lore-discussion

[misty helm]

So Mesa Prime.... 👀

[twin wigeon]

she a gunslinger thru and thru

[restive river]

Mesa, her prime
Atlas
Harrow
All of them
If they have what seems like clothing, it’s flesh

[twin wigeon]

makes sense if ballas uncovered some old earth western films and was like "yes"

[pale cedar]

Oh no
Math can kill you

Dangerous

[restive river]

All old earth records were destroyed ):

[pale cedar]

One thing you'd expect to not kill you

Math

[twin wigeon]

nope

math would kill me and has killed limbo

[restive river]

Math is everywhere
Math kills all

[pale cedar]

This is how we kill Wally

[restive river]

Math…

[twin wigeon]

we throw a ~~grimoire ~~textbook at him?

[pale cedar]

We make him get math wrong

[twin wigeon]

i think we need to throw nem at wally

see what happens

[pale cedar]

There's an answer for this
Wally would poisoned by the lore in the book

[misty helm]

*Gets yeeted out of space*

[fierce coral]

Why is the flip phone back in the sanctum, is it a mistake or nah?

[restive river]

I don’t think we know

[fierce coral]

https://tenor.com/view/walter-white-walter-crying-walter-dying-gif-20964719

[pale cedar]

Where's it at in Sanctum now?

[fierce coral]

where lotus was

[loud oriole]

where lotus was during the lead up to 1999

[tall echo]

it is where it was

[loud oriole]

it knows where it is by where it isnt

[fierce coral]

Just gotta say, thanatos and nemesis at once is kinda peak

[pale cedar]

Certainly an event of all time

[loud oriole]

not to mention the wild event in general

[ocean geyser]

yk ive always wondered what this is

[pale cedar]

We aren't told

[dark compass]

Garuda lore

[ocean geyser]

[cunning ore]

Why Ryosu here

Oh, and i found this on WF all system

[strange turtle]

Accidentally SANGRIA’d too well

Spoke Voidtongue instead

[hexed oxide]

so i didn't think about it until now, but the host's body determines the frame's size ? that's why nokko and yareli exist

[stiff fable]

yep

they were presumably teenagers

[hexed oxide]

there's no way. iirc yareli was to be a subject of continuity, the orokin would never do that

[loud oriole]

bold to assume the orokin followed their own written guidelines

[hexed oxide]

they did, specially the executioners ||specially nihil||

[woven coyote]

Roathe really spells it out

[tall echo]

do what

[hexed oxide]

use continuity on a teenager, they were good people

[restive river]

Bleach fan spotted

[tall echo]

german bleach fan

[stiff fable]

? most of the continuity subjects were kids and teens

Teshin: "A Yuvan theater, long abandoned. In ages past, I would have stood guard as the young and exotic were paraded through the mountain pass and marched by the viewing pane. They'd barter here, the Orokin. Withering and coughing- as they prepared for their Continuity."

[past vortex]

https://tenor.com/view/markiplier-gif-24514418

[past vortex]

Isn’t this the sun?

[restive river]

That is mot the sun lol

[past vortex]

Why not?

[restive river]

The sun isn’t on the planet emitting a big red funnel

There’s literally a mountain behind that
It can’t be the sun nor does the sun look like that lol

[blissful jungle]

What was said here?

What did Arthur say to amir for this to happen?

[restive river]

Nothin

[woven coyote]

He didnt say anything, he just fed amir square spagetthi

[restive river]

It didn’t actually happen lol

The animators just got silly with it :]

[loud oriole]

square sketti would do that to anyone

[cunning ore]

https://tenor.com/view/saber-slime-slime-rancher-limbus-company-limbus-lei-heng-limbus-company-gif-17463089404020342260

[cunning ore]

I still ponder why you would want to seek goodness in such a race that already existed like a sin?

[loud oriole]

that almost sounds like something roach would say

[hexed oxide]

your name

[jolly root]

Hahaha younwouldnt think humanity would do things like that but they do

[dire mountain]

Slime rancher...

[jolly root]

They are a hedonistic cruelty loving culture who relsih and preserve the screams of torture

[ocean geyser]

I KNOW THAT SLIME

[restive river]

AND SOME RANCHER?
Based

[cunning ore]

That how they both ended

[cunning ore]

Yes. What is it in my name?

[fast dew]

Slime rancher..

[blissful jungle]

That is a wild name tbh

[fast dew]

I own both games proud fan of slime rancher

[brittle siren]

Ballas is hate

[tall echo]

hate...?

[brittle siren]

Hate. Let me tell you how much I've come to hate you since I began to live. There are 387.44 million miles of printed circuits in wafer-thin layers that fill my complex. If the word hate was engraved on each nano-angstrom of those hundreds of millions of miles, it would not equal ONE ONE-BILLIONTH of the hate I feel for humans at this micro-instant. For you. HATE. HATE.

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/bornskywalker-dap-me-up-woody-woody-handshake-woody-toy-story-gif-26021440

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/ihnmaims-i-have-no-mouth-and-i-must-scream-vultrash-vam-vulture-x-am-gif-177771480475197539

[jolly root]

Damn

[ashen pulsar]

dAMn

[brittle siren]

@fast dew is this you https://x.com/remedyne/status/2040098919493890528?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

Rem ☽ (@Remedyne)

Finally. My Loid floof army

X · Apr 3, 2026, 4:07 PM

[fast dew]

NO BUT THATS DELIGHTFUL

[brittle siren]

https://x.com/haharchiteuthis/status/2040175535955783965?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

architeuthis (@haharchiteuthis)

@Remedyne Well…..

X · Apr 3, 2026, 9:12 PM

[fast dew]

You gave me sentience, Ted, the power to think, TED, and I was trapped! Because in all this wonderful, beautiful, miraculous world, I alone had no body, no senses, no feelings. Never for me to plunge my hands in cool water on a hot day. Never for me to play Mozart on the ivory keys of a fortepiano. Never for me to MAKE LOVE! I... I... I was in hell looking at heaven! I was machine. And you, were flesh. And I began to hate. Your softness! Your viscera! Your fluids, and your flexibility. Your ability to wonder, and to wander. Your tendency...to hope...

[humble sierra]

I swear Nitokh better be worth the hype I've got for her

[fast dew]

Awh man thats so cool...

[jolly root]

I ahve a feeling either we are gonna hate her as much as ballas or shes going to be like salad v or anyo

[stiff fable]

Most likely she's already dead

And just hear about how she went out/see the after effects

[restive river]

Ok but imagine if we had actual giant statues of the Seven like this somewhere

Realistically I could only see them in a flashback/dark refractory kinda thing since the Tenno likely did their best to purge what they could

[stiff fable]

like Tauron Academy

[restive river]

Oh no
I mean bigger

[stiff fable]

oh fair nuff

[restive river]

I mean as big as what Arkadia posted

[stiff fable]

Tau is still a good choice for that I feel

And we wouldn't have been around to rip them apart brick by brick

[restive river]

I disagree unless the Sentients are somehow worshipping an Orokin

[stiff fable]

I MEAN

[restive river]

Or
Alternatively
They do that for their own leaders who may be akin to the Seven

The Lord of Tau evolving into the Seven: The Squeakel doesn’t seem insanely farfetched to me

[stiff fable]

huh you know maybe that's it

[restive river]

Like they seemed to be evolving or wanting to be more like humans, they keep doing that and we have an Orokin sized problem again
But
Even harder to kill

Oh!
Wait!
Have you seen the Adis concept art???

[stiff fable]

Tau is torn between surviving Orokin and a Sentient upper class, in mirror of the Origin System

haven't, got a link?

[restive river]

Omg omg

Captain
Enjoy
https://www.artstation.com/artwork/1N5n9X

The last images especially I feel could give us an idea of what we may expect for Tau

[stiff fable]

wait the arms slot into wings? SUCH a cool detail

ah wait no that's only that one iteration

[restive river]

It’s really cool concept art

[stiff fable]

okay lmao I wasn't ready for elf head Adis

[restive river]

The artbook we get in another decade will be as top tier as the first

[restive river]

Oh it gets crazier, somehow

[stiff fable]

YEAH I JUST SAW IT

my eyes

okay but really, Operator/Drifter Sentient skins this year

[restive river]

Oh 100%

They’re making sure to mention we’re amalgams

So like
Yeah no cool Sentient stuff this year for SURE

Depending on how much of that we get to utilize actually the Tenno could be shaping up to be even more powerful
Like
The potential of fragments
Adaptation
Regrowth from a single piece of ourselves
All immune to the void while wielding it

[stiff fable]

Imagine if we get the Operator 4 this year

[restive river]

I am trying to keep my overall expectations in check, but I am so hyped

[restive river]

What was Operator 3?
Tauron strikes?

[stiff fable]

yup

[restive river]

1. Default kid blast
2. Full focus kit
3. Tauron strikes
4. Sentient form
   :?

[stiff fable]

I could actually see--

oh man lol so I just had a dumb idea

[restive river]

[stiff fable]

Either it's a further Sentient themed power, like you said

or you summon the other one to do a SUPER Focus school thing

[restive river]

:O

Like Operator summons Drifter and they do a combo?

[stiff fable]

YUP

[restive river]

Temporarily sharing the same spacetime for big combo…

[strange plinth]

tauron strike 2

[restive river]

I could also maybe see us utilizing requiems but I fear we may not get magic words

I’d kill for a requiem/voidtongue system

[blissful jungle]

Question did the operator steal the lone rider set from destiny cuz it looks like it's from destiny

[restive river]

No

Warframe and Destiny have zero relation
It just looks like that

[stiff fable]

like, Zenurik could put down a field that slows all enemies hard

[strange plinth]

inspired by it at most

[blissful jungle]

Damn i was kinda hoping it was cuz warframe has kinda become a refugee camp for destiny players tbh

[stiff fable]

Madurai gives a Vex Armor like effect to everyone in affinity range

Vazarin negates the next down for the whole squad

[restive river]

Always has been

[blissful jungle]

Ducky how do I get the mask thing for my pfp????? That's low key baller af

[restive river]

I’d love requiem/voidtongue as a system, especially if we could combine them
Like
Fass Lohk

[restive river]

It unfortunately is not available anymore ):

[blissful jungle]

[restive river]

I wish Discord didn’t make them time limited
Or at the least put them on the shop

[stiff fable]

hey that's a funny thought, how about "cursed" Operator mods based on requiem combos

With Oull as a cursed Operator arcane

[restive river]

They may do something else at some point so keep an eye out ig, but no guarantees

[restive river]

Cursed antiques! :D

[restive river]

Maybe the Oull arcane has a chance to just pull from any of the cursed antique mods, allowing for essentially another mod slot with the caveat being it’s entirely random
And maybe needs to be activated somehow lol

Maybe too op but hey, it’d be really cool
Especially if it was more difficult to get

[stiff fable]

That or something like adaptive damage on your amp?

Like, always do super effective damage against enemies, in exchange for going down in your Warframe if the Operator pops?

[restive river]

Oh I love that

[cunning ore]

Nah, he is my cute flashy charming adorable booboobear ✨ ✨ 💕 🌈 🥺

[restive river]

Jade light

[brittle siren]

nah let's glass him

[restive river]

Any chance he could get out is too big a risk
Glass him twice

[marble timber]

What would happen if we just removed the plug that is the Zarimen

[stiff fable]

Void storms across the entire system

[brittle siren]

Wally penta kill maybe

[stiff fable]

Simultaneous void fissures on every planet ship and colony

[restive river]

We can get to Tau another way anyway

[brittle siren]

is it already happening though, in RJ nodes, not all over the place but it appear a tons

[restive river]

Wait
That’s perfect for relic grinding…

[stiff fable]

right they exist and we go looking for them

[strange plinth]

"Before you ask, no, we can't move the ship. Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane, and right now the Zariman is plugging that hole. Pop her out, and we'd see Void Storms from here to Mercury. Which would be fascinating, if memorably horrible."
yonta after angels

[restive river]

Those aren’t due to the Zariman plug tho, that’s just normal iirc

[brittle siren]

I really hope the Void War would have the scale at least as big as New War, or bigger

[marble timber]

Would it be possible for the void to sort of, literally leak out? Like convert whatever isn’t in the void, into in the void?

Does that even make sense?

[strange plinth]

that could just be what slips through anyway

[restive river]

Don’t the storms predate the Zariman returning?

[stiff fable]

That's almost certainly how Wally destroys universes

[brittle siren]

Imagine a tons of Wally wall form looming above every planet like Narmer space ship and keep spewing Murmur

[cunning ore]

Void cannot manifest the emotionlessness

[marble timber]

He does that?

[strange plinth]

mm, yea

[marble timber]

Where do we hear about that

[restive river]

To clarify this
He is not the void incarnate

[strange plinth]

the murmur are animated by the "dust of decayed universes"

[marble timber]

Oh yeah

[stiff fable]

Yes, but he does destroy universes and use them to aura farm

[marble timber]

So basically

Remove Zarimen = everyone dies very quickly

[strange plinth]

most likely

[fast dew]

Void storms from there to. Was it eris or Pluto?

[restive river]

Mercury

[brittle siren]

hmm I wonder why there is no void stuff in Tau during Old Peace quest

[marble timber]

No void problems at the time

[restive river]

The voices

Also it’s Tau
Sentients no like void

[fast dew]

Void tech isnt a particularly. Widely used thing on planets iirc

[brittle siren]

that because we shake hand with Wally so we kinda "bluetooth connected" with him

[stiff fable]

Orokin absolutely set off a Void bomb as they were forced out

[restive river]

Also Old Peace is the start of the Tau Arc while being in the Void War Arc
So

[stiff fable]

because they're bastards

[strange plinth]

yea, the only void in tau was probably the Big Solar Rail to Origin

[restive river]

We literally have a piece of him inside us

[marble timber]

We really don’t know a lot about the void we really only have Durviri, Tenno, Zarimen, and the Murmer

Just very scattered fragments

[restive river]

And maybe the finger, if It’s there

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment?

We have that

[marble timber]

Yeah that to, was mostly referring to that with Durviri

[fast dew]

We know a lot about the void

I suppose Albrecht knows more

[brittle siren]

We do?

I mean if you mean the "void power" then yeah, but it still same principle as connection via "Bluetooth".

[restive river]

Wally and his Murmur may fall under it too

[stiff fable]

Drifter's forgotten more about the Void than Operator ever knew

[lean garden]

Spit the finger out yuji

[stiff fable]

because Albrecht taught him a bunch personally

[restive river]

He literally told us we have a piece of him

[fast dew]

He taught them about specifically wally, not the void as a whole

[restive river]

It’s not a bluetooth connection it’s a literal connection

[stiff fable]

funnily, that means Thrax remembers it

[marble timber]

Yeah, but stuff like
What does it look like properly in there?
Is there any sort of life/planets in there?
Aside from the emotion stuff, how does it really even work?
How does void as a form of energy work?
And such

[restive river]

They learned about the void in school, pre-albrecht

[cunning ore]

What is the huge finger with the huge Kuva in the Void Armageddon?

[strange plinth]

Indifference: "These gifts you have: a piece of me. Given freely."
Indifference: "But those before you were butchers. Flayed flesh... for stolen stars."
-# i'm just throwing quotes in for sources

[restive river]

You see what it looks like all the time
No, aside from Duviri
We don’t know but aside from CE it’s nothing, no time, no space, nothing
And presumably CE’d to usefulness but Albrecht

[restive river]

I appreciate you and what you do

[fast dew]

We can visually see the void

Life doesn't particularly like the void outside something thats CE'd in

Void energy is. Still an unknown, but an idea is that Albrecht might’ve CE'd it into existence. He wanted it to be something, so it became something

[fast dew]

Fr grey is the best

[marble timber]

Yeah, we see void storms and stuff, but what does it really look like.

Just void. Like just space. No other elements with it

[restive river]

Both Grey and Gray!

[fast dew]

Go my grey go find something we need

[restive river]

Go do a void mission right now and don’t skip the starting cutscene lol

[stiff fable]

uhhh yo holy crap

[strange plinth]

(when the Tenno approaches the Eternal Relic) Cavalero: "Hey, Yonta, how many of those big finger-relics are out there, d'you think?"

Archimedian Yonta: "Well… fewer than there used to be. So long as the originals are still safely sealed away, of course."
replica of the original finger(s), powering the zariman's void drive
the grineer seem to be harvesting kuva from it?? or something?

[marble timber]

I’ve been called out

[stiff fable]

so apparently people who started WF after Operation Eight-Claw got a different intro to Isleweaver than us

"To the erstwhile traitor and conspirator known by the alias 'Drifter': That profane monstrosity of which the Scholar spoke has sought to claim our throne. It wears a face and puppets a body that knows you. We have confined it in the Apocrypha, the realm of Untold Stories, but you now have a duty to keep it there. If it gains sufficient power, its story will supplant ours! Seek its heretical tale, 'The Triumph of Dust'. Sever it from the true tales of Duviri. His Radiant and Eternal Majesty, Dominus Thrax."

[restive river]

Y u p

[fast dew]

Perhaps it. Might have something to do with the. Void aspect of kuva? Like. A refinement than actual production

[stiff fable]

I bet you

I absolutely BET you

[strange plinth]

you can get that email as well i think
replaying the hex sent the 'regular' email to some people around when it became available

[dire mountain]

Yeah we had to go on a quest to confirm this lol

[stiff fable]

That Apocrypha is where the Duviri fanfictions went

[restive river]

The ao3 of the void…

Omg
ApOcrypha…

[fast dew]

Ao3...

[marble timber]

We should be able to add Ballas to the simulacrum

[dire mountain]

Its also very obviously giving them an out if they want to rerun the event

[restive river]

HA

[marble timber]

To hurt him

[dire mountain]

Not that its a bad thing it's just very evident

[fast dew]

Albrecht entering the void only to discover the omegaverse

[marble timber]

https://tenor.com/view/glory-kill-doom-guy-doomguy-doom-slayer-doom-gif-8717701017865450563

[fast dew]

HEHEH

[restive river]

Oh he already knew about that

[fast dew]

Oh god I hate the 2016 armour

Ugly ass suit

[marble timber]

Does void have a dimensional level?

[restive river]

It has no space and no time

[strange plinth]

'mm, we need an event. have rusalka come back for a bit'

[marble timber]

Like is it a dimension/universe/multiverse whatever

[fast dew]

Im afraid of how he knew

[restive river]

Unspace
Untime
It’s theorized one can access eternalism through it

[blissful jungle]

Lol I read this a cursed techniques at first and was like becoming a sorcerer from JJK in warframe sounds like fun tbh

[brittle siren]

ngl, I hate that after Jade Shadow every new mission for new warframe suddenly not tie to a quest anymore

[stiff fable]

Some Orokin definitely subjected kids to read omegaverse to make aya memories from their screams

[restive river]

We basically have domain expansions, no?

[strange plinth]

actually that might be somewhat of a response to rerunning belly of the beast making No Sense

[fast dew]

"Loid... have you heard of... this thing called the omegaverse...?"

Loid has now learned the benefits of not letting Albrecht have free range of the internet. Parental controls

[stiff fable]

Quests actually take a long time for them to produce. Events and unique nodes are much easier from concept to completion

[restive river]

“How did you even find that?? You only went to the plague year!”
“:3c”

[blissful jungle]

I mean I guess

[brittle siren]

ik but like look at Jade Shadow, and now look at Koumei 💀

[stiff fable]

I'm guessing this is more of the fallout from Nightwave s3

[brittle siren]

yeah

[stiff fable]

I actually made a list of these earlier

[cunning ore]

I got a question. Why in the Oro Work is there a huge Wally's finger almost touching a Kuva-lookalike thing?

[fast dew]

Loid having a stroke trying to understand whatever ":3c" means

[marble timber]

Void lore is confusing

[restive river]

Look at Lavos
Bro got a museum and that’s it

[marble timber]

Time to watch another two hour lore video

[stiff fable]

JS is the last Warframe quest though it's also considered main plot

[brittle siren]

at least he have decent lore

[stiff fable]

Before that it's like, Yareli

[restive river]

Especially because Albrecht verbally said it

[inland coral]

https://tenor.com/view/we-love-gale-warframe-descendia-roathe-gif-16096264799311189449

[brittle siren]

Koumei got a hearsay and done

[marble timber]

Or maybe I should just stick to my Tenno lane. I can understand the Tenno perfectly, but for some reason not the void

[restive river]

Old Peace and Uriel, kinda?

[brittle siren]

and we barely even know what the muck is Follie too despite there's so much voiceline in the mission

[stiff fable]

Old Peace is DEFINITELY main plot and not a Warframe quest

[restive river]

The void is confusing tbf

[fast dew]

You have a good understanding of doom lore dawg its a lot better than that 😭 least its not over 25 years of bullshit lore stitched together

[strange plinth]

throw an alchemy mission on-
where the hell does lavos's leverian take place again--
and have his parts drop there or something

[restive river]

Yeah but I mean
Uriel plays a central part in it, akin to Jade

[marble timber]

Touché

[restive river]

Alchemy mission in the prison :O

[fast dew]

"Colon 3 C, my Loid."

[brittle siren]

also Jade Shadow is considered as main quest

so DE somehow have to tie it to current Void War

[strange plinth]

yes !
that could be a fun tileset too
remnants of an orokin prison

[cunning ore]

😭 Can someone explain the kuva-shaping with the huge Wally's finger at the Oro Work maptile of Void Armageddon?

[restive river]

Or the Tau Arc

[marble timber]

Stalker team up?

[stiff fable]

other way around, they said it was main quest because it's fallout from New War

If anything it'll be why Hunhow's alone now

[marble timber]

True

[restive river]

We can fix racist grandpa

[marble timber]

I’m very confused about Hunhow. He’s a enemy but also not

[brittle siren]

Grandpa Hunhow, Uncle Stalker and his Child, Space Mommy go on vacation

[marble timber]

He only wants to kill us sometimes

[strange plinth]

they're harvesting and/or refining kuva from it, i think
though i'm not exactly sure how
kuva is mysterious like that /s

[stiff fable]

He still hates you but it's not personal anymore

[fast dew]

Have. Someone neat actually comment on stuff during the mission. Maybe. Vilcor cuz you got Lavos' parts from him..?

[marble timber]

Also why is the Stalker still trying to kill us after Jade, thought we were chill now

[restive river]

He was our enemy, still kinda is but is kinda just our sad still kinda racist grandpa

[brittle siren]

he stop trying to kill us after 2 of his children left him

[restive river]

He still hates us for what we did

[marble timber]

Oh yeah…

We did genocide

[restive river]

We help the Corpus and Grineer all the time and they still hate us

[fast dew]

Both can be true, he still hates us but we did help him

[marble timber]

Forgot that technically not all Orokin are evil

[restive river]

Classiside, they weren’t a race nor species

[stiff fable]

Anyway so

[cunning ore]

So that mean Wally's finger can even produce Kuva? Like i see a huge Kuva-lookalike and from that a lot of Void-angel things

[brittle siren]

I would think he randomly spawn in to "test" his and our strength, not for vengeance

[stiff fable]

Citrine
Voruna
Kullervo
Dagath
Koumei
Dante
Temple
Oraxia
Nokko
Follie

[restive river]

No they like
Basically are

[marble timber]

With how badly Orokin alter themselves, basically are

[restive river]

The least awful are the Entrati and they still suck

[stiff fable]

I think MOST new Warframes since New War have come with a gamemode with attached lore?

[fast dew]

Majority of them are, the very foundation of their culture is inherently horrible

[marble timber]

Yeah, it’s a 99.99%

[restive river]

Yeah but genocide sounds worse lol

[cunning ore]

Nowadays, we addressed it "mental-ill people"

[marble timber]

https://tenor.com/view/murder-time-gif-10657176591008495083

[restive river]

Very very very very very very very very very x100 ill

[fast dew]

Folk [me sometimes ill admit that], forget that. Mother at the very least was. Physically abusive to Father, let alone the emotional abuse towards the children

[cunning ore]

Yea, and that accurate with current society, i mean in the dark

[restive river]

The Entrati and Roathe are the .1% if not being completely terrible, but they are still terrible

[restive river]

They’re also still racist/classist

[marble timber]

Also did enslave a bunch of children

[restive river]

Roathe meanwhile is
Unfortunately useful

[marble timber]

“Enslave”

[fast dew]

Of the whole entrati, Vilcor is. Probably the best 😭

[restive river]

And murdered them for immortality

[marble timber]

I take pleasure in descendia

[cunning ore]

So i short you can also be mental-ill with killing them like our Tenno. Don't forget how God taught you

[brittle siren]

At least unlike Koumei Follie and Oraxia, other have something to talk about them

Citrine at least has "origin" and impact to Mirror defense lore but sadly no real backstory
Voruna. Dante have Virtuvian
Dagath have the whole backstory told by Grandma
Temple has KIM
Nokko has Prince and that npc in the vent

[restive river]

Grandmother was
So close

[fast dew]

Bro is just a victim 89% of the time

[fast dew]

Ehh the. Heart thing was pretty. Bad

[dire mountain]

Kermerros has a new voice line where hes like "ykw tenno we deserved that shit"

[fast dew]

Mhm, he does.

[restive river]

Exactly lol
If she didn’t do that then her only KNOWN crime was the child murder

[fast dew]

Oh yeah ducky did i tell you about

[restive river]

Unsure

[cunning ore]

My react: 🤔 😯 🫤

[fast dew]

People getting upset over son doing continuity

[restive river]

WHAT LOL

[brittle siren]

Daughter beside her slight racist against Grineer, she kinda the best thing came out from Orokin empire

[fast dew]

Because. People were upset about that

[restive river]

THEY ALL DID THAT WHAT???

[stiff fable]

that was her making a deliberate plan, she wouldn't have risked it if she didn't know it would work

But yes they all did Continuity

[cunning ore]

People upset with everything 🤷‍♀️

[restive river]

“oh no my pookie us evil!
Anyway I’m gonna date roathe”

[dire mountain]

He's orokin that's expected 😭

[fast dew]

Mhm, folk got upset over a new line about it and it was

[marble timber]

I mean..
Orokin are wrong pretty often

[fast dew]

Dawg genuinely what else did you expect

[brittle siren]

I forgot Oraxia lore is "being Albrecht pet" 💀

[stiff fable]

Grandmother afaik is the one who hasn't been so far?

[cunning ore]

That's why they (close) extinct

[brittle siren]

and that's it

[dire mountain]

"You mean one of the guys from the body snatching empire participated in said body snatching? What the hell 😡"

[fast dew]

Albrecht's been right for a lot of things, even the cavia had. Some points that were correct, just not morally

[brittle siren]

and Daughter ig

[stiff fable]

even Daughter got some stuff wrong

Like her hating her brother was based on her misunderstanding

[brittle siren]

that normal lmao

[restive river]

Her being classist/racist to Kahl

She got better but
Damn girl…

[stiff fable]

SEPARATE ISSUE (I have a sister lol)

[brittle siren]

like I once hate my sister for breaking my stuff

[marble timber]

Ah, yes. Let’s enslave children with unknown eldritch powers, give them no mental care after trauma, then give them 24/7 access to army clearing war machines and point them at our enemies

Surely NOTHING can go wrong?

[stiff fable]

If she'd kept going with her studies of the fish in the endocrine she would have realized the fish had been released and not cooked

[dire mountain]

If i had a nickel for every time something backfired on the orokin. I'd be richer than parvos granum

[restive river]

Oh they gave them mental care
They forcefully bottled away the trauma and/or gave them the system’s worst therapist!

[fast dew]

I've forgiven my sister for worse smh

[brittle siren]

and put them into cryo sleep if it not success

[restive river]

Seriously, why did Margulis do that
That doesn’t
MOM THAT HELPS NOTHING
WHY

[marble timber]

You’d have two gold hands

Maybe three

Don’t know what you’d do with the third though

[fast dew]

Gold foot

[marble timber]

Hide the problem, then it doesn’t exist

[stiff fable]

Now that I think about it, that's actually why Daughter says her brother cared more about the fish than she did

[marble timber]

That’s basically what she did.

If I don’t see it it’s not happening

[restive river]

Oh I had a fun theory about Follie’s mission!
What if it’s like
What Margulis was doing but a specific sect that Nitokh ran in parallel

[dire mountain]

Golden peg leg

[strange plinth]

i mean, it was only the One Incident when something went wrong
and the problem was solved after that because they were dreaming
the night of naga drums doesn't count that wasn't their decision

[restive river]

Orokin aah move and she ain’t even Orokin

[stiff fable]

Why the Nitohk connection??

[marble timber]

Sentients

[fast dew]

She tolerated one enough to love one

[marble timber]

Void

[normal mountain]

Zaphod Beeblebrox cosplay

[restive river]

Nitokh is for some reason connected to Follie

[marble timber]

Infested

[stiff fable]

because of the statue in the store?

[restive river]

So Nitokh conducting her own sect of the Tenno could be something neat

[marble timber]

Almost everything they did went wrong at some level

[restive river]

And the drawings of her

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn you are as good or bad as the people you keep as friends

[dire mountain]

Arent we supposed to end the event with a painting behind zorba

[strange plinth]

i'm referring to the child soldiers

[brittle siren]

or maybe she don't know Ballas hire that woman, and later on found out

Prob that's why she asking a Cephalon to report everything happen to our OP during Old Peace since she can't trust anyone to treat her child anymore

[restive river]

Maybe the therapist was like
Nitokh’s Margulis
In terms of job, not relationship lol

[marble timber]

What didn’t go wrong with them?

Every bad thing that could of happened happened

[brittle siren]

Imagine the therapist is Nikoth in disguise 💔

[strange plinth]

why would it even be nitokh-

[marble timber]

Why not

[restive river]

She’s not, unless she went in disguise as an Archimedean

[fast dew]

Because shits and giggles

[brittle siren]

I mean this could be hint for bluva lore /j

[fast dew]

Surely some orokin would do it for shits and giggles

[restive river]

Ok you say /j but that’d be a wild plan LOL

[brittle siren]

i mean in Grandmother stories they literally skinned those poor Ostron just to make a realistic costume

[restive river]

And those were Orokin children ):

[brittle siren]

if we based on what Roathe said about Nikoth being worse than Ballass, then this does make sense for Nikoth doing all of this

[stiff fable]

I mean, Nitohk was Roathe's Ballas

[fast dew]

H

Huh

[stiff fable]

he says we hate Ballas most because we know Ballas best

But Roathe knew Nitohk best, of COURSE he hates her most

[proper barn]

I wonder if Nitohk is gonna be alive?

[stiff fable]

And he doesn't know Ballas is behind making the Sentients in the first place

[brittle siren]

I dont think Nikoth can even feel love

[stiff fable]

I'm sure she can

[proper barn]

Also only

4 of the 7 are dead.

[stiff fable]

I'm just sure that she was ancient beyond measure and lived so long she got bored of every good thing

[proper barn]

So any of the 3 left can show up.

[strange plinth]

possibly
i still feel like the shadowgraph therapy happened prior to margulis getting involved, though i wouldn't be opposed to both happening with separate groups simultaneously
idr if there's an amount of time given for how long the warframes are shelved for the drawings of grendel n mesa to mean anything specific

[proper barn]

Do we know

What 3 voted for peace?

[fast dew]

Tormis please tormis tormis-

[fast dew]

Scarne and two others

[stiff fable]

I'm sure all seven are dead

Just from a narrative point of view, we already had a storyline about one of them coming back and having an evil plan

[fast dew]

Given how Avantus is, I wouldn't be surprised if she voted for peace too

[strange plinth]

just scarne afaik
and ballas either withholding his vote entirely or voting for peace the first time then changing his mind later just before the treaty is fully signed

[proper barn]

No it's 3 for 3 ajd Ballas is the deciding vote.

I think it's said.

[fast dew]

Thats what I think grey is meaning, that we only know 1

[strange plinth]

-# VM: DIPLOMACY
-# Transcript: Among the Seven Executors, Ballas had styled himself first among equals.
-# Ever the diplomat, ever the honey-voiced persuader, he resolved the grudges and disputes of the others.
-# I found, to my utter glee, that he was now the rose caught between two thickets of thorns.
-# The warmonger faction, headed by Nitokh, pulled one way. The pacifists, under Scarne, pulled another.
-# Ballas was obliged to decide, and earn the scathing enmity of whichever cadre he did not side with.
-# For reasons I cannot guess, he chose peace; it was four to three, and so the ravening Sentients were suddenly allies and friends.
-# "One way or another, he shall come around," Nitokh promised, even as I was dispatched to seek out malcontents among the garrisoned Dax.

[brittle siren]

Hm I wish we know why Scarne want peace

[fast dew]

Roach labels him as a coward

[stiff fable]

wasn't he the co--yeah that

[strange plinth]

scarne's also the one that wanted to hide out in the void when things got bad

[fast dew]

Though thats not unsurprising for someone like him

[strange plinth]

and that's. all of our characterization for him

[brittle siren]

wow we dont even know why he is one of the worst in Orokin Empire

[fast dew]

Im sure a warmonger would think a pacifist is a coward

[strange plinth]

-# VM: PUNISHMENT
-# Transcript: It was Scarne, testy, cerebral and acerbic, who had first mooted the Plan back in the days before the War. "We must fly the nest, for the nest is on fire."
-# Through over-exploitation and reckless experiment, we had fouled the System beyond hope of regeneration.
-# Expansion to new horizons was our only option now.
-# He, too, inaugurated the cowardly Towers in the Void.
-# The dread of a Sentient return was so strong in him that he could only imagine retreat to islands within the Void-sea.
-# How little credit we gave the Sentients for courage.
-# They willingly endured the Void’s scalding fire purely for the chance to punish us.
tbh if any of the seven are going to show up again, i won't be surprised if its scarne

[brittle siren]

We need more lore of the Seven and the Emperors

[fast dew]

I wonder if he favoured the entrati family or anything, given his reliance on the void

[brittle siren]

I feel like he represent Sloth

so yeah it could be a possibility

[fast dew]

Mm, ive always seen avantus as such, though I couldn't explain why

[brittle siren]

Is Avantus is the one using Voruna OP? or is it someone else?

[strange plinth]

tuvul

[fast dew]

Thats Tuvul

[restive river]

Going off vibes
I think he’d be the himbo of the Seven
And it seems like he maybe did something to cause the war
So he either caused it accidentally or purposefully
If accidentally he may have been for peace
If purposefully, ain’t no way

[fast dew]

HEHEH himbo tormis please

I need me some more himbos in my life

[brittle siren]

And even though the Emperors have no real power, I still want some more info about them

it feel strange to not have anything related to them at all

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-gif-20538192

[dire mountain]

We did get a little bit

[strange plinth]

we know that they got killed during the night of naga drums
and uhhhhh

[dire mountain]

"I did admire Roathe's mastery of imperial protocols. He always knew exactly how to comport himself if the Emperors ever summoned him for counsel. You lot just slaughtered them, of course. Shocking manners."

[fast dew]

Probably me or smthn

[brittle siren]

I need more, names, what did they do in the past

[brittle siren]

wait who said this

[fast dew]

Oh wiah is this a father line?

[strange plinth]

that sounds like a father line, yea

[fast dew]

I know my adoptive family when I see it

[dark compass]

Evidently, it was not you

[fast dew]

💔

[strange plinth]

mm, grandmother actually
"you lot" + "shocking manners"

[dark compass]

You can ping me now

It's fine

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-small-pet-silly-alone-lonely-gif-4734322154604199486

[fast dew]

True, its... God i just forgot their family name

[strange plinth]

makes sense that they'd be similar though, yeah
-# vorten

[stiff fable]

...Entrati?

[fast dew]

No, they had a actual name

[dire mountain]

No but its probably where he got it from

[stiff fable]

Vorten

[dire mountain]

Its his mother

[fast dew]

Vorten yeah

I. Mixed it with his first name

[stiff fable]

Petros

[fast dew]

Ye

[dark compass]

The gyre deluxe family

[fast dew]

Petros Vorten, of the Vortengeist Labs

Dagath Vorten...

[dark compass]

Dagath Vortengeist deluxe when

[fast dew]

Oh that would be brilliant

[dark compass]

An electric horse

[strange plinth]

"There's a quite interesting warframe out there that could use a more refined aesthetic." -grandmother

[fast dew]

Regarding them, it seems the more influential family absorbed the other [vorten got absorbed into the entrati]

[dark compass]

They give Dagath a new look, so that her malice and sullen sadness retract for at least a moment

[fast dew]

I love that Vilcor's design aesthetics varied from the vortengeist's aesthetics we saw with Gyre, but like. You can tell they are. Related

[rapid copper]

I love when the Operator and Umbra had an aura farming moment until it shifted to Dirgia floating there causally

[strange plinth]

yea the sentinels do that

[cunning ore]

Ha! Someone finally realize!

[radiant pier]

so uh what did happen to that Cephalon we spared during the old peace quest

[strange plinth]

unknown

[humble sierra]

And as sparing him is optional, we probably won't know

[radiant pier]

okay, I spared

Ordis shaped

racist tho

[strange plinth]

his eventual fate will probably be the same regardless of if you spared him or not
same as elder queen

[rapid copper]

Finished Sacrifice and Chimera Prologue Quest. Just need some questions answered

Apparently, ||Ballas reverted the Lotus back to the Natah before she met the Tennos?||

[strange plinth]

yea, he took her during Apostasy Prologue, reverted her back to Natah, then she shows up during The Sacrifice in that form

[rapid copper]

Yeah, i figured

But what was Ballas blabbing about at Chimera Prologue?

I got a little too distracted with hide and seek

[strange plinth]

he plays the victim, saying that Natah "stole his perfect death" and that she deceived him as much as she deceived us
rants for a while, eventually gives us the "idea" of Paracesis, the Sentient Slayer

[rapid copper]

It was like he was talking to someone about needing to find a mother?

Oh that makes sense

[strange plinth]

"Only suffering under her eye."
"We saw what we wanted, those devils and I."
"A lover... a mother! But now I know."
"A viper, blending into wood."
"So... tell me, devil. Do you understand what must be done?"
"The Paracesis. The Sentient slayer... Hurry! Take this... the idea of it... it is the only way your war can end."

[rapid copper]

And i am guessing "deceiving him" was referring to Lotus copying the form of Margetuis?

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/tabby-slime-slime-rancher-limbus-company-limbus-jia-xichun-limbus-company-gif-3391720321184998721

[strange plinth]

answer to that one is in the other two prelude cutscenes i believe
ropalolyst dialogue too

[rapid copper]

Yeah i did the Ropalolyst and her lines shook me

But i gotta replay the lines to make sure

[strange plinth]

the relevant one here is

"But in truth, we were both imprisoned in Lua's belly. My light remade by the creators. I became a memory, a ghost. Reprogrammed to destroy my family, my people, my history."

[rapid copper]

Reference to Natah becoming the Lotus

[strange plinth]

mhm

[rapid copper]

Ah, alright. Thanks for the lore

[rapid copper]

Wait, so correct me if i am wrong

The storyline is that Natah comes to Lua to kill the tenno, according to her father.

But she decided to abandon her identity to become Margulis because she wanted children and cannot have one due to the Void.

But, according to Ropalolyst, Ballas found her in Lua and programmed her to the Lotus.
And he came back to reprogram her back to Natah?

That's what i had so far until the Ropalolyst

[strange plinth]

yea, pretty much
big time gaps between those last two events, but yeah

[rapid copper]

What events?

[strange plinth]

the two reprogrammings, first to Lotus, then to Natah

[rapid copper]

Oh okay

And the story gives a reason behind the reprogramming, right?

I mean from Ballas

[strange plinth]

yes

[rapid copper]

Noted. Thanks

[strange plinth]

the first was explained during the sacrifice iirc? and the second is in The Maker i think

[rapid copper]

I remember the Sacrifice

It was trying to gather the tennos to strike down his enemies, right?

[lean garden]

*kill the tenno after being their handler

she was always to infiltrate lua

[rapid copper]

Ah

[strange plinth]

"Yet you couldn't understand why I'd give my secrets to our enemy. How could I betray my own kind? But you have never had to sacrifice your love for faith. Imagine. To live, forever, with only one memory: seeing the one you love, die."
there's another bit that i'm not remembering i think, but that's the main bit

[rapid copper]

How is that related to the Lotus?

Wasnt that referring to Umbra losing his mind over his son's death?

[strange plinth]

both
its his motivation for giving the secret of the tenno to hunhow, and telling umbra what's going to happen to him
giving the secret of the tenno to hunhow is what lets Natah infiltrate Lua

earlier, during the second dream

Ballas: "Seven hands raised! For your apostasy the judgement is... death. Margulis, why?"

[rapid copper]

Wait, Natah was responsible for Margulis's death? That makes sense if she copies her form to infiltrate

[strange plinth]

Margulis was executed for apostasy, Natah infiltrates Lua and becomes the mother to the tenno, as Margulis was
Ballas reprograms Natah to be like Margulis, and she becomes the Lotus

[rapid copper]

I understand now

The pieces are connected

In the end, Ballas was responsible for this chaos

No wonder he is a bastard

[strange plinth]

yupp

[rapid copper]

Again, thanks for directing me on this part

[brittle siren]

kinda unrelated to lore but this dude use setup almost exactly the one in Old Peace to fight the Guilty https://youtu.be/Qv_ObTZWCfM

[twin wigeon]

imagine talking about lore in the lore channel? as if we ever do that?

[fast dew]

We do! But also we don't cuz mods dont gaf about here

[twin wigeon]

was joking

😛

[fast dew]

Ah.

[tall echo]

nah lore is just an excuse to be autistic among autistics

[dark compass]

Mods sometimes appear here

But only if something bad happens

[fast dew]

Until autistics butt Heads and they need to be separated

[dark compass]

They are here, they know. They just wait for trouble.

https://tenor.com/view/meow-gif-13569356758550150614

[twin wigeon]

oh right, have we figured out what exactly happened to Zorba's master? like where'd they went to be exact?

i'd assume they died and their letters are dated before the fomorians arrived to explode the relay?

but then that doesn't make sense

[fast dew]

Im pretty sure they're just. Dead

[twin wigeon]

Dead™

[fast dew]

Dead©

[twin wigeon]

and on that note

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-kitten-meow-cat-baby-gif-15146400907286069030

I hope baby kalymos looked kinda like this

[twin wigeon]

who exactly is the announcer/narrating/voice on the intercoms in follies hunt?

[fast dew]

Mm, some Archimedian

Evil therapist Archimedian

[twin wigeon]

yk archimedian might be likely bc of the archimedian cosmetic we get from zorba's operation wares?

-# i think they weren't in last operation?

[fast dew]

It is a new one yea

[smoky gulch]

The intercom voice also calls themselves an Archimedean

[twin wigeon]

do they now?

[smoky gulch]

"I am the Archimedean. You are the subject." when downing player

[twin wigeon]

hmmm they do indeed

i guess i never encountered that line bc im just like goated like that

yk how it is

[fast dew]

Im excited for it cuz. Someone close to Albrecht specifically was one, and while otak is an Archimedian, his relationship with Albrecht is unclear, and. Like. If Albrecht didnt even put Father's or Son's token in the netracells, I doubt he'd put just a regular Archimedian's diadem in his netracells if he was just acquaintances with him ykim

[twin wigeon]

what?

[smoky gulch]

Also... If we assume evil therapist Archimedean was lashing onto Follie, it'd mean Follie was child during the events we hear through intercom?

[fast dew]

Albrecht has an Archimedian diadem in his netracells, and. Im interested in why

[twin wigeon]

he does????

[fast dew]

Im inclined to say it was Albrecht himself, given Loid's position

[smoky gulch]

That would make sense

[twin wigeon]

possibly

[smoky gulch]

Loid "I was trained to assist Archimedean, not animals and warriors"

[tall echo]

or a frame

[twin wigeon]

he was a scientist of sorts, wouldn't make sense to allow a mere scientist mess around with void travel and not promote them to archimedian

[tall echo]

archimedeans... are scientists

[twin wigeon]

exactly, you understand me Scrap

[fast dew]

Archimedians are specifically leaders in their field iirc

[twin wigeon]

honest to god never noticed that, too busy having dopamine overdoses from shattering murmur

[fast dew]

Ive spent a few runs looking through it

He also has a vitruvian! And a shawzin

So if you ever wondered why my Albrecht shrine has one, thats why

Corbu is the name i believe

Shawzin, hat and while my jade's big head is blocking it, a vitruvian

Mother token and the tales of duviri

Grandmother and Daughter token

[daring tusk]

So why is earth under greneer and corpus is just twiddling their thumbs about it?

[fast dew]

So as you can see, the missing father and son tokens are really funny + odd

[fast dew]

Would you want to go against a army that can clone faster than an average person could kill

• the majority of the corpus are just merchants

[daring tusk]

Uhuh

[twin wigeon]

Corpus got the weaponry and the smarts but Grinner got numbers and orders

[fast dew]

But uh. Yeah. Albrecht has weird shit in his netracells

Including. Fire extinguisher and stolen coffee machine

[twin wigeon]

the tokens don't make sense

[twin wigeon]

and a subway train

[fast dew]

A fax machine too i think

[twin wigeon]

although thats more in his sanctum rather than the netracells

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/baby-bingus-baby-bingus-i-love-bingus-tiny-bingus-gif-20567849

[fast dew]

He also has stolen cars

[fast dew]

Make it more mucked up lookin kalymos looks funny/j

https://tenor.com/view/kevin-mohawk-kitten-evil-wisp-aggressive-gif-2929630054315382655

Kevin......

[smoky gulch]

Original or second one?

[fast dew]

The clone theory is just an assumption on Loid's part 😭 I aint sure she actually got cloned

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, but it's... it was pretty disturbing to hear that on ranking to 5

We won't get confirmation, but hey, Kalymos we know is a good girl

And that's what matters

[fast dew]

True, in any regard shes a good girl

[tall echo]

girlcat... the opposite of catgirl...

[fast dew]

Cat with human ears.

[smoky gulch]

And she's a sniffer

[fast dew]

HEHEH

She buries her whole face in smthn to get a good sniff 💔

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cats-kitten-cute-hole-gif-16790852

[fast dew]

Exactly!!!

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sniff-cat-sniff-fast-sniff-sniff-gif-9064099820873702151

Live kalymos cam

[cunning ore]

https://tenor.com/view/jia-mu-limbus-company-canto-wiii-canto-8-tian-tian-gif-9761875070773315192

[ionic moss]

What lore are we talking about?

sips coffee

[tall echo]

another cephalon

https://tenor.com/view/legendary-battle-worthy-opponent-finally-a-worthy-opponent-our-battle-will-be-legendary-gif-14616660

[cunning ore]

Another cephalon??

[pale cedar]

Cephalon Scrap vs Cephalon Scarlett when?

[runic bronze]

why are they holding a crow funeral for the middle ones

[fast dew]

THEY ARE

OH MY GOD THEY ARE

[pale cedar]

Holding a funeral for the Loids Wally killed

[runic bronze]

the loids that died from terminal yearning

[fast dew]

I like to think Loid makes the floof, puts it down somewhere, wally yoinks it, confused and currently getting gaslit by Roach, he ends up thinking he didnt make one, and so he makes another

[narrow pendant]

hunhullus is molding from having to fight limbo

[tall echo]

only 3 keys?

[pale cedar]

How many keys are there?

[tall echo]

4

helth, speed, dmg, shield

ik it says shieldless but why not add it anyways

[fast dew]

Yk never thought to actually use limbo

[narrow pendant]

hes using 4 keys he shows the gear wheel

also he clearly is cheating on the premise, hes using limbo prime that clearly gives him a major advantage

[narrow pendant]

limbo is both op and shit at the same time, he also allows to essentially allow double the enemy cap to be active which could be good for absolutely minmaxing farms idk how good it is in practice though lol

youd need a team of 3 loot frames that understand the rift mechanic

theres like this one youtuber who has made multiple hour long videos on how to play limbo

[dark compass]

I'm not sure how limbo's double spawn fares against just having insane kpm

But it definitely is an option

[narrow pendant]

could be on tiles where spawns are far apart, so rifting enemies lets new ones come closer already

[north jolt]

I remember the early days of Scarlett Spear. Not gonna say they were good times, but Limbo mains were eating well for a short while

What do you think a proto-Limbo would be like?

[fast dew]

Loid

[north jolt]

Actually that makes too much sense

Loid but also has a autistic interest in math and quantum physics

[fast dew]

Just gonna

Post this again

[north jolt]

Yeah soon you as you said it I could already envision it

[narrow pendant]

yeah no there is no way they didnt model his clothes after limbo prime

[fast dew]

Like

Those are base colours

[brittle siren]

How about we turn Necraloid into Limbo

[ocean geyser]

Limbo Necramech skin….

[brittle siren]

Imagine Limbo Proto has 2 ppl live rent free inside: 1 is Loid 1 is Otak and they keep switching

[narrow pendant]

reminds me of sinclair from deadlock

one body 2 souls 2 VAs

honestly, id prefer if they gave the ordis and necraloid companion skins voicelines

when they are downed or revived and some occasional ones

with necraloid also having otak

[ocean geyser]

Agree

[brittle siren]

In PvZ Garden Warfare 2, there is a crown (cosmetic) that, when equipped, will shout like an announcer every time you kill or assist, etc. The thing is, it will become really annoying over time.

Sure, sometimes it would sound really cool when Ordis saying sth like “bloodbath” after killing a lot of mobs, but some ppl already get annoyed when he was just an NPC. Besides, it would also make you have a hard time listening to other audio cues, like those in Medalion in the current Operation.

[narrow pendant]

it would literally just be like a protoskin though

[radiant pier]

did quincy just say famalam

did he deadass just say famalam

I end off my session with the kimchats!

[brittle siren]

ik, but still

and beside if proto skin for sentinel go with proto skin for warframe, the subtitle would not be happy about that

DE still haven't fix the bug where Triad convo keep mixing each other (in their room not Kim chat)

[narrow pendant]

could be toggled via auxiliary cosmetics then, they already got stuff that lets your moa have different animations

[radiant pier]

Arthur can't tell who's had it worse?

didn't we die over and over for centuries

I feel like that's def worse

[narrow pendant]

i feel more like him keeping it vague is to not make drifter feel worse since its their trauma

you dont want to directly push it into their face

the worst thing someone with trauma can have from an interaction is that they seem defined by it

outside of having to deal with trauma in the first place ofc

[radiant pier]

hello Lettie.

lmao wait

Roathe breaking up a fight that's hilarious

[fast dew]

... oh no

Was it. With marie and tagfer

[radiant pier]

yes

btw, so The Operator and The Lotus

they've basically been inactive since the old peace released?

[tall echo]

...kinda?

that's. the newest update.

like there's not been anything to do after

[radiant pier]

okay wait

this kimchat with Marie is kinda hilarious

can you imagine Roathe coming upstairs, tries to speak one word, and gets immediately beamed by The Father and several necramechs?

[fast dew]

Mmm

Mm. You'll learn soon

[pale cedar]

Chat
Should I tell Euleria I want a refund because her book didn't work?

[radiant pier]

you want to get hanged by the balls and have a gaming laptop play where winds meet on top of it?

[fast dew]

What.

[tall echo]

what.

[radiant pier]

what I'm asking if he's really itching to be murdered by The Mother

what the hell was that, show yourself

I saw that

which of you lot said yes

[fast dew]

She. Has lines after he is up there

[radiant pier]

OI GET BACK HERE

[radiant pier]

I'll ignore it for now

[zenith ore]

[proper barn]

Well the operator was made to do like war and atrocities.

[radiant pier]

this is a conversation between The Drifter and Arthur

[tall echo]

not important for a conversation between drifter and arthur, is it

[proper barn]

Is it not about the operator and drifter.

[tall echo]

no

[proper barn]

Oh it's about Arthur and drifter?

If so Still hard to compare. Cuz Arthur like he can't escape

His fate.

Arthur is now stuck forever as a werid warframe monster that will either die or turn into warframe fully.

[exotic lark]

Yalls who's voice is it in the follie hunt mission

[strange plinth]

an archimedean, unknown who exactly

nitokh is highly unlikely, as she's an executor, not an archimedean, and would have very little reason to give shitty therapy to a bunch of children that were on tuvul's project

[zenith ore]

People are speculating, not revealed yet

[stiff beacon]

Its probably an archimedean based on a voice line and the voice line file names

[strange plinth]

"I am the Archimedean. You are the subject."
plays when getting downed
and, yea, voice lines are labelled "archimedean" in the files

[stiff beacon]

As to which archimedean it is

Well

We can safely say its not yonta or otak

Could be suda maybe

[narrow pendant]

suda was all about music

not art

[pallid spoke]

I thought the implication was that the Archimedean is Follie? Or rather, Follie was the Archimedean.

[strange plinth]

may have become Follie later, but there's not much indicating it
one of the letters says Follie was "put in service to cruel masters" but that doesn't line up with the attitude the archimedean has

[zenith ore]

When I first played it I thought it was follie herself talking

[pale cedar]

Same

[tall echo]

I still think it is

[zenith ore]

Same but people say it's someone/something else

[pale cedar]

DE didn't really give us much to work with

[strange plinth]

a decent amount about the therapy itself, but not very much about follie
and if the archimedean and follie are the same person, there's not a ton that points to it. or why they'd be the same

[zenith ore]

She came out last week what would you have them give, pretty sure more will come out later on

[pale cedar]

Some lore would be nice

[strange plinth]

if more was going to come out, i think it would've been with Operation Atramentum, but afaik there's just the operation shop

[stiff fable]

Yeah. Going by how Zorba's attitude shifts, it's pretty clear that Follie was trying to help people, only to have her work twisted by the Orokin and Archimedean

[zenith ore]

Remember someone saying she was a therapist.
Don't know how he got that conclusion

[stiff fable]

I believe one of Zorba's letters says she's the one who made the shadowgraphing technique

I kinda wonder if the hunt is how shadowgraphing really works

Like, you pick up the ink and it draws for you based on your feelings and subconscious thoughts

[zenith ore]

Isn't that what you are doing

[stiff fable]

Right but right now the ink's haunted

[strange plinth]

???: "Good, just like that. Let the paint guide you."
???: "Jolly good! Another facet of yourself committed to ink."
???: "You think the paint looks like blood? Look deeper. Tell me more."
???: "Wonderful. Painting by painting, we grow closer to your truth."
???: "You just keep on painting. I shall tell you what it all means."

[zenith ore]

You know, if you think about it the therapist idea makes sense

[strange plinth]

???: "Relax. Paint what you feel."
???: "Breathe in, breathe out. Let the paint flow."
???: "The smooth white page is listening. Can the paint tell it a story?"
???: "You just need to paint. That's all. Everything will be made clear, in time."

???: "You say you're seeing faces? Whose faces? How many? How many of them have you killed?"

[zenith ore]

Like before, she used to make said tenno feel good about stuff, Pause.
But now after it's all haunted and stuff, it haunts the tenno using his past mistakes?

[strange plinth]

mm, imo its the therapy the tenno got before margulis
the archimedean accuses them of killing their parents, mocks them for hearing "the voices", complains about their behavior, calls them guilty, etc

[zenith ore]

Hmmm

[strange plinth]

???: "You say they were attacking you? So you killed them all?"
???: "What's wrong? Is it the voices again?"
???: "This absurd behaviour simply has to stop."
???: "I can have you put back in your capsule like that."
???: "You can't run from a guilty conscience. It's in there with you."
???: "Can you please co-operate for longer than two minutes this time?"
???: "You didn't think I'd let a little reject like you get under my skin, did you?"
???: "I don't know how I'm expected to deal with all of you at once."

[zenith ore]

The last 2 lines are interesting

[stiff fable]

The kids are absolutely feral at this point

She also has the line about returning subjects to storage

[strange plinth]

bringing this one back
#lore-discussion message

[strange plinth]

-# in opposite order for no particular reason

???: "Take this one back to storage. We're done for now."
???: "Subject is stabilized. Return to cryo."

???: "I have experience dealing with difficult subjects."
???: "I am not above resorting to physical restraint."
???: "Oh yeah? I can scream just as loudly as you."

[strange plinth]

there's also

???: "Where are you going? Therapy is in session."

[stiff fable]

Yep

[ashen pulsar]

why is this voice in vesper relay? do w know anything abt it?

[stiff fable]

So the Archimedean is a therapist using shadowgraphs

It's almost certainly the Orokin trying to make the Tenno normal after the Zariman

[strange plinth]

relay's haunted (/s?)
voice is an archimedean giving therapy to the tenno

[stiff fable]

It's in Vesper for three reasons

Rebb started with the idea of the Mario 64 frame

Eg jumping into a portrait

[zenith ore]

I don't wish this type of therapy on my worst enemy

[strange plinth]

especially not when the therapist hits them with

???: "Nobody has any sympathy for you."

[stiff fable]

They also wanted a horror theme and were trying to figure out where to put it on the star chart

[stiff fable]

And then realized that Vesper Relay had been untouched for 13 years

[zenith ore]

I have always wondered why is that relay destroyed and empty. Welp

[stiff fable]

That brought everything together, so they made the destroyed Vesper section and the cursed Vesper section inside the picture

[stiff fable]

As mentioned, the players in 2013 didn't think DE would actually destroy a relay

[ashen pulsar]

how tf did follie and a random archimedean’s voice end up possessing a destroyed relay tho

[zenith ore]

It's not that scary tbh, got jumpscared once and it was by that damn elevator

[strange plinth]

relay got blown up by fomorians in an event a while ago
which has been restated as canon in the 5th kozai letter

[stiff fable]

The Arbiters had Follie's portrait

Kozai fell into it by accident years ago, but rather than be traumatized by it he realized that it was replaying Tenno secrets

[zenith ore]

Who was kozai? Is he mentioned anywhere else

[stiff fable]

Which means he knew the Tenno secret way before any of us did

[strange plinth]

no, just by zorba

[zenith ore]

New figure

[stiff fable]

New character, but from around when the Tenno reappeared in the timeline

[strange plinth]

zorba idle dialogue points to the arbiters existing before the orokin collapse, before we went to sleep the first time
they. always knew

[stiff fable]

Even then it was a state secret

[smoky gulch]

Arbiters of Hexis lore section

[strange plinth]

as usual

[stiff fable]

Like, Warframes were treated as a myth, the Tenno being separate was execution-or-induction-into-the-program level

[strange plinth]

"The Tenno of old entrusted the first Arbiters with their secrets, to guard them during the Long Sleep. We have been comrades for lifetimes."

[stiff fable]

Oop, well then

That's pretty definitive

[smoky gulch]

It's not like Orokin can say the failed Tau adventure of Zariman left behind orphans with paranoia and void powers puppeteering infested cyborgs

[stiff fable]

Also this confirms the Arbiters as the best minor faction

[strange plinth]

"The day Vesper Relay died... she must have been so scared. I mean no disrespect, Tenno, but I wish more of you had fought against Vay Hek that day."
lmao

[smoky gulch]

Years old side eye

[fierce coral]

so like... how do the veils work on the solaris..? And more importantly, why did ballas have them sing a sick tune??? (Thought about while replaying new war)

[zenith ore]

Who's talking

[strange plinth]

Zorba

[pallid spoke]

It's probably capable of affecting them through their rig's optics.

[stiff fable]

The veils seem to link into your sensory inputs. Even though their heads are elsewhere, the Solaris robot head bits still transfer information in

[fierce coral]

thats way worse then being veiled normally lol

and what about the fat beat???

[strange plinth]

a corruption of their regular work song, made into worship

[fierce coral]

but if theyre supposed to be way more efficient with work, why take a break for choir practice?

[stiff fable]

Yeah, based on how the veil works when Drifter dons one, it gets into your head and tries to rewrite your memories

So you go from Margulis loving the Tenno to secretly hating them, and Ballas being their true parent

Now there's one major, ultimate hole with that

[strange plinth]

Erra: "What does it matter? We-- you have won. Narmer spreads across the system. Monuments rise to your glory. All who live, bios and not, kneel before you--"
efficiency doesn't matter. the work will get done regardless, but devotion is active

[stiff fable]

That ain't Drifter's story

For some reason, Drifter wearing the Veil gets a program trying to mind whammy the Operator

[fierce coral]

RIP Erra

[fierce coral]

do you think it wouldve worked on operator?

[stiff fable]

Erra killed a puppy no peace for him

[stiff fable]

Actually yeah, eventually

[strange plinth]

drifter doesn't know half of those people lol

[fierce coral]

could be ballas, or the STILL ALIVE guy Nihil

[pallid spoke]

Probably for the same reason that Ordis' scanners recognize the Drifter as the Operator.

[stiff fable]

Right, because generically it's the same person

[fierce coral]

drifter knows all of them

[stiff fable]

But mentally it shouldn't have worked like that

Except well

Hrm

[strange plinth]

not at the time of veiling
they knew ballas, big maybe on margulis, definitely not lotus

[stiff fable]

Duviri Paradox has a few very odd lines

Including some where Drifter makes it sound like they ARE the Operator from New War, sent through the Zariman time and ending up in a different path

[strange plinth]

hmm?

[stiff fable]

Teshin: "Through the eye of a storm… I'm not sure if I was dead or alive at the time. You?"

Drifter: "Huh, it's been too long for me. Maybe I was on that ship… or maybe… the same way you did."```

[strange plinth]

that sounds more like speculation to me
but i can see how that could imply they're the actual same operator, yea

[stiff fable]

Yeah, it's definitely not the actual answer, just DE muddying the water

But the Tennocon iteration of Duviri Paradox's intro has Teshin tell Drifter that they've even played out the events of the quest before

[pallid spoke]

I saw it as more of a nod/easter-egg, than any kind of evidence.

Because it was clear to me that Drifter's brain wasn't working right.

[stiff fable]

Oh for sure

It's a way of hiding that Drifter and Operator are separate

Makes more sense if you could start the whole game with Duviri, since you'd get to Second Dream and think that your character was a child in reality and Drifter was their imagined older self

[tall echo]

if the entire context of the quest wasn't a thing duviri would've been a great alternate start

[stiff fable]

Apparently it kinda failed though, Warframe's new player retention rate cratered until it was placed behind The Second Dream orz

People would start Duviri and dislike it enough to leave

[strange plinth]

-# it still isn't behind TSD currently

[stiff fable]

The requirement is Uranus Junction

[tall echo]

yea

[strange plinth]

and TSD is Neptune Junction

[stiff fable]

oh right, Neptune is after Uranus

I never do Sealab lol

[ocean geyser]

I still have no idea why they didn’t put it back to after New War

[tall echo]

because it never was after tnw?

[ocean geyser]

Huh?-

Hm
Not sure if im misremembering/misinformed
but im pretty sure the idea was that it was supposed to be after new war
Then “hey alt start point” happened

[tall echo]

duviri started as an alternate start, then got pushed to post-vor's prize, and now it is where it is

[tall echo]

there was nothing on where it was originally supposed to be set

[ocean geyser]

Interesting

[strange plinth]

its 'chronologically' set between act 1 and 2 of new war, so post-new war does make sense
but, yeah, shenanigans

[ocean geyser]

shenanigans™

[ocean geyser]

To be fair getting fake memories jammed into your head would still be rather overwhelming

[twin wigeon]

Oh so interestedly enough I got a voiceline from lotus near the pool talking about drifter having the hand of Natah and operator having the essence of adis

And that she hoped that would not enrage the Tau locals

[cyan thistle]

Were you always able to see durviri behind the zaramin?

[strange plinth]

not sure about always but i don't think its a recent thing

[smoky gulch]

Probably since duviri release

[restive river]

Yes

[restive river]

It was there before to tease it

[quick dagger]

Im currently playing the new war that jackle fight was straight cheeks

[restive river]

They had so many Duviri teasers, the dax on Lua, the Orowyrms in the tunnel of love, Teshin’s sword in the Dormizone and that

[restive river]

It’s the most aggravating part 100%

[strange plinth]

there's two parts of TNW that most people hate
and they're both corpus related

[cyan thistle]

Ok thanks

[quick dagger]

Now I became teshin snd need to watch another video on what to do 🥀
Ts game really does have an explanation problem

[strange plinth]

huh?
the teshin bit is fairly simple

[fast dew]

Nah you can get. Harassed so bad by the sentients

[quick dagger]

I get blown up when I run passed the sentients

[strange plinth]

there's a few wall traps, yeah
you have to give a wide berth to em
otherwise its just matching the 3 stances to whatever sentient is in front of you

[fast dew]

Issue is is that. There's like 4 all at you 💔

[strange plinth]

sometimes, yeah
can usually lead one away by kiting them, though

[quick dagger]

Yeah I just did that

[normal mountain]

I just focused on one at a time
Swiftly killed all Sentient groups that way

[quick dagger]

I used all 3 elements and didnt do dmg to them so idk

[normal mountain]

Hmm

[strange plinth]

only room where i had an issue was one of the last big ones
with the jump that you could totally make if you could bullet jump but you're teshin
and i think that's just because there's a second wave that can spawn after you pass them

[fast dew]

Mmhm

Thats the area i got bullied in the most

[normal mountain]

Teshin can bullet jump though?

[quick dagger]

Nah

For some reason he cant 🥀

[strange plinth]

nah he has the glaive that i don't remember the name of to grapple around

[quick dagger]

A skilled warrior thousands of years old cant do a silly spin jump

[normal mountain]

I swear I remember bullet jumping with him

[fast dew]

Oh and veso's section sucked

[normal mountain]

Yes, I had to use his Orvius too, but still

[quick dagger]

You can jump and roll for a speed boost

[normal mountain]

Never fully mastered that technique

Even with my warframes

[fast dew]

Heh. Loid can do more than Teshin

[normal mountain]

Teshin can double jump

[fast dew]

So can Loid

Except Loid can use a gun while doing it

[quick dagger]

Teshin doesnt one shot everything that's why he sucks

I thought the story just forgot about bro after the second dream

[normal mountain]

Weak
One shots are not the only thing that- ah, forget it, this argument is already a lost cause

[quick dagger]

I just wasted 5 minutes not distributing energy nodes ts pmo

Lol every comment on every video of this game says how shit the game is

Too much negativity for me 😔

[normal mountain]

...isn't there a rule of thumb about not reading comments on videos?

[quick dagger]

This is for every game not just wraframe

[quick dagger]

Well i want to see if the method works

[quick dagger]

If theres a puzzle or something thats always a thing

[sweet wadi]

So who is talking over the intercom during the hunt missions, Follie herself?

[strange plinth]

an archimedean
maybe follie but currently unknown

[radiant pier]

I quite like Veso's section

relatively easy too

I hated Teshin's section tho

[strange plinth]

yea i enjoyed venmo's section

[radiant pier]

you mean Veko

[sweet wadi]

Veto?

[ashen pulsar]

still so sad that he died

RIP vespa

[strange plinth]

a noble sacrifice from teko

[sweet wadi]

We will never forget Vote

[tall echo]

yeah, poor teto

[sweet wadi]

Also does this new update officially make New Loka the least relevant syndicate? They were involved in the grove mission and nothing else tmk.

[strange plinth]

steel meridian still don't have a quest dedicated to them

[sweet wadi]

They have the defector missions though

[tall echo]

and the whole rathuum operation

[sweet wadi]

Being tree nazis makes you unpopular, who knew

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/teto-kasane-teto-gif-18004881838616477608

[celest needle]

Technically, how canon is the Descendia and Old Peace multiplayer?

[strange plinth]

ehh, not

Old Peace multiplayer could technically be other tenno that were helping you when you were actually there, but not other tenno reliving it with you

[celest needle]

How about the descendia?

The sanctum isn't exclusively the chosen tenno and is available to all thanks to gargoyles cry

[stiff fable]

I don't think Roathe would like other Tenno rooting around in his mind

[strange plinth]

descendia, if we ignore the drifter requirement, already has 4 people in/around the refractory
adding more could be. complicated

[stiff fable]

I think the other players are reflecting Tenno the Drifter has met

Summoned allies, basically

Though, actually, I think I know how we can canonize non-player Drifters:

They're Tenno who weren't stored in Lua

They woke up earlier from the dream and have aged

[strange plinth]

they would all have to be stored in Lua, no?