lore-discussion

[upbeat glacier]

I'm just saying the Warframe food looks kinda yummy

[radiant pier]

who's Rebecca again?

she's the head of DE?

[dark compass]

Oh wait I forgot I have unlimited mobile data

[strange plinth]

creative director

[dark compass]

She used to be a community manager and ended up making her way all the way up to becoming a creative director around Angels of Zariman

[radiant pier]

Ms.Rebecca, may I pray to you, GIVE ME MORE BOSSY DELUXE SKINS AND MY SOUL, AND THE SOULS OF ALL THOSE THAT RESIDE IN #lore-discussion, IS YOURSSS

[strange plinth]

woah don't drag me into this

[upbeat glacier]

Is it just me wishing to eat warframe cuisine

[radiant pier]

on everybody in lore chat's SOULS

[dark compass]

Sorry I already sold my soul in parts to like 3 people

[radiant pier]

we will get more bossy warframes

[dark compass]

Andrew Hussie, Hidetaka Miyazaki and my cat Sally

[strange plinth]

eh, i haven't really thought about it

[dark compass]

Official warframe cookbook including such masterpieces as cubic spaghetti and techrot barbecue

There was a promotional event once where they sold hot sauces themed after warframes

If you really want to taste... Stalker's Reckoning...

Of course Ember has the heirloom skin on

[radiant pier]

next lady one needs to be 7 foot tall, built like the human personification of a navy battleship, AND VOICED BY NON OTHER THAN RISA TANEDA, WITH THE INTONATION OF RORY MERCURY FROM GATE

[dark compass]

Are you asking for Hildryn 2

[radiant pier]

PLEASE DE CREATIVE DIRECTOR, YOU WILL HAVE ALL OUR SOULS FOR MORE ROATH VOICE LINES 🙏

[strange plinth]

i don't think you need to offer your soul for that i think she's trying to do that anyway

[dark compass]

Yeah

[upbeat glacier]

If I didn't have to worry about getting sued into the ground I'd totally start a sushi restaurant that's Warframe themed

[dark compass]

Rebecca was a community manager, she knows what people want

[strange plinth]

there's a reason half of the devshorts is just reading chat

[dark compass]

She also plays the actual game

[radiant pier]

more like her.

[dark compass]

Who's that

Her hand is weird

[radiant pier]

Renata Glasc.

[dark compass]

That's a silly name

[radiant pier]

I hate league of legends BUT HER? I will sell ALL your souls for the chance of being called a RUNT by her VA

[upbeat glacier]

There's a interesting bug on console I should probably report

So if your in your arsenal and buy plat through your arsenal it soft locks the game

[dark compass]

I'm pretty sure they're aware

It was in an announcement

[radiant pier]

yeah it's missing something

my neck #dont@me

[dark compass]

Idk anything about league of legends I just watched Arcane

[dark compass]

I really don't think they're against collaborations of any sorts

Hot sauce, tabletop games

You can make it work

[radiant pier]

Gordon Freeman

[dark compass]

I'm fairly sure Valve allows for stuff like that if your game is on steam

[radiant pier]

oh that's awesome

I love Gordon Freeman

still haven't finished the latter half of half life 2 tho

[dark compass]

So you only finished half

You still have life 2 finish

[radiant pier]

is there a reason why nef anyo is still alive

[dark compass]

I don't think we even know where he is

[strange plinth]

killing him makes room for someone worse on the board, potentially
also he runs the index, so like.

[dark compass]

And power vacuum is not something we create

[stiff fable]

The playerbase hated him so much that DE kept using him because people want to ruin his day more

oh lore reason

[dark compass]

Better ask why Alad is still alive

[stiff fable]

He's an idiot

him being on the board makes that entire branch of the Corpus much weaker

And Solaris United has forced him to start making concessions

[pale cedar]

His time on the board caused Gravidus Dilemma

[humble sierra]

She used to be an intern

[pale cedar]

Intern
Community Manager
Creative Director

[humble sierra]

Next step: God Emperor of Canada

[dark compass]

Community manager is basically an intern

[narrow pendant]

sisters of parvos telling you to knit socks for the entrati implies parvos really gives them a piece of his mind about them lmao

[celest needle]

how would Nokko be effective in any sentient battle

[dark compass]

By having damage over time that kills them through the death gate

[smoky gulch]

Makes a terrestial sentient go BWOING into sky, dealing fall damage

[dark compass]

Oh wait it's lore discussion

[celest needle]

But they're machines

mushrooms cant go through METAL

[loud oriole]

unless its a very corrosive mushroom

[dark compass]

Who would win?
An army of adapting sentient machines designed to colonize and industrialize a planet
Or
Stinky mushroom

[celest needle]

ITS A DACTOLYST!!!!

[strange plinth]

i think you underestimate mushrooms

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jeff-goldblum-life-finds-a-way-gif-8405245

[strange plinth]

anyway we don't properly know if Nokko was always a mushroom or not

• there are other more biologically-based warframes that would have similar problems

[celest needle]

How is nyx supposed to mind control a sentient

[narrow pendant]

i mean she was able to briefly try to read wally

eleanor i mean

[celest needle]

hm
well wallys a void thingamajig

well
does he have a conventional mind?

[narrow pendant]

being sentient implies you have thoughs sooo not too far off

• we got plenty of robotics already

in the end, trying to explain abilities scientifically is usually less the case than it is just void magic

especially with rhino stomp

[celest needle]

well Moas are robotic so i wouldn't say its a stretch although then how does she do it to machines like she does it to biologicals?

[pale cedar]

Test it out by taking Nokko to kill a Sentient

[narrow pendant]

mindcontrol would physically be manipulating the electric impulses between your brains neurons

so she would probably manipulate the cpu in some way

[celest needle]

but the sentients are pretty advanced tbh
but warframes are too
hmmmmmm

suprised galastra didn't grab a nyx prime

[celest needle]

he infects them
with viral
that makes them sleep

https://tenor.com/view/toby-cat-washed-soggy-wet-gif-16755473866192073463

[pale cedar]

Tbh
If Nokko has to deal with adaptation issues there’s always good old fashioned gun and blade

[twin wigeon]

or even better: gunblade

[humble sierra]

Nokko's mushrooms have an evil variant of the ||Xenoflora|| that just kills them instead of ||giving them independent thought||

[twin wigeon]

||takes away independant thought|||| permanently||

[celest needle]

Nokko was made as a hate crime by Ballas

[pale cedar]

Free will? Not in my Wargame -Ballas probably

[unkempt talon]

anyone else notice that Nora has dialogue referencing Nokko and Nightcap now?

[fast dew]

Shit does she?

[narrow pendant]

found a funny bug on the wiki

it was alad all along

[fast dew]

Why does he look ourple 💔

[pale cedar]

Infestation

[narrow pendant]

his time gated event story is all pre 2nd dream

[pale cedar]

Even in TSD he still had scarring from the event

[fast dew]

So that. Makes him purple?

[pale cedar]

Took a bit for it to fully go

[fast dew]

He looks like a bloated corpse

[pale cedar]

Mutalist decorated him

[narrow pendant]

he more or less is one

depending on the way you look

[pale cedar]

Alad thought he controlled the Mutalist Strain
The Mutalist Strain controlled him

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[unkempt talon]

yea it starts with her saying "Have ya ever wondered who speaks for the dirt" and she starts talking about a voice calling from under the orb vallis

[narrow pendant]

the mutalist strain controlled him into thinking that he controlled the mutalist strain

add as many loops of that as you want lmao

[narrow pendant]

i am nightcap and i speak for the shrooms

[fast dew]

Oh weird. they must've added more lines with shadowgrapher

[unkempt talon]

yea I only noticed it when waiting for a friend of mine to log on to do some relic cracking and nightwave

[cunning ore]

I once see Ordis with Lotus Voice

[narrow pendant]

ordis working overtime post apostacy prologue

[unkempt talon]

Oh speaking of bugs with Lotus talking this happened to a streamer https://www.twitch.tv/ladytheladdy/clip/VastBlushingGrouseVoHiYo-Lt93Yu9zuuoBIwql

[narrow pendant]

is that an operator line

bc i disabled that right after second dream lmao

[unkempt talon]

someone said it sounds like a Sisters of Parvos line

[narrow pendant]

i can only make out "i want her to be murdered - did you know?" but that cant be it

[unkempt talon]

yea no that's what was said, and what's crazy is while I didn't clip it the same thing happened again a few minutes later

[narrow pendant]

i think i found it

[unkempt talon]

nope its not that one there's no mention of grineer

[narrow pendant]

hm

[fast dew]

I got. Jumpscared by my operator just saying shit sometimes lol

[unkempt talon]

it could be a sister line like someone said it sounds like

[fast dew]

Mm, I did hear parvos in the line yeah

[dark compass]

My warframe is strong

[fast dew]

"Why do you have make me choose between you and Mr. Parvos? You know that's no choice I can make."

Is it this one?

[unkempt talon]

I hear "i wanted to be armor ---Did you know that" from the clip so shrug

[narrow pendant]

it seems to be triggered by the security bypass

but none of them sound quite like the clip

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Lotus/Quotes#Survival

[unkempt talon]

yea its none of those

weird

[celest needle]

Why is there one lich and sister personality thats just on the cusp if not straight flirting with the operator / drifter 😭

[fast dew]

Yeah lol

[narrow pendant]

the devs know the playerbase

queue lesser worm queen voruna line

[fast dew]

You know actually thats kinda weird now that I think about it

[celest needle]

"You are mine, little meat. No one else's."

whats the defense for this 🥀

[fast dew]

"I tell my problems to my diary. Maybe you could do that too? When you're not being used as a whimpering human pillow by the largest and most diseased of the felons I'm gonna lock you in a basement with."

There's. This sister one

Like dawg

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[fast dew]

Like woah man calm down my operator is a child

[celest needle]

converting lines btw

[fast dew]

Man maybe this is really really weird

[celest needle]

What are they putting in the kuva and who are they assigning their canadites too

this cannot be a coincidence

[cunning ore]

Wtf-

Don't tell me it kind of a brainwashing

[ocean geyser]

To be fair, flirty adversaries can have the “fear/hatred of children” trait
So theoretically they’ve either got an idealized version their tenno or they just like our warframes

[fast dew]

True but from. A development perspective its certainly a choice 😭

[ocean geyser]

Yeah 😭

[tall echo]

As opposed to the nonexistant greater worm queen
(It's worm queen and elder queen)

[ocean geyser]

Ngl they both look sorta worm

[tall echo]

Yea but only the one with the ugly haircut is referred to as worm

Insulting npcs as I describe them might be a precept

[ocean geyser]

Wonder why they opted for the mecha tail things

[misty helm]

That is, assuming they even know the Tenno are basically teenagers with superpowers.

I think it's safer to assume they treat the Tenno like they see them; a Warframe.

[ocean geyser]

I feel like the Kuva Grineer would be amongst the ones to know

[tall echo]

After conversion they probably do get told

[fast dew]

Im not saying the sisters are doing this, im meaning. DE doing it knowing that the users of the warframes are children is. Weird

[misty helm]

Liches getting flirty the moment they see their Tenno is a Sevagoth Prime

Cake Prime 🍑

[fast dew]

Plausible deniablity and all but still

[tall echo]

I set new records in creation->kill for liches if they have the flirty personality type

[ocean geyser]

Yeah ion like them either

[tall echo]

I just hate them that much

[ocean geyser]

Unironically got me going when i see that the larvling is a woman

[tall echo]

Obligatory hate mp4

[dark compass]

Uhh this one?

[ocean geyser]

Worm being generally unusual
As usual

[unkempt talon]

maybe only the guard do...why actually why are the kuva guards even built like that?

[ocean geyser]

Worm calls them dumplings for a reason ig

[tall echo]

My cephalon persona(cephsona?) is really just one morality away from being AM, wow

[dark compass]

All that body armor

[tall echo]

They got that executioner smough build

Smough executed the conversation ig

[dark compass]

He ate it

[tall echo]

After executing it yes

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/here-kitty-you-can-has-cheeseburger-gif-7210661951502365606

[tall echo]

Smough the wasteless executioner

Think karishh had a dedicated executioner working only for him who was like smough

[fast dew]

The. 3d render looks like smthn a protogen would have 😭

[tall echo]

[dark compass]

LMFAO

[fast dew]

NO LIKE

IM SO DEADASS

IT KINDA LOOKS LIKE MINE ACTUALLY

[tall echo]

It's possible he is still blue in the game since his body is never actually seen

[dark compass]

[dark compass]

Nah he is empty

I saw the model

[tall echo]

Rly?

Disappointing

[dark compass]

I have an uncomfortably deep knowledge about technical stuff in dark souls games because I'm a modder

[fast dew]

Like not exactly but the leg parts reminded me enough of it

[tall echo]

At least michael tzaziki made sure to model his armor feet

[dark compass]

Some characters go as far as having rigged toes

[tall echo]

Classic

[dark compass]

It's nothing

[dark compass]

I like the color palette for metal parts

[tall echo]

Guessing priscilla?

[dark compass]

Rennala

[fast dew]

Thank you :) hes not technically a protogen but yk

[tall echo]

Yeah rennala checks out

[fast dew]

Like by all accounts the dude is a primagen, but thats the point

[tall echo]

What's even the difference

[fast dew]

Primagen = pointy and big
Protogen = round and small

[dark compass]

@fast dew I joined that project by the way

[fast dew]

YAYYYYYYYY

[tall echo]

...that seems like unnecessary distinction

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/clappi-clappi-clappi-clapping-cat-clapping-cat-clap-gif-8874636239372178904

[tall echo]

Warframe

[fast dew]

There's a bit more, but thats. Most of it. And yeah. Thats why I don't like it

Because back in the day, jingle jingle jingle, back in the day

[dark compass]

Isn't one of them straight up "paid"

[fast dew]

The owner of primagens would force you to pay for a character

[dark compass]

Or locked in some way...

I don't get this idea of copyrighted species

[tall echo]

You got spurs that jingle jangle jingle?

[dark compass]

Even massive companies don't do that

Unless you're GW

[fast dew]

Even to this day, most makers refuse to do primagens because. The creator would send their goons to harrass and dox you :)

[dark compass]

[tall echo]

Why are humans so dumb sometimes

[fast dew]

Its not even legally copyrightable lol they just claim it is

[dark compass]

I suppose when a third of your defining existence is a drawing

[fast dew]

[dark compass]

Yeah I can understand that

[fast dew]

There was a kid who used their. make a wish for one

[dark compass]

Ouch

That's really horrible

[tall echo]

That's. Depressing

[fast dew]

Oh and primagens would sell for thousands of dollars

So. As you can see

[dark compass]

Oh so basically it's an economic bubble

[modest lion]

I have a dream in my heart that The Night of Naga Drums story mission will give us the introduction of Flare as Temple Prime.

Have my starchild really come to terms with themselves and who they are, and come back the best self they can be. Hell, I'd be down for Lavos teaching them. :)

[fast dew]

I do not like the creator and so I made guy to have everything a primagen or protogen cannot have

[tall echo]

We might never get that but it'd be cool

[dark compass]

Sounds like the type of person to attach their art to blockchain

[fast dew]

Mhm

[dark compass]

Ew

[fast dew]

Its just NFTs but furry

[dark compass]

Aren't most nfts just anthropomorphic animals already

[tall echo]

How did I manage to turn my W upside down they're on opposite sides of the keyboard

[modest lion]

You think NoND wont happen, or my specific thought?

[tall echo]

Wumbo

[dark compass]

A prime trailer, hopefully

[fast dew]

True but these ones are more socially acceptable bcs furries

Or. Something

[tall echo]

Playable night of drums

[dark compass]

"are you some kind of furry"

[fast dew]

Mm. Discord changed the text colour for emojis

[dark compass]

"I'm not the one wearing animal profile picture"

[fast dew]

its so more. Ourple

[tall echo]

?

[dark compass]

Ourple...

[fast dew]

Its more purple than usual

[tall echo]

Same color for me

[dark compass]

Yeah it looks different to me as well

[fast dew]

This is more purple

[tall echo]

:D

[dark compass]

L:

[modest lion]

Ill be so real, i thought The Old Peace was about to become night of drums.

Im still optimistic. Its a long way down the road though. First we gotta learn what happened on Tau.

[fast dew]

:

[tall echo]

We saw what happened

[dark compass]

I feel like they gave the resources for a naga drums quest now

[fast dew]

Tbh, I do not know how well we will remember it

If we go through the dark refractory

[tall echo]

But no reason yet

[dark compass]

Imagine making one like it's new war. From the perspective of a dax soldier

[fast dew]

Will. Will we remember it despite us sleeping?

[modest lion]

We've only seen Perita, Tau's moon

[dark compass]

And the final boss of the mission is some warframe

[tall echo]

Playing the losing side

[dark compass]

You take it down through massive effort, only to realize there are hundreds of them

[tall echo]

Cool idea

[loud oriole]

-# its all Uriel frames…

[tall echo]

I like when star wars games include vader bc it's like, you KNOW you can't win there, same vibe

[dark compass]

Yeah

But this one you win through massive struggle and possibly using a squad of fellow dax

Just ending up seeing that there is an entire army

[tall echo]

Win the battle lose the war

[dark compass]

Pose it like a horror mission

With you being stuck and having it pick you all up one by one

[modest lion]

From my understanding, the memories were effectively isolated off by Margulis for the shit we did on Perita, and the tenno effectively became catatonic for an amount of time. Then the Tenno were used to do some messed up stuff in the name of the orokin on Tau.

[fast dew]

Mm. Not exactly

It was Margulis protecting us

[tall echo]

You start out with a big group like kahl missions by the end but lose them one by one as you progress

[dark compass]

The boss is a rhino with a tigris

[tall echo]

Corinth

[dark compass]

True!!!

For a double callback

[loud oriole]

rhino with a tigris… and a steel chair

[modest lion]

Right by effectively removing our culpability in what happened during Perita and Old Peace?

[tall echo]

When you ask someone with a lisp who their favorite fire emblem protag is

[dark compass]

You first see it doing an explosive landing on one of your squadmates

[fast dew]

Mhm. Removing our memory, or suppressing it

[dark compass]

And now you have to run

[modest lion]

I think suppression. The Lotus seems able to undo whatever Margulis did

[tall echo]

"I saw your amps cutting down my fellow dax" or whatever varzia said

[dark compass]

If you keep shooting the rhino just keeps gaining overguard

[tall echo]

I gotta check the lines again

[tall echo]

The stalker problem

[fast dew]

Mm, part of it is the nature of the dark refractory

[dark compass]

Oh yeah, when you end up winning and all alone against the said Rhino

You see the army of warframes destroying everything

And OP just pops out of the rhino to cut you down

[tall echo]

Yee

and it's the player operator

[dark compass]

It would've obviously been the player operator

[tall echo]

Now I need this quest

[smoky gulch]

Late re: on characters that know Tenno are minors, yet act flirty to them

Varzia

She really has that soldierish attitude of saying whatever is on her mind

To the same of rank

[fast dew]

Yeah sometimes I wonder if they just add it without thinking

[tall echo]

Varzia isn't flirty to the tenno

[smoky gulch]

I mean, all the random thoughts she has ain't things you say to a teen as an adult

[tall echo]

The tenno are only physically teens tbf

Experiencing war and a couple thousand years of the aftermath counts for a lot

[fast dew]

Ehhhhh

[pale cedar]

It’s a very debated topic

[smoky gulch]

Oh, the fun part is she considers Tenno kiddos: "The kicker isn't that you kids brought down an Empire. It's that half of you don't remember doing it."

So yeah, I think DE just sometimes does the funny without considering context

[jolly root]

Hence why i use drifter the most

[fast dew]

Only in the way of. If your body never aged and if your neurological chemistry never changed and if your mental state never changed. Its literally only the experience of war, which most never remember

[tall echo]

Compared to some of the stuff the tenno did varzia's thoughts are kinda really tame, no?

[fast dew]

..no

Honestly her saying what she does about teshin is also weird

In the context of saying it to the operator

[tall echo]

Idk why I'm even arguing when I agree, I'm just waking up and my brain is being useless

[pale cedar]

That’s it
Time to kill Scrap

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[tall echo]

Slightly on both sides bc like, we're turning enemies into dust, mist or soup.
Thirsting is kinda not that much worse but on a different scale

-# Hek I sometimes use bows or boltor just to see how the ragdolls go flying

[chrome condor]

Dex Signa = Narmer veil reconfigured for Lotus purposes?

[fast dew]

Whuh

... no

[pale cedar]

It looks nothing like a veil

A veil is a face mask
A Signa is a crown

[chrome condor]

She has turned on us once before...

[fast dew]

After being manipulated and forced to lol

She's far from an enemy

[pale cedar]

Warframe players forgetting Ballas caused Naga drums again

Don’t know how when he caused 50% of everything else

[fast dew]

I don't trust her for other reasons tbh

Though, she is mostly harmless

[pale cedar]

There’s other reasons not to but a cosmetic item ain’t it

[chrome condor]

Not convinced but fair points

[tall echo]

no. not even remotely. get back to reddit.

[robust sleet]

who are the acolytes in lore

[strange plinth]

they have. very little lore
showed up during operation shadow debt, working with stalker to find and kill alad v
we stop them from doing so by killing them
and they're basically non-canon after that

[robust sleet]

interesting

[dark compass]

The Stalker has found others as twisted as himself. He calls them his Acolytes

Then they die. But they stayed as a game mechanic.
this.is.it.

[robust sleet]

what is this? some kind of suicide squad?

[dark compass]

yes

[robust sleet]

do you think they already looked like him or he made them put on suits for brand recognition

[ashen pulsar]

not suits, just hats

[tall echo]

just helmets

[ashen pulsar]

they already have warframe bodies

perhaps they’re rogue tenno, we don’t really know

[robust sleet]

oh i see

[strange plinth]

i'm fond of the thought that the acolytes could be other low guardians, but that's entirely speculation

[ashen pulsar]

i’m skeptical, just cuz they have the bodies of gen 2 warframes

[cedar wolf]

They could be similar to stalker however without jade they actualy lost their mind, but stalkers influence grpunded them somewhat and turned that nightmare pain feom what we learned in the sacrifice against us.

[fast dew]

I do particularly like this idea

[fast dew]

I mean. Arguably so does stalker

[ashen pulsar]

isn’t he gen 1

[fast dew]

He. He has an Excalibur body

[strange plinth]

would the bodies not be the same between gen 1 and 2?
like there wasn't that much actual distinction between them

[ashen pulsar]

o

[tall echo]

...??

[fast dew]

Scrap cmon we just fixed that

[tall echo]

the only difference in "gens" is that one had no operators and the other did

the whole concept isn't even a canon thing it's purely fan terminology

[ashen pulsar]

during the old war, didnt the orokin round up and kill the warframes that were sentient?

[tall echo]

not all

and the concept of different gens isn't confirmed by that

[strange plinth]

most
kullervo and dante escaped
stalker and jade, if they existed prior to the 'gen 2' frames
though those two seem to have gotten a pass, if that's the case

[ashen pulsar]

by gen, i’m referring to warframes that could think vs warframes that couldn’t.

[tall echo]

see, the problem is that even modern frames can "think"

[fast dew]

Different sort of think

[tall echo]

just not as freely as, say, umbra

[ocean geyser]

Hm
I wonder what Anarch-Orokin relations were once the Old War got back into gear
Sure they’re both fighting the Sentients but everyone on the front lines clearly doesn’t like the Anarchs very much

[fast dew]

Probably executed tbh

[ocean geyser]

Damn?!

[ashen pulsar]

not like they could originally.

[fast dew]

I mean

They committed treason

[tall echo]

but they could

[ocean geyser]

Fair yeah

[ashen pulsar]

scapegoats for the executor’s crimes

[fast dew]

The. Difference being one innately can while the other is forced

[tall echo]

umbra's is forced

[ocean geyser]

I guess that explains Galastra’s yapping
Were all the dax promised big ass mansions or something?

[ashen pulsar]

dax can’t say no

[ocean geyser]

Maybe the commanders and such

[ashen pulsar]

to the kuva

[ocean geyser]

Well yeah but im getting the sense they (or at least Galastra) believed something good was going to come of it

[tall echo]

land

[fast dew]

Dax can't say no, grineer follow the kuva

[tall echo]

the anarchs were promised land on tau

[fast dew]

Though im sure some dax willingly came

[ocean geyser]

Yeah
Sounds about right tbh

[rigid compass]

Is drifters camp a parked orbiter or a old orbiter from some other tenno?

[fast dew]

Parked orbiter

[languid parcel]

so, I just noticed in Old Peace-
Caliban Prime's one of the Anarch's commandeered Warframes
but Adis is one of the Mission Controls
but, Cali was being worked on while Adis dies
also, I vaguely recall Roathe being mentioned as helping the Anarchs during the Old Peace
...are DE setting up an Operator vs Drifter fight?
~~return of the Conclave? ~~

[rigid compass]

We just shove it under some rocks somehow?

[languid parcel]

that's our pile of scrap material for the Foundry?

[fast dew]

I hope not. And. Yes Roathe was under Nitokh

In. More ways than one.

[rigid compass]

But its gonna scratch the paint 😭
Think about how much resale value we losing 💀

[languid parcel]

I think Helminth kinda threw all hopes of resale out the window...

[fast dew]

Oh no a helminth unit comes with the orbiter

Thats what feeds our warframe

[rigid compass]

I just thought about how darvo says to buy a new cephalon which makes me wonder if new cephalons can even be made with current technology and if they are then who is being turned into cephalons

[fast dew]

Uh. No

They mostly wouldn't be being made

The uh. Dude who does that is in a jar

[exotic oyster]

What are your thoughts on the theories surrounding Wally and Dante? Like There’s a community theory suggesting that Wally might actually have feelings for Dante. Since Dante is a chronicler, he provides Wally with something the entity desires: a name, a record, and an identity. Through his writings about the Void, Dante gives form to the “Indifference.”

[fast dew]

No, that one was Albrecht

Read the Requiem logs

Lemme find the link

[rigid compass]

On that note, ordis says it is responsible for warframes' maintenance but jade goes like a thousand years or something without it

[fast dew]

And yeah she died from it lol

[languid parcel]

and she died in childbirth, so point goes to Helminth/ Ordis

[fast dew]

That baby drained the hell out of her

[fast dew]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Albrecht_Entrati/Quotes

In here :)

[rigid compass]

Nihil made cephalons? I mightve forgotten since that was like 2020 but I thought it was just glassing them

[fast dew]

Yeah glassing is how you make cephalons

[rigid compass]

But would she if she aint try making the baby?

[rigid compass]

Ight ig

[fast dew]

Not all glassing victims are cephalons [their name is cephalite or just glassed] but most if not all cephalons are glassed

[languid parcel]

Helminth is what provides the Warframe birth control pills

[rigid compass]

So the body is glassed and the mind remains intact and then they turn it into a cephalon

[rigid compass]

Buh

[fast dew]

Something like that, the process of making cephalons is widely unexplained

[languid parcel]

maybe Darvo has knock-off cephalons that were plasticked instead of glassed?

[tall echo]

????

[strange plinth]

i'm. not sure how that's connecting?

[languid parcel]

-Anarch Rebellion
-Caliban Prime project started
-Ballas betrays everyone, Adis dies
-Galatea uses Caliban Prime to try to kill us
-Adis tells us to collect batteries for turrets

[stiff fable]

lol

the regular Perita gamemode is set between the Old Peace story missions

[brittle siren]

https://youtu.be/rtijyvvcYX0?si=HXX-_DAGKBjlsQPN

[languid parcel]

ok that makes more sense, then

[strange plinth]

also caliban prime looks pretty complete when we first see him, iirc. so galastra having a different one isn't out of the question

[stiff fable]

A thought

Wally kiddos us because that's what our dad called us

Wally used to call Albrecht Little Bengel for the same reason

This plus Albrecht's own name means that Albrecht is German

Thus Albrecht's father was Werner Herzog

Because he's in character as Wally in the TGA trailer

[fast dew]

Oh i thought you were just gonna stay at that Albrecht is german

And. Bengel is also a German word

[languid parcel]

future space-German, at least

[ashen pulsar]

the orokin were german confirmed

[stiff beacon]

i mean

his last name is itailian

so

[fast dew]

Entrati is a Italian word?

[ashen pulsar]

it is?

[fast dew]

Mm. Entrare.

That's probably the word it is based on

[stiff beacon]

yes surprisingly

chuck through google translate (i know its kinda shit) ya get entered

[fast dew]

Mm, I do wonder if it just has Latin inspiration

[ashen pulsar]

past tense of “to enter”?

[stiff beacon]

yes

[fast dew]

Fitting. Considering what happened

[ashen pulsar]

entered the void

[fast dew]

[ashen pulsar]

was albrecht thought up when they made the entrati family tho

[stiff beacon]

yes

[fast dew]

Absolutely lol

Though I don't think we ever got his concept art

Wonder what phases he went through in development

[stiff beacon]

i can imagine the writing team was sitting in their board room

[fast dew]

Because Loid went through a bit

[ashen pulsar]

kinda curious how far they think ahead with these kinda things. there was a whole thing about uriel being in the chains of harrow trailer, but the silhouette and emissives don’t quite match

[fast dew]

Uhhh how long ago was protea prime

[stiff beacon]

smoking something fierce and landing on albrecht after watching event horizon

[tall echo]

he Into The Voided

[fast dew]

Ooor. Wait. No. There was a earlier one

Its related to parvos tho

[stiff beacon]

yea deadlock came after

or well before release wise i think

[fast dew]

Uhhhhhhhh when was. The specter particle stuff introduced

[stiff beacon]

deadlock

spectres themselves wayyyyyyyyyyy before

[fast dew]

Sick yeah it would be then, when the entrati name was first mentioned

[stiff beacon]

but when you actually get the quest in game its after heart i think

[fast dew]

It would be yeah but release wise

[stiff beacon]

yep

[fast dew]

Explodes

But yeah a lot of shit was planned

[dark compass]

Deadlock mentioned

https://tenor.com/view/mouthbreather-mouth-breather-ivy-ivy-deadlock-hop-on-deadlock-gif-12426679565478135986

[fast dew]

Little gargoyle lady....
-# I think

[dark compass]

Little dubiously spanish gargoyle lady

[drifting lintel]

So something interesting,
Drifter mentions briefly while talking to roath that conceptually embodied material doesn't last long outside the void.

So why did the god damned fingers stick around?

[strange plinth]

yea, that one's weird
the duviri flowers also stick around assuming that bit of the inventory is accurate

[lean garden]

personally, I see no issue

If the above reference is referencing the conversation I'm thinking of, its regarding specifically the materialisation of CE

aint say nuthing about maintenance

[lean garden]

Grey have you actually been typing all this while or is my discord bugged

[strange plinth]

yesn't
gathering the bits of the convo + trying to get through a thought process

first one i found in relation to this

-# D: Walk me through your reasoning on how this would work. Most things that are created via Conceptual Embodiment from the Void can't leave it - at least not for long.
-# R: Conceptual Embodiment works like thus - when interacting with the Void, or in proximity to the Void, powerful emotions and thoughts can manifest physically. We both know this.
-# D: Yes. And?
-# R: Where the Void goes, Conceptual Embodiment can follow. And only there.
-# D: Wait...
-# R: Yes. You now see it. The damnable fingers. We took those cursed fingers, in a desperate and mad attempt to reach Tau, and we Orokin found a way to replicate them, didn't we?
-# R: Little bits of the Void, everywhere you go... A network of trenches and tunnels for that thing to pop up wherever it may like. And worse still?
-# R: The Tenno. And you. All of you, Void-touched. And all of you, haunted by that thing, for wherever you go, it can follow.
-# R: And likely anyone who has interacted with it for any length of time. Entrati himself. His butler. The Cavia. Myself, the zealots, by our proximity to this Sanctum. The list goes on.
so ig as long as the fingers were somewhere that the void had been, it'd be fine?

[lean garden]

hm, that first sentence wasnt considered the last time I went about this

[strange plinth]

how does drifter even know that CE doesn't last long if they were in the void for however long

[lean garden]

Perhaps the fingers themselves are self perpetuating

[lean garden]

Maybe they were taught that in school

then again they did say "most things"

maybe that doesnt include "weird fingers and weird plants"

[strange plinth]

mm, probably
<quote from angels here>

[twin wigeon]

We exude Void energy like a beacon

[ocean geyser]

It makes sense considering Wally himself has only been able to go to places the Void has been

So it’s not unreasonable that his fingers function the same

[twin wigeon]

its not impossible that the other Tenno also spread void energy around + the deimos heart could be spreading background void energy

[lean garden]

imagine if the only reason why our plants and incarnons dont disappear is literally because of the heart

[drifting lintel]

I mean that's why the Warframes still have powers so yeah

[strange plinth]

are argon crystals just. needy as hell then

[dark compass]

Yes

Argon demands too much attention

That's why it's called Argon

[restive river]

Hey better question
How is our piece of Wally still around?

[lean garden]

I eated it thats why

[restive river]

You shook his hand and slurped up what he gave you
Damn

[lean garden]

but also like

I would imagine any CE'd thing out from wally is self perpetuating

[restive river]

But why

[lean garden]

since if it needs proximity to void, and yet those things fart out void energy, therefore its self maintaining

[restive river]

True, it may just depend on what kind of conceptual embodiment he is

Like if to some extent he is born of the fear of the void then that’d make sense, he’s a little more voidy than say
Random Duviri fish #7452

[lean garden]

See the Duviri Fish dont fart the thing

I think the qualifier is if its wally's

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think fish fart in general man

[lean garden]

you haven't been paying attention to your fish

[restive river]

Yeah that’s what I’m saying lol

[lean garden]

I think wally is

incomplete

[restive river]

Well yeah!
Bro took his finger!

[lean garden]

thats why his properties are a lil more wack than with other CEs

[restive river]

Him being an incomplete conceptual embodiment and thus wants to fill his own void makes sense

[lean garden]

no even with the finger

[restive river]

No ik I was jokin lol

[lean garden]

No, you are now being serious, I decree it

[restive river]

Maybe he wants what we got cause we seem and kinda are more “complete”

[restive river]

Dang are you The Drifter from hit update The Duviri Paradox??

[lean garden]

with you there, but I think its more towards he is trying to adopt the human form, but is vastly incomplete

[restive river]

Mmhm

[lean garden]

perhaps theres a tension in him, to remain as undifferentiated, and to be completed

one keeps him all voidy, and once makes him us

[restive river]

Have you seen the fragmented dialogue during descendia?

I caught it briefly earlier

[lean garden]

No, I havent played descendia with fragmented

is that this weeks iteration?

[restive river]

It was last weeks but I tried to do it today but the game said no at like
Floor 13 lol

[lean garden]

ohp then I missed it lol

[restive river]

I’ll see if I can grab the dialogue

Lyon: "I sense nothing from this one. No malice. No hate. No jealousy. Just an overwhelming urge for emptiness. This...entity must be defeated."

Lyon: "The Fragmented One. When you confront this beast, you are battling against nothingness, fighting for the very concept of life itself. This is a battle none of us can afford you to lose."

With us knowing that the fragmented are Wally-twisted dealbreakers this is neat

It def sounds more and more like Wally wants nothingness and entropy
But it also sounds like he wants what we got
Mayhaps an internal conflict we can utilize?

[eager oriole]

Lmao, DE poking fun at the lack of Wisp lore.

[cunning ore]

i think they are cooking sth for her like how they cook Marie from a Goth to a sunshine

[tall echo]

...??

[cunning ore]

Marie is a sunshine?

[tall echo]

I guess but wth are you talking about with the goth thing, she never was that

[fast dew]

No lol shes gothic

[cunning ore]

yea but from the concept art someone posted in here, at first she close to that

gothic

[fast dew]

She is Gothic, shrimple

[cunning ore]

mb, i dk the right word but yea she way too shiny and warm at Marie protoframe

[fast dew]

Shes Gothic, sometimes Gothic is warm!

[tall echo]

it usually is thanks to good heat retention

[cunning ore]

I know but the look, the design

[fast dew]

Think of the norte dame cathedral. Warmer, sandstone tones but still widely regarded as Gothic

[tall echo]

gothic is named after the people who invented the style isn't it

adhd brain wants knowledge

[fast dew]

Gothic isnt the same as Goth, same style but one is political

[tall echo]

I
know?

[tall echo]

nah can't find anything on it so ig I'm wrong

[cunning ore]

i'm talking about her looks and her traits far from the first design of her

ugh, i cannot find that concept art of her tho, unsettling

[radiant pier]

the ballas-liker just said goth earlier, not gothic, so scrap was replying to that original comment

[daring tusk]

Wdym by dealbreakers?

[fast dew]

Broke the deal :)

[radiant pier]

just didn't hold up their end of the bargain about Wally's deals with em

[daring tusk]

Are they all humans?

[fast dew]

Probably

[radiant pier]

we haven't seen anything that isn't a human so far

or atleast human-built

[jolly root]

No we havent have we

[strange plinth]

xenoflora's the only 'alien' thing
n i don't think they're making any deals lol

[dark compass]

... as far as we know

[drifting lintel]

He might be trying to get rid of thoughts trying to go back to sleep.

He could be both a god and a being purely of conceptual embodiment.
The godly part is only awake while the concepts are being embodied.
So it wants to get rid of the thoughts plaguing it.

[cunning ore]

Found it, i remember that someone posted it before, this what i mean.

And then there Marie proto cherish like a sunshine

[rapid copper]

Duviri Paradox was peak

[restive river]

It’s actually painful that they didn’t use the top one
I get why
But damn

[midnight ice]

really like how she looked there. hardy and older

[vale wind]

do we have a Timeline on Duviri? there's some points that clearly have an order to them and may have connections.

like
1st [Watcher's Island Lighthouse] (The Rain Of Chains)
2nd [The Caves of Academe]
were both clearly direct attacks by wally in that order
same with The Galleria.

we know Albrecht fell into Duviri just Before Cornucopia had The Bleeding Earth incident as well.
and that he likely actively Shunted Scholar's Landing as a reaction to realising Wally would also attack this place
(As one of the farmers literally got possessed by Wally by drinking the 'kuva?' that came from the ground)

[restive river]

Is there a full image?
Where did you find these?

[fast dew]

Yeah, absolutely. Albrecht probably knew the second he learned of Duviri tbh

OH MY GOD I FOT A VORUNA PRIME AD

YEAH I GET TO SEE VIKTOR GET GANKED

Awhhh

It cut off before it :(

[fast dew]

I don't know why but I do feel as if Marie was supposed to feel a lot older than she does in the kims

She acts. Very different

She's so. Childish in the kims

But outside it she seems far hardier and stronger

[fast dew]

Like there's no way he thought the place in the void wouldn't be at least visited by the void bogeyman

But. The man did not abandon them helpless

[vale wind]

It’s more I’m trying to form a timeline.. here’s what we know

Wally Attacks:
1st [Watcher's Island Lighthouse] (The Rain Of Chains)
2nd [The Caves of Academe]
? [The Galleria]
imo this order makes the most sense.. as its a slow growth in presence from abstract to literally reaching through the earth.
Albrecht:
Albrecht came to Duviri "before even The Bleeding Earth"
he then after a time likely Shunted as Scholars Landing was gone over night
Thrax's Anger:
Island of Manipura
Naturally Fell Into The Void:
The Execution Cyst,
The Golden Hive,
The Inversion Tree,
Stitchers Gulch,
The Doll Mausoleum
???:
Lake Verula: Undercroft Portal gave us the Maws, lake was drained.
Island Of Lorn: Citizens literally threw it into the void for hating it so much
-# (Its how we get the Thrax consoles, they all came from here)
Cornocopia: Earth started Bleeding (maybe Kuva)
when drank by a farmer their eyes went black and he started whispering

[fast dew]

Mm. I do want to say Albrecht mightve been earlier than any of the first incidents

[tall echo]

iirc the events are intended to roughly happen alongside the story quests like rain of chains is chains of harrow, bleeding earth is war within etc

[strange plinth]

skimming through the lost islands entries, its just Academe and the Lighthouse that have a relation like that
i think i'd agree that the Galleria came after them, though?
i don't think that any of those or Cornucopia could happen while Albrecht was in duviri, as he doesn't mention anything in his notes about a specific event prompting his leaving, just that he needed to "proceed from a different point"

[fast dew]

While duviri is in the void, wally doesn't just. Mess around with shit for the sake of it. He has a goal in mind

One of those goals could've been seeking for Albrecht

[tall echo]

Sometimes he does

[fast dew]

Ehh, can you name a time he's done that?

[tall echo]

I don't think there was much of a goal behind making a bunch of kids kill their parents

[fast dew]

His shenanigans in the zariman lead to us taking the deal lol

[fast dew]

To. Make the kids take the deal. Its one of the key examples of his predatory actions

[tall echo]

And why?

[fast dew]

To. Get the kids to take the deal. To. Use them later on as pawns.

Like cmon we might not know what he meant by "our light" but you cannot say he doesn't have a motive

[tall echo]

And make an alternate reality where the kid taking the deal doesn't get saved for the heck of it

[vagrant beacon]

Where can I read lore for the Warframes?

[vale wind]

I was more listening what we know, fixed points are:
Albrecht landed EARLY into Duviri. “Before The Bleeding Earth”
At some point after shunting Scholars landing somewhere else to hide it.
And
Rain of chains (Watchers Island)
Directly goes into The Caves of Academe.

Imo the rain of chains set wally onto the direact attacks.
He listened in and then ripped away Duviris education system so people would be dumber.

[vale wind]

Mostly Codex and trailers

[vagrant beacon]

Damn Ty

[ashen pulsar]

experiment. we don't know what he was experimenting with, but he was

[strange plinth]

leverians as well

[strange plinth]

"Two identical souls raised in such different environments. Haven't you figured it out yet? [laughs] You're fascinating."

[fast dew]

Whuh- that last part is

Interesting 😭

Albrecht willingly left, and scholar's landing likely left with him

The one we see is a false recreation

[ashen pulsar]

I mean we dont know what the experiment is, since it kinda had too many moving parts.

wally isnt a scientist, but he can copy one

[dark compass]

Drusus speaking animation with the sound of the cat sniffing the camera

[tall echo]

Experiments without an explicit goal qualifies as "messing around" imo

[fast dew]

Heheheh

[fast dew]

The goal isnt clear to us

Doesn't mean the goal isn't there

[languid parcel]

engineering experiement, not a science experiment

[fast dew]

I could argue half of Albrecht's experiments have no real point

[languid parcel]

"we're just throwing science at the Wally to see what sticks"

[dark compass]

Throwing animals at the Wally and see what speaks

[vale wind]

Did I miss that part?? Thrax mentions the thing of some of the devices being used to push back wally. And Oraxia actively being tricked by Wally mimicking Albrechts voice

[tall echo]

A lot of science is, in fact, f-ing around and finding out
But professionally

[vale wind]

I mean endangered lizard observation experiments literally lead to multiple medical breakthroughs

[tall echo]

The triumph of dust is essentially wally's fanfic

[dark compass]

The difference is really how much of it you record and in what level of details you are doing it

[vale wind]

AH that makes sense

[ashen pulsar]

wally's the clone of a scientist lol
he loves mocking science

[fast dew]

Scholars landing manifested with Albrecht, he just asked thrax very nicely if he could build something on it, however, oraxia isnt that, we do not think. She would just be floating

[tall echo]

Wally made a fanfic of a children's book...

[fast dew]

Yeah get with the times

[ashen pulsar]

that's why he shows up as the vitruvian man

[strange plinth]

-# thrax yapping every time you talk to him:

-# "Remember what the Scholar told us. The Fragmented Ones tether down the Strands of Khra that weave her false Duviri. Get to the heart of her power, call forth the beast, then kill it."

[languid parcel]

oh my god Wally has a Tumblr!?

[ashen pulsar]

ao3

[fast dew]

Lord do not let that man on that site

Albrecht's already been blasted with it

[dark compass]

No he just started adding X's to eyes of character illustrations and writing some lame comments all over the place

[strange plinth]

i think wally would evaporate immediately

[tall echo]

Unless it's about combining elements then he gets very angry while ignoring the fact he's puppeteering the body of someone who led an army that uses two combo elements

[fast dew]

Reckon Albrecht would write a/b/o fics of Albrecht and Loid to make fun of them or

[ashen pulsar]

murmur have magnetic and blast iirc

[fast dew]

ALBRECHT. I MEAN WALLY

[tall echo]

Yep, definitely

[strange plinth]

that makes it funnier

[tall echo]

Since when is tumblr associated with fanfics what

[tall echo]

"It's unnatural!"
"No U"

[languid parcel]

since around the 2010's at least
could've said Deviant Art instead, I guess.

[tall echo]

I
Don't think you know what fanfics are

[ashen pulsar]

hypocritical lil shit

[fast dew]

Oh even better, ima get my drifter to write mpreg and throw it at wally cus its "unnatural"

[tall echo]

I wouldn't associate either site with fanfics

[ashen pulsar]

like I said, ao3

[fast dew]

I associate them with both lol

Goes to show who hasn't been in the trenches

[tall echo]

Both what

[ashen pulsar]

deviantart is fanart, but fanfics?

[fast dew]

Shout out to the rair pairs I find occasionally and never again

[dark compass]

Deviantart always had fanfics

[fast dew]

See!

[dark compass]

As far as I remember

I was deep in the trenches when homestuck came out

I've been there

[tall echo]

I've never seen any text there

[fast dew]

I am a younger fanfic enjoyer but I am. Awfully aware of fanfic history

[tall echo]

It's kinda in the name

[fast dew]

My eternal was an awesome series and I forever miss it

[dark compass]

Are fanfics not art

[fast dew]

I believe they are

[languid parcel]

just keep Wally away from the My Little Pony stuff
although... Duviri has Kaithes...

[fast dew]

And. As the guy with at least 3 gigabytes of fanfic downloaded i think I have a say

[tall echo]

Sometimes not
But artworks and text stuff are generally seperated

[dark compass]

You have text formatting, you have the body text and headlines. The tag system is free, there's nothing really stopping you. There was never anything stopping you.

[ashen pulsar]

I think "fanart" is its own section

[strange plinth]

categories in categories

[fast dew]

Dawg ive seen fanfic on Quora

[dark compass]

I... Did too

[tall echo]

We're getting irrelevantly off topic

[fast dew]

NO WAY

THE. BLUE FANFIC SITE NAME IS BLOCKED

[tall echo]

What even derailed this way

[languid parcel]

though, since Rusalka's from 1999, she may have exposed Wally to Live Journal...

[dark compass]

Quora literally has a fanfiction section nowadays

[fast dew]

Yeah my mate wrote fics on there

We were like. Freshly 13

Read that shit on my 2ds

[dark compass]

I don't remember how long ago it was, I remember playing demon's souls in my spare time

So probably around 2009-2010

[fast dew]

Noone could keep me away from my yaoi dawg

[fast dew]

CHRIST.

[dark compass]

I was not reading fanfics though

[tall echo]

✨ lore discussion ✨

[fast dew]

I WAS BARELY A SNEEZE

[dark compass]

I'm a dinosaur yes

[fast dew]

Actually you'd be

Almost as old as my sister

[dark compass]

nuclearArcheotech

[fast dew]

The one who introduced me to fanfic at the ripe age of. 11

[tall echo]

No wonder I can annoy you so easily

[fast dew]

11 of 12, something like that

My immortal was certainly a choice though

[crimson abyss]

nah you'd be a trilobite

[dark compass]

I prefer being a kilobyte

Idk I'm not into programming

[tall echo]

Cat typed username

[dark compass]

Look at the pfp

[crimson abyss]

hence the profile picture of a cat

[dark compass]

It's a cat

[fast dew]

I love my profile picture

[dark compass]

I hate my profile picture

[tall echo]

. . . How did both of you miss the joke

[fast dew]

Both of them

[fast dew]

I like it and you're gonna accept that

[tall echo]

And explain my joke to me

[fast dew]

[dark compass]

Fffffffffffffffiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnne

[tall echo]

What is it even

[dark compass]

A creature

[fast dew]

A fella

[dark compass]

I have no idea what creature it is

[tall echo]

[fast dew]

Reminds me of a vulture...

Vultures are cool

They're demonised for doing what they need to in order to survive

[crimson abyss]

chernobyl mutated parrot

[dark compass]

It looks like this

[fast dew]

MAHAHA OHBITS A GOONER

[ashen pulsar]

lil goblin

[fast dew]

GOOBER. GOOBER

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[ashen pulsar]

goofy lil goober

[fast dew]

This is what I get for typing too fast.

[tall echo]

Always double check before hitting send

[dark compass]

I made it when I felt particularly discontent with my existence

It's my drawing, I mean

[fast dew]

I think that portrays it

My drawings are always..

Fun. I suppose

[ashen pulsar]

my s key is broken sso I alwayss end up doubling if I don't check

[tall echo]

If I could draw that'd be the only thing I'd draw

[tall echo]

[Joke redacted]

[languid parcel]

ssssure, totally not a ssnake in disssguise

[ashen pulsar]

sss

[crimson abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/rainbow-boa-brazillian-rainbow-boa-snake-toothless-silly-gif-11786038881991168818

[dark compass]

It also had a non-canonical face in a separate layer

[languid parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-gentleman-hatehat-cute-tongue-gif-12731748

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/rub-finger-head-rub-snake-petting-gif-5866838060964985514

[fast dew]

Grineer lookin fella

[ashen pulsar]

did you make?

[dark compass]

Yeah

[ashen pulsar]

oh

[fast dew]

They're really good arent they

[tall echo]

I
Did not hit send on that

[cunning ore]

ask Thomas, the last i remember it was from him

[dark compass]

You have been hijacked by the snake in a hat

[tall echo]

Self-deploying snake

[fast dew]

Oh do not blame me/j

[restive river]

Whats the source

[fast dew]

Dawg I found that shit on tumblr

Its official yeah

[cunning ore]

Glad you confirm it was real or imma have to add an important note of myself of sympton of having Hallucination

[ashen pulsar]

cutie patooties

[fast dew]

But. I have so many tumblr posts in my notepad I cannot keep track

[tall echo]

Oh cool my phone is dying

[cunning ore]

😭 i was scared that my conscious being tossed again and again between realms

[ashen pulsar]

I'm not really a fan of my pfp but if I feel like if I change that then I have to change my name and nobody recognizes me

[fast dew]

Real

[tall echo]

Why

[ashen pulsar]

name is tied to the pfp

[dark compass]

Official concept art of Lyon btw

[fast dew]

Liger moment

[ashen pulsar]

melpomene is the muse of tragedy, and that's the theater mask on my pfp

[fast dew]

Wait i kinda knew that

[tall echo]

Wait

That's pincushion's pfp

[cunning ore]

Is my conscious being in the right realm rn?

[dark compass]

Oh right I almost forgot

[dark compass]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/YG5xxb

[fast dew]

Thank you nuke lol

[tall echo]

@quiet ruin Why is your pfp this

[ashen pulsar]

liger's such a good artist I swear

[fast dew]

One of my favourites

[dark compass]

For the artstation link impaired (affectionate)

[ashen pulsar]

who is pincushion

[fast dew]

Liger and Emerson Tung are a few i aspire to be like

[tall echo]

Possibly human

[dark compass]

I'm a pin cushion sometimes

[fast dew]

Im a guy sometimes

[ashen pulsar]

im a guy all the times

[fast dew]

Other times im a bag of flesh operated by a will to hate and love

[tall echo]

I am

[ashen pulsar]

cuz you think?

[languid parcel]

https://tenor.com/view/meat-popsicle-5th-element-solomitus-gif-27617358

[tall echo]

Because I hate

[fast dew]

Me fr

[dark compass]

You are NOT

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-not-do-not-cat-dangerous-individual-man-dancing-while-cat-threatens-your-family-gif-26522356

[fast dew]

The vibes when i say to not do sometimes

... I can english

[dark compass]

Can I has

[tall echo]

I AM

[dark compass]

Prove it

[strange plinth]

we managed to be on-topic for like 20 seconds

[fast dew]

LMAO

[dark compass]

Gotta be the new record

[fast dew]

Anyways do you think Loid spends a lot of his time drawing

[tall echo]

No,

[fast dew]

Like when he's not being screwed over my Albrecht

[restive river]

Why does she have the sentient construction thing lol

[ashen pulsar]

oh, that kinda am

[fast dew]

MY ALBRECHT. IVE SAID IT TBAT MUCH MY KEYBOARD DOES IT

[languid parcel]

oh, it occurs to me-
since Rell was mentioned as a student in the Zariman
did the other Tenno have their own Duviri? Are there other Drifters?

[strange plinth]

one deal, one drifter

[dark compass]

You... Do get Wisp from popapopapolyst

Maybe the original character was different

[restive river]

The original concept for wisp was she was in Duviri

[ashen pulsar]

personally, I prefer this kinda am

[tall echo]

Repedepepele

[fast dew]

You know who I prefer

[tall echo]

Albrecht

[fast dew]

No actually im not gonna be a need

NEED. I MEAN NERD WHATS WRONG WITH ME

[tall echo]

Probably lack of sleep

[fast dew]

True i

Havent had much if any

[tall echo]

I'm running on involuntary 14 hours of sleep

[vale wind]

(Theoretical timeline stuff for Duviri)
-# so, taking to people it sorta makes sense each quest we did actually effected Duviri.
-# War Within = Bleeding Earth
-# Watchers (The Rain of Chains) = Chains of Harrow

-# Duviri is Created during the Zariman Accident
Early on:
-# Albrecht falls into Duviri.
-# Creates Scholars Landing and shunts it with himself to 1999
-# (Floating, Fall into The Void category + Island of Lorn)
-# might even be related New War Stuff with those names??
Abit later:
-# Cornucopia starts bleeding Kuva, thrax gets a-bit more concerned
-# The Rain of Chains happens. Thrax sees an active threat
-# Watchers Island and The Caves of Academe are taken
-# (timeline unknown but the Galleria is also taken by Wally after that)

(Still figuring out)
-# Manipura Island was likely while thrax was already under high tension so. After The Rain Of chains?
-# lake Verula feels random
-# the Necropolis Island also fell.. but that feels like it was later in my brain?

Any quest associations I might be missing??

[fast dew]

You said Albrecht made watchers Island instead of scholars Island, and he didn't immediately go to 1999 after he left duviri

[strange plinth]

yea, he was in the labs for a bit, as we see at the very start of whispers
that's the only bit that stands out immediately

[fast dew]

Mhm

He visited 1999 a lot before he permanently left

[strange plinth]

lake verula might be related to war within as well, as that's when elder queen is "burrowing" into operator's mind
and the golden maws are in there too

[fast dew]

Cuz you gotta put. Building the vessels somewhere

[fast dew]

I mean wait

Wait wait

Albrecht has a golden maw

[strange plinth]

oh, yeah.

[fast dew]

Shit.

[tall echo]

Spoke of sleep now I'm tired
Bruh

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[strange plinth]

even given that time is Weird in the void, that seems like too large of a gap to be directly tied

[fast dew]

Mucking hell

Leave it to Albrecht's damn netracells to ruin everything

My theory on how Albrecht never met vilcor and how Loid was around for the grandchildren gets spoiled by it too

Oh did yall know Albrecht would've apparently liked us?

[vale wind]

Oh?

[fast dew]

Mhm, his daughter says as much

And. Id trust her judgement

This is ignoring that he was drifter's teacher in duviri lol

[vale wind]

XD I kinda like that idea, that’s cool.
All be it funny in 1999.. and makes sense why he would be more.. familiar? With us.

[fast dew]

Its not even an idea, he is actively aware of both operator and drifter

are you more a child than your other?

Yes Albrecht I feel like im still 13 sometimes

[vale wind]

Like he talks to us like he knows us. Is what I mean.
So it makes sense if he’s the one who taught us

[fast dew]

Mhm

Drifter too is weirdly familiar too

Like dawg how are you aware of Albrecht's wife and possibly dead children

-# my favourite bit of hypothetical lore i get to bring up

Oh and that Gerivaine and Albrecht were genetically matched for an ideal offspring [Euleria/Mother]

Drifter isn't. Aware of that but its a bit of lore i like

Dont mess with Thomas he knows his Albrecht lore

[vale wind]

XD
still it’s nice to figure this out.
I loved collecting the lore fragments so being able to peace together a timeline is.. satisfying
Especially for my drifters headcannon.

[fast dew]

Oh have you gotten Albrecht's notes yet?

[vale wind]

Yep got the Cavia notes and everything

[fast dew]

Sick

[vale wind]

Maxed out the codex, prex cards, even all the Kurias

[fast dew]

Actually now that I know you have it, what is your opinion on the man?

[vale wind]

I don’t like him.. but there’s layers.

[fast dew]

Nodding. Reasonable

You'd be shocked at the amount of people who do not grasp that the man has layers.

Because apparently he could only ever be evil and. Be the worst human alive

A lot of people treat Albrecht like a ballas 2.0 and that annoys me to no end

Oh and shout out to the time someone said Albrecht must've abused his daughter because. "Look at how she acts"

As if she's not a classic case of bpd/autism

[vale wind]

Like objectively he’s.. TRYING. But an orokin mind, with orokin ideals has a more twisted sense to it.
And he’s fighting against something unfathomable.
He’s caused destruction but in pursuit of a defence.

If he was entirely evil we wouldn’t have Marie’s KIM dialogues

[fast dew]

He does not wish to do these things, is what sets him apart

[fast dew]

THANK YOU. you have no, no idea how many times people will discard that on the basis of "he was nice so he must've been manipulating her"

Because. Everything he does to those people must be in bad faith

Its a catch 22

Be nice and he's a manipulative bastard
Be distant and he's a cold manipulative bastard

[vale wind]

Well not exactly, it’s more boy who cried wolf. All his mistakes and missteps, the Kavia, the Hex. He can still DO good but his ways around it have left us as the players seeing him as a villain against a greater villain

[fast dew]

Mean while they're the same people claiming roathe is changing and he's being redeemed and he must be a soft baby and.

Hes a raging bigot 😭

[fast dew]

Mm, ive never seen him as a villain

Though perhaps thats because of a personal fault of mine

I do not like the man, make no mistake

But I do not see him as a villain

He's attempting to be neutral

[fast dew]

THANK YOU

Stealing this one

They even did his purplepink ears!

[fast dew]

Not because he. Believes he is above everyone, but because he cannot have these connections

He cannot afford to have these connections

[vale wind]

I mean lore wise he threw animals into the void as a plan to reset Wally.
It didn’t work and we walk in on them dying of Void Exposure.
We don’t know why or how until we read the lore.

Hex got turned into walking Carriers of Tetudo Syndrome

In general his plans are sound from his perspective. Warriors to fight the Murmur.
But to everyone else he’s ruining their lives for a reason they can’t fully understand nor does he lay out clearly
(The most we’ve seen him explain it is Thrax knowing how to stop the Murmur Cycle in Duviri)

[fast dew]

I will say he is. Predominantly disgusted by these actions, and. Outside the hex, the others willingly chose the serum

I'll also bring up another angle to the vaccine

It. Stopped it

It stopped techrot

At the cost of. Silent carriers

[vale wind]

True, but that’s exactly why I bring up why people see him as evil.
His actions or emotions aren’t fully laid out clearly for others to see or understand.

[lean garden]

Daughter is as bigoted as roathe

https://tenor.com/view/my-job-here-is-done-bye-done-gif-14879937

[fast dew]

And i do not have an issue with that one, but. People refuse to understand the other perspective

[dark compass]

Fork found in kitchen

Something something

[lean garden]

no

[dark compass]

Never ask an orokin woman the species of her boyfriend

[lean garden]

fork found in power socket

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-kahl-175-warframe-kahl-grineer-kahl-part-of-brothers-gif-13850644635602837774

[restive river]

At least she got better

[lean garden]

I mean... she learns to respect kahl and the liberated grineer after she calls him a vatrat on 3 separate occasions, but Roathe already had that lesson for him before he called vor a vatrat

[restive river]

Yeah
She got better
He didn’t

[fast dew]

Roathe is just a bigot and has no change

For that specific part

[lean garden]

actually why are we referring to vatrat as a slur

[fast dew]

Because? It fits the definition of a slur

[lean garden]

are we even supposed to be saying vatrat

[fast dew]

I mean.

1. We are not using it in a derogatory way, rather a clinical way [like Wikipedia]
2. It doesn't actually affect any real minority

[lean garden]

the "demeans a particular demographic/race based on characteristics particular to them" bit?

would that then extend to jokes made at the expense of the grineer?

[fast dew]

Depends on what the joke pertains, regardless its. Discriminatory

A term of abuse or contempt; esp. a highly offensive insult used to denigrate a person on the basis of race, gender, sexual orientation, etc.

From the Oxford dictionary, and. Id say that Vatrat does meet it

A joke is not a slur, though it can be derogatory

A slur is a term by itself, not supported by the context of the sentence

[lean garden]

so like this one:

Stand by while I analyze the intelligence profiles of the Grineer. Error, not a number! Did the Operator enjoy this witticism?

or

Ballistics and archaic weapons, crude and dangerous, just like the Grineer."

You'd think they'd clone something a little less... ugly

Although the last two arent exactly jokes

[fast dew]

Mm, I. Am unsure

It is putting down the grineer but is it doing it in a discriminatory way?

Because. Calling someone ugly isnt. Particularly discriminatory

But. Calling the grineer as a whole... hm

[gray bloom]

Well considering the "ugliness" is mostly genetic

Wouldnt that be like calling someone with a genetic disease ugly

[fast dew]

Yeah I can agree on that

[gray bloom]

Even if it is not discriminatory it would be severely offensive

[lean garden]

mhmm