lore-discussion

[covert falcon]

not if I can help it

[graceful yew]

hmmm i don,t think so . like they ARE the Poison of sentients they have ALL units of each army in her proposal and the void is who gave the Power to tennos

[strange turtle]

Their range and population is limited to whatever the Neural Sentries’ limits are + howeveer many are still active

[tall echo]

again, the corrupted aren't void, they're orokin

[strange turtle]

Even if we ignore their limit on staying in the Towers + whatevers going on in fissures, manufacturing, transport and stuff like that are issues that they’re not really gonna be able to overcome

[graceful yew]

ok orokin only lose for tennos

[tall echo]

and sentients

[graceful yew]

but have the Man in the wall of void

[strange turtle]

They also don’t have any orbital or ship assets or anything, could literally just get bombarded

[strange turtle]

They’re not Wally’s people

[tall echo]

seriously the corrupted are probably the weakest faction

[strange turtle]

They’re taken over by the Neural Sentries that defend the Void Towers

[strange turtle]

They don’t have Orokin tech aside from the turrets and shield drones in the Towers

They’re just Orokin because the Neural Sentry is an Orokin device

[graceful yew]

ok maybe i have superestimated then .like i was seeing like Angels and demons but yes orokin was once humans

[tall echo]

overestimated

[strange turtle]

Always humans

[graceful yew]

ok so in warframe don,t have the strongest army .like THE STRONGEST .

[strange turtle]

The Orokin just used “minor” body mods and would hop into another person’s body when necessary

[tall echo]

I bet the orokin's favorite music genre was blues

[graceful yew]

?!

[strange turtle]

Yeah, everyone’s equal or restricted enough that they’re stuck in a stalemate with the others

[smoky gulch]

And Lotus makes sure to sabotage anyone that gets an upper hand

[tall echo]

it's hard to answer when you don't phrase it like a question or an actual sentence in general

[graceful yew]

hm yeah make Sense ...is not like real life what God and Angels ARE the strongest of everything . God anyways cause everything IS temporary .but the armies like the countries of us world really have the potential to each other be the strongest

so yes

everything IS equal

is Just this ..this was my only doubt

[graceful yew]

Lol

[graceful yew]

Mr dembeor , speaking of Lotus

hunhow ARE strongest than her ?

[rigid compass]

I mean atp id say they just the bosses now. Id rather not deal with another bum ahh boss that has invulnerability for 3 minutes while I hit the 3 pixels of their weakpoint

[tall echo]

is stronger* and no he isn't anymore

he's stuck on uranus

[graceful yew]

Lol

[celest needle]

Why doesn't Narmer just revive all 3 archons at once to beat our asses?

Are they stupid?

[tall echo]

can't produce shards that quickly

[woven coyote]

Also the archons arent really that strong against warframes

The difference between facing them with only drifter and with a warframe during the quest is already massive

Get a full squad and the archons have no chance

And now we got tauron strikes back

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/black-guy-whtie-and-black-cry-praying-looking-up-gif-553441503240360994

Archons watching a full squad of operators pop out their Necramechs with the techniques they helped make

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/hammer-gif-19949441

4 cogron users vs 1 archon

[celest needle]

It must be a traumatizing experience for Amar to see Uriel again

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187307015832354858/1481568567181705247/losercity-grandmother-v0-o2dlf1w4cdog1.gif

[tall echo]

hell it must've been traumatizing to see THE operator again but grown up

[woven coyote]

Dunno if they even have enough awareness, what with the archons never having direct dialogue

And being legally distinct headcrab zombies

[strange turtle]

They get described like they’ve still got stuff left going on up there

[smoky gulch]

Lotus has some esteem towards them and their mindfulness

But is it archon zombie or just her memory of what they used to be?

[celest needle]

Piloting sentient killer #1

[stiff fable]

what's the difference

though actually Lotus does suggest that Archon Nira is behind Erra getting remade into Pazuul

[smoky gulch]

Some zombies in universe seem pretty smart, like cavias

[clever linden]

Is there somewhere I can hear what the Narmer Ballas Propaganda Drones in the new war campaign say?

In-game they aren’t very clear sounding

There’s much more than the simple “All as One” phrase but there’s also long silent gaps between quotes

[strange turtle]

The whole thing with Nira and Pazuul. Pazuul being a character, as rabid and feral of one as he is. + they way Lotus describes the Archons in a present way rather than something sounding like an impression from when she knew them

[strange turtle]

Might be on Orokin Archives?

[clever linden]

I’m replaying new war and I’m standing next to one to document quoted

“To those few who have yet to embrace Narmer, hear this, we understand.”

Oddly sympathetic sounding for Ballas

[tall echo]

also borral apparently being way more independently hateful than a mindless zombie drone would be

[clever linden]

Cus the archons aren’t mindless, they are fully sentient monsters a part of Narmer leadership

[tall echo]

yes

[celest needle]

Golden lord of lies btw

[clever linden]

Huh?

[tall echo]

pc is saying it's false sympathy

[clever linden]

Ohh

[clever linden]

Ohhhh

[tall echo]

hunhow is the great and terrible roast king

or, well, insult

[clever linden]

He sounds like Sloane so I like him

[tall echo]

who

[clever linden]

U wouldn’t know who that is if u aren’t a fan of halo

He’s an ai uprising member and has a deep voice and domineering personality

[north skiff]

Wait why does drifter hate the orkin?

[clever linden]

Why wouldn’t he?

[tall echo]

bc the orokin suck

[north skiff]

No I get that

[clever linden]

Except for House Entrati, they are cool

[tall echo]

problem solved

[north skiff]

But why does he hate them

[clever linden]

Roathe is more mixed

[tall echo]

minus kaelli and gomaitru yes

[smoky gulch]

Hunhow does like hating on Orokin - probably had a lot of time to think them up

[fast dew]

Because the orokin suck

[clever linden]

The lore is that this cyborg armor was made by glitching ai’s, so it looks pretty creepy as a result

[tall echo]

I've seen much worse

[humble sierra]

Thought bro was covered in NiduSTDs

[tall echo]

ultron version 1 was creepier than that

https://tenor.com/view/peace-in-our-time-peaceinourtime-ultron-peace-ultron-age-of-ultron-gif-2674330012885145584

[clever linden]

Eh the meme-humor and references ruined MCU Ultron for me

He should have been a Thanos-level threat on his own

[stiff fable]

his two strongest associations with them are Tuvul (indirect cause of Zariman tragedy) and Ballas (is Ballas)

[humble sierra]

It's harder to set Ultron up as a villain for a multi-movie arc

[clever linden]

But if u listen to Sloan here, u gotta admit he and Hunhow sound alike https://youtu.be/GUiboLb_vv8?si=D3atcwyhxsYndI8F

and they are both elder members of an ai rebellion faction

[celest needle]

Do you count peak human performance for serving the created as creepy?

[humble sierra]

He had no underlings like Loki and Ronan and he wasn't collecting anything

[clever linden]

Yeah especially how they compose ppl for rebelling

[north skiff]

Wait so when he left durvi did he go directly into new war?

[fast dew]

They did yeah

Popped out some time

Did shit i guess

[tall echo]

ok but like
the design is still creepier

[celest needle]

I love waypoint stories

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1034276993950302331/1494332490691641374/Screenshot2026-04-16064207-ezgif.com-webp-to-gif-converter.gif

[stiff fable]

yup

The Lotus you're fixing in New War pt2 is the hand Ballas chopped off

[celest needle]

When your sent info, the void is when thebdrifter breaks free from his endless cycle of death after the lotus’s hand crashes

[clever linden]

Me too

[north skiff]

His hate is valid then

[humble sierra]

Which landed in Duviri and fused into Drifter's hand

[clever linden]

It has symbolic meaning, I’ll give u that

[fast dew]

Their hate has always been valid the orokin kill children on the regular 😭

[loud oriole]

open lore chat
lore discussion happening alongside Halo discussion
-# i love this community

[north skiff]

I'M SORRY WHAT?!

[humble sierra]

Continuity

[fast dew]

You didn't know???

[clever linden]

I’ve seen lots of ppl arguing the opposite, that New War comes first then Duviri Patadux for some reason

[tall echo]

are you new or smth

[north skiff]

They did that on kids?

[tall echo]

duviri happens during tnw

[celest needle]

“Oh man my body is getting old, well time to transfer into a good looking child”

[fast dew]

Why didn't folk start off with that

[restive river]

Remember war within?

[humble sierra]

They take kids, then put their own souls into the kids so they could live forever

[north skiff]

Didn't dig into lore as much

[fast dew]

This process also obliterates the child's mind

[humble sierra]

This was basically said during a quest

[north skiff]

Ah

[celest needle]

Why don't they try continuity on a a turtle

[restive river]

Person’s mind, they didn’t just use children

[tall echo]

how many pals are there if you're number 792

[fast dew]

True

Though, unsure if that's done by the end of the empire

[restive river]

It’s possible you can only continuity into another mind capable of having a consciousness

It’d be like uploading a file to a device that just doesn’t have the storage or processing power

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn oro

[restive river]

There is a chance for continuity to fail and that likely goes up on non-human minds

[restive river]

I don’t think its even an oro thing entirely

[fast dew]

Just the difference between a human and animal mind, i mean

[restive river]

we don’t even know what oro exactly is yet either
Educated guesses ofc

[fast dew]

Animals lacking the distinction of a mind or whatever Albrecht said

[restive river]

Except his darling kalymos :p

[fast dew]

Tbf have you seen her

[restive river]

Hey bud
Maybe you and your gold buddies were just
Wrong

[fast dew]

Iii don't think he's entirely wrong on that statement

[restive river]

Many people think their animals are the best or smartest or whatever lol

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/kalymos-warframe-heart-cat-gif-14437175578720025539

i love her silly grin

[restive river]

Love Kalymos
Albrecht is just gassing her up cause she’s his cat, he knows his cat

[fast dew]

And how one eye is slightly more closed than the other

She'd be so heavy

[tall echo]

kalymos does behave smarter than other pets we've seen so far

[restive river]

Not that we’ve seen that many lol

[fast dew]

Imagine sleeping only for her to jump right on top of you and obliterate your ribcage 💔

[tall echo]

didn't she lay down on albrecht in the coffin time machine

[loud oriole]

eh, prob not much heavier than a medium-large dog given (atleast i hope) cats have less dense bones

[humble sierra]

So in Whispers, the "You are Late" scene-- was that Albrecht who then gets possessed by Wally? Wally the whole time? What about Kalymos there?

[restive river]

We don’t have many animal characters, unfortunately

[fast dew]

Down lower, Albrecht's legs were next to her

[tall echo]

wally corrupted the video feed

[restive river]

What

[fast dew]

Isn't it that. Wally distorted the visual feed?

[humble sierra]

Ah yeah, " the Murmur overloaded your connection"

[fast dew]

She's also hella muscular so I wouldn't be surprised if she was just dense regardless

[loud oriole]

it was a murmur wearing a very convincing kalymos suit

[fast dew]

• even a medium dog jumping on your ribcage will be heavy 😭

[restive river]

Idk if that means he distorted what we saw lol

[smoky gulch]

Player's companions are pretty smart, up to opening lockers if given a chance

[restive river]

What does him overloading the connection do
My immediate thought is it’s him using our connection to get to 1999, to Albrecht

[fast dew]

I figured that came later with Neci's possession

[restive river]

He shows up in 1999 during the whispers section, thanks to us lol

He uses the connection in whispers to then get to Neci

We inadvertently unlocked the door and made just enough of a crack that he got in to expand the crack, opening the door wider. That’s Neci

[vestal vine]

What are the strongest Warframes speaking of lore?

I remember seing Mag can manipulate a whole planet

Wisp can open portals to the sun

[lean garden]

straight lie lmao

[lean garden]

not untrue, but like, meh so what

[vestal vine]

Limbo can send you to the dark dimension

[tall echo]

no

[lean garden]

*The Rift, and also so what?

[tall echo]

all of them

[lean garden]

it was just math

[tall echo]

powerscaling is cringe

[vestal vine]

Can you survive in the surface of the sun?

[lean garden]

Lightning is already hotter than the surface of the sun

[vestal vine]

We dont care Mr. Special. Just have fun

[tall echo]

oh that's the general opinion of regulars of this channel, not mine alone

[vestal vine]

Doesn't change anything

You're not the bigger part

I respect if you all dont care, but dont make me change my mind

Thats the actual cringe

[restive river]

Your favorute

[tall echo]

there is no singular strongest warframe, so powerscaling is pointless

[restive river]

Powerscaling is pointless anyway

[vestal vine]

Nothing is stronger than power of friendship 🐴

[restive river]

Hypothetical fights between strong characters are cool and all but the actual winner is whoever the writer chooses

And with Warframe there is no one single strongest frame, they’re largely all specialists
No one frame is better than any other in every way

[vestal vine]

I'll not change my mind.
And the writer excuse only works when there's already an argument or story being made

[humble sierra]

The writer excuse is just how writing works

[vestal vine]

At least in their own worldbuilding, there should be a base

[graceful yew]

I agree everything depends of ...the situation

[vestal vine]

We're not writers are we

[humble sierra]

I'm actually Adrian Bott in disguise

[graceful yew]

lol

[restive river]

I mean you can say powerscaling is important but it does literally come down to the writer, it’s fiction not fact lol

[fast dew]

Powerscaling isn't important and cannot function correctly

How do you scale things in different universes with different rules?

[humble sierra]

Yeah take Invincible for example-- he was able to ultimately hold his own against really big threats like Conquest, but then also gets dispatched by the Maulers if the story demands it

[vestal vine]

Whats the point of making a whole world without consistent writing then, we're only talking about the same world. Not different products being compared

[restive river]

You can’t really powerscale the frames, not generally anyway
If you asked which frame is the fastest or most durable or whatever then that’s different

[graceful yew]

and the "real " life don,t have powerscale too .well If you take God out of this .but like until the most weak of animal can Win the strongest

[fast dew]

If one frame is the best then they wouldn't have made multiple frames

[restive river]

And in the realm of Warframe powerscaling the frames on a broad scale is pointless.

[restive river]

I mean
You can powerscale real life, it’s real, it’s not fiction
My black hole is gonna wallop your pebble lmao

[humble sierra]

YIPPEE

[graceful yew]

"real "

[vestal vine]

My brother in Christ, whats the food chain's purpose then

[restive river]

What?

[graceful yew]

Oh ok

[graceful yew]

understand brother

[restive river]

Do not tell me you think black holes aren’t real lol

[graceful yew]

no is not .like they ARE in moment until the Armagedom

[humble sierra]

I mean, an insect can kill a lion if need be, despite them being on very different ends

[fast dew]

Its too early for these shenanigans

[tall echo]

now get the day 1000 reward

[graceful yew]

whem star Will fall

[humble sierra]

Can't preview it

[tall echo]

armageddon*

[restive river]

I’m not gonna bring religion into this lol

[graceful yew]

Thank

[humble sierra]

Nah talking about the uhhh

[restive river]

Based on known facts, neutron stars obliterate an ant

[graceful yew]

so still blind .well back to the Topic everything IS possible like a insect can kill a human and etc

[graceful yew]

Yes but If our writer don,t want so they don,t

but life IS made for be lived

so viva lá vida

[humble sierra]

deep

[restive river]

Respectfully, if we’re going to powerscale the real world let’s stick to known facts ❤️

[fast dew]

Xata

[graceful yew]

Lol

[tall echo]

kaxata

[graceful yew]

as a Brasilian i would text kkk like A laugh but , as for some people this Tree words know other thing i Will don,t

[restive river]

How could you lie ):

[graceful yew]

so lol

[clever linden]

Is that random chance?

[tall echo]

no

every 50 days is a set reward

[graceful yew]

Well tomorrow i Will have my Second warframe .rhino

[humble sierra]

Guaranteed reward at 800 days

[tall echo]

imagine not having like 30 frames

[graceful yew]

and for a " Noob " i think unlock Uranus IS a big advance

[tall echo]

not really anymore tbh, they streamlined the progression a LOT

[graceful yew]

Oh Sorry for the out context .this IS a lore chat

[tall echo]

this channel gets off topic the most lol

[humble sierra]

Uranus is where the story kinda starts lmao

[lean garden]

to indicate the path of energy travel from the sun/other sources to an organism

[vestal vine]

But sun doesn't exist, it's a shiny donut

[lean garden]

that gives plants their gogo juice

[clever linden]

Do we have any idea when the new Cape is coming to prime resurgence?

[lean garden]

and then that gogo juice gets passed down over and over in lesser amounts per singular item consumed

[graceful yew]

Yes .like " exist" until now in our anime .cause the manga already end lol

[lean garden]

the legally distinct tennocon 2025 cape?

[vestal vine]

This is the kind of adaptation wich is not the same as the original material

Like Full Metal

[graceful yew]

well thinking in Life as existence in general i Will try to ...stay alone in heaven

Even ITS Impossible

[lean garden]

Anyways,

[graceful yew]

Yep

Lol

https://tenor.com/view/scp-the-true-author-gif-12185265167682262338

[graceful yew]

Are you a corpus in warframe universe too ? like i,m a corpus warframe theme

[lean garden]

I wanted to reply:

Consistent in what? The question of "who are the strongest" is not one asking if the world building is consistent, its merely one asking who is the strongest.

Its a logical leap to jump from "are the elements that make up the World of Warframe consistent" to "these warframes therefore are the strongest"

[vestal vine]

I'll make it simple

Dragon Ball

[stiff fable]

The strongest Warframe is Chroma because that's the only Warframe who's described with any kind of power level ever

[tall echo]

pretty sure volt is ironically the only of the starter frames without a corpus tennogen

[stiff fable]

(The devs have been very careful to avoid power level discussions ever)

[graceful yew]

lol . i disagree o think ITS revenant

[humble sierra]

Is it that simple? Does Goku not regularly kick the asses of people who regularly kick his ass?

[lean garden]

You mean the one where Blue Goku gets shot in the heart all easy peasy or?

[graceful yew]

Lol yes but i pretend to Be a vaubam

[ashen pulsar]

power scaling is dumb.

[tall echo]

vauban is also not a corpus frame

[ashen pulsar]

especially in warframe.

[stiff fable]

You'd be factually incorrect because in universe no one has ever said anything about Revenant's power

[lean garden]

the only real fact is that Rev P got called fatherless

[stiff fable]

[tall echo]

"chroma is one of the strongest warframes"
-lotus

[lean garden]

Also saying "Dragon Ball" does not make it simple in the slightest

it doesnt remotely suggest whats the "consistency" here

[stiff fable]

(Though, with context, that's because Chroma was the first Warframe to use multiple elements)

But yes Chroma is the only frame with a power level

[lean garden]

(and also the first and only base warframe to require parts from other warframes)

[graceful yew]

Yes it IS :/ he and protea

[tall echo]

funny how the only frame to get officially powerscaled is now one of if not the worst frame

[stiff fable]

Wait, hang on, Chroma's Captain Planetframe

[vestal vine]

Giving the example, if your characters canonically can make massive damage in a large area or even destroy a planet, why they cannot kill their weaker enemies or by punching them once or their allies by accident? Does that mean they are as strong as us? Thats the inconsistent narrative

[stiff fable]

No. Vauban was created to beat the Corpus into submission

[tall echo]

only protea, vauban is from nightwave which is more tenno-aligned

[stiff fable]

He's an anti-Corpus frame if anything

[ashen pulsar]

like canonically gauss can go fast enough that he experiences time at a different rate, meaning he could end fights in seconds.
protea can manipulate time.
cyte could end a fight without ever being in range of an enemy.
these frames are excessively powerful, making them accurate in their gameplay wouldn’t be fun or possible.

[graceful yew]

Well but the design of vaubam prime .well

[tall echo]

also not very corpus

[stiff fable]

Vauban Prime is just a train

Choo choo

[ashen pulsar]

and there’s no point scaling them, that would lead to needless arguments.

[graceful yew]

I Just like to Be a corporative design

[high bay]

I’m taking a closer look at Voruna Prime because I claimed her from my foundry yesterday, and are the wolf heads on Prime model meant to look more like skulls compared to her regular model’s wolves?

[stiff fable]

There's plenty of ways. Buy a tennogen skin and Corpus themed armor.

[vestal vine]

Yes, and thats completely understandable. We cannot just make the gameplay lore accurate, perhaps Im only speaking about lore power

Im not saying we should make the gameplay lore accurate, Im just comparing

[stiff fable]

Excuse me I got that backwards

[graceful yew]

Thank

[stiff fable]

(also gameplay vs. story discussions are pointless because energy pickups are a gameplay mechanic only, they don't exist in-universe)

[graceful yew]

Lol the real life lore and gameplay ARE diferent too

[ashen pulsar]

devs don’t need to spend time accurately explaining a character’s canon power just so that people on Reddit can argue for hours cuz they won’t accept that multiple things can be true

[graceful yew]

Lol

[vestal vine]

It is, but gameplay is not involved in lore neither. If were surely a single greener could destroy a city or else

[woven coyote]

If anything vauban prime is baro themed because of all the triangles and prisms /j

[graceful yew]

Make sense

[lean garden]

Well the classic power scalers flaw is that 1) a combatant is going to constantly exert/want to exert maximum destructive capability at all times and 2) the end goal of every fight is to destroy only

[vestal vine]

They've already did with many actually, if you're taking time to explain it why dont make it great?

[lean garden]

a single grineer? Destroy a city? now thats a joke and a half

[vestal vine]

You're getting the point

[stiff fable]

Uhh yeah that's actually accurate

That's why we never fight them in populated areas

[lean garden]

No. That statement is a nonsense statement entirely

[ashen pulsar]

we haven’t seen the full potential of a single frame in the lore idk what ur on

[vestal vine]

Thats the kind of answer I was expecting

[lean garden]

a single grineer cannot destroy a city

[stiff fable]

They could probably tear through Cetus if no Tenno were around

[vestal vine]

Barely in their gameplay and some legends told in codex, some more fantasy than others of course, but stills a solid base to teorize

[stiff fable]

The independent colonies mostly survive by not being noticed

[ashen pulsar]

The strength of the grineer is numbers.

[lean garden]

Even if you wantonly do ping pong powerscaling between level cap grineer and warframes, to go fron there to "single grineer can destroy a city" you'd already be inconsistent in your own powerscaling

[vestal vine]

Until I know, we've only been in the warzone. I think most of the galaxy is safe or at least an important part

[stiff fable]

I mean I don't count level cap for anything

[stiff fable]

There's no "galaxy" to count

[graceful yew]

Tyl regor IS palpatine of warframe

[stiff fable]

Warframe humanity is confined to the solar system only

[vestal vine]

Even I get thats only game logic

[tall echo]

hahahahahaha

[lean garden]

not really, thats more ballas

[vestal vine]

System, my bad

[stiff fable]

Minus any human survivors in Tau

[graceful yew]

No.cause ballas don,t make clones

[vestal vine]

He doesn't have the force (I guess)

[stiff fable]

....uh

[graceful yew]

tyl hegor like clones

[stiff fable]

Yeah about that

Who do you think created the Grineer?

[woven coyote]

All grineer are clones

[tall echo]

the orokin created the grineer and all the tech behind cloning

[woven coyote]

Including tyl

[ashen pulsar]

The Better Grineer

[stiff fable]

Ballas wasn't the chief scientist, but the Grineer are all clones that the Orokin created

[tall echo]

and also palpatine didn't like clones either

[graceful yew]

oh ....so yes

[vestal vine]

Question, why is Glem the only "good" one?

[graceful yew]

Uh he like the hq show this

[ashen pulsar]

there’s plenty of good grineer

[tall echo]

he's not, he's one of many defective grineer

[stiff fable]

Clem is just the one that didn't join the Steel Meridian full time

[woven coyote]

In the eyes of the grineer that would be a defect

Also the whole of steel meridian says hi

[ashen pulsar]

a whole syndicate of them, in fact

[stiff fable]

Also Clem is a reference to a 4chan story

[vestal vine]

Really? I dont remember seing anothers

[stiff fable]

Where a guy's squad had a Grineer soldier team up with them to fight the Grineer

[woven coyote]

Based on when invasions first were launched

[vestal vine]

Whar

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[woven coyote]

Yeah clem is a community meme

[ashen pulsar]

the guy who made it has a memorial in iron wake

[tall echo]

the entirety of steel meridian??

[vestal vine]

The kind of meme wich was included in the game I suppose

[ashen pulsar]

had a brain aneurysm iirc, rest in peace

[stiff fable]

In game a Grineer soldier swapped sides and started fighting Grineer, even following the Tenno to extraction

That became Clem

[woven coyote]

Clem was put into the game because he was a popular meme

[stiff fable]

John Prodman is the Corpus equivalent

[tall echo]

a lot of community memes get included in the game

[vestal vine]

In my defense, I dont do syndicates too much

[stiff fable]

A Corpus crewmember who 1v1'd Phorid and won

[ashen pulsar]

that’s not an adequate defense

this is stuff the game shoves in your face

[vestal vine]

For Glem's nuts

[stiff fable]

Back in the day when Phorid was a threa--pffft okay no

[tall echo]

weak defense

[woven coyote]

Oh and poor old kahl of duty

[vestal vine]

Sorry for playing at my pace

[tall echo]

phorid can actually be hard to kill
if you have absolutely useless gear

weaker defense

[stiff fable]

Yep

Phorid rework please DE

[ashen pulsar]

…

[stiff fable]

With an accolade version too

[ashen pulsar]

Again, this is stuff the game shoves in your face

[graceful yew]

I think corpus design funny

[ashen pulsar]

this isn’t about pacing, this is just about paying attention

[graceful yew]

looks like refrigerators

[stiff fable]

Amusingly a Warframe voice actor got stuck in a fridge last Tennocon

[tall echo]

corpus design is sleek and futuristic, coincidentally that ends up just being very square

[stiff fable]

Poor Ben Starr

[woven coyote]

Fridge starr

[tall echo]

hey at least he was pretty
cool

[stiff fable]

FRIDGE STARR

Velimir approves +10 chemistry

[tall echo]

if ben starr ever has a son I hope he names him joe

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/joseph-joestar-stardust-crusaders-jojo-what-gif-18826950

[vestal vine]

Maybe you're right, but the storytelling doesn't help too much. I even remember there's quests wich depends on old time limit ones to be completely understandable. Like patient cero

[stiff fable]

Patient Zero makes sense but just has been moved

Internally it's fine

[vestal vine]

I'm liking Warframe's story and its lore, but you cant just tell me in the face the story telling is well made at all

[vestal vine]

It is, but you'll get another context

[tall echo]

it is though

to say the storytelling isn't well made is just false

[ashen pulsar]

i’m gonna tell you that
not to your face cuz idk where you live
the story is very well made.

[tall echo]

the operations being gone is messy but they're not part of the story so

[ashen pulsar]

we’re not destiny

[vestal vine]

Story-telling ≠ Main argument

[vestal vine]

Who cares about Destiny

[ashen pulsar]

destiny vaults story content

warframe does not.

[vestal vine]

I meant about how the story is told

[graceful yew]

Lol cephalon scrap .funny nick

[vestal vine]

Especially of the order of some missions that can make it inconsistent, like Duviri's Paradox

[stiff fable]

Even Duviri makes sense, the issue is that it was moved

But not moved enough

[vestal vine]

I got the possibility of access since Saturn

[stiff fable]

Yes

It was originally available as the game's opening

[vestal vine]

Many friends says that should've been able after the New War because of story

[vestal vine]

What

[stiff fable]

As the opening to the game it's fine

[woven coyote]

One of many DE experiments

[stiff fable]

Because it throws a lot of terms at you and starts to reveal them as you play the game

[vestal vine]

It explains a lot

[stiff fable]

The problem is that the GAMEPLAY is off-putting

Because it's not the core gameplay, and you're expected to learn two different systems simultaneously

[vestal vine]

Dou

[graceful yew]

Ohh guys i remenber , o would like to try to make a build of palpatine volt

[stiff fable]

DE believes it needs more heavy story content early

[stiff fable]

Volt? No. There's a later character who will work much better.

But it's spoiler mode itself, so.

[vestal vine]

Psychological damage build: Strenght distance increase and Primed Flow

[graceful yew]

But volt shoots lightnings

[stiff fable]

None of the looks come close to fitting

And Warframes don't have cosmetic hoods or robes

What you'd probably do is use Dante and give him Volt's power

[graceful yew]

Oh let me explain ...when i talk about volt palpatine IS Just cause the lightning fingers .also you know palpatine can shoot in distance

The build IS the 1 be more stronger durable and have more reach

[tall echo]

you can give volt's 1st ability to other frames via helminth

[graceful yew]

i know

I,m " New " .my life IS a reset

[tall echo]

why do you always type is in full caps

[graceful yew]

idk

ITS cause the cellphone system do It automaticly

[clever linden]

I do

Maybe Stalker was a Guardian and that’s why he was known as a “Low Guardian”

Serious Answer: Low Guardians were cannon fodder with no modifications to speak of.

Unlike the Dax which were closer to Halo’s Spartans, and honored supersoldier class

[vestal vine]

Dunno

I honestly haven't research too much into that

At the begining I thought Stalker was an older Tenno or smtg

Now, I dont understand exactly understand what is he

[tall echo]

he's a low guard turned into a frame

[clever linden]

He was a “Low Guardian” that’s an official rank and you could get their badge in operations

[vestal vine]

Dou

[clever linden]

Huh?

[tall echo]

?

[vestal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-gif-17766378259883108565

[tall echo]

brother managed to misspell a 3 letter word

[vestal vine]

Thats how I spell it with friends

Homer says the expression exactly like that in my language

[tall echo]

ic

[queen shale]

OK so is the drifter just the operator's self insert duviri oc that came to life via the wally deal or am I tweaking

[restive river]

No, they’re an alternate version of the Operator who didn’t get saved in the deal, was left in the void and they caused Duviri to form in the Void through conceptual embodiment

You may hear eternalism thrown around by others
This is the only applicable thing with it, the Drifter

[queen shale]

OK so theyre still technically the same person just different timelines got it

[restive river]

Yup!

[tall echo]

and even there it's only half applicable

[restive river]

No its
It’s fully applicable, it literally explains why they exist

[tall echo]

drifter never leaves the void, so they're not from an alternate reality and fortunately bypass the whole "alternate realities are only theoretically accessible"

[queen shale]

Makes me wonder how the timelines merged tho, did the operator get flung into the future or did the drifter get sent into the past? (Considering operator is still a child)

[restive river]

The split happened with the deal, there was no merge exactly just the points in which their stories intersect

[tall echo]

operator got launched into the past, technically, then went back to the present

those flashbacks during tnw are actually the events happening while operator is out of order, not memories

[restive river]

Those being the Duviri Paradox where Operator helps Drifter to escape Duviri so that Drifter can help Operator escape being trapped in their own history so that they can help Drifter to get out of Duviri and thus it goes in a loop

[queen shale]

This is like homestuck levels of time shenanigans

[tall echo]

nah

[restive river]

IT IS YES

[restive river]

No hush you DONT KNOW

[tall echo]

"I help you help me help you help me he-"

[restive river]

When the deal was shook one version of our Tenno got void powers and left with the other Tenno
But the other version of us did not get powers and was left behind

[queen shale]

I'm pretty sure that this is also the reason theres more player tenno than the amount of families on the zariman. Different realities and timelines are merging, thus giving us an endless supply of tenno (Dave striders)

[tall echo]

I vaguely know that homestuck is more complicated

[restive river]

Nah that’s gameplay > lore
We aren’t all the same person

[tall echo]

player tenno are dubiously canon

[queen shale]

It is but not by much tbh

[restive river]

It is but the whole Drifter thing is complicated enough that it’d get a minor sound page at the very least

[queen shale]

I was thinking Spiderverse bullshit

[restive river]

No, not really
There’s no explanation for other player tenno having gone through the same thing we did
We are all random tenno to eachother and all the chosen operator in our own stories
It’s gameplay > story

It’d be fun if they did that but that’s not really the case here

[fast dew]

Mm. There's multiple tenno, yeah, but only one chosen operator [which has the drifter]

Woe Ludonarrative dissonance

[restive river]

From my perspective I’m the chosen operator and you’re some random goober who I bumped into once in class

[stiff fable]

Nah it's just mom playing favorites

[restive river]

And Albrecht
Who’s
I guess space grandpa from our fourth mom..?

[fast dew]

In certain hubs like Höllvania and Sanctum Anatomica, there's only supposed to be. 1 person in there, but there's multiple
-# the Sanctum isn't supposed to be open to anyone but the chosen operator right-

[tall echo]

first mom plays least favorites and yeets out one, then second mom plays favorites and makes one the special hero

[fast dew]

Yeah space grandpa.. 2?

[restive river]

I think as of gargoyle’s cry it’s fine

[tall echo]

albrecht is the less liked adoptive space grandpa

[restive river]

Space grandpa 2: not yet proven to be racist

[fast dew]

And. Now that Loid is allowed up there its probably free reign

[fast dew]

Space grandpa 2 electric boogaloo

I still think a lot about the new voice lines from the family

Im. So very sad you don't get them

[queen shale]

I love my gay space grandpas

[fast dew]

Same

Actually. No i don't like Albrecht but I can tolerate him

[tall echo]

hate

[queen shale]

He is quite punchable but we gotta be nice for Loid

[tall echo]

I'll let loid punch him first

[queen shale]

I'd give him brass knuckles to do it with

[restive river]

Ok but let Tagfer ensure Albrecht can never reproduce again at the very least

[fast dew]

Im. Pretty sure the void mightve already done that but he can certainly do it again

[restive river]

And again and again and again and again and again an—

[fast dew]

||"I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"||

Fair enough mother i too would be upset

[queen shale]

Honestly thats how some scientific discoveries sound like to me

[old wharf]

That's because he was a product of his enviroment.

[fast dew]

Its just odd because. If Duviri was written as a way to avoid conceptual embodiment, you'd think she'd know of the phenomenon conceptual embodiment

[dark compass]

You know

[old wharf]

#Ballasdidnothingwrong

[fast dew]

Like girl why are you shocked

[dark compass]

An extreme untested situation

[queen shale]

#EattheOrokin

[old wharf]

Why does Son from deimos yell at me for not saving the infested animals

[dark compass]

Or drifter was the only one who did their homework

[old wharf]

This is why the whole family hates him.

[old wharf]

#SavetheOrokin

[fast dew]

||"Finally, with Loid back among us, we have a true example of what it means to serve."||

Necraloid sucks its offical

[restive river]

No they hate him for an actual legit reason

[old wharf]

yeah ik

I'm just sad that he yells at me

[dark compass]

They mean serve in a different manner

[restive river]

Save them so I can slaughter them again
and again
and again

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

The entrati? Mother doesn't hate him i don't think, she's. Seemingly fine with what has happened overall

[fast dew]

[radiant pier]

is that from the boys

[fast dew]

True.......

[old wharf]

@fast dew will you save the Orokin?

[fast dew]

No lol

[old wharf]

The Heros of the system.

[radiant pier]

the crappy cold lighting looks like it

[restive river]

We got another veiled one over here

[old wharf]

They already got you

[restive river]

Get the Hek

[fast dew]

That also looks like the lighting in Hannibal

[radiant pier]

it must suck

[fast dew]

Season 3 is pretty meh but the first 2 are phenomenal

[old wharf]

Vay hek is better than lord

speaking of Vay Hek, what happened to him?

Did they get him?

[dark compass]

He's alive

[restive river]

Voruna took eat the orokin literally and honestly?
Good.

[fast dew]

Would sit there and watch it

[dark compass]

When we beat his ass he runs away

[old wharf]

Because he still has his air?

[fast dew]

Just. In a rain coat

[restive river]

You want some popcorn?
I can share

[dark compass]

And we haven't seen him in person since

[fast dew]

I dont want viscera on me

[old wharf]

If you share with Thomas, you gotta share with me

[fast dew]

Can't, braces, but I do have cut up bits of apple

[old wharf]

I'm hungry

[tall echo]

because
protecting them is his job?

[restive river]

Nah you’re in support of em, not their death

[restive river]

Dang, can I have some apple tho?

[tall echo]

apple?

[fast dew]

"My father was only a man, in the end. As is my husband. They all have their flaws and their frailties."

[fast dew]

Ye

[restive river]

:D

[old wharf]

Is he getting paid?

[tall echo]

no

[radiant pier]

oh you meant

you had some cut apples on hand

[old wharf]

Wheres the money Cephalon Scrap?

[queen shale]

I always say this but I really want an orokin version of desperate housewives just to see what would happen

[radiant pier]

I thought you meant stuck in your braces

[fast dew]

I did

[radiant pier]

pardon me?

[fast dew]

I just finished em

[tall echo]

how would I know

[fast dew]

Id watch the hell out of it tbh

[queen shale]

Orokin
Desperate
Housewives

[tall echo]

odh

[old wharf]

I thought you knew the past and future

[radiant pier]

oh it's a show

[old wharf]

can I get apple?

[tall echo]

...what

I barely know the present

[fast dew]

My apples are eaten

[restive river]

No apple for Orokin likers

[radiant pier]

do cephalons even have money

[old wharf]

bro

I haven't eaten a apple in such a long tijme

[fast dew]

Yeah ordis takes some from us to maintain the ship

[restive river]

Ew
Not the AI

[tall echo]

ordis does

[radiant pier]

I love Ordis

[old wharf]

I'm sorry

[tall echo]

no you're toofers

[queen shale]

Speaking of Ordis I want him
To find love

[restive river]

It’s all good, this is just a very anti-AI place

One of the very few good things the Orokin did
Being anti-AI
Except that one time

[old wharf]

Can I sell Ordis for some credits?

[radiant pier]

take that back or be swiftly annihilated

[old wharf]

Good bot

[true bobcat]

Ordis is pleased to help the Operator!

[tall echo]

I will shoot you if you try

[radiant pier]

I will strap you to a slow opening door in my community Gauss Prime race

[queen shale]

Or just a plot in general I want something surrounding him as a character

[old wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/таинственноедерево-мдроедерево-25-дерево-тебе25-gif-26895001

[fast dew]

Woe Titania prime upon you

[radiant pier]

I already used that window titania prime race threat

[tall echo]

woe, grendel upon you

[fast dew]

He has a bit

[radiant pier]

gotta switch it up yk?

[old wharf]

What... What is that spell?

[tall echo]

-# grendel can actually be faster than gauss if you know how to physics well

[tall echo]

neutral special

[fast dew]

All that stuff as Ordan, the few quests where he's more involved [octavia's anthem from memory]

[restive river]

Titania:

[old wharf]

Grendel eats children

is that why he's so fast?

[restive river]

Maybe Orokin ones

[fast dew]

Gauss is shocking slow compared to a few other frames lol

[tall echo]

and grendel can't smack into doors

[queen shale]

I know he has lore I just want a good quest focused on him, maybe something more direct

[dark compass]

His speed isn't real

[tall echo]

or walls

[restive river]

Yeah but he feels fast and that’s cool

[radiant pier]

I need to collect all the prime speed frames

[stiff fable]

I approve of this slander

[tall echo]

fun thing, grendel can wall jump in meatball form

[restive river]

Ok but it was a speed contest not an avoid the door contest

[radiant pier]

next up is Grendel, then Gauss, then Titania, then Volt, then Uriel

can Zephyr Prime move fast

[restive river]

Wukong’s in there too

[tall echo]

I do not

[old wharf]

So, is gauss faster than Volt now?

[dark compass]

Insanely fast

[old wharf]

That's what I've been thinking about

[radiant pier]

does anyone see anything in this message

[dark compass]

Max duration zephyr has more acceleration than Gauss

[restive river]

He’s faster if Volt uses Speed

[radiant pier]

I can't see anything, must've been the wind

[tall echo]

well if the gauss and volt are both affected by the speed then gauss is faster

[restive river]

Wait
Did I send something?? What???

[old wharf]

that one?

[fast dew]

I unfortunately do not like the floatyness of Zephyr 💔

[dark compass]

Her acceleration scales with duration for some reason

With the new arcanes she's faster than ever

[tall echo]

I wanna see how fast my gauss can be but can't find a volt to help

[old wharf]

Bro, cloning the On-Lyne Boys was smart

[fast dew]

You shall never know ig 😭

[old wharf]

they got easy money, and they didn't have to pay anyone

[radiant pier]

are you about to explain to me Zephyr's whole kit

[dark compass]

If you want to

[restive river]

I’m scared, did Wally hack my system 😭

[radiant pier]

yes please

[old wharf]

turkey vayhek

yes

[dark compass]

Not in lore channel though

Also let me clock in first

[radiant pier]

I haven't seen a single Zephyr Prime in my 77 days of playing

[old wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721821486599503937/1309797609627582535/Horse.gif

[tall echo]

honse

[radiant pier]

imma go charge my phone and pass out see you in a bit

[old wharf]

hon

[restive river]

honkse

[tall echo]

honhonhon

[dark compass]

Bye

[fast dew]

He's always there ducky :)

[tall echo]

oui oui baguette

[old wharf]

bro wth is this chat

[restive river]

Oh yeah I have a piece of him :)

[stiff fable]

You've never played with me then

[fast dew]

I got. Finger in a jar

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/adventure-time-fart-sup-jake-jake-finn-gif-24842251

Me with Wally

[fast dew]

I imagine so

[dark compass]

Was there ever any explanation as to why rogue voidrigs on Deimos get quirky at night?

[lean garden]

they hate one worm and love the other

(I forgot, might be in HoD)

[dark compass]

Bad sleep schedule

[potent trout]

nice

[radiant pier]

is your zephyr fast

[stiff fable]

yup

[radiant pier]

demonstrate

[dark compass]

https://youtu.be/HC_bRrNzO4Q
@radiant pier

[strange plinth]

title acting like gauss isn't one of the slowest speed frames

[dark compass]

He has reputation

It's a lore channel

He's the fastest in lore

[strange plinth]

mm, fair

[radiant pier]

why's Marie offline

[tall echo]

Ran out of convos

[radiant pier]

how do I get more

[restive river]

Reset

[radiant pier]

you're kidding

[fast dew]

You just finished her chats lol

[radiant pier]

flare's too?

[fast dew]

You didnt mess up i don't think, depending on what her profile says

[radiant pier]

that's kinda sad

[fast dew]

Yeah it gotta come to an end sometime

[restive river]

The Hex iirc are the only ones to receive new chats

And if they’re still thinking about it they’ll be the only other protos to get another update later due to the spend time mechanic / captura dated

[idle fog]

is there anything in this game that is basically a reality bending god

[strange plinth]

not really, no
closest thing is the man in the wall, n he's a long way off of being a deity

[celest needle]

~~Follie ~~/j

[fast dew]

Not particularly

[dark compass]

Me

[clever linden]

Wally

Also known as the “Chaos-God of Indifference”

[fast dew]

No, no

[clever linden]

Jk he’s not known as that, I’m just a 40k fan so I see him that way

[fast dew]

Don't make bullshit up

This is how misinformation is spread

[clever linden]

Chill

[strange plinth]

not a deity, nor is he particularly reality-bending

[ashen pulsar]

they have a point tho

[clever linden]

He’s the closest thing to her request

[ashen pulsar]

“no” is the closest thing to the request

[clever linden]

I was always planning on typing the “jk” part, he just rushed me

[strange plinth]

which was acknowledged earlier
but outright saying 'yea this is it' is not the same

[clever linden]

U really gonna say Wally doesn’t warp reality?

[ashen pulsar]

not really

he can make weird finger dudes

[strange plinth]

the void warps reality more than wally does
which still isn't that much

[clever linden]

The sudden deserts in Albrech’s labs?

[ashen pulsar]

that’s not really him, and that’s about as reality warping as nova’s portals

[fast dew]

Thats moreso the void

[clever linden]

That’s also an example cus that’s also void power

[ashen pulsar]

the void doesn’t have a physical shape

[fast dew]

Wally can't really do anything

[pale cedar]

Gods are overrated
Embrace demons

[ashen pulsar]

so you can just put void in anywhere

[fast dew]

Hes. Tied to the chains of cause and effect just like us

[clever linden]

He gave us our void powers

[strange plinth]

push this section of Great Indifference over that section of the labs, and there's a desert there now
labs which may or may not already be in the void, so.

[ashen pulsar]

not void power, just void

[pale cedar]

I remember seeing someone ask why can’t you put Extractors in the Void

I was like where would you even park it?

[dark compass]

There's a huge difference between "warps reality" and "slowly leaks through a hole"

Almost all consequences of Wally doing anything are within places that have been directly open to the void

Not the void actively opening a path

Wally wouldn't have even existed the way he does without someone else making an opening

[pale cedar]

Was always in the Void
Wally just did domain expansion

[opaque zenith]

In very technical terms:
For the reality bending there's kullervo that made an Island for himself
For the god part, there's warframes inspired by deities legends (Wukong, Nezha,... Gauss)
But both... Limbo is more like changing the "interactbility" of the objects in the reality, so no god-God afaik

[clever linden]

What does he do once on the other side of the hole? Nothing?

[dark compass]

All he can do is "hey kiddo" us and only because we're a walking void chunk

We don't know what he's capable of realistically

[clever linden]

He also gave us our powers which have changed the course of history multiple times

[dark compass]

Finger is severed, severely limiting the capabilities and bounding the creature to some of our rules

[clever linden]

Not to mention Kuva which has done the same

[pale cedar]

He can only go into our Orbiter by tethering onto us

[opaque zenith]

Hear me out, incarnon extractors, every 3 extractions it activates and you can either put in the void or double your resources somewhere else that you put it

[strange turtle]

Kuva isn’t specifically him, it iust so happens you can get it from his fingers too

[strange plinth]

even kullervo's island is most likely just CE
and it was in the void, which. isn't exactly normal reality

[dark compass]

Yeah Kullervo's hold is just CE

[clever linden]

What a twisty coincidence

[dark compass]

Even his jailer is a legally distinct Ballas

[clever linden]

I’m sure it isn’t that blood he mentioned being taken from him

[strange plinth]

he never mentioned blood iirc?
just flesh and fingers

[clever linden]

What’s within flesh?

[opaque zenith]

That's why technical terms. It's a reality that was bended after he appeared

[fast dew]

Not blood for wally, clearly

[strange turtle]

Interstitial fluid

[pale cedar]

Kuva isn’t even related to Wally the Void is just used as a battery for Kuva stuff

[clever linden]

“Fluid” warmer…

[tall echo]

Wall of bone

[dark compass]

Void is essentially an energy source, that's why we shove argon into everything

[pale cedar]

Wally doesn’t ever mention Kuva just speaks to us after we take it

[strange plinth]

the fingers we do see don't seem to bleed
nor was the blood ever mentioned, you're implying it was there

[strange turtle]

Damn it’s such a shame my hand got cut off

[clever linden]

I got several people typing just cus I mentioned fluid lol

[dark compass]

How is Kuva involved in all of it

[strange turtle]

I really miss all the blood that was in my hand. Not much else it was good for tbh

[opaque zenith]

But I'm just playing with semantics here I admit

[pale cedar]

Argon fridge when?

[clever linden]

Liquid is within body parts

There is a giant machine extracting “red stuff” from a giant finger in the Zariman

Wally said his flesh was stolen

It’s right there in front of you

[strange turtle]

Blood isn’t flesh

[strange plinth]

argon apparently being needy when every other void-related item can stick around with trace amounts of void is incredible

[fast dew]

How do you think they had kuva before the zariman reappeared

[strange turtle]

He also hasn’t mentioned the blood itself, once

[strange plinth]

-# or before they had the void, at all

[clever linden]

I don’t

[strange turtle]

Only the fingers and flesh

[dark compass]

All this talk is making me hungry

[fast dew]

Well. They did

[pale cedar]

Kuva existed before Wally or the Void was explored

[clever linden]

wtf is that red stuff then?

[dark compass]

I still don't get how Kuva is involved

[fast dew]

Are you sure its not just refining it lol

[strange plinth]

kuva liches, requiring kuva to make, being unlocked after war within, long before the zariman returns:

[dark compass]

Continuity was a thing even before orokin truly rose as gods

[clever linden]

It’s a big needle

[dark compass]

And void was discovered long after they became as such

[fast dew]

There's multiple types of kuva btw

[clever linden]

To extract

[fast dew]

And. So why does kuva exist before it then?

[dark compass]

I still don't get how Kuva is related to this whole conversation

[strange plinth]

it isn't

[dark compass]

Timelines don't match

[strange plinth]

we've pivoted

[dark compass]

I'm pivoting to a lunch break

[clever linden]

Cus they can extract it out of the air somehow idk but that’s canon

[fast dew]

Im pivoting to. Eating my mac n cheese

[clever linden]

Probably just a gameplay farm thing

[dark compass]

With bacon

[strange plinth]

so, therefore, they would have kuva before the zariman returned

[dark compass]

Don't forget the bacon Thomas

[fast dew]

Its actually ham that I cooked like bacon but yk

[pale cedar]

I’m pivoting to doing more lore stuff because I am powered by lore

[dark compass]

Good enough

[strange turtle]

Kuva, like I said

[clever linden]

Which doesn’t even make sense cus why tf can they extract Kuva out of thin air

Kuva Grineer’s presence on the Zariman actually makes sense

[fast dew]

You're looking at the void lol

[strange plinth]

where'd the orokin even get kuva to begin with
it wasn't the void, nor wally, as it predates both

[pale cedar]

Void and sense don’t go together

[dark compass]

Kuva is harvested with weird air collectors

[clever linden]

Where do they say it predates the void exploration?

[dark compass]

The tubes

[pale cedar]

There’s tech to collect Kuva

[clever linden]

Which doesn’t even make sense and I don’t think they ever explained it

[fast dew]

Said Mac n cheese w ham btw

[dark compass]

Roathe talking about how continuity was a thing even long before orokin were seen as gods.

[clever linden]

Off topic

[dark compass]

You need Kuva for continuity

[fast dew]

Yeah but i cooked a banger dinner

[strange turtle]

An entire speech where Albrecht describes Orokin society while talking about the buildup to his void expedition

[strange plinth]

albrecht's first log implies the orokin were 'deathless and immortal' before he broke in to the void

[dark compass]

And that yes

[pale cedar]

Just because something isn’t explained to you doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist as not everything needs to be explained

[clever linden]

Ok, they did it with other tech

No mention of Kuva still

[fast dew]

What other tech???

[clever linden]

So are jellyfish and lobsters

[strange turtle]

That is specifically why Kuva is valuable

[dark compass]

Golden mac and cheese...

[fast dew]

Good lord

[strange turtle]

Humans aren’t jellyfish

[clever linden]

Or blue

[dark compass]

I ordered some fastfood

[fast dew]

I have warm lights so it does look more golden than in reality

[clever linden]

But hey things happen

[dark compass]

Are you happy

[strange turtle]

Tattoos

[fast dew]

I am, go eat

[strange plinth]

we know the orokin aged due to war within
it was still an issue, and they avoided it via continuity. kuva, prior to the void

[clever linden]

Some may even say genetic engineering if you want to be bold

[pale cedar]

What does gold taste like?

[fast dew]

Bad

[strange turtle]

No, we know it’s tattoos

[clever linden]

So far i haven’t seen any actual mention of that

[dark compass]

There's a refacia kit we can buy

[fast dew]

Albrecht exists as a white ass dude

[dark compass]

Something something orokin sharpie bath

[pale cedar]

Needle

[clever linden]

I bet the longer arm is too

[strange turtle]

Advanced bs tattoos, but still not modifying their genes or anything. You can buy the kit for it when you max out a Focus school

[fast dew]

Wow look at this distinctively non blue orokin

[strange turtle]

You would

[dark compass]

He's red for an amazing reason

[pale cedar]

I see some blue on that face

[clever linden]

Looks like a syringe

[fast dew]

Like... a needle. Which... guess what tattoos are done with...

[clever linden]

Almost like he did that on purpose or something

[fast dew]

A hollow needle...

[clever linden]

Same way you do genetic injections

[fast dew]

Good lord.

[clever linden]

And how you extract Kuva out of the suspiciously large not-Wally finger,

[fast dew]

That finger is a copy of his finger

Its hardly one of the originals, we do not know where those are.

[dark compass]

If anything

If there's Kuva attached to the finger, it may be here to just keep the finger fresh

[fast dew]

Its directly grineer tech

[dark compass]

Kuva is like oil

[clever linden]

Nobody seems to actually know what’s going on here.

A while ago I asked “is Luva Wally’s Blood?” Everyone responded “YES!” With no doubt. Now I’m being told the opposite. I feel like I’m being gaslighted

[dark compass]

I wonder if you can cook with it

[strange plinth]

-# Teshin: "A Yuvan theater, long abandoned. In ages past, I would have stood guard as the young and exotic were paraded through the mountain pass and marched by the viewing pane. They'd barter here, the Orokin. Withering and coughing- as they prepared for their Continuity."

-# "It began long before us, we who now live our perfect and dull, endless lives. It began long before these moon-palaces and body-markets hurling around our golden sun. It began long before our light-coil thinkers, our radiation wars, our oil, smoke. It began with us. The continuity and its twin, wanderlust. The need for unseen shores deep in our marrow. No judge, jester, queen, or king can escape this old blood. We are nomads, eternal. And when no ocean, mountain, or sky could contain us... our gaze hungered star-ward. Afar, they mocked us with their brittle light. Winking and jeering like dangling Ayatans, forever out of reach, illuminating the truth: immortal as we are - we die with the sun. That's where I come in."
the orokin are immortal, using continuity to hop into other bodies, but they'll still "die with the sun." so albrecht finds a solution via the void

[dark compass]

I'm surprised someone said that

[fast dew]

Because people can be mostly wrong.

[dark compass]

People can be wrong

[clever linden]

Looks very grineery to me

Not

[fast dew]

Yeah thats kuva grineer lol

[dark compass]

Seems very much Kuva Grineer to me

[strange plinth]

no that, that looks like grineer tech
its a little pink, but the shapes are grineer

[fast dew]

Orokin tech looks different

[clever linden]

If anything it looks like it’s made out of the same grey Zariman material

[fast dew]

We can see the difference

.. what.

[clever linden]

.. what.

Stop acting like that

Please

[strange turtle]

It’s literally right next to the Zariman material, they’re not even the same shade of grey

[strange plinth]

that doesn't look like the angel metallic material nor any of the zariman materials??

[fast dew]

Are you gonna tell me that the gunmetal grey of the machine is the same as the void corruption or

[clever linden]

Aren’t there 50 of those

[pale cedar]

Looked for a single message with what you just said and couldn’t find it

[clever linden]

Also why don’t we destroy that device if it’s grineer???

[fast dew]

Are you gonna break a possible needle inside a person's arm?

[dark compass]

That is the best cheeseburger I've ever eaten

[fast dew]

We don't know what that machine is doing and what could happen if it breaks

[dark compass]

It's the finger spider

[clever linden]

Cus they are stealing a massive amount of not-Kuva from the not-finger

[dark compass]

It spiders the finger

[fast dew]

I could go for a cheeseburger

[fast dew]

And you know theyre stealing kuva from it how

[clever linden]

We broke a forest-poisoning Grineer machine and nothing bad happened

[fast dew]

[strange plinth]

those are. very different
we know what the forest-poisoning grineer machine is, what its doing, and how
we don't know what the machine is doing, or if breaking it could make the situation worse

[clever linden]

You’re right they’re actually injecting not-Kuva into the not-Wally finger cus they are actually Grineer rebels, they aren’t doing what worm queen wants, which is taking Kuva and bringing it to her, they are doing the opposite, they are putting a massive amount of not-Kuva into a random not-Wally massive finger for fun

Come on

[fast dew]

I would imagine breaking the finger would be a very bad idea

[strange turtle]

Forests aren’t magic fingers from strange otherworldy entities

[strange plinth]

when did it become a not-wally finger
that's. a replica finger. that's a known thing

[clever linden]

Uh I thought we agreed the Zariman reliquary drive is not Wally’s finger?

[twin wigeon]

they arent, yea

[dark compass]

Oh I think ive found the explanation for the finger spider

[fast dew]

void source thats contained
kuva utilises the void for its continuity function
run kuva through a void source so its been void amped

Ngl this seems more simple

[strange turtle]

It’s not the original, it’s a replica

[dark compass]

From the codex

[pale cedar]

No, we said it isn’t the original finger he wants

[fast dew]

Oh?

[strange turtle]

The fingers copy themselves

[dark compass]

And what it does

[clever linden]

Simple in what way

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/lie-detector-lie-wrong-no-no-way-gif-43427437960130531

[fast dew]

Doesnt need to ignore other ways of gathering kuva

[dark compass]

Kuva Trokarian codex entry:

The Worm Queen's early presence aboard the Zariman has aided her troops' defenses. Through Reliquary tampering, The Worm Queen has bestowed these troopers with a miniature Kuva Trokar to disrupt transference.

[twin wigeon]

nuh uh, the zariman finger isn't the original

[dark compass]

They're messing with the relic to attack us

[strange plinth]

Cavalero: "Hey, Yonta. How many of those big finger-relics are out there, d'you think?"
Archimedean Yonta: "Well... fewer than there used to be. So long as the originals are still safely sealed away, of course."

[pale cedar]

You said it isn’t the finger at all

[clever linden]

Impossible idea: the Zariman reliquary drive is Wally’s finger, the grineer are extracting Kuva from it, as has been done in the Orokin times

Crazy I know

[fast dew]

Delightful.

[dark compass]

So basically it's just a disruptor for us

[twin wigeon]

did nott

[dark compass]

That's how trokarians can untransfer us

[fast dew]

So its just using kuva to tamper with our transference. Easy as that.

[pale cedar]

It’s a replica so it is still Wally’s finger

[dark compass]

Yep

[fast dew]

Not doing literally anything else

[dark compass]

Directly weaponized

[twin wigeon]

its just not the original

[clever linden]

Where did I say i ignored them

[strange plinth]

except that. wasn't being done in orokin times?

[clever linden]

Yes obviously

[pale cedar]

But you directly said
“They aren’t, yeah” which isn’t true

[dark compass]

Oops wrong message

[clever linden]

They just put Wally’s finger in a trophy room and took nothing from it

[dark compass]

I just found an explanation

[strange plinth]

it was powering the VOID reliquary DRIVE
like the railjack's

[clever linden]

Idk what Wally is talking about “flesh taken” like, what

[strange turtle]

You’re focusing on the idea of them being blood because you can get it from his fingers, but it can also be gathered from the air, and it can pop out the ground too

[fast dew]

You're insisting that the way to gather kuva is through Wally's fingers. You do not accept its existence before Wally's finger existed. Ergo you refuse to acknowledge the other way kuva is discovered

[dark compass]

Severed finger...

[fast dew]

The reliquary drive..

[strange plinth]

same thing, whatever /s

[fast dew]

The singular entrati looking reliquary drive

[dark compass]

Flesh taken is the finger that Orokin continued to use in tech.

Spider Kuva thing is here to power trokarians as per the game codex

Everything seems pretty clear cut

[clever linden]

They Mine Kuva from the ground too?

Also I don’t see how the air Kuva couldn’t also be residue made by the finger, spread across the system

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[strange turtle]

How would it get out

[strange plinth]

how would it be there pre-zariman return

[strange turtle]

And why would it be gas

[dark compass]

Finger farts...

[clever linden]

Void is all across the system due to the void heart, for one

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Consider that conceptual embodiment doesn't particularly like existing outside the void, and if its from wally [conceptual embodiment], it wouldnt be able to exist outside the void

[strange turtle]

Yeah, Void, not fingers

[clever linden]

Why is it even air anyways

[fast dew]

Its. A gas

Its just a different state of matter