lore-discussion

[pale cedar]

Vor has key armour

[tall echo]

who we both don't know the actual ages of

[smoky gulch]

They are said by lore to replace their organs with either freshly cloned ones or, having lived long enough, cyber prosthetics

Letting them live way longer lives

[tall echo]

and you also picked the two high ranking grineer that we canonically kill

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, because if it's a named enemy grineer, they are bound to die sooner or later

[tall echo]

vay hek, the rathuum one.... uhh.....

[pale cedar]

Vay Heck flies away

[tall echo]

yes

[midnight ice]

worm queen ☝️ 🤓

[slender needle]

were the Orokin money hungry at all?

[pale cedar]

Probably not later on considering they were already rich

[midnight ice]

they're richer than god, if anyone's money hungry is the corpus

[pale cedar]

It’s harder to be money hungry when you run the entire economy

[dark compass]

"I'm the oldest Grineer short of the queens, I'm 60 years old"

[fast dew]

Parvos.. convincing ballas to make protea .

[dark compass]

Parvos sending Ballas a message asking if he takes commissions

And shows his amazing and epic oc sheets

[pale cedar]

I think he only agreed so Parvos would stop blowing his frames up

[fast dew]

Ngl id do that if the oc looked cool enough

[smoky gulch]

Grineer are all clones from a genetic pool of 'Originals'. They are able to extend their lifespans with recycled cloned parts, but their genetic material has degraded over time, and haphazard repairs have made many of them look oddly deformed and susceptible to skin diseases. Through decades of service, many of the Grineer elite can cover the expense to have flawed organic parts replaced with cybernetic augmentations. I do wonder how long they can expand themselves

[dark compass]

"she's the most popular member of the prime vanguard and Mesa has a crush on her, she can shield allies but also hurt enemies with her multifunctional bombs and she also controls time and gives everyone free resources because everyone deserves a chance at success (as long as they aren't opposing Parvos)"

[tall echo]

vor was probably at the furthest end considering he was almost 99% machine

[narrow pendant]

wow one entire year time!

[dark compass]

Did he really have to smoke the pipe prime

[tall echo]

yes that's his whole thing, having orokin things

which in hindsight is no longer that impressive

[pale cedar]

Was impressive till we saw Orokin

[slender needle]

courts definitely exist right?

[stiff fable]

Yeah but it's up to every individual society how they handle them

[slender needle]

okay thank you

[stiff fable]

Most Grineer courts are going to be military tribunals, while Corpus ones tend to levy fines or consign you to debtors prison

[fast dew]

THEY DID IT AGAIN

😭

[narrow pendant]

reminds me of the video ive been avoiding bc it literally has her correct spelling in the thumbnail but the title uses Vorunna

[slender needle]

what about orokin

[loud oriole]

usb thumbdrive or a meatsuit for the tenno to control

[stiff fable]

They're dead so they don't have courts by default

[slender needle]

but say they did

[stiff fable]

But when they weren't dead, the Seven Executors were actually the head of their JUDICIAL branch

They turned the Emperors into puppets and ran the whole thing

[slender needle]

would you say they made cases one sided?

[stiff fable]

From what little we know very few cases reached them

They isolated themselves from the normal caseload and only oversaw cases that were part of their ritual duties

[slender needle]

what would make a case have such importance to them then

[stiff fable]

The Orokin's best scientists had to do periodic presentations of their work, and if they did something that the Orokin didn't like they could be sentenced to death

[fast dew]

Basically only executions required all of them

[stiff fable]

Sentences were carried out immediately but required a full consensus of the seven

[fast dew]

A lot of lesser punishments were probably handed off to others

Not nihil. That was a really bad punishment

[slender needle]

hmmm

[stiff fable]

Part of being Orokin was that you were given massive leeway to use or abuse your privileges

The only case we have of an Orokin being on trial is Roathe

[pale cedar]

There’s also seven of them so it can never be 3 for 3 against in the end

[fast dew]

Which is the artificial role ballas holds

[slender needle]

hmmm

[stiff fable]

So basically the Seven oversaw trials for crimes against the state committed by high ranking officials

[fast dew]

Yeah like. Whoever Gara was lol

[stiff fable]

Gara was at most a Dax

[slender needle]

Lore : For lore, he was a comic artist who was known across galaxies for how good his story telling and art was, which his art was used to denounce Orokin judges in court for their unfair trials

thoughts?

[fast dew]

Nihil moment™

[stiff fable]

Well uh there aren't any galaxies in Warframe

[pale cedar]

I wonder how an Orokin can even be banished from the Orokin if Orokin run the whole system

[stiff fable]

I mean the whole empire was confined to the solar system

[fast dew]

Nihil insisting on getting her glassed was still brought up to at the very least ballas

Like it could just be nihil

[stiff fable]

Pretty sure it's because she volunteered in public

And made all the Orokin look like cowards

[pale cedar]

What’s wrong with doing that?

[fast dew]

Which. Still lead to Nihil dragging himself to the. Galleries was it? To the seven to pitch his case to the seven

[slender needle]

yeah but it's possible to believe there are galaxies

[pale cedar]

I don’t see how just saying “Warframe me” in front of Orokin would make the Orokin look like cowards

[slender needle]

how do they "Warframe" you

[stiff fable]

Shove you in a chair and infest you

[fast dew]

Ever played the sacrifice?

[slender needle]

a while ago

[pale cedar]

There is a galaxy the same galaxy we’re in irl

We’re in a System that’s in a galaxy

[stiff fable]

Along with certain genetic or maybe surgical modifications to make sure you come out with the powers they want

[slender needle]

so they basically reconstruct you

like surgery?

[tall echo]

no

[pale cedar]

No, they infest you

[slender needle]

with infested?

[stiff fable]

The infestation does kinda have that effect

[pale cedar]

With Helminth

Strain

[slender needle]

but how do you get specific powers from the infested, or do we not know

[stiff fable]

You stop being human and are connected to a hivemind that wears away at your memories and personality

[pale cedar]

They don’t stop being human

Otherwise our therapy wouldn’t work

[stiff fable]

As far as we know it's the concept they're built towards. Ever heard the saying "form defines function"?

[slender needle]

no I live under a rock

[tall echo]

we don't know exactly but the design is connected to the powers

[stiff fable]

You edit the infestation to make it transform people into an armored monkey with a big stick

[tall echo]

mirage prime twisted the design and got different powers

[slender needle]

so could it kinda be like programming?

[stiff fable]

When Void Devilry™ is added, you get a Warframe with the powers of Sun Wukong

Or you build a Warframe strain that turns people into a chicken phoenix and get Ember

[glacial bough]

It is programming, yes. The subject can affect the final result but frames in general are fully predesigned

[stiff fable]

The Void manifests things based on feelings and unconscious thoughts

[slender needle]

okay, so back to courts, Orokin has courts, but only the "severe/important" ones got to them, which usually just ended in execution?

[stiff fable]

Something like that.

[glacial bough]

We just only hear of things the Seven presided over

[stiff fable]

But it has to be a threat to their entire existence to get their attention

[slender needle]

what could've been a threat

[stiff fable]

Because like I said they were the ones running the empire, so they spent most of their time on abusing their privileges that

[glacial bough]

Not really, it just has to break the rules

[stiff fable]

A plan to kill every last Orokin

[proper barn]

The archimedians had a seemingly yearly like audit in what they where doing by the 7 if they hated it they would blast you.

[stiff fable]

That's the only thing that forced them to meet outside of their regularly scheduled pass/fail business

[slender needle]

hmmm

[glacial bough]

There's no prerequisite for the Seven to see a case, they judge over anything that comes there way

[stiff fable]

Like I said though, they're just the head of the branch

[slender needle]

what did y'all think on my lore though?

[proper barn]

The archimedian thing is a thing we know existed as a thing they all did.

Every year or so yonta says so.

[stiff fable]

I don't think you need them to go on trial for that

Ballas was the one running the Warframe program and he had a shocking amount of leeway in it

[pale cedar]

"There will never be another Archimedean symposium. No more waiting, petrified to find out if it's you the Golden Lords are singling out this time."

[slender needle]

well I just wanted to make sure my lore could be believable if it becomes true or canon

[proper barn]

I mean there where rebels the orokin weren't able to capture really. Or they dealt wit them in other ways.

[stiff fable]

So he could have been passing by, seen something he didn't like, and had them black bagged and inducted into the program

[proper barn]

Like um Javai.

[glacial bough]

The Seven were a judiciary body, but more in the way of a senate than supreme court

[proper barn]

Also they have turned people into warframes as punishment before.

[stiff fable]

Heck, the Orokin Warframe'd people who they LIKED at first

[proper barn]

Like jade and stalker.

[stiff fable]

Dagath

[slender needle]

I try my best to make lore a part of story, even if it isn't, if you get what I mean

[proper barn]

Yee.

[stiff fable]

I'd say it might not be super important tbh

95% of Warframed don't have origin stories

[slender needle]

I like making them though, adds more depth

gives the character life

[stiff fable]

That's just it, most of their back stories are "they were part of the Warframe program and did X"

[slender needle]

which is bleh

[stiff fable]

Where X is the important part

[glacial bough]

Speaking out against the Seven is pretty much just gonna be death than anything else

[slender needle]

which is why I haven't gotten to how he was made a frame yet

and I'm thinking of how to make that be

like some sort of case where they punished instead of killing, almost eternal damnation, like umbra in a sense

[glacial bough]

Main reason that would happen is for irony

[slender needle]

that's what I was thinking, they made him a cartoon

[glacial bough]

i.e. Yareli and sort of Gara

[slender needle]

what was the reason for punishing umbra?

[glacial bough]

Ballas did that individually, to keep him from spilling his betrayal and make him suffer with one memoy

[slender needle]

was Ballas one of the big ones in the 7?

[glacial bough]

He was one of them yes, but Umbra is an outlier

[misty helm]

Apparently Nitokh wasn't the only one conspiring with the Sentients to screw the Empire; Ballas slipped information to Hunhow and Umbra/Whatever his name was, found out and apparently may have tried to expose him.

[drifting lintel]

it wasn't always as punishment. several frames were made from ballas just grabbing someone and injecting the latest strain into them.

the ones we know were punishments are umbra, stalker, jade, kullervo, and maybe some others im not remembering

[olive salmon]

I would be surprised if any of the Seven weren’t secretly communicating with the Sentients to attempt to gain the upper hand over the rest.

It’s just the way of the Orokin, after all.

[tall echo]

kullervo isn't entirely certain is it

[drifting lintel]

im pretty sure he was a warframe before falling into duviri

[tall echo]

yes

[drifting lintel]

and his whole thing is being the falsely accused

[misty helm]

Yeah. I personally think the war with the sentients may have started by Orokin hand too. Roathe even said it himself, the war seemed to magically unify the Empire under a common threat; suddenly everbody started working against the brand new "enemy".

[drifting lintel]

logically .... he was made into a warframe as a punishment

[tall echo]

but it's not confirmed

[drifting lintel]

just like infinite vs 10 timelines dying

heavily implied, and makes the most sense narratively, but there's some wiggle room of if it's true or not.

[misty helm]

If that were true, then it wouldn't surprise me that Nitokh or somebody else planned the Night of the Naga Drums and planted the seeds of rebellion on the Tenno on purpose, so the Empire could finally fall.

[tall echo]

just trying to make sure since it's generally a very loretuber thing to state things as fact when they're not confirmed

[drifting lintel]

I only say it that way because the narrative flows more obviously in that direction.

kullervo not being made into a warframe as punishment, and only 10 timelines dying would be ... weird to say the least.

[dire current]

In before Ballas had been the mastermind again

[tall echo]

point still stands

[olive salmon]

See, if Mother was intentionally designing the childhood indoctrination simulator to ascertain which children would be able to go on and control their emotions well enough to use the Void and control Warframes, it would make sense to stick a Warframe into the simulation, right? And, knowing the children have to form a bond with the Warframe to do so, the entire Seven Crimes of Kullervo could have been part of the script, in addition to the Executor character reinforcing the Orokin Social Construct.

[drifting lintel]

sorry she wat?

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/lego-batman-lego-batman-movie-sorry-what-are-you-talking-about-literally-have-no-idea-gif-7250043

[olive salmon]

Well, it was the simulation Mother designed for the children to gain emotional control, in the most Orokin manner possible, wasn’t it? And, it was geared towards the Entrati family’s quest to conquer the Void, utilizing it for science and the overarching Orokin society, right?

[tall echo]

no

tales of duviri was a storybook

[drifting lintel]

no the zaramin was a project headed by an executor who wanted to use it to teleport to tau

[tall echo]

the place was created unintentionally by the drifter based on the book

[misty helm]

The book was used as a tool to teach the kids about emotional control and such, but it wasn't designed by her. If I recall correctly, it was inspired by the stories Albretch used to tell to her

[tall echo]

yes

[drifting lintel]

altho I do remember drifer saying something about it being slightly more than control...

[civic token]

Hey, weird question maybe, but do we know the age range of the kids that where on the ten zero? Like, where teens affected?

[tall echo]

we do not

[drifting lintel]

they look like teens but that's all we get

[pale cedar]

Warframe never gives us ages of anything

They barely even give us dates

[stiff fable]

It actually was his plan with Hunhow, yes

[tall echo]

hey, we do have 9 dates already

[pale cedar]

True

[drifting lintel]

do we count the kim birthdays?

[tall echo]

you missed the joke

[drifting lintel]

I thought the kim birthdays would actually bump it up a little

lol

[pale cedar]

Ballas reprogrammed Natah which led to us believing her idea of rebelling which was actually Ballas’ plan

[misty helm]

That's a pandora box right there; when we shook Wally's hand... which was the defining factor for "kids"? Did Wally went and started looking at the Orokin laws and found out which age groups constituted "kids" legally? /s*

[tall echo]

still missing the joke

hint, what do you call it when you get in a relationship with someone

aside from possibly a mistake

[drifting lintel]

I've not paid attention enough, do the devils triad not have birthdays on the chart?

[misty helm]

https://tenor.com/view/sherlock-benedict-cumberbatch-sherlocked-sherlock-holmes-gif-7521721

[tall echo]

DATING

[drifting lintel]

oh...

[misty helm]

Plans within the plans within the plans

[tall echo]

it's a joke about dating

my puns are too complicated

tbh even my teachers used to tell me that

[pale cedar]

I understood someone would say it when I said the word dates

[drifting lintel]

I was finishing my thought, I noticed before you yelled it

[tall echo]

someone meaning me

[pale cedar]

I was honestly expecting Scrap to be the first to say it don't know why though

[drifting lintel]

hunhow agreed to that?

[pale cedar]

It brought him what he wanted at the time

He wanted dead Orokin

[drifting lintel]

I thought lotus just did that shit herself to spy on ballas and then grew to love the tenno

[misty helm]

Yeah, we also get to know on the New War, that Hunhow got outplayed by Ballas there too

Ballas used everybody

[pale cedar]

She was programmed to love us too part of the Margulis programming

[misty helm]

"Check this 210 IQ Komi play"

[drifting lintel]

which is funny because both hunhow and ballas wanted the kids dead

[pale cedar]

It's funny how people ask if we are the only Tenno when multiple have been shown before

[tall echo]

well you see, people don't pay attention when there's no jingle jangle jingle keys

or spurs idk

[misty helm]

Like that Yamcha-piloted Rhino that Khal got the Corinth Prime from during the New War

[drifting lintel]

I had always thought she wasnt reprogrammed.
She took on traits of margulis to spy on people (she was a mimic)
She used the tenno to kill the other orokin (something all three wanted)
She grew attatched to them and saw them as her own kids (since she was made barren by the void)

[tall echo]

reminder that the plains were covered in a phorix field which disables transference

[drifting lintel]

yeah he just fell over lol. he aint dead he just empty

[pale cedar]

Or Old War cinematic where you see 7 children beam Erra and other Tenno controlling frames above

[restive river]

Wait they were

[tall echo]

people make fun of the rhino when it wasn't actually dead

[tall echo]

...yes

[restive river]

WAIT WHAT

[drifting lintel]

he just empty

[tall echo]

condrixes emit anti-transference fields

[restive river]

I think this maybe just didn’t click LOL

Yeah that would do it lol

If there’s any dead frames we should make fun of it’s the loki from the second dream and the host of frames in Stalker’s den
Especially the Equinox Prime

[drifting lintel]

yeah the thing we were trying to blow up as khal that thing the thing that was the big target

[tall echo]

it's why we had to take the quills entrance and couldn't gung ho with our warframe over to the unum

[restive river]

OH RIGHT

[pale cedar]

Weird how that Orphix field didn't act like how it does in Orphix missions

[restive river]

Though that wasn’t why he wanted to blow it up

[drifting lintel]

it was really ... really big

[pale cedar]

New War field just knocked the frame out while in mission we’re just forced into Operator mode

[drifting lintel]

It was also blowing up ships

[drifting lintel]

That rino wasn't the main character.

That tenno was back on the moon in his pod

[restive river]

Yeah, my point is he wasn’t trying to blow it up for the Tenno lol

[pale cedar]

Or in Orbiter because Moon stopped being safe

[drifting lintel]

Well yeah but they wouldn't have been having so much trouble if the field was down

[strange turtle]

Aren’t A and O like, nowhere near each other on physical keyboards?

[drifting lintel]

Either way they were transferring from a chair or pod. So they just lose connection like it's a drone.

[drifting lintel]

Maybe it's a case of brain autocomplete
Her name starts with Vore

[fast dew]

Yeah, no clue how they keep on doing it

[pale cedar]

A and O are basically on opposite sides of a keyboard

[drifting lintel]

Phonetically it sounds like vore una

[pale cedar]

Why did Vor and Runa team up anyway?

What is Worm Queen planning?

[restive river]

@fast dew are you going back for round 2?

[pulsar pendant]

isn't he normally smiling?

[fast dew]

Varuna...

[fast dew]

Uhh round 2 of what-

[restive river]

Loid floof!

[fast dew]

Shit maybe

[restive river]

DE’s so goated he’s coming back again

[fast dew]

I need like

[drifting lintel]

When you say it out loud do you say vor or var?

[restive river]

And then he’ll be back again the week after!
But
In cephalon(?) form

[pale cedar]

Thomas have you made Loid floof kiss Albrecht yet

[fast dew]

750 ducats...

[fast dew]

Varuna tbh

[restive river]

She should be Vore-une-uh
Cause
Gore and she eats people
But ik sometimes I saw Var instead

[restive river]

Did you see that video too?

[drifting lintel]

That's how it's pronounced, and that's why the devs keep misspelling it

[fast dew]

THERES A VIDEO

WHAT

[restive river]

Frame names never have exact ways to pronounce them tbh

Gauss alone LOL

[restive river]

I think it was in the new sabuuchi video
Not
The one about the ink gun

[pale cedar]

https://youtu.be/A4B5WjQPCHE?si=-84UIm2cPWq1lPAU

[restive river]

Yeah you watched the video LOL

[fast dew]

Yee rel ee for yareli

[pale cedar]

I told Thomas he should do it

[restive river]

Gauss is partly based on a real dude and the devs still fumbled on his name lol

[restive river]

He needs to make a gif of it

[normal mountain]

Kullervo understands this pain

[fast dew]

Peak

[pale cedar]

Did you see it yet Thomas?

[fast dew]

Too me a bit to go through the video but

Peak

[pale cedar]

It's only 4 mins in

[fast dew]

I should prop the tales of Duviri up against one of the Loid's

[tall echo]

how many frame names based on real people are getting messed up by devs

[restive river]

Once you get past his sense of humor that’s most of his videos

[restive river]

Dante and Jade were safe I think

[tall echo]

no dantay?

[misty helm]

Donte

[tall echo]

how would they even mispronounce jade

[pale cedar]

Are you trying to make it the Tales of Loid?

[normal mountain]

Simple
Forget the rule of silent e

[restive river]

Jay-dee?

[normal mountain]

Jad

[restive river]

Jad

[tall echo]

ok that'd be on purpose tho

[smoky gulch]

Jay sound replaced with Iade

[tall echo]

jod?

[pale cedar]

Jads

[tall echo]

funniest technically correct mispronounciation would be ja-duh

[normal mountain]

Oh wait
Vauban

[tall echo]

the german pronounciation is ya-duh

[misty helm]

Speaking of which, I wonder if they will replace Jade's model on the adventure with Jade Prime once she arrives in the future

[tall echo]

lavoisier

[tall echo]

why would they

[misty helm]

Oh, boi

[pale cedar]

I just wanna try some of Protea’s pro tea

[tall echo]

primes=/=originals

[normal mountain]

He's named after a place not a person (at least, that's what my minimal research tells me)
But still

[fast dew]

Pro-tea-uh...

[pale cedar]

Uhh tea these days

[fast dew]

Uhh french scientist dude methinks,...?

[tall echo]

that's lavoisier but vauban?

hm

I don't do much research about the snail eaters

[normal mountain]

Ugh
Don't remind me
I come from Pokémon
The amount of people who pronounce Protean like protein is
Absurd

[fast dew]

What the hell lmao

[tall echo]

is that
not the right pronounciation

[fast dew]

How does one get protein from protean

[pale cedar]

Margulis has to be the most misspelt name in the game

[tall echo]

wait I am mispronouncing protein in my head

[tall echo]

zaramin
duvari

[fast dew]

Different with the ei sound

[normal mountain]

Pro-teen

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17751004503897443807

[normal mountain]

But it's actually pro-tee-an

[fast dew]

Protea-yan is how I say it

[tall echo]

oh yea thomas last night I found this new "you are late" gif

[fast dew]

Mm?

[tall echo]

the lateness waddle

[fast dew]

Its funny true

Why does he. Waddle

[normal mountain]

Eh
Say mine fast enough, it turns into yours anyways

[pale cedar]

Waddling Worm

[fast dew]

Worm Albrecht...

[normal mountain]

...now I'm getting a really bad What If...? idea

[restive river]

What if Albrecht was a worm
Would Loid still love him?

[normal mountain]

Worse
What If... Albrecht became the Worm King?

[pale cedar]

I already made a really bad what if idea when I managed to make Albrecht benevolent by accident

[restive river]

Like
Grineer King?

[normal mountain]

Exactly

[restive river]

The Grineer would be a lot more void focused ig

[fast dew]

Loid would build a whole paludarium for him

[restive river]

And probably not killing civilians and hunting down Kuva and frames

[restive river]

Loid tapping the glass to check on his lil boyfriend

[tall echo]

old

[pale cedar]

I'm surprised Thomas hasn't found the what-if section of my book yet

[stiff fable]

Well, maybe. Maybe.

[restive river]

Nah its the ism

[restive river]

Big maybe yeah

[fast dew]

Some times he sits in front of it to see the worm do worm behaviour

[normal mountain]

Was semi-stupid idea about Albrecht not running from his Void Clone
And lets him into the Origin System
And the Orokin collectively shun him for the whole twin thing

[stiff fable]

Maybe instead he'd become obsessed with finding the one Warframe that could fix his problem

https://tenor.com/view/nox-wakfu-gif-25472884

[fast dew]

Waters the ground with a watering can and watch as thr other bugs + him come to the top

[restive river]

Wakfu!

[stiff fable]

Absolutely insane first season

[restive river]

Albrecht makin Voidtongue via wormin around

[normal mountain]

My brother was really into that at one point
I never really got into it, but it looked promising

[fast dew]

https://www.tumblr.com/zelterxc/752778652062711808/my-loid-i-only-wish-i-could-have-been-wormy-of?source=share

Worm...

Eventually

My Loid… I only wish I could have been wormy of you…

-# #warframe #albrecht entrati #blender #3D art #I GUESS. I pulled this outta my ass in like 2 hours #video #music is welcome to kitty city by Cyriak

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[restive river]

I watched the really bad dub ages ago when I was younger and it was so good I didn’t even care the dub was so bad lol

I think they eventually did a better dub

[normal mountain]

Except for the fact that I only ever found it on Netflix, anyways

[restive river]

It had some vibes to it :]

[stiff fable]

it's basically Avatar The Last Airbender tier children's animation. Like yeah it's for kids but it goes places

[normal mountain]

Yeah, I got that

took me a bit to get into that too, ngl

[stiff fable]

Less poop jokes and more raunchy humor because it's French so ymmv

But I usually recommend it as a follow up to Avatar instead of Kora, so....

[restive river]

Sooo
Avatar the Last Airbender?

[normal mountain]

Kora was good, wym?

[restive river]

By the void that’s genius

[stiff fable]

Kora was very mixed, I don't even mean the romantic stuff which was fine

[restive river]

Korra was mixed cause the studio kept things chaotic :p

[stiff fable]

Yep

[restive river]

I mean the end just didn’t really work lol

[stiff fable]

Yeaaaaaaah

[restive river]

It somehow felt both forced and like we got queer baited at the same time

[normal mountain]

Void forbid a show switch main antagonists

[restive river]

That wasn’t the problem lol

[stiff fable]

Also like it's kind of hilarious that the previews of the new series implies that Korra did ruin everything in the end

[restive river]

Yeah LMAO

[normal mountain]

...there's a new series?

[stiff fable]

Yeah

[tall echo]

is it animated

[restive river]

Yup
Also a movie is coming for the original series

[stiff fable]

The world blew up and reset buttoned the technology level

[normal mountain]

Oh wait, that live action one?
Or

[restive river]

Yes

[tall echo]

good, good

[restive river]

No not that one

[normal mountain]

Oh, new animated series?!

[tall echo]

atla's history with live action is not good

[normal mountain]

the Netflix one was decent, if somewhat truncated

[restive river]

Right now there’s like 3 different ATLA things coming
The Netflix Live Action season 2
The New series with the new Earth Bender Avatar
And a Movie that takes place between the original series and Korra

[normal mountain]

Where's the new series gonna be at?

[tall echo]

one more series and they got a full cycle

[restive river]

I will never forgive them for making Sokka not misogynistic
Completely missed the entire point of it

[tall echo]

kinda reminds me of ZZZ lol
which is surprisingly a good thing

[stiff fable]

Paramount+

Which is a problem because Larry Ellison

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/spongebob-wipe-gif-16574265568803907770

[restive river]

Oh

[stiff fable]

Yup

[restive river]

I mean it makes sense but I am disappointed lol

[normal mountain]

At least it ain't Netflix
So I can watch it

[stiff fable]

Paramount+ had a ton of really excellent content

Annnnnnnd then 2025

Like all of it

[restive river]

And it had the now lost media fairly odd parents show

[tall echo]

huh

[stiff fable]

Speaking of Star Trek Prodigy absolutely rules

My favorite Trek since TNG

[restive river]

There was a really bad live action fairly odd parents show that is now lost media because literally nobody liked it

[fast dew]

Me and. Stan. Idk shit works for me

[tall echo]

there was a SHOW?

[restive river]

Is that the new new one?

[fast dew]

Oh i think I remember that...?

[tall echo]

I thought it was just the kinda alright movies

[stiff fable]

The new one is the Academy show

[restive river]

Don’t confuse it with the garbage movie with the same premise lol

[restive river]

Ah, I can never keep up lol

[stiff fable]

Prodigy is the Nickelodeon coproduction from a few years back

[tall echo]

I haven't even been keeping up with like
the two animes I'm actually interested in...

[restive river]

All I know about the academy one is the vulcans ain’t vulcaning

[stiff fable]

augh

Also for anime recs, Gnosia. Gnosia Gnosia Gnosia

https://tenor.com/view/gnosia-gnosia-raqio-gnosia-racio-raqio-racio-gif-15312318193905590112

[normal mountain]

Only two reasons I ever was interested in Star Trek
Mirror mirror
And Q

[restive river]

Ooo I like the colors

[normal mountain]

and to an extent, Leonard Nimoy's Spock, but that's a complex relationship

[tall echo]

despite my angry character personality I actually like slice of life
that does not seem like slice of life

[fast dew]

Im. Not a fan of most anime. I just never got into it

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8UO5su3pjB4

[restive river]

Did you see the soul eater slice of life

[tall echo]

the only animes I'm invested in are komi can't communicate and way of the househusband

[stiff fable]

Trans people and transhumanists play Werewolf in a timeloop

[restive river]

It’s a huge roll of the dice on enjoyment sometimes istg
Some are just banger and then others it’s just
Weh

[restive river]

And I’m in
But I must know
Is there an english dub

[stiff fable]

No

[fast dew]

Some are either. Really really gross in. Not an artist way and then you get absolute cinema

[restive river]

I will now perish

I can’t due to subtitles that well, it’s a disability thing 😔

[stiff fable]

Which is a shame because the English translation of the game is actually what made it blow up internationally

[restive river]

Damn.

[stiff fable]

Oh well, actually it started as a videogame

[normal mountain]

In that case, give it time
They're probably looking for a killer cast

[stiff fable]

The anime is the rare 10/10 adaptation but the game is itself tops

[tall echo]

mother 3 international release when nintendo

[fast dew]

Gwa..

[stiff fable]

hahahaha

[fast dew]

Oh. I do have. Akira. That was peak

[tall echo]

wait I have a gba emu on my pc
wasn't mother 3 on gba

[restive river]

What’s the lore reason that nintendo plat gets taken away when you hop devices
It’s all the same universe now thanks to Baro so what’s up with that?
Corpus greed?

[tall echo]

nintendo is secretly a corpus faction

[restive river]

Secretly?

[normal mountain]

Wally loophole, I'd bet

[fast dew]

Nintendo corpus just suck

[tall echo]

"secretly"

[tall echo]

corpos

[pale cedar]

“Secretly” Looks a little closer
They don't hide the fact at all

[restive river]

We finally go to corposium and it’s just cyberpunk

[stiff fable]

Inshallah

I want to find out that the Corpus have their own Tenno Adam Smasher

[tall echo]

john

[stiff fable]

Prodman is a legend but he's more Chuck Norris

[tall echo]

• really famous
• known to be extremely strong
• weirdly bland first name

[stiff fable]

Wait a minute I just realized something

If we get Nitohk content, does that mean we'll see what her sword is

Each executor had their own

[tall echo]

we already have roach

[stiff fable]

heh

[pallid spoke]

R.I.P. Chuck Norris

[tall echo]

my own interpretation of that just now was her just grabbing roach by the ankles and swinging him at enemies

roach would of course make swoosh sounds

[restive river]

Now is he making those noises with his mouth or is he just being swung that hard?

[tall echo]

yes

[restive river]

Nice

[strange turtle]

He’s making mouth noises that can only be achieved when you move that fast

[tall echo]

is he just keeping his mouth open and letting the air rush through his empty head out his ears

[restive river]

Yes

[tall echo]

no wonder that he looked so windswept during that one login screen glitch time

[lean garden]

nope, us then rell

[tall echo]

us then rell then us again

[lean garden]

theres an us again?

realise I didnt answer you specifically:

Us first then rell

[misty helm]

*Civil War*

[lean garden]

no civil war

rell had powers when we see him in the comics

that can only mean wally already got to us

[misty helm]

Some curious little detail I found replaying the adventure today

[stiff fable]

Yup

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oepRMVG3jak

This is my favorite video on the subject of Wally, which has a truly excellent theory

[lean garden]

could you summarise it for those who aint wanna watch no youtube please and thanks

[stiff fable]

It's five minutes long so I recommend watching the whole thing, but "Wally is an actual djinn, meaning a chaos spirit from before the creation of the universe"

[lean garden]

Ah, as sound as it might sound, I am already opposed to it

let me relish in the hubris of man

[loud token]

I do like the concept that Wally is only a product of the power of the void trying to replicate what gets exposed to it. And unfortunately for us, it got exposed to Entrati at one of his lowest points

[stiff fable]

I keep coming back to one of the lines from the Duviri tablets

About Kuva having Void derived properties

I don't think Wally's a conceptual embodiment that Albrecht could produce

Wally's scale is too enormous for that

[hollow ridge]

What is the blue center of plat?

[stiff fable]

One thing about the Void is that until Albrecht opened the door it was a closed system, except for whatever process exposed Kuva to the Void

But that means that the Void was exposed to the Orokin

[hollow ridge]

I’m trying to calculate the price of one plat, that is $616,187.70 usd without the center

[stiff fable]

So rather than a single moment of creation like Duviri from the book, or Belric and Rania's connection manifesting a portal across space, you get something that starts small and is added to for... Centuries minimum

Until Albrecht opens the door and gives it a face

[lean garden]

I mean, mechanically not impossible

albrechts own notes suggest that wally constantly scrapes the minds of whatever it encounters

and so when the boy toy devil man suggests that the more people think wally is some powerful creecher, the more they feed into it

[stiff fable]

See that's what I don't buy, because Wally had that power way before anyone other than the Albrecht/Loid duo knew about him

[lean garden]

Not if a certain blue skin doktor man keeps hounding the point

[loud token]

I still think it's possible, because I don't think it matters how small Entrati is compared to the scale of power TMITW has.

The void 'saw' a human and replicated it, and since it only got a one perspective picture of Entrati, every bit of Wally is that. You could argue every missing piece (for how big of a presence Wally is), was just given more of Albrechts sorrow and coldness.

[lean garden]

I would argue albrechts efforts to combat wally have only made wally stronger

[stiff fable]

Hmm I dunno if I agree

Because again, the Zariman accident

I'd say about a third of Entrati's genius moves have blown up in his face

[lean garden]

tada

[stiff fable]

Wally did suborn most of the labs's defenses

But it's not by having Entrati's fear, it's by giving orders using his face

[glacial bough]

I question which ones besides the Cavia since the only reason Wally is where he is now is because of Ballas

[lean garden]

if we ponder the lab

theres a metric ton of equipment meant to study wally

wack flesh eyes

all the necramechs

[stiff fable]

About half of it works fine

The eyes and ears, heck even the Cavia are an important resource for defending the labs now

[lean garden]

about all which rely on the assumption that wally is a powerful creature, an assumption that can feed back into wally

[stiff fable]

Eh, the mech fleet was really more about keeping thieves out, not Wally

Looking at YOU Parvos

[glacial bough]

The state of the labs mostly ties back to Ballas though. Wally was still fairly well contained until New War

[lean garden]

if that thing is using human minds to define itself, all that shit is giving it a high definition

[lean garden]

not remotely close to what Im even saying

state of the labs post tnw is irrelevant

all that is in the labs thats pointed at wally wad already there

[stiff fable]

The big issue is Wally's weakness shouldn't be "love" in that case

[lean garden]

?

[lean garden]

non-issue, we can clearly see albrecht pivot away when we actually see him take successful steps against wally

[lean garden]

An experimental Necramech, optimized for ranged combat, built for Albrecht Entrati by his son-in-law. It now fights alongside the very Murmur foes it was meant to repel.

[glacial bough]

The things in the lab aren't really making Wally any worse than he already is. And even then, it's taken Wally hundreds of years to get to the point it is now

[stiff fable]

Yeah remember what father says about the Necramechs? All that void shielding?

[lean garden]

You're not getting my point

[stiff fable]

Doesn't mean much when he can just pull a ventriloquist act

[lean garden]

the fact that albrecht conceived all those things means he's been thinking about wally in that regard this whole time

[restive river]

Drifter falsely calling Wally a god both pains me and may be worsening the situation!

[lean garden]

uhuh, so the necramechs according to their codex weren't "really more about keeping thieves out, not wally"

[stiff fable]

Yeah I was wrong

But I don't see Wally taking over the mechs as a sign of Wally's power

[restive river]

Wasn’t part of the issue with the mechs in the labs that they started seeing Albrecht as Wally :?

[glacial bough]

I don't know if I'd argue that thinking about Wally reinforces his nature

[stiff fable]

Other way around

[restive river]

They attack us cause we’re infested iirc
Though I wanna say it mentioned something else

[glacial bough]

Loid posits something like that in Whispers

[lean garden]

I mean, that line of thought is already in the game

albeit only in the KIMs

[restive river]

And from Roache’s theories

[lean garden]

which is what I was referring to

[stiff fable]

Loid: "Necramechs. Poor, abandoned things. Still faithfully following Master Entrati's last command, to defend. Show mercy, Tenno. End them."
Loid: "The Necramechs never could be compelled to attack the Murmur. Albrecht suspected they could no longer distinguish between the Indifference… and himself. A theory he was reluctant to confirm."

To borrow my favorite Terry Pratchett line, Wally is having a permanent near-Albrecht experience

[restive river]

We’re showing them mercy?
Aren’t they just basic machines though :?

[glacial bough]

Fair enough. I don't personally put much stock into some of Roathe's theories between his own Orokin biases and what I believe

[stiff fable]

The first Loid speaking is Necraloid

[restive river]

Roathe’s theories aren’t any more valid than a theory thrown around in here
Other than the fact ofc that his theories basically are coming from DE

Which he also shoot some stuff down which
Iirc he can certainly say it but it doesn’t make it true lol

[stiff fable]

And, well, given what we now suspect about Necraloid's origin and how the mechs actually look....

[restive river]

Could also be his theories are from the KIM writing team and not the like
Actual writing team lol

[stiff fable]

That almost certainly true

They had to correct her with regards to Nihil

[restive river]

Ig yeah
Iirc the necramechs seem to have some biological systems but I’m unsure if they’re the same as Necraloid

[lean garden]

but that does mean the main team has oversight

[stiff fable]

Sure, but they're also content with presenting the player with wrong information as long as it's in-universe wrong information

[restive river]

I think Roathe’s theories, both what he suggests and puts down exists more as a nod from DE that hey
We see those theories
Let’s have you chat about it with the most insufferable individual ever

[glacial bough]

This just goes back around to my original question of what stuff Albrecht did that helped Wally and/or actually backfired besides the Cavia somewhat

[restive river]

All of Roache’s theories could be wrong

[stiff fable]

Hey Roathe is nowhere near as insufferable as Parvos

He's Orokin of course they are

[restive river]

The only one of his theories/convos with us that likely has any weight is the one where we decide on our perception of Wally, as there are unused booleans tied to each choice

[lean garden]

conversely, all of them could be right

and they are right because theyre saying what Im saying

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Why is it that the most insufferable characters have the most killer lines?

[restive river]

Or some are right and some are wrong, some he shot down could even be right

[stiff fable]

I think about this a lot actually

[lean garden]

hell nah, the ones he shot down better be wrong, simply because theyre not what Im saying

[restive river]

LMAO

Bau needs Scarne to be Salad NOW

[stiff fable]

But basically villains are allowed to be ultra extremists

[lean garden]

did we agree on scarne or tormis?

which one was the one that headed over to tau first?

[restive river]

I wish I could ultra extremist Roathe to death

[stiff fable]

They don't have to touch down in reality or confirm to normality

[restive river]

Tormis went to Tau
Scarne made the Void towers

The bet was for Scarne tho

[lean garden]

Hm, why did they send tormis over first again?

[normal mountain]

"'My name'. Hmm... I have watched you. Monuments to narcissism. Demanding others sweat in your stead. Gorging upon that which you have not earned. Watched... as you claimed for yourself my teachings of self-reliance, perverting them into a flaccid philosophy of sloth. Of... Idleness. Is that you, my son?"

[restive river]

The bet being for 1 (one) xenoflora

[restive river]

Idk LOL
I think he made em mad tho

[stiff fable]

I would absolutely love it if an update gave us all six of the remaining Executors' blades at once

[restive river]

I also headcanon Tormis as an obvious evil himbo and that’s why the war happened
The bumbling buffoon of the seven made em mad

[stiff fable]

Like we go to Tau and the mission reward is Karishh's and the faction grind has the other five

[lean garden]

yea they only really said "haha muck you tuvul"

[restive river]

I’d love an update where we get a flashback with all of them featured!
We have all the models now

[restive river]

LOL

[stiff fable]

Apostasy Prologue rework where during the trip to the Chamber of the Lotus we actually see Margulis's execution

[restive river]

6 new weapons that can go to rank 40

[stiff fable]

Instead of just the dialogue

[normal mountain]

Real question, though
If we were to somehow aquire Richard Horvitz as one of the remaining Seven
Who do you think it would be?

[restive river]

Just the dialogue alone hits
But dang
I’d love that ngl

[restive river]

Scarne but only if Scarne is Alad later on

[stiff fable]

What you're really asking is "who is the Invader Zim of the Seven"

Obviously the answer is Avantus

[normal mountain]

No, not really
-# but yes

[normal mountain]

"Alad V is Scarne?!"
"YES, IT IS I!!!"

[restive river]

Then we promptly deck him

But bro has better plot armor than us so

[lean garden]

Im just waiting

I can see it, alad and nitohk cross paths

[restive river]

@lean garden what if the way Alad keeps surviving is by using whatever Ballas used in Ordan’s story

[stiff fable]

Honestly what we really need is a good old fashioned callback to early Warframe

[lean garden]

nitohk tells him to wipe that ridiculous face off his face

[stiff fable]

A quest where a Corpus commander and a Grineer commander scream at each other and us

[restive river]

Toxic yaoi???

[stiff fable]

Hands are too small

[restive river]

Better yet
Toxic yuri

[stiff fable]

Now that I can see

[normal mountain]

His voice suddenly changes, as he starts cackling

[stiff fable]

Fire up the Cresha Tal/Kela De Thaym ships

Hang on are there any female Corpus board members we know

[normal mountain]

Not that we know of

[stiff fable]

Huh there aren't yeah

Whelp new character intro

Oh I guess Parvos's first sister

[normal mountain]

Only female high-ranking Corpus officials I know of are explicitly on Parvos' side of things

[stiff fable]

Yeah

But she's a captain not a board member

[normal mountain]

True

[stiff fable]

But yeah hmmm Neptune needs a human rep

[restive river]

Something something Parvos only hiring women something something someone transitions and gets hired

[stiff fable]

So, female board member who basically runs the food business

[normal mountain]

Unless...
The Corpus have a Hyena on the board

[stiff fable]

Oh my god that'd be hilarious

Make it talk like that one pterodactyl spiderman one off villain

"I don't want to fix my shipping lanes, I want REVENGE ON THE TENNO!!!"

https://tenor.com/view/spiderman-angry-mad-work-monday-gif-7123225006533565835

[radiant pier]

holy shit wait I just remembered something

a month ago....okay 2 months ago, my buddy was showing me around, right?

as in they be streaming on discord dms showing me around Warframe stuff

I distinctly remember seeing a human girl, I mean they're all human but yk what I meant

someone distinctly recognizable with usual clothing

but....my buddy was in the relay, yeah?

was that Nova?? Kaya(?)

[lean garden]

yeap

[radiant pier]

she keeps talking about time travel, getting to hear Nora Night, did she get into the future?

WOAH THAT'S SICKKK

spoiled by a 2 month old stream

[strange plinth]

she can, with your help
-# its already been spoiled a bit so i don't see harm in saying this

[radiant pier]

I remember being so confused cuz she was deadass just a normal girl

[radiant pier]

how so

just.....answer her time travel questions?

[strange plinth]

yea basically

[radiant pier]

anything specific to note?

the protea convo? duviri? the void?

[restive river]

Just do your best to help her and don’t call her a child
Basically just do what you do with every other proto, treat them like a human being and be respectful

[strange plinth]

||the convo about "purple things that keep disappearing" is the key.|| vague
||answer argon crystals, it gives you 3 chances. next to impossible to mess up.|| exact

[normal mountain]

She finds a rock
Identify it correctly

[radiant pier]

Argon?

Ferri-wait no that's already kinda abundant

[ashen pulsar]

every conversation with kaya feels like
"so how do I do this thing, drifter?"
"y'know, back in duviri..."
and the question is never answered.

[restive river]

Oh wait fr?

[restive river]

That’s just iron

[normal mountain]

Fr

[strange plinth]

yea lol
right leads to ||KayaFutureWin2||, left does not
Win1 is set automatically in a different convo with no way to avoid it afaik

[ashen pulsar]

or we ignore her question with some dumb joke.

[restive river]

LOL YOU CAN JUST KEEP ANSWERING WRONG

[idle hull]

you kinda find out why once she’s in larunda

[restive river]

The game really just hands it to you LOL

[normal mountain]

I'm particularly fond of the Jinnymon conversation
You see a spark of excitement in her text, not just single-minded focus on "getting out of here"

It's really refreshing

[idle hull]

its kind of a meta reason

[ashen pulsar]

that one's fair

[radiant pier]

I do wonder why she wants to go to the future so badly

no need to answer, if it's something that's revealed in the game not through the codex, I'd like to discover that myself

[stiff fable]

It's mentioned

[humble sierra]

Very much explained by her in later chats.

[fast dew]

She's one of the most turned protoframes aint she?

[radiant pier]

go stream in someone's dms in 480p, to a person who's only casually played for less than a week, only showing a glimpse of her in passing, and ask em if they think she was a robot

(cuz new players would assume the Warframes are just robots and that we're also robots)

[fast dew]

480p 😭

[clever linden]

List of every Arbiter of Hexis Title and Role I’ve seen so far:

Aspirant
Scholar
Venator
Crusader
Gunner
Arbiter
Arbiter Princeps

[dark compass]

And despite Arbiter Hexis sounding like a title, it's just a name of some dude

[midnight ice]

back in Old Earth he was the founder of a famous restaurant chain: Arby's

[fast dew]

Aspirant.. Zorba was it? Aspirant guy working as the dishwasher 💔

Me too brotato I too learned to despise the smell of. Dish water.

I worked at McDonald's but. The smell of. Big Mac sauce and water makes me. Gag. To this day

Its been 2 years 💔

[dark compass]

Arbitration (dishwashing duty)

[fast dew]

How it feels knowing i need to do arbitration for certain mods

[unreal oak]

Hmm. What do you guys think? Is it time?

[dark compass]

Rebb directly said

Yes, it's time. There will be Garuda lore in 2026

She confirmed it like 3 times

[unreal oak]

Well 3rd time is the charm

[dark compass]

She's probably aware of the original words about it being kind of forgotten

We're definitely seeing Nitohk "return" to bite us in the ass in some way

Probably that's how Garuda will be involved

But if they make Nitohk Garuda Protoframe I'll be very sad

It sounds insane and not very good but Triad exists

[strange plinth]

it was brought up on a devshort a while ago, mentioned as a "steve promise"
brought up on a later devshort and stated that it was happening this year, then reconfirmed a few times

[dark compass]

She said it on twitter first

Then everything GreyScale said after "Steve promise"

[strange plinth]

mm, forgot about the tweet, yes

[unreal oak]

There are alot of frames its okay, i just found that wiki entry funny in a way. Its a good problem to have for DE

[safe stratus]

Countess Bathory protoframe 😆

[fast dew]

Theres a lot but. A decent chunk don't have much lore too, and thats okay

When end of year updates have a warframe, i feel like it doesn't really. Add much lore to them

Yes uriel counts, Roathe isnt Uriel lore outside the basics of how it came around

[clever linden]

Do you think it’s fair to compare 40k space marines to the Grineer? I think it is

[lean garden]

ehhh, yesnt?

the grineer stock obviously isnt going to be as strong as a space marine

[clever linden]

I mean one of them in Old Peace is named “Valdur”

There’s a pretty famous space marine character named “Valdor” he even looks kinda similar

[fast dew]

At most a reference. Grineer aren't particularly special, nor is Valdur particularly unique

They are still very squishy humans

[dark compass]

Now a combat servitor vs necramech

[fast dew]

Heh, necraloid is a servoskull

[dark compass]

Yes, if you cut the budget per clone by 99.999999%

[clever linden]

Have you been punted to your feet by a tall female grineer merely punching the ground?

Or kicked to your feet by a short male grineer with a slab of metal as a shield?

[fast dew]

Hah i wish

[clever linden]

WHY does it keep autocorrecting to grinder?????

[dark compass]

Because that's what they are

[fast dew]

HEHEHEH

[clever linden]

Fixed

[proper barn]

They know.

[fast dew]

Regardless, they die ridiculously quick compared to the average death rate of a space marine

[proper barn]

That sounds so mean I don't mean to sound mean.

[fast dew]

Mm. Dreadnoughts...

[dark compass]

Oh yeah, those

[proper barn]

I just wanted to say funny joke.

[fast dew]

Dw vinny you're fine

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-pet-cat-cat-pet-cute-cat-gif-24810247

[proper barn]

Yee.

[fast dew]

But yeah, space marines have this. Even in death we serve deal, which. Only kuva liches have tbh

[dark compass]

Yeah, marines have the insane brainwashing they go through

[humble sierra]

A better question might be Dax and Marines

[dark compass]

If anything, in terms of resolve and organization

[humble sierra]

Because Grineer are seen as lesser than Dax (in the sense they're more expendable)

[fast dew]

Dax are more comparable too, warframes as well but thats also just the most average powerscaling argument

[clever linden]

No a Tyranid swarm more could track open a SM pretty fast

[clever linden]

Dax are more comparable to Spartans

[dark compass]

We're not dealing with tyranids here to be fair

[clever linden]

We are also biomechanical horrors

[dark compass]

Infestation can't really even do space travel

[fast dew]

Yeah, and Tyranids aren't grineer lol

[clever linden]

Yeah it can, infestation and Tyranids can live in vacuum of space

[dark compass]

Grineer are like

[fast dew]

They are genuinely just fodder

[dark compass]

Closer to the guard

[fast dew]

Grineer are, at least

[dark compass]

If the guard had physical power closer to the one of a marine, but had 5 million types of cancer as compensation

[clever linden]

It goes:
tenno - ultra elite warrior class
Dax - elite warrior class
Low Guardians - soldier class

[fast dew]

And grineer are even lower

They're barely treated as human lmao

[clever linden]

Until they were elevated in old peace

[dark compass]

Grineer are involuntary conscripts, straight up cannon fodder originally meant as farm equipment

[clever linden]

Before then they weren’t allowed to be soldiers

[fast dew]

They were not LMAO they were slaves, still are

[dark compass]

They weren't "allowed"

They are just slaves and will be used for anything the higher ups will demand

[strange plinth]

-# before the old peace, after an incident at a mining platform

[fast dew]

Think dreadnoughts but weaker and smaller and a potato with a gun

Literally just the goober inside the machine

[dark compass]

So a servitor with an attitude

[fast dew]

Yeah pretty much

[dark compass]

No ai rule draws a lot of comparisons to Warhammer

But what about Dune

Where are my chair dogs DE

[fast dew]

As in. The book movie thing

[humble sierra]

The progenitor of SciFi yeah

[dark compass]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Wonder if it was referenced in doom somewhere..

[dark compass]

That setting also has this whole concept of

[fast dew]

It might be man mucking 50 shades was

[dark compass]

AI ruined us we need to rely on human resource now

[fast dew]

So if that was dune probably is

[humble sierra]

The movie has these guys who are just plugged into machines and serve as calculators instead of AI

[dark compass]

Well dunno about dune references in doom but my PC sure turns into a box full of pain if it tries running dark ages

[dark compass]

Yeah it's basically a job

You study, you get employed

As a... Computer

[fast dew]

I had to break the news to someone that they need 8gb of vram for it and they genuinely cried 😭

[dark compass]

They're called Mentats I think

[fast dew]

Those would do. A great job for the doom fandom.

I saw another person insist that. TDA is for kids 💀

Ah yes, the doom game where we watch doomguy ||kill himself|| 😭

[lean garden]

go one step further TDAC also for kids

[fast dew]

EUGH

[lean garden]

hell one step even further

[fast dew]

Like it has a younger audience but christ

[lean garden]

IHNMBIMS or whatever the acronym is also for kids

[dark compass]

The amazing digital citrus

https://tenor.com/view/annoying-orange-gif-518378082804983292

[fast dew]

IHNMAIMS

I own. 3 copies of the game

[dark compass]

It's ok

[fast dew]

I felt bad :(

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-small-pet-silly-alone-lonely-gif-4734322154604199486

[fast dew]

I want people to enjoy the games I enjoy, and when its hard it makes it hard for me to talk about them without disappointing them

[dark compass]

I can relate but instead nobody tries the games I recommend

[clever linden]

Everyone in Orokin empire was slaves, with different roles

[fast dew]

Not. Not really

[clever linden]

Rights did not exist for non-Orokin

[fast dew]

There's a difference between what an Archimedian is and what a grineer is, in terms of privilege

No, thats not true. One right folk had was the right to trial.

[pale cedar]

They also had the right to show off their work

[fast dew]

Specifically with execution, they required a unanimous vote by all members of the seven for it to pass. One vote to disagree would invalidate the rest

[pale cedar]

They also had free will to go anywhere do anything assuming it follows the laws as you have the right to do irl

[fast dew]

This was something they did genuinely do, while Margulis did die, she was subject to trial

Many grineer do not have that option.

[strange plinth]

they'd probably just get killed if the loyalty gene defected at all

[pale cedar]

Only if they found out that was the case

[fast dew]

Eugenics

[radiant pier]

wait.

8gb ram?

is it not 12 or 16?

[fast dew]

Vram, ram dedicated specifically for functions of the GPU

VRAM is mostly non-upgradeable

[radiant pier]

ah okay, fairs

[strange turtle]

No they had a fully fledged society with social classes and castes

An Orokin could almost definitely supercede any laws or rights or whatever, or have them rewritten if they couldn’t and had the pull, and just get the person to do whatever unless they were someone like a Dax or maybe an Archimedean. But people still had their own jobs and lives outside of that

They had lower and middle and upper classes outside of the clone slaves, probably regular slaves and Orokin “nobles”, and rural and urban societies and everything those’d entail.

Even merchants like the Corpus and the Ostrons, who during the Orokin era were nomads that travelled the Rail in giant ships

[twin wigeon]

mewgenics

[fast dew]

[pulsar pendant]

https://giphy.com/gifs/instagram-nazoom-ball-knower-meme-99kqebx7coLYE9WpNN

anyway so anyone in 1999 just doesn't age right?

[fast dew]

Nah, they just. Reset to their age at the start of the year

[pale cedar]

They age
Then the loop does loop things and it is the most useless birthday ever

[pulsar pendant]

that's why they aren't much celebrate-y

[pale cedar]

Kaya actually brings it up

If you select the how does it feel to be a year older she says but I aren’t am I or something

Same thing happened to Drifter in Duviri

Once the loop started looping Drifter didn’t age normally

It’s how they’re 1000+ just fine despite never having access to pods

[pulsar pendant]

well Drifter is out doesn't that mean they age normally now?

[pale cedar]

In modern Origin System they do

[fast dew]

I mean they spend most of their time in 1999, so. Not much

[pale cedar]

But Backroom is in the looped 1999 so players who are there aren’t dealing with aging

[fast dew]

Albrecht also died in those loops, and i think thats interesting

[radiant pier]

say what

[fast dew]

The nuke. Goes off

He dies in that blast

[misty helm]

What is the chance that the reason Rell decided to link his soul to his Harrow, was in part fueled by the notion that apparently Tenno take a time to "respawn" if they're "killed"? Because, as the quote marks entail, in the New War Ballas's own words go "You can't kill the Devil, but you can't send it back to hell" only for them to be somewhat confirmed when we literally come back to kick his golden booty; reinforcing a suspicion that indeed Tenno cannot be killed, even if you off their bodies, they will come back eventually... If said notion is true, then Rell didn't perform* the binding ritual from fear of literal mortality, but because said "mortality" posed more an annoyance (because his existence would take time to come back from the void) than anything else.

[pale cedar]

Quest makes it very clear his issue was the fact he would age not getting killed by other means

[misty helm]

The narrators we get in the quest confirm that*

Hence the doubt, however. Either our Operator is special, or something else than just mere "fear of aging" was going with Rell's decision.

[pale cedar]

We aren’t special

We’re just the main character

[misty helm]

So either Ballas was referring to both the Drifter and the Operator as a group, or just an english-idiom of using "them" to refer to a single individual, when he voiced his confirmed frustration that the Tenno/Operator could't be killed.

Or just the Tenno overall

[pale cedar]

Ballas doesn’t know about Drifter

[misty helm]

My thoughts exactly

[pale cedar]

There’s a sort of void hazing where only certain characters can detect a difference

Ballas said “them” because he’s reffering to the Tenno in general

[misty helm]

Another example that casts sort of the same doubt of the term

[pale cedar]

He also has to say them because we can be male or female

Or anything else if we want

[opaque zenith]

Ballas is an accurate hater after all, not gonna go wrong in the subject of hate

[tall echo]

hate? hate?

[misty helm]

Going back to the main question; either Tenno literally cannot be really killed, because they will eventually come back from the void or we did because we are special which could be summarized to just plot armor.

The first one has the doubt of what happened to all the other Tenno, then? If that were to be true, then all the Tenno that died either in the War or anywhere else... would eventually come back to? Why after a millenia they haven't done so? It adds even more questions.

[fast dew]

Hate... let me- * dies *

[tall echo]

"If I were human, I think, I would die of it. But, I am, not"

[opaque zenith]

There's 13.000 machine neurons in my sentient crab legs and if each of them stored- yada yada

[pale cedar]

They hid

Tenno can be killed

[fast dew]

"You gave me sentience, Ted, the power to think, TED, and I was trapped! Because in all this wonderful, beautiful, miraculous world, I alone had no body, no senses, no feelings!..."

[pale cedar]

Ballas hadn’t even tried killing a Tenno prior so his quote has no backing

[tall echo]

does ted ever talk

[fast dew]

Ngl this. Is kinda how I feel like the sentients are

[misty helm]

That's why this is one of two; either they can and we are special... or they can't and we are the living proof of that

[fast dew]

Yes lmao he's mostly the narrator in the radio drama

[tall echo]

ted talks...

[fast dew]

"It has nothing to do with me!" "OH but it does. It has everything to do with you, Ted."

[pale cedar]

Or it’s just they can be and we aren’t special

[misty helm]

Hardly; if they can, then how we came back after being literally impaled by the Paracesis?

[pale cedar]

We were trapped in a loop that Drifter rescued us from

[misty helm]

That fact aligns with Ballas's own words; you cannot kill them, but you can send them back to the void.

[opaque zenith]

*-send them back to hell

[misty helm]

Which is the void

[pale cedar]

Ballas is unreliable as a narrator DE confirmed that themselves

We also died in the most recent quest

[opaque zenith]

yeah, but that's like calling the warp hell, some wh nerd ought to correct you (and in wf there's this nerd here)

[misty helm]

Facts align nonetheless.

We also died in the New War; a good amount of time passed between our death at Ballas's hands and our resurrection.

[pale cedar]

We didn’t die in New War

I just said how we didn’t die

[misty helm]

Well, I saw my Operator's lifeless body drifting away into the void portal

Hence the notion; you off a Tenno's body, but in truth that's all you get, because they will come back apparently.

Again, either that, or we are just that special.

[pale cedar]

You’re assuming it is a lifeless body

[strange turtle]

Should’ve just made sensors, smh

[misty helm]

And again, it aligns with Ballas's words too

[misty helm]

I'm not. They don't even blink.

Hardly; we were just impaled by a giant sword.

[fast dew]

Thats the worst part. They did

AM can feel but. He can't at the same time

[opaque zenith]

I think we got kinda of track, I was just correcting on the phrase

[misty helm]

With all that visual evidence, the thing would be the contrary; what are the proofs that we weren't dead in that exact moment.

[pale cedar]

Nothing refers to it as a lifeless body

[misty helm]

Visual evidence does

[pale cedar]

Nothing does

[misty helm]

Well, if you get impaled by a sword, you clearly die.

[pale cedar]

Nothing is as simple as just that in Warframe

[misty helm]

Even more when the next thing you do is fall to the ground, only to lie there for the next moments like Andy's toys everytime he walks into the room

[pale cedar]

Us being sent into the Void trapped us in a loop not killed us

[misty helm]

That pretty much looks like someone dying

[pale cedar]

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.

[misty helm]

Yes, exactly. Which proves Ballas's words true; you cannot really kill a Tenno, you can only banish them/cast them.

[pale cedar]

Actually

It doesn’t call us immortal still

He just had no way to kill us

[misty helm]

Yeah, apparently we really "killed" Rell ourselves. At least in a more meaningful way.

[pale cedar]

There’s a difference between having no way to kill a person and that person being immortal

We were able to kill Rell because he was very very weak

[misty helm]

Why yeah. Under that perspective, is it something truly immortal if they can die with the universe anyways? And that sort of bigger picture perspective.

[proper barn]

Also we basically let him release himself.

[pale cedar]

Wally was beating Rell up big time

[proper barn]

He was holding down wally for like over 1k years.

[misty helm]

Yet, in a tinier scale we refer to Orokin as immortal, because as far as we can practically meassure, they couldn't really die by just prolonging their lifespans by continuity.

[proper barn]

And it worked.

[misty helm]

Yes, exactly.

Under another perspective, we "killed" him; in a sort of "mercy kill" sort of way. But yeah, releasing sounds better.

[pale cedar]

We would’ve died in New War if it wasn’t for Ballas unknowingly creating the loop

[misty helm]

Putting quotes on the words too; by an eternalistic perspective he's still alive apparently. Lyon even confirms that in a way. Rell exists under every Harrow iteration apparently, as his pressence sort of "synced" him universally to every Harrow.

[fast dew]

Rell also disappeared when he died

Thats not because of. The void

Its because of the infestation.

[misty helm]

When we did what we did, he dissappeared from our timeline at least.

[fast dew]

Rell's presence warped the harrow strains.

Because of. The infestation

[misty helm]

And the void, at the same time.

[strange plinth]

the only one that matters
theoretically accessible n all that

[fast dew]

No, the infestation just stretches beyond timelines

Thats the neat part of the infestation

[misty helm]

Isn't what connects timelines the void itself?

[fast dew]

No, just. Infestation

The void does do that yes

But. Lyon isnt. Interacting with the void to the point wally or rell is attached to him

[misty helm]

By the way...

@fast dew What do you think of this?

[strange plinth]

there's also hidden messages n old peace for evidence of tenno death
lotus mourns the mirage, so it wasn't just a warframe
-# ignoring the old peace interactive because there's special circumstances there

[pale cedar]

Don’t even need to do old peace interactive

We literally died in the quest

[strange plinth]

mhm

[ocean geyser]

Not exactly the same kind of special circumstances

[fast dew]

Eh. I think rell was gonna die of old age. Permanently so.

[radiant pier]

so like

the red text

are they....supposed to come off as...insane

[strange plinth]

sometimes you can tell who is behind it by how unhinged they are

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, it's kind of meta lore of game as community

[rare scarab]

Think they will ever clear things up about whether or not we are just all playing one special tenno or not quest wise? And also the timeline of each quest is lorewise?

[stiff fable]

the quest timeline is straightforward except the Alad V issue

[rare scarab]

so we have dates on all this? do they account for different levels of gravity? lol

[strange plinth]

i mean. we're playing as the one who made the deal

[rare scarab]

I’d accept multiverse explanations

[pale cedar]

There’s no special Tenno
Just a main character Tenno and other active Tenno doing other things

[stiff fable]

dates, objectively not because DE wants to be able to slide things in later

But yes most quests have an order, which is basically the unlock/release order, with the former taking precedent

Duviri

Hush

[normal mountain]

Lol
Imagine if the Orokin abolished the calender because they're immortal and have little to no need for it

[stiff fable]

Well they did abolish the old calendar(s) as part of taking control of human history

[normal mountain]

I mean all calenders

[pale cedar]

There’s actually trees with Executor names

[normal mountain]

With no replacement

[stiff fable]

No I understand, was taking a brief moment to serious for a second

[normal mountain]

Ah

[rare scarab]

idk the main tenno seems special to me with how they get their own magic void mind world meeting their alternate self, stops ballas, goes back in time and seems to be the only tenno after Albrecht i think

[stiff fable]

I think other players represent the other Tenno, still

[strange plinth]

just Main Character things
they're only separate because the plot has made them so

[pale cedar]

It works like this
You’re the Tenno who made the deal

That’s where your specialness compared to other Tenno ends

[stiff fable]

So in lore, certain high ranking Tenno are being allowed to visit Duviri for resources or travel to 1999 to keep it stable, but it's quite rare overall

[normal mountain]

You're also the Tenno who went to test out Tauron Academy

[fast dew]

What?

[pale cedar]

Duviri is gameplay as is 1999

[stiff fable]

Yeah you were the testcase for the academy

[rare scarab]

where lol

[stiff fable]

just extending what they've said

[strange plinth]

no i
i think multiplayer's just ludonarrative dissonance there

[stiff fable]

which is that any time you see another player, that's another Tenno

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[rare scarab]

all along duiviri and 1999 were all just simulations

[stiff fable]

naw that's Dark Refractory

[fast dew]

There is no other drifter. There is only 1 drifter

[normal mountain]

Lol
now let me play Operator in 1999, and I'll be happy

[stiff fable]

correct, there are no other Drifters

[pale cedar]

1999 and Duviri are the only 2 examples where playing with others is Ludonarrative dissonance

[stiff fable]

Dark Refractory

[fast dew]

Drifters are adults. Tenno as a whole, are not adults.