lore-discussion

[fast dew]

There was a shroom

[stiff fable]

Schrodinger's box

[drifting lintel]

Can I see the Kim quotes?

[pale cedar]

Garudas lore box

[fast dew]

Im informing my baby tenno about doom lore but Im sure nemesis can go find it

Go do it nemesis.

[pale cedar]

Oh, doom lore

It's Adis and I'm dying on that hill

[fast dew]

NEMESIS GO DO IT

IM TRYING TO BEAT CTHULLU'S STOMACH

[drifting lintel]

I don't think nemesis is doing it

[strange turtle]

fym only

[fast dew]

Its almost 5am now

I have the whole day to sleep

[fast dew]

He fails me everytime 💔

Ill go get it

[pale cedar]

You can't sleep

[fast dew]

No i cant I gotta explain how doom uses religion as a form of authoritarianism

[drifting lintel]

So does the real world

[dark compass]

Who doesn't

[fast dew]

Yeah but you get troglodytes who think doomguy is Christian as if thats not why his bunny got ganked so

People gotta be stupid

[drifting lintel]

Ha!

[pale cedar]

I could find it but it's more fun watching you suffer trying to find it while struggling with sleep

[fast dew]

Anyways, both instances of us and roathe saying children/kids

[fast dew]

I hope you remember how wet your skin is underneath the top layer.

[fast dew]

These predate me asking Rebecca, just so you know

Its what made me ask, my first thought was that the lettie chat was just a typo

But..children aint really. A easy typo to make

So then I thought it was

Typo turned game of telephone

So then I asked Rebecca and it

Shattered my world view

[drifting lintel]

Idk I think roathe was just being vague. He only mentions one set of extra hands.

[fast dew]

He. He mentions children 😭 twice

Those arent really divergent parts of the conversation iirc

[drifting lintel]

Yeah but it's kinda weird phrasing ain't it.

Plural, singular, plural, plural.

[fast dew]

"Mother of his children" is. Pretty damning

Considering past conversations with drifter too

But. Then at the same time

Mother is a product of. Genetic selection

They chose Gerivaine based on her genetic value

And. Euleria being her child is the result

So I dont see why there would be other children

But. Clearly there. Was

[drifting lintel]

"Had children" (plural)
"An extra set of hands" (singular)
"Accomplices" (plural)
"Mother of his children" (plural kids)

[pale cedar]

The forgotten child

[fast dew]

An extra set of hands would apply to mother and mother alone I feel

I did also specify that it wasnt about the cavia too

[drifting lintel]

... Wait the cavia do call him papa

[fast dew]

Yeah, which is why I specified it wasnt avout the cavia

[pale cedar]

It's always about the Cavia

[fast dew]

I think wally might’ve been aware of the possible dead children [because Rebb also said that] and made the cavia act like that in response

[drifting lintel]

Did albrecht's wife help in the void experiments?

[pale cedar]

Kalymos sequence
The Cavia
Albrecht wanting to make Wally dumb
The Cavia

[fast dew]

She died soon after mother was born

[drifting lintel]

Okay then nvm

[pale cedar]

This definitely means Albrecht had to have cheated because the timeline ain't matching up

[fast dew]

Id say that she probably died when mother was between 5 to 10 years old at most

[fast dew]

How some folk would see Albrecht

[fast dew]

Mother needed help lighting candles for her death [loid helping] so i imagine that mother was on the younger side when Gerivaine died

[pale cedar]

Folk didn't even want to see Albrecht till Wally gave a gift

[drifting lintel]

Yeah I don't see mother having siblings

If loid had to help her with the candles

[fast dew]

Mhm, which. Makes the whole genetic specific child done by higher ups weirder. They don't gaf about his ass 😭

[fast dew]

Albrecht was. Out being depressed, so loid had to help, though im sure he wouldve regardless

[pale cedar]

Was literally his job

[drifting lintel]

Albrecht was what?

[fast dew]

His job was being an Archimedian assistant, not a second father 😭

[drifting lintel]

He's a butler

[fast dew]

Depressed, Albrecht was. A guy

[drifting lintel]

Are you using Google translate for this?

[fast dew]

He was specifically an Archimedian assistant first, then. Became a butler lol

[pale cedar]

Not how the story played out

[fast dew]

No its just really early and im mainly using voice to text

[drifting lintel]

That explains the weird ass punctuation and incomplete sentences.

[fast dew]

Yeah its when I stop and start speaking, I struggle with it

But my hands hurt worse

[pale cedar]

Funnily, Archimedian and Archemedean have both been used by DE

[fast dew]

.why.

[tall echo]

archimedes?

[fast dew]

PIGEON

[pale cedar]

They can't make their mind up

[strange turtle]

ORB

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/medic-tf2-archimedes-medicmybeloved-gif-22766595

[dark compass]

Archemidean

[jolly roost]

Can the Infested spread underwater? It's weird that I have never heard or seen it do something like that before. I don't think the exocrine exactly counts (Unless exocrine is just water that's been transformed by the infested)

[pale cedar]

DE honestly gotta pick a spelling and stick with it

[fast dew]

"I was trained to assist Archimedians, not warriors or animals, but I shall do my best."

He just took more and more duties on, so. Thats. Cool

Oh and we know that someone in the entrati family is an Archimedian

[pale cedar]

Most butler thing ever

[drifting lintel]

Nope. At least they can't infest the water itself.

We know this because of the infested in the cetus water.

[drifting lintel]

... Albrecht, otak, the kids...

[fast dew]

The Archimedian diadem in the netracells suggest one of them are, but which one is. Unknown i think

[jolly roost]

So... Is just plain water somehow an effective counter against their spread?

[pale cedar]

No stated cases of it getting underwater unless you count Archwing

[drifting lintel]

Not really, they can swim and still grow tendrils in it, the spores just seem to die in water.

[fast dew]

Gotta remember that son was a failed scientist, daughter couldn't because of. A loophole, mother maybe? Otak could've been but it doesnt seem that he was all that close to Albrecht specifically

[drifting lintel]

Why was son a failed scientist?

[fast dew]

He. Kinda just was lmao

[dark compass]

sometimes you just dont have the mindset

[drifting lintel]

We know that otak was an archemidian.

[fast dew]

He calls himself such, along with mother never really caring for his actions

[pale cedar]

Most Orokin thing ever

[fast dew]

Yes, but. Loid doesnt give any indication that he was partially close to Albrecht specifically. Albrecht doesnt even have Son's or Father's tokens in the netracells, he was picky with it

[drifting lintel]

I think he just didn't get to grow up enough to fully become one. He is quite the mad scientist nowadays resurrecting infested animals and such.

[pale cedar]

He's more mature than his sister

[fast dew]

He is, he is, but. Not enough to be an Archimedian

If the golden child couldn't be one i doubt he could

[drifting lintel]

Ehhhh? I think they were just like ... Mentally teens when the bio bomb went off

[fast dew]

Nah, adults. They're just immature

[pale cedar]

Daughter couldn't even get into the school

[drifting lintel]

That's... Why I said mentally

[fast dew]

Son is actually pretty normal

Daughter is.

[drifting lintel]

No he is not.
He pretended he destroyed all of daughter's fish and gave her the ashes.

[fast dew]

Juvenile, but like in the way where a 25 year old woman acts like how she did in highschool ykim

[fast dew]

I mean. Maturity wise. He is far more stable than his sister 😭

[drifting lintel]

They're different types of immature and unstable. But they're equal in amounts.

[fast dew]

Ehhh son just has mad mommy issues daughter is.

[pale cedar]

I wanna know what technicality led to Daughter not getting in

[dark compass]

spoiled and a bit disconnected from reality

[fast dew]

Girl why are you chomping at the bit to go to war

[dark compass]

rich people things

[fast dew]

Rich people behaviour

She also cut her father's arm off

[drifting lintel]

I thought that was an accident

[pale cedar]

Nope

[fast dew]

No, that one was intentional

[drifting lintel]

Ah

[fast dew]

Mother stabbed the hell out of father too

Mm. Domestic abuse

[drifting lintel]

Why did they stab him and rip off the arm?

[fast dew]

He told mother that her father was gone and that she needed to move on

[pale cedar]

Mother had a valid crash out

[fast dew]

Which lead to mother stabbing him with her shard of seriglass

Daughter was. From memory, her crashing out at her father for the expectations he set on her but it was like. Those were reasonable expectations

[pale cedar]

Entrati family are very dysfunctional

[fast dew]

Yeah, the main thing was that. It seemed to be sort of because of wally

[pale cedar]

Wally hates the whole family

[fast dew]

Fair, interestingly though mother seemed to. Not be aware of wally somehow

[pale cedar]

She was aware

Wally played knock door run on her

[fast dew]

Nup. Not. Aware of wally. She was pissed that wally was a thing, along with duviri

She was hearing his presence, but she thought that was her father

[pale cedar]

She should’ve read Albrechts logs tbh

Not a real Albrecht fan if she doesn’t do that

[fast dew]

True if i knew that smh

[pale cedar]

What I wonder is
Why were the logs locked behind a door that only void entities could go through

[fast dew]

The labs needed to be sealed

[pale cedar]

They were already sealed

It basically allowed Wally to just walk through the door the whole time

Albrecht should’ve just made it a Wally banned door or something

Is he stupid?

[fast dew]

It. Did actually, father was killing murmur

[pale cedar]

Albrecht, Why leave before locking the door

Actually, Why did the PC lie to me about Father

It said the family didn’t know

[fast dew]

Mm? Well, retcon maybe

Father didnt tell the others

[pale cedar]

The Tenno has encountered the Entrati Family on Deimos. The Family remains unaware of the existence of these laboratories. The Necraloid is an exception. Its memory is, however, suppressed until the activation of the Kalymos Sequence.

PC be lying

This is why Books are better

Thomas did the dialogue say he knows of the labs or just say he knows Murmur exists?

If it’s just murmur maybe it’s just Murmur came up and he knows that way

[fast dew]

He. Killed murmur

[pale cedar]

There’s killing Murmur that go up then there’s knowing where they came from

Does anything past “I killed them” get mentioned?

[drifting lintel]

"that thing's weird"
Bam bam
"Okay better guard that door"

[blissful jungle]

Soooo lore channel...
Can someone explain to me what the unum is? Are they a god? What?

[tall echo]

we don't know

[fast dew]

We dont know what she is outside. Meat tower

[pale cedar]

Unum lore when?

This lore book Unum page is virtually empty

[blissful jungle]

That's what I'm saying

[drifting lintel]

The unum either lives in or is the tower next to cetus. It tells the ostoron which parts to cut off for food and which ones to leave alone.

It also gives visions to the quills with a lot of details (unlike komi who was always vague)

It can also just stop time. Fully. And it's blood called the blue kuva can reverse the sentient serialization.

[weak yacht]

did on-lyne get turned into the technocyte coda? or is it a mimic copy of it

[pale cedar]

It’s more likely Unum is an entity in the Tower tbh based on how Unum acts in New War and the fact no Void tower is shown stopping time or talking

[drifting lintel]

The coda were a creation of their records company trying to use technocyte to recreate them, so they wouldn't have to pay the boyband anymore.

[weak yacht]

holy sh its the AI layoff lore? no freaking way

i love warframe

[fast dew]

Music producer: 0
Orokin empire: 1
-# the orokin empire hated AI

[woven coyote]

Temple kuva

Blue kuva is from the halloween story

[pale cedar]

Bluva might not even be real

[woven coyote]

Hmm i forgot where was the mention of the effect of temple kuva on sentients

[tall echo]

gara quest, no?

[pulsar pendant]

The Tenno girl in the trailer, I assume it's in the lore, but why isn't she asleep as the other Tenno?

[woven coyote]

Ah the glass key fragments

[tall echo]

it's a representation of our tenno activating their frame, not an actual tenno

the awakening cinematic was outsourced and the ppl making it took some creative liberties

[pulsar pendant]

Ohh

So it's for the players

[dark compass]

Cavia glyphs are back

[restive river]

She’s called Mara in reference to the players internal name, but she’s just a representation of us waking up
No Tenno was awake or outside the dream like that other than Rell, technically
And he was busy in Harrow with Wally

[pulsar pendant]

Ohh thx for the explanation

[mental herald]

Ai actually defeated orokin when you think about it. Sentients are ai

[tall echo]

and they lost

[mental herald]

I know. They lost to pure meat and potatoes in the end. Not tech

[misty helm]

They had drones too, if you count those as AI

[pale cedar]

They lost to Orokin in the end when the Orokin swapped to the old ways

[proper barn]

WELL

Depends on what we think losing is?

[pale cedar]

They couldn't hack gun

[proper barn]

But they did though.

With lotus.

And got us to gun the orokin.

[pale cedar]

But it was Ballas who caused Naga Drums to happen by reprogramming the hacker

[proper barn]

Well

We could talk about like how the Naga drums was always supposed to happen.

But Ballas was working with Hunhow to cause this.

A oroking causing the orokin downfall is on point.

[pale cedar]

Most Orokin thing ever

[blissful jungle]

Is this accurate?

https://youtube.com/shorts/Rh393f3rwDo?si=0AaEL0Zm3NkliDn9
If so I see the man in the walls in a very different light now

[pale cedar]

Wally doesn't embody Eternalism like it tries suggesting but can manipulate it

[blissful jungle]

K but that's still kinda scary to think about tbh

[restive river]

Yeah no that’s more of a theory, we don’t know if he can just
Watch everything iirc

He can access eternalism to some extent though

He’s why Drifter exists
He collapsed the timelines so Baro was one (or uh. Two)

[pale cedar]

He spun a wheel here and there to kill a few kids

[restive river]

He somehow split our reality into two options, one where every child on the Zariman got powers and one where all but we did, which resulted in Duviri

He also somehow collapsed the timelines for Baro

[woven coyote]

I'd say reality isnt really split because the point of divergence happened within the void

[pale cedar]

It's funny how people try saying Baro at Halloween wasn't Wally when if you look at all the evidence

Halloween Baro uses Voidtounge saying Albrecht’s words backwards

Is selling Albrecht's books

Wally has the very tools to do that

Baro stated the deal was for all Baro’s except him to die

Baro says he wasn't there

[restive river]

true yeah
But in Baro's case it wasn't

[woven coyote]

Yeah baro is his own can of martian jellyfish

[blissful jungle]

oh god Martian jellyfish

[blissful jungle]

That's such a warframe thing to say

[woven coyote]

From an old event called cryotic front

[humble sierra]

It's a bit uncharacteristic for Wally to just be selling stuff, being scared, and warning the Tenno about stuff. The Real Baro being stuck in the Void and miraculously being free reminds me of how the Drifter and Operator can't both occupy the same space outside of the Void and void-filled areas. I think the specific wording was that it would refine all Baros into a "single perfect individual", which still potentially gives leeway to some Wally wordplay of there also being imperfect individuals?

[humble sierra]

Nitokh statue being one of the event rewards...

[plush mauve]

srts,u

[fast dew]

YOU CAN LINK HIM

[clever linden]

Which is the worst cultish syndicate, Red Veil, New Loka, or Arbiters of Hexis?

[stiff beacon]

ngl new loka

cause while red veil has their whole thing, arbiters are pretty chill, new loka are kinda bit too ecoterroist

[tall echo]

veil and loka are competing for worst

[stiff fable]

Veil

Veil's own leadership has never returned to them because they're crazy

[ashen pulsar]

loka probably

red veil isn't exactly evil, per se, they're just extreme.

[rose estuary]

They also have a grineer actively being tortured in the back of their relay room…

Which is right next to steel meridian’s room…

[ashen pulsar]

like they're friends with steel meridian, so they believe redemption is possible to a degree

[ashen pulsar]

steel meridian accept that they are different from the unmutated grineer.

you can pledge to them and still murder hundreds of thousands of grineer.

[rose estuary]

Oh ok

[ashen pulsar]

they also protect colonies against the main grineer faction.

[clever linden]

The Harrow quest really made them seem a bit more if not sympathetic, at least understandable. They don’t just want to kill people for the lols, they see themselves as an inquisition against anyone they believe is corrupted by the indifference

[clever linden]

All Grineer are “mutated” it’s not something that they choose, the clone rot makes them more physically weaker, and less mentally stable over time, not to mention the genetic programming to obey the queens that all Grineer, including steel meridian, feel.

[clever linden]

Problem is, their determination for being corrupted by the indifference is vibe-based. They label the player themselves as “corrupted” simply if you choose to work against them. How do they know none of their own members haven’t been corrupted?

[stiff fable]

Also, they absolutely have been corrupted by the Man in the Wall

[strange plinth]

and in their own devotion, they became corrupted by what they wanted burned out

[clever linden]

What makes you think that?

[stiff fable]

....the entire plot of Chains of Harrow?

[strange plinth]

the first half of chains, at least
and palladino remaining in iron wake

[clever linden]

Oh yeah there was corrupted members you fight there

[stiff fable]

And Palladino has never returned to the Veil for her own safety

[clever linden]

I like to call Wally the “Chaos God of Indifference”

Props if you get the reference

[stiff fable]

Everyone here knows 40K

[ashen pulsar]

true. by "unmutated" I'm referring to the fact that steel meridian lack the loyalty gene or have defective genes added into them

[lean garden]

thats why I paint my warframes purple

free invis

[clever linden]

I just said that they gave the defective genes. They aren’t eugenicist. They have the same genetic programming all grinder have, they simply resist it.

[fast dew]

Its why I like making them red.. red gauss...

[stiff fable]

oh I thought you were going to say the Evangelion references

[strange plinth]

"I serve the Veil but the flock has been driven mad. I humbly beg for the protection of you and your vessel."
there's never a true mention of Red Veil returning to normal. Palladino says she'll rebuild at the end of the quest, though nothing has truly changed as a result of it

[ashen pulsar]

they are capable of resisting due to genetic mutations.

I don't care what you said, this is a fact.

[fast dew]

I once got told I supported eugenics by believing in ethical euthanasia.. that. Was. Weird

[strange plinth]

the Kavor were introduced in The Pacifism Defect

[stiff fable]

Yeah nothing can really change with the subfactions, sadly

[fast dew]

Got called a nazi cuz I don't think animals should be forced to live through debilitating deformations man people are weird

[clever linden]

My own Steel Miridian crew member frequently says to me “I still hear them. Calling me to obey. And I want to. Very badly. It always ends with a bulkhead dented and my hand busted. Disobeying isn’t a choice I make once, it’s a far stuck-on lifestyle, and, it, hurts.”

[fast dew]

Anyways, not all grineer have the capacity to go against the loyalty gene

[stiff fable]

New Loka supposedly gets less greenpeace after Silver Grove but nothing can change

[ashen pulsar]

and yet the fact that they can disobey is a mutation.

[fast dew]

Mhm

[clever linden]

Where is this said?

[fast dew]

Back in the days of the orokin, their gene pool was bigger and more stable, ergo no real rebelling grineer

[ashen pulsar]

it's not just a lot of willpower that separates them. it's a mutation, even if it doesn't wholly remove them from this.

[clever linden]

I think that’s just something the grineer leadership believes

They want to edit out free will but they can’t

[fast dew]

Nup, its a known thing

Its the same with the orokin era grineer

[ashen pulsar]

bios of crew members can say that they had defective genes introduced during conception

[fast dew]

I believe we talk to adis about it

[clever linden]

Id like to see that

So far I only remembered seeing them acting disobedient then they are tested for mutations they cannot rationalize

[ashen pulsar]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-crew-steel-meridian/

"Defective" genes deliberately introduced by unknown saboteur.

[clever linden]

“Judged possibly defective” so even they aren’t sure

I think the grineer are trying to think of free will as a disease they can cure

The scary thing is, Kuva seems to allow this

For the Dax

[proper barn]

This is not true. Kuva does a lot of things.

[clever linden]

But that’s probably an extension as to why Wally can control his beings like Murmur and Void Angels with no defections whatsoever

[proper barn]

It turned real like REAL DOGS into dog spirits

That attach to voruna.

[strange plinth]

Sargas Ruk: "Kavor, you're the worst of a bad batch. Inflicted with that mutation, the pacifism defect. You should have been incinerated like the garbage you are."

Darvo: "Every so often they mess up and make a Grineer who doesn't bow down to the Queens. My contractor is such a Grineer..."

Daughter: "Clone rot undermined genetic conditioning. You developed death fear."
a couple quotes referring to the loyalty gene

[proper barn]

No that's just cuz those are him.

The murmur are just like fragments of him.

[fast dew]

Much like the sentients

[ashen pulsar]

oh yeah that's better than what I found.

[proper barn]

The Angel's are people that go crazy hearing hos "song"

And then get taken over by void corruption.

[clever linden]

Daughter wasn’t talking about obedience, she was talking about self-preservation instincts, or “death fear”

[proper barn]

Kuva is a werid thing. It also seemingly is what fueled the like

[fast dew]

Nihil might have one referring to.. I believe his name is Gral?

[proper barn]

Narmer masks and stuff.

[strange plinth]

the fear of death overwriting their loyalty, a defect in the loyalty gene

[clever linden]

Doesn’t Teshin directly say that the Void Angels obey the Indifference?

[proper barn]

Not directly no.

[strange plinth]

just refers to the angels having a "master" iirc
but like. who else could that be

[proper barn]

But what I said is true.

[fast dew]

Yeah no they just feed off him, and. Teshin can be wrong

[proper barn]

Even if they have a "master"

[fast dew]

Characters can be wrong

[proper barn]

It doesn't mean they aren't what I said.

Also the murmur are just parts of wally.

[clever linden]

Teshin's Dialogue: During the Duviri Circuit (specifically Void Flood missions), Teshin states: "If the Void Angels break through the Wall, their master will be freed. Do not allow that to happen", referring to the Void Angels' relentless assault.

[proper barn]

Yeah.

This is indirectly.

[fast dew]

Wouldn't say that means he controls them

[clever linden]

And I believe him because he is basically a void ghost

[fast dew]

Ehh

[clever linden]

He’d understand this sort of thing

[strange plinth]

-# (if the Tenno shatters incorrect evidence relating to Gral, variant) Nihil: "The Orokin designed them to be perfect. This one's very existence spits in the face of perfection. And you would release him?"

-# (if the Tenno shatters incorrect evidence relating to Gral, variant) Nihil: "A deviant who was an affront to generations of martial greatness deserves no better than an eternity in the prison to which I have consigned him!"

-# (if the Tenno shatters incorrect evidence relating to Gral, variant) Nihil: "Trapped, forever separated from his little fluffy friend. Pathetic. Leave him."

-# (when Gral is freed) Nihil: "Wait. Of all the prisoners to free, you chose the doll-hugging pacifist?! This is too much!"
not as direct, but there's some stuff there, yeah

[fast dew]

His void stuff comes from the fact he was embodied from it, not that he is it, hes closer to dust than void

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/montypython-igotbetter-gif-5528939

^ Teshin

[fast dew]

And tbh

Unless teshin is secretly apart of the flock. [Entrati] he. Might not know much

What he does know could just come from Albrecht's time in duviri

Which might not even be first hand information

[stiff fable]

That's almost certainly it

[strange plinth]

-# i want to hear some of these why are none of nihil's battle lines on the wiki. just transcripts

[fast dew]

Albrecht's time in duviri predates Teshin's as well, which means. Like. He was probably told by others

[fast dew]

Literally its the most annoying thing 😭 he has. A nice voice i think

A bit grating but its nice

Still not over who his VA also does tho

[stiff fable]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/nightwave-3-glassmaker/

[fast dew]

"Braving the insides of another's mind takes a toll. Not for you, I think."

Mm, curious

[fast dew]

We're looking for the actual voice lines, i don't think the archives has them

I swear they actually removed some lines, feels like it at least

[strange plinth]

oh cool, thanks
-# he speaks so fast in that second one lmao

[fast dew]

He does why is he ranting

[strange plinth]

he drags out mocking Gral about his "little fluffy friend" but speeds through his actual explanation for what he's doing

[fast dew]

If he thinks about it too much he realises hes wrong..

[drifting lintel]

Drifter: "I. Am. Duviri. The crushing sorroe that made me want to do nothing to sink to the bottom of an abyss? To fall in my own sword, if it wouldn't have been pointless? It comes from MY head. It isn't just the product of the book Artur. It's from me. I did it to myself... All of it. Over, and over... And over... Until it just.. took it all away. Until I couldn't feel any of it anymore."

So about divirui not being the Drifter's mind...

[strange plinth]

^ picked sorrow in an earlier convo
-# /s

[strange plinth]

it isn't, it came from their mind. conceptual embodiment n all that

[lean garden]

themes and such

[drifting lintel]

"I did it to myself"

[lean garden]

@fast dew use your art skills and make a pochita cope meme with warframe characters please and thanks

[fast dew]

The what

Gonna have to send me that one chief

[fast dew]

Sick.

[drifting lintel]

There was another route to this?

[strange plinth]

yea but its just flavor based on the duviri emotions
can't remember exacts, will find it

[stiff fable]

Yeah I had envy I'm pretty sure

Honestly these are my favorite KIMversations

[drifting lintel]

I was just always being real with them

[lean garden]

I got you

[strange plinth]

yea, the convo when arthur's super drunk, n he asks what you went through, you pick one of the emotions (image 1) then that gets referenced in that convo (image 2 (also provided by bau))

[stiff fable]

kneed to know teehee

[fast dew]

Yeah this also gives like

[drifting lintel]

Ah that's cool

[fast dew]

They mean its me as in. When I say Albrecht is so me ykim

[strange plinth]

sidenote i enjoy 5 true/false checks in a row far more than EvaluateBooleans

[drifting lintel]

You can also just make them a number and switch statement

[dark compass]

Lore?

[craggy creek]

Regarding Roathe's Kim text/inferno progression, what exactly shoudl one do to get the "best" outcome

and avoid the "anathema" status

[lean garden]

roast him

[strange plinth]

avoiding anathema w/ roathe is mostly just doing the 21 descendia runs and not insulting him a ton

[dark compass]

Punch him in the face for being who he is at every opportunity

But also say "I can help you" right after

[craggy creek]

And stopping at 21?

[strange plinth]

it counts up to 21, don't have to stop but nothing else happens after

[rapid copper]

Does anyone think that Oridis's projection of Lotus is more comfortable to do daily missions than the real Lotus?

The last time i completed the Prologue Quest was 2 weeks ago, and i never touched the Sacrifice quest once

[strange plinth]

can't say i've felt that way, though i am curious about why you do

[craggy creek]

Then I or the update must've ducked something up for anathema, don't recall roasting him that much

[strange plinth]

what was your last chat with him?

[proper barn]

What why?

[proper barn]

She literally has the same lines.

[craggy creek]

How can I check? Log from previous chats and it should be the last?

[strange plinth]

yea, the most recent should be at the bottom of the menu in KIM
the little clock icon on the profile

[craggy creek]

Took a pic cuz of the steamdeck atm

On*

[rapid copper]

But the recording style makes it look cooler

[humble sierra]

Scroll up? There should be some ones starting with VM

[strange plinth]

the "Here we are, and here we shall remain." one is RoatheDay2, so you reached an ending there (fail?)
the "Enough! Enough." convo should've given you a different ending

[craggy creek]

Ye already got all 21 of em

[rapid copper]

You can hear the glitch sounds as she speaks

[proper barn]

Okay Toad. I won't spoil anything but you will get full costumization and "fashion" later for that.

I was avoiding

[craggy creek]

It did till the recent kim glitch update ducked it up

[proper barn]

Spoilers.

[strange plinth]

it looks like you got 3 of the rank 5 convos and no others

[rapid copper]

Oh i already saw a glimpse when i was checking for the guides

[proper barn]

There are

[craggy creek]

Do et, and put it in spoilers ow o

[proper barn]

Way better choices is what I will say.

[rapid copper]

Ik

I will finish the story tomorrow

[craggy creek]

Tempted to reset

[rapid copper]

I am getting bored of the recordings now

[craggy creek]

Just dislike seeing em on anathema

[humble sierra]

There's an objectively better Lotus voice though

[strange plinth]

did you get an ending regarding the family?
i'm not sure how much you'd actually be missing out on if you did

[rapid copper]

Lmao

She actually says that?

[humble sierra]

Limited time event, cost $40 for each voice pack

Because of that they unfortunately won't come back

[rapid copper]

Wait, you can buy voice packs?

[rapid copper]

Man, that would be epic to hear that

[rapid copper]

Except that one

[humble sierra]

Yeah if you ||fall for April Fool's||

[rapid copper]

Spoilers?

[strange plinth]

-# not real spoilers

[rapid copper]

https://tenor.com/view/ishowspeed-try-not-to-laugh-gif-7682731162751353849

May Ballas haunt your dreams tonight

[lofty locust]

what on christ did i just witness 😭

[dark compass]

The Vay Hek one is great

I recommend

[craggy creek]

Ye got the gud ending where butler goes and talks to em

I say butler to avoid spoilers

[dark compass]

Its lore

[pale cedar]

You get spoiled at your own risk tbh

It's a channel designed to allow spoilers

[craggy creek]

Fair

[fast dew]

Loid.......

[craggy creek]

Anything juicy regarding the event btw?

[fast dew]

Uhh

[pale cedar]

Not really

[fast dew]

Nitokh statue and. Archimedian diadem

Loid floof in

4 hours

[pale cedar]

Speaking of Nitohk statues
Because of DE adding it I had a dream last night and I counted 52 showing up somewhere

[dark compass]

The one Yonta is wearing, right?

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-yippee-cat-gif-6081453495700419424

I wanted that one for long

[radiant pier]

how do you even get them

[fast dew]

baro\

[radiant pier]

oh just baro?

[fast dew]

nhm

look at him

[pale cedar]

“In need of some hugs”
Also DE refusing to add a floof or Loid hugging animation

[narrow pendant]

drifter stealing loid from albrecht KIM option

[strange plinth]

he'd never

[fast dew]

hes grandfather

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/dont-do-not-do-not-cat-dangerous-individual-man-dancing-while-cat-threatens-your-family-gif-26522356

[strange turtle]

He’s not a void ghost he just lives in a place in the Void, Duviri

He’s the same situation as Varzia

Got Erra’d, but got intervention before he could die from the injury

There’s a Duviri fragment that talks about him landing there after getting sucked into the Void portal, and he gets healed up by Mathila

[zenith gate]

Is it bad that I feel like Nidus could have had a bit more lore?

I know us Nidusheads worldwide number in the single digits, but still

[pale cedar]

It's not bad that you want more Nidus Lore

[zenith gate]

I just feel like the infestation warframe could have more to do with the warframe creation process and the strains we see around, at the very least. But this is my personal opinion and I will otherwise keep it to myself

[pale cedar]

Tbh, all Warframes are Infested

[zenith gate]

Well yes, but Nidus actively controls his infestation, he grows

[radiant pier]

piss off

PISSSS OFFFFF

@fast dew THAT WAS STUPID

THAT FLARE CONVERSATION

[fast dew]

Hm?

2 hours till loid....

[brittle siren]

wait so the voice in Follie hunt a Archemedian?

[radiant pier]

the stupid jumpscare

okay Amir's kinda hilarious

he told Quincy something and it's a word I can't say here

[dark compass]

:(

[fast dew]

:(

[radiant pier]

what

[fast dew]

You failed Flare's chat 😭

[radiant pier]

in my defense

I was lazy

[fast dew]

😭 bro

[radiant pier]

DAWG IT AIN'T MAH FAULT

well it is

[fast dew]

It is entirely your fault 😭

[pale cedar]

“Ain't mah fault”
Proceeds to explain why it is their fault

[radiant pier]

I mean yeah it is entirely my fault

but in my very selfish and biased defense

I am lazy

[pale cedar]

I have a perfect response for that

[radiant pier]

you can't blame me for not wanting to prolong my conversation with the very hostile guitar

[dark compass]

She's not hostile if you aren't

[fast dew]

Loid in a hour

[placid warren]

Lizzie is misunderstood but needed directions since they cant understand proper emotions, complexivity and the situation Flare was in...

Man even Helminth and Infested treats better than Orokin

[brittle siren]

anyone?

[brittle siren]

Infested is toxic relationship though, it want you to become 1 with it

heck I think Helminth would gladly eat us whole

[placid warren]

Some said she were a therapist working with Margulis for treating Tenno who were in cryo state, like early days for Transference given controlling Warframe has left Operators with different emotions within controlling (Hence why frames act different as there are some shadow of their personality left)

Some said it was Nitokh's voice but it sounds old

[brittle siren]

Nah she specifically called herself as Archimedeans iirc

ah yeah here

ok this sound creepy af

[placid warren]

Infested sees us as a seperate part that wants to assimilate again to their ranks, hence why they are attacking us.

Helminth however, while it wants to merge with ourselves, they are willingly to serve us and find joy of it, whell at least they like pets.

The infection doesnt stop there as both Flare and Lizzie said that they'd turn one of the frames in future but from the good ending at least they could live with peace on their mind instead of driving Flare away from assimilation

[placid warren]

Yeah I never stated her rank but cpuld possibly worked with Margulis or in some way to be a therapist with either they are treating us or other stuff

[brittle siren]

Well Flare seem like still "sane" after become a warframe

though I wonder if that not the case, does Lizzie still exist when Flare is gone?

[brittle siren]

though her method kinda, really bad

[placid warren]

Considering Orokin Empire? Some can be total assholes and never bothered to show symphaty.

[brittle siren]

she even said put these children in cryo pod, like wow

[pale cedar]

We have no real idea tbh

It could be a throwaway line, basically her just saying compared to you, I’m this and you're that

We have no real Follie lore

[strange turtle]

She’s also referred to as an Archimedean in the files

[brittle siren]

i don't think a person who using honest to treat mental health for children all the time would "lie" like that

and like Rodney said she was called as Archimedean in the files

[pale cedar]

We don't know if she's being honest all the time tbh

[zinc sedge]

Good morning, friends! Hey, just a real quick double-check; a warframe has to be hollowed out for the infested to take control, right? That means like guts and all, or just no tenno?

[glacial bough]

No Tenno

[zinc sedge]

Aha, excellent! That'll make the writing easier xD thank you!

[pale cedar]

Tenno aren't in the frames it’s remote control from a distance

[heady quest]

I think they can just control the body. Without Tenno they are just puppets really

[fast dew]

10 minutes till Loid this is not a drill

[heady quest]

Till loid?

[zinc sedge]

Fair points, the both of you! I just was reading the dialog between Mutalist Alad V and Lotus

[heady quest]

From the second dream?

[fast dew]

Loid floof

[zinc sedge]

Nah, it's the quest for Mesa!

[fast dew]

Shaking and quaking

HES SO SMALL

[heady quest]

Ah the mesa quest

[fast dew]

Loid against the world

[heady quest]

That one was so obscure for me 😂😂

[humble sierra]

But she's so big

[zinc sedge]

TITAAAAAAAAN

[fast dew]

Loid would win idc

[zinc sedge]

XD yeah, but it gave great Infested lore!

[fast dew]

The man is scary, the only reason why we arent afraid of him is because he likes us

5 MINUTES

[strange turtle]

Ts we’ll see after Dark Refractorying back to memories on Lua

[strange turtle]

It’s part of the culmination to an entire sequence of content that’s mostly removed from the game so I don’t blame you

[fast dew]

LOID

[smoky gulch]

Loid Floof

[fast dew]

RAH

RUNNING SPRINTING RUNNING

150 DUCAT

[brittle siren]

that what she said

[brittle siren]

so if Baro sell this
Wally is the one who knit this floof?

[fast dew]

I have in my possession, 4 loid floofs

[narrow pendant]

now put them into the drifter camp skybox

[fast dew]

Ill put one there, the rest in the Albrecht shrine

[brittle siren]

So does Wally made Loid floof and give to Baro, or he just steal from Albrecht inventory?

[narrow pendant]

i have an ordis floof in my helminth mouth, its what he deserves for all the badmouthing

[fast dew]

Time to go get a credit blessing and do a profit taker run and get the last amount i need

[brittle siren]

wait you dont have enough credit?

[fast dew]

My headcanon is that loid made it, set it down somewhere, it floated adrift and baro found it

[fast dew]

Barely, I needed. 750,000 and I spent half my day upgrading mods

[radiant pier]

a what run

[fast dew]

Good credit farm basically

5 minute run got me. 300k

[wicked cove]

Is there lore or at least some explanation about Neptune having a surface and an ice mine? cus thats a gas planet and they dont have solid surfaces unless its all taking place in the core

[fast dew]

Collection done

WHU WALLY

[pale cedar]

Orokin tech

[wicked cove]

https://tenor.com/view/meme-gif-8470516175995282617

[narrow pendant]

orokin were able to create a habitable zone on the surface of venus, so they probably were able to terraform neptune to have some sort of a surface with materials they gathered from asteroids or something idk

[fast dew]

The autism is unmatched

Can you find all 4 loid floofs

[narrow pendant]

yes

i wonder how it would look if you manage to skale and put the cap over his portrait lmao

[strange turtle]

Gara after meeting the Unum in person for the first time and seeing the Giant Lesbian Tower
-# TM

[narrow pendant]

thanks baro, that shipped quickly!

[fast dew]

WOAH

Waiting for my loid floof

[woven coyote]

As the others said orokin tech

Also uranus was turned into an ocean planet so...

[wicked cove]

figures

i dont think Neptune and a load of other plants gets as much attention from lore perspectives from DE, like it even looks copied and pasted from Venus or other ice planet map tiles, at least Uranus has way more involvement with the Stalker, Tyl Regor and Hunhow

[strange turtle]

Actually Uranus has been considered as having an ocean for a while

For a while there’s been this idea of it and Neptune having this like “sea” layer of a bunch of stuff beneath a completely gaseous zone, and then thats got out and people have taken it as literally just being an ocean like Earth’s

[narrow pendant]

uranus and neptune also have pretty much the same color just even blander than the the ones we know, which were some of their earliest scans

[strange turtle]

And now theres even a recent study proposing that there’s a surface layer to that that is more close to that

[smoky gulch]

On wiki: Pre-dating Fragments, Kuria are small cat-like objects hidden throughout the Star Chart. - so Orokitties are older than Ordis backstory?

[pale cedar]

Maybe

[woven coyote]

Think that's why they are in objects seection

[prime sandal]

One thing i don't understand about Voruna is that their are 5 wolfs but only 4 passives

[tall echo]

the 5th is herself

[prime sandal]

What i mean is each of the wolf has a passive ability we can toggle into except Voruna she technically does not have a passive ability she just uses other wolfs passive

[tall echo]

that is her passive, having the other wolves

the abilities are also each related to one of the wolves

[prime sandal]

But tell me this she was the alpha of her pack so before the kuva bath she would have a passive other than this one right

[tall echo]

maybe

[prime sandal]

I know right well i am a Voruna main so one tends to think about their fav frame

[stiff fable]

Her passive would have been having the wolves, no?

Like Khora

[prime sandal]

No before the kuva bath they were companions i would guess they were from the same helminth strain

Then the 4 wolfs died in battle

And then Voruna had the kuva bath

[stiff fable]

That's exactly it

Khora's passive is "having Venari"

Voruna's passive would have been "I have four wolves that are not inside me"

[fast dew]

[misty helm]

Kinda curious how Venari is apparently quite intelligent by herself. Like, if she was made in the same way Voruna's wolves —or at least, assuming all of those "companion" assets to Warframes, are all made based on a single helmith strain that has different subjects involved but all of them are "connected"... In a way it could be said that Venari, contrary to Khora herself, retained her intelectual capabilities despite the process of "Warframeziation"

[stiff fable]

Venari is such an odd case because.... well, she's attached to the wrong Warframe

To wit: Khora was the original "spider frame" and her thing was supposed to be "having access to all elements"

Her weapons still have this trait, Dual Keres has perfectly balanced physical elements, Hystrix has the tap to rotate element trick

[dark compass]

It's a lie

[stiff fable]

But DE couldn't figure out how to make her abilities actually fun

[dark compass]

Hystrix is an elemental fraud

[stiff fable]

Yes but that's a separate issue

So they took Venari off of a planned hunting themed frame and gave it to Khora

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/rrane-battal-rrane-battal-kızgın-battal-kızgın-gif-25355985

[stiff fable]

Also kavats are supposed to be immune to the infestation

[fast dew]

I mean. Immune or just able to digest it? Because. You probably can digest things but not be immune to them

[stiff fable]

Which is the actual point I wanted to make but the Khora story is a good explanation about how the Warframe dev pipeline works

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn resistance and not full immunity

[misty helm]

Yeah, so either the process of helmith'ing a Kavat is different, or at least yields curious results... Or Venari is special, assuming there was only one Khora/Venari ever

[prime sandal]

No no the 4 wolfs were not wolfs but warframes with the same helminth strain as Voruna

And the Voruna we now have is the final form after the kuva bath incident

[tall echo]

noyrz, not like that

[tall echo]

the wolves were actual wolves

[prime sandal]

The Voruna lore says that they were her companions

[tall echo]

...yes?

like kubrows.

[prime sandal]

Companions as in from the same helminth strain warframes

[tall echo]

you're superjumping to conclusions

[glacial bough]

Source on that? Because Khora was always had Venari, they were announced together

[prime sandal]

A man can only dream my friend

[misty helm]

Yeah, but that would mean the Wolves can be accessed by transference by an operator; unless those use the 'old' system of "alpha" Warframes (like protoframes) in which they aren't equipped with the tech to make transference viable (remember we can even pilot the Golden Maw, which aren't necessarily Warframes)

[tall echo]

tech isn't necessary for operator transference

[left parrot]

How fast is Gauss Lore wise? Is there a scale on how fast Gauss was in the lore? Or where ever

[tall echo]

faster than exploding land mines

[prime sandal]

My point exactly that they were not just wolfs but warframes

[misty helm]

So either Voruna's OG operator had a link to the wolves; either by their consciousness "splitting" into the wolves... or each wolf had their own will, only linked to Voruna's somehow.

[tall echo]

brother we literally have depictions of them, they were animals

[left parrot]

Oh.... That's fast in a way that it's... Fast

Quite underwhelmed XDDD

[misty helm]

Is either that, or each wolf was individually piloted by a different Tenno... Which would be strange

[prime sandal]

We do?

[tall echo]

in the leverian!

[prime sandal]

I shall see it tomorrow and continue the argument

[tall echo]

or just look it up. yknow. on the internets

[prime sandal]

But from what i remember the were not animals but friends

[left parrot]

I just want to know about Gauss to learn more about his speed.... But I got underwhelmed hahahaha

[tall echo]

orokinarchives

[left parrot]

What was the argument here?

[tall echo]

well, outrunning something that's nearly instant is still pretty fast

[prime sandal]

Why Voruna has only 4 passives when their are 5 wolfs

[stiff fable]

They were animals

Because Voruna's passive is having the wolves

[misty helm]

Are Voruna's wolves product of the Helmith, or just regular Orokin-steroid-filled wolves? If the first is true... then how were they made? Were they considered "Warframes" or a sort of extension of the main Warframe (Voruna)?

[dark compass]

Wasn't it covered in her leverian? Something about Kuva

[misty helm]

Then it spiraled from there, I guess

[prime sandal]

And i believe that they were not animals but friends who died which forced Voruna to kuva bath

[glacial bough]

She only has 4 wolves, not 5

[left parrot]

Thata true too hahahah

But correct me if I'm wrong... He does Kinetic Energy Manipulation right?

[stiff fable]

But they were animals

[glacial bough]

Gauss can manipulate KE, yes

[left parrot]

Ohhhhh

All I know is Voruna was my Wolf Mommy before I saw my Fate Princess

[stiff fable]

They were actual animals, like Venari

[dark compass]

Gauss just has some sort of generator up his ass that does all the hard work

[prime sandal]

Exactly my question what i believe is that they were all part of same helminth strain

[left parrot]

Thanks

[dark compass]

A battery, not a generator

[tall echo]

gauss got that asphalt and battery

[prime sandal]

That does make a good point

Well this clears up some of the things

[left parrot]

Oooo

[prime sandal]

But i would still love a passive for Voruna as her own u know what I mean

[dark compass]

A kinetic battery or something

[misty helm]

I could see them being a form of helmith-strain infested-wolves whose infested nature defaults to Voruna, as a sort of queenly figure in a hive mind hierarchy; they answering to her and only her. Understood as she being the "Alpha" for practical purposes, and 'the Queen' for an infested mind behaviour.

[tall echo]

her passive is having the wolves

[prime sandal]

As a Voruna main I always ask for more my friend

[left parrot]

Wait lastly... I cannot sleep bc of this one question

Why was the Man are in the walls?

Is there smth happened to him? Like how did he...like...

How do everyone know that he was there or he existed

The man behind the walls

[fast dew]

:)

[left parrot]

Oh don't you give me that answer XDDD

[tall echo]

as a grendel/baruuk main I'm very much satisfied with my frames

[fast dew]

He is. In the wall. Not a normal wall

[dark compass]

[tall echo]

what

[fast dew]

"The wall" isnt a... proper wall

[left parrot]

Well yes I know that he is like outside the reality, in the void perhaps

But.... Why was he there?

[prime sandal]

Good for u my man

[tall echo]

albrecht

[left parrot]

Outside the walls of reality of some sort

[fast dew]

The wall refers to the wall of bone, or maybe the wall of lohk (void)

[left parrot]

Hmmm.... Elaborate

[tall echo]

wall of lohk

[fast dew]

When we first discovered wally, or when he first came to be, he got. Trapped in that wall.

By his fingers being severed!

[peak ether]

It never existed to begin with, it only became a being when albrecht entered the void and his fears became real through conceptual embodiment

[tall echo]

albrecht went into the void, got scared bc his diving bell broke, conceptually embodied wally

[dark compass]

Albrecht stared into the abyss until the abyss stared back. He got scared shitless ran away, slamming the door and jamming the abyss' fingers, making it very upset.

[misty helm]

Well, as far as we know Rell was the first one to refer to the thing as the "Man in the Wall"; Albretch just referred to him as "the other".

[left parrot]

OK that one thing confirmed my theory that the man in the walls are "Outside the walls"

[fast dew]

No, he also referred to him as. "That man, trapped in the wall"

[left parrot]

OHHH!!!!!

IS THAT THE REASON WHY HE IS THE "MAN IN THE WALL"?????

[left parrot]

0HHHHHH

That's why he is "in the wall"

He got trapped!

[fast dew]

"I never spoke of him, that man, trapped in the wall." Is the full quote i believe

[peak ether]

I don’t this he’s trapped literally

[left parrot]

A being usually outside this universe of some sort, got trapped or got caught to something I believe by Albrecht! (correct me if I'm wrong but that's what I hear rn)

[dark compass]

Fingers got cut off, at least

[left parrot]

Wait wait what about that fingers cut off

[fast dew]

He is. Trapped in the void, trapped by. The chains of cause and effect

[fast dew]

Ever wondered how railjacks work

[left parrot]

Oh so the void is the "Wall"?

Ans no I never really wondered but now I'm curious

[fast dew]

"The wall of Lohk" is specifically the. Membrane between the void and reality iirc

[peak ether]

The fingers allow travel through the void because we’re using a part of Wally

[woven coyote]

The reliquary in reliquary drive is very literal

[peak ether]

The RJ and Zariman have duplicated fingers

[left parrot]

Ugh... Damn

That's nasty hahahaha but it does make a bit more sense

Wait is that the reason the Cephalon always told me in the engine room about this qoute:

It's not complete or exact but-

"Imagine a Color that doesn't exist, that's where we are"

[fast dew]

Something touches me.
Impossible.

[left parrot]

Ye ye that one too!

[fast dew]

Hey actually are you aware of Olo?

[woven coyote]

You behold an absence

[peak ether]

Yeah the void, it’s exactly that nothing but somehow it’s something

[left parrot]

Yeah

The only color can be seen through a lazer

The 010 color

[fast dew]

Its a HUGE coincidence, but the colour isnt a colour that normally exists, but. The closest we got to it is almost identical to the colour of the void

[woven coyote]

Cy's lines are why i think lotus' answer at the end of new war was literal

Both cy and lotus have synthetic senses and both have technically described wally as "nothing"

[left parrot]

Oooo sounds like some concept in the previous planned stories I made hahaha

[fast dew]

Lyon describes the fragmented one as. A longing for emptiness

[left parrot]

Ohhh... OHHH now that I recalled it does look the same! Or almost

OK at least most of my questions are answered now

It all peace up together

[peak ether]

Also one of the reasons Wally is so pissy is because the orokin stole a part of him and used it however they like whereas the Tenno kind of asked for consent via the deal

[left parrot]

I can finally rest in peace

[left parrot]

Noted for lore

[tall echo]

old peace

[fast dew]

Note it was the orokin as a whole, not just Albrecht

[left parrot]

Another note

A8ght I really need to sleep, it's 2 am

[peak ether]

Yeah, albrecht just accidentally took it then the orokin abused it

[left parrot]

Cya!

[fast dew]

Go sleep, ill persist at. Nearly 5am

[fast dew]

Albrecht made the tech presumably for the zariman. And. Then the orokin took that and abused it

[peak ether]

It’s weird to think about because it feels like we’re so close to ending the Wally arc, but I wonder if there will be a bigger antagonist after we end things with Wally

[fast dew]

Im guessing its gonna be parvos

Hes been slowly building up again

[peak ether]

we’ve probably got a few more years until the penultimate “battle” with Wally

[glacial bough]

Albrecht was just trying to prove his research. He immediately screwed off after his trip

[fast dew]

"Screwed off" and hes in a bath with half his skin torn off/j

Eyes? Gone. Throat? Obliterated. Skin? Blasted.

[glacial bough]

Both things are true, yes. He was wounded and also choose to screw off for some length of time

[fast dew]

The void. Has a thing for eyes

[peak ether]

I wouldn’t say screwed off, he just ignored everything else and put all his focus on the indifference

[fast dew]

Albrecht and teshin both having void specific scarring around their eyes, maybe if you count Margulis

The eye of entrati, the lidless eye

[peak ether]

just a thought, a few days ago someone mentioned that how did they know drifter was the chosen and could do things like time loops, isn’t plausible he was aware of the looping ability because he spent time in duviri?

[glacial bough]

He very specifically ran away before that. He was planning to hide forever until he ended up in Duviri

[fast dew]

The countless blue eyes you can find in the labs

[fast dew]

Whuh? Where did you hear that?

We think he cut the family off as he went to duviri, something something failed suicide attempt

[tall echo]

the answer is that
albrecht didn't know

[fast dew]

I mean

[glacial bough]

Albrecht was definiely aware Drifter could maintain a time loop

[fast dew]

He probably did know, its. Pretty. Weird for him to know how to make the loop work in 1999 and not be aware of drifter's hand in it

[tall echo]

how would albrecht know that the drifter would escape or try to chase him down though

[fast dew]

I mean

We have the cosmic clock, which tracks moments throughout spacetime

[tall echo]

you say that a lot

[peak ether]

I can’t explain it well, but my thought process is essentially, drifter creates duviri through conceptual embodiment because of Eularia’s book. Duviri has loops, Albrecht spends time in duviri he should know about the loops and link it to drifter considering they created Duviri no?

[tall echo]

it's funny to see things people say a lot without noticing

[fast dew]

They honestly might be responsible for. The operator report maybe

Weird machines

[tall echo]

-# whenever I notice I repeat something a lot I try to avoid it which makes me sound odd ._.

[glacial bough]

Same way he knows Drifter is alternate Operator. Albrecht has eyes and ears everywhere tracking a lot. All he has to do is wait

[fast dew]

Mildly annoyed that the family got new lines but loid didnt

[peak ether]

I hate how vague the language is on who wrote it

[fast dew]

The entrati stuff in the dojo just has random shit sometimes

[pale cedar]

Loid got a new cutscene instead

So it makes sense why he didn't get new lines

[dark compass]

Maybe it's an actor schedule issue

[pale cedar]

They could've gave him KIM lines

Saves needing voice actor

[dark compass]

They definitely have budget for voice acting

I am 100% sure it's just a scheduling issue

[pale cedar]

Ordis also can't really interact with Lotus because ones standing on Wally

One is an Orbiter

[dark compass]

Wrong channel for that discussion

[smoky gulch]

Lotus giving a caring kiss on Orbiter to thank Ordis for keeping Operator safe since 2nd Dream

[pale cedar]

Lotus ignoring Ordis entirely because she only cares about the child

[smoky gulch]

Honestly it's kinda funny how these two are always around Operator, but I don't recall them ever interacting indeed

[peak ether]

Lotus seeing Ordis “orokin slave”

[peak ether]

They do in some quests but it’s just a few lines iirc

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, Ordis going "oh no, let's carry on" after Sacrifice

[pale cedar]

They're the characters with the most lines but the least interactions with each other

[misty helm]

The real crime here is not ever doing anything with Umbra after the Sacrifice, beyond jokingly mentioning him during the Jade quest

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, Warframe has way too many one-off characters

[peak ether]

I thought umbra would be more integral to the story, to this day he’s become my quest frame

[misty helm]

Like the completely wasted chance of having Umbra as our active warframe during the Old Peace, so when we had to defend the refractory from the murmur, we had Umbra as a direct poetic counterpart to Excalibur Prime

[pale cedar]

Players fault

[pale cedar]

We didn't have Umbra in Old Peace era though we got him in modern day

[tall echo]

umbra/excal is too fragile for me to want to play him more

[misty helm]

We jump to the current era to defend the refractory

[tall echo]

noyrz meant active during the present segments

[pale cedar]

Forcing Umbra on people would annoy them

[misty helm]

They forced Excalibur Prime on us during the entire quest

[peak ether]

It makes sense from a narrative standpoint

can’t exactly bring Saryn prime when she canonically doesn’t even exist at that point in the old peace

[misty helm]

It would make sense from a narrative standpoint to have Umbra as the de-facto frame to defend the refractory while the Operator is bussy with the whole memory thing

[pale cedar]

There's nothing justifying us using Umbra specifically when it was under attack

[misty helm]

Its main narrative characteristic is the fact that it's the only warframe we know, that can act by itself

[pale cedar]

No

All can

Our frame showed that before Umbra was ever added

[peak ether]

Second dream against the stalker right?

[misty helm]

Umbra is the only warframe that actively acts by himself, while none of the others do the same.

[pale cedar]

Yeah

Stalker
Jade

Give any frame enough motivation they will act on their own

[peak ether]

Jade has such a bittersweet story

[misty helm]

The moment I get a cinematic with my Ash jumping off the orbiter to massacre an entire Grineer galleon by himself, I will take that point as something more than a narrative casuality

[tall echo]

what about your frame literally breaking war in half on their own

[pale cedar]

Operator wasn't able to use their powers at the present moment before you suggest that

[misty helm]

Happened once and not ever mentioned again; the fact Umbra being the way he is, playing a main plot point in the Sacrifice adventure... already should point at the factor of uniqueness Umbra has inside the narrative

[pale cedar]

Plus the dialogue from Hunhow just before it happened

[tall echo]

happened once because it requires serious motivation for a frame to act

[pale cedar]

Umbra is only sentient because of motivation

[tall echo]

umbra has constant motivation, vergil would be proud

[smoky gulch]

Warframes like undead from dork sols: won't die until their mental strength exists

[misty helm]

We have the entire adventure, in which we get him, to shed a lot of more context into his nature than just "motivation"

[pale cedar]

"No self, no sense, no death. Just a metal puppet, dangling on Tenno strings. Only the Tenno's death will end your despair”

Frame proceeds to prove Hunhow wrong

[smoky gulch]

Not even total dismembering stopped Umbra from agony

[tall echo]

he is only acting on his own because of his burning memory

[pale cedar]

Umbra was hard coded with a burning memory that gave him motivation once we rebuilt him that memory came back

[misty helm]

Exactly; his very own design is unique

[pale cedar]

Every Warframe is unique

[tall echo]

you're focusing on the wrong thing

[misty helm]

Which, in Ballas ironic words; it's a miracle.

The fact he not only attacked the operator in the orbiter, but also got himself out of it to go on a rampage on a bunch of grineer and corpus... with the whole shenanigan repeating itself at least 3 times... That alone should single him as a pretty unique case; Protoframes aside.

[peak ether]

Save from Xaku, Revenant, Protea and, Qorvex (I may be missing some) they’re all his design

[restive river]

Stalker
Jade
Kullervo
Every frame that was gen 1

Umbra is not unique because he has a level of autonomy, he’s unique because of his story and how he has retained said autonomy
Ballas made him remember the worst moment of his life on loop
Meanwhile a frame like Stalker just hates the Tenno that much

[woven coyote]

Dante liked books too much

[restive river]

Xaku and Revenant are funny cause
Technically they were made by Ballas
But three of them broke then the void did a funny
And in the other case they died and iirc Eidolon energies changed him lol

[pale cedar]

Don't think Rev died just took a bath in energy and came out as energy

[peak ether]

Was it ever mentioned why he still tries to take us down outside of just gameplay, my headcanon is it’s not cheap raising a baby.

[tall echo]

eidolon yoinked revenant and turned him in whatever alternate plane they disappear to

is it ever explained where eidolons go when downed/during the day, actually?

[pale cedar]

Nah

[restive river]

Just because we helped him doesn’t mean he doesn’t still hate us

[peak ether]

Forgot calliban but similarly to your point he took a dead warframe and combined it with sentients

[restive river]

Caliban was made by Erra, not Ballas

[tall echo]

nah caliban wasn't made by ballas

[normal mountain]

Dante

[restive river]

We also don’t know how they were made

[normal mountain]

Dagath

[peak ether]

Yeah so not his design

[pale cedar]

Stalker never actually mentions that he forgave us

He literally had no other choice

[tall echo]

the point was that xaku and revenant were ballas frames that got changed by external factors

[normal mountain]

Also possibly Oraxia, but we don't know enough about her situation

[restive river]

I just covered the sapient frames we have access to, Dante passed in the labs before our time and we don’t know where the og Dagath went

[tall echo]

I still think oraxia was made by albrecht but they gave us zero lore on her

[restive river]

Is Oraxia sapient tho

[tall echo]

seems like it

[normal mountain]

I was referring to her sapience, but that too

[restive river]

She understood commands from Wally cosplaying as Albrecht so I’d say she is

[normal mountain]

Either that, or Albrecht (for some reason) had a dedicated Tenno bodyguard

[restive river]

I think her creator could go either way, it’s too early in the timeline for Albrecht to be mucking about with Helminth so she could have been a commission just as easily

[peak ether]

Source? Because I completely skipped that part about her

[restive river]

Or Oraxia does not have a Tenno

[misty helm]

"Umbra is not unique because he has a level of autonomy, he’s unique because of his story and how he has retained said autonomy"
True

Coming back to the initial point, however; Neither of the ones you mentioned have retained their alleged autonomy after we crafted them. Umbra is still the best option beyond a Protoframe or Stalker himself, to be put into the Old Peace quest section in which the Operator has to fight the Murmur that are invading the Dark Refractory

[normal mountain]

Like I said
We don't know enough about her situation

[peak ether]

I just farmed her and wasn’t really paying attention to the voicelines during the event

[restive river]

It’s why she’s attacking us, I can try to find the exact line but in Isleweaver Wally mentions he spoke to her

[restive river]

Umbra retains his sapience due to the bolt he has, he isn’t being subdued and that’s built into his design specifically

Also the best option for the Old Peace quest is literally any frame you decide, it’s Warframe lol

[peak ether]

Just because of the story, he’s what I use exclusively for new quests

[restive river]

Umbra’s goated but not cause he’s the best
But because of his story and his design

[peak ether]

Plus I love his alt helm and seeing a part of the human inside

[restive river]

Same

Vestigial face

[peak ether]

I still remember getting so hyped and confused after building him the first time

[normal mountain]

I use whatever frame I feel like
Lately it's been Caliban

[peak ether]

That’s fair, my gameplay loop just goes from, Rework a build, use it till I get bored, rinse and repeat

[normal mountain]

But I feel like I need to remaster K-Drive controls, so I can better use Yareli in missions
Now that I'm playing on Mobile

[peak ether]

Funny thing, I’ve never used the thing that made her standout. just stuck loyal guardian on and play her like any other frame

[misty helm]

You're missing the point.

Any frame we craft is basically a puppet, but when we crafted Umbra from the destroyed bits we found, the "copy" we made retained the sentience... because, as your statement implies: it's by Balla's design. Which proves my point on his uniqueness compared to other Warframes.

Having Umbra, the main sentient Warframe we know of that it's also our active ally (because he basically lives in our Orbiter), which was also directly tied to the whole main story through Ballas... now playing an hypothetical main role in a main quest, by doing the exact same thing he's know to do (be an autonomous Warframe that is basically a powerhouse)... Just makes a lot more sense from a narrative standpoint, than us just popping whatever generic Warframe we have in our arsenal...

It's a wasted opportunity overall.

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/weak-sauce-gif-8996538

[peak ether]

https://tenor.com/view/captain-america-yeah-i-know-get-up-gif-20904784

[strange turtle]

I can’t believe Ballas would torture him by putting that song on loop in his head

Actually yeah I can

[pale cedar]

You're missing this point

"No self, no sense, no death. Just a metal puppet, dangling on Tenno strings. Only the Tenno's death will end your despair."

Proceeds to get proven wrong by our crafted frame

[peak ether]

Baby shark ad infinitum

[dark compass]

he was tortured by my attempts at virtuoso shawzins in Duviri

[misty helm]

Yet it never happened again once.

Curious.

[pale cedar]

Because we were controlling it every other time

[restive river]

Yeah what

[misty helm]

And yet only Umbra is ever mentioned as acting by himself, of all our entire arsenal.

[restive river]

The frames all should be capable of autonomy, we see that in the second dream
The problem of they’re all being subdued by design

[loud oriole]

-# -Only You by The Platters starts playing-

[restive river]

I mean
Stalker

[pale cedar]

And yet Umbra still isn't the only frame out there to act on their own

[misty helm]

Stalker is in our arsenal, though? We didn't quite crafted him

[restive river]

I’d argue frames like Stalker and Jade are more unique since they don’t need a special bolt

[misty helm]

Of everything that came out of that foundry on our orbiter, Umbra is the only thing that has retained a clear sentience

[restive river]

He’s not in our arsenal but he is an occasional ally

[pale cedar]

Stalker and Jade are proof it is about motivation

[restive river]

I’d say it’s more high emotions, see Kullervo

So emotional Duviri compensated an island

[pale cedar]

High emotions can lead into a form of motivation to do something

[misty helm]

That is not the point; of our entire arsenal... Umbra is the thing that made the most sense from a narrative standpoint, to have had a role in that fragment of Old Peace adventure...

[pale cedar]

No he isnt

[misty helm]

Yes, for all that was said before.

[pale cedar]

Nothing about it screams
You need Umbra

[restive river]

Yeah no that scene doesn’t change if you have Umbra lol

It literally does not matter who you use narratively

This ain’t even about him

[normal mountain]

I used Oberon
Nothing was significantly altered by my choice of frame

Although it did make it hilariously easy to kill the Murmur

[pale cedar]

I know you hold Umbra in high regard, but we don't need Umbra to cut a few Murmur units down

[loud oriole]

my valkyr made very very quick work of the murmur during that segment

[misty helm]

No? Really? Like, the fact he's literally a direct tie to the main story? Or how he's clearly the only Warframe in our arsenal, known and mentioned to act without the operator? And how that could've played perfectly to the fact we needed someone to defend the Dark Refractory, while the Operator dwelled in the Old Peace memories? Umbra being the literal embodiment of a Warframe WE OWN that can also act without the Operator... All while being the literal counterpart of Excalibru Prime, while Umbra -by its own name- represents a darker theme

[restive river]

Maybe hot take
Umbra’s story was told, narratively he’s a cool character and he’s still important to us but he had his story told
If there was going to be a quest where he was narratively valuable again then we already missed that opportunity
Which again, his story is over.

[ocean geyser]

The only points he should have had a narrative presence was New War and Jade Shadows
And he didn’t, both times

[restive river]

Jade acted without her Operator, she basically put them to sleep
Also ngl if any frame was perfect for that scene it’d be the one Albrecht made for the Chosen Operator, Qorvex has actual narrative relevance here

[pale cedar]

Yeah, players asking for him to show up again are often missing the point of what you want him back for your frame did first

[peak ether]

Very cat coded sees weird thing swat it till it’s gone

[loud oriole]

in my headcanon my operator was severely pissed off at the ||betrayal|| and used the incoming murmur as a venting method

[misty helm]

It's sad, really. Hi nature could play a lot of interesting little details if he had gotten something, anything, beyond the Sacrifice

[restive river]

He got an entire quest to himself and his whole story was told and finished
Let the man rest

[pale cedar]

Umbra not showing up again is partly DE’s and partly the players' fault

[misty helm]

Jade is dead. The only Jade that was ever sentient, was the original; I would wholeheartedly take that point, if when we crafter Jade, we got a Warframe that shows the exact same sentience and the plot recognized that... even if it was just Ordis mentioning it, as a side detail.

But in truth, it doesn't happen. And so far, Umbra is the only thing that has that exact same thing.

[normal mountain]

I blame the players entirely
As do I blame them for getting the Somatic Upgrade pulled out of development

[restive river]

Stalker
Dante
Kullervo
Dagath
All of these frames have had autonomy seperate from the Tenno

[misty helm]

Again, it's just a wasted opporunity to use something we got in a past adventure quest, which was also part of the main story... which also gave us something that was clearly useful for the plot in the future...

[pale cedar]

Our frame

[ocean geyser]

The point is that Umbra’s the only one we own that can do this now
All the other frames with their own agency are either dead or are trying to kill us

[restive river]

But it’s not clearly useful?

If it was it’d be in the quest lol

[loud oriole]

-# dont forget the babyframe born from jades energy, though thats a whole seperate can of worms that DE should not seal up

[misty helm]

Yet, beyond Stalker, none of those exist anymore nor show any more signs of sentience when we use them; nothing in the plot even recognizes a nudge of that happening. Umbra is still being the only Warframe we own, that acts by himself.

[pale cedar]

They don't have a reason to show it again

[restive river]

Tbh part of why that is is probably two things

1. It’s less unique for Umbra as a specific frame if other frames can be sapient, though this was a feature they considered for all frames
2. The sapience mechanic is narratively very cool but gameplay-wise it a very poorly received mechanic so ofc they won’t do that again

[restive river]

Kullervo still exists
He’s out there
Somewhere

[misty helm]

The point is that, they had... With that small section of the Old Peace quest... They had the chance to make Umbra's role useful for the plot again.

[restive river]

We unfortunately don’t even know what the baby classifies as yet 😔

[normal mountain]

We could have had that tho
After the Sacrifice, there were plans to have an upgrade to let any frame have Umbra-style sentience
But it got canned due to how Umbra was received

[restive river]

Counter argument, he doesn’t need to be useful, his story was told and ended
Not every character needs to come back

[normal mountain]

The lore is there
It just didn't happen because players whined about losing their precious buffs

[restive river]

The issue is more so that the AI was bad
Among other issues iirc

[misty helm]

Yeah, I guess.

It's a shame, though. A wasted oportunity. That's all I'm saying.

[ocean geyser]

I thought they fixed the buffs issue

Or did they leave it??

[normal mountain]

Warrior's Rest is the only "fix" I know of

[restive river]

Feels like it might be one of those things they tried to fix but it bit back

[peak ether]

Lobotomy augment my beloved

[ocean geyser]

Like the 95% drop rate on the pherliac pods blueprint?

[pale cedar]

Even if they did fix it

It's what happened at the time rather than in the future

[ocean geyser]

This is still the funniest bug lmao

It’s supposed to be 5%

[normal mountain]

I swear, if I could remove that thing from the game by buying 100 copies and smelting them down for credits, I would

Hmm
I'm getting a bit too heated about this

[peak ether]

Because it’s a bandaid fix to the problem? Yeah I agree

[restive river]

Again, I think it’s this
Hence the band aid

[normal mountain]

Maybe
But it would be nice to know if that's the case
Rather than seemingly not doing anything about it

[restive river]

From what I recall of the history of it
They showcased the somatic fibers being used to make the passive for other frames
It was neat but poorly received due to the issues with the passive
And likely due to not being able to entirely fix it, cause spaghetti code, we just got an off switch instead

[normal mountain]

Honestly?
I'd rather have the on-switch for everyone than an off-switch for Umbra
I get I'm almost entirely alone in this
But I also think relying on buffs like that is dumb

Besides, if it was that big a problem to people, they could just
Not use it for themselves

[restive river]

I think you’d disagree considering how DE had implemented it

[normal mountain]

Oh?
Enlighten me, please

[restive river]

Installing the somatic fiber would, iirc disable the frame’s actual passive for the sapience one and while in sapient mode they would only use their weapons. No abilities.
This was done for balance across the board and if it wasn’t done it honestly could bug out the already buggy AI more

Like yes your frame would fight with you, technically
But that’s it
No abilities
No buffs
Basically a worse specter

[stiff fable]

Late but yes, they looked into fixing it but it would just about require a rewrite of the entire game engine

[normal mountain]

...seems the idea was just poorly done then
My apologies

[restive river]

I love when my memory doesn’t fail me

[restive river]

You’re fine!
It’d be a cool passive to have, I was hyped when they showed it off but it unfortunately doesn’t really work

[tall echo]

:(

[ocean geyser]

The scrap has been awakened

[restive river]

Maybe one day they’ll explore it again when they find a programmer brave enough to take another look

[restive river]

What in the deep void did I do ):

[tall echo]

I'm constantly alt tabbing between here and my game lol

[tall echo]

obviously you were making fun of my terrible memory >:(

[restive river]

I wasn’t ):

We gotta download more memory for you tho

[normal mountain]

We apologize, Suda
We meant nothing by it

[normal mountain]

We need to get him Pazuul's Archon Shard
Give him more RAM

[strange turtle]

Wow

Just because they’re a Cephalon doesn’t make it ok to deadname them

It’s Scrap now

[tall echo]

I'm
not even the same cephalon
does that qualify as fantasy-racism?

[strange turtle]

Are you sure you just don’t remember

[tall echo]

I'm allied with suda but I specialize in a different research field

[jolly root]

🤣 🤣 🤣

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[strange turtle]

pretty shure

https://tenor.com/view/silly-mlem-tongue-limbus-company-limbus-gif-4694342662876811811

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/are-you-sure-footed-sure-footed-warframe-sure-footed-gif-2976538678452841170

[celest needle]

Why do some warframes get biological hats 😭

[restive river]

How far are you into the story?

[tall echo]

backroom arsenal

[tall echo]

only limbo does

for the others it's just part of the head :)

[celest needle]

Everything

All the main quests and KIM

[restive river]

Frames are designed but any clothes the individual was wearing become part of them

Many frames have biological clothing

[ocean geyser]

So Limbo had a cool ass hat on fr

[restive river]

Yup

He also mathed too hard