lore-discussion

[restive river]

You can do that

Mr Blueman

[strange plinth]

he'll start talking again once you hit 21

i think you can only fail by not getting to 21 if you get to like. 18 and stop

[fast dew]

I think you fail with a certain amount of thermostat

Or. Within a certain threshold

I. Think it was -5 to 5+

[gray trench]

I will say that I agree with the earlier point of Marie being somewhat flat, because she basically flipped on a dime about albrecht

[fast dew]

Whuh

That. Isnt the issue with her 😭 she comes to the conclusion that he is complicated, not that he's evil

[strange plinth]

it takes a good amount of her convos to convince her to actually think about it
i don't think that's really 'on a dime'

[fast dew]

You literally do it at the very end of her chats lol

After. So many ones trying to convince her otherwise

Theres. The huge argument

Which was the catalyst

[gray trench]

Yes, but she goes from unquestioning, has 1 night of meditation on it and goes 'you're right' he's not a saint

[dark compass]

Tagfer vs Marie

truly a horrible collision

[fast dew]

Yeah that

That happens. I do that

I did that with Marie lol

[dark compass]

You do horrible collisions?

[fast dew]

Ducky did that with Marie after the argument

which. Was really funny

[fast dew]

Yes I slip between objects because my hitbox is jank

I struggle with cube collisions 💔

[strange plinth]

Drifter. I have taken some time to think and to... calm myself. I have a strict rule regarding engaging in conversations while I am furieuse.
hits a high point during the previous convo, Marie takes time to think about it and go over previous stuff, comes back with her final opinion on him the next day

[restive river]

My view of her fully flipped with that one

[fast dew]

Marie is a logical woman, she's rarely hysterical enough to not step back and think

She insulted the family and. That cannot stand. At least for me

[restive river]

Marie will go down as the most disappointing proto
Skin first
Character second

I don’t know anyone who romanced her for her personality

[fast dew]

I am thankful she didn't say that shit in front of them

[gray trench]

On the one hand I understand she's shown to be good at understanding her emotions and introspecting on why she feels the way she does, on the other.

It takes 1 night for her to go from devoted to le cardinale to 'oh I was projecting my father onto albrecht and that's why I thought of him as a saint'

Even if it took her just a night of meditation to realize that it would have been nice if it took her longer to process or deconstruct her thinking. It's just very sudden.

[restive river]

What she said about Tagfer is what does it tbh, her dogging on Mother just made it worse

[fast dew]

Mhm

Accusing the family, accusing mother that she's why her father never returned was

Disgusting to me

[restive river]

Her obsession with Albrecht ruins so much of her character and it’s so disappointing

[fast dew]

Im so very glad she didn't say that shit in front of them because. Mother would be a lot less chill with her living in her basement I think

[restive river]

Oh my partner asked a question after a handful of interactions with Marie
Does she pass the bechdel test?
As in does she go any convos without bringing up a man

[fast dew]

As in. In a romantic sense?

Not to my knowledge, she mentions the sisterhood she spent her childhood in with a lot though

[restive river]

She would tell Father to reprogram the necramechs to go for her specifically

[restive river]

As in at all

[fast dew]

Even with R5 Mother's growth. She would've been. Pissed

[restive river]

I’m still unsure if the game reads that I have that
My chats changed so i think it did but the Triad are so draining mentally by this point

[fast dew]

Yeah I think so? There's. A conversation where she talks about a older nun in the sisterhood, im pretty sure she doesn't mention a man?

[restive river]

In that entire Kim convo?
Cause ik in her past she mentions some men

[fast dew]

Its hard to not do it when she's in a male dominated story

At. The current time

[restive river]

To be clear I’m not trying to like
Say anything about DE with this it’s more a fun thing cause she constantly talks about Albrecht lol

[dark compass]

I feel like they geniunely knew it and that's why the minefield is here

[restive river]

True, but it’s not impossible either

[restive river]

Yup

[dark compass]

Tbf most if not all of the KIM writing is done by a different person they hired

[fast dew]

She is built around.. Albrecht but I don't think its for the purpose of playing her off as a dumb woman

Though

[restive river]

Yeah ik

[fast dew]

Knowing the writer, apparently that's a common trope she does

[restive river]

That’s not what I’m trying to imply lol

[fast dew]

No no

I get it its just, another thing folk try to bring up

[restive river]

Again it’s more of a fun thing and if she doesn’t pass the test I think it’s accidental if anything

[fast dew]

Mhm

[restive river]

I wish she was more witchy or something
Mostly that her everything wasn’t bogged down with Albrecht lol

[dark compass]

What if Marie was evil

[restive river]

Like I get it but there was def a better way to do this

[restive river]

She wouldn’t be datable and many would weep

[dark compass]

Roathe exists

[restive river]

Unfortunately

[strange plinth]

what if Marie was Equinox

[strange turtle]

Roathe doesn’t count he’s the Elmo Squelch expy

[restive river]

Genuinely concerned they could do a Nitokh proto
I’m sorry but what are we even supposed to do with that
She won’t let us control her
Fixing her isn’t an option
Romance should never even be on the table
Pls DE, no Nitokh proto

[gray trench]

I don't think they will, if anything a "new ballas" seems more likely

[restive river]

Please omg

I do think we will get a garuda leverian that will partially serve as a more direct tease and intro to Nitokh

[gray trench]

Having Garuda be a warframe designed for Nitokh would work well

[restive river]

Designed for or by

[fast dew]

She could've served both aspects...

[restive river]

And Equinox would have gotten an update probably lol

[fast dew]

Yk i still think its weird that so many people were aware of ballas making warframes as if it wasnt a hidden experiment

[gray trench]

I'm not hip enough to know the Nitokh lore if she can make warframes

[fast dew]

And a better skin that isnt as dogshit as her deluxe

[restive river]

The hidden thing was the Tenno

[restive river]

Well I said design not made by
Parvos designed protea

[fast dew]

Mm, I figured it counted as execution so it needed to be hidden from folk

[fast dew]

Albrecht designed Qorvex :D

[lean garden]

there were volunteers so

[strange plinth]

the process behind it might've been hidden, not necessarily that ballas was making them

[gray trench]

Ohhh, designed would be good

[fast dew]

Man what even is the Line they draw with what they count as execution

Because. The person is. As dead as a cephalon would be

[strange plinth]

do we know of any other execution methods than Jade Light and Glassing
ig yareli n umbra got warframed as punishments, but were those considered executions?
mirage too maybe idr

[gray trench]

Qorvex Protea and Garuda protoframes next

The bad person bodyguard group

[fast dew]

I just. Can't properly see the line

Because clearly its not fully killing a person

[strange plinth]

throw hildryn in there too then, she was ballas's bodyguard

[fast dew]

Good bodyguard group

Protea

[gray trench]

I didn't know that BUT yes yes yes I need the hildryn proto yesterday

[strange plinth]

you could technically consider voruna to be tuvul's guard?
though voruna guarded the continuity ritual more than tuvul himself
and she ate him later so yk

[fast dew]

As one does

I just wish they stopped making protos unless it makes sense in a narrative way

[lean garden]

I dont think she'd count, since tuvul likely wouldnt be around all the time for the ritual

[fast dew]

-# like making Loid a proto in response to him seeing the family again

Cmon let there be some genuine consequences

[dark compass]

Bold of you to assume this will have plot relevance going forward

[gray trench]

It's been such a big deal, surely it has plot relevance

[dark compass]

What about people who just didn't do it? This is not really a story objective like the good hex ending

[fast dew]

Which is why a optional cosmetic change to Loid could work

[dark compass]

Story going forward:
Drifter helped: "Thanks to you we have managed to get our little reunion"
Drifter didn't help: " I decided enough is enough and mustered my strength to go outside"

[gray trench]

Maybe they make it the check for the next quest? Like you need loid and the family to be talking for them to synthesize a means to travel to Tau?

[fast dew]

Realistically it wouldn't be a huge change like the ending to the hex

But it would be a very heavy consequence

Like im gonna fight Liger for just. Doing this for the shits and giggles

[dark compass]

You have my full support

[fast dew]

Christ sometimes I forget how thin Limbo's arms are

[strange plinth]

Megan: "while, yes, absolutely, we'd love to do more protoframes, we want to do more protoframes, they'll be very selective on where they would go"
from the shenpai interview
take it as you will

[fast dew]

HEHEHEHR

Delusion.

THOUGH MY DELISION MANIFESTED A LOID KIM

AND A LOID FLOOF

[dark compass]

I really hope it means that Triad will get a proper update/story focus

[fast dew]

There is a beetle.

[dark compass]

And that DE just rushed their skins for release

We will go back to 1899

Kill scaldra knights

[strange plinth]

roundtable 2

[fast dew]

They were listening...

The walls do whisper !!!

They have eyes in the walls and they're listening

This sounds really weird actually

[dark compass]

The blind eyes that hear everything

[gray trench]

I think of the 2 options, roundtable two is more likely

[dark compass]

The deaf ears that see everything

[gray trench]

I don't think we'll see 1899

[restive river]

Since they aren’t in a loop I want to see them transform

[strange plinth]

not beyond the crypt, no
doesn't sound like there's anything that would need our presence out there

[fast dew]

Ive been at this for a bit

God since September??? Christ

For. 5 months ish

[dark compass]

Floid loof..

[fast dew]

FemLoid and FemAlbrecht, turn this shit into old woman yuri

Because. There just isnt enough

[dark compass]

Is it wrong to say that there's much more female on female romance in videogames than male on male

[fast dew]

Man this might be survivorship bias because. Ive not engaged in a single bit of media that had.. Yuri 😭

Tbf I. Don't engage with media that has. Yaoi either but still even the fandom doesn't like it

[strange plinth]

probably not

[dark compass]

We must preserve warframe for the value it has

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17498260713109834464

[strange plinth]

*rapidly backs away*

[fast dew]

Oh and. Yeah there is the whole. Straight men fetishising lesbians which makes it more common

I do just ignore that stuff for some reason

Which. By definition Yaoi is its counterpart

[dark compass]

"You. Are. Right on time. Congratulations. "

[rare scarab]

wait does everyone eat cube food in the origin system? Or just Tenno?

No chef frame yet

[strange plinth]

just the tenno
the ostron have fruit + fish
the grineer in iron wake have some sludge iirc
there's some solaris food container thing but i don't think we ever see actual food

[rare scarab]

oh right, ig they can eat fruit u pick up

and fish

[fast dew]

Tbh the cube food probably is more of a long term space faring thing

[rare scarab]

tenno do be drinking that Kuva

chugging, as in using a lot for riven mods

Ik people do be talking about void food

[rare scarab]

wonder if any of the solaris try to make mushroom food

[fast dew]

They have nutrient paste iirc

[rare scarab]

Nokko mission kinda felt half baked imo

[rare scarab]

they eating soylent green

[stiff fable]

we know Nightcap did!

[rare scarab]

oh i don’t remember him talking about cooking the shrooms

[stiff fable]

yeah he mentions how they taste in a few places

[rare scarab]

wonder if they were thinking of making mushrooms focused infested

[stiff fable]

It comes up a lot when he talks about Dull Buttons

that'd be a cool idea

[rare scarab]

tho Nokko kinda already is

[stiff fable]

I think the idea is that they're doing mini expansions to the open worlds

Whispers was a BIG expansion to Deimos, but Duviri got Isleweaver and Fortuna got the Undermine

[strange plinth]

now we just need the unum,,

[stiff fable]

that's my guess yeah

[rare scarab]

It would be funny if they gave Nokko’s Bouncing Ball Eximus to enemies and the ball bounce between the other Nokko eximus

[stiff fable]

that'd be nasty actually, I like it

[rare scarab]

I imagine there would be some gameplay issues with that

[stiff fable]

probably, but maybe it can work like a thrall?

[rare scarab]

max 5 at a time doing that or lag machine

[stiff fable]

they pick a random normal enemy to be the receiver and it gets a buff every time the ball bounces to them

[rare scarab]

who are thrall again?

duiviri?

[stiff fable]

oh, kuva liches

remember the guys that you have to kill for the password combos?

[rare scarab]

oh thrall is a revenant thing

not a mini boss?

[stiff fable]

they're kinda like the lich minibosses yeah

I'd call them something like "dash eximus" I suppose

[dark compass]

Elemental superpower of moving fast

[stiff fable]

they start as a normal enemy but get randomly picked to get a level buff and the extra superdash power

[cunning ore]

Nah, i mean by those film movie with typical villain has experienced sth to be evil.

I finally have a lil free-time

And yea Operator quite sussy and too powerful, especially when they so loyal to Lotus that they likely will do everything for her.
Another reason, Void seem also want Lotus. At the Lotus Eater? And every time we see MITW, i swear, our Operator's Indifferent really like to put on that Lotus Helmet

😭

[restive river]

Unum raid :]

Or
Reverse descendia
Go up instead

[dark compass]

Cetus overmind

[clever linden]

Oh ok that explains things.

I think I’ve done it like 4 times or something. So I just avoid talking to him until I’ve done 21, then everything should be accessible?

[strange turtle]

Now they’re just taunting us

He needs hugs, and yet, still no option to give him them

[twin wigeon]

I just realized smth

Why do we not have more iconic kubrows?

Like we have Kalymos and Rook

Popcorn

[fast dew]

Maybe he's just uncomfortable with. Physical contact...? Smthn smthn not thinking he served the family out of love? Not love = no affection?

[fast dew]

Somehow more iconic kavats than the whole quest of kubrow

[twin wigeon]

Exactly

We even have a iconic moa

And legs who is a moa

[fast dew]

Poor dude..

[strange turtle]

Rook?

[twin wigeon]

Palladino’s cat

Smh Rodney

[strange turtle]

ohh- SHE HAS A CAT?

[twin wigeon]

Duh

He eeps next to her now

[dark compass]

There's one kubrow that's a pet of Baruuk

But you wouldn't know if you haven't bought a Baruuk collection

Nobody bought Baruuk collection

[dire mountain]

Her name is rook

[radiant pier]

okay yeah gotta make sure Nova gets to the future

[pale cedar]

Media comprehension isn't strong with this one

[radiant pier]

lay cool so we can just bring future stuff with us into the past like the k-drive

I do wonder why we haven't explored more of 1999 with our Archwing then

[twin wigeon]

Bc we’d get gunned down

[pale cedar]

1999 relic missions when?

Surely the Void was spitting stuff out to 1999

Surely this can work

[fast dew]

Surely

[zenith ore]

K drive would be kinda useless, but amir will surely like it

[fast dew]

The scaldra new recruit getting dragged by the void and shown horrors beyond comprehension

[cunning ore]

I doubt that, we don't have void holes there but..ETA a modify so dunno if it count

[fast dew]

Mm. Aoi does mention the necramech. I do not know how the necramech gets there.

[cunning ore]

It's Albretch Invention tho, so i think you can ask him.

[fast dew]

No, its a Father invention

[cunning ore]

Hmm, mb then

[fast dew]

Regardless, you'd need to have. Some contact with either a railjack, orbiter or the tech in the labs

[cunning ore]

Since Loid the only standing for it so i just meh

I mean what they call of that flying-skull again, my head hurt

[fast dew]

Necraloid

[cunning ore]

Oh, yea. Necraloid, so Necraliod with the secret door to the lab. If father was the one who made them, then i feel unsettling at why Loid was indeed chosen to be The Necra-standing thing

[fast dew]

Father has his own deal

But. I believe it was because that room is inaccessible by the family

And the necramechs aren't supposed to be. Built because mother doesn't like it

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

Deal you say?

[cunning ore]

And one thing, i forget. The necramech that protecting the Heart. The Father seem not the one who really know how to dispose it.

Or was it manfested by something, orders or? I forgot it since it was so long

[cunning ore]

No deal.

Oh, i would bargain a deal to revive Ballas. How does it cost?

🙁

I just want to revive him and love him tho

😔

[pale cedar]

No

Let him stay dead because reviving him would ruin it

[radiant pier]

guys y'all should answer their question

[zenith ore]

I wanted to ask this question some time ago but I forgot, I would love an answer

[twin wigeon]

It was Grandmother who "manifested" it

[cunning ore]

And one more question, can we make it auto-pilot? Plss?

[radiant pier]

wait uh, did you finish the quest?

cuz that whole thing is kinda explained immediately after

[cunning ore]

I did but it too long ago and i was a baby Tenno that booogaga Jade mom

[twin wigeon]

Nothing beats a family reunion than a crisis that would endanger the Necralisk and force outsiders to help patch the situation and the family

[radiant pier]

more like implied but it's almost sooooo directly implied

yeah grandmother's like.... talking about how a crisis such as that could bring about a family reunion

which kindaaa makes it really obvious is was her idea LMAO

[twin wigeon]

Yeah that tidbit about the necramech is DIRECTLY mentioned by grandmother

shes a genius

[radiant pier]

"must've been the wind"

I feel as if....therapy...would've been the cheaper option

[strange turtle]

It’d be pretty good for an area with a bunch of tight spaces and back-alleys and stuff

[cunning ore]

How? Can i ask her to auto-pilot my Necramech? And also can i ask her how to not be disrupted in Transference or she have the other type of Transfer- oh, nah, mb that explained with Orphix but ugh, it different?

[twin wigeon]

they're infested worm-orokin hybrid that live on an infested moon filled with highly infectious organisms...

No.

[cunning ore]

🙁 I'm sad, i do really want to auto-pilot my necramech

[twin wigeon]

Necramechs are sentry robots, they're stupid on their own, barely functional with orders, but pack a massive punch regardless

theres a reason they're phased out in the Old War

"Dumber than a bag of hammers, they are. Packs more punch than one"

[radiant pier]

it's the future, they might have some really damn good therapists you never know

[cunning ore]

Does the Heart work like Orphix or there an exceptional? And what made a necramech be a suit indeed of sentry robots?

[twin wigeon]

or smth

[twin wigeon]

Heart pumps void energy straight from the void into our universe. Destroying it disables alllll void tech and subsequently access to our framas... big no no

[cunning ore]

And why it look like a big-head with small diaper Bonewindow design?

[twin wigeon]

Thats Voidrig

[pale cedar]

They weren't even phased out

They were just passed on to be use in the War but family continued using them

[cunning ore]

I got confused. Like they said that the Heart created a wave that pushing we out of the warframe so i'm confusing at that. Like what that wave?

[twin wigeon]

Well phased out as in the Old War stopped using them and opted for bio drone warframes before transference happened

[twin wigeon]

Orphix wave and that wave from the heart operate similarly in which they disrupt Void energy/signals, like the one connecting us to our frames

[zenith ore]

Weeeeeeellllll, I'm not sure. But maybe they should add a free roam mode no? 🤔

[twin wigeon]

They're different, but operate the same

[cunning ore]

So the heart got functions: creating waves to disrupt Void but also pumping Void in the world?

[twin wigeon]

Necramechs are Shielded from this hence why they were good initially agains the sentients

[twin wigeon]

more like damaging the heart, stopped it from producing energy to power transference

[zenith ore]

Did albrecht create that heart by any chance?

[twin wigeon]

Likely?

my theory is theres a wally finger in there

[cunning ore]

The heart got damaged by the Infestation from the Strain and it disrupt the transference?

[twin wigeon]

mucking about

[strange turtle]

Not power transference. Power voidtech. Transference itself worked just fine

[zenith ore]

Another? I'm not so sure about this

[strange turtle]

Wtf happened to the message

[zenith ore]

There's alr one in the zariman

[twin wigeon]

theres clones

[pale cedar]

“It's what makes you special, you know that, right? All thanks to my father. It pumps the arteries of 'the here' and the Void. The Entrati family maintained it for an age. But it's breaking down, and the only idiot that knows how to fix it... the man I used to call my husband.”

[zenith ore]

I ate it

Mb

[twin wigeon]

thats why wally is still really mad, we're cloning his stolen flesh to power our greed

[strange turtle]

Not powering transference, it powers voidtech* I had more idk why stuff was missing

[zenith ore]

Father

[cunning ore]

To think the Original System breathing Wally's tissue after using it many ways--

I feel my mind got serious damaged

[zenith ore]

That's his main objective then? Getting back his finger/s? Or killing albrecht and whatnot, of both

[twin wigeon]

Wally's finger is used in several ways, again MY THEORY is that the Heart has a Finger in there. Only way to find out is to cut it open which we can't do

[zenith ore]

The zariman is powered by void energy no?

[twin wigeon]

More like threatening Albrecht to reveal the location of his fingers

[zenith ore]

The very energy that comes from the finger

[twin wigeon]

Used void energy but not powered by it directly i don't think

kinda like our railjacks has an engine but it has the Reliquary Drive to wormhole us place to place

[pale cedar]

The finger is its engine

[twin wigeon]

hm? So the zariman does use it as an engine?

[zenith ore]

That could support the heart finger theory I suppose

[cunning ore]

As its Void Energy, i'm so sure it from Wally

How exactly it an infinite fuel? Like if we burnt it it just re-created itself?

[zenith ore]

I think, that as long as wally lives. It will keep pumping energy. Not so sure but just a thought

[twin wigeon]

Well its energy from the void so its not to be expected that it obeys conventional physics

just like how time is wonky in Duviri

[cunning ore]

Can people eat Duviri's plants or cook its?

[radiant pier]

think of....a whole universe made of energy

[cunning ore]

It can dismantled into other parts so i wonder

[zenith ore]

Well the void is just so complicated the more you think about it the more crazy you get. Even if it's real life

It's just too complicated and for the human mind to absorb

[cunning ore]

Can i manifested it to copy a healthy food, will it make a healthy food?

[fast dew]

Albrecht mention
-# yes im late

[zenith ore]

Why would you want it to copy a healthy food.

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-the-man-in-the-wall-warframe-1999-warframe-you-are-late-warframe-jojo-gif-4432154459658682236

[zenith ore]

Welcome late

[cunning ore]

Why not? Food is good, food is yummy

[fast dew]

Loid would be disappointed in me. I know

But. I was trying to figure out. Whatever song is playing here lol
https://youtu.be/pl_4SobiEHs?si=z0lsjvtJKBNEAUuv

[zenith ore]

The name of it?

[twin wigeon]

Oh the Duviri Paradox somachord?

[fast dew]

Yeah lol

Im slowly getting dragged into duviri lore because. Mother

[twin wigeon]

its literally called Duviri Paradox

thats the name. of the somachord

[fast dew]

Oh.

https://tenor.com/view/meme-anime-gif-22734101

[twin wigeon]

mmm

i have it on repeat

i would know

or well that and Roses Rising from the Abyss

[fast dew]

I have the sanctum or Yara Jeliira

[twin wigeon]

and Dreadnaught

[fast dew]

Isnt it. Roses from the abyss or

[twin wigeon]

nope its Roses rising from the abyss im sure

the day i found out its location, i bum rushed Hell just to scan it

[pale cedar]

The heart uses the Void spreading all void tech energy everywhere including the drive Void not running out so it's infinite energy not necessarily infinite recourse to make tech

[twin wigeon]

Its infinite Energy that is not free of consequence

[fast dew]

Its in such a weird place lol

[twin wigeon]

The consequence being that you bother a really old and already pissed godlike entity

[fast dew]

The most important part about sustainable energy is that it needs to be.. sustainable

It needs to replace its resources faster than it can use them

Which is probably what is happening

[zenith ore]

To answer your question, you'd need strong emotions, kind of? And control of what you want. Like you'd have to be very hungry and have a strong intent on eating. Sorry for not answering you first.

[pale cedar]

You can have infinite energy but if you haven't got infinite resources you're missing a component

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure all that taken from the void, returns to the void, like argon crystals

[fast dew]

Its unable to stay outside it for too long

[twin wigeon]

so duviri plants won't last too long

[fast dew]

We might have something to stabilise it

[twin wigeon]

decorational plants however are probably just copies or recreations

[strange turtle]

Actually

[zenith ore]

Do u think it would perhaps, lose it form? And not actually return

[lean garden]

I mean, if that were the case, our plants would have the same issue as argon no?

[twin wigeon]

likely it'll devolve into energy and then return

[zenith ore]

That

It makes more sense

[fast dew]

I reckon we got the same thing as wally being able to be outside the void if near a "conduit"

[twin wigeon]

since yk its the concept of a plant that doesn't exist normally

[fast dew]

For the plants and fish I mean

[lean garden]

then why arent argon crystals stable

[fast dew]

I mean. Im referring to conceptual embodiment specifically

[lean garden]

I think the whole decay thing is really just for argon

[twin wigeon]

oh sh i didn't consider fish

[fast dew]

Im not sure argon crystals are related to that

[zenith ore]

But wouldn't that also apply on wally's finger? He's originally from or formed from the void.

[fast dew]

They might just be void manifestations of another nature

[lean garden]

I dont think theres anything that would indicate that the CEs need void gogo juice to last outside the void or else they disappear

[fast dew]

Mmmmm. Roathe mentions it

[twin wigeon]

well most of wally's flesh nowadays is just clones of clones

[fast dew]

Somewhere. Its mentioned Somewhere

[twin wigeon]

Ask Sythel or Dante

[zenith ore]

Wally is too confusing for me

[fast dew]

Is it. In the conduit conversation..

[twin wigeon]

they'd know, surely

[twin wigeon]

It confused Dante briefly

before the Whispers set in

[zenith ore]

What did the whispers say? Or is just murmurs

[ocean geyser]

No actual words

We only know things (like the book) started yapping to him and then he got the Conjuring experience

[zenith ore]

Hmm

[strange turtle]

Sirocco, Drifter’s clothes and equipment, the Kaithe etc, all do fine outside Duviri and the Void

[zenith ore]

This whole thing is confusing

For me at least

[fast dew]

Found it. Void must be there for conceptual embodiment to follow

As in. Items made by it

[fast dew]

Also no its roses from the abyss 💔

[twin wigeon]

dammit

[strange turtle]

The only stuff we know that have a time limit are the Argon crystals (and not another form of void crystal, the Prisma crystals), and the Incarnons, which are a tranformation/modifcation that can be done anywhere but needs energy to fuel it

[lean garden]

but thomas, that doesnt say they need void to persist

like at all

[fast dew]

...yes. it needs to be around the void for it to follow, this is in reference to wally, which is, as far as we know, and in the context of this conversation, is

It cannot be outside it.

[zenith ore]

Maybe, just maybe. The mats has to be formed into something for it to stay in shape and not ummmmm.. Dissolve? Or return to the void.

[zenith ore]

When using argon on warframes. It won't just disappear it stays there

I think 🤓

[fast dew]

Or, if it is, is in close proximity to a void "battery"

[ocean geyser]

Certainly possible that different things need different Void concentrations

[fast dew]

Mhm

[zenith ore]

Yes

[fast dew]

Plants and fish might need less to sustain itself, meaning it could live off us

[zenith ore]

Huh

[fast dew]

Argon crystals are. Different. Are they literally the gas argon?

[ocean geyser]

Im not sure how much Wally needed, Albrecht being there was enough (although he used us to get there)

[ocean geyser]

Could be named after it

[fast dew]

Cause there might be just. Its too unstable out of the void because it needs very high amounts of pressure of cold to keep itself in that form

[pale cedar]

I wonder who CE the holdfasts because I can't think of anyone who was thinking about them at the time

[fast dew]

Themselves iirc

[ocean geyser]

Themselves yeah

[fast dew]

Died and. Did that

[fast dew]

Also somehow otak has some behind him so

It could be a model but damn

[ocean geyser]

Otak discovered it or something

Bro really likes ore

[fast dew]

He anticipated the properties argon has

[strange turtle]

goatak

[fast dew]

Also like

Outside the necralisk being the void research enclave™, why was otak anywhere close to there 😭

And what did he do that got him glassed?

[strange turtle]

I figured he was just a case like Suda

[pale cedar]

Wasn't it because he got Ill?

[fast dew]

Maybe?

[fast dew]

Nemesis i think thats Suda 😭 whats happening this isnt like you

[zenith ore]

Where did you hear that

[fast dew]

Nemesis is off his game

[pale cedar]

I'm not

[fast dew]

You. You are a dude right

[vestal vine]

Who wins, Combine Empire from Half-Life universe or the whole Origin System united

[vestal vine]

Stars

[zenith ore]

Never played half life sadly

[lean garden]

thats uh, not how the sentence can logically conclude as:

"where the void goes, CE can follow. And only there"

-> "where the void goes, CE can only follow"

This is in regards to the manifestation of CE, in essence, where there is void, there is bound to be the manifestation of these things, and only there.

It does not preclude the maintenance of CE outside of it, because the sentence deals with the manifestation

Otherwise, we'd have to ludonarratively write off incarnons persisting even after you've shelved them for a long period (looking at you phenmor) dontcha think?

[vestal vine]

U should

🥶

[zenith ore]

Perhaps when I get my pc, 2 more months

[strange turtle]

Otak: "Citrine wanted Belric and Rania to be together… in her!"
Loid: "Dignity, Otak! Dignity at all times."

Lmao

I’ve not heard this one

[lean garden]

lol is this real?

[vestal vine]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[fast dew]

Oh oh oh I have. A line i like

[strange turtle]

Yeah it’s from the Archives

[lean garden]

means one of us actually found it

[vestal vine]

Whar

[strange turtle]

Ts is gold how have I missed all the good lines

Otak: "And then Citrine punched the asteroid! Pow!"
Loid: "Otak does like to mix up his stories."

[cunning ore]

Wwtf?

[strange turtle]

Otak: "Citrine's story happened back in Old War times. At least a week ago. Maybe more!"

Otak: "Citrine was a warframe! You know what that means? Warframes were real!

[pale cedar]

Uhh
Void storm spike

[strange turtle]

This man must have been the funniest in that house back in the day

Has to just be innate talent

[fast dew]

Otak "Some folks say Citrine's story happened right here on Deimos."

Loid "Yes, they do say that. Despite being politely asked not to."

Who are they telling not to 😭 us?

[ocean geyser]

Alternatively
Necraloid keeps trying to get Otak to stop telling the story

[fast dew]

Otak "They say the two are connected through the Void to this day!"

Loid "What would our old master had made of that?"

:)

. Our

[ocean geyser]

[fast dew]

Our as in. Both?

Both of them??

Loid's role would be. Under Otak

[strange turtle]

Well, he was already on Deimos and doing research

And they’re pretty fond of him

Makes sense he was part of the household

[fast dew]

Why is Necraloid saying both of them served Albrecht?
I. Like I guess by status alone but. It. Something is wrong with that and I can't remember what

[pale cedar]

"You'll have to excuse Otak. His personality was damaged irreparably by Deimos' energies, making it necessary to transfer his intelligence to this, our current shared form. Unfortunately, my attempted defragmentation of his persona matrix was not a 'complete success.”

[fast dew]

Oh yeah was it ever stated that Otak is. A cephalon or was he. The result of. Necralisation?

[ocean geyser]

I think it would be really funny if regular Otak was nothing like his current self

[fast dew]

Well if he was an Archimedian, I wouldn't expect him to be. Making jokes as much as he does

[pale cedar]

I don't think he was called one but I'll have a look it was a theory at the time rather than fact when the quest released

[twin wigeon]

he was

[ocean geyser]

I definitely say he was

[twin wigeon]

Marie talks about him and Drifter confirms his former archimedian status

[ocean geyser]

It’s in the same quote about him and Argon too

[fast dew]

Mm. From the one line Loid has, he. Doesnt really seem to know otak I think? Hes. Glad that hes happy but he doesn't share the same small anecdotes that he does with Drusus

[twin wigeon]

its endearing that his focus study was about minerals as an archimedian

like even though he's missing alot of himself, he still loves minerals

[ocean geyser]

You can’t ever take the interest in cool rocks from a fella

[stiff beacon]

maybe loid and pre cephalon otak werent that close

[fast dew]

He. Also wouldve been a cephalon by the time they left

[fast dew]

Yeah I think so, im just. Trying to put together a timeline for something

Mainly who's Archimedian diadem is in the netracells lmao

Like the easy answer would be Otak

[stiff beacon]

ya think its albrechts?

[fast dew]

But if Loid isnt familiar with him, I dont think. Albrecht would be to the point of putting his diadem in the netracells

Im thinking its his or Mother's

[ocean geyser]

Even though he probably wasn’t glassed for illness reasons, the intent would be to continue
Doing Archimedian things

[fast dew]

Im not sure on mother fully, and it very much cannot be Daughter's or son's

I don't. Think he likes father all that much 😭

[lean garden]

what if it was kaeli before she got disqualified

grandpappy buys the diadem for his granddaughter

[fast dew]

She couldn't be one from the get go, wasn't it?

[lean garden]

she said disqualified on a technicality, didnt say at what part of the process I think

[fast dew]

Still, I wouldn't. Put much weight to it

Highest chance is that its Albrecht

He has Loid for a reason

[pale cedar]

Xenobiology and xenobotany with a special focus in synergetic Void harmonics, yes. Disqualified from application to the Archimedean Collegium on a technicality."

[fast dew]

Ah. During application

[pale cedar]

Didn't even get allowed in

[fast dew]

Yeah so not her

[pale cedar]

Maybe Mother became one

[fast dew]

Mm, that's the second choice

[fast dew]

Still not over Albrecht having the token of Vilcor's mother in the netracells and not Vilcor's Lmao

Like did he not like you or something

[stiff beacon]

i mean tbf vilcor is an engineer

[ocean geyser]

Funny considering he made the necramechs for him

[fast dew]

Grandmother isnt even a scientist 😭

She's literally just a lady

A very wise one, and one similar to Albrecht

But damn man

[stiff beacon]

yes however shes just involved in alot of wacky stuff

[fast dew]

He also doesn't have son's

[twin wigeon]

Very cunning too or smth according to roathe

[ocean geyser]

Iirc roathe was sorta upset with the Naberus moment

Well not upset but yj

[fast dew]

But i could brush off son's not being there because. Disgrace of the family and all

[fast dew]

What? He has lines about that?

[stiff beacon]

yes

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[stiff beacon]

in the kimchat

[fast dew]

Sick. When did that happen 😭

God so I just missed it

[stiff beacon]

yea

[twin wigeon]

Yeah hes like Dagath losing a perfectly good name is so unlike her

[fast dew]

OHHHHH

Yeah ew that one

[stiff beacon]

its when he name drops fathers real name

[twin wigeon]

she'dve found a way around that somehow

[fast dew]

I got sideswiped by Gerivaine in that conversation

[twin wigeon]

we know

[fast dew]

LMFAO yeah i

Knew she existed, just not the name

[pale cedar]

Thomas
This isn't like you you're off the family game

[fast dew]

It was an argument I had with. Another lore person in the other server

[fast dew]

Oh shut up 😭 its late and I forgot to take my meds

[twin wigeon]

in the other server? you're cheating on us???

[ocean geyser]

Mm tasty argument

[fast dew]

LMFAO no there's a good reason I do not like that server.

[twin wigeon]

and you say it so casually too

[fast dew]

Nemesis knows why.

[pale cedar]

Equal rights equal fights

[fast dew]

All fun and games until I throw a bird at you

[ocean geyser]

What kind bird

[twin wigeon]

don't throw a goose at them

[fast dew]

Galah or major Mitchell's cockatoo :3

[twin wigeon]

maybe a sawgaw

[pale cedar]

Bird vs book

[fast dew]

Bird vs paper

[ocean geyser]

Bird 3 vs paper

[pale cedar]

I'm only made of paper just when not in upgraded form

So it's bird vs Void energy

[fast dew]

Oh yeah how does grandmother talk to bird 3

[ocean geyser]

What if someone just gave her an entrati styled telephone or something

[pale cedar]

Hopefully with the English language

[ocean geyser]

Yk I’ve always wondered how the family moves around
Are the infested flowers they sleep in some sort of
Tunnel system?

[pale cedar]

DE really be giving us random lore that states the opposite of prior lore

[ocean geyser]

Cause Vilcor and Grandmother go out
Vilcor does it to shoot Murmur from what i can tell

[fast dew]

Isnt he. Right in front of the room to necraloid and the labs?

[ocean geyser]

Depends on which ruins were being spoken of in the quotes

[ocean geyser]

Ah yeah

[fast dew]

Well. Mother says he when talking about the isovaults.

I think a lot of us collectively assumed he was Albrecht

[pale cedar]

Wally using the front door

Albrecht honestly should've locked the door to only himself

Why allow Void entities through

[ocean geyser]

To be fair the murmur made the mechs think they were him so
That’s Loid’s theory i think
That or it was said in the codex

[lean garden]

bird 3 has legs

bird 3 can walk up the stairs too

[fast dew]

I. Do not know if th cavia going up to the infestation is a good idea

Something known to be afraid of wally and. The void

[zenith ore]

What? the family doesn't know about the lab and shi down there right?

[tall echo]

They do after getting loid to go upstairs

[fast dew]

they do now lol

[zenith ore]

Ah shit I got spoiled, welp.

[pale cedar]

So many players forgetting to that and missing out

[zenith ore]

I'm not finished with the whole message thingy

If it's related

[tall echo]

I'm not forgetting, I just don't want to force burnout by doing the roach fight

21 times.

That's just stupid game design

[zenith ore]

To complete the whole thing with him I have to fight him 21 TIMES???

[tall echo]

Yes

[zenith ore]

Oh cmon

[tall echo]

You can go straight to the fight after unlocking it for the week but that's still a burnout speedrun

[stiff beacon]

yep

[zenith ore]

Nah I'd rather go with the dumb system

[tall echo]

?

[zenith ore]

Fight him every week

[tall echo]

That's
Also not fun

[zenith ore]

Never said it was

[tall echo]

I have 8 fights purely because of farming bps followed by the insign challenge

[zenith ore]

But I don't like burnout play

[tall echo]

It'd be burnout either way for me ngl

Ok

[ocean coral]

Is there site with the storyline.

It goes kinda fast during the game.

[tall echo]

It only goes fast if you go fast

[ocean coral]

Ok

I can try to pay better attention.

[strange turtle]

The community one?

[zenith ore]

OK?

Sorry did I leave you standing

[tall echo]

Idk how else I'm supposed to respond to [[Random unfunny image #7365]]

[pale cedar]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[ocean coral]

Thank-you

That was exactly what I was looking for.

I will pay close attention to the dialogue.

[zenith ore]

Where are now in the story

[ocean coral]

in the start I wasn't even aware they were speaking in the game so missed some stuff.

I only at Vor's Prize.

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, reaction pictures should at the very least express an emotion properly

[zenith ore]

Same here, just thought it was some random space samurai metal game thingy

[tall echo]

Then you didn't miss anything important yet

[ocean coral]

Right now all I know is that I am a Tenno and the Grineer are attacking me

[tall echo]

Yep

[zenith ore]

You will know more the more you play

[tall echo]

Not much more story at the point you're at

[zenith ore]

No shi wiseass

[ocean coral]

Are there expansions for this game or is it just one game?

[tall echo]

Just one game

[fast dew]

Mm. Just one game. Don't worry though.

Its live service :)

[zenith ore]

No matter how late you are the game will always be alive

[tall echo]

It's from 2013 back when studios didn't feel the need to squeeze every bit of money out of players :)

[smoky gulch]

Until it dies and servers close off - but then you won't even know about a game

[ocean coral]

Yes, I noticed this game seems less monetized than modern games.

[smoky gulch]

Monetisation strategies can change over game's lifespan, see League of Legends over years - it's a matter of DE managing to have good moneymaking strategy that stands to test of time so far

Like how Forma timegates (and lack of being tradeable) while being vital element to gameplay leads to 3xForma fuelling DE budget very well

[tall echo]

The strategy is to not force a crapton of microtransactions for game impacting stuff
And also letting ppl trade for premium currency

[ocean coral]

Are there any updates to the game or expansions?

[zenith ore]

Now? No. But in the future, the story isn't finished yet

[tall echo]

Updates semi regularly

[ocean coral]

I just heard about the game last week.

So far it seems great.

[tall echo]

Roughly one big update per year usually in december

[zenith ore]

It will get better

[ocean coral]

Though I would like to adjust gyro aiming a bit on PS5.

Left and right aiming is a bit sluggish on gyro controller.

[tall echo]

You can in the settings

[ocean coral]

Thanks

I will tinker with it a bit over time.

And the story seems easy enough for my 4th grade reading level.

[zenith ore]

Maybe you should go to the general chat, you might see some spoils here. Even though you're not that far Into the game. And If you need help within the game just ask

[fast dew]

It'll be easy for you to understand if you don't go too fast. Take your time. Do not rush for new content.

look around for things.

You'll never know what you may learn :)

[ocean coral]

Thanbks

Is there an option to replay old missions to review the story from the beginning again?

[zenith ore]

Yes

[fast dew]

Mhm. Most missions.

Whats the furthest one you've done?

[tall echo]

He on vor's prize rn

[fast dew]

Oh barely a sneeze through

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

[ocean coral]

I am proud to say I just finished Vors prize.

[zenith ore]

Congratulations, long way ahead

[ocean coral]

Thank-you

[fast dew]

Keep your head up, its. Quite a long way to the most recent story update, but you'll learn best if you rank up every accessible open world syndicate before you start chains of harrow :)

[tall echo]

Except ostrons

[pale cedar]

This is how you recruit people to his side isn’t it?

[stiff beacon]

congrats on starting the tutorial

[strange turtle]

Just a heads up, a bunch of early game story stuff came in the form of limited time story events, so every once in a while you’ll want to check the archived stuff for those if you’re really into the story

There wasn’t too much substance so you’re not missing stuff but there’s some important stuff in there, like stuff relating to faction’s development and certain characters

[fast dew]

:)

[radiant pier]

whose side

[fast dew]

Who do you think 😭

[jolly root]

God i forgot how much i hate trying to farm relics

[fast dew]

And. If playing the game as intended gets people over to his side, then you're probably intended to view him that way

[jolly root]

Whos side cause rell im already on his side.wish we could have him as an ally to help us

[fast dew]

Albrecht 😭

[zenith ore]

Albrecht 🥀

[jolly root]

Ah

Im still on the fence with him

[fast dew]

Oh?

[jolly root]

I see why he does it its just some things seem cruel

[fast dew]

What are some of the things? Chances are there's a possible reason?

[jolly root]

Tagfer

[fast dew]

Mm. He did not intend for Minn to die.

He didn't intend for.. whatever happened to the cavia

[strange turtle]

The “Tag for disposal” thing or the “him using animals bit

Because “tag for disposal” might deadass be Tagfer reading too deep into it

[jolly root]

The using animals is horrible but entrati was an orokin so grew up with cruelty

[strange turtle]

You can go back and find the name in the Hollvania Zoo

[fast dew]

And while. I do not enjoy it, animal testing is a very important facet of science

[jolly root]

True

[fast dew]

And. I can understand the theory behind it

it mimics me
throw it dumber animals so it mimics them

[jolly root]

I guess.i dont like manipulators as well in any thing game or irl but do i agree with methods no

[fast dew]

True the manipulation part is. Bad but it is an understandable action. To keep everyone in the dark is to keep wally in the dark

When he does need something from us he is very front on lol

[jolly root]

But it was necessary i guess i dont hate him as much as i do ballas and roathe devils in the details for him read between the lines to figure out what hes trying to do

[jolly root]

Probably because he knows its hard to actually you know frighten or manipulate the drifter

[fast dew]

Which is. A very good thing

Drifter refusing to kill the nazi was. Interesting though

[jolly root]

Keep everyone in the dark to keep wally in the dark reminds me of the emperors reasoning in warhammer

[fast dew]

Tbf wally can appear as anyone, i do not blame him not telling anyone his future plans

[jolly root]

True but the thing is i felt we saw her as a victim

[jolly root]

Eh

Right

[fast dew]

True. Sometimes empathy isnt needed drifter

Sometimes a person needs to be shot

[fast dew]

Tbh chances are, Wally possessing Neci, and Albrecht's past collaboration with her is. Probably what got his ass ganked

[jolly root]

Sorry i try to make comparisons to lore i know but wally reminds me of a mixture of tzneetch and slaanesh like combine the deal part of both leaves out the rest of it though

[radiant pier]

slaanesh in what way?

[jolly root]

The temptations

I guess im not sure though

[radiant pier]

I guess Albrecht becoming interested in utilizing the void(?) but other than that, I don't really see the comparison

I feel like just tzneech is a better comparison

[jolly root]

Good point

[radiant pier]

slaanesh doesn't really dabble in science all too much, atleast not a focus anyway, you see their influence being more on the artisans, greed, excess, Albrecht's case is more just

[jolly root]

Maybe i was thinking like the holdfasts turning into void angels

Im not sure thoigh

[radiant pier]

science and understanding

someone like Nef Anyo is who I'd see be targeted by Slaanesh more than anyone tbh

[jolly root]

Ballas as well i could see.alad as well

If ballas wasnt dead

[fast dew]

Albrecht is in fact the guy who eats stale pizza and leaves crusts

[jolly root]

If nitokh comes shes not going to be fun to fight or kill or whatever we have to do

[dark compass]

A kim romanc-

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[pale cedar]

Another dead Orokin

[fast dew]

I present to you

Isleweaver

[jolly root]

🤣

[smoky gulch]

Glorious

[jolly root]

No that will make thisncommunity so.much worse.then it already.is

Like when i saw thebroathe reveal the only thing that wemt through my mind is someone is going to either try to fix him or go as unhinged as him

[pale cedar]

That’s the idea

[jolly root]

Oh gods

[pale cedar]

DE love making this community worse than it already is by releasing new features

[dark compass]

Follie is a direct example

[fast dew]

The amount of assholes who emerged to cry woke at follie was genuinely insane

[strange turtle]

It’d be like that one meme about equinox and Cold Eximus

[jolly root]

Hahaha

[strange turtle]

She has to start putting out enough positive vibes before the toxicity reaches her

[jolly root]

And then world cutting slash

[pale cedar]

Wally did domain expansion

[fast dew]

Somehow they missed Loid being. Pining champion in the previous update. And are woefully unaware of Ticker

[jolly root]

In their defense i didnt realize that till i was wathcing how she? Moved around

So valentines update for me

[dark compass]

Because a lot of the outrage is people who don't actually play the game and only come around for hate

And the argument is "why would I play this garbage"

And who do act with "well its just my opinion"

[jolly root]

And im just loving big red numbers

[dark compass]

I just wanted a new social game after getting burned out of gw2

Now I'm back to gw2

[fast dew]

Ive seen folk try to convince me ticker isn't. A trans woman

[jolly root]

And somehow accidentally outspeeding a gauss using the decrees in duiviri

I spent way to long experimenting with that crap

[fast dew]

Ahh gauss aint that fast its just the distortion that makes it feel fast

[dark compass]

Grendel ball stuck in collisions > max str Gauss

[fast dew]

A Titania with perfect sense of space while in tight corridors > Gauss

[dark compass]

That would require a titania player with awareness

[fast dew]

True

[dark compass]

She attracts her audience as intended.

Flies with a window

[jolly root]

🤣

[dark compass]

I believe in Titania players

One of them saved my life once

Titania saved me from a death by heat proc by throwing spellbind into my direction

[jolly root]

One of the guys kinda got me started is a titania main

A hole always beat me to extract

[dark compass]

My only movement tech is vial rush

[jolly root]

Lavos main?

[dark compass]

My most played frames are Garuda and Lavos and I have vial rush on both

[jolly root]

I use his prime right now

[dark compass]

Caster Lavos

Important distinction

Unlike an average Lavos player, im a much bigger poser and I don't run mecha set

[jolly root]

Mine is more whatever works but i use melee to much so im goig to get kullevro

[dark compass]

I mostly play for style...

[jolly root]

I do not use that

Ah

[dark compass]

And Lavos has it

Look at those heels

[jolly root]

Im wondering what oraxias prime will look like

[dark compass]

Hopefully red

Red is a prime color

[tall echo]

guess I'm not an average lavos player

gotta distinguish between average frame player and average meta player

[dark compass]

I do

[tall echo]

I hate the meta especially for my fav seva

[dark compass]

My words stay

[tall echo]

favagoth

[dark compass]

Meta Lavos is an evade glaive thrower

Or some shit like that

[tall echo]

I only noticed a few days ago that lavos' deluxe has skeleton-like arms but with mechanical bits instead of bone

[tall echo]

nah just uses valence formation and probably a glaive

[dark compass]

Not meta

Lavos has no consistent survivability. Evade solves it

[tall echo]

valence formation is very meta though

[jolly root]

My first prime

[dark compass]

Gas can headshot. You infuse Gas with valence and throw glaive

You get infinite evade like this

[tall echo]

mine was chroma but I'm chroma's biggest hater bc he sucks in the modern game

[dark compass]

You're just nitpicking and you're not even correct about evade not being relevant

It very much is

[tall echo]

I never said it isn't

[dark compass]

.

[jolly root]

Yeah well i was going for protea to be my second but i got lavos

[dark compass]

Evade is very much a perfect solution for him as a valence bot

[tall echo]

did I say "evade isn't meta" there?

besides lavos has his 1, that's his survivability

[dark compass]

Whatever I'd rather stub my toe than try arguing with you about anything

[dark compass]

It's not enough if you "optimize" the playstyle we're talking about. This right here just proves you don't really know what you're saying

[tall echo]

not my fault that you decided to read something I never said

[dark compass]

I rest my case

Back to lore

[radiant pier]

cuz they're all posers looking for something to whine about lmao

it's like the thing with Invincible and Tech Jacket rn

[dark compass]

Guild Wars 2 when they added a nonbinary character

When it had a scene of two female characters making out at a major story point as far as like 2013

[radiant pier]

peak

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Doom larpers when they added a strong masculine woman

[jolly root]

I would have a problem with that if the author of the comics wasnt working on the show and im happy with the changes so far

It feels wrong when a showwriter forces a charecter into a show

[dark compass]

Yeah invincible series actually did a lot of changes that are positive compared to the comic

[jolly root]

Made his ex less of a b

[radiant pier]

only downsides I can see is the Amber "plot twist"

she went from reasonable to...not reasonable, but other than that, she's great

also the animation sucks most of the time and they have like....they legit have only 4 people working on things like shading and such

[dark compass]

Don't you want your 493927th expensive movie star voice acting cameo

[radiant pier]

don't care for tech jacket changes like at all, and I doubt most people care either, I mean....his last ongoing wouldn't have been in 2015 if he was popular ☠️

[feral cape]

No you dont get it everyone actually loves tech jacket even tho the comics flopped but uhh hes a fan favorite and everyone hates this change

[dark compass]

Well what can I say other than

Congrats on her transition

[feral cape]

The only problem i have with invincible is that everyone's strength is wildly inconsistent and also tech jacket is a jobber and I don't understand how shes one of the special war threats

Bb the graysons space racer and the ragnars can all take a viltramite on there own and come out on top it took tech jacket 2 days to kill a single mark variant

[jolly root]

I agree with the consistency butnalsoo the author hates powerscalers

[dark compass]

Who doesn't

[feral cape]

That doesn't really matter crossverse powerscaling a is different thing

Consistent strength is apart of Consistent story telling

[jolly root]

No he hates all powerscaling

[radiant pier]

consistency is the issue here

[jolly root]

Yes

[feral cape]

Omniman can move a planet by himself according to kirkman and fails to lift a falling ship by himself

[radiant pier]

the giant insects lmao

[dark compass]

Mf killed a planet in a music montage

[feral cape]

Giant insect upscale ig idk

[dark compass]

... we really talk about anything here huh

[feral cape]

Its like Kirkman is writing a show where everyone is speedster so the plot needs to constantly change how fast they move

[radiant pier]

they went through this whole arc about finding weapons to use against Viltrumites, how they're all so powerful and hard to fi-INSECTS.

[feral cape]

Warframe powerscalers are idiots

With the most common take i see being warframes individually can destroy a planet

[dark compass]

You know it's like the "unexpected russian" in a videogame

[radiant pier]

can't lie tho, we love our insects here AIN'T THAT RIGHT KUROURUSHI NATION?

[dark compass]

No matter how good you think you are, no matter how confident you are in your skills

[hexed oxide]

is this a new line ?

[dark compass]

There's a random russian dude who will appear, wipe the floor with you and say a slur in broken english

And then he will disappear and you'll never see him again

[dark compass]

Nope

[dark compass]

We always blame Atlas leverian

And don't you ever drop the word "matter" around powerscalers

The truth is that the strongest character in warframe is me

I am officially recognized as the strongest

[pale cedar]

Truth is

A bullet is still a bullet

[narrow pendant]

the helminthed one

[dark compass]

"Bullet is a bullet" when I shieldgate

[narrow pendant]

a bullet is a bullet when xaku dodge chance

[dark compass]

What if xaku shieldgates too

[hexed oxide]

what's more lethal, a bullet or being ran over by a military vehicle ?

[narrow pendant]

thing is xaku can also be a health tank 😭

[dark compass]

Of course

[pale cedar]

What will you do next time Parvos pulls out a nuke?

[stiff beacon]

baruuk

[dark compass]

Vampiric grasp my beloved

[radiant pier]

I don't doubt a lot of our tenno...all of our tenno will fair VERY well against many of the WH40K universe but the problem is these powerscalers keep using the wrong feats 😭

[lean garden]

bullet is still bullet

[radiant pier]

wdym Rhino's stomp temporarily screws with time WHAT'RE U TALKIN' A BOUT

[feral cape]

Thats just basic physics tbh

[jolly root]

I feel like any chaos champion or primarch will kill us

[radiant pier]

depends, where is the bullet going

[hexed oxide]

https://tenor.com/view/tf2-heavy-meet-the-heavy-bullet-outsmart-bullet-gif-20206045

[dark compass]

If you punch something hard enough it stops time

[pale cedar]

Can I screw with time by doing a stomp?

[dark compass]

Does wasting time count

[radiant pier]

yeah if you stomp as hard as possible, time will move a bit dif for you

[feral cape]

Move fast enough and the object in motion has enough "mass" to mess with gravity which messes with time and space

[jolly root]

Karn i feel like would kill any warframeb

[radiant pier]

yeah just do it hard enough so you pass out from pain

[feral cape]

Do it faster enough and you temporarily freeze stuff

[jolly root]

Necron weapons would kill us

[narrow pendant]

powerscalers trying to explain the energy used in rhino stomp when its just void magic

[hexed oxide]

a 7.62 through kidney ?

[stiff beacon]

nah thats a fair fight

[jolly root]

Good point

[feral cape]

Warframe both lacks the cosmology and actual ability resistance to fight alot of high tier sci-fi that throws word soup at stuff

[stiff beacon]

anything of khorne relation is fair

[jolly root]

Except angron

[lean garden]

please remember a good enough sentient laser blew umbra apart

[jolly root]

Star trek

[radiant pier]

khorne when child who just CAN'T DIE HOW ARE YOU ALIVE

[lean garden]

Karn is way more than a good enough sentient laser

[feral cape]

A 2mega ton bomb took out a warframe assault squad

[lean garden]

yeesh, star trek genuinely has a crap ton of word vomit mad science.

like what do you mean I can make a micro dark matter anomaly? what do you mean i can make a plasma storm? what do you mean I can terraform a planet with a single torpedo payload?

[feral cape]

De also decided that therms was gonna be parvoses given unit of measurement

[jolly root]

Oh ill shut up now

[narrow pendant]

bomb modded with primed i hate those devils ²

[feral cape]

Secretly I think parvos was actually trying to make a large vat of tea

[jolly root]

🤣

[lean garden]

reverse your polarity

[stiff beacon]

imma be real warframes are glass canons aside from the literal immortal ones

[jolly root]

Why

[lean garden]

so you can shunt your ion stream

[radiant pier]

the Warframes we can debate over, the Tenno on the other hand? hell nah

[lean garden]

aint no warframe immortal enough

[radiant pier]

it's always a good time to humble powerscalers

especially the Warhammer ones

[narrow pendant]

the major factor is how much mods and arcanes we count as lore accurate since their survivability largely depend on those

[dark compass]

Drifter can win an online argument with a religious person

I've yet to see a primarch do that

[jolly root]

I dont powerscale i just wonder hownpowerful things are

[narrow pendant]

for the cases where frames canonically died we can just assume the orokin didnt give them the free 3 gazillion overguard build

[jolly root]

Or the emperor

[lean garden]

thats because the adeptus mechanicus dont let the primarchs near the internet

[dark compass]

What's the magos' wifi password

[pale cedar]

Powerscaling was just a dream

[dark compass]

Or do they just not remember anymore

[fast dew]

True

They'd break it

[jolly root]

Abominable intelligence

[dark compass]

Ordis is cooler than any servoskull I know

[misty helm]

Gara destroyed that thing by herself, apparently

[pale cedar]

No, the bomb did

[dark compass]

Have you SEEN what Gara can do in-game?

She just farmed glass shard dmg for like an hour

[radiant pier]

can we say ass here

[dark compass]

Yes

[radiant pier]

oh cool

[misty helm]

"Operator, quick. the Sentient will destroy the Unum!!"
"Just another splinter storm stack... 🧑‍🌾 "

[dark compass]

Ass

[narrow pendant]

ball ass

[fast dew]

Ass..

[hexed oxide]

didn't atlas destroy a moon with his rumblers and his fists ?

[fast dew]

A. Weakened asteroid or smthn

[ocean coral]

Where can I find archived stuff?

[pale cedar]

Asteroid

[strange plinth]

asteroid
and by exploiting several weakspots at once

[narrow pendant]

a meteorite and its largely due to his earthbending and figuring out a weakspot

[pale cedar]

Atlas ain’t no one punch man

[strange turtle]

I love the taste of insects

[strange turtle]

on the Archives

[misty helm]

He Muda-muda'ed the asteroid

[ocean coral]

Ok

[radiant pier]

do you think our operator can singlehandedly turn into a chaos god in like a year if they were to be dropped off into Warhammer

[stiff fable]

Nah

That requires worship, really

[dark compass]

Yeah you need a lot of emotion and worship

[radiant pier]

I'll take it as a yes

[dark compass]

Need to have a galaxy spanning cult

[radiant pier]

you really think one wouldn't just naturally form as you go about your day with the powers you've got?

[dark compass]

Nah

[pale cedar]

Time to form a cult

[jolly root]

No

[dark compass]

It took a lot for other gods to form

And I mean a lot even for a hyperbole infested setting like warhammer

[radiant pier]

we'll be fineee

[jolly root]

Slaanesh formed because of a lot of things like galaxy spanning empire

[stiff fable]

Big E needed the entirety of humanity worshipping him to reach his power level

[misty helm]

I mean, in Warhammer you have magic, so it wouldn't be that surprising, really 🤷

And in 40k you have psykers, that do stuff that is pretty similar if not a bit more powerful tha our void-shenanigans; excepting the Targon Strike, ofc

[stiff fable]

Without that level you're just a psyker

[misty helm]

Now Warframes in the WH and WH40K universe... that's another thing altogether

[radiant pier]

how am I.....doing red crits holon

[stiff fable]

Reminder that normal Grineer have armor on par with Astartes

[radiant pier]

does Caliban, Sevagoth, or Khora have an ability that gives everyone extra crit chance?

[stiff fable]

Sevagoth yes

[dark compass]

sev does

[radiant pier]

how?

[stiff fable]

His 2

Increases enemy crit vulnerability

[narrow pendant]

if you want to be super nerdy you can argue caliban with tau status increasing the chance of players applying pierce which increases crit chance on the target by up to 25%

[radiant pier]

oh awesome