lore-discussion

[pale cedar]

Imagine trying to print a Hollar on the Backrooms printer

[drowsy saddle]

We sabotage scaldra by printing höllars via the foundry

Can't by efervon if you're suffering from 50000% inflation

[pale cedar]

Break the economy

[dark compass]

You can tell the world has gone through hell if an eastern european currency in 1999 has a 1:1 conversion rate to a currency ages into the future

[drowsy saddle]

I thought höllvania was Belgium/Netherlands

Considering the cruise ship on the horizon

[celest needle]

Crash the Hollvanian economy

[pale cedar]

I remember there’s the one Kim chat where you try saying you aren’t rich

220 mil isn’t rich apparently

[drowsy saddle]

Tbf, Salad 🅱️ sold pieces of valkyr for millions of plat

[celest needle]

Wait that reminds me

Salads still alive somehow
What is he going to be good for in the upcoming story?
He's practically done his entire arc and has nothing else

[dark compass]

Base Valkyr bidding btw

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t he selling base mag?

[dark compass]

3 million plat

[drowsy saddle]

Last we knew is that he's hiding post new war

[strange plinth]

who knows !
maybe he'll do amalgams with the tau sentients

[pale cedar]

Does Alad not know you can’t sell base Warframes?

[radiant pier]

where's the best place to farm axi relics?

[drowsy saddle]

Well he's selling the base frame, he's selling bits he peeled off

[strange plinth]

i thought it was an excal with an alt helmet

[dark compass]

He survived

1. Tenno assassination
2. acolytes
3. encounter with Wolf
4. infestation
5. Tenno assassination while he's infested
6. new war

[strange plinth]

apollo, lua
or armatus, deimos, if you feel like farming dante/riven transmuters at the same time

[drowsy saddle]

Apollo, lua or Kappa Sedna

[radiant pier]

that's kappa

[dark compass]

We are not the only people with plot armor

[celest needle]

And he keeps getting lower and lower lol

[drowsy saddle]

Technically you can do the same with murmur disruption

[pale cedar]

We just don’t kill Alad in his mission lorewise and the target was his robotics

[celest needle]

But he practically has nothing now? I mean he betrayed the Corpus for the sentients right at the end of the Veko segment and also I would imagine unlike Nef who hid out in fortuna after the new war he would not have an easy time building back up his status

[dark compass]

He still gets a health bar and manages to get away

That should count for something

[drowsy saddle]

Real question is why doesn't legacyte harvest have axi relics?

[dark compass]

What if Alad V is on tau now

[drowsy saddle]

He's got personal assets, remember that he owns several gas cities on Jupiter

[pale cedar]

Then I’m taking all his money

[strange plinth]

why does half of the game's content drop meso i have so many meso relics compared to the rest

[celest needle]

I wonder what's going on with Jupiter

[drowsy saddle]

Its specifically 1999, every mission drops meso, and since people constantly do 1999 for the calender...

[dark compass]

Wait you people do the calendar?

[drowsy saddle]

By pure statistics, i have like 4 gauss sets worth of relics

[drowsy saddle]

When there's built forma and archon shards

[strange plinth]

red shards or reactor/catalyst is the only thing that'll make me do the calendar

[pale cedar]

I do calendar for potential arcanes

[celest needle]

A snake lady totally isn't trying to take over the place weekly
[also the sentients are mostly gone from the origins system]

[dark compass]

We ran out of Sentients to kill in the origin system so we're going to tau

[drowsy saddle]

They just like harassing the grineer labs in uranus

[pale cedar]

Sentients killed stat is gonna go way up

[drowsy saddle]

Sentient adversaries when

[celest needle]

-# Come on narmer do something....

[pale cedar]

Archons best I can offer

[dark compass]

I can't wait to fight nuclearBoxullyst

Adapted specifically to fight me

[celest needle]

Viral, Slash and Blast resistance 🫵

[pale cedar]

Is that not you yourself?

[strange plinth]

coalsphere,,

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-27567306

[celest needle]

use corrosive

[drowsy saddle]

Sentient adversary weapons but they are the weapon

[celest needle]

Narmer WEAPONS!!!!!

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1187307015832354860/1491597653740490803/behold-my-library-of-cat-reaction-pictures-more-in-comments-v0-qh6pfcpub84g1.gif

[dark compass]

Ballas made warframes but as soon as Narmer became a thing he didn't even bother giving anyone unique equipment

[pale cedar]

He didn’t even bother making new Warframes

[dark compass]

He probably did contribute to Caliban

But that was also ages ago

[celest needle]

I mean is it still even possible?

to make an original warframe in the current WF era?

[dark compass]

ENTRATI BUILT QORVEX IN A CAVE, WITH A BUNCH OF SCRAPS

[celest needle]

HE'S A SMART GUY

[pale cedar]

Yeah if you’re Orokin

[dark compass]

If you have the knowledge I don't see how you wouldn't be able to

[celest needle]

🤷‍♂️
Maybe he just forgor

He was using primes after all for the Archons

[pale cedar]

“No god above knowledge” is the Entrati motto

[celest needle]

so maybe they're just more powerful?

[dark compass]

Maybe he's just a fraud

[pale cedar]

He used Primes that fell during the Old War that he made

Ballas and Erra worked would’ve together on the grafting thing

Erra is pretty dumb in his own

[opaque zenith]

I'd say you'll need to replicate every single step and machinery, since all built ones are gene-locked by the orokin. Extremely hard to do from the ground up (+ infestation breakouts -tenno to "control" them), but possible? sure

[pale cedar]

As long as you have the stuff and the knowledge you can do it in theory

[dark compass]

Alad tried

[opaque zenith]

Should you risk, like, everything that could go wrong? Depends on how thicc is the "volunter" for the basis

[dark compass]

at least, he tried

but corpus ended up working on reverse engineering sentient tech instead

[pale cedar]

I just wanted a Peaceframe for Old Peace

[celest needle]

Baruuk but the whole game is captura

[brittle siren]

i kinda wish DE release all the lyrics for song sang in void tongue and in Sentient language

[dark compass]

I wish they would release Drip without lyrics

[pale cedar]

They did release the Voidtounge lyrics

[brittle siren]

where though?

[pale cedar]

Bandcamp

It’s blocked in here by the bot so I can’t link the website

[opaque zenith]

Only for whispers ost, tho

But it is something

[brittle siren]

also Ironclad, Dreadnaught still haven't have any lyric, though they just a remaster of Lullaby one, we need actual Sentient words so we can translate them

[pale cedar]

DE really like adding things then never updating them once they’re added

[brittle siren]

still sad for Lotus eater login ost

[dark compass]

I feel like it's much less of the case after Rebb took over

[brittle siren]

or they forgor

[celest needle]

cough cough Veilbreaker cough cough

[pale cedar]

Rebb basically fixed it in some areas then didn’t

[brittle siren]

I really hope Tau will have sentient text to work with

[brittle siren]

what about it

[pale cedar]

Still no updated PC lore

[brittle siren]

what do you mean "PC lore"?

[celest needle]

its
kind of
abandoned

[dark compass]

kahl will join us on tau

[celest needle]

[dark compass]

Trust

[brittle siren]

is it? the whole Narmer is on stagger due to us keep hunting their archon down

[pale cedar]

They haven’t added anything past what it started with

[dark compass]

In fact they REMOVED the archon shards you get from it after adding them to Bird 3

[celest needle]

Bird 3 robbed Chipper lol

[brittle siren]

on side note (sorry my mind kinda swing around a lot), how would you think DE make Temple Prime make sense? Via Helminth? Albrecht? Or Lavos?

[dark compass]

Why can't Lizzie just eat something primed and absorb it

It's night of naga drums

She ends up with plenty of food

[humble sierra]

Tbf it's a recap of previous events for the sake of starting the Kalymos sequence

[pale cedar]

Temple does a good job
Prime is made

[brittle siren]

true, but I mean infested must have eat 1 or 2 prime already but we saw nothing "prime" about them at the current time

[dark compass]

Well it's Lizzie

[brittle siren]

Ballas has never made a single Temple

[humble sierra]

Prime stuff in meteor

[dark compass]

She's cooler, she's not an average infested

She's Helminth

[brittle siren]

he did made a bp, but not the frame

[pale cedar]

We don’t know that

[brittle siren]

Flare literally confirmed it lmao

[pale cedar]

Flare never said
Ballas won’t make the Prime

[celest needle]

Yeah but as a gamemode its practically do it for a week or two then never again cause you have nothing else for it

Mission variety is small and repetative
Chippers shop ain't very good outside of Archon mods and styanax weapons
And Narmer itself isn't used for very much outside of bounties and archon hunts

Unlike angels of Zariman with incarnons and void cascade that means you WILL go back to it even after finishing it to get your hand on incarnons or run void cascade for arcanes, Kahl doesn't really have any of that

[opaque zenith]

Same as the normal one, there's a blueprint somewhere, we just need to steal it and put in our "non-human-sample-needed" forge

[brittle siren]

the thing is, none of prime is made by our foundry

normal one are already existing prime

[pale cedar]

Making a Prime is actually really easy

Once a base exists a Prime can be made

Hell Ballas was the one who first had the plans

[brittle siren]

yet only 2-3 ppl can Prime a frame

Ballas, Albrecht (maybe?) and Lavos

(the void did primed Rev via Unum but that does not count I think)

if it was so easy to do, then do it on excal then

oh wait you can't, the bp for excal prime is LOST

[pale cedar]

And guess what

Ballas created the plans

[brittle siren]

and again, only THREE PPL has did it

[pale cedar]

And Ballas is one of them

[brittle siren]

just because you have a method does not means EVERYONE can cook

[opaque zenith]

Not talking about making one, but getting the blueprint for a Temple Prime and building it, Ballas didn't built one, but doesn't mean there isn't an "instruction manual in how to"

[brittle siren]

mind you this Lizzie share the knowledge to Flare

[brittle siren]

He did not even want to make the base (after craft the bp), why would he bother made a bp for a Prime if it will do the same thing?

[pale cedar]

Sees Temple in action
Builds Temple Prime

[brittle siren]

he did not see it, and even if he did, he still not gonna build one, READ

Temple was fated to REBEL

no matter how hard you change it, Temple is going to act like Flare and Lizzie

[opaque zenith]

I admit that idk a plausible reason, so I"ll say because orokin need their puppets to be golden

[brittle siren]

and Mirage is also another example

[pale cedar]

Ballas caused Naga Drums anyway

So at the time he could’ve seen it as a good thing

[brittle siren]

The thing is, Flare is the only frame seem like uncontrollable due to Lizze being transcended through time, so if he made one, he have to run for it before Flare and Lizzie awake

[pale cedar]

He planned the Naga Drums already to prevent himself dying at the event

[opaque zenith]

Like thinking of having a (golden) lego set, but sticking to 3D blenders of the build (I'll try to think of a better comparison later)

[brittle siren]

or he just already fled and go into hiding before the Naga even happen

[pale cedar]

That’s still him planning his survival

[brittle siren]

the reason why I think Ballas does not make Flare prime because Lavos Prime lore

[crimson abyss]

ball ass hiding in an underground complex for hundreds of years

[opaque zenith]

I though of another example, it's worse though

[brittle siren]

Lavos Prime imply that Ballas does not made Lavos into Prime, ever, due to how Lavos also a dangerous frame (and due to he already a different being from the og Warden Lavos)

[pale cedar]

He legit just hid on the Moon then got trapped there

We let Ballas and Umbra be free

[crimson abyss]

Biggest mistake

[brittle siren]

Isn't when Ballas said "Lua make you strong" imply that Umbra sleeping elsewhere though, no?

[pale cedar]

Umbra was in a cage

On the moon

[brittle siren]

where this was mentioned?

[pale cedar]

You see the damaged cage in the quest

[brittle siren]

in Lua scene when we about in the final fight?

[pale cedar]

No

When we are on the moon

There’s a cage

[brittle siren]

this?

[ocean geyser]

Not a literal cage
It’s a room with an operating table type thing

[ocean geyser]

That

[brittle siren]

how do you assume that was his cage btw, just want to know

[pale cedar]

If you wanna be technical
The whole moon was a cage

The Void was keeping him Prisoner

We let them both out

But the operating table is where he kept him before turning him into a frame

Or well before he became a full frame

[brittle siren]

I see

[radiant pier]

do gyre or sevagoth give crit buffs?

[somber beacon]

Wrong channel? 😅

[radiant pier]

WOOPS

[fast dew]

Lmao

Dw worse have been discussed here

[pale cedar]

Why does it seem like I am the only person who never sends a message in the wrong channel?

[radiant pier]

because you are a territorial being

[pale cedar]

I do live in here and #spoiler-chat

Though occasionally lore shows up in other channels

[radiant pier]

"me hiding my ding-a-ling as a Warframe"

I remember this conversation

because it was mostly me.

[fast dew]

The bear conversation

[radiant pier]

PISS OFF

[fast dew]

:33c

Anyways im gonna go rage at. Clip studio being stupid

[smoky gulch]

Bear conversation? Sounds unbearable

[fast dew]

It is for him

[pale cedar]

Is it as bad as Eternalism conversations?

[smoky gulch]

Do Murex have sense of touch?

Can we give them backrubs with archgun weaponry? (it's so small caliber for Murex it shouldn't feel like pain)

[fast dew]

I imagine that they can

Mm, there was one that got blown up by vome and fass

[dark compass]

They're really big though

I wonder how it works with their senses

[smoky gulch]

We just need Drifter to transference into one, then they will talk all about it on KIM

[pale cedar]

Railjack become Murex arc

[dark compass]

Cy needs space though

I won't be leaving without him

Maybe he will have a happy life in a relationship with a murex

[smoky gulch]

Cy would probably enjoy talking with murex, war veteran to another

Nobody else can understand them as well

[mossy knot]

I'm doing the revenant quest, why does the kid that sells masks know about his story and can somehow see what happend to him?

I know that Revenant was a normal frame that was grabed by the sentient Gara killed and fused with it by force

[opaque zenith]

With all due respect, it's said at the start of the quest, they're visions that the kid receive each time you touch the ghost pool

[strange turtle]

It’s explained in the quest

(upon touching the patch of light) Nakak: "Why do I remember this? The land here, killing hot, full of strangeness. This is where Gara vanquished the Sentient! Where its essence fell into the ground, trapped in some unworldly between. It wanted out. At moonrise its ghostly tendrils would emerge, seeking form, seeking… return. And this… this was the warden… a warframe. I can see it, like a dream repeating…. The tendril emerging, night after night, and the warden, night after night, cutting it down… until the warden himself was lost. How?"

(If the Tenno does not have a Revenant part) Nakak: "Khanung. The Unum is in my head …. She commands you to seek the pieces of the lost one… and rebuild it. What? Like I have time for this… I've got a business to run! Ai yo…. Onkko said Grineer Command was excited about some relics they'd dug up. Maybe you should talk to Konzu?"

There’s also

The Unum chooses Nakak to receive a strange mask. A mask that leads to even stranger visions. What lost story does the Unum want to tell?

And

Onkko made this mask, and it's a bit of a creep-piece. He set some weird eyes in it, said: "The Unum chooses!" Ai yo. 'Unum chooses' is short for nightmares and a wild Vobi hunt. Funny, right? Tower spirit choosing me… and I can't stand heights!

[mossy knot]

Ah yeah

Ngl, I was sleepy when I started the quest so I didn't give it much thought

Thanks mate

[pale cedar]

Sleep first
Quest after

Easy mode

[mossy knot]

Fair enough

[sweet wadi]

I feel bad for that guy who proposed to Norra.

Imagine not only getting shot down, but then she laughs about it on her radio broadcast to the entire Sol system. Feels bad, man.

[mossy knot]

Lmao

[somber beacon]

To be fair, not sure what other dating options exist in the Origin System?
Corups? Ostron?

[sweet wadi]

Solaris if you can get past the weird heads I guess.

[somber beacon]

I mean, they are part of Corpus next to Sisters and other Crewpeople.

[sweet wadi]

True

[somber beacon]

Drifter was smart... time travel to date...

https://tenor.com/view/think-about-it-reece-simpson-kayode-ewumi-roll-safe-meme-gif-17305682

[fast dew]

I wouldn't call them. Apart of the corpus

Like. Kinda but. They are just debt slaves to them

[drifting lintel]

Where does kuva come from again? It's not connected to the void as far as I can tell.

[sweet wadi]

It is

[radiant pier]

yeah calling em part of the corpus is weird ngl

[somber beacon]

Orokin origin

[fast dew]

Its very connected to the void, but we do not know where it comes from

[drifting lintel]

It predates the discovery of the void

[sweet wadi]

Orokin Juice

[pale cedar]

3. What is 'kuva'?

A. Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness (correct)

B. The liquid remnants of departed Orokin saints

[fast dew]

There is maybe a refinement process related to the fingers but its not from them

[fast dew]

Void was known, just not to the application Albrecht wanted it to be

[drifting lintel]

It predates the wall of loke

[fast dew]

Lohk, and the wall of lohk isnt a. "Discovery" in the way you'd think it is. The wall of Lohk doesn't have anything to do with the void outside it being the membrane between the two

Albrecht's book [perhaps a autobiography] is called "Beyond the wall of Lohk", implying the void is beyond, not the wall of lohk itself

[drifting lintel]

What I mean is that kuva was being used well before Albrecht first accessed the void.

Up until then he thought it was literally an empty void with nothing in it.

[pale cedar]

Wall of Lohk is just somebody giving it a name rather than a discovery

[somber beacon]

Fair, Albrecht no longer used Kuva AFTER he fell into the void.

[fast dew]

Yes. The application he wanted from it wasn't possible.

[somber beacon]

But he is implied to have used it before.

[fast dew]

So. He threw himself into the void!

He knew of the void.

[pale cedar]

That’s a half truth

[radiant pier]

as you do

[fast dew]

No it aint nemesis you know that

He's always struggled with continuity after the void incident

[drifting lintel]

When I said wall of lohk I was specifically meaning the wall that he used to access the void. As that's the first time it was ever accessed

[pale cedar]

It’s half true in the fact he didn’t give up it straight away he said that himself

[fast dew]

One of his first thoughts exiting the membrane™ was that he was unsure he was wally.

[pale cedar]

It was minute in the early days and it swelled larger in the latter days

[ocean geyser]

They sent drones through it beforehand

[fast dew]

Ohh dont make me do this nemesis

[ocean geyser]

They were trying to figure out the Void for quite a while

[drifting lintel]

And those drones found literally nothing. Kuva can't come from nothing.

[pale cedar]

I’m not saying he used it
I’m saying he didn’t just give up on it as a concept straight away

[somber beacon]

"Netra. (Decay). Time, to us, is all but conquered. Our sacred Kuva moves us on to new skin. We numb to our daily, yearly, trifles... and remedy those memories that bring lasting misery. With all our misdeeds, our excess, our indignity... we are haunted by nothing. But not for me. For with each passing day, there grew within a tumorous idea. It was minute in those early days: The pale reaching digits severed on the floor... studied with reverence, with greed. And it swelled larger in the latter days: the regal domes, the Rail dedications, the unholy Zariman parade. I had put the stars within reach, but at what cost? I never spoke of him, that man, trapped in the wall. And while there have been countless souls who have followed me through, with their light-skippers, and field-wave skins and vari-eyed instruments... not a single one ever saw him. Me. And so it is that I will not take the Kuva now. Or ever again. This is the last skin I'm in. Because of this idea: That I cannot be sure. That in all that smoked commotion, in all that panic and fear, in that bending light and blinding dark... was it I who escaped? Or the other?"

[fast dew]

"I felt no certainty as I donned clothes rough and strange to the touch of newgrown skin. I had none of the selfless zeal of the soldier.
The same cursed question still pursued me as it had before, 'Was I, even now, trapped in the rictus of the Wall?"

[pale cedar]

Read the full wording of it nearer to the top

[fast dew]

He's always felt like that, ergo him giving continuity up.

[drifting lintel]

So yeah, kuva predates wally.

So it's probably not connected to the void, so what the hell is it?

[ocean geyser]

I mean the game itself points out its connected to the Void

[fast dew]

Its. Connected to the void.

[somber beacon]

Eternalism Juice.

[pale cedar]

It uses the Void

[ocean geyser]

Yeah yall spent too much time arguing about Albrecht using Kuva

[drifting lintel]

The void had nothing in it before wally. How can it be connected?

[fast dew]

Its connected to the void just not in the same way as what void tech does

[pale cedar]

It isn’t nothing and never was just nothing otherwise Wally wouldn’t have been created

[somber beacon]

In eternalism there is no before or after, just the now. As the void is filled it always had been, I think.

[drifting lintel]

They literally tell us that before Albrecht walked in it was a black void. With literally nothing.

It wasn't until thought entered the void that it started getting filled.

[pale cedar]

If the Void was just nothing there wouldn’t have been CE

[somber beacon]

But doesn't the whole Paradox the story hinges on Eternalism?

[fast dew]

We do not actually know that

[drifting lintel]

CE?

[fast dew]

Short hand for conceptual embodiment

[normal mountain]

Nothing they could measure
Does not mean there was truly nothing there

[drifting lintel]

Conceptual embodiment is a property of the void

[fast dew]

Yeah so how do you think conceptual embodiment happened if the void was nothing before Albrecht conceptually embodied it

How would it be triggered if it didn't have the shit that could cause it

Therefore the void wasn't a nothing and still had some property outside what Albrecht did to it once he entered

[drifting lintel]

The void has different laws of physics than the normal world.

There was literally no matter, but the property of conceptual embodiment was true.

As soon as a mind that could form concepts was added (Albrecht) those concepts started being embodied.

It created his twin, a twisted reflection of him, that twisted reflection was now it's own mind, and could form concepts, that the void then embodied.

[fast dew]

Yes. But that still implies that there was something before Albrecht went in

[pale cedar]

Void is basically
Visually nothing but in Reality it’s something

[fast dew]

Meaning. Kuva could've been one of those things.

Kuva isn't particularly related to what Wally's fingers do

[drifting lintel]

No it doesn't.

It's like saying gravity is a universal law in our universe.

You don't need matter for it to still be true

[fast dew]

But you need the matter for it. To be physically recorded and effecting things.

You need something for it to have an effect on another thing

[drifting lintel]

Yes but the physical law is still there.

The void doesn't require matter in order to embody. It creates matter when there is something that is thinking of said matter.

[fast dew]

Despite everything the void does still function logically.

Also. The game directly says kuva is. Void related

[drifting lintel]

And that's what I'm asking about!

[fast dew]

We see it going through some form of. Process through the finger

We know that kuva existed pre-void incident

[drifting lintel]

But it has to predate the fingers because the orokin were using it before wally existed

[fast dew]

So. That means the void was something before Albrecht did anything to it.

[drifting lintel]

But that still doesn't make sense because the f-ing tell us that it was completely empty before Albrecht walks in

[zenith ore]

Are you suggesting that the void had a form before it became the now void?

[fast dew]

The void sometimes doesnt make sense!

It does and it doesn't make sense.

[zenith ore]

Naturally, it's the void

[fast dew]

Our knowledge on the void is incredibly limited. Even mother expresses disbelief at its behaviour

[normal mountain]

Exactly!
It's a paradox!
It's nothing, and yet something!

For crying out loud, it's that simple!

[fast dew]

It naturally does not make sense, but does at the same time.

And. That idea. Doesn't make sense!

[pale cedar]

If I had a nickel for every time the Void did something that doesn’t make sense I’d be rich

[fast dew]

But its the basis of quantum mechanics, which is what the void in warframe is. Seemingly based upon

[drifting lintel]

My best guess for where the hell it's coming from is the void fissures. That before Albrecht sometimes the void would just open up into the normal world and spill out some CEed stuff.

[zenith ore]

Anyone wanna explain umbra's lore from the very start

[fast dew]

Pretty much. The void being unstable isnt a new thing

[pale cedar]

Have you done his quest for a start?

[normal mountain]

You want the long version, or the short version?

[zenith ore]

Yes

[zenith ore]

Long ofc

[normal mountain]

Oh, yeah, quest is important

[drifting lintel]

• a dax spied on ballas
• ballas turned him into a Warframe
• ballas modified the bolt so it replayed the memory of the dax killing his son.

[fast dew]

Tldr dax found out about the plans for the night of the naga drums, gets tortured by ballas and made to kill his son while going through warframeification and then was shoved inside lua for a thousand years.

He also has the weird trait of full control over the body, being mostly free of infestation madness

[zenith ore]

Damn

[pale cedar]

The long version is just playing the quest

[zenith ore]

Yeah ik just figured it out not too long ago

[normal mountain]

he just... suffers from a different kind of madness

[pale cedar]

I dunno, he seems pretty mad

[zenith ore]

I alr know the lore and whatnot just wanted to make sure I'm not missing any details

[pale cedar]

Should see Umbras therapy bill

[fast dew]

We are. Not fully sure on what triggers that control, but a prominent theory is that. Strong emotions and memories keep the madness away

[pale cedar]

Id say the Infested immune child keeps the madness way

[drifting lintel]

I'm pretty sure he's deep in the infested madness, he just has the umbra bolt constantly replaying who he is and what happened to him.

[pale cedar]

Considering he killed his son I’d say the madness is still there

[mossy knot]

Doesn't he have the memory of killing his son on a loop? Like, that memory is on repeat 24/7 on his head?

[fast dew]

Different type of. Madness

[drifting lintel]

I think he has both kinds

[fast dew]

He is. In control of his body

Not the infestation

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/this-is-exactly-what-i-said-marques-brownlee-this-is-precisely-what-i-mentioned-its-the-same-as-what-i-just-said-its-totally-like-what-i-just-said-gif-26900170

[mossy knot]

How true is that meme of cheems limbo saying "I miscalculated"?

[fast dew]

Very true

[pale cedar]

Multiple Warframes have control of their body and yet still have to deal with Infested Madness

[drifting lintel]

... And?

Only two Warframes actually felt the call of the infestation. One was a mind reader who was surrounded by infestation, and the other had an infested guitar.

[normal mountain]

Hilariously accurate

[mossy knot]

Even nidus?

[pale cedar]

Especially Nidus

[fast dew]

Thats. Your example being Eleanor. Who. Got controlled by the infestation.. because. Infestation madness.

[pale cedar]

We’re there to help them deal with the madness

[mossy knot]

I thought nidus was in control of that

[fast dew]

All the protos experience it

There's. A drifter chat about this

[drifting lintel]

... Because of the mind reading. Not because of the Warframe.

[fast dew]

No.

[mossy knot]

Damn, he has some good drip tho

And his slide is really clean

[pale cedar]

If he was in control of that
You wouldn’t be his therapist

[normal mountain]

Sort of
though iirc, Drifter said he wasn't neutered the same way as other warframes

[mossy knot]

Ah I see

[drifting lintel]

Most Warframe are cut off from the wider infested hive mind, only connected to the much smaller helminth hive.

[fast dew]

Everyone who's been injected with helminth will experience infestation madness. Ballas explains this in. I wanna say the 1st or 3rd vitruvian, that their weakness was that they'd go mad

[drifting lintel]

I would go crazy too if I was forcefully changed into a weapon

Cyberpunk calls it cyberpsychosis

[fast dew]

The. Hive mind hasn't been proved to split

[mossy knot]

Just asking, quorvex has some lore or he's just a nuclear plant with legs?

[fast dew]

The only example of this being. Maybe vome and fass

[normal mountain]

Let's be fair though
The Orokin's version of "going mad" was basically "not doing whatever I want the second I want it"

[drifting lintel]

Quorvex is one of the only Warframes that might not have originally been a person.

And that's a big might

[mossy knot]

Cool

Caliban wasn't a sentient first?

[fast dew]

Where does that come from lmao

Why do you think qorvex wasn't a person first?

[mossy knot]

Or he's just a mix kinda like revenant?

[pale cedar]

Orokin can make a frame look however they want

[fast dew]

Albrecht designed Qorvex, yes. So did Parvos with Protea.

[normal mountain]

Caliban is a hybrid

[drifting lintel]

Because Albrecht had the plans tucked away but never actually made the original quorvex.

[fast dew]

Where do you think he never made him?

[normal mountain]

Revenant just took a bath in Eidolon Water for several hundred years
He wasn't designed like that

[drifting lintel]

Because we would definitely know if there was an original quorvex running around in the labs

[fast dew]

The idle animation of Qorvex, while animalistic, indicates there was a mind behind it.

[mossy knot]

Revenant took a nap in some dirty water and wake up like that

[drifting lintel]

The idle animations don't really mean that much ... It's just how the operator/Drifter thinks they would naturally move. It kinda just comes to them.

[fast dew]

And if we were to go that route, gardura would also not have a person made. No known lore =/= doesn't exist.

[fast dew]

No, its remnants of their personality.

Drifter has a kim for this somewhere, i am. Searching

[normal mountain]

Garuda
that misspelling is killing me

[fast dew]

SORRY ITS AN ANNOYING NAME 😭

[drifting lintel]

It's assumed that a warframe has an original, I don't think quorvex has an original because of the information we're told. Specifically that it was never finished.

[mossy knot]

I thought the idle and animations in general where muscle memory of the frames, like their gestures and how they stand

[fast dew]

I struggle with mother's chosen name as well

[normal mountain]

I'll admit, Gardura sounds cool tho

[fast dew]

Where did you get he wasn't finished?? Those were the vessels, not Qorvex

[normal mountain]

It's just
Not correct for the Queen of Gore

[fast dew]

I used to use her original name but she doesn't like that name

It would be. Incredibly hypocritical of me to do that

[mossy knot]

Yeah, Garuda is a cool name

[fast dew]

Reminds me of. A shark..?

[mossy knot]

Nokko and Yareli are friends in the lore?

[fast dew]

Mm. Unknown

From a design perspective, yes, they're designed to be "related" regarding to their vibes

[mossy knot]

I'm asking just because a friend showed me his Nokko and the emote where he dances with Yareli

[fast dew]

But in lore thats not true

[drifting lintel]

I could've sworn the message with the blueprint said it was unfinished.

[fast dew]

Nokko is. Supposed to be a child. A little kid. Yareli, one form or another, is a teenager too

So next time you see someone being weird about them, point that out

[mossy knot]

Duly noted

[fast dew]

I can understand that. I think Loid might mention something being incomplete in his email with Qorvex's BP

The. Incomplete thing being the vessels

Repair, rebuild. Protect the vessels, as goes the Kalymos sequence or whatever Loid says

God the end of whispers hurts me

[normal mountain]

like that's gonna stop the true weirdos
But you should be able to use that to tell the difference between them and a simple misunderstanding

If it turns out to be the former, I recommend walking away quickly

[fast dew]

True, but at least it can help folk realise so they can correct their behaviour

[fast dew]

Yeah or im gonna... do very unkind things. Good to walk away

[narrow pendant]

id also act like nokko if i was on those shrooms

[fast dew]

True

Shrooms...

[drifting lintel]

That did not stop people with nezha

He's never explicitly said to be a kid in the game but the god he's based on is a kid

[fast dew]

True but people have some layer of plausible deniablity with him, afaik the original mythos of him did feature some adult form...? Idk my memory is pretty bad rn

[drifting lintel]

No the oldest he gets is maybe 10.

[fast dew]

Oh shit

Gross.

[drifting lintel]

Unless his second body was made into an adult form.

[normal mountain]

"Plausible deniability"
Yeah, sure

[pale cedar]

Can I get a plausible tactical nuke to kill a few loretubers with?

[fast dew]

Yeah

Ill call Albrecht up rq

[normal mountain]

did not mean to react that, but I ain't changing it now lol

[fast dew]

Screw it

[pale cedar]

Keep it

[fast dew]

Its fun

[normal mountain]

That's what I said I'm doing!

[pale cedar]

It’s a celebratory cause

[drifting lintel]

He gestated for 3 years, came out able to fight so maybe a bit older, and only lived 7 years before he killed someone he wasn't supposed to and committed suicide.

Then his teacher used lotus roots to make him a new body. So that body could technically be any age.

But he's always depicted with kid features like the hair buns with the ribbons.

[fast dew]

Nodding nodding

[pale cedar]

Who should I go after first Seige, Socra or Stallord?

[fast dew]

So there is some layer but. Its always a red flag to see anyone using it

[normal mountain]

All of them
simultaneously

[fast dew]

And. One i personally find gross whenever someone uses it

[pale cedar]

Good idea

[drifting lintel]

Yeah.

And the Warframe does look more to me like a stereotypical Twink

[normal mountain]

And Nokko doesn't?

[fast dew]

For me, maybe cus im friends with gymnasts. He looks like a child gymnast

[drifting lintel]

I didn't say anything about nokko

[normal mountain]

They're both child-esk frames

[fast dew]

-# it was mandatory in primary.

-# I hated it.

[drifting lintel]

He also looks like an adult gymnast lol

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[pale cedar]

I wonder if schools even exist in Warframe anymore

[drifting lintel]

They look the same because being thin and small is kinda important

[sweet wadi]

The only thing more flexible than nezha are the excuses a certain subgroup of people use to justify objectifying him.

[fast dew]

The feminine nature of him implies. Youth. Cause. Boys are usually "girly" before testosterone hits

[pale cedar]

Nezah isn’t even a child in the game

[drifting lintel]

I've seen men in their 20s who look like that.

[fast dew]

This. Isnt unknown, see the term castrato

[sweet wadi]

Nokko is explicitly called a ‘kid’

[drifting lintel]

By a corpus scientist who has no idea what he's looking at.

[fast dew]

By our eyes and the design behind it?

You. Understand Yareli is directly based on a teenager right

From a design perspective

[drifting lintel]

Yes I know, and I find it weird when people use her for that.

Nokko is also a bit weird. I'm just pointing out that nokko being called a kid doesn't actually hold much weight
It's other things like design and the sibling connection that make it weird.

[fast dew]

She's. Based on a magical girl, which most known magical girls are. Teenagers. Kids. Ergo nokko being her little brother design wise implies that. He is younger

[pale cedar]

Wally is a magical man child

[fast dew]

Except. It very much does

In fact, Yareli has LESS evidence indicating she's a child

[normal mountain]

Imma start calling Nezha a kid

[fast dew]

She has being called a yuvan, but. Considering they've introduced that yuvans did start as adults, there is a chance she is one

[normal mountain]

See how many ravenous f*mboy maniacs get upset lol

[sweet wadi]

Yareli prime was a kid from the Yuvan theater, correct?

[fast dew]

She has only been called a yuvan. There is a very small and slight chance she wasn't a kid. I do not believe in that chance.

[barren ember]

I imagine a lot of schools would be like life skills schooling like the oneroom school house days

[pale cedar]

Yareli wasn’t even called a child just youthful which can be any age range

[fast dew]

Nokko being looked at by a character in the game and being called a kid, is more evidence than yareli

Sometimes things do not have a second meaning

[drifting lintel]

-# To be honest I am a femboy myself and play nezha because he's also a femboy.

[sweet wadi]

The problem with this entire conversation is that the more people argue it, the weirder their insistence gets.

[fast dew]

I generally hold myself away from it. I have... opinions on certain aspects of femboy culture.

[drifting lintel]

Yeah it is weird. I'm not defending the people who objectify nokko or yareli. Those designs are obviously teens.

[radiant pier]

cough weird and obsessive with certain traits

[drifting lintel]

It's literally the toxic beauty standards on women's social media, but for guys

[fast dew]

Oh so we agree, thank god

Being a dude and being effeminate isnt bad

[drifting lintel]

Yeah I'm a femboy, not an idiot.

I don't listen to the toxic shit.

[fast dew]

<- i wanna be a big hairy dude in a very pretty dress

[drifting lintel]

I would like to be thin and hairless but that's just because it makes... certain things easier

[fast dew]

I am. Afraid to ask

[drifting lintel]

And even if you did I would not answer

[radiant pier]

WHERE IS MY ARGON

[drifting lintel]

Agron is in the void

[fast dew]

Go do void missions

A good limbo build can help

[dark compass]

Or Xaku

Or Equinox, or Garuda

[fast dew]

-# let me push my limbo agenda.

[dark compass]

But Xaku is best

[drifting lintel]

Limbo working with any farming frame is actually the most efficient way to farm

[dark compass]

I dunno

[fast dew]

Synergies!!

[dark compass]

Him rifting enemies does make extra spawns, but it also takes time

[drifting lintel]

You get double density

[dark compass]

Yeah for double the kill time

[fast dew]

Mm doesn't one of his. Augments help or

[dark compass]

Due to the rift having to go through

Instead of a single tap

[drifting lintel]

No not really.
Keep the bubble at max range and just farm in one room

[dark compass]

Oh right

[radiant pier]

I did 4 in a row without getting any despite nuking the map

[fast dew]

I mean, his 4 drags folk into the rift, which can help

[radiant pier]

but now I got 3 so I'm good

Voruna hooray

[fast dew]

Prime or base?

[hollow ridge]

What’s the blue rectangle in plat?

[lean garden]

unknown

[dark compass]

Jelly

[lean garden]

blueberry jam

[fast dew]

Yk the bitter stuff they put on. Switch games? I like to image its that

To stop animals from eating it

-# and kids

[pale cedar]

I like the theory from earlier that it protects it from forgery

[hollow ridge]

But what is it exactly

[pale cedar]

We aren’t told

[hollow ridge]

What do you think it is?

[lean garden]

cant be all that important

blue paint

[dark compass]

Forgery protecting blueberry jam

[hollow ridge]

But it glows, so probably not paint

[lean garden]

paint can glow

just need the right paint

[pale cedar]

Yeah, I agree with forgery protection

[hollow ridge]

True

[fast dew]

Barcode perhaps

Or. Similar

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[hollow ridge]

So forgery protection, barcode, maybe resin or something?

[pale cedar]

I bet Credits and Hollars also have forgery protection

[radiant pier]

prime

most from random squads

would you believe me if I said the chassis was the hardest part to get

I had to trade for it and even then, 8 PEOPLE BEFORE I FOUND SOMEONE THAT ACTUALLY REPLIED

[fast dew]

Serial number made to protect against forgery by asssigning every legitimate bit of plat with a unique number..? Hard to make a number that wasnt already done

[hollow ridge]

I think it’s probably a data chip?

To keep track of if it’s legit?

[pale cedar]

Time to hack corpus records so I can steal all the plat

[fast dew]

Thats my personal idea

[radiant pier]

haven't seen any vorunas

[pale cedar]

DE still hasn’t given me the Old Peace SP trophy
I feel robbed

[radiant pier]

how do you actually get her anyway?

and why's the freaky worm obsessed with her

[pale cedar]

Regular you get on Lua circulus thing

[radiant pier]

circulus?

also what's the giant music stuff on lua

Thomas are you trying to get voruna prime

[dark compass]

It's so sad, people finally noticed Voruna thanks to her Prime and as usual make me realize that nobody actually reads the abilities

Calling her 4 unusable

[fast dew]

Yeah im gonna grind with my alloidlings

[radiant pier]

my buddy was a voruna main before switching over to Gauss

[pale cedar]

I want to get her but I ain’t got the relics

[dark compass]

Even though

It makes her such a strong caster she can take level cap with just her abilites

[fast dew]

People are just playing her wrong

[dark compass]

There's many ways to play Voruna

Wouldn't call it wrong, I'd just call it extremely misinformed

And misguided

Because apparently 12mil damage in a 25m radius that also spreads a ton of random status effects to everyone in an even bigger radius, while maintaining full status immunity and invisibility is not enough...

[pale cedar]

Isn’t misinformed and misguided synonymous with wrong?

[dark compass]

Not really

[radiant pier]

misinformed could mean they were given the wrong information

[dark compass]

Misinformed is operating with wrong information

[radiant pier]

this is just plain being kinda dum and not re-checking

[dark compass]

Misguided means they may have the right direction, but a completely wrong way to approach it

I should've said "misguided or misinformed"

One half subsumes over 4, another asks if 4 works with nourish or wrathful advance

anyways

https://tenor.com/view/pass-the-lore-lore-nav-xo-taytay-gif-25554546

[radiant pier]

I parry it

[pale cedar]

What do you parry it with
Misinformation?

[radiant pier]

willful ignorance

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-ultra-kill-parry-ultrakill-parry-punch-gif-6148676138619206464

[pale cedar]

Thomas
Wanna tag team some wilful ignorance?

For parrying lore

[fast dew]

Yeah bro, always

I can harness my British lineage and stab someone

[pale cedar]

Join us
Embrace us

Not like you can erase us

[fast dew]

No, thats the british's job to erase others!

Anyways, we can go stab stuff

[pale cedar]

Exactly

[mossy knot]

And to steal their stuff to showcase it in a museum

[pale cedar]

Yeah

British Museum
It’s 90% stolen stuff

Don’t see them asking for it back

Maybe they’re afraid we might colonise their country and keep it

[mossy knot]

The chileans did ask for their moai back

[smoky gulch]

What did the british send in response? "🗿"?

[mossy knot]

A famous chilean content creator and model started it by saying in his videos "devuelvan el moai" wich is "give us back the moai" in spanish and then the chileans followed by asking it to get it back

Nah, they said that they won't give it back and then the chileans flooded the comments of the brittish museum's instagram account with chilean food recipes, it got to a point that it had to closed the comments and I believe they also did the same for the twitter account

[pale cedar]

A counter offer of a loan

Legally due to a law from a while ago anything in the collection can’t be removed from it

Brits truly planned ahead

Oh and the backlash lead to the Brits disabling comments on instagram

[woven coyote]

There were moai in chile?

Only knew of the polynesian ones

[sweet wadi]

Chile has a large population of Rapa Nui, the original natives of the island.

The island itself is under the jurisdiction of the Chilean government, but that’s not something they’re all happy with.

[peak elm]

The more I think about it, the more I think it's understated how scary nidus us

[pale cedar]

Because he’s probably not as scary as you think

[tall echo]

He isn't

[drifting lintel]

how long has it been since the awakening quest canonically?

[woven coyote]

No info

1999 was literally the first time we had any notation regarding date

[tall echo]

At least 4

[loud oriole]

-# could be days, weeks, years, decades, centuries, or millennia, who knows

[drifting lintel]

iirc for most of the major events they correspond to irl time (like the time we tried to kill hek)

but we also have to toss in a year or two for the time skip during the new war

so like 15 years?

[tall echo]

There's no stated time for anything

[drifting lintel]

it was stated somewere that vay hek was hunted for the same amount of time his trial mission was avilable

after the fomorians

so we know the warframes were active for 3 years and trying to kill vay hek

[tall echo]

was it?

[drifting lintel]

Yeah

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[drifting lintel]

I'm looking for a source but I see it mentioned a lot when talking about vay hek so pretty sure

The wiki even mentions it but also doesn't give a source
"After a significantly long period of continuous assault in an attempt to bring Vay Hek to justice (spanning almost three real years of the game's lifetime), a moratorium was finally placed on the operation. The motives behind the moratorium remains unclear, but it was presumed that the Grineer councilor survived the Tenno onslaught."

[barren ember]

Real time works for some things but not others, because we literally go through a year a week in 1999

[tall echo]

"three real years of the game's lifetime" just means that it took place across 3 irl years

[barren ember]

If we take the Lotus message to be canon then we know that Awakening was 13 years ago

[stiff fable]

Eh that's definitely not accurate, because the Ventkids haven't aged a day

Plot moves at the speed of plot

[pale cedar]

Venkids being saved from debt slavery because they’re never aged up

[sweet wadi]

The ventkids are relatively new in the game’s history, honestly.

[stiff fable]

They've been in the game for more than seven years

[sweet wadi]

https://tenor.com/view/so-old-gif-27277116

[tall echo]

8 years by now, no?

approaching 9?

[stiff fable]

I thought Fortuna was late 2018

[tall echo]

I just remember that it was close to the switch 1 release

[stiff fable]

Yeah, November 2018

So 7.5 years almost exactly

[sweet wadi]

I need kuva, this body is decrepit with age.

[drifting lintel]

The vent teens

[drifting lintel]

Are you a founder?

In 5 ish years this game can vote

[drowsy saddle]

I will die on the headcanon that qorvex is a höllvanian gorilla

[fast dew]

"Loid look i got a gorilla :D"

Loid looked on in utter despair as he looked at the animal raging across the labs

[strange turtle]

“Another endangered animal? I though you had intended to stop with them”

“Noo, I took it from 1999”

“How did you even- I knew I shouldn’t have let you bring nestawood”

[barren ember]

What do you mean, Fortuna just came out a couple years ago...oh god...my bones hurt

[fast dew]

Loid had. A stroke at the sound of "i took it from 1999" because. God knows what diseases it holds

[tall echo]

I started playing when sevagoth was the newest frame, 5 years ago :)

[barren ember]

I started playing when Equinox was the newest frame...x.x

[ocean geyser]

Man i been here for a grand total of one year

[restive river]

It’s more so 13 years ago in canon she awoke the first Tenno, aka founders
Roathe has a special message to founders about it

[ocean geyser]

I probably could have joined when it was ported to Switch but i never thought much of the game when i saw it
(I also didn’t realize it was free)

[restive river]

I first started when Octavia came out but came back for good whenever Equinox Prime came out

[drifting lintel]

He does?

[restive river]

Yeah apparently he does, it’s for a special honoria

[fast dew]

I have. So many random screenshots so I had to look for it

[drifting lintel]

Neat

[fast dew]

Mm, I assume founders get to see random neat stuff like that a lot

[ocean geyser]

A surprisingly respectful Roathe statement given how this goofy ass usually is

[fast dew]

Makes me sad a little. But since I got of my antidepressants ive been crying at the very littlest of things so its. Not a good gauge

The old peace, whispers in the walls, Sevagoth's lullaby for some reason?????

[barren ember]

1999 had me bawling

The great despair still makes me cry when I listen to it

[fast dew]

I genuinely cannot function with certain songs

Lullaby of the manifold gets. Me every time, but specifically the piano version

[ocean geyser]

Understandable tbh

[misty helm]

I think getting ganked by the feels on The Old Peace is pretty normal 👀

[fast dew]

See it. Didn't do that the first run

But the second one hurt me.

So bad.

[misty helm]

Oh
I rarely get emotional on most games; but that last scene with Adis broke me 🥲

[fast dew]

It doesnt help that half way through my 2 run i

Found out about the translation to Yara Jeliira

Which was a horrible experience

[humble sierra]

"His Light" for me though that's obviously designed for tears

[fast dew]

True... the. Theme of any variant of lullaby of the manifold is very. Emotional

[radiant pier]

I wonder how they're gonna give Exca aura in the next big update

they always give Exca extra sauce and it works on me each time

OH YEAH question

is there any lore behind the prototype skins?

[tall echo]

non canon

[radiant pier]

sad

[tall echo]

skins are always non canon unless stated otherwise like yareli or valkyr deluxe

[ashen pulsar]

aw, we don’t just bring em to the future?

[tall echo]

that's gemini, not proto

[ashen pulsar]

oh prototype

not protoframe

misread

[ashen pulsar]

wait, so we do or don’t bring em to the future

[tall echo]

gemini we do bring to the future afaik

[ashen pulsar]

yay

[restive river]

We bring them to the future temporarily

[ashen pulsar]

that’s cute

[restive river]

My guess is we have to keep up the link for it to work

Could be void stuff or the infestation doing its thing
Or both!

[ashen pulsar]

imagine showing your lover around the orbiter or taking them on a date like with the triad

[restive river]

“Here is the person I basically cheated on you with”

[tall echo]

huh, the broken veil shoulder armor has a weird lattice-like pattern like orokin towers do inside

[radiant pier]

yeah I still think dating the triad and the hex at the same time is weird

[restive river]

You can see it in the concept art too, it’s possible the veils use temple kuva

[ashen pulsar]

I think the weird part is that they can’t see or meet each other

[tall echo]

interesting

[ashen pulsar]

it’s not poly, you’re just cheating on them with another person. maybe some of the freakier people (eleanor) make sense to be ok w that, but I feel like this whole thing is very out of character

[restive river]

It’d be fine if they implemented it better, the issue is you literally cheat on your partner and ask for permission AFTERWARD if you want to
Arthur and Lettie are also not polygamous in their KIM convos but are magically okay with getting cheated on and then just accepting what is basically just an open relationship

[noble wraith]

Well that just got spoiled great

[restive river]

Its not about freakiness, polycules aren’t wholly about the freaky lol

[noble wraith]

Never opening this tab again

[restive river]

Apologies, but this is a spoilery chat

[radiant pier]

it's....a chat for lore

[restive river]

lol

[ashen pulsar]

this is lore chat. we discuss all of this game’s lore. even if you haven’t gotten there yet.

[tall echo]

bruh man, just bruh

[ashen pulsar]

ik that, eleanor is just freaky about it.

[fast dew]

What even got spoiled

[tall echo]

"lore discussion"
looks inside
people are discussing lore

:(

[restive river]

She is freaky incarnate

[fast dew]

Half this stuff doesnt even make sense to someone who doesnt know the hex and shit

[restive river]

It’s my least favorite aspect of her character sometimes lol

[ashen pulsar]

she makes the most sense here. she can see them through us.

[restive river]

True, she can kinda get an experience with them

[fast dew]

Realistically i can only see like. Eleanor, quincy, and reluctantly Amir

[restive river]

Though ngl I don’t think any of the Hex would be okay with being with Roathe now that I think about it

[fast dew]

Aoi .. im unsure of

[restive river]

Let alone Drifter being with Roathe lol

[fast dew]

Yeah no its weird in the first place

[tall echo]

quincy would understand

[restive river]

Maybe, but I’m still not so sure

[fast dew]

I think Quincy of all people wouldn't

[tall echo]

roach's voice sounds wimpy to me but ig he has. something. that makes people simp over him. somehow.

[restive river]

Actually
Which of the Hex would be best with the Triad
Excluding Roathe because I hate him

[tall echo]

eleanor

[fast dew]

I. Personally think Eleanor and Lyon

[restive river]

Take away the Albrecht obsession and I can unironically see Lettie or Eleanor with Marie

[restive river]

I can see that too

[fast dew]

Those two vibes well i feel, smthn smthn both being screwed mind wise

[restive river]

I think Eleanor would like them both for different reasons

Lyon because sorta samesies
Marie cause she is just kinda nice and caring when it ain’t about the blue man

[sweet wadi]

Eleanor would also hate the blue man so it evens out

[humble sierra]

Yeah there's nothing that says what a Warframe/Protoframe actually is

It's really just understandable if you have the context

[sweet wadi]

Arthur and Lyon are on similar wavelengths I feel.

[tall echo]

lyon

not resident evil

[sweet wadi]

Amir would drive Lyon insane though.

[fast dew]

Amir would drive. Most people insane i feel

[wise quiver]

Quincy would 1000% be using Uriel for target practice.

[fast dew]

Love you buddy but. Holy shit you are tiresome

[restive river]

I could see Marie adoring him

[fast dew]

I can see that, she has a high tolerance for some people

[wise quiver]

"He is like, how you say, a hyperactive puppy, non?"

[restive river]

Unless it’s about Albrecht

Literally any of the Hex mentions they don’t like him and she’s dumping them

[tall echo]

mag dumping or regular

[sweet wadi]

I don’t think Lettie and Marie would be enemies, but they have very different life philosophies

[fast dew]

I mean

[tall echo]

the idea of marie just pulling out an smg is funny

or lmg?

[fast dew]

Lettie might hate Marie purely because of her dedication to Albrecht

And. Marie's ignorance to things regarding him

[humble sierra]

Eleanor and Lyon would have some interesting conversations about Lua and the Void

[pulsar pendant]

are the Hex members aware of XX99 members?

and vice versa

[tall echo]

yes

[sweet wadi]

They both like animals though

[humble sierra]

Enough to know when you're dating one of them or two if you're me

[pulsar pendant]

how do they know of eachother? they all met when Albrecht did his thing?

[sweet wadi]

I assume Drifter mentions it off screen

[humble sierra]

Eleanor is able to look into your mind and see your Triad partner

[pulsar pendant]

makes sense

[humble sierra]

And presumably you tell them about the others

[wise quiver]

Eleanor adores Marie.

[pulsar pendant]

who wouldn't

[wise quiver]

Lettie, as some folks have pointed out.

[sweet wadi]

Roathe

[pulsar pendant]

right

who is sweeter tho, Marie or Aoi?

[sweet wadi]

Hmm

[wise quiver]

Hmm, they different kinds of sweetness

[pulsar pendant]

exactly

[wise quiver]

Aoi is more...light and fluffy, like cotton candy, were as Marie is a bit heavier, like maple syrup or caramel.

[sweet wadi]

I want to say Aoi has matured more in her sweetness, it’s not quite as touched by naïveté as Marie

[humble sierra]

Marie sometimes uses her sweetness to ignore certain things, Aoi uses her sweetness to try and make Hollvania brighter

[pulsar pendant]

Roathe and Minerva would like eachother tbh

[wise quiver]

Roathe would call Minerva Mistress.

[pulsar pendant]

lmaoo

[stiff fable]

I don't think Marie is supposed to come off as naive with her sweetness tbh

She's just more opinionated

She's the Sol option of the Triad

[sweet wadi]

Not that she’s childish or ignorant, just that she applies a more black and white view on things and doesn’t like accepting the bad with the good.

[pulsar pendant]

if Octavia had a Protoframe, Octavia and Flare would be bffs

[stiff fable]

Okay yes that is completely fair

Sol is the philosophy where you destroy an entire colony's way of life to save a single girl

[pulsar pendant]

but Octavia is very thin and robotic so idk how that would work

[stiff fable]

And where Lotus primarily presents as Natah to project absolute strength

[sweet wadi]

Alternatively they can’t stand each other but in the played up rival artists way. No malice, just two creatives trying to one up each other.

[radiant pier]

the one person I'm absolutely sure wouldn't mind him all that much, is Eudico

[wise quiver]

Oh GOD! What if she was like weird al to Flare?

[radiant pier]

that'd be hilarious

[wise quiver]

Just doing goof ah remixes of Flare's music.

[radiant pier]

and the occasional absolute banger

[pulsar pendant]

or that, but Octavia can play anything, Flare just metal or rock

[stiff fable]

Weird Al likes this idea

Octavia is the marching band

[radiant pier]

how the hell did Albrecht get into 1899 anyway

[pulsar pendant]

fr

[stiff fable]

space magic

[sweet wadi]

And Banshee is the audiophile supplying them with equipment?

[radiant pier]

cuz 1999 I assume there was some technological bs he could've pulled with their stuff at the time

[stiff fable]

but seriously I blame Duviri shenanigans

[pulsar pendant]

yes

[radiant pier]

but then the triad

what kinda technology did they have in 1899 France?!?

[stiff fable]

it depends entirely on how the time travel technology works

[glacial bough]

Eudico is definitely not vibing with Amir like that, she's very much work forward a la Arthur

[pulsar pendant]

and Drifter gets into 1999 by getting eaten by Helminth and being spit out in 1999 right?

[stiff fable]

Albrecht's time travel tech is what enables Protea to use her 4/save Parvos from his ship exploding

[sweet wadi]

… if there was a proto khora, would her cat talk like Lizzie?

[stiff fable]

no. It can talk, but it wouldn't.

[radiant pier]

not vibe, but tolerate, I can see her taking a liking towards Amir when it comes to working against the Corpus

[stiff fable]

Just like Kalymos probably can

[strange plinth]

all we have is that casket
and the void being outside of time or whatever

[stiff fable]

Right

Albrecht probably has outright no u time travel

It's everyone else who has to lifehack their timetravel through the infestation

Wally

Hush

[loud oriole]

closes his eyes and he just randomly appears in no mans land in ww2 or smth

[stiff fable]

STRAIGHT up

[pulsar pendant]

so Helminth ate us and spit us out in 1999?

[stiff fable]

yup

[pulsar pendant]

well Drifter

[stiff fable]

That's why Drifter's in the Excalibur

[pulsar pendant]

that makes sense more, but how did we get to XX99 tho?

[stiff fable]

Roathe talks about it

[pulsar pendant]

i need to do more KIMs lmao

[stiff fable]

He's an absolute genius, he used his own infested blood to grow a new Helminth

I'm genuinely angry about how cool that is

[loud oriole]

roathe built his own helminth with a box of scraps in a cave

[pulsar pendant]

if we can grow a dog from a pimple, anything is possible

[restive river]

And yet the portal isn’t infested, did he tell it to be gold?

[stiff fable]

haha

[restive river]

Well a pimple and an egg :p

[stiff fable]

WE use a different portal to go back there

[pulsar pendant]

yes but still

[restive river]

Since the Triad aren’t in a loop they will eventually succumb to the infestation in real time

[stiff fable]

presumably there's a Helminth setup from when Drifter jumped to 1999 originally

Roathe and his minders appeared from there

[pulsar pendant]

tbh Helminth in 1999 looks way cooler than our Helminth

[wise quiver]

Wish we could reskin our helminth on the orbiter.

[stiff fable]

honestly yeah where's the Helminth cosmetic skins

get on that DE

[restive river]

You can just pick the backrooms lol

[stiff fable]

backrooms take longer to load

[pulsar pendant]

hello there

[lilac aspen]

Because Helminth is already perfect clearly

[restive river]

Does it?
Dang

[pulsar pendant]

she teaches my dog how to sit

yes SHE

[glacial bough]

That's because it's just a normal portal, no time shenanigans

[loud oriole]

fellow ‘narmer staff glasses for helminth’ user 🤝

[radiant pier]

can't wait to have a carpenter warframe

[ashen pulsar]

they
it?

[pulsar pendant]

no way u have it too

[ashen pulsar]

idk the gender of the hive mind

[pulsar pendant]

nah she different

[restive river]

What?
It’s literally a time portal made from his infested blood connecting 1899 and the present

[stiff fable]

CHRIST

I felt that one

[restive river]

It is literally time shenanigans 😭

[loud oriole]

yup, though i used a couple zariman cups and pans for my googly eyes

[pulsar pendant]

lmaoo

[radiant pier]

I just about died laughing when they first showed the name

[stiff fable]

brb sharing with my family

[radiant pier]

realized how plain mine was

[loud oriole]

i jokingly named mine “Rizzletron” to coincide with my Railjack “S.S Gyattlinburg”

[stiff fable]

One of my friends named his "George Costanza"

https://klipy.com/gifs/gvp-george-costanza

[strange plinth]

the big "XX99" whenever you walk through:

[pulsar pendant]

why is it "XX"99? we don't know?

[wise quiver]

No, we do not.

[stiff fable]

technically because they didn't want to settle on a date

[wise quiver]

Though the fact the pattern is 99 is interesting.

[strange plinth]

we're not supposed to
but its most likely 1899 based on the events that Marie and Lyon talk about

[pulsar pendant]

makes sense

[stiff fable]

But it only works as 1899

[ashen pulsar]

and also some stuff that was taken out, right?

[glacial bough]

I'll have to double check, but Roathe talks about how their room is specifically something a part of the Labs. They traveled forward but are now squatting

[pulsar pendant]

true, Lyon and Marie use older English tbh

[stiff fable]

yeah

Lyon mentions his grandparents fought in the revolution

[tall echo]

there's also the prerelease screenshots that straight up said 1899 instead of xx99

[restive river]

I don’t recall that at all, I believe they comment on just hiding in the basement and if that was the case why have the big XX99 when you come in?
It’s a time portal

[pulsar pendant]

their times works normally right? no loop and all that

[restive river]

Nope, no loop
So they should eventually transform

[wise quiver]

Probably, I feel like the loop was specifically set up to trap wally

[restive river]

It was setup so Albrecht could hide, it didn’t do anything to trap Wally

Once he got into the loop he promptly took over it lol

[tall echo]

except we yeeted wally almost as soon as we showed up

[pulsar pendant]

funny how one Tenno trapped Wally and the loop can't

[restive river]

I don’t think that was the loop’s intended purpose lol

Albrecht was just running and hiding, hopefully to keep Loid safe

And again, once Wally got in enough he took control of it
That’s one of the main issues in The Hex quest

[wise quiver]

That being said, I'm fully expecting at some point for a "evil tenno" to show up.

[restive river]

There wouldn’t be an evil tenno

[radiant pier]

wait what happened first, Albrecht going to 1899 or 1999

[pulsar pendant]

well if we can go through the Helminth and travel to 1999 and vice versa, can't the Hex members do that too?

[wise quiver]

As we keep thwarting Wally directly, I can see them saying "Alright, fine, let's find someone else and make a deal."

[restive river]

Margulis helped all of the Tenno with the voices, the only Tenno who lacked Margulis was Rell who held back Wally

[strange plinth]

most likely 1999
but we don't have anything on when albrecht actually went to 1899 because it wasn't set up in the slightest

[restive river]

No, we don’t have a helminth time portal like the Triad does

[wise quiver]

Not what I meant by evil tenno, more so someone who made a deal with wally for power but is aligned against us.

[restive river]

Baro’s been the only other person to make a deal
Also I don’t think Wally would do that lol

[radiant pier]

oh so not an actual "Tenno" just someone else who's made a deal?

[pulsar pendant]

but there is a giant Helminth in Hollvania

[restive river]

Wally also uses the dealbreakers against us, that’s his fragmented

[restive river]

There is
But that Helminth isn’t a time portal

[pulsar pendant]

oh

[wise quiver]

Why not? We have thwarted wally at least a couple times now right? Eventually/soon I can see them throwing their hands up and being all "Fine, let's make a deal with someone else to deal with this."

It's classic bad guy stuff. When you and your minions can't stop the good guys, you outsource

[strange plinth]

why would wally hand out another piece of his power to someone to deal with someone else with a piece of his power

[pulsar pendant]

well but still, it's possible to leave, Kaya did it

[restive river]

But that’s his fragmented, his murmur.
He uses them against us when he cannot go against us himself due to loss of finger

[normal mountain]

So, they wouldn't be from the Zariman, but they'd have the Void Powers Space Magic
Interesting

[restive river]

Not necessarily what they meant

Only the player Tenno made the deal, not every Tenno on the ship

[pulsar pendant]

but made it for everyone

[normal mountain]

I am aware of that fact

[restive river]

Yeah the deal was to save everyone, which gave the rest of the Tenno powers

Aka pieces of Wally

[pulsar pendant]

yup

[wise quiver]

I'm not even talking about the murmur, I'm talking about straight up defying wally when we saved the Hex and helped albrecht get loose.

We...don't know the extent of Wally's power but clearly we are beyond their usual means of reaching.

[restive river]

No I’m saying the Murmur and Fragmented is the force he uses against us
The Fragmented are individuals who made a deal with him and broke it
The Murmur is just him

[wise quiver]

Where you get that info from? It's been a bit for me since I played.

[restive river]

Iirc it’s from Isleweaver, I’ll try to find the exact quote if you like

[pulsar pendant]

Ducky has too much time on her hands

and eats Warframe lore for breakfast

[wise quiver]

That aside, there is again...a difference between them and us in terms of power scale and everything else.

[restive river]

When the Fragmented envoy appears

Neci Rusalka: [giggles] "My herald looked like you, once."

Neci Rusalka: "This is your future."

Neci Rusalka: "I have uses for dealbreakers."

Neci Rusalka: "How will I reassemble your pieces?"

[restive river]

Power-scale empathy

[restive river]

It’s yummy :)

[radiant pier]

I hope at one point, we get to see what Albrecht first saw when he was in the void

[pulsar pendant]

i need to do WarframeDle, brb

[strange plinth]

there's another line that mentions being able to 'reshape your human body' or something
don't remember what its tied to other than isleweaver

[wise quiver]

All I'm saying is that from a story telling perspective, some kind of "evil version of the hero" will show up. The closest we had was Stalker and he is off being a dad now.

[restive river]

Have you not seen the notes in necraloid’s room?

[wise quiver]

And the acolytes don't really...cut it(specially cause they are SP exclusive kinda sorta.)

[restive river]

Wally, consistently looking exactly like us:

[strange plinth]

the acolytes are barely canon anyway

they all died in their operation

[wise quiver]

Okay? But they don't show up in a mission to try and kill us, or have a quest/storyline where we interact/fight them directly.

[normal mountain]

The prospect of "evil Tenno" reminds me of an odd idea I once had
A Whisper from Albrecht's Labs getting true sentience, and being suddenly struck with empathy
And is torn between doing what Whispers do, or actually helping us

[wise quiver]

Like, I would 100% be down for the shadow link treatment if DE goes that route, but as it stands it's just a easter egg.

[restive river]

No, but we don’t have to have that moment either
Stalker and the moment with Arthur is the closest visually and Wally kinda just is the other

[radiant pier]

and I hope we see it

I hope we're just alone in complete darkness, with nothing but a fragile "bubble"

[restive river]

Warframe doesn’t need a Shadow the Hedgehog or Dark Link or whatever

[humble sierra]

Stalker

[smoky gulch]

SP acolytes are Tenno stress response delusions to SP hardships (DE recycled content to spice things up on budget)

[humble sierra]

Literally Excal recolor

[restive river]

I mentioned him LOL

[radiant pier]

and make it first person! I want to experience anxiety

[humble sierra]

I didn't read that far up 😎

[restive river]

Stalker’s the closest we have
We also have the brief fight with Arthur

I’d say Stalker was enough of that too, he was a mysterious problem for years, had a big moment in the Second Dream and now his story has continued

[radiant pier]

he also takes it up the butt from some of us so I don't think that shadow analogy works too well

I mean unless you read the fanfics

[smoky gulch]

I feel like Stalker could be relegated from story now, his role changed from avenger to nurturer

[humble sierra]

The kid is important

[restive river]

I mean he’s still trying to avenge the Orokin, he still hunts us

He’s still angry about it he’s just also a dad now

[normal mountain]

Those are the experienced Tenno with supremely powerful gear
Like Shadow trying to fight Super Sonic (without going Super himself)
But newer Tenno, or those with lower power gear?
Yeah, he can kill them real quick

[wise quiver]

You are correct in that it is not required right now and it's also one of a couple options. Having some kind of foil to the hero(our tenno) isn't needed now, but at some point it will be important.

[smoky gulch]

I feel like the attacks are more gameplay forcing story's hand, but yes, he can still be used as actor

But I wanted to point out that he could never appear again and it would be fine end to his plot

[wise quiver]

Or we get some explanations as to why certain things unfold, like why Wally doesn't just make someone as strong as the tenno and sends them after us if we keep getting in the way.

[restive river]

I don’t think it’s required to have that at all, the closest we have is Stalker
We don’t need just the Tenno again as a random villain

[humble sierra]

I'm just imagining he's bounty hunting Tenno to keep food on the table. Being a single parent is hard.

[restive river]

Might have to actually do with what he gets out of the deals, which we don’t really know

Both of his deals involve either splitting and/or merging the timeline

[normal mountain]

I'd imagine some Tenno let him kill their warframe so he can collect said bounties
Once they learn his situation, ofc

[stiff fable]

Since we're on the subject, before Jade Shadows I had a crazy thought that Stalker's second promotion was going to be his Operator jumping out to fight you with an amp