lore-discussion

[wooden cave]

I still want the answer to this >.>

I want a good relation with the fruity enby

[humble sierra]

You need to convince the two of them to work together. ||Lizzie exists for a reason. She's a guitar for a reason.||

[worn cypress]

didnt understand ":)"

[wooden cave]

but like
what's the better option?

[humble sierra]

First one I think

[worn cypress]

what is murmur ?

[wooden cave]

indifference thingy I believe

[twin wigeon]

Your void is merely an intersection of countless infinite possibilities and thus universes, and WE. PIERCED. IT.

[stiff fable]

Little pieces of the Man in the Wall

When enough of them come together they make a path

[worn cypress]

https://klipy.com/gifs/think-deep

understandable

[twin wigeon]

Minions of the Indifference or Wally, made of the dust from destroyed universes i believe

[worn cypress]

sooo man in wall is not a universall threat but multiuniversell and dimensional ?

are we cooked ?

[twin wigeon]

No

[stiff fable]

He's destroyed universes, yes

[strange plinth]

the dust of decayed universes is used as an animating agent of the murmur

[stiff fable]

The Murmur boss?

[pulsar pendant]

Wally is kinda everywhere

[stiff fable]

Used to be someone who made a deal with Wally

[humble sierra]

The enemies you see in Whispers

Not the robot Necramechs, the other ones

[pulsar pendant]

hands, limbs

[strange plinth]

eyes, sometimes

[twin wigeon]

Bc we have him confined in our universe currently by the strands of khra, all his actions need cause and he is still mostly stuck in the void

[stiff fable]

Lips

[pulsar pendant]

sus

[wooden cave]

yes
we are royally
grilled
fried
microwaved
that is if we stop trying to stop wally

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/The_Unseeing_Herald

[pulsar pendant]

very sus

[wooden cave]

so long as there are people trying to to stop the indifference, it will never truly take entirely over, despite how much it threatens so

[pulsar pendant]

Wally doesn't like love and happiness

[twin wigeon]

Yeahhhhhhhhh he tolerates us but hates the others

[pulsar pendant]

So that's how we kinda keep him away?

[wooden cave]

also god marie leroux is really just wayyy too in deep with faith in albrecht

[twin wigeon]

Cardinal dimanche you mean?

[wooden cave]

ye

"le cardinal"

[worn cypress]

where did u get that its name is wally

[pulsar pendant]

we made it

[worn cypress]

orachrice

[pulsar pendant]

also it's shorter

[twin wigeon]

The Man in the Wall(y)

Wally :3

[stiff fable]

Rell's name for him was The Man in the Wall, which is how we first learned of him

Albrecht called it The Indifference

[worn cypress]

i just came to the game this week and i am alredy digging in the lore 🙂

is it a good thing ?

[stiff fable]

No

It wants everything that lives to give up on caring

[twin wigeon]

Dw he has a cute nickname for you too, MARA LOHK

[fast dew]

Albrecht called it a lot of things

[twin wigeon]

Means either Void Child or Void Demon, likely the former

[fast dew]

The full list of names wally has been called

[stiff fable]

unless it turns out we just had the name wrong all along and it just means "dealmaker" or something lol

[strange plinth]

HIM is a personal favorite

[fast dew]

Definitely a favourite yeah. My other being That Which Bears No Name

[worn cypress]

the last one 😂

[fast dew]

Yeah thats from us lol

[twin wigeon]

Major Neci Rusulka is my favorite

[fast dew]

Unfortunately uncanon but one day

[twin wigeon]

I think DE also calls him Wally

But yes it’s uncanon

[worn cypress]

whats this ?

[twin wigeon]

Go

[worn cypress]

its happening only 3 quests

[worn cypress]

did but didnt understand

[twin wigeon]

4*

[worn cypress]

why

[twin wigeon]

Drusus needs your help,

[fast dew]

He mucked up

[worn cypress]

whos that

[twin wigeon]

Save him from crippling debt

[fast dew]

Did something dumb

Now Loid's gotta save his ass, but he can't do it alone

Also I replayed whispers. Again

Sometimes I forget how emotional Loid's lines are

[twin wigeon]

The Leverian, Drusus Leverian is the archivist who has tasked himself to protect and showcase the warframes and their legends

For some frames only

[fast dew]

Oh and listening to the requiem logs too, the. Genuine distress in the. I believe its either Ris or Netra...? One is. Whuh.

[worn cypress]

i think i need to sleep

[fast dew]

Yeah go sleep, better to understand it when not tired

[twin wigeon]

Don’t sleep

[worn cypress]

i am in warframe on 14 hour

[twin wigeon]

Be the Lidless Eye

[worn cypress]

nuh
-# we are in holidays but i needaleep

[old wharf]

Isn't parvos the weird old dude stuck in capitalist hell?

[lean garden]

not sure if he's stuck stuck but also is he really in hell

[strange plinth]

capitalist, yes, hell, ehhh

[old wharf]

aw man

Everything is now ruined for me

Is sleeping overrated?

[lean garden]

no

[fast dew]

Sleeping is a required bodily function

It feels good to sleep

[old wharf]

I can't be a wannabe vampire? Dang.

Btw what does Mucking mean?

"YOU MUCK MUCK MUCKING MUCK"

[lean garden]

replace M with F

[old wharf]

oh

[cunning ore]

😮

[boreal current]

ya know, I gotta wonder.. after 1999 turns into 2000, surely the Protoframes carry on, right? its just the Drifter that stays and loops it to actively make sure nothing goes wrong

[lean garden]

loop it actively? nah shit loops automatically

[boreal current]

sure but I wonder what happens to the protoframes after 1999 ends

do they loop with us or is it one day they wake up and we aint there?

[lean garden]

both

[boreal current]

time travel is confusing

[lean garden]

the ones we know and love and interact with loop with us

but the timeline continues

[boreal current]

but isnt that a form of Hell? repeating the same year over and over? no way to escape unless Kaya helps them into our time

[lean garden]

so theres a set of protoframes that will watch the start of the rad wars and never survive

[lean garden]

nope, theyre all very willing to keep looping to keep the ending good

[boreal current]

heroes so they are, to repeat the same year over and over

I do think we help them into our time, hence the Gemini skins

[strange plinth]

iirc most have a convo that's like 'a loop kinda sucks huh.' but not much beyond that

[boreal current]

maybe with Drifter and Kaya's shenanigans, the Hex is able to come to our time

or at least, escape it

so theres the original loop, they carry on and meet us not in 1999

we only go back to make sure the loop is stable, as per ETAs

[cunning ore]

I think The 1999 and Isleweaver is a cage that locking Wally for a temporary time. Like Albretch used 1999 loop to lock Wally but he managed to escape through the bad-ending?
But with us doing the True Ending, Wally chased us to Isleweaver and then be locked there?

That maybe why The Devil Triad came after that and there no signal of loop time or sth like Wally's present as Albretch traveled back to XX99

[radiant pier]

bringing the 1999 with us would be cool

[cunning ore]

Hmm, like the event of Isleweaver, Wally in Neci form invaded in Duviri and breaking up the looping of spirals as it stopped at Joy Spiral?

[boreal current]

I think we do via Gemini skins

[radiant pier]

we just toss Amir a Volt helmet and some good guns and throw him into the Corpus fleets

[cunning ore]

Could be some shenanigans thing?

[radiant pier]

see how that goes for him

[lean garden]

we do, but evidently its in 1999 where they primarily reside

even kaya returns despite being able to individually move to the present

[boreal current]

makes sense

[cunning ore]

So the Gemini we are using can be alike those vessel?

[boreal current]

yeah cause she has a job to do to make sure the timeline remains stable

[cunning ore]

I mean that at the cool leaking of Excalibur cutscene thing from Whisper in the Wall, a vessel moving its head and then we got transition to Arthur.

So the Gemini are the same with those vessel? Like their original at somewhere else but they also can feel-talk, etc, idk with the Drifter while using them as "warframe"?

[blissful merlin]

Are you asking if the vessels can talk?

[fast dew]

Yeah, they are kinda

Albrecht used their DNA to build the vessels, specifically the helminth'd DNA

Hybridising it between the Grey strain (the deimos strain that makes things big)

He managed to produce the vessels.

However, they aren't grown on a literal person

So they dont have feelings, they don't speak

[cunning ore]

No, i'm asking if Gemini skin for warframes are alike vessels in Abrecht's lab

[fast dew]

And most of all, they do not go insane

[cunning ore]

So it like Gemini Skin is the upgrade of Vessels?

[fast dew]

Mm, sorta

[lean garden]

I would say theyre not even in the same room really

[blissful merlin]

These are albrechts notes on it:

I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable.

Their humanity may not last. My deliverance may yet consume them, the human swallowed up in the sacred beast. And if my wayward disciples turn on me, what words of comfort shall I have beyond: this is the bargain we have made. Through our sacrifice, history will be saved.

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Gray Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary… assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.

Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the Gray Strain. My saviours.

[cunning ore]

This honestly too deep and too far from my question tho.

[blissful merlin]

I mean not really lol. It answers your questions pretty easily.

It’s all there in the notes

[cunning ore]

How so? I just feel like they are have some main-common points

[blissful merlin]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/albrechts-notes/
maybe read through all them yourself idk

[cunning ore]

Vessel was closed to Gemini, but who made the Gemini, i don't really know

[blissful merlin]

Gemini is mainly a cosmetic thing not a lore thing

[cunning ore]

I know those notes, just they are..too complicated in explain things?

[cunning ore]

But based on how it happened like with the topic that if that possible to bring 1999 to the Origin

So to think Gemini could possible be some ways so i just ponder

[blissful merlin]

It’s possible yea but it’s not really explaining Gemini skins. And again, that’s no where close to what the vessels actually are for

[cunning ore]

Yea, and in the article you gave out, Albrecht seemed build giant-war machine at first. The anatomical seemed to complicated for Albrecht so he could not make it perfectly? Vessels could be a abandoned project or some testament first i guess

[lean garden]

gemini skins arent a developmental thing, its just transference shenanigans

theres no upgrade to the vessels in the gemini skin

[blissful merlin]

The hex crew and everyone else will likely be brought to the future via helminth or something else. We’ve told them we can use transference on them temporally to the future but it’s not a permanent or an overall good thing to continue doing. From other Gemini skin dialogue it clearly brings stress on their bodies pulling them through that way

[strange plinth]

the vessels are incomplete, not abandoned. that's why the kalymos sequence is about repairing and rebuilding the labs to continue work on them
their job is not done

[cunning ore]

No, i mean that Albrecht abandoned Vessels project to make the catastrophe in 1999

[blissful merlin]

He didn’t abandon them thou…

[cunning ore]

Yea or like this, because i dk if there possible of a metamorph. Since he built them giants, so maybe at first the idea was to make warriors facing with Wally (The huge giant version with half-head). Then he realized that it not?

[blissful merlin]

They’re incomplete

[strange plinth]

he made the protoframes before he made the vessels

[cunning ore]

Currently i don't find anything about them so yea, not abandoned just not touch

[blissful merlin]

He built them so we could fight the indifference

[lean garden]

the protoframes predate the vessels

[blissful merlin]

Which yea came from from the protos originally which is why you can find a few vessels scattered around the labs

[cunning ore]

So the protoframes first and then the vessels?

Okay, i'mma put my head in cooler first. I still ponder at how it forming like Albrecht said

[fast dew]

THE FAMILY WERE GIVEN NEW LINES ABOUT LOID AND ROACH

[strange plinth]

oh?

[fast dew]

Here's a few my mate got. About loid. Thank you daughter noone asked

MOTHER KNOWS OF THE INDIFFERENCE NOW OH NO

[lean garden]

"My grandpa? really? Damn Loid I thought you had standards"

-Blue Girl

[fast dew]

I can imagine the look of disgust she would have at the idea

SHE ALSO KNOWS ABOUT DUVIRI

SHE ISNT HAPPY

She also does not like being called Euleria

[strange plinth]

father still knows about the murmur
adding more to that pile

[fast dew]

Not anymore at least

WE KNOW WHY DEIMOS WSSNT TOUCHED BY NARMER TOK

Vome and Fass blew up a whole murex

[strange plinth]

lmao yea that'd probably do it

[fast dew]

"Let's see about deimos now that its back-"

The very violence screeches of the wyrms as they blow up a murex

"Nevermind."

[dark compass]

This is the second coolest Teshin has ever looked

[fast dew]

Awhh daughter is making Father a new arm

[fast dew]

He knew specifically before the others

He didnt wanna tell them? Maybe Necraloid mentioned it

Also father's new lines sound. Strange

Like. Suddenly deeper and closer to the microphone

[strange plinth]

he apologized for the arcocanids lol
but yea i can hear it, his voice is a little off

[fast dew]

Awh, he did make them

Mother has seemingly mellowed out

Loid does what he does best with her i think. Reminding her to be kind

DAUGHTER WANTS TO GET FIBONACCI LMFAO

She also now sings

To. Debatable quality

They also hid from Narmer. Not like it would do much

[proper barn]

Don't be MEAN TO DAUGHTER. But also KERMERROS GET IT.

You have a chance.

[fast dew]

Chance with who? He can't leave that flower

And
He did have someone, they just died lol

[proper barn]

Shhhhhh

[proper barn]

Yes BUT he could throw his flower bud into the dating pool.

[fast dew]

Oh. Son has suicidal ideation 😭 but he cant do anything about it

Oh and suddenly he doesnt like mother as much as he used to

[strange plinth]

mildly concerned that Kaelli is looking at the articulation on the warframe for 'a little side project'

[fast dew]

Naturally son isnt happy about the cavia but

He can somehow tolerate Albrecht leaving lmao

[fast dew]

Oh noe

Awh Son wants to. "Play" with the triad

Im unsure if that just means hurting them or being. Himself but

[topaz ravine]

Dropping my Follie lore theory here rq.

[fast dew]

YSSS

RAHHHHH

[topaz ravine]

Follies story as far as I can guess: ||Follie is a Therapist who got turned into a frame. We aren't sure why rn, but her ink was used on vesper to experiment on people. Their goal was most likely to try and create soldiers using the mental state of those not mentally well. The drawing could attack and come alive, but the admins didn't care and kept pushing them to make more. Follie didn't know what her paint was being used for. At some point the people being experimented on start to actually get violent towards the staff. Next is my speculation: It seems likely Follie found out what happened and in anger started to destroy the facility. They may have killed the test subjects. The ink seems to hold onto memories of sorts, like how artists tend to use theirblife experiences in their art. The lady we keep hearing is some of the memories of the subjects that linger. That is what I got.||

[fast dew]

THANK YOU SON

EAT IT ALBRECHT HAS TO BE BISEXUAL BECAUSE OF GERIVAINE BELIEVERS

SON JUST CONFIRMED THEY DIDNT LOVE EACH OTHER YAY

HAHA TO TUMBLR

GET SCREWED

Sorry this was an argument I had like a month ago with someone on tumblr

I mightve not gotten any Loid kimchats

[dark compass]

Someone, somewhere, just felt very wrong about something and they don't even know why

[fast dew]

HEHEHEHWH

[topaz ravine]

I keep trying to understand what you said, and my brain is rejecting me

Oh wait

[fast dew]

Sorry for overshadowing your theory i

[topaz ravine]

I understand

[fast dew]

Am normal over the entrati

Did

Did son just mentioned. Hades

[topaz ravine]

I think Loid definitely held Albrect in super high regard, but I don't trust Albrect's orokin ah can love anyone at all.

[fast dew]

It was mutual

[strange plinth]

maybe?
feels like tulpa shenanigans
i've seen it theorized that the voice we hear is a therapist attempting to give therapy to the tenno, shortly after the zariman incident, but they're. not a good therapist. (surprise. the people that lack empathy aren't great at therapy.)
Follie made the method, it got corrupted by the orokin and used on the tenno

[fast dew]

Albrecht genuinely did not feel worthy of the love Loid had for him, which is probably why it seems one sided

[topaz ravine]

Possibly. There definitely was some sort of violent outburst.

[topaz ravine]

He isn't.

[fast dew]

But it wasn't, they adored each other, just. Albrecht struggled to communicate

[fast dew]

And. Why do you think that?

[topaz ravine]

I may still be angry at him for not wanting me to save Neci

[fast dew]

Shes a nazi?

You do not want to save her.

[topaz ravine]

She's possessed

[fast dew]

She was still a nazi

She was one before wally got her

[dark compass]

She literally joined a nazi cult beforehand

[fast dew]

She was the LEADER

She's why its like that!

Im more upset at the drifter for NOT killing her

[strange plinth]

getting insulted and blamed when you had no other options can cause that, yeah
mostly the "You say they were attacking you? So you killed them all?" referring to the parents and mocking them with the voices "What's wrong? Is the the voices again?" when we know that's A Thing They Experienced

[dark compass]

Maybe she even started the long arm trend

[topaz ravine]

My assumption was that she infiltrated as a spy, wally twisted her, and she became that. I'm not sure when wally intervened...

[fast dew]

She uh. Wasn't a spy

Thats her mother

Adoptive mother

[topaz ravine]

I meant the "Now look at what you've done." Part. I think that was when they finally got fed up.

[strange plinth]

she was only hollowed out by wally fairly recently
maybe within the past year?
iirc Along Came A Spider has something about it, one moment

[fast dew]

Iirc it was just before 1999

Or maybe during the year of 1999

Whenever the ARG takes place

Its a very recent thing

She still ordered the scaldra to kill "infested" people

[topaz ravine]

I'm not 100% sure on the whole lore of 1999 tbf. I just saw someone suffering at the hands of Wally.

[fast dew]

Id also bring up that like

She wouldn't have permanently died i don't think

[topaz ravine]

The loop is confusing. Now she's in duviri... which is more confusing.

Being on the side of Thrax threw me through a loop lol

[strange plinth]

THE FOURTH THREAD
Once Upon A Time… there was a little girl. A joyful little girl, whose life was filled with meaning and happiness. She filled her world with dolls on strings and made them dance.

And along came a spider who told her that everything was a lie, and all her happiness was a shallow pane of glass. But the spider said he could eat it all up for her.

But she turned away from the joy and filled her life with war and told the spider to GO! AWAY!

THE LAST THREAD
Once Upon A Time… there was a little girl. An angry little girl, whose life was filled with fury and rage. She hurt and maimed and was hurt and maimed in return.

And along came a spider who told her that everything in the world always ended in anger. But the spider said he could eat it all up for her.

But she turned away… and realised she had nothing else to fill her life with.

The spider smiled… and he ate her all up.
i'd say at the very least that she's in her current Major position during the last thread, possibly joining up with the scaldra at the end of the fourth, "filled her life with war"

[topaz ravine]

The spider refers to Wally correct?

[strange plinth]

mhm

[fast dew]

We always were, just. Alienated for a bit

[fast dew]

Note, the spider may not be literally wally in the older memories, wally has been shown to leech into past memories and change them

Lyon is an example of it

[strange plinth]

the emotions in the threads follow the duviri spirals iirc
envy > fear > sorrow > joy > anger > dust

[dark compass]

Mf acts on Warhammer rules

[fast dew]

Ohhh thats so cool

[dark compass]

Once he became a thing he's always been here

[topaz ravine]

Makes me wonder how much of the past changed thanks to him...

[fast dew]

Not much

[viscid aspen]

Was that Wally though? I assumed that was the Helminth itself connecting itself to Lyon's history cause he seems to remember both his life before and after Harrow and Rell

[strange plinth]

looks like fear and sorrow are swapped but its right otherwise
unless the wiki is listing them in a weird order

[fast dew]

Specifically the hallucinations he experienced in his childhood, he now recalls them as wally, its due the infestation yes, but its still wally reaching through

Wally attacks childhood memories in order to manipulate people better

[topaz ravine]

Probably an accidental result of the Zariman

[fast dew]

It could be using the childhood nickname (Little Bengel and Kiddo) or going through their memories and warping it

[fast dew]

Predates the zariman

[strange plinth]

happened in the first encounter he had with anyone, i fear

[topaz ravine]

I meant how wally learned to go for childhood memories.

[fast dew]

Little Bengel.

A hiss as soothing as a vipers gaze, or whatever Albrecht said

[fast dew]

It predates that, he does it with Albrecht as well

During the void incident, which predates the zariman

[topaz ravine]

I wonder where it learned that

[viscid aspen]

Damn, poor guy

[topaz ravine]

Lyon definitely got it bad...

[fast dew]

Could've learned it from the reaction Albrecht had to it

[topaz ravine]

Could also be something from Albrecht's memories? What about that whole... ceremony that Orokin did?

[fast dew]

I always forget how distressed Albrecht sounds in that log

[fast dew]

Yuvans and continuity? Doubt it. While Albrecht did do it, it very well could've been done during the time they used adults

[strange plinth]

..
did the skybox for the Great Indifference on the edge of the sanctum get flipped again

[fast dew]

NO WAY

[strange plinth]

i might be insane but i think this is pre-old peace skybox

[fast dew]

IT DID

[topaz ravine]

I feel like it could be connected to that ritual. If not, they may have gotten the idea from wally

[fast dew]

IT ABSOLUTELY DID HIS LEGS ARE BACK

WHAT THE HELL LMAO

[fast dew]

Mm, perhaps. Conceptual embodiment can take from many things at once, given what we see with duviri

[topaz ravine]

Granted, wally being such an unknown is what makes him creepy

Maybe he's spreading out because he is copying the Orokin and trying to have it all, but way too literally.

Man... Roathe is the only... okay Orokin

[fast dew]

Hes actually one of the worst we've met outside ballas

[topaz ravine]

The redemption was nice tho. Plus I care for the family a lot.

[fast dew]

He is worse than Albrecht 😭

[topaz ravine]

His past, yeah.

[fast dew]

Like Albrecht did some messed up shit but I think facilitating the genocide of the sentients for your own gain is worse than what Albrecht did

[topaz ravine]

The war was completely screwed up, though I blame Ballas more for that. His willingness to change is what makes me not hate him.

Most orokin would just do worse.

[fast dew]

Yeah, and Albrecht demonstrated that change long ago

It was the first thing we really knew about him that set Albrecht apart

Albrecht actively does not do continuity.

He refused even in the age of the empire

[fast dew]

Id also point out that. Roach perpetuated the war. It was a choice. Sure Niktokh helped but he is his own person

He showed no real remorse for killing the sentients

I don't think he even gaf about what happened with the world eaters

EATERSM

I mean seeders

[fast dew]

Genuinely this reads as such a. Clinical process that they might’ve only gotten married because of like. Maybe the orokin didn't like having children outside marriage??? Like huh woah

[stray herald]

Or its that orokin society care more about materialistic superiority more than moral superiority. After all, so much time spent being functionally immortal they all grew apathetic over the notion of sentimentality

[fast dew]

Like no wonder he didnt gaf if she died

[fast dew]

Albrecht is the most sentimental man you will ever come across 😭

He hoards shit in the netracells because of his sentimentality

[stray herald]

Hes on the sentimental side, yea. But his early days is around the same pridefulness as any other orokin, that being seen in his notes when talking about his partners in void research had left him and that he wanted to prove them wrong

[fast dew]

The Archimedian Diadem, the book of Duviri, family tokens

[fast dew]

I dont think that him wanting to prove others wrong negates any form of sentimentality he has

It would be wildly out of character for him to not be like that

[stray herald]

I’d say its after his encounter with wally that completely changed his outlook on life. He is prideful then, absorbed in his research. And duviri showed him what his family meant to him, particularly Euleria

Makes sense when putting together the arranged marriage and even Mother’s preference over Loid than her own father. Big al wasnt the best father, and he sees that in duviri (as i would interpret it to be)

[humble sierra]

OH RIGHT they added dialogues!

I was watching Smallville and there's an episode where Lex (played by Michael Rosenbaum who voiced Hayden Tenno) is beefing with a guy named Hayden which is funny to me and me alone

[fast dew]

Yeah I kinda caught onto it last night?? I thought I heard grandmother say smthn she didnt say before but I didnt get a screenie so it wasn't until this afternoon that I learned that. Loid is widely seen as handsome within the entrati family

[fast dew]

"Until he hooked up with my grandfather" daughter im sure they did worse than that

[fast dew]

Brilliant.

[strange turtle]

-# booo

[strange turtle]

Speaking of Post-Roathe stuff

Do we know if they’ve finally fixed the KIM stuff? Or at least tried to

[humble sierra]

OMG NEW GLYPH FROM VARZIA

[fast dew]

Arthur:

[fast dew]

Im. Unsure? I think they did. Something to the kims

They did. Something though im unsure if this. Was a known issue

[dusty dragon]

Alright, since I got the good ending and Eleanor ripped out her tongue does that mean she can't do the thing? She mentioned it in the KIM system.

[lean garden]

issue? I only see an upgrade

[lean garden]

1. time loop
2. it grows back

[dusty dragon]

yay

OOO

Authentic Techrot Tacos!

Am I allowed to make that joke?

Tacos are traditionally made with beef tongue afaik.

[fast dew]

I mean idk why you wouldn't be able to thats accurate and funny

[fast dew]

It is funny as hell but legitimately its every single one, and I. Couldn't find the second loid chat

I know I got that chat dammit Roach is upstairs

[strange plinth]

||i mean, the game beat you to it, sorta. though they were techrot burgers. velimir would like to chat||

[old wharf]

In the Lotus Eaters, is the Lotus in short saying:

lotus looks to drifter "for you my champion all the women you could want."

lotus turns to operator "and for you my child...the horrors"

[strange plinth]

that is the meme

[old wharf]

ohhh

I get it now

[old wharf]

Will the child ever escape the horrors?

Will the child forever be stuck in damnation?

Someone, please, tell me.

[fast dew]

given they likely have ptsd, absolutely not lmfao

PTSD is one of those conditions that are really fixable

*arent

without intensive therapy it just festers

[pale cedar]

Wally won’t allow it to stop

[fast dew]

festers, and will get worse

[old wharf]

After the lore is done, the operator is gonna be locked up in a mental asylum.

[fast dew]

...no

[old wharf]

dang it

[fast dew]

and i doubt the lore will be done, asylums rarely do any good

[pale cedar]

Aren’t asylums not asylums anymore?

[old wharf]

My wishes, you keep forbidding htemmm

[pale cedar]

Aren’t they Mental Hospitals now?

[fast dew]

most folk w ptsd were just lobotomised and sent home, if they were women. men were told they dont have it and to suck it up

mental hospitals, wards specifically

long term mental illnesses get transferred to resicare [like me!]

[pale cedar]

When all the lore is done Operator is gonna just continue killing people

[old wharf]

So the Operator is just cooked... Dang

[smoky gulch]

Dirfter has traumatic backstory - Operator lives through traumas on daily basis atp

But yeah, Zariman survivors ain't sleeping well either way

[fast dew]

They can be functional, so they are promising in regards to therapy

[pale cedar]

Drifter also deals with trauma on a daily basis

[fast dew]

Theyre overall pretty functional, but you do gotta wonder how much of it comes from the mental block Margulis made

Its honestly similar to something your brain will do regardless

Only difference is that you dont need a machine to properly access those memories

[pale cedar]

Margulis being able to just gaslight children to forgetting stuff is certainly something

[fast dew]

I mean, I for one cannot remember much of like. The 2010s

I should totally be capable of it

[old wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/721821486599503937/1309797609627582535/Horse.gif

Horse

[fast dew]

Animal therapy.. ...9

[pale cedar]

I remember the 2010s but pretend it wasn’t real

[cunning ore]

Tenno got motivations to kill

[old wharf]

Does anyone here like Party of your lifetime?

[old wharf]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1297365478347378769/1336875296980336680/HonorCat.gif

[pale cedar]

Of course because I know it can’t do anything to me

[fast dew]

I do struggle to remember the covid years, therapy is helping but its only bringing up the worst memories lol

[fast dew]

Can't have something i wasn't born with

[old wharf]

Bro...

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/851234086198706257/1360028037462102086/IMG_4045.gif

[cunning ore]

The Atragraph mod always change the frame of the mod into Follie?

[fast dew]

Mmm, does it?

[cunning ore]

I just notive how a Amalga Serration being changed

From Excalibur to Follie?

[pale cedar]

I wonder if Wally knows what Margulis did to us twice

[cunning ore]

Maybe he do know

🤷‍♀️

[pale cedar]

Actually wasn’t there a trailer where he mentions it?

[old wharf]

So, do the Technocyte Codas go into hibernation after they flee to Earth until we come to fight them once and for all?

[cunning ore]

I cannot remember of it. But Wally possible know, like Margulis stayed too close with Void in every case, And her eyes got burned by a Tenno

Also she got tossed into the Void and i still dk where and how they can pull her back to Transference station

[pale cedar]

https://youtu.be/v_BBQBywJoE?si=ejzB8BBYoBV1jxz0

[cunning ore]

No, they keep reproducing anyway

Follie is the "Truth" and the "Truth" redraw the mod, inserting herself in as the main in there. "Truth" now is such a dreamy state to me. What does "Follie" mean in changing herself into those "Frame" position in the mods?

/yapping

[pale cedar]

They went into hibernation after we beat them in 1999 until Modern day

A low 10k years

[old wharf]

How did they even avoid the Orokin from blowing up their statdium-sized ship?

[pale cedar]

Space is big

[cunning ore]

I thought they just belike Drifter?

[pale cedar]

Orokin nuked them which led to survivors then hiding

What does belike Drifter even mean?

[cunning ore]

They infested to Drifter so as Drifter go to where they can go to it. Like how every Liches hunting Tenno like their nemesis.

[pale cedar]

They do lock onto our signature

[cunning ore]

Ugh i dont know how to explain that, but it like they followed, skipped that time more than hilbernating themselve

[old wharf]

Hibernating that long only to get beat down lol

[pale cedar]

Waited 10 thousand years just to get beaten

[cunning ore]

No, we don't know if they hibernating, but i would see it as they followed us more than hibernating. The first thing, if they were hibernating from 1999 then they have been discovered by Orokin

Why you guys saying it like it does hibernate i have no clue?

[fast dew]

Mm, there was a dev who answered with it

[cunning ore]

Orokin assumed to have conquered the system from after 1999, so they could skipp a big stadium infested thing?

I do need the article of it

[old wharf]

ik right, that's what I'm thinking

[cunning ore]

Then it not saying the hibernating

It say morelike they could not be corrosived by time

[pale cedar]

Its saying they waited 10k years

[cunning ore]

it still not say the coda hibernating

[old wharf]

Yes, but it's implying it

[strange turtle]

They had a nap and weren’t bothering anyone + big space

[cunning ore]

Imply is a possible not a definte

[old wharf]

So really big nap?

[pale cedar]

It’s not saying the exact word hibernating but it’s still saying hibernate

[strange turtle]

Not an issue with Infested

Far as we know anyway

[cunning ore]

It still didn't say the coda "hibernate". The article only pointed it out as it alike a disease, nothing furthan that, And they said it have interesting association with the Helminth

[fast dew]

RAHU THERES A NEW LOID GLYPH OH MY GOF
-# a creator glyph, albeit its still loid

Its going in the. The wall

[pale cedar]

It literally says
Sit biding their time

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/yes-yes-sir-yayy-kataman-gif-12260883688244422951

[pale cedar]

They hibernated

[strange turtle]

Dormancy is quite literally a synonym for hibernate

[cunning ore]

It his chili con carne! And The Codas in that statement not really in which. Like if i started a Coda and let the loop keeping on yea, if i decied to cure it or not, trigger it. It won't sit

[fast dew]

Yall be debating and im sitting here happily fed on loid content

[strange turtle]

This is the equivalent of saying that something didn’t sleep because it was said to have rested

[fast dew]

[old wharf]

Because Loid is Loid

The fish is better

[cunning ore]

I still disagree with the hibernate thing

[fast dew]

Loid is Loid, and hes going on the WALL

[cunning ore]

Or you guys can see it as Chili corn carner being alive

[fast dew]

I wish pedestals were more common in decorations

So I can put the Loid floof on one

[pale cedar]

Hear me out: Loid had to deal with Infested so this infested content we’re talking about is also Loid content

[fast dew]

Hearing you out

Oh also, Daughter sings now

[pale cedar]

She didn’t before?

[fast dew]

No?? Ive never gotten that line before

[pale cedar]

Didn’t she sing at Naga drums stuff?

[fast dew]

DID SHE??

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

She is. Kinda bad at it fym she sung at the naga drums

[pale cedar]

Something the winds of Deimos iirc

[fast dew]

OHHH

Mm. I didnt register that as singing for some reason

Read as more of a poem

[cunning ore]

Right his after that, the final pharse, he even pointed out that "it seems The Infestation has an interesting connection to time, since Drifter arrived in 1999 through a Helminth". So it could also imply that the Drifter could have some interesting interact with them that associating to time. While Drifter being a Paradox as the void-touch thing that can twerk the Time theory, they could traveled and followed them.

[fast dew]

Maybe one Albrecht made

Shes also become one of the biggest haters

Like girl be fr you aint no better and don't pretend you are

[cunning ore]

She like On-Lyne and that's the reason i stayed away from Demois fish

[cunning ore]

She a teen, what bro expect?

She maybe hundred years but teen

[fast dew]

By pretending that she is better than Albrecht, she is actively being worse

[pale cedar]

I don’t remember Albrecht being given a gift then using said gift to claw a arm off

[fast dew]

She is far from a teen 😭 afaik she's the oldest sibling and Son apparently did continuity so

She is far from it, she's just immature

[fast dew]

Hey, she is trying to fix that mistake. She's making Father a new arm now

[cunning ore]

No, i mean her character nothing more than a teen, or y dk how many groups of teenager?

[pale cedar]

She’s the least mature even if she is the oldest

[cunning ore]

If i could make her meet Doctor Victor "Blame", i would enjoy it

[fast dew]

She is written to be immature, so she might seem as one, but she's. A grown ass woman and I think that makes it worse

Somehow her little brother is more mature than her

[pale cedar]

Well they are both adults

[cunning ore]

Because he got scolded by the whole family

[fast dew]

He has his own issues but like. Man

She might. Be spoilt and a bit of an ass 😭

[cunning ore]

good kid is the one that made the fault and could realize it

I will say, On-lyne

i don't trust girl being On-lyne fan, except Aoi

[fast dew]

Mimics his grandfather in that regard

[cunning ore]

And great things is his grandfather took away their butler so long and also the butler is the one who taught Gullermo to have a heart

so yea, let Albrecht blaming

[fast dew]

Mm. Wonder why people arent upset over daughter gutting so many fish for seemingly no goal

[cunning ore]

Amps and Kahl

[pale cedar]

It’s a bit of fun

[fast dew]

Slowly realising the double standard the community holds towards people

[pale cedar]

It’s probably an Entrati sport gutting fish

[cunning ore]

i feel surprise more that you can finally realize that at this time

Like at the start it already questions by Margulis's act, people called her Saint, i called her... nope, Ballas gonna kill me for that

[pale cedar]

People used to say Albrecht did nothing wrong

[cunning ore]

what the Albrecht? Who?

Like even after Cavia?

[pale cedar]

Nah it was after the logs came out

Before the notes

[cunning ore]

oh so the notes is a try to make Albrech being less evil for Ballas

Hush, my booboobear really being bullied 😭

[pale cedar]

Even without reading the notes he made his daughter help him jump into the Void based on a belief that had no backing

[fast dew]

People don't like it when I:

Blame Loid for getting the cavia for Albrecht

Point out that we do worse than what Albrecht ever does (somehow the. Fact we murder a lot of people is okay because "its needed", as if what Albrecht did wasnt under the same circumstances, if not worse)

Point out Roach is actively worse than Albrecht but its okay because "hes getting better" (as if Albrecht isnt trying and has shown he has changed)

Point out that he is changing for the better

[fast dew]

. He had no assistants and likely needed one and. She bery much could've volunteered, as if its not her literal job 😭

[cunning ore]

As a person really adore, Ballas, i would agree your dislikes cause they all facts that they just not want

[fast dew]

Mhm. They dont want to see Albrecht as not literally ballas 2.0

[cunning ore]

Well, they blamed me cutie for all without really looking into other

eh, they won't. Ballas too succeed to be only

[fast dew]

They want someone to hate, but can never really hate correctly

[pale cedar]

He had plenty of sluggish assistants

[fast dew]

Attendants, and. That could've been loid 😭

[cunning ore]

Then he tossed his daughter always by the "worry" of a father,

Such a great father that let his daughter seeing things and then toss her out of the project

[fast dew]

To keep her safe tbf

[cunning ore]

Then Gullermo had traumas

Safe as he built Sanctum Anatomica right below Demois

[pale cedar]

Does Loid act sluggish?

[fast dew]

He is visibly tired

[cunning ore]

He is a catman

[fast dew]

According to Roach

[cunning ore]

Too tired and even confused at what happening up there

[fast dew]

Hes a bit real for that

Mm, he was. Very uptight according to. I wanna say daughter. Or maybe son?

Son. It was Son

[cunning ore]

Yea, but by Gullermo (Mother) he had been gone from so long, like what time?

[fast dew]

Mm, we think Albrecht's time in Duviri (suicide attempt turned realisation what he needed to do)

[pale cedar]

Damn my signal by trees is ass

[fast dew]

Mb

[pale cedar]

Damn you Tormis

[cunning ore]

i think imma need to go back to my work as my fever kept getting worst. So i still want to yap last about Follie:

She such a goddes of "Truth" when in the Atragalp version of a mod, she replaced herself with other frame in.

[fast dew]

Ahh you mad

[pale cedar]

I’m not mad
I’m a book
Books can’t get mad

[cunning ore]

Can i call you gay book, mr Nemesis?

[fast dew]

The whispers tell me otherwise

[cunning ore]

My friend named book like you are Erotic Roathe RP book?

[pale cedar]

You can’t call me gay book because I haven’t had the Albrecht love diary as a pfp since Old Peace

[cunning ore]

Okay

[fast dew]

Unfortunately

[cunning ore]

What about Yuri or Les?

[pale cedar]

You can call me Lore book though

[cunning ore]

Okay, Lore Book, can you please tell me what's Ballas birthday so i can achieve further my worship career for him?

[pale cedar]

Sure it’s

October 31st

[cunning ore]

🥺 ✨ Thank you, Mr. Nemesis

[pale cedar]

All good

[cunning ore]

now i can finally do some Tarot read with it

[pale cedar]

I don’t know what you see in Ballas though ngl

Ballas is a bad blue false god

[cunning ore]

Some pains does need a great evil to cope with

I could think of like ten reasons why i loved Ballas

There some more but i hardly tell with my ADHD

[pale cedar]

Are you sure you aren’t Ballas yourself?

[cunning ore]

Doubt that

Mr, Lore Book, do you have a test for that?

[heady quest]

A blook then?

[lean garden]

but are you a thesaurus?

[pale cedar]

No the Lore Thesaurus is my brother

[fast dew]

Yall are siblings now. Close enough

[worn cypress]

what are archons ?

just sentients with void shards ?

[opaque zenith]

The Seven Archons, typically shortened to The Seven,[1] are the seven gods who preside over the seven nations of Teyvat, established after they or their predecessors emerged as the victors of the Archon War 2,000 years ago-

Wrong archon 1 sec

[tall echo]

ha. ha.

[worn cypress]

i knew ill get this asnwer

neuvillette >

[opaque zenith]

Dead/Ressurected hybrids between sentients and warframes, for more: https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Archon

[worn cypress]

-# i have done genshin lore soooooooo

[worn cypress]

are the info in it spoil for missions before whispers ?

[twin wigeon]

The sentient parts are desecrated from the peacekeepers of Tau, like Amar

[fast dew]

Shouldn't tbh

[worn cypress]

what ?

[fast dew]

It wont

[opaque zenith]

Not that i see, just don't go to Amar's page

[twin wigeon]

All you need to know about him is uhhh bigggggg woofer that one

[opaque zenith]

K, maybe skip the 'The Old War' section

[twin wigeon]

Biiiiiiggggg woofer

[worn cypress]

genshin is hunting me even in warframe

@opaque zenith

[fast dew]

Me when Gianni Matragrano

[cunning ore]

Void shards

[opaque zenith]

Wait till you hear how many games drifter is in, truly the paradox menance

[worn cypress]

🗿

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/drifter-runs-over-ivy-gif-17253975266240489383

Wait till you see how many games have Wukong

[smoky gulch]

I wonder if writer was thinking of taxiing practice making this

[cunning ore]

Don't we have enough taxes in-game?

[tall echo]

what

[cunning ore]

Tax in game?

In WF?

[fast dew]

Yeah dude we get taxed

[tall echo]

yeah no obv but what is the incorrect person referring to

[fast dew]

Ordis takes money away to keep the orbiter's functions.. functioning, plat tax

[smoky gulch]

Practice of queueing up missions another person doesn't have access to yet, acting as a taxi

[tall echo]

but that's not taxes

[smoky gulch]

Some people dislike reading and aren't proficient in it

Sooo, they're prone to misreads

[radiant pier]

THE HEX PART 2 HOLY SHIT

[misty helm]

Guys, hear me out

If you could turn Ballas into a WF... which one would it be?

Like, we can't design newer ones, but at least we can infest the bastard with the strain of one

[fast dew]

... the uh. Femme ballas necessary?

[misty helm]

Yes

[pale cedar]

Is that AI or drawn?

[fast dew]

Drawn

[misty helm]

I believe* it has the artist signature in the chest

[fast dew]

Unfortunately im aware of the artist

We dont have enough nihil art

Ima draw that rn

[pale cedar]

Draw female Nihil?

[opaque zenith]

Goodspeed, may i suggest making the sword (more) comically bigger?

[pale cedar]

It’s already comically big

[tall echo]

no

[opaque zenith]

MORE

[cunning ore]

i think it would close to Garuda

[cunning ore]

i would love to main him

[tall echo]

no that's nitokh

ballas would probably be chroma, pretentious, alright looking and completely useless

[cunning ore]

Hey no! i don't want to believe if Ballas into furry

Besude Chroma cannot be that bad????

wait, the part of being masochism

[tall echo]

chroma is genuinely the most powercrept frame ever

[twin wigeon]

I would love to maim him*

[cunning ore]

...okay im out of world

[tall echo]

chroma isn't.. what

please start using google translate

[cunning ore]

I like to mend him

[fast dew]

Nah, but like. Nihil....

[radiant pier]

@fast dew PEAK

[cunning ore]

Chroma is a dragon frame?

[radiant pier]

PEAK AS HELL, I LOVE HOPECORE

[fast dew]

Huh-

[tall echo]

yes?

[cunning ore]

so he was not furry?

[radiant pier]

Amir getting a Parazon is AWESOME

[tall echo]

...no

[cunning ore]

a furry?

[radiant pier]

magic techno stick

[stark hearth]

What's the best choice here for lore?

[radiant pier]

w-wait does this mean it's officially an entirely different timeline now?

[tall echo]

same same

[tall echo]

same timeline, different choices

[radiant pier]

wait there's more? LOIDDDDDD

BRB

[tall echo]

"the past can be changed, traces of the original persist"

[cunning ore]

Operator, since they are the one who received more traumas from Ballas

Drifter just chilling and dating

[tall echo]

drifter and operator have equal amounts of reason

[stark hearth]

is operator the best choice here? for lore wise because they got save or drifter for beating ballas to pulp

[radiant pier]

Operator I believe

choosing Drifter is more akin to....I'm letting an alternate older version of me handle the job

[tall echo]

do I not exist

[cunning ore]

Operator have more based the main quests and they are the one who directly taking the trauma

[radiant pier]

to me anyways

[tall echo]

drifter restored lotus and dealt with the other 2 archons

[stark hearth]

ballas is not love

[tall echo]

it's either them finishing the job or operator taking over

[cunning ore]

Oh cmon, the Operator cannot even have their loves

Like they cannot even grow, and so the Drifter just take all the people around as their lovers

[cunning ore]

He my cute blueberry

[stark hearth]

so is operator the best choice or drifter?

[tall echo]

tenno can grow up

[stark hearth]

no just no

[cunning ore]

Operator

[tall echo]

BOTH.

[tall echo]

operator is a tenno

[stark hearth]

how do i pick both

[cunning ore]

Operator not grow in physical

[tall echo]

wejiktfmicr

[dark compass]

I think narratively Operator is better

[cunning ore]

Just pick one,

[tall echo]

for the love of all that is grofit

[dark compass]

It's their war

[stark hearth]

will the choice affect the lore?

[dark compass]

And their mom

[fast dew]

My blueberry is Nihil, he is a bit insane but he is funny

[cunning ore]

IT TOO CORNY TOO SEE OPERATOR DATING GEMINI

[fast dew]

Nup

[fast dew]

Dw they wont ever do that

[stark hearth]

which is it

[cunning ore]

you alike my big bro, respeect

[stark hearth]

😭

[fast dew]

DE knows limits.

• its illegal in several countries to do that

[cunning ore]

That why Drifter took the rizz and go around dating

[fast dew]

One of them being I think canada itself lol

[cunning ore]

While Operator living more with traumas of losing friends, losing everything and cannot grow-up

[tall echo]

tenno. can. grow up.

[stark hearth]

so drifter?

[fast dew]

It doesn't matter

[tall echo]

just flip a coin mate

[fast dew]

Operator hasnt so far, thats what i think theyre getting at

[stark hearth]

tails for drifter and heads for operator

https://tenor.com/view/coin-toss-coin-toss-gif-5017733

[radiant pier]

who the heck is temple

[tall echo]

flare

[cunning ore]

Tenno can. But not Operator and i said Operator cannot grown in physical

[stark hearth]

i got heads

[tall echo]

the operator is a tenno, genius

[stark hearth]

im going drifter

[radiant pier]

there's

[stark hearth]

so drifter is not a tenno?

[radiant pier]

there's more protoframes?

[tall echo]

drifter is also a tenno

tenno comes from 10-0. the zariman 10-0

[fast dew]

Drifter isnt a tenno tbh, not really

[tall echo]

every zariman kid is by technicality a tenno

[fast dew]

It also comes from the experience post incident, they also didn't actually. Get the powers that made them a tenno

[tall echo]

the term just refers to kids from the zariman

[radiant pier]

wait do I need to be rank 5 with the hex to get access to the other protoframes?

also did that guitar just speak

[cunning ore]

But Operator cannot grow, fact. So that's why i tell them seperately

[radiant pier]

I'm not hallucinating right

[tall echo]

but they can, fact.

they were just in cryosleep until the second dream quest

[opaque zenith]

You'll get used to it

[radiant pier]

is the AX-52 good without its augment?

[stark hearth]

did i miss something in lore what or where is zariman ship

[tall echo]

you were on it

[twin wigeon]

Did you do angels of the zariman

[stark hearth]

can't remember

[tall echo]

the place where you pick drifter/operator is the zariman

[twin wigeon]

Check

[cunning ore]

Operator cannot. They still the same as they was rescued from Zariman

[stark hearth]

oh

[radiant pier]

you can do the new war before the Zariman?

[tall echo]

BROTHER

[cunning ore]

BRO

[twin wigeon]

You have to do new war before zariman

[tall echo]

are you a tungsten cube or why are you so dense

[stark hearth]

idk, i just do what quest pops up first

[twin wigeon]

NAHHHHHHH

[radiant pier]

yeah so they don't even have the Zariman unlocked

[cunning ore]

I tell you seperatedly and why you still so stubborn in uniting them into Tenno?

[smoky gulch]

Considering thousands of years since Zariman? While their psyche is more than mature at this point, bio body seems stuck in the past

[twin wigeon]

You unlock angels the same time as whisper in the walls

[tall echo]

because they are tenno

there is no difference

[cunning ore]

But we are talking about physical growth??

[stark hearth]

I haven't choose drifter or tenno

[tall echo]

???????

[cunning ore]

SO i said Operator cannot grow in physical

[tall echo]

yeah no wonder you like ballas

[stark hearth]

why operator cannot grow

[radiant pier]

is it like a crit damage monster

[stark hearth]

are they immortal?

[tall echo]

yep

[twin wigeon]

Hybrid

[stark hearth]

and stays young like vampires

[cunning ore]

They made a deal with Wally and so they stucked in that form of a child never growing and yea they immortal.

[twin wigeon]

Read the passive

[tall echo]

where the hyuck are you getting that from

[cunning ore]

yep, that;s why Queen want us in The War Within.

[tall echo]

the deal just gave every kid void powers

[cunning ore]

THE war Within

[twin wigeon]

No

[tall echo]

not immortality

[radiant pier]

I meant like for building

[stark hearth]

is wally the one tapping on glass before that offered a hand to save all of us

[tall echo]

there is literally a tenno that grew old bc he wasn't in cryosleep

[radiant pier]

I'll just test out both ig

[ocean geyser]

Rell moment

[twin wigeon]

Read the passive, it helps tremendously

[stark hearth]

who's the queen did i miss allot!?

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, non-senescence seems like... Side effect story never mentions?

[tall echo]

the kuva queen

[twin wigeon]

The Worm Queen

[ocean geyser]

Do you remember the War Within?

[stark hearth]

oh

[misty helm]

The argument is, that the operator and the rest of the Zariman kids that eventually got rescued and went to fight on the war and everything else... can die at some point, mainly because the information of that coming from* the Chains of Harrow quest in which we get to know that Rell apprently "knew he was gonna die eventually" and thus linked himself directly to Harrow... All that, in answer to the question of "how could he survive that long without cryosleep".

[stark hearth]

yes

[twin wigeon]

We’ve only lived this long bc we’ve been im suspended animation

[stark hearth]

is the man in the wall scary like chains of harrow? just need a spoiler in experience not lore

[twin wigeon]

Drifter is not too old bc time hardly exists in Duviri

[twin wigeon]

Scarier

[stark hearth]

cause im traumatized to chains of harrow

[ocean geyser]

In a non chains way but yes

[stark hearth]

oh hell nah

[fast dew]

Time was looped, not from time not existing

[tall echo]

well he is the main reason for that quest so yea

[twin wigeon]

Rap. Tap. Tap

[ocean geyser]

Someone gotta tell this guy to stop knocking on things

[tall echo]

like chains of harrow is the first proper encounter with wally aside from a short appearance in war within

[stark hearth]

So the guy talking in my orbiter is wally!?

[misty helm]

I mean, the ambient of CoH was honestly better in the horror-aspect, the newer iterations going around Wally aren't that scary but more epic than anything else

[tall echo]

yep

and if any character says "kiddo" you can be sure that they are wally in disguise

[stark hearth]

i was wondering why someone was sitting on codex thought it was rell

[twin wigeon]

He dead

To dust, he returns

[ocean geyser]

Every once in a while
People assume the operator clone is rell

[twin wigeon]

Mhm

[ocean geyser]

Intriguing

[fast dew]

We end as we began or whatever

[misty helm]

Is it ever explained why Kullervo is in Duviri in the first place? Same with Oraxia... Wasn't Duviri like a Drifter-made thing straight out of a children's book?

[twin wigeon]

They never pay attention to the fact Harrow dissolves to dust and he goes to sleep

[stark hearth]

didn't even think about that rell being a clone of operator

[fast dew]

Yeah he fell in

Oraxia was brought in by Albrecht

[twin wigeon]

Oraxia is the guardian of scholars landing

[stark hearth]

so is operator the best choice of drifter? (lorewise)

[twin wigeon]

Kullervo was likely sent to the void or wandered there in self exile for his crimes

[twin wigeon]

There is no best choice, just a choice

[pale cedar]

Read the 7 crimes on the wall

[ocean geyser]

It’s easier to notice if your operator isn’t wearing the basic zariman clothes

[ocean geyser]

Pretty sure Ball ass tossed him in there

[fast dew]

The choice doesnt matter, these sorts of things are left to ambiguity for lore reasons

[ocean geyser]

You just get funny dialogue depending on who you pick

[fast dew]

Theres certain quests where they intend for you to be operator, there's forced quests that make you as drifter

-# I am. 99% sure whispers is supposed to be operator

[stark hearth]

so what i ever pick is not canon?

[fast dew]

Eternalism. I'll use eternalism

[ocean geyser]

Canon and not canon simultaneously

[fast dew]

Its both canon and not canon, you exist in the timeline where you choose either one, this just sends you down each timeline

Every choice is this btw, for everyone that has ever existed

[misty helm]

So, Duviri is an actual physical place that everybody else can see, touch and interact with —because of CO, I guess— but it's a creation of the Drifter's mind/emotions interacting with the void... But the drifter is in an alternative timeline... Does that mean that Duviri, or the void itself, has all the timelines mashed together or how does that work? Or did Kullervo did what he did, in the timeline in which the Drifter was left behind in the Zariman? If so, in our Operator's timeline... did Kullervo did the same thing? Or are both timelines just extremely coincidental in that aspect (Drifter's and Operator's)?

[ocean geyser]

The drifter kind of just abandoned their original timeline entirely

Time no longer matters once you’re in the void

[cunning ore]

i need the link to that comic ngl

[ocean geyser]

Consider the void to be Time Soup

[cunning ore]

I misread it as it for Continuity

[stark hearth]

so when i was playing the quest the one i was playing was drifter or operator?

[misty helm]

The Drifter is the adult and the Operator is the kid

[cunning ore]

Operator would be close to the trauma as they close to Lotus/Natah further than Drifter

[stark hearth]

so the one i was playing before was drifter?

im confused

[cunning ore]

😭

[misty helm]

TNW? The one with the hood and the docked orbiter, looking straigh out of a post-apocalyptic scenario? That's the Drifter

[twin wigeon]

Actually both are technically the same age, physically and mentally no but biologically yes

[stark hearth]

yes

[fast dew]

Think about it as a bunch of sealed bottles in a filled bathtub. The water is the void, and the inside of each bottle is a separate timeline. If you venture outside of your bottle, you are no longer apart of that bottle. But, you make a.. pile of sticks with your mind accidentally, thats duviri

So. Duviri isnt a timeline but it actively isnt in the void

[misty helm]

So Duviri should, theoretically speaking, have all the mashed little-details of each and every possible timeline in which the Drifter was left behind and in which he CO'd Duviri itself?

[cunning ore]

I read the Rell comic but it was on Zariman

wth

[fast dew]

As far as we know, there is only one drifter ever.

[misty helm]

Oh

[stark hearth]

Oh wait so when ballass stab the operator and got suck to a wormhole or void, the timeline sync in to the drifter when about to get killed by hostile lotus? is that why operator said "you're alive?"

[ocean geyser]

That’s essentially a fusion event of sorts
Not 100% sure how to describe it, others have done it better

[cunning ore]

yea

[ocean geyser]

Remember that every other version of the operator was erased besides those two

[misty helm]

But if you went outside of your bottle, then you're in the water of the bathtub and thus in the void...

[stark hearth]

so operator is the best choice?

or still drifter because it was their timeline

[fast dew]

Duviri is in the void, but its not in in the void

[misty helm]

😵‍💫

[misty helm]

Yeah, I don't know about that part neither. Suddenly we are in this dystopian part in which Ballas is basically Big Brother with the whole Narmer thing... But at the same time the Drifter is there... and he's a badass outcast with the Sirocco and everything. So, is it the future or is it just an alternative timeline? But at the same time, if we pop up with the Operator, Ballas knows us...

[pale cedar]

New War after we were stabbed is just some time passed

Drifter being there in terms of Operator Ballas sees them as the same which is why Hunhow registered Drifter as Operator

[cunning ore]

You can choose anyone cause it not affect the story. Unless if you like, you can replay the New War again and again like me

I replayed New War for Ballas's cutscene and hologram ✨

[jolly root]

Great Schroedengers land

[jolly root]

Id replay it so i can pound his head into my blade again and again

[cunning ore]

Yea that other, but me to just that

[misty helm]

Schrondinger, Schrindonger, Schrorendenger, Schrodinger, Schrodinkelberg

[radiant pier]

I hope Ballas appears again just so we can kill him and humiliate him

[misty helm]

I would like to know how the great purge happened exactly and how the hell did Ballas escaped it

And what did he do all this time

Like, we know at least a thousand years has happened since the Old War

[jolly root]

I have trouble remembering the name

[misty helm]

So what did he do all that time? Like, the queens literally have their own faction, despite probably being generic Orokin (or Tuvul's daughters) while Ballas, literally an Executor, somehow passed inadvertenly

[misty helm]

Yeah, same. Most of the time I have to google him to remember how to write it

[jolly root]

Hahah

I dont Google the name i just hope

[tall echo]

it's not a comic it is literally the chains of harrow quest

[pale cedar]

Yeah, comic doesn’t even mention the aging just ship stuff

[fast dew]

Afaik the queens were violently rejected from orokin society due to their nature as twins

[cunning ore]

okay imma go replay it

[tall echo]

rell had to fuse into his harrow bc he was getting old

that's the whole premise of the quest

[pale cedar]

Orokin really don’t like symmetry

[tall echo]

except when they do

it would be really funny if all doors were asymmetrical tho

[fast dew]

Mm, i think it had something to do with them being twins cus of. Lorists

[tall echo]

imagine void towers but all those tall circular doors are one half tall and one half normal size

[pale cedar]

Time to start door measurements

[pale cedar]

How dare that twin have a arm compensating for the other twins arm

[misty helm]

I wonder, what chance would there be that Lotus is wrong in her supposition that Tenno can grow old without cryosleep?

Note how she calls Wally a delusion, when he's clearly real. Which tells us she doesn't know everything about the nature of the zariman kids

Going as far as to handwave Wally as a mere delusion

[pale cedar]

She had nothing supporting the existence at the time

Took a walk showing up to change that viewpoint

[lean garden]

also like, she very evidently doesnt hold that view point now so

[misty helm]

Yeah, yeah, I know

[lean garden]

also, its wasnt the lotus who said rell would age

it was palladino, explaining why rell did what he did

[misty helm]

What I'm saying though —and I know I could be very wrong— is that, if she didn't* knew that part of the Zariman kids story... then it's quite probably she doesn't understand fully how the kids work in a fundamental level...

[cunning ore]

😭 why Rell be casted out in anytime? Like both on Zariman and then ugh in the project of crysleep?

Gosh, poor boy

[pale cedar]

Autism

[fast dew]

Me fr

[misty helm]

Sorry; she didn't*** understand (assuming she does now)

[cunning ore]

what?

[misty helm]

Yeah, at least Palladino seemed to know a whole lot more about that. I mean, she even used the term 'the Indifference'.

[pale cedar]

Why would Lotus know something when it was strictly something that she wasn’t told about?

[misty helm]

I know I'm nitpicking stuff here, though. It's just cope fanfic-bias about the Operator being unaging.

[fast dew]

Well, we just learned this update that Father knew of the murmur

As in. Killed some

[cunning ore]

wait so it ended with what answer? i got confused but have to replay again and still confused

[fast dew]

The indifference isnt something fully isolated

[pale cedar]

Did he know the labs exist or just the grains of sand?

[woven coyote]

The issue with twins was about looking like clones according to the kuria poem

[misty helm]

Yeah, that's kinda the point; if she doesn't reliably know much about the subjects she's dwelling on, then her lines on such are potentially irrelevant because she's basically an uninformed source of information (in this context and other hypothetical others).

[fast dew]

I mean. Rq has the wiki veen updated with the new lines

[pale cedar]

Probably not usually takes them a month or so

[fast dew]

Exploding them violently

[misty helm]

Palladino and Lotus's exchange in that quest?

[lean garden]

but uh... in this context, specifically tenno aging... she aint say nuthin

[misty helm]

Yes and no 😵‍💫 The reason I posed it, it's because how in her lines she assumed Rell should have aged without cryosleep

[pale cedar]

Well he should’ve

[lean garden]

which then is corroborated by a second source, making that "potentially irrelevant bit", well, irrelevant

[fast dew]

Can someone get a photo of Palladino rq i continually get reminded of her while playing the most recent doom game and i need to see her again

[lean garden]

'

[misty helm]

Hence why I put the whole argument of her not knowing about Wally not being a delusion, but a pretty real thing, already sheds a cloud of doubt in the weight of her assumption (given how she's not aware of how the Zariman kids became what they are and thus potentially ignoring the laws under which* their nature answer now)

[fast dew]

Oh yeah no im not insane okay hold on

[pale cedar]

You can be insane and correct

[dark compass]

You can also be sane and wrong

[fast dew]

Like

The witch is her but green

[pale cedar]

Loretubers on a regular

[dark compass]

What are these?

[fast dew]

Its doom the dark ages stuff, this is the witch, second antagonist in the game

.Technically the first cus we see her first but shes not the primary on

[misty helm]

Again, I'm nitpicking; but Palladino's words are exactly "In a way, he didn't. He knew his mortality would undo his purpose, so he gave up his humanity, forever. He committed his soul to the undying vessel"

[lean garden]

which then precludes aging because?

[misty helm]

I know it's a weak guess, given how even in the Old Peace we see the Operator bleeding, which clearly means they can be physically damaged

[lean garden]

And yknow, they can and have died

[misty helm]

Exactly

[lean garden]

but so can warframes

so if warframes can die, what would make a warframe "undying"

[misty helm]

Yes, but Warframes don't age

Hence the nature of my assumptions

[lean garden]

you realise youre shooting yourself in the foot if you want to copium tenno non-aging right

[misty helm]

Yes

[lean garden]

well at least you know lol

[misty helm]

I just like to theorize dumb stuff for the lols 🤷

[pale cedar]

I’m gonna do a reverse you
Look it’s Adis

[misty helm]

Keeps things interesting. At least to me

[fast dew]

No its a yellow jade

Smh

[tall echo]

the orb is too high up

[fast dew]

I cannot keep having this conversation hold on

If we were to have the orb on her stomach it would be exactly where it is there

The entire lower half isnt anything like a human, so the approximate location of the orb would be her stomach, if not just a bit lower

[misty helm]

A bit lower, ye'

[cunning ore]

this one give me the feel of Itzam more than Jade

[fast dew]

She is closer to Neci in personality

[cunning ore]

Wait, a she?

[fast dew]

Her entire species are very orokin-like

[cunning ore]

and even Neci?

[fast dew]

Technically. Her species doesnt really have gender, just. She chooses to present like this to further their religion

Genuinely the only time weve ever seen it

Even with past Khan maykrs, she is just an outlier

[fast dew]

Neci, Rulsalka. I use Neci for her cus its not as long for me to type

[cunning ore]

I know, cause Neci hot

really, she baddass, she hot to me

[fast dew]

Also side tangent

Is this a safe space to say this colour palette sucked ass 😭

[pale cedar]

Does whatever it’s called even have legs or feet based on that pic looks like it’s doing a Wisp

[fast dew]

No, not even legs

[fast dew]

She. Got really hurt here, and the flesh part is. Not particularly. Mm. Its supposed to happen but not like this

[misty helm]

Imho her entire design (backstory aside) was bad 👀

Just like Yareli

[fast dew]

Awh Yareli is fine!

[misty helm]

Yeah, I mean, it is what it is at the end of the day 🤷 Good enough, I guess

It's only I, personally, don't like much how in the case of Yareli the "kawaiiness" screws the whole Warframes-as-weapons-of-war trope

Just like anime putting lolis as knights or super-weapon-mechas or stuff like that... it takes away all the seriousness

[fast dew]

... but they weren't for war

And. Shes a teenager

Id hope shed hold onto some of the whimsy she had

[misty helm]

I mean, we have Mirage with the "trickster" theme. Difference being they did while keeping the lethality of warframes intact

[misty helm]

Well, they were designed to fight the sentients... they were pretty much for war

[fast dew]

No?

[misty helm]

Wdym?

[fast dew]

No. No. Some warframes were genuinely just done for. A bazillion reasons