lore-discussion

[pale cedar]

I think Excal was made prior to Operators

[smoky gulch]

Not to mention there are Tenno-allied structures built, like relays - that's not something you do for faction consisting of few members

[pale cedar]

Which of you is paying the relay tax?

[misty helm]

Yeah, I guess, but what's the chance that we're the first? Even in the Erra flashback when the reservoir on Lua was attacked, we're seen operating Excalibur there too

[zinc sedge]

Actually, thag raises a small question: can Tenno be ripped from their Warfame and thrown out of Transference?

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, The War Within

Or The HEx

[misty helm]

Like, there must be a reason we were taken to Tau to play the whole honorific role of being the poster-boy/girl for the whole "Alliance" shenanigan

[pale cedar]

There's honestly just not enough evidence to find a conclusive answer

[humble sierra]

Those Kuva guys with the spears

[opaque zenith]

Technically, void powers aren't tethered to one person in the current unierse too (Palladindo gives the task to all Tenno iirc), it's just that everyone else seems... incompetent? Like 6 people squad still lossing in Perita, dying with a rhino, mirage, limbo, etc

[zinc sedge]

Oh man, you both are right! That was like the whole thing with WW

[humble sierra]

On the Zariman, we were sort of leading/protecting the other children. We probably just demonstrate skills like that which makes us more 'worthy'

[pale cedar]

An Angel can stab your frame

Ballas kicks you out your frame

Kuva Guardians kick you out

Follies hunt you get kicked out when you hold paint

Orphix Field can kick you out

[opaque zenith]

Also one of the eggs does the opposite, keeping you in the frame forever

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[zinc sedge]

Many ways to skin the void cat, ed-boy

[fast dew]

I thought of kalymos when you said void cat 😭

[zinc sedge]

How do you skin a hairless cat?....don't ah...don't answer that

[tall echo]

same as a cat with fur?

[zinc sedge]

Dumb question i asked xD

[tall echo]

so dumb you underflowed and became yoda

[smoky gulch]

Huh, fragments paint Tenno as strong arm of neutral faction among power struggles

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/kalymos-warframe-heart-cat-gif-14437175578720025539

[tall echo]

tenno(faction) not tenno(people)

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, but being neutral player in all this mess? That's a biiig job

[zinc sedge]

Call me the underflow, the way like Yoda i spit

[smoky gulch]

Just wish the Cephalon fragments didn't make these annoying noises :(

[tall echo]

uhhhhhhh

[smoky gulch]

Surely there's nothing hidden with that noise :))))

[tall echo]

just find a spot far away from the origin, problem solved

don't tell ordis about it or he might get upset

[smoky gulch]

Might get mad for more than 2 ms

[zinc sedge]

Okay-so I have a hypothetical scenario I wanted to write for, but I wanted to see if it would be lore accurate:

So, we've already discussed in the past that empty Warframes can be puppeted by the Infested, as we've seen with Mesa. We also know that Nidus, particularly Nidus Prime, is a pure carrier/creature of the Gray.

Would it be surmised, then, that by using Parasitic Link a Nidus could pilot an empty Warframe?

Sorry, puppet

[fast dew]

Mm, possibly..?

[zinc sedge]

Like, it'd be clumsy and off, but it would still be moving by the Nidus' will

[fast dew]

I can see it working in theory

Though in practice is another thing

[misty helm]

Wasn't Mesa being controlled by the collar Alad put on her?

[tall echo]

the mesa was "hollowed out" and controlled by mutalist infested

[misty helm]

What about the collar, then?

Like, isnt that the same thing he uses to control Zanuka?

[tall echo]

what collar

[fast dew]

Maybe he's just a. Freak

[tall echo]

huh, I don't remember that

tbf she didn't survive very long when I did the quest

[zinc sedge]

The collar, I think, is what infected the Mesa with the Mutalist strain

[pale cedar]

Doubt it

Collar for control rather than to infect her

[zinc sedge]

Ah, fair

[crimson abyss]

do we know why the moon is so close to earth in warframe?

[dire current]

Likely void-related shenanigans done either by the Orokin, or from taking Lua out of the Void during the Second Dream.

[crimson abyss]

i see

[pale cedar]

It probably isn't actually really close we aren't given a distance

Either way
Spacefarring game
A long distance won't be long

[ocean geyser]

They make sounds??

[smoky gulch]

In Codex? Yeah

[ocean geyser]

Huh

Oh wait you mean the voiceovers,

[smoky gulch]

No, try it yourself - open codex on original cephalon fragments, like Earth or something, and mouse over it

[pale cedar]

Yeah, the voiceovers

[stiff fable]

if you find the loudest part of the noise you'll find an Easter egg

[pale cedar]

Not even the only codex fragments with voiceovers

[smoky gulch]

Ye, just joking about the noise the fragments make when you cursory glance at them

[tall echo]

finding those pixel-perfect spots on controller was painful

[smoky gulch]

I was reading through them for minor worldbuilding data and it's ear scratchy

Ouf, definitely not made with controllers in mind

[zinc sedge]

Just a real quick double check-the Tenno themselves can't be infected, right?

[tall echo]

yes

infestation is scared of void, so tenno are immune

[zinc sedge]

Sick!

[pale cedar]

"We're immune to the Infestation but they still try to kill us."

[tall echo]

no, very healthy

[zinc sedge]

Oh ha ha xD

[tall echo]

stupid jokes are part of my precepts

[pale cedar]

Is that a joke?

[opaque zenith]

Technicaly, it is text in a screen, forming words even

[silver cape]

So I was doing an arbitration mission in the Infested Orokin Tileset. The tendrils that’s scattered throughout the place looks like it’s siphoning off the void energy with this blue energy like thing flowing through them…. Any explanation for that?

[tall echo]

that's arboriform, it's not entirely clear what it does but it's not infestation

[opaque zenith]

For the infested tilesets, that should be the infested arboriforms, the normal arboriforms are the "data cables/veins and tendrils" of the towers (iirc), and the infested versions are, supposelly, another strain that infestet these trees. Though they don't actually use the energy for anything as far as I know, it just got stuck there like a tied hose that has bloated water in

[smoky gulch]

Whether or not arboriform gets infested is guess on player's part, tbh

[opaque zenith]

My explanation got a little confusing, so I'll trow the wiki parts that I based my reasoning

"While not a Hall of Ascension per se, an Arboriform room,[...], does contain a timed puzzle involving the activation of three Arboriform consoles in sequence. Successfully completing the puzzle creates a large area that restores energy to any Warframes standing in it and opens up a hidden door that contains lockers and Storage Containers.[...]"
For the data and energy parts
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Orokin_Moon

[tall echo]

yuck, wiki lore

[opaque zenith]

"It is unknown whether or not the Derelict Infestation looks tree-like in appearance because it mainly consists of infested Arboriform or simply because it just so happened to be tree-like in earlier strains[...]"
For the infested tree parts (also there's a second theory that it's just an original design)
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Orokin_Derelict

[smoky gulch]

There's no quotation on that, so, as I said, it's a guess on wiki writer's part

[tall echo]

the derelict kinda looks like a fish from... deimos, I think

[opaque zenith]

Yeah, I'm not telling facts, just the more common theories since there's no info except a single codex entry

And finally, the page specifically for the trees https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Arboriform

[tall echo]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[loud oriole]

i was gonna say the thing i saw one time in the yellow wall maze i was in but yeah deimos fish

[tall echo]

what

oh backrooms joke

[pale cedar]

We can't even get any new lore on it because DE removed the vessel

[tall echo]

sorry it takes me a bit to process unfunny jokes /s

[pale cedar]

What's a joke?

[loud oriole]

all good

[pale cedar]

What if it's a funny joke?

[opaque zenith]

I though there was something on the fragments but now I se I confunded with the void fragment, which has a tree img, but nothing about it

So yeah, apparently there's no tree official shown lore

[pale cedar]

The only thing we know is they're something related to us

Cuz Orbiter has it

[opaque zenith]

Shame, we could talk to Silvana about the trees and stuff, but as for now it is what is is

[pale cedar]

Ask the tree about her brethren

[ocean geyser]

Tree lore

[pale cedar]

JRR Tolkien level of writing

[tall echo]

trore

tree lore... trelore... trenzalore...

[normal mountain]

Here's a bad joke
Have a Tau resident who looks like a tree
Call them the Entient

[storm wharf]

Random question do we know what mods are on the Hex’s guns during their quest, if any at all?

[ocean geyser]

Well they’re supposedly unmodded

Definitely don’t have any elementals though

Probably just base damage and crit

[storm wharf]

Because the revolver skin on Lettie’s Lex is an actual gun so if it’s unmodified we have a direct damage-to-irl kinetic output calc

[storm wharf]

I mean lack of arcanes and mods checks out bc those are expressly orokin tech, plus only Arthur is using the unreasonably cracked Hollvanian tech so it’d make sense the others brought their guns from home, IE overseas

[pale cedar]

DE basically nerfed everything till you could use your own frame

Even the Excal we use is a loaner

[brittle siren]

@fast dew sorry for tagging but this is funny
https://x.com/roguef0x_protea/status/2040826920447918325?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

RogueF0X_Protea (@RogueF0X_Protea)

#AlbrechtEntrati #Loid

X · Apr 5, 2026, 4:20 PM

[storm wharf]

You know when this was posted?

I need to do some powerscaling math, I’m excited

[storm wharf]

No yeah I knew that but I’m just checking because there may be a 1-1 irl gun

Which means we could figure out the kinetic impact of a damage point

[somber beacon]

Due to #1490230471211221012 :
What kind of lore plot would make sense to slot in between Deimos and Natah?
Archwing really doesn't seem enough to bridge the gap and that 'content draught' could be a 'quit moment' for new players. How about adding some kind of 'visions of the past' quests to go along those planets to maybe retell/introduce some of the old events that shaped the system in early warframe?

Maybe something to explain the factions deeper?

[storm wharf]

You could play some of the faction warframe quests, Titania, Octavia

[ocean geyser]

Considering Pablo’s trying to put the Nightwave stories into the Star Chart
You could put something there

[storm wharf]

God please

[somber beacon]

I mean, giving players a free Vitrica may be nice.

[storm wharf]

I need to know the story behind the bum lamp guy on Deimos I missed it lol

[somber beacon]

I mean, I know... I am already way past this point. It's mainly it should be something in the main questlog to string players along, even if it is not a requirement for any further main quest down the line.

Also all 3 Open Worlds kind of introduce the 3 factions as well...

[storm wharf]

oh i thought you meant the six whiny baby factions that gatekeep the augments

who send hit squads after you if you dont play with them

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[storm wharf]

its a very... its a sword all right lol

[normal mountain]

Finally
Someone else who thinks they're just whiners

[somber beacon]

Well, slow but heavy hitting. Also if they give it with a potato people get a somewhat decent weapon early on when potatoes are rarely used.

Kind of how Nateruk is loved by new players.

[loud oriole]

you’d think after the 2nd time they send the hit squad only to hear them get annihilated in 0.54ms they’d change their tone

[storm wharf]

the six factions are all of dubious value lol. they participate slightly, when they want to. they seem to be incapable of stuff on their own, yet also for some reason are using eximus tech (which is specifically pirated warframe tech, made by either just the corpus or them and the grineer)

[somber beacon]

At least they don't whine about the Tennet Melee Tradein, Arbi Tradein, Riven Sliver Tradein and Follie Tradein.

[storm wharf]

thats cuz A) pretty sure glast owes us after helping him deal with animo, B) the arbiters are tenno cultists so them helping us checks out, and C) palladino is just contuing he previous role, managing autistic children. just now its us instead of rell

[ashen pulsar]

they are completely capable of stuff on their own

we just don't see it

[storm wharf]

idk they fumbled picking up a jar and getting that shit out

[ocean geyser]

Me when steel meridian built a whole relay

We helped but yk

[ashen pulsar]

steel meridian defends many colonies from grineer

[storm wharf]

with whos materials dog lol

im not saying they do nothing

im just saying the xenophobe running new loka does not have enough ground to stand on to call me slurs

i do not know why they find it valid to send hit squads on us and why the lotus tolerates that

also in other news, lettie's lex probably fires either .455 webly or .45acp

[tall echo]

ron weebly?

[storm wharf]

so a 1911 deals roughly the same damage as an unmodded lex

[tall echo]

my lex fires JUSTICE

[storm wharf]

lol

.45acp does 130 damage lol

[ashen pulsar]

and then there's albert's lex

[storm wharf]

bro is packing a lex prime, and we know he had access to a mod segment

[tall echo]

I don't think protokol skins are actually supposed to equate to realistic stuff, and especially not in a "this skin on this weapon means this weapon is now like the thing the skin is based on" way

[storm wharf]

so i highly doubt his shits unmodded

[storm wharf]

sure but the hex use them during the quest

[tall echo]

yea but shouldn't equate skin to weapon it's applied to

[ashen pulsar]

his shit's more than modded. he killed amir through shield gate

/j

[tall echo]

lex just happens to be slow and have a 6 round mag so the revolver skin fits it best

[storm wharf]

the lex also makes the same sounds as the identical revolver in dark sector

i understand your point but i like powescaling and this is the closest real world tie we got lol

[storm wharf]

wait he shot amir i thought bro had a speedster induced stroke or some shit lol

i thought he shot us lol

[pale cedar]

Amir should have just done a reverse flash on him

[jolly root]

He shot him bud power scaling is hard to do for this game

[pale cedar]

A bullet is still a bullet

[storm wharf]

oh yeah no but again, albrecht had a lex prime and access to a modding segment (thats his backroom after all)

[fast dew]

Oh my god I have something for this

[storm wharf]

think this comic is before they get the full dose tho

[ashen pulsar]

not a bullet when we control them lol

[pale cedar]

Unless you're Nova

[storm wharf]

also scaldra is packing hollvania tech which we can see is cracked

[fast dew]

He. Also just stabbed arthur

[pale cedar]

Thomas check DMs

[fast dew]

With a regular old knife. Switch blade?

[storm wharf]

mods are canon, so who knows whats on that knife

we can make the infantry guns of the grineer hit harder than their rocket launchers

[fast dew]

https://www.tumblr.com/zelterxc/752778652062711808/my-loid-i-only-wish-i-could-have-been-wormy-of?source=share

Eventually

My Loid… I only wish I could have been wormy of you…

-# #warframe #albrecht entrati #blender #3D art #I GUESS. I pulled this outta my ass in like 2 hours #video #music is welcome to kitty city by Cyriak

▶ Play video

Tumblr · Jun 9, 2024, 4:01 AM

Albrecht being a worm is a shared sentiment

[pale cedar]

Now we just need to put the 2 side by side

[storm wharf]

so if .45 acp produces 360 ft/lbs of force

or about 488 joules

and the lex hits for 130 damage

a point of damage is about 3.75j of energy

ok so when our guns are hitting millions of damage thats around the force of a 120mm tank round

[jolly root]

That makes sense

[tall echo]

both

[storm wharf]

oh lol

[tall echo]

skin =/= weapon it's applied to

I doubt the hex weapons are on par with orokin-era guns

[storm wharf]

sure but a lot of things line up (webly VI is a british service revolver, which lettie and arthur are, lex makes the same sounds as the same revolver in dark sector)

[storm wharf]

i mean scaldra does

[tall echo]

in gameplay

[storm wharf]

weapons juiced with hollvania tech are a cut ambove most guns

[storm wharf]

in stats, look at the scaldra guns we get lol

[tall echo]

even in gameplay scaldra guns are kinda crap compared to many similar weapons

[tall echo]

that
is gameplay

[storm wharf]

also worth noting entrati also i think leaked some tech into hollvania which probably explains why they are advanced

[storm wharf]

oh thought you meant the units mb

[storm wharf]

orokin guns are meant to have mods, which exponentially boost power, and the lex is a fairly basic sidearm compared to the much more powerful higher mastery guns; you would not be handing incredibly powerful guns to fresh on the field soldiers, tenno or not

[tall echo]

ok?

[storm wharf]

so they prolly churn out less powerful but no less effective weapons for the lower ranks, comparable to older generations of guns, which is a practice we see the orokin use

they have access to person-level jade light weapons, but probably dont mass produce them for obvious reasons

[tall echo]

that's not relevant to the initial topic

[storm wharf]

you said hex guns wouldnt be on par with orokin tech

im saying its possible the orokin simply made less complex guns for their starter troops

[tall echo]

complexity doesn't equal power

ugh, I hate powerscaling

[storm wharf]

ah sorry lol

i adore it

theres no good 1-1s in warframe so finding one is fun to me

[strange turtle]

Where’d you get the bit about Eximus being pirated warframe tech from?

[storm wharf]

thats the lore

[tall echo]

source

[storm wharf]

the abilities are all from warframes and we get explicit confirmation that jade light eximus units were made using jade's bits

and like barely any of them

[tall echo]

so the source is senator armstrong with a side of "it applies to one so it must apply to all"

[storm wharf]

nvm wiki says corpus units just have cool tech and the grineer/infested are mutations

[storm wharf]

while i definitley did not check sources at first at least i based it on fairly sound logic

but yes i fully admit i was wrong here lol

[tall echo]

wiki

[storm wharf]

wiki, sourcing the devs

[strange turtle]

Wiki isn’t a reliable source, but yeah, according to DE the eximi are just “built different”

[storm wharf]

i mean its a better source than none and they do good work over there

[tall echo]

orokin archives.

[storm wharf]

is that a site?

[strange turtle]

Yes

[storm wharf]

link?

[strange turtle]

https://www.orokinarchives.com

It’s a fair bit behind because it’s mostly just one guy running things but it’s fully sourced and distinguishes theories and interpretation from the factually known information

The wiki also does that but not consistently

[storm wharf]

Oh neat

[strange turtle]

It’s also a more reliable source of quotes and transcripts, since it doesn’t do whatever the wiki does that makes those pages implode on certain devices and browsers

[ashen pulsar]

oh yeah my phone does that

[storm wharf]

which wiki fo yall use

or dislike using rathe

i use wiki.warframe

[ashen pulsar]

The fandom wiki is outdated and unreliable, so probably the good one

the keles and kuva keles pages are still up

[loud token]

https://wiki.warframe.com/

We were coincidentally just yapping about wikis in general

[storm wharf]

Ye this one is i use

helps me know numbers on things

[pale cedar]

I wonder why fandom can't just be deleted yet

It's not worth it having 2

[storm wharf]

i think fandom might be its own organization...?

[pale cedar]

Yeah, but the fandom wiki was made by DE

As was new one

[storm wharf]

oh this one?

[sleek berry]

Tough subject for some, Trauma Bonding.

I was using the PIM System and Roathe had an interesting pov on The Lotus (Natah/Margulis). Roathe suggests we should be wary of her, not in the way you are wary of an enemy but wary of her in the way of knowing someone who is impressionable.

There is a dialogue option you can select that reads like a Trauma Bonded person's response to me. I don't have the quote on me, but it leads me to believe we really are going down that Trauma rabbit hole hard.

[somber beacon]

But "Everyone is bulletproof to 9mm." 🤣

[pale cedar]

Until they're not

[somber beacon]

It actually was a quote from https://m.youtube.com/shorts/Ix-U4Ld4oj0 meant as a joke

[jolly root]

Eh true but rather trust her then roathe

[storm wharf]

i mean roathe... has a point, to an extent. the lotus has more than once completely pivoted her stance at incredibly crucial moments, solely due to personal interests

and she is currently the head of an unquestioning host of super soldiers

[restive river]

Her personal interests are primarily regarding keeping the Tenno safe

She isn’t just the leader of the Tenno but their adoptive parent, ofc she’s impressionable on them

[storm wharf]

its not just that

shes taken the form of the figure that this legion of child soldiers were effetively brainwashed to adore and seek affirmation from

[restive river]

She was literally forced into that form

[storm wharf]

children that were ripe for mommy issues

[restive river]

She literally went against her primary goal which was to wipe them out

She chose to be a mother instead

[storm wharf]

i was under the impression she took that form to try and control them

natah is a mimic

[restive river]

Yes
And Ballas programmed her to look like that and to act like Margulis

She was made to infiltrate the tenno and destroy them but she decided to not do that, to go against the plan, against her own family so that she could have children

[storm wharf]

i assumed he caught her trying to do that and took advantage to say "hey new wife"

[restive river]

Nope

He was in on the plan

[storm wharf]

no yeah i know

my assumed order of events was natah tries to imitate margulis, ballas snatches her and rewires her, then uses her as a direct channel to contact hunhow to say "hey man, if you want to kill the tenno, i can help you do that, but i want in"

[restive river]

She only imitates Margulis because of Ballas iirc

[storm wharf]

that makes sense considering the only way she or hunhow knew they existed was from ballas' info

[restive river]

Point is
She went against that plan, against destroying the Tenno and against her original family to be a mother
She always tries to have the Tenno’s safety in mind

[storm wharf]

but roathe's point remains, she doomed two separate empires solely based on what she wanted

she may care about us yes, but out of her own desire for motherhood due to her sterility

[restive river]

She doomed one

[storm wharf]

what of the sentients?

[restive river]

Hunhow destroyed the rail

And we don’t really know what’s up with them now

[loud token]

Aren't the sentients chilling on Tau

[restive river]

We don’t actually know but likely yes
They went radio silent so

[storm wharf]

but assumedly the plan was to take the origin system when the orokin got wiped no?

[loud token]

I'm pretty sure the sentients just wanted freedom from the orokin for the most part

[restive river]

I don’t recall the exact plan between Hunhow and Ballas but it may have been to just leave eachother alone, leave Ballas the Origin System and the Sentients get Tau

[storm wharf]

mmm

but hunhow was on our side of the rail lol

[restive river]

They wanted Tau for themselves
Their mistake was killing innocent civilians and lumping all humanity into the Orokin category

[restive river]

Yes
And he destroyed our side of the rail.

The Tau side is likely still intact

[loud token]

Ahh war my most hated thing

[storm wharf]

i still think roathe has a valid point, several times Natah has just done what she wanted because "i just think theyre neat"

[restive river]

Again, her primary goal is to keep the Tenno safe

[storm wharf]

yes

a couple hundred, thousand or so kids, at the cost of billions

[restive river]

Cost of billions?

Her other goal is to keep balance in the system

[storm wharf]

over a dozen planets heirarchy collapsed

the orokin empire was built on the people on top calling the shots

[restive river]

Eh, the Orokin being destroyed was a good thing

Also not even her plan

The Orokin classiside was Ballas’ plan, not hers

[storm wharf]

i mean what do you think hunhows plan was gonna be after the orokins best fighters were dead

[restive river]

Take over the system?

[storm wharf]

and prolly kill the orokin lol

[restive river]

I’m not sure what your thought process is here
She wasn’t making the decisions

[restive river]

The plan was for the Orokin to be killed via the Tenno and then the Tenno would be killed

All but Hildryn

[loud token]

Regardless of her initial reasoning (desiring motherhood), at the end of the day she protected children that she was told to kill just because of what side they were unfortunately forced on, which id argue makes her pretty trustworthy

[storm wharf]

lol

[storm wharf]

it also says shes ruled by her own emotions and perspective, not the traits i want on someone who weilds unshakable control of thousands of god soldiers

[restive river]

She’s far more trustworthy than most

[restive river]

Better than literally any Orokin

[storm wharf]

also again she is a machine and has been hacked before

[restive river]

When was she hacked?

She was manipulated by Ballas, not hacked

[storm wharf]

oh i assumed she got hacked by him

[restive river]

Hunhow at most tried to reconnect to her since by technicality she’s a part of him

[restive river]

Nah he’s just manipulative

He manipulated Erra too

[storm wharf]

erras like

dumb tho lol

[restive river]

Yeah lol

[loud token]

It's her intent that I care about. Who knows, maybe her choices resulted in more loss (which we don't actually know). But her intent is what makes her trustworthy in my book

[storm wharf]

also to be clear

the tenno followed a pngtuber of her for a while

[restive river]

For a brief while Ordis used a stand in yes

The Tenno are physically, which includes their brains, still children

[storm wharf]

absolutely

which is why the best way to command them is weaponize their trauma and preexisting brainwashing

[normal mountain]

He didn't need to hack her
He pretty much had access to her source code from day one, if the Vitruvian bp is any indication

[restive river]

Which she doesn’t do

[storm wharf]

like i dont think theres any records of a single rogue tenno, which tells me there is very little free will involved

rell doesnt count he was out of the batch from the jump

[pale cedar]

All Tenno went rouge on blue people

[normal mountain]

Still no records of him tho

[restive river]

Or it tells you they didn’t rebel fully from their adoptive mother because the Tenno are an honor bound culture

[storm wharf]

rogue under the lotus' control lmao

[storm wharf]

yeah, brainwashing

[restive river]

Also Rell wasn’t due Lotus

[restive river]

[storm wharf]

no yea i know

[restive river]

It’s not like the Tenno were asleep in a dream and forgot who they were or anything
No
It’s brainwashing
:p

[strange plinth]

why would they rebel anyway

[pale cedar]

They went rouge against the Orokin under Lotus’s command due to Ballas reprogramming

[storm wharf]

thats my point

under the lotus's rule, there have been exactly zero counts of tenno doing their own thing and disobeying orders

[pale cedar]

Fun time

[restive river]

Until sometime after the Old Peace Margulis was still in control
After that we enter the dream
Margulis is dead
Natah becomes Lotus
And the rest is history

[strange plinth]

you can disobey direct orders from lotus during vor's prize and war within

[storm wharf]

removing context of memories you have is literally brainwashing

[loud token]

Yeah life under spacemom seems a lot more free than under the seven

[storm wharf]

?

[restive river]

And that wasn’t Lotus
That was Margulis
Who we know wasn’t all that

[loud token]

Also grustag three, you can ignore her order to extract!

[storm wharf]

but theres no evidence of a tenno acting alone as like a warlord which they absolutely could

[restive river]

Because they were in the dream?

Also why would the tenno be a warlord?

[strange plinth]

during vor's prize, lotus urges you to leave the ship immediately because of the ascaris. you can disobey to kill everyone on the ship and prevent it from reaching a colony
in war within, lotus tries to keep you away from the grineer queen asteroid base, and you can go straight in anyway
but you can also listen to her in both situations

[storm wharf]

ok so

tangent to make my logic make sense

anyone here play destiny? i assume theres other refugees here lol

[celest needle]

Why does the lotus get scared of the grustag, yet is just fine with sending us on a lich mission like it's another mission?

[restive river]

I didn’t lol

[restive river]

Prep time

[storm wharf]

in destiny, we are told that before the city, guardians set themselves up as warlords in the post apocalypse

[loud token]

Even though we were used as weapons by evil blue people, we are still children who wanna do the right thing

[pale cedar]

And this isn't Destiny

[restive river]

Cause of our trauma and the Tenno being about honor to some extent

[storm wharf]

sure but a full 100% statistic, based on humans being morally good, is dubious to me

[pale cedar]

We wouldn't be Warlords because we’d be like the Orokin

[restive river]

The Tenno kinda as a whole have also trauma bonded, they’re one giant family
Lotus is the mother of that family

[storm wharf]

not if we didnt rememer them due to the second dream

[strange plinth]

a rogue tenno would also get hunted down by the rest, no?

[storm wharf]

or perhaps some tenno didnt mind the orokin

[celest needle]

Chroma?

[loud token]

Also what about the acolytes? Do we know if they're tenno? If so that is a perfect example of some going rogue

[pale cedar]

Clans are canon with leaders but no town control or anything like that

[restive river]

Wasn’t controlled by a tenno iirc

[restive river]

We have nothing on them but they may be like Stalker

[pale cedar]

Their only lore is that they follow Stalker

[storm wharf]

they seem to be either rogue warframes (have their parts) or just weebs

[celest needle]

Stalkers adopted children

[loud token]

We need more acolyte lore :(

[normal mountain]

Nope
We don't know exactly what was up with Chroma, but he was not under Tenno command

[celest needle]

They can go into 1999 I don't think they can follow the lore

[storm wharf]

also consider this

[restive river]

He knew he wanted children but couldn’t exactly place why
Then Jade Shadows happened

[storm wharf]

the one tenno outside the lotus' control

[strange plinth]

would be kinda hard not to, considering everything they did
yuvan theater, abandoning the zariman, executing margulis, etc

[pale cedar]

Maybe Chroma was hacked by a Sentient

[storm wharf]

had a full ass cult around him

[restive river]

So infestation or the sentient pelt me thinks

[celest needle]

Hacking a person?

[normal mountain]

Yeah

[pale cedar]

Hacking the tech in the person

[normal mountain]

Warframes are 99% braindead
Wouldn't be hard

[restive river]

He’s wearing a Sentient as a pelt and he’s infested
He’s looking mighty hackable

[loud token]

I think if you scan chroma it's labeled as infested during that quest

[restive river]

I believe so yes

[loud token]

So maybe just an abandoned frame, being hijacked by infested

[celest needle]

Mainly so it attacks you and not the other infested

[loud token]

Is that Rells fault though?

[restive river]

The deacons were labeled as infested for some reason for a while

[strange plinth]

the mesa from patient zero is properly controlled by infestation, the chroma could be
but also like. warframes are just infestation anyway

[celest needle]

The oculyst with a joystick on Lua:

[restive river]

No lol

[loud token]

Rell just was the goat who stepped up

[hollow blaze]

Would Rell count as a rouge tenno? I'd think technically yes, he has a Warframe and WAS tenno.

[normal mountain]

I distinctly remember him attacking Infested units
Though it's been a while since I played The New Strange

[restive river]

Oh it could be that Mesa and Chroma were gen 1 frames and fell to the infestation

[loud token]

Not his or Lotus' fault the red veil are the way they are

[strange plinth]

rell had better things to do than micromanage the red veil

[normal mountain]

Chroma, yes
Mesa was entirely Alad's doing though

[restive river]

No, he wasn’t acting against the Tenno in any way and he was only kicked out because Margulis was probably ableist

The whole him blinding her isn’t confirmed, heck in the Second Dream we say we blinded her (we as in the tenno)

[storm wharf]

It’s not but clearly a warframe can gain significant political power off of just existing

Imagine if a warframe actually wanted to dominate a region

[hollow blaze]

protea elected to corpus board. make it happen.

[restive river]

They kinda can’t though
A gen 1 frame will just go mad eventually
And a gen 2 frame is controlled by a tenno, which we have established are not warlords

[normal mountain]

I don't think Margulis kicked him out herself, tbh
Iirc, none of the other Tenno really liked him
So I'd bet it was more the Tenno who gave him the boot

[ashen pulsar]

gen 1 frames don’t necessarily go mad, do they?

[storm wharf]

The second point I just find hard to believe

Because the only way you get a 100% homogenized mentality is brainwashing

[restive river]

Actually the only time a Tenno is called a warlord is in relation to clans and I wanna say that may have related more towards the PvP aspect like
We have our own regions and fought but only each other

[strange plinth]

combination of infested madness and wanting to rebel against the orokin
kullervo's crimes mention both separately

[celest needle]

I wonder if you dumped the Stalker into duviri?

[pale cedar]

There's like only one mention of a clan in lore on a sword

[normal mountain]

Dante probably could have
But that ain't his style

[ashen pulsar]

is that a guaranteed?

[pale cedar]

Dante would've eventually

[loud token]

So when we rebuild them are we technically upgrading the schematics to allow gen 1 frames to be piloted, or was that always possible but they also can act alone?

[restive river]

Or if you actually looked at the Tenno’s situation you’d understand that it’s not brainwashing
Shared trauma resulting in a lot of empathy
Forced to fight under the Orokin
Then being in the dream with their traumas hidden away
All wrapped up into a self-made culture based on honor

Heck you even know the Tenno have free will, WE express it multiple times.

[pale cedar]

Not all went mad straight away
Some it took time

[ashen pulsar]

we mimic gen 1 frames with gen 2 tech I think

[opaque kestrel]

pretty sure it is, i think the only two we know somewhat about (actual lore) being rhino and kullevro and they both went mad

[storm wharf]

I’m not saying it wouldn’t be the vast majority. I just strongly believe against a 100% statistic, especially on the concept of human morality

[ashen pulsar]

except umbra, he’s weird

[restive river]

I think we’re technically upgrading them, I theorize the frames minds get subdued when a bolt is installed and every frame we make is automatically installed with a bolt
The only exception being Umbra who specifically has a special bolt

[loud token]

That would explain how without Tenno names being present a lot of times we just refer to the frames in lore as the frame name. Never knew there was a difference

[pale cedar]

He's the same but different

[ashen pulsar]

we know about a lot of them, but I think most of the ones we know about were/are crazy

[restive river]

And you have literally been told that we have gone against her wishes
We have rebelled against her
Not in a major way, sure, but that’s because we’re not stupid

[loud token]

Omg that also explains rhinos codex entry, I'm so dumb

[pale cedar]

Umbra is sentient like any frame due to his motivation and maybe a mix of emotions

All frames can act on their own with enough reason

[ashen pulsar]

yeah, those were the frames not us

[storm wharf]

It’s also an interesting that some of the mechanically strongest frames were sentient ones. Kullervo, Jade, dagath, Dante…

[restive river]

Any frame that was gen 1 was sapient at one point in time though

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t think it’s just because of that, I think part of it has to do with the technology used on him

[restive river]

I think that’s more coincidence than like
Actually anything lol

[storm wharf]

Prolly lol

[pale cedar]

I did say same but different
The tech forcing him to have a burning memory gave him the motivation

[loud token]

Is it safe to assume most frames with pre established lore are gen 1?

[storm wharf]

Still judging by how my kullervo cuts down the prime vanguard imagine if the mass produced him

[ashen pulsar]

that’s because probably at least 70% of the frames we have were gen 1

[restive river]

That’d be a lotta Ballas likers…

[ashen pulsar]

yep

[storm wharf]

? Kullervo was anti orokin

[loud token]

That explains a lot of my confusion over the years

Damn maybe I should read more

[restive river]

For the most part
Iirc some are said to have Tenno
Like you can’t say Mirage was for sure a gen 1 cause her story involves her Tenno dying

[pale cedar]

Gen 1’s were rounded up and killed

[storm wharf]

Half kullervos crimes were treason and sabotage lol

[restive river]

He had a crush on Ballas tho too

[storm wharf]

Not ballas, his father, another of the seven

[restive river]

No
He had a crush on Ballas

[loud token]

I mean who doesn't wanna dabble in a lil orokin sabotage

[storm wharf]

Source?

[strange plinth]

tried to win an executor's favor, then tried and failed to kill them later, the warden is ballas and speaks as if the executor is him

[storm wharf]

The executor was his father

[restive river]

Not

Literally

[storm wharf]

From what i remember hearing In life he was a bastard child of an executor and an archemedian, who they gave to the Dax to avoid scandal

[restive river]

Ballas is the father of many many Warframes because he designed them

[celest needle]

Qorvex:

[tall echo]

that's
some real senator armstrong stuff

[loud token]

Straight from da wiki

[restive river]

I said many
Not all

[tall echo]

ew wiki

[restive river]

I would largely stay away from the Wiki for lore, they have a tendency to make things up and not source it :p

[celest needle]

True
But Albrecht was pretty bad at making elegant frames

[strange plinth]

"You, Kullervo, thought an Executor's favour was a thing to be stolen and worn. You spilled precious Orokin blood – before seeking the Executor out for approval. Hated Kullervo, did you truly believe he could love you? You are, forevermore, a low murderer."
"As the Empire burned, you found the one Executor you coveted and despised most. You presumed to raise your foul hand against him. One of the Seven. But he did not die so readily as you had hoped. Thus I lay upon your wretched head your ultimate crime: Attempted Regicide. And with it your punishment, and the Executor's eternal vengeance."

[loud token]

It's the official wiki tho

[storm wharf]

Dog I’m in my car rn I can’t pull up sources out of nowhere, do you want the video I watched???

[restive river]

Idk the Vessels are p elegant

[loud token]

I assumed it was vetted on lore, my b

[tall echo]

officially recognized but still run by the same ppl as fandom

[restive river]

Doesn’t mean they have the lore bible

[loud token]

Ohhhhh

[pale cedar]

Nothing suggests his father was one of the 7

[restive river]

It’s a common and easy mistake, you’re good

[storm wharf]

I’m not saying everything I’m saying is right, if you have a better source than please provide, but if not don’t be shouting me down for no reason

[celest needle]

Well they're just people tbf

I wonder how Qorvex prime will look like?

[loud token]

They just separated from fandom cause the CEO stuff I assume then

[restive river]

Obols EVERYWHERE

[restive river]

Also Fandom is just genuinely terrible

[loud token]

Entrati loves his obols

[pale cedar]

I doubt Kullervo would have even been a frame if his father was of the 7

[strange plinth]

'executor's eternal vengeance' sounds like it lines up with 'taunted by his voice forever'

[restive river]

Toxic yaoi

[storm wharf]

https://youtu.be/Gu1_kJdC4Xs?si=EolHEdCRlEZSmnYD

[celest needle]

Imagine being the poor grineer having to build his labs

[tall echo]

loretuber

[storm wharf]

If he was a bastard conceived with a lower class? A lot of political mishaps end up on ballas’ operating table

[pale cedar]

Nothing suggests he was

[loud token]

Why is it always toxic yaoi in Warframe XD

[tall echo]

because the toxic yuri supply is being used up by everyone else

[storm wharf]

God forbid I not be as well read as others

[restive river]

Now did you watch this or look it up?
I’m also not sure how much you should trust really any loretuber, even he has said some wild theories

[loud token]

You might be onto something

[tall echo]

I always am

[restive river]

We have wholesome yuri dw
Gara and Unum
Which
Actually that’s doomed nvm

[storm wharf]

Watched, I like this guy :(

[tall echo]

or AM?

[restive river]

Octavia and Banshee though!

[loud token]

Doomed yuri

[restive river]

He has good anaylsis but I’ve seen him just claim things that make no sense
Aka
Thrax being our brother LOL

[tall echo]

general rule is to trust loretubers as far as you can throw a solid 1x1x1 meter tungsten cube

[woven coyote]

Thats the loretuber that focuses on irl references and connections rather than lore tho

[pale cedar]

I don't like Socra he isn't very good at actual lore logic always adding weird theories

[storm wharf]

Is that a terrible take?

[woven coyote]

Very

[restive river]

Yes
It’s also just wrong lol

[tall echo]

(which is to say better keep even your feet away)

[woven coyote]

We see thrax being created in the last diorama of the quest

[restive river]

He’s very good at analysis, not so much theory

[storm wharf]

Maybe now after new info

[restive river]

No.

[loud token]

I saw the pride art but is there any in game lore? If so I gotta check it out

[tall echo]

always has been since duviri released

[tall echo]

sadly no

[woven coyote]

Not new no straight up last diorama of the quest that introduces him

[restive river]

The whole sibling thing we can have is just character flavor, we can decide to not have a sibling.

[loud token]

Oh wait is it because of sound

[tall echo]

yes

[loud token]

Beautiful

[restive river]

Nothing direct but in my heart of hearts I know the truth

[tall echo]

there's also varzia and maroo

[storm wharf]

Idfk then I guess

[restive river]

OH YEAH

Varzia and Maroo are wholesome yuri!

[loud token]

I've heard that varzia line lol

[restive river]

Maroo was looking for treasure and found the greatest one of all!
A pretty lady :)

[tall echo]

I envy maroo

[tall echo]

a very thirsty pretty lady

[restive river]

She was in cryo tbf

[storm wharf]

Still doesn’t feel great when my thoughts misguided as they may be, get responded to with “damn you’re just making shit up”

By someone outside my f the discussion

[tall echo]

my bluntness takes a lot of getting used to

[restive river]

I mean this is a public server, anyone can join in the discussion whenever

Scrap is very blunt tho

[storm wharf]

That’s not a great excuse for rudeness

[tall echo]

and my typos take some executing

[restive river]

Not an excuse

[storm wharf]

Whiskey is an acquired taste doesn’t mean it tastes good

[tall echo]

if I wanted to be rude you'd know

[storm wharf]

Thanks.

[tall echo]

"senator armstronging" is just a funny haha reference

[woven coyote]

Anyway socratetris isnt a good source for lore because he is focused on the real life inspirations for the themes in game rather than on the game's lore

[celest needle]

What would like actually happen If the Grineer reach their end game?

What them?
Like take over the origin system
Then what?

[tall echo]

(besides I also get meaner to people who can't take my jokes idk why, sorry for that tho)

[restive river]

Then they use all the resources and humanity dies out probably lol

We gotta keep the balance

[storm wharf]

That also belittles what I thought made sense, before going “ew” to my sources without fail because they aren’t screenshots from the game

[pale cedar]

Nothing because I have bullets and bullets kill

[tall echo]

I gotta start adding /j to all my messages

[celest needle]

SP Frost Eximus:

[storm wharf]

That’d help

[tall echo]

people can't read my tone and I do not blame em

[restive river]

A lot of us here are very particular about sources tbf
The wiki is untrustworthy
The loretubers are untrustworthy
There’s a handful of websites that are trustworthy but they are just copy pasting things directly from the game itself

[tall echo]

I suck at tone

[pale cedar]

I never do because I see it as weird

[celest needle]

Is any video game wiki trustworthy?

[woven coyote]

Also if you must use the wiki grab quotes and transcripts not the articles

[storm wharf]

And plus half our lore comes from dark souls item descriptions

[loud token]

But yeah I don't think any tenno would want to go rogue based on our shared experiences

[restive river]

Basically if your source isn’t confirmed to be in the game and isn’t from the devs then it’s likely nothin’

[pale cedar]

If you can't understand the joke
That's your problem not mine

[tall echo]

I generally don't use tone indicators bc idk what 99% of them mean

[pale cedar]

Same

[restive river]

I believe many can be but for mechanical purposes unless the story is really simple

[storm wharf]

Sure but, in my own personal experience, I feel like if you gave godlike power to a child at least one of the thousands is gonna end up a psychopath

[celest needle]

But then what?
No more fighting for them.
They don't have a civilian economy.

[restive river]

Tbh as someone who looks at the lore a lot I don’t look at the item descriptions that much these days

[pale cedar]

Warframe wiki is accurate for gameplay

Orokin Archives is the lore wiki

[restive river]

Tbh I’m not sure they have a proper plan
Their leader is an insane flesh jester lol

[restive river]

You also have the Kimulacrum

[storm wharf]

The grineer queens are orokin high on copium

[loud token]

Aren't the grineer a culture born of literally just being a clone army

[pale cedar]

Don't we just keep the 2 factions fighting each other?

[woven coyote]

We killed the one queen who had a plan and the other doesnt even seem to be in a rush to do anything at all

[restive river]

That’s why they had therapy tho
Heck without the supports we had the Tenno likely would have, they all suffered from the voices

[celest needle]

[loud token]

In a rush to siphon kiva

[hollow blaze]

meanwhile we've done like jack shite against the corpus board directly, whereas we've KILLED a kuva queen

[restive river]

Cloned working class turned military force, eventually ruled over by a pair of Orokin rejects

[pale cedar]

Too bad some stuff on Kim is inaccurate

[celest needle]

Rell got kicked out lol

[restive river]

We made things messier for the board ig with Parvos but he’s just a new problem for us lol

[woven coyote]

Not even that, with how long ago that quest was surely she should have been able to do something by now, it feels like worm is just going through the motions (likely related to being just gameplay tbh)

[restive river]

Cause of Margulis, potentially due to her being ableist

[pale cedar]

There's stuff said that Drifter says that is honestly wrong

[storm wharf]

Therapy under the golden orokin tho lol,

[restive river]

Not that much though, no?
They removed the Nihil Executor line

[celest needle]

:/
I swear to the void

[loud token]

What's the most recent thing she's actually set in motion, going after Voruna?

[woven coyote]

Nothing

[restive river]

Yeah that therapy mostly concluded in hiding away a lot of the trauma lol
But if Old Peace is anything to go off of the Tenno likely did receive some therapy prior to that

[storm wharf]

She’s fending off the legions of Tenno raiding her IV bags for gambling funds

[pale cedar]

Drifter calls Wally an unknowable god which both words are incorrect

[restive river]

If it wasn’t for Margulis the Tenno would be worse off

[woven coyote]

Ye olde orokin therapy technique of sweeping it under the rug

[loud token]

"My siphon! My Kuva! You're messing up all my plans. I don't like it, not one bit!" She just has reaaalllly complex plans and we're messing them up

[restive river]

Oh yeah LOL
Tbh I initially chalked it up as Drifter just dumbing things down but as of the Triad, no they’re just stupid lol

[restive river]

Mmhm!

[celest needle]

500 Kuva liches

[storm wharf]

My point is our “therapy” came at the hands of the same folks who wanted us in the death mechs

I’m sure Shinji in Evangelion got therapy too

[pale cedar]

We have a whole arc about knowing more

[clever linden]

Is there any lore elaboration on why she has siphons that can draw Kuva out of thin air?

[restive river]

Our therapy came from the hand of the woman who took every Tenno in

[celest needle]

Reb?

[restive river]

Drifter’s just dumb lol

[storm wharf]

Who has ties to ballas “get in the robot” orokin

[restive river]

Margulis

[restive river]

She disagreed with having them be soldiers but aight

[loud token]

So Evil Rebb

[woven coyote]

Why? Because the queens are orokin and they need that continuity juice
How? Idk probably records and blueprints of the orokin era

[pale cedar]

Weird thing about that is
She was fine with it in Old Peace

[woven coyote]

Was executed for said disagreement btw

[storm wharf]

Whos lover was ballas “get in the robot” orokin

[loud token]

But yeah, didn't Margulis literally get executed for pissing off Ballbuttass

[restive river]

As Delta just said
She was killed over the disagreement

[strange turtle]

He got upset and lowkey went manic because she prioritised the Tenno

[storm wharf]

She was defending the one that tried to blow up the station

[woven coyote]

Margulis: but they are children
Ballas : you choose them over me?!?!?!? Jade light!!!

[restive river]

She was defending all of the Tenno lol

[pale cedar]

Actually

Is Old Peace replayable yet I didn't keep up with devstreams as I was playing another game

[restive river]

It is!

[pale cedar]

Sweet

[storm wharf]

Sure, but then after that, moms dead, orokin still got a war that needs winning and no mommy to command them

Id say that’s when I’d break out the brainwashing

[celest needle]

Technically? Is ballas a yandere

[loud token]

Margulis may have had problems, but out of everyone in the empire, she had the tenno's best interest in mind

[storm wharf]

No he’s an incel

[celest needle]

Oh right

[pale cedar]

Except Rells

[woven coyote]

If roathe's insight into that trainwreck of a relationship are correct, i think so?

[restive river]

But that’s not what they did
Ballas got Natah in, disguised her as Margulis and his plan was for the Tenno to slaughter the Orokin and then the Tenno themselves would be slaughtered

[loud token]

We hate Margulis for that fr

[restive river]

If the Orokin had the ability to brainwash the Tenno then I don’t think the Night of the Naga drums would have happened :p

[woven coyote]

Fairly sure having a lover completely negates the incel tag

[storm wharf]

Idk would you say Elon musk is an incel

[restive river]

Yes

[celest needle]

Yes

[storm wharf]

I’d say getting women only because you’re rich/powerful does not negate incel tag

Thus ballas remains an incel

[loud token]

Well considering the cel means celibate

[storm wharf]

Dudes got the mindset lol

[restive river]

Ballas did legit love Margulis and it seemed she loved him too
But also he’s Ballas and if she said she loved a stick he’d prob Jade Light it

[woven coyote]

Or her

[restive river]

Hence her being Jade Lighted for protecting the Tenno

[spare holly]

or both

[storm wharf]

See I think ballas loved the concept of margulis

Which is who he was fully chill with subbing in a new one

[celest needle]

I mean she just wanted to take care of children and he frikin smited her

[storm wharf]

He wanted a perfect wife

[strange turtle]

“This ale you got me is so nice Ballas, I love it!”

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/bayle-elden-ring-gif-2450286831942396938

[loud token]

Margulis: "Ballas I don't want you to send the children to war school"
Ballas: 🟩

[celest needle]

Damn the Chroma skin looks fire

[storm wharf]

Also
I feel it necessary to say

I think ballas likes muscle women

My source is the first frame to break the slim lady frame mold was the warframe expressly designed to stand next to him

Maybe margulis also refused to get buff for him

(Mostly a joke lol)

[restive river]

Ok but he did specifically tell Hunhow to leave Hildryn alone in the attack-

that included her Tenno too

[storm wharf]

Yeah cuz she’s he’s personal bodyguard

[restive river]

And cause he’s into muscle women!

[storm wharf]

Ye!

[celest needle]

Have you seen the frame on Khora?

[restive river]

Khora
The frame designed as a memorial to Margulis

Oh that’s why her prime has purple

[loud oriole]

-# okay maybe ballas isnt THAT bad, still bad, but 0.01% less

[storm wharf]

Look at khora then Hildryn tho lol

[loud token]

Ballas was on something when designing this then

[storm wharf]

I definitely think ballas occasionally smoked something while working

[celest needle]

High on self imposed grief and power

[restive river]

We don’t know if this deluxe is canon iirc
But if it was
Yeah he was on something LOL

[loud token]

"Trust me she has to have a big plant butt"

[storm wharf]

“Yeah man trust me, put her on a manta ray skateboard, that’ll show hunhow”

[strange turtle]

Black tar?

[restive river]

Nestlewood

[strange turtle]

As in, the actual substance, not the drug

[loud oriole]

ingested some of the exquisite Orokin "Gold"

[storm wharf]

Some frames are crazy bro

[restive river]

Omg I need to make a Lotus fashion using this skin now 😭
Inspiration hits when you least expect it

[celest needle]

I wonder what poor woman got snatched to make Khora

[restive river]

Ima go fashion
Have fun all

[storm wharf]

“Yo man I just took like a lot of mushrooms what if we turned some kid into a bouncy mushroom child”

[storm wharf]

Judging from dagath, prolly some dax who liked her cat

[loud token]

I'm sure it's a coincidence, but i did just notice how the Margulis memorial frame has a deluxe based on flowers, hmmm 🪷

[celest needle]

“Okay listen the sasuge nipples are IMPORTANT to this Warframes design.”

[loud oriole]

styanax slander 😭

[smoky gulch]

Short question: was Hex finale always available on Rank 3 and just Liked chemistry or were requirements easened after some time?

[celest needle]

It was a conscious choice

[storm wharf]

“Yeah just make him eat people and roll around, it’s gonna be hilarious”

[storm wharf]

One that they doubled down on with the actual piercings on his deluxe lol

[woven coyote]

Always

[celest needle]

“Okay, I know we made all of our other primes these elegant and intricately designed Warframes but let's just color frost black and give him a mask, call it a day.”

[loud token]

The idea is you can finally fight back after you start to care for them

[celest needle]

The power of Friendship

[storm wharf]

“It’s better than the helmet Fred designed him-“

[loud oriole]

that is the true weakness of the indifference

[celest needle]

MLP stomps wally confirmed

[storm wharf]

“So I just finished Clair Obscur and also like a lot of weed, I’ve got a new frame idea” starts planning follie

I will die on the hill that shadowgrapher was made after the dev team played expedition 33

[strange turtle]

Considering some of the bs that supposedly goes on I wouldn’t be surprised if they did regardless

[celest needle]

“Look I know I just got done making a bouncing mushroom guy but make this woman fat as hell, trust me, I know it may not sound like it but it is going to look HOT.”

and he was right

[storm wharf]

“Just make a frame with like dice, idk, get those void devils hooked early amiright”

[high bay]

How similar are the Orokin’s/Warframe’s cephalons to the Imperium of Man’s/WH40K’s servitors?

[storm wharf]

not Very

[loud oriole]

Ballas got drunk one night off some Orokin IPA and fell asleep on the Orokin Ottoman watching ancient western on VHS or something only to wake up and utter; "COWBOY GUNSLINGER WOMAN"

behold Mesa.

[storm wharf]

The Orokin could make AI other than cephalons, that is usually just a punishment/flex of power

[strange turtle]

Not very

[storm wharf]

And cephalons are able to simulate entire realities

[celest needle]

“I just watched this pre-radiation war anime from Jipangu, looks super cool. What if we made her a hot gambling shrine maid?”

[storm wharf]

and like you cant say no to him otherwise you end up as a frame whos kit revolves around shutting up

gauruntee banshee was a member of his staff who wouldnt stop nitpicking and nagging

"this is our new frame banshee, yes she looks a lot like your former coworker janice. any questions"

[strange turtle]

The only real similarity is that it uses people to replace AI/a computer.

Cephalonisation was used as a punishment, but it was an extreme and severe one, as opposed to how casual servitorisation is treated. And it could also be done as a form of honours/treatment

The victim retains conscious thought and and some degree of freedom and full personhood. Servitors can have varying degrees of these but it’s not a guarantee or necessarily stable.

Then there’s the difference in their usage. Cephalons replace AI, while servitors can have basically any role that requires any kind of intelligence or processing.

[storm wharf]

unless you were really cool or really bad

you were prolly just gonna get blasted by the green beam

[loud token]

Suda

[celest needle]

Who could hate Suda?

[loud oriole]

so thankful Ordan Karris didnt get the funky injection and instead got put on a flashdrive

[strange turtle]

“No, there isn’t any specific reason I chose this kid to make the new warframe. What? I don’t see how that Yuvan that mocked me is relevant”

[loud token]

https://tenor.com/view/ordis-warframe-haha-warframe-ordis-warframe-haha-gif-20500297

[loud oriole]

-# though a Beast of Bones frame would be cool..

[storm wharf]

dude thatd be sick

imagine a frame of the dude so efficient the orokin were willing to make him a member (as a bit, mostly, but still)

[celest needle]

“Nihil, I understand you want her executed, but at the same time, it would be really funny if I made her kit revolve around glass.”

[storm wharf]

"you know what would be sick to have as the guardian of the continuity ritual? muscular werewolf mommy. why are you looking at me like that."

[normal mountain]

Revenant Prime shows up on doorstep
"...NOT FUNNY, GUYS."

[storm wharf]

i wanna know what revs kit was pre eidolon

[strange turtle]

Caliban Prime
“….EWWWWW”

[jolly root]

And someone wouldnt comlain

[storm wharf]

to be able to bash it back into the lake solo every night for hundreds of years

[celest needle]

Revanant deploys to Tauron

50 dead sentients

[cosmic badge]

Sentiments

[celest needle]

Jade light

[cosmic badge]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[celest needle]

[storm wharf]

https://klipy.com/gifs/vesuvius-baby-ash

LMAO

[celest needle]

Double kill

[normal mountain]

I imagine it wouldn't take much to just
Slice off energy tendrils

He probably used Tatsu to do it too

[storm wharf]

"what if we made a frame that just like"

"runs really fast. but like more than the last one we did with that"

"turning? no hes designed to ram his head into walls"

[celest needle]

“I find it important we give the gemstone warframe some more anatomy if you get me.”

[normal mountain]

"And have him team up with that hungry monster we made earlier"

[restive river]

It’s so funny to me that Gauss is the speedframe but Volt is faster
Meanwhile Titania lol

THEY SHOULD HAVE CALLED IT DINE AND DASH NOT EAT AND RUN

[celest needle]

“Make the fairy fast as hell, faster then the speed frames I don't care.”

[storm wharf]

titania is like putting a jet in a landspeed race lol

[restive river]

“And give some of these other frames a teleport”

[celest needle]

Dine and Dash is a copyrighted phrase I'm afraid

[storm wharf]

that is so much better

[restive river]

Ah

[storm wharf]

oh lame

[celest needle]

“What if we just let the ink frame summon an rpg from billions of millennia ago? And a lohk surge from the void itself, maybe even a Tenno cryopod.”

[restive river]

I genuinely hate that she has that and that there is zero explanation

Like yes it’s neat but it feels so lazily tacked on :/

[celest needle]

Frame Power creep?

[restive river]

No?
It’s not even her best sketch lol

[strange turtle]

“I assure you, it is essential that the frame we’re going to prank Nitokh’s boytoy and his unit with has the fine motor control to conduct an orchestra with it’s tail”

[restive river]

It’s honestly redundant cause
The barrel

[celest needle]

“Oh man this DJ is killing it at the party! I should really turn him into a Warframe later!”

[clever linden]

Best thing about living in the backrooms: this guy isn’t around to whine about termite shit and dog shit all the time and crash out whenever you use helminth

[desert wigeon]

hey i know this is completely out of pocket but which syndicate do you think fit's a nazgul best?

[misty helm]

A Nazgul? 👀

[strange turtle]

Nazgul like. The Lord of the Rings guys?

[desert wigeon]

lord of the rings, yes

[strange turtle]

And by Syndicate do you mean the base 6 or all of them

[humble sierra]

Copyrighted apparently

[misty helm]

Well, for pointers, the Red Veil is one of the most "evil" leaning syndicates, so probably them

[desert wigeon]

what, theres more then six?

[restive river]

New Loka is pretty evil ngl

[misty helm]

Evil hippies 🔥

[humble sierra]

Theres 6 factions, one of which you can pledge to and have reputation increase with their allies and decrease with their enemies

[restive river]

I would not call them hippies LOL

[humble sierra]

And then there's the other syndicates that give bounties and stuff

[restive river]

New Loka is
Uh
Yeah

[strange turtle]

There’s the 6 relay ones, and then everyone else that you can gain rep with are also considered Syndicates

[ashen pulsar]

I know

[restive river]

Necraloid:

Bro got his own syndicate lol

[desert wigeon]

oh but you don't pledge with them?

[restive river]

You only pledge to the 6 relay ones

[ashen pulsar]

Is necraloid the iso vault one? I haven’t touched him.

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[ashen pulsar]

what does he sell

necramech stuff?

[restive river]

Necramech stuff and some cosmetics iirc

[humble sierra]

Yeah and also the Sporothrix and Arum Spinoza now

[desert wigeon]

well that aside, yeah i was thinking red veil too. just wanted to make sure i wasn't getting any lore wrong or missed one

[restive river]

Are the Nazgul more chaotic fire purge the unpure or are they more of an analog to a certain group of hateful individuals

[storm wharf]

Nah more just Sauron’s hit squad

[restive river]

Sounds more Red Veil then if they’re just about murder for the sake of murder

[storm wharf]

Sorry I missed all of the convo how are they related lol

[desert wigeon]

yeah, i guess they would reflect his ideals more? i'm pretty sure their enslaved to him by force

[storm wharf]

They’re nine, or rather eight mortal kings who fell to the power of his rings, and one uber crackhead called the witch king

[storm wharf]

Corruption. He gave them power, and they fell into that trap

[ashen pulsar]

red veil isn’t about that tho

[desert wigeon]

ethier way, they do it because thats what saruon wants right?

[ashen pulsar]

Red Veil is more about murder “for the greater good”

[misty helm]

I wouln't doubt some of them are there for that same reason; the "fighting to clean the system" is just an excuse to go bananas

[desert wigeon]

sounds like there isn't much lore on the red veil*?

[restive river]

Ah yes
Dissecting a Grineer while they’re alive is for the greater good

[restive river]

There isn’t that much on most of the syndicates tbh

The relay ones at least

Only recently did we get new Arbiter lore

[ashen pulsar]

there’s a main quest on them
but yeah not much else

[strange turtle]

There’s a quest that includes them, Chains of Harrow, and they’re involved in a special type of Rescue mission later in the star chart, but apart from that yeah

[misty helm]

Yeah. Specially when you get some Red Veil fellas for your Railjack; their personalities don't strike exactly as the kind of person that actively works for "the greater good". Most of them act and sound like a trigger-happy bunch than anything else.

[restive river]

New Loka is related to a quest too
Suda as well but she’s less an entire syndicate and more one person lol

[restive river]

The red veil are just anarchists tbh

The blood and fire and guts kind

They are very edgy lol

Sigil names such as cut and blade or whatever lol

[misty helm]

Not even that, tho; anarchism is the lack of government and thus* self-governing. For that sake, even us the Tenno are anarchist; we don't have a governing element and we're basically self-ruled

[restive river]

That’s why I specified they’re the blood and fire everywhere kind
What people think anarchists to all be when they aren’t

Also yeah the Tenno are weird
We would technically be anarchist cause we don’t follow a government but we do follow our parental figure
Meanwhile the Tenno also just have their own culture and everything lol
We’re such an odd little sect of humanity

[strange turtle]

Blades, Cull, Threat, Maelstrom, Lesion, Ruin, Viscera, Malevolent, Covert and Assassin

A couple seem out of place icl

[restive river]

It’s so edgy and then kinda becomes normal lol

[desert wigeon]

well to be honest, i don't think( correct me if i'm wrong) there's that much lore on nazgul either. i'm just trying to make a nazgul look out of nekros and make it make sense

[restive river]

Might just wanna go off visual vibes then

[misty helm]

Yeah! Which is even more weird, or ironic even... is the fact apparently some portion of the system see the Tenno as an almost governing faction. Like what Zorba mentions; some of them thought the Tenno would come to rule as "gods".

Se we're like... space police, or something?

[desert wigeon]

in that case, they may be green but red veil will have to do

[ashen pulsar]

it’s kinda odd that a group of kids just became their own culture

[tall echo]

what

[restive river]

Ok well that’s kinda just the Arbiters tbh, they think the Tenno should reach their potential lol

[ashen pulsar]

you would think they’d be more orokin, but no, things can just be innately “tenno”

[desert wigeon]

at least in some versions, nazgul are green

[tall echo]

they're
noncorporeal

[restive river]

We’re like a kinder offshoot of both the Orokin and Dax cultures

[desert wigeon]

well, green energy i meant

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/green-ninjago-ninja-sensei-sensei-wu-gif-6467414812525449281

[restive river]

Scrap’s favorite color

Source: the amount of times they’ve used that gif

[ashen pulsar]

the “tenno operative” in survival isn’t actually a tenno either, right? there are people aligned w the tenno faction that aren’t tenno.

[misty helm]

Something that strikes me weird, is the lack of a Tenno-enemy. Like, a Tenno simply not following the rest and actually wishing to rule over the system, just like the Orokin wished to; we're human after all. I guess it could potentially be a thing in the far future.

[restive river]

Yup!
You can see them in the railjack

[ashen pulsar]

oh right

[restive river]

Technically any faction that allies with the Tenno could be under the Tenno umbrella

[ashen pulsar]

wonder how long the “tenno” culture existed without the tenno

[smoky gulch]

Seemingly Tenno faction is ragtag of neutrals that band under Tenno protection - in relays

[desert wigeon]

sigh, okay fine i admit it. i'm only talking about the shadow of war ones.

[smoky gulch]

Well, depends on what Lotus was doing all this time between Fall and start of the game

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/baba-is-you-baba-is-true-baba-true-babaistrue-gif-17288394516787552782

[restive river]

Not that weird at all
They saw what that power does to someone and they dealt with them accordingly
Plus all the Tenno are dealing with shared trauma and they all share a parental figure
Also being a somewhat honor-bound culture
An evil Tenno just doesn’t make much sense

[smoky gulch]

Might be that some Tenno were sleep walking their warframes for thousands of years under Lotus command, creating culture of rarely seen Warframed protectors

[glacial bough]

Not really possible

[restive river]

Most if not all Tenno disappeared after the Orokin were dealt with

[fast dew]

• an evil tenno would be. A very dumb tenno 😭

They'd be cut off from literally all their resources

[restive river]

How to have your own family turn on you in .1 seconds
Act like an Orokin

[smoky gulch]

Right, the part I wasn't too sure on

[strange turtle]

And even if anyone tried, they’d probably have just been ganked by the rest because of the reasons you mentioned + letting one go free and disloyal is just bad for rep

[ashen pulsar]

“you cannot kill the devi-
“YES YOU CAN GANG UP ON EM BEAT EM UP”

[desert wigeon]

anyway, on what your talking about. i wonder ( if they ever) how their going to make sense of all this by the end. really hope their not trying to run to hard with lore that was broken from the start

[ashen pulsar]

-2.14B

[restive river]

Yup
Not only does it not make sense but they’d be dealt with fast

[fast dew]

Reckon that's a thing parents tell their kids in the current day?
"Timmy!!! Stop acting like an orokin >:["

[restive river]

LMAO I HOPE SO

[restive river]

Wdym?

[ashen pulsar]

stop being so orokin, dude

[fast dew]

Nora gets told. Stories about nihil when she was young, so. Close enough

[ashen pulsar]

it’s just slang for bossy

or spoiled

[fast dew]

Bengel turned to Orokin/j

[restive river]

Oh true he was basically a boogeyman story

[fast dew]

Ik its not a one to one translation shush

[fast dew]

He. is scary, to literally anyone who existed at the time of the orokin empire, even to other orokin i wanna say

His cephalon program was the worst of the worst

[desert wigeon]

well a lot of what ya'll saying sounds like the lore for tenno is messy and doesn't make a lot of sense. am i getting it wrong?

[restive river]

Nobody wants to become a cephalon

[restive river]

I’d say you’re getting it wrong

[fast dew]

And now he's in our orbiter and yaps to us every time we poke him

[desert wigeon]

just vage then?

[restive river]

One of Warframe’s many strong attributes is the narrative

[restive river]

Just vague yeah

[fast dew]

He has a line where he. Hums and it sounds. Vaguely nice

Then he ruins it by speaking

Wonder if the wiki actually. Has it now

[restive river]

My friend who’s a baby tenno got his bottle and loves tapping on his glass
They know about the Orokin lol

[fast dew]

Thats so real

Sitting down and poking him all day

[restive river]

They got him right next to the market lol

[fast dew]

I have mine right next to nightwave

And across from. Ticker

[dry oracle]

What if socrates appears in warframe

[tall echo]

the philosopher?

[fast dew]

Go my nihil

[misty helm]

Well, Ash led a cult of assasins and we also have examples of Tenno acting like douchebags by only having a look at Rell's story; even the comic has some Zariman kids refusing to help him out... So either those people magically turned good by some sort of hive-mind or collective drive to share the same moral values as everybody else... or the recipy for "rebellion" will always be there. It's not like the promise of ostracization always stopped people from doing bad stuff.

I do see the obvious difficulty of even beginning to write an "evil Tenno" or a group of them...

[restive river]

I mean the shared trauma and everything that followed def helped
But I also wouldn’t call the Tenno good, they’ve always been fairly gray
My point is they wouldn’t do what the Orokin did

[clever linden]

Correct me if I’m wrong but

Did Roathe support the Orokin purge because he believed that he could guide the survivors for good purposes? But Albrecht interrupted his plan by injuring him and that’s why he hates him?

[misty helm]

Humans will always be humans; unless the Tenno are magically immune and completely free of any of our most negative traits somehow, it's not such a farfetched possibility than someone will wish to chase the fruit.

[restive river]

Also I’m not 100% sure if we know if Ash had a tenno in his leverian story, unsure though

[misty helm]

IIRC he had some curious reaction to the young assasins that are mentioned as protagonist of the leverian; it was probably a Tenno

[restive river]

It is farfetched when we actually look at the Tenno and what they did
They’re not free of negative traits but they’re not going to be like the Orokin

With everything the Tenno went through, when they went through it and what they’ve gone through, let alone the connections they have I think an “evil” tenno is incredibly farfetched
They’ve seen the Orokin, Grineer and Corpus and the Tenno still choose to fight for civilians

[misty helm]

I wish we had a clearer picture of exactly what happend during the fall of the Empire; that would clear so many questions

[glacial bough]

No, he planned to replace the Seven with himself, but then was going to be put on trial for the Old War until Albrecht offered him an out

[restive river]

Like what?

[restive river]

Do you mean for Nitokh’s plan, not the Old War?
Or do you mean restarting the war?

[clever linden]

Did he know that House Entrati was surviving everything by virtue of not getting involved?

[glacial bough]

He didn't care about Entrati at all

And they weren't uninvolved, they just did what they do best and was on research an development

[misty helm]

What exactly triggered it* and how it all exactly transpired, specially the Night of the Naga Drums and the inmediate aftermath.

[restive river]

From what I recall, the massacre was Ballas’ plan originally
The Night of the Naga Drums was to celebrate the end of the war
And the aftermath was the empire being destabilized and the system being in chaos which. Yeah duh
The Corpus and Grineer then butt heads til we come along
Teshin’s in there somewhere doing his own thing
And Ordis splinters himself

[stiff fable]

Yeah, we basically know the whole story

Unless DE pulls another Uno reverse card and there's a huge extra part to the story I guess

[restive river]

I mean the most recent one was learning that Teshin was just doin’ stuff

Iirc the Thornback has related lore?
And that recently once again Gunblade looks similar

[stiff fable]

(it was kinda implied by his Conclave syndicate dialogue tbh)

[restive river]

Oh was it, nice

There’s also the Ostron lore, iirc they migrated to be with the Unum between the collapse and the awakening

[stiff fable]

Yeah he mentions being away and we forgot the Conclave and blah blah blah no one does Conclave

As before once more

[restive river]

I think the one thing we don’t know as much about is what mom was up to
But I may be wrong

She might have just been in standby mode lol

[lean garden]

not 100% but its more than likely

[stiff fable]

She was on Lua

While it was in the Void

[restive river]

Well yeah but doin’ what

[stiff fable]

Chamber of the Lotus and all that

[restive river]

Yeah lol

But was she just watching the system or?

[stiff fable]

I would guess that there were Tenno who weren't in Lua

[restive river]

Maybe she was playing War Sector

[stiff fable]

Haha

And others who were in Lua but never went into stasis

Actually that is a big missing story chunk

[restive river]

Presumably Ballas was in cryo there
In secret

[stiff fable]

Two in fact

Why Lotus did that

It screwed over both Ballas and Hunhow's plans

If I haaaaad to guess it's also the story of how she met our smiling friend

[glacial bough]

Not really a question, it's because she's part Margulis

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-wally-wall-warframe-wally-slay-gif-17731710966554021720

[restive river]

I don’t recall what it was now but something had mentioned Lua being veiled during the empire?
Which
They did just have that tech lol

[stiff fable]

Right it was a tech system

You turn off the Orokin power generator keeping it there

[restive river]

Something about the compasses too

I just saw a friend play it I should recall more lol

[stiff fable]

Presumably the lanthorns?

[restive river]

Yeah probably

Gotta orient relative to realspace

Or normal space
Forgot Lotus calls it normal space

[stiff fable]

So yeah I'd like to see that

[restive river]

I wonder what something coming out of the void like that looks like
I would presume like the Zariman, but it didn’t exit the same way exactly

[stiff fable]

That's a great question haha

[left parrot]

Question: do we know what kind or what are the Warframes that was mixed with Xaku?

[stiff fable]

No

There were never any plans to describe them, since the entire point is that they were forgotten

(having said that some of the fan concepts are cool)

Also since Xaku was a community designed frame there aren't even any behind the scenes concepts for them

[cunning ore]

I remember there some people leaking concept arts of those three, let me double check it. By now through their names, i could think that it in skill 3.

[left parrot]

Damn

[left parrot]

Ooo can you send it?

[stiff fable]

I've posted the image you're thinking of here

It's a fan concept and says so on the picture

[left parrot]

Lemme seeeee

[woven coyote]

Yeah it bears repeating it is fan art

[left parrot]

Where can I read Xaku's story tho? I forgot where bc of how I hated Xaku before but now I'm interested

[woven coyote]

There isnt one

[stiff fable]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/g4h37i/broken_warframe_origins_fan_edit/

[left parrot]

Oh...

[strange plinth]

its mostly just their description and what grandmother says at the end of HoD

[stiff fable]

Xaku's story is from Grandmother, yeah

They were Warframe assigned to Deimos/Entrati experiments that disappeared during expeditions to the Void

[left parrot]

Thats actually pretty cool

[stiff fable]

Only to return fused together as Xaku

[cunning ore]

i hardly can remember, but xin i dont use X i cannot search for it

[stiff fable]

I just posted it lol

[left parrot]

Oh so it's another Grandma's bed time story
ASide from Dagath

[stiff fable]

Nah it's a one liner

She's using it as an analogy for the Family

[left parrot]

Oh just a one liner??? Tf?

[stiff fable]

Still more than Garuda

[left parrot]

XDDD

[strange plinth]

a lot of is inferred, iirc what we know is just
xaku's pieces were lost on entrati void expeditions, xaku returned at some point, a composite of the three, then they probably get primed at some point after that
unknown if it was by albrecht or ballas, though there are entrati motifs in their prime