lore-discussion

[fast dew]

So. Therefore, multiplayer in duviri is just. Ludonarritive dissonance

[stiff fable]

but plenty of Tenno woke up before the player did and if even three of them woke up early enough to age to adulthood, you have enough adult Tenno for a squad

[lean garden]

Hang on, where did you pull this one from?

[fast dew]

No..?

[normal mountain]

Or Drifter got jealous of multiple Tenno and CE'd his own squads

[fast dew]

Where did you hear that one from lol

[stiff fable]

I already said, it's extending what they've said in the past

[stiff fable]

Voruna

[lean garden]

extended what who said?

[stiff fable]

DE

[fast dew]

Where..?

[rare scarab]

don’t forget Old Peace, right?

[stiff fable]

The official explanation for why they don't do NPC Tenno is that the other players represent other Tenno

[lean garden]

Ok, so

I dont think you can just say

"certain high ranking tenno are being allowed to visit xyz"

if youre just extending off that

[stiff fable]

That's more basis than half the theories in this chat and you know it

[normal mountain]

Hey, I enjoy making crackpot theories

Don't go harshing my fun

[fast dew]

Can. I see a source for where that was. Said..?

[strange plinth]

i understand this conceptually but i don't agree that it would work given what we currently know about the tenno
like. theoretically they all should've been "woken up" around the same time after TSD, or dead.

[pale cedar]

Yeah, still waiting for that source from DE

[lean garden]

super technically, we can account for one tenno thats awake before us

not rell

[normal mountain]

Of course not Rell
He never fell asleep

[stiff fable]

Like I said, we only need three

[rare scarab]

theory, every vendor we talk to are actually secretly eldritch immortal horror who never age

[strange plinth]

is this the dsiege 'everyone is actually wally' with some flavor /s

[normal mountain]

That's not a theory, what you talking about?

[pale cedar]

We were awake in Old War cinematic before Voruna’s Operator was active

[stiff fable]

pft

[normal mountain]

That's a fact

[rare scarab]

all the vendors are actually wally

[normal mountain]

Nah, that's boring

They're all Void Tower personas
With human avatars

Think Unum

[fast dew]

So.. scarne made the vendors..

[normal mountain]

Yup lol!

[rare scarab]

what if wally possessed the whole origin system like how that one lady become the forest or something with Titania plot

[glacial bough]

We'd have to have already lost for that to happen

[rare scarab]

how do we know for sure that hasn’t happened

[pale cedar]

Because it hasn’t happened

[glacial bough]

Because Wally possession is blatant and obvious

[fast dew]

Violent too

[rare scarab]

as a god or whatever could wally just make it not obvious

[fast dew]

No hes..not a god

Hes still bound by basic cause and effect currently

[glacial bough]

He's very likely not a god

[strange plinth]

not a god
and you can tell when he's possessing rusalka, because he's still leaking through her personality

[rare scarab]

bro is portal diff ig

[strange plinth]

how many of these do you have saved

[glacial bough]

We both know that's not hard evidence though

[rare scarab]

now what if he also embodies Albrecht beliefs in God or whatever

[fast dew]

Albrecht doesn't believe in. God

[rare scarab]

thats why it would be conceptual

[pale cedar]

3

[fast dew]

.. he doesn't. Believe in a god. The preconceived notions of a god he would have, would be. Orokin

And thats not how conceptual embodiment works

[strange plinth]

fair enough
ik i've seen two, then. not sure about the third

[glacial bough]

Albrecht has no beliefs in gods to feed off

[strange plinth]

if there were any, it'd just be the Vain Faith

[rare scarab]

well he would have an idea of what a god is tho right

[glacial bough]

If Wally is a CE, of course

[fast dew]

Eternalism, conceptual embodiment, and. Calling us dense methinks

[fast dew]

Yeah. The orokin.

[pale cedar]

Godhood one
Eternalism one
Paying Attention one

[strange plinth]

right, forgot about the paying attention one
.. ironic

[rare scarab]

forget what Albrechts thoughts on the Orokin were, wasn’t there a reason he didn’t go Blue?

[strange plinth]

he did

there's a portrait of blue albrecht in the zariman

[fast dew]

He was blue.

His daughter is blue. His grandchildren are blue.

[pale cedar]

Thomas
Get them with Bluebrecht

[strange plinth]

but he needed to blend in in 1999, so he stopped being blue
never did the arm thing as far as we can tell, though

[rare scarab]

but then he unblued himself

[pale cedar]

He lost his skin it was kinda forced

[fast dew]

Woae

[pale cedar]

Blue

[fast dew]

No nemesis. The portrait is after he got sandblasted

Cmon

Keep up with the program

[pale cedar]

That’s why I said kinda forced

He lost his skin then had to repaint himself

Then removed it

[fast dew]

Ic ic

[pale cedar]

I’m a book
I can’t forget these things

[restive river]

Correct me if I’m wrong
Cause I’m tired and just woke
But wouldn’t the mask’s arch be broken if it’s post incident? Or no
Idr if he had it always broken after or interchangeably

[pale cedar]

I think he just made another

[fast dew]

The mask in the netracells is intact so I assume he had a few

[restive river]

[lilac aspen]

I always wondered why blue though

How come we don’t have any Orange Orokin
Red
Purple
Green

WHERE’S MY PURE PINK OROKIN, BALLAS?

[restive river]

We do have purple and green

[pale cedar]

He either has a few or made another afterwards which can explain it

[restive river]

Look at the refacia kit lol

[strange plinth]

nihil's slightly pink

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a weird shade of green

[rare scarab]

think tenno would have the abilito create their own unique weapons?

[pale cedar]

Albrecht is a weird shade of Autism

[fast dew]

HSHAHEHA

[restive river]

Iirc they did

[lilac aspen]

Not enough
We need one like how we fully color a warframe

[restive river]

Also zaws and kitguns lol

[fast dew]

Weird shade of autism™

Im a weird shade of autism...

[pale cedar]

Thank you for listening to my Lore talk

[rare scarab]

ig duiviri stuff counts

[restive river]

Again though
The Orokin weren’t just blue, we have just yet to see any that fully break that mold

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht being a shade of autistic explains a lot

[fast dew]

Explains his daughter too

[restive river]

Eh, not really

[pale cedar]

His Bpd daughter

[fast dew]

Is it BPD or is it Autism

Gotta question that shit

[pale cedar]

Hm

[restive river]

Duviri wasn’t made intentionally and neither were the things in it
Iirc there were Tenno that forged weapons though

[pale cedar]

That’s a hard one

[fast dew]

Because autism can present similar to BPD

[pale cedar]

I feel she fits BPD more

She could have both

[strange plinth]

yea i think there are a couple weapons that are attributed specifically to the tenno rather than the orokin?

[fast dew]

She could, but if her father has it, chances are its just the autism being funny

[pale cedar]

Autism making her a nerd BPD the rest

[restive river]

Ye

[pale cedar]

Should look at the criteria for Autism and see how many times Mother fits the symptoms

[fast dew]

Lemme pull them up

[fast dew]

This. Is a long list compared to bpd

[glacial bough]

I don't believe we can say Mother is on the spectrum. Bipolar, almost certainly. But she doesn't really show any particular signs of the other

[fast dew]

... bpd is. Borderline

Not. Bipolar. Bipolar is shortened to BD-1/2

The thing with her matching borderline is that. Afab folk will present autism as similar to BPD

[fast dew]

The. Diagnostic criteria of BPD lol

I know this beast first hand

[pale cedar]

I don’t think Mother really fits many of the Autistic traits

At most
Meltdowns and hating change maybe

[fast dew]

Those. Are one of the strongest 😭

She also struggles with. Hyperfixation

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t show any sensory issues so far at least

[fast dew]

Sensory issues arent always present

[pale cedar]

Yeah

Just looking at specific ones that are there

[fast dew]

Mmmm

[glacial bough]

I don't know how much we can say that given it's not about a particular subject or the like but about finding out what happened to Albrecht

[fast dew]

That. Is a hyperfixation

Autistic person here, my hyperfixations have extended to. The specific way I eat.

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, autism spectrum is a smorgasbord - it's lots of different symptoms, but most people won't have all of them, just some

[pale cedar]

Yeah, She refused to let go of the thought of losing him

[fast dew]

Its not always a topic

[glacial bough]

Sure, I just don't think you can put that on being the spectrum than just her trying to find her dad

[fast dew]

It also helps that Albrecht presents as a high functioning/high masking autistic adult, possibly suggesting a genetic.. risk..? Idk the right word, risk sounds bad lol

[fast dew]

You also have. The violent outbursts and lack of emotional control

She apparently "struggled to be nice" as a kid

Which. Is a very known issue autistic kids have lol

[zenith ore]

About albrecht,|| who is he? What is he? Did he time travel? How th did that happen? What does he have to do with Marie roathe and Lyon? How did he meet the hex and what did he do to them? ||

I have more questions but I think this a bit too much

[fast dew]

Oh boy.

Thomas activation.

Okay so Albrecht is the patriarch of the entrati family, he faked his death to the family and the empire. He created void travel

His discovery of void travel comes from the events that occurred when. He launched himself into the void in a bout of frustration and desperation

He threw himself into the void and. Possibly conceptual embodied the man in the wall

Wally reached out to grab him, Albrecht ran, and. Wally had his fingers cut off when Albrecht closed the door

Skip a bit. And Albrecht is. Scared

Scared of what was beyond the wall. Scared that he was the one who left, not... himself

Because. Wally looked like him when he first appeared

So. Albrecht throws animals into the void in attempt to dumb wally down

[glacial bough]

How far have you played into the game?

[fast dew]

Suddenly, Albrecht has talking animals on his hands. He feels bad. They go into cryo

Then he launches himself into the void again, in... maybe a passive attempt at suicide?

[zenith ore]

Alr done with the story and I have a good idea about the story and what happened and happening

[fast dew]

This is when we think he cut off the family

He's now in duviri, he realises what duviri is and how his daughter kept his silly childhood stories yada yada love

[zenith ore]

The cutseen part?

[fast dew]

Nup. Thats a separate thing

[zenith ore]

Ah

[strange plinth]

the requiem logs in the necralisk are his, as are the notes dropped by the whisper grimoire 'bosses' in the labs
they detail.. a lot about who he is n what he's doing
i'll let thomas continue the larger narrative but
time travelled via that casket that loid hit with a big hammer (ekhein). likely void related
his relation to the triad is explained in their chats
his story with the hex is told through his notes and the hex's chats, as well as a little bit in the hex prequel comic

[fast dew]

So. He leaves duviri, and.. goes to 1999 temporarily, and makes the hex protoframes

He leaves and. Seemingly goes to the xx99 group?

[zenith ore]

By using void travel

[glacial bough]

Ok, I have to ask since half of your question are explained through the characters, like with the Triad

[fast dew]

Time travel, its partially facilitated the void

[pale cedar]

Albrecht does a lot of abandoning people

[fast dew]

Oh he also made the vessels at a suggestion of his lover, Loid

Anyways, he leaves xx99 and does. More shenanigans

[zenith ore]

True

[fast dew]

He kidnaps roach and turns him, offers the same with Marie and Lyon

[zenith ore]

But it's for his "cause"

[fast dew]

No clue how or when the roundtable comes in but its. Post hex and triad methinks

[glacial bough]

Though I suppose with Albrecht it should be if you've played through the KIM system

[fast dew]

Would you rather roathe be handed to a group that isnt equal to a warframe..?

[stiff fable]

For that experiment? Yes actually

[fast dew]

No.

Roach would kill them.

[zenith ore]

I'm not sure

[stiff fable]

The point is redemption

[fast dew]

Yeah. Can't do that if Roathe kills them.

[stiff fable]

If Roache can't restrain himself among people he sees as lesser then redemption is impossible

[zenith ore]

Wasn't he normal then turned blue by albrecht and became the devil / uriel?

[pale cedar]

You can redeem anyone in Warframe with Redeemer Prime

[fast dew]

No, he was all that before Albrecht.

[stiff fable]

No, all Orokin are blue

Because fashion

[fast dew]

Albrecht just gave him the helminth strain.

[woven coyote]

His title as devil of tau was for his achievements in the war iirc

[stiff fable]

I think it did make Roathe smaller though

[woven coyote]

Along with grand carnus

[stiff fable]

And fixed his arms to be the same size

[misty helm]

Do not redeem

[fast dew]

Uriel predates his helminth injections

[fast dew]

We don't know that?

Roathe could just be a short orokin

Albrecht is rather short himself

[pale cedar]

Try and stop me so I can redeem you too

[fast dew]

If we compare him to Ballas

[zenith ore]

Have you seen a short orokin

[stiff fable]

Not human size short tho

[fast dew]

...huh

Whats "human size short"?

[stiff fable]

Orokin ego would never allow it

[fast dew]

... Albrecht.

[stiff fable]

Who we know did remove his Orokin augmentations

[fast dew]

Yeah and??

Orokin might just choose tall yuvans

[tall echo]

have we seen a tall orokin?

[fast dew]

One of Roathe's yuvans was an emergency one

[stiff fable]

They modify the bodies afterwards

[fast dew]

Maybe ballas.

[pale cedar]

Still is an Orokin who is both not blue and isn’t following the norms

[stiff fable]

Which we know because of the arms

[woven coyote]

Ballas besides lotus

[fast dew]

The rest we've seen are all not proper representations of an orokin body

The entrati, Nihil

[tall echo]

every humanoid is kinda the same height aside from kids

[pale cedar]

Ballas needs to break a leg

Scrap go break Ballas’ leg

[tall echo]

or like. obviously altered ones

[zenith ore]

Nihil? Elden ring reference?

[fast dew]

Nihil, Glassmaker. The creator of the cephalon program.

[misty helm]

I think the implication of that argument is; "Unless it's clearly stated that Roathe removed or simply didn't had Orokin esthetic augmentations, then he probably had them"
Is that right? 🤔

[fast dew]

Arkadia what are you doing up so early what the hell lmao

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[fast dew]

I saw you

[zenith ore]

It was a jest

[smoky gulch]

Huh, Drifter doesn't like the sight of Ballas afer TNW. When approaching the Warden in Duviri: "Do not eye me so venomously. I do not know you."

[zenith ore]

Hey i might need some help with this side mission riddle, mirage?

[stiff fable]

Ah, that one

[zenith ore]

Yes, that one

[stiff fable]

I solved most of the riddles but it turned out one of them had multiple answers

[woven coyote]

I mean when you think about it
Aside from the grey strain affeceted family
The 3 other orokin we have met have been reasonably human sized

[stiff fable]

Thanks to the map changing aaaaaa

[misty helm]

Right, then 👍
The issue I see with it, is that by the same principle we would need the same specificity, but with the notion of Roathe's hypothetical agumentations being modified by the serum; because it's resting on the lack or need of direct, clear proof of something in a very rigorous manner.

[fast dew]

He clearly still has some of his augmentation. Maybe the tail. Definitely those ears. The skin

[strange plinth]

which riddle is it

[woven coyote]

The answers are all irl myths and stories btw

[misty helm]

I always thought the tail was just part of Uriel's strain, but now that you point it... 🤔 That tail is too gilded to be part of Uriel's strain

[zenith ore]

What, there are multiple? Dang I hate riddles.
To revive the one wielding fantasy ancient gods so cruel, yada yada

[fast dew]

Chances are Uriel is visually themed off Roathe

[misty helm]

Yeah, that too

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/do-you-have-any-idea-how-little-that-narrows-it-down-that-narrows-it-down-clear-now-its-clear-now-i-understand-now-gif-21256627

[fast dew]

Uriel, from a top down view, has the same... chestplate thing...?

[zenith ore]

How come yk the lore so much?

[fast dew]

Autism

Too much time and autism

Im so deadass

[strange plinth]

oh, that's olympus
node's on mars
mount olympus, seat of the greek gods
-# the three riddles are all based around greek myth

[zenith ore]

Good for you I suppose

[zenith ore]

Never doubted or said anything mate

[pale cedar]

Thomas you misspelled it, it’s Loretism

[zenith ore]

You have that said in your bio

[fast dew]

Nah its. Just to reinforce it in a funny way, not to say youre doubting that

[woven coyote]

[misty helm]

Could it be that Roathe is in the process of becoming Uriel Prime? Like, his strain being the Primed one?

Though, if I think about it... it would have more gilded parts; it doesn't make sense already, for the fact that we don't even have a semblance of how Uriel Prime will look. Ignore that.

[fast dew]

No absolutely not

He is. A normal strain

[strange plinth]

the parts that have transformed are already regular uriel

[stiff fable]

No, they were very separate

[zenith ore]

Do I just go there?

[fast dew]

Though, Roathe does know Uriel prime

[woven coyote]

He literally says he know the name of the one who was made into uriel prime

[stiff fable]

Albrecht didn't use any prime strains to make protos, for that matter

[woven coyote]

All the uriels were ppl under roathe's command

[zenith ore]

There's a prime version? He's alr op🙏

[misty helm]

My man went and got a tail for esthetic purposes
I guess he really digged the "Devil of Tau" nickname?

[pale cedar]

I didn’t know the Orokin were Greek now

[fast dew]

He did, very much

[stiff fable]

Now I'm imagining him rolling up to a used Warframe dealer to buy Helminth strains in bulk

[fast dew]

Ugh my. Hands hurt so much

[pale cedar]

I’ll make them hurt more by forcing you to type

[fast dew]

NO

[zenith ore]

Too much typing

[fast dew]

Its not even my hand its my wrist

Shes crunchy

[zenith ore]

Is it...

[strange plinth]

i mean
ballas was on mars, sounds like the other Seven weren't

• the other ones have no relation to the orokin as far as i can tell

[zenith ore]

Because of push ups?

[fast dew]

HAH NO

I wouldn't be able to move my arms lmao

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

No i just have. Symptoms of carpel tunnel that the doctors are being weird about™

Carpal...? Carpel.

[misty helm]

Did he? That's so cool
I haven't got to him mentioning* that yet, but the fact for once the individuals that got turned into Prime WFs are mentioned is almost a relief

I wonder if the process entailed something more than just "this Warframe gets the job done; make a Prime of it". Like, if the subject had anything special onto them or something, or prehaps it was just another human to be deformed by the Helmith

[woven coyote]

He explains it in person, not on the pc

[pale cedar]

Ballas was neighbours with the Entrati that’s such a curse on his name

[zenith ore]

Weird about you say? Careful mate might be something dangerous. Who's gonna explain the lore for me later if I wanted?

[fast dew]

Dw I can still do it, i got. Speech to text

I just have to pause my show every time I ramble

[misty helm]

Oh! By any chance, is it a line that was triggered when you were using Uriel?

[fast dew]

Man how will I finish the 3rd season of hannibal now

[fast dew]

Nah, he just says it in a dialogue option

[zenith ore]

By watching it

[strange plinth]

"Devil of Tau?" iirc

[pale cedar]

I couldn’t even finish the 3rd season

[fast dew]

Mhm

[pale cedar]

3rd season was honestly really bad

[woven coyote]

Nope its the dialogue option that doesnt involve a store

[fast dew]

Eh, rushed but I can stomach it

[zenith ore]

That's what they say

[pale cedar]

I normally don’t have issues with bad seasons somehow

But I did for the first time ever

[zenith ore]

I just appreciate the art and the acting and the effort that was put into it even if it was an absolute dogshit

[fast dew]

Its cus the first two are super strong and. Then its super disappointing

[zenith ore]

Maybe not absolute but still

[misty helm]

👀

Wait, does that mean that Uriel was a prime from he getgo? Like, he mentions:

"I was there for his, hm, hatching? I suppose. Uriel Prime."

[fast dew]

No lmao

[pale cedar]

There’s people who take this to mean Roathe was Uriel Prime

[fast dew]

Countless of his men were turned into Uriels

[woven coyote]

And one of them was uriel prime

[fast dew]

Roathe was just there for the prime

[woven coyote]

Well at least someone roathe knew

[misty helm]

Yes, but we do know some Warframes were Prime from the start.

[fast dew]

Yeah. That doesnt indicate much

[pale cedar]

Thomas
Were you the man that became Uriel Prime?

[fast dew]

HAH no

[misty helm]

To make things clear; what I mean is that, when Uriel Prime was "hatched"... would that mean then, that the others (the rest of Roathe's men) were some kind of low/diluted strains of it?

[pale cedar]

Let’s change that fact then

[fast dew]

What?

[pale cedar]

Thomas get over here

I’m gonna make you a frame now

[fast dew]

How do you come to the conclusion that the word hatched indicates the others are diluted versions of the prime?

[ashen pulsar]

…how?

[fast dew]

Qorvex please :3c

[pale cedar]

They skip the hatching part

[ashen pulsar]

seriously?

[fast dew]

Yuppers

[ashen pulsar]

:|

[woven coyote]

Is a normal playstation 5 a diluted version of one of those special painted limited editions?

[fast dew]

So gender............

[ashen pulsar]

qorvex.

[fast dew]

Qorvex !

Qorvexing it up

[ashen pulsar]

you would choose to be the brick.

[fast dew]

Yes.

[pale cedar]

No, I’ll make you Loki

[fast dew]

NO

[ashen pulsar]

limbofication

[fast dew]

I can deal with limbo

[misty helm]

Because the contrary would assume this quote is a lie:

"Some Warframes were Prime from the start. Others earned it. Ballas never told the whole truth."
In the sense of the doubt; If some Warframes were Prime from the start, then when you make a strain of it... is a Prime strain always? Or could you make a non-Prime strain of it?

[woven coyote]

Sony already has the blueprints for the ps5 they can just make small alterations to the design and make slightly different versions

[fast dew]

But how does the word hatched imply that? The word hatched just means a form of birth

[pale cedar]

It’s better than being Ember

[ashen pulsar]

primes are expensive

[radiant pier]

thomas

[fast dew]

Id pull an Albrecht if i became any femme frame

[radiant pier]

isn't it 5 am

[fast dew]

... 5:42

I have college in a few hours

[radiant pier]

ykw

[zenith ore]

Woah woah woah, ember hate will not be tolerated. Maybe limbo

[radiant pier]

I'm ignoring it

[pale cedar]

What if you became one of the X frames like Flare or Xaku

[zenith ore]

Timezones pal

[radiant pier]

why don't you wanna be an Ember?

[woven coyote]

Like altering a design isnt difficult today, why do people try to overcomplicate the orokin's ability to do the same?

[fast dew]

Temple i can handle, Xaku is. Not one id enjoy

[radiant pier]

does the prospect of burning stuff not yk

[fast dew]

Nah its accurate

[misty helm]

The "I was there for his, hm, hatching" phrase implies he was "present" when Uriel was created. The fact the next words that follow are "Uriel Prime" tie everything else of the train of thought together.

[radiant pier]

spark something in you

[ashen pulsar]

you can’t just turn someone into xaku

[fast dew]

Shes a woman and. I aint

[radiant pier]

it's 5am for the guy

[zenith ore]

5am yet you're still awake?

[fast dew]

Yeah insomnia is mean

[pale cedar]

Thomas said he’d pull an Albrecht so I can

[ashen pulsar]

he was there when uriel prime was created. that’s what he’s saying. We can see that he is not a prime.

[pale cedar]

What if I just CE Thomas as Xaku?

[radiant pier]

I'm sure the Warframes can change their genders

[zenith ore]

I've unlocked the second riddle, if anyone want to help.
To build the one you think witty, seek the nymph who sang oh so pretty. Yada yada more talking

[fast dew]

No thanks i like my personality being solid and confined

[ashen pulsar]

perhaps

[radiant pier]

do you not remember the convertible dih discussion?

[fast dew]

LMFAO

No I just..prefer qorvex

[radiant pier]

suit yourself, I for one AHHHHHH AHHHHHHH

AHHHHH

-# AHHHHHHH

[normal mountain]

Iirc, it's all Greek mythology
Who's the Greek nymph who sang pretty?

[radiant pier]

Hades

[ashen pulsar]

I was gonna ask if CE can fundamentally change the internals of smth, but then I realized that all of the innate incarnons are like that

[normal mountain]

...

[radiant pier]

what?

[normal mountain]

Prepare the orange sauce

[radiant pier]

what orange sauce

[normal mountain]

I'm having duck for dinner

[strange plinth]

||calypso, on saturn||
i see a hint already in here so i'm making it optional

[radiant pier]

I could probably defeat you rather easily

[pale cedar]

What if I just turn Thomas into a new frame that has 0 abilities or kit?

[zenith ore]

Ah dang I was guessing, thanks though

[radiant pier]

now do note, no one's winnin

[fast dew]

Pain and anguish

[radiant pier]

@zenith ore you be profen?

[ashen pulsar]

generation one or two

[zenith ore]

Oh I be profen all day

[radiant pier]

gross

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-head-tongue-out-gif-4829872985915087399

[radiant pier]

what's wrong with you

passing out

[pale cedar]

Gen 1 because it’s batch made really really early

[misty helm]

Yeah, that be true.

I mean, I can imagine for practical purposes (the fact the literally design for Uriel Prime doesn't even exist yet), that Roathe's model cannot literally be Uriel Prime.

So, to that matter, if I had to attribute something lore-wise speaking to that fact, is that Uriel wasn't* Prime from the start and that Albretch is a cheapskate (/s)

[fast dew]

Albrecht likely stole the strains

[normal mountain]

Either that, or protoframes cannot be Primes for some reason

Probably both

[pale cedar]

Most Albrecht thing ever

[restive river]

Dropping you into the deep void <3

[fast dew]

Albrecht steals a lot, its one of my favourite parts of his character

[zenith ore]

Out of all the things

[ashen pulsar]

I just realized something. daklo complains about Caliban prime being a “waste of orokin gold”, right? Isn’t the infestation making all that gold anyways?

[normal mountain]

Funny thing though
Kaya chats strongly imply that Albrecht has access to Protea blueprints
Which was made with his research that Parvos stole

[zenith ore]

I just remembered a question

[strange plinth]

the whole ass cars in the netracells:

[normal mountain]

Two wrongs lol

[ashen pulsar]

warframes are made by the strain molecularly reconstructing a person, aren’t they?

[misty helm]

Now, onto the whole "Prime from the start" thing... Does that mean that there's some Warframes out there that literally don't have non-Prime variants? The doubt following a train of thought that, to be otherwise, the strain would have to be literally diluted or tweaked to be literally LESS than the performance of the base variant (which is Prime) 🤔

[normal mountain]

Not you, Ducky
The other duck

[fast dew]

. Parvos. Made the protea blueprints from stolen entrati tech

[normal mountain]

That's
What I said
No?

[restive river]

Us ducks gotta stick together (until that other duck crosses me )

[fast dew]

Yeah. Harmless and really funny. Ain't no way he bought a coffee machine and stuck it in his Netracells

[zenith ore]

Lyon, in one of the discussion with him, he said he heard voices... Rap, tap, tap. How come he can hear em?

[woven coyote]

Car in jar! Get your car in jar! Stolen fresh from unsuspecting people under a dictatorial regime!!

[fast dew]

Infestation linking him to Rell

[pale cedar]

Two wrongs don’t make a right?
Negative +Negative= Positive

[zenith ore]

Huh

[ashen pulsar]

it’s harder to make primes than it is to make normal frames. if people intended to produce many of the same frame, they would make a basic variant.

[fast dew]

Oh and

Albrecht probably committed tax fraud

[normal mountain]

That only works with multiplication
Adding negatives still equals a negative

[fast dew]

He doesnt exist in a legal sense, in 1999

But. He has a clothing store.

[ashen pulsar]

I think that’s the least of his crimes

[fast dew]

Meaning he needs to do taxes

[normal mountain]

Excuse me
"The addition of two negatives still results in a negative sum"

[zenith ore]

He does!?

[pale cedar]

I dunno We killed the Orokin for committing a wrong and it let to a positive

[zenith ore]

It's a +

[ashen pulsar]

did it tho

[normal mountain]

Then clearly murder is multiplicative, not additive

[fast dew]

Yk the backroom area? The front room is a clothing store. It has signage. "Timeless style" in proto orokin

With. Obols behind it

So.

That's a thing

[zenith ore]

Daamn, I noticed it belonged to him but I didn't know it was a clothing store

Well, you learn a thing every day

[normal mountain]

Another character quirk
extremely bad puns

[fast dew]

He's also on. Mm. Was it Drillbit? Drillbit or harddrive, one of them. He's on one of their shirts

[fast dew]

Dad jokes :)

[normal mountain]

Hmm
You're right, he is eligible for dad jokes

No idea why that never occurred to me lol

[fast dew]

You'll also notice he coincidentally gave King arthur his sword, Excalibur

[misty helm]

I imagine so.

Curiously, if that were to be the true nature of the whole ordeal (the fact a 'Prime' base had to be nerfed to make less-performative variants), then theoretically Uriel could have indeed been Prime from the start and the rest of the Uriels were just diluted variants of it (including the one strain Albretch injected to Roathe).

[fast dew]

-# gave arthur the Excalibur strain

[zenith ore]

Will arthur ever be a good boy and stop with his cool guy act

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[strange plinth]

only ever partially

[zenith ore]

[fast dew]

Yeah its not even really an act

He. Is just like that. Thats his personality

[misty helm]

Caledfwlch Prime

[zenith ore]

Aoi or Marie?

[fast dew]

Neither. Aoi hurts my head and Marie insults the family

[zenith ore]

How would Aoi hurt your head

[fast dew]

Loud. Overwhelming

[zenith ore]

My kind

[fast dew]

Amir is like that too

[ashen pulsar]

from the way roathe talks about uriel, it doesn’t seem like it, but perhaps

[rare scarab]

did Roathe say anything on what Wally embodies? I don’t remember, if not I say Wally could embody Ignorance?

[restive river]

No, not that he’d actually know

[rare scarab]

he just believes wally is conceptual

[restive river]

Drifter mentions him being an embodiment of entropy
Or maybe that was Eleanor
It was a convo with her
Either way it’s not like they really know

[restive river]

I mean he is to some extent

[rare scarab]

I see

ig wally doesn’t need to 1 to 1 tied to why the void is effective against sentients

[restive river]

He isn’t the embodiment of the void

[rare scarab]

but he was born from it

or whatever

perhaps ignorance could be too similar to Lovecraft stuff

[heady quest]

yo I think they silently update the duviri themed dojo rooms and all of a sudden we got weave technology getting showcased again

and now it is being used to conjure up parts of duviri for our dojo rooms XDD

a shame we still don't have all of the emotions

[strange plinth]

conceptual embodiment is just the term for "When consciousness and Void come together, it makes a thing." as Yonta says during angels
its less literally embodying a concept as much as it is just manifesting something in the void

[zenith ore]

Consciousness or emotions?

The ||drifter|| felt lonely that's how duviri was formed no? Or that's just nonsense

[strange plinth]

The Angels were coming, breaking through the walls, and I had nowhere to run. I had the book, then I just remember thinking ‘This is where I can be safe.’
sorta
emotions absolutely impact CE, but i'm not sure if they're 'required' for it

Yonta only mentions consciousness, but the Tales of Duviri focuses on controlling emotions to prevent outbursts

[pale cedar]

Doubt it was just lonely

[strange turtle]

fryijg pan

[pale cedar]

I feel if it was just that CE wouldn’t have happened

[woven coyote]

And then there's the two crystalized lovers creating a void tunnel between them who i doubt still have counsciousness

[fast dew]

Which is really weird cus mother did not know of conceptual embodiment

One of her new lines suggest she's. Upset over the conceptually embodied things

Wally, Duviri

[woven coyote]

Upset over them being a thing or upset at the book failing?

[fast dew]

Them being a thing! Shes upset over the void not being scientific

[woven coyote]

I think that sounds a bit wrong

[fast dew]

(scoffs) "I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"

[woven coyote]

If yonta knew of conceptual embodyment there is no way euleria wouldnt

[fast dew]

Like girl did you not know that was a thing or

Is the frustration specifically. Over the two things or

[fast dew]

Perhaps it. Was a recent discovery..? Maybe the family already left by the time Yonta and others learned of it

Regardless its. Really really weird lol

[normal mountain]

The book was probably written more to control emotions so the Void doesn't freak you out
Not necessarily to prevent CE

[woven coyote]

Deimos was still in real space during the war (to the point they needed the biobomb)

And yonta left with the zariman (before the war)

Maybe it could be a lesser accepted theory, but unknown to euleria feels like a stretch

No yeah if both conceptual embodyment and eulerias classes were part of the school course there was no way she wouldnt know at least of it

[fast dew]

So. Maybe mother forgot..?

[woven coyote]

Maybe yeah

[fast dew]

This is so weird

[stiff beacon]

probable given she forgot her own name

[fast dew]

"I'm glad you never knew me as 'Euleria'. That name bore too many expectations of greatness."

Mm

DE try not to add lines that conflict with things challenge [^not related]

[woven coyote]

I mean we technically never knew her
We knew of her

Just a recording on the school tv

[fast dew]

I think. Its apart of the whole. Her parents only got together because of their genetic material being ideal to produce a particularly impressive child deal

Which. Looking back, makes sense

Roathe mentions it, kinda

How her potential was far more than her father's and all, due to. Gerivaine

[woven coyote]

Well after hearing all the stuff he pulled in the grimoire notes that might not be the highest bar

visionary nestawood into throws animals at the problem

As smart as albrecht is, he is still a bit of an idiot

[strange plinth]

-# those are the,, other way around
-# which is funnier i think

[woven coyote]

No that is the correct order

Well it was animals> drugs> more animals

Or if we go by pokemon terms

Animals> drugs> shiny animals

Like this is the thought process of the genius who discovered the void lol

[strange plinth]

mm, it is
thought the nestawood was later for some reason

[woven coyote]

Also
Albrecht that is not a mental ballast that is just a normal air ballast

Like please

[lean garden]

shrimple:

The existence of Wally as a threat and Duviri can be chalked up to a vastly unacademic application of everything she's ever known about the topic

[fast dew]

I can see the thought process

Which is the worst part

If thing mimics me, it could be forced to mimic something else

[lean garden]

The accidental "creation" of wally as a by product of an experiment to explore the void? scientific? sure. The continued fight against it afterwards? Strip the man of his PhD.

concepts taking shape in the void? scientific if deliberate. Made from a child's brain out of a highly destressing event? Strip the child of their PhD

[restive river]

Isn’t that specter particles?

[strange plinth]

mm, that makes sense

[woven coyote]

The norg bit is what kills me tho i cant erase the mental image of albrecht high as a kite looking at a norg and thinking "mental ballast" when it was just a ballast ballast

[fast dew]

Perhaps thats part of the tech behind it..? Smthn smthn void™

[woven coyote]

It was all air albrecht air!!

[fast dew]

Shh its cuz of the big brain
-# ignore that brain size might not have much to do with intelligence

[restive river]

I want to say they relate to the void but I unfortunately do not recall ):

[fast dew]

I hate that yall are the most active while im at college 💔 I could check but. COLLEGE

[woven coyote]

Woe timezones uppon ye

[fast dew]

Being Australian sucks.

[restive river]

You’re fairly active tbh

At least from where I’m sitting

[fast dew]

I have been cuz. I do not sleep a lot

[strange plinth]

-# this chat and the archives server seem most active while i'm asleep

[fast dew]

Its break rn

[restive river]

Ah

[fast dew]

Today I learned finding statistics about queer Australian youth is really really hard

But yes warframe

Albrecht is. An idiot

[restive river]

He’s really dumb

[fast dew]

Though im not sure he's. Behind the whole. Genetic golden child thing for Euleria

Even that's a bit. Too dumb for him

[strange plinth]

'a giant to battle giants' and then they're just kinda. around

[fast dew]

Hey they're just unfinished :(

[fiery rover]

can we fix the disconnecting issue everyone is getting kicked during missions

[fast dew]

And. This is lore..?

[woven coyote]

We probably cant fix it, no

[fast dew]

FACT. Albrecht Entrati is responsible for host migration./j

[strange plinth]

yea i'll go kick the servers one sec

[fast dew]

Get em grey

[woven coyote]

Nah it was ballas again

[fast dew]

Curses 💔

[woven coyote]

Remember to take a mop steve may have spilled coffee on em again

[fast dew]

Maybe not a mop, maybe paper towels...?

And. Cleaning fluid™

[cunning ore]

I suppose to be at work but my burn-out is killing me rn so i finally can chat or even check

[fast dew]

Make sure there's no coffee left. Idk how Steve likes it but if there's milk anywhere near the warm server racks it will curdle and get gross

[woven coyote]

I did open with how we probably cant fix it

[cunning ore]

🥺 ✨ booboobear

[strange plinth]

hm. do you think nihil intended for cephalons to be able to have physical forms at first
-# do not ask how my brain got here from the server complaint i do not know

[cunning ore]

Be the host, there it fixed.

[normal mountain]

Potentially
-# do not fear, my brain makes similar wild leaps

[cunning ore]

You only be kicked if it was a disband, aborting from host tho. So just be the host despite lag and other things.
Beside you can adjust the ping, lower it to 100ms make you 90% be the host

So it the trick

[cunning ore]

If that i can only image how Nihil being a Blender expert with polygons

[fast dew]

Crunchy... cephalon cereal..

[fast dew]

BEHSHAV THATS SIO TRUE

[strange plinth]

-# this is far funnier when i've considered using blender to make a cephalon pfp for myself

[fast dew]

[cunning ore]

Now it make me worried at why yall want to be glassed by Nihil

[fast dew]

Id flirt with him and. Id get just stabbed

Not even glassed

Just straight up stabbed

[cunning ore]

It was considered as the crulest punishment at that Orokin Era as ilr

[cunning ore]

[cunning ore]

You sussy void-slugger

[fast dew]

:33c

[cunning ore]

Yea on point, i think Nihil attract many people, like mostly i saw people liking him more than other Orokin

Just wonder why?

[fast dew]

Nah you'd find its either roach or ballas

Nihil isnt as jank looking

[strange plinth]

-# much like amir, i enjoy thinking about the positives of cephalonization more than the negatives
also i've been called a cephalon in this server before and i think its funny to lean into that

[glacial bough]

People absolutely are not liking Nihil more than others

[fast dew]

Most dont even know nihil

Wife....

WIFE!!!!!!

[normal mountain]

Cephalon Grey does have a nice ring to it

[cunning ore]

No, to me is Ballas. But from my big bro, who trying to find why i like Ballas, he said Nihil more handsome

[fast dew]

Because Nihil is objectively more handsome 😭 early ballas looked so jank

[cunning ore]

Yea he spent like 5 minutes for Nihil, and 15 seconds for other Orokin to try to direct my affection so

[cunning ore]

That cool honestly..

[glacial bough]

All of this is certainly a take of all time

[fast dew]

You gonna look at sacrifice ballas and then look at. Nihil and go ballas is prettier?

Mucking. Bluebrecht is better than ballas

Maybe this is just my type in men.

[cunning ore]

See my username? Yea, my big bro tried and here still, dunmo know even when Roathe came out

I doubt people have type for Ballas unless it a fame-farming

Or meme

[glacial bough]

Neither are pretty

[fast dew]

Thats a lie

The orokin are. Pretty

[glacial bough]

Thus my initial comment. It's not a hot take, but certainly a take

[cunning ore]

If they aren't pretty, there are not Orokin

We all know how an Orokin

[glacial bough]

Orokin standards of "pretty" are far removed from conventional views

[cunning ore]

Actually, it more sticking with the golden ratio in arts.

But arts nowaday far more dynamic and flexing in emotions. So to a race like Orokon, they would close to standard of Greek statue.

Maybe you are the type that like the mixed of chaos and imperfection?

[fast dew]

Mhm

They are very. Conventional with their appearance

[cunning ore]

I think it might be also the affect of how some feel a bit uncanny at Orokin but when they was imperfected, they liked them

[glacial bough]

This feels like reading into them a bit much. The hard facts we can say is that the Orokin valued vicious indulgence, hedonism, and "uniqueness".

[fast dew]

They value uniqueness but most known orokin fall into the same patterns

[stiff beacon]

huh kinda like wally and his obsession with unique hats

[glacial bough]

Thus the air quotes. I suppose it's more appropriately spiritually uniqueness than visual.

[humble sierra]

Does Voruna prime's item descriptions have lore on her being primed? Or am I stupid?

Like it almost sounds like she got primed after the events of her Leverian?

[glacial bough]

Hmm. There implication, but it's not solid

[stiff beacon]

maybe she got primed before but the dog heads became retro active for all voruna's after the one in the leverian drank the kuva

considering how the infestations memory works

[gray trench]

It's also fairly vague on who primed her, we know Ballas was thinking about it, but I'm not sure any of the descriptions say that's what happened

[ripe crest]

So are the drifter and operator fully connected now? It seems like the drifter has all of the operators memories and abilities?

[twin wigeon]

and then some

bc so far only drifter can rewind time

(+ some unscrupulous anomalous persons)

[lean garden]

memories? no, abilities? yea for the most part

[lean garden]

in select areas too mind you

not like the goober is going to rewind time in a random grineer galleon

[twin wigeon]

oh and drifter is better acquainted with melee combat + horse riding

[ripe crest]

Well there’s some dialogue about your time in Deimos when you’re talking to the Hex crew, but wouldn’t that be from the operators memory?

[lean garden]

which ones

[gray trench]

The drifter implies they visit the Sanctum on Deimos in dialogue with the Triad

As well they use the Dark Refractory to delve into Roathe's memories

[ripe crest]

There are some lines when you talk to Aoi too.

[ripe crest]

Hmm I see

[lean garden]

isnt that just about how everything the entrati deals with has skulls

you dont need spooky kid memories to see that

you just need eyes

[ripe crest]

I need to go back and look at the lines, but I think the drifter pretty much talks about himself being on Deimos

[strange plinth]

there's some stuff in the KIM chats that drifter shouldn't know
or they speak from first-person perspective when they weren't there

[ripe crest]

^

It’s all events from the operators side of things

[gray trench]

For what specifically?

[strange plinth]

i'll find examples, one moment

[fast dew]

Albrecht.. neci... thrax... whoever is on the throne..

[lean garden]

You need another moment? I think I got an extra one in the back

[strange plinth]

yea lol i don't remember specific wording so i'm going through a lot of convos

[fast dew]

[gray trench]

I'm gonna go to bed, but if you don't find anything it's all good, keep theorycrafting, no need to feel bad about a wrong hypothesis.

[lean garden]

if this helps

[rigid compass]

I just finished Whispers in the walls and im confused about the void entities. Is the man in the wall, the murmur and the indifference all the same thing or are they different?

[lean garden]

wally and the Indifference are the same things, the murmur are parts of them

[rigid compass]

So the indifference is just loid/albrechts name for the man in the wall and the murmur are the enemies that they control?

[lean garden]

in essence yes

[rigid compass]

Was gonna ask if the albrecht in the 1999 portion was the man in the wall since he seemed evil but good in the tapes but Ill just play hex soon so nvm

[fast dew]

Oh, yeah that smile part was wally warping the visual

[strange plinth]

i'm kinda wondering if i had thought that because of how much discussion there is about sentients
and the sentients being before the zariman was only concrete after these chats?

anyway drifter wasn't there for either of these quotes and they don't seem particularly important enough to be shared prior to this convo (lettie r5c7) /s

going to continue looking because i remember there being something weird with the entrati family or something involving rell? but i'm not sure

[twin wigeon]

"all is silent and calm, hushed and empty is the womb of the sky"

[fast dew]

Mm. Banger

[daring tusk]

Why do duviri weapons have no incarnon if theyre already void touched

[fast dew]

Wrong kind of void touched i think...?

Not every rectangle is a square but every square is a rectangle ykim

Not every voidborne weapon is an incarnon but every incarnon is a voidborne weapon

[strange plinth]

the zariman incarnons were ceremonial weapons that were CE'd into proper weapons

"These used to be museum fodder, ceremonial and all that golden piss talk. But now, real weapons. Void-touched, not fashion accessories, not conversation pieces. They are for killing."
incarnon genesis is cavalero thinking about the weapon a bunch and the void making it better
"Well, in my extensive downtime, I've been having thoughts about weapons. How I could upgrade 'em. Give 'em a sprinkle of Void magic. And guess what? The Void does what the Void does. Took my ideas and made them real. How about that."
the duviri weapons would already be CE'd as proper weapons and cavalero hasn't thought about them to improve them
-# dunno what's up with the sanctum incarnons

although thalys is an incarnon weapon so there's that

[fast dew]

As always, Grey being the best at lore

[strange plinth]

messed up a decent amount earlier but we'll ignore that

[fast dew]

She'll be right dw

[cunning ore]

I thought it different with its origin or its being manifested

[cunning ore]

He is a Cephalon 😔

[fast dew]

I like to think im good at. Explaining things in simple terms, Loid style

They are :)

[cunning ore]

You clearly Loid

[fast dew]

I aspire to be like him

[cunning ore]

Thomas, they cannot f--k

[fast dew]

Hes literally my dad-

NO HES MY DAD :(

[cunning ore]

That the point of being a mirror

So he cannot produce you in a way

[fast dew]

YES HE CAN YOU DONT KNOW THAT

[cunning ore]

Cephalon is alike magic miror

[fast dew]

MPREG

[cunning ore]

How?

https://tenor.com/view/the-evil-queen-la-méchante-reine-blanche-neige-snow-white-snow-white-classic-movie-gif-9772972695382287

How i think of Cephalon

[rare scarab]

i forgot, why did Wally want Ruselka again?

just mysterious reasons? i don’t remember what happened after the spider frame mission tbh

does wally still have Ruselka?

[strange plinth]

don't think there's a specific reason?
there's the 1999 arg + Along Came A Spider entries describing the process
yea, wally's still possessing rusalka atm

[rare scarab]

and than the triad or whatever show up after Drifter gives up and tells her parents right?

and thats how we got old peace

[cunning ore]

This you mean?

"Once upon a time... there was a little girl. Full of envy, she took what she didn't have. Feared everything around her and was afraid of death. Sad as she watched people fighting, lying, and her parents drifting apart. Joyed at making dancing puppets. And finally angered as she hurt others and was hurt in return.

And along came a spider who told her that he could eat everything all up for her.

But each time she turned the spider away. She let go of envy by clinging to her favorite toy and family, hid fear in the arms of strangers, turned away from sadness to happiness, turned away from joy to war, and finally turned away from war... until she realized she had nothing else left.

The spider smiled... and he ate her all up."

[strange plinth]

mhm, that's the first thread

[strange plinth]

yea, the stuff with min/vel would happen before the triad shows up, i think

[cunning ore]

Grey, was it possible that Rusalka have some same experiences like Tenno used to have? I mean the similar but different situation?

[rare scarab]

Wallka gonna show up rulings the sentients at Modern time Tau 🤔

[cunning ore]

The story to me quite close to Tenno's experience during the Zariman incident to me ngl

But it like the different type

Just in sense

[rare scarab]

did Wally write this lore wise?

Could Ruselka be considered a Proto-Tenno? lol

[cunning ore]

It in the Along Came A Spider tho and i haven't read it so no clue. But highly possible it would be Neci telling her story

[strange plinth]

with the voices? maybe
Along Came A Spider could be describing that, in a way
though the voices seem tied to a deal, and rusalka's deal was possession
the situation around the deal is similar, though. dangerous situation that an exact copy of yourself shows up to save you from

"I was dying all along, did you know that? Dying from the poison I sucked down to kill the Techrot in my lungs. Until it held out my own severed hand to me… and offered me life."

"You really want me to spit this body out? With how chewed up she is?"

[cunning ore]

Not sure, the sense it just from me feeling that it somehow quite similar with Zariman experience of The Drifter

[strange plinth]

ehh, no
she doesn't seem to have gained void powers through her deal, just became a vessel for it
in exchange for continued life, it seems

[cunning ore]

With voices, with the story in fragment of that Along Came A Spider

[cunning ore]

Albrecht also gain no void power? Or he just too good in void-tech that i mistook it?

[strange plinth]

albrecht never made a deal, he was offered a hand and ran from it

[rare scarab]

Thats just a different warlock deal

[cunning ore]

Maybe Wally want at Rusalka's was the same as Tenno/Drifter's

Currently i know that Wally really like Operator/Drifter and how he chose to possess Rusalka is a theocraft i feel possible

[rare scarab]

is the situation where he saves her while she is cornered supposed to parallel the crazy parents with Tenno?

[cunning ore]

No, the situation i mean that it those cutscene story of Drifter about time being locked up in Zariman

[rare scarab]

don’t really remember the locked up in zariman part

[cunning ore]

"Sad as she watched people fighting, lying and her parents drifting apart"

"Joyed at making dancing puppets" the coping that making up the Duviri, Thraxx is a puppet

[cunning ore]

It in The Duviri Paradox

[strange plinth]

mm, the threads do follow the duviri spirals

iirc sorrow and fear are swapped but the others are correct

[strange plinth]

there's that piece in duviri paradox that shows thrax's hand crawling out of the floor?
but i think that gets retold later in the KIM chats as just the drifter hiding away from void angels when they CE'd duviri

[cunning ore]

Yea The Drifter was hiding, the cutscene of they handing on their head and seemed like..it started

The deal, have something that unsettled me. A deal often made like a trade but different in term.
A deal is the one with both sides are equals, as it gave each sides permission to access further than a trade.
A trade indeed limited in the access and permission. And it more detailed so clearly there no fraud if it made up.

And i was yapping tho/

[tall echo]

afaik a deal is usually less equal than a trade

[somber beacon]

How many deals with Wally are known? So far we have Rusalka (Saving her live), Baro (Bridging the Multiverse aka Crossplay) and Operator/Drifter ('I can save them')... a friend of mine also thinks Wally IS Nora, but I think it's more likely they have a Deal (her being heard by all) than her BEING Wally.

Also it always seems like his deals are almost Faustian Bargains, where one may get their wish, but with very bad/unforseen side-effects.

I still wonder about Wally's Appearance at the end of New War, the disappearance of Ballas Body afterwards and whether Wally did maybe trade/made a deal with Lotus at that moment...

[humble sierra]

There's nothing that really suggests Nora made a deal, she just hosts a radio station

[strange plinth]

it also seems like his deals require the handshake, so i'm not sure about lotus making a deal there
-# or at all

[pale cedar]

Lotus didn’t make a deal Wally just came in spoke his language then left

Shouldn’t try making it more than it is

[somber beacon]

Fair, but Lotus struggled with saving the system, then Wally appears and it just... works.

[fast dew]

Youd know

[pale cedar]

Huh?

[fast dew]

A deal requires a handshake :)

[pale cedar]

Wdym saving the system?

[somber beacon]

Sentient ship was eating the Sun to travel to Tau did it not?

[strange plinth]

wally left on his own there i believe
and its not like he disappeared entirely, because the murmur start acting up right after that

[fast dew]

Mhm

[pale cedar]

Lotus wasn’t even trying to save the system in that moment she just wanted to kill Ballas

[somber beacon]

After ballas was... sucked.

[fast dew]

Pushing wally away might’ve had something to do with. Void exposure?

[somber beacon]

But Lotus shouldn't be able to channel Void, as she's a sentient and it's poison for them?

[fast dew]

No, not at all

She was blocking it, once again

And wally cannot stay out of the void for long periods at a time

[pale cedar]

She didn’t even push Wally away in the moment because Wally didn’t even attack

[fast dew]

I. Believe him showing that very large wall form took a lot of energy, possibly rushing himself to go back

[strange plinth]

he approached rapidly
and then stopped

[pale cedar]

Then left

People assuming it’s more than what we see just doesn’t make sense

[fast dew]

Sometimes things are. Straightforward

[pale cedar]

Yeah

And the whole Ballas disappeared thing is legit it just focusing on the next scene

It wasn’t important to show Ballas dead on the floor while all that was going on

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn object permanence

[strange plinth]

canon issues with object permanence /s

[zenith ore]

This got me wandering, was he ever alone? The ||indifference|| didn't save him in that time line, none did. That, include the other kids, what happened to them? The other tennos?

[tall echo]

"I saved them. never said I'd save you"

[pale cedar]

“I saved them all of them never said I’d save you”

[zenith ore]

Who said this

[pale cedar]

Wally

[tall echo]

wally, through a tablet in duviri

[zenith ore]

Oh shi

So he saved em all except the drifter?

[pale cedar]

As the deal stated, yeah

[strange plinth]

Drifter: I was all alone. I guess the other kids were dead, or rescued. I’m kind of hazy on the details.
eleanor r4c5
in addition to the other quote

[pale cedar]

It created a split

[zenith ore]

Was there a reason for this?

[tall echo]

no

[zenith ore]

[pale cedar]

Ask Wally

[tall echo]

wally is just an-

[strange plinth]

wally deciding to be silly with semantics, mostly
there's an isleweaver line that's relevant i think

[zenith ore]

I'm listening

[strange plinth]

"Two identical souls raised in such different environments. Haven't you figured it out yet? [laughs] You're fascinating."

[zenith ore]

This definitely talk about the 2 of em

[pale cedar]

I wonder what we haven’t figured out

[zenith ore]

Everything perhaps, there are a lot of stuff that are still hidden and yet to be known

[pale cedar]

I still think we already have the other side of the deal

Just not what Wally sees as the other side

I think it is whatever Wally sees as “our light”

[fast dew]

Ascloid...

ASCLOID!!!!!!!!

[pale cedar]

Time to Asc Loid lore questions

[fast dew]

Its a pretty rudimentary system and. Not really an engine

But i think its cute :)

Albrecht leaving bits of Loid throughout history

God they're so gay it sickens me

[pale cedar]

Should just have it upgraded

Have it store all of Albrecht’s lore knowledge

All of Loids

All of Mothers

All of Orokin knowledge

I still wanna know who updates the PC in the labs because it is out of date

[strange turtle]

The Becketarium

[pale cedar]

It’s missing like 3-4 quests of lore

[strange plinth]

oh yea i forgot i had an idea about this
the cosmic clock that got crumbled at the start of whispers
based solely on when it stops updating and the clan dojo decoration description
“A very large Entrati clock that tracks infinite moments through timespace.”

[pale cedar]

Damn
We broke the lore

Dw
You’ve got me instead

[fast dew]

I like this idea :)

Dojo items providing the most random bits of lore

Ohh i should check voruna prices rn

[pale cedar]

Community server legit tried to call me a liar when I mentioned we broke the clock

[fast dew]

Whuh.

[pale cedar]

Media comprehension was low in those people

[fast dew]

Median price is. 160 plat

[pale cedar]

I don’t have the relics for her yet

[tall echo]

yea?

she released yesterday her prices are gonna be high

[fast dew]

Yk its actually. Interesting

I aint shocked, I knew that

Im just interested in the fact shit dropped by almost 100 plat over the last... 24 hours?

Mm. Supply and demand

[pale cedar]

The shocking thing is it’s 160
I was expecting 200+

[fast dew]

It was for a while, lookin at the stats

[pale cedar]

Entrati
Save us

[stiff fable]

it'll be double digits by Friday

especially since Baro's coming back

[pale cedar]

Hasn’t he just been?

[strange plinth]

compensation for iOS outage

[fast dew]

Its an interesting price variance actually

Why did it randomly go back up lol

[tall echo]

nemesis doesn't keep up with the (wf) news

[pale cedar]

Let IOS users suffer
Yes I’m evil

[fast dew]

Means. More loid floofs >:)

[tall echo]

they're already suffering from their choice of platform

[pale cedar]

Honestly don’t get how any mobile player can handle playing on mobile

[fast dew]

iOS isnt just mobile is it? Dont it include folk on Macbooks n shit?

God I just hate apple

It has its uses yes

But christ on a stick why must it be

So... forceful with who repairs it

[pale cedar]

I tried it on mobile once and it was hard

[tall echo]

because they can jack up the prices

[radiant pier]

@fast dew yo

why do these confession options keep popping up

[fast dew]

Heh

With who?

[radiant pier]

I'm already "dating" someone, no?

[fast dew]

Wholly depends on who

[radiant pier]

uh Marie, Lyon

[tall echo]

only you can tell for sure mate

[radiant pier]

pretty sure I saw one for Roathe

[fast dew]

Yeah you can date two at a time

[radiant pier]

oh

[fast dew]

One hex one triad

[radiant pier]

any consequences?

[tall echo]

ohot

[fast dew]

Dont do any of Marie's.

[tall echo]

bad writing

[radiant pier]

oh why?

[fast dew]

Bad idea.

[fast dew]

You screw her entire chat up :)

[radiant pier]

the options just kept popping up, at first I was like "ohhh"

but now it's like....basically appearing for everyone?

even the hex gang

[pale cedar]

It’s funny how people try dating Marie after just having a massive argument with her

[radiant pier]

are there any special dialogues that happen when you confess to another member of the same place while you're already dating someone?

[strange turtle]

They call you out

[radiant pier]

or does it just overwrite the status

[strange plinth]

just means its an option, you've reached the right chemistry ranks for it

[radiant pier]

okay that's cool

[radiant pier]

I feel like tryna date someone whose worldview just got drastically changed is....weird

[humble sierra]

With the sole exception of @humble sierra of course

[radiant pier]

feels manipulative ain't gon' lie

[humble sierra]

You would be correct

[fast dew]

Shes purposefully done in a way that if you agree with her on Albrecht too much [among other things] she'll eventually call you out for lying :)

[radiant pier]

okay that's good

[fast dew]

And you'll fail her thing so

[radiant pier]

cuz I've been calling her out

[humble sierra]

Trying to confess to her and admit that you were lying about being religious and/or liking Entrati just to date her will have her call you out and block you

[pale cedar]

You can still salvage that luckily

[tall echo]

[fast dew]

<- me i almost did too much

[strange plinth]

with the sole exception of arkadia, yes
why does arkadia get the real polycule but the rest of us get cheating into open relationships

[radiant pier]

pardon me

[fast dew]

Exactly im jealous!/j

Arkadia got a weird bug where they were able to date roathe and lyon at once

[radiant pier]

is there some glitch or something or am i being messed with

[tall echo]

the universe knew that arkadia would feel the need to mention it every time

[humble sierra]

I'll be breaking up with Roathe soon once I get his last captura date scene

[strange plinth]

arkadia's bugged somehow and is dating 2 or 3 of the triad at once

[radiant pier]

how the hell

[humble sierra]

Then returning to Marie. If I still have Roathe and Lyon...

I'm never resetting

[pale cedar]

He might kill you for this

[radiant pier]

greedy ass

[fast dew]

Nawh its nice

[radiant pier]

GREEDY ASS

[fast dew]

Too bad I don't like marie and lyon

[radiant pier]

why don't u like lyon

[fast dew]

LYON. I MEAN ROATHE

Read lyon and typed lyon instead of. Roathe

[radiant pier]

I was about to commit unspeakable acts of "annihilate that direction" on u ngl

[tall echo]

why not do it anyways

[fast dew]

Dawg whuh

[pale cedar]

I actually remember seeing someone manage to date Amir and I think Quincy and get them to loved but can’t remember who the second one was but they said only Amir moved in

[tall echo]

gotta use the spell slots for something

[humble sierra]

If they worked the same way, I'd be breaking up with and collecting each Hex member too

[tall echo]

excluding arthur and lettie of course

[humble sierra]

Lore wise yes

[fast dew]

Damn didn't know you had that game

[humble sierra]

Greedwise no

[pale cedar]

DE should add going on dates to Hex

[tall echo]

didn't they say they might

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[humble sierra]

Yeah they were experimenting with the Triad

[pale cedar]

But there’s might and then there is doing

[humble sierra]

I guess the issue would maybe be getting everyone to record new lines

Amelia and Ben Starr likely are the most accessible to DE?

[pale cedar]

I feel that’s the easiest part

Ben for example will do anything if paid enough

[humble sierra]

Kevin's Mario so he might be locked somewhere in Nintendo HQ

[tall echo]

just make ben voice the dating lines for all 6

[pale cedar]

Imagine they added Drifter dating voice lines

We only hear one side

[humble sierra]

[||muffled submissive barking||]— a drifter dating Lettie

[fast dew]

WOAH

https://tenor.com/view/bingus-hairless-cat-meme-funny-fall-down-gif-655027121898683540

[tall echo]

nah

[fast dew]

Yeah thats on point for lettie

[pale cedar]

Is that Kalymos as a kitten?

[fast dew]

I imagine so, if she was. Grey

Which is a colour those types of cats can come in

[tall echo]

as a kitten kalymos was actually bright green

[pale cedar]

Maybe Albrecht just did some modification

[fast dew]

Kavats just come in peculiar colours

[tall echo]

always remember cataclysm

[pale cedar]

I wanna see Kalymos vs Coda

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-bnp-better-name-pending-cataclysm-kavat-gif-17500800

[pale cedar]

Surely she can just eat a Coda to death

Think Kalymos has blue eyes from Void exposure?

[drowsy saddle]

She can't, Albrecht installed evasive posture

[pale cedar]

Isn’t it Elusive Posture?

[drowsy saddle]

Potato tomato

[pale cedar]

I’m gonna pull out the spud gun on you

[tall echo]

totamo motapo

[drowsy saddle]

I have a coconut gun

It fires in spurts

[pale cedar]

Fine
Ill throw Scrap at you

Scrap
Go get this man

[drowsy saddle]

You'll never catch me alive copper!

[hollow ridge]

What’s the blue center of plat?

[humble sierra]

Seems like some sort of Corpus icon

[dark compass]

Blueberry jam

[drowsy saddle]

Anti forgery tech probably

Like how real paper money has security measures built in

[humble sierra]

Or like iconography on coins

[drowsy saddle]

Boffum

[pale cedar]

I wonder if credits has anti forgery tech

[drowsy saddle]

Like how Indonesia rupiah has famous figures hidden in the paper as security

[celest needle]

How does the circuit work lore wise?

[drowsy saddle]

There probably is, but doesn't work against void powers or chroma

[pale cedar]

Isn’t it true a printer has built in anti money forgery irl

[dark compass]

Wait no

Wrong quest

Wrong mode

I'm going to cry

[strange plinth]

it uhh
probably doesn't
maybe through CE or something

[drowsy saddle]

Built in the OS, it'll check if you're trying to print money and say nah

Not surprising considering they can even tell if you tried to use fake ink

[celest needle]

https://tenor.com/view/your-actions-will-be-forgiven-unicouni-uni-your-actions-will-never-be-forgiven-smuko-gif-4120160589329466830