lore-discussion

[opaque kestrel]

ivara mb yeah

[strange turtle]

Her Leverian is about how she earned her Priming

[restive river]

For many frames we don’t know if they started as a prime or earned it

[narrow pendant]

umbra came out after so its pretty much implied its retconned into becoming the umbra we know now

[restive river]

Then you have weird cases like Revenant’s Prime LOL

[tall echo]

(possibly)

[opaque kestrel]

technically using the excuse of infinite timelines it does

[peak ether]

Excalibur should be 100% prime first then base

[strange plinth]

rev's prime came first
however, shenanigans

[restive river]

[opaque kestrel]

"i am not your father" - ballas

[peak ether]

Still my favourite prime trailer, it’s just him going wtf are you, how do you even exist

[cedar cedar]

So, if the base frames are the “mass produced” versions and the primes are the original more powerful ones, what are the deluxe skins?

There’s gotta be SOME lore behind them

[strange plinth]

debatably canon depending on what they are

[jolly root]

Who nidus?

[tall echo]

skins are only canon on a case by case basis

[peak ether]

Once again Primes aren’t the original all the time

[peak ether]

Nah rev

He started off as a completely different unknown frame and became revenant

[strange plinth]

valkyr gersemi is valkyr before she got skinned, as an example
yareli pandea is mentioned in Reaper's Lament as a yareli that hunhow transformed, as another

[cedar cedar]

I mean yeah there’s lavos, but who else?

[opaque kestrel]

ivara

[peak ether]

Then there’s beef between sevagoth deluxe and hydroid deluxe

[peak ether]

Revenant, Kullervo when he gets a prime released

Jade when she gets a prime

[strange plinth]

uriel
roathe seems to imply that whoever became uriel prime did so after the regular uriels
or at least the same time

[tall echo]

"some were primes from the start, others earned it"
we don't know many specific ones but like
duh

[opaque kestrel]

i think valkyr is also one because her prime release was people saying it dont make sense with her lore

[peak ether]

is the Lyon connected with every Harrow just him being the exception or is that universal?

[tall echo]

notably valkyr's prime trailer never mentions her by name

[peak ether]

Yeah because base prime has bonds on her

[strange plinth]

Marie also mentions being able to "feel" the original Wisp

i think the degree of connection Lyon has is unique, but the connection itself is not

[peak ether]

So there’s a possibility that roathe is connected to the original Uriel or maybe Uriel Prime depending on how deep the connection goes

[opaque kestrel]

imo kullevro prime could be like a kullevro that wasnt degraded over time by the void and consumed by his guilt?

[narrow pendant]

lyon was connected with rell, rells harrow who is implied the first/original, all from him taking the serum intil he came to our time, in that time they shared memories and had each other spectating each others memories

[strange plinth]

we do not know if prime degradation is an actual thing

[peak ether]

Maybe? But Kullervo’s lore suggests that he existed before the anyone even knew the tenno existed

[narrow pendant]

a good contender for that theory is sevagoth though

[peak ether]

plus what grey said

[strange turtle]

When’s it implied that his was the original?

All i remember is it going over how they’re linked because same strain

[strange plinth]

except for the massive differences that make the prime and base incompatible

[opaque kestrel]

uriel original blueprint was destroyed and only achieved from our memories of it by loid so i wonder how uriel prime would work if uriel was so bad they felt the need to destroy it

[narrow pendant]

ah my mind connected it weird, they linked their memories but yeah rell doesnt necessarily have the original infected person turned warframe

[opaque kestrel]

albeit it was most likely the us causing the destruction of the blueprints

[narrow pendant]

roathe did say he will reveal the name of who used to be uriel prime when hes on his deathbed, maybe giving us a memorie of it using the refractory

[strange plinth]

Roathe will die when Uriel Prime releases

[peak ether]

Afaik, the only original frames we know of are Kullervo, Jade, Stalker, Babyframe, and the ones in leverian

idk if I’m missing any

oh Temple

[opaque kestrel]

roathe sacrifice so we get uriel prime is a worthy sacrifice

[woven coyote]

Leverians dont really have any confirmation of being originals

[opaque kestrel]

was gonna say temple wasnt even made at all iirc

[peak ether]

I guess other than Ivara

[strange plinth]

rev shenanigans
warden doesn't seem to have gotten a prime, then warden becomes revenant
but revenant prime also just starts existing during the orokin era

[strange turtle]

Yep

[opaque kestrel]

just a blueprint then "oh they are too rebellious" and ballas didnt risk it

[peak ether]

Yeah but Flare becomes Temple making them the original if that makes sense

[strange turtle]

Unum’s rebound

[peak ether]

Is Gara in the story the original too?

[strange plinth]

don't know if there's any indication

[opaque kestrel]

time travel stuff is annoying

[peak ether]

Oh wait the prime might’ve been the original? Based on the trailer?

[restive river]

The trailer just tells us Ballas made her to spite Nihil iirc

[peak ether]

Ahh

[strange plinth]

its usually unclear if ballas is actually talking about the prime or just the warframe in general in the prime trailers

[restive river]

No real actual indication

[restive river]

Aka 9/10 times we don’t know which came first

[woven coyote]

Just as intended lol

[restive river]

Nor is that really relevant unless we know the frame’s story
Like Lavos Prime only happens cause Lavos primes himself, he went against the empire and ran off with op alchemy powers lol

[dark compass]

priming is stored in the probes

[opaque kestrel]

i more of thought that was him saying the warframes name as if we go with "primes were always the first", at the time of creation they wouldnt have the prime title until after the normal versions were made

[peak ether]

Man learns independent thinking and just dips, based.

[restive river]

He had a great teacher
Who
Is now friend shaped

Lavo really did the “you’re my friend now” meme
Totally
100%

[peak ether]

Oh I completely forgot he became one of the snakes

[dark compass]

He was able to achieve something that eluded the most powerful of the Orokin. He changed.

[opaque kestrel]

does that one room in old peace with caliban mean anything towards which is the original or no?

[restive river]

No

[strange turtle]

oh god
I’m a friend.
am I going to become friend-shaped

[peak ether]

Erra created the first caliban

[restive river]

We don’t get enough info from that scene

[restive river]

And we already knew this

So it’s just kinda hard to actually say

[woven coyote]

Depends on your dedication

[restive river]

But iirc Caliban’s alt helm was specifically used during the Old War so my guess is Caliban was made early into the peace and the prime was being worked on towards the end, as we saw

[opaque kestrel]

have fun

[peak ether]

I can imagine Erra making the first then during the peace treaty to enforce the peace have a dual project between sentient and orokin

Primed just to make that peace clearer

[opaque kestrel]

this does make the most sense honestly

[peak ether]

But then Ballas decided to throw a hissy fit because his gf wasn’t paying enough attention to him

I would love more info on the seven so we can rank them on who’s the worst

at the very least roathe thinks Nitohk is worse than ballas

[opaque kestrel]

roathe would probably be the only person who would actually tell us i doubt lotus remembers or knew anything abt the others

(or would tell us willingly)

[restive river]

I think that’d be like rating trauma tbh
There is no winner

[opaque kestrel]

i honestly could see ballas being one of the more tame ones compared to the rest

[restive river]

With the Seven all having official models and us having the Dark Refractory I would love if we could just
Go back to see some moments in the past, in our memories

[restive river]

Roathe does say he was the least awful

[peak ether]

See I think roathe could be a bit biased seeing as he knew the worst of Nitohk considering how close he was with her. For all we know he only knew what the others would let him know based on their actions

[restive river]

Which he was pretty expressly awful to us, like it was literally personal
So

[peak ether]

So the worst actions he has seen from the rest of the seven might not have been the worst behind closed doors

[opaque kestrel]

maybe there could be something abt ordis and who he was before, though pretty sure its impossible after he got glassed but i think ordis would have the most personal experience with each of the seven

[peak ether]

There’s hope for me to acc relive the massacre of the orokin empire in game even if it’s the most recent memory of the past for the Tenno

[strange plinth]

from what we know, he's interacted with ballas
both as Ordan and Ordis

[restive river]

Through the refractory, yes
Though I have a feeling if we get anything on the Naga Drums it’ll just be a cutscene

[opaque kestrel]

more moments of the orokin peak

[restive river]

The best thing DE can do is make Temple Prime’s trailer show Flare, now fully transformed, arriving at the Night of the Naga Drums via their comet
With Ballas’ voiceover being either about him seeing the design he shelved or him talking about the og design and just how much he feared their rebellious nature

[opaque kestrel]

absolutely theres no way they can have a entire mission abt that since we werent technically there

[peak ether]

Yeah probably, I just want an exterminate mission going after the orokin and whatever dax members they had. For now the Old peace scratches that itch I guess

[restive river]

Which dude
You made Temple
You did that LOL

[restive river]

Their peak was their death :D

[strange turtle]

Using it to get back Drifter’s childhood memories after finding Albrecht

[restive river]

I mean we WERE there, it just doesn’t make much sense as a mission

[restive river]

Ooooo

[opaque kestrel]

werent we asleep right after the old peace?

[peak ether]

We were there as warframes

[restive river]

We were in the second dream?
The war continued after the peace and we still fought lol

[strange plinth]

the tenno did the night of naga drums while in the second dream

[opaque kestrel]

okay true i forgot about that

[restive river]

Also we were out of the pod briefly after the peace to protect mom from uncle failure

[strange plinth]

uncle failure-

[opaque kestrel]

what could of been if ballas was a even slightly good person (never happening)

[peak ether]

What a happy family, Abusive Dad, Creature taking the face of mom, Warlord grandpa, Uncle failure. What more could you ask from a family

[strange plinth]

don't forget the You From Another Timeline

[opaque kestrel]

theres a creepy guy outside who wants his fingers back

[peak ether]

Oh of course the cooler older “brother” figure but is acc me who let underage version drink alcohol or at least I assume it was alcohol

Operator may need a third dream just to live a normal life once this all blows over

[opaque kestrel]

normal life? in the origin system?

[hexed oxide]

😬

[peak ether]

There’s gotta be a farm on some planet not completely affected by any sort of conflict

For the operator’s sake

[hexed oxide]

I read here that there are such places. They exist just because they are not visited or otherwise acknowledged by the tenno

[restive river]

Outer colonies

[restive river]

Like Corposium, we know it exists but we never see it

[hexed oxide]

It's corpus, doesn't count 😔

[restive river]

With the colonies we shouldn’t see them cause if we do then they’re in trouble from one of our countless adversaries

[restive river]

The main corpus city doesn’t count?

It’s an example of a location we know exists but have never been to nor need to see to know it exists

[peak ether]

I wonder if the inhabitants happen to see a warframe and think oh we have to leave now

[restive river]

Tau was one such location until fairly recently

[fast dew]

The orokin and Tau man

[hexed oxide]

We haven't seen it, but i don't think it'd be peaceful enough to be a "normal" city/colony

[peak ether]

Do we know where it resides? I didn’t even know it existed

[fast dew]

The corpus are predominantly just merchants

It could very well be normal i think

No worse than any big American city

[opaque kestrel]

i wonder if tau is peaceful rn

(wally is there waiting for us)

[peak ether]

Normal by warframe standards

[restive river]

Don’t recall if we know exactly but Pluto is a common theory
That’s where it is in my head at least

[restive river]

Good question
And Wally’s likely only there if he caught up with Albrecht already

[fast dew]

Doubt wally would be there, the sentients are weak to void, i wouldn't see a reason why they'd keep any void tech open (allowing wally through via the void)

[peak ether]

Speaking of the corpus, I remember when Jade eximus units first came out and people were so confused on how the grineer got their hands on that tech like the corpus wouldn’t sell it to them at an insane markup

[restive river]

I would love if we got to Tau and oop
The Sentients in control revere Wally as a god

[strange turtle]

Don’t forget Uncle Absent Samurai, Uncle War Vet, the other Mom and Dad, the other other Mom and Dad, and The Siblings

[hexed oxide]

Im saying because, don't the corpus we know of have big problems between themselves ?

Like, the ambulas guy and ergo glast for example

And im sure there are many other factions and splinters which just arent talked about

[fast dew]

Is Loid counted or no bcs hes the. Babysitter?

[strange plinth]

wasn't there a corpus offshoot that were dealt with during an operation or something
idr what they were called

[peak ether]

Could be closer to insane rivalry for profit?

[opaque kestrel]

maybe after all the xenoflare was dead they never really got the chance to turn anything off so they just left it (assuming none of it needs to be constantly monitered)

[peak ether]

Similar in Cyberpunk where corporations are pretty much at war with one another for profit essentially

[strange turtle]

Do you remember anything about them?

[peak ether]

Isn’t the Gate from tau side still functional?

[strange plinth]

without something to connect to, not fully functional

[peak ether]

but the tech is still there is my point

[fast dew]

Keeping the tech open is what allows wally, they can turn it off and its fine, i think

[restive river]

Unknown

Hunhow destroyed this side’s rail
We don’t know if the pylons are still in place or how needed they may still be
And we don’t know if the Tau-side rail is operational

[opaque kestrel]

how would we even get there without the risk of another failure

[restive river]

It’d suck if we rebuild the rail and oop
Can’t do it
Tau-side didn’t charge the batteries or turn it on or whatever lol

[restive river]

Solar rail, we ain’t void jumping

And if we were void jumping then Yonta knows how to do it again, if we had to

[peak ether]

Shame she can’t really come with us

[hexed oxide]

She can't ?

[restive river]

Our likely options for getting to Tau are
Rebuild the Solar Rail on our side
Communicate with Yonta and likely use the Railjack or another vessel with Finger drive
Or we utilize some remnant of the portal Ballas made when he tried to eat the Sun

[peak ether]

Don’t think so, they’ve materialised on the zariman and I’ve always seen them as ghosts bound to the ship

[restive river]

She probably could, we are the Holdfasts light now

They feed from us, not the finger

[peak ether]

Oh yeah, forgot that was the whole thing behind their syndicate

[restive river]

We also don’t entirely know how void-made things do outside the void, iirc they can’t be out for too long but y’know

But with us acting as a light, as a source for individuals like the Holdfasts we could possibly bring them

Which Yonta wouldn’t really need to go with us but I’d love if we made a specialized crew for Tau, bring some of our greatest minds and fighters together :D

[opaque kestrel]

a great way to update and add more to railjack

[peak ether]

Yeah same

[hexed oxide]

Holdfasts in a railjack pls

[strange plinth]

found it
black seed, they were in a tactical alert

[restive river]

Another option could be transference teleportation but that requires a link and is def the worst option LOL

[restive river]

We know there’s new railjack content this year

[fast dew]

Maybe Albrecht will set up a link, it would be boring and suck tho

[restive river]

Not that kind of link lol

[hexed oxide]

Would a miniature Heart work ?

[restive river]

Like an emotional one, like how our tenno teleported to our frame in the War Within lol

[hexed oxide]

Like a belt-attached lamplight

[restive river]

The Heart just allows for Voidtech to be used

I can see him making one over there though
But
It’s not really relevant to us getting to Tau

[opaque kestrel]

albrecht would probably just show up randomly warning us about tau, then vanish again

[fast dew]

I understand why we didn't see Albrecht all of last year but. Man

[normal mountain]

Be nice if we could see them again
Like how Nightwatch keeps cropping up in alerts and whatnot

[restive river]

“Oh you’re here, ok so I’m going to this secret third place so come find me”

[peak ether]

Again I forgot about the heart and how important it is in lore, grandma decides to use it as a prank

[normal mountain]

Or in my case, see them for the first time

[restive river]

Not a prank
She wanted her family to actually be a family again

[hexed oxide]

Happy Lua's fools

[restive river]

She did endanger the uh. Entire system over it
But it wasn’t a joke lol

[opaque kestrel]

albrecht doing anything but actually helping

[strange plinth]

send everything into a crisis to get these 5 losers to talk to each other again

[peak ether]

Didn’t she say that if an actual problem would’ve occurred it was easily fixed or something along those lines?

[restive river]

He helps
Just in stupid esoteric ways like making protoframes cause ??????

[peak ether]

Love will defeat the indifference

[opaque kestrel]

he has a plan, you just have to trust him

[peak ether]

so albrecht is making us form a harem

[hexed oxide]

Teach the drifter that emotions are important ?

[restive river]

No?
You know the Heart like. Failed during the quest, right?
She didn’t do this as a joke or a bit, it was actual danger lol

[peak ether]

ahhh

[restive river]

I’ll trust him more when he tells us anything

[restive river]

Yes but we don’t actually know that’s why he did that

[opaque kestrel]

tbf he is kinda running since wally will jump him if he so dare pop up

[normal mountain]

That connections are important
Drifter knew how important emotions are, that's how he got out of Duviri

[restive river]

They knew that
It’s possible he planned to teach Drifter about love

[hexed oxide]

Hmm

[peak ether]

I hope the grey strain comes into more use at some point

[fast dew]

Trust is a two way thing, but. I think we can trust him

[strange plinth]

grey strain has a whole moon about it

[fast dew]

Grey strain is used in the vessels

[restive river]

Ngl it seems like a stretch to me that Albrecht perfectly planned that Drifter would come to save the day lol
He knew of them yes, but not that they would escape nor that they would be able to control a loop
With him expecting the Chosen Operator to arrive he likely just expected a Tenno in general

[restive river]

You literally have the most bias aside from Loid LOL

[peak ether]

Should’ve clarified the giant vessels have more use other than the connection to 1999

[restive river]

The Vessels will prob be in a future gamemode

Biiiig warframe :]

[fast dew]

Im tryin to be neutral here 😭 I do think we can ultimately trust him, he aint gonna turn around and stab us

[restive river]

I’d love a mission that ends with us having to use the Vessel for the rest of the mission

[opaque kestrel]

he is orokin remember that

[hexed oxide]

Nope, just gonna shoot you

[restive river]

He literally would do that if he even thought it could help against Wally

[smoky gulch]

Loid seems too annoyed with all the headache and hurt he has to deal with to connive against

[peak ether]

To give him credit, after his Wally encounter he doesn’t exactly act like a typical orokin

[fast dew]

And i dont see how killing the chosen operator would help 😭

[restive river]

Albrecht’s master plan could just be using us as a new Rell lol

[fast dew]

Which is something I can trust

Nah i. Think he was aware of Rell i think

[restive river]

I’m not saying he’d do that, but if he believed it would help he WOULD do that.

[fast dew]

Enough to give Lyon a donta

[restive river]

Aware that Rell has been the best defense against Wally

[hexed oxide]

Legit sounds like a bad ending. Which reminds me they still haven't done anything with that black/white karma thing

[opaque kestrel]

true but i feel like the motive can very well still be there as long as it benefits his goal

[fast dew]

Ehhh, aware enough to know that Rell can't last forever

[peak ether]

Yeah that’s fair

[restive river]

And they won’t do anything with it, it’s just a character thing

[hexed oxide]

:(

[restive river]

Aware enough to know where it went wrong with Rell, to improve on that

[fast dew]

To give him credit, he already was. An odd orokin, but even more so post void incident

[restive river]

Albrecht would 10000% seal Wally away in someone if he knew it’d be permanent

[fast dew]

I do not think DE is gonna do that shit again

[peak ether]

It’s just whether or not you’re more emotional or pragmatic

[fast dew]

If they did, I would be. So incredibly disappointed.

Oh no. Doing the same thing again.

[restive river]

Thomas you’re missing my point
Albrecht would do something awful to stop Wally
He already has and nothing is stopping him from doing it again

[peak ether]

This feels like a Marie convo in real time lol

[restive river]

Yes he’d feel guilty, he’s such a sad wet rat of a man
He’d still do it, just to stop him.

[fast dew]

You're missing the point of what im saying. Yeah. I know he'd do that. I ain't dumb. What im saying is that he would not do that to the chosen operator!

[fast dew]

Please do not compare me to her.

[normal mountain]

He would do anything to stop the Wall Man, yes
But after that?
I think he'd try to make up for what he can

[restive river]

I’m not saying he’d specifically do it to us LOL

[hexed oxide]

"B-but le Cardinal dimanche..."

[fast dew]

Please.

[restive river]

I would sure hope so, but it’s not gonna change what he did

[fast dew]

Do not.

[hexed oxide]

Ok arthur

[fast dew]

Thats. Even worse.

[normal mountain]

And he knows that, and (afaik) he's accepted that
But I do think he would try
Which is already better than 99% of all other Orokin

[restive river]

There’s a good chance Albrecht may try to seal Wally in Neci or another vessel
And with the Tau radiation
Yeah no sealing Wally away in a frame or something is absolutely viable

[restive river]

It is
I’m still gonna let Tagfer headbutt him in the crotch

[opaque kestrel]

what hes doing rn is already better than any orokin, tho it isnt helpful hes keeping everyone out of danger by keeping wally on his tail

[fast dew]

I really hope they don't, its. Gonna be kinda boring. Oh no. Chains of harrow all over again

[normal mountain]

I'm not, but that's because I know Taggy won't stop at the crotch

[fast dew]

... how is that. Not helpful..?

[peak ether]

Orokin would probably make it worse by trying to take more from it

[opaque kestrel]

i feel like it will involve tau in some way shape or form, maybe involving his old lab

[restive river]

It really wouldn’t be the same thing again, I can see the pieces for it falling into place and it’s not like we can kill Wally

[fast dew]

Thats arguably the most helpful thing he is doing

[hexed oxide]

I feel like if this does end, it's going to be a grimdark ending, like most other stories in wf. A happy ending is the least likely here

[restive river]

He didn’t have a lab in Tau
But y’know what is in Tau?
Special radiation that can seal someone inside a frame
Wally is piloting Neci like a frame
Ergo
Sealing time :)

[fast dew]

I don't think its confirmed if he has a lab on tau or not, it wouldn't be surprising

[restive river]

I’d say non-zero percent chance mom could die but
She has purchasable skins
I think she has plot armor

[peak ether]

Something along the lines of “yes new managed to stop the Indifference but we lost / sacrificed way too much to do it”?

[strange plinth]

we still don't know what rell was doing to keep wally from doing anything, do we?

[opaque kestrel]

let me rephrase: AS helpful as he could of done, he could still maybe leave something for us giving us a direction of what to so but yeah it is the best he can do

[opaque kestrel]

i dont think so no

[strange plinth]

"Tau is in sight"

[restive river]

He kept him in Harrow, somehow

[normal mountain]

Hmm
And maybe after that, we can give him some therapy
Make him more like... "a real boy" for the Disney reference

[peak ether]

Just that whatever he was doing was working he just got weaker over time

[restive river]

Which I mean
Seriously I can see the puzzle pieces
Wally is piloting Neci like a frame
Wally likely won’t or can’t die
Special Tau radiation that binds someone to what they’ve transferred into
So
Bind Wally to a body and go from there

[opaque kestrel]

i mean whenever he first discovered wally, it would make sense to be somewhere in the tau system no?

[peak ether]

Where is it stated about the special radiation? Just curious

[restive river]

No, I don’t think we should or that he even is redeemable.
He is our tenno’s abuser, I don’t want to redeem that.

[strange plinth]

the interactive thing in the leadup to the old peace
not sure if its still active

[restive river]

The Old Peace Interactive/ARG

[fast dew]

Doesn't the binding also require an acaris or however you spell it

[peak ether]

Ah did not participate

[restive river]

It should be, the 1999 pages are

[restive river]

No??

[strange plinth]

i remember it being said that the interactive would be taken down at some point, but i haven't heard anything after

[restive river]

The Ascaris is a Ballas invention, separate to the natural mcguffin radiation

[fast dew]

Do. Do they not need to first. Keep the tenno inside or

[normal mountain]

You misunderstand
I don't necessarily want him redeemed
I want him to be able to recognize what he did was wrong
I don't care if he feels bad for it afterwards

[restive river]

Yes they need to be inside, but the Tenno were on a mission lol

[restive river]

I don’t think we can make him recognize that, he’s not human, he doesn’t care lol

[strange plinth]

yea its still up

[restive river]

He knows what he did, I don’t think he cares about if we perceive it as wrong

[peak ether]

Do you have a link for the whole thing? Wanna read it

[smoky gulch]

I honestly like Wally as this force of nature villain

[opaque kestrel]

would there be consequences to sealing him? since all of warframe tech is basically powered by the void

[strange plinth]

https://www.warframe.com/en/the-old-peace/history-of-tau
should take you to the start

[smoky gulch]

Making Wally feel any sort of regret would break the characterisation of it we had up to the point

[restive river]

No, he is not the void incarnate so sealing him does nothing

[fast dew]

Yuppers

I. Genuinely do not understand wally defenders

[restive river]

Also while he was sealed in Harrow we still had our powers
At most we may just get angry messages from him :p

[normal mountain]

I will make him care

By force

[fast dew]

Oh yeah. Such a trauma response... getting children to murder their parents...

[restive river]

Sealing Wally just ensures he won’t do more harm, it doesn’t effect us or our powers unless he decides to take it away
Which
We don’t even know if he can do

[peak ether]

Oh it’s this? Okay I did do this but I skipped through it for the honoria 🤦‍♂️

[strange plinth]

i feel like he would've, if he could
seems like we already broke our side of the deal

[restive river]

Ah the poor little guy got his finger chopped off ):
that totally excuses him murdering families, making people go insane and hollowing out someone just to reach an old dude he’s mad at

[smoky gulch]

I mean, Whispers in the Walls had this interaction of Wally asking to honor the deal, which Operator refused to do?

[restive river]

Exactly

[opaque kestrel]

if he could he probably would have to make another deal seeing thats how we got the powers anyway

[restive river]

Wally added on the page to the deal out of nowhere and we’re trying to stop him
He hasn’t done anything since so like

[hexed oxide]

Maybe it could explain what in the void it wants : / ?

[fast dew]

Genuinely cannot understand it. Oh, hes just a baby :[[[[[[[[[ as if he wasnt formed from a grown ass man

[restive river]

It wants to be like us and it wants the void to go back to being nothing, from what I’ve gleamed

[restive river]

Formed from a grown man like a thousand plus years ago LOL

Oh but his social skills, he’s just a lil guy!

No
He’s a murderer
Like
Knowingly
He animates his skin flakes with dead universes
Does that sound like a lil scrunkly scrumbo to you?

[hexed oxide]

Wtv

[fast dew]

He is. A predator. Shrimple as that

[hexed oxide]

Oh, nice analogy actually

[restive river]

“Hey Kiddo” stop using our father’s words you creep

[fast dew]

Im gonna throw Microsoft Word holy hell

[hexed oxide]

A predator doesn't care what it's hunting or how, the only reason why, is because it's looking for food

[fast dew]

Oh no I mean

[restive river]

What body should we seal Wally in
A frame seems like the best bet since they can in theory live forever

[restive river]

Not that kind of predator

[fast dew]

Isolate alienate children from their connections to get something out of them

Wrong predator but it works

[hexed oxide]

Oh

[strange plinth]

i mean, rusalka was dying prior to her deal. she might not be able to as long as wally is using the body
obv we can't do that if we want rusalka back, though
a frame sounds like a decent idea. maybe give him a loki or something

[restive river]

True, which I do think we will just seal him in her

It’d be crazy actually if that was what was keeping Rell alive, not just his consciousness being separate from his body but being in one body with Wally

[opaque kestrel]

probably is the best choice since getting him out could cause more issues and complicate things or he can just run away

[hexed oxide]

Can't we treat him like nihil ?

[restive river]

We can’t glass him

probably

[fast dew]

Nihil can have his tube fall over and break, and he'd probably get out

[hexed oxide]

But can't we put him in a bottle ?

[restive river]

Maybe seal him in Neci and then glass him too

[strange plinth]

maybe after he's sealed in a body, but prolly not before

[restive river]

No?

[hexed oxide]

A metaphorical bottle

[fast dew]

Maybe we can ask Nihil for help..

[restive river]

Nihil’s a cephalon, that’s why he’s in the bottle

[hexed oxide]

Like, make an utterly useless frame which can't even move or talk and seal it in there

[restive river]

That’s Neci, we just need to cork the bottle
Aka
Tau radiation

[strange plinth]

Nihil returns to put Wally in a bottle and then he goes back to being decor

[restive river]

Hard part: get him into it
He’s willingly in Neci, we just need to push him into some Tau radiation

[opaque kestrel]

does he know about the tau radiation and what it does?

[fast dew]

Maybe we like. Midas in the cult of the lamb styled his ass and now he kinda behaves

[strange plinth]

potentially
he'd be 'connected' to the tenno that died there, but who knows if he'd actually know about it through them or care to keep that info

[opaque kestrel]

ah, cause if he does actually know he might be smart enough to know what we were trying to do

[jolly root]

Oh

[strange plinth]

-# a reminder that i need to play that game at some point-

[restive river]

Unknown but probably lol

[restive river]

That’s why I think we’ll try and fail and Neci will clutch at the last second and sacrifice herself to seal him away

[peak ether]

That will be a fun convo with Velimir and Minerva

[fast dew]

You should its. Awesome

[restive river]

Hey so
Your daughter trapped that eldritch being within her forever to save uh. Literally everything?
Sorry for your loss. I. Guess. ):

[peak ether]

“Hey umm, your adopted daughter? Yeah I kinda fumbled so she’s gone forever this time.”

[restive river]

LOL yours is better

[opaque kestrel]

LMAO

[sturdy solar]

"yo kid lowkey kinda dead gng"

[humble sierra]

"👧=🪦"

[sage stratus]

why no paintbrush melee for follie

[dark compass]

Because they wanted a legally distinct splatoon weapon

[keen basin]

Super random question that doesn't really matter but I think too hard on things. Do we have a decent time-line of the events from Arthur Enlisting in the Military -> Joining the ICR -> December 31st, 1999? Every time someone talks about his time in the military, things seems to have happened very quickly.

[radiant pier]

nono

well that's basically it, he explains in one of the kimchats

army, ordered to kill innocents, threatens to have Eleanor expose them unless he gets honorably discharged, then ICR, ordered to kill all possible infested, even the innocent, now he's here

[radiant pier]

why Minerva like dis

[stiff fable]

Not enough beer

[dusty dragon]

What's happening now? I just made it to 4 of the hex. Now there's a bunch of new people in my computer.

[strange plinth]

the roundtable bar in the mall has opened
coming with it, 4 new protos
only one's going to talk to you at rank 4, though

[humble sierra]

https://youtu.be/DRrLLI_bzFo?si=NhBpdZicmOuCiz8k

They really should add this to the game if they haven't

[dusty dragon]

Did not

There was new people in my computer and the one I could talk to is about to get murdered by someone

[radiant pier]

Oh wait

OH WAIT

[dusty dragon]

I guess I'll find out next time on Warframeball Z!

[radiant pier]

MAJOR NECI IS THE CHILD OF THESE TWO?!

DANG I FEEL BAD FOR BEING A BIT RUDE TO MINERVA NOW, I'M SORRY

[dusty dragon]

Who dat

[woven coyote]

Their adopted daughter yes, they tell you this

[humble sierra]

Rusalka, she was in the quest

[radiant pier]

I've literally just started talking to them yes

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/major-rusalka-neci-rusalka-rusalka-smoker-warframe-gif-12546235603141627103

[radiant pier]

this frost protoframe is chill as hell

[humble sierra]

He'd appreciate the wording

[radiant pier]

damn I might actually get all the Gemini skins should I get another 75%

[humble sierra]

(Leon Kennedy's VA btw)

[radiant pier]

and then no more buying ever

[woven coyote]

Chill uncle vibes

[radiant pier]

WHATTTT NO WONDER HE SOUNDS FAMILIAR

[humble sierra]

He also voices OnLyne's Zeke!

[radiant pier]

Albrecht kinda sounds like the guy that said "boulder punching asshole" from RE

[dusty dragon]

The lady with the grabby hand?

Who wasn't a lady but was the indifference.

Still, would.

Anyway why does Frost look so much like Excal outside of 99?

Is there a reason?

[woven coyote]

Just old design

Like irl

[strange plinth]

she got hollowed out n piloted. more detail in certain chats and isleweaver dialogue

[dusty dragon]

Maybe they should make frost umbra and have him be umbra's son

That way they have a reason to look like each other

[dusty dragon]

I haven't done the isle thingy yet

I have an order of operations right now

[woven coyote]

Wouldnt work

[dusty dragon]

Max out syndicates and then do other things.

[strange plinth]

fair enough

[woven coyote]

Umbra has no specific relation to excal

[dusty dragon]

Almost done with 99, then Nebraska.

[woven coyote]

Its just what ballas thought would be funny

[strange plinth]

+ Isaah got torn apart anyway

[dusty dragon]

After Nebraska, cetus

[radiant pier]

the drifter plays games with ordis I love that

[dusty dragon]

Then the Venus people

[radiant pier]

when you look at the old stuff, a lot of them have similar design philosophies

[dusty dragon]

And then the stupid people who are locked behind doors

[radiant pier]

I mean they still do but they're a lot more unique now yk

Nebraska?

[humble sierra]

You'll notice Nyx and Excalibur are almost identical, this is because the plan was to have male/female versions of each Warframe

[dusty dragon]

And then maybe there'll be a new story quest and I can do old peace

[dusty dragon]

they kinda have a reason now, since they're siblings in 99

[strange plinth]

i understood what you meant by nebraska for half a second but i don't anymore

[dusty dragon]

Necralisk?

[woven coyote]

Doesnt work like that

The protoframes have no connection to the design of the frames

[dusty dragon]

Phone doesn't like that word

[strange plinth]

ah ok

[dusty dragon]

Ok

[lean garden]

eh, you can grab two randos and stab them with nyx and excal and their nyx and excal bits would still look similar

[stiff fable]

It is still a reference, tbh

[woven coyote]

Reference but not reason

[lean garden]

if anything the decision to twin them up was influenced by the history of nyx and excals design

[radiant pier]

gotta admit, Frost looks super good

[dusty dragon]

Eternalism ||hehe||

[woven coyote]

Please just no...

[dusty dragon]

Is joke

[woven coyote]

I know but it hurts

[dusty dragon]

Kinda the point, lol

[woven coyote]

Meanie

[drowsy saddle]

Insert RoatheMadAboutEternalism.png

[radiant pier]

@fast dew okay this guy is kinda hilarious

I still hate him but I cannot deny that he's hilarious

[unique sorrel]

Shame

[fast dew]

He can be funny, but. So are snakes and they're generally dangerous

[swift ginkgo]

Can teeno grow or will they be young forever because of the void?

[strange plinth]

they age

they were just in cryo for a while

[proper barn]

How far are you into the game?

[stray herald]

who was actually talking in follie's hunt?

[tall echo]

unnamed therapist

from the time when the tenno were in cold storage, possibly before transference was discovered

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, I believe it's a therapist that traumatised Follie into her current behaviour

But we will learn more during operation, presumabl

[tall echo]

I personally think that it is follie, but so far nothing certain is confirmed

[pale cedar]

This update basically gave us no lore in terms of Follie

[smoky gulch]

Ye, it can be either pre-framing Follie lashing out or person lashing onto pre-framing Follie

Without conclusive info on either side

[tall echo]

or a crappy therapist lashing out against follie's operator

[stray herald]

maybe the clan mission will have more lore for us

we are getting clan mission a week after the shadowgrapher update, right?

[fast dew]

Baro tomorrow...

Loid tomorrow

[tall echo]

an operation

[fast dew]

Glad to know they updated the dates but. Didnt update the image. Now that thr update is here why does he have the black stitching on his face

[tall echo]

because the new humanoid floofs just have that

[fast dew]

Its

[tall echo]

floof really isn't an applicable name anymore

[fast dew]

Just arthur afaik

Which is still matching his skintone?

Not. Randomly black thread 😭

[tall echo]

oh ye it is just arthur

still focusing too much on a tiny detail I think

[fast dew]

You say that as if i didnt clock the loid kim chats

Because of my attention to detail

[tall echo]

?

[fast dew]

We were shown the new triad kimchat UI and. I guessed that the top unnamed chat was Loid's, before we ever properly saw it, based on the eye and lack of name

[tall echo]

how is that relevant...?

[fast dew]

...because. small details.

Paying attention to seemingly meaningless details was what allowed me to guess that

[tall echo]

it's not really a small detail or meaningless to anyone who has seen a KIM UI before tbh

besides it's like
two chats

[fast dew]

Point is, there is value in it

And. It was only really meaningful to me, and. Also

A pointless detail i also noticed was the ability to see the start of the name

Pointless detail i noticed

Here, in the old image you can see the start of each one

but Loid's

[tall echo]

ok

I still don't see how the random stitching on a decoration is gonna be relevant or important for anything at all whatsoever

[fast dew]

Holy shit why are you so negative all the damn time? I was expressing my confusion and interest over a seemingly deliberate choice, do you gotta shut it down every time?

[tall echo]

I'm trying to understand what's so important about it

[fast dew]

Its.

Its important to me. Thats why im commenting on it

[tall echo]

repeatedly?

[fast dew]

Much like the kim chat, its not important to everyone but it was for me

Yeah. Its almost as if I want others to engage?

And actually. Talk about something?

Especially now that we have the update

Because now its. Black stitching with no update that could explain it

[tall echo]

the lack of explanation makes it just seem like an arbitrary design choice to me

why is arthur the only other floof with stitching there?

[fast dew]

Yeah and. Thats different! It was at least matched to his skin tone

I could bring up a myriad of arbitrary design choices that ended up being important

Or maybe even being explained at a later date

[tall echo]

then do that bc I can't think of any

[dark compass]

actually i am really interested

[fast dew]

Okay so. Let's look at this through the gaze of a new player. As in. Heart of deimos before the second dream, possibly duviri before the new war or whispers

Marie's legs! Without the devstream stating it was important, many people do not know why she has messed up legs. This later becoming an important part of her story. It can be seen as arbitrary until explained later, literally any one of the times wally was hinted at in duviri or HoD, along with the scholar later being named as Albrecht, the constant mention of Tau, the vagabond too, Albrecht's whole. Foreshadowing, along with a single Son line telling us about human loid

[dark compass]

were entrati books in new war a part of this?

[fast dew]

Some of these being. Arbitrary at the start but very quickly not being so

Small details can hint at a big revelation. A one off son line before we even knew of whispers in the walls clued folk into a human loid existing

[fast dew]

Honestly, yeah I could see the palimpsest of space time being important later on too, eternalism and duviri too

[pale cedar]

Get on my back almost grandson

[fast dew]

Step grandson smh

[drifting lintel]

if we're talking small details being important later, the warframe saving the operator being either the operator instinctually transferring without a chair or the first hints of the warframes being alive

[fast dew]

Yeah!

That too!

[tall echo]

some of those are kinda not on the same level imo but a couple yea

marie's legs, I as someone who doesn't actually watch devstreams anymore didn't notice there was anything with them

[fast dew]

They mentioned her legs being messed up, which. Kinda is apart of her character regarding Albrecht

Like at the start you can just brush it off by her being a wisp proto

But it does become important to her character

[dark compass]

when she just showed up i geniunely thought

"oh her legs are messed up because of the serum, the prosthetic legs are here to help her with that"

[fast dew]

I do think they mentioned her being an amputee but

[fast dew]

Which is a normal thing to think of if you dont have that knowledge

[pale cedar]

I heard she was always like that rather than an amputee

[fast dew]

Anyways, small details that seem arbitrary can be important later on

[tall echo]

"as someone who doesn't actually watch devstreams anymore"

[fast dew]

That.

Wasn't in response to you fully

I was explaining my point further

[fast dew]

Which is. Why im paying mild attention to the stitching

Because its a small detail now, but it could be something important later on

[drifting lintel]

I didn't even realize her legs were messed up until she brought it up. if I could float like she does all the time I would too.

[fast dew]

It honestly might be one of the reasons Albrecht chose wisp for Marie

She finds that it is mildly tiresome but. So is standing up and walking
-# at least to me

[dark compass]

gotta work up those...uhh

...levitation...muscles?

[fast dew]

For the unaware. Theres a loid floof and im curious as to why Loid has black stitching that doesn't typically follow the design pattern with human floofs, outside maybe Arthur with his matching stitching, which is still distinctively different from Loid's here

[drifting lintel]

apparently she floats because she is in multiple dimensions at once

[fast dew]

Huh

[drifting lintel]

at least thats how whisp does it

[fast dew]

Hey another person who accidentally spells wisp as whisp

Shes whisp in my heart

[drifting lintel]

isnt the name based on willowhisp?

[pale cedar]

She’s Whisping your heart

[fast dew]

Its usually spelt wisp

[tall echo]

will o' wisp

[drifting lintel]

oh right

[fast dew]

You're just doing the phonetic version, dw its normal i think

[tall echo]

is it?

[fast dew]

I. Think thats what the word phonetic means

I need to eat a dictionary

[pale cedar]

Normal?
Not in this economy

[fast dew]

And perhaps a thesaurus

[fast dew]

Yeah cant afford that rn

You gotta deal with the abnormalities

[dark compass]

whisp more like

whisk

[fast dew]

Marie whisk

Whisk Marie whisk

Shes baking uh. Meringue

Lemon meringue

[drifting lintel]

apparently? according to the lore blurb

Wisp floats between the material and the ethereal. She accesses multiple dimensions to support her allies. Her countenance is mysterious and enigmatic

[fast dew]

Guh. Handwhisking stiff peaks

My arms. They scream

[tall echo]

that's... not what that's supposed to mean I think

she floats and is between planes, not she floats bc she's between planes

[dark compass]

she is between planes because she floats

[fast dew]

Other way around ye

She also can just

Open a portal to the sun

So I imagine that might have something to do with it

[drifting lintel]

Wisp weaves between dimensions whilst she is airborne, gaining a cloak that renders her and her Companions completely invisible to enemies indefinitely until ...

[fast dew]

-# Sol's gate is. Portal to the sun

[fast dew]

Wait her passive affects companions

[twin wigeon]

yeah you didn't know?

[fast dew]

When. They're airborne or

[tall echo]

eh??

[fast dew]

Idk i aint able to locate mine most of the time

[twin wigeon]

you only gotta be airborne

[fast dew]

Kalymos is out wandering

[tall echo]

ohh wait it means like
those companions

[twin wigeon]

yep

[tall echo]

I'm dumb

[twin wigeon]

not allies

just pets

[tall echo]

I blame that I'm doing like 4 things at once

[fast dew]

I mean logically whats the difference

[pale cedar]

Ngl I feel Sol’s gate is an overstatement than completely literal because you don’t see her actually going to the sun through a portal nor is it having any issues doing that would cause

[fast dew]

Ah yes.
Dog ✅
Dogframe ❎

[tall echo]

you're just opening a portal to let some flares through

[drifting lintel]

Open a portal to the sun to irradiate enemies with a devastating beam of pure solar plasma
HMMMMMMMMMMMM

[fast dew]

The logic behind wisp's. Passive

It does just seem to be that unfortunately nemesis

Its fun to use tho

Wisp's animation sets are fun, whimsical

Go wisp do a flip

[twin wigeon]

very whispy

[fast dew]

I wish it applied onto other frames

Let sevagoth do a flip

[drifting lintel]

Wisp Prime’s gilded splendor haunts the battlefield. Allies welcome her interdimensional beauty.

In languid dreams a vision came, of new heaven, new Earth. I breathed life into its custodian. A subtle sprite, to seed life. Yet as I reached for my savage warden, she... slipped from me.
So now... ...I cast her in flesh. Yours.
Let her be real. Incandescent. This fugitive form. This... Wisp.

[fast dew]

Her operator suit goes hard except for. The mask hood thing

Like okay thumb

[twin wigeon]

thumb.

[tall echo]

that's just the wisp look

[fast dew]

Its a thumb with a scarf

[tall echo]

the default helmets for wisp and wisp prime both look like that, so the operator hood does too

[drifting lintel]

there's a small chance that wisp just ... existed in another dimention before convincing ballas to make her a body

[fast dew]

Yeah probably

[twin wigeon]

one day ill afford fashion for my kiddos

[fast dew]

Frames kinda just exist sometimes

Rev prime being. An example

[dark compass]

sometimes they even exist twice

in different dimensions

[twin wigeon]

or Limbo

[fast dew]

I just. Do it sometimes, worth it tho

[fast dew]

LIMBO??? LIMBO MENTION

[drifting lintel]

wisp literally came to him in a dream and is stuck in multiple dimentions

[tall echo]

you can get good fashion without needing plat

[twin wigeon]

ik

[fast dew]

I

[tall echo]

there's one paid thing in this whole fashun

[twin wigeon]

i got a sick fashion usind the dex set

[fast dew]

I mean. Colour palettes maybe

[drifting lintel]

limbo's lore is so F-ed with the implications

[tall echo]

palettes don't count thomas

[fast dew]

Yeah you get used to that

[tall echo]

the tank engine

[fast dew]

Do you know the lore behind Yareli? That. Is more mucked up than limbo i think, at least personally

[drifting lintel]

like he's a low power frame in gameplay but in lore he might be able to "little brother" wally with enough math

[tall echo]

you're not one of the 3 limbo mains

[twin wigeon]

and nokko's lore?

[drifting lintel]

idk what nokko's deal is

[fast dew]

Oh no the hubris of a man who did a math problem wrong

Hes all over the origin system oh no

[tall echo]

read this in an italian accent
-# pre-edit message was "and a nokko"

[fast dew]

Excuse you he was my first prime

[twin wigeon]

grrrr

[tall echo]

mine was chroma you don't see me hyped over every chroma mention

[fast dew]

He just. Kinda sucks outside certain game modes, and pubs hate him and make it inconvenient got them

[twin wigeon]

mine was equinox

[tall echo]

if anything I am chroma's biggest hater

[drifting lintel]

"I tried to teleport across the solar system... now my head is here my feat are there, and everything in between is in between"

[fast dew]

Yareli was. Kinda based but her basedness got her killed

[rich stump]

Real

[tall echo]

yareli tried to be based but failed miserably twice

[dark compass]

she won a consolation prize

[tall echo]

yareli prime tho

[twin wigeon]

she pissed ppl off as a prime and a base frame

[dark compass]

a cool prime trailer

[fast dew]

Desecration of the sacred kuva, stuck it to ballas, friends with grandmother

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/yareli-yareli-prime-gif-878976766633144388

[fast dew]

She absolutely didnt smh

[drifting lintel]

so I remember people called yareli and nokko siblings? is that just because they come from weird vallas game modes and have the vibe of being kids?

[tall echo]

she almost died once and actual died once

[fast dew]

I. Do not know what version of her is being referenced in the prime trailer

[rich stump]

Me omw to disrespect the sacred Kuva

[tall echo]

they were made to have the vibe of being siblings

or rather nokko was supposed to have the vibe of "yareli's little brother"

[fast dew]

Its never specified so I wouldnt call the feats done by any specific version

[drifting lintel]

would that make barruke and hyldren the parents?

[dark compass]

garuda is the aunt

[tall echo]

baruuk is a monk he wouldn't have kids

[fast dew]

Wine aunt but its blood

[dark compass]

red all the same

[fast dew]

...adopt

Adopt, step children

[drifting lintel]

only some temples had that rule

[fast dew]

Foster care even

[dark compass]

I allow it

[tall echo]

way of the open hand monk

...now I wonder which dnd god baruuk would serve

ilmater?

[fast dew]

Follie is there occasionally too actually, but like. Once every 4 years

[drifting lintel]

he wouldn't... he'd be a monk

[fast dew]

The venus frame family is huge

[tall echo]

...monks can serve gods

[fast dew]

Seconded by like. I wanna say either earth or deimos

. Deimos might have more

[tall echo]

danteqorvexxaku..

[fast dew]

Qorvex, Dante, xaku and the 3+ frames that make up xaku, Lavos

[drifting lintel]

d&d monks don't they gain their power through meditation and connection to the universe itself.

[tall echo]

revenantgarakoumei..

[fast dew]

Do we count Uriel too

[twin wigeon]

KOUMEI!!

[rich stump]

Deimos has more I’m pretty sure cause two syndicates with frames

[tall echo]

[fast dew]

Do we also count Oraxia because she. Is also technically connected to the entrati family therefore deimos?

[dark compass]

can

[tall echo]

ok this might be surprising news but
you can serve a god without expecting to get power from them

[fast dew]

Aint the one that hard requires a patron like

[tall echo]

cleric

[fast dew]

Ye

[dark compass]

yeah what if im an ambitious piece of garbage with a mentality of "i dont want some higher power to control my power output"

[fast dew]

Ye probably

[dark compass]

but i also want to be on a paycheck of a celestial creature

[drifting lintel]

Monks use rigorous combat training and mental discipline to align themselves with the multiverse and focus their internal reservoirs of power. Different Monks conceptualize this power in various ways: as breath, energy, life force, essence, or self, for example. Whether channeled as a striking display of martial prowess or as a subtler manifestation of defense and speed, this power infuses all that a Monk does.

Monks focus their internal power to create extraordinary, even supernatural, effects. They channel uncanny speed and strength into their attacks, with or without the use of weapons. In a Monk’s hands, even the most basic weapons can become sophisticated implements of combat mastery.

[fast dew]

This also might be. Like. Different versions lore and requirements

[tall echo]

you have found a more shallow hill than any of mine

[dark compass]

i dont think you should be all that strict especially with dnd settings lol

[fast dew]

[fast dew]

True actually

Its about imagination

[drifting lintel]

I was just saying that I don't imagine barruke serving any gods.

and being a monk he wouldn't need to

[dark compass]

its not always about the source of power, its about conviction

[tall echo]

when you can't even spell the name right you don't get to decide

[fast dew]

Scrap shut up please

[tall echo]

nope

[fast dew]

If i was to comment on every single mispelling you do, I wouldn't be quiet

[dark compass]

you can be religious and throw hands from rigorous training

[tall echo]

I already do that myself

[fast dew]

Yeah i dont care, be nice man.

Don't make this chat randomly hostile

[tall echo]

I'm nice to people when I think it's appropriate to be

[drifting lintel]

cobra and crane are egyptian themed tho so idk what you would make of that

[tall echo]

hmm

[fast dew]

I like hanging out here! Dont make it bad for me

[dark compass]

Baruuk actually has sleep/pacifying powers. I dont think Ilmater would be very much into that

[tall echo]

it's one way to relieve suffering isn't it

[fast dew]

No i

Wouldn't say that?

[dark compass]

well he is not really about the concept of suffering

Baruuk is about emotional control

[tall echo]

when I feel crap I sometimes go to sleep

[tall echo]

yea that's because monk

[fast dew]

No that just lets the issue fester I think

You are supposed to. Deal with it

And not just ignore it

[tall echo]

that's for emotional things

[fast dew]

Are we not talking about. Emotional control

[tall echo]

emotional control, non-emotional suffering

[fast dew]

And thats for a lot of things outside emotions 😭

You're also supposed to deal with. Physical suffering

[dark compass]

his mechanic is about running out of patience and restraint

[tall echo]

ilmater's thing is helping relieve others of suffering even if it's by taking it on yourself
at least that's what I remember?

[dark compass]

he doesnt deal with physical, bullets literally phase through him

[tall echo]

baruuk is the world's worst monk really

[drifting lintel]

it does feel strange to make the martial artist egyptian

[dark compass]

yeah, and it does not work with Baruuk at all. He is evading shit

he is not a tank, he dodges everything

including child support

[tall echo]

oh baruuk is absolutely a tank

[fast dew]

Religion and culture gets blurred a lot in warframe

[tall echo]

dude has like 5 layers of DR

[dark compass]

my point is that the mechanic by which he tanks damage has nothing to do with physical

[fast dew]

The orokin being an example, dualism being another

[dark compass]

its glass shields and him phasing through physical objects while striking a sassy pose

[tall echo]

why am I even still talking I'm not invested in this topic anymore

[dark compass]

and putting enemies to sleep

[drifting lintel]

oh btw way of long death has undead/mummy vibes and way of mercy has his life death vibes

altho there is also one for shooting lasers so...

[dark compass]

he has a weird trickster pacifier vibe to half his kit, the other half him throwing hands to the point it can create a controlled vortex

[tall echo]

what

[drifting lintel]

dnd 5e monk subclasses

[tall echo]

I
don't know much about subclasses for the unpopular classes bc I don't get to play dnd

[dark compass]

either way, Baruuk is a weirdo who dodges and deflects everything

and he eludes child support

thats why he is no longer with Hildryn

[dark compass]

frame designs usually have so many different moving parts

even if outside of lore, they mix so much stuff together

[fast dew]

Oh yeah nuke did i tell you that folk were upset that. Son did continuity or nah

[drifting lintel]

huh?

[fast dew]

Oh no. An orokin did what orokin do

[drifting lintel]

I figured everyone in the necralisk did

[fast dew]

YEAH

But. But apparently that's not a. Thing folk think of

Like it wasnt mentioned until now but. Like

[drifting lintel]

I guess it's possible that son and daughter wouldn't have since they are coded as teens but that's about it

[fast dew]

Also somehow son condones it more than roach ever does

[dark compass]

Fish found in water

[fast dew]

Fork found in kitchen 💔

Entrati found in infested

[drifting lintel]

roathe is regretful and son isn't. I'm not suprised

[fast dew]

No no

Son is, roach isn't

Roach still wishes to do continuity 😭

"The boy whose body I wear has no grave, no family, nobody to mourn for him. You Tenno were right to end this. Don't ever doubt it."

Roach tries to do this

[drifting lintel]

You said condone

[fast dew]

SHIT

Its late mb
-# its only 1:15am but yk

Anwyays, roach tries to put this

Weird. "Oh well i dont feel bad because it was normal for me" and its

Like man you can say its bad

[drifting lintel]

Idk if it's just me but "you were right to end this" sounds like he realizes it was wrong

[fast dew]

Yeah, which is more than roach

[drifting lintel]

When does roathe bring it up?

[fast dew]

In the kimchats, lemme

[drifting lintel]

And what does he say?

[fast dew]

Lemme find it, you can miss the conversation

God he is. So annoying to look through

[drifting lintel]

The magic of Ctrl+F

[fast dew]

Yeah it gets harder when he never uses the word continuity

He. Thinks this. No roach it really wasn't, and he still hasnt, he has an early kimchat about. Wanting to perform continuity again but being unable to due to the infestation. Or.. maybe thats a voiceline..

If you condemn it why do you want to do it again

[modest lion]

Yall think the next stuff with Dark Refactory will give us Flare/Temple during the Night of Naga Drums?

I want to fight alongside my fav proto/frame

[fast dew]

I wouldnt think so, it seems pretty dedicated to the shit around the triad/tau

And. That would mean bringing a temple to the refractory and hoping their mind isnt too obliterated

[drifting lintel]

Or maybe... The line about wanting to do it again ... Is before you finish reforming him.

And the lines you sent just now ... Are after.

To show the difference you've made.

[fast dew]

No, no it. Its one before you finish reforming him 😭

[drifting lintel]

They just mean playing a memory of the night of naga drums and seeing temple helping

[fast dew]

Its. A rank 4 chat, iirc its either rank 5 or 6 required for any chance of redemption

[modest lion]

Thats true. They definitely seem to be using to explore Tau and not the specific fall of the Empire

[fast dew]

It also doesn't check a boolean regarding redemption

[fast dew]

Without a reset, gotta specify

[drifting lintel]

Rank 4... A few conversations away from being redeemed.

And continuity being bad is a major part of his redemption...

You're not getting out of this

[fast dew]

... what?

If it doesnt check redemption it doesn't rely on either side

Because you can also make him worse

It doesnt check any boolean

You can make him worse without even bothering with thermostat

[drifting lintel]

My point is this conversation is meant to show that he now realizes the continuity was horrible. And it's a major stepping stone on the path of redemption

[fast dew]

It. Also is completely disregarded if you choose to do the villain ending. The leading up chats do not really define it

Because. Arguably saying its hard to condemn something like that is

[drifting lintel]

The villain ending doesn't make any sense

[fast dew]

Yeah and I dont like it either

But it is there, so it gotta be recognised

[fast dew]

Really weird and shitty 😭

[drifting lintel]

All the conversations up to the point is him getting better but you can make a change right at the end to make him an ass.

I don't count it. He's good now.

[fast dew]

Because evidently with son, its not that hard

Even with someone like Albrecht its not that hard

The entrati family were really weird in comparison to other orokin but still

[drifting lintel]

Roathe also said it was bad in his own way.

"In retrospect all of us partaking in that debauchery I was raised to do was really f-ed up" is what he says about everything the orokin did.

[fast dew]

Yeah but. Again. He doesn't fully condemn it. Which. Is why what son says is more than what he does. Son also has consistently believed that the orokin should've fallen

[pale cedar]

“Our time had come”

[fast dew]

Since son has been in the game he's been like that

[drifting lintel]

Yes he does tho?

"I would be the ultimate hypocrite to condemn it" -> "this thing was horrible but I benefited from it so it feels weird to say it's horrible"

"I retrospect, the horror of the deed becomes quite clear"

"No one should live forever. And the theatre is proof of why"

[fast dew]

Side tangent thats somewhat related, while looking for when he mentions wishing to do continuity i

Did. Albrecht make the dark refractory or did the orokin as a whole

Because one line from roathe suggests the dark refractory was Albrecht's thing

"How quaint of Albrecht to make his devices picky. My veins flow too richly with strain, yours do not. A simpler vintage. Go on, then."

But another suggests it was the orokin's as a whole

"A shame this Orokin invention does not work with Infested blood... I could do this in peace and quiet. Well? What are you waiting for?"

So like

What was it 😭

[dark compass]

I think he's just conflating Albrecht with orokin as a whole

[tall echo]

albrecht is an orokin

[drifting lintel]

Squares and rectangles my man.

A square is a rectangle but not all rectangles are squares

Albrecht's devices are all orokin inventions but not all orokin inventions were albrecht's.

So therefore, it is something Albrecht invented but falls under the larger umbrella of orokin inventions.

[fast dew]

New question

Are all dark refractories. Naturally infestation resistant or

Do all dark refractories have obols and a tau astronomical clock?

[drifting lintel]

... There's only one.

So by technicality yes.

[fast dew]

No, theres others now

[drifting lintel]

Where?

[fast dew]

The therapist lady in Follie's hunt mentions them

[drifting lintel]

Gimme a sec

[lean garden]

haha get evil therapied

[tall echo]

wait what

[pale cedar]

Honestly the worst therapist ever

[fast dew]

Yeah she

Mentions the refractory? Refractories

[lean garden]

doesnt she call the patient a refractory reject LOL

[drifting lintel]

Do you mean this?

???: "I will not permit one refractory subject to occupy my entire attention."
This isn't the dark refractory

[lean garden]

but it is a refractory mention

its not entirely clear how important "dark" is to the device

[fast dew]

Yeah unless they have full access to the. Deimos laboratory, which i severely doubt, its probably not the same one

[drifting lintel]

That voicline can play when she stops hunting you.

And a refractory material is something that cannot be worn down or decayed.

She's saying she's tired of the operator being stubborn.

[fast dew]

Or

Its a refractory 😭

[drifting lintel]

No look at the other voice lines in the section.

And a refractory material is something that's used in the art world to make clay ovens and crucibles.

It's something that doesn't react to heat it doesn't melt down or get deformed.

She's calling us a stubborn brick who won't be moulded properly.

[lean garden]

hang on hang on, I think theres a big splitting difference between a refractory material and a refractory subject

separately, I dont think it would preclude any double entendres

[drifting lintel]

Here are all the definitions. Aside from the one about religion all of them are about something that does not react to outside stimulus.

[restive river]

I think it’s the astronomy one /j

[drifting lintel]

I should have blacked out one of those definitions....

[fast dew]

Dw Eleanor says it, its fine

[drifting lintel]

Alrighty then

[fast dew]

I relate to this

[drifting lintel]

We can't even say the word in this discord tho lol

[fast dew]

Yeah thats because people are weird

Using it in the wrong way

It sucks, a lot

Using the orokin as an example for the difference between that and gender but i can't actually use the word 💔

[drifting lintel]

But yeah to my point earlier. The use of refractory earlier is probably just a "teacherism" where she calls a student thick headed in a convoluted way to avoid getting in trouble.

[pale cedar]

I swear DE relaxed on the swearing rule they placed

[fast dew]

Idk my teachers just called me a slur when I was being dense, im sure a therapist can get away with calling a client stupid

Because honestly sometimes they do be stupid

[drifting lintel]

Well this one was likely working directly for the 7 to handle the tenno before margulis.

[fast dew]

Or. Do dumb shit. Because I was a client once and I did dumb shit so that means others did too

[drifting lintel]

All the teachers I've had never used slurs or cussed but they were creative when talking about students they didn't like.

[fast dew]

The orokin might honestly not gaf 😭 Margulis might’ve not either, given she just. Abandoned Rell

[fast dew]

Cultural differences probably, rural Australia and all

[drifting lintel]

Also the dev team is Canadian. They're even more strict than my teachers were on that.

[fast dew]

I. Think i got called that more by teachers than my actual bullies man I should be angrier

[drifting lintel]

Damn

[fast dew]

Anwyays loee

[pale cedar]

Teachers are weird
Even in Warframe

[fast dew]

Teshin would call us a idiot

[pale cedar]

Teshin is an idiot

[drifting lintel]

Yeah. Anyways,

Still there's probably only one dark refractory that was built by Albrecht.

Follie using the term "refractory subject" was her calling someone thick headed.

Teshin isn't that bad...?

He just doesn't trust people

Rightfully

[pale cedar]

Teshin landed in the Void while just being stuck in a cave and acted like he was an expert on the Void

[drifting lintel]

He knew more than anyone else there

And he knew enough to get the drifter back in control

[fast dew]

He. Probably did know more than most, given his time period

[drifting lintel]

Yeah how old is he?

And how is he just like ... immortal?

[pale cedar]

At least 5

[fast dew]

Ages, pretty sure he didnt even go through cryo

Genetic manipulation or whatever

[pale cedar]

100 isn't the max age in Warframe tbh

[drifting lintel]

I remember someone called him infested at some point. Are dax like the actual prototype to Warframes?

[fast dew]

Loid is 60 at a minimum and he looks. Looks like hes. Kinda 40s to 50s?

[fast dew]

Yeah sorta

Dax in general are

[pale cedar]

They're getting what is said wrong

[fast dew]

Weird

[drifting lintel]

I wonder how many dax are actually out there...

[pale cedar]

Dax are apparently called psedo Warframes not prototypes

[fast dew]

A lot, they were kinda like fodder

We murder a lot in tau

Umbra was a dax, along with his son

[drifting lintel]

Well I only asked because I figured the dax came before Warframes. Like a lower tech lower risk version.

[pale cedar]

Teshin called himself the last
Then DE added Varzia

[drifting lintel]

I meant I wonder how many dax are currently out there, teshin, varzia, and others.

[pale cedar]

Teshin and Varzia are the only 2 known alive

[drifting lintel]

Also teshin might say he's the last because he still holds up the culture of dax.

Like saying he's the last samurai while varzia is a former samurai who's a pirate now.

[pale cedar]

I think he says it because he witnessed them get killed while he escaped

[drifting lintel]

I'd presume he knows about varzia

[smoky gulch]

Teshin and Varzia probably know about each other, consider how latter openly thirsts for former

[drifting lintel]

And teshin likely says varzia isn't a dax anymore because she's not doing the job or culture anymore

[pale cedar]

Teshin isn't either tbh

We either kill or help him kill the Orokin he couldn't

[stiff fable]

The Dax way predate the Warframes

Has nothing to do with risk or tech, the Orokin liked the idea of immortal completely loyal bodyguards

[drifting lintel]

Yes... I know that. That's another way of phrasing what I said.

[stiff fable]

Warframes were a way of getting around Dax attrition rates during the Old War

[drifting lintel]

Yeah but I meant the rest of the culture. Brutal trails, constant self improvement, the weird poetry, swordsmenship, etc.

[drifting lintel]

I was just meaning they came first and were the basis of the technology that then became the helminth strain.

The dax use a low power strain of infested to make themselves immortal and much stronger than an average person while keeping their minds.

Then when the old war happens they get easily wiped by sentients so ballas ups the power without taking into account sanity, which creates the Warframes.

[stiff fable]

Ah, no, there's no infestation in the Dax, if that's your point

It's pure medical science

[drifting lintel]

Why is he called an infested PoS in the second dream then?

[pale cedar]

Tbh

We don't see what Varzia is like in her free time

[stiff fable]

He isn't involved in Second Dream?

Alad V shows up, post infestation

[drifting lintel]

Am I thinking of the wrong quest?

When the operator finds out he works for the queens

[stiff fable]

War Within

[drifting lintel]

Yeah that one.

The operator calls him an infested PoS

[fast dew]

Idk the game says weird shit

[pale cedar]

He's in Teacher, Natah and New War

[stiff fable]

Anyway, it's an insult

[fast dew]

Drifter and roach both said Albrecht has multiple kids and.

Clearly we don't see multiple kids
-# the flock idea is shrinking

[stiff fable]

Like Hunhow calling Alad V Orokin

[fast dew]

So sometimes shit isnt as literal

[stiff fable]

It's the worst thing the speaker can think to call them

[pale cedar]

I made him throw that second kid into the Void

[fast dew]

Eh fair enough

[pale cedar]

He was already planning on it anyway

[drifting lintel]

I thought that was just something reb said once

[fast dew]

Oh, no

Not at all, thats something I asked of rebb because of it

[restive river]

Just an insult

[fast dew]

She tormented me

She still is

[pale cedar]

She's doing it again

[stiff fable]

[fast dew]

My mate made . This peak post

The flock. I flinch like a scared dog at the word

[stiff fable]

Garuda's lore is that there was a box

[restive river]

Fnaf box