lore-discussion

[twin wigeon]

when does mother stab us?

[humble sierra]

"Why do you sound like me"

[wooden cave]

truth nuke actually

[humble sierra]

(If you don't know Leon's voice actor also plays Velemir and Zeke)

[twin wigeon]

:0

[magic mulch]

A jab eh?

[wooden cave]

oo
interesting

god damn all the other ones seem to be like this too
why my drifter flirty all of a sudden
opened up amir's kim messenger and one of the options is just "are you single?"
like bro 😭
making it even harder to figure out who I wanna go with for the romance

[humble sierra]

Romance all of them

Treat them like collectibles

Then toss them away when you're done with them

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-i-don't-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-gif-1116642795181823087

[magic mulch]

That's how i treat my femboy collection

[wooden cave]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/emojis/1192319330734571560.gif?size=48&animated=true&name=CONCERN

[magic mulch]

HMMMM

[wooden cave]

https://tenor.com/view/garn-47-garn47-car-huh-confused-gif-14701624453881581373

[magic mulch]

Yk i actually need more in my collection

Like 200 isnt enough

[wooden cave]

screw it we ball
arthur will not be spared

[strange turtle]

They mean the Ballas Incident

[strange turtle]

Femboy Leonidas

[twin wigeon]

hum?

[strange turtle]

In New War

Ballas stabs the Operator, and technically Drifter

[twin wigeon]

why was he thinking of mother tho

[strange turtle]

Mother stabs Father

[twin wigeon]

ohhhhhhhhhhh

rightttttt with the seriglassss sharddddddd

[fast dew]

Nah, stabbed her husband

[twin wigeon]

...

:0 we established this

[fast dew]

💔

[wooden cave]

this emo hunk will be mine

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-1999-warframe-arthur-warframe-arthur-nightingale-arthur-nightingale-in-love-gif-17668955199194443376

[fast dew]

I get mother being upset in the moment though, what father said was pretty insensitive and all, but stabbing him was just straight up domestic violence 😭

[twin wigeon]

Is there any non tragic couples?

Prob not, except belric and rania in a sense

[fast dew]

Mm. I was gonna say daughter and her fish but

That doesn't apply

[strange turtle]

Drifter and the Protos if you don’t choose to do anything messed up

uh

Yeah I think that’s it actually 😭

[twin wigeon]

i might be hallucinating but i think Ticker has a loved one?

[stiff fable]

That's one of the most tragic ones

[fast dew]

He's dead 😭

[strange turtle]

IIRC isn’t that one brain shelved though

[twin wigeon]

oh

[stiff fable]

Her guy was brainboxed

[strange turtle]

Oh wait

[twin wigeon]

noooooo

[strange turtle]

Flare and Lizzie

[fast dew]

He is why she does what she does

[stiff fable]

iirc she's in his body

[fast dew]

Hm? No?

[twin wigeon]

flare and lizzie aren't a couple

[fast dew]

They are, they even. Somehow do it

[twin wigeon]

a couple of goobers maybe

[stiff fable]

Lizzie is kinda Flare's tulpa almost

[twin wigeon]

tulpa?

[stiff fable]

Note: she's not they're a very specific thing

[wooden cave]

YOU

I do not hate ballas enough

[stiff fable]

oh don't worry

[fast dew]

Im so. Conflicted.

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[stiff fable]

this will fix that

[strange turtle]

In traditions of mysticism and the paranormal inspired by Tibetan Buddhism, a tulpa is a materialized being or thought-form, typically in human shape, that is created through spiritual practice and intense concentration.

[fast dew]

The guitar did it with a protoframe and ive never felt more jealous/j

[stiff fable]

tulpas are a Tibetan Buddhist concept, an imaginary being you can manifest

Conceptual Embodiment, from a real world religion basically

[twin wigeon]

uh oh

[lean garden]

alternatively, you could read it as flare not finding it adorable last night if it helps with feeling jealous

[fast dew]

Im jealous i couldn't join either of them 💔 the one confirmed trans proto and I cant even date them. Lizzie too I like her enough

[strange turtle]

My dumbass forgot VelMin 😭

[stiff fable]

they're tragic too

[strange turtle]

Yeah but they can get back together

[lean garden]

Flare: cute in a man eating horror kind of way

Lizzie: Thats not what you said last night (:<

Players: Haha they banged

Flare (last night): OH GOD OH GOD WHYYYYYY AAAAAAAAAH

[fast dew]

Arthur and Aoi. They weren't tragic at all they just sucked

[stiff fable]

that's just tragedy with a good ending

[fast dew]

Tragic relationships rely on being forced apart by something beyond their control i feel

Arthur just being a idiot doesn't count as that yk

[wooden cave]

wait what

[strange turtle]

Flare’s nb

[wooden cave]

oo

[fast dew]

See this sounds like im a chaser but im not i swear im just t4t

[strong viper]

I kinda agree

I hard regret dating aoi because we just had the crane convo lol

[radiant pier]

at first I was like "AOI, HANDS DOWN."

and then Lettie was a little mean to me

so obviously I'm a changed man/woman

[wooden cave]

same here
but then I saw the emo hunk for what he was

[fast dew]

I saw the emo hunk for what he was. A binge drinker and thats not something I fw

[radiant pier]

I'd rather have the lady that's mean to me the way I like it

I deadass didn't realize I was purposely avoiding the scrubbers and whatever other mission objective there was to hear her lmao

[wooden cave]

YOU AGAIN

I SWEAR IF THIS WASN'T A CUTSCENE I WOULD GUT YOU

[jolly root]

Id wear his entrails as a scarf

[twin wigeon]

https://tenor.com/view/riddler-paul-dano-new-rockstars-thumbnail-does-he-know-he-doesnt-know-gif-27552850

[wooden cave]

I love how even the tenno's like You.
because she remembers when he stabbed her through the spinal cord

[twin wigeon]

thats not exactly why

but sure think of it as it is

[ashen pulsar]

I don't think that's why, because that happened a few thousand years later

these are memories, albeit glitchy ones

[wooden cave]

but the tenno can still recall the present events
like when loid comes to pull her out to fight off the murmur

[fast dew]

They can only do that due to some form of warping

That didnt happen in the actual memory

[wooden cave]

either way

we do not hate ballas enough

[wooden cave]

god damn
that part where u use the uriel warframe is so peak
had me feeling like a god

[stiff fable]

They just did it so everyone would have their 2026 wallpaper early

[ripe crest]

Okay so just finished the Hex story… but do we assume that the Hex crew’s protoframes are a precursor form, prior to their full transformations later on?
Or do we assume that this is just a parallel universe and that they simply resemble their warframe versions?

[wooden cave]

I think the first one
since it's definitely the same universe, just different points in time

[ripe crest]

Then there’s more questions. Aren’t they meant to die in 1999? And the warframes are made by the Orokin later on right?

[strange plinth]

made by the orokin later on, yes
when they die isn't super important

[stiff fable]

So, it's time travel

The Warframes were made in the far future, by Ballas

[wooden cave]

I mean
yes
I believe so
the protoframes act as templates the orokin would pull from for the starting warframes, excalibur, mag, volt, trinity, and cyte-09
at least imo

[stiff fable]

Then Albrecht Entrati hatched a plan to fight the Man in the Wall, and part of it involved visiting 1999

[strange plinth]

at least 18 radiation wars between 1999 and the orokin era will wipe out most evidence of the Hex regardless

[stiff fable]

While he was there, he infected a few dozen to few hundred people with Warframe Helminth strains

[lean garden]

the orokin will not refer to the protoframes for warframe designs

[wooden cave]

also when tf do I get to kiss arthur
he said he'd talk to me about me confessing sometime later
BUT WHEN IS THAT LATER

[stiff fable]

The survivors became the protoframes

[wooden cave]

I NEED THIS

[stiff fable]

The protoframes are NOT prototype Warframes

[lean garden]

the protoframes have absolutely no bearing on the orokin making warframes

[stiff fable]

The most correct name would probably be "pseudoframes"

In that they are close to being full Warframes, but are not all the way there

[wooden cave]

also I find it funny how in the old peace questline you get to play as excalibur prime for each mission you're in your frame
it's just DE ragebaiting the players because you can't get that prime anymore

[stiff fable]

basically

[strange plinth]

you had him at one point. but you lost him :)

[wooden cave]

yeah

[stiff fable]

imo they should have given everyone who finished the Old Peace the affinity for him

[wooden cave]

I think there should at LEAST be a skin to replicate the prime design
or even just a helmet

I bet that'd look peak on umbra
excali prime's helmet

[stiff fable]

eh it's kinda dumb looking

Umbra's head is probably the best of the proper Excal variants

Even Excal Umbra Prime looks kinda goofy

[wooden cave]

also I need the answer
I need this emo hunk

[stiff fable]

Once the calendar loops

[wooden cave]

god damnit

so just keep playing 1999 until it hits jan 1st?

[strange plinth]

partially
the year will pass on its own w/ a few weekly resets

[ashen pulsar]

I think it's cooler

[wooden cave]

ooo

[ashen pulsar]

than umbra

[wooden cave]

that would go well with my current umbra fit
albeit mine is

[stiff fable]

There's bits I like about it but it's still one step too much imo

[ashen pulsar]

I like it

[stiff fable]

Excalibur is tied with Loki for "that's just a guy in a suit" though

[wooden cave]

mine is very cheesy if u know what I mean

I might swap out the yellow for just a brighter orange tho

[ashen pulsar]

the arturius helmet is my fav tbh

most excal skins arent very good but there are some bangers

[wooden cave]

oki that's definitely better

also what happens if I go visit kalymos
it wants me to go redo new year's eve

[ashen pulsar]

dewit

only if u have like 20 mins to spare

[wooden cave]

then I can't

[humble sierra]

Each week IRL is a different season. Each month, when it changes from Autumn to Winter (Oct-Dec to Jan-Mar), is when you would automatically get the cutscene from your partner.

Pretty sure it just became Autumn

[wooden cave]

seasons only depend on when exactly you started 1999
I only started recently so I'm stuck in july right now

-# they skipped pride month

[humble sierra]

No it's definitely the same for everyone, I was just wrong about it being autumn

[strange plinth]

same calendar for everyone

[wooden cave]

it was july 8th when I got off

middle of summer

[humble sierra]

Not in Hollvania

[wooden cave]

YES IT IS
you are gaslighting I literally was just doing 1999 a few hours ago

[humble sierra]

JanFebMar
AprMayJun
JulyAugSep
OctNovDec

That's how Hollvania splits her seasons

[wooden cave]

it was july 8th they cannot have skipped the whole month
it was may this morning

[strange plinth]

reset happened around 6 hours ago, yeah

[humble sierra]

So really, YOU skipped pride month

[wooden cave]

I was on 6 hours ago it was still summer

[wooden cave]

I didn't MEAN to

[strange plinth]

yea it became summer today

[wooden cave]

I got to the confession with arthur and it skipped all the way to july

[humble sierra]

Can't believe you didn't grind the gamemode until you were completely done with the entire season calendar immediately after finishing the quest smh

[cunning ore]

Anyone got anything about Arlo and some other connections to this character than the Zealoid?

[tall echo]

Check the nightwave stories

("Tune in" button in the nightwave menu)

[cunning ore]

So there only just that and nothing else currently?

Thank you anyway, if there nothing else

[tall echo]

He's a nightwave character, there won't be any more

[cunning ore]

Zealoid was on starchart and counted as one of a Boss in the Demois node so i thought there sth more but if you say so

[tall echo]

Yeah zealoid got shoved over there at some point

[woven coyote]

Hey steve we have this extra boss here leftover from nightwave
Steve: spills zealoid on deimos

[fast dew]

Tbf where else would zealoid go 😭

Mm, eris maybe

[smoky gulch]

IMO zealoid is more of not letting created content go to waste thingy

So sadly little lore meat left on that chicken wing

[fast dew]

Yall wanna see some bad misinterpretation of the lore

I cannot keep having this conversation

[opaque zenith]

Tbf naming the elite and the empire the same thing is kinda confunsing to explain sometimes.
The techrot tho was a retcon not updated by most lore channels so misinfo is easier to happen, plus the tentative theory to explain 1999, before it was lauched was alt-timeline scenario (which was proven wrong, but later and in an AMA).
TLDR: This is the endgame of all the theory-crafting over the years, dificulty in getting the right info to the detail parts

[opaque zenith]

Glad I did a TLDR, void that's a wall

[pale cedar]

They're falling for Scaldra Propaganda

[fast dew]

Yeah they also think Loid's an orokin so

As in

Same ranking as Albrecht

[pale cedar]

They're just showing how little they know about the Orokin and Infestation

Also showing how little they payed attention in prior quests

[opaque zenith]

At least there's a kim to help explaining that part of the orokin empire != being an Orokin

Forgot which 1 sec

[pale cedar]

Orokin is a really simple concept

Orokin class vs Orokin citizen

All you need to do is look at any Royal family ever

[opaque zenith]

AoiRank4Convo6: D- "Hah. I'm not an Orokin. I'm just from their empire. Very different."
A- "ooooh. confusing"

[fast dew]

Nodding nodding

[opaque zenith]

Consider the phrase "The Orokin noble of the Orokin empire ordering his Orokin servant (that is not an Orokin)"
Too many Orokins gets confusing to first timers

[pale cedar]

Confusing is it really Aoi?

You're living in a city practically run by Scaldra are you Scaldra because Scaldra are the main faction?

It's pretty simple

You can be a citizen without being the Class

Actually, do we know where Aoi is from originally?

[opaque zenith]

Imagine if scaldra was the city name, and the civilians beings scaldra citizens but not part of the scaldra military. Confusing

[pale cedar]

She should just ask Arthur or Quincy how it works

Tbh it’s the same as most government structures

There's the people in charge
Then the people below them who are just citizens

[fast dew]

Yeah. Iirc its the equivalent of Japan

[pale cedar]

If she's from Japan she should know

[fast dew]

True their schooling system is apparently good

[pale cedar]

Japan also would've had an Emperor or equivalent before the Orokin

[opaque zenith]

Alt-Canada actualy (AoiRank3Convo5), but japanese parents I'd assume (I gave up searching more)

[pale cedar]

Didn't DE say there is no Canada?

[fast dew]

Oh yeah I should specify that was this was their prior conversation, because. I pointed out that Roach actively participated in the genocide of sentients and is actively classist, but somehow he's seen as less bad than Albrecht

They're blaming Albrecht for the genocide of the sentients because. He made void travel 😭

[pale cedar]

He just picked up the fingers

He didn't even create the War methods used

[radiant pier]

okay so now I'm more confused about the homophobes in the community denying that Albrecht loves Loid

Kim chat, The Drifter describes Loid as Albrecht's lover(Marie necraloid convo)

I didn't know Otak was that

[pale cedar]

Otak was what?

[radiant pier]

Archimedian scientist

[dark compass]

First mistake you've committed is assuming those people have logic behind what they're saying

[radiant pier]

responsible for making argon useful, especially for Warframe creations

[radiant pier]

okay fair enough

[pale cedar]

This is what I use against Powerscaler's logic

Warframe players legit don't use logic despite understanding the story very well

[fast dew]

Well. The debate was mainly from before 1999

[radiant pier]

I think the yaoi statues were enough

[fast dew]

Nup

They could make out live on screen and you'd get deniers

[dark compass]

Oh my god they were roommates

[fast dew]

Omg they were roommates.....

[pale cedar]

Roommates with benefits

[strange turtle]

“Would’ve mentioned it before the 1999 update”
As if literally anything about that era got mentioned before WITW+1999 😭

[fast dew]

Afaik the 18 rad wars were in a zariman tablet so

[strange turtle]

Yeah but those came after

And only one specifically is around then

And before 1999, they could’ve been at any point

The update, I mean

[rough stone]

gachiakuta type stuff

[crude wyvern]

What's the deal with the sergeant?

[radiant pier]

Jade Quest

LMFAOOOOOO

I LOVE THIS

SO ORDIS CAN JUST PURGE WHOEVER IS ON THE ORBITER

and Ordis mentions Umbra

@midnight ice I think you're right about Umbra just kinda doing whatevs on the ship lmfao

[loud oriole]

umbra is just our resident humanoid shaped guard dog

[strange turtle]

Wdym?

[crude wyvern]

Why is he a target?

[radiant pier]

I like the idea of Umbra driving the orbiter around sometimes

[pale cedar]

Nah

Not even Operator does that

[cunning ore]

He would try to purify my mind or Ordis might purge me out of the Orbiter

[strange turtle]

Right now there isn’t really a specific reason

He used to be Sergeant Nef Anyo, and the controller of the Corpus Solar Rail’s in that “district”

We targeted him because he was using that to collect and auction off Warframes from cryopods

[radiant pier]

there are people who disliked the jade quest?

[fast dew]

Yeah people who don't like the idea of pregnancy ig

[cunning ore]

Or that too traumatize them for they to just finding a fun game to play

[radiant pier]

why

okay wait don't answer that I'll just go with "these people suck"

Hunhow doesn't seem that totally terrible

[cunning ore]

He just bad in parenting

[strange turtle]

thats why he’s the great and terrible

[woven coyote]

Love that nickname for hunhow

So easy to put out of context

[pale cedar]

He's the great and terrible for that very reason

[dark compass]

He's great because he's massive, he's terrible because he's bad at parenting

[delicate rune]

Imagine, there's a retcon, new acolyte, they have a pet. Oh my Gs. LMAO.

[dark compass]

It's a Moacolyte

[delicate rune]

It's a cat.

The pet is... The pet is a cat (kavat).

[ashen pulsar]

kavacolyte?

[storm wharf]

I mean the acolytes use warframe models, could be one using Khora’s lol

[ocean geyser]

They try to say that Jade is a fetish and the devs are weird for making the quest

That’s what ive been seeing

[peak ether]

Damn, there’s people out there that genuinely believe that umbra is the first warframe ever made…

[narrow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/patrick-spongebob-spongebob-meme-patrick-meme-dumb-patrick-gif-9974665538168463324

posting that especially after old peace is insanity

[peak ether]

Yeah I don’t understand how one plays through the quest and comes to that conclusion. Sacrifice just goes over the reason why Ballas betrayed the empire, exposing the truth about the warframes, him getting caught and punishing the dude for catching him. Nothing about it indicates that umbra was integral to winning the war or being a prodigy.

[fast dew]

I love posting bad lore takes, its so fun

[fast dew]

. A fetish.??

[narrow pendant]

same group of people that hate follie's design solely bc they cant yerk it to her

projection

[dark compass]

You see. Any sort of non conventionally attractive female character is fetish content

Because obviously the only reason female characters exist is to satisf-

[fast dew]

Mm. Right.

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/stinky-loser-tiny-kitten-explode-gif-15623895175038521381

[fast dew]

Albrecht would never

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[normal mountain]

skill issue, ngl

[dark compass]

We don't know his warframe design tastes, the only frame he designed was made with a very utilitarian purpose

[normal mountain]

...maybe that is his design taste
Utilitarian

[narrow pendant]

why did he give qorvex individual grippers though

[normal mountain]

and plastered with Obels

[narrow pendant]

this has huge plot relevance

[ashen pulsar]

“it’s not realistic-

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-digital-extremes-adis-the-old-peace-excalibur-gif-181516051326519478

that is NOT why they’re complaining

[dark compass]

See

Qorvex doesn't have obols

A true tasteful Albrecht design would've had them

[fast dew]

He kinda does?

[dark compass]

I don't think Qorvex got any

[fast dew]

On his arms, the silver circles

[normal mountain]

Mandonel does tho

[fast dew]

From memory at least, id need to check once im home

[dark compass]

Mandonel does, but not Qorvex

[normal mountain]

Maybe there just wasn't enough room on Qorvex with all that konkreet

[dark compass]

Not a smidgen of gold on Qorvex

[dark compass]

Very distinctly not obols

[normal mountain]

Or maybe Qorvex was an aesthetic rush job

[dark compass]

Just some mechanical parts

[fast dew]

Close enough yk

Id also say that the. Codpiece. Was a choice

[humble sierra]

They're saving the obols for Qorvex Prime

[dark compass]

Mandonel has them

[ashen pulsar]

check out volt and gauss prime

[humble sierra]

A necessity

[dark compass]

It's even breathing

Animated alongside his armor

[normal mountain]

😰

[ocean geyser]

Had to make sure no radiation leaked from down there maybe

[fast dew]

Albrecht would say that.

/derogatory
-# /j

[dark compass]

He would be fond of Limbo Prime

[fast dew]

The core is located in Qorvex's chest i think

[dark compass]

Yeah it's in the chest

[normal mountain]

Radiation has ways of getting places it shouldn't tho

[fast dew]

He would be, but i feel as if he'd look at loid and do the. "... oh yall got the same fit"

[normal mountain]

Best not to take chances

[fast dew]

It is probably why qorvex is made of concrete, to stop that

[misty helm]

Bold of you to assume somebody won't do it anyways

[normal mountain]

Like I said
Skill issue

[ashen pulsar]

balls would frame someone if he didn’t like the way they looked at him

would be hilarious if follie got warframed cuz she drew ballass pregnant or smth

[normal mountain]

I wonder what kind of frame
Wooden? Gold, perhaps?

[ashen pulsar]

infestation

[normal mountain]

Gold then

[ashen pulsar]

sword-steel?

[misty helm]

Imagine getting warframe'd as a punishment, but turns out you'll be turned into a Yareli instead of a cool looking WF

[ocean geyser]

I wouldn’t mind being reli

[misty helm]

Forever condemned to be cringe

[ocean geyser]

I get to have Merulina bro

[ashen pulsar]

yareli prime? hell yeah

yareli default? meh

[ocean geyser]

Yareli prime with base Kompressa

[ocean geyser]

Yareli pandea for you

[ashen pulsar]

ew

god no

[ocean geyser]

:(

[ashen pulsar]

squiggly lil creep

[ocean geyser]

Does it make sense that I always think of a gorilla when i see this dude

[dark compass]

You're definitely not alone

[ocean geyser]

The wiki people think so
Then again the wiki people think a lot of things

[fast dew]

The wiki people think a lot yeah

[ocean geyser]

That guy who thought wally wasn’t real takes the top spot though
Funniest shit

Especially once New War came out

[strange turtle]

I mean
It’s in the name

[fast dew]

[misty helm]

Wally is an Orokin psyop

[restive river]

Wait what LOL

[ocean geyser]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/786650808321048596/1454868666444288182/image0.jpg?ex=69c2b708&is=69c16588&hm=8053a0ad22407b658a80225e29c89911392424b470390eaf9b06ddc42a7c68d6&

[restive river]

8 year old post

[twin wigeon]

What does roathe say about Wally again?

[dark compass]

That Albrecht just conceptually embodied him

[restive river]

Nah it’s super fair to have thought he wasn’t real in 2018 when all we really had was Chains of Harrow
I know someone who was playing then who thought Wally was some void-born hallucination since we just didn’t have actual information on him beyond one quest
Idek if the connection to War Within had been made yet

[restive river]

He says a lot tbh

[dark compass]

The one consistent thing he says about Wally is that from his point of view there's no grander power or entity in the void that took its form

[fast dew]

Common sentiment that he didnt really form by himself (he read the operator report and put 2 and 2 together)

[restive river]

I’d take what Roathe says with a grain of salt since he doesn’t really have any better of an idea than we do, he can only really posit theories

[dark compass]

And it's just Albrecht performing conceptual embodiment that resulted in Wally being a thing

[restive river]

Roathe exists to bring up and shoot down some theories while presenting new ones, that’s all
We still don’t know anything for sure

[restive river]

You don’t perform conceptual embodiment, it’s not an intentional thing

[dark compass]

He's about just as clueless, he's just much more arrogant about it

[restive river]

He fell into the void, afraid and a void of a man
The void does what it do and boom
Wall boy

[dark compass]

Phrasing

Sorry

[restive river]

He’s just another loretuber theorist

[fast dew]

I still think Albrecht going into the void was. Some form of. ||self harm?|| Risk taking behaviour?

[restive river]

I mean it was a risk but not out of self harm but desperation, he wanted to prove the void was anything useful

[fast dew]

Id. Still classify it as that tbh

[restive river]

I wouldn’t, there’s a distinction between wanting to harm oneself and just being risky for a thing you believe in
He was desperate and was trying anything he could

Tbh he’s kind of a bad scientist, he should have had someone else go in first instead if he was going to jump to human trials
But if he was as low as he was with the Orokin then maybe his resources were a bit more limited

[dark compass]

May also have the "I want to see it with my own eyes" mentality

Very much needing to be at the forefront of any even extremely dangerous research

[restive river]

I can see that, but that’s still not a good idea to do

He was desperate so I get it but dude
This ain’t how you science

[fast dew]

Risk as in disregard for safety knowing it will cause harm, is what im getting at

Disregarding that stuff can be a form of it, if intentional

[dark compass]

Though that kind of paints him as someone who would've done experiments on himself

But he's not running around as a protoframe so like

[restive river]

And my point is he was doing it out of desperation in regards to the void, just cause he didn’t care for himself in that moment doesn’t mean he intended to harm himself

[restive river]

I can see him doing that as a last last resort

If he became part of the infested hivemind then Wally could never get him technically

[normal mountain]

my current loadout

[dark compass]

Albrecht Entrati, which frame would he have injected himself with

[ocean geyser]

Yeah but it’s pretty funny regardless

Especially since im pretty sure Palladino clarifies that Rell… wasn’t Rell

[restive river]

It’s funny in hindsight but entirely understandable lol

Again, hindsight
Back then we really didn’t know what Wally was, if it was just some void-born hallucination or what
We had no hard proof he was real other than the fact he latched onto us

[ocean geyser]

He chose a peak way of revealing himself though
Dude showed up as a man in a literal wall

[restive river]

Yeah lol

New War hitting home that
Oh
He is truly and wholly real real

Which the ropa fight also hinted at it iirc

[strange turtle]

From the way he words it it sounds like people just, wouldn’t have been willing to work with him

They all had given up on me and my paradoxical formulations. The wasted years had all shown the Void to be just that. Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form. To space-faring ambitions, a dead end. On the day, my laboratory was mostly vacant of witnesses; most of all, of expectation. Only my sluggish attendants, my sagacious kavat Kalymos, and, of course, my daughter.

[peak ether]

wasnt he practically ostrasized before his discovery? i thought he only really had his daughter and loid to help him out at that point

[restive river]

Yeah, I do still think he should have tried something else
Toss in an animal first with a camera strapped to them
Anything but just jumping to using yourself
But again he was desperate

[ocean geyser]

See he did that afterwards

Albrecht is certainly a fella

Bro did it backwards

[restive river]

Bro does not know what he’s doing
But he is certainly doing it anyway

[strange turtle]

Truly, a pioneer in laboratory ethics

[twin wigeon]

He also knew what he was thinking

[restive river]

Ah yes we’re on the fifth pyramid of dead animals
Lets put more in!

[misty helm]

Were the Cavia sent into the void before or after Albretch threw himself into it?

[twin wigeon]

Especially since he made a seriglass diving bell

[peak ether]

after

[restive river]

After

[fast dew]

After but also before

[strange turtle]

Well after

[ocean geyser]

After

[ocean geyser]

Void moment

[fast dew]

He seemingly did it twice

How else does one get to duviri

[twin wigeon]

After

[fast dew]

... the zariman but that wasnt there atp

[dark compass]

From the navigation menu

[restive river]

Albrecht Entrati was the first biological being with a consciousness that entered the void
Everything before him was simple drones that found nothing

[ocean geyser]

Although the Void is funky with time

[peak ether]

remind me isnt duviri just outside of the void? like between the "real" space and void?

[restive river]

It is but also the events are p clear cut here

[ocean geyser]

No it’s in there

[fast dew]

Something I dont see folk talk enough about is that he was. Visually monitoring the cavia until it broke

[strange turtle]

They did not die, save one. They came back changed. Witnesses. Pilgrims, even, chanting freakish praise to the one beyond the wall.

I knew, then, that my gambit had lost. So long as I worked through scapegoats, my guilt would only deepen. I must atone for what I had done through my own blood.

next note

In Duviri, I woke every day to

[restive river]

It’s in the void

[strange turtle]

You’re thinking of the Zariman

[fast dew]

See, this is what makes me think it was more of an intentional. Attempt yk

[strange turtle]

Which is wedged between the Void and realspace in The Very Large Hole

[restive river]

I sure hope the scientist was doing his job and observing the experiment

[dark compass]

Zariman is plugging a hole to the void

Void in that area is Duviri

Past duviri is Undercroft

Them it's the rest of the void

It's like a triple layer

[fast dew]

"No more scapegoats" so hes gonna use himself "i must atone for what I had done through my own blood" doesn't sound. Particularly "i am not gonna hurt myself"

[ocean geyser]

So imo i think it’s entirely plausible for someone to enter Duviri despite being from a time when it didn’t exist yet, simply because the Void kinda just Does That with time

[misty helm]

But wasn't he left blind after the first encounter with Wally and the whole gate shenanigan

[restive river]

Think of Duviri as in a bubble, the outer layer or wall of the bubble is the undercroft and the Zariman is shoved half way inside the bubble and half was in realspace

[fast dew]

He was healed by. The m e m b r a n e

[peak ether]

yeah thats what i thought

[fast dew]

Yk

[restive river]

He was but his boyfriend healed him

[misty helm]

Insane of the m e m b r a n e

[fast dew]

I wish they kept his white eyes

[strange turtle]

I wanted nothing but the ease of oblivion, at first. I floated ignorant in baths of nepenthe, a second gestation. Unseeing, unspeaking. Only rarely did my brain flicker errant light across the cave-paintings still smeared on the interior of my skull.

At sensation's edge, I knew a vague silhouette of Loid crooning motherly across the watery distances, the poetry my tongue was too blackened to recite.

…

Disgust did the work of courage. I tore the mundane membrane, slid weak and mucosal into Loid's embrace.

Loid nursed me then, tending first to the uprooted ruin of my eyes, then to the mouth whose grin no longer hid behind flesh.

The agony bit deep, but it was clean. Blameless love bled up from me.

I had decided to live.

I felt no certainty as I donned clothes rough and strange to the touch of newgrown skin. I had none of the selfless zeal of the soldier.

[fast dew]

He looks uncanny in the bad way now

[peak ether]

i like his einstein look tbh

[fast dew]

Ive always struggled to understand the "Whose grin no longer hid behind flesh" part

[misty helm]

Yeah, me too

Was he left... faceless or something?

Did his face melted or what

[fast dew]

As in. Wally? Or. Was it his face being blasted open

[fast dew]

Pretty much actually

Ever seen how a sandblaster works?

[restive river]

No he was just blinded

He got cut up by the glass

[fast dew]

Ehh, his mouth was. Mucked up

His tongue was blackened and his throat ruined so

[restive river]

Either the Orokin just have good med tech or he wasn’t hurt badly enough that they had to like
Emergency continuity

Which he would have been against anyway due to the trauma he had just endured

[fast dew]

I wouldn't say that. Glass burned his tongue or anything

[ashen pulsar]

how do you even heal from that?

[restive river]

Good med tech

[ashen pulsar]

probably

[fast dew]

Nepthene or whatever the word was

[restive river]

The Orokin can live for a long time even aside from continuity so like

[ashen pulsar]

must’ve rebuilt most of his face

[restive river]

And he was clearly healed enough that he’s doing fine enough

[fast dew]

I imagine they have some form of scar reduction

[restive river]

Refacia kit go brrr

I wonder if the refacia kit is painful

It probably is

[misty helm]

Arogya Medica! (the thing that was mentioned only that one time in a comic and never-ever mentioned again!)

[fast dew]

It. Looks like an injection

From memory at least

[strange turtle]

I think that’s just the anaesthetic actually

[fast dew]

We floating in anaesthetic now 😭

[peak ether]

its so mundane compared to the rest of the lore but, their mastery over biology being one of their first main feats as a society always fascinated me

[restive river]

Your skin is still being turned into a different color and I’m not sure it’s just fancy dye

[restive river]

Yeah, their biotech is really cool :]

[fast dew]

Mm true

[strange turtle]

The word nepenthe first appears in the fourth book of Homer's Odyssey:
Translation: Then Helen, daughter of Zeus, took other counsel.
Straightway she cast into the wine of which they were drinking a drug
to quiet all pain and strife, and bring forgetfulness of every ill.

Or maybe they were being fancy when naming it and wanted to go like “oh it chases pain away like it heals injuries, the source of pain”

[restive river]

I kinda hope Unum isn’t infested and she’s just cool biotech

[misty helm]

Yeah, like they saw the infested growing steel and all the stuff... and somehow, they went like "Yeah cool, but what if it was gold though "

[fast dew]

Speaking of, how do we feel knowing Albrecht probably has some form of stretch marks?
-# I need. To fix some art knowing this now

[fast dew]

Mm, nodding nodding I see

[restive river]

What are we supposed to feel about that

[fast dew]

Idk i like yalls input, like do you think the orokin managed to remove it or

[strange turtle]

Probably

[restive river]

Oh probably

[fast dew]

I love the idea personally but also
Orokin and their vanity im unsure they would

[peak ether]

im not even talking about warframes in terms of biology, im talking about how they essentially have complete control over the human genome that they could edit it however they wanted

[fast dew]

Oh maybe thats why Albrecht wears a shirt

When most other male orokin. Dont really wear shirts

[strange turtle]

I imagine they’d see it as a impurity/marring on the skin, and a sign of improper care and development

[fast dew]

Brilliant

[restive river]

How to make arm long
How to make arm blue
How to be taller
How to have sculpted hair
How to have glowy eyes
Etc etc

[misty helm]

How to have multiple stomachs so I can eat more

[peak ether]

Dont they practice kintsugi?

[restive river]

So glad Grendel ate that guy

[peak ether]

then again the philosophy behind it is probably only applied to pottery and not their bodies

[restive river]

To some extent ye

i can see them losing the philosophy behind it and just liking it cause GOLD

[strange turtle]

That’s an artform

Stretch marks just, happen, naturally

[restive river]

An artform with a philosophy that the Orokin may not share

[restive river]

So does a cup breaking

[strange turtle]

A biological imperfection

[restive river]

Unless it’s intentional but you know what I mean lol

[strange turtle]

And when a cup breaks, you either throw it away, or put it back together again

[peak ether]

yeah i could 100% see that happening

[strange turtle]

Generally you don’t just, keep the shards afterwards

[restive river]

And the whole point of kintsugi is to accentuate the cracks

To shine a light on that flaw

[forest lagoon]

I LOVE KINTSUGI

[restive river]

The Orokin weren’t about flaws but I can see them utilizing kintsugi just cause
Gold and pretty

Not for the philosophy behind it

[strange turtle]

A cup’s also. An object

Like, I don’t think kintsugi practitioners are generally designing their outfits and makeup to do the same with their stitches or anything like that

[misty helm]

Maybe all of it, though

[forest lagoon]

I think the point that’s trying to be made is that the orokin would likely see something broken and see it as an imperfection to throw away and discard, and kintsugi is a way of seeing beauty behind the brokenness, which is a philosophy the orokin may not have

[restive river]

“Ooh gold, pretty” not “accentuate the flaws and imperfections”

[misty helm]

For all we know, the empire existed for a very long time, so it wasn't always a bunch of sickos 24/7... They did conquer the stars and everything else; basically the peak of humanity

So every aspect of that, "kintsugi" could be true; they could've saw it for the aesthetics and for the philosophy too 🤷

We have Ayatans as a reminder of how philosophical and even spiritual that the culture of the Orokin era was

[woven coyote]

Technically "star" singular they never quite succeeded at the secind one

[fast dew]

No but thats a brilliant idea actually

[rapid copper]

Now I just arrived at the Sacrifice quest, and I have 2 questions

One, what was that scenario where I just saw a reflection of myself when inserting a key into the Railjack?

And two, I thought Lotus used to be Natah, but did she get mistaken for Margulis when Ballas encountered her in Chimera Prologue quest?

[fast dew]

Gilded stretch marks, awesome

[peak ether]

basically yeah, he see's margulis in lotus because natah copied her to gain control over the tenno initially

[misty helm]

Why, yeah, Nihil and Ballas had some awesome golden tattoos too

[fast dew]

He did, both did

[fast dew]

Nihil...

Nihil's ones usually has glass between them

[rapid copper]

Oh, she needs a facial scan to access a list of tennos?

[misty helm]

Now that I think about it, when he assembled the Paracesisisisiss, did he used his long arm to "call down" the parts?

[rapid copper]

That is interesting

[fast dew]

Nihil's kinda reminds me of arcane and the. Anomaly thing

[peak ether]

no it was more that because the tenno saw her as a mother figure, she copied her so she could manipulate them

[woven coyote]

Yup same arm that disconected the cables on the lotus too iirc

[fast dew]

Mm, I think so? The two orokin that had greatswords seemed to use their long arm for it too

[rapid copper]

Oh that is diabolical

[fast dew]

The other being. Nihil. Ballas does it too

[misty helm]

Guess they all have some kind of wireless Orokin-only tech embeded on those things? Given how we can see they all have those strange-looking/tech-looking scars on them

[fast dew]

It could just be some form of body modification

Intentional scarring yk

[peak ether]

yeah her mission was to infiltrate the orokin empire and turn the tenno against them but because she lost her ability to reproduce by travelling through the void she eventually ended up seeing the tenno as her own children and couldn't complete her mission to the fullest which was to destroy us after the empire fell.

[rapid copper]

Right, according to her father

[misty helm]

Yeah, absolutely

Maybe Ballas only, then? He even has what seems to be those gold dot-like things we get for the somatics for Operators

[fast dew]

He remains the great and terrible hunhow

[fast dew]

Oh yeah transference isnt unique to the tenno, I assume thats what those are

[misty helm]

True! I just remembered he also mentioned that to Umbra. How he had 'installed' a transference-thingy so he could speak in that creepy voice

[peak ether]

assuming that this was done before they transferred into the bodies, and the fact that they dont look implanted. I feel even more sorry for the yuvan's because it implies they had molten gold tattoed onto them

[fast dew]

And Silvania in the silver grove

[fast dew]

Mm, wouldn't be surprising

[ocean geyser]

I wonder who the grineer were originally cloned from sometimes

[fast dew]

Multiple people, i wouldnt put it on a singular guy

[ocean geyser]

Fair

I was sorta thinking one guy and one woman considering male and female grineer exist but that would also make sense

[misty helm]

I do wonder how did that worked, though... 🤔 The whole yuvan thing and the transference that seemed to take place during the continuity ritual

Did they modified and basically morphed the Yuvan's body to fit their old asthetic? Or would they just ride with whatever appearance the yuvan had?

[peak ether]

and also probably an IVF human with altered DNA appropriate for a slave labour force

[ocean geyser]

The latter is assumed considering that the Yuvan was probably not blue, very tall, and had a long arm

[fast dew]

Mm, I do think it would totally depend on the orokin, if they did it before or after.

[ocean geyser]

Man
I would hate being chosen as Karishh’s Yuvan

[misty helm]

Yeah, but from changing skin pigment and the long-ass arm to entirely modifiying a person's facial structure... 💀

[peak ether]

id assume a bit of both, they add the whole blue long arm stuff but also may have kept certain features of the yuvan. I'd assume they'd get bored having the same face constantly.

[ocean geyser]

Would also make sense

[fast dew]

And. Kuva facilitates continuity, and while kuva predates Albrecht's time in the void, it is used as a way to. Idk do something with it

[misty helm]

I take it Kuva tastes like cherry jelly

[ocean geyser]

Note that the Grineer managed to make Kuva by poking one of Wally’s fingers with a big needle
And also make Trokars… somehow

[peak ether]

take albrecht for example, the one we see in the painting and his current self are very different.

[ocean geyser]

Reasonable since im pretty sure the void moment obliterated all his skin

[fast dew]

Ehhh, I dont think that was continuity

[ocean geyser]

Isn’t there literally a journal entry where he talks about Loid regrowing his skin

[fast dew]

He might’ve just lost a lot of weight. Because he was pretty chubby

Dad bod style

[misty helm]

Yeah. also if we take the kuva siphon missions gameplay-elements literally, it may imply Wally's essence is literally floating in the space then? 👀

randomly

[ocean geyser]

Wally also doesn’t like it if we destroy or give the Kuva to Teshin

Which is something

I wonder what Teshin did with the Kuva anyway
Does he just have it in his living room or something

[fast dew]

Albrecht also lacks the long arm

[misty helm]

Well, given he looks like he was probably at least an officer-rank Dax back in the Orokin-era... he may know a thing or two about it 🤔

[ocean geyser]

I think it would be funny if it’s just sitting on a tombstone in the relay

That or Teshin has an apartment there
Relays are basically just space station cities with a small portion reserved for us, right?

[misty helm]

The hand looks naily tho, like the ones from the long-arm of the other Orokin

[fast dew]

He has gold nails, but they seem more like. Press ons?

[twin wigeon]

kuva is actually oily in nature

[coral mirage]

so finally mended things for the Entratis. So they nicknamed us Ayatan? thats cute

[misty helm]

Guess he digged the fashion trends, but not that much (?

Kinda like Roathe, tbh... 🤔 He doesn't seem to have the long arm. Althought it may just be a compatibility thing they did so his model could be used with the warframes rigging

[coral mirage]

well, in terms of character development they thought "Choose the warframe, put a skin on it, then lets make the characters"

I cant think of a frame where we could slap a Ballas skin on it (maybe i havent come across one)

[misty helm]

Ballas wf :

[coral mirage]

that would take some heavy editing but could happen

Erra has an easier chance, pretty sure Lotus too, but maybe DE prefers to leave them off limits to keep their mystique.

[misty helm]

Jokes aside, it would* be a nightmare (if not impossible without creating custom anims only for it) to make its rig compatible with the various weapon animations

without it looking weird af*

[coral mirage]

well getting back on topic of the lore

[twin wigeon]

no we're not

[coral mirage]

well, not getting back on topic of the lore

[twin wigeon]

hmm yk how the family calls us ayatan?

[coral mirage]

yup, found that out today

[twin wigeon]

do they know that ayatans were devices used to record memories

like how we recorded their apologies and acceptance of their own past and family drama

[coral mirage]

maybe thats why they chose it, the frames are basically storing the Drifter / Ops, so perhaps they thought of that

Vikor seemed like the pragmatic type, so his choice was simple yet to the point

[twin wigeon]

i mean not literally? i feel like we still operate things on our ship'd "pod" or wttvr

its just that we've gained the ability to tranverse the transference stream and essentially teleport to our frames? do we know how this teleporting works exactly?

[coral mirage]

i am pretty sure either the drifter or ops mentioend how they act as a conscious, if we look at the generalized way, thats just a memory that is constnatly active.

[ashen pulsar]

they don’t remember, ig

[coral mirage]

were not technically physical, not in the traditional sense

[twin wigeon]

ooooooo solid gaseous void demons!!

yeah i don'tt think the states of matter really apply here

[coral mirage]

kinda, were literally an event horizon, mixed with a worm hole, also able to generate matter out of freaking no where and can traverse dimensions and time

[twin wigeon]

not conventionally at least

[coral mirage]

i mean, wally has us beat since they say its a god and were not, but i mean

not at all

[twin wigeon]

ummmmmmmm

[coral mirage]

we are not "wizard" level, we are waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay above that

[twin wigeon]

we can't generate matter out of nowhere and we can only ttranverse dimensions and time with help of gadgets and preexisting holes?

aka the infestation to get to 1999 and the hole in the dormizone for duviri

[coral mirage]

um, pretty sure us transferring around the universe (like when we did with the queens) is because we are permanently connected to the void

which is connected to everything, its like a hub

mars, void, earth

ring, void, bathroom

also, no gadgets there, we did that all by ourselves (and Teshin's scolding)

[twin wigeon]

im thinking that since we have a transference link to our warframes, we're traveling across that link via the void kinda how our void slings uses an anchor, we're anchoring to our warframe and traveling across

and then reversing that concept to travel back

[coral mirage]

could be, the queens were obviously usiing some kind of void breaker deal that stopped our powers briefly

but then again, we get stabbed, sent to the void, we dont die and drifter comes out and says "hey lil me, your turn"

[fast dew]

Mm, Roach can't have one for animation reasons, but that portrait predates Albrecht's current form. It was seen in the new war as well

[coral mirage]

also, the argon crystals breaking down on our universe is another thing, not everything out of the void actually lasts, so nuts to creating matter. But definitely moving it

[twin wigeon]

argon crystals are weird in general

they're a gas made into a solid

thats like insane amounts of cooling

[fast dew]

Void manifestations generally cannot exist outside the void, its not new information

[coral mirage]

*fights the urge yell brother

[fast dew]

I mean. What's colder than literal nothing?

It also could just be pressure

[twin wigeon]

oooo right i forgor that pressure can do that

[twin wigeon]

huh

[fast dew]

I am. 99% sure I only remember that it can from

Something idk

Maybe nilered or Styropyro

[coral mirage]

BROTHER!

[twin wigeon]

huh

[coral mirage]

nvm, the gas to solid thing, its an old meme for the MGS fans

[twin wigeon]

whats mgs?

[coral mirage]

Metal Gear Solid

[twin wigeon]

whats that

[coral mirage]

anything i say is a huge diservice but i will give it my best shot

[twin wigeon]

im joking

[coral mirage]

fell for it lol

[twin wigeon]

i like reminding people that they've experienced more time than other people

[coral mirage]

thanks for that

[normal mountain]

Phase change from gas to solid is called Deposition
a perk of being a chemistry major

[coral mirage]

now tell us the vaccine for foxdie. And Void infection to keep it on topic

[fast dew]

Void contamination is likely treated similarly to radiation poisoning

[wooden cave]

god roathe seems like such a uhh
how do I say this without swearing
such a jerk
does this mf get any better or is he the same snobby orokin throughout the story of the triad

[fast dew]

Ha no

Hes a classist genocidal asshole

[wooden cave]

yeuchk

immediate dislike
explodes him with my mind

[fast dew]

He claims to be better but still will call a grineer a slur

Like I don't like vor either but. You dont call the man a vat rat.

And yeah I don't like daughter for it either

[normal mountain]

Vaccines?
I didn't do the medical track, sorry

[wooden cave]

the only good quality about daughter is she listens to on-lyne
she knows ball when it comes to music

[fast dew]

That could've been introduced to her by Albrecht, considering he has 30+ ONLYNE CDS

[wooden cave]

and hrm
deal or no deal with roathe
do I trust this hoe or not

[fast dew]

Deal, do the deal

Its to get Loid up with the family

[normal mountain]

Allegedly, he keeps his word

[wooden cave]

I get that part
but like
I don't trust him in the least

roathe that is
loid's just a lovesick boykisser

[normal mountain]

I can't speak from personal experience, since I don't do Descendia anyways

[fast dew]

No guarantee he wont slaughter the entrati family to get back at Albrecht

[fast dew]

Loid does go up there. Despite. The risk

[misty helm]

He will probably get swayed by Wally

[fast dew]

Roach? Yeah probably

He seems dumb enough it fall for it

[normal mountain]

I expect that he won't, considering what I've heard in this channel about his memories

[fast dew]

Afaik he does say he will do that, mm. Can't remember the convo fully but it is related to the villain ending iirc

[wooden cave]

okay
doing the deal
if roathe shoots me in the back and kills someone I am using every weapon in my arsenal to kill him

[fast dew]

Roach still hates Albrecht even after he learns

[fast dew]

Dw Loid would personally kill him for it

[normal mountain]

Odd, but okay

[fast dew]

Loid might not feel as parental towards us as he does towards the operator, but he has a nasty swing with the Ekhein

And
Loid can double jump

[wooden cave]

also it pains me that chemistry with arthur refreshed and there wasn't a single mention of my drifter confessing
wtf game this could've been peak

[fast dew]

Mm, thats a common bug, iirc its fine from. Something else

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

I love pointing out how he can do this

[coral mirage]

dont ruin my fun

[coral mirage]

Jerkasaurus Rex

[noble oyster]

so.. real quick, question. whats the lore significance of the Round Table? i havent gotten to them quite yet so im not sure about what their purpose is. I know that the whole thing with the Devils Triad is that they're all people (or at least Marie and Lyon) who praised Albrecht as a god/mentor, but whats the deal with the Round Table?

[fast dew]

Just extra folk, I think its just to expand on how Albrecht interacted with folk

Well. Actually they dont mention much about him

[noble oyster]

thats.. a wee dissapointing, but i guess it makes sense

[fast dew]

Worldbuilding

[noble oyster]

ive got my Wonderful Amazing Incredible Perfect Lyon Allard anyways, so we ball

[fast dew]

Fair, they do have. More positive interactions with Albrecht over the hex

[noble oyster]

huh, do they?

[fast dew]

Kaya for one used to follow him around and yap at him

[noble oyster]

maybe that'll be my motivation for finally sitting down and getting their standing up

[fast dew]

She stalked and found his ass and thats funny

[fast dew]

It also allows you to get new weapons + a new warframe

Temple...

[noble oyster]

it just sucks that like, NOBODY is willign to do the missions nowadays

[fast dew]

Oh, no i dont think its that

[noble oyster]

ill do like 10 missions and maybe 3 of them will have anyone

[fast dew]

I am. 99% sure the lack of people rn are from the whole invite fiasco

[cunning ore]

It only Marie who believe in Albrecht, Lyon just too worry for his sister so he took the serum tho. And a good thing about The Devil Triad that they update some old lore within Roathe can create a Helminth by their bloods.

[noble oyster]

i wanna do more hex stuff, but i wanna find people to do em with first

[cunning ore]

Which part are you into can i ask?

[noble oyster]

like, with their standing? think im rank 2 or 3

[midnight ice]

id help but i'm at work smfh

a lot of hex standing is scouring the map for standing items

the collectible goodies

[fast dew]

They. Arent actually related, but theyre soul-siblings apparently

[cunning ore]

I didn't say they're sibling as i know they are soul-siblings. What else word i can address them? Soul-sister?

[fast dew]

Yeah i think so?

[cunning ore]

So i need to really clarify that out?

[fast dew]

Eh? Just saying siblings does sound like you think they're related so I personally wouldn't do it

But if you wanna do it I won't stop you

[cunning ore]

Okay, gonna note that if next time i reply sth by saying soul-sister instead of only sister

I mean that i didn't mention them as a sibling

[jolly root]

Sorry what

[cunning ore]

Bounties ✨ They boosted pretty must chemistry outside the Daily Gifting. Since if you talking about the chemistry rank or the Hex Standing alone?

[fast dew]

Yeah Loid can do that

[jolly root]

Ya surr hes not a protoframe

[glass sluice]

Well, until Loid becomes Limbo that is.

(or Titania)

[rapid copper]

Can someone answer this one?

Ignore the second one, I got my answer

[ashen pulsar]

probably wally?

were they sitting on the reliquary drive

[twin wigeon]

do you not see the finger in the reliquary drive

[midnight ice]

wally. its a copy of his finger

[twin wigeon]

i wonder what ENTITY is missing a finger

[dark compass]

It was me

Sorry, I lost my finger in a freak railjack accident

[cunning ore]

Oh, it the Reliquary(?) Sorry English not good. So there a copy of Wally's finger in that thing. That's why you saw The Indifference (Wally), as all Railjack got that small Requaliry like power-core tho.

[dark compass]

I don't think anyone who asks about this know what Wally is

[cunning ore]

Then they need to go further

[dark compass]

Oh well

[cunning ore]

WF just "a bit" bad in telling story in orders yk?

[dark compass]

Not really all that much?

I didn't have any issues piecing thinga together

More complex details do need some explanation, but the finger part is meant to confuse you

[cunning ore]

Me as a newbie at first do have that issue instead, too much informations and then it bloat.

[dark compass]

Gotta go in blind instead of going

[cunning ore]

Then yea he just need to go further to hear about Wally

[dark compass]

"uhh what is that what is that"

And pay attention instead of going off course

[cunning ore]

Like how i see Natah and Ballas for the first time and asked my ex (who invite me into this game) "You mean the weird guy kissing a machine thing?" And he got confused by that

[dark compass]

You get context later

People need to stop trying to get their questions answered immediately

Wtf happened to such concepts as foreshadowing and element of surprise

[cunning ore]

Well to some you can give them answer as it could kick-in their curiousity. Like what is that? What do they mean? What is which? Etc things.

[dark compass]

You just explained a concept thats meant to be revealed and elaborated on later, ruining any sort of mystery

It's basically a spoiler

[cunning ore]

No i did? 🤔 Currently they not even know Wally so they beliked wtf after all

The true spoiling is when i even tell him what further ahead like definition of Wally, and other things. I guess so?

[dark compass]

"True spoiling"

[cunning ore]

Yep 🤔

[dark compass]

It's about the narrative cohesion, you aren't maintaining it by throwing a dictionary at someone

[fast dew]

Isnt

Isnt chains before the railjack quest

[dark compass]

It only works with Tolkien because he was a nerd of such a level that it was borderline incomprehensible otherwise

[cunning ore]

I need dictionary to read English

[dark compass]

I'm fairly sure railjack has been pushed rather far out of order and due to that some interactions aren't working anymore

[fast dew]

Ah.

[cunning ore]

Yea it the fact of my language barrier

😭

[fast dew]

Dw its my first language and I still suck at it

[dark compass]

It's my third language and I pretend I don't suck at it

[fast dew]

I couldn't tell it wasnt your first language

[cunning ore]

Do you have trouble with English native speaker? Like my teacher said they are on another level

[cunning ore]

But you did great in pretend, i cannot

😭 i cant pretend to be smoother but nope it just wonky

[fast dew]

I struggle a lot with it, i can read it, i can understand it, but i struggle with wording. My words

[lean garden]

still, isnt rising tide still after CoH?

[dark compass]

Aww :3c

[humble sierra]

You can do Rising Tide beforehand I think

[lean garden]

nasty

[dark compass]

I'm just certain that it isn't the time to explain

And yes Rising tide can be done earlier

[cunning ore]

Then it proved more that i would have more struggles.

[fast dew]

True, better to have the building confusion

[lean garden]

oh lol rising tide can be done before CoH

[humble sierra]

Yeah so weird

[dark compass]

It sets up Kiddo thing

You're meant to piece it together, it's meant to be unexpected and unexplained

[lean garden]

does the wally version of the cutscene even play?

[humble sierra]

No

I missed it

[fast dew]

Nah, my struggle comes from living in Australia and we do not speak normally sometimes, classical english is a lot easier to learn than me unlearning habits

[lean garden]

like you blinked and it wasnt there or like wally simply wasnt on the finger

[fast dew]

The more rural you get here, the weirder the wording is

[humble sierra]

He simply wasn't, Chains of Harrow is needed for that

[lean garden]

baller, narrative parity

[cunning ore]

I live in a little city a place that more Chinese tourists than EU tourists so yea, it weirder and weirder

[fast dew]

Australia has a high immigration amount and i lowkey love it. Lotta interesting folk from different places

[cunning ore]

I feel sad for Rell, all his life holding the chains to release at the last, so what before that of sufferings?

[fast dew]

• really good food

[cunning ore]

It sound inviting

[fast dew]

He. Didnt really get a good roll on life, high needs autistic boy ostracised by his peers, but he had a very good mother!

[humble sierra]

Emphasis on had

[cunning ore]

Was it Margulis or some else? Like now i wonder what exactly the mother of Tennos?

[fast dew]

Yeah Australia is pretty cool just. Sometimes very racist 😭

[humble sierra]

All Tenno had actual parents before Margulis

[cunning ore]

The second part no big deal since you know

[fast dew]

I don't think she had a name, but she ended up. Going insane like the other parents on the zariman

[humble sierra]

Margulis just adopted them after all the Zariman turned the parents insane

[cunning ore]

I mean that at the time of recovering from trauma and after receiving the power from Wally

[fast dew]

Yeah. I get it. You become desensitised to it i feel?

[fast dew]

Rell specifically was abandoned by Margulis, we think it might be because he could've been the one who blinded her

[cunning ore]

I normalized everything actually, in short of social experiment, like all harasses, compliments and other things.

[cunning ore]

This new for me, thank

[humble sierra]

Sad but true

[cunning ore]

So there another mom

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, pallidino or however you spell her name, the red veil took rell in

Worshipped him

[fast dew]

A sad, but an unfortunately necessary part of existence. Shit kinda sucks but. Ah well

[cunning ore]

Suck part is Margulis abandoned him and he had to make himself his own warframe for greater of stopping Wally.

Welp, morality could be suck a face

[fast dew]

I am. Unsure how harrow came to rell

But Rell's possession of that warframe was so strong that it physically affected other harrow warframes

And i think Rell being abandoned was to show that as nice and loving Margulis was, she wasn't a saint

[dull tundra]

Out of the context question. Isn't Ballas the real culprit and villain?

[cunning ore]

Yea Rell's possession even reaching to Lyon

[fast dew]

But. Tbf, as a high needs autistic person myself, I know I can be hard to care for, let alone with god knows how many other traumatised kids

[dull tundra]

I guess he later realises his mistake and tries to square things but it's too late then.

[fast dew]

He. Is for a lot?

[cunning ore]

In short, yes, currently.

[cunning ore]

In short, no.please don't expect.

[fast dew]

But if you really wanna get pedantic about it, you could blame Albrecht for. A lot

[cunning ore]

You need true villain after all to blame. And if you give him a good reason, you lost it all content.

[dull tundra]

Well, that's just how things spice up.

[fast dew]

I wouldn't suggest it. It would be like blaming the guy who made the first car for every car crash known to man

[cunning ore]

I doubt at Margulis more actually, not bad just because how she could survive in every Void-touch event thingy.

Like with the love of Margulis to abandon Rell? I doubt

[dull tundra]

What happens to the Stalker and the other guy.

[cunning ore]

But yea it just doubts in woman's sense so not counting

[fast dew]

She's not perfect, I think thats what it is

[cunning ore]

Stalker got kid, he retired.

[dull tundra]

Oh

[cunning ore]

Yea maybe

[dull tundra]

He seemed like a good fit for villanious activities.

[cunning ore]

He was created to kill Tennos, so he just kept on living with the purpose of killing the last Tenno. But currently he cannot so, because we was chosen.

[twin wigeon]

he wasn't created to kill tenno

[dull tundra]

Who was the other guy? Man in the wall?

[cunning ore]

Wait i thought so?

[twin wigeon]

nope, he was created as punishment for his crime

[cunning ore]

Thought Hildryn was created like a back-up plan for Ballas, and Stalker was like creating to kill Tennos by Ballas's command?

[dark compass]

Stalker just remained an orokin bootlicker

[twin wigeon]

mhm

[cunning ore]

I think it a long old piece of information i have read somewhere, lemme go recheck it

[twin wigeon]

Jade and Stalker were both warframed, with jade still being pregnant with Orion/Sirius, ballas even mocks her for forever being unable to birth her child

You, don't hate Ballas, Enough.

[cunning ore]

I know that, it even told in Jade's feathers.

[twin wigeon]

they disobeyed the legems, treasuring their love instead of orokin obedience

[cunning ore]

I know that part, i mean that, Stalker hunting Tenno by Ballas's command and Jade was turned in a guillotine (?) for Orokin. I mean that till now, his biggest duty is to kill Tennos?

[twin wigeon]

nope, stalker only hunts tthe tenno out of his own hatred

combined with hunhows powers and support

[restive river]

Void forbid someone wants a kid ig, damn

[twin wigeon]

and mentorship?

[cunning ore]

I do know the Jade's Shadow quest thing with how Jade and Sorren be departed and punished

[twin wigeon]

no kids, only orphans

[cunning ore]

Hatred of what? I thought it was Ballas's command them

[midnight ice]

huh

[restive river]

He hated the Tenno for killing the Orokin

[twin wigeon]

weirdly

[cunning ore]

I see, okay gotta noted that

[restive river]

Stalker didn’t remember his old life until Jade Shadows, he loved the Orokin and was obedient

[twin wigeon]

they were his (stalkers) masters still to that point

[cunning ore]

Wait i thought it was Sorren because of Ballas's promise to let Jade alive?

[twin wigeon]

Hunhow doesn'tt ofc inform him of the orokin's crimes against everything really because he too want the tenno dead

[restive river]

Stalker is Sorren

[twin wigeon]

jade is jade

[cunning ore]

Yea i mean that

Yea i know

[restive river]

It’s an enemy of my enemy is my friend situation
They both want the Tenno dead for different reasons

[twin wigeon]

-# love how stalker gets a unique name while jade retains her old name

[restive river]

She always stayed herself
He changed, even if he remembers things

I wonder what her frame name was tbh

[twin wigeon]

and then ofc hunhow realizes with the drifter's help that he's been wallowing in ancient grudges

probs still jade

knowing ballas, he'dve likely tampered somehow with the warframing to let her retain her mind in some way, letting her really have a grasp of her eternal suffering

moral of the story: you still don't hate ballas enough ❤️

[cunning ore]

Or her mind was too strong, too caring for her child that she went numb with other pains

That's motherhood as i know

[twin wigeon]

could be, her motherly instinct did allow her to lull her operator asleep letting her have full control

[cunning ore]

And yes like usual: Moral story: Ballas's fault for every tragedies

[cunning ore]

Ngl, she the first one who making me want to get into the warframe

[twin wigeon]

my beloved AC-130 not allowing another child be forced to war

[cunning ore]

My first thing to do is i asked my ex how to get Jade then waited 75% discount to buy her

[twin wigeon]

leading up to Jade, there was lots of teasers and all of them never showed her womb, and i loved the secrecy

[midnight ice]

The great... and terrible.
I like the pause. erra screaming that he's wallowing in a shitpit doesnt work but our actions do

[cunning ore]

And somehow a long process from hating Ballas to loving Ballas

[twin wigeon]

i will admit

DE has probably created a fantasic semi-background antagonist, who's influence is EVERYWHERE

literally whole reason why everything is so screwy is bc ballas is an hole

but for such an elusive villain, his designs are sooooo coooooollllll

like i've always loved his sculpted hair and that uhhhhhh shoulder cloak thing

[cunning ore]

Ngl i love when people hating him cause he did success in his villain career

Not like yk, giving villain past then sympathize them

Anime villain

[twin wigeon]

Ballas is a name that will never be forgotten, his crimes are too great and vary in severity

like hypocrisy, locking up kullervo like that

[cunning ore]

Yea

You know fun part? His hair design for showering easier if you got long hair

[twin wigeon]

but besides all that devilry and you got the person that created everyone's favorite warframes, if you look past the grotesque and horrifying transformation and torture

[fast dew]

The armour piece specifically is called a shoulder pauldron

[twin wigeon]

i neeeed itttttt for my framessss

i've only been able to emulate it with that one infested shoulder armor with the arrow poking out of the shoulder blade

[fast dew]

Ik some folk struggle with drawing orokin hair, i kinda do sometimes too, im better at smthn like Blue Albrecht's, which seems to be his natural hair over the other orokin

[fast dew]

We have. Nihil's? Idk where you actually get them tho

[twin wigeon]

hold the kinepage. Nihil has armor designed for him???

[fast dew]

Ive owned my ones since like. Yoinks

[fast dew]

Yeah, he has the. Fracia shoulder armour or whatever its called

[twin wigeon]

oh...

ewie

[fast dew]

Yk the. Trying to remember if its pentagons or hexagons

Yeah it works sometimes

[twin wigeon]

frakta

:<

[fast dew]

Yeah! Ugly little things

No clue where you get em tho

Not from Nihil's fight, I know that much

Also why is the key to Nihil's fight never in the nw shop 😭

[twin wigeon]

oh the Protosomid

[twin wigeon]

it in this week

[fast dew]

WHAT

[twin wigeon]

bozo

[fast dew]

RUSHING TO GET IT

[twin wigeon]

go make some glass or wtvr

[cunning ore]

See you guys also love Orokin

Especially Nihill, like my brother did

[twin wigeon]

i like their DESIGN

not them

they look cool and pretty and all romanized

they're like the perfect villains

[fast dew]

Yeah id genuinely skin nihil alive if I saw him irl

But he is pretty

Like
... look. Look at him.

[vestal vine]

I got a question

The operator is really a children?

The game says it is, but why they seems like a young adult?

[fast dew]

Yeah

Teenager, could be 12-17 i feel

I like to think my operator is 13 :D

[strange plinth]

yea operator's a child
just sat in cryo/stasis for a very long time

[fast dew]

This. Might be projection about my issues. But screw it we ball

[vestal vine]

I ask, cus in fashion-frame channel I saw one who literally uses a grown beard

Is not that weird

[fast dew]

... can we use a beard on

[strange plinth]

not on operator, no

[fast dew]

OH.

[strange plinth]

i take it this is a spoiler thing

[fast dew]

Yeah don't worry about it

[vestal vine]

But dang, surely a children doesn't has a beard

[fast dew]

You'll learn later :)

[vestal vine]

Wait, wasn't that an operator?

[fast dew]

Have you done the new war?

[vestal vine]

Im just begining the internal war 😭

[fast dew]

The war within?? 😭 the internal war is awesome actually thats so funny

[vestal vine]

🐴

[fast dew]

But, regardless, you'll learn soon

[vestal vine]

Its something I can use?