lore-discussion

[storm wharf]

still

goes kinda hard

[fast dew]

YEAHHHHHH LETS GO
https://www.warframe.com/en/the-shadowgrapher#qol

HES SO CUTE LOOOOOK

I can now add my good and true and totally real father to my shrine

This will be. Awesome.

[glass sluice]

"loid, otak, and.....loid"
Okay that's pretty funny.

[fast dew]

I wonder what the lines on human Loid's face are for

Thats a unique thing to his floof

[tall echo]

It's just stitching

[silk atlas]

Lines?

[fast dew]

The black stitching on his face, its. Weird

Also great. After I finish 3 commissions with Loid, I learn his eyebrows are apparently the colour as the sides of his beard

[fast dew]

Why would it be there though? None of the floofs have it

Mm. Arthur has it. And only arthur. Aoi has it kinda on one side maybe?

[glass sluice]

he 100% dyes it.

[fast dew]

But even then, it matches the skintone

[fast dew]

They're blonde ingame and grey on the floof 💔

I wonder what sad ass quotes the floofs will have

The Bird 3 one killed me

[glass sluice]

"leave me in a basement for 10, 000 years and ill still want to date you"

[fast dew]

Shot me in the back of the head

[fast dew]

I choose to believe an Albrecht floof will be out by Tau

They cannot make one without the other. Unless........

I will predict we get uh. Loid convos

[glass sluice]

Loid, you need to set a higher standard for yourself. Find someone who will stay in the same millenia as you.

[fast dew]

Idk feels like something they'll add

[fast dew]

Well, they are both pretty bad people, so they can be bad together!

[restive river]

Gonna make em kiss

https://tenor.com/view/unicorn-tangled-kiss-toy-serious-gif-17332913

[fast dew]

I will.

[fast dew]

Me core

[restive river]

That gif is just you

[fast dew]

It is

[restive river]

He needs to find someone who’s not Orokin

[fast dew]

Once I find some form of way to properly exercise and once I can get my T script renewed, ill be on my way to it

[restive river]

[fast dew]

This is. A opinion

[How scary]

But. I feel as if. Changing who Loid loves bastardises the point of the end of whispers

[glass sluice]

Man needs some serious me-time to get out of the toxic relationship he's in.

[restive river]

Not really, that love was still real

[glass sluice]

I volunteer to take him on a spa day.

[restive river]

If he moved on that doesn’t mean that that love just
Is meaningless
It just means he’s moved on

[fast dew]

Its one of Loid's motivations, yk? I wouldn't see why they'd change it to fit something later on

Though. With the abysmal writing of the triad, I suppose I can't trust DE to not do it

[glass sluice]

As someone who used to be in a relationship like that, I still 100% loved her, but I know I'm a better person once I realised the damage it was causing.

[fast dew]

Also is it. Bad of me to say loid kinda deserves it?

[restive river]

Yeah uh
Loid can still love him and likely still will even once/if Albrecht is gone
And while Albrecht is one of his motivations, it’s not the only one

[glass sluice]

No one deserves a toxic relationship. It's not a punishment.

[fast dew]

It. Feels to me how it feels to have your drifter date Roathe yk? Like sure it can happen but its.

Weird.

[restive river]

If this ends with Albrecht dying or disappearing forever then I’d prefer Loid try to move on at the very least
Albrecht will always be in his heart
Their time together will always have been
But Loid deserves better

[restive river]

Roathe deserves toxic Drifters who rationalize dating an Orokin

[fast dew]

I think he can move on, but i don't see a way they could write him being attracted to another person after being so devoted to Albrecht

[glass sluice]

Genuinely not trying to make a joke out of them, I understand you were going for a joke though :p

[fast dew]

That and he never and I dont think he can leave deimos

[restive river]

I can lmao

[restive river]

I was yeah lol
I really don’t like that you can date Roathe and I really don’t like how. Terrible Drifter can be

[restive river]

He absolutely can, he just won’t anytime soon for a variety of reasons
Top one being
We at war

Loid isn’t tethered to Deimos like the family and we have teleportation tech so like
We could get him out

[fast dew]

Which won't ever change, unless you mean the war against wally

Im. Also unsure on how his immune system will fair lmao

[glass sluice]

I like to remember that Drifter isn't Operator, they are their own person.
Drifter was alone for so long, that they have an entirely different set of morals and directions to the Operator.

[restive river]

The void war arc will end somehow, I doubt he’ll go away as a problem but it could be manageable enough that Loid could
Idk
Go on vacation?

[fast dew]

Go hang out with ticker and have fun Loid

[restive river]

Oh for sure but Drifter is still very much aware of how terrible the Orokin are

With what they know it makes no sense for them to date Roathe

[glass sluice]

Correct, they both grew up the same way, it was the "choice" that separated them.

[restive river]

Roathe is only datable cause Rebb likes her pretty boy

[nocturne plover]

Love how Roathe calls the Operator an “it” and when the Drifter is like “they’re not an “it””, Roathe argues that ERM YES THEY ARE BECAUSE I SAID SO

[fast dew]

Cus hes a weak ass mf who wont say it to the kid's face

[glass sluice]

Fun fact: Rebb had no say in Roathe's design, outside of "he's an Orokin".

[fast dew]

He is a coward

[nocturne plover]

I need a canon interaction between Operator and Roathe where they roast him /hj

[glass sluice]

@nocturne plover with an Ignis?

[nocturne plover]

That too

[fast dew]

Kuva ghoulsaw his ass avantus style

[restive river]

I would like the source on this cause uh
She is the creative director lol

[nocturne plover]

“Ew, the Operator”
“Ew, an old man”
“I’m going to crash out”

[restive river]

Operator calling Roathe an old man is legendary omg

[glass sluice]

@restive river She did an interview with, I think his name is "end20" or something, she spoke about quite a lot. A few days ago it happened.

[fast dew]

ENDY

Yeah hes cool

[restive river]

If I have time I’ll check the interview

[fast dew]

The whole archive likes him. He's very lore aware

[nocturne plover]

It would be so dang funny

[glass sluice]

It's nearly an hour of Rebb talking, which is honestly just great on its own.

[restive river]

Well he did do a lore specific playthrough lol

[glass sluice]

He's a good interviewer, I'd love to have him sit down with some more game devs like that.

[fast dew]

Yeah but even then, how much shit did he get immediately instead of. The mess some people have

[restive river]

I have a backlog of things I need to watch but I’ll add that to the list lol

[fast dew]

Tbf lore videos do not help anyone but hell

[restive river]

True lmao

Didn’t he guess what was up with Lotus ahead of time :?

[nocturne plover]

And idk I think roathe being a romanceable character is alright; he clearly thinks (and wants) to change for the better. The way the Drifter helps him regain his memories can also be a good way for them to build chemistry anyways so

[glass sluice]

My first interaction with him was the interview, and then I clipped through a Devstream 193 watch-along.

[fast dew]

He calls a grineer [vor, but still] a slur, regardless of what ending.

Idk doesnt seem like wanting to change to me

[nocturne plover]

Yeah he’s still got a long way to go

[glass sluice]

found it, it was Megan too, for the record. But Reb kinda dominates any convo without really meaning to.
https://youtu.be/scNiWdIAUZQ?si=dYkMr5COYhGS9FHX

[nocturne plover]

drifter should slap him for that regardless

[restive river]

Maybe it’s just cause it’s been a bit but I do not get the vibe he wants to change for the better
Also
He is still an Orokin and Drifter is very much so aware of them
While I have zero issue with us helping him to be better I do not see how Drifter would ever date an Orokin
They are
Incredibly toxic

[fast dew]

So. You dont date a classist regardless 😭 hes one wrong move from calling us that

[restive river]

Every example of a relationship between an Orokin and anyone has been some of the most toxic things ever, Loid and Albrecht being the least toxic

[nocturne plover]

Orokin society was problematic but there are instances of Orokin being decent people (Margulis for example)

[restive river]

She wasn’t an Orokin buddy :p

[nocturne plover]

She wasn’t??

[restive river]

There is no instances of the Orokin being decent people

[fast dew]

And i think that Loid's and Albrecht's relationship can get better if they actually sit down and talk.

[restive river]

No! She was just a scientist for the Orokin

[fast dew]

Like grown ass adults they are

[nocturne plover]

Wait so what makes someone orokin

[restive river]

Part of the society but not part of that caste

[pale cedar]

She didn't marry Ballas thus didn't get a chance at moving up

[fast dew]

Its a caste, you're born or marry into it.

Or, in rare cases, be offered it

[restive river]

And she didn’t marry into it, she was with Ballas but they never tied the knot

[nocturne plover]

OHHH okay. I thought Orokin was an evolved race of human

[fast dew]

Nah

[restive river]

Nope

They’re normal humans just enhanced by tech and kept immortal through body hopping

[fast dew]

They just liked being blue with long arms

[pale cedar]

That's the good ending

[fast dew]

Which even then, not all did

[nocturne plover]

gotcha gotcha

[restive river]

Every Orokin is factually a murderer due to said body hopping

[fast dew]

It doesnt need to be blue either

[nocturne plover]

so yeah in that case orokin are pretty problematic

[restive river]

Yeah, now you see why I have an issue with Drifter dating Roathe lol

[glass sluice]

I feel like the word "problematic" is not strong enough for this situation.

[fast dew]

I agree, but also.

We do murder a lot of people ourselves

So. Maybe thats the justification drifter has

[nocturne plover]

yeah that’s putting it lightly

[glass sluice]

The guy at the corner store referring to me as the lesbian slur was "problematic"
murdering a series of people over hundreds of years to live forever is a little more.

[restive river]

I will say it looks like Roathe never did continuity entirely willingly, so that’s something for him
But we only know about like. 2 of his continuities and he very likely did more than 2

[nocturne plover]

but I’m also a Roathe enjoyer so

[restive river]

🫂

[pale cedar]

Every faction in Warframe is factually a murderer or whatever you'd call assisting a murderer

[restive river]

Eh there’s a difference

[fast dew]

Id argue killing grineer who had no choice in the matter is pretty bad

[glass sluice]

"I accidentally tripped and soul-murdered this idk, probably child, help me step-Drifter"

[nocturne plover]

one is a very real instance of bigotry while the other is fiction

[fast dew]

How many sentients did we kill when we went ballistic and went off to kill ballas?

[restive river]

The Orokin used continuity out of necessity at first but it turned rotten, they just did it to do it and to live longer

The Tenno kill to save innocent lives

They are not the same thing

[storm wharf]

I will say my opinion on the Orokin and the Yuvan ritual is mixed

Like i definitely think there are people in history that it would have been worth sacrificing a life to keep around for a few more decades

But the orokin clearly abused their immortality

[pale cedar]

A whole murex worth

[nocturne plover]

murder is murder regardless of the reasoning behind it

[fast dew]

One could argue there's noble intentions behind any murder

[restive river]

It started out as people sacrificing themselves so humanity could live on, so the work could continue from what I gathered
But as you said it turned rotten

The moment they started using children it def started rotting

[storm wharf]

Yeah

Absolute power corrupts absolutely, as the saying goes

[pale cedar]

Also, we didn't even stop at the murex it seems we wiped out the entire fleet active there

[storm wharf]

I mean to be clear

[glass sluice]

I'm sure the murdered person is fine with it if it's of noble intentions.

[restive river]

Idk the Tenno murder individuals and groups who threaten life and freedom for those who cannot protect themselves
It’s morally gray for sure but it’s better than the Orokin body snatching children for fun.

[storm wharf]

The sentients we hit in that rampage

They were screwed anyways let’s be real

The war was back on and they were easily within range of orokin guns

[fast dew]

Yeah. But we still killed them

[storm wharf]

Murder is murder but not all killing is murder is the thing lol

[fast dew]

I mean

[glass sluice]

It's easy to claim nobility when you are the one left alive.

[fast dew]

It would be 2nd degree murder

[storm wharf]

That’s why there’s terms for different kinds

[pale cedar]

Ballas is the reason we killed the Orokin

[storm wharf]

We aren’t prosecuting soldiers

[restive river]

I mean we are def committing many a murder lol
We just have more of a reason behind it than “ooh I like this body”

[fast dew]

It was a intentional violent act with intent to harm, but no premeditation

It wouldnt be murder if it was manslaughter

Which. Even then

[pale cedar]

Is it murder if they come back each loop anyway

[fast dew]

Thats only in a legal context

[glass sluice]

Murdering someone in gameplay terms is an entirely different thing than murdering them as a choice in a story.
what's that one term that everyone hates using but often fits. Ludonarrative dissonance.

[storm wharf]

That’s my point lol, there’s levels to ending life

Like I said we don’t prosecute soldiers coming back from war

[pale cedar]

I doubt we have even killed gameplay stats levels of numbers lorewise

[restive river]

I mean lore-wise we have just slain entire ships worth of enemies

[fast dew]

No, but we prosecute those who harmed innocents in their recklessness. Like we do. I cannot imagine how many non-combatants are on a corpus ship we sabotage

[restive river]

The Tenno are like uh
Batman if he dropped the no kill rule

Totally

[nocturne plover]

I think what is considered murder depends on perspective, as in, if you’re a grineer and your buddies are being murdered by the Tenno, you’ll think it’s unjust because you as a grineer probably believe that you are just defending yourself/fighting for the grineer queens. You’d think killing the Tenno is justified

It’s still killing people regardless

[pale cedar]

Grineer eat each other

[fast dew]

Not willingly

[restive river]

Fighting for your life or for the lives of others is more justifiable than continuity by a mile

[fast dew]

Im not sure if half of the grineer can even hear

[restive river]

It’s kinda willingly, they do it to honor them but also to not waste food

[nocturne plover]

corpus believe profit is everything so if you’re a run of the mill corpus soldier you’ll probably think fighting back is justified

[pale cedar]

Grineer have 0 visual field

[glass sluice]

Our stated goal is to create "balance". What those ships of enemies do when we're not there is so horrific, that honestly the Lotus probably has to hold us back from going further. We work as a strike team, we do not have the numbers for all-out war.

[fast dew]

Most corpus arent. Soldiers is an issue ive seen

Surely the giant ass ships we destroy arent just full of soldiers

[storm wharf]

The Tenno are the lotus’s hit squad if we are being super real

Like yeah she’s doing good for humanity. But I’m suspicious about the fact that we have no rogue Tenno under her watch, which leads me to believe some of our orokin brainwashing and or parental peer pressure may still be in effect

[restive river]

Hence why we could never demolish one side entirely, it’s a balancing act!

[nocturne plover]

yeah that too

[glass sluice]

Literally, yeah.

[nocturne plover]

“Soldier” in the loosest way possible

[pale cedar]

Lotus and her child soldiers

[glass sluice]

Invasions are a good example.

[restive river]

Probably parental peer pressure since she’s our second adoptive mother and the first one did some crazy manipulation with the whole
Sealing memories thing

[storm wharf]

Exactly

[restive river]

Margulis was not a good person lol

[pale cedar]

Lotus truly still has some Orokin-level programming in her

[fast dew]

Yeah thats another thing I see folk gloss over

Margulis would never do anything that sucks! No way!

[storm wharf]

Like tell me why not one Tenno went “hey I’m like literally a one man army what’s stopping me from ruling the peasants”

[fast dew]

The lotus wont do anything that sucks! No way!

[restive river]

She held Ballas’ hand that one time
That was pretty awful ngl

[storm wharf]

That comic was before they got the full juice if I recall

[restive river]

Probably because the Tenno have basic human empathy

[glass sluice]

Lotus is our guiding voice, she's our moral compass.

[fast dew]

I. Was gonna say whatever the hell she hoped to achieve by telling Loid that letting the tenno continue was the only possible way to ever find his lover

[storm wharf]

Sure but every Tenno

[restive river]

Amir dies to a bullet lol

[storm wharf]

Every single traumatized child

[restive river]

Yeah, empathy is how we control the frames so well

[glass sluice]

I bet you Lotus is able to turn off the Orbiter's life support from afar if a tenno ever went power-crazy.

[storm wharf]

…you know that’s a good point I hadn’t considered

[fast dew]

You kinda lose that once you start acting like the orokin

[glass sluice]

"i got plenty of kids. Bring out the 7435th Ordis".

[storm wharf]

Tenno do be on that empath lifestyle

[restive river]

I would like to see a rogue Tenno eventually but I think it’s an unlikely thing cause
Big shared trauma
Basic human empathy

[fast dew]

Shout out to the time Albrecht stabbed arthur. How he did that was. Impressive. Didnt know bro carried a blade on him

[pale cedar]

Was Rell ever on the Empathy lifestyle?

[storm wharf]

Omni man

“What’s another defense objective defrosted??”

[glass sluice]

yeah when your basis for what happens when you go wrong is the Orokin, you don't ever want to go down that path.

[restive river]

He was on the “I need to seal away this ancient eldritch entity asap” lifestyle
So uh
Kinda??

[fast dew]

Empathy is a notoriously hard thing for certain autistic folk. Its... a interesting pattern

[storm wharf]

No but we find out from Lyon that Rell was every Harrows sleep paralysis demon

[silk atlas]

The Tenno already have enough problems and they're so consistently on the backfoot in terms of control that I don't even think infighting would be an issue or else they'd just crumble in on itself the moment enemies find a crumb of weakness.

[restive river]

Yeah that too, the Tenno have seen what being like the Orokin is like and they do not like it

[storm wharf]

Across space and time

[restive river]

And when we do infight it’s in the dojo lol

[glass sluice]

Honestly, of all the questions we could have about the lore, "why don't the tenno turn moustache twirlingly evil" is not one of them.

[restive river]

That’s just the infestation doing its funky thing

[fast dew]

Throwing my feral operator at someone

[pale cedar]

Operator should've Void Beamed Ballas out of the sky when they had the chance

[restive river]

Tbh I can see the Drifter being “evil” before the Operator
They got some issues

[fast dew]

My operator is evil as shit she likes the texture of water

[restive river]

Growing up in the void was not helpful

[restive river]

Cold or warm water

[fast dew]

Cold water.

[pale cedar]

Growing up in Warframe is not helpful

[fast dew]

Shes the opposite of me yk

[storm wharf]

My jaw dropped when I found out the infested is fourth dimensional

It’s such a unique take on the hive mind Flood style infection because the infested has an actually interesting reason why it wants to consume everything; so all creatures can see how it sees

[fast dew]

I like warm water. Its. Thinner?

[restive river]

Eh that’s fine, nice cool water is nice :)

[storm wharf]

Both is good

[fast dew]

I drink warm water.

Luke warm water. Hot water.

[restive river]

It just wants to share its gift :)

[fast dew]

If it doesnt hurt me id drink straight out of the damn kettle

[storm wharf]

And have their nonbinary David Bowie

[glass sluice]

Maaaaaaaybe, but honestly I don't see it. They went through the full rotation of the grieving process in Duviri, and came out zen the other side.

[restive river]

We got 3 hiveminds now
Infested, the best one
Mushroom(?) I still am not sure how the shrooms work
And Sentients with their fragments

[glass sluice]

"the full wheel", as they say.

[restive river]

They love nonbinary David Bowie!

[fast dew]

Do you mean ziggy stardust-
-# dies

We have non binary bowie its his character? Persona? Ziggy

[restive river]

True, but they are capable of actively manipulating the protos with the whole resetting their minds via the infestation thing

[glass sluice]

I love warframe David Bowie's "I'm afraid of the Orokin".

[storm wharf]

“We desire to consume all, to share our gift”

-# “also we like this one please make them love us”

[restive river]

And then it hits ya with the “:3”

[glass sluice]

Actually this comes up in the Kim's, and they address it.

[pale cedar]

Did Operator remember hating Ballas despite the second nerf?

[storm wharf]

We love Lizzie here

[restive river]

🍿

[restive river]

I dont have a popcorn eating emote so this makes due

[glass sluice]

Is there a reason you posted that?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/good-night-cat-lizz-lizzy-gif-8241235136729564068

Fitting

[restive river]

I use the popcorn eating emote to be like
I’m sittin down and listening lol

[pale cedar]

Lizzie made Flare eat tyres

[glass sluice]

oooh, yeah traditionally it's used as a sort of "I'm ready to enjoy watching an argument" thing.

[restive river]

Ye

[glass sluice]

has pretty negative connotations on discord.

[fast dew]

And other items

[restive river]

Oh does it, that’s not why I use it
Sorry ):

[glass sluice]

lol all g

When it's Flare's birthday, you can ask Lizzie what else she ate. It's pretty hilarious.

Also, I love that her and El' have private jokes.

[fast dew]

Flare was invited to a girls night, though. So was amir i think

[restive river]

Honorarily one of the girls

[fast dew]

Or was it quincy?

[glass sluice]

I think it was Arthur saying something like "She keeps laughing with her at something none uf us can hear"

[fast dew]

Cue the glitch where he ends up with i believe Eleanor's makeup

[pale cedar]

I want a Warframe with heat vision

[storm wharf]

Aoi references inviting him to movie night with Eleanor and Lettie lol

[glass sluice]

we all know Amir is dating the atomicycle.

[fast dew]

.... the atomicycle

[storm wharf]

“A chick flick would be so fun! Amir can come too-“

[fast dew]

I wonder of Albrecht made him one

Or just saw that he liked to run and went "no point"

[storm wharf]

I think atomys are just commercially available

[pale cedar]

He did but Amir destroyed it

[glass sluice]

youve never seen the animation?

[fast dew]

Nah, Albrecht modified these

[storm wharf]

Hollvania has a lot of super advanced tech

[fast dew]

OH YEAH

[restive river]

That ain’t a glitch
That’s a feature

[fast dew]

Nup, Albrecht added. Uh. Shit to it. Void mainly

[glass sluice]

DE made it as a series of "alternate kisses". I think Kaya and Drifter, and I forget who it was but one of them made out with a human-looking Kubrow.

[fast dew]

Go my old ass man complain about lcd

[restive river]

I love how advanced they were for 1999
Especially since they decided
Y’know what
Televisions everywhere lol

Iirc there’s a TV in a bench
Or maybe it was a speaker idk

[pale cedar]

Albrecht both likes and hates old tech

[glass sluice]

They had TV's in benches in 1999.
source: I was there.

[storm wharf]

It sounds like hollvania was a super tech land

Because their guns are better than some orokin ones lol

[fast dew]

Hes like me when it comes to his insufferable ass!

[restive river]

Yup lol

[storm wharf]

The Virgin orokin lato

The chad 1999 tech Vesper

[fast dew]

I wish I could hate him more

[restive river]

Oh fun thing
One of the Scaldra weapons has a recipe for the goo they use

It’s made of infested pieces

[storm wharf]

Of course it is lol

[glass sluice]

You really need to get your Incarnon.

[fast dew]

But admittedly this is kinda funny. Hes a hater

[storm wharf]

Oh no I have a lato incarnon and riven even

I’m just talking base stats lol

[fast dew]

Wheres. Wheres the benevolently

What do you mean my favourite Albrecht quote is "(benevolently)"

[pale cedar]

Does Albrecht even know what Benevolence is?

[fast dew]

Well. He might have. A warped view considering what those bikes can do

He does take into consideration the style for each hex member

... for morale

Once again, we aren't supposed to be reading these, so we can take them as his unfiltered opinions and thoughts

[storm wharf]

damn this is a very anti Albrecht server huh, man can’t be Machiavellian in peace

[fast dew]

I am. One of the least murder Albrecht for his crimes out here

[glass sluice]

"isn't that what you add to your coffee?"

[fast dew]

Because he deserves to face the consequences

Dying is allowing him to martyr himself

[storm wharf]

If you told me the orokin found a way to extract human kindness and drink it I’d believe you lol

[fast dew]

Considering he stole a coffee machine

[fast dew]

Yeah its in milk bro

Dont you know?

[glass sluice]

@storm wharf the orokin heard the phrase "milk of human kindness" and took it way too literally.

[pale cedar]

I might warp his face with a bullet benevolently

[storm wharf]

Strong fallout 4 vibes

[glass sluice]

Him being a martyr, implies that someone out there beyond Loid would care.

[fast dew]

Nah they stopped drinking milk cus the cows are dead

[fast dew]

ITS NOT FROM FALLOUT 4

[fast dew]

... his family does care, despite everything

And care doesnt necessarily mean like

[glass sluice]

I mean cool, but that's one group of people above a basement, and 1 guy inside it. I'm cool with them being sad.

[fast dew]

Im sure the others will be pissed

Ehh

[glass sluice]

To be also fair: Drifter has no emotional attachment to that family, it's the Operator that does.

[fast dew]

Id rather not see the family go through hell again. It would be really bad if they just killed off Loid though

[glass sluice]

Has the Drifter even actively met them there, or been to Deimos?

[fast dew]

Oh yeah. This dude? The dude you grew attached to? He's dead. Lol :)

Feels like something my brain would make me anxious over

[fast dew]

Mm. Unsure. Though if mother realised im sure she'd be a little excited if she even remembered writing Duviri or anything

[glass sluice]

I think Drifter might want to kill her for writing that, depending on their mood swing for the day.

[fast dew]

I would be far more scared for drifter than mother

[glass sluice]

it depends where you are in the KiM's, but drifter has drastically different responses to their thoughts of that place.

[fast dew]

Tbf if drifter lashed out at her for it. It would make them a pretty shitty person

She had no hand in the executions, or the embodiment of Duviri

[glass sluice]

It doesn't really matter if it's her fault or not, when you are experiencing chronic pain like the Drifter is in at least 1 conversation, you have very little sympathy for anyone even slightly around you, much less someone who your addled brain can put blame on with any kind of legitimacy.

I honestly don't think she'd blame the Drifter, and would try to help them through it.

[fast dew]

Eh. I mean

My chronic pain was caused by my sister and I don't blame her for it, she couldn't have known it would happen

A lot of shit was caused by that woman

[glass sluice]

It's all down to personal opinion, but millennia of what was basically torture will leave someone beyond apathy, like the Drifter is.
They're zen now, so no they wouldn't lash out. But I'd hardly blame them for it.

[fast dew]

Differing opinions on it, true

[storm wharf]

I know but taking it literally like that is lol

[fast dew]

Given the pain seems to have been from repeated physical trauma i like to believe its fibro like me

[restive river]

They’ve been to Deimos yeah

They have to get to the labs so like

[fast dew]

Tbf the entrati are sleeping a lot

[restive river]

Fair tbh

I’d sleep a lot too in their situation

[fast dew]

Mother is the type of woman who'd fall asleep on a discord call
-# me if I remained a woman

[restive river]

Me now

[fast dew]

Eepy

I wanna know what caused Loid to make his own floof

Or. Mother somehow learned

Im seriously just not over him like oh my god Im gonna buy 75 of him

His hairline being so far back is funny to me as well

Ha balding

AND HIS SEPTUM PIERCING

ITS STAYING.

[pale cedar]

I held him at gunpoint till he did

[fast dew]

How does a book hold a gun?

[twin wigeon]

Book is the gun

[pale cedar]

I just got out of the book

[twin wigeon]

Oh dear

[fast dew]

I appreciate it nemesis. Truly, you are my nemesis. On my damn bank account

[pale cedar]

The bank account you gave the first 2 digits to Kaya

[fast dew]

Those numbers are related to a bank account somewhere in the world

[ashen pulsar]

are you the mocking or scathing whisper

[pale cedar]

I'm worse than both

[ashen pulsar]

mothing whisper

[restive river]

I forgot he makes them lol

Is he a narcissist?

[strange turtle]

He was worried the Operator might get lonely and need comfort in Tau

[restive river]

Ok I want that to be the case now

That’s adorable and the fact we can’t hug Loid still is a crime

[fast dew]

He made it for mother! For when he needs to go back down to the labs

[trail light]

Hey, who is the guilty from the update to on discord

[dire mountain]

What

[sinful panther]

hihelloo, decided id ask here to not spoil anywhere else, I just got the option to "attempt new years again" from Kalymos cuz the hex are my friendos now, if I do this is it gonna reset my chemistry? I'm also not at max Hex rank, so is it better to wait?

[dire mountain]

It wont reset anything and you'll need to do it anyway to reach rank 4

[sinful panther]

ohok tyyy

[radiant pier]

WHAHAHAHAHA WHAT IS THIS

[fast dew]

FLOOFS

[radiant pier]

HOW DO I GET FLOOFS

I need 20 floofs

is there a thumper floof

a clem floof?

a Kahl floof.

[strange plinth]

we have no idea. simply shown on the devstream as "THE GUILTY" with a red-tinted icon split between the hunhullus, vanguard, and dactolyst. teased as a secret to be found out

[strange plinth]

i think there is a thumper floof actually?
ah yeah nakak sells thumper floofs in cetus

[midnight ice]

hunhuss and vanguard and the dactolyst beats us up at the same time

https://tenor.com/view/jumped-getting-beat-up-fighting-fight-crips-gif-16772372

theyve had enough of us perita farming too

[restive river]

There’s 4

3 from nakak 1 from nightwave

[strange plinth]

oh i didn't know about the nightwave one, cool

[restive river]

Ye

Graal’s I think?

[fast dew]

Mhm

And a pobber mhm

[midnight ice]

also the kubrow floof i think either nw or nakak

[minor axle]

Apparently Mergoo are not endemic to Earth. You can find them on the Orb Vallis during The New War.

[dire mountain]

Theres also a silhouette in Höllvania

Which if i had to guess, means mergoo are native earth species somehow

Anyways do you have proof of that because thats actually huge if true

[minor axle]

Endemic means "only found in this area"

[minor axle]

Do I have to play through the entire New War again?

[dire mountain]

Yeah you got the burden of proof 😭

[minor axle]

ffs I just played through it 3 times this week.

[dire mountain]

I dont think thats healthy

[minor axle]

Been trying to get the duplicate Vorac Harpi scans. Finally got all 5.

[tall echo]

why

[minor axle]

Anyway, yeah, Mergoo are native to Earth. They survived all the way from 1999 through the Radiation Wars, rise of the Orokin, and the Collapse, to the modern day.

Apparently they migrated to Venus at some point.

[woven coyote]

migrated about as much as all the animals the brittish took to australia

[minor axle]

Are they an invasive species if there are no other species to invade?

Well, depends on when they got there.

[dire mountain]

The mushrooms are potentially a native species on venus

[dire mountain]

The what

[minor axle]

There was a discussion on this. They might be native, but more likely a type of benign Infestation?

[past vortex]

What do you guys think Balis meant when he told our Tenno to “remember this”

[minor axle]

We know one thing: Nightcap believes they are older than the Orokin. Seeing as he is the chief knowledge on the Undermind, we don't really have anything to contradict this.

This means the fungus is either native to Venus or it is Infestation. The only real proof for Infestation is that the Syzygy enemies are part of the Infested faction and that Valdur claims Xenoflora is the only alien lifeform the Orokin ever encountered.

[past vortex]

Aren’t there labs down there and other structures that look pretty orokin?

Well I guess it wouldn’t be pre orokin idk does the orokin empire start during other planet colonizations or after?

[strange plinth]

i remember a lot of corpus architecture in the deepmines but no orokin
could be forgetting it tho

[minor axle]

Maybe they mean the Orokin Dig Site?

[dusty dragon]

Radiation war? I just finished the Hex earlier. Are we referring to that?

[strange plinth]

hm?

[minor axle]

Kinda spoilery: || The Radiation Wars are a series of 18 nuclear wars that start sometime after 1999 in an attempt to stop the global Techrot threat. The end final one was the catalyst for the rise of the Orokin Empire. As you can imagine, 18 nuclear wars and global Techrot outbreaks was pretty devastating for Earth. || Surprisingly Mergoo, Predasites, Condrocs, Tagfers, Wuks, and Kuakas all survive these wars.

[dusty dragon]

I don't really understand what the techrot is. It's some kind of infestation, I know.

There's what the Warframes are made of and what deimos is, and techrot. Afaik.

[strange plinth]

techrot's very old infestation, it'll eventually become the general strain we know of in the origin system

there's the general strain, the gray strain (deimos, makes things big), helminth (warframes), mutalist (specialized for corpus tech, 'made' by alad v), and techrot (old)
maybe another i'm forgetting but those are the big ones

[minor axle]

Techrot is the ancestor of the Infestation. The Orokin all but wipe it out (thought it is occasionally present across the system), until they bio-engineer it as a weapon against the Sentients. Then it makes a full comeback.

[dusty dragon]

Idiots.

[minor axle]

Considering the Grey Strain can be found in Earth's oceans, dormant, it might be the evolved version of the Techrot, before Orokin interference.

But that's just a theory. A LUDOPLEX THEORY!

[dire mountain]

still abhor that they called the cervulites tagfers

Because the whole thing is that he didn't have a name and had to name himself because he was tagged for disposal

The Wuk in Höllvania isnt named bird 3 whats the deal

[dusty dragon]

Does the techrot exist because of all the void timey wimey nonsense?

[dire mountain]

Obviously there was just some miscommunication but it annoys me so bad

[dire mountain]

No why would it

[strange plinth]

no, techrot was always there
1999 was known as the plague year before albrecht got there

[minor axle]

That's the thing. We have no idea. They could very well be alien.

[dusty dragon]

Because eternalism. It would be extremely fitting if by going back we set everything in motion.

[minor axle]

But they have existed along side humanity for most of its existence (by the time of the Warframe story).

[dire mountain]

Eternalism was a mistake

I hate how people use it as an excuse for everything

[minor axle]

Okay, Roathe.

[strange plinth]

game does its best to avoid paradoxes, outside of the exception that proves the rule

[fast dew]

Insert the Roathe line

[dusty dragon]

I don't know anything man, I was trying to think about symbolism and stuff.

By trying to change things we set off the very events we wanted to prevent.

Something like that.

[minor axle]

I really hope the Techrot gets a non-human origin. I always liked the Dark Sector origin implication that they had always been there.

[dusty dragon]

I do my best to pay attention to the story but it's extremely confusing.

[strange plinth]

the way its presented can be

the story itself isn't super complex

[minor axle]

Don't quote me on this, but afaik we can't change anything with time travel. Any alternate realities from Eternalism are just Void-pockets. I think?

[dire mountain]

We literally do change things though in 1999

[dusty dragon]

I don't like the lotus though. I did the nidus quest and she was talking about how it's wrong for that child to choose for itself while actively using the tenno as child soldiers. Even with all the context I got later, I still think that one quest is super hypocritical.

[loud oriole]

-# as you ordered

[strange plinth]

2. What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?
   A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)
   B. Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased

[dire mountain]

Im giving him this ONE

[dusty dragon]

It's all the timey wimey space magic with terrifying angry giant wall men who hate me.

[minor axle]

I forgot that.

And you only reminded me of it less than a week ago. Well, someone did.

[dire mountain]

I forgot glast gambit was real

[dusty dragon]

Yeah I can't like her because of that. She's trying to be good but is still very hypocritical.

[minor axle]

Bloody hell, that is a big Tralok... Where is my spear!?

[dusty dragon]

How come the fishies look the way they do?

[dire mountain]

Since when was there a fish in cetus

[minor axle]

I assure you, this is very important to the lore and I did not forget to switch channels.

[dire mountain]

Orokin bioengineering probably

[minor axle]

The New War.

[dire mountain]

Although

[minor axle]

Actually, I'd hazard that they always looked like that.

[dire mountain]

A lot of animals apparently just Looked Like That™

[minor axle]

Have you seen the the animals in 1999?

[dusty dragon]

Maybe timey fleshy god tower did that.

[dusty dragon]

The mouse that Hispanic vampire lady has.

[dire mountain]

No the only thing the unum did with animals we know of is giving them kuva so she could see through their eyes

[minor axle]

Likely an ancestor of the Pobber.

[dusty dragon]

I don't like going back to quest areas, I wanna get to SP first because I'm not allowed to do Old Peace for some reason.

[minor axle]

There's more!

[woven coyote]

we know there were at least 18 radiation wars because we have a question about what ended the 18th, so there could be more

we aren't sure they were about the techrot
we have no indication the end of the final one is related to the rise of the orokin

Duviri tablet mentioning the 18th war

using convo locator to find any references to radiation

albrecht also mentions them but doesn't expand

[midnight ice]

"Marcellus Ambrosius Lephantis" is interesting, is it a funny trick question or is it a play on Marcus Aurellius and Lephantis is named after this hypothetical assassinated figure

[woven coyote]

Hmmm good question

Also hard to tell because from some of the other questions you can kinda tell the questions were....tailored

Just as the distopic empire school we know it was

[minor axle]

Man, I'm trying to wrap my head around the timeline and it makes no sense. I guess I'd never thought about it properly before. The Techrot only go global because the reactor doesn't go off, but the reactor doesn't go off because we intervene. So we always go back to stop it. Even before the Void existed. But the Void exists now so it always existed so I guess it doesn't matter?

[dire mountain]

I think the void always existed it was just kinda a whole bag of nothing until the incident

[woven coyote]

We dont quite know what part is from our alterations and what part is from the "normal timeline"

[dire mountain]

Like even before it was discovered I think it would have existed

[minor axle]

I meant the Indifference, mb

The Void was always a thing, yeah.

[woven coyote]

Because traces of the original remain

[strange plinth]

i'm not sure if the reactor would even purge the techrot entirely
if it started off underground, how far does that go, anyway?

[minor axle]

Eleanor implies that the reactor would have stopped them.

[woven coyote]

Also DE covered themselves quite a bit with that kim line about the orokin erasing old earth records

[woven coyote]

I think she just doesnt have all info
Which we also dont quite have all pieces of

[minor axle]

I guess it doesn't matter at this point. This is our timeline now.

[midnight ice]

there's techrot in space; wouldnt the stadium escape the blast?

[woven coyote]

How it got there is yet another question

[midnight ice]

evil and awful stadium that just does that for fun

[strange plinth]

that stadium is almost certainly the stadium we can see in the hollvania skybox, so it definitely isn't up there at the time

[midnight ice]

oh lol so it just decides to do that for fun

[woven coyote]

Part of me wants to believe the infestation just carves an asteroid into the stadium

[strange plinth]

also possible

[minor axle]

Also, why did On-lyne play a concert at a super-Techrot stadium???

[woven coyote]

Easier to wrap my head around

[woven coyote]

The techrot boys were part of a conspiracy to clone the actual boys and make an eternal tireless band

It's on the pc in aoi's store

[minor axle]

Yeah, but the end-of-year concert was played by the real On-lyne band at the stadium.

[strange plinth]

yea, they'd probably be on stage then

[woven coyote]

Well planned to at least

[minor axle]

My question is why they did it at an Techrot stadium? Have you seen it in the skybox???

[woven coyote]

I am trying to remember if we had confirmation of them actually playing there post techrot or if it just was scheduled when the outbreak hit

[strange plinth]

its heavily implied that they're performing during the last bit of the quest

[minor axle]

Start of The Hex as well.

[dire mountain]

We know the coda can replicate their voices but not appearance and we never see On-lyne during the quest

[minor axle]

Hmm... It would make sense, I guess.

[dire mountain]

Idk if we have any hard evidence either way actually

But like. Idk I wouldn't want to visit Höllvania especially if the stadium has a massive growth on it

[minor axle]

We know they are somewhere in Höllvania. Eleanor can feel their minds.

[strange plinth]

-# + the last band that performed got executed on live tv

[dire mountain]

True

[minor axle]

I wish we had more reliable narrators

[woven coyote]

I do too but tbf it is a pretty good strategy by DE to help them avoid writing themselves into corners

Live service and all that

[minor axle]

Indeed.

[silent sorrel]

Hello! Could I interest anyone with a little possibility in my head regarding the protoframes?

[dire mountain]

Perhaps

[midnight ice]

shore

[woven coyote]

Is that shore far and is it forlorn?

[minor axle]

Damn, On-lyne have no self preservation whatsoever, in retrospect.

[silent sorrel]

So we know that Drifter's kinda pausing the WF transformation by looping the whole year, right? Flare knows it'll be inevitable for them because they're the first Temple WF.

What I have in mind is, what about the Devil's Triad who are outside of that looping influence? Theirs will progress and we don't have a way to stop that. BUT!
Since the Entrati Family now knows of the labs below and the current happenings there, I'm thinking they could possibly work on a reverse serum or something that would stop the progression at least. They have records of Albrecht's researches, the Cavia's, and even Roathe's input on Helminth which is one of the common denominators across the timeline.

I'd really love to see how the story progresses with the protoframes in tow. Because for the better part, they've become a part of Drifter's own humanity and I'd hate to see that be stuck in the current state they are in now.

[minor axle]

I never answered this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ck7jI4Riuuc

[strange plinth]

so far, the only reversal of infestation we've seen has been with alad v, who was infested with the mutalist strain (which specializes in tech, not flesh)
the helminth uses or transforms basically everything from the host body, including stuff attached to it, like clothing
i'm not sure how much the entrati could do to slow/stop the triad's infestation, given that they are also infested and don't seem to be able to do much about it

[woven coyote]

For all we know the triad basement could also be in a loop hence the portal

[midnight ice]

do we have a list on all the strains btw? mutalist, grey, techrot, helminth, deimos, common strain?

[strange plinth]

gray strain and deimos are the same
but i think that is the list

[woven coyote]

Would also add the unnamed spy strain from the whole arlo debacle

[silent sorrel]

Were there any WFs before the fall of the Orokin that still had intact consciousness?

[strange plinth]

ah yea whatever the emissary strain is

[woven coyote]

Dante and Kullervo are the ones i remember

[strange plinth]

Jade and Stalker as well
Umbra

[woven coyote]

Oh yeah

[midnight ice]

harrow..........? re: Lyon lore

[strange plinth]

according to the wiki, the derelicts have a separate strain that infests the arboriform
not sure if its actually a separate strain or if its just weird because of the arboriform

[woven coyote]

The most intact were probably dante and jade all things considered

Dante helped tend a library and jade could leave records of her thoughts

[silent sorrel]

Hmm... Based on what was said on KIM chats, they were sealed there during XX99, so I didn't think of La Cathedrale as a loop

[woven coyote]

Yeah

Also we yet again dont quite have a timeline for how long albrechts delayed helminth transformation takes

[strange plinth]

-# we don't even have a timeframe for regular transformation do we

[woven coyote]

We were DEnied said timeframe

[silent sorrel]

Warframe Archival on X made a few comparisons between the current model of the Hex and their versions from animated promotional video. There are some obvious notes of progression between the video and Drifter's arrival

[young granite]

I cannot wait for next lore

[bronze pier]

It seems like the hex has a prototype WF serum, while the triad is using a much more refined version. There might be a chance that current iterations of the serum are even slower, and maybe a chance for suppressants?

[woven coyote]

Like 2 weeks from now?

[silent sorrel]

Whether it is intentional or not, I like to think this is worth noting

[woven coyote]

Proto in proto frame isnt from prototype btw

[bronze pier]

Oh, I know

I mean to say the "protoframe serum" used on the hex is more of a prototype itself

[restive river]

Idk if we can really connect the dots based on that as the designs evolved over time, the original model for Arthur that was used in Whispers isn’t the same one we have today

[woven coyote]

While possible i dont think we have anything that really hints at that

[minor axle]

The Venus fungus might be an Infested strain. Emphasis on might.

[restive river]

I think the Hex were the first but idr the specifcs

[woven coyote]

The thing is we just know the transformation is delayed but were never told by how much

So we dont have any metric for how different the different groups of protoframe serums were

[restive river]

It sounds like it predates the infestation, ofc it may be infested now after the Orokin got their hands on it

[bronze pier]

Only hind in my view are looking at the triad, and how they aren't as completely frame-ified as the hex. Lyon being a prime example

[woven coyote]

Talking about their idea on the hex being an earlier attempt and the triad being more refined

[silent sorrel]

Were the models finalized before the animation or after? I couldn't remember

[bronze pier]

It might be a... Not a strain, but influenced by a strain? Proto infested? Modified infested? Vallis fungus is weird

[restive river]

Most we have is their transformation is slowed to more than a year since they were infected in 98 and make it to 2000 (or as close to it as possible)

[restive river]

After

[minor axle]

The Infestation predates the Orokin as well.

[midnight ice]

could always handwave it as "orokin geneforge bullshittery"

[restive river]

I’m aware, but it sounded like the fungus predates both by a good bit

[bronze pier]

The infestation is something really freaky. It originated before the orokin

[restive river]

It’s been a bit but from what I recall the fungus was there before the Orokin got to Venus

[strange plinth]

nightcap implies the vallis fungus predates the orokin, yea

[restive river]

The Infestation’s origins meanwhile are entirely unknown, we know humanity has messed with it but not if they made it

[bronze pier]

Is it a bioweapon made in a lab? How was there infestation in xx99 for a Helminth? How long has the infestation existed?

[woven coyote]

At least the fire one is mentioned as predating or relating to pre terraforming venus

[midnight ice]

xx99 is bc albrecht brought it in no?

[minor axle]

That would make it alien, though. And Xenoflora are the only alien life in Warframe so far.

[silent sorrel]

Yeah, this could put a hole in that comparison apart from the way the relationships between the Hex were before Drifter

[silk atlas]

Albrecht brought the Helminth back in time and, being Infested, has connections to the Techrot. The Techrot's existed before you start The Hex, so safe to say it's been forever.

[silk atlas]

Could've just... grown out of control on Earth to start anyway. Doesn't need to have come from outer space.

[strange plinth]

techrot's been around since at least 1997, iirc, as that's when the scaldra are first messing with it for the boyband managers
XX99, albrecht brought helminth that died after it was used

[minor axle]

How was Albrecht time traveling, anyway?

[restive river]

We don’t know
Albrecht, though Roathe specifically used his blood to recreate Helminth into a portal
And at least since like. 1998 naturally since it was there before Albrecht started time traveling

[silk atlas]

He made a time machine. Then he broke it and used the nuke to escape 1999.

[silent sorrel]

Ehh, I wouldn't say bc, since the existence of religion, especially the Luminaries seem to root somewhere around 1500's

[bronze pier]

Thats the thing, roathe messages see to imply the time travel entrati use needs a Helminth to, wel, work. Does entrati use a non infestation version of time travel?

[strange plinth]

that coffin that he climbs into at the start of whispers
void shenanigans likely

[restive river]

I think their relationships and what they were going through is the main aspect of the video to focus on, not the designs that we know changed separate from the lore

[minor axle]

Yeah, but then he travels to Tau without it.

[silk atlas]

Yeah, because of the nuke.

[restive river]

The nuke that was already going off?

[silk atlas]

Huh?

[silent sorrel]

Oh, wrong interpretation of 'bc', my bad

[restive river]

We stopped the nuke and then he leaves

[silk atlas]

No we didn't. Not the first time at least. It went off and then we had to loop again to stop it.

[minor axle]

Oh, yeah, duh. He probably made another.

[midnight ice]

whats this in response to again? i was talking about how the helminth js in xx99 bc albrecht brought it in

[midnight ice]

ahh gotcha

[minor axle]

So much has been going on, it's hard to keep track of everything at once.

[restive river]

Start of the quest it goes off, the loop Albrecht established takes effect
Then we get there and the Hex fail to stop it, but we stop it by taking control of the loop
It never goes off again so long as the Drifter is there
It was always going off til we got there
So he didn’t need the Nuke

[minor axle]

Every time I learn something new, I forget something in turn.

[silent sorrel]

Yes, it's probably that. He kind of slipped in the serum during the time where famine and diseases were still pretty heavy for humanity.

[fast dew]

Albrecht mentioned

[restive river]

Or if he did need the nuke then he needed it to not fully go off and for the loop to be nabbed by us after Wally took over

Point is the nuke was always going off until we stopped it once we fully made it to 1999

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-man-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-24187047

[woven coyote]

Here take the reins of this timeloop so i can jump off the time carriage

[restive river]

Yeah, but he didn’t need the nuke for that to happen

[fast dew]

The nuke also wasnt. A nuke, tbf

[restive river]

Drifter is what he needed the entire time, not the nuke that was already endlessly going off every 24 hours (relatively)

[restive river]

Eh it was a nuke
It’s the classic mushroom cloud
Ik it wouldn’t actually do that but that’s what’s illustrated

Reactor goes boom akin to a nuke essentially

[fast dew]

True

[silent sorrel]

Wait, so can't the nuke be prevented during the start of the year and then let time continue as intended?

[restive river]

The nuke is prevented by Drifter resetting the loop before it goes boom

[fast dew]

We're also unsure if Albrecht set up the nuke

[silent sorrel]

Oh! It wouldn't if the time the Hex was formed was during 1998, right?

[fast dew]

Hex was earlier than that, wasnt it?

[restive river]

The original loop was also just new years
After that, once Drifter has control Amir could probably cook something up tbh

[restive river]

It’s just Y2K
The reactor is also owned by ORO

[restive river]

1998 isn’t accessible

[fast dew]

Y2K moment

Viktor making fun of it was funny. Horrible that hes that mucking dumb

[strange plinth]

Albrecht getting access to the reactor through Amir makes me feel like it isn't just y2k, but i'm not 100% sure

[fast dew]

It could be more of a "well thats a good escape plan." Once he learned

[silent sorrel]

Yes, I meant you can't stop the root cause of the nuke setup as Drifter bc Amir got manipulated and given him the reactor's programming before that.

[restive river]

You can in theory stop the nuke forever Amir just solves the Y2K issue before new years every single time
That or the Hex prevent it from blowing at the end of the year
If it’s not prevented then the nuke happens and that carries on into history

[fast dew]

You know the idea that Albrecht can manually control a nuclear reactor feels.

[restive river]

You could stop it that way

[fast dew]

Not like how that works

[restive river]

I don’t think he can

Or if he can we don’t see that

[silk atlas]

...Wait but like wasn't the whole point of him going there to take advantage of the "rare energy" or however the hell he described it? Like he even says it needs to "go off" and I read the nuke going off at the 'start' of the quest being what's actually the end when Drifter actually does the slam.

Like yeah he could leave earlier but he needed Drifter there for his plan

[fast dew]

Corium........

[silk atlas]

Which is why he stalled.

[fast dew]

He needed idk. Corium or some shit

[restive river]

The start with the nuke is just the previous loop before we got there
It always goes off cause Y2K issues

[silent sorrel]

"Reconstruction of the past is possible." - Yonta

[restive river]

I think Albrecht was lying just to get Drifter there, to get them closer to the Hex, to have them take the loop back from Wally

[midnight ice]

yonta ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️

[silent sorrel]

So we could, in theory, stop him way before?

[restive river]

More so the palimpsest of spacetime
We rewrite the nuke in the loop and we rewrite it outside of the loop

That’s why we stay in 1999, why we keep doing what we do
To keep what we rewrote written

[restive river]

We can’t grandfather paradox ourselves

[strange plinth]

this is why i feel like the techrot will survive the nuke regardless
it still went off and the infestation is still around
unless they're the trace left behind ig

[fast dew]

I wanna feel as if the loop has something to do with it

[restive river]

Agreed
They survive regardless, somehow

[minor axle]

I just realised that Albrecht was able to create the 1999 24h loop because he studied the Duviri 24h loop.

[strange plinth]

most likely, yes

[restive river]

Eh maybe

I can see him getting inspiration from it

[silk atlas]

But the Kalymos Sequence doesn't complete until The Hex and Drifter stop the reactor from exploding though. After Drifter came in, then Albrecht could use the nuke's energy to leave. The reset happens after the nuke explodes anyway.

[silent sorrel]

Fair point

[strange plinth]

although duviri isn't looping when he's there, is it? its only after drifter starts getting executed

[restive river]

The reset happens before it blows once Drifter takes control
And yeah it doesn’t compete til they stop it, it was always going off before that moment?

[minor axle]

Actually, I never figured that part out.

[restive river]

It’s confusing but the reactor was always blowing in every other loop until Drifter stops and resets the loop before it goes off

[restive river]

Albrecht would’ve visited before then too soo

[silent sorrel]

Would it always be flagged as incomplete every start of the loop because we keep needing the reactor to not explode?

[silk atlas]

Yes that's what the email in the Finale is exactly about

[restive river]

Albrecht told us he needed it to blow but that seems to be a lie since
He dips when we ensure that it doesn’t blow lol

[minor axle]

We never actually learn when Albrecht enters Duviri. Only that Thrax is the king, and he wakes up to Gomaitru's voice (possibly the tale narrations?).

[restive river]

They met Drifter and it sounded like Drifter and Thrax were friends at that time since he taught them both stuff so
It would have to be before Drifter wanted to leave

So probably a few years after the Zariman incident if anything

No more than what
10 years?
15?

[silent sorrel]

Ah, I found it through the wiki. The sequence is complete, but the loop has to stay as a loop to prevent the Murmurs from undoing their victory. So it'll continue until we've got a handle on the ol' Wally situation.

[restive river]

We stay to retain what we rewrote

Also eventually ETA lol

[minor axle]

When did they? Was this one of the KIM chats?

[strange plinth]

isleweaver thrax dialogue iirc

[fast dew]

Thrax my child

[restive river]

Thrax mentions Albrecht teaching both him and Drifter about the fragmented

[fast dew]

About what to do when it arrives

[silent sorrel]

I think it showed up in one of the convos with one of the Hex, but I don't remember who

[restive river]

And Thrax and Drifter were besties at one point sooo
And it has to be before they grow up enough

[fast dew]

Still. Wild he uh. Scribbled that shit on the walls

He seemed mildly schizophrenic

[strange plinth]

"The Scholar told us what to do. Shut her up in the Apocrypha."
"If you see the Scholar again, tell him his work was not finished here! Why did he abandon us?"
"Remember what the Scholar told us. The Fragmented Ones tether down the Strands of Khra that weave her false Duviri. Get to the heart of her power, call forth the beast, then kill it."

[minor axle]

"Remember what the Scholar told us. The Fragmented Ones tether down the Strands of Khra that weave her false Duviri. Get to the heart of her power, call forth the beast, then kill it." "The Scholar told us what to do. Shut her up in the Apocrypha." This one?

[fast dew]

Thrax was so little brother coded in isleweaver

I miss him a lot

I think i miss my brother, Loid

[restive river]

And then he says he’s like our dad lol

Worst dad/brother ever

[fast dew]

I wanna put the kid on my shoulders and run around with him 💔

I miss the whimsy of living with my siblings

[minor axle]

I'm not convinced. Thrax could have just told us after he met Albrecht.

[fast dew]

Yeah thats

What happened

[restive river]

We literally know they hung out together and were besties so like

[fast dew]

We were thrax's friend

[minor axle]

Yeah, but there's no evidence these happened at the same time.

[fast dew]

We'd need to be his friend to. To sit in the same room as thrax

Or thrax would just get our ass

[minor axle]

I concede.

[strange plinth]

operation eight claw dialogue has a little more towards albrecht talking to both

"The entity the Scholar warned of, the Wall's other face. It's here! It broke into Mathila's spiral. It sits on my throne and mocks me! We have to stop her, Drifter. Fighting together, side by side, like the old days. For our people. I shall await you in person, in the hermit's hovel."

[silent sorrel]

That tether dialog gets stuck in my head from time-to-time. I feel as if this is applies to 1999 too. Drifter's has a chokehold on it, but we still need to find the big bad that's connected to it. (Not necessarily pertaining to Wally)

[strange plinth]

mm, this one too

"Remember what the Scholar said. It mocks us because it fears us."

[fast dew]

Thrax :(

I feel bad for him in isleweaver, I feel worse at the end of Duviri

"Why does she torture Mathila so? There are rules! You stop when it stops being funny!"

Thrax dont bullshit

[strange plinth]

lmao thrax you tortured the drifter into apathy for so long that you were overjoyed when they showed emotion at all

[fast dew]

I get. Upset over his cries though

They're very. Distressing.

Good on the VA for doing such a good job though

[silent sorrel]

Poor Mathila, she was forced to make weapons for Wally-Neci

[fast dew]

one of these i think

Yup the second one

:(

[fluid rapids]

Somebody refresh me on who the rap tap tap man is again

[fluid rapids]

Why do you have that on standby

[fast dew]

I dont? I have the wiki open lol

[fluid rapids]

Oh

Mb then

[fast dew]

The man in the wall. Fella responsible for our parents going insane and giving us a gun to "defend" ourselves, responsible for cross play. What else do you wanna know?

[fluid rapids]

Isn’t the man in the wall like

[fast dew]

What does this even mean 😭

[fluid rapids]

The titanic freaking stone wall dude

[fluid rapids]

My bad

[fast dew]

Yeah he can change forms

[fluid rapids]

But what is he

[fast dew]

Void entity. Not the void itself

Just a fella who uses the void

[fluid rapids]

Buh

Is a lot known about him or is he still mostly a mystery

[fast dew]

Ehh

We can answer most questions but overall we are unsure about a lot too

[fluid rapids]

I see

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

Im still so excited that we got a loid floof

[midnight ice]

are you getting 10

[fast dew]

More than ten.

75. Im gonna get 75. If possible.

[dark compass]

When?

[fast dew]

Bro its gonna be in shadowgrapher LOOK

[dark compass]

Oh damn

Two whole Loid floofs

[barren jasper]

where did you get this from?

[fast dew]

SHIT. I VAN ONLY OWN 5

Villain. Evil. Horrible.

That wont stop me.

[fast dew]

Shadowgrapher's update page
https://www.warframe.com/en/the-shadowgrapher#qol

All the way down the bottom

[barren jasper]

oh sweet, i had missed that the first time

[fast dew]

I wonder if

I can still just buy them anyways and never put them down

On the plus side, they are significantly cheaper than what I recalled

[humble sierra]

DE would probably make a whole lot of money if they made more IRL Floofs besides Arthur and Aoi

Lotus' floof needs to get updated

[fast dew]

They'd make bank off me if they MADE ANY LOID MERCH AT ALL

[drowsy saddle]

Problem is probably finding a good 3rd party manufacturer

[fast dew]

SCREW ALBRECHT'S DUMBASS HAT

I WANT TO SEE LOID

[drowsy saddle]

Okay but hear me out, Albrecht hat on loid

[fast dew]

Cute but RAGE

I should draw that

I did draw this banger at coolege today
-# I was doing a test

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-loid-entrati-gif-2475787012030073166

[fast dew]

Father he sso :((((( he sso so so :((((((*

[fast dew]

First he lol'd
Then he serious'd

[pale cedar]

DE should've kept in the kiss scene they were meant to have so we'd have less I thought he was his son

[barren jasper]

you are the first person I've seen confused by their relationship ngl

[fast dew]

Do not. Harm. Nemesis

[fast dew]

No. This is a reoccurring issue with others

[barren jasper]

weird lol

[fast dew]

The second part was a new one

[barren jasper]

the thinker

[fast dew]

And another

[barren jasper]

what are these from

how do people get confused about this 😭

[fast dew]

Mm. Just tiktok. Shout out to the time where I had to deadass explain that ticker is trans because some person pulled out of their ass that the head inside ticker's body was her lover's

[pale cedar]

Media literacy is a dying breed

[barren jasper]

shoutout to the content creator who was telling everyone that Hollvania was going to be an open world

[fast dew]

Brother thats her own head shes just amab. Where did they pull this one from

[barren jasper]

😭

[lean garden]

ChatGPT ahh lore

[pale cedar]

TikTok is truly the worst place for lore

[fast dew]

I deal.

With idiots. So much worse than here

[pale cedar]

At least in both servers AI is banned

[fast dew]

True.

[barren jasper]

shoutout to that one translation for Marie in the KIM that started with "chatgpt said:"

[strange plinth]

was it marie? i thought it was lyon

[barren jasper]

probably both LOL

[strange plinth]

fair

[strange plinth]

ah, so it was

[barren jasper]

marie using ancient technology

[pale cedar]

Let's hope DE never lets that person cook again

[pulsar pendant]

Soo how does Grendel and Gauss know each other?

[pale cedar]

Literally breaking Orokin law

[pale cedar]

They worked together is how

[pulsar pendant]

Before they transformed?

[pale cedar]

After

[pulsar pendant]

Oh nice

[pale cedar]

Saint of something

[strange plinth]

sounded like they were removed pretty quickly
tech is infamous for not translating well, how are you going to get contracted to translate stuff and toss it at chatgpt

[strange plinth]

altra?

[pale cedar]

Maybe

[pulsar pendant]

In the Protea Prime trailer are both Ballas and Parvos, so that means they both made her?
Parvos made Protea and Ballas made Protea Prime?

[pale cedar]

Parvos designed
Ballas made it real

[pulsar pendant]

Ohh they collaborated?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[pulsar pendant]

Cool didn't know Ballas had friends outside of his faction

Well "friends"

[humble sierra]

Parvos came up with the design but didn't know how to make Warframes. Ballas wanted Parvos' specter technology, so they collaborated.

[pale cedar]

I theorise Ballas agreed so Parvos would stop blowing up frames

[pulsar pendant]

So they both basically got what they wanted ofc

[strange plinth]

which parvos may have stolen from the entrati, which makes the deal funnier i think

[pulsar pendant]

He said something about that yes lmao

"Entrati violated time and I violated them"

[pale cedar]

Technically, no

Parvos seemingly didn't get given the Prime but a knockoff base version instead

[pulsar pendant]

Still strong af

[fast dew]

"Even the entrati-"

"THE ENTRATI VIOLATED TIME AND I HAVE VIOLATED THEM"

calm down parvos you prick

[humble sierra]

I wonder what the Corpus were up to during the Old Peace

[pulsar pendant]

Not existing?

[humble sierra]

Just realized we don't really get much word on them

[pulsar pendant]

Idk how old Corpus are

[humble sierra]

Protea Prime is in the Vanguard, so that deal with Ballas and Parvos has been made

[fast dew]

Parvos quickly realising Albrecht is also a weird gremlin thief

[pulsar pendant]

Right

[fast dew]

Except. Albrecht steals cars

[strange plinth]

corpus archimedean proposed the sentients to the Seven, so they existed before then

[pulsar pendant]

I forgor who are the Seven, councillors? Jailors? Something like that? And they're Orokin?

[fast dew]

Leaders of the orokin basically

[humble sierra]

Executors, and they're the second highest tier of Orokin

[strange plinth]

mhm
just below the Emperors

[fast dew]

Avantus, Ballas, Karrish, Niktohk, Tormis, Tuvul and Scarne

[pulsar pendant]

That reminds me, Kullervo has also something to do with the Seven, is that a coincidence or are they connected?

[fast dew]

They are

He tried to kill one. Presumably ballas

[strange plinth]

-# ah i was going to make a joke about scarne not getting a capital

[pulsar pendant]

Ofc everyone wanted him dead lmao

[fast dew]

-# get screwed grey

Too fast for you

[pulsar pendant]

And the "Ballas" in Duviri is who?

[humble sierra]

Kullervo's manifestation of his guilt.

[fast dew]

Thats a embodied version of him, the warden. Its not actually him.

[pulsar pendant]

Oh right Void

[humble sierra]

Well the whole island is that, the Warden is just based on Ballas as a more scathing torturer

[pulsar pendant]

Warframe's lore is just so huge

[strange plinth]

a conceptual embodiment of Kullervo's guilt, taking the form of the Executor that Kullervo likely wanted the favor of (and later tried to kill)

[drowsy saddle]

Buy the man dinner first before you go drilling for oil goddamn

[fast dew]

Yeah, thats what happens to a nearly 13 year old game

[pulsar pendant]

But everything has an answer, when u look for it, that's what I like about Warframe

[fast dew]

This is why Loid hates parvos fr!

[fast dew]

Not. Always. But thats fine

[pulsar pendant]

Kinda

[fast dew]

Random cosmic clock mention ig

[drowsy saddle]

Parvos the type of mfr to skimp on lube

[humble sierra]

?

[pulsar pendant]

The clock next to Necraloid?

Well it was there

[fast dew]

I mean to mention it due to the whole. What the hell even is that and what does it do

And it never gets answered

[humble sierra]

What clock tho

[fast dew]

Yeah. There's more than one

[pulsar pendant]

Idek that

[fast dew]

Its not really. A normal clock

Is it called the cosmic clock

Am I being dumb again

[pulsar pendant]

I only know it has something to do with Albrecht and Wally i think

[humble sierra]

Are you talking about the thing at the end of Old Peace?

[pulsar pendant]

Albrecht and Void

[fast dew]

Nah tha5s

[humble sierra]

That's an astrolabe compass thingy

[strange plinth]

was behind necraloid, floating around
got crumpled and dropped in the whirlpool during whispers
there are others around the cambion drift, and the clan decor version of it is called 'cosmic clock'

[fast dew]

Another thing

[pulsar pendant]

Around? I never seen em

[fast dew]

Literally the most random ass things

[fast dew]

Its in isovaults mainly

[pulsar pendant]

Right

[strange plinth]

yea here's one

[pulsar pendant]

Oh that thing

I've actually never spotted it

It floats and ticks so that's something lmao

[fast dew]

No clue what it does

It just tracks certain events throughout spacetime

Obviously thats important but

Still no clue why it exists and why its never really explained beyond a item description

[strange plinth]

“A very large Entrati clock that tracks infinite moments through timespace.”
hm.

operator report?

[fast dew]

OH

OH MY GOD

[olive crest]

Question: if warframe (In lore) is stupidly insanely OP does that make grineer/corpus to be super strong? we'll you know both faction capable of dealing warframes.? i'm thinking if both faction can beat the crap out Space marine from 40k https://www.youtube.com/shorts/5-PaCSa7G2g

[dark compass]

?

[strange plinth]

the way we use them in-game is pretty close to their "lore-accurate" power
the leverians have more ways to use their abilities, but they're not innately more powerful

[fast dew]

Sorry the. Realisation of thats whats probably doing the operator report

[dark compass]

Even Gauss Prime trailer was pretty much on par with what you're able to achieve in game and even slightly less so

Outside of door collisions

[strange plinth]

its a long shot considering its one line of description for a clan dojo decoration of all things
but i'm also not seeing any issues with it that don't exist for other candidates

[fast dew]

Oh, grey i want your imput on this actually. What do you make of the black stitching on Loid's face?

[strange plinth]

similar stitching is present on the arthur floof, though its skin colored

i'm not sure

[fast dew]

Im unsure of it either

It doesn't seem to be an unfinished model either

[midnight ice]

I MISS THE BIG CLOCK!!!!

[dark compass]

"fragment of a hunhow"

[fast dew]

Do we know when next devstream is actually

[strange plinth]

pax?

[fast dew]

Oh shit

Whens that?

[strange plinth]

good question

[midnight ice]

hunhow may be a class of sentients, like hunhullus. that'll add another suffix (hun-, -ex, -lyst, -ix)

[dark compass]

Huh? How?

https://tenor.com/view/huh-cat-gif-26460616

[fast dew]

As much as i would love to see a loid proto i feel as if shadowgrapher would be. Such a random ass time to do it, if thats what the black stitching could be

I hope we just get more Loid chats over it

[humble sierra]

March 27 IIRC

[strange plinth]

devstream is 28th, yeah

[humble sierra]

29th for us then Thomas

[fast dew]

Ah. Joy

Bet its at a ungodly hour too

[strange plinth]

likely

[fast dew]

Wonderful.

Its like

6am 😭

[strange plinth]

none of the other proto floofs have that stitching, just arthur's skin-colored stitches
i'd say its maybe for face definition? but that doesn't explain the coloration

[midnight ice]

huh? huhhus?

[fast dew]

Id think the same, loid has an angular face but id argue someone Eleanor or Roathe does too and they lack it

[humble sierra]

Hang on, does anyone in the Round table have a floof?

[fast dew]

No.

[humble sierra]

It's weird that Loid got one before them

[fast dew]

Its a crime.

[humble sierra]

Romanceable Loid confirmed?

[fast dew]

Loid would rather make one of himself lmfao

[fast dew]

Nah that means otak is

And hes sweet but I don't think hes actually capable of consent with how lobotomised he is

[midnight ice]

otak excision quest

[fast dew]

I do wonder what prompted Loid to make himself

Maybe he made it for us, maybe he made it for Mother

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/smilingfriends-boss-tiny-hands-up-season-2-gif-12296056204251662294

"I want you to have it"

[fast dew]

Loid making shit for everyone in the family fr

[restive lantern]

The loid floofs are so cute wth, my friend literally messaged me to tell me about them

Why did I just realize he has a septum

Listen as a plushie/doll artist, you have no idea how annoying that would be to sew

Necraloid should have a septum too tbh lol

[opaque zenith]

Don't care, I'll pay extra for an emotional support loid (both robot and human)

[radiant pier]

something hit me just now

during the new war

the ostron's god straight up stopped time for us

[tall echo]

He would but skulls don't have noses

[radiant pier]

I have not heard a single mention of her since

[tall echo]

Skulls and noses... it's like guns and roses but silly

[radiant pier]

really just glossed over a straight up god

[tall echo]

Not a straight up god

The unum is powerful, but not a god

[fast dew]

Deity might be a better term

[radiant pier]

deity yeah

how has nobody said anything about that

[restive lantern]

DE kinda does that sometimes lol

[opaque zenith]

Unum works by Galdalf's logic, "a meat tower is never late, etc etc"

[radiant pier]

that's crazy

and it wasn't some

[fast dew]

De does this.

[radiant pier]

stopped time in a small area

[fast dew]

Cosmic clocks, operator report, however the hell Loid doublejumps

[tall echo]

In game, bc time being paused isn't something you can notice

[fast dew]

Should've asked Rebecca

[radiant pier]

like just actual stopped time

[tall echo]

The lgbt powers get expanded in the orokin empire

[radiant pier]

loid can double jump??