lore-discussion

[stiff fable]

Lotus just says that all Tenno are known to her

And that the Reservoir hides the Tenno secret

[strange plinth]

the second dream stuff was all located on lua, though
that's where the transference pods are
afaik its only Rell that was outside of lua

[stiff fable]

That's what I'm referring to yeah

Like, we know at least one Operator was off of Lua after the Old War

Voruna's own

[strange plinth]

possibly, but that still leaves time for them to be called back for the Long Sleep

[stiff fable]

Right, but there are cryo facilities all over

And orbiters have transference rooms

If at least three Tenno were put into cryo outside of Lua, woke up and weren't killed before aging to adulthood, we have three older Tenno as non-player Drifters

[radiant pier]

right so

bit confused, confessed to Lettie, yeah?

so this is the kimchat the day after that

and I...for the life of me, cannot tell if she's speaking in "relationships hurt" terms or in "are you a masochist?" terms

oh okay I just read the options, masochist

I LIKE HER EVEN MORE NOW

[stiff fable]

hahahaha

[radiant pier]

DE I see you

DE I hear you

[humble sierra]

There's a reason her dedicated Honoria is Pleasure and Pain

[clever linden]

Could it be accurate to call Wally the “Chaos-God of Indifference”?

[stiff fable]

That's almost certainly the direct inspiration

Though of course, there's a big difference between the Warp and the Void

The Warp is much safer.

[clever linden]

Hahahaha

Good one

[stiff fable]

Oh no, quite seriously, there's no such thing as safe Void travel

[clever linden]

In terms of safety, they are actually more or less equal as despite being described as realms of unimaginable horror, you can safely live in both

Like both have large scale societies

[stiff fable]

Duviri?

[clever linden]

That’s one

The other is Parvos’s Enclave

[stiff fable]

Because 95% of Duviri's been obliterated and the rest is likely to go

ah, no, Parvos is not an example

[clever linden]

And Baro Ki’teer’s fleet

[stiff fable]

Nor is Baro

Parvos is stuck in a moment of frozen time

If he leaves he dies instantly

[clever linden]

He’s not just one dude, he says he has a whole fleet working with him

[clever linden]

All of the void is beyond time though?

[stiff fable]

the land inside the Granum Void is the explosion that's about to kill him

Protea froze it

[strange plinth]

mhm, protea's temporal anchor keeps him there

[clever linden]

There actually is a figure that feels incredibly close to the indifference in 40k chaos god lore known as “Malice” he basically also represents cynical, pessimistic, meaningless destruction

And that’s what got me thinking in the first place

[fast dew]

I do not recommend going into the void actually

Looks at Albrecht and the void incident

[stiff fable]

Baro meanwhile is hitting up Orokin Towers, not freely traveling the Void

[strange plinth]

ehh?
isleweaver was consigned to apocrypha, regular duviri is fine

[stiff fable]

According to Acrithis Duviri used to be huge

[clever linden]

Well yeah he has a whole fleet helping him

He goes on trips with any Inaros player because he wants to

[strange plinth]

larger, yeah
but the current duviri seems stable enough

[stiff fable]

From horizon to horizon lay island after island, each one different, bearing distinctive colour and life.

I have flown on Kaithe-back until the Archarbor was lost to sight, and then on again, and have been unable to number the lands over which I flew. Every one of them raised its banners to Thrax.

Nothing remains of those islands now. Not a tree, not a leaf, not a grain of sand.```

Dozens, maybe even hundreds of islands

[clever linden]

Duviri is ours, Wally’s shit fanfiction “Triumph of Dust” only existed temporarily I believe

[stiff fable]

Down to... what, ten?

When looked at from that perspective, Thrax's insanity almost makes sense

[fast dew]

Hes not insane lol

[stiff fable]

(though he was like that from the start, so no credit for him)

[strange plinth]

also the scaro emails imply its just his ship iirc? unsure though

[fast dew]

He's really just a kid, a strange one, but he's just a kid

[stiff fable]

Definition of insanity: trying the same thing over and over and expecting a different result

In this case, murdering the Drifter

[fast dew]

Except. He's not really expecting a different result

And. Thats not really the clinical definition of insanity 😭

[strange plinth]

^ just something that got spread around

[fast dew]

Insanity is mainly a condition that causes blurred lines between reality and fiction, going so far as. It being indistinguishable between the two

An example being. I read a book about aliens kidnapping folk, if I was insane, there is a chance that I would genuinely believe that

[clever linden]

He said his ship got stuck in the void, his fleet answers to him, hence “him” being postponed

[strange plinth]

thrax is a child afraid of being abandoned by his best friend
he's doing whatever he can to keep them around
he's also a king with the power to loop time in his kingdom, which he uses to its full extent in keeping drifter around

[fast dew]

Do we not go with baro and. Hes alone?

[stiff fable]

which is actually a good description of Thrax since unlike most of Duviri's citizens he's aware that there is a difference between Drifter and the rest of his citizens, and continues to treat Drifter as he does

[clever linden]

Btw is it fair to believe that Scaro Ki’teer is/was the Drifter of Baro?

[fast dew]

Thats. A possible idea

[clever linden]

And, do you think he would return this Halloween?

[strange plinth]

potentially
scaro parallels the drifter quite well ('real' one gets stuck in the void for a while, alternate one appears n does their thing for a while, then disappears before the 'real' one returns)
though how exactly he came about is odd

[fast dew]

Condensed into one perfect being, not necessarily being. Himself [our baro]

[clever linden]

I bought into the “Drifter Baro” theory, so I gave my Drifter a Scaro drip look with Scaro’s armor and ephemera

[fast dew]

I do believe in it personally, scaro kiteer is. Far too different from wally for it to be him

[clever linden]

Me too

He’s too scared, nervous, despondent, to be jolly Wally

[fast dew]

He was. scared. thats not a wally thing 😭

Speaking the requiem poem backwards was. Weird

[clever linden]

Yeah

I hope he comes back this year for Halloween

[fast dew]

Wonderful poem Albrecht why is red baro speaking it backwards like some form of demon

[clever linden]

Hopefully with unique armor that’s not corpus armor reskinned this time

[stiff fable]

I'm fairly certain it's Wally

[fast dew]

Ehh

[stiff fable]

In the same way that Rusalka is Wally

There might have been a person there

[clever linden]

Why would Wally sell us stuff?

[stiff fable]

By the end, there is not

[fast dew]

I. Feel we'd have pretty obvious wally indicators

[stiff fable]

It's one more finger into reality

[fast dew]

Even Neci has some

[stiff fable]

Reading Albrecht's lines

[fast dew]

Mm, which ones?

[narrow pendant]

i reunited them. the DIE brothers

[stiff fable]

".emalfa htrae dna yks eht ,sllef ti srats eht era sdlareh stI .eman on sraeb hcihw taht yb dleheb ew era sflug gnidoorb morF"

[fast dew]

Tatto gem..

[stiff fable]

The requiem poems

[fast dew]

Yeah, the requiem poem

I don't think that indicates wally

[stiff fable]

oh wait lmao

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/DWeek4LeavingSoon0200Baro_en.ogg?4b1f4

[fast dew]

In fact, do we have any instance of wally speaking backwards?

[narrow pendant]

notable funny names in my collection
racial ambiguity and cheeso fanta

[stiff fable]

Rap
Tap
TAP

[fast dew]

Rell. Also said rap tap tap

[stiff fable]

When he was possessed by Wally

[fast dew]

These arent real wally indicators

[clever linden]

Strategist Die 💀

[strange plinth]

that doesn't mean its wally, just that scaro knows of wally

[clever linden]

Yeah, like us

[narrow pendant]

EXTREME CORRECTION HAS BEEN CARRIED OUT

[strange plinth]

which would make sense, if baro made a deal and scaro is the result in some way

[clever linden]

Judgement has been visited upon their flesh!!!

[fast dew]

You'd need more. Wally indicators like Kiddo or. Even a smile

Void tongue would be preferable

[stiff fable]

k

[fast dew]

Thats. Not a wally smile cmon

[stiff fable]

It's not a Baro smile

[fast dew]

Thats just baro

[stiff fable]

No, it's genuinely not

[strange plinth]

and it isn't Baro, its Scaro

[clever linden]

Miss you Scaro.

[clever linden]

Holy shit he smiled once!!! Wally confirmed

[clever linden]

I actually have 1 Arbiter who actually has the title “Arbiter” but they have the worst stats out of my 3 Arbiters, so I dressed him like an Aspirant.

[fast dew]

Gotta. Bring up Baro's appearance in tennocon 2021's banner. Idk he looks like hes smiling here

[stiff fable]

yeah, that's a smile, not a smirk

[clever linden]

Yeah so Scaro is smiling less

[fast dew]

... its the same smile. Its two different models so it wont look 1 to 1, but its the same smile.

[stiff fable]

That's not a sadistic look

[narrow pendant]

the briber

he pay2winned

[clever linden]

Compared to normie version

[fast dew]

Id need to get Wally's smile too

[clever linden]

Once I get an actual arbiter deserving of the title I’m firing him lol

[stiff fable]

also this pushed me to look at Baro's dialogue more closely, I didn't realize he got a dialogue refresh last year

[clever linden]

News to me

[stiff fable]

Apparently though, he does not have a fleet

He says you'd need a fleet to match his awesomeness

[clever linden]

He said he has a fleet of void skimmers

[clever linden]

Because he has that

[stiff fable]

The Void is a place of endless probability. Unless you have a fleet of light-skippers and relic seekers, you'll never reach the depths I've plumbed.

I searched all his dialogue, no fleet

[strange plinth]

-# sythel did too

[clever linden]

He says that with such specificity because he has that.

[stiff fable]

He talks about his personal ship

Not about his fleet

[clever linden]

Of course he does

[fast dew]

Woe, Albrecht's image getting warped by the indifference to make this smile

[clever linden]

He did

[fast dew]

Like theres. Baro smile and there's. Wally smile

[clever linden]

Wally grins, normal people smile

[narrow pendant]

speaking of wallies smile, i somewhat managed to make it seem like his face is on my harrows chest

[fast dew]

oh thats cool

[clever linden]

What emblem?

[narrow pendant]

full fit

[fast dew]

Mhm. All teeth and. Gums. Its not typical of wally to smile without them

[clever linden]

Neat

[fast dew]

Yes, yes she did!

[narrow pendant]

meanwhile my lyon is just the most barebones but closest you can get to a vergil cosplay lmao

[fast dew]

Mm, I do wish we got more on how Duviri was written. Did mother write these characters with her own traits in mind? Surely they cannot just be 1 to 1 of Albrecht's versions of them

[narrow pendant]

probably expanded on it

cant believe albrecht has enough expirience with emotions to create characters that vividly personalize them

[fast dew]

He. Experiences these emotions, he just. Cannot verbalise it i think

[pale cedar]

Mother wrote a book on CE and was then shocked when the Void did CE

[stiff fable]

so, this is going to sound dramatic, but I searched every instance of the word fleet on Orokin Archive, and never found Baro saying it. Then I checked the good wiki, and across all his inbox messages and incidental dialogue only found him gloating about how he's better than a whole fleet

[fast dew]

Mhm, which. Is the weird part

Was. Was duviri not written with CE in mind?

[stiff fable]

If you have a quote or source, I'd like to see it, because right now, there's no indication that Baro has more than his personal ship.

He does throw good parties though

[pale cedar]

Does he at least invite us to these parties?

[stiff fable]

all of us who bought Primed Chamber should get a personal invite from him

but no he's still taunting you about them

"Maybe you'll find an invitation to one of my parties! ...No, of course you won't."

[narrow pendant]

my bad, im aware i just worded it poorly

[pale cedar]

That's it
I'm going to crash into one of his parties for no invitation

[stiff fable]

same

saaaaame

[fast dew]

"I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life?"

Girl i thought you knew about CE wdym

[stiff fable]

actually that'd be a cool quest

[strange plinth]

granum mindset (he doesn't get invited either apparently)

[fast dew]

Parvos knows why he doesn't get invited.

[stiff fable]

Baro's hosting a party and you have to keep someone from stealing the charity auction

Parvos isn't invited because he's a rat

who broke into the Entrati labs, stole stuff, and claimed it was his all along

[fast dew]

Reckon Albrecht and his Family would be invited

[pale cedar]

Parvos isnt invited because he knows we'd get him for attending

[worn cypress]

When does usually de release a main quest ?

[pale cedar]

December

[stiff fable]

once a year in December

[fast dew]

December... we're like. A third of the way there

[worn cypress]

😔

[stiff fable]

there's usually something story adjacent in fall

[fast dew]

We get new main content 4 times a year, roughly

[pale cedar]

Though DE did do 2 big main quests once because they delayed Duviri

[stiff fable]

Like Lotus Eaters or Isleweaver

[clever linden]

Cus he has more value than them

Who goes to his parties?

[fast dew]

Which would be the update around tennocon

[clever linden]

When is next Tennocon then?

[stiff fable]

Rich and famous people from across the Origin System

[strange plinth]

july iirc

[fast dew]

June? July?

[clever linden]

Like who

[pale cedar]

July 10-11

[worn cypress]

What is tenocon

[fast dew]

Big convention for tenno, held in London Ontario, Canada

[stiff fable]

probably other members of the Corpus Board, the heads of independent colonies and the like

The Tenno actually stay out of mainstream Origin System culture

[fast dew]

Yk like. Cosplay cons? That but warframe themed

[pale cedar]

It's an event where us Tennoconvicts learn what is coming next and everyone screams

[stiff fable]

Like we've never interacted with the rail jockeys

[clever linden]

He’s not corpus though

[stiff fable]

But they were a surprisingly big part of the lore for several years

Yes but they have money and haven't pissed him off

[fast dew]

Man I just think of. The bonejockey

[clever linden]

They are actually one of the most powerful factions and the main reasons grineer or corpus haven’t won their Cold War.

A really good analogy is the Ancient Japan Shogunates, that’s literally how Tenno are organized

[stiff fable]

ehhhhh mmmmm kinda ish

The shogunate is not a good example because that was a military dictatorship that puppeted the imperial dynasty

[clever linden]

Well we aren’t Democratic or anything

[stiff fable]

There's actually no real world equivalent possible

Both the Grineer and Corpus are superpowers

[clever linden]

We have a military hierarchy, Lotus leads everyone, the Tenno Council leads their respective Dojo’s (Founders) and so on and so forth

[stiff fable]

Ever since Project Tethra, they've been at war

They're fighting over the same territory back and forth

but any time one side or the other starts to get an advantage, the Tenno show up and smash it

[clever linden]

I thought corpus and grinder had been at war for ages and the main reason lotus awoke specifically us was because the grineer were about to win their war of attrition

[stiff fable]

So they have to spend MORE money and resources to keep the fight going

[stiff fable]

no no, not at all

In fact, until the quest The Archwing, the Grineer and Corpus were... well, not at peace, but not completely at war

[pale cedar]

Grineer weren't even originally soldiers

[stiff fable]

That's more Cold War

[midnight ice]

cant imagine how allied corpus on Invasion missions feel. sees a tenno start wiping the floor with grineer and tjinks this is the best day of my goddamn life

[clever linden]

It’s cus the shogunate did mercenary work like us

[stiff fable]

Everyone knew the fighting was going to happen because both factions want to rule the Origin System, but it takes Vay Hek finishing the Formorians for the war to start

noooooo it didn't work like that

[pale cedar]

I wonder which faction would've been better at destroying Vesper

[stiff fable]

The shogunate RULED Japan

[clever linden]

Actually they’ve been soldiers since The Old Peace

But not originally yeah

[stiff fable]

And to make sure none of the factions got strong enough to challenge it, it made them travel back and forth between the capital and their home territories

the Tenno are in the opposite position

We want no one ruling the Origin System

[clever linden]

I’m not talking about absolute rule, I’m talking about military structure and mercenary jobs despite being an authority unto itself

[stiff fable]

so we make sure the two contenders spend all their energy and money fighting each other

again, please check your history, the shogunate was not a mercenary force

I'm very very far from an expert, but that just wasn't how it worked

[clever linden]

They were not strictly speaking a PMC or something but they did do mercenary work

It was a side hustle like for us

[stiff fable]

No, they really, truly did not

[pale cedar]

They were the military force of Japan rather than a mercenary group

[stiff fable]

The shogunate we think of when we talk about "the" shogunate was a bureaucracy

[clever linden]

but it officially permitted and enabled the recruitment of Japanese samurai and ronin (masterless samurai) to work as mercenaries for foreign powers in Southeast Asia during the early 17th century.

[stiff fable]

Fully the government of Japan during the European Renaissance and most of the colonial period

okay I can tell you used AI for that

[clever linden]

I just looked at the first result

[stiff fable]

Do not

Ever

[clever linden]

It’s a search function

[stiff fable]

You are getting this wrong wrong wrong, and even your right answers are so far out of context that actual Japanese people would think your teachers hated you, you're so wrong

[worn cypress]

What are exactly protoframes ?

[clever linden]

The actual Japanese people would deny war crimes that actually happened, that’s not the W you think it is.

[crimson abyss]

i wonder if DE was inspired by the xen from half life when making the infestation

[stiff fable]

separate issue

[clever linden]

Exactly

[stiff fable]

I'm not going to make excuses for that, but no, the shogunate was not a mercenary force

[strange plinth]

people given modified warframe serums. the transformation is slowed

[clever linden]

Or perhaps their prior game that had something very close to the infestation?

[worn cypress]

So they are not the real warframe we see now ? @strange plinth

[clever linden]

I never said they were

Just that they did it

[crimson abyss]

true i forgot about that

that idea came to my head when i saw a half life poster in warframe

[strange plinth]

they would eventually become full warframes, but they would not survive to the orokin era

[stiff fable]

Honestly I'm surprised it was Half-Life and not Unreal Tournament

[clever linden]

That blew my mind

[stiff fable]

Since you know, DE made UT

and that made me curious, I'd forgotten that DE redid the UT skins in 2024, and they're permanently in the market now

[worn cypress]

Why not survive @strange plinth

[strange plinth]

the at least 18 radiation wars between 1999 and the orokin era, mostly

[clever linden]

I’d love to see the radiation wars one day

Something like fallout

[strange plinth]

earth getting nuked that many times will almost certainly wipe out the protoframes, even if they've fully transformed by that point
and we know that ballas comes up with the warframes on his own without any time travel bootstrap shenanigans

[worn cypress]

When was radiation wars stated ?

[lean garden]

on the turn of the 21st century

[stiff fable]

sometime after the infestation fully broke out

so several months to several years after 1999

unfortunately the Orokin used the Radiation Wars as an excuse to erase pre-Orokin history, as part of their takeover

[strange plinth]

1. What event concluded the Eighteenth Radiation War?

A. The destruction of the Arctic Hive Cluster (correct)

B. The assassination of Marcellus Ambrosius Lephantis
and we know there's at least 18 from this zariman tablet in duviri

[clever linden]

We don’t know about the specifics of the radiation wars

[worn cypress]

Aren't orokin normal humans or what ?

[clever linden]

The end result was the ascension of the Orokin

[stiff fable]

They were normal humans, once

[clever linden]

Sorta, they modified themselves to look that way

[crimson abyss]

humans that made themselves blue

[strange plinth]

orokin are human, just biomodded to be that way

[stiff fable]

But they used genetic engineering to change their bodies

...then they used Kuva to take other people's bodies, and change those too

(Even the Entrati family on Deimos have stolen more than a few bodies from kids)

[worn cypress]

What's kuva originated from 🙂

[stiff fable]

The full answer is one of the game's big mysteries

But it seems to be blood that's been.... changed? by the Void

[strange plinth]

unknown. existed before the void, but seems related in some way
has properties that only exist in the presence of void, and has manifested in duviri before

[worn cypress]

Aren't orokin all the humans in the civilisation or only the 7 ?

[worn cypress]

Where is it stated it's relation to the void ?

[stiff fable]

No, there's a difference

Orokin is the name of the Empire, but also a specific bunch of people inside the Empire

You can think of it as the "real" Orokin, and everyone they bossed around
The Seven Executors were the seven highest ranking judges in the government

[clever linden]

They are the descendants of a mysterious secret society named O.R.O active at least since 1999, sponsors of the Skaldra PMC

Not confirmed, just my theory: O.R.O stands for “Omnia Research Organization”

[stiff fable]

There's a tablet in Duviri that talks about kuva

"Void derived properties"

[strange plinth]

^ + one of the lost isles of duviri had kuva spring up from the ground
was a farm before that, i think
don't remember why its lost now

[stiff fable]

Thrax took one look at the blood and went "nope"

[strange plinth]

reasonable

[stiff fable]

Pretty sure he had Lodun smash the bridge

[pale cedar]

What is 'kuva'?

A. Fluid with Void-derived capacity to conduct consciousness (correct)

B. The liquid remnants of departed Orokin saints

[stiff fable]

yup Orowyrm

[worn cypress]

How is duviri standing and safe while being in the void ?

[clever linden]

But if it’s not “Omnia Research Organization” what do u think O.R.O stood for?

[stiff fable]

It's mostly not!

[pale cedar]

It's been attacked multiple times

[stiff fable]

Wally is attacking it constantly, and has destroyed most of it by the time of the game

[clever linden]

Defended generally by us

[worn cypress]

By who ? The void ang

[stiff fable]

The Man in the Wall, mostly

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[smoky gulch]

Even before Isleweaver there are lesser incursions by Void - as seen by Undercroft and possessed animals

[stiff fable]

But as to why it's standing, there's a paradox that the teach in Christian school

[clever linden]

This was crazy to see with basically no spoilers

[stiff fable]

"If God is all-powerful, can God make a sandwich that God can't finish eating?"

The answer is "Yes, and then God would finish eating it anyway."

[clever linden]

That doesn’t make sense

[worn cypress]

I lived it fortunately 😀

[stiff fable]

The Void is all-powerful and can do basically anything

[clever linden]

Awww sad for u

[stiff fable]

But the Man in the Wall is not all powerful

[worn cypress]

I meant it wasn't spoiled for me

[clever linden]

I think drifter says Wally is the closest thing to an alien they’ve found

[stiff fable]

So he doesn't have the power to destroy things made by the Void, he has to spend time and effort breaking it down

[clever linden]

Ohhh ok

[worn cypress]

The question is wrong

[clever linden]

Actually if anything Wally is closer to Satan

[worn cypress]

Do we know what is wally ? Or is it the mystery of the game

[clever linden]

And we are ‘his’ demons

[stiff fable]

We don't know

[clever linden]

Described as demons multiple times

[stiff fable]

There are many theories in game

One of Warframe's big setting details is that there are no aliens

[clever linden]

Well drifter says Wally’s the closest thing to an alien they’ve found

Oh, and the actual aliens, XENOflora

[stiff fable]

The Orokin are humans, the Infestation is made of humans, the Sentients were made by humans etc

[clever linden]

Yep, flowers are our first aliens

If u don’t count interdimensional beings

[stiff fable]

They said this after Chains of Harrow, which means that the Man in the Wall is some kind of reflection of humanity

[strange plinth]

even if you count wally, its possible he was made (accidentally, via CE) by albrecht

[clever linden]

Aliens can do that, such as in Annihilation

[stiff fable]

Right, that's Roathe's theory

And many players', of course

[strange plinth]

-# we had it first /s

[stiff fable]

But the fact that an Orokin says it means it's wrong

[clever linden]

Starting to think Capitan blocked me, went from responding to everything I said to ignoring me flat…

[smoky gulch]

Honestly can we even tell whether Wally is sapient? Or is it just reacting based on fears that people have?

[stiff fable]

I haven't, just don't have the need to comment since I'm working on a stream of consciousness

[clever linden]

Definitely a sentient being

[stiff fable]

As far as we can tell there's intent there

[strange plinth]

i mean, he talks to us pretty frequently in a sapient manner
i don't think he'd drive an entire colony ship's worth of parents insane, and "justify" it later, if not

[stiff fable]

He altered the Cavia

[clever linden]

Warframe is sort of a “fight fire with fire” type of game, we fight the god of the void with the power of void he gave us.

The only thing we have that he doesn’t is our “light”

[stiff fable]

If he was just reacting to people's fears, he would have increased their intelligence and appeared to them

[worn cypress]

Xenoflor ?

[clever linden]

.

[strange plinth]

i mean, so far we've been fighting him with his weakness: love

[smoky gulch]

As low belief person, I could see its actions as Chinese Room situation - the actions seem to give out sapience, but because it reflects humanity it interacts with

[stiff fable]

Xenoflora are the in-game exception, but hmmm are you familiar with the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy?

[clever linden]

I mean in terms of powers, not themes

[stiff fable]

There's something called the Babblefish

[clever linden]

They are still alien life tho

Or they were, before the Orokin killed them

[stiff fable]

Which in that story proves that there is no God, because it's SO convenient that it can't exist without being created deliberately

And God says that if he's ever proven to exist, he doesn't exist, and disappears in a puff of logic

[clever linden]

Uh

[stiff fable]

The Xenoflora is SO convenient that it almost has to have been manufactured

[worn cypress]

No

[pale cedar]

I created it

[stiff fable]

It shows up just in time to break the Sentient hivemind when they're about to boot the Orokin out of Tau for good

[clever linden]

Even if it was, it’s still alien life

Or, was.

[stiff fable]

Then they end up asking for peace instead of winning the war, which lets the Orokin manipulate their way into controlling most of Tau outright

[pale cedar]

We don't actually know if all of it was destroyed as there are still other locations in the Tau System

[stiff fable]

iirc it was only on Perita

[clever linden]

Just a guess: Modern Tau is fully terraformed into an earthly paradise as the Orokin Orbs turned them into, just as the Orokin wanted them to be, the Orokin never being able to live there and the Sentients hating the invasive wildlife

[pale cedar]

Where was it mentioned it only exists in the moon?

[strange plinth]

its been at least a thousand years for the terraforming machines to make it into whatever, though

[clever linden]

Exactly

[stiff fable]

oh wait no, Adis says "whole planet, whole system"

[strange plinth]

despite the world seeders, i mean
the world seeders activated, then there's 1000+ years for the sentients to do whatever

[clever linden]

World seeders, that’s what I meant by “Orokin orbs”

[stiff fable]

I'm going to bet that Tau actually has living Orokin running at least half the show

[clever linden]

I think they tried to stop the process but whatever the Orokin did to the Tau worlds became permanent

[pale cedar]

Think Tau 2026 is going to force Operator or allow Drifter again?

[stiff fable]

Both

[clever linden]

Maybe that new Executor girl we keep hearing about, but nobody other than her.

[stiff fable]

Lotus has some new dialogue where she implies that both Operator and Drifter are going to Tau

[clever linden]

We play as both and they fight each other. They’ve borderline confirmed this.

[strange plinth]

i don't think it could become permanent, because the sentients are both highly adaptable and built to be terraformers
they could turn it into whatever they wanted

[stiff fable]

Nitohk's almost certainly dead, Hunhow blew up the solar rail long before the Old War ended

[clever linden]

They must have become too focused on fighting the Old War to conduct anti-terraforming research

[pale cedar]

Huh?
Wasn't that just Roathe being Orokin?

[clever linden]

Yeah I’m sure they are giving her a lot of screentime and set up for absolutely no reason at all….

[stiff fable]

and, er, Operator and Drifter fighting each other is a fan concept

[clever linden]

Their exact words were “Operator vs Drifter” in response to “Will we play as Operator or Drifter in Tau?”

[strange plinth]

where was this said?

[pale cedar]

Got a source for that?

[clever linden]

A devstream or short

[strange plinth]

helpful.

[clever linden]

I can hunt for it

[stiff fable]

There's going to be something with Nitohk but I think it'll be more connected to the unannounced update they're not announcing until the end of the month, not Tau

[clever linden]

Like Roathe even talked about her being worse than Ballas

They wouldn’t do that unless they plan for her to be alive

Otherwise it’s just “take my word for it, bro”

[stiff fable]

Because they've already done the "Orokin controls entire major faction" plot twice

[strange plinth]

Roathe also says that we think Ballas is the worst because we knew Ballas the most
but Roathe knew Nitokh the most, so ofc he'd think she's the worst

[clever linden]

Yeah ppl who like controlling stuff control stuff

[stiff fable]

nailed it

Nitohk's HIS Ballas

[clever linden]

His perspectives were really interesting

[stiff fable]

Besides, Drifter should probably hate Tuvul the most

[strange plinth]

Drifter has some mild beef with Ballas for having to deal with Narmer, but Tuvul would be more prominent due to. uh. everything with the zariman

[stiff fable]

yup

[clever linden]

Actually having to survive against Narmer for who knows how long must have made drifter hate Ballas even with no prior connection to lotus

Also apparently Narmer will be getting “proper content” soon so that’s exciting

Hopefully that means star chart presences

[strange plinth]

i've not heard anything about that, either

[radiant pier]

my goat Hunhow

[stiff fable]

They've talked about Narmer content a few times over the years

We all know about the third orb mother, but that's not coming anytime soon from the sound of things

[strange plinth]

a few months at most, maybe?
i don't think it could've been that long between their escape from duviri and when we pick up in TNW
Nora's aware of them, and Drifter + Ordis are aware of and potentially encountered an archon before, but they've not done anything really significant

[smoky gulch]

I loved the TNW moment where Drifter, presented as icebreaker of Narmer opposition, learns that there's this guy named Ballas

[stiff fable]

"Riiiight, Ballas."

[clever linden]

I swear this and “operator vs drifter” was mentioned. I’m scrolling through posts trying to find where now

[clever linden]

When was this moment?

[clever linden]

I thought the Narmer Occupation lasted years

[strange plinth]

Drifter: "Yeah. Still missing a few from the deck. Hunting that golden freak I figure... what's his name?"
Operator: "Ballas? Wait, so you don't know--"
Drifter: "--Ballas, right. Pfft-huh, you ought to be more careful. I might not be around next time."
-# which imo is just drifter being sarcastic as hell but meh

[clever linden]

Little Duck even reminisces about Drifter “reminds me of the Tenno days” like it’s this bygone era

[strange plinth]

it isn't clear exactly how long. could've been months, could've been years
but i don't think drifter was around for much longer than we saw them for

[stiff fable]

I've genuinely never been sure what to make of that line

Thinking about it now, I almost wonder if the Drifter ended up back in the Spiral again

[pale cedar]

I'd assume it’s a reference to multiple of them going to Duviri

[stiff fable]

maybe I need to listen to one of the other VA's delivery

Like, the Drifter could be checking to see if the Operator's remembered everything after being trapped in the Zariman for so long

"Where are you in your personal timeline? Got your gear? Know which Executor you're fighting and why?"

[strange plinth]

-# Operator: "What the hell--"
-# Drifter: "--Hungry?"
-# Operator: "Uh. Yeah."
-# Drifter: "Ordis... okay?"
-# Operator: "Yeah. But, what are--"
-# Drifter: "--Got all your Warframes back."
-# Operator: "Yeah. Why did you--"
-# Drifter: "--So where's she at now?"
-# Operator: "I don't know."
-# Drifter: "Yeah. Still missing a few from the deck. Hunting that golden freak I figure... what's his name?"
-# Operator: "Ballas? Wait, so you don't know--"
-# Drifter: "--Ballas, right. Pfft-huh, you ought to be more careful. I might not be around next time."
-# Operator: "Around? Okay, so what is this, then? Are you from the--"
-# Drifter: "--future? Naw... but that'd be a lot easier to get, now wouldn't it? As far as I can make it out: You're the me that got rescued from this shit. And I'm the you that did not. Not sure which of us got it worse."
-# Operator: "So... you've been stuck here this whole time?"
-# Drifter: "Not here exactly... but yeah, stuck. You got bigger problems, right now at least."
full interaction for full context

[stiff fable]

yep that's it

[smoky gulch]

Right, delivery makes the context here

[stiff fable]

My Drifter's voice sounded too insincere lol

[worn cypress]

When was it

[smoky gulch]

4 messages above you, on Zariman

[radiant pier]

I wonder how much the drifter actually learned about our timeline

and it's history

[clever linden]

I hope he has a chance to play half life

[radiant pier]

who's he

[clever linden]

Drifter

Uh, “they” I guess

But I just see Drifter as…drifter

U know?

The drifter

That’s how I made him look

Anyways I have 1 Orokin you can’t really say anything bad about: Grandmother Entrati

[smoky gulch]

She's conniving and backstabber, but she does get things done this way

Oh, ever looked at Necralisk character positions? Kids are in one wing, Father is a momma's boy hanging onto her, Otak greets Tenno on air entrance, while Mother domineers from center

Really wondering how much of it is player convenience, how much suggestion on relations

[clever linden]

I think that’s a gameplay thing not an intentional narrative design

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, bounty giver being in straight central line is convenient - but hey, it's fun to train perception

[clever linden]

Backstabber? Has she fatally betrayed people?

If you’re talking about her spying on her family, they are more impulsive and brash than her so she kinda has to

[radiant pier]

which does not make her any less of a backstabber

[smoky gulch]

She uses foul play to achieve kind results

[twin wigeon]

Well if Drifter came in as soon as Operator was banished to the void, it’d mean that Drifter was around for the rise of the Narmer Empire in its entirety

Dodging Narmer, Deacons, and Archons, staying stealthy to avoid Ballas’ attention

[radiant pier]

I do wonder where the Drifter "spawned"

[twin wigeon]

I’d assume he’d spawned on earth, because of how he established a whole like node as a base

[fast dew]

I wouldn't call father that tbh, he is just. Pathetic a lil

[twin wigeon]

Drifter’s landing wasn’t it called?

[fast dew]

She.

Nuked the heart??

[twin wigeon]

No drifter’s camp

[fast dew]

Hermit's landing iirc

OH YOU MEAN DRIFTER

[twin wigeon]

Am the eeps

Am eepy, need more sleepy

[fast dew]

Real

[cunning ore]

Hello, anything news?

[fast dew]

Nah, not really

[smoky gulch]

Oh, I'm playing it up a bit - Father's mostly weak-willed, if anything

Hard to be stronger than the ego other family members show

[fast dew]

Yeah getting stabbed by your wife does that to you

[twin wigeon]

Eh just some brief theorizing of when and where did drifter spawn into the origin system during TNW

[cunning ore]

Okay, how about we start at the ship they stole?

[twin wigeon]

Skaut

[cunning ore]

Like the first cutscene at Earth, we definetly used a stolen craft

yea that

So it maybe somewhere close with Grineer faction, Drifter's Camp posible but need to check at the Orbiter

[twin wigeon]

A stolen craft using a stolen cephalon from another stolen craft, the orbiter

[cunning ore]

We also have penguin-lookin Ordis tho

[twin wigeon]

Penguin ordisssss

[cunning ore]

Sorry, he look cute like penguin so yea

I named that form of him as Penguin Ordis

https://tenor.com/view/pingu-work-out-treadmill-tired-gif-15084400638827902947

yea look alike like 70%

[twin wigeon]

No No I wasn’t judging, it’s a cute and apt description

[cunning ore]

Yea so im thinking of somewhere close to Cetus or The Unum since Plain of Eidolon do have that much Skaut?

And there also a place need to transfere out of the warframe to be in-there, Onkko's place? It theocraft since we do not really know tho

[smoky gulch]

After getting as numb as drifter did, getting murdered forever, I guess hijacking personal craft or flying under influence wouldn't be that unreasonable

[fast dew]

Ordis always looked like an owl to me

And. Racist ordis does too

[pale cedar]

Looks like an owl trashcan to me

[cunning ore]

Like they needed to steal a Corpus craft to yk, find clues of Hunhow to ask for help

I still think Ordis look like a floating Penguin...dang

Corpus ship to access Fortuna and Neptune?

[pale cedar]

Wasn't the craft to get to Hunhow not to find his location

[cunning ore]

yea to get to Hunhow, i just remember that we used to need to change craft to find Hunhow for help

[pale cedar]

Because y’know a Tenno Vessel stands out too much

[cunning ore]

Yea so that why we discuss about the ship of the first cutscene to really check the Drifter's spawned in TNW

Because Drifter jumped out from a Skaut not an Orbiter

[smoky gulch]

Which is kinda funny considering Tenno vessels were previously stated to void-sneak through any space defences

[cunning ore]

So i'm trying to figure out where they might spawn through the craft they jumped out, faction that need ship like that to gain access in

[pale cedar]

Orbiter does
Landing crafts took advantage of speeding to the location then speeding out

[cunning ore]

well, at least it not in Ballas's Narmer Time

[pale cedar]

Orbiter was also seemingly on low power mode based on a thing Steve wrote

[smoky gulch]

Right, which is also why we can change from Tenno Liset lander

[cunning ore]

Like every planets in the cutscene already showed how it all-Narmer locks

[cunning ore]

i think that because we lack things from Orokin time so it just that

[pale cedar]

Weirdly
I think Skaut was used to blend in with Grineer but Drifter took Condor to blend in with Corpus yet took a Corpus vessel to a Grineer planet

Think it was just only thing available at the time situation

[cunning ore]

So it could be because of the productive chain, we can see that Fortuna quite like a factory that producing the Narmer Veil tho

So maybe that? But to think of it, why still producing Narmer Veil when there is like almost no one else to put them on?

[clever linden]

Uh, for new births?

[fast dew]

For huh

[clever linden]

I remind everyone that Narmer wasn’t solely Ballas’s pet empire

[cunning ore]

new births?

of what?

[clever linden]

The sentients plan wasn’t just to protect tau, it was to destroy the Orokin and replace them as masters of Origin system

[clever linden]

People??? As far as I know there’s no law against that in Narmer

New kids would be born from corpus or ostron, they’d need veils too

[cunning ore]

Like everyone already veiled tho so why mass-product and for know, unless he intend to make an invasion to somewhere else with his queen, "Margulis"

[clever linden]

New ppl would be born who needed veils

[cunning ore]

Nah, to casual, you forget at how they were born

[clever linden]

Huh?

[cunning ore]

it hard to really explain this, but okay i will count as one of possible if he got "Margulis" and intend to make "Margulis" belike Gaia of WF

[clever linden]

Uhh

[cunning ore]

With the veil put on them, do you think he would let them to produce child normal ways or we use the Grineer-method, like what that they call?

Oh yea cloning

[clever linden]

Why wouldn’t they??

Also if they let all factions die off except Grineer, goodbye to corpus tech and enginuity

Or ostron survivalism

[cunning ore]

Okay then i will count it as a possible since my brain cannot make a logictree in current statement

[clever linden]

Hey you said it

But yeah no I have not seen any evidence of a reproduction ban in Narmer doctrine, they’d still do that and need new veils for newcomers

[cunning ore]

it a possibility but still hardly since Ballas might have a the tech of cloning

yea but he got the same trait of Lotus, now i think of it

[clever linden]

Lotus is a robot, Ballas at time of Narmer was an Amalgam

[cunning ore]

I mean in how swiftly he changed the mission from "Dominating The Origin System" to "Eliminating The Origin System"

I mean that trait, not that

[clever linden]

He thought he would be welcomed into Tau as a hero

[cunning ore]

Like our Lotus often" Change of plan, elimitate everything."

[clever linden]

Oh yeahhh true

[cunning ore]

i mean the jk 😭

Yea so they common in that

[clever linden]

They do have some similar traits even if they wouldn’t admit it

[cunning ore]

Yea, that why a simp like me in pain abit of that but lol so back to the first topic

ChillyMango wonder of where Drifter could be spawned during TNW

[clever linden]

And lotus said that both drifter and operator are part-sentient at this point too, Drifter has Natah’s hand implanted over his own, and Operator has Adis’s soul

[clever linden]

Wait………u actually like Ballas?

[cunning ore]

yea?

Wait...so you guys thought i trolling all the time?

[clever linden]

Yeah I thought it was a larp

A bold choice at the very least

As for me, I have his portrait in all 3 bases of operations

Covered in knives

[cunning ore]

Not a bold choice, he..somehow make me better actually. Like i used to be a person that too kind that i be used pretty much- and yea the worst is i got some ||Sexual Assaulted|| by that trait

[clever linden]

Oh

[cunning ore]

Well, everyone does except me thho

yea, i sound weird but thank to him, i can be abit more selfish and cope with other mental issues

[clever linden]

Well if anyone can teach you to not be kind, it’s Ballas

[cunning ore]

True 100% and love yourself since he both did and didn't

He let Margulis ruined him tho, so it like after that long time of Orokin Era, he not even back to his work of art in making Prime frames

Oh soo, you got anything of possible theocraft of how Drifter spawned during TNW?

[pale cedar]

Duviri Paradox

[cunning ore]

how so can i ask?

[pale cedar]

They just opened a portal and walked out of Duviri after gaining freedom

[crimson abyss]

orokin are more like the upper class of the empire

[cunning ore]

i know that portal in Dormizone just how they get the Skaut and come to Earth

yea just ponder at that, like how exactly they spawned, was Zariman was touched by Grineer faction? Kuva Grineer?

[loud oriole]

yeah iirc either in Angels of the Zariman or reg tile runs have you fight Corpus/Grineer along with the corrupted enemies

[pale cedar]

Opened a portal to the other side of the system

Drifter wasn't just doing activity when shown in New War

Drifter was doing stuff for a bit already

[cunning ore]

So ChillyMango just got a question like that, where the Drifter spawned during TNW, how they spawned tho

[pale cedar]

Void portal

[cunning ore]

yea but still many questions linger like: When exactly, and why at this time they chose to do the plan?

Before that, possible that because of finding Natah's remain?

[pale cedar]

When you see Drifter spawn in New War it wasn't the only activity they've been doing

[cunning ore]

yea so the question still not answered: How they spawned, how they got the Skaut

[pale cedar]

It was basically showing you Drifter has been assaulting Narmer led Grineer for a bit

[cunning ore]

i know but i mean that: How exactly they spwaned, how exactly they got the Skaut

[pale cedar]

I just told you how

[cunning ore]

Like the whole process in details, i think that why Mango asked

But it not detail enough?

[pale cedar]

Drifter has been assaulting Narmer led Grineer

[cunning ore]

I know, but it not the point

[pale cedar]

It’s the answer

[cunning ore]

The point is before that how things happened after Operator was pushed back in the Void

It not clear enough

So it not the answer

[pale cedar]

Once the hand fell

Duviri happened

Drifter escaped

Drifter went right back into fighting for a free Origin System and stole a ship

[cunning ore]

I know, but it not the point of how Drifter got spawned in the Origin System

I do belive you not understand my question, so let me do sth with my question

I get that the Drifter was already active, but I'm looking for the 'bridge' between the two. In terms of Eternalism, do you think the Operator being pushed into the Void was the exact 'swap' point, or was the Drifter already physically present in our timeline before that happened?

sorry, i have to used AI as a source to try to translate this

[pale cedar]

They didn't actually swap

The hand coming from the sky allowed Drifter to escape into the Origin System

[cunning ore]

Oh and how they got the Skaut too, and the broken Orbiter and Ordis in penguin form

[cunning ore]

yea but like how after that i mean

[pale cedar]

Void portal

You see that same portal every time you do Duviri

[cunning ore]

I know but, dang, i think i cannot ask more since you not understand my question 😭

[worn cypress]

@pale cedar I got annoyed in his place

[pale cedar]

Are you sure it is me not understanding your question or you not understanding my answer

Void portal leading to Origin System side is a simple answer

Drifter stealing a ship is a simple answer

What part of that is hard to understand?

[cunning ore]

I'm sure that you not understand my question indeed. Cause i asked "how" that mean the process of Drifter being spawned in TNW. Like the gap from when Drifter got the hand and done The Duviri Paradox and "then" got into the New War.

[twin wigeon]

Well if Drifter escaped Duviri it’d have to be thru the portal in the dormizone no?

But the zariman isn’t discovered until after TNW

[cunning ore]

I swear i need to go to eat my dinner instead of continuing this cause he clearly not understand my questions and i know it my disability in unable to clarify my curiosity through English is hard

[twin wigeon]

Nws Bil

[pale cedar]

Full timeline then

Void portal is opened

Lotus loses her hand

Operator gets stabbed

Drifter gets stabbed at same time

Void portal sends both Natah and Operator through it

Duviri Paradox happens

Drifter gains freedom

Goes through the portal

Finds out Origin isn't as good as they expected it to be

Finds Ordis somehow

Attacks Narmer

Steals a ship

Takes said ship back to Ordis

[twin wigeon]

I wonder where ordis went after losing the operator then

“Losing”

[pale cedar]

Ordis just parked the Orbiter in the cave

[worn cypress]

He was asking where and when did the portal put him @pale cedar

[pale cedar]

In the Origin System somewhere which is all we are told

[twin wigeon]

Then where did the void portal from Duviri to origin system come from

I alway thought the citadel’s portal connected to the dormizone which seems to be the only feasible entrance to the origin system

[cunning ore]

I already know that. What i ask is the detail of thems 😭

[worn cypress]

Not you i understood you

[cunning ore]

😭 thank you, i started doubting myself

Imma go feed my cat since ChillyMango here

[twin wigeon]

I think it’s all pretty speculative and so nemy can’t give details or any of us could.
The story doesn’t really go that in-depth into how drifter arrives into all this

[cunning ore]

Mango gonna clarify this ✨

[worn cypress]

Why did drifter also got stapped , where did lotus end up

[twin wigeon]

Yea go feed Kalymos

[cunning ore]

Chunky Kalymoses

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/kalymos-warframe-heart-cat-gif-14437175578720025539

[worn cypress]

What is the dormizone

[pale cedar]

Drifter got stabbed for being a “criminal” in the eyes of Thrax

[twin wigeon]

The uhhhhhhhhhh personal quarters aboard the zariman that you usually enter to get to Duviri

[pale cedar]

Lotus we aren't told where she landed but Drifter somehow found her

[twin wigeon]

I think they mean why did the both of them get stabbed via paracesis

[zenith ore]

Long time no see

[worn cypress]

Not this stab
The dimensional stab

[pale cedar]

Well that's because they're both connected

[zenith ore]

Which part is this

[twin wigeon]

Also yeah Natah wasn’t with her hand, but she was found decaying ig by Ordis, meanwhile her hand fell to Duviri?

[pale cedar]

When she goes through the portal

[zenith ore]

Ah

[humble sierra]

Her hand kinda landed next to Drifter and then went into their hand, splitting it in half and replacing it

[twin wigeon]

Kinda like a sleeve

Fits like a glove

[humble sierra]

More like a wedge

[pale cedar]

Weirdly Lotus says Drifter still has it

[humble sierra]

The dangly bits are Drifter's hand, not hers

[worn cypress]

How are they connected why he is in the void ?

[twin wigeon]

Oh… that’s Ough

Drifter = Operator but from a parallel yet different reality is how I interpret

[pale cedar]

Drifter created Duviti while on the Zariman in the Void and is Operator if they weren't saved from the deal

[zenith ore]

The drifter didn't get saved by the lotus unlike the oprater

[pale cedar]

Drifter is a what if Operator

[humble sierra]

Man in the Wall*, not Lotus

[twin wigeon]

Drifter is what if Operator wasn’t given void powers like Operator

[zenith ore]

Right sorry

[humble sierra]

Lotus wasn't around by the time of the split

[zenith ore]

Wally

[twin wigeon]

Instead Drifter/Operator would’ve panicked, got scared, thought of the comfort of the Tales of Duviri and “accidentally” made Duviri to keep them safe

[pale cedar]

Drifter followed the instructions and it didn't work

[twin wigeon]

Seems like they didn’t follow the instructions then

[pale cedar]

Honestly
Should ask for refund

[twin wigeon]

lol

Would’ve been funny if Drifter complained to Mother about this

[pale cedar]

Mother complains about it

[twin wigeon]

LMAO?

You’re joking

There’s no way

[pale cedar]

She got new dialogue where she learns it became real

[twin wigeon]

HAHA?

That’s amusing

[pale cedar]

She even gets shocked about it

I'm like
You literally write the book about it how can you get shocked?

[worn cypress]

Yeh ik but are they still connected ?

• does duviri locate *** in the zariman ? ***

[zenith ore]

Did you finish the story?

The whole thing

[zenith ore]

No u can see the zariman in the sky

[worn cypress]

Yes finished all the quests
I meant aren't they like another timeline

[twin wigeon]

Sort of? They shouldn’t/won’t exist in the same room but will occasionally just not for too long

[worn cypress]

Before the mission

[pale cedar]

Her quote is

"I saw the Void as a phenomenon to be treated scientifically! Now I am told my father unleashed a monster, and my book of children's stories has come to life”

[zenith ore]

This

[dark compass]

Material world has a hole to the void. The hole is plugged by Zariman. From the other side there's Duviri formed out of Zariman thanks to Drifter. On the outskirts of Duviri there's Undercroft. Then from the Undercroft it's straight up Void

[twin wigeon]

They only exist in the same room but only for brief moments before they need to separate because their separate realities converging gets unstable

[dark compass]

[pale cedar]

Actually
How can she treat the Void just scientifically when she has living proof of Void children?

[twin wigeon]

That’s why Drifter calls Operator the kid, even though they’re the same person. They both exist. As separate entities.

[pale cedar]

I'm starting to be convinced Mother isn't a Void expert anymore

[twin wigeon]

I mean she’s lost a big chunk of memory over the years

That’s why they’re doing the assigning of names i think

[dark compass]

Didn't we all...

But yeah they lost a lot of their memories

[pale cedar]

She did but at the same time she has dialogue mentioning regaining many now

[cunning ore]

Well, she got emotinal damage from her father tho

[dark compass]

Being a part of the hive mind definitely does things

[lean garden]

I mean, I dont see how that would stop anyone from treating it scientifically at all

[twin wigeon]

Oooh wait i didn’t consider how much the infestation might know about the void now

[lean garden]

what some survivors have weird powers after being severely exposed and shes supposed to worship their feet now?

[pale cedar]

I'm not saying it can't be treated scientifically

I'm saying she saw it as only science

[lean garden]

statement stands

[dark compass]

Infestation update any time now

[lean garden]

existence of void construct children wouldnt unscience it up

it just means more science

[dark compass]

I guess Nemesis meant theoretical vs practical

[brittle siren]

Fass Vome raid boss when

[cunning ore]

I need more investment in Arlo

[brittle siren]

who?

[dark compass]

Arlo 2

[cunning ore]

The NW3 story of a boy who can cure everyone but it infested everyone indeed

[brittle siren]

ohh

[cunning ore]

It like a horror story associating to The Prealoid boss fight on Demois

[brittle siren]

tbh I wish Nightwave have more event

[cunning ore]

Arlo got many potentials if talking about infestation since hive-mind can deceive in the form a healing god

[pale cedar]

At least we have KIM now for extra lore

[dark compass]

Weren't they talking about how NW done the old fashioned way just took a lot of resources from the actual updates?

[twin wigeon]

It did

[dark compass]

And that's why they stopped

[cunning ore]

Well, yea

[twin wigeon]

That’s why they made nw back into a normal battle pass

[dark compass]

I'm honestly more satisfied with a generic battle pass

Just give it a cool theme and it's perfect

[twin wigeon]

Same

Lots of goodies

[dark compass]

It's also free

[cunning ore]

I think it classic even thouh i cannot experience that

[brittle siren]

dumb question: Can we considered the Murmur have the same hivemind system like Infested (but in this case Wally is the "core" mind)?

[twin wigeon]

Lots of nihil jars

[cunning ore]

Like the story of Nihil, Saturn Six Wolf and Arlo, they are cool honestly

[pale cedar]

I actually had a Nightwave story idea a while ago that I can't remember what idea was for it but I did say it in either here or Spoiler chat

[brittle siren]

i'm still glad NW is a freebie pass

all other game paywall all the goodie

[twin wigeon]

Not really, the murmur kind of act separate from Wally but follow Wally like a leader I’d say, since the fragmented is an acolyte of the indifference

[cunning ore]

Umm i got a question. How to really know what is consider as spoil or lore-talk?

[brittle siren]

but isn't some of the infested are the same thing? Like Fass, Vome, Lizzie, Helminth etc

[dark compass]

I don't think lore channel should have any spoiler restrictions

[crimson abyss]

there's a spoiler alert at the top

[twin wigeon]

It’s an umbrella, you’re allowed give specifics and theories here but spoiler is just content

[pale cedar]

Both spoiler and the lore channel allow spoilers

[cunning ore]

still confuse like if i talk about Voruna Prime then it be in spoiler chat or lore chat?

[brittle siren]

I think spoiler for fresh new stuff, like KIM and such when it just released under a week

[cunning ore]

Just confuse, so it like spoil chat like a verified truth?

[brittle siren]

lore

spoil chat is anything outside lore too

(no leaks)

[twin wigeon]

They’re all independent but still attached to the same hive intelligence, the murmur are not at least they follow directions given by the fragmented. If anything the fragmented world be the hive mind host with Wally being the leader that is separate yet controls the hive

[cunning ore]

Okay, thank you

[pale cedar]

I suggested once just combining the channels but it's probably too late by now

[twin wigeon]

Indeed, lore channel has too much lore to be subsumed into the spoiler chat

[brittle siren]

lore is double the msg to spoiler chat so even if we remove spoiler chat it would be still fine

[cunning ore]

And in here people still come to ask which to choose of Natah, Lotus and Margulis

[dark compass]

And you'll get shot for choosing Margulis

[cunning ore]

And yea, after that it a long discussion

[brittle siren]

Who should I choose as a father figure, Hunhow or Stalker?

[cunning ore]

I did

[twin wigeon]

I chose margulis

[brittle siren]

I choose Natah

[cunning ore]

Stalker, clearly!

Hunhow is like he gave birth too many to care really one

[crimson abyss]

i chose lotus

[brittle siren]

1 is near dead, 1 left him to take care a bunch of void demon

[twin wigeon]

Stalker fought the IRS for custody
of his child after his wife passed away

[crimson abyss]

stalker is the obvious choice

[brittle siren]

idk if other Sentients should be called his child though

[cunning ore]

Yea that

[loud oriole]

-# literally and metaphorically, at that

[cunning ore]

Umm well harsh question

[dark compass]

Yeah there's a difference between fragments and children

[brittle siren]

Ballas or Nikoth

[twin wigeon]

Ballas, he looks better than Nitokh

[cunning ore]

Ballas for love, no Niktoh for me

[brittle siren]

ngl he has drip during Old Peace

[twin wigeon]

I dunno what Roach sees in her

[dark compass]

We haven't seen the blood one yet

[pale cedar]

I'd rather pick Hunhow for the fact that Stalker hasn't shown any true experience as a father yet

[cunning ore]

I feel like Niktoh can be a Karen

[brittle siren]

he did bullet jump while holding Orion/Sirius

[dark compass]

What if Nitohk is voiced by Jennifer English

[twin wigeon]

Hey roach, let’s kill all the Orokin so that we can rule? And then let me kill you too

Pretty please

[pale cedar]

Lotus gonna get you for that one

[dark compass]

It has to be Jennifer English

She voiced my third favorite Elden Ring NPC

[twin wigeon]

Who?

[loud oriole]

-# nah its Ben Starr, he will do anything for money

[pale cedar]

Will Ben Starr kill Ballas for free?

[dark compass]

Maelle from Expedition 33, Shadowheart from Baldurs Gate 3, Latenna from Elden Ring

[cunning ore]

Who do you think in WF close to a Disney princess?

[twin wigeon]

Who?

[dark compass]

She's been everywhere lately

[dark compass]

Alora in Soulframe

[loud oriole]

Alora in DEs new project, Soulframe, too

[twin wigeon]

Lettie, she talks to animals

[radiant pier]

also cuz he's a bum that still chases after us

[twin wigeon]

Er no maybe Eleanor

[dark compass]

It's Eleanor

[brittle siren]

Big space mom doing praying pose is literally farming aura

[twin wigeon]

Diapers aren’t cheap Yk

[pale cedar]

Wait
Lotus chases after us too with her mimics

[dark compass]

What aura is she even farming? Corrosive Projection?

[twin wigeon]

Brief Respite

[radiant pier]

I'm not sure I'd consider "sexy time with long tongue" to be Disney princess-like

[pale cedar]

Why does Space mom keep trying to attack us with her mimics?

[twin wigeon]

I just got the joke hahahahaha

[radiant pier]

doing the ropalolyst-whatever node AFTER I finished the whole NW was so confusing

[cunning ore]

Oh yea she even got saved by us from villain

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure it’s dated after sacrifice

I played the game in the order the content came out

[crimson abyss]

isnt it chimera prologue

[twin wigeon]

Potato tomato

Technically that’s still after sacrifice

Technically

[crimson abyss]

https://tenor.com/view/megatron-transformers-gif-25271443

i forgot when it happened

[twin wigeon]

Something stupid

[cunning ore]

Potato Tomato?

How..you know that

It a legend!

[radiant pier]

I'm saying I did the node after I finished the New War quest so seeing Natah there was really confusing

[brittle siren]

Old Peace is after Lotus eater

[fast dew]

The ropapapapapalyst?

[brittle siren]

oh wait my mistake

[fast dew]

Roly-poly...

[radiant pier]

the transphobic chicken

[fast dew]

Mean ass raw chicken

[brittle siren]

I though you talking about the spider sentient in Old Peace

[twin wigeon]

Wouldn’tve had you played in terms of updates since tnw is after Jovian concord or smth

[radiant pier]

that kept aiming for you specifically

[twin wigeon]

Dacto?

[radiant pier]

out of prejudice

[brittle siren]

yeah

[fast dew]

Specifically me

It hated me and kept putting me into the platform

[twin wigeon]

Silly lizardman

[brittle siren]

how did you know my sona is a reptile (he is a dragon but still)

[twin wigeon]

Tomato potato

[loud oriole]

were you very illuminated like a lamp? the rolyplatypus is very moth-like with lights and energy

[fast dew]

I was my dark red/dark purple Marie, so no 😭

[loud oriole]

could sense the Sun that Wisp/Marie carries in her pocket ig

[fast dew]

Oh wait my operator was voidblue™

[brittle siren]

I wish concept art Marie is a thing

[fast dew]

Concept art is generally better imo

[brittle siren]

same

[twin wigeon]

Wait concept art Marie?

[cunning ore]

The real goth

[fast dew]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1N5n9X

While looking for the marie one I found. Adis

[twin wigeon]

My beloved marieeee

[fast dew]

The :(((( adis is so :(((((

[brittle siren]

RIP (until DE make him become an Tau-dolon)

[cunning ore]

I got a question: How successful could plastic surgery in Orokin Era?

Or they got another type?

[brittle siren]

this is so uncanny

[fast dew]

Awuh

[fast dew]

I mean. It absolutely is successful. Thats what the arm is

[brittle siren]

I mean Ballas once try to transfer his mind into a girl body, so it like a basic stuff that all Orokin can have during their reign, the long arm is one of them

[fast dew]

I am. Very very happy we didnt get this.

[brittle siren]

this is so cute

Can we have him instead of Ordis?

[fast dew]

:>

Hes so delightful

Mm, interesting. This is captioned as "the road to tau"

Its. So pretty

[brittle siren]

I mean yeah it look like a map of "known" area of Tau

[fast dew]

Waaa

[fast dew]

Its. A star map, according to the other caption for this one

[brittle siren]

send me link pls

[crimson abyss]

tau

[brittle siren]

the artist I mean

[fast dew]

https://www.artstation.com/artwork/vbLEgY

[crimson abyss]

tau will be good content

[loud oriole]

praying Tau changes up the warframe formula a bit

-# i will still enjoy it regardless

[crimson abyss]

gonna meet the sentients

[pale cedar]

Again

[crimson abyss]

yes

but the difference is that its on tau

[pale cedar]

Meet them on Tau again

[loud oriole]

sentients, Origin 😴
sentients, tau

[pale cedar]

I just wanna see Albrecht again

Want to shoot him with Aklex Prime

[crimson abyss]

i wanna kill that guy on tau

[loud oriole]

tauron missile strike directly on albrecht

[brittle siren]

why not using a base Lex to spite him

[pale cedar]

Because double Lex Prime is better than his 1 Lex Prime thus is already spite added

[dark compass]

What if Albrecht has an incarnon adapter

[crimson abyss]

we take it away

cavalero helps us

[brittle siren]

then Amir upper body will be disintegrate

[dark compass]

He didn't shoot Amir in the head to charge the gun

[brittle siren]

oh nvm

[brittle siren]

I mean he could just aim some Murmur then teleport back

the one with 2 legs

[fast dew]

Tbh id rather get shot than get blasted by a nuke

[brittle siren]

Imagine get microwave by the Kuva Nukor, have your body part getting "big" and disintegrate completely

[dark compass]

Speaking of microwaving

Time to eat

Bye

[crimson abyss]

albrecht entrati boss fight

[brittle siren]

he gonna summon Loid and do some yaoi as emotional dmg on us

[dark compass]

if albrecht is in a bossfight, his eternal role is to be a comm voice yelling to stop that thing

its that or he learns to double jump

[zenith ore]

Tf is ts

[crimson abyss]

we kill loid too

[fast dew]

Absolutely not.

[loud oriole]

albrecht back flips, shoots someone, and then says a dad joke in his best Nick Apostolides impression

[fast dew]

I think if Loid was summoned to hurt us, and we. Weren't friends n all, he would with no hesitation

No remorse, no hesitation

[crimson abyss]

and then travels to a system 849 light years away

[loud oriole]

after traveling back in time to make another mess disguised as a test in the timeline for us

[fast dew]

Ahh its a test I think

[crimson abyss]

makes another mess

[fast dew]

I wouldn't say it was disguised as anything but what it is, its not. Really what Albrecht did imo

[cunning ore]

Do you guys think that we will reuse the Zariman to travel to Tau or we have another way?

[pale cedar]

We can't it's plugging a hole

You’d see Void storms for miles

[cunning ore]

Yonta keeps telling of her calculation of the jump to Tau so i just ponder but okay

[crimson abyss]

force albrecht into the accretion disk of a black hole reaching up to 10 million degrees kelvin, turning him into plasma

[pale cedar]

Yonta is doing math she knows she can't actually use

[smoky gulch]

So: Orokin purged history of what was before them, but a spec of knowledge of Ottomans remained

[pale cedar]

Theory vs Practical

[fast dew]

The entrati family particularly liked preservation, its not surprising that they have one

Hence. Them having. Books

Grand libraries or whatever Loid says

[cunning ore]

Yea, and Mr. Lorebook, i got a question: what type of person Ballas might like?

[pale cedar]

Margulis

[smoky gulch]

I'm more poking fun at this world building bit where casual phrases in our languages are fossils of historical events or cultures - like this Ottoman phrase being used for sitting place

[cunning ore]

I mean interested in, gasp this just serving for fictional fantasi-

[cunning ore]

I hate this. But can i ask what traits of Margulis?

I really dull in knowing her personality

[crimson abyss]

empire of the turks now turned seat

[smoky gulch]

Watch Khora Prime trailer to hear him talk about this

[brittle siren]

Kind and smart

she looks beautiful too

[cunning ore]

Umm yea

[cunning ore]

Okay, gonna look back for this, thx u

[cunning ore]

[brittle siren]

and unlike that Therapist, she really a good person among some asshole

[pale cedar]

Yeah, they kept me prisoner in their library I escaped due to Ballas upgrading Murmur

[smoky gulch]

I think Khora Prime is very much essence of what Ballas believed Margulis to be: mistress of dangerous beast, veiled eyes due to her blindness (inflicted by Margulis' beast) and, conjecture on my side, he perceived her as powerful

[cunning ore]

honestly i don't think she really good, based on philosophy, yes she good. But on partical, she kind of too umm..

[brittle siren]

kind of what?

[cunning ore]

Skeptical?

Like she prior the Tenno but also chose the way to abandone them?

[brittle siren]

no?

[cunning ore]

I founf out i haven't seen her beast side, i mean of Margulis

[brittle siren]

she never abandoned any Tenno (beside Rell because he blinded her, but that could be her protect him from Ballas wrath)

[smoky gulch]

Consider Tenno the beast Margulis tamed, same as Venari is tamed by Khora

[cunning ore]

So there an exception and beside of that she chose to go against the gov of that time that leading to the execution => she abandoned them by her death?

[cunning ore]

Okay, now it more clear

[brittle siren]

uh no, Orokin gonna PUT THEM INTO A INFESTED SUIT AND GO TO A WAR

even if you never a mother that COMMON SENSE to go against that

[cunning ore]

I ponder, since she upgraded her rank through Ballas, didn't she have a chance to negotiate since she also know she is an important person for the Tenno?

[brittle siren]

and she even plead Ballas to spare her (technically she is taking advantage of his love for her)

[cunning ore]

Like could it be better way that leading self to death?

[brittle siren]

where did the game said that???????????

"upgraded her rank"????

[cunning ore]

Through how Ballas made her being address "Lady" i thought so? She also not have to wear the Dialem

[brittle siren]

Because he LOVE her

[pale cedar]

She was already Archimedean

[brittle siren]

it's like calling your love one "babe" or sth

[cunning ore]

Yea so i think he somehow make her on another level to make her being suitable to be his consort

[brittle siren]

also isn't he only call her "My love", where the "lady" come from?

[cunning ore]

It from announcement as i remember in the Old Peace, some address her as "Lady" instead "Archimedean"

[brittle siren]

well because literally everyone know Ballas is dating with her or sth like that (she even said Ballas as my love too)

even Roathe knew that

and she even in his room during the end of memory part

[cunning ore]

So yea, she clearly upgraded her rank through. Like above Archimedean by logical sense?

[brittle siren]

there is no indication for that at all

[cunning ore]

Yea, that's why i mean she possible

[brittle siren]

there are so many Archimedean like her, there is no "climbing up", because it not sth that can be earn for free if she is not talent enough to be one

[pale cedar]

Just because she's called Lady doesn't necessarily mean she upgraded her rank

[brittle siren]

again she is dating with Ballas, ofc ppl would deem her as his "future wife"

[cunning ore]

Through Social Theory, some addresses like that do make some changes of accesses and permissions. I mean in real life. So that when i apply on this situation with real-life history event with some taboo marriage in 17th century

[brittle siren]

we know Orokin can offer normal ppl to become "blue skin", like even Ordan was once have a chance to turn into one

[cunning ore]

Yea everyone know that and she also a case that not counting againsting the rule like Sorren and Jade

[pale cedar]

We don't actually know what Jade was rank wise

[cunning ore]

No, i mean about the marriage and social-ranking association

[fast dew]

Oh yeah no

Their relationship was super against the. Legems?