lore-discussion

[lean garden]

look at prime vor

[fast dew]

Ehh. Say what you will but. He is still kinda ugly

[lean garden]

(someone make that heart lockett gif with prime vor pls and thanks)

anyways back to roach

[gray bloom]

Which makes this line kinda questionable considering the operator certainly knows about the genetic issues of the Grineer

[lean garden]

He's got no change because he called vor a vatrat?

[lean garden]

maybe this is why the drifter keeps their mouth shut

[fast dew]

I mean. The time to change his voice lines passes and he still acts like that

And as bad as it is

We do got to recognise that there is an ending where he gets worse

[lean garden]

hang on, so the entire measure of the redemption path is completely negated based on that one line?

[fast dew]

Uh. Dude

The villain arc already does that

You got bigger fish to fry

[lean garden]

like he aint gotta be a saint (not like the devil needs to be one) but no improvement?

[fast dew]

And he can be redeemed and still be a bigot

He just isnt as bad

[lean garden]

sure, not what Im pressing on

[fast dew]

That.

His bigotry erases the redemption?

[lean garden]

so was there or was there no change?

Im confused on where youre standing

[fast dew]

I mean. Do you see where i said he didn't change?

[lean garden]

yea right here

[fast dew]

Because. He absolutely does

[fast dew]

Next message.

In regards to. Specifically his bigotry

[lean garden]

ah missed it, got it

[gray bloom]

Quick question

Is most of the corpus military just ordinary ppl

[fast dew]

Merchants

[gray bloom]

excluding the machine stuff

[fast dew]

Mostly merchants

Gamblers, loan sharks

[lean garden]

the military apparatus? they wouldnt be the merchant

[restive river]

Iirc the Corpus aren’t normal civillians, they’re purpose bred

[lean garden]

like all those crewman would be working for the merchants

[fast dew]

Misread 💔

I cannot see out of one eye rn cus shit is leaking

[lean garden]

like from tears or illness?

cuz I know a guy who's aqueous membrane started leaking out his eye

shit got deflated

[gray bloom]

So it is corpus by birth?

[lean garden]

kinda?

[fast dew]

Tears but shit has been hurting all day

[restive river]

Anyone can probably become one with enough money, but yeah

[lean garden]

its a wacky money cult with many ways in

[restive river]

They’re born into the money cult life

[fast dew]

Its started to burn the edge of my eyelid lol

[gray bloom]

But they need infantrymen too right

[restive river]

It’s really funny that Parvos’ symbol is a pyramid

[gray bloom]

How do they acquire cannon fodder

[restive river]

Purpose-bred

[fast dew]

Kidnapping people maybe

[restive river]

Also proxy robots
They
Use a lot of those

[lean garden]

was it from cordylon?

I think its a cordylon one

[fast dew]

The whuh

[restive river]

The numbers we see in game aren’t entirely accurate fyi
The tenno aren’t wiping out millions on the daily

[restive river]

I believe so, yes

[lean garden]

get your lons cordied

[fast dew]

My lens got corroded

[gray bloom]

Ok. So they are like a handful powerful individuals sitting at the top using purpose bred ppl and machine stuff to extract wealth

[fast dew]

Cus SHIT man this is frustrating

[gray bloom]

Also they are divided and fights each other

[fast dew]

Yeah almost as if its a poke at capitalism

[gray bloom]

So, just Orokin with a bit of capitalism?

[restive river]

Wanna-be Orokin with a heaping ton of capitalism

[gray bloom]

I see

[restive river]

Parvos founded the Corpus during the Orokin Era

[fast dew]

Worked with one too

Stole from another.

[lean garden]

worse, hardly as effective as the orokin

[restive river]

Like I said
Wanna-be Orokin

[fast dew]

And majorly pissed off Loid, who may be out for blood

[lean garden]

there is a singular corpus fella who is comparable to the orokin and its parvos

[fast dew]

Go you wild ass old man go murder him

[lean garden]

maybe two if I'm right about alad

[gray bloom]

didnt hunhow call alad an orokin

[restive river]

Oh also the Solaris are technically Corpus

[fast dew]

Mhm

[restive river]

Yes, space grandpa is space racist

Bau has a theory Alad could secretly be an Orokin but that is presently just a theory lol

[lean garden]

yes but you see, common consensus is that grandpa threw a wide generalisation on the whole of humanity.

but what if grandpa wasnt racist but grandpa just had very very good intel

[lean garden]

a game theory

[restive river]

Or he was just being racist
Which
The Sentients did attack civilians so them not fully separating Orokin and all of humanity makes senze

[gray bloom]

Come to think of it

[strange plinth]

-# combined with alad's questionable actions made even more questionable if he were orokin,,

[gray bloom]

Is alad the only board member who is being harvested for blueprints

[restive river]

Idek if he’s on the board

[lean garden]

Old War or Narmer?

[restive river]

We don’t see the board much

[restive river]

Old War, Hunhow wasn’t allied with the Narmer sentients

[strange plinth]

i mean, we mess with uhh
what's his name on the ambulas mission
for trinity bps

[humble sierra]

Darvo's dad, Frohd Bek

[strange plinth]

yea him

[lean garden]

Im trying to remember if the old war sentients hit targets that werent just orokin infrastructure

[restive river]

Narmer didn’t kill or veil civilians because they thought they were Orokin lol

[restive river]

I believe they did

[lean garden]

are you counting the plains sentient hitting the orokin towers?

[restive river]

Cause I know I didn’t get the idea from Narmer

[lean garden]

otherwise I cant think of any other targets that weren't strategically viable

blow up the rails, blow up the moon, blow up mar's moon

blow up themselves

[restive river]

Eh, we don’t really know what the towers were for and Cetus had yet to be established by Unum so
No

[strange plinth]

^ but yea, we only know a couple board members afaik
alad v (maybe), frohd bek, nef anyo, (formerly) ergo glast iirc
parvos if he ever took his place there
maybe another i'm forgetting

[lean garden]

hm, wonder where'd you pull that targetting civvies part then

[humble sierra]

Tbf most Corpus boss fights are robots

[strange plinth]

there's that one mine that got the grineer promoted
not sure how valuable that was

[restive river]

The Sentients attacking civilians is kinda the basis of why they were
Uh
Bad

Cause wanting Tau, wanting to fight back against the Orokin, yes fight good
But it was them attacking the innocent where we cross the line

[lean garden]

resource nodes, viable target

[restive river]

It is one piece of Warframe info that I’m 99% sure on but heard it like 3-5 years ago

[gray bloom]

Is nef anyo in charge of both venus and neptune?

[lean garden]

Well, someone gotta find it then

[strange plinth]

fortuna and the index at minimum, not sure about larger than that

[restive river]

I unfortunately do not have the time nor have an exact quote 😔

[lean garden]

We don't have an orokin city thats not lua right?

[restive river]

But again, it’s the basis of why the Sentients were bad

They did attack Deimos
And I can see them attacking Earth
We know Hunhow attacked Lua, though that one was a ploy iirc

Innocent civilians kinda had to get in the crossfire to some degree if they were attacking the system

I wonder if any of the outer colonies encounter Praghasa or Erra between the collapse and the awakening

And now I’ve been reminded by the fact that sentinels are maybe sentients and once again remain hopeful we might get something on them lol

[lean garden]

I mean sure, but I'm in the mood for reexamining prior assumptions to see if we actually had something for it, or if we conceptually embodied jt

[restive river]

Someone should ask about it at the lore panel during tennocon

Did the sentients kill innocent civilians

[gray bloom]

Well civilian casualties is almost inevitable when you are fully invading

[fast dew]

they attempted to attack deimos

[lean garden]

Like critically we need to be able to prove that the Sentients specifically targeted civvies, otherwise its a case of critical infrastructure being hit

[lean garden]

0 for 2 sentients git gud

[fast dew]

They got worm blasted

[lean garden]

Reb panics, says Sentients killed civvies through eternalism. All lore nerds roll for 1d100 psychic damage

[fast dew]

I will bring up we killed sentients while crashing out at ballas

[restive river]

[fast dew]

For. No real reason

[restive river]

What

You mean the anarch controlled ones or?

[fast dew]

The. Whole storming the academy?

[restive river]

Oh

[strange plinth]

they were hostile iirc

[lean garden]

odd, I thought the sentients on the academy were marked blue on the minimap

[restive river]

Wait
We can check what energy color they had

[fast dew]

Yeah but we came blasting through a wall in a warframe known to be hostile towards sentients 😭

[gray bloom]

I would say I might have starved some guys to death when I didn't donate the fish

[restive river]

They’re red on the map

[fast dew]

At least most sentients that caused havoc in the war we're just drones

[restive river]

Ok yeah so
The sentients are blue
The sentients are non-hostile
You can kill the sentients

[fast dew]

:(

[restive river]

Which you need to take into account the context of this scene

We’re angrier than we have ever shown to be and egged on by Wally

[fast dew]

We're pissed, undeniably so

But that doesn't negate that we murdered civilians

[restive river]

I mean
They are soldiers

Just on our side

[fast dew]

They. Are non hostile.

[gray bloom]

Then we can argue that the sentients are pissed as well

[fast dew]

The sentients have every right to be hostile the second they see us

[gray bloom]

If someone built a machine with my grandfather's body parts I would also be pissed

[restive river]

I do think considering our state in that moment, it negates it to a degree
We are basically blinded by what we’re feeling

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[restive river]

Oh no they are hostile

[strange plinth]

blue energy but still hostile to us, i'm seeing
attacking first, even
but, again, context. warframe known to be hostile to them, known to be on the side of their once-more enemies

[restive river]

I paused at the wrong time

[restive river]

Yeah it’s a messy situation

[fast dew]

Id. Still hold someone accountable for their actions when enraged

[restive river]

Cause we come in killing the Grineer that are attacking the Sentients and everyone was friends a minute ago

[restive river]

I wouldn’t here, Wally’s involved
Also if anyone’s accountable for what happened, it’s not us

We were driven to this and further egged on by Wally

[fast dew]

It was a choice made by us, regardless of how they were pushed

[restive river]

A choice made by a child

[fast dew]

A choice made by a child is still a choice.

[restive river]

A child who just saw their friend die
A child who feels lied to by their parental figure
A child who’s literally facing war
A child who’s being egged on by some entity

[strange plinth]

messy situation, as said before

[fast dew]

Yeah, and. Genuinely that does not matter.

They killed sentients.

[restive river]

Big shocker, Warframe isn’t black and white!

[restive river]

It literally does matter, it’s why we’re in that situation lol

[fast dew]

Not what I meant.

[restive river]

You can’t just ignore the context of what put us there

[fast dew]

Id expect a child who, even while under duress, to be held accountable for their actions

Not punishment, no, not fully

[strange plinth]

i don't think they can be fully excused
but given the number of factors, i don't think they can be fully at fault either

[fast dew]

But their actions cannot be waved away.

[restive river]

Exactly this

I mean the Tenno got punishment enough anyway

Also it is technically a player choice thing if anything, though I’m unsure if the game lets you pacifist the sentients

[fast dew]

They are still culpable, but not entirely so and we shouldn't ignore that they hurt those people

[restive river]

If they open fire then they opened fire

[restive river]

The people that are about to lose their individuality

Not saying it was mercy killings

[strange plinth]

i don't think you need to kill anyone there?
though i'd have to actually attempt it to be sure

[restive river]

Just adds to the situation being messy ):

[fast dew]

And. That matters how...?

[dark compass]

There's no need to kill anyone

[restive river]

I just said

[restive river]

Can you full pacifist it?

[fast dew]

Tbf we did burst a hole into the academy and leaving it open for the. Vacuum of space

[dark compass]

Game doesn't tell you to kill anyone

[restive river]

I’m assuming the Grineer for sure shoot at you but if the Sentients do then that’s self defense

[dark compass]

Sentients do shoot at you on their own

[strange plinth]

mm, sentients are known to survive in the vacuum and the grineer likely have masks at least
margulis might be in danger, if anything, but we see that she's fine anyway

[dark compass]

I was curious to check

[fast dew]

And while jm sure they can withstand the vacuum of space, how severe would the damage be of being torn into it?

[restive river]

I mean it doesn’t tell you to in a lot of missions

[restive river]

So it does become justified then if one does fight back

[dark compass]

I mean there's no kill roadblocks

I think

The only thing you kill is a door

[restive river]

I thought there was for one of the doors

[fast dew]

Did. Did we kill any when we burst through

[restive river]

I believe you can, kinda like how you can land on a guy in Perita

Anyway
If the Sentients are opening fire it becomes justified

[fast dew]

But is the opening fire also justified?

[strange plinth]

am i about to replay the quest to look at these. i think so.

[restive river]

[gray bloom]

Well at that time we are technically at war with the sentients, no?

[restive river]

The Orokin were, we specifically weren’t

[fast dew]

Not the ones on our side 😭

[restive river]

We don’t join the war again until Mom takes us home

[dark compass]

Grineer are sabotaged, Sentients see our action as a betrayal

[gray bloom]

Regardless, to both sides we are effectively a war enemy

[dark compass]

No friends here

[restive river]

I’d say it’s a gray situation like
Everything else here

[strange plinth]

alright, speedrunning this thing, emotional moments be damned

[restive river]

In that moment yes, the Grineer had orders against us and the Sentients don’t know whats happening

[fast dew]

Also on tau, I still do not understand how Albrecht would. Be on tau without. A lot of infrastructure and not getting him murdered by sentients

[restive river]

They just know their once friends have turned

[fast dew]

Or. How the bastard even got there

[restive river]

Literally been saying this since “Tau is in sight”

[dark compass]

Do we even know what Albrecht has to say about Sentients

Maybe they're buddies

[restive river]

How is bro doing anything

[fast dew]

How does he support himself, how does he not die, how did he get there

Like damn its tau is in sight not tau is next door

[radiant pier]

I remember during the old peace, when the Dax were running away, and it took me a solid second to think "wait I am doing a war crime"

[dark compass]

Albrecht leads us to the secret place and it's just Hunhow, neither of us knew

[radiant pier]

and promptly stopped killing the ones who ran away

[fast dew]

Albrecht diving to the bottom of. Is it Neptune?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-regret-angry-sad-kitty-gif-7093329596738369604

[fast dew]

Oh the face

[gray bloom]

Then I don't think you can really expect someone to take the risk to check if a sentient is a civilian, no?

Especially considering that sentients dont need to carry an explicit weapon such as a handgun or something

[fast dew]

Albrecht drinking shit coffee with the sentients

[radiant pier]

just killing everything and having fun before realizing "THIS A CRIME WAIT"

the vinquibus was cool

[restive river]

They have built in weapons
And all the sentients in the academy would have been soldiers

[pale cedar]

Crime in Warframe?
Impossible

[fast dew]

I think the worst part of Albrecht's character is that he can stomach. Shit coffee

Like you are that rich and you choose to. Drink shit coffee

[pale cedar]

You want to torture him with coffee?

[dark compass]

It's a bodybuilder mindset. You're consuming it in massive bulk so you have to make it as much of a bland routine as possible to be able to stomach it

[gray bloom]

Then is it a war crime to kill armed combatants of a faction who is now in formal war with the regime you are still technically registered with?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/coffee-time-fry-futurama-gif-12105436

[fast dew]

WHAT IS HE BULKING FOR

WHAT IS HE GONNA DO

PUNCH WALLY????

[pale cedar]

Yes

[restive river]

🤷‍♀️
I just know that if we were more level headed in that moment we’d probably only kill the Grineer

[fast dew]

Albrecht got too jacked he cant fit in his clothes 💔

Except for the shirt. That thing is so long

[radiant pier]

me when I kept killing the Grineer during kahl's missions before realizing, when there were only 2 left "oh right"

I might be kinda dumb

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/finger-giant-finger-giant-wyzen-heavy-gif-7528376100897651399

[pale cedar]

Can’t kill the Corpus they make me money

[fast dew]

Albrecht on a Tuesday

Mm. Mr Tuesday

And its a jacked Albrecht being a gym coach guy

[dark compass]

What if it's a robe he tucked into his pants

[fast dew]

Nah its. Got one part untucked, looks regular

[dark compass]

Oh right

The shiny bit

[fast dew]

I like to believe its the same shirt he wears in the portrait

Goes to show how much weight he would've lost

Because. This man's weight cannot keep itself consistent

[pale cedar]

This man cannot keep himself consistent

Maybe he goes the gym

A gym where all the punching bag is Wally

[dark compass]

Gradually being replaced with his own faces

[lean garden]

what if he just likes it

[fast dew]

That is so much worse.

[lean garden]

People like shit, more news at 11

[fast dew]

I imagine he's had a nightmare similar to it. His face not being his own

[lean garden]

embrace your inner doodoodevourer thomas

[fast dew]

No, thats the thing

[lean garden]

your cacaconnosieur

[fast dew]

I like coffee.

I like. espresso.

[lean garden]

your number 2 nibbler

we all must eat shit once

for it is in its depravity we find the potential for everything better

[fast dew]

If i see that man drink drip coffee I will. Commit a crime.

Why drink lead when you can drink gold!

[lean garden]

-# also imagine if coffee just simply doesnt exist in the orokin era so albrecht really has no basis of comparison

[fast dew]

I mean. Wine exists

Meaning
Grapes exist

[lean garden]

but did coffee beans make it

[fast dew]

I. Im saying its not that big of a jump

Tbf Loid couldn't identify the wine Lyon brought

[dark compass]

THE LOATHSOME DUNG EATER

[radiant pier]

ew

why?

[fast dew]

Because? Its stronger than the piss that comes from drip machines

Ya boy needs all the caffeine he can get

[radiant pier]

I look down upon you coffee likers

[fast dew]

Likewise.

Why the hell does my kettle rattle the whole house

[radiant pier]

I simply utilize my autism in such a way that my last bits of sanity work as a boost in energy.

[fast dew]

Oh same

It feels borderline like mania sometimes

[radiant pier]

one such as I, has no need for your "coffee"

[fast dew]

Thats not why I drink it, I drink it to calm down

[radiant pier]

bye exam

[smoky gulch]

Right, neurodivergent people tend to have either no reaction to caffeine or it can even have relaxing effect

[fast dew]

Mhm. Body doesnt react the same to stimulants. Hence why folk with adhd get prescribed stimulants.

[strange plinth]

i get incredibly tired sometimes !
-# it's weird

[fast dew]

Grey.

Grey i hate to break it to you

[strange plinth]

yea?

[dark compass]

I used to drink it in an excessive amount

[fast dew]

You might be neurodivergent

[dark compass]

It did nothing and I thought I just was addicted

[fast dew]

Don't want to alarm you

[strange plinth]

peer-reviewed, noted

[dark compass]

Then I quit it for a year as if nothing happened just to prove a point

I have been drinking decaf since then

[fast dew]

Ngl it. Probably was an unconscious attempt at self medicating

[dark compass]

No idea, I just liked the taste

[fast dew]

Theres a reason why neurodivergent groups gravitate towards energy drinks

[dark compass]

Then decided I should check if I'm addicted or not

And stopped drinking it for a whole year

[fast dew]

Eh you're less likely to get chemically addicted to weed

-# know the difference between chemically and psychologically

Ugh i got homework

[strange plinth]

anyway, i hope we get more of the "proto-zariman" aesthetic somehow
the internals of the world-seeder are. interesting

[dark compass]

I am talking about a psychological addiction

[strange plinth]

doesn't look like it, no
the nearest people are the grineer and sentients down the hall, none right where we emerge
its possible to run through the whole thing without killing anything other than doors (and a hologram?), though its fairly reasonable to assume that Isn't What Happened

there are a ton of explosions that happen near us but i don't think are caused by us?

[cunning ore]

Or we can replay it? Is the quest replayable?

[strange plinth]

yea, old peace is replayable
that's what i was doing

[dark compass]

I think they made it replayable with Follie?

[strange plinth]

i thought it was made replayable in one of the first couple hotfixes of the year

[dark compass]

No def not

[strange plinth]

mm, vauban heirloom brought replayable old peace

[cunning ore]

Wah?

[quiet ruin]

Man in dress hot.

[radiant pier]

aced that exam hello nerds

[radiant pier]

ew

you like the taste of coffee?

it just burns my mouth whenever I tried it

it tastes like pain and eventual injury

[heady quest]

I always get sleepy in like an hour after drinking it

But I have found that with adding carbs with caffeine, the awake effect stays longer

I have been mixing it with chocolate milk

Good combo for waking up

[fast dew]

I. Think thats because. Its hot

Thats boiled water dawg shit is gonna be hot

[heady quest]

I mean could also be from the bitterness of coffee

[fast dew]

Like... how the effect of alcohol takes longer when you have carbs...?

Food in general but carbs particularly is. One of the things that push against it

[heady quest]

Idk how it work but a high carb drink added with coffee always wakes me up more than the coffee alone does

[humble sierra]

My dumbahh just realized the Archimedean Diadem in the current operation rewards is the same as the one Yonta is wearing

Yknow, the Archimedean

[fast dew]

Yeah, and the one in Albrecht's netracells :)

[heady quest]

Albrecht labs also have one laying around

[fast dew]

HA GOT IT FIRST

I've been trying to figure out who it belongs to

[humble sierra]

Don't worry RubberBand you also get an eye emoji reaction

[strange plinth]

-# i wish the diadem was in a different slot,,
-# i like the mask from old peace

[heady quest]

Yippie!!!

[humble sierra]

Only one eye, since you were later

[heady quest]

The signa space. Added for operator

[restive river]

Every good nerd needs glasses tho

[humble sierra]

Signa are meant to be halos and attachments, not proper headwear

[fast dew]

Because. Otak immediately comes to mind, but Loid doesnt. Seem particularly close to him, and. I figured if Loid wouldn't be too close to him, or at least have. Fonder memories, I wouldn't imagine Albrecht-living in a basement-entrati would either

Not enough to have it in his netracells

The man doesn't even have his grandson's token in there

[heady quest]

One eye is all I need to peer into the unknowing void that has appeared besides my bedroom door….
With this I can see glimpses of futures past and those that are set adrift in my direction…. I am grateful for this masterful gift you have bestowed me…

[fast dew]

Woah. Dont pull an Albrecht and fall in

You might find yourself in a world where a family member is telling children's stories

[restive river]

Nah do it
See if you make Wally 2

[fast dew]

Or. You may nearly die

[strange plinth]

don't pull an albrecht and throw yourself in, either

[fast dew]

I like the idea that duviri was a suicide attempt

[restive river]

What was the strategy with the bell???

[heady quest]

I see…. I will take this knowledge…. I’ll see how long I can resist its pull…0

[fast dew]

Ideally it wouldn't have shattered

[restive river]

No but like
Was he just holding it?

[fast dew]

Trundled on in, exited out

[fast dew]

. Rails probably

[radiant pier]

yeah aren't you supposed to drink it while it's hot?

[fast dew]

Theyve sent unmanned drones in

[restive river]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Not hot enough to burn your tongue 😭

[heady quest]

I thought the bell was the giant glass sphere he was inside?

[strange plinth]

yea was it not like a diving bell or something

[fast dew]

Ideally warm enough to warm your throat but not hot enough to burn your tongue and or throat

[restive river]

It was, I’m saying what was the plan with it

[restive river]

It sounds like it

[fast dew]

Go in, see shit, go out

That. Went to shit

[radiant pier]

like freshly hot?

[fast dew]

NO.

[heady quest]

Well probably protection, but like he said in his recordings he was surprised by the sharpness of the membrane (which could even split light)

[restive river]

Was there a tether, rails, was he just holding on, what was the safety producers

[fast dew]

NOT AT ALL. NOT UNLESS YOU'RE USING HOT TAP WATER.

[radiant pier]

eh? then what's the point of coffee?

you drink coffee cold or something?

[fast dew]

YES.

[radiant pier]

weirdo.....

[restive river]

Not what I mean, i know it’s for protection lol

[fast dew]

ICED COFFEE.

[radiant pier]

then why use hot water at all

[heady quest]

I think it shows us what the bell kinda looks like in the cavia rank up screens

[strange plinth]

let it cool a little, yes
-# i don't even drink coffee n i know this

[fast dew]

Because you use it to. Do the coffee

[radiant pier]

that's not the true way to drink coffee

[heady quest]

But not inside the void unfortunately

[fast dew]

Do not test me.

[radiant pier]

I like tests

I just had one a like an hour ago, it was quite easy all things considered

[restive river]

It shows us in his notes
And I’m talking about what was the actual plan with it, how did he get it in there, where were the precautions

[fast dew]

I did not get this hospitality degree and a year of annoying customers to be told how to drink coffee.

[radiant pier]

you have a hospitality degree? what's that?

oh did you study uh....what's it called what's it called

it's the other curriculum of my college

hospitality management! yes that!

[fast dew]

I suggest it was on rails pushing it through, constructed through past unmanned experiments

Reversible, I assume he had a distress signal of sorts

[strange plinth]

where even are those images on the wiki/archives

[fast dew]

Mm, close enough.

[restive river]

We don’t really see anything in regards to how it got in or safety

[fast dew]

Tldr i know how to do coffee and thats from. A school

[radiant pier]

cool, but I don't see how that relates to coffee

[restive river]

Tbh
There probably wasn’t any
Unless his daughter set it up

[fast dew]

Hospitality is specifically kitchen and counter services.

Or, for me, my route was. Barista

[radiant pier]

I'm gonna stop now, I can't quite explain why, but I just felt an overwhelming feeling of dread and murderous intent towards my general direction from somewhere with a +2 hour timezone

[restive river]

Albrecht is a bad scientist

[fast dew]

Id say he is reasonable

[restive river]

I wouldn’t

[fast dew]

A fault in one experiment doesn't dictate his entire skill

[restive river]

Not entirely anyway lol

[heady quest]

From the recording it seems it must have been on rails. He says that with the flick of a lever his daughter pulls, the path of the bell shifted towards the gaping hole he tore in his wall. My guess is that the giant glass sphere was then just straight up railed inside the void but upon slightly gracing the void it shattered and he fell inside the void anyway without the bell.
About precautions: Albrecht was already on his final thoughts. He was desperate and was even risking himself in order to prove that the void is real. He wasn’t thinking straight at this point and just did anything to witness his life long theories be proven right

[restive river]

The Cavia lol

[fast dew]

Because. See a decent chunk of space missions

[radiant pier]

but his taste in coffee definitely does

[restive river]

Thank you
And yeah I agree

[fast dew]

And...? He was doing the. Hypothesis-> test-> record->alter->repeat, thats like. The backbone of new experiments in science mostly. I think thats the order

[restive river]

He saw himself as a void

[radiant pier]

hey Thomas if I keep mentioning coffee how likely am I to die within the next 3 hours

[fast dew]

Depends on how fast i can find money for a plane.

Shit might just row over

[heady quest]

And then you have the cavia.
Albrecht just did that for the love of the game

[radiant pier]

good luck getting to our seas dingus

[strange plinth]

I faltered in the awe of it, stumbling against the seriglass and, with that, shifted the Bell's path through the wall. It grazed the caliper membrane, the edge of the door.
he moved slightly and messed the whole thing up /s

[restive river]

He threw way too many animals in and had zero results in terms of what he was actually looking for
It was a bad experiment

[heady quest]

Sacrificing a dumb bird, a fish with some mental capacity and an extinct unique species

[restive river]

Bruh

[fast dew]

Yeah thats. Kinda how you do it i aint gonna lie

Cmon we learnt this in grade 5

[radiant pier]

hey don't call that dumb bird dumb

[restive river]

Don’t forget all of the other animals before them lol

[glacial bough]

The Cavia is never presented to be a reasonable idea to begin with

[radiant pier]

he might hear you

[fast dew]

I THINK ITS REASONABLE

[radiant pier]

yeah we're constantly reminded how it was a failure

[fast dew]

Why am I the only one who sees that 😭

[restive river]

It’s not

[radiant pier]

yes animal testing is a very normal practice

[fast dew]

Okay but can you understand the logic

[radiant pier]

yes

[strange plinth]

its a reasonable thought process, though wrong and taken a lot farther than it should've

[fast dew]

mimics me when I went in
throw animals for it to mimic

[radiant pier]

animal testing, we just still call it failed on his part

[fast dew]

Its. Pretty logical 😭

[restive river]

Eh, after a certain point it stopped being reasonable

[fast dew]

I do not know the size or amount of cavia he sent in

[radiant pier]

yeah at some point it just becomes "okay now he's just chucking shit"

[heady quest]

I get that is supposedly mimics animal experiments in real life science but this just seems like without any direction. Like all he wanted was to have the same results he had but there is no plan, no model, no nothing. Just throw in animals and see what happens
Ethics committee would never approve this 😂😂

[fast dew]

"Pyramids" on a man who likes to be a little melodramatic

[heady quest]

Only the last thing with the cavia where he realised he needed something unique as a catalyst

[restive river]

The idea was to dumb it down which was on very little basis

[glacial bough]

The Cavia most definitely isn't reasonable, there's a reason Albrecht was literally high on something when it came to him

[fast dew]

Ehh. People only really care this much because they're mainly larger animals

[radiant pier]

melodramatic? is that what we call psychopathic nowadays? that sounds du-ohmygod that's me

[fast dew]

You have no idea how many rats are used in animal testing :)

[radiant pier]

we do know, and it's a normal practice

[heady quest]

Wait was cavia after he got to duviri?

[glacial bough]

Yes

[fast dew]

Oh and. This is in reference to everything but the main 4

[radiant pier]

we just wanna call Albrecht a bit weird after the first few attempts

[fast dew]

No.

Duviri was past it.

[strange plinth]

aftermath > cavia > duviri > vessels > permanent 1999

[fast dew]

Thats why the suicide theory works

[restive river]

Is this a fun fact or
Cause it doesn’t really invalidate things

[fast dew]

No, its. For the whole animal testing thing, a lot of people only seem to care when its implied to be larger animals, and not. Smaller ones

And ive never understood it

[heady quest]

I know, i study biomedical sciences. But even our animal testing is very much controlled to the teeth

[restive river]

I don’t think anyone here is bringing that up so I’m unsure how it’s relevant beyond animal testing

[radiant pier]

you know professor paradox? from Ben 10? the bit where he went completely insane and then back to "sane"? that's probably why I find Albrecht's little progression a bit understandable

[fast dew]

As far as im aware the ethics of animal testing is also heavily reliant on. Pain levels during and post experiment, and how easily that can be nullified?

[heady quest]

Yeah ethics is a pain in the ass but it all boils down to doing the least amount of unnecessary harm for the most amount of viable info you get out of it

[fast dew]

And. If the animal can be sedated or similar during the experiment or if it'll affect results

[heady quest]

That’s why I think Albrechts experiments are so shallow and just feels like it is aiming at nothing

I need more backstory on how it all went down

[fast dew]

So, if Albrecht knew that emotions and feelings were the reactor to the void, would you think it necessary to have them awake and conscious during it? And would you classify the cryosleep or euthanasia after the fact as pain minimisation?

[heady quest]

I hope when we get to Tau some codex entries can explain what Albrecht was actually trying to do

[fast dew]

I've been. Very interested in animal testing after I was forced to watch Ferngully back in grade 7

Because by all accounts, what happened to the main 4 was not supposed to happen

[heady quest]

Well since the void is conscious based it is necessary that ofc. But if he couldn’t figure that out after idk the first 5 animals 😂 the rest was just unnecessary. But it could be that he was testing other stuff out but we don’t know

[fast dew]

It was an anomaly, even to Albrecht

[strange plinth]

-# In answer, I resolved to hurl into the Void minds that were not human. Let it parody them. The proximity of the bestial would force a humbling devolution, or so I thought.

-# The majority of the Cavia merely died. I gave the Void living beings and it sent me back bedraggled cadavers. The dead lay stacked in pyramids around my deserted lab. I was nothing but a failed priest.

-# But a glass splinter of stubbornness still stuck in me. And so, I persisted. The correct combination of creatures would work.

-# The catalyst was uniqueness. That attribute was what caught the interest of the bland and undifferentiated Void.

-# The very last breeding pair of Cervulites was smuggled to me, causing Loid no small inconvenience. A species on the brink of extinction. Here was the uniqueness the Void sought. I was certain to the pit of my entrails.

-# I loaded the pair on their Seriglass bridal barge, along with an expendable avian and a Norg for mental ballast. Fish, fowl and beast. A facile equilibrium.

-# They did not die, save one. They came back changed.

-# I knew, then, that my gambit had lost. So long as I worked through scapegoats, my guilt would only deepen. I must atone for what I had done through my own blood.

-# Standard laboratory hygiene would have been to dispose of them. But some instinct stayed my hand. The Voidtongue was an enigma to me, but another - more habituated to the Void than I - might one day unravel it. Through the imposition of form upon the formless they could, perhaps, glean some meaning.
cut out some of the less important pieces of the cavia notes
again, i'd say the thought process makes sense, but it was taken farther than it should've been

[fast dew]

Tbf they. Kept dying. You cant really look into the void and see if it did anything if they die 😭

And. He was, he was testing different combinations

[heady quest]

I see… he was trying to force the right combination. It definitely was taken too far but yeah it makes sense tbh.

[fast dew]

SEE

Oh lord

It was a logical experiment, he wasn't just taking five rabbits and throwing them at the void

[heady quest]

But what is the deal with this expendable avian though? 😅 He really was just throwing random stuff in there

Poor bird 3

[fast dew]

To mainly protect the cervulites

[dark compass]

To be fair, when it comes to being humane, the human in humane comes first

[glacial bough]

They were expendable

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Along with. Norg [fib]

[heady quest]

For mental ballast

Smart norg

[fast dew]

Nah dawg that shit is just a regular ballast

And. The norg head size only indicates when they're stressed lol

[strange plinth]

ok what's the definition of ballast here because "mental ballast" makes complete sense in context imo

[heady quest]

Noooooo norg was smart…. Norg was great

[fast dew]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ballast

Like man, shit is just a normal ballast

The forehead, i mean

[strange plinth]

stability, throw in the dumb fish to balance out any potential intelligence of the other three, "a facile equilibrium"

[heady quest]

I guess because the void acts on minds that it considers the total mental power in a given space? And that the Norg should have had the extra mental capacity to maybe balance the voids influence out more?

[fast dew]

Also shout out to. Albrecht and the disgust he felt

Me too dawg

[heady quest]

Or yeah maybe because it was so dumb that it took most of the influence on one’s mind

Dumb Norg

[fast dew]

Fibonacci cheats at komi, you know.

[strange plinth]

i still want to know how its possible to cheat at komi
its not like fib can eat the pieces

[fast dew]

Loid im more concerned that you're playing a board game with. A fish

My favourite Fibonacci line is

When he is talking about how Loid is awake and the fish is speaking

[humble sierra]

Same way Ballas did, Fibonacci actually has a restraining bolt on Loid and can control his mind at will

[heady quest]

His aura is so great that he influences the other’s action by making them do dumb moves so he can win

[strange plinth]

ah, ofc

[fast dew]

Oh and him... mocking? Loid over explaining things in "childish" ways and mother picking it up

It was so sweet... uwew.... my babies..

[twin wigeon]

fibby mocking Loid as he explains the strands of khra was funny indeed

[fast dew]

He taught mother the same stuff dude :(((( and mother picked it up :((((((

[heady quest]

Norg smart yippie!

[fast dew]

Its so sad oh god

[twin wigeon]

tthe fish with the big brain? YES, THE FISH WITH THE BIG BRAIN!!

[fast dew]

I love the fact Loid was. Seemingly a second parental figure to her

Im not normal over this

[twin wigeon]

are you ever? silly thom

[fast dew]

No im not ever normal and its very dangerous

[twin wigeon]

wait... do Thomases have a nickname? Like how Timothy is Tim and such?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/kinger-the-amazing-digital-circus-tadc-crazy-normal-gif-9229061266949666653

Me rn

[fast dew]

...tom.

[twin wigeon]

TOM?

[fast dew]

Tommy.

[twin wigeon]

that makes sense

[fast dew]

Tommy gun

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/gangle-tommy-gun-shooting-gun-maniacal-laugh-maniacally-gif-15694873446442681361

[fast dew]

:D

Go my gangle

I also occasionally get called thumb when I shave my head

[twin wigeon]

bwhahahaha

[fast dew]

Mainly by my sister and she gets something thrown at her for it

[twin wigeon]

i could never shave my head

[fast dew]

I do it sometimes

[dark compass]

There's certain style in being bald

[twin wigeon]

... is steve bald? i feel im misremembering

[fast dew]

Because sometimes my autism becomes evil and I get upset at the concept of hair on my head

[twin wigeon]

Rell

[smoky gulch]

Lots of small thingies annoying the touch system

[fast dew]

Ngl that. Could be why hes bald

[dark compass]

The cap hides the truth

[twin wigeon]

"touch system"

[fast dew]

Mm. The concept of something slowly pushing through my skin is deeply unsettling

If my hair wasnt already thinning id. Shave it again

[dark compass]

You didn't have to phrase it like that

[fast dew]

:)

[humble sierra]

Balding but not completely hairless

[smoky gulch]

It does convey how unsettling it feels to get sensory ick

[fast dew]

Is it front or top down balding

[humble sierra]

Receding mostly, also: flex

[fast dew]

I have worse descriptors, but a lot of mine rely on. Basic stuff

[fast dew]

Shit we doing this? Wheres my Rebecca one

Woe

Oh tennovip was so fun

I cannot wait to go the next time

[dark compass]

I should photoshop myself near Pablo so that everyone would think I'm in a cool kids club

[fast dew]

Do it

Make it really bad for the giggles

[dark compass]

I am a person of dedication

It must be perfect, photorealistic

[fast dew]

Awhh cmon do it for the giggles

[twin wigeon]

and the shits

[fast dew]

I hope you know my housemate has to hear almost all of these messages

[twin wigeon]

do they play wf?

[fast dew]

Yeah

Unfortunately.

[twin wigeon]

good

suffer.

[humble sierra]

You got TTS on or just guffawing and having to explain everything

[fast dew]

At first, poggers. At a second glance, oh no he thinks ballas is gonna come back with wally

[fast dew]

I use voice to text a. Lot

[twin wigeon]

Primed Maybe?

[fast dew]

He said old man yaoi, so. Good

He has no clue on the lore. Not good

Worse I think for me, he's. A guy who thinks doom is just about killing demons

[twin wigeon]

little does he know that he has a loretuber under the same roof

[fast dew]

Im no loretuber but I am. Certainly disgustingly educated on entrati lore

[twin wigeon]

which is like 70% of all lore since the entrati muck about

[fast dew]

He also never wears a shirt and its getting to a point.

[twin wigeon]

🫦 ?

[fast dew]

No. Its horrible.

[twin wigeon]

oh

[humble sierra]

More knowledgable than a loretuber then

[fast dew]

Im a lover of big men, big fan. But I do not WANT TO SEE IT

[fast dew]

True.

[twin wigeon]

oh lord

[humble sierra]

Winter is coming ™️ so you should be fine

[fast dew]

Ha no. We have a split system.

He puts the heater on.

[twin wigeon]

BWHAHAHAHAHAA

chat chattttttt

[fast dew]

We should calm down instead of me complaining about my neckbeard housemate

[twin wigeon]

todays my bday and apparently past Chilly wrote a letter to be sent to Future Chilly, aka me

[fast dew]

WHUH

HAPPY BORTH

https://tenor.com/view/gato-anotado-noted-noted-gato-noted-cat-gif-15232071836705052766

Going in the calendar

[twin wigeon]

lol

[fast dew]

Woe

[twin wigeon]

apparently Past Chilly wanted me to reclaim my Warframe account and to get a pc + he wrote down my account details

BWAHAHHAHAHA

[twin wigeon]

you're doing more thaan my friends apparently

[fast dew]

Fastest way to get hacked 😭

[fast dew]

I have. Several people in there, its a fun habit

[twin wigeon]

i mean yeaah but i alr changed the details by now so its still endearing

[fast dew]

I

Dont think I remember my warframe password

[twin wigeon]

oh me neither

[fast dew]

Thats. Not good

[twin wigeon]

steam autosigns me tooo

[humble sierra]

Happy birthday!

[twin wigeon]

its from 5 years ago

[fast dew]

Whuh.

[twin wigeon]

so... thats... hm.

[fast dew]

Hm

[twin wigeon]

when i was in the start of high school?

[humble sierra]

Write one back

Skill issue on his part if he doesn't get it

[fast dew]

Also I present to you the hat only folk who went to tennovip in 2026 got

I wear this shit daily. My biggest flex

[twin wigeon]

that is a splendid logo

[fast dew]

Mhm. Its tau.

[twin wigeon]

it is?!

[fast dew]

Or tau themed

[fast dew]

Look at the two stars :)

[dark compass]

It's vaguely sentient shaped

[twin wigeon]

one day i wanna go to a tennocon or tennovip

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Tennovip was. Awesome

[humble sierra]

We were lucky for TennoVIP to go to Australia

[fast dew]

I hope it comes back again

Though id prefer if the venue choice was. Different

Good lord that club was sweaty

[humble sierra]

I'd like for one on my side

[fast dew]

I got most of my view of the giveaway stuff was blocked by the giant ass drifter

Arkadia can confirm i am. Small though so its entirely my fault

Im never seeing shit again

[fast dew]

Oh of like. Australia or Melbourne bcs i had this weird thought it was either you or the other dude that was from Perth

[fast dew]

God what was my fashion choice i dress like a 10 year old boy

[humble sierra]

Yep I meant my side of Australia, I am the one from Perth

[fast dew]

Yeah the other fella was from Adelaide lol

Tbh id go over to Perth for one just so I can have a familiar face, Melbourne was. Scary

[fast dew]

3

GOD SAMMIT

I DROPPED MY KEYBOARD

[pale cedar]

Who is Sam because he doesn’t sound like he is it

[fast dew]

Samuel hayden and I wish he was

[pale cedar]

Should honestly find a way to be it

[fast dew]

Im trying but he refuses to comply

Arrogant asshole

[pale cedar]

Looks like it’s time to pull out aggressive negotiations

[fast dew]

Hell am I supposed to do nemesis you can see above how short my ass is

Hes a 3 metre tall robot with a superiority complex worse than ballas

[pale cedar]

Just break your legs and become taller

[fast dew]

Hell am I supposed to do? Punch him???

[pale cedar]

Then weapon

[fast dew]

HE HAS A SWORD

AND SEVERAL TANKS

[heady quest]

Words are stronger than swords…..

[lean garden]

believe

https://tenor.com/view/halo-halo3-masterchief-gif-19798434

[fast dew]

I DONT WANNA I WANNA LIVE

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-destroyed-gif-26781526

Grabbed him nvm

He holds him so lovingly

[radiant pier]

wanna see my pink Titanfall pilot drifter

[opaque zenith]

Not really, but there's always #fashion-frame for sending it

[radiant pier]

ohmygod

I can make mine look like a GM from Gundam

[idle fog]

If you guys want Warframe to have a canon crossover with, what would it be?

I go first

[cunning ore]

The whole series of Project Moon

I want Void combat with every ALEPH abnormalities

Manifestation vs manifestation

[heady quest]

Warhammer 40k

[fast dew]

Idk id like a doom cross over

[pale cedar]

I knew you’d say that before you said it

[radiant pier]

Gundam.

[pale cedar]

Warframe actually did have a crossover with Pubg

[narrow pendant]

lotus was in smash bros ultimate 😭

[pale cedar]

Yeah

It’s very rare but it happens

[jolly root]

Monster hunter

[rigid compass]

How the hell are they canon 😭

[dark compass]

She also evolves into Natah if you level her up to max

[strange turtle]

I remember how early on they were meant to be a weird Void thing. Like, discount Holdfasts

[dark compass]

Like dark souls spirits

[strange turtle]

I think the lines are still in the game

-# D: Walk me through your reasoning on how this would work. Most things that are created via Conceptual Embodiment from the Void can't leave it - at least not for long.
-# R: Drifter you’ve wore those raggedy robes for about 7 years since you left Duviri

[smoky gulch]

Like the junction spectres with spooky tones?

[strange turtle]

Yeah

But presumably also just, spectres in general

[fast dew]

Ive spent the last hour crashing out how is lorechat

[strange turtle]

Since a distinction was never made

[narrow pendant]

perhaps the deal parvos did with wally couldve involved stealing from the entrati to perfect the specter technology

that he had contact with him and that he stole is clear just not if or what deal they have

[ocean geyser]

Cephalons can be copied of Jordas is anything to go by

[main arch]

Enkaus is literally just a Follie corrupted version of the Thornbak.

She took one look at it and went: EW. Disgusting. Let me fix this piece of crap.

And made it into a beam weapon that's actually decent.

I mean look at them lmao.

[smoky gulch]

Sometimes less is more

And she did get away with it

[twin wigeon]

I’m not seeing it

[tall echo]

Me neither

[robust flare]

I think they should add warframes, so it would be called warframe or something

[fast dew]

Long barrel gun ig

[loud oriole]

warframes? in my lore game? impossible

[fast dew]

Anyways im off to go crash out again

[tall echo]

snipetron is a corpus thornbak obv

[fast dew]

Tldr they gave him a bowl cut. I will not elaborate.

[strange turtle]

They should add factions too, and then they could go to war

[tall echo]

Elaborate

[loud oriole]

-# no thats a transformer

[fast dew]

Nuh uh

[fast dew]

Im a transformer...

[strange turtle]

But obv they’d have went to war before, so it’d be called The New War

[dark compass]

I actually find bowl cuts kinda cool...

[robust flare]

Then they could frame each other's photos after

[tall echo]

Exterminate

[dark compass]

You can carry the bowl cut with style

[fast dew]

They're cute, but. THEY PUT ONE ON DOOMGUY. GENUINELY TOO. 100% SERIOUS

Sorry its. So off topic but

Violence. THEY YAOIFIED MY BARA MAN

[tall echo]

You have elaborated

[dark compass]

I believe in the importance of the words you have chosen to speak

[fast dew]

THEY WHITE WASHED A WHITE MAN

HOW DO YOU DO THAT

[tall echo]

Bleach

[fast dew]

IM SO UPSET

Ill be quiet for now

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-pet-cat-pat-cat-petting-petting-cat-gif-88141326984537530

[fast dew]

But expect me to be 10 seconds from exploding

[dark compass]

Shhhh. It's ok.

Relax. Everything is fine

[tall echo]

Only combined with a long brown robe, ideally bound with rope as a belt

[fast dew]

I am violent yes but I am. Controlled

I just have the very violent urge to. Eat

[dark compass]

Oh same!

I'm very hungry right now

[fast dew]

Im not

[dark compass]

My shift ends soon, I'll be able to find some prey

[fast dew]

I just need to bite something

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Me too bro lets go hunting

[dark compass]

You can always bite me

[fast dew]

Release me like a feral dog

[tall echo]

My ankles are executing themselves halp

[fast dew]

YAYYYYYYYY

[main arch]

Both spin their barrels when firing. Also just the geometry is similar, and the fact they're both high status primaries with more or less the same stats lol.

[fast dew]

I mean i guess but

[tall echo]

Tenora

[main arch]

That's more crit.

Also much less similar design.

[fast dew]

I should. Eat the ham i have in the fridge

The masculine urge to buy a whole stake and eat that shit raw

[junior ocean]

Should I reinstall and play the shadowgrapher or whatever its called

[fast dew]

I mean yeah idc

[dark compass]

Shadowgopher

[fast dew]

Shadografer

[tall echo]

Vlad be like

[junior ocean]

Get the whole steak, doit

[fast dew]

Is. This a reference to something or

[tall echo]

Vlad the impaler

Check your spelling

[fast dew]

GOD DAMMIT

ITS NEAELY 2 AM

And. My eye is still leaking

[junior ocean]

Sounds like an all nighter now

[fast dew]

Yeah did the same yesterday i gotta sleep

But. Building up a resistance to meds

[ocean geyser]

HUH

[fast dew]

Crashing out over someone's selfship fanart

The art itself is fine but.

[ocean geyser]

Bewildering

[fast dew]

Dude they didnt even have his scars man

[dark compass]

Doomtwink

[fast dew]

The very prominent scars in most close ups

ITS ONLY OKAY IF THEY DONT CHANGE HIS ENTIRE FACE.

Damn

Yaoi inbreeding

[zenith ore]

Would anyone be bored enough to talk about the old war and the orokin. Explained in the most boring way possible

[proper barn]

I can't do boring. But what do you wanna know?

[zenith ore]

I'm not sure, wanna explain roathes lore?

[proper barn]

He was the leader of the like "anarchists rebels" during the old peace that where trying to reignite the old war during the old peace.

They succeeded.

[fast dew]

Mm. Okay.

Orokin screwed the origin system. They want to leave. Albrecht does his shit and figures out Void travel. The orokin send the zariman to a system called Tau. They also make the sentients. Whuh oh bad idea. They rebel, but on tau they gain sentience and they stop fighting. Then the old peace happens and shit goes to shit. More war and we're put to sleep, night of the naga drums happen, orchestrated by ballas, then the big sleep

And uh. I can do Albrecht lore too

[proper barn]

He then gets yoinked by ablretch.

[fast dew]

Funniest shit ever

[zenith ore]

The legend himself

[proper barn]

I wouldn't call him a legend

But sure.

[fast dew]

He is pretty legendary

[zenith ore]

Jest

[fast dew]

Hes arguably the most important orokin ever

[zenith ore]

You and that ballas lover need to calm down mate💔

[fast dew]

Oh no I am disgusted by Albrecht

[proper barn]

The old war is like sentients get made they rebel. Warframes get made they rebel. Tenno get found to pilot the warframes.

[fast dew]

Intrigued as I am sympathetic.

[zenith ore]

I think you explained it to me before, but sure go for it

[fast dew]

I probably did but I am exceptionally bored

[zenith ore]

Where did the sentients come from

[zenith ore]

Ik thats why I asked

[proper barn]

The warframes do very well with the tenno pilots. The old peace happens. Then the old war resumes. Then the warframes "beat" the sentients.

Then the tenno kill the orokin.

[proper barn]

The orokin.

They are made by the Orokin/archimedians to go to tau

[zenith ore]

Of course how could I have not think about this

[proper barn]

To settle it for the orokin.

[zenith ore]

How about tau? Is it earth now? Or another place entirely

[proper barn]

Tau is a solar system.

[fast dew]

Nevermind my autism is too depleted to explain the intricacies of Albrecht's lore rn

[proper barn]

@zenith ore how far are you in the game?

[zenith ore]

And they turned on them. Using their adaptation as their main weapon

[zenith ore]

Alr done with everything

[radiant pier]

is it ever explained how Nokko came to be

[zenith ore]

Did you type a lot of stuff then deleted it🤓

[fast dew]

Hes just a guy

[proper barn]

WELL more that like the Orokin like they only had like "super villain" tier super weapons which just got hacked by the sentients.

[fast dew]

Only a little, and then. Shit started hurting and I just couldn't

[radiant pier]

is he a Warframe with a Tenno or legit just....a fun guy warframe buddy that exists out there

[zenith ore]

Infected I suppose

[proper barn]

The same way all warframes are made. Seemingly combined with a base level spore.

[zenith ore]

Your wrist innt

[proper barn]

Not all warframes had tenno.

[radiant pier]

any more lore on him?

[fast dew]

Fingers mainly

[proper barn]

How?

[zenith ore]

Even better

[proper barn]

It tells you a lot of outright.

[fast dew]

My two last ones are particularly mean

[proper barn]

Also what do you think lotus is

[zenith ore]

Not like everything everything

[zenith ore]

A copy

[proper barn]

No.

[zenith ore]

Cmon

[proper barn]

That's not what she is.

[zenith ore]

She's a sentient

[proper barn]

Yes.

[zenith ore]

Yeah that was made as a copy no?

[proper barn]

But a mimic (the mimic queen even.) Isn't a copy of a thing.

[zenith ore]

Yeah that's what I meant

[proper barn]

Also she was kinda made for this infiltrating purpose.

[zenith ore]

Hope you get well

[proper barn]

That's not what copy means.

Also she did help us kill all the orokin. She just didn't kill us after.

[zenith ore]

True I guess, I didn't think too deep about this

[proper barn]

Which she was supposed to do.

[zenith ore]

But now she chose her own path?

[proper barn]

Yeah.

Hunhows her dad. You probably know that.

If you know she's a sentient.

[zenith ore]

By any chance do you think she's being ummmmm, I forgot the word "controled" by albrecht?

[proper barn]

No lmao.

[zenith ore]

Indeed I do

[zenith ore]

Just a thought from roathe, guy has fire takes

[proper barn]

Roathe is also a petty opinionated man.

That says Ballas actually loved margulis.

[zenith ore]

And a sensitive one that is. Probably blocked me because of my takes and info

[proper barn]

When he killed marigulus ciz she didn't do what he said.

[zenith ore]

I will forever despise ballas for what he did

I actually thought he turned with us somewhere in the new war quest

[pale cedar]

He didn’t kill Margulis because she didn’t do what he said he killed her for what she said

[zenith ore]

They killed her, all of the seven judged her for what she said

Accusing her of treason if I'm not wrong

[pale cedar]

She accused herself of treason the moment she took the blame for what we did

[zenith ore]

Ah shi I'll be back in a min

[zenith ore]

She did that? I thought she just stood up for us by saying we were children and whatnot

[pale cedar]

She took the blame for what we did

[proper barn]

Okay but he wanted her to like act all sad and remorseful. Also he was literally 1 of the seven HE COULD HAVE DONE ANYTHING.

He has done way more to get things to happen before.

Starting a orokik Civil War isn't enough to get you out of the 7.

So he could have done anything.

[smoky gulch]

Fun fact: execution vote has to be unanimous, all of the Seven have to agree

Just disagreement from Ballas would be enough to save Margulis

[pale cedar]

Well it would’ve

He could just vote no

Making 6 for one against

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1434676373565345862/1440410633865793708/caption.gif

[zenith ore]

Yeah, and I'm one of them👿

[ashen pulsar]

shiver me timbers

[zenith ore]

Last person to disagree

[ashen pulsar]

they are shivering right now actually

[smoky gulch]

Oh huh, I'm dumb - so Tenno resurfaced from Void with Zariman, meaning Zariman we explore should be its void clone Drifter brought with themselves

[ashen pulsar]

my timbers, that is

[zenith ore]

Yeaaah feel my aura

I feel so stupid

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/shivering-dog-shiver-me-timbers-shiver-me-timbers-dog-gif-23060744

[zenith ore]

When the jump failed, where did it fail exactly

[pale cedar]

When making the jump to the Void

[zenith ore]

So it jumped and stayed there

[smoky gulch]

The Zariman was lost making the fold from Saturn to the Outer gates. Mechanical failure.

It disappeared for few days, then came back as if nothing happened, per Ember Prime's Codex entry

[pale cedar]

Why wouldn’t it stay there it’s not like gravity is gonna pull it down to a planet

The better question is why didn’t they jump from Sedna instead with it being much closer to the Void

[normal mountain]

Star Wars Hyperspace: glares

[smoky gulch]

Void is located on map for ease of gameplay, it's physically not there

[pale cedar]

Well it is physically there
It’s just not physically just there

[fleet furnace]

the tau rail is by pluto, so im assuming the zariman was probably going there before making the interstellar jump to tau

[smoky gulch]

Wait, wonder what happened in Drifter version of events - no traumatised children with Void powers either means Sentient project had no successful (at least by our intel) defense system

[pale cedar]

There was children with void powers though

[fleet furnace]

drifters version likely went the same as opertors, with the major difference being that drifter themself was left behind

[pale cedar]

Zariman tablets moment

[fleet furnace]

"i said id save all of them, that didnt include you" or however the quote went

[loud oriole]

“i said i’d save them, never said i’d save you.”

[smoky gulch]

Sooo, drifter uwittingly martyred themselves to being left in Void-Zariman, while all others poofed into existence in material plane?

[pale cedar]

It would’ve went the same way as in Ember codex just without the Drifter

[restive river]

Void clone?
Where are you getting that

Also it’s unclear but iirc there’s accounts that make it sound like a few days and some a few years
It was just likely a few days though and the tenno were in cryo till Margulis came along

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, but the physical ship was still existing after Tenno incident, surely

So where does the voidplug Zariman suddenly appear from

[restive river]

Yes, it did
It went back in and came back out a few times

[restive river]

It’s not a clone, it’s the same ship returning for the final time

[smoky gulch]

Huh, didn't catch the part where it's stated to flip between planes afterwards, where is it stated?

[restive river]

We see it

[strange turtle]

It’s all of them

[restive river]

It goes into the void the first time
Then it came back with just the kids
Then it left
Then it came back during the new war
Then it left
Then it returned for the final time with Angels
Now it plugs the hole

[strange turtle]

“The” Zariman is this weird intersect

[restive river]

It’s essentially connected to all versions of itself, right?

[woven coyote]

Yeah think it was a yonta or quinn line

[restive river]

Since Drifter’s Zariman is in Duviri but the ships are still connected

[smoky gulch]

Right, must have been too focused on TNW events to consider it The Zariman at the time

[strange turtle]

Yonta IIRC, and another mention in the KIMs

[restive river]

To make things really simple, there’s only two Zarimans
Operator’s and Drifter’s

[strange turtle]

"So many intersections. Planes and possibilities. Hazard and luck and intent."

"Sharded causalities piled up in the Heilbronn margin, singularity refusing to play with any of them… oh, the Universe is a messy place."

"This place is like an embassy. Playing host to misfit realities that were never chosen."

[smoky gulch]

But huh, then Orokin must have been very pleased when big failure of their regime just... Disappeared back into void by itself

[restive river]

Easy cleanup and coverup

[woven coyote]

Considering we never quite get the details it could very well be that they just issued remote commands to it to try and push it back under the void

After all the thing was literally built for it

[pale cedar]

They’re all parked inside of each other

[restive river]

Not that hard for them to slip something in the void

[fast dew]

I like to imagine they make very loud collision sounds

Source engine jank ykim

[pale cedar]

They would if they weren’t all pulling void things

[strange turtle]

The “song” is just the nearby pieces clanging together at the right frequency

[smoky gulch]

No wonder it turned Holdfasts mad

[restive river]

It was never the finger…
Their true master was physics jank

[smoky gulch]

Had more Archimedeans been space engineers, they would create clang engine out of it

[restive river]

In theory you could maybe master physics jank as a form of propulsion

[loud oriole]

all i need is a giant holographic blue grid piece

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, Space Engineers' players "mastered" it and dubbed it clang drive; for Warframe equivalent we just have to ask Titania mains clipping out of bounds as they please

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/halo-grid-halo-grid-halo-forge-forge-gif-8416705539787096150

[woven coyote]

Reminds me of space engineers, iirc the players had given that a name, the way we may call rng "rngesus"

Oh found it yeah they called it wrath of clang or smth like that

[strange turtle]

oh THATS what Klang is

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, the sound game engine makes when it is annoyed by player's shenanigans

[restive river]

Lmao that’s awesome

[celest needle]

Ancient Orokin death trap

[worn cypress]

are we going to tau soon ?

[ashen pulsar]

eventually

[ashen pulsar]

• 250 energy

[woven coyote]

A classic DE soon

[worn cypress]

🗿

[stiff fable]

This year

[worn cypress]

OOOOO