lore-discussion

[strange plinth]

i'm not finding a mention of visions from tau, just that he views it as basically a holy land

[clever linden]

It’s from a archon hunt mission description

[strange plinth]

mm, that'd be why i'm not finding it
looking through voice lines

We cannot tell if Pazuul is receiving visions from Tau as he claims, or if his mind is disturbed. Analysis of data from [MISSION_NAME] may give us an insight.
indeed

[clever linden]

That’s it

[fast dew]

Yk how the lotus says she's hopeful to find another sentient like adis? That. Can heal folk? Makes me wonder if. Shes doing that for Erra

[strange plinth]

potentially.
it'd make sense, tbf. send a group to Solve The Problem while everyone else goes about their business

[clever linden]

As Erra is currently, she can’t heal him

But she says if anything remains of Erra’s consciousness, she wants to tear it out of Pazuul

[strange plinth]

that's what i'm thinking at this point
the only other reason i can think of that she'd be looking for a healing sentient is to heal herself from whatever marks were left by being revived

"But hear me - even if I help you, even if by some miracle you succeed... she will not be the same. Even for us... death... leaves a mark."

[clever linden]

Actually maybe we can heal Erra or any sentient for that matter, we just haven’t tried

We literally have Adis’s “Light”

That would be the coolest way for Erra to come back into the story imo

We boss fight Pazuul and remove him from Erra’s corpse, then we use Adis’s Light to heal him by singing the “Cast and Cry” song

[fast dew]

Mm, I was. Right to doubt that the lotus was only looking for tau to defeat the indifference

Like girl just say that and we wouldn't have trust issues

[clever linden]

I thought Albrecht wanted to do that?

[fast dew]

She's been. Holding off the indifference since lotus eaters, she's now involved too

[strange plinth]

mhm, albrecht is going to tau as well
but lotus has her own motives, seemingly, that she isn't being forward with
about going to tau, i mean

[fast dew]

Singing at him somehow. Pushes him away

[clever linden]

I believe he’s already there and has been since the first ending of 1999

And Executor Nitokh has probably been there since the Old Peace

[fast dew]

The lotus eaters' track actually portrays that. Fight really well imo

Eh, I do not think either of those people are there

[clever linden]

One of the last things Alrecht says to Drifter is “come” and “Tau is in sight”

Like where else did he go?

[strange plinth]

on his way there, or waiting for us to open the way

[fast dew]

I believe Albrecht is waiting for us to open the way to tau if he could've just went to tau immediately i feel like we would have tau by now

[proper barn]

He might also be trapped in kalymos./s

[fast dew]

And. As smart as Albrecht is, going to tau requires. A lot

Staying in tau requires a lot

God knows if that man can breathe in space

[proper barn]

I think we might get talking kaylamos at some point.

[fast dew]

I hope not tbh

[clever linden]

What if he didn’t want all of the Tenno to follow him just as they’ve been able to follow Drifter to 1999?

It was either Drifter goes with Albrecht then and there or he goes on his own to get a head start

[proper barn]

He's getting everywhere somehow.

[fast dew]

Its a part of Albrecht's character that he wouldn't do anything to her, it would. Damage Albrecht's character even more than they already have with the constant protos

[strange plinth]

Nitokh might be in Tau, but i'm also not sure about that
the only bit that would line up is her disappearing entirely from the records after roathe disappeared
which i believe happened after the second half of the war begun?

[clever linden]

Ohhhhh that’s right! Archimedean Yonta has a reoccurring dream of Albrecht, she asks him “where did you go?” He responds “everywhere” then tears himself in half

[fast dew]

Mhm. She played the part as executor even after the old peace fiasco

And given that there probably was executions post old peace [Margulis comes to mind] she probably was there to vote for it

[strange plinth]

mm, true
'seven hands raised' n all that

[clever linden]

The Orokin title “Executor” isn’t strictly related to executions, more so to execute the Orokin vision

In addition to executing people

[fast dew]

No

Its the 7 executors. They are the ones who approve executions.

[strange plinth]

executions require a unanimous "yes" vote

[fast dew]

All 7 of the seven must approve of it

Meaning she would've been there

[clever linden]

I did mention they do that, but that’s not all

[fast dew]

Yes. I know

[clever linden]

They had more power than the emperors

[strange plinth]

yes

[fast dew]

They're. Executives.

[strange plinth]

but the bit that matters right now is that all seven are required for executions

[fast dew]

Yes anwyays

[clever linden]

Which feels very redundant if the executors had more control than the emperor’s, why have emperors then?

[fast dew]

Because lol

Mm, whats the term roathe uses?

[strange plinth]

the executors act on the emperors' will
and the emperors were lazy and decided to let the executors do whatever
they're figureheads

[fast dew]

Thats it thank you

[dark compass]

Traditions and puppet figures

[clever linden]

Do we know any of the names of the Emperor’s then?

[strange plinth]

nope

[fast dew]

Nup

[dark compass]

They're ghosts

[strange plinth]

but we know they died during the naga drums !

[fast dew]

We know more executioners than emperors

[clever linden]

Duh, most Orokin did

But at the same time, lots didn’t…

[strange plinth]

well, yeah, but we have explicit confirmation that they actually showed up for the ceremony and got killed there

[fast dew]

A very tiny amount didn't die

[strange plinth]

stalker codex entry + a post-reunion grandmother line

[fast dew]

We have. What. 13? Orokin that are alive?

[clever linden]

Survivors of the Naga Drums:
Kuva Twins (2)
Glassmaker
House Entrati (5)
Albrecht Entrati
Ballas
Roathe

[strange plinth]

Albrecht n Roathe weren't even there, not sure if they count
Ballas wasn't a target
House Entrati may not have been there either, depends on when deimos slipped into the void

[clever linden]

Maaaaaaaaybe Executor Nitokh and Alad V?

[fast dew]

Mm, daughter.

[strange plinth]

alad v isn't orokin hunhow's just racist,,

[fast dew]

I swore she had a line about it

[clever linden]

That bit of lore always perplexes me

[fast dew]

Hunhow is just racist

Racist space grandpa with the robot womb

[strange plinth]

guy is acting like the orokin and hunhow recognizes it, so he calls them orokin

[clever linden]

Like Gene-modding oneself into looking like a human again and taking the role of some reclusive Corpus noble sounds too perfect for a surviving Orokin

[fast dew]

I mean the first part is almost exactly what Albrecht does

Except he goes humble

[clever linden]

True

[strange plinth]

alad v also sounds genuinely surprised about a lot of the stuff he's involved in with us

he'd. also know not to infect himself with the mutalist strain if he was orokin
i'd. hope.

[fast dew]

You'd think so

[clever linden]

Yeah that’s what basically proves he’s not an Orokin

I feel like there was a back and fourth about his backstory by the writers

[fast dew]

Probably

[strange plinth]

half of his story is missing and the rest is not in order currently so

[clever linden]

Even stalkers acolytes called Alad an Orokin

[strange plinth]

that one's weirder
but we don't know what the acolytes are either, just that they work with stalker
ofc stalker works with hunhow, so they could've just gotten it from hunhow

[clever linden]

Yeah I’d love to get their backstory

[proper barn]

Son did have a fiancé that died.

[proper barn]

I mean I want more acoltye lore.

[lean garden]

unless...

[clever linden]

She still didn’t make it to the modern timeline though

Hey cool Nexos profile picture. GSC is one of my favorite factions.

Did you know the Grineer are like space marines?

[wise eagle]

Hey is there a reason there’s a statue of nitokh being sold in the new operation?

[proper barn]

Yee.

[lean garden]

nope

[proper barn]

Good question.

[clever linden]

There is

Bought 3 for each base of operations lol

We now have earnable statues of 2 executors and 1 portrait of one

[proper barn]

I just want GSC for the total war 40k game at some point.

[clever linden]

I think a survival horror game in hive secundus would go hard

[fast dew]

Did you know one of Doomguy's original names was Space marine?
-# I only know doom fun facts

[wise eagle]

btw do we know who the female voice is in vesper?

[proper barn]

A

[strange plinth]

just that they were an archimedean

[clever linden]

Neat

Also Doomguy is the ultimate Grey Knight in spirit

[proper barn]

Archimedian maybe.

[clever linden]

An Archimedean, she says so explicitly

[strange plinth]

-# and they gave terrible therapy

[proper barn]

They might just use the term Archimedian as just "I am the scientist here."

[fast dew]

I can see that

[clever linden]

No, Archimedean is a specific science rank

Otherwise it wouldn’t be this venerated position with very few named characters

It would be normal

[wise eagle]

Do we know which one or no?

[clever linden]

Probably a new one

[fast dew]

I mean. We do not know a lot about orokin empire hierarchy

[clever linden]

No ways it could be my queen Archemedean Yonta

[humble sierra]

It's definitely not

[fast dew]

Couldn't be. Whoever was close enough to Albrecht for him to have their diadem in his netracells

[strange plinth]

???: "I am the Archimedean. You are the subject."
voice doesn't match anyone we know of afaik

[lean garden]

yonta couldn't have been around. so yes, no way its yonta

[clever linden]

The two lovers who made The Crystal warframe’s crystals (blanking on her name) were called “researchers” not Archimedeans, so there is distinction between just being a scientist and being an archemedean

[fast dew]

There's also the whole entrati family lol

Scientists but not Archimedians. Maybe they are but. Daughter absolutely isnt Lmao

[clever linden]

I think it’s just a big rank within the blanket term “scientist”

Like it’s the future term for “lead researcher”

That’s what I’m going with until it’s properly defined

[humble sierra]

In the voice files she's also called Archimedian rather than any specific name

It'd be odd if she wasn't an actual archimedian

[fast dew]

Xata...

[clever linden]

Rizz…

[lean garden]

ISHLUN-JASS

[dark compass]

She was merely pretending

[fast dew]

UUKAREH UUKAREH

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-tap-cat-paw-sponge-cat-cat-slap-paw-smack-gif-13638940292652645379

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-cute-play-bap-gif-16986853

[dark spindle]

But yeah put it this way

Daughter has already said in quests that the family were defending Deimos, so they were definitely under assault

[fast dew]

Yeah. Father was a Railjack Pilot in the war

Then. Turned engineer

He was apparently the lead in his field

Makes sense, Necramechs are. Impressive

[dark spindle]

Plus, again, we know that more Tenno exist beyond the New War, and I expect Narmer would know too

[past vortex]

i dont think that meant they were activily defending it though, they just had to protect it incase anything DID happen

[dark spindle]

It’s likely that the Tenno were given asylum by the Entrati

[fast dew]

Mm, wait which war?

Old or new war

[dark spindle]

The New War

[fast dew]

Oh new war, we know that

[strange plinth]

they were only defending deimos during TNW
laying low

Daughter does a good impression of Mother when complaining about it during Veilbreaker

[fast dew]

They hid, and. Vome and Fass blew up Murexes

[storm dagger]

Lephantis alone can take on an army of sentients

[past vortex]

that would be cool but De actually doesnt want to give us any information about some of the most important parts of the game so we will NEVER know

[past vortex]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/977444189488951309/1299265864792674415/de.gif

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn the horrors of war is unknown to children born outside it

[dark spindle]

I severely doubt that Narmer would just ignore the potential for a Tenno resurgence with the knowledge there are still Tenno out there

[dark compass]

Lephantis can take an army of Sentients because they won't be able to damage it properly

[past vortex]

well they would and im pretty sure they did because the tenno excluding the main one are trash

[dark spindle]

And even if they didn’t know where the Tenno were, they would know the Heart is essential, and that it’s on Deimos, so it would be the obvious target

[strange plinth]

the Heart is also essential to all other void tech in the system

[fast dew]

The narmer sentients wouldnt have touched it

[dark spindle]

All the other players are meant to be other Tenno

[fast dew]

^

[strange plinth]

they wouldn't jeopardize it

[fast dew]

It affects every bit of void technology

[past vortex]

notice how only one tenno show up and solo the new war though?

[dark spindle]

Narmer Sentients might not, but they had control over the Grineer and Corpus

[fast dew]

Including railjacks, the solar rails

[storm dagger]

Heck, even Zealoid Prelate is unkillable to sentients

[lean garden]

narmer sentients also couldnt even make landfall on deimos in the first place

[fast dew]

That too!

[past vortex]

and we know they get clapped by the infestation

why would the sentients waste recourses exploring deimos when they had already won

[dark spindle]

Because they had help from Hunhow and the Stalker, plus they got Natah

[fast dew]

"Did I tell you Ballas sent one of his Narmer Murexes sniffing around here?"
"Vome and Fass blew it clear out of the sky!"
"Only thing they hate worse than each other is having their territory invaded."

[strange plinth]

the wyrms don't like visitors
apparently they collaborate on one thing, blowing up murexes

[fast dew]

Thank you father

[past vortex]

yea like two gods and one other warframe

[dark spindle]

The Corpus have canonically beaten back the infestation before

[fast dew]

Loid has too

[past vortex]

no other tenno spotted at all no railjacks join you for the final push or nothing

[fast dew]

Loid is scarier than the corpus....

[past vortex]

fairs but they dont stand a chance againts the deimos infestation

[dark spindle]

Europa used to be controlled by the infested

[lean garden]

everyone and their mother has beaten the infestation, eaten the infestation, been eaten by the infestation

[dark spindle]

And Europa is substantially larger than Deimos

[lean garden]

(hyperbole)

[fast dew]

the entrati family

Everyone and their mother DID get got by the infestation

[past vortex]

but notice how the tenno had to help the corpus with that though

[strange plinth]

any force large enough to attempt to get into the necralisk would probably get targetted by the wyrms

[fast dew]

Let alone what the necramechs would do

[past vortex]

deimos is litterally covered head to toe in infestation size doesnt matter there tbh

deimos is a living planet at this point

[storm dagger]

Isn't their another infested planet? Eris I believe

[strange plinth]

yea eris

[fast dew]

Getting to the heart is. Incredibly hard

[past vortex]

oh yea eris is cool

[dark spindle]

They built a ship that can siphon power from the Sun

[strange plinth]

praghasa was sitting around somewhere on the edge of the system, she wasn't just built for narmer

[dark spindle]

That kind of tech definitely would allow for them to destroy Deimos if undefended

[loud token]

Isn't there literally a line in veilbreaker about how they repelled the Narmer from Deimos

[past vortex]

and there are sentient ships next to erris in the new war btw

[dark spindle]

Also this

[dark spindle]

Plus we know Eris is approaching Deimos infestation levels

[past vortex]

i wouldnt know i would have to remember or smth

[strange plinth]

iirc daughter just complains about not being able to be involved with the war in veilbreaker

[storm dagger]

I would unironically fear an infestation takeover than a sentient takeover

[past vortex]

and notice how the sentients still had it under control

[dark spindle]

From the orbiter and from missions you can see parts of the planet have fallen away

[glossy dew]

At least the sentients give you the veils to make you happy while you work

[dark spindle]

So it makes you wonder why they couldn’t take Deimos

[storm dagger]

You would still have some form of freedom with the sentients

You're just gone if the infested takes over

[dark spindle]

Maybe it’s because of the Entrati family

[fast dew]

"Did I tell you Ballas sent one of his Narmer Murexes sniffing around here?"
"Vome and Fass blew it clear out of the sky!"
"Only thing they hate worse than each other is having their territory invaded."

[strange plinth]

the wyrms blew up the murex that tried !

[fast dew]

Thats. Thats why

They got giant feral guard wyrms

[past vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[dark spindle]

They sent a Murex to Deimos though

[glossy dew]

Love my infested anti air worms

[fast dew]

"Do you know what brave deeds we did in the Narmer War, Ayatan? None! We hid! Thanks for that, Mother!"

[dark spindle]

So they were obviously trying something

[fast dew]

Yeah, and it failed 😭

[strange plinth]

and they didn't try anything after that, because deimos can defend itself

[dark spindle]

Which is my argument

[past vortex]

they stopped after they met resistence

[dark spindle]

That they tried and failed to invade Deimos to take the heart

[past vortex]

im 100 percent sure if the sentients focused even half of there efforts claiming deimos they could

[fast dew]

No, i think it was just

[loud token]

Real sibling energy

[dark spindle]

That doesn’t invalidate my point

[strange plinth]

we have no idea why they wanted deimos

[fast dew]

The general take over

[pale cedar]

They should've sent them to Eris instead as there's no Worms there

[fast dew]

True...

[dark spindle]

That just says they were incapable of taking it

[past vortex]

if the sentients tried to take over deimos they could

[glossy dew]

They go all out on fishermen and wage slaves, but can't with a little infested mass?

[dark spindle]

They literally did try

[fast dew]

"Loid taught me so much about taste. He was the most discerning man I knew. Until he hooked up with my grandfather."

Honourable new daughter line mention because. This is funny

[past vortex]

only to a certaint extent they were busy with the entire solar system at this point

[strange plinth]

the heart is possible but what need would they have? its clearly working as-is

[dark spindle]

The infestation has also been used against the Sentients in the Old War

[past vortex]

were acting like vome and fass arent impossibly huge

[storm dagger]

Was probably to scout
And when they knew what happened to it on Deimos, they were like

"Well f that planet, let's just move on"

[glossy dew]

So are corpus ships and they took down those

[fast dew]

Ballas wanted to know why Deimos disappeared one day smh

[clever linden]

Who says this?

[strange plinth]

father, post-reunion

[dark spindle]

They could have tried to destroy it, Ballas might not have wanted that, but I think the Sentients at large would

[fast dew]

Father :) the line is only accessible if you get Loid to the family

[dark spindle]

Plus controlling it would give leverage against any surviving Tenno

[fast dew]

It. Also would ruin shit

[past vortex]

corpus ships arent alive shooting stupidly op beams at you though

[clever linden]

What I’m really curious about is what did worm queen do during the new war, cus the Kuva fortress was invaded too

[strange plinth]

Ballas was the one in charge, that doesn't really matter

[fast dew]

And there's a reason the entrati family are the void guys

[dark spindle]

I expect it was probably a long siege

[past vortex]

this is what most likely happened

[glossy dew]

I mean, they do shoot op laser beams as seen in Veto's sacrifice scene

[fast dew]

Chances are their tech is resistant to sentient control, much like how the dark refractory is infestation resistant

[past vortex]

that laser wasnt op it didnt do anything to the sentient ship veto basically died for nothing ngl

[dark spindle]

Otherwise the Worm Queen would just be dead

[pale cedar]

Vome and Fass when Grineer, Corpus and Tenno land, I sleep

Vome and Fass when Murex is coming, Sniper time

[glossy dew]

The difference is that Vome and Fass are real ones that don't sell their land to colonists

[dark spindle]

No way they’d keep her alive

[loud token]

You mean Veko, or no was it Vinny?

[past vortex]

i see your point but the surviving tenno werent doing anything period so it didnt matter

[strange plinth]

they wouldn't risk their "era of peace" over the heart, especially when over half of their forces require it to transport themselves quickly

[fast dew]

The colonists on their land:

[glossy dew]

No, the ship did go down, but there were a lot more so it didn't matter

[dark spindle]

We don’t know is the thing

So we basically just have headcanon at this point

[past vortex]

i thought the explosion was a counter blast but i guess im wrong i have to replay anyway

[storm dagger]

I wouldn't want to mess with a planet filled with endless space zombies either

[past vortex]

DE doesnt want to confirm anything tbh :/

[fast dew]

Mm

[past vortex]

fairs

[glossy dew]

The ship was destroyed and the blast destroyed Veko's ship too

[pale cedar]

Nah, the ship would've just activated adaptation

[fast dew]

They confirmed Albrecht and Loid are lovers!

[past vortex]

this is MORE important I GUESSSS

[glossy dew]

They cheaped out

[fast dew]

After. A whole ass argument on the wikis

[dark spindle]

Yeah the problem is there’s not really much they can do with the info rn, almost no reason to bring it up

[loud token]

Ballas could have wanted to disable the Heart in fear of tenno resistance, but maybe Narmer figured they'd have to do well enough without after two kaiju anti air got pissy

[glossy dew]

Too bad Albrecht is a deadbeat

[fast dew]

Whatever wiki it was had a whole thing where they refused to put them as lovers for some reason

[past vortex]

they could bring it up for aura and make the tenno look good outside of vauge statements and lore tablets

[strange plinth]

why would they disable the heart when all of their controlled corpus and grineer need it to use the junctions for transport

[loud token]

Bigots being bigoted

[fast dew]

Ah he's better than a deadbeat

[loud token]

Fair point

[dark spindle]

Probably the Fandom one, Fandom just sucks ass

[fast dew]

What a shocker

[past vortex]

fairs

[dark spindle]

(I don’t know but I’d like to imagine)

[glossy dew]

Just because he has a reason to doesn't mean he isn't a deadbeat, just a justified one

[pale cedar]

No matter the wiki fandom basically just copy pasted it all over to the new

[fast dew]

Deadbeat... dad? What are we calling him a deadbeat for actually

[loud token]

They were too afraid to admit that Warframe had old man yaoi

[dark spindle]

Honestly it feels silly playing Warframe if you’re a bigot, imagine playing a game where identity is a really big thing, and there’s multiple instances of queer romance, but you’re too busy being a bigot

[glossy dew]

He did abandon his daughter, and his lover

[past vortex]

i mean he said it himself he raised his daughter with inconsistent effort and then basically abondoned her and while he did it for a good reason to keep the indiference from her he could have just as easily let her in on even half of the shit he was cooking up

[dark spindle]

Entrati had his heart in the right place, but he’s still really selfish

[fast dew]

Waiting and sitting here for Rebb to finally decide that they should kiss

[pale cedar]

She was an adult at the time

[strange plinth]

i mean. his daughter was an adult by the time he left
i wouldn't call him a deadbeat. but he did leave

[fast dew]

Two adults, and. The daughter part might’ve been coming off a suicide attempt so I. Do withhold judgement there

[past vortex]

fairs he did raise her in general

[dark spindle]

We’re basically seeing what happens when someone goes off to be the hero, they leave everyone behind to pick up the pieces

[pale cedar]

The inconsistent part of it was him doing research rather than abandoning the family

[glossy dew]

Exactly my point

[strange plinth]

hell, his daughter was an adult when he broke into the void, iirc
and he was still around for a while after that

[past vortex]

hes doing what needs to be done ig

[loud token]

A big issue with Entrati as well, is he doesn't tell anyone anything

[past vortex]

but i still feel like he could go about it in a better way

[dark spindle]

Mhm, he does seem at least somewhat aware that he’s doing something that hurts people, but he’s adamant it’s best for everyone

[glossy dew]

Bro could've at least told his family what he was going to do, but he left without a single word and they basically think he died

[pale cedar]

He tells you everything while telling you nothing at the same time

[fast dew]

He also has literally no self esteem 😭 inconsistent vigor.. I will also point out he had Loid care for her when he struggled

[strange plinth]

he's definitely aware. there's two sections in whispers about how he knows what he's doing will hurt himself and loid

[past vortex]

fairs

[pale cedar]

Albrecht is just cryptic with what he's saying

[fast dew]

I mean. The less they knew the safer they are

[loud token]

"Solve this cryptic riddle while I aurafarm and abandon another group of people in another point in time"

[past vortex]

also fairs

[fast dew]

I do not fault him for not wanting to risk his family more

[dark spindle]

He is really good at abandoning people honestly

[strange plinth]

he definitely treats wally like an infohazard
which seems to be true, so far

[glossy dew]

That's fair

[dark spindle]

It’s happened, what, 3 times now?

[fast dew]

And again, he. Kinda did

[past vortex]

i mean i see what you mean but saying that in general does kinda sound wrong

you cant blame someone for not wanting to risk their family

[fast dew]

He. Possibly tried to off himself and gave them a suicide letter 😭

They thought he was dead for every reason

[dark spindle]

He abandoned his own family, he abandoned the Hex, and he abandoned the French + Emet Selch

[past vortex]

honestly were doing a lot of his work for him helping everyone he hurts

[dark spindle]

Yeah

[loud token]

There is also the very real possibility that the way he's doing things is the best way forward, a necessary evil that is lesser than the alternative

Alternative being losing to the Indifference

[fast dew]

He did return and explained what it was, for the triad. Roach though. He didn't get abandoned by him in an emotional sense lmao

[dark spindle]

Also the Cavia who he just kinda tortured by bringing them into existence

[strange plinth]

this is exactly what he says in his notes

[pale cedar]

Albrecht: I’m going to commit suicide
The Void: And I took that personally here enter your Child's kingdom

[dark spindle]

Yeah it was more literal

[fast dew]

I. Dont think he knew that would happen

And he felt. Disgusted after the fact

[dark spindle]

Yeah that’s fair, still happened at least

[pale cedar]

Using animals is also the backbone of science

[dark spindle]

He did try to dispose of Tagfer, hence why his name is like that

[fast dew]

The difference between someone like ballas and someone like. Albrecht is. Albrecht genuinely finds his actions disgusting but necessary

[strange plinth]

-# I will repair what I have broken, no more and no less. The scales must balance. And in such a monstrous penitence as this, I shall take no heed of the dust that may fall upon them on either side, the dust of petty lives.

-# The builders of old tempered their mortar with blood, to appease the most ancient of land-spirits. We should have been so wise. Yet it is not too late to learn.

-# The sands fall. The circuit completes. I return to the place of the beginning.

-# Let witless hordes bleat their disdain for every fervent plan;
-# The deal is done, the die is cast. I end as I began.

[fast dew]

After the cavia he seemed to have tried to. Kill himself in response, which landed him in duviri

[past vortex]

i think thats true to an extent but a part of me feels like hes playing directly into the indifferences hands, theres genially so much spooky shit that's going on in the backgrounds especially when you consider the weird use of the indifferences doppelgangers

[dark spindle]

Yeah like, he is trying to be good

[fast dew]

Which appears to have been when he cut off his family

[pale cedar]

I didn't see him repair anything

[dark spindle]

Ballas was just a selfish arse though

He did technically prevent the Indifference from breaking through in 1999

[loud token]

Whoever writes and decides his vocabulary and how he speaks kills it everytime

[past vortex]

i think he means by using us or he means like after hes done with the indifference

[strange plinth]

-# I knew, then, that my gambit had lost. So long as I worked through scapegoats, my guilt would only deepen. I must atone for what I had done through my own blood.

-# Standard laboratory hygiene would have been to dispose of them. But some instinct stayed my hand. The Voidtongue was an enigma to me, but another - more habituated to the Void than I - might one day unravel it. Through the imposition of form upon the formless they could, perhaps, glean some meaning.

-# I assigned the Cavia to Loid, for I could not bear to look upon them. Not yet.

[dark spindle]

Yeah Albrecht has the best lines in the whole game imo

[fast dew]

And then magically ended up in duviri

[loud token]

"Let witless hordes bleat their disdain for every fervent plan;" such a good line

[fast dew]

Hmm. No more scapegoats? So hes gonna use himself and.

Hes in the void

[dark spindle]

After Clem of course

[fast dew]

Ah so he threw himself into the void even after the first time

[past vortex]

https://klipy.com/gifs/kratos-26

[dark spindle]

It is curious to me how many different ways the Void manifests

[fast dew]

The first time rendered him blind and tore his throat and vocal cords to smithereens, and blasted his skin off

[pale cedar]

Albrecht: I fear the Void
Also Albrecht jumps in again

[fast dew]

And he just. Goes back in

[dark spindle]

The Murmur, the Angels + Thrax, Duviri and I guess the Corrupted

[past vortex]

yea im still curious about its exact relation to kuva honestly

[fast dew]

"Muck it we ball" is his mental state rn i feel

[dark spindle]

The Corrupted are largely Orokin but we know there’s still voidness, since they drop void traces

[strange plinth]

chopping up some of the entries in the duviri section for the sake of not posting the entire thing

-# In Duviri, I woke every day to the voice of my daughter. I recoiled from this at first, feeling the sting of conscience. I could not confront, even in semblance, the woman I had abandoned. Instead I reinvented myself as a teacher, advising the child-King of the menace beyond his borders.

-# Despite my legacy of neglect, despite my shoddy example, my needs, my demands, my daughter had triumphed in my absence.

-# I had thought to make a difference in Duviri. But Duviri had made a difference in me. My own daughter's creations, reverberating and growing in the womb of the Void, had shown me another path than that of the indulgent coward. I was neither helpless nor irredeemable. Like she had, I could fight.

-# I would confront the phantom myself, and deny it to the teeth.

[fast dew]

"If I die I die" instead of. "I am a disgusting human being and i deserve nothing except death."

Actually on Albrecht's parental deal

[dark spindle]

I still find it a little curious swearing isn’t allowed in the server when it’s an 18+ game, but I guess it’s for corporate reasons

Looks bad for publicity or something

[strange plinth]

we can say anything that's in-game, afaik

[fast dew]

Ive always found it weird when folk insist that loid couldn't have done the same parental wise

[past vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/vanillamace-ftmelone-stantwt-gif-17882144906114148071

[past vortex]

wdym

[dark spindle]

Guess it makes even less sense in game, but again I’m not the one making decisions and one random person suggesting otherwise won’t change it lol

[pale cedar]

I've seen people swear just fine

[dark spindle]

I guess the rules say otherwise

[fast dew]

Maybe that comes from my. Unique childhood situation but folk going "oh but Loid isnt enough for a parent" always wigged me out

[loud token]

Certain swears aren't considered as serious

Like I can say ass

[fast dew]

Loid appeared to be a form of parental figure to Euleria but some folk are weird and go "but Loid is just the butler he couldn't have served as a parental figure that could be equal to an actual father"

[dark spindle]

Honestly to me ass isn’t even a swear pfff

[loud token]

I think that's why

[fast dew]

Its the curses said by characters ingame

[dark spindle]

At least where I come from that’s just a completely normal word

[pale cedar]

It’s filtered swearing and they didn't add every word into it

[past vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/speed-ishowspeed-speed-stream-ishowspeed-stream-speed-nod-gif-1082323842437565509

[loud token]

Cause I swear I used to get necraloided for saying ass/shit

[fast dew]

You did

They change it every time a character swears lol

[past vortex]

Are you serious?

[dark spindle]

Maybe that one’s allowed because, at least in the UK, I really don’t think ass is anything obscene

[pale cedar]

They toned down their filter

[past vortex]

No way that’s true

[strange plinth]

basically

[fast dew]

Australian here, a lot of words are normal here but would offend most Americans 😭

[loud token]

Getting new swears everytime we get a new story quest 😭

[fast dew]

If a character uses a new swear then yeah

[past vortex]

Could you say the b word because ballas said it that one time😭

[dark spindle]

Yeah probably that

[fast dew]

OH YEAH HE DID

[loud token]

I'd argue offend most of the older americans

[fast dew]

Petition to get that word unblocked

[dark spindle]

Yet somehow they also invented a slur for sentients in game too

[fast dew]

I need to use it for how Loid acts

[loud token]

Most isn't the right word

But I think it's "the old guard" of american censorship that would get upset

[dark spindle]

Yeah it’s dumb

[strange plinth]

yea that sounds accurate

[fast dew]

Man I just want to call ballas a bad word 💔

[dark spindle]

I guess I just like the more laid back attitude we have in the UK generally

[fast dew]

And. Australia

[loud token]

My family, despite being your typical southern US religious family, have always sworn like crazy

[fast dew]

I am withholding the amount of. Mucks in my sentences so bad

[loud token]

So to me it's no biggie

[strange plinth]

-# anyway, lore

[fast dew]

Yes lore

[dark spindle]

Yeah same here, guess us and Aussies aren’t too different

[fast dew]

Why is the entrati family British and Albrecht is. Whatever Albrecht is

[dark spindle]

I mean, are they all British?

Daughter seems like a yank, so do Son and Father to me

[stiff fable]

I kinda figure Albrech is OLD Orokin

[fast dew]

They are predominantly so?

Maybe mother just being aggressively so warps my perception of it

[stiff fable]

Honestly they read more Canadian than eaglelanders to me

[dark spindle]

Mother and Grandmother seem British though

[strange plinth]

-# eaglelanders--

[dark spindle]

Honestly I have a hard time differentiating American and Canadian

[fast dew]

Mother picked it up from Loid fr

[fast dew]

I can! Mainly cuz DE are. Aggressively Canadian and it sounds weird 😭

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/muppets-sam-the-eagle-8

[fast dew]

I met Rebecca!

And the others

[dark spindle]

Ooo nice

[fast dew]

And Ticker's VA!!!

Genuinely the best experience ive ever had

I nearly exploded when talking to Ticker's VA

[pale cedar]

Rebb proceeded to tell you that Albrecht had another child

[fast dew]

YEAH THE FLOCK

[dark spindle]

Like, somehow despite having lots of Canadian content in my life I genuinely don’t know how to differentiate the accent

[dark spindle]

Hell yeah

Oh really?

[fast dew]

I am doubtful personally

[loud token]

Honestly there's not much of a clear difference, because northern us states also sound like typical 'canadian' accents, but then I have friends from canada who sound more like me. And Ive always been told I sound like a city kid despite being born in the suburban south. So there's a lot of blend, and it's better to tell by region than by nationality imo

[fast dew]

Ive been slapped by dumb creative directors before so I hold what they say on the spot with a grain of salt

[dark spindle]

It’d be funny if she randomly dropped something that’d be important in the story one day

[fast dew]

Hugo Martin oh how I hate you

[pale cedar]

Thomas if you ever meet Rebb again I have a question that DE ignored in the Reddit AMA I want answered

[dark spindle]

Yeah fair enough

[stiff fable]

She's accidentally leaked major spoilers in the past

[fast dew]

Shit maybe next year if they do Australian tennovip again

[dark spindle]

In the UK I feel like accents are more solid though

[stiff fable]

Like accidentally announcing primes weeks ahead of time

[strange plinth]

looking at loid's lines and.
how does the fish even cheat at komi

[dark spindle]

Honestly kinda real of her, especially when we can’t know for sure

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[fast dew]

Played with the mind i guess

[dark spindle]

I’d assume a few of the primes were obvious already

[stiff fable]

Oh also she called the entire playerbase Resgisterd Losers before

[pale cedar]

I give him the answers, duh

[dark spindle]

Honestly not wrong

[fast dew]

More importantly, how did Fibonacci read the poetry he recited in that rank up?

[dark spindle]

I spend soooo much damn time on this game

[stiff fable]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pMbyvgklxY0

[strange plinth]

yea, but if the game senses your move and makes it, how does it not have some kind of 'that's an invalid move'

[clever linden]

We are less fascist

That’s it. That’s the difference

[stiff fable]

Cheating at komi is ALSO a skill

[fast dew]

If you think hard enough

[pale cedar]

Rebb is probably the only mother who can call her children losers and get away with it

[fast dew]

"The sea rises, the light falls, lovers cling to each other, and children cling to us. The moment we cease to hold each other, the moment we break faith with one another, the sea engulfs us... and the light goes out."

This is a poem Albrecht canonically has inside his library

[fast dew]

This is true

[clever linden]

“A bottomless curse…a bottomless sea…accepting of all that there is…and can be.”

[dark spindle]

Yeah that’s about right

[fast dew]

Ive heard Canada is very similar to Australia, local Canadian is that true?

[loud token]

Oh to move to canada one day

[dark spindle]

I know Canada is just as car dependent too

[clever linden]

No because insects die here

They don’t rule the land

[fast dew]

They die here too! Global warming ganked their asses

Its really sad actually

We have a few species of blue bees....

[clever linden]

Hopefully that means less dangerous ones though

[fast dew]

Man I haven't actually seen any scary bugs since that time I was zonked and trying to clean the bath

[dark spindle]

Oooo cool

[clever linden]

Just looked them up, pretty cool

[dark spindle]

I really wanna travel more to see that kinda thing

[fast dew]

Me and Rebecca and. Me and the kubrow puppet thats as tall as me 💔

God I dress like a homeless man

[dark spindle]

Oooooo hell yeah, nice

[fast dew]

Me and Rebecca being the same height was. Funny

[pale cedar]

You even met Pedro

[dark spindle]

Honestly you’re dressing better than me so you’re doing alright pfff

Yeah I bet

[fast dew]

I dress worse mostly, thats the best I had that wasnt extreme formal wear for court

-# I've had to go multiple times

[fast dew]

I did i guess?? 😭

[dark spindle]

I used to just wear the same damn thing every day honestly, so still seems ok

Ah :( sorry to hear

[fast dew]

I have multiple of the same clothes

[fast dew]

Nah its mostly funny actually

[dark spindle]

Oh really?

[dark spindle]

At least you have multiple

[fast dew]

Yeah, turns out accidentally breaking a kids nose in lacrosse made someone's mum mad

Weird court bullshit

[dark spindle]

Honestly I think I dress a bit better now but it was definitely just the dysphoria hoodie for a while

[fast dew]

REAL

[dark spindle]

Oh shit

[pale cedar]

I wonder if Uriel can destroy an army while calm

[fast dew]

Rat hoodie that i love

[dark spindle]

He’s a warframe, definitely

[fast dew]

Not actually of a rat i just feel like one when wearing it

Albrecht style

[stiff fable]

I imagine that's part of the reason the Sentients crucified every Uriel they could find

[dark spindle]

The one I wear most is a Nintendo NY hoodie, it looks way older than it is because of how worn it is

[dark spindle]

Honestly based

[fast dew]

Idek what it is, its that worn

That thing saw me through hell and back

Dysphoria hoodie i will always love you

I got you for maybe 3 bucks and you're older than my little sister

[dark spindle]

Pffff, yeah hoodies are real ones for that

I do have some nicer clothes now simply because transition has been going a while now, and eventually some of my friends helped me, but it’s still mostly random stuff

[fast dew]

Good to see that dysphoria hoodies go on both sides of trans™
-# gotta hit them with the trans dude behaviour

[dark spindle]

Yeah, truly one of the universal trans experiences

Blahaj too

[fast dew]

I just. Was a masc lesbian before I realised so I had a lot of the clothes I needed lol

[fast dew]

TRUE I say as I use blahaj as my pillow

[dark spindle]

Nice

I have 3 of them, 2 small 1 big

[fast dew]

I have a small one. Somewhere

[dark spindle]

There’s an Ikea in my city so it wasn’t too hard to grab more

[fast dew]

I think it was in the box that has my missing alcohol that I haven't found since I moved

[dark spindle]

Pffff

[fast dew]

I payed 60 bucks for that bottle if I cannot find it I will riot

[dark spindle]

Oh god, sounds like nice stuff

[fast dew]

Yeah, just midori illusion, the 1 litre liquor bottle

I was gonna use it for easter at my sister's but. I CANT FIND IT

[dark spindle]

Oh nice, hope you can find it!

Ah :(

[fast dew]

Ill ask my carers eventually

[dark spindle]

Yeah sounds like a good idea

[fast dew]

For the box, i aint technically allowed alcohol on premise but yk

But yes warframe lore

[dark spindle]

I have a few nice drinks on me, one of my gfs bought me a case of cider recently

[fast dew]

[dark spindle]

Oh yeah fjjsjdjd

[fast dew]

I bought my mate some shitty rosé and they nearly died trying it

But yes warframe lore

[dark spindle]

Oh god

[fast dew]

Uhhh. Lyon and Loid being unsure of what the mysterious bottle of alcohol™ was funny

[dark spindle]

I mean, the Hex and Little Duck drink, this is close enough /s

Oh yeah Lyon too

[pale cedar]

Warframe lore
Ballas is dead
Ballas will return
Ballas will stay dead

[dark spindle]

Pfff

[strange plinth]

ballas is and will remain dead

[fast dew]

The triad floofs existing like this is funny

Ignore the names at the top

[dark spindle]

Shame, wish we could beat him up again

[fast dew]

I love Marie's little nubs

[strange plinth]

go spar with kullervo
probably causes the Warden the same amount of anguish

[dark spindle]

I should probably decorate my orbiter

She also floats as a floof, huh

[pale cedar]

Roathe still looks badly designed as a floof

[fast dew]

My. Backrooms has. Decoration

[dark spindle]

Tbf the idea of a war criminal floof is kinda funny

[strange plinth]

his body is overdetailed i think

[fast dew]

Wha-blam Albrecht shrine

[dark spindle]

Cjjjdjdjs

[pale cedar]

Looks like playdough

[dark spindle]

Amazing

[strange plinth]

3 loid floofs spotted

oh 4

[fast dew]

There's 4 in there, the 5th one i could buy is gonna go out to the drifter's camp's skybox

[dark spindle]

Eleanor floof spotted too

[fast dew]

The cat bed is. For my Kalymos

[stiff fable]

It's because finishing Hex Finale gets you the Hex floofs!

[strange plinth]

hex finale gives the noggles, no?

[fast dew]

Nah those are the noggles, though. Good reminder to bring those over

[stiff fable]

ah dammit you're right

[pale cedar]

Thomas why did you put Loid on the chair you don't like

That's just cruel

[stiff fable]

ughhh

[fast dew]

Someone ask me about the shawzin I wanna explain the netracells

[fast dew]

He and Eleanor are having a tea party

[pale cedar]

On the most uncomfortable chair ever

[strange plinth]

yea that's in-character i think

[dark spindle]

Sure

[fast dew]

Yeah as if Loid wouldn't do that

[fast dew]

Okay so for some reason this man has the. Corbu...? Shawzin. The. The metal esque sounding one, in his netracells??

[pale cedar]

He's British
I know he wouldn't

[fast dew]

Where did he steal that one from

[dark spindle]

Huh, strange

[fast dew]

He has a lot in his netracells

Stolen coffee machine

[dark spindle]

He really just puts everything in there huh

[fast dew]

All family tokens but father and Son

[dark spindle]

Damn he picked favourites

[fast dew]

The book his daughter wrote [duviri]

[pale cedar]

What country do you think Operator and Drifter are from?

[dark spindle]

Aww

[stiff fable]

Side 3

[dark spindle]

I don’t think they exist in a typical sense anymore

[clever linden]

Where do you get these?

[strange plinth]

golden maw,,

[fast dew]

In the market!

[dark spindle]

But I think the VAs are probably Canadian

[fast dew]

Yeah, a golden maw and temple kuva??

[dark spindle]

The temple kuva is odd when he specifically rejected continuity

[fast dew]

Albrecht also stole cars

[stiff fable]

but seriously, probably a space colony

[dark spindle]

There’s also a whole train in the laboratories during Whispers in the Walls

[fast dew]

And. Owned the clothing store the backroom is attached to

[dark compass]

Its just memorabilia

[clever linden]

Somewhere near India or Asia. When I saw their parents, their dad looked Indian, and their mom looked Asian, so technically they are mixed race. The Tenno in the original awakening cutscene looked mixed race too.

[strange plinth]

i think even the kim chats about drifter's 'hometown' are vague enough to be almost anywhere in the system

[fast dew]

Which. Said clothing store is called TIMELESS STYLE

[fast dew]

They change depending on the mix :)

[dark compass]

they can also be green

[fast dew]

Or blue. Mine are blue

[strange plinth]

they can also be green

[dark spindle]

That far in the future I don’t think the concept really exists anymore, not in the same way anyway

[fast dew]

Not defeating the Tormis allegations

[clever linden]

“What’s the matter with you? Why are you blue?”

[dark spindle]

Beyond ‘Orokin Empire’ there were no real divisions

[pale cedar]

Wasn't blue enough to not get sent to space

[fast dew]

Mm, culture blurs and blended over 10 thousand years, it wouldnt be surprising

Somehow though, german persisted

[dark spindle]

Also my Drifter just looks like one of the characters from a random obscure game I like

[dark spindle]

Yeah that’s a bizarre one

[fast dew]

Nah i wanted to be on there 💔

[dark spindle]

Also we know some accents survived

See: Fortuna

[fast dew]

It only comes from Albrecht's mother calling him little Bengel
-# not. Bengal like the cat, Bengel as in little rascal/brat in german

Which. Is such a cute nickname

[dark spindle]

Maybe bengel became a loan word

It is cute yeah

[fast dew]

Maybe, but given Albrecht's name being german, im inclined to believe the German language just persisted

[stiff fable]

so, what's people's favorite hidden secret in Warframe

[fast dew]

Mm, depends on what you call a secret

[dark spindle]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Personally its the translation of Yara Jeliira, if we're doing smthn like that

[dark spindle]

Could be a fun gameplay mechanic, could be deep lore

[pale cedar]

Lohk
Void

[stiff fable]

yeah exactly

I think my favorite is the hidden Inaros Prime cosmetics

[fast dew]

Behold my heart, fill my heart fiercely.

Eternal union, eternal union, I am your counterpart.

Behold my heart

Fill my heart fiercely

[dark spindle]

I just find it interesting they’ve kinda invented a conlang

[fast dew]

The worst thing to have ever hit my head

[pale cedar]

Think Albrecht wanted us to find his lore?

[fast dew]

His dark refractory exists for a reason

OHH

No. Not at all. Those arent meant for us to read

[dark spindle]

Even if most words we know now aren’t typical words for conversation

[fast dew]

Voidtongue is cool yea

Xata... kaxata.....

[dark spindle]

Unless I want to call someone a decaying dung void child or something

[twin wigeon]

Honk

[pale cedar]

I wonder who they're meant for

[fast dew]

Himself tbh

[stiff fable]

Oh actually something else I like is everything to do with the Battacor besides the weapon itself

[fast dew]

Loid, maybe

[stiff fable]

You can find a Battacor in the Corpus labs in the Orb Vallis

[dark spindle]

Huh, interesting

It’s interesting you don’t really see any units using a lot of those weapons

[pale cedar]

one of my favourite secrets that stopped being secret was Third Orb

[stiff fable]

It's strapped to a table in a firing range and you can hit a switch to make it fire

[dark spindle]

I think the only time a Nukor is used by a Grineer is with a Kuva Lich

[fast dew]

YARA JELIIRA SHORANAC JELIIRA
UUKAREH UUKAREH BELIA VEH I should get this tattooed somewhere actually

[pale cedar]

Third Orb needs to get up

[stiff fable]

if you have one of your own you can zoom in to look at it closely

[dark spindle]

Real, honestly go for it

[stiff fable]

And it turns out that it's a juryrigged weapon

[dark spindle]

I should think about tattoos one day

[fast dew]

Poor cus saving for a cool helmet™ but..perhaps in June

[dark spindle]

Really? Huh

[dark spindle]

Oooo nice

[fast dew]

Or. may actually

[dark spindle]

I’m not sure if or when though, especially since I might wanna dye my hair more

[stiff fable]

It's a Sentient Battalyst arm strapped to a Corpus trigger piece

[dark spindle]

It’s really faded rn

[stiff fable]

Holding it together is a zaw Jai link!

Now you understand what the Corpus are buying in Cetus

[dark spindle]

Huh, interesting, they really just messed around making it work

[dark compass]

theres also Ocucor

which is also a sentient piece held by a zaw link

[stiff fable]

Ocucor is the same way yeah

[pale cedar]

I remember someone actually asking why there's a Black Corpus in Cetus

[dark compass]

thats rude

[dark spindle]

Honestly on paper Corpus weaponry should wipe the Grineer, even if in game they’re not necessarily as good

[dark compass]

[stiff fable]

imo we need either Amalgams using these or Narmer

[dark compass]

those are prototype weapons though

they end up having actual amalgam weapons

[stiff fable]

Correct, but Grineer have Orokin material science

[pale cedar]

Are Corpus ever going to fish out Third Orb?

[dark spindle]

I thought only the Seer used it

[stiff fable]

It's been narmer'd afaik so no

[dark compass]

ocucor and battacor are prototype weapons, but cyanex and komorex are proper amalgam weapons

[pale cedar]

Aren't Narmer just spying on it?

[fast dew]

Im gonna go pale pink soon tbh

[stiff fable]

I think it has the Narmer symbol post New War

[dark spindle]

Nice!

I went dark blue/black split dye

[strange plinth]

the third orb isn't even around pre-new war, is it?
or is it just under the map somewhere

[pale cedar]

In the lake

[stiff fable]

it's been on the map for years, even before New War

[strange plinth]

huh
ig i've only heard about it post-new war because it has that drone

[pale cedar]

It's been there years

DE plan in advance

[strange plinth]

lmao

[lean garden]

LMAO [DE]layed isnt even a real account

[restive river]

HA WHAT

[lean garden]

Im familiar with that account on tiktok

[stiff fable]

vessels would have been absolutely wild lmao

[fast dew]

Im also very very tempted to. Go get Albrecht's piercings done to my own ears lol

[pale cedar]

Tiktok is the worst source for what’s coming next

[fast dew]

WHAT THE HELL

Somehow the. Corpus stealing sentient tech is related to. The vessels

[pale cedar]

Their theory didn't pan out

[dark spindle]

Oooo nice

[fast dew]

Its either his or Loid's septum piercing

[pale cedar]

Do both

[fast dew]

I love that they have piercings

[fast dew]

I will cry 😭

[pale cedar]

Aloid hybrid

[fast dew]

Alloid hybrid one day

[pale cedar]

At the pain or how it looks?

[fast dew]

Pain, my ears are. Sensitive

I say as I have a daith which is arguably worse

[pale cedar]

My mom doesn't understand how sensitive to noise actually works

[fast dew]

Blast static at her.

Then try and get her to comprehend if all sound was like that.

[pale cedar]

She doesn't understand how I can play games just fine

[fast dew]

Some folk just. Wont understand

[dark compass]

finally, equinox proto-

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[pale cedar]

I have my TV on 10 volume

[fast dew]

Me and my 15 volume i think is still too loud

[fast dew]

That would be fun..

[dark compass]

which one is which

[pale cedar]

My issue isn't just a bit of sound it's a crowd of sound like loads of people

[humble sierra]

When gaming, I sometimes have headphones on one ear so I can still hear the outside world but sometimes the one I have it on starts ringing

[fast dew]

Loid is Sol, Albrecht is Lua

[fast dew]

Thats. Tinnitus bro 😭

[pale cedar]

I hate my ears

[fast dew]

Its the amount of sound sources not the actual sound

I feel. Really bad when I have my noise cancelling headphones on in public, I dont know why

I didnt bring them for tennovip cus. Idk they mightve gotten stolen

Brought the earphones though i had a friend with me so I didn't put them jn

[pale cedar]

When I was in college I could never understand how the support assistant people complained about us talking affecting deaf people yet the deaf people were also some of the loudest people in the room around other loud people just fine

[fast dew]

Mm, being hard of hearing does that

I get loud when I have my headphones on cuz. Idk

[pale cedar]

Sometimes at actually seemed like the assistants acted like only deaf people can have issues with sound being annoying

[fast dew]

Yeah you'll find that happens

Because mental disabilities aren't the same unless you have a really severe one

[dark spindle]

Huh, interesting

I think the problem is that ANC is just cancelling it out with more noise

So you might still actually have it reach your ear

[fast dew]

Mm true

I did get approved for more funding, so perhaps I'll convince them™ to get me. Decent ones that actually help

Today in lore chat, I shall explain that Albrecht might have some form of autism or PTSD

Along with his daughter having autism or BPD

[pale cedar]

Or both

I feel he definitely has PTSD considering what he went through

[fast dew]

Or both true but im not willing to choose either until he deals with his shit first

Albrecht go deal with your ptsd and then we'll talk autism

[pale cedar]

There's no way you survive Wally doing all that and come out without ptsd

[fast dew]

But no, people insist that he doesn't have any!

Because. Masculine means no trauma

[pale cedar]

Operator has PTSD from dealing with less than that

[fast dew]

Considering Albrecht got his skin blasted off id think hed have some issues

Nightmares at the very least

[pale cedar]

He even calls it panic and fear and can't tell if it was him who escaped despite the obvious answer

[fast dew]

Tbh i think the. Worry of who he is, shows he struggles with it

And. Mother fits the bill of BPD so badly 😭

... as in. Well

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

She fits it really well

[restive river]

With what Yonta dreams of I’d love to see what Albrecht dreams of

Speaking of
Think we could use the refractory to revisit dreams?

[pale cedar]

Himself as he is Wally

Maybe a bit of Loid

[restive river]

He wakes
Looks around
Tries to move
He cannot
For now he is the man trapped in that wall

[strange plinth]

potentially, would be interesting

[restive river]

The Loid makeout dreams

[restive river]

I think it’d be something neat to explore
A land of dreams of sorts

[fast dew]

I like to think his dreams that. Arent horrifying are. Mundane

[restive river]

I kinda just want a dreamframe ngl

[fast dew]

Yearning for what he lost or smthn

[pale cedar]

Should find a chart and see how many she fits

[restive river]

You can choose any character to push into the refractory so you can prance about in their mind and memories
Who you picking (other than Albrecht and Loid)

[fast dew]

I have the dsm-5, so. The best you got

[strange plinth]

unum

[fast dew]

Yonta, tbh. Mother or Father

[restive river]

Not sure she’ll fit but
Omg

[restive river]

Based

[fast dew]

Ive started to. Want to know more about them

[strange plinth]

wonder what we could get out of erra

[restive river]

Ah yes
The boyfailure

[humble sierra]

Clem (it just plays Doom 2016)

[fast dew]

DOOM

DOOM MENTION- gets violently shot by Vilcor

[restive river]

I hope we get something with Narmer this year, further their story along and tie them into the Tau Arc please 😔

[strange plinth]

lmao, yes
i want to know how he survived lua

[restive river]

FOR REAL THOUGH

He probably just had a fragment or something tbh

[fast dew]

Boy failures in warframe....

[restive river]

Grew back like Hunhow

[restive river]

He boy failured so hard his son became one for a long time too (Caliban)

[fast dew]

True..

Theres. A lot of them actually

[humble sierra]

Third Narmer orb surely

[pale cedar]

Fits 1 perfectly
Fits 2 I think
Don't know if she fits 3
Fits 4
Don't think she is 5
Fits 6

[humble sierra]

But yeah I feel like if we're getting Tau, there's definitely plans for Narmer and Erra

[pale cedar]

Thomas
Mother needs help

It's funny how the Entrati are the biggest proof Orokin aren't perfect

[fast dew]

What does she need help with

[pale cedar]

Being a better person

[fast dew]

She has Loid for that

[pale cedar]

She had us for that

We are therapists

Can Loid even give therapy?

Think he's qualified

[fast dew]

He might be

[smoky gulch]

You don't hate Ballas enough - so I was headcanoning he enjoyed framing pregnant woman, but that's actually canon

Full on taunting

[zenith ore]

You grow to hate him every minute

[cunning ore]

ehe, it still not

uhm, and it also confused me cause Jade's lore was the first thing i learned and then this

[strange turtle]

Yonta

[radiant pier]

how

[ocean geyser]

Some people like evil guys

[pale cedar]

Some people are evil guys so like evil guys

[cunning ore]

Dunno? Could be mental-coping mechanic 🤷‍♀️

[radiant pier]

either you're a lady with defined tastes or a misogynist so uh which?

[zinc sedge]

Good morning, my friends! I come baring another question of lore-

Do we know if the Lotus is able to interact with multiple Tenno at a time canonically? Like Ceribro from the X-Men

[cunning ore]

i dont know, maybe both? But i think that narcissist irl does have the same behavior like Ballas so and they tend to make most affections with how aethestic vibe being a live service

[cunning ore]

Which type of multiple Tenno do you mean?

[strange turtle]

No reason why she wouldn’t be able to, and there’s a lot of Tenno active at once, so probably

[zinc sedge]

Well, in game she can see and talk to us to give us mission info. So I mean like constantly addressing different situations in the same fireteam

[cunning ore]

If you talked about players as multiple Tennos, then i would short it as a theocraft of Eternalism

But if that you mean, then yes, Tenno as i remember being a faction leading by Lotus

And yea we just released from a fridge

[radiant pier]

I believe a great deal of our characters in Warframe would do quite well after therapy sessions

[zinc sedge]

Honestly ^^" writing for them has been rough, especially with the nuances from the story/gameplay

[fast dew]

True actually sometimes they're impossible to write 😭

Like damn why do you have so little characterisation

[zinc sedge]

DUDE I KNOW-I feel like writing Lotus is so hard because she has one side 😅 like she has a GREAT story, but my GOD man-

Even more so, making my own characters and story is difficult considering i'm avoiding being the main Tenno

[pale cedar]

Lotus the martyr

[zinc sedge]

Basically-

[humble sierra]

Lotus the mother

[pale cedar]

Soon to be Lotus the witch

[zinc sedge]

Actually one of my characters refer to her as "Mother Lotus"

[swift sentinel]

Lotus is a ||machine||, so there's no reason she couldn't split her attention multiple ways.

[humble sierra]

Yeah, remember, she's commanding every active Tenno

[zinc sedge]

..maaaaaan, I hate that's actually what I needed for the story xD

[fast dew]

While this isnt warframe, writing fanfic in 3rd person but. Biased towards doomguy's perspective is. One of the hardest things known to man. HOW AM I SUPPOSED TO WRITE A DUDE WHO HISTORICALLY HAS DOGSHIT CHARACTERISATION 💔

Oh i can say dogshit??

Awesome.

[tall echo]

you can say a lot of curses

not as many as the average australian needs but still a lot

[zinc sedge]

Dude oh my GOD-That's why I gave my team their own Cephalons, that way I don't have to do Ordis' friggen crash-outs every other line

[tall echo]

that's also just canon lol, ordis is only the player tenno's cephalon

[fast dew]

I don't mind mute characters. I love them! But when the mute character refuses to communicate like the adult he is, it becomes really hard to write something serious about him

[zinc sedge]

Oh thank goodness

[zinc sedge]

And for the Slayer, it's even harder because he does talk in the comics, but...poorly-

[fast dew]

That comic is not canon i refuse to accept it 💔 the books have better characterisation but THOSE ARE ALSO NOT CANON

[opaque zenith]

That's it! DOOM movie for fanfics cause he has more characterization /j

[fast dew]

And the games are fine but he's either crackhead going off at people or he's empty as shit

Or. He's passively suicidal and traumatised

[tall echo]

so just both halves of ptsd

[fast dew]

Somehow Olivia pierce has more characterisation

[tall echo]

warframe

[fast dew]

True

[zinc sedge]

Porque no los tres?

[fast dew]

...huh

I. May be dumb

[zinc sedge]

XD i was saying why not write with all three personalities

[fast dew]

Because its. Hard? He's. All 3 sometimes but. Its hard to tell when they're going to happen

[carmine monolith]

I wasn't aware of this nest of warframe players

[zinc sedge]

Yup! All cozy in a lore books and pages

[zinc sedge]

Ah, very valid

[fast dew]

True! We're all pretty. Chill

Until someone kicks. The nest and then everything goes down hill really really fast

[tall echo]

usually because of me

[zinc sedge]

Bah, you're fine! Though I think I kicked the nest once because of a question concerning Eternalism

[fast dew]

Nah, kicking the nest is when someone is just being a shit person and everyone ends up arguing

[tall echo]

you haven't seen me go full passive-aggressive yet

[pale cedar]

I have a weapon against Eternalism

[zinc sedge]

Oh that is gold, I havent seen that dialog yet

[zinc sedge]

I'm sure it's not so bad, I live in Minnesota

[pale cedar]

I have a weapon against Wally being a god too

[zinc sedge]

Mmh, that i do know! Conceptual embodiment is a linchpin in arguing against Wally

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/shaggy-are-you-challenging-me-scooby-gif-13519095

[fast dew]

We've known it for a while, Roach is just showing it to folk who didn't read the operator report

[pale cedar]

It gets annoying when people call Wally a god despite the multiple times there's the mention that Albrecht created him

Even Mother brings it up now

[zinc sedge]

Challenge? No, i'm saying i'm used to it xD

[pale cedar]

Eternalism was legit a bad idea

[zinc sedge]

It feels like a story based cop-out

[pale cedar]

Even DE didn't like it, so it seems so added Roathe dialogue to correct people

[tall echo]

eternalism isn't actually even used once

[pale cedar]

DE much prefer using CE

[tall echo]

drifter explicitly doesn't utilize eternalism bc they never left the void, they don't have their own reality

[fast dew]

Eh. No thats. Eternalism

[zinc sedge]

As far as i'm aware, it's used for the MCs choices. That's why they don't really reflect much, because "you made EVERY choice, but this one is where the wave form function collapsed on."

[fast dew]

Doesn't drifter use it to explain themselves existing or smthn

[tall echo]

n o?

[fast dew]

Ehh id say that counts

Though I wouldn't call it a cop-out to use it

Thankfully eternalism is not used. too often

Its mainly the player base that uses it in bullshit ways

[pale cedar]

3 times ever

[tall echo]

drifter is wrong

[opaque zenith]

K, one time to allow the freak update and we call it a day

[zinc sedge]

Well, look at the relics. Technically Ordis tells us that the outcome of the relic is every piece inside until we have enough void energy to force the wave function to collapse and grant certainty to the uncertain. We're showing the cat lived/died by using void energy, but until the absolute is considered, all options are correct

[pale cedar]

Drifter existing
Baro
Eleanor

[tall echo]

that's not player choices tho that's relics

[zinc sedge]

Well, let's then use a choice. The player drank/destroyed the Kuva

[humble sierra]

Relic choices

It's still choice based

[tall echo]

only one of them applies

[humble sierra]

Different outcomes

[fast dew]

Yes. That's eternalism

It is both and neither until the choice is made

[zinc sedge]

Right! But until we force that decision, both are correct/incorrect

[fast dew]

Which then it collapses into one reality

[tall echo]

that's
not eternalism though
that's just how. choices work

what.

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's what eternalism is, the fact that other choices had a possibility of happening

[tall echo]

is it eternalism when I choose between killing an ant and not killing an ant

[fast dew]

Yeah tbh

[zinc sedge]

Yup-

[humble sierra]

Yeah, in one the ant dies, in the other it doesn't

[tall echo]

the whole collapsing waveform thing isn't part of wf eternalism

[humble sierra]

Until you make that choice, the ant is alive and dead

[fast dew]

Eternalism isnt just a warframe thing doom has it

[zinc sedge]

Hold on, let me go find the dialog from Ordis, if i can-

[tall echo]

if it's the one for relics, don't

[fast dew]

It's a genuine theory of time, mother simplified it for us but. Still

[humble sierra]

Warframe doesn't show the collapsing stuff, those other consequences still exist, they're just not accessible

[zinc sedge]

Oh, okay

[zinc sedge]

Indeed, it's why I mentioned the cat. Whole thing with Schrodinger, Copenhagen interpretation, and quantum mechanics

[fast dew]

We still don't know what theory of time applies to our world, but. It very well could just be eternalism

[pale cedar]

"Void relics, what a baffling concept. Ordis will try to understand Void relics again: They say the contents of a relic are simultaneously this thing, or this thing, or this thing, but also that thing, and never just one of thing. That is, until… until it's exposed to a Void fissure? And, at that point, all the possibilities collapse, each one falling away until the relic cracks open and exposes one, singular thing. And at that moment, that thing becomes the only thing the relic ever contained?! Pfft… WHAT A LOAD OF— Ordis prefers known quantities, thank you very much."

[fast dew]

Eternalism over presentism

[tall echo]

"everything is now"

[opaque zenith]

IMO, I think there's a confusion here about quantum phisics (cat alive OR dead in the same "timeline") and eternalism (cat alive AND dead in diferent "timelines", theoretically accessible)

[zinc sedge]

I didn't do it-

[zinc sedge]

Ah, good point

Might be losing the forest here ^^"

[fast dew]

They're in the same branch of physics [quantum mechanics], Schroedinger's cat is just one theory inside

[opaque zenith]

Sure, but the timeline part makes a great diference between the theories

But tbf, this type of thing always gets confusing, thanks Wally for filtering the multiverve (or great part of it) i guess.
But I admit I think of Drifter's universe where the sentients probably won

[pale cedar]

Nah, the children were saved

[tall echo]

minus dripter

[pale cedar]

Yeah

After the deal, I’d say it went about the same

[opaque zenith]

Well that's less interessing... But they still don't have a drifter for them there, so I'll assume things aren't good in that side because narmer and 1999

[pale cedar]

Other Tenno exist

[tall echo]

arguably would go better since the void powers aren't tethered to one person in that reality

[pale cedar]

Its not like anything calls us the strongest Operator

[tall echo]

equips chroma

[misty helm]

Lorewise speaking, are there really many Tenno awake? I remember one user pointing it and it actually made sense; it would seem as we are the only Tenno going around and fixing stuff

[pale cedar]

Yeah, the moon was unsafe to keep them on

[zinc sedge]

Other Tenno are awake, but "we're" just the main homie

[tall echo]

who knows when eggman might come back

[misty helm]

So we are the stronk Tenno

[pale cedar]

Others still do stuff with us
There's just not 78 million Tenno out there

[tall echo]

no, our warframe is stronk

[zinc sedge]

Indeed! Like stated, we're just not en mas. It's a limited population

[smoky gulch]

And this population can go only down

[tall echo]

I'm not sorry for the joke

[misty helm]

Yeah, Rell is gone so -1 on that

[pale cedar]

Multiple died in Old Peace

Gara killed her Operator

[opaque zenith]

Sure, I'm going by with the "protagonist is missing" argument, but didn't everyone just dipped during narmer stuff?

[tall echo]

reread "void powers aren't tethered to one person in that reality" and extrapolate from there

[misty helm]

Yeah, taking that thing too! Like, what the hell are the other Tenno doing? If we didn't kicked Ballas golden butt and stopped him, the Origin system would have gone kaputt

[fast dew]

Other tenno are. Probably busy fighting in their own right

Or hiding. Perhaps their warframe got destroyed

[tall echo]

impossible, their warframe is strong!

[pale cedar]

Would've just come back anyway

[misty helm]

Would it be crazy to assume we (our Operator) is the Excalibur? Like, the operator of the OG ?

[fast dew]

No the lines are kinda cute