lore-discussion

[drifting lintel]

The previous conversation where I argued about what thrax is.

[ionic moss]

Remind what eternalism is?

[pale cedar]

That we know of

[strange turtle]

There’s the Drifter and the Zariman and that’s it

[main arch]

I don't really think it'd be a specific type of info tho, more so a matter of him having deep understanding in biology and evolution thanks to Javi, and learning how to work his own to undergo such transformation.

[pale cedar]

Eternalism was a bad idea

[fleet furnace]

multiverse theory basically, every choice is assigned a universe so a thing happening/not happening is equally as likely)

[drifting lintel]

All timelines are true. You just need to change your perspective on the present to see them.

[fast dew]

All timelines are also false

[restive river]

You can argue what he is
You’re still wrong, he’s the character from the book, our favorite toy, he never changes and pushed back on us cause of his character not some underlying fear from the Drifter

[misty helm]

When you believe in the eternal, obviously

[fast dew]

Eternalism is both and neither or whatever

[ionic moss]

Thanks so theres an instance where the operator did die

[pale cedar]

There's a timeline where we fight each other

[drifting lintel]

@main arch I don't wanna argue this one again

[fast dew]

Theres a timeline where i win

[restive river]

I mean technically many via the deal

[restive river]

Then don’t and don’t sick them on me for disagreeing lol

[ionic moss]

Why did you say no then?

[pale cedar]

There's also one we we both lose and one where I win

[ashen pulsar]

nope. and even if there was, it wouldnt be an accessible one.

[fleet furnace]

by rules of eternalism, yes, though not ours, and not one we can access

[ionic moss]

facepalms

[ashen pulsar]

as far as we know, there are no other operators

[pallid spoke]

Wally erased all other timeline versions of the Operator, save for the Drifter cause he did a funny to them. So it doesn't matter.

[fast dew]

And where we both win. Wonder what that could even entrail..

[ashen pulsar]

wally killed them

[fast dew]

Chosen operator, not warframe operator lol

[ashen pulsar]

yeah yeah

[fast dew]

Know the difference

[pale cedar]

Can players just stop using Eternalism

Even DE don't like using it

[restive river]

Or they just died cause without his help they die, in theory

[fast dew]

Hoh.

[main arch]

I think this MIGHT be DE taking the piss on both Marvel and DC

[fast dew]

Discord light mode

[strange turtle]

and then made the Harolds

[ashen pulsar]

harolds?

[pale cedar]

My eyes

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[drifting lintel]

I have it light during the day and dark during the night

[misty helm]

If eternalism is true, then there's a timeline where Ballas is Lotus 🧠

"My child... so beautiful to behold. How do you feel?"

[restive river]

But anyone can have authority over Duviri, it’s not dependent on Thrax or Drifter but the THRONE

[fast dew]

Its barely 7am and its. Dark

[main arch]

The Fragmented bosses

[ashen pulsar]

oh

[pale cedar]

Why did you just assault my Loretism?

[ionic moss]

Ballas my glorious king!

[fleet furnace]

https://giphy.com/gifs/hd-handy-14ooolmDKfgrO8

[fast dew]

I punched the autism

[ashen pulsar]

well, those are him destroying the dimensions without the chosen operator to defend

[main arch]

... Stay the frick away from THAT strand of Khra LMAO

[restive river]

It was part of my deal with Wally that that timeline was personally nuked

[pale cedar]

Thomas wanna team up and kill the light mode user?

[fast dew]

Yeah

[restive river]

Aren’t you a light mode user

[ionic moss]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-umbra-gif-19388420

[fast dew]

My eyes hurt

[fast dew]

Only when its funny

[restive river]

Traitor

[fast dew]

I usually use the custom colours

[drifting lintel]

No drifter always had control of it. His jungian shadow is what stopped him from leaving and used his own abilities against him.

[fast dew]

Mm. Green

Green

[restive river]

No?
Drifter only takes control over Duviri when they sit on the throne, they explicitly give up control cause they want to save Teshin

[drifting lintel]

Said shadow happens to be named thrax

[main arch]

No. It's a creation of the Drifter, which he for a time lost control of (partially) and thus left Thrax with more control of it.

[pale cedar]

Thomas think we are enemies in every timeline?

[fast dew]

Always. Every timeline.

[fleet furnace]

doesnt teshin also say that drifter always had control or something?

[main arch]

In one timeline you're both gay for each other.

[fast dew]

Also maybe

[restive river]

Damn I guess Neci getting the throne is meaningless then

[fast dew]

Maybe that line is

[ionic moss]

Ballas my beloved ♥️ kneels gracefully

[restive river]

That’s sarcasm btw

[drifting lintel]

The throne isn't the power, it's drifter

[fast dew]

Metaphorical

[pale cedar]

Its said but not in the way you think

[main arch]

Yeah cause that's just Wally possessing Neci and breaching into Duviri lmao

[restive river]

It’s the throne but alright

[fast dew]

As in. Control over their emotions

[main arch]

Or trying to anyways.

[restive river]

Drifter’s only power within Duviri is that they can do conceptual embodiment
Which
You cannot control

Drifter literally had to sit on the throne to reverse time

[fast dew]

If you could we wouldn't be here

[restive river]

But no the throne doesn’t matter?? Lol

[fast dew]

Thrax was always king, iirc Albrecht mentions as such

[drifting lintel]

Yes you can!
Examples:

• thrax
• wally
• operator
• drifter

[restive river]

He was the king in the book
Him and Drifter ruled together for a time iirc but Thrax always had control

[main arch]

Nope. I mean the trailer shows Dax just slamming his fist onto the ground and resetting crap again lmao.

[pale cedar]

Loops in Duviri are directly shown to be the throne

[strange turtle]

Drifter also does

[restive river]

Thrax has the throne
Wally may be an exception
Neither Operator nor Drifter control CE

[main arch]

On the. Not to be.

[drifting lintel]

1999 literally disproves that.
It's drifter's power.

[fast dew]

Mm. No.

[ionic moss]

Whats CE?

[main arch]

Again we see Thrax in the trailer SLAM his fist on the ground before resetting Duviri.

[fast dew]

They could modify it but they do not create it

[main arch]

HE WAS NOT ON THE THRONE

[restive river]

The trailer where that scene was more so metaphorical since he was actually in the throne room?

[pale cedar]

Non canon trailer

[fast dew]

Was that trailer even made by DE?

[restive river]

It becomes their power later
They didn’t have void powers in Duviri lol

[main arch]

Your childhood is a non canon trailer-

[fast dew]

Bombastine in that trailer served tho

[ionic moss]

Anyone else reading this with vor speech?

[main arch]

Whatevs lmao

[drifting lintel]

Yes they did. They had transference.

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-duviri-paradox-bombastine-gif-9570737904693828450

[restive river]

Drifter only gains void powers during the New War, they don’t have control over Duviri

[fast dew]

Woah.... bombastine....

[restive river]

That was from Lotus’ HAND LMAO

[fast dew]

Bombastine...........

I like Sythel. And Martilla

[drifting lintel]

They also ya know created duviri

[fast dew]

Yeah that doesnt mean much

[restive river]

That doesn’t mean they have control over it!

[fast dew]

Anyone could've done that

[main arch]

Alright stop for a moment.

[fast dew]

I could've lmao

[restive river]

Conceptual Embodiment doesn’t mean you become a god lol

[ionic moss]

Who's thracks? Anyone know

[fast dew]

Guess. Albrecht is a god now

[pale cedar]

That's using an object rather than using an innate power

[fast dew]

The orokin also had transference. Another person transferred into a literal forest

[restive river]

Albrecht made Wally
Why doesn’t he just control him?

[fast dew]

Albrecht would look at me with disgust at calling him a god

[strange turtle]

We need to throw him into dusty concrete land so he can have his own Drifter Arc

[cold star]

Alright so.. is there an explanation of why all of the Fortuna npcs have their heads in their body cavities?

[main arch]

The Drifter didn't "just get their powers"

They've had them since they made the deal with Wally too, since Drifter, after all, is the alternate of the Operator.

In this instance, the Drifter is a what if of the Operator. What if they DIDN'T escape the Zariman, so they had to retreat to the Void instead and unconsciously made Duviri in the Void in a moment of panic.

[ionic moss]

Is thracs the drifter twin? Maybe hes wally and can shapeshift into a brick wall aswell

[pale cedar]

He does

Why else do you think Wally hasn't got the finger yet trust

[fast dew]

Also if im being pedantic

[restive river]

They literally did not have void powers until the new war

[strange turtle]

Drifter is the alternate that wasn’t included in the deal

[fast dew]

Albrecht actually started what duviri was

Going to the start

[main arch]

Ohhh. Okay that makes more sense.

[fleet furnace]

thrax was created by drifter

[strange turtle]

“Never said I’d save you”. Operator got to be part of that, Drifter was the one that Wally took his wording more literally with

[main arch]

No. He's the embodiment of the Drifter's emotional instability

[drifting lintel]

It's their power fueling the place they just didn't understand his control until the end of the paradox quest.

Thrax being a conceptual embodiment himself had better understanding and used it to strip drifter of their emotions

[main arch]

And fear of abandonment.

[main arch]

^

[fast dew]

He made stories for Euleria's delight, and she took those and wrote duviri into a book....

[ionic moss]

Hmmm, interesting

[strange turtle]

They didn’t intentionally “strip” Drifter of anything. He was scared they were going to leave so he stopped them, trapping them in a cycle of killing and trying to escape over and over again until Drifter went numb

[main arch]

Fricken hell I'm starting to feel my hairline receding.

[fast dew]

Their memory got a little messed up but thats okay

[drifting lintel]

Yes... That process is what stripped drifter of their emotions and power ...

[strange turtle]

He also. Does not have a better understanding

[fast dew]

What power

[restive river]

It’s not, it’s in the void it doesn’t need fueling
They don’t have any powers, they only take control of Duviri when they sit on the throne (the Sky changing is just Duviri/The void reacting to their emotions)

And Thrax isn’t a conceptual embodiment of Drifter, they’re a character from a book, a toy, they may have aspects of Drifter as their emotions did create them but that’s it.

[strange turtle]

It’s the entire point of his character and existence

[drifting lintel]

Emotions are power in the void.

[fast dew]

Drifter didnt have any powers when they entered duviri

Thats

[ionic moss]

Is the duviri book albretchs lost grimoire?

[fast dew]

Not a power

[main arch]

And another thing.

WILL.

[restive river]

Drifter is literally a normal human being up until the New War, where Operator shares their piece of Wally when they’re saved.

[fast dew]

Thats just conceptual embodiment

[main arch]

FRICKEN WILL

[fast dew]

And thrax didnt take that away

[strange turtle]

When in the Void CE’s don’t need fuel

[restive river]

Can you control your emotions wholly and entirely?
No.

[fleet furnace]

no theyre different things

[ionic moss]

Bith are books though

[restive river]

Will power doesn’t really relate to CE

[ionic moss]

Both*

[fleet furnace]

true

[drifting lintel]

Their emotions and will were their power. An emotional kid is essentially god in the void.

[main arch]

What da duck is CE

[restive river]

It’s about emotions and concepts and if either could be controlled then the Orokin would have utilized it!

[fast dew]

No, they're a liability.

[restive river]

Conceptual Embodiment 😭

[fast dew]

They're dangerous. And not in a good way.

[main arch]

Oh acronym okeh

[strange turtle]

It’s not like, a hologram that constantly needs a battery powering it. You make it and bam. It’s there. No fuel or energy or whatever needed to maintain it

[drifting lintel]

Okay. Here's a parallel. Have y'all seen the amazing digital circus?

[fast dew]

CE is how you get skittergirl.

[ionic moss]

Funny enough in netracells you hear that pet say we shouldnt mess with the books because it contained bad things

[fast dew]

Mm. I have.

[main arch]

Except yes it does. The Void does NOT respond SOLELY to emotions.

[strange turtle]

The Void can eventually erode it away, but that’s just what happens naturally. It still happens with Duviri, no matter what

[fast dew]

... those are grimoires.

[restive river]

Can’t control your emotions
Willpower has no power here
An emotional anyone can essentially be a god via the void, an uncontrollable god

[ionic moss]

Who's to say duviri isnt just a grimoire albretch lost

[ashen pulsar]

the whispers?

[restive river]

Yes it does what

[ashen pulsar]

euleria entrati

[main arch]

Because it is how you manifest CE in the FIRST PLACE.

[ashen pulsar]

or she would if she had her memories

[fast dew]

And that Lyon found a copy of Duviri in the labs (thats so cute)

[woven coyote]

The void responding to crystalized lovers

[drifting lintel]

Imagine the circus is in the void.

Cain being a void creature has mastery of conceptual embodiment.

The players while also having the ability need practice.

[dusty dragon]

Can I steal the daughters space walkman?

[restive river]

What are you even saying dude 😭
You need emotions for conceptual embodiment to occur

[dusty dragon]

I want it.

[fast dew]

Okay. But the issue is, you cannot control conceptual embodiment.

[restive river]

You can not 😔

[fleet furnace]

duviri came from the tales of duviri book, which was made by euleria to help teach kids about emotional regulation, so that bad things dont happen during void jumps

[main arch]

If you ain't got emotional temperament you can't.

[drifting lintel]

You can. Drifter does it in 1999 when they expand the loop.

[ionic moss]

Isnt euleria. From albretchs labs

[fast dew]

Albrecht has a very firm grasp on his emotions, and he still caused it

So does yonta, and she still caused it

[main arch]

Literally mate like tf we on about

[restive river]

They weren’t controlling it nor did they expand the loop

[pale cedar]

1999 isn't CE

[ashen pulsar]

euleria is his daughter. She's also mother or gomaitru

[fast dew]

No they dont. Thats not conceptual embodiment.

[drifting lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/banging-head-bang-gif-12070477

[restive river]

Loid literally tells us Albrecht expanded it 😭
We just have control of it

[main arch]

OH MY GOD WE ARE RUNNING IN CIRCLES ARE JUST TALKED ABOUT THIS LIKE AN HOUR OR TWO AGO

[ionic moss]

Euliria is also a giant robot in albretch labs

[restive river]

Don’t get mad at me, damn

[fast dew]

No but I like to think he designed one visually off her

[main arch]

YES THE DRIFTER DID EXPAND THE LOOP TO A YEAR, READ THE FINAL INBOX MESSAGE ON THE HEX QUEST ENDING.

[ionic moss]

Woah thats alot of caps chill out

[drifting lintel]

No he didn't!

The drifter expanded it!

Albrecht messed with it so it would be a year but drifter is the one who did it!

[main arch]

https://tenor.com/view/higuruma-higuruma-hiromi-hiromi-jjk-lawyer-jujutsu-kaisen-lawyer-gif-3266726213093115590

[ashen pulsar]

source?

[restive river]

Just for you I’ll double check it ☺️

[drifting lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-the-hex-drifter-begin-again-gif-639103360702619643

[ionic moss]

I think reb said that in some past dev stream

[main arch]

I'm about to turn into a rule63 Garuda.

[ionic moss]

iirc

[restive river]

So in the same message you said Drifter expanded it and Albrecht made it into a year
So
Which one is it

[woven coyote]

"Albrechts interference is to blame"

[ashen pulsar]

this isn't CE.

[ionic moss]

When they first pitched albretch labs and showed giant robots

[drifting lintel]

Drifter expanded it.

Albrecht limited it to a year.

[restive river]

Inbox message:
What happened?

Drifter,

I can make no sense at all of these readings. Your site of temporal injection has somehow shifted. Your loop now encompasses the entire year of 1999.

Albrecht's interference is to blame, no doubt. What does he feel you need more time to achieve? He surely must have given guidance, however cryptic!

I can offer one service, at least. I discovered a clandestine blueprint among Albrecht's personal effects, for a warframe so secret it was never named. It is yours.

—Loid

[restive river]

Yeah uh. No?

[drifting lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-the-hex-drifter-begin-again-gif-639103360702619643

[fast dew]

Yeah so where's the void

[restive river]

Albrecht still expanded it??
That’s Drifter taking control and initiating the LOOP

[drifting lintel]

WE F0CKING SEE HIM DO IT!

[restive river]

Drifter has control over the loop, they did not EXPAND it.

[fast dew]

Remember, you need to be inside the void for conceptual embodiment

[main arch]

When it was the Drifter because Albrecht needed the Drifter to find it in themselves to care for them first, and thus reset the loop to a full year to have time to befriend them

[ionic moss]

The boid its ummm to the far left of the origin system according to the navigation

[fast dew]

Not just have it, you need to be inside

[restive river]

We see them restart the loop!

[ionic moss]

Void*

[ashen pulsar]

albrecht expanded it
drifter just activated the reset taht time

[restive river]

Not them expand it.

[restive river]

Exactly this

[ashen pulsar]

we control it

[main arch]

If you temper your emotions, yes.

[restive river]

Left is relative, in reality the system is constantly moving

[drifting lintel]

I'm so tired flex

[restive river]

Bro you can’t control CE

[fast dew]

Noone can

[ashen pulsar]

void just voids

[restive river]

Yes Drifter was tempering their emotions after GETTING SHOT
No

[fast dew]

Thats why its so dangerous

[ionic moss]

Well from what im seeing the void is clearly left lol from navigation map at least

[main arch]

BECAUSE IT'S BASED ON YOUR EMOTIONS, WHICH YOU CAN LEARN TO CONTROL

[ashen pulsar]

random, chaotic

[woven coyote]

The text literally says who expanded it

You wishing it was drifter does not matter

[fast dew]

You also need to be in the void for conceptual embodiment

[ashen pulsar]

you can't choose what it takes from your brain

[restive river]

Cause you can control how you feel after just being shot and watching your new friends die?

[fast dew]

And we are not inside the void

[drifting lintel]

The man in the wall can.

And Albrecht is trying to make it so drifter can too.

[fast dew]

No he cant

He can mess with timelines

[ionic moss]

Are we or are we not in the void?

[restive river]

That’s certainly a theory about what he’s doing

[strange turtle]

Yeah, which is also the safety measure they do to prevent CE

[fast dew]

We are not in the void.

[main arch]

IT IS CALLED SELF REFLECTION.

IT IS CALLED DISCIPLINE.

IT IS CALLED SELF INDIVIDUATION.

YOU CONTROL WHAT EMOTIONS YOU LET INFLUENCE YOU, NOT WHICH ONES COME UP.

[restive river]

You don’t need to be in the void to CE

[ionic moss]

What if we are still sleeping on lua puts tinfoil hat on

[fast dew]

....wat

[main arch]

AND THAT IS HOW YOU CONTROL CE

[restive river]

You’re letting your anger influence you a lot rn

[ashen pulsar]

your brain contains far more than what you're currently thinking

[fast dew]

Isnt that. How that works

[restive river]

Turn off caps lock bro

[drifting lintel]

We're a void battery.
Because we're always connected to the void we can do CE

That's how the operator and drifter have powers.

[fast dew]

Mmm.no

[restive river]

We have powers cause we have a piece of Walldo

[fast dew]

We'd be CEing all over the place

[strange turtle]

Except that’s not actually controlling it or using it as a power, that’d just let you decide when you let it happen or try to regulate and not risk CEing

[ionic moss]

Oh ok

[ashen pulsar]

you also can't choose when you CE

[main arch]

Yep, and it requires a third person analysis of your own self to see what's wrong with you.

Something that is, yes, very difficult.

But not impossible.

[fast dew]

Eh. No.

[restive river]

Hey if I get shot can I regulate my emotions

[fast dew]

Not something someone as emotionally stunted as drifter can do

[ionic moss]

Whats CE stand for?

[main arch]

WHAT DID I JUST SAY

[drifting lintel]

Conceptual embodiment

[woven coyote]

Now DE need a new line where roathe complains about someone calling everything conceptual embodyment instead of eternalism

[ionic moss]

Oh okay yeah that make sense

[ashen pulsar]

conceptual embodiment. when the void scans your brain and starts 3d printing shit.

[restive river]

And?
Are you really going to regulate your emotions after you just got shot point blank??

[fast dew]

I cant do that and ive gone through almost 8 years of therapy now lmao

[ionic moss]

What about eternalism with conceptual embodiment?

[restive river]

You don’t need Eternalism if you have conceptual embodiment

[strange turtle]

You wouldn’t be able to just decide “oh I wanna be really passionate about making this sword so that I can CE.” You’d maybe get really pumped about your idea for a sword at some point, and then either clamp down on that and try to chill, or let loose and see what happens

[main arch]

If you have the will and discipline to swallow the damn anger for a moment and deal with the situation firsthand, yes.

[fast dew]

No

You got shot. You cant just do that

[drifting lintel]

Well that is how the void works.
It embodies a concept in your mind.

With enough practice and discipline you can control what it makes.

That's how the relics canonically work.

[restive river]

I don’t think you understand the pain they’re going through in that moment like
At all

[fast dew]

Do you understand what happens when you get shot?

[ionic moss]

But according to eternalism

[fast dew]

Do you understand what happens when you get hurt badly?

[woven coyote]

Relics are shroddingers box what are you on about?

[ashen pulsar]

realistically, you can't constantly design your thoughts and emotions to create exactly what you want with CE. that's not how your brain works.

[main arch]

Yes and emotions are only as absolute as you let them.

[restive river]

If anything Albrecht shot them and goaded them into taking control of the loop due to them being so emotional

[ashen pulsar]

NO

-# /j

[drifting lintel]

Enough regulation to blast someone with a bolt of void energy instead of nuking the whole room.

[fast dew]

Adrenalin. Good old Adrenalin. A reaction you cannot control. Fear.

[ionic moss]

Haha

[restive river]

I don’t think the void cares about which emotions are most absolute

[fast dew]

You will feel fear. That's just a side effect of adrenalin

Fight or flight

[drifting lintel]

They have void in them. That's literally how they work....

[fast dew]

This exact reaction is probably what caused Wally's CE

Albrecht got hurt.

Suddenly, wally

[main arch]

Okay I got a question for you then.

What kind of emotions are felt when Dante casts his spells? In fact, what do you think they're based on?

[restive river]

He was falling and then got hurt iirc

[ionic moss]

Dante?

[fast dew]

... I do not think those are. Conceptual embodiment are they?

[ionic moss]

Probably joy

[restive river]

Is he using conceptual embodiment or voidtongue?
How much of what he’s using do we know is CE?

[drifting lintel]

Yeah. He didn't have any control in that moment.

He got flayed alive, blinded, and deaphened, and he's not a soldier.

[main arch]

They're CLEARLY void based, void energy.

[fast dew]

Nor is drifter?

[restive river]

Neither is Drifter

[fast dew]

Drifter factually wasn't

[ashen pulsar]

so?

[restive river]

All of the frames are void powered, your point?

[strange turtle]

Not everything Void is CE

[ashen pulsar]

there's more to void than CE

[drifting lintel]

Drifter is currently undergoing his training arch.

[restive river]

Also the book Dante has has voidtongue if I’m not mistaken

[woven coyote]

What emotion does the void gate in sabotage missions feel?

[main arch]

Right.

[fast dew]

.. voidtongue.

Its requiem word bs

See: tome mods

[main arch]

What emotion made that? Hm?

[drifting lintel]

All void energy is conceptual embodiment.

[restive river]

We don’t know LOL

[fast dew]

No.

[main arch]

No mate. It ain't.

[fast dew]

No its not. Can I get a source on that one?

[restive river]

In theory it could be, since the void only has energy after Albrecht fell in

[strange turtle]

Like. Rails use Void, but that doesn’t mean they’re CEing a magical tunnel to the destination or something

[main arch]

You can use it for conceptual embodiment. It on itself isn't though.

[ashen pulsar]

yk how your life flashes before your eyes if you're abt to die? wally just yoinked that

[ionic moss]

Dante is reknown for thinking outside of the box so imo i think he feels joy when casting spells

[fast dew]

Yeah, perhaps, but I wouldnt say it definitely like that 😭

[ashen pulsar]

in a way lol
albrecht CE'd void energy

[restive river]

You could though, the energy the void now has exists because of conceptual embodiment

[main arch]

Bro be for real RN he got possessed by the book.

[ashen pulsar]

void energy wasn't a thing until albert made it

[restive river]

All usable energy from the void stems from Albrecht’s first visit

[ionic moss]

Maybe

[strange turtle]

According to Roathe

[ionic moss]

The void drives some to madness

[fast dew]

Oh thats a roach theory?

[restive river]

What
No I’m going off the Requiem notes lol

[fast dew]

No, thats wally

[ashen pulsar]

nah I think its somewhere else

[main arch]

What kind of emotion would you need to-

[drifting lintel]

The void itself creates things when you put thought into it.
Void is put into things to perform a function people think it will do.
Void energy just does stuff we want it to do due to conceptual embodiment

[ashen pulsar]

pre-roathe

[restive river]

You can’t put thought into it, it reacts to emotions and concepts
There is no controlling it

Not entirely anyway

[drifting lintel]

Then why does all orokin tech run on void?

[ashen pulsar]

"oh man I'm so disappointed the void doesn't have usable energy, I sure hope I find some on this trip-"

[fast dew]

A lot of it doesn't

[drifting lintel]

If you can't control it why is it everywhere

[restive river]

Because usable void energy exists?

[main arch]

THAT'S A THOUGHT NOT AN EMOTION

[ashen pulsar]

yep

[ionic moss]

CE is irrelevant to what happened to the tenno and drifter on board the zariman

[main arch]

Inhales.

[restive river]

He explains how he felt in the moment lol

[ashen pulsar]

cavalero was thinking about cool guns when incarnons were created

[strange turtle]

Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form. To space-faring ambitions, a dead end.
That doesn’t mean that he created it, just that they couldn’t tell.

[ionic moss]

And to say the void is wally isnt true

[drifting lintel]

Yes that's literally what happened

[ashen pulsar]

drifter thought about duviri when duviri was created

[ionic moss]

Unless we apply eternalism

[strange turtle]

We also know that they were wrong anyway

[main arch]

I'm gonna cause an eternalism.

[ashen pulsar]

albrecht thought about void energy when he entered, until he tripped and started spiraling

[restive river]

I mean yeah they couldn’t tell, but the moment he fell in was the moment it became useful
Mostly due to the finger but the void clearly has energy now

[fast dew]

Good lord. Ping me when yall need some random Albrecht shit

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[strange turtle]

They thought they Void was just nothing, with nothing going on.

We know that’s not true, because of Void’s inherent connection to Consciousness and emotion

[restive river]

More importantly tbh, he was desperate to find anything!

[ionic moss]

https://tenor.com/view/dean-winchester-sigh-sighing-supernatural-baffled-gif-9245336950067666845

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

[restive river]

Desperation and fear, that’s what he had when he went into the void

[main arch]

And with consciousness... also means... W I L L.

[restive river]

Out of his desperation, energy!
Out of his fear, Wally.

[ashen pulsar]

CE takes your emotions, your thoughts, your memories
all of it
and it makes something

[restive river]

You can’t will CE

[ionic moss]

CE is just a fancy word for Transference

[ashen pulsar]

no.

[restive river]

If Conceptual Embodiment was controllable then y’know who would have used that?
The Orokin!
You know who knew about it and didn’t use it?
The Orokin!

[drifting lintel]

The void reacts to thought and emotions.

The void is being pumped into the real world via the heart.

The void reacts with thought in relics to make usable materials.

The void reacts with thoughts to power machines.

[drifting lintel]

THEY DID USE IT!

RELICS!

VOID KEYS!

THE ZARAMIN 10-0

[restive river]

How was it pumping the void into the now when it was in the void lol

[restive river]

None of those are conceptual embodiment though

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

[restive river]

Yes they utilized products of CE but they themselves did not use CE

[ashen pulsar]

this

[main arch]

Mate why the hell else you think they thought about making the Orowyrms, the literal devourers of CE?

[restive river]

That’s a fan theory big dog

There’s literally no actual basis for it

[ashen pulsar]

drifter created orowyrms from the tales of duviri

[misty helm]

Does that mean that, when the Zariman fumbled the jump and the void shenanigans started... by the notion of eternalism, somebody was sitting on a toilet thinking about the grim possibility of something bitting his ass and the void made it real. Which means the ass-nibblers of the void exist and they're out there, somewhere floating in the silence of void; waiting for their opportunity to bite on some asses the moment they seat on a toilet

[strange turtle]

Maybe it really didn’t have energy. Maybe. Or maybe they just couldn’t actually tell until they threw a man in. Or maybe some other third thing that we don’t know but DE’s gonna bring up later. We don’t know

The only statement actually indicating anything about it is from again, the acclaimed NotAVoidScientist Roathe, who we already know is biased towards his own perception and opinion on the matter

[restive river]

It’s a fun fan theory, don’t get me wrong
But we don’t know if they even made Orowyrms lol

[ashen pulsar]

hmmmmmmmm

[ionic moss]

Well you can tell just by looking at them like vor did they have gold on it? Definitely orokin

[restive river]

Iirc the theory stems from there being 3 unaccounted for Orowyrms, 2 in the love tunnel and 1 in Railjack missions
They exist as teasers for Duviri but that’s about it

[drifting lintel]

Relics are literally conceptual embodiment in a box.

The void keys make entrances into the void where they have then made whole orokin buildings

The ZARAMIN literally goes into the void with a bunch of people and then goes back out in another spot.

[ashen pulsar]

they escaped

things leave the void

[main arch]

That's admittedly murky but at the same time what does it mean if they're Duviri and we later see them in the Void between Venus and Mars, or the Void jumps in Railjack?

[ashen pulsar]

things enter the void, leave the void, go from one part of the void to another

[ionic moss]

Now what i'm wondering is what happened to the other colonies aside from the zariman

[drifting lintel]

The oroworms are just dragons from the storybook. They left duviri.

[main arch]

Wait a minute...

[restive river]

Relics are eternalism blind boxes, not CE

The void keys aren’t made from CE

And the Zariman was literally using an FTL drive aka the finger

[main arch]

If Aya is memory plasma, how do you suppose said "memory plasma" came about?

[restive river]

Teasers for Duviri
Or some loose Orowyrms from Duviri

We don’t know lol, it’s just a neat theory

[restive river]

The Orokin

[ionic moss]

Aya are tears

[ashen pulsar]

lots of things fall into duviri specifically
not sure why it has so much void gravity

[restive river]

They had Aya before the void was useful

[ionic moss]

Not just memory plasma

[main arch]

THAT DOESN'T SAY ANYTHING ELABORATE

[restive river]

They made it?

[ashen pulsar]

teshin, kullervo, support archguns

[restive river]

Kuva has some tie to the void and it existed before the void was useful too so like

Aya has less of a connection tbh

[drifting lintel]

The relics are literally full of void and become one of a few things when you crack them open.

[restive river]

Ok? That’s not CE lol

[ionic moss]

Aya are tears from the goddess Gaia

[main arch]

Still present given it is literal memories given an energy form

[restive river]

Where is the emotions in that hello

[restive river]

I wouldn’t say that means they have a tie to the void tho

Especially since they most likely had to exist before the void was ever useful

[drifting lintel]

It's not just emotions ducky!
It's emotions and thoughts!

If you think about something it is created!

[main arch]

^

[restive river]

Concepts
Not thoughts
CONCEPTS

also no, we have zero moments where someone just thought of a thing and it was CE’d.

[main arch]

Where did those come from I wonder.

[ashen pulsar]

jeez I really should've thought harder about those valkyr parts

[drifting lintel]

And where are concepts created ducky? Where does the concept of time come from ducky!?

[restive river]

[main arch]

Surely not man-made constructs to categorize different aspects of our reality.

[drifting lintel]

https://tenor.com/view/think-mark-invincible-omniman-gif-21416554

[restive river]

You still can’t control CE???
You don’t just think of a thing and it happens, that’s now how it works

Concepts are thoughts yes, that doesn’t make it controllable

I got therapy
Y’all have a blast lmao

[drifting lintel]

You have 50 billgillion thoughts going through your mind at once, it's just really really flipping hard to control them

[main arch]

Would you say what they do next is CE if you think about it?

[ashen pulsar]

don't the things in relics already exist before we open them?

we just don't know what they are, so theoretically they could be any of the options

[drifting lintel]

No they don't. It's literally a box full of void.

[ashen pulsar]

can I see the source

[main arch]

Void traces lul

[strange turtle]

Yes

Void relics, what a baffling concept. Ordis will try to understand Void relics again: They say the contents of a relic are simultaneously this thing, or this thing, or this thing, but also that thing, and never just one of thing. That is, until… until it's exposed to a Void fissure? And, at that point, all the possibilities collapse, each one falling away until the relic cracks open and exposes one, singular thing. And at that moment, that thing becomes the only thing the relic ever contained?! Pfft… WHAT A LOAD OF— Ordis prefers known quantities, thank you very much."

[ashen pulsar]

no those just crack them open

[ashen pulsar]

so it's literally just schrodinger's relic

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[ashen pulsar]

they put one of 6 things in, we dont know

[main arch]

LMAO YEAH IT'S SCHRODINGER'S BOX. HAH

[restive river]

Didn’t you say that earlier lol

[ionic moss]

Relics are from different eras, and within each eras there was a reset

[drifting lintel]

And as far as I can tell filling it with void and then saying "it's one of these 6 things" is the only way you could make a relic

[strange turtle]

I wouldn’t say put “one of”

[ashen pulsar]

dont think so

[restive river]

Someone did lol

[main arch]

I'm tired, bouss...

[restive river]

Bro what
It’s just a blind box with schrondiger’s cat 😭

[strange turtle]

Because Void science isn’t an actual field that DE is pioneering and putting textbooks on in their game

[ashen pulsar]

it's not void
they put something in. we don't know what, just like schrodinger's cat doesn't need void to exist

[restive river]

Damn that’s a wild mistype

[strange turtle]

You’re attributing it it to CE, because that’s the only thing you know that could work

[ionic moss]

Whats a schrodinger car?

[ashen pulsar]

actually, they're all from the same period. they just represent different eras

[restive river]

We have what they are literally right here

[ashen pulsar]

if I have a box with a cat inside and I shoot into the box a few times
is the cat alive or is it dead

[restive river]

Cat in a box with poison
You don’t know if it’s alive or dead til you open the box so until you do it’s both and neither

[ionic moss]

Thats eternalism

[restive river]

There’s poison why are you shooting it 😭

[ashen pulsar]

idk

[drifting lintel]

They explicitly say it's not that.

That it's impossible to know what's in it.

Because until you open it up it's any of them.

And SOMEHOW putting more void in it changes the probabilities, hmmm I wonder why

[restive river]

It’s just schrödinger’s relic buddy

[drifting lintel]

Yes exactly. And we're able to change the frame of reference using the void.

[strange turtle]

But that doesn’t mean anything, because we don’t and aren’t meant to know the mechanisms to these things.

You know what a square is, and you have a shaped hole to put things in, but you don’t know any other shapes, and don’t know what shape the hole is. This does not mean it is the square hole, even though square is one of the possibilities.

[restive river]

It’s in a state where it’s one of multiple things and technically all of them but also none of them until you collapse the possibilities by OPENING THE BOX

[drifting lintel]

Why are you always responding to yourself?

[main arch]

You'd need a limited expression of eternalism to cycle between each one of the 6 possibilities for it to be Schrodinger's box, which means you need the void.

Because so far only the Void can temper with time, space and causality.

[ionic moss]

How many duviri cycles is there

[misty helm]

Just like, "if I don't remember exactly each item my refrigerator, how do I know exactly what is in it until I open the door? "

[drifting lintel]

You need to use void to open the box. And you use void to change the probabilities.

[main arch]

6 if you include Triumph of Dust.

[ionic moss]

Bingo

[strange turtle]

I’m sure you can guess

[misty helm]

What a balloni way to store things 💀

[drifting lintel]

If you could throw void into the fridge before looking to increase the chance of finding your favorite snacks.

[drifting lintel]

I really don't know why.

[ashen pulsar]

chaining messages in a discussion keeps them organized and relevant to the current topic

[main arch]

Sigh. I'm done with this conversation. We quite literally cannot agree on how the Void works cause we all received what we've been told differently. The only constant now is eternalism, which is fitting I suppose.

I'm done.

[ashen pulsar]

balloni.

[ionic moss]

According to eternalism you are also not done

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-hunhullus-slap-gif-129084042900504655

[drifting lintel]

Even though we're literally told like 1 thing about it.
It reacts to emotions and thoughts.

[ionic moss]

Lol just kidding thanks for the conversation

[ionic moss]

😂

[fast dew]

Holy hell.

[drifting lintel]

Lol

[main arch]

https://tenor.com/view/whatever-go-my-scarab-go-my-scarab-gulphagor-warframe-gif-4880873392325418247

[drifting lintel]

Weirdly from a distance your pfp looks like a cult of the lamb character

Specifically the blue lamb god

[main arch]

It's Lavos.

[drifting lintel]

I know I was just saying from a distance

[ocean geyser]

I see what you mean

The tubes look like horns

[rare scarab]

Think there is still space for a Clan based Mission where our character actually socializes with other Tenno and get to know them (lore based not in game)?

I know they did a tutorial mission but this could be pushing it

[restive river]

In theory there should be

The only problem with communing with other Tenno is the placement
We didn’t wake up til the Second Dream and while we can assume other Tenno also woke up we don’t really know?
I think the only confirmed tenno to have woken are uh. Rell and Voruna’s Operator??

If we wanted to communicate with non-awoken Tenno we could probably do that too

[strange turtle]

I could see a mission involving an in-universe Clan, but I think it’s unlikely considering how avoidant they are of other Tenno in the present beyond acknowledging their existence

[restive river]

Technically all the other players you meet and talk to are Tenno you could meet and talk to in-lore

[strange turtle]

Like. We had a whole school quest, a perfect chance to at least see some of them, and barely even a mention

[restive river]

Tbh we might have seen them if the pacing was better

We needed more down time in that quest, especially with Adis

Imagine a classroom setting, us with Adis, maybe another Tenno is rude to him and we choose how to defend our friend

[strange turtle]

It wouldn’t have worked with the specific way things were written in the end, but I can’t imagine that the basic concept for there being a school (and potentially more than two students) was a late introduction

[restive river]

A sorta mirror to what we do with Daklo later maybe

I wanna know what Amp we used in the quest and where we got it lol

[old wharf]

stinky

[ashen pulsar]

i want that beam near the end

[restive river]

Same

[ashen pulsar]

that thing shredded

[pallid spoke]

I don't think that even was an Amp, that was probably us using our unfiltered Void Beam in a fit of rage.

At least, I didn't see an Amp on the Operator's wrist during it.

[ocean geyser]

I don’t even remember seeing an amp throughout the whole quest

[radiant pier]

I think that was just purely us

yk like how it was when we were first introduced to our operator?

[worn cypress]

has the time come ?

i thought i was still in the biggining of the story

[pallid spoke]

New War isn't even the end of the story, it's just the end of the second arc.

Err, third arc. There's four arcs in the main story currently.

[smoky gulch]

I'm very tired, guys, but had an interesting brainfart hearing Lotus* say: "Within this shell, the three of us entwine. We forge a new strength." in Sanctum Anatomica.

Could Natah, Lotus and Margulis be perceived as depiction of Moirai/Norns/every other trio of goddesses as different stages of woman's life? Natah representative as Daughter, Lotus as Mother and Margulis as Grandmother - childhood, maturity, death?

Doesn't seem like "this is what DE was going for" with character, but I find it interesting how tropes will find their way into perception

[ashen pulsar]

you're like... halfway?

[ashen pulsar]

think it's closer to sol, lua, and the middle path

[strange plinth]

she has another line that's a little more related to that bit
"I was the Daughter. I became the Mother. In time I shall be the Witch, blind once again, empty of all but wisdom."

[worn cypress]

wait realy ? what do i need to do before ?

[pallid spoke]

New War is more like the 75% point of main story completion.

At least, as of current.

[worn cypress]

i heard people being locked away
i just came to the game less than a week ago@ashen pulsar

[ashen pulsar]

in terms of arcs maybe
but you still have duviri, whispers, hex, old peace, angels, jade, what else

and veilbreaker is kinda significant to the main story too albeit not a main quest

[ashen pulsar]

locked away?

[radiant pier]

do you mean the prime vaulting?

[woven coyote]

They probably mean the whole cant back out of new war

[ashen pulsar]

oh thats just a skill issue

like genuinely if you struggle in TNW it's just a skill issue

and im not insulting anyone who does

there were parts where I got slowed down

[radiant pier]

oh the stealth missions?

only one mission was really troubling me and that was the first stealth one

[restive river]

Maiden mother crone

[worn cypress]

as they cant finish it

[restive river]

The railjack part used to be rough if you never modded the railjack
Idk if it still is
It’s doable but it’s rough

[worn cypress]

i never touched it soo should i not enter now

[ashen pulsar]

I don’t recall if mine had anything significant, but I didn’t struggle at all

[restive river]

No main story quests have been “locked away”

[restive river]

You’ll likely be fine but you may want to just have like
Basic modding for your railjack to be safe

[smoky gulch]

Oh, so they literally addressed this

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, just like I spotted

[worn cypress]

only railjack ? what about the robot thing

[stiff fable]

That was always easy

Now they've made it so you don't even need your OWN Necramech to do it

[ocean geyser]

If you have one, just mod the archgun, should be fine
Otherwise the loaner mech works well enough

[worn cypress]

how to know if my build is good enough and i am still mr 8 🙂

[ocean geyser]

Uh
Send the build bro

[stiff fable]

For the Mausolon? Just ranking the base damage mod is enough

Really seriously, it's not hard

[stiff fable]

Oh, imperator

Yeah uhh don't bother

[worn cypress]

yeh..

[worn cypress]

why

[stiff fable]

When you build a Necramech you get a different archgun

[worn cypress]

if i dont build a nec am i able to start the quest ?

[stiff fable]

Yes

You'll just use the loaner Necramech

Which won't use Imperator

[ocean geyser]

Mausolon is better

[stiff fable]

Infinitely

But that's only a consideration if you're taking your own mech

[ocean geyser]

Mausolon my goat

[worn cypress]

better or worst ?

i dont have a anecramech

[ocean geyser]

Better

[stiff fable]

It's better to have your own

But for the quest it won't matter

The enemies are like level 10, the loaner will shred them

[worn cypress]

so for the quest what do need to prepare

[stiff fable]

Railjack

[worn cypress]

where to configure it i didnt find

[stiff fable]

Put a health mod on your plexus

Front of your orbiter

Or Kronia Relay has a dry dock

[worn cypress]

those ? @stiff fable

[stiff fable]

Yes

Rank up whichever one is base health

And equip mods under "battle" up top

[worn cypress]

there in no

[ocean geyser]

I take it you haven’t done much RJ

[worn cypress]

there is no other mods

[worn cypress]

ye i just unlocked it

what for those ?

[ocean geyser]

These are intrinsics
Basically leveling them up lets you do more stuff

[stiff fable]

Ironclad Matrix?

Should drop on Earth Proxima

[languid parcel]

levelling intrinsics to make your ship... rail jacked

[ocean geyser]

🦗

[stiff fable]

https://tenor.com/view/horatio-caine-yeah-csi-miami-sunglasses-meme-gif-4566497

[worn cypress]

what to upgrade from them ?

[stiff fable]

The first three ranks in everything are basically free

[worn cypress]

why free ? i have 9 now to consume

[languid parcel]

iirc, Intrinsic grind was really rough when Railjack first dropped, so DE graciously gave everyone a bunch of free ranks

[stiff fable]

They're cheap bro lmao

1 point is like 5 seconds in a mission

[languid parcel]

they're cheap now
I mean, back before Corpus Railjack/ Venus Proxima dropped

[stiff fable]

That was addressed vZin

[worn cypress]

idk anything about it 🙂

[stiff fable]

But yes I was there for the Corpus RJ rework, that's when they created the intrinsic system

They didn't give you free intrinsics so much as they converted your progress in the old system to points for the new system

[misty helm]

https://giphy.com/gifs/flashback-KX1qNVj69tzdC

survival farm flashbacks

[worn cypress]

what should i upgrade in the intrinsics

[languid parcel]

so, is the game hinting Amir grows up into Simaris?
S i m a r i s
SIS Amir

[radiant pier]

nah too sadistic

[stiff fable]

PROBABLY not

[radiant pier]

but I like the way you think

amir's def just tripping tho

[stiff fable]

Simaris seems to be based on an Archimedean named "Irmis"

Assuming the dialogue from Octavia's Anthem is still relevant

[wooden cave]

my god eleanor is a freak
these chemistry messages are something

[stiff fable]

(or that Suda isn't going senile like her original)

[smoky gulch]

Simaris would be the kind of person to make rage games

[loud oriole]

no, obviously Amir grows up into the Archon Amar /j

[languid parcel]

Suda is precious and I will harvest a planet full of brains to keep her mind safe.
Not like the Grineer are using theirs anyway

[stiff fable]

One of my favorite characters

Super underused right now I feel

[languid parcel]

shame, too
a Suda/ Lizzie musical team up would be awesome

[ashen pulsar]

amir grows up into amanata

[radiant pier]

chemistry messages? my good tenno, she was freaky as hell with her base interactions already

[radiant pier]

amanata on YOU

[wooden cave]

but like
😭
typing on the keyboard with your tongue is insane work

[loud oriole]

how could i known! it was so obvious

[radiant pier]

what option did you pick

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-hunhullus-slap-gif-129084042900504655

[wooden cave]

.>
<.<
the second one

[loud oriole]

ollie has discovered just how freaky Eleanor is

[radiant pier]

YES!

I'm more of a Lettie lover myself because I like it when she's mean

[languid parcel]

maroo/ yonta/ syndicate kim de plz...

so, I unlocked the big Naramon sword
Marie references "like the sword out of the legend," aka Excalibur
so... Arthur Nightingale/ Tenno's On First, eh?

[ashen pulsar]

I gotta go with amir

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-warframe-1999-amir-beckett-quincy-isaacs-gif-598994283070582591

he’s so silly and whimsical

[wooden cave]

also
god damnit
I've got the rain check date with arthur
believe I set up the cafe date with aoi
do I want the emo knockoff leon kennedy hunk or do I want the silly mechanic

[languid parcel]

wouldn't Velimir be more the Leon Kennedy? He's definitely more chill

[wooden cave]

also I really wish I could just murder roathe but I'm forced to tolerate him

[languid parcel]

I mean, technically you do murder Roathe, repeatedly, in the Descendia

[wooden cave]

I mean
arthur's more humorous than him
more likely to crack some roast on his enemies
like with viktor
-# >side note I have 0 clue who velimir is 😭

[wooden cave]

but like
I have to tolerate him on the kim messenger stuff

[languid parcel]

I think Velimir's Frost?
I might be getting the name wrong
Lots of dad jokes
very much a cool old guy

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-velimir-frost-gif-3662451561412399985

[wooden cave]

plus I saw artwork of arthur in RE9 leon's different fits and
-# whew

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-warframe-1999-techrot-encore-minerva-gif-1294499047602617563

[languid parcel]

I just realized
if/ when we get Proto-Atlas
they can make him a Chris Renfield clone so we get boulder punching!

https://tenor.com/view/rock-smash-angry-resident-evil-chris-gif-15977463

• Redfield, not Renfield whoops
  completely different undead

[fast dew]

I honestly really do not want more protos unless it fits the story
-# im sorry but the triad was shoved in as mandatory content for the drifter

[loud oriole]

-# 7 minutes…

[fast dew]

Honest to wally, the triad kinda sucks

[wooden cave]

completely unrelated
but

the moment I saw chris and "-field" in the same sentence my mind went "Leon, this is Chris, I need you to continue the Redfield bloodline-"
the rot consumes

[fast dew]

Because if they keep going back to some other time and doing the "oh Albrecht went back in time to-" I will. Explode

It barely fits for the triad

[languid parcel]

I dunnno, if Albrecht single-handedly recreates the Rocky Horror Picture Show, that could be fun

[fast dew]

Could be fun on the surface sure

[loud oriole]

who is leon married to in RE9???
-# its chris redfield, not claire or ada

[fast dew]

But there already is issues with how the triad exist

[wooden cave]

-# that would so funny if it ended up being true
whomever it is
it ain't claire
and captain redfield needs to get an important message about that to leon kennedy

[loud oriole]

-# i keep seeing people say its Sherry which is entirely not even a valid consideration, shes basically Leons adopted daughter

[radiant pier]

silly mechanic

NO! THE SLIGHTLY MEAN LADY THAT MEANS WELL

[languid parcel]

Rude Zuud?

[wooden cave]

wait aoi's birthday is 2 days away in-game for 1999
I must prepare

[fast dew]

1. Albrecht just neglects to ever mention his 3 years in Gaule. Never mentions it. Never mentions kidnapping Roach either. Very. Mm. Coincidental I think is the word

2. How did they even arrive in the sanctum? Roach claims to use a helminth, but that requires a matching helminth inside the sanctum. Something that does not seem to be there.

3. Why did Loid not know? How did Loid just happen to not see the kinda feral orokin Albrecht dragged into the labs in order to get him to xx99?

Like theres a few more but my main lorebased gripes with the existence of them

[strange plinth]

just 250 techrot kills away iirc

[strange plinth]

the only thing i'll point out is that it probably wouldn't require a helminth in the sanctum to get roach to xx99
other two points, yeah

[wooden cave]

that'd skip the day tho
iirc every weekend it moves forward in the days

[fast dew]

True but I assume it was all done in quick succession to the cutscene in whispers yk

But also

How would Albrecht get there 😭

[strange plinth]

completing the task should move you to the reward, then to the birthday

[fast dew]

Pushed roach through the helminth, then. Somehow teleported into xx99 with him?

[languid parcel]

There's a lot of empty space in the Cathedral, DE might expand it later
and a spooky church Hell-minth would be awesome

[fast dew]

Thats why i think they'd be in the sanctum, because Albrecht was with roach

[fast dew]

Eh. I really hope not.

[wooden cave]

right
think I'm at 150

[fast dew]

The triad. Sucks

[wooden cave]

guess I've got some techrot to scrap apart

[fast dew]

Badly.

[languid parcel]

and apparently Roathe can just bleed out Helminths, so you can just stab an Orokin and get a meat-wall

[fast dew]

No, its specifically because he is a protoframe

He also had to actively reverse engineer one

[languid parcel]

oh... that makes more sense

[strange plinth]

protoframe with knowledge of how warframes work, yeah
the others could theoretically do the same

[languid parcel]

oh god I just imagined Ballas' personal Helminth

[fast dew]

So the question is

Where's the matching one in the sanctum

And how did Albrecht follow roach

[ocean geyser]

At least the other two are less nothingburgers than Marie is
Marie mid

[languid parcel]

follow?
I thought Albrecht dumped Roathe in the Middle Ages because he was awful

[fast dew]

Albrecht followed Roach through

[ocean geyser]

sneaky sneaky

[strange plinth]

albrecht was with roathe when he was dumped on the cathedral's stairs
that was when he offered the serum to the other two

[languid parcel]

wait, so Ro made it to the past on his own?

[strange plinth]

no
albrecht took him there during the transformation

[fast dew]

Half of Roach's personality only exists to cater towards "dark romance" fans, hes pretty shallow on that regard

[ocean geyser]

ah wack

[fast dew]

And lyon is. Good but he is just that

[ocean geyser]

Lyon is Lyon™

[languid parcel]

that explains the Ab Window
unless
...he seeks absolution

[fast dew]

Its. How did Albrecht follow through? Used the machine in the sanctum. But. He must've shoved Roach through the helminth

So how does that work yk

[languid parcel]

if I'm understanding the convo thread-
Albrecht dragged Roathe into the Past
Roathe escaped and hung out in France/ Gaul for a while
then Albrecht found him and stabbed Roathe full of ninja juice

[twin wigeon]

albrecht stabs roathe with juice, allowing him to escape a death with nitokh

alb then steals roathe into the past and they go to Gaul

[languid parcel]

oh, I thought all the proto-frames were made in the past
if Albrecht just ran around stabbing people with ninja juice, "new" proto's can just be kept in storage somewhere throughout the system, and they'll have memories of the Old War and stuff

oh! Or we could beat up Albrecht, steal his Frame-Juice, and use it to enhance people we already like
finally, Clem-Frame!

[wooden cave]

the 65th warframe - clem

[languid parcel]

...oh, that also means Albrecht's probably loaded himself up on every Warframe ability and then some

[ashen pulsar]

mmm
condemning our friends to a slow death

[dusty dragon]

What happens if I end up dating like three hex people at once?

[languid parcel]

...I thought warframes were biologically immortal
like, Flare rides a space rock from 1999 to the Present ?

[dusty dragon]

I didn't mean to.

[languid parcel]

...I don't know how you accidentally date three people at the same time
but nice

[wooden cave]

wait are you able to just polycule that and date as many as you want

[dusty dragon]

I don't know, I accidentally set up two dates with amir and aoi.

[wooden cave]

oh I did the same with arthur and aoi

think it might let you pick which one

[dusty dragon]

And lettie wants my drifter for some reason.

I just figured out what to say to them and it's backfired, horribly.

They all like different things and it's really easy to manipulate them into liking me. I hate it.

[languid parcel]

...I'd snark, but I failed out of the "spend New Years alone with a hairless cat" ending

[dusty dragon]

I don't want any of them.

Maybe amir, because he's the most peopley one.

I don't like Romantic stuff.

[languid parcel]

...that's why I "picked" the "alone with a cat" ending, but I ticked off the Quinster and don't want to time-warp all the other Hexies

[dusty dragon]

I just figured out how to get them to like me and now they all want some chicken.

They're all really easy to get to like me and I hate it.

It reminds me of the manipulation crap I used to pull IRL.

[languid parcel]

wait, you want tips on making them angy?
'cause I have 30 years irl of experience in saying the wrong thing at the wrong time

[dusty dragon]

Once I get everything I want from the quest 99 is staying in the past.

[cold star]

holy hell. Aoi during the hex. damn.

[languid parcel]

heh, 1999 IRL
It seemed really so lame and underwhelming at the time
like, well, nowadays, but with a frankly better, sturdier user interface and menus with actual labels on them, not just cutesy icons for everything
I tried pretty hard to forget it, and apparently I was kinda good at it

[strange plinth]

you can't. you can only date one of the hex and/or one of the triad

[dusty dragon]

Sweet.

[restive river]

Warframe’s “polycule” system isn’t actually a polycule

[fast dew]

And the consent system is dog shit

[languid parcel]

..saving my Drifter for alt-timeline Adis
and a Sentient proto-Frame would make no sense, but would be really cool
...and, even though I think the multiverse is kinda overplayed, "I've loved you in every universe" still hits hard

[normal mountain]

Sentient protoframe makes as much sense as a Sentient frame
And Revenant and Caliban exist, so 🤷‍♂️

[languid parcel]

oh, that reminds me-
I'm surprised they haven't killed Valdur yet
good-guy Grineer
and he sounds like Baldr
the Norse God most famous for dying?

[wooden cave]

watch this
they rip him apart in the most violent manner ever
trust

[languid parcel]

...I like my idea that "he's a defense objective, and Loki Prime accidentally switch-teleports him off a cliff" better
less tragic, but somehow worse

maybe missile-toe is the first Prime Kitgun?

[humble sierra]

Mind blowing 🤯 stuff

[radiant pier]

are you COMPLAINING?!

[fast dew]

Awh thats funny

[dusty dragon]

I've told Quincy no multiple times and he still wants my nuggets.

[radiant pier]

you think his VA ever questioned his lines

[dusty dragon]

Maybe.

[languid parcel]

nah. Getting to say weird things in-character is half the fun.
"Look brothers- "

[dusty dragon]

I don't like her.

The only one I like is Amir.

He's the most peopley.

[humble sierra]

The Hex VAs basically put themselves into the characters, it was a collaborative experience

There's a chat with Quincy where he loses his mind over Amir being able to mimic some arcade games

[twin wigeon]

we also indoctrinated the vas into the game

iirc

[humble sierra]

That chat is a direct reference to Quincy's VA learning Amir's VA is the new voice of Mario

[dusty dragon]

I'm still angry about Charles not being in the movie.

Chris Pratt is a plague.

[twin wigeon]

who

[dusty dragon]

Charles Martinet?

[twin wigeon]

...who?

[dusty dragon]

Mario?

[humble sierra]

Tbf it'd be annoying to hear that Mario voice for an entire feature length movie

[languid parcel]

I'm an Aoi fan, I can't complain about characters being precious cinnamon rolls

That said, I'd prefer someone who struck a balance? Not as standoffish as Kaya, but not as conversely outgoing, either?

like, "a job's a job, but let's not get too entangled, 'k?"

[twin wigeon]

whoooo?

kaya's not standoffish

[humble sierra]

It's a me, Mario

[languid parcel]

the original VA for Mario/ "let's do the Mario" ?
I heard he is in the movie, as Mario/ Luigi's dad?

[fast dew]

You know full well the types of VAs they hire for warframe
-# Stefan. Kieran, im looking at you and your audiobook narrations.

[humble sierra]

Yeah he's got a cameo

[twin wigeon]

"audiobook narrations"

[fast dew]

AND ITS JUST GAY SHIT

[twin wigeon]

bwahahahahaha

[fast dew]

I have not recovered from Stefan MOANING DUDE

[twin wigeon]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA

[fast dew]

IM NOT

[twin wigeon]

i love warframe hahahhaha

[fast dew]

Im not okay

[twin wigeon]

yeah ur not

you're "Thomas"

[fast dew]

Certainly not tormis

[radiant pier]

LMFAO FAIRS

[twin wigeon]

my joke was not appreciated

[radiant pier]

what about Eleanor's VA

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

"Your balls itch."
– Eleanor

[midnight ice]

theres a VA interview?

[twin wigeon]

why is that the line you remember from herrrrrr

[fast dew]

Because tennocon

It was a tennocon live

[twin wigeon]

yeah ik i was there

[fast dew]

And i nearly died during it bcus I inhaled my drink

[radiant pier]

pretty hard to forget

[twin wigeon]

i just find it hilarious

[normal mountain]

that'd make it especially memorable

[twin wigeon]

[languid parcel]

after "Thomas Was Alone" (the second best game about cubes after Tetris), "Thomas Was Okay" is a welcome reprieve

[twin wigeon]

[normal mountain]

You do know that a proper spit-take has the drink spewing outward, not inward, right?

hang on

[languid parcel]

you're saying his spit-take sucks ?

[normal mountain]

That one took a moment

[fast dew]

It was. Admittedly very funny after the fact

[radiant pier]

a suck-take

[twin wigeon]

don't.

[fast dew]

That

Theres a line Loid's va did from an audiobook with similar intent

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

Someone put me down.

[languid parcel]

ah, great, the Thomas Was Alone flashbacks hit again...

[twin wigeon]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1301443788790698037/1334707032510435409/tenor.gif

[languid parcel]

stupid well-written drama-Tetris...

[normal mountain]

I might have to look this one up, sounds intriguing

[fast dew]

YAY

Thats awesome its going in the alloid server

[languid parcel]

I don't want to overhype it
It is one of the best things I have ever played.
I don't think I can ever bring myself to play it again.

[normal mountain]

And I say this as someone who once listened to a Hundred Acre Wood bedtime story purely because it was being read by Tom Hiddleston

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[humble sierra]

Anecdote from Kat Kingsley, who wrote the KIM chats, from the TennoCon Narrative panel

A moment overshadowed by Eleanor's voice actor telling us our balls were itchy

[languid parcel]

Oh, that Tom Hiddleston :loki:

I was thinking "oh yeah, the VA for Winnie the Pooh was a side-character on the old black-and-white Superman TV show. They were good, but annoying. He wasn't a villain, per-se, just a low-Wis, high-Int mad scientist, and got tiresome after a while. Oh, bother."

[midnight ice]

ooh!!!

[languid parcel]

:weDon'tHaveALokiEmote:
:waitThatMakesSenseHe'sSupposedToBeInvisible"

[fast dew]

One of my favourites has multiple things heheh

And its pride themed.... limbo..

[normal mountain]

It was super funny, hearing Loki talk about That Silly Old Bear

[fast dew]

[languid parcel]

Come to think of it, I don't recall any bears in Norse mythology
Wolves, sure (Fenrir)
Snakes (Jormungandr)
Horses (Sleipnr)
even squirrels (Rattotoskr)

but no bears
even though "Arctic" means "land with bears" and "Antarctic" (south pole) means "not land with bears," or "land with no bears"

even though the whole vibe of Ragnarok- "things are seemingly dead for a while, but a withered surviving remnant carries on, anyway"- really seems to bear a resemblance 🐻

[fast dew]

Bears are cool

Would rather be alone with a bear than ballas

[languid parcel]

naturally
even if Ballas hibernated, he'd still find a way to betray you
I assume a Dutch Oven is involved...

which is to say
Ballas is utterly unbearable

[fast dew]

Id bite him

Rip his jugular out

[cunning ore]

Someone said Ballas? What new about him? 🥺

[strange plinth]

still dead

[radiant pier]

good.

[languid parcel]

he ded
...probably
...mostly
......I kinda suspect we're gonna fight him again

[radiant pier]

I hope we get to beat the dogshit out of him

[fast dew]

Maybe the mental trauma that shit stain caused

[ashen pulsar]

mental trauma? the guy caused the deaths of thousands, if not millions

[languid parcel]

I already have three trauma-missions to grind every day for a fancy book, hammer, staff, and a couple other things
don't need even more trauma missions unless they reward a lot more

[fast dew]

We're gonna get one more

[humble sierra]

Thor

[fast dew]

Might be a boss rush given what it looked like

[fast dew]

Yeah from all the depictions ive seen he is very Bear. Blonde Bear

Mm... bears..

[languid parcel]

maybe a 🐻‍❄️ in the modern sense, but mythologically, he was just really hammered

[dark compass]

A ginger bear in some

[fast dew]

I ❤️ Bears

[radiant pier]

bears are cute and snuggly

if not friend, why friend shaped?

[fast dew]

True

[dark compass]

Since one of the texts mentioned his red beard

[fast dew]

I. Uh. Know quite few

[radiant pier]

I like seeing the waving bear videos

[dark compass]

Actually apparently it's contentious

[radiant pier]

oh do you like....live near a forest?

[dark compass]

Nevermind me

[languid parcel]

is ambush
looks fren shaped
then it eats you

lots of nature does this
nature angy

[radiant pier]

isn't that still really dangerous though

[fast dew]

Yeah. You could say that.

[dark compass]

Cat traps

[languid parcel]

even mushrooms angy
and they tasty
just a lot, only tasty once

[radiant pier]

what kinda bears have you seen? is it like...1 type of bear per gigantic area

or do y'all got black bears AND browns bears

[fast dew]

idk they looked pretty massive to me

[dark compass]

There's a wide variety

[fast dew]

Heheh. Nuke gets it

[radiant pier]

actually?

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Yeah. A huge amount

[languid parcel]

maybe fren, but always a hairy situation

[radiant pier]

I'm gonna be genuinely honest I only know of em based on colors, grizzly, black bears, pandas, those china panda

[dark compass]

I live in a snowy middle of nowhere

[fast dew]

[radiant pier]

polar bears?

[dark compass]

No

[radiant pier]

go pet one

[fast dew]

Duck, mate its

[radiant pier]

yeah?

[fast dew]

Its a joke about the term bear

[radiant pier]

what's up?

yeah what about bears?

[fast dew]

Bears as in big, fuzzy gay dudes

[midnight ice]

bears are a term for large hairy gay men po

[radiant pier]

OH FOR GOD'S SAKE

[midnight ice]

😭😭

[radiant pier]

AND Y'ALL DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING TIL I KEPT TALKING ABOUT BEARS

[fast dew]

IT WAS FUNNY

[radiant pier]

YOU LET ME DO THAT FOR 5 MINUTES?

[fast dew]

I LET YOU DO A LOT BECAUSE ITS FUNNY

[radiant pier]

and you others

Y'ALL JUST WATCHED? WHY

[fast dew]

Its payback for the transphobic ropapapapapaplyst

[radiant pier]

I was being transphobic to the ropapapapapapalust??

[fast dew]

Yall let me get got so many times

[fast dew]

Nuh uh it was to me and yku didnt stop it

Smh

[strange plinth]

-# funi

[radiant pier]

OH LMAO IT AIN'T MY FAULT YOU RAN OUTTA ENERGY ON YOUR VOID SLING WAY

[fast dew]

NO IT GRABS YOU

IT LITERALLY GRABS YOU

It was so mean

And it kept grabbing me while it got knocked down to blast with the laser

[languid parcel]

rope-a-dope was so long ago
natah's pet birb so angy

[fast dew]

Chicken

Sentient chicken.

[languid parcel]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/605901234087657472/1063318274747678821/9C2D1246-A28F-45D9-B197-73C8C3523674.gif

a senti-ent

[radiant pier]

oh right LMAO THAT WASN'T YOU RIDING IT?

[fast dew]

NO

It would grab me occasionally and id get stuck in the floor

[radiant pier]

that's hilarious

[languid parcel]

...a game-dev frame (similar to Limbo) who uses no-clip to Ult would be really cool and practical tbh

[fast dew]

My marie got grabbed

[dark compass]

We already have Follie as a new gamedev frame

[languid parcel]

I thought she was Artsy Mc'Ink-Blot?
no bug reports unless it's an Infested tile set

[fast dew]

She spawns things in

[strange plinth]

dev console spawn menu ability

just for fun

[radiant pier]

me spawning 20 defense objectives onto the map

I hope we get an augment that decreases cooldown but we're limited to the silly shit and nothing directly useful

[dark compass]

I wish she was more creepy sad clown ability wise :(

But she got size growth and balloons

[languid parcel]

aren't there a couple mods for that? Efficiency/ etc?

[radiant pier]

no one can argue with that

[strange plinth]

iirc they said the cooldowns wouldn't be modifiable?

[radiant pier]

no like, so each thing has it's own cooldown timer

yeah that

[dark compass]

That's why Duck suggested an augment

[radiant pier]

so I propose an augment that significantly decreases an augment

but limits us to the silly shit

[languid parcel]

maybe I was thinking of Duration or something

I mostly just grind to 30, feed to the meat-wall, and go back to Rhino/Protea/Nekros/Atlas