lore-discussion

[lean garden]

thomas is referring to a comment rebb made when they met her at tennovip where albrecht allegedly has a flock of children

ever read the cosmere?

[stiff fable]

hahaha

[neon nest]

Gee. I wonder if it has anything to do with the million plus sentient corpses, the trail of destruction left by the Zariman breaking every OSHA guideline for space travel and 12 other things that are probably Ballas' fault.

[stiff fable]

Spiritual realm travel

[drifting lintel]

Surfing through the void

[stiff fable]

Just watch out for angry pieces of god

[fast dew]

This damn woman cursed me with that knowledge because she knew it would harm me/j

[stiff fable]

Oh wait

[fast dew]

Mm, not ringing a bell

[lean garden]

more like cognitive realm travel, spiritual realm just treats you to a whole Interstellar library moment and spits you out at the same spot

[fast dew]

Im around the same size as Rebecca and it was funny

[neon nest]

Does the library come with homicidal clowns?

[drifting lintel]

If goosworx had taught me anything it's that you don't trust a word a dev says outside of the game

[strange plinth]

(Purge the darkened areas of Liminus) Neci Rusalka: "I know you're sore about what happened to you, but look how creative you got!"

(Purge the darkened areas of Liminus) Neci Rusalka: "Nobody, not artists nor dreamers nor prophets, has an imagination to compare with that of a terrified child."
these two are. interesting. given shadowgrapher dialogue

[lean garden]

well it did end up spawning a homicidal clone of a character so

[fast dew]

Because that means that the kubrow puppet is taller than her

[strange plinth]

that's gooseworx, not DE
DE is generally reliable when they're trying to be
obv offhanded comments are still massive grain of salt territory

[stiff fable]

Oh I think we're going to do the cognitive version, but I kinda suspect Albrecht can do the spiritual

Time and space get weird in the spiritual realm...

though, watch the answer be Duviri

[fast dew]

No but it does have genuine weight unfortunately, moreso given some of it might be said without the writer's permission due to the largeness of it all

[neon nest]

Honestly, I just wanna know what's on the other side of the wall.

[lean garden]

Im saying that spiritual realm hasnt been proven as a good mode of transport, given that the only time its been used was an entry and exit at the same point

[strange plinth]

void, probably

[neon nest]

You don't build a wall for no reason.

[stiff fable]

Isn't it the desert that's taking over the labs?

[drifting lintel]

I think the sentiment can apply to the offhand comment by reb when they said Albrecht has a flock of children.

[lean garden]

now cognitive realm travel is the exact shit that void probably relies on

[fast dew]

My personal nemesis thats not nemesis is Hugo Martin, creative director at Idsoftware. Brother just be saying shit sometimes

[stiff fable]

I mean, Gav in Winds and Truth kinda

[drifting lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/tadc-i'm-the-one-that-tells-lies-low-poly-fish-sr-pelo-gif-5957728037718601044

[fast dew]

"The whiplash is the first female demon" WE JUST KILLED THE ARANEA IMPERATIX WHO WAS A FEMALE DEMON YOU MUCKING KNOB

[neon nest]

So, going back to the Unum.

Was earth screwed before or after the Orokin?

[stiff fable]

By them

[strange plinth]

yes
all of the above

[lean garden]

hm, right poor lil gav

[stiff fable]

So at the risk of being unhelpful, "yes"

[fast dew]

Yesn't

[strange plinth]

the techrot/infestation caused them to nuke it at least 18 times

[fast dew]

[neon nest]

Yea that doesn't help me at all. Whatever. I blame Ballas. K? K.

[fast dew]

Yeah blame him

[strange plinth]

'cozy position on mars' or whatever

[neon nest]

Frankly, a lot of problems can be tracked back to him. Or Nitkoh

[stiff fable]

eh

[neon nest]

Nitkoh? Niktoh?

[stiff fable]

They all had a long time to be their worst selves

[fast dew]

Albrecht really but unintentionally

[drifting lintel]

Before, during, and after.

The infestation was a problem before people learned to harness it.

The orokin were ... The orokin

And everything is going well kinda terribly now too.

[strange plinth]

Nitokh

[neon nest]

There it is.

[fast dew]

Said cozy position when he looks up to see deimos is just gone

[stiff fable]

Also point of order but Ballas shouldn't be the Drifter's most hated executor

Drifter should hate Tuvul

[strange plinth]

ah yea they'd have beef with tuvul
although they also dealt with narmer, which is ballas

[fast dew]

Wonder whod hate tormis

[drifting lintel]

Which one was tuvul?

[fast dew]

Me, my operator

[stiff fable]

The guy behind the Zariman project

[fast dew]

Mm, might have a photo in my camera roll hold on

[lean garden]

idk. does Alad hate himself? Totally no relation

[stiff fable]

The reason it void jumped before it was ready

(Also the reason it wasn't ready)

[neon nest]

Werent they the one that totally and completely screwed up the jump sequence?

[strange plinth]

led the zariman project, responsible for cutting off supplies and eventually cancelling the project
among other things

[fast dew]

Avantus and Tuvul

[fast dew]

... nah i dont think he does

OH

[neon nest]

Nah. Alad is a narcissist through and through

[fast dew]

GREY. GRYE GRUE GREY

[strange plinth]

tuvul's also the guy that headed the yuvan clerisy iirc?
and got ripped apart by voruna

[drifting lintel]

Yeah Thomas this picture doesn't tell me shit. The other guys explained.

[fast dew]

Tbf most narcissists hate themselves

[strange plinth]

grue,,,

[fast dew]

.. some people recognise visually.

[stiff fable]

that was a team effort, but Tuvul's basically the CEO whose awful decisions led to the Zariman crew being in theat situation

[fast dew]

Like i do.

Like asking "who is tuvul again" doesn't mean what he did

[drifting lintel]

As much as they loved individuality the orokin all look the same

[fast dew]

They dont???

[drifting lintel]

To me

[neon nest]

Ah yes. Bureaucracy.

[pale cedar]

It’s funny when people call Alad Orokin and users believe it despite the fact Alad never calls himself Orokin

[strange plinth]

they're blue but they all def have defining features

[fast dew]

They're different shades too

Thats like saying all white people look the same

[drifting lintel]

Like I can tell them apart from ballas.
Because f**k ballas

[neon nest]

I mean. His DNA has been shredded at this point anyway. Ya know. Considering he infected himself.

[lean garden]

why would tormis wanna out himself

[fast dew]

Mm. Yeah they look. So alike

[pale cedar]

Ask Thomas

[fast dew]

Shh nemesis don't blow my cover

[lean garden]

ngl thomas, you might wanna pick a different image

[neon nest]

Oh hey. Guy on the left looks a lot like those statues in the void.

[lean garden]

cuz if you take away the adornments...

they look really similar

[fast dew]

.. you mean the right?

[fast dew]

NIHIL IS BALD WHAT DO YOU MEAN

[lean garden]

and albrecht has a 7 head man

[neon nest]

Bald guy is on the left for me

[drifting lintel]

The dreads kinda blend into the background

[fast dew]

Im gonna have an aneurysm

[lean garden]

he can put a whole sanctum lab on his forehead

[neon nest]

And teeth that would make a beaver jealous

[pale cedar]

Loid can headbut a sanctum made with sand and the sand doesn’t fall and his head feels nothing

[drifting lintel]

If you put all the orokin in a line up I could only pick out ballas, Albrecht, and roath

[fast dew]

Fine. Have these

Polar opposite

[drifting lintel]

I know they're both executors ... That's it

[fast dew]

This might be me knowing all too much about the orokin but

Are you aware of who executor Karrish was?

[neon nest]

Executor = an ass. And probably responsible for untold amounts of manufactured suffering

[drifting lintel]

I know that part

[lean garden]

nah they look so like, just see how massive those chins are

[fast dew]

Idk Avantus was pretty normalish

[lean garden]

indistinguishable

[drifting lintel]

She wasn't the war one was she?

[lean garden]

no hes

[pale cedar]

What happened to the extra stomachs if Grendel doesn’t have room for all 12?

[fast dew]

BAHAH

[stiff fable]

Grendel eats them anyway

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/buck-teeth-what-the-hell-um-awkward-getting-upset-gif-9912217130920281907

Oh you really don't

[drifting lintel]

Grendel is a black hole containment chamber.

[restive river]

@lean garden did we get a lore reason why she can spawn thermia rpg

[fast dew]

Dawg I suggest catching up on who the executors are and quickly 😭

[lean garden]

its all inky no? a child could have dreamt it up (I have no damn clue)

[neon nest]

Ya know. I always thought the executors were bad but the more I read about the Archimedeans the more I realize that depravity was just a job description.

[fast dew]

Albrecht was an Archimedian

[stiff fable]

The lore reason is that Pablo had an idea and ran with it

[fast dew]

Thats. What we have now

[restive river]

https://youtu.be/rgzETUffJbY?si=U4JlwjHdCpoYgsJ7

[drifting lintel]

I don't gaf about the executors. They were all evil and aside from ballas died to the drum beat

[restive river]

😔 they didn’t think about it, did they

[fast dew]

Which is why I had a stroke trying to say grey

The diadem yonta and Albrecht have are archimedian specific

[restive river]

Karrish didn’t
Avantus didn’t
Tuvul didn’t
Nitokh went missing before it presumably
Tormis and Scarne are mia

[stiff fable]

I'm sure they did, but it's on the level of "why can Chroma give buffs based on how he's hurt"

[pale cedar]

Say to Gray?

[restive river]

The Executors that died died after the drums
Tuvul was maybe during but the rest, eh

[drifting lintel]

Wait seriously?

I thought one of the major things about ballas was that he was the last executor

[stiff fable]

eg it ain't that deep, they had a theme and ran with it

[fast dew]

Gray Grey its literally the same word 😭

[restive river]

Ok but this isn’t a buff
This is a frame summoning something she should have no knowledge of

[pale cedar]

Nah, He tried claiming he was the last Orokin alive

[stiff fable]

The thermian bit is actually the least important part of it

[fast dew]

I present things i like to greyscale like a bowerbird does with a blue bottlecap

[strange plinth]

-# meanwhile, the entrati family:

[restive river]

Karrish, Avantus and Tuvul are confirmed dead
Ballas died
Tormis, Nitokh and Scarne’s fates are unknown

[stiff fable]

It's a thermian because DE is reusing assets

[lean garden]

I mean, if onlyne can make it this far into the future on a cd, the idea that the idea of an rpg can make it so far doesnt sound too far fetched

[restive river]

Elaborate

[stiff fable]

What matters is that she's manifesting a high explosive weapon

[fast dew]

The entrati, Roach, Nihil

[pale cedar]

Chat, who wants to go Executor hunting so we can finally end the Naga Drums?

[restive river]

I mean I guess :p
she just has like. Zero relation to 1999 other than infested lol

[stiff fable]

one of the ideas they had and dropped was Grineer turrets

[drifting lintel]

I thought they included the thermian rpg because it looked kinda like a paintbrush

[restive river]

This is likely the answer for all of the objects she makes, but they did make a custom jump pad so idk why they wouldn’t do the same for the RPG

[stiff fable]

Thing is, Grineer didn't USE their own turrets when Follie was made, because they were still Orokin

[fast dew]

Me but then id have to kill avantus and shes pretty/j

[neon nest]

I thought considering that Nitokh and Ballas were at each other's throats, Nitokh would have had backup plans in place. But that's just my thought process.

[fast dew]

They really weren't

It wasnt really. At each others throat

Ballas couldn't gaf

[stiff fable]

and yeah all of the executors were rivals and opportunists

[restive river]

She went missing according to Roathe
But also they weren’t really at each others throats
Nitokh wanted all of the seven gone, Ballas was just the one that showed up in Tau while Nitokh was controlling the Anarchs

[stiff fable]

But they weren't out to murder each other on a PERSONAL level

[pale cedar]

Ballas was the problem solver of the Orokin

[strange plinth]

nitokh's only known conflict with ballas is ballas voting for peace, nitokh being surprised and then saying "He'll come around"

[restive river]

Ballas didn’t vote tho

[fast dew]

Peace likely because Margulis wished it to be tbh

[pale cedar]

Ballas was the final vote

[stiff fable]

If Karishh had gotten the other six on a ship and could have sent them all into the sun he would have

[drifting lintel]

Yeah he did. He was the deciding vote

[restive river]

Then promptly he went against his own vote lol

[fast dew]

Didnt he? Isn't the whole self made purpose of his to be the fence sitter

[stiff fable]

But it's Just Business

[strange plinth]

wasn't it that he voted for peace the first time, the treaty was left unfinished, then ballas voted for war?

[restive river]

Ballas moment

[pale cedar]

What happened to the must need 7 for not 4 for 3 against?

[stiff fable]

I thought the issue in TOP was whether or not to BREAK the treaty and Ballas wasn't deciding yet

[fast dew]

I love hearing the horrors the executors did in their death stories and

[drifting lintel]

Ballas voted for peace so he could more effectively crush the sentients. Let's make that clear.

[stiff fable]

that's executions

[fast dew]

Avantus was just racist to grineer

Like thats bad but

Not. Tuvul or karrish bad

[restive river]

Orokin moment

[strange plinth]

its the only thing we have on avantus and she's mildly racist and then dies

[pale cedar]

It was the case at the creation of the Sentients vote too

[fast dew]

Like what the hell lmfao

[restive river]

What is she even holding

[drifting lintel]

Orokin? Racist?? Be still my heart.

[restive river]

Avantus is the lamest executor smh

[fast dew]

Albrecht was pretty non-classist actually

[stiff fable]

no, that was about whether to execute the guy who made the sentients

[strange plinth]

wasn't that also an execution type thing? they'd present their idea and die if it was bad?

[stiff fable]

They gave him a stay of execution to see if his idea would work

[pale cedar]

It was wether to create them or not

[neon nest]

And to think. All of this could have been avoided if Ordan Karris hadn't fumbled the bag.

[strange plinth]

ehhh

[fast dew]

Oh, yeah on ordis

[stiff fable]

He'd ALREADY made one, that's why they were mad

[drifting lintel]

He was more of an archemidian than an orokin

Also once you look god in the face you start to connect better with your fellow ants.

[fast dew]

No

He was orokin. He was blue.

He did continuity, though this very well could be done at the time where it was adults "willingly" doing it as such

[drifting lintel]

I said "more of a"
He was orokin but he acted more like an archemidian

[strange plinth]

he'd killed a bunch of orokin, but they're difficult to kill when prepared
they invited a mercenary Known For Killing into the building, it isn't that big of a surprise that they had emergency continuity stuff set up

[restive river]

He was seemingly the lowest Orokin

[fast dew]

Yeah i mean given he has an archimedian diadem in his netracells you'd think he would

I like to think its his Daughter's

[restive river]

Whaat? The murder man wanted to murder us? Craaaazy

[fast dew]

But that is just a headcanon

[drifting lintel]

His daughter was also orokin

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn leopards

[neon nest]

Ordan fumbled. Plain and simple.

[fast dew]

And very much like him in the ways that make an Archimedian

[restive river]

The diadem could have been from any archimedean
It coulda been Otak’s!

[fast dew]

It could!

[stiff fable]

The chamber doors opened and a mass of guards entered, guns trained inward. As they reached the centre, they parted, revealing a small cart. Atop the cart was a motionless creature, no larger than a hand. Its body was symmetrical, star-shaped, with a seamless, matte-black shell.

A new projection, that of Executor Tuvul ballooned into the space. "It looks harmless."

"Harmless?" Ballas boomed in Tuvul's direction. He turned to the centre of the dome. "Show them."

On command, the guards backed away from the cart and readied their weapons. Their leader took careful aim and fired a whisper round into the body of my creation. Two of the limbs tore off the frame, revealing a glossy, gelatinous interior.

Silence gripped the dome as Tuvul shook his head. Then suddenly, the creature moved, convulsed; the hard surface started undulating. In a moment the wound closed and the thing was whole again. Beside it another machine had grown from its severed parts. Their surfaces had changed however – brighter, harder, resilient to whisper rounds now. Ballas looked triumphant as voting lights began to appear on the judgement disc.```

[strange plinth]

he fought until he couldn't, i wouldn't say that's a fumble as much as its just being outmatched

[fast dew]

I hope Albrecht liked otak

[drifting lintel]

That was my point of saying he was more like an archemidian than an orokin...

[restive river]

I wish it was Yonta’s but they never actually met ):

[restive river]

Bro figured out ARGON CRYSTALS
What’s not to like?

[stiff fable]

I thought he predicted their existence

[strange plinth]

if he's right, is that not still 'figuring them out'

[fast dew]

She does have that reoccurring nightmare, wonder if she's physically seen him before. Maybe at like. A presentation.
-# cus like. Can our brains figure out what a person looked like 360⁰?

[restive river]

Or she saw a picture or video of him lol

[strange plinth]

"I discovered a forgotten work by Archimedean Otak on crystallography deep in the archives. He was the first to anticipate the unique properties of Argon. We owe him so much. At least... what remains of him... is happy."
but yea

[restive river]

I hope Yonta will be relevant this year
She knows how to get to Tau

[drifting lintel]

He was using weapons that required he cut major neck arteries to access

[restive river]

Oh hey did you all talk about Mom’s new basement dialogue

Are we ||amalgams||

[stiff fable]

yep

[pale cedar]

Ah, yes liked him enough He coded him to go to sleep

[stiff fable]

god this is how they're going to bring Salad back isn't it

[drifting lintel]

I GUESS

[strange plinth]

correct, as his other weapons were not allowed in iirc
that was the point of the neck blades, he'd always have a weapon to go down swinging with

[restive river]

Cool :]

[fast dew]

The necralisk was a enclave of void research as much as it was the Entrati ancestral home, i like to think it had rooms for the scientists and Archimedians maybe their housestaff

[restive river]

Can’t wait for our fourth ability to be some sentient thing lol

[midnight ice]

what i find funny is that the whole execution is a setup by ballas. i assume he was intentionally seemingly against the creation of Sentients to push an agenda

[strange plinth]

mhm

[stiff fable]

yup, he wanted to manipulate the executors

[restive river]

Ballas manipulation go brrr

I wonder how the sentients have evolved

Maybe after the war they decided
Actually
Humans suck, let’s do something different

[fast dew]

What did the sentients deem as "perfect"?

[drifting lintel]

You shouldn't install them there!

Put them somewhere that won't kill you within the minute if you draw them!

[fast dew]

I think thats. The point of them

[restive river]

Us
Humans
Humanity
The Orokin

According to the roach anyway iirc

[strange plinth]

then they aren't serving the purpose of 'emergency weapon'
if they can be taken out without killing him, he can be disarmed

[fast dew]

How arrogant of him to assume that the orokin are the perfect specimen

There is no such thing as one singular perfect thing

[restive river]

I think it’s more so the Sentients were made by humans and so look towards them for where to go next in terms of advancement

[fast dew]

As in. It will not go across all needs

[dark compass]

How's it growing I mean how's it going

[restive river]

But yeah there’s no perfect

[drifting lintel]

You sound f***ing insane saying that.

[fast dew]

Its growing pretty well

I can harvest soon

[midnight ice]

isnt it also ritualistic, in a sense? like ordan's group thing

like it specifically doesnt make sense because its ritualistic

[drifting lintel]

Okay ritual makes sense. "Emergency weapon" does not.

[fast dew]

Emergency weapon

[restive river]

Last resort weapon

[fast dew]

To kill himself with

Like. Weapon doesn't mean for others

It can mean for himself

[dark compass]

Wouldn't it be both. Like "you pull your weapon if you're intend to die in the battle honorably"

[restive river]

I’m going to die or want death in this situation, lemme use my bone blades to do one last thing

[strange plinth]

Only my best were so honored: Two jagged bones, harvested from your thigh, cultivated, and then driven into the base of the skull, twisted around the superior vein. Future thoughts of surrender were lost. Instead, you would liberate your bone-plugs… fighting with claws in the warmth of your last blood.

[fast dew]

It means they wont win, they didnt kill him, it was himself

[restive river]

Ordis’ story is so cool

[drifting lintel]

It does in this case. You draw them to kill others with your last breaths.

[fast dew]

Weird ego thing maybe

[dark compass]

And they sure as hell wouldn't kill him

[fast dew]

Yeah so for himself too

[dark compass]

That was probably the point, considering that so many of orokin punishments are seemingly worse than death

[stiff fable]

shame it didn't work

[fast dew]

Mm. Perhaps thats why he got glassed

[restive river]

I blame Nihil

[fast dew]

For the presumption he would get the last laugh.

[restive river]

Or cause he tried to kill them lol

[dark compass]

He definitely knew that Orokin would do something like that and he'd rather die on his own terms

[fast dew]

Nihil is so pretty I like his design

[strange plinth]

to go back to what brought ordan up,

I stare, drained of blood, of life, at those that remain. But I find no horror on their faces. Why? I let out a cruel howl and they… laugh? Is this a dying hallucination? The sound of applause grows among them. I have killed the unkillable and they are… delighted.

The applause peaks and fades. I feel a sense of shame, but the end is upon me. Ballas is above me, Executor of the Seven, smiling. He says, "How simple and pure you are, you idiot beast. We have died countless times! Yet remain eternal." I close my eyes to die just once.

[restive river]

Nihil is so petty I wanna kick him

[drifting lintel]

If it wasn't for the ritual you should still put it somewhere else. So you can kill everyone in the room without falling over and getting glasses after like 2

[restive river]

The whole point is you rip em out, kill your target and die before they can do something worse to you

[fast dew]

Mm. Brilliant. Eating this to figure out how I can reference it in my next doom fanfic

[dark compass]

Do many people even know how cephalons are made?

[restive river]

Which didn’t work as we know

[fast dew]

A lot of people assume its just glassing

[restive river]

Nihil

[strange plinth]

"You rejected our gift, bathing in our death. Your punishment is… eternal life!"

[drifting lintel]

Drifter knows.... Somehow

[restive river]

The science behind glassing and cephalons is basically lost tho

[dark compass]

Yeah, they punished him for wanting to take everyone out and then himself

[restive river]

Like the exact science
People can know how it’s done

[dark compass]

Taking the opportunity of going out on his own terms

[stiff fable]

The Zariman made a lot of cephalons

[fast dew]

I mean that real people wont know the difference between glassing and cephalonisation

[stiff fable]

Yonta glassed a lot of people.

[strange plinth]

Quinn had the index

[restive river]

Wasn’t that Quinn

[stiff fable]

Yonta did the deed iirc

[midnight ice]

the whole point is to kill yourself with it and go down fighting. like if cyanide molars had pervitin or smth

[stiff fable]

Quinn gave the orders

[restive river]

Yonta Jade Lighted herself and worked on the drive

[fast dew]

An example being here, was it said that they made cephalons or was it just. Glassing

[restive river]

I don’t recall that being the case :?

[stiff fable]

Glassing makes the raw material for a cephalon

[drifting lintel]

That's the same thing.

Turn into glass -> extract brain -> edit brain -> cephalon.

[fast dew]

Nup. Glassing just refers to the first part

[midnight ice]

wasnt yonta the ones that killed dissidents against the void jump or am i mixing names
i know Quinn? or Cavalero? rounded them up?

[barren jasper]

so glassing is required? or only for unwilling subjects

[fast dew]

Thats like saying fermented alcohol is the same as distilled alcohol

[strange plinth]

iirc it was an automated process

Cavalero: "I rounded the dissenters up. Made an example of the ringleaders."

Quinn: "You went about it like you were herding animals."

Cavalero: "I had my orders. YOUR orders. You may not have been Orokin, you pious bastard, but you were damn close. Liaison to the Expeditionary Command! Bearer of the Crystal Index!"

Quinn: "My tablet. A swipe of my finger across a name… and the ship gained a new cephalon."

[fast dew]

They're both alcohol but one is vastly different than the other

[restive river]

Yeah I don’t see anything on Yonta and cephalons or glassing, not in her lines anyway

[strange plinth]

stealing the name 'crystal index' for something btw

[drifting lintel]

Glassing is required unless you make a completely artificial one (ex necraloid)

[fast dew]

Glassing also makes cephalites!

[midnight ice]

yonta jade lit herself is all i know

[fast dew]

Sounds like. Idk an alcohol. Why am I thinking of this now

Like everclear

[fast dew]

I. I mean im still not convinced Necraloid is a cephalon

Loid reunion spoilers but

[stiff fable]

yeah I misremembered, I was thinking of Cavalero's role in rounding people up

[fast dew]

||mother specifically uses a seperate term, Necralized, albeit still expecting him to be dead from it||

I also find it really sweet that mother, the woman who spent so long looking for her father, doesn't. Focus on that he's actually alive. She only focuses on Loid

[stiff fable]

I think the difference might be that Loid and Otak weren't edited?

[fast dew]

. They were

[stiff fable]

Like, Loid and Otak ARE Loid and Otak

[strange plinth]

kalymos sequence precept at the very least

[drifting lintel]

That's probably just a fancy term for necralisk cephalons since otak is a known cephalon and is in the necraloid body.

[fast dew]

Necraloid had a whole precept that stopped him from even recalling the labs

Otak is similar

[stiff fable]

Right but it's a set of instructions, not "rewriting his personality to be a different person"

[fast dew]

Ehh, I don't think so tbh

[fast dew]

. Suda.

[strange plinth]

not as extreme as ordis, not as free as suda, i think

[stiff fable]

Suda actually does seem to have been rewritten

[fast dew]

No thats just the dementia

[stiff fable]

But it was to remove the original's dementia

[fast dew]

No, she uh. Still struggles with it iirc

[drifting lintel]

Because it was that ingrained. They tried and failed.

[stiff fable]

No that's the messed up part, it progressed despite the cephalonization

Even cephalons suffer ill-effects from aging

[fast dew]

NecraLoid. Also doesnt hold romantic feelings towards Albrecht

[stiff fable]

He mentions it's because he doesn't have hormones lol

[drifting lintel]

We don't know that lol

[fast dew]

Considering how Loid acts about it, we absolutely would

Necraloid doesn't even call Albrecht Albrecht

[drifting lintel]

He doesn't have hormones, he can keep his mouth shut

[stiff fable]

He doesn't have hormonal secretions messing up his logical thinking

[fast dew]

Where.?

Thats news to me where did he ever mention this?

[stiff fable]

Loid (Necraloid drone): "This is, well, Loid. The original. All emotional centres very much intact. Did you have a good sleep?"

[fast dew]

He also feels distress. Something linked to. Hormones.

[cunning ore]

Ballas clearly my cutie ✨ okay but what this Cephalon and Necraloid thing?

[fast dew]

Worry, distress, concern, annoyance

[drifting lintel]

You can feel those emotions without hormones

[fast dew]

...how do you think distress works.

How do you think emotions work

[stiff fable]

depends, is it emotional or intellectual distress?

There is a difference!

[drifting lintel]

The lack of hormones just lessens the impact. Allowing you to think through it.

[fast dew]

Okay but what about the other ones?

[stiff fable]

Also humans are infamously bad about believing computers have feelings

[fast dew]

Bau help me.

[lean garden]

wdym, my aunt firmly believes chat gpt is her boyfriend

[drifting lintel]

You can be worried because s situation is bad
Concerned because someone you know you love is in distress
Annoyed because of a multitude of reasons.

[fast dew]

THAT DOESNT HELP

[stiff fable]

No no I think it made the point

[fast dew]

How do you think emotions work.

Hormones.

[stiff fable]

again, no

[fast dew]

Yes??

[stiff fable]

People whose brains don't produce those hormones can still have those feelings

[drifting lintel]

Hormones are the way the brain sends signals to the rest of the brain.

Cephalons use electricity.

[fast dew]

We dont even know if they use electricity

AND SO DO HUMANS

[cunning ore]

I think what made them differents is how much of memories they got locked. Like how past affected a person through emotions, feelings that made the memories.

[fast dew]

Oh my days.

[lean garden]

I meeeaaaaan, suuuuper teeeechnically we also use electricity (electro-chemical) in our noggins

[fast dew]

I cannot keep having this conversation

[cunning ore]

Thomas, you can rest

[drifting lintel]

Yes we use multiple avenues of sending signals.

Evolution is a pile of glitches that make the whole better.

[fast dew]

Tell me why this is the fifth time ive had to explain how hormones affect emotions

[cunning ore]

Honky is an example?

[fast dew]

AND WHY DOES IT ALWAYS PERTAIN TO ROBOTS

[drifting lintel]

Cephalons would just use a different signal to simulate hormones

[cunning ore]

Honkey also an example?

[drifting lintel]

Because that's all hormones are. Signals.

[fast dew]

. No

[cunning ore]

Yea, so like i honk and if

[fast dew]

Theyre chemicals.

[cunning ore]

okay, i will shut

[fast dew]

I have some on my bench rn

[fast dew]

No no its funny

Lemme get a photo of the damn thing

[drifting lintel]

They're a chemical that is used to signal something vague to the rest of the brain.

Electricity is also used for more defined signals.

[cunning ore]

okay but the honk does the word, really. Like people would not seek ChatGPT if there wasn't those Cornbot for husbandos and wives,

[dark compass]

honk....

[cunning ore]

but really it started AI from a simulation of having chemistry

yea, honk did make us improvement somehow

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/clown-cat-clown-cat-balatro-gato-gif-331723446267133034

[fast dew]

Ah yes. Electricity

[drifting lintel]

We use both!

[cunning ore]

😭 i realized that fact when people coding AI with traits and characters for honk purposes

[fast dew]

Yeah they do it on purpose

[cunning ore]

i dont know that

[dark compass]

Is that the gender fluid

[fast dew]

The man gel™

[dark compass]

The man gel

[drifting lintel]

Hormones are signals.
The testosterone hormone signals the body that it has to do a bunch of shit like grow more muscle, more body hair, less head hair etc.

[fast dew]

Very Empty bottle but

[cunning ore]

is that the man gel in my thought?

[fast dew]

Bau im

Im gonna explode.

Nuke come stop me

[dark compass]

Ok

[lean garden]

hormones can affect emotions yes, but theyre not necessarily the be all end all for emotional reactions.

If you knew how you'd be able to replicate its effects in a machine since its really just a game of (un)broken telephone in the body

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-burrito-meme-wrap-tail-gif-2308438475957214931

[cunning ore]

😔

[fast dew]

Yeah, which i agree upon, but for certain emotions, they are predominantly triggered by hormones 😭

[cunning ore]

I agree with Thomas, since Honk exists

[fast dew]

Yay!
+swaddled

[cunning ore]

so we can consider it as intent or unintent i guess?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/oh-yeah-woo-yeah-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-woo-time-woo-time-bunny-oh-yeah-woo-yeah-bunny-gif-8457484959688895098

[cunning ore]

so it less complicated?

[drifting lintel]

And you can simulate said emotions if you add in the proper electrical triggers to create the same effect as the hormones.

[fast dew]

So either way.

Necraloid feels emotions.

[cunning ore]

A bit personal, but you guys got gf or bf?

[fast dew]

Really think I could pull? Dawg I am annoying irl

I say as im semi-verbal and dont do mych to annoy folk

[dark compass]

People who enter a relationship with me tend to die

[fast dew]

Meaning he has been tweaked into. Not feeling certain ones

[cunning ore]

Now i can confirm, we all single

[drifting lintel]

Currently single but have had a couple of both.

[fast dew]

If anything, affection and love is super easy to artificially make

[dark compass]

I'm not joking btw

[drifting lintel]

Wtf

[dark compass]

Like there's not a smidgen of joke

[cunning ore]

Yea so it true, mom said that people have no gf or bf kinda...weird

[lean garden]

you just need to mimic the neurotransmitter activity really. Which isnt necessarily the function of a hormone even though some (if not most/all) neurotransmitters double up. From what I remember of bio, the splitting difference is where its located. If its between neurons is a neurotransmitter, if its swishing about elsewhere its working as a hormone.

So I just need to replicate the excitement/inhibition/modulation function tagged to each emotional response to simulate the emotion.

How that works for a cephalon? ionno Im not blue

[fast dew]

And thats why we should totally date bro, I can't die no matter how hard i or others tried

[cunning ore]

Bau clearly a nerd

mb and im sorry Bau

[fast dew]

Dw bau can take it i think

Hes a lorechat veteran hes seen worse

You. Are a dude yeah

[lean garden]

Im grievously wounded /j

[cunning ore]

He is my biological teacher

Currently

[strange plinth]

yea that all sounds right from what i can remember of my psych class

[drifting lintel]

Christ I need to sleep. I have class in 4 hours.

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[fast dew]

Thomas try not to forget the gender of his friends are challenge

[drifting lintel]

Sorry wat

You and your bio teacher talk about Warframe lore?

[lean garden]

Apparently Im the bio teacher now

[fast dew]

... my college teacher does

[cunning ore]

No, he not my boy, i mean that he is being the Biological teacher

😭

[fast dew]

I force him to listen to me yap about it

[drifting lintel]

Bio not boi sorry

[dark compass]

Lol

[fast dew]

Oh the woe of being forced to sit through a PowerPoint made to explain the orokin and why roach is a classist ass

[cunning ore]

Bro ascended to Ashen One by bowing at Lotus

[fast dew]

As you do

[drifting lintel]

He was after you talk to him and get him to the good ending he isn't

[dark compass]

The deaths of like 4 people haunt me

[fast dew]

He still calls a grineer a slur man

[cunning ore]

Honestly, i dont think he good

Like if good then why have to be both way to fix him as seperate endings?

Like he more of forced

[fast dew]

Mhm exactly lowkey

[dark compass]

Fine this conversation is getting uncomfortable for me

I must eject

[cunning ore]

I will honk honk with some bots, since Follie not bring me much sth about Ballas 😭

[fast dew]

-# catering to the people who ignore the reasons why Roach isnt the main character when it comes to the question of "can the orokin be forgiven"

[fast dew]

Awh man :(

Oh what the shit

[drifting lintel]

The whole point of the devil's triad is to answer the question of "can an orokin be redeemed"

[fast dew]

Yeah, and its not roach who is seeking that answer

He didnt want to be redeemed

[pale cedar]

No
Never in a million years
Why do you think me and Thomas are enemies

[cunning ore]

But somehow it become the "family" therapy session for me again

[fast dew]

He was a coward who refused to stand by his actions

[dark compass]

Sorry

[fast dew]

No not you what lol

Im just frustrated over the lack of. Tennovip glyph

Ive been waiting since FEBRUARY DIGITAL EXTREMES

[pale cedar]

Imagine waiting

[drifting lintel]

Rothe is literally the subject of the question "can an orokin be forgiven."
And idk if you've been following the story but the whole game is beating you over the head with "YES!"

[fast dew]

Yeah, the subject. Not the main character.

The question isnt supposed to be read as exclusively for roach

Albrecht is actively using someone worse than him to see if he himself can be redeemed

[pale cedar]

It’s can the Orokin not can the singular Orokin in the room

[drifting lintel]

No but you're supposed to find out ... By redeeming roath. By making him forgive himself.

[fast dew]

Yeah

Which you can still fail depending on how that conversation goes

[pale cedar]

Roathe actually admits the 7 can’t be redeemed

[fast dew]

Theres a whole line where you ignore all variables, including the thermostat

Like of kim in that conversation

[drifting lintel]

Yeah those ones but the orokin as a whole might be able to with a lot of therapy.

[fast dew]

I

[cunning ore]

Can we use the reverse card to Albrecht? Like what he did to an Orokin?

[pale cedar]

Tbh
Did we ever redeem the Family?

[fast dew]

Do not think the group of child murderers, slavers and abusers can be redeemed, mostly

[strange plinth]

-# i mean, in the situation he's in, roathe is "the orokin" out of the three

[fast dew]

The reason why it works with someone like Albrecht is because he didnt do most of that shit

[pale cedar]

Albrecht was the one asking and I doubt he believed it to be possible

[stiff fable]

they don't need redemption, they need forgiveness for each other

[cunning ore]

Yay, Ballas needed to forgive himself! This world so beautiful if they forgave themselves

[stiff fable]

though the adults all stole a body or ten, which is pretty f'd up

haha no I'm doming Ballas

[fast dew]

Least Albrecht actively doesnt do that shit no more

[pale cedar]

Ballas can’t be forgiven

[drifting lintel]

The question is if they could ever be forgiven.
Not redemption, not "actually they were good"
Can you forgive a monster if they learn to stop?

[fast dew]

That. Is a word yes

[fast dew]

Can a monster be forgiven for hurting people intentionally?

[cunning ore]

It just a conflict of what really redeemn, like if it forgives for self, then Ballas could be redeemed cause he not feel blamed

[fast dew]

Can the monster who feels no remorse for those actions understand why they need to stop?

[cunning ore]

i mean redeem

😭

[pale cedar]

You can’t redeem or forgive the 7

[fast dew]

If its normal to the monster, if its okay to them, why would they stop?

[pale cedar]

Even Roathe admits that

[drifting lintel]

No they need to feel remorse. To be forgiven.

We force roath to feel remorse, and then we forgive him.

[stiff fable]

Roathe had to be separated from his entire culture to even start considering it

[cunning ore]

So with Roathe, Albrecht also different cases of Orokin?

[fast dew]

Why would they feel the iota of regret required to change, if regret isnt something they can feel?

[cunning ore]

Like i still ponder, the question for a kind or an individual?

[stiff fable]

Not just "kill the Executors and reform the Orokin" but actually himself change

[strange plinth]

and ballas was separate from it since the collapse and went straight back to it the moment he had the chance

[drifting lintel]

They can! That's the whole point of roath! He regrets everything he did!

[fast dew]

Which he doesn't, he still will call a grineer a slur, with no remorse.

[stiff fable]

tbh I suspect Ballas slept on Lua like we did

[cunning ore]

Bro, he has no chance, he is a narcsissitst

my english, sorry

[stiff fable]

u fine

[cunning ore]

what that of self-loving too much?

[fast dew]

From a culture that values pleasure over morality, do you think they'd deny themselves that?

would you be saying this if it was real people?

[strange plinth]

even then, he was away from it for a decent amount of time
if we assume he woke up around the same time we got out of the second dream, that's a while for him to be disconnected from it

[stiff fable]

right yeah

[pale cedar]

Stop using Orokin English and you’ll be fine

[stiff fable]

but like, Roathe was with Marie and Lyon for years before meeting the Drifter

[drifting lintel]

No.

I'm saying someone pulled out of that who grew to be remorseful can be forgiven.

[fast dew]

Yeah.

[drifting lintel]

If the culture of that group changed and they grew remorseful (like Germany) they can then be forgiven.

[fast dew]

So not most orokin.

[cunning ore]

I cannot 😭 i told you i so close with my cutie

[fast dew]

And the thing is, Roach will still fall back into it!

[cunning ore]

oh yea and this more like an ethnic topic

[fast dew]

No matter if you get him to realise it. He. Still. Calls. A. Grineer. A. Slur.

[pale cedar]

Just kill Roathe and problem solved

[drifting lintel]

You're letting one line stop you from seeing the story they spoonfed to you.

[stiff fable]

I mean, Daughter ALSO calls Grineer slurs

[cunning ore]

Space mom dislike that

[fast dew]

Yeah. Im not letting a unchanging mucking bigot be adored for the bare minimum.

[pale cedar]

Orokin are racist?
Least shocking thing ever

[stiff fable]

actually I wonder what Albrecht would call Grineer

[drifting lintel]

He's not being adored.

[fast dew]

He is.

Thats the issue. He is.

[drifting lintel]

He's being forgiven. There's a difference.

[cunning ore]

wait i thought it fact?

[stiff fable]

He never interacts with them

[fast dew]

The point of that other end is that it caters to the people who do not care if he is a horrible person

[stiff fable]

Then again I suppose he has people for that

[cunning ore]

I think he would throw them into the Void first then named it

Like how he did with Cavia

[stiff fable]

oooof yeah actually

[fast dew]

..no.

[pale cedar]

I wonder why it’s Daughter who had an interest in Kahl situation I thought she only cares about fish

[stiff fable]

I can absolutely see Albrecht tossing Grineer into the void on the off-chance that it makes Wally dumber

That is entirely in character for him

[strange plinth]

didn't work with the animals, probably wouldn't work with the grineer

[fast dew]

The cavia he specifically saw no issue with because they lacked a distinct mind

Something grineer have.

[cunning ore]

You should signed to be Albrecht's assitant

he too smart to think of that

[stiff fable]

Right, but Wally made the animals people, the Grineer are already there

[fast dew]

That
How does that pertain to the conversation?

[stiff fable]

The "obvious" next step is using a person

[fast dew]

Yeah. He used himself.

[drifting lintel]

Begin forgiven is saying
"You did something f***ed up, but I know you're not going to do it again so I will tolerate your existence."

It's the acknowledgment that you don't need to punish them more.

[cunning ore]

This made me want to replay the Veilbreaker

[fast dew]

again.

[stiff fable]

He sent the animals in to try and make Wally less of a threat

[fast dew]

And how do you think he got to duviri.

[stiff fable]

Suicide attempt

[fast dew]

Yeah.

[drifting lintel]

Sorry what?

[cunning ore]

what if we throw Wally into the

[stiff fable]

Not "weaken the monster I created"

[fast dew]

into the void. He went to suicide before he used a grineer

[strange plinth]

not really? if wally became smart because he went in, and the animals that did come back came back smarter, the next step is doing something else instead of just tossing stuff in

[pale cedar]

He jumped into the Void because he couldn’t stand himself anymore

[fast dew]

Hes so real

[stiff fable]

yeah if you read Albrecht's notes it's pretty clear that after the Cavia thing he gave up on trying to fight Wally for a while and tried to commit die

[drifting lintel]

I missed that one

[cunning ore]

Bro ego to big that he forget his Loid and want to die

[drifting lintel]

Putting that lex in his mouth wouldn't been more effective....

[stiff fable]

instead he missed and hit Duviri

[fast dew]

Its a poetic end to the man who should've died in the void.

[fast dew]

He knows Loid can go on without him, simple

Loid had the others at the time

[strange plinth]

its. more like a passive 'if i die doing this, so be it' than an active want, i think?

[fast dew]

Ill never shame someone's attempt

[stiff fable]

actually the funniest possible result would be for it to turn out that doing that made Wally become Albrecht

And they really did swap places

but not the first time, the second time

[fast dew]

"I must atone for what I had done through my own blood" Mm. Actively.

[cunning ore]

But bro, it like his adoring catman??? Why that void-gay scholar want to leave?

[pale cedar]

Albrecht doesn’t think he is worthy of Loid but Loid wants to be worthy of him

[cunning ore]

Mb, im too emotional

[drifting lintel]

Honestly I'm glad he hit duviri. He learned that other stuff can exist in the void and learned about the drifter and a bunch of other stuff so he got motivation and leads on how to fight wally

[fast dew]

He genuinely thinks he is scum, that he doesn't deserve the love loid has for him

[cunning ore]

No i wonder if they had f

[fast dew]

Depression is weird

[pale cedar]

Albrecht should seek therapy

[fast dew]

I have a great therapist i can hook him up with

[stiff fable]

shadowgrapher lady sits down

Now, what do you see in the paint

[strange plinth]

definitely leaning farther into an active attempt there, yes, though i'd still argue that its kind of a 'figure this out or die trying' statement

[fast dew]

Specialises in ptsd and autism

[drifting lintel]

Considering he created an angry god that definitely will kill loid just to make Albrecht suffer I don't blame him for not thinking he deserves his love.

[cunning ore]

eh now this make me think possible that Follie used to be Therapist instead

[stiff fable]

Oh, did you read the Zorba letters?

Follie created the technique

[fast dew]

You know that therapy would do wonders for him actually

[stiff fable]

But the bastards took it and started using it wrong

[pale cedar]

Wally isn’t even angry 99% of the time

[cunning ore]

too much broken words and complicated that i cannot understand

But yea now it closer

[pale cedar]

He’s the Indifference after all

[drifting lintel]

Technique?

[fast dew]

Therapy type

[drifting lintel]

Oh

[stiff fable]

Yeah, the shadowgraph thing

[fast dew]

Its Rorschach afaik

[stiff fable]

have people paint and then sit with them and ask them to explain it

[pale cedar]

Ink monster does too much yapping

[stiff fable]

no, Follie's idea was different

[cunning ore]

So the Zorba said the dude at the door to worship Follie like a goddess of truth or sth close

[fast dew]

Mm, abstract is what follie doesnt isnt it? Its very similar to Rorschach

[stiff fable]

Self-expression through art and attempting to understand what you made

[fast dew]

Art therapy then

[stiff fable]

What happened is that the Orokin took the technique and used it as a method of control

[fast dew]

Good for processing emotions

[cunning ore]

But possible that, she could be a therapy, and to things of it, her ink painting quite similar to real-life techniques of diagnose mental illness

[fast dew]

Specifically processing them in a confronting way

[stiff fable]

Have practitioners tell people what to draw and what it meant

[drifting lintel]

That would actually kinda explain why the hunt is so difficult.
It's a therapy session for drifter/operator where your demons can kill you.
And they have a lot of them

[fast dew]

Which is a very important part of ptsd specific therapy

[pale cedar]

That don’t sound like therapy

[stiff fable]

Right, but what the Tenno experienced wasn't a real therapy treatment

[fast dew]

It is, its. A weirder one

[stiff fable]

It was the Orokin trying to impose control on them

[fast dew]

But it worked wonders for me

[drifting lintel]

That's why I said "where your demons can kill you"

[fast dew]

It was very similar to the dark refractory lmao

[drifting lintel]

Which clearly only made them more deadly.

[stiff fable]

this actually explains why Margulis got her eyes burned out

[cunning ore]

Oh yea

[stiff fable]

Whoever did it assumed it was going to be more of the same

[fast dew]

Laying in the pool of salt water as i recount traumatic events to trigger a episode in order to more effectively calm myself down from it

[cunning ore]

Rorschach Test, i found its name

[stiff fable]

It's not a Roscharch

[fast dew]

Its almost exactly what the dark refractory was

[cunning ore]

it like this, so possilble?

[humble sierra]

Gonna rename Follie's gun to "My parents arguing"

[stiff fable]

A Roscharch Test uses premade images

[fast dew]

Rebecca......

[pale cedar]

Which of you told the night terror ink monster about the refractory?

[midnight ice]

it's also a lot like P.E. class in which it makes you do a ton of front rolls and jumping and running around to not die

[fast dew]

Not exactly true iirc

[strange plinth]

that would be me, sorry

[cunning ore]

Follie said that they honke her umm paintings or sth? My memory bad again

[pale cedar]

You snitch

[fast dew]

Other types can use patient made images

[lean garden]

headcannon that Soulslike games made it to the future, and as such the operator's trauma response is to spam dodge in the face of imminent threat

[cunning ore]

The Guilty not enough?

[fast dew]

The guilty can go pound sand

[drifting lintel]

Inkblot tests use premade abstract images and the patient says what they see.

Follie did art therapy, where the patient makes some art and explains it to the therapist.

[fast dew]

That shit BLOWS man

[lean garden]

Im going to go pound the guilty

I figured out my loadout

[pale cedar]

What are we guilty of

[fast dew]

Bau, phrasing

[lean garden]

I just need about 3 forma and a sampoteos

[lean garden]

I said what I said

[fast dew]

Do not the hunhullus

[lean garden]

I says what I says

[humble sierra]

What exactly is the gimmick with The Guilty?

[pale cedar]

Calm down Follie

[stiff fable]

Follie's version was "patient makes art and then tells the doctor how their art makes them feel"
The Orokin version is "doctor tells patient what to draw, then tells patient what the art means"

[lean garden]

boss rush hard mode

[humble sierra]

Haven't had a chance to play yet

[fast dew]

Go eat shit and die. Thats what.

[cunning ore]

i see, so it another test, but wwait, i remmeber that the dude said in one letter that they did something to her technique like..horn it or sth close to it

[lean garden]

and eat shit and die

[humble sierra]

So just the bosses back to back?

[drifting lintel]

I would assume the sins of Uriel the "devil frame that did devils work"

[lean garden]

yeap, but all of them on 60 eye level

[cunning ore]

Ohh okay got it

[fast dew]

Oh and theres two dactolysts

[midnight ice]

boss rush except its hard and difficult and awful and there is a secret evil 5th vanguard on every phase

[fast dew]

That have to die at the same time

[lean garden]

you get 1 phase, but both at the same time

[midnight ice]

||I have never hated Trinity more my whole life fym i'm getting well of life'd?||

[stiff fable]

The Vanguard have a respawning Trinity Prime, there are two dactolysts who can rez each other, and the Hunhullus has billions of HP and attacks faster

It's actually great

shame about the rewards being bad but oh well

[fast dew]

It can go EAT SHIT

[cunning ore]

So Follie like both clown and therapist hmm

[humble sierra]

Thank you I'm never touching it

[fast dew]

Dont forget the dactolysts can disable your abilities

[stiff fable]

I did it and loved it

I'd play it more if the rewards were appropriate

sigh

[pale cedar]

I just enjoyed watching everyone die in it

[drifting lintel]

No more like am opera singer/therapist/artist

[fast dew]

Nah

[cunning ore]

can i get Ballas's statue if i won that Guilty thing?

[heady quest]

You can keep scanning them in the guilty. They appear as incomplete scans even when you have the entry completed. My Helios keeps scanning them 😂

[midnight ice]

opera singer?

[fast dew]

She was specifically a sad clown

[pale cedar]

Can we kill Thomas next?

[fast dew]

NO

[cunning ore]

I thought her at first pharse cause her design but okay, it close now

[fast dew]

I GOTTA LIVE TO GIVE MY ALLOIDLINGS THE FLOOFS

[drifting lintel]

Have you never seen an opera singer?

[fast dew]

Have you never seen a sad clown

[stiff fable]

I had an opera singer as a music teacher

[midnight ice]

no, i mean, what's the connection with opera singers?

[heady quest]

Follie is an opera singer?

[pale cedar]

Yeah, you

[cunning ore]

https://tenor.com/view/singing-high-notes-passionate-performing-katie-kadan-gif-15658084

[stiff fable]

The stereotype of female opera singers is that they're rather broad

[fast dew]

I had one as my theater teacher

[fast dew]

Bigger lungs usually, its for a reason

[stiff fable]

There is some truth to that, but it's not 100%

[fast dew]

I also had a literal clown as a theatre teacher

[midnight ice]

oh, that, yeah, the saying it's not over until the big lady sings

[drifting lintel]

"it isn't over till the fat lady sings" is a joke from old opera because the best singers were rather wealthy and rather large because of their wealth.

[fast dew]

I genuinely cannot remember his name

[heady quest]

But Follie doesn’t have any opera themes right? Or have I missed something in the hellscape that is follies hunt?

[stiff fable]

So yes, Follie is a sad clown in universe because she made something to help people and try and make them happy and it was turned into a weapon to break people harder

[fast dew]

We just knew him as giuseppe the clown

[stiff fable]

Like everything else the Orokin touch

[cunning ore]

yea so she is like therapist/artist rightnow

[fast dew]

Rural Australia school shenanigans

[drifting lintel]

Her clothes look typical of an opera costume to me but that's about it.

[cunning ore]

Still Splatoon

[pale cedar]

Australia got nuked
It was a good laugh

[stiff fable]

DE described her gun as the "lawyer friendly splatoon weapon"

[cunning ore]

i did hope that they brought something about Orokin but it was not

[fast dew]

Oh nevermind found his name

[cunning ore]

That splatoon gun too good for the game

[fast dew]

Jeromaia, Mr Jeromaia

[cunning ore]

and if it white, i have reasked if it cousin with Stug

[fast dew]

He was funny

[drifting lintel]

Why do you like the Lord of lies?

[worn cypress]

What ?

Guys I finished new war anddd
Who is zarmer

[drifting lintel]

Narmer?

[fast dew]

Zamn

[cunning ore]

The door leading to Duviri in your Dormizone.

Zarmer is real?

[stiff fable]

short version:

[fast dew]

And my internet went out

There goes my rewards

[proper barn]

Narmer is just ballas' faction he makes.

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/gato-withrock-gif-27341353

[stiff fable]

Ballas made a new faction made of everyone he mind controlled

[drifting lintel]

Narmer was ballas' cult.
It's also the name of an archon using era as its skeleton.

[pale cedar]

I’m Zarr im in your marr

[stiff fable]

Which, during the New War, was "EVERYONE"

[proper barn]

No that's Pazuul

[fast dew]

Genuinely just gonna wait a week so I can buy Follie.

[pale cedar]

Wasn’t me

[drifting lintel]

Oh right different names lol

[stiff fable]

you're not me so you had a veil on like everyone else in this Discord :V

[fast dew]

Gonna grind for ducats, for my friends in need

[proper barn]

I mean the mode is getting changes.

[dark compass]

More like Foolie

[cunning ore]

Hmm many things, maybe at what he could possible be? Like with his talents and many other things, he could make something more and yea, may even be greater if he wasn't too blinded in love or too heavy in it.

[dark compass]

[pale cedar]

You aren’t me either so for me you had one

[stiff fable]

Ballas is a great character ngl

[fast dew]

I might as well dedicate that time to grind relics, gotta get enough ducats to buy at least 5 loid floofs

[stiff fable]

I want to buy Max Howarth a beer for it

[proper barn]

If Ballas wasn't blinded by not love even but just stuff never being his fault he wouldn't be Ballas.

[pale cedar]

How does Max have so much time to play Ballas?

[cunning ore]

True, i got his commercial to make job about Ballas's fortune from it

[opal bane]

He is a very well-written punching bag.
Supplies the playerbase with very enticing gloves.

[proper barn]

I mean sure. I would also wait till the event anyway.

[stiff fable]

the secret might be that he just uses his normal voice

[fast dew]

5 loid floofs.. for my friends...

[stiff fable]

no need to get into character, just read the script

[fast dew]

Im so upset that I can't gift baro items

[drifting lintel]

I love how basically everyone in the old peace went "that MotherF***er!" When he popped up.

[fast dew]

I wanted to thank my alloidlings for being themselves, but alas.

[opal bane]

We were all ready to throw hands the moment he showed up.

[fast dew]

Wait I owe ducky a floof

[cunning ore]

That's the tragic part. It like you dedicated your whole life, being a genious with low eq in emotions and feelings make you dumb in loving someone plus you lived like maybe thousand years and finally you fell in love for the first time.

[pale cedar]

There’s people who thought he actually came back to life

[cunning ore]

He deadly clumpsy to me in front of thing called "love"

[drifting lintel]

I wish he'd come back to life so we can beat his ass ourselves.

[cunning ore]

Oh i just beliked : "OMGGG he touched cheek"

[opal bane]

on that note, what exactly is pazuul?

[fast dew]

Theres people who believe Albrecht and Loid's relationship was one sided

[fast dew]

Archon

[drifting lintel]

An archon

[fast dew]

Like the ones we fight

[pale cedar]

A ram head glued on Erras body

[opal bane]

just a new sentient made using erra's corpse as a reagent?

[fast dew]

A parasite using Erra's body as a host

[stiff fable]

All of the archons used to be something else

[pale cedar]

Probably the only thing keeping Erra alive

[drifting lintel]

No an archon.
Archons are their own thing using sentient and Warframe bodies.

They were originally built by era but idk who built pazul

[stiff fable]

That "something else" is broken now, and their pieces are being used as weapons

[opal bane]

so the warframe equivalent of the dragon ball fusion dance...

[pale cedar]

Erra made the Archons which would’ve included the Ram

[fast dew]

Those savage jaws were never made to bite or whatever the lotus said

[drifting lintel]

More like Frankenstein monsters

[stiff fable]

Just from dialogue from archon hunts, they were made from the "Sentient Beasts"

[drifting lintel]

Erra can't make pazul if erra is dead...

[stiff fable]

Which were Sentients in the shape of Earth animals

[humble sierra]

Pazuul might just be Erra rather than an actual separate entity puppeting him, but the Erra in him is subdued after his damages, and being manipulated by Nira

[pale cedar]

Can if he was made before he died

[stiff fable]

The four we know are the Wolf, Owl, Snake and Ram

[fast dew]

The lotus is looking for a sentient that heals. Wonder if erra is why

[drifting lintel]

As far as we know he cant do that.

[pale cedar]

He clearly can

[humble sierra]

Well he's still alive

Erra breaks free every so often

[opal bane]

we know of a way for people to do that in-lore - see drifter with his access to void powers - but it's unlikely, yes

[drifting lintel]

Since all the ones we see are the result of mixing parts from already dead machines and an archon shard.

[stiff fable]

I've mentioned it before but Pazuul has an orange archon shard

So there are possibly two more archons left

[pale cedar]

What we don’t know is who stitched Pazuul onto Erra rather than who created Pazuul

[stiff fable]

oh that's a good point yes

[dark compass]

Erra is stored in the stomach

[cunning ore]

Nira suck

[stiff fable]

More archons ARE being made, but Pazuul was the one who created the process

[drifting lintel]

I think those would be the same person

[humble sierra]

Erra created pazuul

[stiff fable]

My working theory is that the culprit is Praghasa

[humble sierra]

Erra can't fuse Pazuul onto his dying body

[stiff fable]

because in the original trailer for The New War, she's awake and doing evil things

[drifting lintel]

Do we know that for sure or is that a best guess because erra created the other ones?

[dark compass]

It was Alad V

[stiff fable]

the latter

[pale cedar]

It was actually you wasn’t it?

[opal bane]

"I took my brain out of my body and put it into this one." is what you're describing, essentially
(replied to wrong person, whoops)

[dark compass]

I don't think it works like that with Sentients

[humble sierra]

Yeah the latter, but mostly because of the lack of actual lore around Narmer and Archons besides what we needed for the plot to move forward

[dark compass]

They're rather... Modular

[drifting lintel]

Then I maintain that erra didn't make pazul since as far as I can tell you need all the pieces to make an archon. You can't 90% it and just slap it onto something.

[stiff fable]

Sentients don't have a brain like people do, yeah

[pale cedar]

We work with what we know not what we don’t know

[stiff fable]

There's a "core" of sorts, but they're a distributed intelligence

[cunning ore]

I missed Ballas hologram 😭

[dark compass]

My point is that Pazuul is probably more like a parasite hijacking Erra

[humble sierra]

It's not clear if Pazuul is even a separate entity because he's mostly just Erra going insane

[stiff fable]

I'd guess it's thirds

One third Pazuul, one third Erra, one third crazy person

[drifting lintel]

I would argue amar acts like that too but whatever....

[pale cedar]

The head with the Archon is separate

The body is just Erra

[humble sierra]

Would mirror Lotahrgulis

[stiff fable]

"Bite my head right off mother!"

[stiff fable]

https://klipy.com/gifs/mind-blown-boom-3

[pale cedar]

As far as we know with what we’ve been told Erra made the Archons which until anybody says otherwise Erra is the only answer to who created Pazuul

[stiff fable]

Also, Erra made Caliban

It's not directly related to anything, but it's cool

Still salty we didn't get a Caliban Prime trailer narrated by Erra

[worn cypress]

After new war what quests to do ? + what are the shortest

[stiff fable]

Short: Jade Shadows

[dark compass]

And next prime trailer is Styanax most likely

Biblical greed

Got a whole animated short AND a prime trailer

[stiff fable]

Next actual quests are Angels of the Zariman then Whispers in the Wall, which are both fairly long

Veilbreaker is short-ish, unlocks good stuff

[worn cypress]

@stiff fable what about the side quest ? What is it about

[stiff fable]

Jade Shadows? It's actually counted as a main quest

It just doesn't feel like it because it's self-contained

I recommend it, it's super cool. Saying anything about it would spoil :V

[smoky gulch]

Honestly I don't yet get why it isn't side story

[strange turtle]

Probably because it’s progressing Parvos

Well, “progressing”, not like much actual development happens

But it’s him taking a big role after Dante Unbound reminded people he exists

Or it could just be because of The Baby

Or the fact that it’s Stalker finally getting something beyond a cameo after TSD

[dark compass]

Heyy :(

He had a role in the new war

[cunning ore]

By the main quest: The Angel of Zariman, Whisper in The Wall and The Hex.
Shortest quest is the Lotus Eater

[stiff fable]

Yeah it's for Stalker

[cunning ore]

🤣 The shortest quest i tried to replay to just see my Operator/Drifter reaction things

[dusty dragon]

I really hope Hydroid Prime gets some real lore eventually. I want him to have been stealing space ships from the orokin and then Ballsack Warframed him.

[cunning ore]

Then he might have co-op with Sevagoth

[ocean geyser]

Idk their deluxe skins have beef

[wooden cave]

idk why but the tempestarii's always stuck out as a neat part of the lore to me
this Old War relic rescue vessel still looking for one last rescue
it's pilot the shadow of a warframe kept long dormant
it almost makes me not want to grind for sevagoth, just to let the man finally have his true rest

[dusty dragon]

I need that song though.

I would gladly pay 99 cents for a download.

I don't believe in streaming music and I don't believe DE has released it on disc.

[wooden cave]

it's on YT
but if I had a cd player I would want it

[dusty dragon]

Yeah, but I don't believe in streaming. The artists get almost nothing.

I will buy a new CD every couple months.

[fast dew]

How. Do you not believe in. Streaming?

Its not something you exactly. Not believe in

[dark compass]

As a way to support the artist

Yeah streaming is really not very good

[fast dew]

True but.

How does someone not believe in. Something that exists?

[heady quest]

It’s a way of saying you don’t think/belief that streaming could work. Like they said the artists get almost nothing.
They don’t believe in streaming working for them

You can substitute the word think with belief.

[pale cedar]

Certainly an opinion of all time

[fast dew]

God I hate deceiving things like that

[heady quest]

All I am saying it’s a common way of saying in English

I have no opinion on the matter so

[fast dew]

I struggle with english a lot weirdly, its my

[heady quest]

Nog to offend anyone though

[fast dew]

Mm. Suddenly I am reminded that I have an developmental delay.

[heady quest]

English is not my first language either so 😂

[fast dew]

Oh it is

Its mine at least, I just.

[heady quest]

Ah 😂

[fast dew]

Did not get proper schooling

I uh. Got maybe 6 out of the 13 years you're supposed to get

[radiant pier]

is there an in-universe reason why Follie is hot?

[opaque zenith]

The boiling point of ink is ~55º C

[worn cypress]

guys how can i see the lore of quests that i have done but didnt focus on lore ? like duviri i did it a year ago but didnt focus on its lore and i started recently focusing on lore

[sullen steppe]

how much do yall wanna bet the woman in the voice recordings during follie’s hunt is the one who actually BECAME follie?

[fast dew]

Doubt it

[pale cedar]

Replay button

[opaque zenith]

The replayable ones you can replay, the one-time ones you'll have to read wiki/see a playthough/etc

[worn cypress]

duviri is long is there like a good channel that explains them @pale cedar ?

[pale cedar]

Wouldn’t recommend reading wiki for lore unless looking for specific dialogue

There’s Orokin Archives website

Orokin Archives is basically the lore version of the Wiki

Duviri isn’t actually as long as you think

[drifting lintel]

Well for drifter it was probably a long time.

[pale cedar]

When DE first made it, it was 2hrs

They shortened it when they made changes

[pale cedar]

Just a low does math hmm 1000 years

[opaque zenith]

I was saying more in terms of rewatching the quest as it is, not having it explained
In that case, is kinda hard to recomend cause interpretations differs between people in the details of the quests

[drifting lintel]

Give or take a decade or two

[pale cedar]

Totally not long at all

[drifting lintel]

He only got what 10 good years in duviri before the loops?

[worn cypress]

what about now ?

[pale cedar]

Around an hour

[drifting lintel]

Duviri and its paradox isn't very long to explain. A lot of other things spider web off of it.

[pale cedar]

It’s actually one of the shortest quests in the game

[opaque zenith]

Darvo is a tennager with 147 years, you'll have to up these torture fairytale years numbers

[pale cedar]

Shortest being Lotus Eaters

[drifting lintel]

It's just the time between the zaramin accident and the new war.

[pale cedar]

DE really advertised Lotus Eaters like it was going to be way longer

[worn cypress]

how long are new war events in lore

[pale cedar]

Not stated

[drifting lintel]

I'd have to imagine at least a decade

[pale cedar]

Just enough time that people noticed we were gone

[drifting lintel]

A lot of things were constructed, the drifter was fighting for god knows how long, etc

[worn cypress]

a7 that much

i am still not understanding the lore cocktail between drifter and oper

[opaque zenith]

wich includes a war, a fall of an empire, the rise of 2 others, and all in-between. put a day or 2 more than your estimative idk

[pale cedar]

DE prefer not giving complete timelines so that issues don’t arise

[drifting lintel]

Heck we can probably figure it out if I had the time or patience to f**k with estimating time based on the foliage around the crashed orbiter at drifter's camp.

[pale cedar]

We can’t actually figure it out from the quest

Nothing in the quest indicates how long perfectly

[drifting lintel]

That's why I mentioned the crashed orbiter.
That's the same orbiter we always had but it crash landed sometime after the operator was thrown into the void.

[pale cedar]

DE never give timelines

1999 was the first time DE even gave us a year

We don’t even know how long we’ve been active as the Tenno lorewise

[drifting lintel]

We do know that the quest to hunt vay heck lined up with IRL time

[pale cedar]

If we were told mistakes later down the line might arise

[tall echo]

timeline split at the wally handshake

[drifting lintel]

So vay heck was hunted for what three years?

[tall echo]

(It's just parked not actually crashed)

[pale cedar]

If it crashed it definitely would’ve destroyed parts of the cave it was put in

Ordis basically turned on low power mode

[tall echo]

and it wouldn't be in the cave with the like, exhausts towards the back

[pale cedar]

Keeping it in the sky would’ve been dangerous anyway considering the amount of ships in space

Keeping it hidden was smart

[opaque zenith]

also doubt it crash landed in reverse gear (the front is headed towards the cave entrance), and the possibility ordis was a bad submarine driver and scratched the paint (hindering the strucural estimative) is not 0