lore-discussion

[dark compass]

And by stupid people

[restive river]

Aka whatever Marvel’s been doing

[dark compass]

Rip Roathe's plant

[pale cedar]

Which is usually the case

[fast dew]

Theres. 7 games, 6 books and countless lore questions answered by the devs over 25+ years

Which. They also never explain what is canon or not either

[restive river]

On one hand… Roathe….
On the other hand… innocent plant…
Yeah I’m makin’ a deal with wallboy to save that plant

[fast dew]

And the devs contradict themselves a lot

[rigid compass]

I think warframe just uses it for drifter right? They acknowledge eternalism but say that u cant do anything with it cause u cant access other timelines without the void but operator does and thats how u get drifter

[restive river]

It’s like time travel lol

[fast dew]

Eternalism is

Accessible in doom. Readily so

[rigid compass]

Kinda like Warhammer

Just a bunch of crazy bs

[fast dew]

Yeah. Yeah.

I am so jealous of you warframe lore enjoyers

[restive river]

Drifter and Baro’s deal
It exists but we largely can’t access it, it seems only Wally knows how to presently

[rigid compass]

🪞

[restive river]

And kinda Unum ig cause her whole
Deal

[dark compass]

I like dark souls way of doing it

[rigid compass]

Oh yeah the quills

[fast dew]

I am but. Alas not enough

[restive river]

How’d they do it

[fast dew]

I like that doom makes the skins canon

[restive river]

Yeah they have Unum who can see and guide us down branches

[dark compass]

Everyone is the player of its own timeline, and you enter other people's worlds as a ghost by the means of leaving your imprint on the world which is literally splitting itself apart and unravelling

[restive river]

Crazy how the Narmer Invasion was part of Saya’s best future btw

[dark compass]

.

Your impact left is a trace to you and the events that transpired

[rigid compass]

Are warframe skins canon🤔
I hope so cause otherwise base wisp bald asf

[fast dew]

Because. Doomguy is an anomaly, he pulls the timelines together by his presence and makes them "clip" over each other, hence the skins in eternal

[rigid compass]

Prob a constant

[ocean geyser]

Only some are

[restive river]

So basically if I keep joining games I’m slowly ripping the world apart

[dark compass]

More like using it to your advantage

[normal mountain]

Depends on the skin
Imo Tennogen ain't, but most of the deluxe skins are

[restive river]

Like the Orokin (maybe) and the Infestation

[dark compass]

No active harm unless you go out of your way to kill others

[ocean geyser]

Like
Certain helmets are canon, like if they’re in the leverian
Deluxe skins usually have lore

[restive river]

Ooo neat :]

[ocean geyser]

Not all of them, but some do

[restive river]

I’d say all alt helms are canon

[ocean geyser]

Like Yareli Pandea, Sevagoth Glaukus and Hydroid Rakkam

[dark compass]

Because as much as others can find you by your own left trace, you can find your way to others for... Some... Loot

[restive river]

Omg they were roommates

[ocean geyser]

Hunhow fr found a trashed Yareli and turned her into a mushroom

[rigid compass]

DIGITAL EXTREMES MAKE LEVERIANS FOR EVERY FRAME AND THOMAS' LIFE SAVINGS ARE YOURS

[normal mountain]

There are a couple "What If...?" type skins, like the Sentient built ones
But other than that, I think all of them are canon

[dark compass]

And attack them in a pvp encounter

[fast dew]

A clam

[restive river]

I swear we will get a Garuda one this year

[fast dew]

He turned her into a clam

[rigid compass]

I just need my limbo

[restive river]

Garuda Leverian is the only way new Garuda lore could fit

[ocean geyser]

Hm that also makes sense
Although she always looked like
Water mushroom

[limber hull]

Yeah

[restive river]

Limbo got his own quest
He mathed too hard the end

[normal mountain]

Either that, or a Garuda Prime trailer

[fast dew]

Oh yeah we don't have a garuda deluxe dont we? I dont remember if we do.

Oh wait. No we do its ugly

[normal mountain]

Preferably both

[restive river]

Voruna Prime trailer narrated by Nitokh

[rigid compass]

And? Some of them already got their own quests i think

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think they make trailers for primes that already released unfortunately

[fast dew]

Voruna 😭

[restive river]

Not the leverian ones

[normal mountain]

...Garuda Prime trailer
Voruna Prime got Ballas narration

[normal mountain]

Hydroid disagrees

[ocean geyser]

Not every quest has lore pertaining to the frame itswlf

[rigid compass]

Do we know any of the seven? Also what are executors?

[dark compass]

You can track others and help them, you can track others and kill them, you can leave your trace to let them call you for help, you can leave your trace to let them challenge you to a fight. It's pretty neat. Dark souls is super deep with its incorporation of gameplay mechanics and story.
It's something a lot of people straight up ignore in favor of reading item description compilations on youtube lore essays, while more gameplay attuned parts of the setting are just left in the dust

[fast dew]

All of them.

[restive river]

Qorvex will prob have Albrecht :)

[ocean geyser]

The Seven are the Executors

[limber hull]

I really hope to see a qorvex prime/ Dante prime trailer

[normal mountain]

Probably
missed opportunity to get that with Xaku Prime

[fast dew]

Avantus, ballas, karrish, tormis, tuvul, Nitokh, and scarne

[limber hull]

Xaku would've gotten the entrati family or maybe father

[ocean geyser]

Haven’t you played Old Peace bro
Or talked to Roathe at all

[fast dew]

Id rather a grandmother narration

[normal mountain]

Dante Prime trailer will likely have Drusus in it

[fast dew]

She seemed closer

[restive river]

So there’s the seven executors and the seven emperors
We don’t know anything about the emperors other than they existed and aren’t the executors
The executors are as follows;
Ballas
Avantus
Karrish
Tuvul
Nitokh
Tormis
Scarne

[pale cedar]

@proper star Why didn’t you narrate Garuda Prime trailer?

[restive river]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[fast dew]

Nooo see ducky we should've had grandmother

[rigid compass]

Yeah ik ballas was in the carriage said to have one of the seven but I thought it was just they thought it was one of the seven

[ocean geyser]

Nitokh real,?

[restive river]

He probably would not narrate for Dante since he didnt make him

[rigid compass]

This is what I was asking

Arent they different

[ocean geyser]

There are
Statues of the Seven
In Tauron Academy

[dark compass]

Loid would narrate Dante because they were best friends

[normal mountain]

Dagath Prime
I'm certain

[ocean geyser]

Giant ass golden statues

[rigid compass]

Mentioned in old peace

[restive river]

The executors and emperors are different yes

[limber hull]

The highest ranking orokins, some of them are dead and some others aré left in mistery

[ocean geyser]

Nitokh real in this server*

[fast dew]

Mystery and yeah

Most are dead.

[dark compass]

God I love dark souls lore but hate discussing it with the community

[rigid compass]

And arent the executor below the emperors who are the seven

[fast dew]

Only 3 are unknown

[ocean geyser]

I just told you the Executors are the Seven

[fast dew]

I love doom but the community is predominantly made up of lobotomites. Though thats an insult to lobotomites. Theyre smarter than that.

[restive river]

They serve the emperors but it seems like its more of a
The executors are the real ones in charge and the emperors are just chilling in luxury

[restive river]

It is confusing since there’s seven of both lol

[fast dew]

Anyways time to make 2 minute noodles in my doom bowl™

[normal mountain]

So,
Old Star Wars Empire backstory

[rigid compass]

Oh so the executor are the seven and the emperors are above them

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[limber hull]

The executors also controlled laws and decided wars and fate of many

[normal mountain]

Neat

[dark compass]

In dark souls case it's just a topic that got drained by content creators so 99% of discussions are by people who don't know anything and just argue for their favorite youtuber's theory

[fast dew]

Oh, same. Its horrible

The devs actively make it worse too

[dark compass]

And since most souls loretubers barely play the game, half the storytelling is lost because these games are super interlinked with gameplay narratively

[pale cedar]

We actually know how many laws the Orokin had

[proper star]

I was busy... doing something

[normal mountain]

[pale cedar]

So you telling me you just outsourced it?

[proper star]

Ballas wanted the fame and Roathe was free

[pale cedar]

Why did Ballas have so much free time?

[rigid compass]

Where can I find lore about the executors and emperors?

[strange turtle]

But also Roathe mentions certain stuff + they don’t come up ever, but Grandma talks about them like normal, so they might be like, figurehead rulers/puppetsc to some degree

Roathe: And for all of its grievous sins, rank and order were never questioned. Not amongst the military - and not amongst the social structure. The Archimedeans obeyed the Orokin. The Orokin obeyed the Executors. The Executors obeyed the Emperors... well, at least in name

Roathe: This was a trait I saw in many of the poorest of the Executors and the Emperors - blind faith in only their own faultless and guiltless selves. I despised them for it and vowed I would never share such egotistical hubris.

Roathe: The Emperors, the deathless titular rulers of the Empire whose power was vested in the Executors, lurched awake on their dusty golden thrones. (RoatheStory3

[dark compass]

How so?

[fast dew]

They just. Say shit sometimes

Completely wrong shit

[pale cedar]

Quests
Stalker Codex
KIM

[fast dew]

"The whiplash is the first female demon" Hugo Martin we literally just had a female demon as the last final boss in doom 2016

[limber hull]

He kinda had everything in his direction. Time for war, love, experiments

[restive river]

We don’t have much about them at all really
Some stuff from Roathe

[rigid compass]

He had like 100000 servants he could do whatever he wanted

[pale cedar]

Even his VA seemingly has so much free time

[fast dew]

Imagine if Rebb just started saying shit that contradicts past lore

[dark compass]

Leave.. lore up to the marketing department?

[fast dew]

And now you understand why I do not trust devs

[fast dew]

Worse. That was from the creative lead.

[dark compass]

Ouch

[fast dew]

THEYRE INCOMPETENT

[dark compass]

Kind of funny how compared to that, Fromsoft has CEO as the one responsible for the lore and narrative

[strange turtle]

Not just a female demon. A central figure in the plot who appears throughout the game, being a human woman prior to her transformation

[fast dew]

LITERALLY

[dark compass]

Guy straight up writes/oversees all item descriptions

[fast dew]

Oh i also feel really bad for Olivia

She wasnt really a villain imo

[pale cedar]

I find noticed many people don’t know what a retcon actually is

[strange turtle]

So it’s not even like, a “oh he forgot because of how it looks”

[fast dew]

Just. A very unfortunate victim of hell's predatory nature

Girl wanted a new body after her entire spine got so messed up she got a. Titanium spine graft that. Hurts

Hell does what hell does best

[dark compass]

That's why I hate dnd warlocks. It's always a part of the hell pyramide you're always at the bottom of

[fast dew]

Like damn I know that Olivia looks pretty jank but still

[dark compass]

I like her skeletal mechanized body

[fast dew]

Mhm

She had. Severe scoliosis

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-shock-shocked-dead-jump-gif-15154227813236207344

She got a chiropractor from hell

[fast dew]

Worse one from the UAC

[dark compass]

Actually I think all chiropractors are from hell

So I'm still technically correct

[fast dew]

Shout out to the UAC

For. Covering up attempted war crimes

[dark compass]

It literally originated from a cult and has zero scientific basis

[restive river]

My kuva lich when I fail the requiem

[dark compass]

It only stuck because the creator was rich

[fast dew]

And shout out to doomguy for beating the shit out of the dude who wanted him to commit warcrimes

[restive river]

Didn’t the guy who founded it “discover it from a ghost” lol

[dark compass]

Yeah it's literally a cult

[fast dew]

Oh yeah so the UAC

I reckon they got pride month tho

[dark compass]

Do they like

[fast dew]

Turns the logo. Rainbow cuz its good for PR

[dark compass]

Promise to sacrifice more queer people that month

[pale cedar]

Can I commit a lore crime?
War crimes are overrated

[fast dew]

They might...

[dark compass]

UAC the type of company to put demon in Pride Month

[fast dew]

"Here at the Union Aerospace Corporation, we promise to include more LGBTQIAP+ community members in the Lazerus program :)"

[fast dew]

Drawing Samuel hayden in that shirt

Gay ass looking robot

What do you need those hip handles for

[dark compass]

[drifting lintel]

I know what you're thinking but probably for assembly

[fast dew]

Samuel hayden is what folk want Albrecht to be like

[fast dew]

They. Don't attach to much

[dark compass]

He doesn't need handles to carry those hips around

[fast dew]

They might only be here to even out the silhouette

[drifting lintel]

They would be handles to carry the legs separately from the rest of the body

[fast dew]

Theyre not attached to the legs 😭

[dark compass]

His legs are clearly the modular part

[drifting lintel]

Oh wait those are tubes in the chest

[fast dew]

No the

[drifting lintel]

He's a brain in a jar right?

[fast dew]

Handles on the side. With the grips

[fast dew]

Oh yeah. Half a brain at least

Hes missing 2 out of 4 lobes

[drifting lintel]

I thought the golden bands where they connect to the chest were meant to hint they were tubes

[dark compass]

There are very clear lines to increase grip strength

And it's shaped for a hand

[fast dew]

That would work if theyre smaller imo

Thinner at least

[dark compass]

Those are handles

[fast dew]

THATS WHAT IM SAYIN

[dark compass]

The form is a very dedicated handle

[drifting lintel]

some tubes to have large protrusions on them. They're called flow regulators

[fast dew]

True, but i wouldnt know why theyd be there

[drifting lintel]

They could be shaped as handles for easily swapping them out

[dark compass]

In this shape

[fast dew]

Cooling purposes feels

Incorrect for what that chassis is built to withstand

[dark compass]

The grip is in the opposite side

[fast dew]

He and the slayer are the only two to have ever gone through hell

[dark compass]

Actually it's layered on both sides

Those are definitely handles

[fast dew]

And. Came back

Gotta add that

Samuel also runs really cold

[drifting lintel]

They could also just be for lifting the big ass robot when he's incapacitated.

[fast dew]

26⁰c

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/pacifrisk-warframe-harrow-chassis-meme-gif-9719355613318736986

[drifting lintel]

For maintenance

[fast dew]

He runs at. 26⁰c

[twin wigeon]

this is some interesting wf lore

[fast dew]

Hes. Cold

[drifting lintel]

I'm American

[fast dew]

Uhh.

Cold. Very cold for a "human" body

[twin wigeon]

hi american, i'm ChillyMango

[dark compass]

Like a stale hamburger

[fast dew]

78.8⁰F :)

[drifting lintel]

78.8°f

[fast dew]

Not super freezing cold

But thats. Cool to the touch

[dark compass]

We talk about anything here

[drifting lintel]

I'm not that American

[twin wigeon]

80 is pretty hot?

[fast dew]

10⁰c whole colder than the normal body temperature

[fast dew]

Yeah, but in reference to the human body

[twin wigeon]

still pretty hot

its like a warm corpse

[fast dew]

96.8⁰f is the normal temperature of a human body

Give or take a few degrees

[twin wigeon]

18 degrees colder

[fast dew]

Mhm. Which feels like a lot

[drifting lintel]

I looked it up, apparently the brain operates faster in a colder environment, it's just that the rest of the body can't handle it.

[fast dew]

Meanwhile, his Maykr form runs at 40⁰c [104⁰f]

[drifting lintel]

Probably because of the hell/maykr plasma running through him

[fast dew]

Warmer, despite being a machine at the current time
-# maykes are machines

[fast dew]

Nah, he didn't use argent, he actively condemns it

Funny considering Samuel doesnt

[drifting lintel]

His maykr form didn't use it?

[fast dew]

Nup, transfiguration is actually normal

Its apart of their death cycle

[tall echo]

My body can
-# I can't handle any temperatures over 20c tho

[fast dew]

Only abnormal part is.

They cant die normally

When maykrs die, they transfigure

[dark compass]

It's a computer. Duh

[drifting lintel]

Your internal body temperature is still higher

[fast dew]

Only issue is, their mind cannot rejoin the maykr singularity

[dark compass]

(me drinking coolant)

[fast dew]

They're trapped in that body

Maykrs are. Mainly machines

[tall echo]

Source?

[drifting lintel]

You're alive

[tall echo]

Got any proof?

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

But. Yeah so Samur as a machine runs warmer than an average human

[drifting lintel]

You're talking to me right now

[fast dew]

Maybe its cuz of his big ol coat

Coat? Robes

[tall echo]

Exploiter moment

[tall echo]

That's not proof

[fast dew]

Also Samur is deadass just like that, its apart of the seraphim species of maykr

His. Aloofness, arrogance

Is. Deadass just how they all are

[normal mountain]

He's a Cephalon
That argument is invalid

[restive river]

Would you consider cephalons living beings?

They’re like. Copies of living beings essentially, or uploads ig
But they themselves are no longer biological, a human mind reduced to malleable code

[normal mountain]

I consider being sufficiently Infested to be dead
And Jordas was able to keep talking despite being sufficiently Infested

So no, being a Cephalon and talking is not enough proof to being alive

[normal mountain]

I do consider Cephalons to be living beings tho, yes

[restive river]

They don’t actually meet the scientific definition

But also fire can kinda meet the definition so :p

Actually
Could a cephalon reproduce?

[fast dew]

Their organs are vitrified

[restive river]

Could they share or create code with another or multiple cephalons to create a new concuousness

[normal mountain]

Good thing I don't use the scientific definition for living then

[restive river]

Ordis x Simaris when

[fast dew]

That exists

[normal mountain]

Nah
Suda x Simaris

[fast dew]

I know that exists.

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Any Cy ships?
aside from the Railjack, lolololololol

[twin wigeon]

noooo

no.

[dark compass]

me
I don't know

[fast dew]

Me too

[dark compass]

[normal mountain]

Hmmmmm

This sounds like something that should be fixed

[twin wigeon]

Jordas?

[fast dew]

Jordas and Cy...

[twin wigeon]

Ship and Captain

[fast dew]

Cute.

[normal mountain]

...nah, not Jordas
He got subsumed into the Infestation

[twin wigeon]

enemies to lovers

[normal mountain]

I hate that trope

[dark compass]

A cute murex he met during the tau missions

[rapid copper]

Sorry for the late reply, but yes

[normal mountain]

It would be nice if we could get Jordas unInfested

[restive river]

Nah
The straight ship is over
Time for glass yaoi

[rapid copper]

@strange plinth Sorry i left before continuing to discuss Duviri Paradox, but how is the Thrax related to the Tenno mentioned by the Tenshin? Not to mention, did the loop cause Drifter to forget who he was?

[normal mountain]

Nah
Yaoi is too mainstream now
Same with yuri

It'd be too predictable

[dark compass]

I don't think it's true-

[fast dew]

Hidden secret enby/enby term

Yuri... yaoi...

Yugioh....

[main arch]

Hold on. Something just hit me in the head like a hammer.

What if the contents in the vials Lavos is using are actually different forms of kuva?

[twin wigeon]

Thrax is a character embodied by Drifter as a result of Drifter wanting comfort during the void jump catastrophe with all the feral adults because Wally didn't give Drifter powers and instead "saved" the other kids

[fast dew]

No i think theyre just amphors like what Albrecht uses

[normal mountain]

Plus, Ordis already had his admiration of Simaris crushed to pieces in The New Strange
Putting them together now would just not work

[main arch]

My basis for this is the fact that it is only when Lavos was given the Cordatus helmet (his alt helmet) that he gained the power to transmute.

Another entity we know is powered by a liquid that gives them elemental powers and valence are Liches.

[rapid copper]

Oh right, he mentioned to the Operator that he wasn't saved at the ship

[fast dew]

... amphors. The thing that helps alchemy in alchemy missions...?

[main arch]

The idea is that the vial on his helmet specifically isn't an amphor in the Deimos Alchemy sense, but rather a vial for kuva.

[twin wigeon]

Drifter grew up in Duviri, until they hit an age where the kiddy kingdom they created was too childish, they simply outgrew Duviri. Duviri was a story afterall it was never meant to be expanded on.

Thrax didn't want to lose his friend and got mad, thus killing the Drifter over and over and over again until they had no life outside of constant executions.

[normal mountain]

Plot twist: amphors also contain kuva /j

[main arch]

And thus the kuva gives him powers like how other warframes have powers, but to a limited extent.

Allowing him to fill the rest of his vials with actual amphor elemental contents.

[restive river]

Nah, yaoi is more mainstream than yuri
Suda x Yonta

[twin wigeon]

It's to be assumed that these executions occured for several years maybe thousands but the thing is they had no interactions, no help, nothing. Death by death they forgot to feel emotions.

[normal mountain]

...I might accept that one

[restive river]

ITS GOOD RIGHT

[normal mountain]

might

[restive river]

[main arch]

What about Kaelli on Deimos 💀

[rapid copper]

Wait so Duviri transformed to take in lost childs?

[twin wigeon]

Until one day, a meteor struck. Breaking the cycle of constant executions. A helping hand from outside that hell.

[rapid copper]

And that hand is the Operator

[normal mountain]

No
That hand was Sentient

[rapid copper]

Oh Lotus

That makes sense with her words during the black screen

[twin wigeon]

Nope Duviri was made as a childrens story aboard the zariman warning the dangers of self expression, and on the zariman it'd cause rogue conceptual embodiments

All the people there are also fake citizens of a fake world

[main arch]

...

[twin wigeon]

Natah, more specifically

[rapid copper]

But how was Duviri created in first place?

By the Drifter when he was trapped in the ship?

[main arch]

Wait a minute. What if Duviri is the result of the children being UNABLE to contain themselves with their emotions, including the Drifter, and boom. The Drifter's universe being a parallel what if scenario if the kids COULDN'T keep to themselves.

I worded the first half of the sentence weird, eugh.

[twin wigeon]

Aboard the zariman, while everyone had powers to combat the feral adults, Drifter was alone. Theywanted safety too, to be saved. So they created a world to hide in, based on their favorite story

[restive river]

Duviri is just from Drifter

[main arch]

Yeah ik it is. My idea was that looking at Duviri, the Zariman kids from the Drifter's iteration of the timeline may NOT have been able to control their emotions and prevent conceptual embodiment, and thus they went haywire.

[fast dew]

Theres the book made by Mother, and theres the world inspired by the book made by drifter

[rapid copper]

Ah make sense

[twin wigeon]

Drifter created a world in which They and Thrax ruled a kingdom. What more would a child want.

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment
strong emotions and concepts within interact with the void which results in said emotions and concepts being given form
Drifter was left alone on the ship, powerless, clinging onto the story of Duviri and their doll of Thrax

[twin wigeon]

Mother, Euleria Entrati, is the Narrator in Duviri btw

[restive river]

The kids from Drifter’s timeline were saved as per the deal.

[main arch]

They were, but does not necessarily stop the probability of the kids manifesting concept embodiments.

[twin wigeon]

Yeah they got saved by Margulis or smth after tthe Zariman was recovered

[fast dew]

Albrecht made the characters first, for only the delight of his daughter. Bedtime stories :)

[restive river]

No, but they weren’t there long enough and we know Duviri was made only when Drifter was alone

[twin wigeon]

aw thats cute and sad

[fast dew]

Ikr it hurts so bad

[rapid copper]

And i guess the Tenshin was manifested by the Sentient?

[main arch]

That is fair.

[restive river]

Not by Margulis but yes they were saved, likely a few days after the deal relative to realspace

[fast dew]

He also has the book in the netracells

[restive river]

[normal mountain]

I'm truly disappointed in how long it took me to catch on to that
Especially since Deimos and Duviri were strong constants in my return to Warframe

[restive river]

The Teshin in Duviri is our og Teshin

[twin wigeon]

After Teshin had his head clamped by Erra in The New War, his "corpse" fell into the void portal created by Ballas. So Operator, Natah, and Teshin were sucked in

[restive river]

He wasn’t a corpse

[normal mountain]

Remember
Erra's head crush is notorious for being non-lethal

[twin wigeon]

Thats why the Teshin in the cave has dementia or memory loss, likely bc the clamp damaged his brain

[restive river]

Operator fell into their own history
Lotus’ hand and Teshin fell into Duviri at different points
Teshin was nursed back to health by Mathila

[twin wigeon]

Thats why i said "corpse" and not corpse

[restive river]

What dementia/memory loss?

[normal mountain]

No, he's just old
Varzia got head-clamped too, and she's perfectly fine

[restive river]

Erra is like
The biggest failure ever lol

[twin wigeon]

she's nott fine, shes like... Freaky

[main arch]

Yeah nah Erra literally isekai'd our uncle Teshin into That One Time I Got Reincarnated As A Sage For Some Poor Punk Suffering A Loop Of Their Own Self Made Hell For Centuries ™

[rapid copper]

Hey leave him alone

He got brainwashed by Ballas

[restive river]

No he didn’t

[normal mountain]

Yeah
And she was probably always like that

[restive river]

He just got manipulated lol

[rapid copper]

I mean that sorry

[main arch]

Gonna patent this later.

[twin wigeon]

Erra did everything willingly bc he was manipulated

[main arch]

[rapid copper]

He thought he was doing the right thing

Freeing his people

But he was duped at the end

[restive river]

Erra is kinda really stupid

[rapid copper]

At least he made up for his mistakes by helping the tenno

[restive river]

Ah yes let me work with an Orokin, but not just any Orokin, one of the Seven!!

[normal mountain]

Same difference, tbh
End result is he didn't know what was actually going on

[restive river]

I wouldn’t say he made up for it but that did help a lot

[main arch]

Time has been vast since the sentients have gone to Tau. Back then they were a lot more to conventional machines.

You can't even say they had proper consciousness back then.

[restive river]

Yeah but if you’re brainwashed you have zero control, Erra was just being stupid

[rapid copper]

Tbh the biggest asshole in this game is Ballas

[main arch]

I do not think he would've readily known he was one of the 7 just because we see sentients in the Old Peace.

[restive river]

We can

You’re confusing the fragments and the whole sentients

[main arch]

He wasn't stupid. He was grief-blinded.

He didn't want to merely free his people.

He wanted revenge on the Origin System and the Tenno.

[rapid copper]

"Oh my Margulis has betrayed me once again, let me throw the whole system into chaos so she can kneel before me"

[restive river]

No he’s pretty stupid for working with Ballas

Like Hunhow was this dumb too, Ballas is just that manipulative lol

[normal mountain]

Tbf, his dad worked with Ballas
He was just following that legacy

[pale cedar]

Could say though
He did see the Erra in his ways

[restive river]

Yeah exactly, the men of their family got a few screws loose

[normal mountain]

And then there's the mother...

Who has no screws

[restive river]

We never met Praghasa ):

[rapid copper]

If he was stupid, then he would have run away alone without warning or saving the Tenno

[normal mountain]

We met her corpse

No screws left in that one

[rapid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/king-of-the-hill-no-head-shaking-bobby-hill-gif-14305321

[restive river]

Eh, no
He can wise up at the end and still have been stupid prior to that

[twin wigeon]

Lobotimized herself for her children

[fast dew]

Its in the nature of the orokin to be manipulative

[restive river]

And Hunhow

[twin wigeon]

and Hunhow

[rapid copper]

I feel like you are hating Erra for no reason

[fast dew]

He might’ve not even be stupid. The orokin are just smarter

[restive river]

I don’t hate him lol

[twin wigeon]

Ducky is Little Duck ofc they hate Erra

[rapid copper]

If he was stupid, then Ballas wouldn't make this far

[restive river]

Erra was heavily manipulated and made very poor decisions, I’m understandably going to look at that and call him stupid lol

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-little-duck-solaris-gif-21084918

[restive river]

He is a very smart individual but like many others he still made stupid decisions

[twin wigeon]

As a prince of a kingdom and impromptu general for the Sentients, he's really bad at war games

[rapid copper]

Sure, he made some dumb decisions, but to say he was stupid based on the whole thing is underestimate

[twin wigeon]

mans playing tic tac toe while the system is playing chess

[restive river]

I mean he was largely being pretty stupid lol

To trust an Orokin is a pretty dumb thing to do, I get he was manipulated but he should have known better

[rapid copper]

Sure. Keep coping

[restive river]

LOL sorry I don’t love your little buddy Erra

[rapid copper]

Let me ask you this

Would you do anything to work with the Orokin to save your people?

[restive river]

He was in a war with the Orokin, his father worked with one and now he’s at the bottom of a methane sea, he should have known better than to trust him

[rapid copper]

If you were in Erra's position

[restive river]

I wouldn’t work with the Orokin

Ballas shows up with my sister and I’m shooting Ballas and saving my sister :p

[rapid copper]

He knew the price, but he is willing to do it to save his people

[restive river]

Ah yes, gaslighting and manipulating his sister was clearly the play

Erra had good intentions and that’s good
But he made some incredibly poor decisions and the first one of those was trusting Ballas in any way at all

[rapid copper]

Idk why are we hating on Erra when it should be Ballas taking slander for this

Like Ballas nearly blew up the Sun for god sake

And we call Erra stupid?

[restive river]

Ballas isn’t automatically free of this just cause I’m talking about Erra lol

[rapid copper]

Ballas is the dumbest one

[restive river]

I don’t hate him but he is a flawed character

He’s not a perfect little blorbo because he was manipulated

[rapid copper]

I am not saying he is the perfect one

[restive river]

Between the two of them Erra is the better of the two, he saw the error (erra) of his ways and made an effort to change through sacrifice

[rapid copper]

Yes, he is dumb for trusting Ballas

[restive river]

You’re acting like I can’t criticize him just because he got manipulated lol

[rapid copper]

I can confirm that

[normal mountain]

And then got his head lopped off for his troubles

[rapid copper]

But is the goal of saving his people stupid?

[restive river]

I don’t hate him and he’s a flawed character

No???

His goal wasn’t stupid, who he put his trust in was stupid

[rapid copper]

At the end, he saw the mistake and decided to go against it

[ornate ridge]

They should do a wrestling plotline.

[restive river]

Yes, he did good

[restive river]

What lol

Atlas plotline

[rapid copper]

Man, i miss arguing about the lore

[restive river]

Why do you miss arguing

[rapid copper]

Because it's cool to see the debate from both sides

[normal mountain]

Atlas would be a boxer, no?

[rapid copper]

There is no right or wrong

[restive river]

He is a boxer yes

[normal mountain]

Wrestler would probably be Rhino
or Grendel

[restive river]

Do you mean discussion?
Cause an argument is different

Most people don’t want an argument but they do want a debate or discussion

[rapid copper]

Sorry, i meant discuss, yes

[restive river]

Ah
Yes I enjoy lore discussions too

[normal mountain]

Arguments get such a bad reputation
As long as everyone conducts themselves properly, an argument is perfectly fine

[restive river]

If they conduct themselves properly it’s not an arguement

[ornate ridge]

You heard me. I wanna see promos and finishers and all that.

[rapid copper]

Arguments are how you represent yourself in the debate

[restive river]

OOOOH
That’d be silly yeah

[normal mountain]

Ah!
See, that's exactly the problem!
The modern connotation of argument is so negative

[ornate ridge]

Anything can be an argument.

[fast dew]

.. debate

[rapid copper]

Except one

[normal mountain]

When really, it's synonymous with debate or discussion

[restive river]

The age of communication is so volatile 😔

[fast dew]

The term you're looking for. Is a debate

[rapid copper]

We can all agree Ballas is a bastard

Right?

[restive river]

Yeah

[ornate ridge]

What's insane is that apparently he wasn't the worst.

Or so Roathe claimed.

[fast dew]

According to Roathe's experience

[restive river]

I’m curious how they’ll do like
Nitokh or any of them
Ballas had a personal reason to hate us, to be that nasty to us
But Nitokh? We don’t know how she’ll treat us

[pale cedar]

I do think Roathe’s quote can be used back on him

[restive river]

Ballas as a villain was personal
But if Nitokh is one I wonder how they’ll go about it

[ornate ridge]

Ballas was absolutely personal.

[normal mountain]

It's actually not, but I only learned this later in life
Arguing didn't originally have the negative connotation it does now

But a point could easily be made that this has gone wildly off topic, so I'll stop now

[restive river]

Language does change tbf

[fast dew]

Like the word retcon

[pale cedar]

Roathe saying experience makes Ballas the worst for us

Roathe I can use the same logic to prove your logic wrong

[restive river]

Argument has a more negative connotation now and thus the meaning of the word is technically shifting and changing

[pale cedar]

People don’t even know what a retcon is half the time

[normal mountain]

Probably start with an objectively evil plot
Like restarting the Old War for funsies

[restive river]

True yeah

I hope she’s
Absurdly violent

[fast dew]

I hope its like

[restive river]

Like our first meeting with her is her covered in blood

[pale cedar]

There’s so many people who think DE expanding on the Infested to say they’re older than the Orokin is a retcon when that’s literally not a retcon because nothing prior stated the Infestation came after the Orokin

[fast dew]

Oh she's nice and pretty and oh my god she just ripped a dude's head off

[restive river]

I knew you were gonna mention that one lol

[restive river]

Omg she’s so ho—
Oh
OH
OH NO

and just like Ballas we’ll still have people thirsting over her :p

[pale cedar]

It’s the main one people use when there already is a valid retcon they can use

[restive river]

And factually more cause
Woman

[fast dew]

Like shed be literally satan and. "Shes hot tho!!!"

[normal mountain]

Tbf, people thought what Lotus said about Lephantis applied to all Infested
And people don't usually like admitting they were wrong
So they scream "RETCON!"

[fast dew]

Tbf roach got some people acting illogically

[restive river]

Yeah lmao
It’s dumb

[fast dew]

A lot. Actually

[restive river]

Yeah but he’s like
At least a sort of ally at least :/

[fast dew]

Something ive noticed about roathe defenders is that. They always use the redeemed ending

Like. Its weird to have the villain end yeah but

[ashen pulsar]

"I can fix her!"

[fast dew]

It still exists, and they ignore it

[restive river]

They say as she decapitates babies

[normal mountain]

"Before or after she fixes you?"

[ashen pulsar]

my tenno in dualism, there is no chance in HELL that you can fix her.

[restive river]

I don’t think you can fix fix Roathe either but
Yeah

[fast dew]

Its a valid ending, so. Bring that up next time you see a roathe defender

[restive river]

Roathe defenders when they remember he’s an Orokin:

Oh wait they arbitrarily don’t care because “he’s hot”

[normal mountain]

Only reasoning certain people need

[restive river]

Literally the worst reasoning ever lol

[pale cedar]

Something I do find weird is Drifter is the one saying Ballas is the worst Orokin when they barely saw any Orokin at all thus isn’t a reliable source for who is the worst

Drifter couldn’t even remember his name because reasons

[restive river]

Unless they got that info from the Operator which it’s still second hand info and thus not entirely reliable

[normal mountain]

They probably had a chat with Operator
And learned

[restive river]

Idk how much I’d trust Drifter’s childhood memories of the Orokin
At most maybe the sabotages due to Tuvul being his Orokiny self

[ashen pulsar]

can they see each other's memories

[normal mountain]

Either that, or those weird space-time shenanigans the universe pulls with Operator/Drifter synced their memories somehow

[restive river]

Good question

[normal mountain]

...which is what you said lol

[restive river]

We know one can view the other while they exist in the same spacetime but idk bout memories ):

[ashen pulsar]

now I'm imagining operator looking into drifter's mind... oh god

[restive river]

Sorry this is a bit confusing
They can’t exist exist in the same spacetime but when they try to one is in a void bubble

[normal mountain]

Now I have a funny thought about my Drifter taking the second half of the New War to sit back in the mindspace with some popcorn and a reel of the Operator's Best Hits

[restive river]

LMAO
That or they’re just vibing while they observe the trauma unfold

[ashen pulsar]

amir, I don't think you need to worry about eleanor seeing what you two did last night. Yuck. Ah. Oh god.

I really hope Eleanor couldn't feel what we did last night in her mind. Yuck. Ah. Oh god.

[ashen pulsar]

the 14 year old sees all.

[normal mountain]

[naive escarp]

Absolutely peak

[pulsar pendant]

what does this mean?

[dire current]

It means that you're likely going to have to reset the Devil's Triad, as you've gone through all the conversations you could but did not meet the conditions needed

[rare scarab]

is there any lore around the communication system in Warframe? Do They got system wide internet? Social Media?

not talking about 1999

[woven coyote]

Well there is some sort of "radio" as seen with nightwave and the intercepted transmissions we can catch

[rare scarab]

i heard somewhere that the 1999 virus literally broke the Internet with Onlyne perhaps thats just an idea

[stiff fable]

The actual communication system not really, but there is something called the cephalon weave

[drifting lintel]

Onlyne was an actual boyband so idk if they did it.

[strange turtle]

Not quite

[stiff fable]

Basically all the cephalons that still exist are loosely networked together

[strange turtle]

There was the Techrot, an early strain of Technocyte which could somehow spread or do something using stuff like wifi and radio and stuff, as part of it’s ability to interface with tech

[drifting lintel]

Does suda's corruption interfere with other cephalons then?
That would explain why simaris wanted her deleted.

[pale cedar]

It's only loosely not completely

So probably not

[strange turtle]

And then there’s the Technocyte Coda, Infested clones of the boyband Onlyne that their manager, Gregory V, intended to use for interviews and stuff

[strange turtle]

Not necessarily but it had the potential to spread

[rare scarab]

oh ya they has the ancestory of Alad V maybe

[strange turtle]

Simaris: "The Sentient has infiltrated Suda's mind. We must isolate and destroy her immediately before she corrupts the Cephalon Weave."

[rigid compass]

Nah he wanted her deleted cause she a bum

[dark compass]

They are also very different ideologically

Suda is all about observation and consiers herself peaceful

Simaris does research by killing a group of people 3928262563638 trillion times

They're both about research, but go about it in completely opposite ways

[rigid compass]

Gigachad simaris vs bum suda

I genuinely just hate suda and new loka so much

Like every other syndicate of the 6 is fine but those 2 are just garbage

[tall echo]

ah yes, the red veil is perfectly fine

[pale cedar]

“You are a waste and must be erased”

[tall echo]

I'm guessing you're on negative standing with those two specifically

[rigid compass]

No cost too great, no blood too precious.

[tall echo]

except they don't have a noble goal

the veil just kills for the sake of killing

[rigid compass]

The system must be cleansed through a great and violent purge

[tall echo]

parroting their speech doesn't make it right

[rigid compass]

Counter point they got palladino with W wares and are allied with steel meridian who are da GOATS

[rigid compass]

Exactly what a new loka aribater hippie would say

[dark compass]

New loka arent hippies

[tall echo]

if the ally system wasn't completely arbitrary meridian would be mortal enemies with veil

[rigid compass]

They are

[dark compass]

they send infested death squads, and are extremely xenophobic

[tall echo]

new loka are 1939-1945

[rigid compass]

They want a pure earth they pretty hippie

[dark compass]

they just have a veneer of being vaguely nature aligned, when their motto is "destroy anything that isnt clean and pure"

[rigid compass]

Idek hexis lore what is it?

[dark compass]

they consider anyone who is even remotely not "human enough" a target to kill

[tall echo]

you missed the point of at least 3 syndicates so far

[dark compass]

they want "purity" by killing everything that isnt

[tall echo]

final boss of media illiteracy potential

[rigid compass]

Ik still hippie though

[dark compass]

also they are extremely hypocritical

use infestation and hire us

and even then they have the audacity to call us "one of the good ones"

[rigid compass]

Exactly why I hope they get eradicated

[dark compass]

you know theyre a messed up bunch when both Ordis and his glitchy self are adamantly against working with them lmao

[rigid compass]

[rigid compass]

Again why the veil is the goat

Also goat veil got a main quest

[tall echo]

veil is a collection of edgelord who never grew up

[dark compass]

Ordis doubly so asks you to just drop silver grove quest to not work with new loka

[rigid compass]

I mean the whole veil was made to help rell

[tall echo]

and they completely forgot that purpose

[pale cedar]

Aren't New Loka just ecoterrorists pretending to be good guys

[tall echo]

the veil now just kills whoever they deem "corrupted" which is just anyone who disagrees with them

[dark compass]

They are partly made of Tenno. Enlightened centrists who think that warframes exist for more than violence, so they want you to achieve some abstract idea of self discipline by... killing things

[rigid compass]

The only good syndicate is steel meridian and Perrin sequence

[dark compass]

Hey, Suda is nice

[rigid compass]

The cephalon nobody invited

[pale cedar]

Steel Meredian are literally mercenaries

[rigid compass]

Protectors

Shhhhhhhhhhhh

[undone jacinth]

Perrin profit sequence 💀

[dark compass]

Steel Meridian give shelter to defective grineer, even if by defective they mean "peaceful"

that already makes them a lot better than most

[rigid compass]

I mean yeah but they say themselves that they seek profit like corpus just without exploiting people

Arguably better than irl companies

[tall echo]

and suda

[dark compass]

Glast has some good faith, but by that point its an argument for or against capitalism lol

[rigid compass]

Sark is better

[tall echo]

arbiters debatably, they're a bit dumb

[pale cedar]

Casually let Red Veil kidnap their brothers to torture them

[rigid compass]

Glast gambit son. Perrin is profit but better

[rigid compass]

I mean we not gonna talk about that but still better than plant bums

[dark compass]

Syndicates have very clear sides to them if you see how standing gain is balanced

Meridian, Suda, Arbiters
vs
Veil, Loka, Perrin

[tall echo]

meridian knows there's irredeemable grineer

[dark compass]

which side are you on

[rigid compass]

Defectors

Veil is known to torture defectors

Also there is no such thing as redeemable and irredeemably grineer

[dark compass]

summon a red veil crewmate to a mission and youll learn quite a lot

[rigid compass]

I.. dont have that yet

[tall echo]

there is

[dark compass]

they say a LOT of things

very insane things

[rigid compass]

There isnt bro. Its defective ones that leave.

[tall echo]

vor, regor, any of the high ranking grineer

[undone jacinth]

There’s only one right answer

[tall echo]

are they redeemable?

[rigid compass]

Average grineer aint redeemable no matter what according to current lore unless we assume that feeling rebellious mutates their loyalty gene allowing them to defect

Those guys all serve the queens

[tall echo]

non-defective grineer can still redeem, see kahl

[rigid compass]

@tall echo grineer are like anarch Dax they can fight each other but not their masters

[rigid compass]

Dude khal is defective

[tall echo]

source?

for both

[rigid compass]

FYM SOURCE HE LITERALLY RENOUNCES THE QUEENS

[dark compass]

dont grineer consider their own defects even if they simply dont have enough conviction

or dont want to fight

i imagine Kahl would count

[rigid compass]

Never heard of that, but the general definition of defective grineer is not following the queens which can also mean disobeying higher ranking grineer ig since that would mean not following the queens

[tall echo]

but before he was literally dying he was loyal

[rigid compass]

SON HE WAS LOYAL BECAUSE HE WAS TRAINED TO BE NOT CAUSE HIS GENES MADE HIM HE JUST REALIZED THAT HE AINT LIKE QUEENS

[tall echo]

what are you getting so worked up about

[rigid compass]

Normal grineer: has no choice, follows queens
Defective grineer: has a choice they follow the queens because thats all they know until they learn more and think screw them and leave

[rigid compass]

For the- heh. For my brothers.
This is literally all u need to hear to know hes defective

[twin wigeon]

Hes not defective

He’s Kahl

Also he has defected from the queens yes, all the grineer are trained and indoctrinated or wtvr since the day they leave the vat. Their obedience isn’t written into their genes but instilled into their minds, or at least that’s what I presume according to Cressa Tal’s dialogue in defection missions

[drifting lintel]

I wouldn't say that makes him defective just disillusioned

[tall echo]

they have a literal loyalty gene

[twin wigeon]

All grineer have gene defects, he isn’t a defective clone bc that’d imply he’s unfit to serve, he has defected from the queens or rebelled
But yes disillusioned for sure, afterall the queens left the grineer to die on the plains

[tall echo]

it breaks sometimes which is what results in most of meridian and kavor

[twin wigeon]

Mmm… then what’s kahl’s case?

If he’s able to go against his genes doesn’t that make him a defect

[drifting lintel]

Also he's not the only grineer to go against the queens. Have you played a break narmor mission?

[twin wigeon]

Yeah I have

[drifting lintel]

I was asking ceph

[twin wigeon]

Mb

[tall echo]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-crew-steel-meridian/

[tall echo]

why you asking me

[tall echo]

I was gonna filter through and copy paste every mention of loyalty gene and defect but that was too much effort

[drifting lintel]

Yeah if anything the steel meridian stuff you just sent proves they don't need to be defective to go against the queens.
It's difficult, like you're constantly undergoing withdrawals, but any grineer can.

[tall echo]

...ok I think you're misunderstanding something

I'm arguing that kahl wasn't defective

[drifting lintel]

Chilly was saying the same thing

[drifting lintel]

Literally right here

[tall echo]

yes

[twin wigeon]

Well more like 3 lines below that

[drifting lintel]

Then why were you arguing??

[twin wigeon]

But yeah

[tall echo]

I
wasn't

not with chilly

[drifting lintel]

Idk It just looked like y'all were

[tall echo]

I was only correcting chilly on the statement "their obedience isn't written into their genes"

[gleaming glen]

silly question, probably someone has already pointed this out before, but was there a reason behind Arthur singing The Unquiet Grave? i recognised it because of the Ween cover, but apparently it was in Penny Dreadful too. the rhythm and version of the lyrics Arthur sings seems to be a cover by Karliene from 2019

or maybe it's just because it's an English ballad. would make sense, knowing him. but i'm curious if any of the writers ever said anything about it

[stiff fable]

that's why

[gleaming glen]

lol well yeah. i was wondering if they watched Penny Dreadful. other than that just leaving it here as a neat fact ig

[stiff fable]

they probably did, they're big nerds

[tall echo]

they did make sure to find a song from 1999 called "into the void" for a short moment in a quest

[humble sierra]

It's not as though Nine Inch Nails is particularly niche though

[tall echo]

I didn't know about em until WitW

[glacial bough]

That would be more a matter of musical tastes

[odd junco]

is there a reason behind on why lua is called lua instead of just moon

[amber sleet]

Phobos, Deimos, Ceres, Sedna, and Eris are also technically moons I think

some of those might technically be dwarf planets actually I'm not up to date

[humble sierra]

The IRL name for it is Luna/Lua

[odd junco]

those names are the moons names (like our planet is Earth), so are you implying that our moon's name is Lua?

[odd junco]

oh ok

[humble sierra]

And yeah it would differentiate with all the other moons we get to visit

[fast dew]

Nah theres a gene thing that forces them to obey

[ocean geyser]

Lua means moon bro

[radiant pier]

Sol also means sun

[loud oriole]

wait til they find out what terra means

[restive river]

The third god…

[loud oriole]

-# poor terra got the Dagath treatment by the orokin

[restive river]

She got infested and nuked at least 18 times

[fossil timber]

Was the man in the wall before individualized by Albrecht entrati’s experiment, just the embodiment of the void

[rigid compass]

Thats what I said but his was defective so thats why he defects

Before that he obeyed just cause thats what he did

Not like he had any defective thoughts before that

[restive river]

We don’t know if he existed before Albrecht’s first expedition
He isn’t the embodiment of the void

[fossil timber]

interesting, so he is just a ancient cosmic entity? with void powers

idk because it would make sense since he gave the tenno “his gift” which was the void

[restive river]

From what we know and what’s hinted at Albrecht’s first expedition caused Wally, in some way, to be conceptually embodied

[restive river]

His gift was a piece of himself

[fossil timber]

Aboard the zariman, the tenno and wally made a pact no?

and the gift was the finger right

[restive river]

Yes, our deal
And no the gift was not the finger

[fossil timber]

What was the gift

[restive river]

The finger situation is due to Albrecht shutting the portal on Wally’s finger

[proper barn]

Albretch took the finger(s).

[fossil timber]

I see

[restive river]

The gift was a piece of himself

[proper barn]

Otherwise like we couldn't have the Zariman.

[restive river]

We don’t know what piece
Just
A piece

[proper barn]

How could the Zariman work if we didn't have void travel

[restive river]

I’m busy, you got this Vinny?

[fossil timber]

Yeah i didnt think that through lol

[proper barn]

Yee.

[restive river]

Ty

[proper barn]

Albretch was the first person to go to the Void. He finds ! "Self same" person there. (Wally) and then gets out but is very wounded. Also he cuts off his fingers/wallys fingers in the process. The Orokin then use this to do void travel.

Which is basically hyperspace travel through the void.

[fossil timber]

oooh ok

so albrecht entering the wall of lohk individualised / conceptualised wally

[proper barn]

Most Ships now use "solar rails" which do this for them and they are "paired" to each other.

So they send you from 1 solar rail to another.

The Zariman (and the RJ) have their own "finger drive" that let's them void Jump at will.

To anywhere they want.

[fossil timber]

interesting

It would make sense that wally is some being of void or singularity no? Just his finger is capable of warping anywhere

[proper barn]

The Zariman incident happens cuz they wanted to do it in 1 big jump and it has complications and is stuck "in the Void."

[proper barn]

He is of void. Not the only void being.

The holdfasts say we are a void being.

They are too I guess.

[fossil timber]

we have no lore on how he came from his previous form to being a concept right?

[proper barn]

Have you listened to

The like albrectch stuff in diemos?

In roboloids room?

[fossil timber]

Think so… the portal in necralisk

wall of lohk i should say

[twin wigeon]

What

[proper barn]

Not the portal.

Well

[fossil timber]

Not that big triangular room thing

[proper barn]

It was before that.

[twin wigeon]

The necraloid room next to mother and daughter

[fossil timber]

ah ok

[fleet furnace]

top of the stairwell where you transition from the necralisk to the sanctum

[proper barn]

https://youtu.be/Es8uOniZzZI?si=e-oPou2EnTymXkm0

[fossil timber]

What about it

[proper barn]

This is like

The first time anyone goes to the Void.

[fossil timber]

Albrecht’s experiment?

[proper barn]

Yes.

[fossil timber]

i know about that yes

[proper barn]

He is the first person to ever go to the Void.

This is how we get void travel and such.

[fossil timber]

yes

[proper barn]

But it's theorized by some characters (and chatters) that Albretch through his like uncertainty and fear and such.

Made wally when he fell into the void.

[fossil timber]

i see, so he made him, and wasn’t already there?

[proper barn]

We don't know.

Also cuz of

The VOID

He could always exist before this

But his "creation" is then.

[fossil timber]

so because Albrecht made him, wally wants to get free?

[proper barn]

Or not. This could just be theory that isn't true.

[twin wigeon]

Ehhhh the void was always there but Wally seems to embody the manifestation of the void

[fossil timber]

that was what i said

[proper barn]

Without his finger he's less powerful. Also

He is "stuck in the wall."

We don't know what that means.

[fossil timber]

stuck in the void

[proper barn]

Not manifestation of void. Wally is specifically "indifference." Not all of the Void.

[twin wigeon]

The wall of lohk (void)?

[proper barn]

Just says Wall.

[twin wigeon]

Right mb

Man in the wall

[fossil timber]

because remember when ballas made void tears when destroying the sun? That tear let wally materialize right

[twin wigeon]

More like rewoken him

[normal mountain]

It caught his attention, yes

[fossil timber]

but not fully materialise

[proper barn]

@fossil timber I didn't finish this but the Zariman is stuck in the Void the tenno makes a deal and then the Zariman gets "out of the Void." (In a different reality you are stuck there and that's drifter.)

[normal mountain]

Iirc, it means he's restricted to causality
Which... is kinda terrifying if you think about it

[fossil timber]

Ohh i see

[proper barn]

So Zariman makes jump fails get stuck in Void. Then like deal happens tenno/drifter split.

[fossil timber]

Wally wants us to free him because we are connected through the pact right?

[twin wigeon]

He’s restricted to the forces of cause and effect meaning with his finger he wouldn’t be

[proper barn]

No?

[fossil timber]

Ohhhhh

[twin wigeon]

We… don’t know

[proper barn]

He just seemingly wants to

Cuz like werid godlike things.

[fossil timber]

we owe him tho right? Why would he say that if he dont want something from us

[proper barn]

Like he makes the parents kill the children because

[twin wigeon]

Wally gave us powers and we never asked what he wanted so Wally just keeps making demands and stuff under the pretense

[proper barn]

He wants to see what happened.

[fossil timber]

in the war within when we destroy the kuva he say we owe him

[proper barn]

Oh also

[normal mountain]

Because we made a deal
He upheld his side
Now it's our turn

[proper barn]

@fossil timber are you at the Zariman?

[cunning ore]

Likely possible cause how he possesed Rusalka, Tenno and she kinda have the similar emotion stages.

[fossil timber]

as in story progress

[fossil timber]

What was our side?

[proper barn]

@fossil timber @normal mountain oh in the duviri weaver thing he calls us dirty deal breakers.

[twin wigeon]

That’s a little memory blip, he could’ve also said some other things too

[proper barn]

"Give him our light."

[normal mountain]

Good question

[proper barn]

Our light

[fossil timber]

whats our light tho

[proper barn]

Is our side we "break that deal.'

In the like

Quest with loid and the cavia.

[normal mountain]

Also a good question

[proper barn]

We don't know.

[proper barn]

Yes can you go to the Zariman.

[cunning ore]

They seem some that Thomas mentioned @twin wigeon

[fossil timber]

That light must be important…maybe it gives him freedom???? Who knows

[proper barn]

Have you

[fleet furnace]

drifter says he intended it to mean the globelight but also says that it being wally who knows what he interpreted it as

[proper barn]

Been to the Zariman?

[proper barn]

They but sure.

[fossil timber]

I was bouta do something tho, after i do it ill come back and get on

[twin wigeon]

Light could also be innocence? Seeing as we kill our parents as well as the other parents

[strong viper]

Is there a lore reason why Stalker stopped using Hunhow's gifts? I can understand why War was abandoned (oops we broke-ed it), but why abandon all the armor?

[proper barn]

No.

Wall does that before the deal.

He makes the parents go crazy for fun.

[fossil timber]

Light could be anything atp

[fleet furnace]

possibly just moved on

[proper barn]

"To see what happened."

[cunning ore]

He retired from The Jade Shadow quest.

[twin wigeon]

Yeah but we kill our parents after the deal

[fossil timber]

also the update of 2026 is tau right?

[proper barn]

I think in the jade shadows lead up Hunhow tells him to.

[twin wigeon]

Perhaps

[proper barn]

No?

[fossil timber]

lore enjoyers will be eating good in tau

[cunning ore]

As his little admirers become our next acolytes in SP tho

[strong viper]

He stopped using it before the events of New War, and long before Jade Shadows.

[twin wigeon]

Yes. According to i think Quincy or Arthur’s kims one of the hexes

[proper barn]

@twin wigeon we don't get powers from the deal just we get out of the Void.

[fleet furnace]

light could be like soul, knowing how fey type entities are

[cunning ore]

Could be it was the only artifact and it was broken like you said. Since he also have a Hate to harvest our heads.

We got War - Hate - Despair - Dread

[fossil timber]

Wasnt there a timeline that confirmed it? This?

[twin wigeon]

We do get powers from the deal, the zariman re-emerged by itself i think

[proper barn]

No.

[fleet furnace]

yeah they confirmed a tau update for this year, was part of the old peace reveal i think

[fossil timber]

Also when lotus said at the end of the old peace “ Tau will not be the same as we left “ does that mean the terra-planters transformed tau or has it just aged.

[proper barn]

@twin wigeon the Zariman comes out cuz of the deal. It's why drifter stays in the Void.

[cunning ore]

It from Reddit so i would say don't trust in it. Cause in game, there no timestamp for main quests as there only order of the quests.

[strong viper]

It isn't made exactly clear where our powers came from, though it's presumably Wallivur Williams. It's just worth noting that Drifter never had any powers until the severed hand of Lotus dropped in front of them.

[fossil timber]

Yeah but that image was obviously made, not just the timeline

[proper barn]

The deal was to "save them" "but I never said I would save you."

[fossil timber]

Where would a redditor get that image background from

[fleet furnace]

likely the tau sentients have further evolved and terraformed and settled the system it wont look like it did in our memories

[cunning ore]

If you can get it as an offical time-stamp, fix me then.

[proper barn]

So everyone else gets out except the Drifter. @twin wigeon

[cunning ore]

Lolz it in-game.

[proper barn]

@cunning ore it was literally at tenncon last year.

[fossil timber]

With the planet with red in the background?

[proper barn]

I can get you the post.

[twin wigeon]

Ik that

[fossil timber]

Not in game

[cunning ore]

Tennocon, in-game, many sources. But if you can find one with timestamp, then you can continue.

[fossil timber]

Sure

[cunning ore]

It worldseeder, you clearly not??

[fossil timber]

Thats a planet

[cunning ore]

Right in quest, we got mission into it of the OP.

Tau or the Solar Rails track

[fossil timber]

Dude theres no way thats not a planet

[cunning ore]

Beside that happening on Perita one of Tau Moon

[proper barn]

@cunning ore https://youtu.be/1_5EKoz6-78?si=LFKvUYRyjD1oNdev @fossil timber

[cunning ore]

But i mean that if you got timestamp, go bacj and fix me with the "time" dicussion of the game

[fossil timber]

Yeah i know it on perita but that planet never appears in the game

[proper barn]

It's at at the END

[fossil timber]

on the twin suns and perita appear

[proper barn]

Of this. Literally shows it.

[fossil timber]

Yeah true ill save the yap

[cunning ore]

Honestly don't know what mess-up topic. When first about "timeline" and then the "planet".

[fossil timber]

It looks like saturn

thats cool as

[cunning ore]

So you are asking what that red-thing in the background?

[fossil timber]

Nah i just pointed out that planet never appeared in game, validating the image

meaning that the devs made the pic probs

[cunning ore]

Bro, It in Tau System, we living in Origin System

[fossil timber]

i wont argue anymore

[stiff beacon]

that looks like pergasa but red

[twin wigeon]

In the skybox you mean?

[cunning ore]

Pragahasa hella big and she is a mobile portal

[fossil timber]

also @proper barn can you answer this please sir

[proper barn]

It's more cuz old peace ends in like a big event that happens and tau like hasn't been touched since during the old war.

[fossil timber]

Ah so just aging i see

[proper barn]

Like the solar rail to fau was destroyed by hunhow during the old war.

[twin wigeon]

Well since the orokin are gone from the system, the sentients would have colonized it for their own so who knows what it’d look like. It might have some orokin objects or stuff

[proper barn]

We have only really fought hunhow and his kids.

[fossil timber]

Is hunhow the hivemind

[proper barn]

No.

[fossil timber]

That adis speaks of

[stiff beacon]

no

[cunning ore]

Don't forget Ballas was running back to Tau from Rap.Tap.Tap and there still unknown Niktoh

[fossil timber]

what is the hivemind

[cunning ore]

And the night of the Naga Drum may answer more

[fossil timber]

Or is hunhow just some powerful sentient

[cunning ore]

"My father is a farmer."

[twin wigeon]

That doesn’t make sense if Natah is the Sentient Queen and Hunhow calls her daughter?

[fossil timber]

Yeah

Very odd

[twin wigeon]

That’d make Hunhow and Praghasa the leaders of the Sentient faction?

[fossil timber]

also what did wally’s message of requiem words symbolize at the end of new war

[cunning ore]

She the pilot of Praghasa, i think that possible.

[twin wigeon]

Oh we don’t speak voidtongue nor have a complete cipher

[stiff beacon]

you both know hunhow, natah, and erra speak with an ass ton of similes and metaphors right?

[twin wigeon]

Yeah but Palladino calls Lotus Sentient queen too

[stiff beacon]

its not literal

[fossil timber]

It was voull ne xata lohk mara lohk or something

[cunning ore]

If you could drive your mom to eat the sun, yea, you clearly a queen

[restive river]

When of the Tenno

Hunhow’s family did have a sort of royal vibe though iirc

[fossil timber]

There was some tablet in zariman that talked about the wall of bone then said mara lohk

[cunning ore]

I forgot the Voull but "mara lohk" is meanig us "Void devil/void child"

[twin wigeon]

Well Mara LOHK either means Void demon or void child bc we know what LOHK means alr (void)

[restive river]

That’s what Wally calls us
We don’t know what Mara actually means but it likely means child
Lohk ofc means Void

[cunning ore]

Yippe Duckyy

[twin wigeon]

Hi duck

[fossil timber]

Maybe that message was reminding us to bring him our light or his gonna explode us

[restive river]

Idk where you guys are getting Mara could mean demon, Lotus and the Cavia use it and at least one of them would not call us demon/devil.

[twin wigeon]

Sorry didnt mean demon

[fossil timber]

child probably

[restive river]

It’s likely child

Interestingly Lotus calls us a Child of the Void for the first time during Angels of the Zariman, which takes place after the new war

[twin wigeon]

Child likely

[fossil timber]

What else could it mean

[restive river]

Really not much else since our mom uses it

[cunning ore]

In some language currently we explored i mean in real-life, in Pali it means sth deadly or even sth evil or demons

[fossil timber]

Will tau give us the most lore yet you guys think

[restive river]

This is voidtongue though

[cunning ore]

Since Orokin also call them "devil" (mostly Ballas"

[stiff beacon]

maybe

[restive river]

It will likely give us the most yet on the sentients

[cunning ore]

Yea mb i tried to find if there some similarity in which language

[restive river]

But he don’t speak voidtongue

[fossil timber]

Whispers gave us most so far right

do we know where Albrecht is rn

[fleet furnace]

regarding the sentients, likely, the void? dunno

[restive river]

It gave us a lot

[fossil timber]

he still running from wally or

[cunning ore]

Albrecht an Orokin can i guess? Since his gay song have voidtongues

[restive river]

Maybe in Tau, we don’t know

[restive river]

Albrecht discovered it?

He also didn’t show his findings to everyone

[cunning ore]

He just farming more dating options for Drifter

[restive river]

Wally was largely a secret

[fossil timber]

Why did they have to make dating in warframe

[restive river]

I believe it’s unclear when he made the Triad

[fossil timber]

Its a space ninja game man

[restive river]

It’s optional and it’s fun for many

[cunning ore]

Operator: living in trauma childhood
Drifter: *Rizzler with even an Orokin."

[restive river]

It’s not just a space ninja game lol

That’s the general vibe, but Warframe is like 30 games in one

[fossil timber]

i was tryna get my friend into warframe and he told me one of the only things his seen is the dating sim