lore-discussion

[blissful merlin]

Wait…while we’re kinda on the topic, during capture missions why do they scream in agony as we capture them? Don’t tell me we’re also converting them into some kind of data or something😭

My friend told me all we do is tie them up and send them to extract but that scream they let out as we capture does not tell me we simply “capture” them

[dark compass]

Simaris sanctuary is just metaverse

[stiff fable]

hahaha

Yeah it's his datascape

[dark compass]

Oh yeah

They scream a lot

[stiff fable]

Part of it is that we're capturing these criminals and they don't want to be captured

[fast dew]

I mean if they're screening they probably are at least distressed

[stiff fable]

It's like the bad guy getting nicked on a cop show

[dark compass]

It's just teleporting

[stiff fable]

teleporting into a jail cell

[dark compass]

Or Lotus just makes us digitalize them into hell to extract information

[stiff fable]

hey there's a thought

What does Ordis's datascape look like?

Or is that the Codex?

[dark compass]

A bit cracked

[stiff fable]

Drussus's is the Leverian, Suda's we see a bit of when Hunhow isn't running it

[woven coyote]

Half bones half sunshine and rainbows

Oh and a weird corner filled with all his daily tasks like refueling and cleaning up our pet's "reloads"

[tall echo]

ordis' datascape probably looks similar to suda's. maybe the simulacrum and MR tests are there?

the default simulacrum I mean

[stiff fable]

oh damn that's a good answer

[tall echo]

it's noticably blue unlike anything else simaris has

[stiff fable]

Simaris mentions Ordis has lost a lot of functions

And that he can restore it

[dark compass]

Sometimes you blink and it's an amphitheater covered in blood

Then you blink again and it's nothing

[stiff fable]

Yeah that's my canon now, Simulacrum is (one part of) Ordis's datascape

[woven coyote]

Steve should have given us the waiting ordis miniquest

[blissful merlin]

Teleporting is that painful?😭

[dark compass]

You ever tried?

[tall echo]

it fits the whole thing of ordan breaking through sometimes too, maybe the simulacrum is where ordis shoves him when it happens

[blissful merlin]

No tbf….

[tall echo]

if you don't want to be teleported

[fast dew]

Fun fact, you can scan hunhow when doing the octavia quest

And
Redoing that incident next to suda

You can scan him. He doesn't give anything

[dark compass]

Head empty

Nothing to scan, nothing to give

That's why he's called Huh? How?

[fast dew]

No will to break, no mouth to cry out or whatever the pale king said

[tall echo]

no it's "hun, how?"

[woven coyote]

Cant wait for hunwhen and hunwhat

And most important of all hunwhy

[dark compass]

That's what tau update is for

[lean garden]

but hunwhere will all this be?

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/avengers-infinity-war-why-is-gamora-who-is-gamora-chris-pratt-where-is-gamora-gif-11868187

[mint delta]

this year

[zenith ore]

I didn't know you can see the dragon from duviri roaming around in the void

[clever linden]

So

Um

Where were the other Tenno and syndicates during the Narmer Occupation?

[lean garden]

no idea

[zenith ore]

Having a party on the zariman

[radiant pier]

no idea but the narmer occupation encompassed pretty much the whole system

we can assume they were probably around doing other stuff?

do we even know how long that period was?

[clever linden]

I assume a few years

Little Duck acts like it’s been going on for a while, calling before the new war started “the Tenno days” like it was a bygone era

[humble sierra]

I think there was something that said that because the Operator was stuck in the Void, the other Tenno were put into another comatose state (like the Awakening statues)

[clever linden]

But why would us effect all of them?

Nora claimed we “left without saying goodbye”

[humble sierra]

We made the deal, maybe?

[tall echo]

we made the deal, we're the void power anchor

[clever linden]

It’s a good guess

But still a guess

[lean garden]

Never heard of that, would like a source

[humble sierra]

Me too

I'll see if I can find it

But frankly I'm just getting this from memories of a previous discussion

[humble sierra]

Tangentially related

[lean garden]

REB PLS

[humble sierra]

Yeah no I found nothing official in-game to say what happened to the Tenno

Nor interviews

However since I am Adrian Bott in disguise I can confirm the idea I said is the correct one

[radiant pier]

how old is Varzia

[clever linden]

I found a version of this meme but it’s Epstein and Trump and I’m desperate to find it again

[radiant pier]

she's gotta be thousands of years old right?

[restive river]

She was in cryo for a thousand yes

[tall echo]

unspecified

[radiant pier]

what made her come out of cryo?

[restive river]

We don’t know exact ages of like
Anyone or anything ever

[restive river]

Maroo woke her up

[radiant pier]

did she just have a "defrost after a thousand years" or something

[restive river]

Now they’re in lesbaisn

[radiant pier]

oh, is that stated anywhere? like a quest?

that'd be cool to see

[restive river]

It’s stated by her

Just talk to her over and over again

[tall echo]

bruh

[restive river]

Only sending the wiki cause it has the voicelines https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Varzia/Quotes

[radiant pier]

really? she usually just honry posts about Teshin and Maroo

[tall echo]

joel did you know varzia is the dax from the erra cutscene

[restive river]

"You could live a thousand years and never wake to a face like hers. I slept a thousand and look what I got. What do you think? A career con like her and an old Dax like me?"

[restive river]

She does more than that LOL

[humble sierra]

Maroo thought she was hot, I think is the reason. Varzia was put into Cryo after Erra smashed her head using his signature move

[radiant pier]

yes

[restive river]

Maroo is just a treasure hunter

[radiant pier]

it's why I asked about her age

[restive river]

Maroo is like uh
The
Idr the name
The guy who’s bi cause he never leaves a hole unchecked or whatever

[tall echo]

just had to make sure since you seem to not pay attention to her dialogue
-# this is joke. me is joking.

[radiant pier]

cuz that was hundreds if not a thousand of years ago!

[restive river]

It was thousands

[radiant pier]

okay good to know it's actually thousands

[restive river]

The time between the collapse and the awakening is about a thousand years

[tall echo]

.

[restive river]

Sorry not thousands with an s

[radiant pier]

would've liked to see more architectural evolution or something

[tall echo]

it devolved

[radiant pier]

oh right I forgot

[restive river]

The Erra cutscene’s exact position is during the Old War presumably before the Night of the Naga Drums since they’re about to “win”

[restive river]

We kinda killed the most technologically advanced civilization and left the scraps to do the best they could

While we slept the Grineer and Corpus rebuilt and took over

[humble sierra]

Plot twist she was awake for thousands of years too just asleep for some of it

[radiant pier]

okay evolution was not the right word, I just meant changes between the two eras, didn't really get a feel that they look all too different

[humble sierra]

Tbf that's symbolic, too much infighting for progress

[restive river]

Then Maroo shook her gently and now they go on lil coffee dates

[radiant pier]

would've liked to see more of the old world outside of just the Orokin doing dumb shit

[tall echo]

it's not like we get to see much old architecture outside of orokin stuff

[radiant pier]

she has some really freaky dialogues

I doubt they just do gentle stuff

[humble sierra]

There's a whole Coruscant style city on one of the Corpus planets

[tall echo]

can't really see difference between eras if we only see one era

[restive river]

Good for her after what she went through

She deserves a break

[radiant pier]

aftercare

[tall echo]

[restive river]

The Corpus keep going after Orokin tech for a reason btw lol

[humble sierra]

And that era is kinda two now, after he had the ram head forced onto his dying body

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/ordis-warframe-haha-warframe-ordis-warframe-haha-gif-20500297

[humble sierra]

I'd like to see Orokin Era civilian life

I imagine it's not too far off Duviri, socially

[restive river]

It’s probably very similar to Duviri

[radiant pier]

I do wonder, what if Albrecht didn't freak out over his copy(wally using the form of Albrecht)

could he have caused the indifference to be the way it is?

[mint delta]

I miss vitruvian ordis

[radiant pier]

the first interaction being of rejection?

[mint delta]

I wish we could change our cephalon

[radiant pier]

and getting a door shut on their face

could it have been benevolent should albrecht have reacted differently?

[fast dew]

The first moment Albrecht felt any particularly strong emotion in the void would've formed what wally is, the first emotion was. Fear

[radiant pier]

or would that just be the fastest speedrun of universal destruction

[radiant pier]

we need to beat his ass fr

[fast dew]

We gotta beat albrecht's ass for almost dying and being scared of it 😭

[radiant pier]

yes

[mint delta]

Hell ye

For self defense he has his incarna lex prime anyway

[radiant pier]

how dare you, an orokin scientist of such a degree, face a nigh incomprehensible part of the universe itself, and be scared instead of going "THAT'S COOL AS HELL HELLO WALLY 🙂‍↕️"

[fast dew]

Have empathy, chat

-# its what allows transference to function iirc

[radiant pier]

I'm just wondering what would happen should albrecht have reacted differently

was the indifference just using a point of familiarity to interact with Albrecht?

ik it's not called the indifference at this point, no crimes no great tragedies as of yet

[bold nexus]

can someone explain this shadowgrapher event pls?

[radiant pier]

what if it was someone who viewed the infinite void in complete awe rather than fear

[mint delta]

I want vitruvian ordis back

[clever linden]

They are friendly?

[mint delta]

They are civilians

[radiant pier]

probably

posh pricks tho

[tall echo]

You mean cube ordis
Vitruvian ordis would be like how he is during the sacrifice when you make umbra

[humble sierra]

Gameplay wise or lorewise?

[tall echo]

Zorba wants to copy follie's painting to preserve it
That's it

[mint delta]

I mean the ordis in the sacrifice quest.

[tall echo]

Why do you want that ordis

[humble sierra]

That's not Ordis that's just precepts

[mint delta]

More badass

More serious

[humble sierra]

Devoid of all emotion and personality

[tall echo]

Not really

[mint delta]

Sounds professional to me

[tall echo]

It's just
Wrong

[mint delta]

Morally I suppose.

[humble sierra]

Yeah

Being morally wrong is a bad thing

[tall echo]

Wanting vitruvian ordis is like choosing margulis because heeho pretty woman

[mint delta]

Still , I liked the vitruvian behaviour

[clever linden]

I chose natah because sentients cool to me

[mint delta]

I want the original space mother

[radiant pier]

I guess that's okay too

[clever linden]

As a trans person, I regret my choice

[humble sierra]

Lmao you deadnamed her

[mint delta]

Do trans people adapt like sentients

[clever linden]

Plz don’t remind me

[humble sierra]

Tbf she made the choice, not you

[tall echo]

Went with lotus bc she literally turned into a new form of lotus after killing ballless

[clever linden]

But it doesn’t make sense story wise anyways

Lotus is the natural choice

[radiant pier]

let's just all agree that Margulis is the weirder option amongst the 3

[fast dew]

It is

[mint delta]

4 stages of grief

[clever linden]

I just did natah thinking “ooh cool sentient”

[humble sierra]

You could view it as a "Lotus was a mask to try and separate my identity and my purpose, but the truth is Natah loved the Tenno"

[tall echo]

Ngl the entire choice feels as forced as the existence of the triad

[fast dew]

Eh, it felt more natural than them

[clever linden]

Natah was forced back into her by Ballas and Erra, so it feels wrong to me

[fast dew]

Least the other folk existed prior

[radiant pier]

....I understand the reasoning if it was like, carrying what her goal was, but look me in the eyes and tell me

[tall echo]

turns into a whole new version of lotus
"Ok time to abandon that form INSTANTLY :D"

[radiant pier]

that atleast 80% of the people who chose the Margulis option aren't just gooners

[tall echo]

Are*

Misread

[fast dew]

Nah i think aren't makes sense

[radiant pier]

look me in the eyes and tell me that atleast 80% of the people who chose the Margulis option aren't just gooners

[radiant pier]

probs just didn't see the other message, but that's my bad for not making it one whole message

[tall echo]

The break made me misread

[mint delta]

Who's gooning to margulis

[humble sierra]

Yeah ultimately the Lotus is the best choice, and DE basically canonized it when they made it so that Natah and Margulis skins don't even work in the Old Peace

[radiant pier]

yep no worries, my bad

[strange turtle]

To us it’s the natural choice (and yeah realistically it is just, the best one, it’s kinda dumb tbh)

but to Natargulotus she has to make this big decision that’ll define her methods to respond to coming issues, before we found out about Wally being an even bigger threat than we though and his weakness being love

[fast dew]

A lot of peoole

[humble sierra]

Ballas

[narrow pendant]

wouldnt that be 90% of any heirloom skin owner to begin with

[clever linden]

Yeah that confused me, I thought in the trailer she’d change based on your choices

[mint delta]

Obviously

[mint delta]

Does it include or exclude you

[radiant pier]

well yeah but why would you let your gooning get in the way of someone's identity

[fast dew]

Exclude me, I don't feel attraction particularly often lmao

[strange turtle]

Like, even back then Lotus was the obvious choice, but to someone whose going through that choice in real time it’d be way more difficult

[mint delta]

Good point

[humble sierra]

Must've been a time restraint with the cutscenes and figuring out how they work with Natah's large model and animations , because I doubt it's intentional

[radiant pier]

goon responsibly.

[fast dew]

Goon ethically

[mint delta]

Don't goon , have someone do it for u

[dark compass]

What did I come back to

[tall echo]

Because the gooners conveniently also don't care about that

[fast dew]

I do not know

[narrow pendant]

i dont even understand why margulis specifically when lotus already has her features?

[strange turtle]

I think this is like, their Uncle Ben moment for gooning

[radiant pier]

w goons, ethical goons

[radiant pier]

goon enlightenment

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn eyes

[tall echo]

Helmet

[dark compass]

Uhh

[clever linden]

If so, I want an update later to add the different models

Cus she actually has different dialogue depending on what you choose…so why go half way?

[dark compass]

With great gooning comes great responsibility

Or something

[mint delta]

Did ballas remove margulis eyeballs or wut

[radiant pier]

great goonability

[fast dew]

A tenno [maybe rell] did

[radiant pier]

funny you should say that

[dark compass]

I'm going to cry

[fast dew]

Blasted it with void

[mint delta]

O it was rell

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/kitten-cute-cat-pet-small-gif-9791329512534104666

[dark compass]

It was me

[tall echo]

Probably rell

[dark compass]

I sneezed and blasted her in the face

[mint delta]

Could say that's a feat for margulis

That shi should've blown her head up

[humble sierra]

Eyeless Margulis model didn't exist at the time

They made the eye-having one for the Ballas hallucination, and he viewed her that way because that was when she loved him and not the Tenno

Lorewise I guess Lotahgulis thought she'd rather have eyes than not having eyes

[radiant pier]

dawg why do you keep changing her mangled name lmfao wasn't it natargulotus earlier

[tall echo]

Barry?

[strange turtle]

Varzia watching her fellow Dax, armoured with future alloys and powerful shields get torn in half by a kid
Meanwhile some random psychology nerd:

[radiant pier]

would you consider me getting run over by a car and surviving half dead a feat

[mint delta]

Varzia has all the good stuff like my goodness , she might Aswell be the biggest orokin gear hoarder ever

[radiant pier]

power scaling terms are funny as hell sometimes

[mint delta]

At a certain speed yea.

[fast dew]

Tbh the void has a weird habit of going for the eye area

[radiant pier]

ESPECIALLY in non-power-scaling conversations

[mint delta]

Eyes are the windows to the soul

[dark compass]

Who needs eyes when the path is clear and you know the truth

[mint delta]

And what connects the outside to the brain

[tall echo]

Ok but margulis wasn't really the void's decision

[humble sierra]

Natlomarguahtuslis

[mint delta]

The path is actually steel

[radiant pier]

you know what else is steel

[mint delta]

Deez nuts

[tall echo]

Nah

[radiant pier]

I was gonna say the meridian

[mint delta]

Oh , good one lol

[mint delta]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-head-gakuen-babysitters-kotarou-anime-cute-gif-17907437

[radiant pier]

I survived a car going at a speed that destroyed a fire hydrant so therefore me > fire hydrant

[mint delta]

Durability wise , probably

[tall echo]

Can't be sure until you 1v1 a fire hydrant

[radiant pier]

but powerscaling deems me more powerful

[mint delta]

What if the fire hydrant has plot armour

[radiant pier]

here comes the plot armor nerds

[pale cedar]

When a fire hydrant has plot armour you simply outplotarmour it

[eternal gazelle]

Void vs anti-spiral, who'd win, or would they join sides

[strange turtle]

The Essence

[eternal gazelle]

Or was that already done

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/kizaru-borsalino-admiral-marines-shades-gif-10682292755083267442

[radiant pier]

down-d-stairs is by far the funniest thing I heard from one piece twitter

[mint delta]

Real

[strange turtle]

Definitely against eachother

The Anti-Spiral want to stop the Spiral Nemesis thing

Wally is worse than it

[mint delta]

Oops they aren't playable.

[tall echo]

Bruh

[mint delta]

Breh
https://warframe.fandom.com/wiki/Ordis/Quotes

[tall echo]

Ew fandom

[mint delta]

Just listen to the voice lines.

[tall echo]

I know what they sound like it's not ordis

[mint delta]

Would be nice if we had him yap throughout mission whenever we interacted with something

" Star child , good job taking down the target"

[tall echo]

Too much personality

[mint delta]

" Star Child , Hack the console using your parazon "

It would be awesome.

[tall echo]

It would be grating, disgusting, and rather inhumane

[mint delta]

I fw it

[tall echo]

Forcibly removing the entire SELF of ordis for the sake of what. Style?

[mint delta]

" Star Child , the angel is waking up be cautious"

[tall echo]

Just cease

[mint delta]

Ordis is a defective cephalon with a rebellious personality and subtle memories of his previous life ordan kharris

[devout fractal]

ITS A NEW DAY IN THE WARFRAME DISCORD.

atleast for me HOWEVER

A new day means a new mission , and I have three sitting here in front of me- that being the Whisper in the Walls, Angels of Zariman, and Jade Shadows

So- for silly reasons, could yall choose what mission I do - cause I genuinely don’t onowwheee to go from here

[strange turtle]

I’d do Angels first

Then do the Syndicate, follow up with Whispers and it’s syndicate

JS can be done whenever tbh

[fast dew]

As i mentioned, rank up the entrati family and necraloid before you touch whispers, it helps give context lol

[devout fractal]

I seeeeeee okay! First I should work on my frame and stuff I am WEAK

AND I ONLY HAVE 20 Endo.

I MUST BE STROOOBG

[strange turtle]

Dw endo is really easy to get more of

[devout fractal]

I don’t think I’ve ever had more than 5k before spending it all on upgrades

[celest needle]

its simply a matter of wasting time scrapping your unused mods and maybe doing Arbitrations for sculptures

or Maroo's every week

[glacial narwhal]

Is there a lore for relics like lith era, meso era, or neo era? Does like lith era relics are more older than meso era or sum?

[drowsy saddle]

Paleolithic Age
Mesolithic Age
Neolithic Age
Axial Age

Just a reference, no info on how it corrolates to actual in game time periods

[rigid compass]

W

[rigid compass]

Probably Paleolithic the 2nd

Orokin just stole it for their own ages

Though that wouldnt make sense with how the primes are in all ages so ig not

[queen shale]

My headcanon is that the lith relics are the newest in the timeline. Over time the aesthetic appearance of the relics degraded after the orokin died off

[tall echo]

They're all orokin void relics tho

[queen shale]

Thats why its a headcanon

[devout fractal]

Doing jade shadows :))))

Can’t wait for happy moments and joy

[celest needle]

It’s a pretty short quest

[devout fractal]

A short and happy quest :D?

[celest needle]

Green quest

🟩

[mint delta]

Very joyful

[mint delta]

Totally, Warframe is the game of fun and happiness

[devout fractal]

I can’t wait for sunshine and rainbows

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/flower-cat-dance-orange-vibe-gif-24887596

[ocean geyser]

Something like that

[fast dew]

Not my screenie but

Reminder that albrecht has cars in his labs :]

Something is wrong about that man

[jolly root]

Hes a bit autistic?

I dont know

[devout fractal]

NOOO THE PRETTY WARFRAME FADED AW-

Is that a whole baby

[fast dew]

LMAO

[devout fractal]

What what is going on why does he have a baby

[smoky gulch]

Without Warframe mobility? Yeah, cars might be useful in laboratories

[fast dew]

The warframe died to give birth to her baby :)

[devout fractal]

NOOO :( WELL YAY? WHAT DOES RHIS MEAN

[fast dew]

You can rebuild her! But yeah. Jade. She and Stalker were punished for being in a relationship with each other. Said punishment was. Being turned into a warframe

[devout fractal]

AWE :(

So uh how’d the uh- baby happen?

[ocean geyser]

It happened when they both weren’t warframes

[pallid spoke]

Jade was pregnant before being turned into a frame.

[devout fractal]

Ohhhhh

[radiant pier]

wait we deadass bring our railjack for kahl?

[ocean geyser]

Mf baby powered the jade light

[zenith ore]

Thomas Thomas are you here

[ocean geyser]

“Grineer, on your six”

[tall echo]

Of course

[radiant pier]

isn't Ordis supposed to be in the camp too

[tall echo]

An orbiter couldn't contain such power

[tall echo]

I think thomas might actually be sleeping for once

[pallid spoke]

I mean, why not bring in the crewship when Daughter calls you saying she needs an entire squad of defectors extracted.

[zenith ore]

What a rare sight

[pallid spoke]

And yes. This does canonically mean that Stalker is confirmed to have gotten busy.

[radiant pier]

oh I'm not complaining that we brought our railjack

I just think it's both cool AND hilarious how to most people, they just see this....normal Grineer soldier

[tall echo]

Nah it's just for kahl, we just hijack and deliver a seperate ship for the others

[zenith ore]

Aight since you're here. I didn't know you can see the dragon from duviri outside duviri. Hell I didn't know he can roam freely in the void, is that a thing?

[fast dew]

Unfortunately

[radiant pier]

and then you just see a tenno personally chaperoning the guy

[zenith ore]

Prediction

[tall echo]

Why are you

[fast dew]

No, just eating Maccas

[radiant pier]

go to bed

it's 2 am dude

[fast dew]

Can't, I also have a school assignment to finish

[tall echo]

Still throws me off that australia and germany have a similar name for mcd's

[fast dew]

Cuz. College is suddenly beating my ass

[zenith ore]

Yet you are here talking

[pallid spoke]

IIRC the others with Kahl just got teleported into the Railjack using whatever the recall works off of. Kahl was the only one that had to get in the manual way.

[zenith ore]

Anyone wanna answer

[fast dew]

Im eating dinner

[fast dew]

Oh yeah that too

[tall echo]

I was making a joke

[fast dew]

They can just do that

[zenith ore]

That's so cool

[tall echo]

It's an outdated teaser

[zenith ore]

Still cool

[tall echo]

From way back when there was only one wyrm

[fast dew]

Dinner with. A chai latte cuz thats

Fun

[tall echo]

It was called lodunn

[fast dew]

Lodun split..

[zenith ore]

Dinner WITH Chai? How did you make this up

[fast dew]

I like Lodun, go my angry homie

[radiant pier]

I have an excuse to be awake

[tall echo]

Lodun somehow being the second most reasonable of the courtiers is wild

[fast dew]

I unfortunately hate most McDonald's soft drinks and their hot drinks are. Superior than other places open this late

[zenith ore]

Profening it

[fast dew]

He just gets a lil emotional

And. I don't think ive done a fear cycle in yonks

Forgot how Sythel acts

[zenith ore]

I mean, juice

[tall echo]

One is insane, one is paranoid, one is just a cruel mr bombastic, one is depressed and one is just very rightfully angry

[fast dew]

They only have orange juice and it still has the pulp, and it gets stuck in my braces :[

[zenith ore]

What was the drifter even thinking

[radiant pier]

u be profen?

[tall echo]

Nothing

[fast dew]

Nah, these are Albrecht originals™

[zenith ore]

The TM was necessary btw

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

-# Albrecht made the characters for Euleria, who wrote them into the guys in duviri

[zenith ore]

I can just go make my own one at home

[fast dew]

I. Need to get apples in the shopping, thanks for reminding me actually

[zenith ore]

Anytime

[zenith ore]

Wait what

[fast dew]

Yeah, Albrecht told Euleria childhood stories, around them. He recognises them when he is in duviri

[radiant pier]

how did we remind you of apples

[zenith ore]

Magic

[zenith ore]

That's why everyone knows of duviri in 1999

Isn't albrecht in duviri rn anyway

[devout fractal]

Time to stay in Brutus until I die

[fast dew]

"In Duviri, I woke every day to the voice of my daughter. I recoiled from this at first, feeling the sting of conscience. I could not confront, even in semblance, the woman I had abandoned. Instead I reinvented myself as a teacher, advising the child-King of the menace beyond his borders.
But as the days melted away, I came to recognize the strange cast of characters Euleria had created, and their purpose. I heard voices I had myself first conjured in the darkness of her childhood chambers, for no other reward than her delight. She had not only preserved this gift I had thought so trivial, she had made it an instrument of healing. More, a stronghold."

[zenith ore]

The grind is required

[radiant pier]

for what?

[fast dew]

I wish you a very lucky grind

[fast dew]

Jade, that's her node

[radiant pier]

oh

[zenith ore]

Man do I really need to read everything in the wiki just to know the lore

[fast dew]

Nah, these come from Albrecht's notes, which you can find after killing a book in the labs

[pale cedar]

What’s wrong with reading?

[fast dew]

You can listen to Albrecht's objectively handsome voice

[radiant pier]

let me guess

[fast dew]

So. Thats great

[zenith ore]

I love writing and reading. But not from the phone

[dark compass]

Besides

[ionic moss]

Hi everyone, Daily reminder that you need to apply eternalism to lore.

[radiant pier]

you are enamored by the metal man from re7

[dark compass]

It's lore, not the immediate narrative and story

It's definitely not designed to be read by everyone

[pale cedar]

Daily reminder you don’t

[celest needle]

How powerful is the average Grineer marine compared to the average person?

[ionic moss]

Haha @pale cedar

[fast dew]

Who?

Unfortunately i do not play RE in general lol

[dark compass]

I can take a grineer marine

[radiant pier]

the guy who calls us a boulder punching asshole

[fast dew]

Adam smasher though.

[radiant pier]

wait I think it's the same va

[zenith ore]

I wrote a book about a little kid with a dragon that's made out of fire once. Sadly the fire consumed the book and everything innt... Never got to finish it. It was around 78 pages or something

[dark compass]

No

[zenith ore]

No💔

[ionic moss]

Aldelbretkct sounds like a smoker

[dark compass]

So called Metal man is voiced by Neil Newbon. Also known as Astarion and Fish-o-nacci

And Victor

[pale cedar]

Grineer aren’t actually strong on their own it’s their numbers that will get you though

[fast dew]

His throat got obliterated by the void and or seriglass lol

[zenith ore]

I'd rather listen to vay hek

[fast dew]

He sounds like that because his throat was screwed

[radiant pier]

OH WHAT

[fast dew]

I gotta get some of Albrecht's VA's audiobooks

[dark compass]

Mhm

Neil Newbon voices him

[fast dew]

The. Ones of questionable content maybe

[dark compass]

I double checked

[fast dew]

fish
green nazi
vampire twink

Truly a man of skill

[ionic moss]

Do you think albretch went to a concert and sang so much that his voice got distorted

[pale cedar]

No

[fast dew]

Imagine him screaming to onlyne

[ionic moss]

Maybe Albretch went to a temple concert

[zenith ore]

Really? Damn that so cool! But wdym by the fire consumed it?

[dark compass]

And a german hobo

[fast dew]

I relate to this on a deeply emotional level

[ionic moss]

Haha

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

God Neil looks like a mix between astarion and viktor

[ionic moss]

Viktarion

Astartor

[pale cedar]

Better question
How wasn’t Albrecht infected himself when he’s been in 1999 for 1000 years

[zenith ore]

Infected by what

[dark compass]

@radiant pier

[radiant pier]

no to space aids says Albrecht

thanks nuke

[ionic moss]

Maybe The infestation isnt immune to void speak and that it directly shuts down the hiveminds

[dark compass]

I think it was his first big role

[devout fractal]

Fun fact this is my first Grind for something I usually just decide not to work too hard for anything. But I realllly want jade- her story makes me happyyyy

[zenith ore]

I'd rather not use a ||pregnant woman|| as a killing machine but she's good

[devout fractal]

OKAY WHEN YOU SAY IT LIKE THAT-

[zenith ore]

I'm SORRY I can't help it

[fast dew]

Better question, how was loid not obliterated by the grey strain?

[ionic moss]

Do you think void speak is the key to kill the hiveminds

"Wherever they are"

[pale cedar]

Nah

[ionic moss]

How come?

[radiant pier]

woah wait the rhino stomp messing with time thing is just straight in the base game?

[pale cedar]

They just got PTSD from Wally last time he went

[fast dew]

Did you ever play yareli?

Did you know yareli was gonna be a skin suit for an orokin [a yuvan], and is highly likely she's a child :)

[ionic moss]

I think this void speak would make sense lore wise against the infestation

[devout fractal]

Dear GOD D:

[zenith ore]

Or a teenager, but that's sad to know

[pale cedar]

A teenager is a child

[fast dew]

Voidtongue? Voidtongue itself targets void related things.

And. Sisters for some reason, no clue if they're related and I just missed it

[radiant pier]

fr same

[ionic moss]

Well you see VoidSpeak probably has the power to stop/pause timelines entirely

[radiant pier]

I know she's good, I know she's an amazing support, and I know she's got a build where she deletes a direction by looking at it

[ionic moss]

Even the infestation

[radiant pier]

but like also no

[pale cedar]

Might be due to Parvos void connection but DE gave us no lore on it

[fast dew]

Say you have a neutral opinion on the entrati family

Did you know they also did that? Using a child as a skinsuit to prolong their life? Son did, at the very least.

[devout fractal]

:((((( vile

[zenith ore]

But knowing what she's been through. I'd rather not use her and let her rest. I take games and stories very seriously btw

[fast dew]

She's great and easy enough to build

[ionic moss]

Albretch just happens to be like the dragonborn in skyrim he has the voice and thuum

[zenith ore]

My birthday is tomorrow. I expect a happy birthday 🤓

[fast dew]

They do condemn it, at the very least. The lost patriarch actually stopped taking kuva and partaking in that, but. For the wrong reason.

This is why im trying to get you to rank up the entrati and necraloid. You get to learn a bit about that man, about the man in the wall.

[ionic moss]

You ever been to the void district?

[fast dew]

Delightful

[zenith ore]

What day is it rn?

[radiant pier]

Thomas do you happen to like ramattra from overwatch

[ionic moss]

Lol 😆

[fast dew]

Tuesday for me, the 21st

[fast dew]

I have never played overwatch and I do not ever intend to

[zenith ore]

Technically it's my birthday in wherever you are

[fast dew]

Ah, well happy birthday
-# im in Australia

[zenith ore]

Thanks!

Can someone reply to scarlet I feel bad af

[fast dew]

I wish, but also.

No thanks i like my eyes

[devout fractal]

Got itttt

[ionic moss]

Alright well i'll go speculate with a wall, hopefully wally engages in a conversation with me and listens to my perspective. Wish me luck!

[fast dew]

You.. are aware of who the man in the wall is, right?

[devout fractal]

The uh… “hey kiddo.” Guy?

[zenith ore]

Yep

[drowsy saddle]

I'm...
The man
In the
BOX

BO-BO-BOX

[radiant pier]

the "your entire universe is at stake from my mere existence" being

[drowsy saddle]

Buried...
In my

SHIEET

[pale cedar]

I wonder how long it will take to find another Wally supporter

[fast dew]

I hope some time soon

[zenith ore]

Hi

[fast dew]

I like pointing out how evil he is

[zenith ore]

Ah shi

Wrong person

[pale cedar]

I managed to make a person rage quit from community server when they started an argument that Ballas made a deal with Wally

[fast dew]

[zenith ore]

I feel stupid thinking of it...

[pale cedar]

There was just nothing to work with to prove it happened and they couldn’t accept that fact

[worn cypress]

helloiw

is there more 1999 lore when u finish the standing

[pale cedar]

Kim chats

[zenith ore]

What do u wanna know

[worn cypress]

idk just generaly or to know more about it

[zenith ore]

There are the chats just like nemesis said and there's the wiki. In order to speak to them more (proto frames) you have to level up their syndicate or whatever it's called

[zenith ore]

Idk if you know this but you can get in a relationship with one of them. Idk if I should be telling you this... Just a heads up.

[worn cypress]

🗿

like why and how did they think of this

[zenith ore]

Hey cmon it's cool. You'll get it later

[strange turtle]

There’s multiple but yeah, they just do that sometimes for, whatever reason

[zenith ore]

Just for the fun of it

Or cuz they can

[worn cypress]

nuh

[zenith ore]

Aight whatever you want

[worn cypress]

https://tenor.com/view/wrathion-world-of-warcraft-kalethion-angellity-el-wiwi-gif-15900304908730572256

[bold nexus]

More lorewise, doubt Imma play this event cuz no time and doesn't seem very interesting nor rewards seem worth the hassle

[twin wigeon]

Lorewise nothing

It’s just zorba piecing together follies painting using nightmare tatters

The rewards are kinda nice, im liking the ephemeras and the diadem

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-go-my-scarab-gulphagor-warframe-gif-4880873392325418247

[zenith ore]

https://media0.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPWJmY2Q2MDNiZXBzbzl3cWFpcnNoZWhyY2t4MjNudGszcDBxeXk4YWNya3J2ZzB5cyZlcD12MV9naWZzJmN0PWc/FYwzWJBdtqKlem9OZy/200w.gif

[worn cypress]

aa

[zenith ore]

He saw one of the proto frames

[worn cypress]

🧐

[twin wigeon]

Likely Eleanor or Marie

[radiant pier]

KAYA IS HEREEREE

[zenith ore]

Lmao

[radiant pier]

KAYAAAAAA MY BABY MY KIDDO WELCOME TO THE FUTUREEEEEE

[zenith ore]

Who

[radiant pier]

@fast dew she is in the Larunda Relay

[twin wigeon]

She would throw an antimatter drop in your direction if you said that to her

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-satoru-gif-949319236308169219

[zenith ore]

Who th is Alice? A cheap version of stalker?

[radiant pier]

doesn't matter!

[ionic moss]

Kayas not in Laruna Relay

I just came back from there

[glacial bough]

That would mean you're not done with Kaya or you got the less ideal ending for her

[ionic moss]

Nah im done with everything ahe used to be there but shes gone now

She*

I think thats because according to Eternalism shes there and not at the same time

So it would make sense that she isn't there

[tall echo]

Still not how it works

[ionic moss]

Right... Anyways what was i saying?

Oh yeah Eternalism and Causality

If there isn't Causality to begin with there wouldn't be an Eternalism sequence to begin with

[tall echo]

Correct..?

[ionic moss]

Yes and No. Since we do not know much about the initial Causality.

There is this the possibility that Eternalism itself made the Causality

[tall echo]

Actual eternalism is "there is no past or future, only now" which would mean there's no causal processes, just a constant now

[ionic moss]

Thats presentism not Eternalism

[tall echo]

And then along came DE and half misused the term

[tall echo]

No presentism is the normal theory of time

[ionic moss]

Presentism is excluding the past and future as you so brilliantly stated

Are your precepts outdated Cephalon?

bonks head

[tall echo]

Wow the zariman lecture was crap, I'm not even gonna bother screenshotting that mess to send

[woven coyote]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786650808321048596/1494812330616422561/IMG_1852.png?ex=69e743b7&is=69e5f237&hm=60ab1e8af4988f0caca8953d7fb799927eb3c686950856339bb93f9c2a954fd8&

[dark compass]

Lore...

[dark compass]

Sorry I ate her

[fleet furnace]

i love how that screenshot gets posted anytime eternalism comes up

[dark compass]

Roathe's plant had to die to prove a point

[woven coyote]

Well when people talk eternalism there's bound to be people who treat it as "oh but it's eternalism everything can happen" and that screenshot is perfect for being the game making fun of people like that

[twin wigeon]

can we make it a gif

[pale cedar]

If we did the Eternalism folk won’t be happy

[twin wigeon]

darn

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1354611567689203894/1495851343544455459/togif.gif

big eternalism is NOT coming back from this one

[twin wigeon]

hmm i wonder whats wally's original form

bc the name "Man in the Wall" originated from Rell didn't it?

[vale vapor]

No it didnt

[fast dew]

Release wise yeah but Albrecht coins it first, kinda

Or. Independently from Rell

"That man, trapped in the wall."

[twin wigeon]

Ahh

so he's the reason why his body looks like that most the time?

with other times being like doppelgangers of us?

[fast dew]

That was in the requiem log, which doesn't predate the zariman, but. It was formed independently of Rell, and vice versa

[restive river]

The first form Wally took was Albrecht’s, Albrecht called him wallboy, Zariman happens, Rell also calls him wallboy

[twin wigeon]

oh

[restive river]

Albrecht’s nickname and thus perception of Wally may have influenced what Wally’s form was when he messed with the Zariman, thus Rell also saying the nickname

Basically like that uh
Herobrine meme

“You were supposed to be the hero, brian”

[twin wigeon]

[restive river]

“That man trapped in that wall”
“Hm, I think I like that name”

[fast dew]

Its just interesting that rell caught the same name through wally. Appearing as the wall i guess

[restive river]

They did crash into something

[fast dew]

The wall

[restive river]

Idr if it was stated, though iirc some things make it sound like they crashed into themselves

Idk how that works considering the split came later

[fast dew]

That. Would be fun to figure out

[restive river]

Unless the split was the moment the ship entered the void…

Like
Instead of the deal

The deal makes more sense though

[fast dew]

Two zarimans entering at once

Given the void is the goop between timelines

[restive river]

Yeah true, due to the deal they get split and due to void weirdness they then crash into themselves

[clever linden]

Except they can knock you to your feet by pushing the ground or hitting you with a slab of metal, as individuals

[restive river]

Wouldn’t that mean we inadvertently caused the crash which caused us to make the deal which caused the crash

Maybe Wally works off paradoxes???

[fast dew]

He might get something out of it??

[restive river]

He def gets something out of it

Both his deals relate to eternalism, to collapsing the possibilities

[ocean geyser]

Eternaln’tism

[rigid compass]

Then wally said its eternalismin time and eternaled all over the origin system. Then albrecht said tau is in sight and went to go eternal over there

[main arch]

So.

I have a bit of a theory about Uriel. I think we might just know the exact number of soldiers Roathe had under him.

The total sum is 880.

[woven coyote]

I mean it is a nice theory but really isnt a whole lot to go on

[main arch]

Cause of the laudavi.

Which were basically medals to distinct soldiers.

[woven coyote]

Yeah but the ammount really doesnt mean anything

It is just the ammount DE figured wouldnt be too much

[main arch]

Ik. Still.

Nothing nuanced I just kinda thought about it on the spot.

[woven coyote]

Again nice idea, but really doesnt have much to support it

Totally get where you are coming from

[pale cedar]

I think DE just picked a random number like with any other resource

Also don’t think resources are even canon

[woven coyote]

Well some kinda make sense like oxium on zephyr

But in general i think they are just that, nods to a warframe's theme

[pale cedar]

Some make sense then there’s others that are just extremely random

[ocean geyser]

painful information
people on reddit think the Tau side of the Solar Rail was destroyed

[woven coyote]

Techbically possible but we only know of the origin side

Like after hunhow broke the origin side anything could have happened in tau

And we would be none the wiser

[ocean geyser]

I find this bothersome for some reason

then again
it's reddit

[woven coyote]

Yup

[pale cedar]

Reddit is full of clowns who know nothing about lore

A bit ago there was someone convinced Rell wasn’t dead because the Mall has rap tap tap and because Void does Void things

[woven coyote]

Reddit is full of clowns who know nothing.

[restive river]

Reddit is full of clowns.

[ionic moss]

@pale cedar An eternalism gif? Where do i sign up?

[twin wigeon]

Told you so Nem

[clever linden]

Reddit is full

[rose estuary]

Reddit is

[pale cedar]

Reddit

[strange turtle]

_ _

<@&778745217037238293>

Multiple channels

[regal ingot]

I had a random theory but yall got to keep an open mind for it.

Nidus and Xaku aren't "Real Frames" but facsimile of frames and are actually the "end" of frames. Like the list of war frames Nidus and Xaku are the end of the list. (Yes I know they're in game but the warframe in game list aren't numbered) so after everything is said and done when nothing else exists. You have an unpiloted Xaku and Nidus who are still fighting the murmer and Infested. (Again this is a theory please don't be too rude.)

[woven coyote]

Sorry to say i dont think there is anything to support that theory

Both of them were made during the empire
Xaku is remembered by grandma and nidus has the prime trailer line about ballas experiment that resulted in that

They are very much products of the empire

[restive river]

We also know how Xaku happened, during the Entrati void expeditions many were lost, Xaku is what came back, three as one

[rigid compass]

How many frames do yall think there are in total

[pale cedar]

As many as DE release

[restive river]

Like lost in the expeditions or frames in total

[rigid compass]

Total unique frames ever made

[restive river]

Unknown

[pale cedar]

It’ll be however many DE release

[rigid compass]

[restive river]

Type of unknown that just is unknown

[restive river]

Because this

[rigid compass]

I think its probably around a thousand

Or however many tenno there are

[restive river]

Could just be 100

[pale cedar]

We don’t even know how many Tenno there are

[rigid compass]

Enough so every operator gets their own unique frame

[rigid compass]

I mean the zariman prob brought back a few hundred to low 1000

[restive river]

The frames weren’t made for the tenno

Not all of them anyway

[pale cedar]

We still haven’t got an actual number

[restive river]

There were untold frames lost in the expeditions iirc

So there are just frames we will never mnow about

[rigid compass]

DE when it comes to giving lore vs adding dating 😭 ✌️

[smoky gulch]

Ivara Leverian says "yeah, 2 got instakilled in battle, so they were just erased from records"

[rigid compass]

Until they say nah

Lets add em

[ashen pulsar]

not likely

[restive river]

Thats not a lore thing lol, being ambigious is perfectly fine

[restive river]

Depends how lost to the void they are

[smoky gulch]

Ambiguity allows creatives to do whatever they want at any point

[rigid compass]

I thought it was 3

[smoky gulch]

Rather than writing themselves into corner

[rigid compass]

All that ambiguity just to add time travel

[pale cedar]

Time travel that didn’t answer said ambiguity

[smoky gulch]

Three warframes faced Myrmidon, with Ivara being sole survivor

[rigid compass]

Not my point

[rose estuary]

Ik it’ll never happen probably but I hope we get the warframes xaku is made of as separate frames

[pale cedar]

We won’t because they’re lost frames

This isn’t Lost and Frame

[cold star]

Fortuna spoilers
||Can someone please explain to me why their heads are in their body cavity. Did they like.. buy back their heads or something? I get that some body parts were claimed as part of their debt but why is their head not on their shoulders?||

[rigid compass]

Orb vallis is too cold to have exposed flesh

[rigid compass]

Expand lore or add dating

[pale cedar]

For the same reason you’d wear a hard hat on a construction site

[cold star]

many of them have their arms exposed, though

[cold star]

I guess this makes sense, but still, damn.

[smoky gulch]

The thing that confuses me most is... they speak through throats (voices lose crispy filter), so how does the air intake work? Do their lungs and throats have separate inputs, or are they connected?

[cold star]

i'm assuming they don't even have internal organs, considering their brain box is taking up their entire body cavity

[smoky gulch]

Right, then how is air processing achieved for their still organic parts

[rigid compass]

Idk man same way some boys wear shorts in the winter

[smoky gulch]

I love nitpicking practicalities of what is clearly symbolism of their captivity

[rigid compass]

I hate humanities and arts bro I am not looking into the meaning of things unless they are extremely obvious

And things still need an explanation

[smoky gulch]

It all becomes way easier to process, artsies and humanities, if you consider them a particularly flowery language of reused thoughts describing actual meaning beneath

Like a cant between particularly creative thieves

[ocean geyser]

it's definitely got some sort of air pump or AC considering they dont get cold in there

[twin wigeon]

Vallis is actually pretty warm and fortuna is also pretty hot

Bc aren’t they pumping coolant in to the ground thus making making Venus naturally hot

And if fortuna has a channel of expended coolant running through it then the coolant must be hot

Or lukewarm

[rigid compass]

Son never in my life will I ever consider looking into meanings of things

[twin wigeon]

You already have

Definitions are the meaning of things

[ocean geyser]

He says, again, in the chat where you look into the meaning of things

Why are you even here 😭

[rigid compass]

https://tenor.com/view/an-iq-too-high-raven-crow-tiktok-gif-3869671553367641450

[rigid compass]

Ngl I forget he looks like that cause I use solstice chest plate to cover that part of his chest cause it dont look good

[rigid compass]

Good question. Idek cause I hate talking to half of yall here cause I dont know if yall making up ur own head canons or if you actually read every lore piece or just regurgitate wtv ur lore youtubers say

[lean garden]

You must like doing this to yourself

[stiff fable]

most of us hate loretubers on general principle

the principle being "they don't agree with me" ofc

[ashen pulsar]

mhm

[ashen pulsar]

the coolant is to create thermia, I believe

[stiff fable]

Okay derranged theory time

[ashen pulsar]

and close thermal fractures

[stiff fable]

The Archons in The New War are looking for Natah's body to resurrect it

[ashen pulsar]

your reason?

[stiff fable]

Oh they say so

Or, Hunhow says so during your tete-a-tete

[ashen pulsar]

oh yeah they do

he does*

"No. She only lingers... and without her kind, not for long. Their search for her remains has long since begun. The Shadow can dispatch you swiftly. A mercy. The Archons will not..."

"The same as you... to raise the dead. Only they have the power to do it... unlike you."

why is it a deranged theory then

[radiant pier]

are there any non-orokin made primes

I'm talking "who in the HELL are you and WHERE did you come from"

[rigid compass]

I think lavos is
Ive heard he primed himself so thats non orokin

Uriel prime too

He just appeared somehow i think

Someone whos read all roathe dialogue would know

[radiant pier]

anything....cooler? I've heard the Lavos thing a lot already

[rigid compass]

Revenant just is

[radiant pier]

Uriel's too new for me to guess anything lmao

[rigid compass]

Thats it he just is

[woven coyote]

lavos and revenant basically

[radiant pier]

what of Revenant?

[stiff fable]

Got distracted by someone talking to me

[radiant pier]

he's what?

[rigid compass]

They dont know how he got primed he just appeared from the void or something

[stiff fable]

The derranged theory is that Narmer has succeeded

[woven coyote]

well ballas literally calls revenant prime a "fatherless aberration" or something in the prime trailer

[radiant pier]

wdym he just appeared

[celest needle]

What about Kahl!

[woven coyote]

yup he literally just appeared to the point even ballas was wtf

[stiff fable]

What if Narmer's new leadership is a Archon-revived Natah

[rigid compass]

??????

[stiff fable]

Someone put Pazuul into Erra's body

Sentients are a bit funny

They can divide, right?

[rigid compass]

Yeah but ur saying archon natah?

Like archon erra

[stiff fable]

Not directly, no

[ashen pulsar]

meh

we dont really know

[stiff fable]

But we regrew the Lotus from the hand

But the rest of her body was never found by us

[rigid compass]

Does drifter have the hand post duviri

[stiff fable]

The deranged theory is that Narmer actually found it, and used archon shards to revive it as brainwashed Natah

[ashen pulsar]

it's just the archons

[stiff fable]

Yes! That's what's in the chair

During the New War

[rigid compass]

Idk man how would we grow natah though maybe he found her body guided by the hand

[stiff fable]

The one solid part of her is her hand

[ashen pulsar]

okay?

[stiff fable]

No no that's just it, the rest of her body is an outline, just a projection trying to exist

[ashen pulsar]

it's just an eidolon

[stiff fable]

The hand is physical

[rigid compass]

Wasn't the rest of her body already like that when she was thrown in

[woven coyote]

nope

[stiff fable]

Nowhere near that bad

[rigid compass]

Also the sentients Def didnt enter the void

No wait they could

But unlikely

[rigid compass]

Pic of her when she gets stabbed

[ashen pulsar]

since when could we grow sentients like that

[stiff fable]

The Ropapolyst dialogue has a lot of implications I hadn't noticed

[woven coyote]

was already on it lol

[stiff fable]

This is Natah's body but dried up

[rigid compass]

Ight yeah its different but still could be some weird thing like the rest of her body was decaying

[stiff fable]

Not an energy projection

Until you feed her the first shard she's just the hand

[rigid compass]

By just the hand u mean solid right

[stiff fable]

Yeah

The rest of her is being projected by the hand

[rigid compass]

Doesnt mean they did anything with her body

[radiant pier]

still can't believe Warframe made me realize I have a thing for mean women

[stiff fable]

As I've said, this is a deranged conspiracy theory

[rigid compass]

😭

[ashen pulsar]

I watched a playthrough, most of her body is there when we appear

before she recieves any power

[woven coyote]

first is before the first shard, second and third while absorbing the first shard

[woven coyote]

the effects are very unstable in that quest

some playthroughs didnt even have the lotus shield at the end against wally

[ashen pulsar]

all you're running off for this theory is effects tho

[woven coyote]

i am just suplying screenshots

havent even read the theory lol

[ashen pulsar]

then captain

captain said that the body was a projection from the hand, which is untrue.

[rigid compass]

This is why I dont like warframe players. Some are weird 😭
And then they add dating and its worse

[woven coyote]

it is true

[ashen pulsar]

no

[woven coyote]

like it is literally visible when effects dont bug out

[radiant pier]

the hell did I do

[ashen pulsar]

everything, including the hand, is phasing

[woven coyote]

also only part of the lotus that landed near drifter was the hand

which i might add wally used on the handshake flashback

[blissful merlin]

You don’t get the shield if you choose drifter is what I’ve seen from any and all play throughs of that quest. If you’re the drifter, the energy shield doesn’t show up, but if you’re the operator it fully shows the effects.

[rigid compass]

Nah ur fine but I open chat to see 67 mpreg messages and I want to uninstall the game
If only it was just a looter shooter😭 ✌️

[ashen pulsar]

this theory is almost entirely based off of visual effects, which is dumb on its own, but is dumber when you then say that "effects are unreliable"

[rigid compass]

Thank goodness I played it last week when those are probably patched

[woven coyote]

theory aside the hand thing is 100% a fact

drifter only had the hand

[ashen pulsar]

drifter had nothing

[woven coyote]

what ?

[ashen pulsar]

operator had a hand

[blissful merlin]

No

[rigid compass]

He got the hand at beginning of duviri paradox

[restive river]

Is there an issue? lol

[woven coyote]

now you are just being crazy mel

[rigid compass]

Yuh

[ashen pulsar]

oh what

[restive river]

How lol

[blissful merlin]

Have you not played duviri????

[woven coyote]

the whole point of change of the duviri paradox is the hand landing on drifter

[blissful merlin]

The opening cutscene???

[radiant pier]

the heirlooms exist

[rigid compass]

The meteor crashes and the hand attaches to drifter then he finishes the quest and goes to help the tenno

[ashen pulsar]

man paradox was like the fourth quest I played, and I stopped playing for months before I got to the second dream

I barely remember it

I remember the doll and the thrax lore

[rigid compass]

Honestly I would recommend new players to play duviri after new war

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/ben10-gif-23118873

[blissful merlin]

The hand was one of the biggest parts of that entire quest😭

[rigid compass]

Which is why it shouldn't be open to new players

[restive river]

The hand is also how Drifter has a piece of a Sentient in them

[rigid compass]

They do?

[woven coyote]

like drifter literally had the hand

[restive river]

Yup

[blissful merlin]

Dialogue from lotus confirmed it

If you stand around her next to the refractory

[restive river]

Both Drifter and Operator both have pieces of sentients in them now

[stiff fable]

I had the shield as Drifter

[rigid compass]

Also the drifter gains void powers outside duviri?

[restive river]

They are basically amalgams

[ashen pulsar]

they didnt tell me that
this was when duviri was doable day 1 with no challenges

[rigid compass]

From where?

[restive river]

They didnt have void powers in duviri lol

[blissful merlin]

Do you have a screenshot cuz that’s a first in the MULTIPLE playthrough I’ve seen

[ashen pulsar]

I learned operators existed months later

[stiff fable]

No lol I played it when it first came out on Switch

[restive river]

Drifter from Lotus in the Duviri Paradox
Operator from Adis in the Old Peace

[blissful merlin]

Gotcha lol

[rigid compass]

Idk dude is drifter using operator powers in 1999 just cosmetic? Isnt only the drifter in 1999

[restive river]

Drifter got their powers during the New War, when Operator was saved lol

[stiff fable]

Drifter inherits Void powers from the Operator during New War

Everything Operator can do Drifter can do by that point

[restive river]

Drifter didn’t get any powers from Wally, he specifically did not save them
Saving the tenno means imbuing them with a piece of him, granting them power

[rigid compass]

So if you choose drifter to go save lotus he gets powers then?

[restive river]

Duviri is not some product of Drifter getting powers nor is their control over it that

[rigid compass]

When's this?

[stiff fable]

No, when you shake with Wally at the end of part 2 of New War

[restive river]

We share :)

[woven coyote]

new war

[restive river]

Did you play the new war??

[woven coyote]

right when feral lotus is choking drifter

[rigid compass]

I did this the dinner scene?

[stiff fable]

Drifter pulls Operator out of the Void

[woven coyote]

before

[restive river]

No 😭

[stiff fable]

Operator shares their power with Drifter

[rigid compass]

When bro 😭

[stiff fable]

New War part 2

[restive river]

They just told you lol

[rigid compass]

BRO WHEN IS THAT

[restive river]

The second half of the new war

[rigid compass]

operator meets drifter during dinner and then never sees them again so its then is it not?

[stiff fable]

Middle third

[stiff fable]

No lol it's before

[restive river]

https://youtu.be/i96yKCvyIEU?t=10026&si=-elcPpWCOf4ehfMJ

[stiff fable]

The dinner scene is part 3

[rigid compass]

Buh

[twin wigeon]

when you're getting choked out after feeding natah 2 shards

[ashen pulsar]

before that, after the lotus chase scene

[restive river]

@rigid compass

[stiff fable]

How do you think Operator ended up in Drifter's Camp

[rigid compass]

Yo wait

[restive river]

I think you need to like
Replay every quest lol

[ashen pulsar]

please dont say smth like "operator was in drifter's camp?"

[woven coyote]

lol

[twin wigeon]

lol

[stiff fable]

lol

[ashen pulsar]

not like I can talk after the hand thing

I lwk should replay that quest but im not gonna do that

[restive river]

It’s not that long tbh

[ashen pulsar]

I can watch a video or smth

[restive river]

It’s p good especially since they cut out the tutorial stuff

[woven coyote]

honestly i'd say that intro is the most important part of the quest

[twin wigeon]

THEY DID?

[restive river]

I believe so yes

[ashen pulsar]

I'll stick to what I find fun.

[restive river]

It’s not a starting path anymore so

[woven coyote]

that and how the operator helps drifter find the doll parts

[restive river]

It can be fun to replay old quests lol

[drowsy saddle]

Would it be in poor taste to post a picture of "reading comprehension for dummies"?

[stiff beacon]

no

[twin wigeon]

yes

[restive river]

If it was you basically already did it by saying that lol

[stiff fable]

Hell no, I rage about Warframe players not reading every day

[restive river]

The trauma blinds us to the funny squiggles

[celest needle]

The indifference strikes once more

[ashen pulsar]

I didnt really like the quest, and I'd prefer to avoid having to use S&M for longer than I have to

[stiff fable]

Anyway, going back to the start of this conversation, the deranged conspiracy theory is that Narmer found the REST of Natah's body and revived it for their own purposes

[twin wigeon]

sorry im being blinded with vauban suns and red crit storms, reading is hard

[woven coyote]

i mean only thing is i dunno how they would locate her

[ashen pulsar]

why would they be looking for her then

and how would they be in the void

[stiff fable]

They were already looking for her during the quest

[woven coyote]

were they ?

[stiff fable]

And they weren't looking for her in the void

[ashen pulsar]

oh you're saying they found her after tnw

[stiff fable]

Yeah, Hunhow says so

[ashen pulsar]

I doubt it tbh

[restive river]

Same tbh

[ashen pulsar]

if DE had thought of that, it would be in our faces already

theres nothing that really supports it and we've already moved on

[restive river]

If they did like
What are they gonna do with that?
That’s a fragment basically, a horribly damaged fragment that’s borderline if not just eidolon
And if it was healed with the rest of her, that’s still a part of her

[ashen pulsar]

from the whole narmer thing

[woven coyote]

oh yeah right here

[stiff fable]

Just sayin'

[twin wigeon]

maybe it wasn't all of narmer that was looking for natah but just the forces controlled by erra, as its likely that exiling natah into the void was not part of the plan btwn ballas and erra

[restive river]

Can you please spoiler this
This ain’t even been officially revealed