lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Discord might nuke the quality so

[twin whale]

also is that a lotus (different design) on his neck?

oh lame

doesn't explain anything, just technical info

[strange plinth]

yeah that looks like a lotus on the front + back of the neck

[twin whale]

I'm wondering if like

these are just normie symbols

that certain groups adopted

[fast dew]

To be very fair, a lot of them dont exist in game

[twin whale]

it's also the artists interpretation of in-universe symbols and the artist is probably not the lore writer

also Neci is being motorboated by the destiny logo

😭

[strange plinth]

that definitely looks like a stylized lidless eye in the center
i could understand that one getting cut for lore reasons

[fast dew]

You can see Viktor shirtless here, and he has. Almost none

[twin whale]

also: sol with a VERY sol invictus design on his pec

a very Cabanel devil

lotus cuff tattoo on his wrist

and elbow

a cross on the other one

I think from a design perspective, the artist just slapped his aesthetic on the character

[fast dew]

Yeah liger does that

[twin whale]

expecting the skin artists to pick and choose and be inspired

[fast dew]

I think the exception to Liger's consistent design choices would be like. Maybe Loid

[twin whale]

I think concept artists do that a lot, like a pinterest board full of vibes

[twin whale]

gimme!

[fast dew]

I fully think the reason it doesnt feel all the way Liger™ is that he's supposed to fit a pre-established aesthetic

[twin whale]

I can see it

[fast dew]

Liger is a phenomenal artist, they just have a strong, almost overpowering aesthetic

[twin whale]

I almost wanna prompt an AI to re-draw that art in the style of Liger

almost...

[radiant pier]

we are very anti-ai

so yeah don't do that

even as a mention, don't

incredibly disrespectful like bruh you've been here for almost 2 months alr

[twin whale]

the almost hinges on it being very evil to do so

don't think I don't know

[radiant pier]

yeah no don't do that regardless

[twin whale]

no need to be insulting my dude

[radiant pier]

just don't do it regardless

[twin whale]

wow

literally what do you think you're doing?

[radiant pier]

? what?

[dusty dragon]

My old art style is super AI coded. I used to mash PNGs together to make abominations, and I don't do it anymore because I could grab something AI without realizing.

I really wish I could do it with this game.

[twin whale]

you're coming off so hostile about a joke where I wanted to see what it would look like if the artist didn't have such strict guidelines

[radiant pier]

I'm saying you've been here for 2 months so you should be aware that the server is very anti-AI, and regardless, using AI on someone's art is disrespecting their work, where is the insult exactly?

[twin whale]

"incredibly disrespectful"

anyway I blocked you because I don't need that kind of negativity

[radiant pier]

what? is it not incredibly disrespectful to the artist LMFAO? BLOCKING ME FOR CALLING YOU OUT IS CRAZYYYY

"don't need that negativity" bro I'm tellin' you it's disrespectful that's crazyyyy

[fast dew]

Idk man i think considering to put an artist's art into ai is kinda shitty

[twin whale]

istg, re-read the whole thing, imagine that when I say "almost" and then call it evil is, is actually not so disrespectful

and then maybe don't just go "incredibly disrespectful" as if you're judging me for actions I am not taking

[radiant pier]

how are you insulted by being told it's disrespectful 😭

[twin whale]

that would be like saying "you're being reckless and endangering children" if I say "I wish I could go faster in this school zone"

[fast dew]

... what

[radiant pier]

LMAOOO ALL THIS OVER BEING TOLD AI ART IS DISRESPECTFUL AHAHEHAHEHA

[fast dew]

It is disrespectful to put an artist's art into ai, thats. Just what that is

[twin whale]

it would be incredibly disrespectful to do it, it's not incredibly disrespectful to think it

[fast dew]

Like as an artist i would be incredibly pissed if you did

... yeah most people dont think like that

[radiant pier]

you tell an artist you almost wanna put their art into AI and see where that goes 😭

[radiant pier]

that's not really ai-coded

[twin whale]

yeah, nobody has a vivid imagination, there are no such things as intrusive thoughts, everyone else has a content filter

[radiant pier]

that's like....the opposite

[dusty dragon]

My ma uses chatgpt instead of calling me up when she wants photos.

[fast dew]

Yeah uh. Thats the best thing about being online. You can stop and think before you send things.

[radiant pier]

again bro I told you it's disrespectful to use someone's art in AI like that's a whole new sentence

[fast dew]

You know ai is bad, and you know people's feelings on jt

[twin whale]

I wish Joel woul have instead of trying to crucify me over an innocent joke message

[dusty dragon]

Duck, can I DM you the art?

[fast dew]

Ehhh. Its not really a joke man

[twin whale]

like I'm clearly not about to

ok girlypop

[fast dew]

I fail to find any aspect that its a joke

Please don't call me that.

[twin whale]

same

for the very same reason

[radiant pier]

LMAOOOOO

[fast dew]

... so your response instead of saying not to, is to misgender me?

[dusty dragon]

Eh, I'll swap out my PFP.

[radiant pier]

suree

[twin whale]

fighting fire with fire

[fast dew]

You know thats.

[radiant pier]

WHAT FIRE LMAO

[fast dew]

Not how that works right

[dusty dragon]

I swapped out my PFP, this is the best one.

[fast dew]

Being transphobic to another trans person isnt okay

[dusty dragon]

I don't know what's happening anymore

[twin whale]

well, you've been told

[radiant pier]

how is being told it's disrespectful to use AI on someone's art a justification for misgendering

[austere moon]

does anyone know if we will fully be able to cure the entratis?

[fast dew]

You know what

Moderator time.

[radiant pier]

I forget which mod, is it just a general mod ping or what

[woven coyote]

Probably not
Even from looks alone it appears the transformation is too advanced

[austere moon]

-# bad time?

[twin whale]

ok, even tho you've a habit of doxxing chatters, you run to the mods...

[fast dew]

<@&778745217037238293> please come and deal with this. Random transphobia

[dusty dragon]

This chat is going to need a nuke

[fast dew]

Pixel? Its in their damn bio.

I aint doxxing shit if its in their bio.

[radiant pier]

DOXXING?!?

[fast dew]

In fact

I told them they were doxxing themselves and they refused to change shit

[strange plinth]

we've only seen Alad V get cured, and it wasn't the same strain (mutalist rather than gray) nor the same progression of the infestation

[fast dew]

And how does that ever justify transphobia?

[twin whale]

"... yeah most people dont think like that"

most people don't go into another person's back door and tell them to lock it

[radiant pier]

imma be fr wit'chu I just dislike AI art idk why that person be doing all this

[radiant pier]

that's...that's not what's happening I told you AI art is disrespectful

[fast dew]

Yeah, they do actually. They see a door is open and they tell the owner its open.

[dusty dragon]

I just wish my art didn't look so AI.

[fast dew]

Its called common courtesy

[twin whale]

I'm not talking to you anymore... stop trying to make this about you

[bronze field]

Enough of the AI art discussion. Move on. Anything else will be handled accordingly.

[dusty dragon]

Ok.

[fast dew]

Thank you.

[dusty dragon]

So, why do the entrati people hate each other so much?

[glass sluice]

@fast dew Aoi just offered to bite me if she "grows teeth like Eleanor".
she really is so much more fun of a character once you start dating.

[fast dew]

Dysfunctional family

[radiant pier]

I ain't gon' lie as someone in the LGBTQ+ community myself I don't feel secure over here fr

[dusty dragon]

Coulda swore that's just how families are.

[twin whale]

Didn't I tell you she stops being like a lil sister :p

[radiant pier]

righteo sorry I didn't reply I ordered food, feel free to send

[bronze field]

We do not continue the conversation.

Please keep the channel to lore discussion.

[radiant pier]

I typed that a bit earlier

but omke

[fast dew]

Anyways

[twin whale]

mac can I shoot you a DM? not trying to argue

[glass sluice]

She's the Ginny of the Hex, and I love it.

[fast dew]

The entrati are just generally dysfunctional due to

[strange plinth]

dysfunctional family + stuck in the same place with each other for who knows how long + mildly decent reasons to not like each other (Son letting the infestation in, Mother focusing too much on albrecht rather than her remaining family, etc.)

[fast dew]

A lot of things, but mainly Mother

She gives BPD realness sometimes

[dusty dragon]

Ah, so the ma is a

[strange plinth]

uhh
idr what father did but he got cut up twice (Daughter and Mother)

[fast dew]

He has no spine

[radiant pier]

have you ever had a mildly annoying passive aggressive interaction with a distant aunt?

[fast dew]

Especially when it comes to mother

[glass sluice]

of course he doesn't, you can't get through infested pipes if you have a spine.

[fast dew]

Yeah. Loads of times

Though im unsure if they're an aunt or if we just call them auntie

[fast dew]

[glass sluice]

The fact that drifter/operator can go through those same pipes mildly concerns me.

[fast dew]

Well we are supposed to be inside the warframes most of the time

[radiant pier]

the ones that constantly give backhanded compliments? and when you call em out they get defensive and pretend you killed their family or something? like that

[strange plinth]

yoinked by the. thing i don't remember the name of
this would've been much funnier if i remembered that

[radiant pier]

trust me, I would know, I got aunts and uncles doin' that

[glass sluice]

The "I dont wanna do the necramech vault" tentacle exit strategy.

[fast dew]

Mmm. Oesophagus.....?

[strange plinth]

esophage

[fast dew]

Close enough

[glass sluice]

Kidneys!

[radiant pier]

they did really good with writing the family

[glass sluice]

are we just naming body parts now?

[dusty dragon]

I don't know how the vaults work

[fast dew]

Almost too good, Mother is familiar in a bad way

[radiant pier]

I was gonna type something about the daughter and then I realized "wait the way the son is written is cool too" and then the grandmother being the type that's like

[strange plinth]

wait the concept art for this is funny as hell
wdym this was meant to be an enemy

[glass sluice]

All of the family are at fault, which is why it's so satisfying when you hit Rank 5.

[radiant pier]

she's too old to see this family of her's disgruntled with each other

[radiant pier]

oh the thing that transports you around?

[glass sluice]

oh the Trasportacle?

[woven coyote]

Wonder how old that is, unless i'm mistaken the first esophage showed up for the jordas veredict trial

[jolly root]

I might have nicknamed it a lot worst that is if i said it i might get banned

[glass sluice]

I had to filter mine down too, dw.

[strange plinth]

yeah, looks like they were introduced for jordas verdict, removed, then readded for cambion drift

[jolly root]

I bet

[glass sluice]

DE do that a lot, they like using old stuff for something new.
Honestly I don't mind.

[woven coyote]

That trial was such a pain coordinating inside and outside teams

[glass sluice]

God I miss the Trials.

[dusty dragon]

So I started in 2019, I can't remember what all I would have experienced in the on and off play style I did.

I think I remember when the necralisk showed up, maybe.

[strange plinth]

added in 2015, animations shown on devstream 30 in mid-2014
yea that concept's been around for a bit lol

[radiant pier]

LMFAO PLEASE TELL ME WHAT YOU CALLED IT, DM ME

[woven coyote]

It's been over 10 years, by the void where has time gone

[radiant pier]

I just call it Alice

Alice in Wonderland except it's not a hole, it's an eldritch entity as a forest

I do wonder

the deimos wildlife, are they part of the hive mind that are the infested?

or are they more...like actual normal wildlife with infested mutations

[woven coyote]

Considering the worms fighting, i think there might be more than one hive there

[radiant pier]

actually have we even gotten any hostile non-sentient infested?

as in like, not sentient before infestation

[woven coyote]

Infested moas

They are hostile and non sentient

[radiant pier]

that aren't mechanical

should've said excluding robots

took me a long while to realize the chargers are Grineer

er...were Grineer

[glass sluice]

There's a corpus in the process of turning into one in one infested tileset, you can shoot them if you're kind.

[radiant pier]

do we know what the ancients are

like originally before infestation

[radiant pier]

would they die to Xaku's 4

also dang I'm getting ayatan stars more often now, is there a lore reason you can get them from random crates or like nah just game mechanics

[strange plinth]

orokin
there's a synthesis thing about it

[radiant pier]

I thought all orokin were.... disproportionately big

[strange plinth]

ballas is a little tall but that's about it
the entrati family are big because of the gray strain
but the ancients have the orokin long arm + corrupted ancient synthesis imprint
it is long else i'd just paste it here

[fast dew]

Ballas is just tall yeah

You gotta remember we are seeing ballas, usually as a child

[radiant pier]

ALWAYS blame Ballas

[twin wigeon]

ballas is actually like what slightly bigger than a warframe (pre sentient form)

source: that umbra + operator stabbing ballas in Sacrifice cutscene

[restive river]

Iirc the Zariman arg gave us a sorta idea of Orokin height to normal human height
They’re tall on purpose

Everything to be further away from the peasants
Long arm to give us stuff but while being as far away as possible

DE cooked and I wanna reenact the night of the naga drums

[twin wigeon]

humans are smaller than warframes right?

or y'know npcs/enemies

[strange plinth]

taller than ostron, about the same as grineer/corpus iirc

[fast dew]

The ostrons are just. Stunted

[twin wigeon]

thats fair

[fast dew]

Kinda inbred looking

[twin wigeon]

kuva do be doing that

WAIT

we have hollevanians!

or however its spelt

[strange plinth]

konzu is a frog, i will not be elaborating
-# DE i beg, remodel the ostrons. you can do good humans

[strange plinth]

mm i forgot about them
i think warframes are a little taller than them? but not as much as ostrons

[twin wigeon]

norp

no remodel of ostrons ❤️

[restive river]

I’ll go compare rn

[twin wigeon]

ty ❤️

[restive river]

But also the protos are normal people and warframes in general are too so

And human heights can vary a LOT

[twin wigeon]

hmmmmmm

[midnight ice]

god forbid some people be under 5 feet

-# lh

[twin wigeon]

hahaha

[fast dew]

Should've just had more stem cells or smthn

[restive river]

my Xaku and Excal Umbra for comparison to just some random Hollvanians

heights vary!

[twin wigeon]

dammit

curse DE for their attention to detail

[restive river]

[twin wigeon]

grrr

[strange plinth]

that guy being taller than umbra is really funny i think

[restive river]

that's what they're good at!

DEtails!

[dusty dragon]

So do we have future CDs, or just the soma fragments?

And why are the soma fragments in fragments?

[fast dew]

As in CDs in the future or the equivalent of CDs in the future

[dusty dragon]

Did someone say no music and break every CD in the system?

[dusty dragon]

Yes.

[strange plinth]

them being fragments is prolly just gameplay

[fast dew]

Because if Albrecht did bring onlyne to the origin system to show his granddaughter, probably

[dusty dragon]

I have determined a very angry grineer general decided that nobody gets to listen to music and smashed every soma chord into bits.

Because he had no talent so he decided that if he can't be good at music nobody else gets to listen to music at all.

[strange plinth]

so there's that (aoi r2c1)

[fast dew]

MO

NO WHAT

Shut up drifter just buy a cd player

Where's mine i wonder

I have a regular one and a walkman

[dusty dragon]

I've also got both.

[fast dew]

Or. A discman technically but yk

[dusty dragon]

What tapes do you like?

[fast dew]

I have been meaning to get a tape player too

Ill get it once I get doom eternal's collectors edition

[dusty dragon]

The Chinese still make them if you aren't looking for something original. I've got an original too, I just don't have small enough fingers to replace the belt.

[fast dew]

Nah. Id be looking at getting an original, because. I like being fancy idk 😭

[dusty dragon]

You'll probably have to replace the belt.

[fast dew]

I used to paint minifigs, my hands are small enough

If not, use tiny little tools

[midnight ice]

i have one! working fine, speaker is just a bit wonk

[dusty dragon]

Oh, I meant name brand, not knockoff.

I've got a really neat one with a programmable radio.

[glass sluice]

TiL Sony is a knockoff brand.
I thought the PS5 felt a bit weird. No real company uses straight-up numbers as a name!

[dusty dragon]

No, I own a broken name brand but a knockoff that works

I believe that was relatively clear.

[glass sluice]

It was not, but I wanted to make the joke regardless.

[midnight ice]

sony is name brand, though?

[dusty dragon]

Yeah? I would post my knockoff but this is straying from lore again.

[midnight ice]

yeah alr mb

came here to ask what murmur eyes actually are cc @fast dew was it ever explained? i dont know if Fibs saying "we gotta out-stare the murmur" is a joke or do we actually have to. outstare it
how does summoning the Fragmented One work anyways

[glass sluice]

It's actualy not too far off for lore, because DE used one of those to make the Follie VO for her trailer.

It was in Dev 193/7

[dusty dragon]

Where on earth did they get fresh tapes?

[midnight ice]

people do still make fresh tapes

[glass sluice]

A place near me still sells VCR's, you'd be shocked at how many people still use older tech.

I still use an mp3 player.

[dusty dragon]

Well yeah, obviously but I've been cannibalizing my old stuff for years at this point.

If it dies but has something I can still use it gets stripped out.

I've got terabytes of hdds.

[glass sluice]

Go for a hunt online, loads of stuff laying around.
buuuut to swing it back to lore, I do think that the VO from her trailer is going to be a therapist of sorts, possibly Cephalon.

[dusty dragon]

I reckon it'll either be that or Rell 2.

[glass sluice]

Suda chose to be one because of Alzheimers, this one did it entirely for the creep factor. I respect it.

[dusty dragon]

So, I never got to play the earlier night waves other than glassmaker, what were they like?

[glass sluice]

Kinda a bad way to tell a story, honestly. There's a reason DE stopped.

[restive river]

What if the voice in Follie’s trailer is the new merchant :?

[glass sluice]

The merchant is an Arbiters of Hexis agent, we've seen him.

he stands outside their room on a Relay.

[restive river]

No they were fine lol
They stopped to push resources to the main story instead

[restive river]

Yeah I know
I’m saying they could be trans lol

[fast dew]

Murmur gather and form together.

[fast dew]

[glass sluice]

Disagree, I could not stand their pace.

[dusty dragon]

I don't remember. I've got lumpy brain syndrome.

[fast dew]

Real

[midnight ice]

so we're putting the eyes in a bag to attract it?

[restive river]

It was a trickle and it was fine, especially by Glassmaker

[fast dew]

Mm, I think so actually. Luring it out or smthn

[restive river]

They were episodic stories it was fine lmao

[dusty dragon]

Yeah, I think that's the one I played.

[restive river]

Glassmaker was by far the best, added a unique feature, introduced a cool villain, really cool boss fight

[dusty dragon]

I don't remember it though.

I think I used my scanner?

[radiant pier]

wait

[restive river]

The wolf was the first and the worst for sure, bro was just beefy

The emissary was fun though

[fast dew]

Said villain is pretty
<- thinks that most orokin are pretty

[radiant pier]

the family on deimos, Orokin?

[fast dew]

Yeah

[radiant pier]

okay so I wasn't misremembering things

[restive river]

You’d be in the weave and inspect objects

[dusty dragon]

YEAH

[radiant pier]

but didn't Ballas say something about...being the last of his kind? or did I hallucinate that

[dusty dragon]

I did that

[fast dew]

Yeah he did

He assumed the others died, the entrati family included

[radiant pier]

does he believe himself to be the only "pure" oro-OH RIGHT THEY HID AWAY

[dusty dragon]

A fisherman got murderized and I found stuff important on his stuff

[radiant pier]

I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT DAUGHTER SAYING THAT

[fast dew]

Which. Tbf deimos as a whole wasn't in the origin system for yoinks

[dusty dragon]

Would I have seen it appear?

[restive river]

Aside from Albrecht (who he wouldn’t know about) Ballas was the last known Orokin

[dusty dragon]

I started in 2019.

[radiant pier]

WH-WHAT

[restive river]

Kinda?

[radiant pier]

where was Ballas all this time

[fast dew]

Deimos? Mm. Might’ve seen it in the skybox by accident.

[radiant pier]

during that whole intro sequence for the sacrifice, I legit thought it was a flashback we were experiencing in the room

[fast dew]

Much like seeing lua in PoE when it first dropped

[restive river]

So the Derelict used to be in the top right of the star chart and it slooowly drifted into place and then once Deimos launched it became Deimos
There’s no specific lore reason, my guess is it needed to get into position so that Deimos could re-enter realspace

[dusty dragon]

No, like see it become a thing. I didn't have any affinity when I started back up.

[pale cedar]

If one is on a bunch of rocks always on the move one family is hiding in the Void and one member of that family ran away playing dead and Roathe is downstairs and one is in a bottle assuming you're the last is normal

[fast dew]

Nihil in da toob

[dusty dragon]

I've got lumpy brain syndrome. Everything in here is mixed together.

[fast dew]

[restive river]

Deimos doesn’t suddenly appear for story reasons like Lua, it’s re-entry happened years ago but for more recent Tenno it already happened while they slept basically
Or
You can interpret it as the moment we awaken they re-enter the system, which aligns more with what’s said

[radiant pier]

righteo I am now confused can someone like....yeah bullet form maybe?

[strange plinth]

-# if i had a nickel for every time a moon was put into, and later taken out of, the void because of orokin technology, i'd have two nickels
-# which isn't a lot but its weird it happened twice

[restive river]

Oh also fun fact, the original deimos could be seen in a Mars skybox before (and briefly after) Deimos the playable moon came out

[pale cedar]

I wonder why they abandoned this concept art

[dusty dragon]

I WONDER

[radiant pier]

things got kinda mixed up too many of y'all were talking at once my brain got fried apdhqlen

[restive river]

Actually
@fast dew you’re Mr. Entrati
Any thoughts on the Derelict? Do you think there nay have been an actual purpose beyond merging them fkr gameplay

[fast dew]

-# if i had a dollar for every time I played a game where deimos was pulled into a space beyond time that could theoretically facilitate switching between timelines by rich people, then later getting overun by hostile forces, id have 2 dollars.
-# Which isnt a lot but its weird that it happened twice

[radiant pier]

to keep the age ratings

[strange plinth]

happens

[pale cedar]

Tbh if it was rerated it would be 18 anyway

[restive river]

Doesn’t come across as an Orokin as much and it was probably easier to make more “normal” models
Also with how the Entrati look now they’re a better intro to the Orokin, at least in appearance

[restive river]

We can cut a dude in half
It’s really bloody lol

[fast dew]

Mm. Im Mr. Entrati now.

I think it could be gameplay, but it so could be the entrati family possibly wanting extra space or closer orokin tech for themselves

[restive river]

Like that’s on the regular lmao

[pale cedar]

DE actually nerfed gore before

[restive river]

Necraloid remotely piloting the Derelict in place so Deimos can “eat” it

[midnight ice]

not even vague details either, they modelled the insides very well

[restive river]

It’s nerfed in specific regions
Which iirc nerfs Nekros

[fast dew]

Yeah thats what im thinking

[fast dew]

Yeah I think i saw a detailed spine

[restive river]

I can see it
That or it’s the infestation doing it

[fast dew]

Calling them to each other yeah

[restive river]

Friends :)

[midnight ice]

friends :)

[fast dew]

Friend! :)

[strange plinth]

rough timeline of deimos would probably be
albrecht breaks into the void, bio-bomb set off during the old war, infestation spreads, at some point shunted into the void, heart destabilizes, deimos shunted back out of the void, heart of deimos quest
someone else can correct me if i'm wrong anywhere

[pale cedar]

I wonder how people don't get confused about how a heart works but get confused by Heart of Deimos

[fast dew]

Well, when you're pumping void to places completely detached from where the heart is, its pretty weird

[midnight ice]

lgtm

[pale cedar]

It's still the same thing in practice

[restive river]

You forgot the expeditions ):

[fast dew]

Yeah, but imagine pumping blood to a organ severed from your body

It gets weird

[restive river]

Ok but it is also the void

[fast dew]

Yeah, im saying folk who don't understand the void would struggle to understand the heart

[pale cedar]

How isn't “pumps the arteries of the here and the Void enough to understand”

[strange plinth]

true
tbf i also left out a lot of other void-related shenanigans
the expeditions would be happening before and during the old war, right?
there's never anything specific on when the bio-bomb is detonated, i don't think

[restive river]

I think we all struggle with what untime and unspace mean exactly tbh

[restive river]

They would be before and during yes, likely before the bio-bomb too

Iirc Albrecht went in on some before the Zariman and we know many others did, including frames later on
That’s how we have Xaku!

[strange plinth]

just not sure if they'd be going on after
Loid mentioning fending off the infestation would imply that it happened before he went to sleep, maybe?

[fast dew]

I personally think it functions like a big generator yk? Instead of delivering energy through like. Underground, it does it through the void and deposits it to "hubs" that redistributes it via arboriforms

[pale cedar]

Can't kill people in your sleep unless you're a Tenno

[restive river]

Probably not, Deimos wouldn’t be conductive to experiments anymore after the bio-bomb

[fast dew]

I mean we sure don't see infestation in the labs

[restive river]

Could it have been from right before they sealed it?
Idk his exact quote so

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-the-devil's-triad-warframe-1999-1999-halloween-gif-2563549508120681407

[fast dew]

Its the one where he yells about fighting off parvos' men during whispers

[fast dew]

Oh shush.

[restive river]

That’s after and via a time portal

[fast dew]

Hostile infestation.

[restive river]

Now that time portal is made of Helninth (somrhow) so how did THAT get in

Also if you wanted to really point at some infestation in the labs then look at the Vessels, not the Triad

[strange plinth]

"I saw off Granum's thugs. I beat back the Infested. And by the Void, I shall see the end of these monstrosities."
during mirror defense i think

[fast dew]

That is my biggest question

[pale cedar]

Upstairs has Helminth stuff tbh

[restive river]

I read that as legs and not thugs 😭

[strange plinth]

if only,,
no actually he'd just replace them with gold again

[fast dew]

"Beat back" sounds like he physically hit them 😭

[restive river]

Yeah but why’s it look like that

[fast dew]

Hits infestation with a broom

[restive river]

Either Roathe’s a liar or this wasn’t thought through properly

probably both

[fast dew]

Both are pretty likely

Mucking Roach.

[midnight ice]

he sawed off granum's thugs and beat the shit out of the infested...

my goodness loid

[restive river]

That man can like
Double jump iirc

It makes sense why Albrecht fell for him

[pale cedar]

He fought Murmur and survived

[fast dew]

Albrecht's a fan of impressively strong folk

[strange turtle]

The real reason he didn’t like, Germaine or whatever

She was too weak

[dark compass]

He only likes people if they beat him in a fight

[strange turtle]

he wears that Jotaro cosplay for a reason

[dusty dragon]

That's why he does time stuff

He's a jojo

[dark compass]

This implies that On-Lyne beat the shit out of him

[dusty dragon]

They beat his ears into submission with their sweet sweet music

[dark compass]

Ohhh

Beat as in, the beat of their music

Very profound

[pine thistle]

Is Nitokh going to return

[strange plinth]

maybe. a lot of roathe's convos seem to be building towards it, but no hard proof

[dark compass]

He is just baiting us

He misses his fake girlfriend

[pine thistle]

All signs seem to point to her being Garuda

Either proto or something else

My running theory is that she tried to launch her coup and failed, and Albrecht cornered her and offered her the Serum, which she took, and became Proto-Garuda

It would make sense considering she seemed to be wiped from history shortly after Roathe’s own disappearance

[fast dew]

I very much doubt Albrecht would be able to corner Nitohk

[pine thistle]

…unless she was already injured and dying

[dusty dragon]

Yeah, sure we'll go with that.

[dark compass]

What the hell happened to just having a warframe bodyguard

Proto this proto that

[pine thistle]

If she did do her coup, the Seven would have not allowed her to do Continuity again

Her death would’ve been final

[fast dew]

Even then, shed honestly rather kill him

[dark compass]

Even Parvos had Protea, even Ballas had Hildryn

[fast dew]

She isn't like Roathe, where she could be persuaded

[dark compass]

Stop making protoframes

[fast dew]

Albrecht n probably Qorvex or oraxia

[dark compass]

What happened to having an elite goon by your side who makes for a penultimate fight

[strange plinth]

although roathe's chats say that she didn't go through with the plan after he disappeared
wiped from history or not, the impact of the coup probably would've been left

[dark compass]

It's an awesome villain trope

[strange plinth]

yeah, i'd say garuda was commissioned by Nitokh or was made in honor of her if anything

[dark compass]

Yeah it's just so easy

Makes so much sense

Yeah I want a warframe named after an ancient god

It's all about blood and stuff

[fast dew]

Also when would Albrecht ever be able to find her actually hurt

[dark compass]

I think Qorvex is just meant for us as a cleanup crew, Oraxia fits the bill more

[pine thistle]

I disagree. Every orokin having some type of warframe bodyguard seems to be a trope. Tenno were more than bodyguards, they were the saviors of the Empire. Dax were the bodyguards

[fast dew]

Bcs he left before the night of the naga drums 😭

.. what

[midnight ice]

what happened to the elite goon dramatically standing between us and the big bad evil nitokh

[dark compass]

Yes

[midnight ice]

saviors?

[dark compass]

Nitohk is just one big goon away

[strange plinth]

dax were soldiers, warframes were elite soldiers
the prime vanguard were the elite of the elite
any and all were bodyguards

[fast dew]

No, warframes were bodyguards along with Dax. High ranking orokin likely had a warframe bodyguard

[midnight ice]

and i mean. we have an orokin proto already, it'd be nice to have a proto bodyguard that has their own insight about what its like being a bodyguard frame or sumn

[fast dew]

Id honestly rather they stop with making protos

Its getting boring and ruins the allure of protos

Albrecht is supposed to be doing it for a reason

[midnight ice]

ok also fair

[strange plinth]

hildryn prime for ballas, protea for parvos
as examples
don't think there's a specific example of a dax bodyguard
dagath pre-warframing was more of a toy than a guard, and we have no detail on what umbra was up to

teshin and varzia are similar amounts of vague about their past

[fast dew]

Like. Id like a loid proto because it fits with a set up

Loid goes up to the family, gets infested and needs to proto himself to save himself. That makes sense

[midnight ice]

enough protoframe i want sentient monsterframes

[pine thistle]

I like the protos tbh

[strange turtle]

“Operator. I found a vial of what I thought was a drink Albrecht had left me. It was not.”

[fast dew]

Also lemme just.

Man its pretty clear

[dark compass]

I can allow Loid proto

[strange plinth]

i like the protos in concept, but i also agree w/ thomas
they're losing the allure now that we have 3 sets of them, they definitely need to slow down if there will be more
or set them up better, the triad's just kinda. there.

[dark compass]

It's morally acceptable

[pine thistle]

Also since apparently Nitokh was Grand Regent and thus supreme military commander of the Empire, is it also not her partially her fault as to how the Orokin ended up being beaten so badly and invaded by Sentients

[fast dew]

The triad was shoehorned in

[pine thistle]

Since she was in charge of the empire’s military

[fast dew]

They came as skins first, then characters, yk

[strange plinth]

afaik, Roathe was Grand Regent, i don't think we have any titles for Nitokh

[dark compass]

I'm glad I've said something of worth

[fast dew]

He was vice regent smthn smthn roach

It was Grand Carnus you're thinking of

[dark compass]

Vice Regent Carnus

Or something

[fast dew]

Thats the military thing, Regent is unexplained iirc

[strange turtle]

Vice Regent Grand Carnus

[strange plinth]

ah, right

[dark compass]

Vice Carnus Grand Regent

[midnight ice]

vice regent grand carcinos (vice regent grand crab)

[strange plinth]

mm, and he does say Grand Regent Executor Nitokh

[strange turtle]

And Nitokh was Grand Regent Executor

[dark compass]

Red. And has claws

[fast dew]

And, iirc it was the carnus part that made him military

The grand regent stuff is

Again, afaik, unexplained

Regent is a weird word anyway

[pine thistle]

Technically they were all acting as regents for the Emperors so I’m not sure what “grand” is supposed to imply.

The emperors’ power was vested in the executors

[midnight ice]

Cooler Regent

[pine thistle]

First among equals?

Which is even more terrifying if they gave Nitokh more power

She seemed… unstable.

[dark compass]

They just make up ranks for each other for shits and giggles

[fast dew]

She seems stable

[strange plinth]

"In the early days of the War they appointed me Vice Regent Grand Carnus at her goading, thinking it a jest."
correct

[fast dew]

Shes just orokin

[dark compass]

You have the exact same power as another orokin, but you're only allowed to go cereal->milk, and they're only allowed to go milk->cereal

You will go to war over it

[fast dew]

Well someone has it better than others

[dark compass]

Hence

[strange turtle]

Its not specified, AFAIK

Unless there’s some voiceline he says about it, I can’t access the quote thing for his wiki and i don’t know if it’s in the Archives yet

[fast dew]

Mm, isnt it referenced somewhere in the. Stupid ass chest armour thing?

The one with the challenges

[dark compass]

I'm the Grand Carnus of beating your ass

[fast dew]

Yayy!! :33

[strange plinth]

he says "Vice Regent Admiral Roathe" after a gemini emote
which is the only time 'admiral' is ever added, as far as i can tell

[strange turtle]

That was Ballas

[dark compass]

He just makes up ranks as he goes

[midnight ice]

"vice regent captain roathe" "vice corporal grand carnus"

[dark compass]

"Sergeant Commander Carnus Roathe"

[fast dew]

Who do we think were the pacifists and the warmongers?

[strange turtle]

Depends.

If you mean in general, It started with a surprise attack, and their advantage isn’t really something that can be counteracted initially unless you specifically prepared already, which they had no reason too

But if you mean as part of her plan to kill the Orokin, then yeah, she was specifically manipulating things to prolong the war, and would probably have been doing stuff to make it more destructive

[fast dew]

I think. The pacifists wouldve been. Scarne, Avantus, and. I think id say Tuvul

[dark compass]

"let me kidnap children in peace"

[strange turtle]

Tuvul was probably a warmonger, because Tuvul. Karissh probably because Tau doesn’t have new food and the war destroyed and used up more food.

Avantus seems like the type to avoid war just because. War. But she maybe she wasvindictive

I think Tormis or whatever would’ve wanted peace because of the initial visit, but he could also just be out for blood because of the betrayal so it’s a tossup

[strange plinth]

Avantus, Tormis and Karishh i could see on either side, mostly through lack of characterization
Tuvul falls under Nitokh i think. the zariman was his project, he wanted tau

[fast dew]

Id say Avantus can be vindictive without war, i certainly can

Iirc avantus was. Avoidant? Which makes me think she'd go the easiest route

I do agree on the Tuvul part

[strange plinth]

i could see that, yeah

[fast dew]

Tormis... has little to no characterisation but based on the visual design of him, I can see him being a warmonger

[strange plinth]

tormis was willing to go through the rail first, and apparently did so to spite tuvul?

[fast dew]

I gotta write yaoi between Tormis n Scarne 💔

[fast dew]

Heh. Sounds like something Tormis would do

[strange turtle]

It wasn’t that he specifically did it, it was just the collective choice of him over Tuvul

[fast dew]

And while Nihil isnt a member of the 7, he would definitely choose war

[strange turtle]

So ig they either had beef or Tormis was like, less influential at the time

[fast dew]

Tormis might just be really charismatic

Like i can see him being like that

[strange plinth]

i wonder if that caused suspicion
tormis went through the rail and came back unscathed, but the next people through the rail a few days later were attacked

[midnight ice]

tormis was just That Guy

[pale cedar]

Only you can answer that being Tormis yourself

[pine thistle]

The seven are so interesting

We need them fleshed out more

[mental herald]

I don't get why the lotus says "you were forced to fight ally sentients because of the bad anarchs" in the beginning of the perita rebellion. Because we are fighting for the orokin, and the anarchs were against the orokin. Shouldn't she say how you were forced to fight for the orokin?

[humble sierra]

Firstly, both sides were backed by Orokin, and secondly we don't care about the Orokin as much as we did the sentients who were forcefully corrupted

[zenith totem]

I just remembered / just learned Ordis's history. Good god lmao. He's perfect for me as much as Cy.

[spice moth]

I've been thinking, I think that excalibur umbra's past is way more relatable then the other fictional characters I've ever read or seen

[radiant pier]

dawg if you relate to the umbra more than anyone else in the story I feel therapy would help a great deal

you've been reliving your worst memory for hundreds of years??

[fast dew]

Umbra is certainly a character to relate to

[spice moth]

It's a personal stuff that's kinda similar (no killing in there) that happened to me about 3 years ago

So, I can't explain it here

[fast dew]

The uh. Rage aspect?

I can relate to Albrecht entrati of all people so its not the weirdest one

[spice moth]

The guilt to my ownself is

Just that

[fast dew]

Oh yeah same actually

Thats part of how i relate to Albrecht lmao

[radiant pier]

I relate to

I have no idea actually

[dark compass]

I relate to Xaku because I can't decide on anything and like to actively fall apart

[midnight ice]

i relate to harrow because i beat myself up over the smallest things and like to be mostly powercrept by everyone else

[radiant pier]

I....relate to Saryn because I'm a baddie?

[dark compass]

Are you also incredibly toxic?

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/rat-mouse-frien-gif-23468077

[midnight ice]

do you also have fat badonkers?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-cat-yippee-cat-gif-6081453495700419424

[radiant pier]

lotus eaters time

@fast dew so uhm what's the difference in choosing who to speak and what

@midnight ice hello

[lean garden]

dont they both speak?

[midnight ice]

who to huh what

[radiant pier]

it's making me choose between 3 dialogue options for each

Operator and the Drifter

[midnight ice]

i dont remember lotus eaters lmao

[radiant pier]

BRUH

[midnight ice]

probably nbd?

[radiant pier]

would I be stuck with one for the rest of the quest

[midnight ice]

nah

[radiant pier]

oh I just choose one for each

Paradox is a hardass title

that is deadass a flip phone

BEERUS!!! MY MAN

oh that was it?

oh wait so The Operator is just chilling over there

IT'S THE SING SHE LISTENS TO

IS THAT GAUSS

oh I'm blind

OH HELLO MAG

HELLOOOO

IS THAT NYX

holy shit.

a motorcycle

WHO IS THIS BADDIE?

SARYN MAYBE?

[deep magnet]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-stare-gif-25974981

[lean garden]

lol

why is the go-to assumption that neci is saryn

[radiant pier]

first thought was that Arthur is def my friend's type and I was absolutely right

THESE SONGS ARE SO GOOD HOLY SHIT DO THEY HAVE A TRACK SOMEWHERE

THAT WAS A KICKASS INTRO

is that the thing on our ship

WOAH

HOW DID THEY GIVE EXCA SO MUCH AURA

THAT WAS US?!?

DO WE CANONICALLY ONLY USE THE EXCA OR WAS THAT JUST CUZ OF THE DRIFTER

[wooden cave]

believe so

[radiant pier]

NOT YOUR TYPE? OUT THE GODDAMN WAY ALBRECHT

MY TYPE FRFR

WPEHQPE HWYA THE OKAY PAHDPAO WHAT THE HELL

oh my god

THAT ALBRECHT WAS HER?!?!?

love...we know what you are Albrecht

[wooden cave]

also I can't decide between any of them for the romance options
thinking arthur but he just seems a little too basic emo boy for my tastes

[radiant pier]

ROMANCE?

OUT THE GODDAMN WAY

WOAH THE DRIFTER IS TALL

so er....do we canonically only use an exca throughout the whole story or is this just cuz of the drifter

[wooden cave]

.>
ya there's a whole romance thing that's entirely optional
and also I said my thoughts earlier on that, for the drifter part

[wooden cave]

you eventually revert to your actual frame since hollvania becomes a little hub for you
like how the sanctum anatomica is

[radiant pier]

you didn't exactly answer which one you kinda just said yes

[wooden cave]

wha

[lean garden]

neither

we just needed a warframe body to transference into from the present into the past

[wooden cave]

if u meant the last part of this I was talking about the excalibur part u talked about, but I chose to reiterate it

[wooden cave]

also true

[strange turtle]

Excal is the default

[wooden cave]

-# also bro why does gaining focus for my drifter take 10000 years 😭

-# it did NOT take this long for vazarin

[strange turtle]

So for like marketing and when in specific circumstances, DE just uses him, unless they want to shake things up a bit

[restive river]

Just do some long solo Duviri runs

[wooden cave]

fair

[restive river]

Tbh idk how long it should take cause that’s all I did for like a week when that came out LOL

[radiant pier]

so this Exca frame is just so we have something to use

[restive river]

Yeah

Basically
||We communicate with the infestation that we need a ride to 1999, we hitch said ride through it due to the Infestation’s hivemind being present throughout all times where it has physically existed and through transference. Excal is just the default, yes but we also used the vessel connected to Arthur which is likely why we popped out nearby to him and possibly why we used Excal.||

[radiant pier]

THE SONGS ARE FIREEE

Aoi you are so whimsical

NOOOOO

this is....a relic?

it's so....hilariously huge

my....loop?

[restive river]

Lmao

[restive river]

What’s a relic?

[radiant pier]

uhm

am I missing something?

the drifter knows this lady?

what am I missing exactly did I miss a quest??

is this explained later??

[lean garden]

what makes you think that?

[radiant pier]

cuz they said I know this person and the Drifter replied "it's complicated"

[lean garden]

well, how many people call drifter Kiddo

[radiant pier]

OHMYGOD

HOLY SHIT?!???

HOLY GODDAMN SHIT THAT'S CRAZY

[radiant pier]

cinema

what you said made me realize it and then immediately the scene plays out

[lean garden]

crawling in my skin

[radiant pier]

okay so they're def significantly weaker

cuz Aoi couldn't lift a car but Mag can do insane shenanigans

oh I am to choose

....heh...I did start with Mag after all, haven't played her in a month!

let's go!

[restive river]

They learnin still

[radiant pier]

are all the weapons the same level

cuz I know my burston prime wasn't even doing this much damage like FR

[restive river]

Quest weapons, just strong for fun lol

[radiant pier]

ah

but I'm able to make the AX-58 this strong without too much?

THE ZARIMAN

[restive river]

:)

The AX is still fairly strong iirc

There’s an augment mod for it that’s quite good but it’s not required

[radiant pier]

I DON'T THINK I CAN KEEP BLAMING BALLAS FOR EVERYTHING BAD

THIS DOESN'T SEEM LIKE A BALLAS MOMENT

[restive river]

Eh just blame the Orokin in general

Go back far enough and it’s always them

[ashen pulsar]

all roads lead to lua

[radiant pier]

they're

DE

no way are you making me do this

[wooden cave]

truth nuke

all roads lead to the orokin

[restive river]

Even though it wasn’t Albrecht’s intention it is kinda his fault for the mess we’re in now
Which hey, he’s doing better than most by trying to fix it

[radiant pier]

OKAY

THE HAND

OHOHOHO

I NEED TO SLEEP SOON

don't tell me that's how the story ends

[restive river]

Get some good rest :)

Don’t let the man rap tap tap your walls

[wooden cave]

what quest are u doing now

[wooden cave]

https://tenor.com/view/star-wars-k2so-k2s0-vilesoup-andor-gif-6778041771969769792

hated that questline
still do

[restive river]

Chains?

[wooden cave]

yes

despise this thing

good intro for a warframe

but like
spooky

[restive river]

Good intro for Wally too

[wooden cave]

-# and also that one "Rell" ghost that would spawn and was NIGH INVULNERABLE got on my nerves so often

[wooden cave]

true that
wally is
an interesting character
-# I say remembering a few weeks ago when they appeared on my codex table while I was looking at my star chart

-# biggest scare ever knowing she could just DO that

[restive river]

The next update will be similarly horror themed, it’s specifically post-chains content

[wooden cave]

augh
the shadowgrapher?

[restive river]

He’s quite the character yeah

Killed our parents
Gave us twofold trauma
And now he’s doing all this

[restive river]

Ye

[wooden cave]

follie better be damn worth it then

[restive river]

Follie’s name (if you remove an L) is Folie which means Madness (basically) in french

[wooden cave]

ironic

[restive river]

I’m hoping her lore will be good
Her gameplay looks mid atm but we’ve seen mid frames on stream and then they’re amazing in gameplay

[hollow kindle]

DE generally have a penchant for doing horror quite well, happy to hear this

[radiant pier]

that was amazing

THAT WAS AWESOME

[restive river]

[restive river]

You finished The Hex?

[wooden cave]

I honestly just like the idea of her frame
"warframe who uses artistry to kill enemies" is peak

[radiant pier]

YES

[restive river]

Hey guess what
||it’s not over||

[radiant pier]

DE, Y'ALL ARE EVIL FOR MAKING ME PLAY THROUGH ||ALL THEIR DEATHS||

[strange turtle]

Follie’s Follious Folly

[radiant pier]

||IT AIN'T OVER?!?||

[restive river]

Oh same, I’m just worried about her kit
Her vibes are perfect
My partner vibes with her a lot :D

[radiant pier]

||THERE'S MORE? HOW||

wait

how come I don't have The Old Peace unlocked?

I already did the hex and the lotus eaters

[twin wigeon]

Or if you remove the ie and put a y, it’s Folly which means foolishness

[radiant pier]

wait how do I get back into 1999

[restive river]

It should say what requirements there are but that’s
Odd

[radiant pier]

from my star chart

[restive river]

The PC to the right

[radiant pier]

....why would it be?

OH

[restive river]

Madness and foolishness

[radiant pier]

I DIDN'T SEE

IT'S SO HARD TO MISS

[restive river]

LOL

[radiant pier]

HOW DID I NOT SEE

IT'S LITERALLY

[twin wigeon]

Infested Pc beep boops sadly

[radiant pier]

I'm laughing so much I started coughing

[restive river]

So when you go to that PC there’s like
A thread in the bottom right-ish, it’s one of the clickables

Click on that :)

It will be called the backroom btw

[radiant pier]

LIKE BRUHHHH

[twin wigeon]

Well it’s a needle 🪡

[radiant pier]

IT'S SO HARD TO MISS

[restive river]

Yeah like this thank you lol

[twin wigeon]

Go play on ur pc :3

[radiant pier]

"to the right? do they mean in the sanctum? I should specify I'm on my orbit-"

[radiant pier]

BAM

[twin wigeon]

No on your Pom screen (infested pc thing) you’ll be able to see a map using the icons on the bottom of the menu

[radiant pier]

okay, one mission, and then I go to bed

[twin wigeon]

There’s a node that looks like needle in the bottom right corner of the map

[restive river]

To specify, not the PC itself but the map screen

[twin wigeon]

Mhm mhm

The Pc is named POM

Pom something I forget

[restive river]

Pom-2

[twin wigeon]

Pom-2!

I love it’s cute name

[restive river]

I love the “it’s not as future proof as he thought” or whatever it was comment lol

Meanwhile it basically needed a one part replacement

[twin wigeon]

Yeah

Love his comment on the bikes too

[restive river]

Which one :?

From the website or?
Idr if Loid comments on them lol

[twin wigeon]

It had to do with something about them needing to be upgraded

[restive river]

Yeah lol
Albrecht upgraded them with voidtech

[twin wigeon]

I love how that’s never elaborated on, like the ability to summon a bike from the ground

[restive river]

@radiant pier @wooden cave something for you two to check out when you can (scroll to the bottom to visit other pages)

https://www.warframe.com/en/1999/on-lyne

[twin wigeon]

House Entrati are 100% magicians

[restive river]

I always figured it was the key tbh

Since the key is def Orokin-ified

[twin wigeon]

Janus key?

[restive river]

No the Atomycycle key

[twin wigeon]

Oh

[restive river]

Hold on I’ll get the art

[twin wigeon]

Never really noticed the key?

[woven coyote]

didnt they make the actual atomicycle key for a tennocon?

[restive river]

Yes and actual merch
I have it!

[twin wigeon]

Oh!

Holy shit that’s sickkkk

[restive river]

It only appears in game once afaik, when Eleanor hands Arthur his keys

It’s def speculative and we are never shown to have one but it’d make sense that the bike can be summoned via the key

[zenith ore]

Hey guys, is this duviri thing Canon? Is it in the future or sum?

[woven coyote]

cannon and not the future

[restive river]

It’s canon and not the future

Duviri is a land made by the Drifter via conceptual embodiment, the Drifter is an alternate version of our Operator who wasn’t saved and did not get powers after their encounter with Wally

[zenith ore]

Well, thanks for the info!

[restive river]

[twin wigeon]

canon, think of duviri as part of an alternate universe

[restive river]

It’s weird cause it’s in the void too lol

[twin wigeon]

one where we the operator was never saved by lotus

[fast dew]

I mean Albrecht modified the bike with the void so maybe its that

[radiant pier]

HOW ARE YOU MESNT TO KILL THIS TANK

[twin wigeon]

lmao

theres uhhhh 8 green weakpoints on its sides and top

[restive river]

Not quite no, one where they were never saved in general from the Zariman
Also you’re thinking of Margulis not Lotus

[twin wigeon]

yes thats what

[restive river]

Weak points

[radiant pier]

THE SPIDER TANK

[zenith ore]

Look at his legs

[twin wigeon]

oh the spider has pustules that need popping

they grow on the body and the legs

they have object based health iirc so yeah

[radiant pier]

WHAT DO I DO WHEN ITS GOT A GRAY HEALTH BAR

[twin wigeon]

defend the spider from incoming techrot

[fast dew]

Woe

[twin wigeon]

holy infodump thomas

[zenith ore]

Which one are you talking about exactly

[fast dew]

:33c

[twin wigeon]

the infested tank

[zenith ore]

Ah

[twin wigeon]

spider

[fast dew]

I am. The entrati guy

We also had AscLoid in the ARG

[woven coyote]

dont let the other enemies get to it or they will heal the tank

[twin wigeon]

mhm mhm

[fast dew]

Which i think is cute

[radiant pier]

PERHAPS I SHOULD STOP MELEEING IT

[twin wigeon]

ehhhh

[radiant pier]

OK I'LL BUILD A GOOD PRIMARY AND THEN COME BACK TO THIS

[radiant pier]

OMKE

chemistry available?

that was such a cool quest to go down, how do I actually finish the quest tho? the old peace is still not unlocked? do I have to reach max standing with the 1999 crew? or like what....is it written anywhere and I'm just bl-WHO THE HELL IS THAT

DID WE ALWAYS GET THE INDIFFERENCE ON OUR SHIP?

[twin wigeon]

who the hell is what :3

[strange turtle]

You reach Rank 3 with them, doing bounties and KIMs to raise Chemistry, then interact with Kalymos in the Backroom to start the second half of the quest

[twin wigeon]

Say hi to wally for me

[radiant pier]

this might take 2 weeks

I still gotta do the Deimos stuff to get the helminth so I can start subsuming frames

perhaps I should let valkyr rest for the moment while I actually go and build properly

RIGHT, THE AGENDA FOR THE NEXT 2 WEEKS

[twin wigeon]

valkyr steak 🥩

[restive river]

[restive river]

How do you like your Valkyr?

[dark compass]

Peeled

[twin wigeon]

😟

[restive river]

Ah the Alad special

[dark compass]

A man who survived 4 murder attempts cannot have a bad taste

[restive river]

You’re right, it’s not bad
It’s horrendous

If he lives any longer he might start acting like an Orokin

[dark compass]

Lost his taste buds to the infestation

[radiant pier]

he really needs to die

[restive river]

Bro survived the New War
Idk what could kill that roach of a man

[stiff beacon]

Toss him in a waffle house

[dark compass]

He survived a Tenno assassination, becoming part of the infested, a Tenno assassination after becoming sort of the infested, and then survived New War

Geniune cockroach

Not to mention an encounter with Wolf

And acolytes

[restive river]

Yeah how is bro still breathing 😭

Better plot armor than us

[pine thistle]

Put him in front of Nitokh if she’s alive

That’s how you get rid of Alad

0 chance he survives an encounter with an Orokin executor

He’ll say something idiotic and be slaughtered

[restive river]

I hope she isn’t tbh

I really hope that if we have her as a future villain that she isn’t a protoframe 😭

I don’t want her to be one in general tbh
Redeeming Roathe was a tad stretch but sure yeah
Redeeming an executor? Romancing one even?
No.

[pine thistle]

Hunhow and Stalker were our supreme enemies at one point and look how that went

The main irredeemable person was Ballas, and he got his

Do I think we’d romance her? No. Hell no. But I want her as proto-Garuda.

[restive river]

Literally different lol

[fast dew]

I don't see why Albrecht would proto her

[restive river]

Stalker and Hunhow weren’t part of the Seven and they’re no where near as terrible as Nitokh

[fast dew]

Albrecht isnt doing this shit for the sake of it

[pine thistle]

Yeah, they both have more reason to hate us than Nitokh would. She wanted the rest of the Orokin dead herself LOL, we did her job for her. She ought to thank us for that

[restive river]

She probably would

[fast dew]

Doesnt mean she wouldnt kill us after thanking us

[restive river]

Stalker being a villain was more understandable
Even Hunhow to an extent (him killing civilians wasn’t cool but he did just want his people to be free, it’s a gray area)
But any member of the Seven is not redeemable

[fast dew]

I also don't think we could get a proud orokin like herself to thank a lower class like us

[restive river]

Also if she’s a villain then I doubt we’d get her as a skin

[restive river]

She’d probably thank us in passing and it’s def with spite behind it

[fast dew]

Theres several reasons as to why we wouldn't or shouldn't

[fast dew]

She'd say it in the most vindictive, vitriolic way

Perhaps she would be jealous.

[strange plinth]

i think she'd be pretty mad at us for doing what she wanted to
she wanted control over the empire after, but the proposal wasn't "let's take over", it was "let's kill them all"

[pine thistle]

I don’t she’d romance us nor do I want that as an option. She’d make an even poorer bedfellow than Ballas and the thought of that man in my bed is already repulsive.

No. She would need to be kept far away from us.

She’s deranged

I don’t want someone even more bloodthirsty than the Operator

[fast dew]

Yeah, which makes it laughable to consider Albrecht being able to proto her

What? The operator isnt. Bloodthirsty

[pine thistle]

Not always

That Tauron incident certaintly was something though

[fast dew]

I wouldn't call it bloodthirsty, tbh

[strange plinth]

one big incident, yes, when they were angry and then egged on by wally

[fast dew]

That was a angry, hurt child

[strange turtle]

"We'll put an end to this Corpus greed."

[pine thistle]

Poor Daklo

Bro got blown into smithereens

[fast dew]

He was a bigot and probably survived after regardless

[strange turtle]

You can not be deadass Ayatan

[fast dew]

Cephalons arent stored in the little robot bodies they got

[strange turtle]

https://youtu.be/8o0o0cBparw

[fast dew]

Unless we break the physical glass body, which is likely not even anywhere near tau, he wouldn't have died

[pine thistle]

Then what happened to Archimedian Otak

[strange plinth]

i'm still really curious why we were given the option to blow daklo up
just for fun? the choice can't matter, it was a memory sequence, nothing would change

[fast dew]

... he got glassed and he had his glass cube messed with from the infestation

[restive river]

We did have our best friend die, got lied to and were egged on by whatever the heck Wally is
To be fair

[pine thistle]

Honestly Ballas was smart for getting out while the getting out was going on

I truly think we’d have slaughtered him where he stood if he was in that room

Bro was probably like “hell no”

[restive river]

He survives regardless so I think it’s more so
How do you treat the bigot who’s suddenly sorry

[pine thistle]

“Margulis you handle this”

[fast dew]

He likely left the moment he saw the ayatan ceremony

[restive river]

Yeah probably tbh

[strange plinth]

'pieces are in place, i don't need to be here when that kicks off'

[restive river]

I don’t think he knew it was us but iirc all Uriels were destroyed
But even if he did Margulis protected us anyway

[pine thistle]

He was probably on the first solar rail all the way back to Lua thinking about it

Dude prob wasn’t even in the same system

[restive river]

Pluto

[fast dew]

He's smart, just. Emotionally stupid

[restive river]

The rails are between Tau and Pluto specifically
Ik it’s semantics :p

[strange plinth]

he might have to be in tau for the little speech he does, but he's probably not sticking around for long after that

[restive river]

There was an assassination attempt on his life so like
Yeah bro prob left as soon as he could

[strange turtle]

Tbf those are Junctions and not the whole Rail system itself

[pine thistle]

Assassination attempt was by Anarchs wasn’t it?

So that was Nitokh

[restive river]

Yup

[pine thistle]

Absolute bare minimum veil of plausible deniability that woman did not give a shit

“Well technically it wasn’t me”

[restive river]

But you need the junction to use the rail so like
Gotta go pluto-side to get to Tau

[fast dew]

Wonder if the entrati had much to do with building the Rail

[restive river]

Maybe in the beginning but once they nailed it it could just be replicated

[strange turtle]

Unless it is separate, they don’t exactly specify to distinguish between the Junctions and Rail normally, let alone with this, so for all we know it could be a separate network like an intercontinental rail’d be

[chrome rivet]

Can someone explain to me why Ballas ruined the Truce with the Sentients?

[fast dew]

Mm, much like the fingers n the reliquary drive, probably.

[restive river]

Cause the Orokin wanted Tau for themselves

[pine thistle]

I’m left wondering if Tormis said something to piss off the Sentients before he came back considering his was the only ship to make it there and back in one piece before the war started.

Either that or he didn’t come back at all and was replaced by a mimic

[strange turtle]

Well yeah but usually you don’t specify when taking a train trip that crosses multiple junctions, unless you’re hopping to a different line/train altogether

[restive river]

He flexed too hard and they got mad /j

[restive river]

Yeah ig

[fast dew]

Wasn't the ship made of gilderglass? Perhaps they couldn't do anything to it because of what it was made out of

[pine thistle]

Why would he give the all clear then if there was something off

Either that or he really wasn’t paying attention

[fast dew]

Because? And mimics didnt exist by that point iirc

[strange turtle]

That was the name of the Orokin warship

[restive river]

Mimics didn’t exist til Natah iirc

[pine thistle]

Because?

[woven coyote]

that's just the ships name

[strange turtle]

Gilderglass Enchantress

[fast dew]

Because

1. Orokin be dumb
2. The sentients might’ve not actually noticed him
3. Or they did and they didn’t realise

[restive river]

I can see Tormis getting there, thinking things are fine and in the time between him leaving and the next ship going the Sentients realized
Hey
Wait a minute
We want this as our home

[strange turtle]

Lotus/Natah was the first Mimic, the Mimic Queen

[pine thistle]

Tormis has to be more dumb than Karishh if he saw a bunch of angry Sentients and thought it prudent to say all is well

[strange turtle]

Wait nvm thats not what you meant

[restive river]

We don’t know if they were angry yet

[fast dew]

We don't know anything about Tormis

[strange turtle]

Also they could just, hide it

[restive river]

They coulda been chill and then had the realization

[fast dew]

He very well could've been the complete opposite and be super chill

Perhaps he was a himbo and truely didn't realise

[restive river]

I could also see them not wanting to attack one of the Seven outright just cause that might cause even bigger immediate problems but
Eh

[restive river]

Evil himbo

He doesn’t know any better but in a bad way

[strange turtle]

Like, subterfuge isn’t so advanced of a concept that it’d take them ages to develop that and realise “hey maybe we shouldn’t just tell these guys with way more weapons and BS tech and our built-in weakness that we want to kill them”

[restive river]

Considering how old he is though he had to have been at least a little smart

[fast dew]

Hes ignorant and refuses to educate himself, i get it

[pine thistle]

I say Karishh is dumb because this fool thought it wise to be feasting himself full in front a bunch of hungry starving peasants while his Empire was actively crumbling and his people were being hunted.

Clearly can’t be the mark of a smart guy

[restive river]

Maybe Tormis was a nepo baby

[fast dew]

The orokin are a lot smarter than the average person, but they're not too emotionally smart

[restive river]

He also decided to graft on more stomachs instead of like
Doing anything else??

[restive river]

Very passionate and smart class of people
But complete morons where it counts

[pine thistle]

Bro’s sin was definitely gluttony

[strange turtle]

“I could’ve fixed him”
“No you couldn’t Roathe”
“Well, I could’ve tried”

[pine thistle]

No one can tell me otherwise

Karishh is the definition of a glutton

[restive river]

Oh for sure

He’s the reason the seven deadly sins theory even exists lol

[fast dew]

Out of touch but they still try to interact with normal humans to. Varying success. Albrecht n Loid being the best known result

[pine thistle]

Apparently Ballas loved Margulis

[fast dew]

He probably did

[restive river]

Legit for a little bit at least

Turned rotten fast is my guess

[fast dew]

Was it a healthy affection? Unlikely, but he still did

[restive river]

Albrecht’s an outlier tbh

[pine thistle]

Albrecht and Loid is the best result

[restive river]

Albrecht wasn’t afraid of touching “peasants”

Source: his arm

[fast dew]

I think why their relationship worked is cus of how. Pathetic Albrecht was.

[restive river]

It helps he’s not terrible in general, at most he’s honestly just neglectful

[fast dew]

He was genuinely such a low ranking orokin that his autonomy could be disregarded and forced into marriage

He didn't really have. Power to use