lore-discussion

[dark compass]

He tried to edit the wfm message by the way

[pale cedar]

How dare you do such a kind thing

[dark compass]

Said something about "saving"

[main arch]

DE Suit Prime and lore when.

[pale cedar]

Albrecht hasn’t saved a person in his life

He has done plenty of killing people

Hell he has children

Not just a child

Dead children

Or a dead child

[main arch]

He wanted to mpr- Loid.

I'm not finishing that word. 💀

[restive river]

Other way round

[dark compass]

Coward

[main arch]

I wouldn't test the hounds prime watching us, sorry.

[restive river]

mpreg has been mentioned a lot
and in here

[dark compass]

This channel is comparatively unmoderated and people say much wilder stuff in general chat

[main arch]

Loid and Albrecht want to mpreg each other-

[dark compass]

Anyways I gotta depart now

[restive river]

We’re comparably tamer lol

[dark compass]

My planet needs me

[dark compass]

Yeah, unironically

[main arch]

DE Lavos Rebis deluxe/heirloom please.

[restive river]

Dante’s up next for a deluxe

Lavos got his time in the sun
Time for book boi

[dark compass]

They/Themvos

Yeah Dante and Qorvex really need something...

They're old, their primes are next year

Qorvex has a single tennogen helmet

[restive river]

They ain’t that old lol

[dark compass]

That's the entire extent of their cumulative expanded fashion options

[restive river]

They do need something though yeah

[dark compass]

Old enough to be primed next year

[main arch]

I mean next time they do a deluxe for him lmao

[tall echo]

I need QORVEX

the tennogen helmet is nice but he needs more

[main arch]

Fricken Adam Kadmon. Primordial Man

[restive river]

Look up Dante on the workshop
We need them

[minor axle]

What is the lore reason for the Tenno being illiterate?

[dark compass]

Sometimes I feel like these sorts of posts are trolling

But then I see some questions asked in general chat

[minor axle]

tbf, it does say the mod is equipped. Not completely their fault.

But, their first instinct was to post on Reddit instead of clicking the "CLAIM" prompt.

[twin wigeon]

we just woke up from like a millennia long eep

[ashen pulsar]

when you wake up every morning, do you go "shit wait how do I read again"

[minor axle]

Someone wanted proof of Mergoo on Venus.

[ashen pulsar]

mergoo?

are those mergoo?

not sawgaws?

[strange turtle]

I mean sometimes people do yeah

[ashen pulsar]

sure but that's when you aren't fully awake

[strange turtle]

Yeah

And the Tenno can’t even have coffee until Second Dream

[twin wigeon]

mhm and then after they consume so much coffee that it permanently stunts their growth

[minor axle]

They are Mergoo, yes.

@dire mountain Got your proof.

[ashen pulsar]

wiki seems to agree with you, and they dont sound like sawgaws, so ig they are

[restive river]

I may just be blind but I don’t see them at all other than the very clear mergoo shadow lol

[ashen pulsar]

hm

[restive river]

Left of the drifter on the ground you can see the shadow of a mergoo

[minor axle]

-# (I'm on the Wiki team, shhh!)

[ashen pulsar]

ahhhh

[minor axle]

On the right of the Drifter you can see 5 to 7 Mergoo take flight at about 11s.

[restive river]

Horrible screenshot but

[restive river]

The quality is so bad it’s really hard to tell tbh

Discord compression

Tbh I could see Ballas getting Mergoo to Venus once it had been terraformed a bit more

Maybe he likes them

[dire mountain]

Does this help

[restive river]

Yes thank you 😭

[dire mountain]

You can see their ass wings clearly here

[restive river]

I knew they were there I just am
Very blind lol

[twin wigeon]

burd

[dire mountain]

Insane body structure btw why would any creature ever need that 😭

[restive river]

The shadows were p clear to me

[ashen pulsar]

imagine the core strength

[restive river]

Orokin moment

[dire mountain]

No they were in Höllvania so unless they were doing some jurassic park shit there

[ashen pulsar]

not even, they existed before the orokin

[dire mountain]

Other than like, the coda but thats more resident evil than jurassic park

[restive river]

Wait what 😭

[restive river]

Alt Earth animals are just
What

Oh my god I found it

Yeah no why are alt earth animals like this LOL

https://preview.redd.it/cool-animal-facts-circa-1999-v0-58wjkcfyrp8e1.jpg?width=640&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=bf972c6697c50eecc027e269f0aac056ce80fc78

[twin wigeon]

burd

[dire mountain]

there's also predasites in the zoo

[restive river]

They have cats, dogs and horses and whatever then there’s these

[dire mountain]

Just meow meows fr

[restive river]

Gorrilaframe fr

[twin wigeon]

"Just meow meows fr" 🤣

[restive river]

Wait no

[restive river]

Predasites are the lions I forgot 😭

[dire mountain]

Tell me those arent cats look at the silhouette

Theres also like some weird reptiles too

[restive river]

Wait so

Predasite lions existed on old earth

Techrot happens

[restive river]

Fast forward to Deimos

And it just decides to remake lions???

[dire mountain]

Lizard snake crocodile and tortoise

[restive river]

I love these lol

[dire mountain]

I think they were an imported species like vulpaphyla

[minor axle]

Kermerros states they are descendants of the real animals.

[dire mountain]

I love reptiles

My favorites are the archosaurs though

[ashen pulsar]

isnt there also a tagfer specimen thing

[dire mountain]

Dinosaur warframe when

[ashen pulsar]

a while

[restive river]

Yeah a species is called Tagfer which makes zero sense

[dire mountain]

Yeah 🥀 even though it should be called a cervulite

[ashen pulsar]

we alr got a name origin

[restive river]

Wait so the Orokin imported animals to Deimos and the infestation got a hold of them and just didn’t alter the design of the lions that much :?

[dire mountain]

The other animals with actual text have names that we can pretty reasonably assume are canonical

[restive river]

Wuks

[dire mountain]

Yeah

[minor axle]

Wuks

[restive river]

Bird 3 calling out for his people ):

[dire mountain]

Already not uncommon for birds to be named after the sound they make

[minor axle]

Wuk :(

[restive river]

Wuk wuk ):

[restive river]

This is probably what’s happening lol

[minor axle]

Also, Ape Prelate.

[restive river]

That’s Gorrilaframe

[minor axle]

That's like calling an animal a "Monkey Bishop".

[restive river]

We have named some animals really dumb names tbh

[minor axle]

This is true.

[dire mountain]

Mountain chicken

[minor axle]

I guess it's the species being before the descriptor that's the weird part, for me.

[restive river]

Bishop Monkey sounds like an animal
Monkey Bishop sounds like a monkey that’s a bishop

[minor axle]

Exactly.

[marble timber]

Question that hopefully has a answer and makes sense

how does the protagonist work?

Is it like Destiny where there is a single unidentified Guardian who represents the player base?

Or more of a World of Warcraft or other MMO where everyone is going through it at the same time?

[minor axle]

Destiny.

[marble timber]

I always imagine it as the former

[pale cedar]

There’s multiple Tenno

One protagonist Chosen Operator who made the deal

Haven’t played either of the games so don’t know what info I gave is actually closer to

[strange turtle]

Destiny

Destiny has a single Player Guardian who is special, has a million titles and is the one who personally goes through all the story stuff, alongside other Guardians during community events and stuff that has a bunch of Guardians contributing, and whose character is left mostly open but has certain traits assigned by the story (though Destiny’s is more vague)

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure we, the chosen operator, makes the deal and thus makes us the protagonist. Of course wally also empowers the other kiddos aboard thus canonizing the existence of other tenno

and then with eternalism, theres several alternate universes with other tennos making the deal all existing at once

so we're both the chosen operator and not

we made the deal and we did not

a deal was made and that is sure

what isn't sure is who made the deal and what it entails in its entirety

[gritty dew]

im playing Jade Shadows for the first time and i love when Stalker invades our ship and Ordis is searching for Stalker and it implies Umbra just wanders around sometimes

[twin wigeon]

mhm mhm

dunno why the others think that can be interpreted in other ways other than thata umbra just be wandering the ship while we're out

[gritty dew]

how do people miss interpret it?

[twin wigeon]

no one misinterprets it, its just that others say that that line has more interpretation than it seems

[gritty dew]

any ways im crying now because i just completed the quest

[twin wigeon]

good.

[restive river]

🫂

[gritty dew]

i named the child Sirius, because it glowed green which means thats what she would've wanted

[restive river]

Yeah that’s how I interpreted it too

[ocean geyser]

Meanwhile that one person who thought it was a good and evil choice

[sudden notch]

Which Warframes are more likely to buy a property in Egypt?

[restive river]

What does Egypt have to offer?

[ocean geyser]

Sand

[sudden notch]

Clearly you've never tasted Egyptian beans

[restive river]

I have not

But if they have good tasting things then I wanna say Grendel

[sudden notch]

They also have a lot of ocean life so hydroid too

Also the existence of eternalism somewhat implies that skins are somewhat canonical

[restive river]

Eh not really, no

The problem with eternalism is that it’s not accessible

[ashen pulsar]

think its kinda obvious
inaros

[sudden notch]

Inaros is already there, he's John Egypt like how stynaxx is John Scotland, they embody that cultures

[ashen pulsar]

eternalism is kinda dumb, it's mainly used as a random tool when they need it

we can't treat it as a tool cuz there's only one timeline we experience in warframe lore

[stiff fable]

Wait how tf is Styanax Scottish and not Spartan

Styanax is Greek

[woven coyote]

lol

yeah scotland came out of nowhere there

[sudden notch]

Gae bulgha the spese used by cu chulain, makes me think of stynaxx

[stiff fable]

He literally summons a legion of spearmen and uses a hoplite shield

[woven coyote]

not to mention his name and that of his abilties

[ashen pulsar]

wait yeah forgot to mention that

styanax is so far from scottish

his shield, tharros, translates to bravery in greek

he's themed around spartan soldiers

wait... is styanax's 4 a reference to the battle of thermopylae

the last stand of the 300

[stiff fable]

Not specifically that but yeah

[ashen pulsar]

yeah as in what

[stiff fable]

Not specifically a reference to Thermopylae

It's more generally just "a whole legion of Spartans hurling spears"

[ashen pulsar]

the name tho

the name "final stand" makes me think of the "final/last stand of the 300"

especially when styanax is spartan hoplite-themed

[lean garden]

what if its referencing 600 strike from Epic The Musical by Jorge Rivera-Hans

[ashen pulsar]

gonna have to explain this one sry

[lean garden]

its a song from a concept album of a musical based on the oddessy. The concept of the song is supposed to be like using an ult, which the souls of Odysseus's 600 dead man hit the "boos"

[ashen pulsar]

I see

still gonna go with the 300 theory

[minor axle]

What is the lore reason we never got this awesome-ass gun?
-# Yes, I just wanted to share this cool looking gun that I made a .png of.

[strange plinth]

that looks fairly similar to one of the gun skins that quincy sells iirc

[minor axle]

The Protokol Tekna? They don't really look that similar to me.

[strange plinth]

mm, yeah. basic shape is similar but the details are pretty different

[stiff beacon]

its from a video game

its not a real weapon

[dark compass]

It's from a videogame from a videogame

[stiff beacon]

ok maybe d.e. just is working on how to balance a warframe 1999 m1911

[minor axle]

Sorry if that came off as rude, I've just been wanting to use that gif for a while now.

[stiff beacon]

nah your good

[tall echo]

DE is afraid of giving us good looking secondaries

the protokol skins could be so cool but they look like the damn noisy cricket

https://tenor.com/view/noisy-cricket-will-smith-men-in-black-gif-9424978

[minor axle]

I'd believe it. They almost didn't give us the Protokol skins.

[tall echo]

they gave us the protokol skins twice

[minor axle]

They were "cancled" for a while before the first release.

[tall echo]

meh, I don't trust any scrapping DE does these days

[minor axle]

This was years ago. They stated they didn't fit the theme of Warframe. I personally think we have Reb to thank for saving them.

[ashen pulsar]

im so glad I bought the de nas pistol from baro

its such a good skin

[tall echo]

honestly yea, I have to restrain myself from using that skin on everything

maybe the perla skin is good

[dire mountain]

Okay but thats an AK every game has an AK

[ashen pulsar]

can cover up whatever the hell 80% of the pistols in this game are

[minor axle]

ikr?

[ashen pulsar]

this feels like one of those map memes

[tall echo]

tbf at least the vesper 99 is based off of the tekna skin

but it's still not good enough

[ashen pulsar]

these @minor axle

[minor axle]

Vesper 77 is based off the Makarov PB.

[tall echo]

you know what I meant

[minor axle]

No, I don't

[tall echo]

it looks like a modified extra big tekna

like it has the same grip

[minor axle]

Not really?

[old wharf]

What did they do to Aoi?

[strange plinth]

should see the kuva lich version of that

[tall echo]

it's horrifying

[old wharf]

...

[old wharf]

Is this one a keeper or nah?

[old wharf]

Ain't no way

[tall echo]

40% is decent, I'd say kill

[ashen pulsar]

not gonna get much selling it, if you really want it as an rj crew member you can keep

[stiff beacon]

tbf warframe has 2

the ax-52 and the efv-5 jupiter

[ashen pulsar]

efv is a modified ax

[stiff beacon]

modified enough to be its own gun

[ashen pulsar]

sure, just worth mentioning

they work very differently in the game

[worn pumice]

do we have an explanation why protoframes are half-warframe half-human?

[fast dew]

Yeah. Albrecht managed to modify the helminth strain to be slower

Impressive, tbh

[median elbow]

Disease is slower

Or goes around CNS

[worn pumice]

ty both, i was just confused for a second. I keep forgetting things

[median elbow]

Actually, there's a Quincy dialogue that may point to Albrecht intentionally planning to put Warframes for drifter to use, and being a sapient human kind of gets in the way of transference

Arthur managed to literally throw them out of his head

So who the hell knows, maybe it was unintentionally

[strange plinth]

its a consent thing
the subject has to be willing for it to work, seemingly
same way umbra was able to throw us out

[median elbow]

Then why the trio are okay?

[strange plinth]

our regular frames are dormant

[median elbow]

Yeah that's true

[median elbow]

So I guess it was an intentional move on Albrecht's side

He does love to experiment with sapient things

[fast dew]

Ehh

He doesn't. Love it.

[strange plinth]

i don't think the triad's infestation progressing is ever brought up
so who knows w/ them

[fast dew]

Its probably the same deal, and iirc they were offered the helminth bcs Roathe is Roathe and would probably hurt them

[median elbow]

It's literally said in the sacrifice, tenno are capable of controlling Warframes by calming them and bringing them peace

[fast dew]

What

Im saying Albrecht doesn't love experimenting on sapient things

[median elbow]

The sacrifice last cutscene

[median elbow]

Oh I thought you were taking about umbra my bad

[fast dew]

He infact, does not like it, and actively finds it disgusting that he has to do it

[median elbow]

I mean he did make the cavia and just left them alone with his butler

Love it or not he does it pretty often

[fast dew]

And after the cavia he so coincidentally finds himself in the void once more, after saying. "I must atone for what I had done through my own blood." So. High chance he tried to off himself after that too

[fast dew]

Said. Said butler provided the cavia for him. Which he put into cryo after their incident

Its karma atp

[strange plinth]

his notes on the cavia are filled with 'man that sucked i wish i didn't do that'

[fast dew]

He has similar feelings on the hex. Regretting that he has no comforting words besides. "This is what must be done"

[pale cedar]

This is why people should have collected the books

[fast dew]

Comes from the nature of. Being smothered under updates

[twin wigeon]

Books?

Oh the whispers?

[fast dew]

Mhm. A lot of context is lost without them

[twin wigeon]

Not context but the lore in its entirety

Lots of details recorded in those evil pages

[fast dew]

It does change perspective on Albrecht's character, but you genuinely need to read them before the hex

The game and how it works ruins the intended interpretation of some things

Which Marie exists to rectify but some people genuinely cannot comprehend Albrecht can do nice things

[twin wigeon]

Honestly I agree, the game needs more restrictions or gates to let the game be enjoyed piece by piece rather than be given plainly

Like if you haven’t read his notes, Albrecht is still a mysterious person that we’re just chasing around and is mentioned here and there

[fast dew]

Albrecht's the guy who shot a dude you liked. You miss all the nuance he has

[twin wigeon]

And a lot of people just hate him for all that he did

[fast dew]

He hates himself for what he did

But to some, that's just self pity and not genuine regret

[twin wigeon]

But there’s nothing that outward states what it is that he did

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, that too

[twin wigeon]

You would need to explore, or in this case murder some books

[fast dew]

I only did the books cus the. The urges

Strong intrigue to Albrecht's character for. A long ass time

Even then, i read those damned books on the wiki

[twin wigeon]

I did the books bc 1. I love tagfer, 2. I love albrecht’s voice, and 3 wanted more arcanes

Alb is a very grey person, literally and figuratively

[fast dew]

His voice is very calming

Probably. Probably cus his VA does audio books.

[twin wigeon]

Alb is such a thought provoking person, perfect for starting a rabbit hole into his crimes

[twin wigeon]

Hold the phone

What

[fast dew]

I. Do not suggest looking at them

[twin wigeon]

Why not

[fast dew]

A lot aren't safe for work 😭

Its really funny though

Lotta gay shit

[dark compass]

Typecasting

Smh

[twin wigeon]

Where does Rebb find these people????

[fast dew]

Loid's VA does the same

I need them to collab

[twin wigeon]

Honestly that tracks

[dark compass]

"your favorite videogame characters"
"Readers of your favorite audiobook genres"

Seems fair to me

This is why Neil Newbon was here twice

[twin wigeon]

Again. How does she know these ppl on the top of her dome???

Like hmmmmmm I need a soothing old voice hmmmmmm time to contact a child unfriendly audio book narrator

[fast dew]

Idk she might like. Yaoi

[fast dew]

Twice. TWICE.

[twin wigeon]

That…. Tracks

[fast dew]

And the funniest thing is

Thats just Stefan's voice

He just sounds like Albrecht

So its incredibly funny

[twin wigeon]

Hahaha

Where does Eleanor’s VA come from again?

[fast dew]

BG3

[twin wigeon]

Ah

[fast dew]

Shes the narrator

Rebb when it comes to finding narrators

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

I love being the one to inform folk that Albrecht's va voices in queer romance audiobooks

[twin wigeon]

Isn’t Roathe’s VA the same guy that voices that uhhh emo angel guy from kingdom hearts

[fast dew]

Mhm. Wasn't it. Uh. Final fantasy?

[twin wigeon]

I’m like severely blanking on the name

[fast dew]

It starts with E i think

[strange plinth]

emet selch iirc

[twin wigeon]

No no it was seph something

[fast dew]

THATS IT

Or. Maybe a different spelling but

[twin wigeon]

Wow

[fast dew]

Thats where people know him from

[strange plinth]

you're thinking of sephiroth i think

[twin wigeon]

Yes!

[fast dew]

Is that also a guy he voiced

[twin wigeon]

Pretty sure

[fast dew]

Two different characters that. From memory fit the same stereotype

[twin wigeon]

Is rebb perhaps the owner of a tavern or something in which she finds these peculiar VAs from

[fast dew]

She honestly might be

Ballas' va did a car ad once

[twin wigeon]

WHAT

[fast dew]

And. Once again, that's funny as shit

The VAs do so many things before warframe

[twin wigeon]

[fast dew]

And its funny to look back and go

"I could've heard Ballas' voice on the tv"

[twin wigeon]

Ok now the most serious question

Who voices Kalymos?

Does DE have a office cat

[fast dew]

Oh word Ballas' va did Dr Glenn Pierce from superliminal

[twin wigeon]

What

Okokokok I gotta leave before I start going down the VA rabbit hole

[fast dew]

The doctor fella from superliminal, he did that

Yeah lets get back onto lore lmao

[twin wigeon]

I can only imagine rebb just spectating this

[fast dew]

Erm achtually he's green 🤓 ☝️

[twin wigeon]

He’s greying

[fast dew]

He is

He was greying in his portrait too, iirc

[twin wigeon]

Someone gotta pop some of that funny gambling liquid

[fast dew]

Mm gambling

[twin wigeon]

Mmmm gambling

[fast dew]

It is a lot darker but its greying i think

[lean garden]

The whole VA industry is funny especially if the VAs are also just professional actors too

Like ok Zavala tell me more about how youre going to shit in someones house

[fast dew]

Honestly its so real

[lean garden]

Or ok Zavala (2) welcome me to hell

[radiant pier]

oh so it still progresses? just slowly?

I thought they'd just be half and half

[fast dew]

Just very slow. The temple we use is the result

[radiant pier]

imagined they keep them in storage for thousands of years just dormant

who's temple

[fast dew]

And. It. Took thousands of years if Flare is any example

[radiant pier]

I've only done part 1 of the hex btw

what's that

[fast dew]

Flare, one of the protos, they become temple

[radiant pier]

no idea which one that is but I'll ignore it and forget to avoid spoilers

this is how I avoid spoilers

I'm simply too forgetful

[fast dew]

Dw its not really spoiler-y

[dark compass]

I love how FromSofrware does it

(the people who made dark souls and stuff)

[radiant pier]

what's not spoiler-y?

[dark compass]

They just have a theater scene they constantly hire from

[lean garden]

Joel shouldn't have met the roundtable yet since hes just finished the Hex/Old Peace, meaning they aint R4/5 Hex

[fast dew]

Who Flare is, its not really spoilers. Doesnt. Pertain to the story much. Or the lore

[dark compass]

So 80% of the voice actors from Souls games are found in random british tv shows or in theater

[radiant pier]

it's still spoilers if it reveals anything, doesn't have to be an overarching thing

you're lucky I'm too big a moron to notice or remember

[dark compass]

And one of them is a sports commentator...

[radiant pier]

I just got access to archon mods!

[fast dew]

This is. Incredibly funny

[dark compass]

And it has to be the most recognizable character in the franchise as well

Patches

[radiant pier]

PATCHES??

[uneven dune]

what exactly the infested called

[ashen pulsar]

the infested

[fast dew]

Infestation. Techrot, Mire strain, Grey strain, Helminth strain, Lizzie. Hm. Other strains or names

[ashen pulsar]

theres not gonna be a whole "story" aspect, one day they arent there, the next they are

[radiant pier]

Lizzie?

[strange plinth]

another thing for later

[ashen pulsar]

oh that one's kinda a spoiler

[uneven dune]

I mean what makes them infested

T virus?

[fast dew]

Spores, injections

[ashen pulsar]

the infestation

[strange plinth]

no, its. just the infestation
technically it's "technocyte" but whatever. infestation. same thing
spreads differently depending on strain
helminth mostly does so through injections, others through spores

[fast dew]

Its. Not always explained, but most seem to be airborne

[lean garden]

and some of the 20% is their first role

CURSE YOU BAYLE

[fast dew]

[radiant pier]

wouldn't be surprised if one of the VAs have done car ads

[fast dew]

... well.

[radiant pier]

lemme guess

Father?

Loid?

no don't tell me, Ballas?

[fast dew]

-# ... yeah

[radiant pier]

that's fair, he's got the voice, I'm pretty sure I've heard of him before

ohmygod another Nora Night dialogue yes please

[coral rover]

how deep is the spoon

[fast dew]

Mm, have you managed to see her in the nihil fight yet?

[radiant pier]

who

[fast dew]

Wonder when the key to nihil's fight will be back in the store

[radiant pier]

what?

[coral rover]

nvm

[radiant pier]

?

[fast dew]

Secret boss, you buy the toob nihil is in, then the key to his fight from the nightwave shop

You get a unique weapon if you win

Vitrica..........

[radiant pier]

is it....cool?

[fast dew]

The vitrica is cool but it kinda sucks

[radiant pier]

aw

[fast dew]

Go my Nihil

[strange plinth]

not really a spoiler because he's barely still in the game
nihil, the glassmaker, orokin executioner
guy responsible for cephalons
went on a spree of cephalizing people as the third(?) nightwave season

[fast dew]

Mhm. 3rd. And last time we got story for it

[ashen pulsar]

me when I glass u

[fast dew]

He is pretty

[ashen pulsar]

if he were less orokin I could see it

[fast dew]

I really like his skintone

I like how its pink in some places

His nose, ears, lips kinda

Places where they would be

He. He also looks more Orokin than Roathe somehow

[ashen pulsar]

the eyes for one

he's also done his skin mods so that he looks pale, cold, unreachable

to me I think thats more orokin than deep blue or whatever modern ballas had

[fast dew]

I fw it heavy

[heady quest]

Release the nihil from his eternal torture in this guys files

[fast dew]

No actually thats more Albrecht. I hate drawing Nihil lmao

Albrecht is a lot easier to draw than Nihil

Partially cus Albrecht doesn't have glass all over himself

[heady quest]

He should meet Gara… let’s glass him

[radiant pier]

orokin skincare made from the tears of tortured souls

[fast dew]

Funny you say that

[fast dew]

Baby oil but made from literal babies

[heady quest]

L’eau de Kuva

[strange plinth]

nihil's the reason gara has glass powers
because ballas decided to spite him

[dark compass]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Nihil wanted to glass her 💀

[dark compass]

He's voiced by Will Vanders, who is a sports commentator

[heady quest]

Ballas?

[fast dew]

He would've been successful if execution doesn't require all of the 7's approval

[dark compass]

He's also a massive weeb, which is most likely why he's got a role in every single souls game

[heady quest]

Oh nihil

[dark compass]

https://youtu.be/DO7gT-xIcyU

Random YT pull. You can recognize the voice

[fast dew]

Oh yay big men hitting each other

[heady quest]

Yippie

[dusty dragon]

So was nihil the only glassmaker?

[fast dew]

As far as we know, yeah

He is the Glassmaker

[opaque zenith]

The only with the title (that is know of), but glassing was a replicable tech

[dusty dragon]

How come he was still alive until I jarred him?

I can't replay the night wave sequence to learn again.

[opaque zenith]

Glassed itself

[fast dew]

He glassed himself to preserve himself

[opaque zenith]

To not be saying the same thing, I'll add on that after glassing, he hiden his body in infestation and planed to mass-glass everyone that "didn't follow their culture code manners" (even when himself was being a criminal in his own culture for that)

[fast dew]

It was kinda funny to see him realise that, though im unsure of how. Sane he is

[radiant pier]

wait cephalization was a punishment?

[strange plinth]

mhm

[radiant pier]

WAIT

[fast dew]

A very extreme, very taboo punishment, even for the orokin

[strange plinth]

worse than the jade light

[opaque zenith]

Mostly yes. Some rare time it was for preservation of someone's knowledge, tho (Suda)

[fast dew]

Some very rare times, yes. Maybe necraloid but I am still on the fence with that

[strange plinth]

mm, yea
it was primarily a punishment but could also be a willing and painless process

[fast dew]

Which even then, the orokin didn't like. Clones are bad

[opaque zenith]

Very, veeeery rare times, no one liked having their memories tampered tbf

[radiant pier]

SO THIS DUDE THAT WANTS THE SCANS

[fast dew]

Yeah

[radiant pier]

HE'S LEGIT AN INSANE PERSON?

[strange plinth]

mm, maybe
we don't know much about simaris outside of his current form

[fast dew]

He was, yeah.

[opaque zenith]

An... agressive archivist

[radiant pier]

or is he part of the aforementioned volunteer

[fast dew]

Wonder if the entrati would like him

[smoky gulch]

Not so much insane as an utter sadist

[fast dew]

Speaking of archivists

[still frigate]

cephalization doesn't require glassing though right? Or is it part of the process

[radiant pier]

wouldn't be out of character for him to volunteer

[strange plinth]

the only thing that might pertain to him pre-cephalization is suda calling him "irmis" during octavia's anthem

[strange plinth]

afaik its part of the process

[opaque zenith]

cephalization is glassing

[fast dew]

Part of the process. You can get glassed and not become a cephalon, but you cannot become a cephalon without glassing

[still frigate]

that would explain a necraloid's ability to exist whilst the human is still alive

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[still frigate]

ah okay thank you

[fast dew]

Mother uses a seperate term, though she still expects him to be dead

[smoky gulch]

"Is experiment torture? Lab rats also feel pain, yet their suffering creates knowledge. If the lessons learned today save lives in the future, then the ends justify my means." Simaris is sadistic and will easily come up with excuses why it is okay

[opaque zenith]

That's better worded, ignore my misinfo

[smoky gulch]

"Hunter, do you think me a sadist? That I enjoy this suffering? Irrelevant! Focus on your task." And he knows it all too well

[strange plinth]

hit us with the 'don't question me get back to work'

[smoky gulch]

"Feel it now? That stress. You're generating useful data, Hunter." Yeah, I don't know if Cephalons are capable of "needs", but Simaris really enjoys the process

[fast dew]

||"I thought he was dead, necralized, but all this time he's been there under my feet!"||

She expects him to be dead from the necralization, so im unsure if that's the answer either

[smoky gulch]

"A fever pitch! You create fascinating readings, Hunter. Do not stop now." So yeah, Simaris is a freak

[strange plinth]

hm, reminds me of glados

[fast dew]

Ever played portal 2? You know the reward system

OH MY GOD GREY IM GONNA GET YOU.

[strange plinth]

lmao

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, this really feels like it

[fast dew]

Tldr theres a reward system the glados frame has

I suspect its a similar sort of deal

[smoky gulch]

"Ease your mind, Hunter. There's no conclusive evidence these data-immortals possess memory persistence. They should retain no recollection of what you've done to them." Guy has ways to test memory persistence at any moment, but actively chooses not to

[fast dew]

We see it with Wheatly, he.

Has. A reaction to it

[still frigate]

I think necralization could be form of cephalization developed by the Entrati. The necraloid uses a replica of Loid's skull in the construct but it's so little info. Idk why a cephalon would require a skull

[fast dew]

Loid, being the only one who would truly know, never calls him a cephalon iirc

[strange plinth]

same reason the necramechs use one, potentially
though they're not required, it seems(?)

[fast dew]

Just. A construct.

[smoky gulch]

I think Entrati really liked the skull aesthetic, so they kept it

[radiant pier]

does anyone have that one gif of that gambling anime girl grabbing her breast with the most pleasure-filled expression? does anyone know an artist that can draw that as simaris LMFAO

[fast dew]

They did, on both sides of the family

Given the necramechs come from Father

[fast dew]

This . Is a wording choice. I. Think I might have it

[radiant pier]

"hunter I am totally not a sadist, now keep killing I'm almost finished"

[fast dew]

Ykw ima just draw it to claim the glory

[opaque zenith]

Hate that I know what you're talking about (kakegurui) but I don't have the gif tho

[radiant pier]

Cephalon Simaris when Sanctuary Onslaught(he is not a sadist):

[jolly root]

🤣

[radiant pier]

LMAO PLS SEND IT WHEN YOU DO THAT'D BE AMAZING

[edgy compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-shadow-stalker-new-war-hunhow-gif-27625690

[jolly root]

The stalker stare of judgement

[ocean geyser]

Ahhh Kakegurui
Weird as hell

[smoky gulch]

How many people live in Origin System? 10^7? 10^8?

Tenno as military personnel usually deal with other militaries, but that has to be a minor fraction of people involved in food, maintenance, production and building

[fast dew]

There is. A huge amount, and i dont think any of us will be able to give a good estimate 😭

[smoky gulch]

Not to mention all kinds of civilians

[opaque zenith]

Thaty will take a while but I'll try giving some metric

[dire mountain]

We don't have any estimates. Any civilian populations the Tenno find themselves near are a very calculated risk. Their presence alone draws too much unwanted attention

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, DE is being smart not even trying to provide estimates on scale

Coz whole origin system? That's insane amount of living space, especially when you watch scale of ships like Zariman which are space habitats by themselves

And that's only # of humans, when you involve Sentients as people in Tau? The numbers will go wild

[fast dew]

The number is incomprehensible. We can't even base it off current human expansion, given how the grineer are made so rapidly

[smoky gulch]

Which is why I imagine lore crafters at DE are afraid of even dropping a 10^n value

[pale cedar]

At least 1

[opaque zenith]

So, Mercury was a colony (grineer took the place), Vênus has fortuna, Earth have population hidding from grinner setlement, Mars same as Mercury, Phobos is only ships, Deimos is Deimos, Ceres is a shipyard word, Júpiter is a factory word, Europa had some civilization (Karishh and Grendel lore) but is more ship cemetery world now, Saturn have only ships, Uranus is a clone lab world, Neptune is a factory world, Pluto's (possible) is the corposium place, Sedna is a ship factory with some minig asteroids, Eris is overrun, Void have the Towers, Lua have cities but is moon sized, Kuva fortress is na asteroid fortress, Zariman is a moon sized ship (imo). Vênus, saturn, Netpune and Pluto Have space-factories, everywhere was getting too much full. And there's Tau

I give up

[tall echo]

the tenno aren't military personnel

[fast dew]

They functionally are

Tenno being the set of soldiers

[opaque zenith]

Technicaly they were part of a military before before (as guard, special soldier, miracle, etc), but now is more of a "good mercenary faction" now

The thing is that the tenno don't fill up a colony ship, so we're always outnumbered (not that it is a problem but still)

[main arch]

Yaoi AND Yuri.

She is unapologetic and that is why she's the creative director

[radiant pier]

MIXMASTER WHO?

I'M BACK IN 1999 WITH AN ATLAS THAT DOES MILLIONS

[tall echo]

You say that like it's hard to achieve that with atlas

[radiant pier]

no I say it as someone who never did millions before outside of Valkyr's talons

[dark compass]

Yes, hard as a rock

[radiant pier]

my pink atlas on a bike

why is Lettie so sassy

and why do I like it

oh god wait

oh no

[opaque zenith]

Oh, doing whispers? Go heX-force! Be ready for hell yeah moments

[radiant pier]

no I'm already doing their bounties

just needed a much needed power up

[opaque zenith]

In this case I can edit the joke to be more obvious

[radiant pier]

I'm quite stupid sorry

[opaque zenith]

It's fine
Not the type to explain jokes tho, so let's just move on

[thick pebble]

can someone explain to me why entrati went back to 1999, and how the explosion fits into this

[fast dew]

I have been summoned

Okay so we arent sure why Albrecht chose 1999, but we know why he stayed. He made himself into bait for the indifference, to keep him away from his lover, Loid, and his family.

[strange plinth]

there's something about 1999, "the plague year," that needed to be changed so that we could continue combatting the man in the wall
the explosion was likely powering the time loop before we arrived, and potentially was used for albrecht's escape from the loop after we get there

[strange turtle]

Definitely was*

[strange plinth]

i say potentially because it isn't confirmed tmk
but it seems like the most likely thing. idk how else he got out of there

[strange turtle]

Albrecht Entrati: "Our only means of escape… our only hope to contain this horror I have created… will require a spark of energy rare in this timeline. You know what this means."

Albrecht Entrati: "Do not allow Arthur and the Hex to stop this. I realise what I am asking… but you of all people understand what is at stake. For the sake of everything before and to come… at midnight tonight… the 'bomb' must go off."

[fast dew]

For some reason, maybe the lack of void tech, 1999 was almost completely safe from the indifference, I believe the only leak being Albrecht himself
-# and probably his idiot choice to make void tech in 1999

[strange plinth]

mm, right

[fast dew]

Counter argument, the loop still functions without the bomb, so does. Drifter's presence allow the loop to function? If so, why would the nuke still need to go off while we were there?

[strange turtle]

It’s not saying the bomb was needed for the loop change, just for the escape

[fast dew]

Oh dawg I misread

Im. Im tired 😭

[tall echo]

L

[radiant pier]

why are you the way that you are

I'm just tryna have fun here

[pale cedar]

And Rusalka

Good old breach

We also helped Wally

[tall echo]

Because I AM

[fast dew]

Gotta love that we did that

Screw you Roach

[pale cedar]

Scrap keep being the way that you are or I'll nuke the entire Origin System and Tau to destroy your servers

[quaint cargo]

that's metal health problem...😑

[ocean geyser]

What can one take to improve the health of their metal

[abstract ridge]

When we gonna fight the termite in the wall

[ashen pulsar]

I think we are the termite

[abstract ridge]

True

We need to eat the wall

This is how we beat him

[strange turtle]

Iron pills

[cunning ore]

Throw them into the Void or Orokin Era

[twin wigeon]

Throw them into the void

[sudden shard]

who is kermerros
and also what segement is he talking abt

[twin wigeon]

Son

[sudden shard]

o yea it is son

[twin wigeon]

He got the Archon Shard Segment for you to put shards on frames i thinks

[ocean geyser]

Can be updated with Petros for Father too

[pale cedar]

Son is how you get the base Helminth iirc

[woven coyote]

Mother's mother was also mentioned iirc

[ocean geyser]

How far are you in Entrati Rank?

[strange turtle]

Yeah

Geriatric Vivianné

[sudden shard]

enough for helminth segment

[ocean geyser]

Ah okay then yeah

Kermerros is Son

[cunning ore]

@neat cloud so Nihil not one of the Executors, by how you pointed out as you even have to use The WIKI and claimed it wrong. I doubt you can prove your point.

Based on the Wiki you claimed as failed, please do point out which part you surely that Nihil is an Executor indeed of an Executioner?

We both used the same resource, as the last you tell me to read, But i need is a simple point out, if you can, and mind you. I would love to rearrange my known-informations.

[strange plinth]

mm, the one KIM message that called Nihil an Executor was changed, anyway. he's just The Glassmaker in that message now

[cunning ore]

Of The Devil Triad?

[strange plinth]

it was a chat w/ amir
before old peace, it called nihil an executor. after, it does not

[old wharf]

Um, does anyone know who trace is?

[cunning ore]

Sometimes i mistook them, like the words was so close that it did mess up my mind. The last time i had a conversation with my big bro, who is LR5, also interested in lores, he did teased me for mistaking Nihil as executor

[strange plinth]

Zeke is the one you have, the other words are just random

[old wharf]

Zekeright the third?

?

[strange plinth]

the one in the center is the active one, if that's what you mean

[old wharf]

Maybe Ballas was right

[cunning ore]

can you detailed your question?

[pale cedar]

IMDB ran into the same issue

[cunning ore]

Well, they changed much, so what i hope if i digged to those old days of WF, there might be something like be mentioned in Hotfix or Patches.

Max Howarth, i really like his voice for Ballas

[neat cloud]

sorry, late to this

I stand corrected, DE retconned it

Seems they wanted to change the heirarchy with the introduction of Tau and our first look at the actual empire

[cunning ore]

I see so it could be possible a mispell or it from before they noted and have to reconnect to their history.

[neat cloud]

also I’m having a stroke reading whatever you said, theres a huge language barrier here 😭

it was very much retconned

[pale cedar]

Ballas was never called an executioner it was just whoever typed it having the struggle of reading

[neat cloud]

the original premise was that he was an executor that broke his own rules

[cunning ore]

Bro, of course, Ballas is an Executor

I said Nihil not Ballas

I mean that what i said is, Nihil is not an Executor but an Executioner

[cunning ore]

yea, i know that 🙁

[pale cedar]

Nihil is one of 2 retcons in the game

[cunning ore]

Strange, now it make me feel odd. Like that information was before The OP update or after the first 41?

[neat cloud]

It was changed AFTER the old peace’s release

Up until a few months ago he was one of the Seven.

[cunning ore]

Sadly that i dont notice at him much to see if they changed the Wiki or DE really checked their information through the Wiki or not.

[pale cedar]

They don't manage the wiki at all just had it set up

[cunning ore]

Current beside the Wiki, nothing is trustable for me. The first is fragment, the second is Wiki

The Third is gameplay

So many things that make me doubt, feeling unsettling when it cannot be the foundation for other datas anymore

[fast dew]

Eh. There's the transcripts of the quests

[pale cedar]

Wiki is fine for everything except lore

[woven coyote]

The thing about the wiki is never read the articles

Quotes and transcripts are fine but the articles usually aren't

[cunning ore]

So i have to replay the Nightwave 3 again?

Alright, since i also curious about Arlo too

[fast dew]

Nah, you don't need to. Doesn't explain much about Nihil's rank.

You can know that he's not a member of the 7, because we know the members of the 7

[cunning ore]

yea, through the update

But i think i will return to it since i have to double-check if they do fix everything

My big bro once tell me that Corpus used to be an alien-force

[woven coyote]

Yeahhhh now that was completely wrong no matter when we talk about

Warframe even early in development was no aliens

[cunning ore]

Wow-

So by how my big bro retold me, it from when there a The War Within

Things just changed from that

[woven coyote]

Nah even before that, corpus were never alien

First confirmed alien ever in the game were the flowers in the old peace

[strange turtle]

Actually that was most likely a mistake from the writer they hired for KIM, Kat Kinglsey

He doesn’t get called or indicated as one until the now edited KIM chat, and when they put the Seven List on stream there were multiple new introductions who were just filler - not actually relevant and just unimportant fluff

[ashen pulsar]

nope

[strange turtle]

So there wasn’t really a reason for him to be retconned out of the role, since either of their mentions could have been done with him without issue.

[cunning ore]

Wait so when? i really love to learn about how it happened

[strange turtle]

it didn’t

[woven coyote]

Gotta clarify if we are talking about nihil or the alien corpus thing

[neat cloud]

Whether he should have been referred as one or not, he still was. This makes it a retcon

also nobu 😰

[cunning ore]

• Nihil is an Executioner -> Done
• Was Corpus used to be an alien-force? No, because there nothing like alien existed from the start (?)
• When did Warframe changed into its current story-dirrection? I still dont have an answer.

There two questions left to me. About Nihil, i will go check back at Nora's Nightwave Vol3, to collect and double-check about the error.

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/washija-gif-19969801

[neat cloud]

Dont tell anybody, but I have nobuzerker grailed to 100 😰

(Actually grailed to 102)

[woven coyote]

Technically they started setting up the story with stolen dreams> the new strange>natah
And then finally the new direction was cemented with second dream

[neat cloud]

The War Within, the following quest, is where they started to shape and define the orokin empire and the starchart’s history to some degree

[strange turtle]

I would have her maxed and grailed, but unfortunately

[woven coyote]

The arcane machine used in stolen dreams and the new strange sets up natah which sets up second dream

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/yamato-takeru-takeru-yamato-samurai-remnant-saber-samurai-remnant-fate-samurai-remnant-gif-8626992494067446601

[neat cloud]

i pushed my motivations aside for…

[cunning ore]

I see, thank you for that, anyone, along that trail, is there anything change in those cutscene? My big bro once said that, in The War Within when drinking the Kuva, Operator used to keep the black eyes

[woven coyote]

Man in the wall speaks to you regardless of what you do with the kuva

And no the change was always just for that one scene

Your brother probably tbought the man in the wall appearing around your orbiter was the operator

And being the man in the wall he would have different eyes

[cunning ore]

He said that of when at the peak of the mountain with Tenshin, and something like the Operator of that time after drinking Kuva have blacked eyes and can cutomized it

I think i will go find more about it, but thank you for the answer

[real tartan]

Do we know who the first ever warframe was?

[woven coyote]

Black eyes were never a customization

Some devs were even talking about how it would be cool to finally add it recently

[woven coyote]

Excalibur iirc

[cunning ore]

I think he mean the person

[strange turtle]

Wait the just the black eyes or sclera in general?

[cunning ore]

Now this really messing my mind. Prime, Protoframe and The normal frame, who in which?

[real tartan]

Thats what I thought but I wasn’t completely sure google gave me different answers

[woven coyote]

Proto was last because the normal and primes had to exist first for albrecht to grab the injections of them

Also prime and normals dont have a fixed "one came first" thing

Warframes could be created prime first or normal first

[normal mountain]

Protoframes were never the first
Except for Flare/Temple, due to Ballas never actually making the frame itself

[woven coyote]

Sclera iirc

But in general there was never a wally black eyes customization like their brother seems to think

[pale cedar]

Technically, Vessels were last

[woven coyote]

Vessels arent warframes tho

[pale cedar]

They're Giant Warframes hence technically

[cunning ore]

I can't really make a timestamp on them for some questions in my mind. Since there an Eternalism with Time theory of Past and Present are what real, like the Proframe in a time-loop, it said it was a past, but if it was the everyone's past or only Albretch's past?

[strange turtle]

@cunning ore have you watched the Yareli Prime trailer

[cunning ore]

I'm not good at English, so those question why hard to ask. It like what past is that Albretch's traveled back when there Eternalism?

[cunning ore]

No, i skipped it for the ummm

😭

[woven coyote]

Forget eternalism it almost never gets used in the story (basically because it cant be used)

1999 is actual past after some modifications because of the loop

It was always the plague year by the way

[cunning ore]

Okay imma go listen to Yareli Prime Song

[strange turtle]

https://youtu.be/XYy2XPR-cIo

[cunning ore]

Currently, it could explain why we all are the main of a story with many events of Margulis, Ballas, Reil, Kuva Queens things, so isn't it can be one of the Eternalism theory?

[pale cedar]

DE are the company that when you think you've seen the worst of Ballas you haven't

[cunning ore]

Okay, i will go watch it now 😂

[strange turtle]

Nothing to do with Eternalism, and the timelines aren’t linked to individuals, that was just the example used

[woven coyote]

No, forget eternalism

Anyone who claims everything warframe is eternalismt just doesnt understand it

[cunning ore]

That could also explain how we can be on Fortuna but with diffrent ranks of Solaris.

[pale cedar]

Drifter is Eternalism

[ashen pulsar]

the eternalism is a lie the eternalism is a lie the eternalism is a lie

[strange turtle]

It’s about possibility. If something can happen, it does. The easiest example of that is somebody making a choice

[cunning ore]

Why Yareli music make me want to continue the Eternlism thing?

[strange turtle]

No, it’s just Drifter/Operator and Zariman

[pale cedar]

Seriously though CE is what DE prefer using to explain things

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-flanders-ned-flanders-simpsons-homer-gif-9192600785761579255

[woven coyote]

ABCEDE

[cunning ore]

Then it still strange somehow, like there why The Main Quest can only play solo but not multiplayer? But we can still play multiplayer through other nodes of planets?

Like there once a person as so i think of Enternalism like that

[ashen pulsar]

your character is the chosen tenno

[cunning ore]

Then we in a squad with 4 chosen tennos

[ashen pulsar]

no

[woven coyote]

Gameplay isnt always lore accurate that's why

[pale cedar]

Simple

Multiple Tenno children require more work

[ashen pulsar]

gameplay wise those are just other tenno with no significance towards lore

[pale cedar]

It's not strange when you consider how hard it would be to consistently show loads of Tenno with unique voices or even the same voice being weird

[cunning ore]

Hmm, i still wonder a lot like standings, and scene of worlds changing follwowing by progress of main quest of the chose tenno does, but never mind then

I think im just too sensitive with the surroundings tho

Thank everyone for having clarified me some informations.

[dire mountain]

Combat evolved... xata...

[humble sierra]

The quests still happen, they still have an impact in the universe, it's just that you're the only one doing them

[cunning ore]

Yea, i just ponder when people ask for main quests to be multiplayer. My theorycraft is that we are all different manifestations of the same 'Chosen Tenno'. Since we are all Void-touched, we’re essentially seeing versions of ourselves from alternate timelines in the Relays—each with different choices, syndicates, and appearances due to Eternalism

But it seem Eternalism considered as a lie, so i put it aside

[fresh rover]

So Nidus is the "Infestation Warframe" right? I know all Warframes are in some way related, but he literally produces infestation, he mutates, and like a Brood Mother, he creates Maggots.

So what's his deal? Why is he like this? Would Nidus actually be a Hivemind, ergo refer to himself as "We?" What is his lore?

[fast dew]

You do bring up a valid point. Nidus would be in a hivemind and we would be the correct pronouns to refer to Nidus

But. Its not

[strange turtle]

You’ve pretty much got it. He’s the Infestation frame. He makes and controls more Infestation, as opposed to the other Warframe’s who are “dormant”

[tall echo]

nidus isn't sentient enough for the whole "we" thing, and infestation seems to use singular anyways

"why do you reject my beauty" and so on

[strange turtle]

He’s like that because they made him that way, and his lore is that the Myconia, the people from Glast Gambit, had him

[cunning ore]

Arlo and Zealoid might have clues?

I just remember that there used a Nightwave story of Sedna things and infestation

[fast dew]

I wouldn't think so, The Emissary as a whole was pretty isolated in the story

Nightwave stories tend to be like that

[cunning ore]

It sticked to the faction and since there so many things, i often gathered them all and not check fully

[fresh rover]

Would he be technically sentient, in a way? Given he's Hivemind, that must mean he at least has a collective sentience. Unless, he's not Hivemind.

[strange turtle]

he isn’t

[fast dew]

Closest thing id say he'd be like is Lizzie, and that would be the maggots, not himself

[strange turtle]

He makes other Infested, but no reference is made to the idea of the hivemind stuff, and they’re not exactly intelligent or long-lasting growths anyway

[fresh rover]

Is Lizzie from 1999? And explain what you mean.

[humble sierra]

Yes, if you haven't reached 1999 just keep playing

She gives more information on the infestation

[fresh rover]

Okay okay fair. I was merely speculating based off of what I've seen from the infested techrot, and their seeming psychic connection to the tongue lady

[fresh rover]

I have I'm just bad at keeping up with the lore the way Warframe gives it. Everything I understand has came from others, I can't stay at Warframe's pace.

[strange turtle]

It is psychic yeah, she’s the Nyx (psychic frame) Proto

But that’s more just a thing she did by taking advantage of the Legacyte rather than a typical example of anything

[fresh rover]

Right okay.
So all Warframes were original at some point, and we know that we're only creating basic copies.

Does that mean all of the originals are dead, or destroyed?

[tall echo]

most

[fresh rover]

Lore-Wise, are our copies able to match the full power of the original Warframes?

[fast dew]

Yeah

[pearl vale]

aren’t the basic (non prime) warframes described as training dummies compared to the primes

[fast dew]

Ill say that the stories in the levarian shouldn't be taken as absolute truths and like many stories that are in a museum, might be embellished

[fresh rover]

Are our primes not also copies? Or are those meant to represent the originals in totality?

[tall echo]

copies

we don't own any originals

[fast dew]

Drusus is cool, but he does fail to separate the warframe from the actual tenno inside, according to Loid

[tall echo]

barely see them too, closest being kullervo and maybe oraxia

[strange turtle]

Primes aren’t the originals, and basics are “adequate, I guess. If you're satisfied with merely adequate."

So not that extreme, but still a significant difference

[pearl vale]

is there a reason why we keep… defaulting to the excalibur warframe? was that our starting warframe at the very beginning or was that volt? i can’t remember

[strange turtle]

There was a choice of three

[fresh rover]

Excalibur was the first I believe, I remember playing it and Volt not being a choice

[strange turtle]

Excal, Volt, Mag

[fast dew]

Eh? No. Regular warframes were used as everyday things. Warframes as a whole were super elite soldiers, but most used regular ones. You were either a prime from the start, or you became a prime.

[tall echo]

oh you're ancient

volt replaced loki

[fresh rover]

It only came out like 13 years ago

[fast dew]

Jade and Stalker are originals, but not the jade that we would own

[fast dew]

Which is an insane amount of time for a game to be released and still be getting new content

[fresh rover]

I agree for sure.

[fresh rover]

I didn't know Loki was ever a starter option

[strange turtle]

Excal’s just the mascot

[fast dew]

• your warframes are usually using the skeleton made for Excalibur

[pearl vale]

would arthur be considered the original? or was that just. familiar for the sake of it

[fast dew]

-# this is a joke

[fast dew]

Oh, no. He died way before he would ever become a full warframe

[strange turtle]

Protos aren’t the originals

[pearl vale]

so just familiar for the sake of it

[fast dew]

All the protos, with the exception of Flare would

[pearl vale]

(i started like a month ago and all the latest lore after new war is low key lost on me)

[fresh rover]

I thought Protos were partially a different universe altogether, not just the past versions.

Mainly bc, what the heck is going on.

[fast dew]

I mean. He is partially an Excalibur warframe, so he could. But the 18 radiation wars would probably mess him up

[strange turtle]

The Warframes get created in the future, then Albrecht brings the strains back to 1999

[fast dew]

Nah, real past of the current timeline, just contained by Albrecht's loop

[fresh rover]

I don't like 1999 anymore.

[fast dew]

What why lmao

The shit that happens in 1999 is pretty contained and doesnt really leak out unless its. Flare and Kaya

[fresh rover]

I just don't really like 1999 in general it's cool but maybe I just need more time with em

[fast dew]

Fair. If you don't like the 1999 protos, you'd probably not like the devil's triad

Good god they suck.

[jolly root]

Hence batch

[vale wind]

Yep, from Grandmother on rotation

[fast dew]

Grandmother...

[idle hull]

is umbra not an original? Well I guess we craft him so ig not

But what about the umbra that got explodeded

[strange plinth]

the umbra that got exploded was the original umbra

[fast dew]

Yuppers

We generally don't see originals any more

[restive river]

Oraxia?

[fast dew]

Generally as in there's exceptions 😭

[restive river]

Flare as Temple technically

We don’t know if the Uriel in the quest was the original

And we never see Nokko just hear about him and get his blueprint

[fast dew]

Jade and stalker

[restive river]

Follie may be original too

[fast dew]

Mm, she has this. skin? She has gold on her in the new promotional material hold on.

[restive river]

What

We don’t really know anything about her lore-wise

Or even if the one chasing us is there original
I said she may be but
🤷‍♀️

[fast dew]

Nah i was just reminded of this, tmk she didnt look like this during customisation on devstream [specifically the white. Detailing on her thighs, I don't think that was there]

[twin wigeon]

Sevagoth

in a sense ig

i mean he is dead but that is sevy and his shadow from the old war

[ashen pulsar]

kullervo?

[twin wigeon]

ehhhhh

more like CE's of his guilt perhaps?

creating the clones we defeat?

[midnight ice]

harrow?

[twin wigeon]

i mean technically?

[midnight ice]

oh, well, i mean, it did crumble to Frame Dust ™ at the end, so technically we're not making an original? but we did see likely an original as a setpiece

oh i'm completely misunderstanding

i dont know if there are other harrows mentioned before the one assigned to Rell, so im assuming thats the first they made................

[restive river]

Thats from the customization video

[lean garden]

I mean, we know there were multiple harrows made

just dont know if rell's was the first

[midnight ice]

yeah thats my bad

[wooden cave]

so that explains the million harrow chassis I have

[humble sierra]

Just realized the reason Harrow chassis blueprints come from the Void so frequently is because of Harrow's connection to the void

[midnight ice]

void is the harrow printer

[pale cedar]

Void is the money printer

[midnight ice]

holy shit Nef was right

give unto the void and the void will bring you riches

[dark compass]

Just look at Baro

[fast dew]

You have a point

Baro is rich

[fast dew]

Go my baro

[dark compass]

He just equips Dual Cestra and goes on to farm the void for 2 weeks

[pale cedar]

The Void giveth and the Void taketh away

That's how we make Nef poor

That's also how Baro lost his void drive

[fast dew]

Baro is pretty

[spice wedge]

Bruh he is grinding unlimited resources.

[midnight ice]

what does he do with the ducats anyways

what are ducats and why do we get it from prime parts?

[fast dew]

Hes making a coat, Albrecht style

[spice wedge]

[dark compass]

They are also used to purchase stuff in iron wake

And to craft paracesis

And they're referred to as Orokin Ducats sometimes

[midnight ice]

hmm

[dark compass]

I assume it's just an orokin currency

[midnight ice]

wonder what goes on in paracesis' construction that it needs ducats

just throw money at this sword, its absolutely necessary

[midnight ice]

makes sense

[pale cedar]

Something has to pay for the Void energy bill

[dark compass]

Dunno

It looks kinda "primed"

[midnight ice]

squint

[pale cedar]

It was made by an Orokin

[midnight ice]

1k ducats to pay off the orokin goblin in the foundry to make it wtv

[pale cedar]

1k to pay Ballas so he can use it on you

Paracecis is the only time something had a used blueprint yet could be replicated again

[fast dew]

Have you seen the sheath? I assume that's the use for it, other than it uses obols
-# I fully believe that if obols existed by the time we made the paracesis, it would use them over ducats

[pale cedar]

I wonder why Ballas needed us to rebuilt it for him

Definitely could've remade it himself

[midnight ice]

cant be assed

[dark compass]

Of course he can't be

His ass is gone

[fast dew]

True

Xata

[tall echo]

The sheath doesn't come with the sword tho

[pale cedar]

It's funny how he has a scar that was never shown being given and
Lost the ability to walk on his own legs from a stab to the stomach

[fast dew]

Nah, but we do magically get the damned thing

[fast dew]

We're like. 99% sure it hit his spine

[tall echo]

We buy it from simaris

[pale cedar]

DE want it to be the spine but they did a poor job showing that

Visibly it legit didn't go that far

[tall echo]

Without having to make it, actually

[tall echo]

What

[pale cedar]

It went in and went out not going as far as the spine

Visibly

[fast dew]

It goes through his back nemesis 😭

Gwa

[pale cedar]

I thought it was lower lol

Tbh I barely use Operator

[dark compass]

Who's Operatot

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-gif-10804346947536782797

[pale cedar]

Operators long lost sibling

Still though
That scar came out of nowhere

[fast dew]

I imagine the nerve damage would cause all sorts of havoc on a body

[pale cedar]

That scar came later still

Damn even scars are playing the “I am late card”

Ngl he deserved more

Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if it's a fake scar so he could grab some form of sympathy similar to what Palpatine did

[fast dew]

Mm, would make sense

[heady quest]

I hate the codex bro… buggy for no reason

I scanned the tank in 1999 3 times and it says I only have 2 scans 💀

[fast dew]

Helios:

[heady quest]

It’s not the scanning that bugs me…. It is the codex behind that that is just so unneccesarily unoptimised, unreliable, incomplete, inconsistent, etc

Many entries that can’t be obtained anymore are hidden….

Except two… which just stand there empty for no reason

DE please hire me for 1 dollar an hour to fix this

[fast dew]

Hm? What codex entry is it?

Are they in the murmur section?

[heady quest]

No the sentients section. Two entries from the scarlet spear event I think are still visible for me

Those two aren’t obtainable anymore

Also so many missing entries??? While they are still scannable? I assume that any object made with the engine always have the base code to be scannable and tracked but that it doesn’t automatically create a codex entry which must be made manually and the devs just don’t have time to make all of them or loose track on a few objects

[pale cedar]

DE broke Duviri lore with Old Peace

You can't read it

It just sends you to regular codex

[narrow pendant]

roathe confiscated the book for himself

the one hes holding upside down..

[brittle siren]

or maybe we are the one holding it upside down

[narrow pendant]

is roathe potentially.... australian..

or well now that i think of it, i cant even blame him, he has spun for so long with uriel's 1

[tall echo]

@fast dew resident australian, confirm?

[fast dew]

Hell no

Absolutely not. I do not claim the coloniser.

[pale cedar]

Looks like I'll have to claim the coloniser

[midnight ice]

lol bogan roathe

[opaque zenith]

I'll let him claim me. For balance... yes...

[midnight ice]

I want to leave him to die of thirst in the outback

[fast dew]

Let him come to me so I can kick the shit out of him

[pale cedar]

Actually, do we know who his VA is I only remember Ben with how many we got

[fast dew]

Uhhh

Great question

[opaque zenith]

Emech Selch's VA iirc

[fast dew]

Once again down the rabbit hole of VAs and the stuff they've done

Reminding folk that if you like Albrecht's or Loid's voices, their VAs genuinely just sound like that, and they both do audiobooks

[midnight ice]

astarion fish

[pale cedar]

I always remember Albrecht is Stefan

[strange turtle]

Aoi was Alpha Takahashi, and Eleanor was Amelia Tyler

[tall echo]

Stefan rudnicki

And tyl regor, nef anyo, ghoul rictus and the treasurers are all voiced by thevoiceactingninja

[strange turtle]

Quincy is Trieve Blackwood-Cambridge, Lettie is Melissa Medina, Amir is Kevin Afghani

also
Some people struggled with the KIM names??

[pale cedar]

DE does seem to do a lot of same VA for different characters

[tall echo]

How???

[tall echo]

Not really

There's like. Two times where one VA voices different characters