lore-discussion

[drifting lintel]

Yeah wouldn't Albrecht showing up be before the loop now that I think about it?

[fast dew]

He does.

[drifting lintel]

I wonder when exactly the loop starts. And how the hand/teshin is able to fall into it from a timeline perspective

[fast dew]

I think it looks fine wdym
-# unless im really not remembering it correctly

[fast dew]

God I was remembering wrong what the hell 😭

He looked. Prettier last i remembered. No clue why

[ocean geyser]

Not an easy question to answer
That said, considering time in the void is a little crazy it makes questions like this funky

[woven coyote]

So here we have confirmation of thrax's independence from drifter

[woven coyote]

Here acrithis mentions the islands either being lost to the void or being cast out by thrax

[ocean geyser]

i cant really say that duviri has a timeline
sort of

its literally like reading a book and starting from the first page again after you finish

[golden raptor]

are kalymos and minn two different cats?

[fast dew]

Minn wasn't even a kavat

She was. What tagfer is

[woven coyote]

Cervulite

[fast dew]

Thank you

[normal mountain]

Don't forget to include Isleweaver

[twin wigeon]

That’s like asking if Kalymos and Rook are two different cats

[woven coyote]

No that's asking if bird 3 and fishonacci are different dogs

[twin wigeon]

Blub

[dark compass]

Fibonacci is a sea dog

[twin wigeon]

… what?

[dark compass]

What

[pale cedar]

What

[strange turtle]

when

[ashen pulsar]

where

[cosmic badge]

Why

[fresh rover]

Wait so why is Hunhow no longer a part of the story?

[pale cedar]

He was literally in Jade Shadows

Nothing stated he’s leaving the story

[fresh rover]

That feels like years ago and I thought I saw him die, mb. Warframe makes me feel crazy.

[pale cedar]

Only around a year ago

[fresh rover]

I think it's because I remember being in the railjack and like destroying something and I guess I forgot and thought Hunhow died.

I honestly can barely remember what he is. Was he a giant sentient?

[pale cedar]

He actually faked his defeat

That’s why he’s in the ocean of Uranus now

He expected his children to do the rest but Ballas had other plans

[fresh rover]

Ahhh tyty

[coral mirage]

wheres who and how?
These kids man...

[coral mirage]

you mean when we cracked him because he possessed War (the sword)?
I thought so too, i thought he was a Sci Fi version of SoulCalibre (Or the evil sentient sword from Super Agent Cobra in the 80s)

hes basically code, his body is lying somewhere else (cheater)

[smoky gulch]

Okay, Yonta becomes such a kind character after finishing group's story

I love how DE managed to capture that awkward symbolism nerds love to weave when talking about emotions:
"Objects that have affected one another continue to affect one another even when they're separated. I've missed you."

[north jolt]

We know WF has cubed spaghetti, but does it have cubed beans?

[drifting lintel]

Probably

We know that all the food on the zaramin was cubed so....

[fading mist]

I do wonder, how is Vesper relay even intact

the fomorian fleet clearly blew them all up...

[drifting lintel]

It's probably a scrap heap similar to a dearalect mission

[fading mist]

imagine if we ever partner up with vay hek to mass produce the fomorian fleets, not sure why we would need that much firepower though

[jolly root]

A orokin empire on tau

[fast dew]

She's so nice. Yonta the beloved

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-yonta-archimedean-tenno-orokin-gif-383880801649958622

[restive river]

Yonta

[fast dew]

Yonta!!

[old wharf]

Why is the Hex an bunch of freak demons after dating them?

[manic aurora]

They've seen some shit, might at least get a little freaky

[restive river]

Lonely

[twin wigeon]

Uh mmm i mean sentients are really just very advanced robots so it wouldn’t be nonsense to think they don’t have control over data streams and if they didn’t they could just adapt to that inefficiency to then be able to control data

[twin wigeon]

They’re not freaky at all

At least not compared to Varzia

[old wharf]

...

[twin wigeon]

Varzia is like the roathemance community as a whole

[coral mirage]

They’re inherently have an organic interface despite being machines.
It’s ehy they went insane when they destroyed the flora on Lua.

The Orokin very likely made them like that on purpose so they could use the flaw if need be (which they did)

[lean garden]

what does an [inherently] organic interface even mean lol

[twin wigeon]

I mean the orokin never knew the flora would affect the sentients afterall it’s a alien species

Also they can’t be organic maybe organically based but not made of flesh at least not like us

They’re like synthetic bony

Given that I think hunhow says smth about them being made from the bone of his body or why eidolon shards are like splintered bones and eidolons are weak in joints

Again im speculating and im loosely remembering

[manic aurora]

Making a synthetic boney race that may or may not be capable of thought at first definitely feels up the Orokin's alley

[drifting lintel]

Ya know what would be wild?

If it's revealed that Albrecht is 50 steps ahead because he knows the unum or is a quill.

[lean garden]

even better He's 50 steps ahead because he's making it up all on the go so well even wally has to lag behind

[drifting lintel]

It would just be nice to include the time stopping god tower in the recent stories that are involving time shenanigans.

[coral mirage]

should have used organic based processing.
they process organic matter, the flowers were all organic.

If we are 70% water and 30% everything else. Sentients are 85% metallurgic and 5%, and that last part is organic.

[coral mirage]

it has pollen, its alive

[lean garden]

I mean, we don't exactly know the composition of the flowers do we

[coral mirage]

we're composed of molecules: Iron, Oxygen, Hydrogen.
We have nitrogen based life forms.
The flowers were just something made out of Periodic table

[lean garden]

theyre awfully metallic

like theres a reason why the term is called organic in the first place

[coral mirage]

that doesnt exclude life, cant say they are ferrous, but they grow naturelly
Their chemical composition is definitely exotic but still alvie

[stiff fable]

unless of course they're void-derived somehow, then all bets are off

[coral mirage]

Tao looked like one giant desert, its not surprising that it life had to use metal to move forward

[lean garden]

I think you might be mixing things up here, being Alive doesnt automatically mean something is organic

[drifting lintel]

Those flowers are metal

[coral mirage]

organic just means "made of carbon" its not a disctinction of life
Fully mono cellular organisms exist, and we've discovered nitrogen based bacteria at sea already
Its just most of life on this planet is carbon based

[lean garden]

so you realise why its very awkward to say that the sentients have "organic based processing"

[drifting lintel]

I don't even know if those things are made from iron tho either.

[lean garden]

based on the fact that theyre consuming the xenoflora

[jolly root]

And also tau is out of our system so it wouldnt be on the perodic table

[drifting lintel]

That's not how the periodic table works!

[coral mirage]

true its not carbon, but they are processing

[lean garden]

^

[coral mirage]

nobody knows, its just made up elements

[jolly root]

My bad but what im meaning is that theres alchemy as well so im not exactly sure that whatever is on tau is something that can be quantified without more detail

[drifting lintel]

Everything is made of protons, electrons, and neutrons.

Even stuff from the void. It's just that thought makes void material into some combination of those three things.

An element is an atom that has a certain number of protons. ... That's it.

[coral mirage]

weve theorized super heavy elements for years, its not out of theory, its out of known scenarios.
Weve made elements before, like Americanium

the thing of it is for us to make something in 175+ atoms it would take basically a black hole to pull it off

[drifting lintel]

That's still on the table. If it has protons it's on the table and we can extrapolate its properties using the table.

[coral mirage]

possible yes, likely happening maybe, proof of it no. Were stuck at theory

[drifting lintel]

I was meaning it's on the periodic table

And things with too much mass tend to just fall apart due to I think the weak force overcoming the strong force.

[coral mirage]

and again, thats what we know, and ill concede this is known fact today as it stands on science.
But you have to admit we got there after multiple years and there is a faint, heavy theoritcal possibility, more elements could exist

[drifting lintel]

If there exists a material that isn't made of atoms then no it wouldn't be on the periodic table.

If it has atoms it's on the table

[coral mirage]

im not saying that

im saying super heavy

[drifting lintel]

Super heavy atoms are on the periodic table. It's designed to expand infinitely downwards as we discover them.

[coral mirage]

wait i thought the hard limit was beyond 137, hence super heavy due to atomic fundamental laws

as in, what i am getting at, was creating more beyond that in a natural phenomenon (like a black hole) being the only known theoretical source to create it

[drifting lintel]

That's the limit until they just fall apart due to weight.

We can still figure out the properties of super heavy atoms in the picoseconds that they do exist using the table.

[coral mirage]

gonna read up on this again, gonna make a note for tomorrow morning, it has me feeling inquisitive again

anyway, where were we again? Lol

[drifting lintel]

I was explaining to horus the exact thing I just explained to you lol

[manic aurora]

I believe it was "what the hell are the sentients made of"

[coral mirage]

ah, that. Well again ill leave it at fiction but to me there artificial, metallic beings able to consume naturally ocurring biological matter

[drifting lintel]

Looking at the material I honestly have no idea.

[coral mirage]

yeah, i guess i went with "organic" still thinking they were made on earth
I mean technically speaking we shouldnt set foot on Jupiter but there we were

[drifting lintel]

It's probably not technocyte.

And we know there's a black ooze they can solidify from.

[coral mirage]

xenoprotoplasm?

[manic aurora]

I dont remember, but arent most of the Jupiter tilesets just floating corpus cities?

[twin wigeon]

they are

[stiff fable]

the ones that aren't spaceships, yes

[lean garden]

wouldnt really be xeno but some kinda gogojuice sure

[coral mirage]

oh they were? gotta go check agian, i had the impression we actually touch the surface for some reason

[drifting lintel]

The stuff in the khal missions

[coral mirage]

i mean its tau, its another solar system
When are things no longer Xeno?

[twin wigeon]

when they're not of our system

aka all of the tau system

[coral mirage]

thats what im saying, its xeno

[twin wigeon]

seeing as the scope of "our" civilization is systemwide

anything outside is alien to us

as such, the flora being not of our carbon-based existence and thus not alive to our standards can be true

they could be composed of a different substance or metal

and still be alive

my likely guess is morphics although thats more of a malleable alloy

[drifting lintel]

The only xeno thing in Warframe is xeno flora

[lean garden]

I mean, that gogojuice's whole shtick was made in Origin

so its not xeno

[drifting lintel]

The sentients may have gained sentience on Tau but they are of the origin system.

[lean garden]

gotta be of alien origin to be xeno

[coral mirage]

well again, were going back to the same notion of what alive is.
A fully independent, naturally ocurring, whether it is mono or multicellular biological entity, its simply based on another type of element than carbon
What that is we dont know, regular or ficticious,

[drifting lintel]

No hold on. Xeno means not from earth.

Sentients are literally from earth.

[coral mirage]

the flower isnt but they are saying the protoplasm is

if that is the case, its a catalyst for the flora

[midnight ice]

you're thinking of extraterrestrial

[twin wigeon]

anyhoo the orokin never anticipated that the flora would be affecting the sentients

[midnight ice]

xeno means foreign re: xenophobia

[drifting lintel]

Because it is. The protoplasm in the khal missions are from earth.

[coral mirage]

then it is a catalyst

[lean garden]

the sentient 3D printer juice is entirely independent of the xenoflora

[drifting lintel]

In science fiction xeno means aliens.
Ie the xenomorph

[coral mirage]

that is just Outside of Earth, for that matter the solar system is technically outside

[lean garden]

all the times we've actually seen the 3D printer juice at work is when the xenoflora aint even near

[twin wigeon]

xenos is the umbrella term in which extraterrastrial lies in

[lean garden]

Xenoflora is not necessary for the creation of new sentients, be it full or fragment

[midnight ice]

xenomorph means of-strange-shape
you can i guess synonymize it with "aliens" but that does not mean it suddenly means what extraterrestrial is

[lean garden]

xenoflora is only necessary to make fragments independent individuals

[midnight ice]

pedantic issue whatever go on with your business

[cunning ore]

Is it possible that Helminth's flower after subsuming a frame bloom in the "same" way with Xenoflora? Like could it be from dead primes?

[midnight ice]

we've been churning out these bad boys fine pre-tau

[lean garden]

cant be, the xenoflora was already on tau

[twin wigeon]

uh no? because the "corpse flower" is made with helminth materials

[cunning ore]

It currently be seen by eyes on Perita one of Tau's moon

[coral mirage]

touching base on something real quick: I'm recalling statements of the Seven.
Was that in reference to the Executors or the Orokin?
Because not all Orokin were Executors (like Al) , any news more will show up?

[cunning ore]

And the treaty after the Old War

[twin wigeon]

if the "corpse flower" and xenoflora look the same its just coincidental

[midnight ice]

asset reuse

[lean garden]

So?

[midnight ice]

DE moment

[cunning ore]

Just doubt at it but if it cannot then meh

[twin wigeon]

*Game Dev moment

[midnight ice]

touché

[lean garden]

We know the Xenoflora isnt the result of dead primes because the sentients encountered the Xenoflora when they reached tau, thats before the Old War started

[drifting lintel]

The 7 were the seven executors. There where many more orokin

[lean garden]

obviously during the Old War and before the ending of the Old Peace we'd see the xenoflora on tau, because the xenoflora was there

[coral mirage]

like the entrati, the queens etc. wonder where the others went

[lean garden]

dead

[twin wigeon]

Theres the Emperors, Executors, and then Orokin in order of decreasing importance

[stiff fable]

We killed them

[cunning ore]

That odd to me cause i thought it was Xenoflora was a deal to form the peace between Orokin and Sentinents?

[stiff fable]

All the Orokin men and all the Orokin women and I forget how the rest of the meme goes

anyway we ended up missing a few spots

[drifting lintel]

The 7 executors are dead

[coral mirage]

well, i wanted to get more boss fights, cant blame for me trying.
So far weve fought only 2 Executors

[lean garden]

the xenoflora is the reason the Sentients decided to push for peace, its not the result of a peace treaty

[twin wigeon]

Well the sentients couldn'tve made a peace deal without exposure to the xenoflora in the first place

[stiff fable]

only one actually

[lean garden]

weeeeell. We can only confirm the deaths of 4 of them...

[twin wigeon]

1*

[stiff fable]

Nihil was an executioner

[twin wigeon]

Nihil is an executioner

[stiff fable]

the dude who chops people's heads off

[lean garden]

haha loser got demoted via rare retcon

[coral mirage]

oh Roathe was hust an orokin then, got it

[twin wigeon]

lmaoaoao

[stiff fable]

Oh yes actually, he was an Executor's boytoy

[drifting lintel]

Yeah he was basically their top general

[lean garden]

he was effectively the PA to an executor

[drifting lintel]

The three responses

[twin wigeon]

Concubine or boytoy to executor (i forgor her name)

[stiff fable]

Nitohk

[twin wigeon]

Nitokh

ty

[stiff fable]

i forget where the h goes

[coral mirage]

Neat

[stiff fable]

anyway yeah just from her statue it's obvious why he agreed even though she was Ballas-tier awful

[twin wigeon]

he just happens to be really good with strategy after being named Vice Carnis Grand Regent or wtvr

[lean garden]

Only the fates of 3 executors remain unknown, Tormis, Scarne and Nitohk.

Theres a good chance we might see Nitohk in the future, and I'm cheekily betting that Alad V will be revealed (or in this case retconned [positive, in the actual use case of the word]) to be either Tormis or Scarne

[stiff fable]

I would half hate that and half love that

[twin wigeon]

I though Nitohk died after Roathe was being whisked away with alby

hmph nevermind

[stiff fable]

Nitohk fell off the grid, specifically

[twin wigeon]

yeah

bc that part wasn't remembered by roathe for obvious reasons

[lean garden]

Easiest way to explain why hunhow calls alad an orokin, because the bunghole is one. And the reason he doesnt press us harder on the secret of the reservoir is because he already knows

[cunning ore]

How so it become reason? I feel curious of it

[drifting lintel]

I like to imagine a tactical squad of cyte-09s got the remaining executors

[lean garden]

we dont know what happened to her, thats the mystery

[stiff fable]

I can kill the theory for you right now

Alad V didn't know that the moon was real

[lean garden]

xenoflora made fragments into full individuals, the sentients as a collective species (with a whole lot more individuals) decided that they wanted peace instead

[stiff fable]

https://wiki.warframe.com/images/AladVSD15.ogg?2f0a6

[lean garden]

counterpoint: brother was acting

much like how he acted like he wanted to know about whats in the reservoir

[twin wigeon]

Well with newfound sentience, their brethren were treated as slaves so with with their intelligence they discussed a peace treaty id assume?

[lean garden]

like this is the same quest lol

[coral mirage]

watch, its going to be revealed a character brainwashed themselves and they were an Orokin /Executor all along but didnt know.

Liquid Ocelot style (well, in the sense they did it to themselves)

[twin wigeon]

imagine we're an executor placed into a tenno yuvan

(joke)

[cunning ore]

Why discuss a peace treaty when having an upper-hand and even give those who want to steal home weakpoint?

(Sorry, i'm bad at English)

[lean garden]

Alad V: "Sweet profit, The Moon exists? It was... it was in the Void all along? I knew the Lotus was powerful but this... she erased history! We thought it was destroyed all this time. My my, Lotus, you make a fine villain!"

Separately, this is an appropriate response still, if Alad was an orokin/executor. if you were right there in that time and you see the seat of your power disappear... well, thinking it destroyed would be a plausible conclusion

[cunning ore]

So they all became Margulis instantly despite Orokin come for their home?

[lean garden]

because sometimes you just want to stop fighting

[cunning ore]

Sorry, worse in wording

[lean garden]

who became what now

[cunning ore]

When they close to win?

[cunning ore]

Too sympathy toward Orokin?

[lean garden]

They werent close to winning, they were just very good at beating Orokin forces

Its only after the Old Peace when they made significant headway in attacking Origin

[twin wigeon]

I mean how do you attack an evolving force that wants peace

that is unconventionally insane and wasting orokin resources

[misty helm]

Guys, do the ending of the Old Peace means the starting of the Orokin purge by the Tenno? Or does it just mean OUR Tenno was put to sleep then, and thus they weren't present during the purge? It's a dumb question, I know. But I was just thinking about that today and I was hoping somebody could cleanse that doubt fro mme

[lean garden]

The Old Peace is like before Natah was born so

[coral mirage]

Didnt the tenno turn the tide? At that point you have to look at options if they deadlocked

[twin wigeon]

Old Peace doesn't immediately lead into Night of the Naga Drums

Our tenno and likely the others were forced into a sleep for a while

[misty helm]

Yeah, you're right... we do have the flashbacks from when the reservoir was attacked.

My bad

[lean garden]

yes and yes

[twin wigeon]

goober :3

[coral mirage]

no wait, we were asleep, so it had to be before that

[lean garden]

no, it explicitly has to be after the Old Peace

Natah does not exist prior to the Old Peace

[twin wigeon]

its def after old peace

[cunning ore]

The Tenno didn't win; they just maintained the status quo because Sentients adapt so fast

[coral mirage]

and we were put to sleep in old peace, but float awake afterwards

and then back to sleep

[misty helm]

Yeah, Margulis was still alive in tOP

[twin wigeon]

bc the reservoir is on Lua which is in the origin system, and the sentients are invading so itts after the treaty was anulled

[coral mirage]

well yeah, shes the one that stopped the rampage from Uriel

[cunning ore]

Like she could till the current timeline of warframe? i doubt that she really be executed then

[lean garden]

Natah only exists because Margulis was executed, Margulis was executed because of the ending of the Old Peace

[misty helm]

Was that, though?

[coral mirage]

thats fine, i get that

it was the sleep, awake, sleep of the operator that stopped me for a moment

[twin wigeon]

Natah swoops in as a placeholder Margulis for the kiddos

[cunning ore]

It sound odd. Like the Old Peace caused by conflicts between 2 executors and then there a council that can vote to execute her?

[twin wigeon]

Old peace looks at the Perita Rebellion

[lean garden]

the "council" is all 7 of the executors lol

[misty helm]

Yeah, I mean, unless Ballas really used her and basically set her up to be the fall guy (or girl... in this case)

[twin wigeon]

The Perita Rebellion is the conflict btwn Ballas "main faction" and Nitokhs "anarch faction"

[cunning ore]

Yea, then why Niktokh's vote still work after Perita if Margulis was executed after The Old Peace and by putting us to sleep?

[twin wigeon]

Most of the Council have been scattered leading Ballas to hold majority vote

Hence why warmongers looked to please him and such to push for war on sentients

and not any other executor

[lean garden]

because the blame is now placed on the tenno who activated the zariman 5 eggs and destroyed the treaty

[coral mirage]

id like to see more on the Emperor, maybe fight a boss related to him (even if its not him)
Just to explore that part

[twin wigeon]

No

[cunning ore]

No, i just confused about The Council status after the Perita

[lean garden]

Emperors but uh, dont count on it, they should be dead too

[twin wigeon]

The Emperors are likely dead or immortal bc they've never been recently mentioned and if they were their involvment is so legendary that might not even exist

Their influence trumps that of the executors who wreak so much havok already

[lean garden]

Ainnoway theyre immortal lol

[twin wigeon]

i mean

the whole kuva process was a means to become immortal

[lean garden]

but it wouldn't make them any more immortal than any orokin

[twin wigeon]

if the emperors truly exist, they exist with immense power, resources, and yuvans to supply their immortality

[lean garden]

and they would have been struck down at the night of naga drums

[twin wigeon]

would they though? they're involvement is so rare that we hardly hear of any mention of them

if they exist, they exist outside melee range

[lean garden]

yea cuz stalker says they were there at the night of naga drums

The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk.

[stiff fable]

The Emperors were real, there were two of them, and they didn't do anything ever

Roathe talks about them in a few lines

[lean garden]

how do you know there were only two?

[stiff fable]

some incidental dialogue or other

[twin wigeon]

mmh now see Emperors could refer not to The Emperors or the Executors that wield their power like kings

[cunning ore]

Still i feel like there many holes in this. The Old War happened in before The Old Peace, right? Then who was in the Prelude to War?

[stiff fable]

The Old Peace happened in the middle of the Old War

[twin wigeon]

theres 2 phases of the old war apparently

[cunning ore]

My bad, my word. I mean after

[stiff fable]

All the stuff we knew on the Sentient side of things happens in the second half

[lean garden]

the KIMs only ever refer to the Emperors as a plural, not as a duo tho

[twin wigeon]

Prelude to war was the second part of old war that was with us and the sentients

[cunning ore]

So The Old Peace is after or before the Prelude to War's Old War flashback cutscene on Lua?

[lean garden]

That was the understanding until DE flat out confirmed the Emperors exist

[stiff fable]

before

[twin wigeon]

before

Old peace still has us allied with sentients

[lean garden]

like its a capital E, not lowercase

[twin wigeon]

the Prelude has us against them

[midnight ice]

before
lotus + lua etc was phase 2 of the war

[ashen pulsar]

hence the lotus using the tenno to fight

[cunning ore]

Then there is Lotus or it was Margulis in the flashback cutscene?

[ashen pulsar]

yeah that

lotus

[twin wigeon]

Lotus

[ashen pulsar]

you've seen margulis

[twin wigeon]

bc Lotus has her helmet thingy

[misty helm]

Guess Kullervo happened after the Old Peace treaty was broken?

[stiff fable]

it's ALL Lotus except at the end of Old Peace and during her execution voicelines

[twin wigeon]

Kullervo happened during the old war

[stiff fable]

which part?

[twin wigeon]

his seven crimes i mean

[midnight ice]

(and a bit during the old peace when she was talking with someone, daklo?)

[stiff fable]

They stretched the whole duration

[stiff fable]

u right mb

[ashen pulsar]

kullervo... was created during phase 1 of the old war?

right?

[stiff fable]

as far as we know yes

[midnight ice]

its okay i'd want to forget any scene with the comically racist cephalon too

[twin wigeon]

Kullervo's crimes listed espionage with the Tenno

iirc

[cunning ore]

So PW's Old War Flashback scene on Lua then The Old Peace right?
Then how Lotus exist before The Old Peace?

[twin wigeon]

no

[ashen pulsar]

cuz he watched the orokin destroy other sentient frames

[stiff fable]

Right, Kullervo emerged during the Orokin Collapse to take a swing at Ballas and missed

[twin wigeon]

old peace then PW's Old War Cutscene

[stiff fable]

Lotus was built after The Old Peace

[cunning ore]

So The Old War is after the Old Peace?

[stiff fable]

no

[twin wigeon]

Old war has two phases

[ashen pulsar]

kullervo was pre-tenno as well, that was mentioned

[midnight ice]

Old war 1 -> old peace -> old war 2

[stiff fable]

The Old Peace happens in the middle of the Old War

[ashen pulsar]

forgot abt that

[twin wigeon]

second phase was aagainst the sentients

[lean garden]

before

[stiff fable]

both phases were against the Sentients lol

[misty helm]

War with the sentients > Peace > The treaty is broken > War again > Tenno rebellion at some point

[twin wigeon]

mb

yes

We obliterating Erra probs marked the end of the old war

"obliterating"

[stiff fable]

oh that's a very interesting thought actually

wait no, the Old War "ended" with Hunhow getting killed

[twin wigeon]

"killed"

fractured really

[stiff fable]

[twin wigeon]

same difference tho

[midnight ice]

parked in Uranus up until i think the grineer excavation? <- TSD starts

[twin wigeon]

still wallowing in ancient grudges while his children are being toyed with

[stiff fable]

His idea was for Lotus to give the Tenno the idea to merk the Orokin, then go to sleep

[misty helm]

By the by, was the Uriel we found 'crucified' in Tau, a 'sentient' warframe? or just another rampaging mindless-golem?

[stiff fable]

Then Lotus went send out the Sentient Batsignal and they'd all come back and purge the Origin System

[lean garden]

Probably tennoless, since they turned a whole lotta roathes men into uriels

which is another case of Orokin exceptions and stupidity

[stiff fable]

The difference is basically a matter of time tbh

Warframes start out sapient and then lose it over time

[cunning ore]

Yea, but there a cutscene in Prelude to War named The Old War pointing out Lotus using Tenno to fight against Erra. So i'm having a conflict:

So if Lotus was existed in The Old War PW scene like the timeline before the Old Peace, then why Margulis still alive in the Old Peace ending when Lotus was remade based on Margulis?

So it like

Lotus exist in Old War PW > Margulis sentenced to death by the Seven > Margulis's death > Lotus was built (?)

[twin wigeon]

Warframes still retain a level of consciousness before they devolve into biodrones

[lean garden]

yes, it is a totally sound idea to make more tennoless warframes because the last time we had to get rid of all of them. but its okay! we're using loyal soldiers

[lean garden]

whats your first language

theres obviously a language barrier here

[stiff fable]

bro we've told you like ten times

[misty helm]

Yeah, I mean, it's a full on transformation, so I was wondering if prehaps it was rampaging because the infestation fried the host brain?

[wooden cave]

alr
I'm not the only one who figured out that on-lyne is the most obvious foreshadowing ever, right?
and imo is probably also the techrot trying to make a song to convince the populace of hollvania to join their hivemind
"join us, embrace us, don't ever erase us" (obviously the techrot hivemind's attempt to get people to fall victim to their infestation)
"the city's on 11, it's two thousand degrees" (THE BOMB)
"something big is coming, but it's just the beginning (this is just the beginning)" (clearly foreshadowing of the warframes and the tenno and whatnot and referencing the protoframes/the hex)

[cunning ore]

Vietnamese, i'm not good at English, so it hard for me to find lore when there not much one research about it in our country

[stiff fable]

Prelude to War happens AFTER Old Peace, during the second half of the Old War

[twin wigeon]

nope its a very blatent foreshadowing

[stiff fable]

oh wait nvm I'm the asshole

my apologies, language barrier is hard

[wooden cave]

plus
on-lyne had only released 2 songs before the bomb went off
ironic

[wooden cave]

true

[twin wigeon]

nope

WE only recovered 2

they made more ofc

[cunning ore]

Thought the Old War ended with the treaty? And there a "half"?

[wooden cave]

true

[stiff fable]

the funny part is that it goes both ways, a lot of the Infested dialogue is actually them repeating On-lyne lyrics 11,000 years into the future

[twin wigeon]

seeing as they have several albums

[wooden cave]

should've made more to put on the warframe website page tho
like just straight make up song names, but don't let them be played

[lean garden]

Cảnh hoa sen trong Chiến tranh Cổ đại diễn ra sau thời kỳ Hòa bình Cổ đại.

[stiff fable]

The Orokin broke the treaty, so the Old War started again

[wooden cave]

wait wehat

[restive river]

Old War > Old Peace > Old War

[stiff fable]

YEAH

[wooden cave]

I've never actually listened to the infested

[lean garden]

hopefully google translate works lol

[twin wigeon]

Talk to your local helminth

they get lonely

[wooden cave]

which
why would I
on the surface they sound like hl2 enemies

[cunning ore]

Oke it understandable now, thank you guys

[wooden cave]

haven't unlocked the helminth yet I think

[stiff fable]

this is basically a retcon but a good one

[twin wigeon]

well if you got a nidus or a new warframe you can hear the dialogues from helminth

[stiff fable]

I like the idea that the infested hivemind is so messed up because it sees all the timelines at once

[restive river]

I love how the Emissary uses the same hand symbol as On-Lyne
Maybe it remembered On-Lyne having a cult-like status

[midnight ice]

Unum....

[twin wigeon]

guess what. hl2 is somewhat canon in the universe i thinks

[stiff fable]

So it doesn't know where any individual part of itself is at any one time

[cunning ore]

My brain cooked, like i got wrong informations from some claimed to be oldbies and high MR in my country so there A LOT to fix

[restive river]

We don’t know if she’s infested
Also she sees other timelines and how to guide people, that does seem to be different from what the Infestation is doing with time

[midnight ice]

i see

[restive river]

High MR just means they have a lot of items ranked up

[stiff fable]

My OC donut steal headcanon is that the Unum is Wally's missing finger

[restive river]

His finger loved a glass lady???

[wooden cave]

the gordon freeman cutout in hollvania: address me

[restive river]

And also has she/her pronouns

[midnight ice]

sentences of all time

[stiff fable]

I love a glass lady, who am I to judge

[midnight ice]

transgender win

[cunning ore]

I was MR 7 at that time, was really excited about lore but things just messed up and like many questions and doubts after that.

[midnight ice]

your finger gets cut off into realspace and she immediately changes her pronouns

[restive river]

We beat the indifference with loving ourselves and each other

[stiff fable]

The Man in the Wall, the Finger in the Glass

[wooden cave]

https://tenor.com/view/martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-martin-scorsese-meme-martin-scorsese-absolute-cinema-gif-7188464701423971028

[stiff fable]

It's like poetry it rhymes

[restive river]

Ayo

[stiff fable]

[twin wigeon]

you didn't read the Gl-

[stiff fable]

anyway

what are the odds that the scary evil artist lady in the Follie mission is the Zariman art teacher

[twin wigeon]

100%

whats the chances Follie is the artist that makes the orokin paintings

[stiff fable]

Oh that's good. Sadly, too many of them are pre-Old War

The Albrecht and Ballas ones on the Zariman were on the ship when it made the jump

[twin wigeon]

maybe they warframed the artist to preserve their life?

[stiff fable]

I could see that

actually, here's a character I want to see

Whatever Orokin or Archimedean made the ayatan

[twin wigeon]

oooh

[restive river]

I like the idea that the frame helped their Tenno with the voices

[misty helm]

Or the Kuria

[twin wigeon]

or the somachord

[stiff fable]

or the void damned solar rail

[twin wigeon]

oh thats the hunhow praghasa duo

[glass sluice]

Or whoever decided that deathorbs should pop up just as you're getting a really good parkour flow going and grind you to a halt.

[stiff fable]

that's for the Outer Terminus -> Tau gate, not rails in general

[twin wigeon]

oh

so like who makes the interplanetary rails?

[cunning ore]

😭 why there so information that so confusing to understand. Can anyone summary the whole Warframe story till this point?

[ashen pulsar]

no

[jolly root]

You dont hate ballas enough

[ashen pulsar]

look at their user

they're FARR from hating him enough

[twin wigeon]

rich people got bored

[cunning ore]

Yea even if i learned more about lore ✨ i can blame Wally instead

[twin wigeon]

woah woah woaah

wally is blameless

he's just a baby

[cunning ore]

The whole Empire scared of a baby

I like that idea

[twin wigeon]

he doesn't even hate us, he just wants his finger back

[restive river]

The Orokin empire was unaware of Wally

[ashen pulsar]

does wally even have more kills than balls

[twin wigeon]

balls

[ashen pulsar]

probably not

[twin wigeon]

well yes?

[ashen pulsar]

wait from what

[misty helm]

Executor Balls

[twin wigeon]

assuming you count those collapsed realities as a result of the deal

[ashen pulsar]

im gonna executor balls

[twin wigeon]

those alternative realities in which we don't take the deal

[ashen pulsar]

mehhhhhh

idk

[twin wigeon]

yeah

[cunning ore]

Hình tượng tượng trưng, ý tôi Wally là như vậy khi Albretch tự định hình Void thành Wally.

I'm sorry i cannot make more confusions so i have to use my own language it viet 😭

[twin wigeon]

thats a stretch

him personally tho? not much

even the cavias' death is from void energy killing them and not him personally

[restive river]

So

“The dust of decayed universes, rich in entropy. Entrati's research postulates it as the animating agent of the nightmarish Murmur.”

[fast dew]

Oh is this about of Wally is a piece of shit or not?

[twin wigeon]

well more like how many kills does wally have

[fast dew]

Oh

[twin wigeon]

stemming from this

[fast dew]

Thats not a quantifiable amount

[twin wigeon]

and me saying "he's just a baby"

[ashen pulsar]

dont think it'd hold up in court

[restive river]

Lol

[ashen pulsar]

"your honor, he collapsed a near-infinite amount of universes, of course he should be murdered"
"evidence?"

"look at the bone fingers, THOSE ARE THE COLLAPSED UNIVERSES"
"the prosecution lawyer will be sentenced to 4 years in a mental hospital"

[cunning ore]

see, i can blame Wally ✨

[twin wigeon]

nuh uh

[ashen pulsar]

i can blame balls

[cunning ore]

yes

[twin wigeon]

balls caused everything to go downhill

[cunning ore]

Yea, you can blame Ballas as i can blame Wally

[twin wigeon]

wally is just a byproduct

[cunning ore]

and we have to prepare to defeat Wally

yea, i can still blame Wally

[ashen pulsar]

thats like saying caesar caused everything to go downhill

all of the romans were terrible

-# not all but you get it

[midnight ice]

didnt balls orchestrate the eggs to be activated instead of destroyed?

thus restarting the war?

[ashen pulsar]

him and nitokh and whoever else

[civic token]

Heya, so I'm watching a video about the Seven, and when listing names I noticed Roath wasn't there. So I assume Orokin =/= the top of the food chain?

[midnight ice]

galastra has a fat ass btw

[midnight ice]

yeah the orokin has their own tierlist
executor, emperor then normal orokin

[cunning ore]

What? How you got that information? 😮

[stiff fable]

Also the Empire had a caste system

[midnight ice]

i dont know if thats spoilers

[stiff fable]

The Orokin Caste were at the top, but even inside that there was a difference between the normal Orokin and Orokin landowners

[radiant pier]

wait

how do I actually access the thing with the triad

[radiant pier]

thought you said lawnmowers

[midnight ice]

and also orokin lawnmowers

[stiff fable]

The Tenno were the lawnmowers

[radiant pier]

perfect

[midnight ice]

which. kim chat?

[stiff fable]

[midnight ice]

finish the old peace i think

[stiff fable]

Press F to pay respects at the console

[radiant pier]

....what's a kim chat

[stiff fable]

PFFT

[radiant pier]

how do I do their missions? Lyon doesn't wanna talk to me

[stiff fable]

Lyon won't talk to you until Marie likes you

[midnight ice]

^

[stiff fable]

And you need to talk to Marie on AOL

[cunning ore]

Whre?

[radiant pier]

how do I get Marie to like me

why's he such a tsundere

[stiff fable]

.

[midnight ice]

ok we have different standards on what constitutes a fat ass

[radiant pier]

....what's AOL

[midnight ice]

trauma etc etc etc

[radiant pier]

okay fairs WHO THE HELL IS BALLAS IS LOVE

[midnight ice]

oh hala you a baby tenno and a baby irl

[cunning ore]

I mean where? 😭

[radiant pier]

HALA? PH?

[cunning ore]

In which way you ask? Of course i'm "Ballas is Love 💛"

[midnight ice]

anyway go to your backroom and go to the computer, there should be a tab for the triad; talk to marie a lot until she likes you and lyon opens up. thats kinda all they do asides from being vendors

[radiant pier]

OHHH

[midnight ice]

no i just have a lot of ph friends lol

[radiant pier]

aw

okay, add another one to the list then

[midnight ice]

i swear to god most of my online group consistently and coincidentally are filo

[radiant pier]

was this something that was revealed to you directly or just all does something filo "wait, you're filo?"

and then it happened 5 more times

[cunning ore]

Mine is US since i really need to study English in both speaking, gramma and vocabulary

[radiant pier]

y-yeah-but what's AOL

[stiff fable]

Nostalgia 😭

[midnight ice]

i meet one guy -> they introduce me to others -> these introduce me to others -> half of gaming group turns out to be one single family from manila and my TTRPG group are scattered around luzon/visayas its crazy

[midnight ice]

really really old messaging system

[stiff fable]

(AOL was an American internet service provider in the 1990s that was famous for just mailing people CDs to install their web browser)

[radiant pier]

ohhh

[midnight ice]

ok yes also that

[stiff fable]

(They made the first really popular chat service, AIM, or AOL Instant Messenger)

[radiant pier]

you're ancient

[stiff fable]

Rebb's my age

[cunning ore]

KIM is the message system that introduced from and by The Hex.
But umm, i forgot who create it, was it Albretch?

[stiff fable]

nah it's naturally from 1999

[radiant pier]

LMFAOAOAOAOA JUST DEADASS A WHOLE FAMILY?!?

[radiant pier]

who's Rebb?

[stiff fable]

The Lotus

[radiant pier]

are they a Warframe

oh Lotus name is Rebb? I thought it was Margulis?

[stiff fable]

In the sense that she's the one making Warframe

oh my god lol

[cunning ore]

No, he just sharing experience with being invited into flipi groups

[midnight ice]

no rebb is Rebbeca 😭 she voices lotus

[radiant pier]

WHAT

[midnight ice]

Rebb Ford is the wf creative director and voices the lotus

[radiant pier]

I never look stuff up 💔

I like going in blind for wf

[stiff fable]

Rebb is Rebb Ford, she's the person running Warframe

[cunning ore]

Okay, so let back to what do you want to ask?

[radiant pier]

discord is totally off the hook tho it's way funnier

[stiff fable]

real talk, you should be watching the Twitch streams

Because they give away free stuff

[radiant pier]

what's twitch

[stiff fable]

Like prime Warframes

[radiant pier]

I'M KIDDING

[cunning ore]

👀

[radiant pier]

HUH WHAT

[midnight ice]

the dad is my teammate and the daughter is my destiny 2 sherpa and the daughters boyfriend AND his brother AND her brother is my teammate girl get me out of here

[cunning ore]

Joel, are you my grandpa?

[radiant pier]

HOW

[stiff fable]

Twitch drops

[radiant pier]

not gonna reveal my age but I am a young adult in college

[stiff fable]

12, got it

[midnight ice]

did we get word on whether or not this tennocon theyre gonna have frame drops?

[cunning ore]

So he not known about Twitch

[midnight ice]

oo so 10

[stiff fable]

every year

[ashen pulsar]

= 2

[radiant pier]

also this is my 3rd game ever on pc not counting c&c games and DMC games like 8 years ago

not counting mobile....then again I don't really play anyway-

[midnight ice]

neat

[cunning ore]

So the Twitch is a streaming platform that have some special functions like it do have thing called "Drops" that can contain in-game rewards.

[stiff fable]

Prime Warframe and a weapon or fancy cosmetic (and sometimes a bonus)

[cunning ore]

Even Archon Shards

[radiant pier]

I spend a lot of my time studying, reading about psychology, fighting people, making people increasingly concerned by my mere existence itself, and playing wlw matchmaker because Yuri is peak, any questions or is that a good background

[radiant pier]

YES DW I KNOW, that was a joke

[cunning ore]

😭 i thought you was my grandpa for a moment but glad

[radiant pier]

how do I...link my stuff so I can get twitch rewards to my account

[ashen pulsar]

you lost me at psychology but I came back for the yuri

[radiant pier]

okay wait that's funny as hell

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/yuri-yuri-expert-i-love-yuri-i-freaking-love-yuri-yuri-licence-gif-9988333502784798675

[radiant pier]

fellow love bullet enjoyer or larper

read love bullet thank you

[ashen pulsar]

I've read love bullet
there isnt much of it tho

[stiff fable]

https://www.warframe.com/twitch/

[cunning ore]

So we ended the lore discussion today with Yuri

[fast dew]

I may prefer yaoi, but both is peak and equal

[radiant pier]

holy SHIT

[cunning ore]

Okay, now it Yaoi

[ashen pulsar]

mehhh yuri > yaoi

[radiant pier]

I was just gonna check some Warframe OSTs and this first one

[fast dew]

Nuh uh

[ashen pulsar]

yeah huh

[radiant pier]

I legit had to FREEZE IN AWE

[ashen pulsar]

yuri has way better plot

[radiant pier]

Ironclad is peak

[cunning ore]

The game does support so i think it fair

Like yaoi = yuri

Just cannot produce the next gen

[fast dew]

Yaoi is more prominent in wf rn but thats okay

[ashen pulsar]

albert entarti

[cunning ore]

Whisper from Albretch Entrati

[radiant pier]

god bless the old peace, all the writers, the level designers, the music the THE EVERYTHING

[cunning ore]

Their music always peak

I mean WF music

[radiant pier]

this truly is a Lullaby Of The Manifold™

[cunning ore]

do you cry when listen to it?

[stiff fable]

look yuri is more prevalent everywhere else I'll let WF skate

[radiant pier]

it most definitely is not

[stiff fable]

ehhhhhhhh

[fast dew]

It usually is, mainly cus straight men fetishise it a lot

[radiant pier]

oh if that's what they meant then yeah it's more "prevalent"

[old wharf]

Are cats actually the orokin?

Like think about it

[cunning ore]

Yes, but they more adorable

[smoky gulch]

UnFun fact regarding yaoi and yuri: tenor banned yaoi as search term, but yuri is fine in their book

[dark compass]

See, here's proof

[high bay]

Out of the small handful of factions we regularly commit war crimes not even listed in the Geneva to do list against, which should I feel the most bad about uber murdering?

[dark compass]

Corpus. They're just some dudes on payroll

[smoky gulch]

Well, Grineer are manipulated into cult of personality the moment they exist; Corpus die of 9-5 that happens to be in Tenno path; infested minds don't die even after you kill them, consciousness persisting in hive

[stiff fable]

most of them are brainwashed or drugged iirc

[dark compass]

Brainwashed and drugged dudes on a payroll

Even worse if you ask me

[stiff fable]

it's like full cyberpunk dystopia

https://klipy.com/gifs/cyberpunk-cyberpunk-anime-13

[high bay]

That’s what I was thinking, with the sole exception of the taxmen we purge in the Vallis, the ones directly working for Anyocorp, the ones kidnapping and butchering the Solaris, guilty of the crime of being born into shitty circumstance

[stiff fable]

Most of the factions are like that in some way I feel

[smoky gulch]

Factions can't be monolithically evil, as that would flatten storytelling potential: so for both Grineer and Corpus we are early on acquaintanced with their rebels

[stiff fable]

Like, the Sentients are the ones basically in the "right" during the Old War, the Grineer are brainwashed slaves, the Corpus are brainwashed slaves working for Elon Musk, and Infested individuals are having their minds and souls stretched across time and space.

the only major faction you don't need to feel bad about is the Murmur

[smoky gulch]

Though the Murmur might get later characters to tell a bit more who they are

[dusty dragon]

Why does mirage look so much like the Worm Queen?

[high bay]

I feel like the three contenders for who I should feel slightly bad about uber murdering is
1: Sentients(Literally play Jade Shadows and Old Peace and get back to me)
2: Corpus, sure most of their leadership are Grade A jerks, but the average crewman is just trying to get the credits to pay off the compounding interest on the loan they took out to afford their gear and put food on the table
3: Narmer, sure they’re a radical, brainwashed, cult, but under the veil, they’re just victims of Ballas’ relentless pursuit to be the biggest jerk in the system

[stiff fable]

fwiw 2 is the Solaris, not the Corpus

The Corpus are half cryptobros + half MLM believers, and half brainwashed slaves

[high bay]

When I made this list, I only considered factions that we regularly shoot and hack and slash and butcher on a daily basis

[stiff fable]

right right, but we actually don't know much about the rank and file Corpus compared to Grineer etc

Mostly because Kahl lived while Vero died

[midnight ice]

Veso 😠

its Veso-R 😠 🫵

[midnight ice]

• we do know that some of them commonly trade stuff in Cetus

[smoky gulch]

They are indeed peacefully present there at all times

The religious aspect of Corpus is undercut by main religious villain among them being total goofball

Nef Anyo is everyone's favourite punching bag in story

[stiff fable]

Except the actual cult leader is a sociopathic freak

[humble sierra]

Mirage's mask is based on Grineer masks

[woven coyote]

Wewo L

[midnight ice]

its Teeko

[woven coyote]

Meno m

[fast dew]

Menopause

[proper barn]

no?

who told you that?

[smoky gulch]

Is there a character more death flaggy than Teshin?
Introduced in Teacher, he holds off enemies for Tenno to escape.
War Within? Controlled by villainess until very climax of story.
New War? Dramatic last stand against brainwashing followed by being left for death.
Yet he still breathes, against all tropes

[fast dew]

Id say Albrecht is one? Got sandblasted by the void, went back into the void even after that, seemingly fought against murmur given he schizophrenically scribbles them on the wall + he knows the murmur weakness, got kidnapped by wally and somewhat survived, no clue how he didn't die in the reactor meltdown tho

[digital grail]

How does transference work?

[pale cedar]

Emotion
Talking

[crude slate]

is there a lore explanation for playing as the operator? as in how does the tenno appear in the place where the Warframe they're controlling is?

[fast dew]

Transference

[crimson abyss]

he died at the end of the duviri quest too iirc

[fast dew]

Nup

He is very alive, the loop stops folk from dying

[pale cedar]

They can teleport to where a frame is due to being connected

[crude slate]

ah

[crimson abyss]

i dont remember much of that quest ngl

[pale cedar]

Teshin died but was revived by the throne

[crimson abyss]

he cant stop dying

[pale cedar]

He’s only died once

[crimson abyss]

did he not die in new war

before he ended up in duviri

[pale cedar]

Nope

“Void can heal as well as harm”

Erra is 0-2 on killing Dax via crushed helmet

[crimson abyss]

true

[midnight ice]

oh yeah. varzia is still out and about scamming tennos

[fast dew]

Damn royal aya

[dusty dragon]

I don't like her

[crimson abyss]

erra needs to come back and carry out another helmet crushing

[dusty dragon]

I don't like most of the vendors, because I'll check their inventory and they'll get uppity when I don't buy anything.

[midnight ice]

i take erra by the hand to maroo's and go THERE, THATS HER, SHES THE ONE THAT MADE ME PAY 20 BUCKS FOR 3 ROYAL AYA

[crimson abyss]

truth

either that or i'd send a corpus razorback fleet to destroy maroo's bazaar

[fast dew]

I think like. Not many vendors actually do that, iirc its mainly just. Loid

And he's old and I assume all the stuff he has to get out is heavy, so I can get the. Reaction

[dusty dragon]

Sword man in cetus is mean.

[fast dew]

Is he?

Lemme check cus I don't think i actually had that occur

[dusty dragon]

Everyone who talks back about me not buying things is mean.

It's always something about me being poor.

[crimson abyss]

theyre on the hitlist

[fast dew]

Oh he is

Weird idk why i didn't realise

[minor axle]

lol Hamburg is still Hamburg in Warframe.

[fast dew]

Maybe im just as mean as him and didn't catch it/j

[crimson abyss]

he is mean

[minor axle]

How does this (AeHChLLVNEeH) translate to "Höllvania"???

It's on the tour poster for Temple and The Rippers. The venue is listed as "The Round Table" (the bar in the mall).

[strange turtle]

He survived and crash-landed, where the Happy Woman (Mathila?) found him and took care of him

[minor axle]

Can/has anyone make/made sense of these locations?

Ludston BGHD MAwLEeEhS
LAwThEeHUhN City STHLREeGHTEhS Union
EeT DEeH LAwH LOoMEeRAeH Catacombs (obviously City De La Lumière spelled weird)
LEeHS DIhN BHRN SPEhROhHEhS Bar
Hamburg Studio ZN(Zen?)

[fast dew]

Here's a tip, its a phonetic language

[proper barn]

What are we talking about? Don't be mean to Varzia. @fast dew @dusty dragon

[fast dew]

So its not the letters that spell it out

Its the sounds you make with them

[minor axle]

Well, I know that. How do you think I got Ludston and Hamburg.

[midnight ice]

damn u got the hitlist ready 😭 mb 😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭

[dusty dragon]

I don't like her.

[fast dew]

I will be mean to her, she's mean to me unless im using a prime

[midnight ice]

all of the vendors kind of backhand-quip at you if you dont buy stuff (even Yonta says "my patience is..... almost endless") i think only the Deepmines guy says "thats alright, only get what you need"

[proper barn]

Also royal Aya was actually worth it it just now is better and normal Aya was always worth it but this isn't a gameplay channel.

[fast dew]

Me when I lie

I say as I buy royal aya

[crimson abyss]

script ended up like tibetan where the writing never changed but the language did

[proper barn]

That's baro. She's just like "hey you could have a prime" lmao

[fast dew]

Might get trinity prime next week

[midnight ice]

I say as i buy royal aya for the templar fit

[proper barn]

I'm literally correct.

[fast dew]

Shes nicer if you have a prime!

[fast dew]

No i. Didnt finish my sentence before sending

Mb 😭

[crimson abyss]

Lies

[proper barn]

Lmao

[fast dew]

I continue to do this

[strange turtle]

Nightgoat

[crimson abyss]

varzia is mean

[fast dew]

I should check what the stuff in the resurgence is rn, its trinity and Nova yeah? I swear we had that not too long ago actually

[midnight ice]

nova and something, i havent popped in wf in a while

[fast dew]

Mm, yeah Nova and trinity

Lowkey trinity's prime resurgence kinda sucks lol

[dark compass]

Medic in a game where nobody dies

[digital grail]

Not the only purpose she serves

[pale cedar]

She was still better till people stoped dying

[minor axle]

Why did Temple and the Rippers start in Eastern Europe in February and then go to Britain immediately after, are they stupid?

[crimson abyss]

very odd behaviour

[midnight ice]

the british

[fast dew]

Mm, they might. Idk have ties to eastern Europe?

[minor axle]

No, seriously, Höllvania -> London -> Edinburgh -> Paris -> ??? -> Hamburg

[fast dew]

Oh

[crimson abyss]

isnt höllvania in germany

[fast dew]

They never made it past Höllvania I don't think lmfao

[crimson abyss]

accurate

[fast dew]

And yeah, Germany iirc

[minor axle]

No, it's near Russia.

[crimson abyss]

accurate to real life

[minor axle]

Well, I guess near Russia is near Germany...

[crimson abyss]

can u find a map of it

[fast dew]

Ill be honest Russia is pretty close to germany

[crimson abyss]

somewhere in game

[fast dew]

And given the name, its likely to be from that area

[crimson abyss]

because it has the ö i assumed it was german

[minor axle]

No maps, but they do use modified Soviet T54/55 tanks. And I think it used to be in Rus' sphere of influence before it dissolved.

[fast dew]

And. I think Russia is predominantly landlocked bar the top area, and Höllvania is near the. Ocean iirc? and it definitely does not look like somewhere up in north Russia

[crimson abyss]

true

[minor axle]

It has a port with massive cruise yachts.

Could border the Black Sea?

[fast dew]

Mm. Probably not Russia or any inland area

[minor axle]

Or Baltic Sea.

[fast dew]

Mm, perhaps, id say that ferries [which is what you might be thinking of as yachts] are used in relatively close proximity to other land mass

[crimson abyss]

possibly

[minor axle]

During TennoCon 2024 it was placed here.

[crimson abyss]

but if its bordering the black sea its probably not goign to be named höllvania

[minor axle]

Around Romania, Moldova, or Ukraine.

[fast dew]

I wouldn't trust the current earth

[crimson abyss]

i just noticed that cetus is in the middle east while the plains are in central asia

[minor axle]

Oh, it's even worse these days.

[crimson abyss]

yet u can enter through a gate

[fast dew]

Its possibly tens of thousands of years in the future, which means tectonic plates would've moved the places around

[pale cedar]

Why is everything on Earth in Europe in Warframe I thought it was Europe that got nuked

[crimson abyss]

for tectonic plates to have moved that much

it would take tens of millions of years

[fast dew]

Ehh

[minor axle]

You'd think, but I can assure you, all textures of Earth's surface except one is modern day.

The one that isn't modern is just a repeating image.

[fast dew]

I reckon thats more of a "this works" shortcut than something that could be used as accurate information, and i will also say that stuff shown during tennocon might not be the final product

[minor axle]

I don't disagree.

[fast dew]

So we can't use it as definitive lore unless we see it in a completed version

[pale cedar]

Tennocon 2025 relay was in the Sun despite the fact we don’t visit the Sun

Tbh Warframe Sun is yellow despite the fact it would’ve been White in New War

[minor axle]

New War. Ballas tried to open a portal to Tau there.

The TennoCon 2025 Relay was in the ruins of Praghasa. I don't remember the skybox, though.

[pale cedar]

It wasn’t on Praghasa it was just a random murex

[minor axle]

Aw, it would have been cooler...

[fast dew]

The skybox was far from the sun iirc

[midnight ice]

we stole a random murex and had a rave in it

wonder if i can buy tennocon tickets and get access to the relay :(

[fast dew]

We did get to see giant Loid. Which is what I was focused on. I got to see his design up close

[fast dew]

Its a digital ticket you can buy

[midnight ice]

YAY

[fast dew]

It comes out closer to tennocon dw

You get plat with it, and cosmetics

Last year gave us a emote for the cape syandana we got

[minor axle]

Oh, the venue that Temple and the Rippers were planning to visit in Lothian City (Edinburgh) on May 6th was "??? Union". A friend of mine found a fun fact about that:

Union = straight-up nod to real student union halls and trade union halls that were the go-to concert spots in 1990s Edinburgh and Scotland.
These places hosted tons of gigs (indie, rock, punk, metal) exactly in the May 1999 era.

Any ideas what it actually says, though?
"STHLREeGHTEhS Union"

And any idea what city "LEeHS DIhN BHRN" is? There are likely missing letters.

[twin wigeon]

Dih n

[pale cedar]

Watch it just be a place called Lisdenburn

[minor axle]

Oh my goodness. Hamburg is still called Hamburg in the Warframe universe because the etymology of "hamburger" wouldn't make sense otherwise.

[midnight ice]

we built Dih City 💔

[marble timber]

Could a Tenno theoretically transfer into a normal person? Obviously there wouldn’t be any purpose in it 90% of the time, but could they?

[midnight ice]

we built Dih city on rock and roll 💔

[twin wigeon]

No

Wait

[marble timber]

I mean, we can already transfer into Arthur, and he doesn’t have a transference bolt

Same with the dragon thing and the fish thing

[twin wigeon]

Yeah but he’s infested

[marble timber]

I mean, aside from the Warframes, I don’t think the Tenno themselves are connected to the infested. + the other two I mentioned

[twin wigeon]

You’re right

Hmmm ok wait

Transference is enabled thru the use of transference bolts yea?

[marble timber]

Kinda

From what I understand it just makes transference WAY easier

[opaque zenith]

It helps, but not strictly necessary

[marble timber]

But it’s technically possible without one

[twin wigeon]

Oh yeah that’s prolly why

[marble timber]

I headcanon that’s why the fish thing and the dragon thing have a timer

[twin wigeon]

Arthur has some pushback when being invaded

[marble timber]

They don’t have the bolt so they can resist + it’s more difficult

[marble timber]

He even outright forced drifter out at one point

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-arthur-typing-typing-fast-gif-7776421255537450874

Plus this scene

[twin wigeon]

The maw and orowyrm are kinda inanimate in a sense so maybe that’s why their transference is easier

There’s no consciousness to override or bypass

[marble timber]

Are they? The Wyrm is just the dragon form of the durviri victims

[twin wigeon]

Same with necramech

[marble timber]

But the other one is just a mindless fish

[twin wigeon]

Welllll

The maw is some kinda fish but iirc orowyrms were responsible for consuming comceptual embodiments so they’re tied to void tech

Unless I’m mixing it up

[marble timber]

Yeah

So it’s probably more of a case by case thing

[twin wigeon]

Prolly

[marble timber]

If the person your attempting it on can resist it

Like Arthur

[twin wigeon]

Or umbra

[marble timber]

Yeah, but Umbra did have a Umbral transference bolt

Its what allowed him to retain his consciousness after being infected

And all that jazz

Poor boy

I hope we get to continue expanding on in game uses for transference

Would be fun to be able to transfer into a random grineer mid mission and have some Khal gameplay lmao

[pale cedar]

No frames lost it after being infected they are all sentient

[fast dew]

Nemesis i think they mean the higher level of awareness

[pale cedar]

Which is why Stalker Jade and our frames all move on their own

He doesn’t have a higher level of awareness though as nothing says that

[fast dew]

Most warframes don't have the same level of awareness, they retain sentience but not to the degree of someone like Umbra

As in. Umbra retains his memories, even if its one

While most other warframes cannot

[pale cedar]

That’s the only special thing about him tbh

The burning memory

Rather than the bolt

[fast dew]

The idle animations being rememants of the original person's personality

[pale cedar]

We have virtually no lore on bolts

[fast dew]

The bolt. Might have something to do with how umbra functions

I assume that it has something to do with the whole. Unable to hurt ballas thing

Though that could be because umbra is a dax, id argue that Dagath is capable of harming orokin despite being a dax herself

[pale cedar]

Tbh the can’t hurt Ballas thing seems more like Ballas using transference on him

As we have seen him do

Was funny how Ballas saw us doing Transference better than him

I do find it silly how some people hear the words “burning memory” and continue believing we suddenly got rid of that memory forrever

[marble timber]

He has a special Umbral Bolt of sorts, it’s what gave him such his high degree of sentience by making him retain at least that memory. It also allows Ballas to control him, at least that’s what I’ve heard and presume myself

And considering most frames are completely comatose without a operator, at least the new gen frames in the present timeline, and Umbra’s passive is called sentience, id say he is definitely significantly more aware and in control than the others

[glass sluice]

I honestly loved finding that out via the KiM talk with quincy, a real highlight in a generally miserable time with him.

[fast dew]

I think i struggled with understanding him most of the time tbh. Perhaps it was intentional

[marble timber]

Also if the canon is that our operator was the user of Excal Prime, I now like to head canon that if you choose excal in the beginning the reason it’s the normal version is that he broke down over years in stasis

[marble timber]

Yeah, at first I kinda though he was a jerk and hated him

He’s still annoying a solid third of the time

[fast dew]

I don't like. Any of the men in the hex tbh

[marble timber]

I like Arthur

[opaque zenith]

"They took the keys"

[fast dew]

Amir is annoying, arthur is. Arthur and i genuinely cannot understand Quincy

[marble timber]

Amir is okay, he gets annoying after a bit but his dnd references were awesome for me

I love dnd

[fast dew]

Based as hell

[marble timber]

Your favorite class?

Mine so far has been death domain cleric

[glass sluice]

I honestly got Quincy fairly quickly, like I get what his whole deal is.
but i genuinely do not like people IRL who turn every single serious situation into a joke. I know its a defense mechanism, but it ticks me right off.

[marble timber]

Played it for a WoW style Death Knight inspired character

[glass sluice]

Amir was the dark horse of the bunch, him and Aoi.
his PTSD from being in a warzone for the first time, and her whole deal just really works.
Even Lettie i kinda started liking after a while, although her writing was a bit lacking compared to some others.

[pale cedar]

Amir caused Autism vs ADHD

[glass sluice]

that one story about Quincy making fun of Arthur when he gets the courage to sing in public for the first time in years, honestly made me come incredibly close to cutting his conversations off right there.

[fast dew]

Personally an oathbreaker Paladin, usually a tiefling. Orrrr an arcane trickster rogue, if im feeing particularly good about a campaign
-# had to check the spelling of tiefling

[glass sluice]

remember the fake rule: "i before e, except after c".

[fast dew]

Yeah lmfao

[glass sluice]

Amir is annoying, and what annoys me the most about him is that they don't flip his character later on and let the real him show. It just goes back to what he was.
going through the kim stuff slowly has really changed my opinion on most of them.

[fast dew]

I think Amir is honestly the result of someone not actually understanding ADHD tbh. He feels like the stereotype of a person with ADHD, ignoring that the specific version of ADHD that stereotype uses is moreso the child presentation of ADHD [this is why there's separate tests for adults!]. It would've been refreshing to see an adult presentation of ADHD, but alas. Couldn't be as lucky.

It feels really strange when you compare it to how well written Rell's autism was. There's a quality jump somewhere

[glass sluice]

Honestly I've got no idea about that stuff, so I'm purely going off his turn when his trauma nightmares come to light.
I always saw the "childlike" stuff with him as a sort of well, defense mechanism. Every one of the Hex has one.

[dark compass]

Its this persistent habit of people conflating nerd=childish

[fast dew]

The thing that cemented this for me was that. That comment on not wanting to give Amir caffeine, in case it hypes him up or whatever. In most cases, stimulants calm folk with ADHD down! That's why they get prescribed stuff like adderall! Like I know its not all the time like that, but the vast majority of folk with ADHD do not experience typical responses to stimulants 😭

[dark compass]

And you end up with awful representation because yes someone who's a nerd is just not "adult enough"

They have time for silly videogames and other things

Not like mr grown adultman

You can't be an adult and enjoy videogames, you see

[fast dew]

I think its. Less that he uses it as a mechanism, but that he genuinely is just. Like that. And that's not a bad thing, its just. His voice pisses me off. I've wanted to punch most of the hex for their voices 😭

[glass sluice]

You have anger issues.

[fast dew]

I can tolerate Eleanor's, but almost every other protoframe makes me want to rip my skin off

[glass sluice]

Lots of anger issues.

[fast dew]

No, its. Its autism and having sensory issues with voices

[glass sluice]

I knew that was going to be the response.

[dark compass]

And "he's not a soldier he's just a civilian"

[fast dew]

Disorder acts like a disorder???? What else do you want me to say??

[dark compass]

Like an active effort to undermine his autonomy as a functioning adult

[glass sluice]

He literally wasn't a solider, he was caught up in this stuff.
He literally tells us that.
the "not a solider" is taking it literally.

[dark compass]

I know

Doesn't change my point

[fast dew]

Im not gonna actually punch someone for it, im saying that it triggers a visceral reaction that i, as a person with sensory issues, cannot handle, nor can I fully control. If I could fully control my autism, I wouldn't be in residential care.

[pale cedar]

I swear you rarely see an adaptation of a disorder done right

[dark compass]

It feels like he was written by a typical person who thinks liking things passionately and being a "nerd" is "shameful and childish"

Like as if it's an active character flaw

[fast dew]

Rell was super good, I liked Rell's representation

[pale cedar]

Rell still has the slight mistake of Autism vs Alexithymia

[dark compass]

There's no problem about him being a civilian, there's a problem about him being presented as a manchild

[glass sluice]

Most of the time you get put up as a trope, even if people don't consider it a disorder in general.

[pale cedar]

Most Autism in media is just they’re super smart

[glass sluice]

or a disability as a superpower. But if i go that route i am going to need to sleep it off, so lets go with disorder for now

[dark compass]

And with it comes your "child adhd" representation. Because he's already presented as someone who is not a "proper adult"

[fast dew]

As in the emotion cards?

Those aren't because of alexithymia, its not to learn how to read others emotions

Its for you to learn your own

Its a common treatment with autistic kids

[dark compass]

Actually I feel like I'm talking to a wall right now

Back to watching OPLA I guess

[pale cedar]

They coded him with just Autism but forgot Alexithymia is separate

[fast dew]

Both can occur, its not uncommon

Iirc its actually more uncommon for it to not happen at the same time

[misty helm]

The Man in the Wall confirmed 👁️⃤

[pale cedar]

Yeah but many assume they are the same thing

[fast dew]

Wally is around here somewhere

[glass sluice]

welcome to this channel whenever that blue name is here. Oof.

[fast dew]

The lidless eye is watching

[dark compass]

Oh so yeah people do just ignore my messages

Fine

[fast dew]

I don't, or i don't try to

[scarlet bone]

yeah my little brother does the same

[dark compass]

I mean there's like 4-ish people present in a conversation excluding me

My existence is void, my presence is all consuming

[fast dew]

Well come and interact with the other conversation 😭 the autism stuff

[pale cedar]

Multitask conversations
Fun

[glass sluice]

This is a server with over 300, 000 people, if you want people to read everything you write, you gotta make it stand out, or just stop caring what people who dont know you and never will say.

[dark compass]

fine whatever who cares

[fast dew]

I assume its the same people who believe autism must be a intellectual disability in every case

[dark compass]

*this is a channel with like 10 people active in it

[pale cedar]

Much of the 300k are bots or inactive

[dark compass]

Don't exaggerate

[glass sluice]

yeah but its like youtube videos. 90% of the people using a social media platform dont say anything

[dark compass]

Their loss

[fast dew]

And im here maybe half the time cus im drawing

[dark compass]

I'm trying to talk

Oh well, doesn't matter

[glass sluice]

Then talk, and dont try to pretend that its important we listen.

[dark compass]

It is important for someone to

I don't know, engage in a conversation?

Otherwise I may as well just talk to myself

[glass sluice]

You cant have a 1-on-1 conversation unless you manufacture it in a server this big.

[pine thistle]

If you select your parents were rich as your backstory does this just mean they were wealthy non Orokin who got lucky in the system or were lower ranked Orokin

[dark compass]

Yes, that's why I'm here

Intertwining with your discussions

[fast dew]

Wealthy non-orokin

[dark compass]

Smh

[fast dew]

There would be absolutely no chance an orokin would be on the zariman

[pine thistle]

I’m surprised they allowed that

[glass sluice]

oh im not here to discuss anything, i dont care what people's here opinions on the lore is.
I know what I know, Im not learning anything from here.

[misty helm]

Probably near-Orokin echelon (?

[dark compass]

"Oh who cares I don't even have anything to do here anyway" nice