lore-discussion

[midnight ice]

"tenno if left unattended might spend their cash entirely on making weapons and not life support" so real. they know us so well

[fast dew]

Its almost as if Ordis might be aware that we're children and would just forget that exists

[woven coyote]

Btw these used to happen when kubrows still had dna stability

Weird old times

[fast dew]

[restive lantern]

I always saw moas as fked up lil birds

[woven coyote]

I mean....

[fast dew]

-# they still had wings, something the robot moas lack

-# flightless birds have wings i swear, even emus have little wings

[woven coyote]

Speaking of i think the only bird of similar type i have ever seen the wings of was the ostrich

[fast dew]

Bird 3 is similar

Though his wings are rather large for a flightless bird

[woven coyote]

Dont think i have ever seen another of those larger flightless ones open their wings

[fast dew]

You probably have, theyre just. Tiny as hell

[woven coyote]

Maybe

[fast dew]

Most flightless birds have huge amounts of feathers that hide it

Mm. Wheres the baby emu photos I got

[woven coyote]

Like i literally grew up driving by them on the way to school lol if they were noticeable i think i'd remember

[fast dew]

True actually

The ostrich goes have pretty big ones with feathers attached iirc, but emus are. Not the same

Emus have like. These long thin feathers that make up a kinda shaggy coat

[woven coyote]

These were the ones that were kept nearby

[fast dew]

RHEAS

[woven coyote]

Saw these weirdos everyday

[fast dew]

They look so much more chill than emus lol

[woven coyote]

Honestly no idea about their temperament

[fast dew]

Emus just look perpetually angry

Oh. Cassowaries

Those exist

The. Murderer perhaps

[woven coyote]

All i know about emus is the australians lost to them

[dark compass]

Woah she looks different from when I saw her in Dark souls

[drowsy saddle]

https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/801624461463781376/1217791999424593920/a6qWY2q_460swp.webp?ex=69b1f66e&is=69b0a4ee&hm=7754f1816ee58a1b2ed31fc848c8f330bc5b068c212f00655d78900641d14f35&=&format=webp&width=575&height=700

[fast dew]

This is honestly a fit

[drowsy saddle]

friend of mine works at an aussie zoo, he comfirmed its lore accurate

[fast dew]

But make the fur jacket longer. Maybe a knee length dress

[glass sluice]

If the giant killer bird wants to wear a waist length skirt, the giant killer bird gets to wear a waist length skirt.

[dusty dragon]

How come the giant infested snakes fight on Deimos?

[fast dew]

They hate each other

[dusty dragon]

Angry giant danger noodles.

[dark compass]

They need a hug

[glass sluice]

Sibling things.

[restive river]

Unknown

But uh
Yeah they’re siblings lol

[maiden crypt]

Hi guys, ive been out of the game since 2022/23 and have not been up to date with the lore since. Is there someplace or video who explains the lore in a comprehensive way? I want to freshen up before starting all the new quests ive missed :)

[dusty dragon]

Angy sneks

[maiden crypt]

sadly dont have the time to replay everything😔

[restive river]

I’m not sure if there’s any videos that explain it well, loretubers tend to confuse things
If you have time to read you could use the Orokin Archives

[pale cedar]

Slightly out of date now but probably the best you'll get https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y

[ocean geyser]

I wonder if the sanctum pc exists because DE considers loretubers unreliable

[pale cedar]

It exists because players in general like being unreliable

[maiden crypt]

thats amazing, thank you all for your recs

ill check both out

[ocean geyser]

Makes sense

[restive river]

Oh yeah there is just the sanctum PC which should help if you’re fairly recent and want a quick summary of things

[pale cedar]

Sanctum PC actually agrees with Ballas

[storm wharf]

Socratetris is my preferred Warframe loretuber

[idle fog]

finally an excuse to make my crossover fanfic idea be plausible

[smoky gulch]

(Who nurtures you in your times of rest? Who restores your battle-torn frame, day after day after day? Whose milk enriches your kindred flesh with endless strength and vigor? It can only be me.) — Helminth
Does this mean Warframes are on milk diet? Or is it Operator/Drifter that is fed nutrientful milk by wriggly flesh mass?

[strange turtle]

The frames

First Helminth stuff comes before TSD/DP

[smoky gulch]

Okay, so this doesn't answer whether Operator needs to eat

Coz Drifter is shown preparing Zariman supplies and doesn't (at the beginning) have Void magic necessary to handwave away nutrients

Albeit Drifter has to be quite voidful anyways, considering they just... made a whole realm from children's book?

[strange turtle]

No anyone can do that

Conceptual Embodiment

When you get emotional in the void you can make things with it

[smoky gulch]

Oh, so that's why Duviri's seasons are emotional tantrums

[strange turtle]

Drifter accidentally made Duviri when trying to use the book to regulate their emotions, Calavero got really into improving weapon designs and made Incarnons, etc

[strange turtle]

thats just how Duviri was in the book

[fast dew]

Duviri was a book written by mother for children to manage their emotions.

Said book's characters were initially made by her father for her

[maiden crypt]

thanks :)

[storm wharf]

He goes into a lot of the themes and philosophies of them too. Def an underrated gem

[storm wharf]

While yes that is conceptual embodiment… the drifter seems to be cooking with something else because we, without any of the tech Entrati used to do it, Looped 1999 through sheer force of will, responding to being shot in the gut with a classic

fist slam again!

that moment went harder than anything else in the quest and I’m not taking suggestions

[fast dew]

... the loop was made by Albrecht

The loop existed before us

Only it encompasses the entirety of 1999 instead of the day

The loop in duviri is likely connected

[storm wharf]

during the quest the loop was broken, things deviated too far was my perception

[fast dew]

The loop was deteriorating, due to Wally's existence, but it wasn't broken

We just. Changed the length of the loop

Thats not a trait exclusive to us either, again, Albrecht made the loop there

[storm wharf]

still thats incredibly significant though. albrecht looped a day with orokin tech

we looped three hundred times that many with force of will

[fast dew]

.... alternatively, it was just another form of conceptual embodiment due to our own void saturated bodies, or Albrecht planned it to do such

We don't know enough about the loop to definitively say it was purely us who changed it

And we dont know if it was orokin tech Albrecht used

[storm wharf]

and thats what i find significant, that we were able to bring our abilities as king of duviri to the real world

[fast dew]

... it comes from the throne

The ability is inside the throne

Which is why thrax is able to do it

[storm wharf]

the throne is metaphorical, its not the actual seat of power

[fast dew]

If its metaphorical, then thrax would be able to do it anywhere too

Which i don't think he does

[storm wharf]

thrax doesnt leave his house

[fast dew]

Thrax does

[storm wharf]

when?

[fast dew]

He left and leaves in isleweaver

[storm wharf]

yeah and he couldnt reset

[fast dew]

And guess who loops it

[storm wharf]

because he was out of duviri

[fast dew]

Neci/wally.

Who was on the throne.

[storm wharf]

because wally is the void itself

[fast dew]

He's. Not

Hes a product of the void, but not the void

Thats like saying Duviri is the void

[storm wharf]

hes a far greater manifestation of it than we are

[radiant pier]

WAITTTT

[storm wharf]

duviri is under the drifter's control, the drifter just doesnt care to be in charge

thrax is literally his toy from childhood, the character from a book

[fast dew]

Yes. Said character is the king.

The child-king.

[storm wharf]

hes only in charge of duviri because of the drifter's perception

[tall echo]

The throne is what allows the looping

[fast dew]

No? Thrax was always the king

[radiant pier]

is the gara something lake

named after gara

[storm wharf]

then what happened in the 1999 quest?

[fast dew]

Thats the premise of Duviri, child king and his emotionally stunted courtiers

[storm wharf]

yup lol

[radiant pier]

OHMYGODDDD

[smoky gulch]

There's one instance where Duviri abilities indeed transfer to Origin System - Rank 9 Combat Intrinsic

[tall echo]

Drifter took over a preexisting loop

[radiant pier]

I'VE PLAYED FOR ALMOST 2 MONTHS STRAIGHT AND ONLY NOW DID I REALIZE

[fast dew]

Did you ever realise Mother is narrating duviri?

[storm wharf]

which is why i find that scene so powerful

[radiant pier]

yes

[fast dew]

Well shit. Did you know of Albrecht's empty grave in duviri?

[tall echo]

It's possible that "gara toth" means gara's death, as tot is german for dead

[radiant pier]

listen you have to realize I will get most things but the most obvious stuff? I will absolutely miss

[radiant pier]

the what?

[fast dew]

And that the vagabond [highly suspected to be wally] appears behind it on the envy cycle?

[fast dew]

Albrecht has a empty grave in duviri. The denizens made it for him.

They knew he left, but they felt as if he died so. Built the grave

[fast dew]

He also appears behind Sythel's house on her cycle. You know, the courtier who speaks about him?

[radiant pier]

oh I haven't touched duviri since the quest

[fast dew]

Albrecht also has his mask in the netracells

[radiant pier]

what masks

[fast dew]

The vagabond's mask

[radiant pier]

what's a vagabond

[tall echo]

You really should, it has great stuff

[tall echo]

Bruh

[radiant pier]

I've been trying to finish my star chart

it's only survival missions left

[fast dew]

The vagabond! Note the missing finger.

[radiant pier]

what about the finger?

[fast dew]

First image, look at the hand. See the missing finger

[radiant pier]

yeah what about it

[fast dew]

... what does wally not have?

[radiant pier]

....hair?

I don't know-

[fast dew]

Hes missing a finger 😭

[tall echo]

Dude

Pay more attention, seriously

[smoky gulch]

Huh, guess an Index bet went wrong

[fast dew]

BAH

[radiant pier]

ohhh

[smoky gulch]

What's lore discussion without some light joking~

[radiant pier]

why's he missing a finger

[tall echo]

Humbug?

[radiant pier]

LISTEN, I'M TOO BUSY TO PAY ATTENTION TO THE LITTLE STUFF SOMETIMES

I'm too amazed by everything

[fast dew]

Go to deimos, go to necraloid, and listen to those things behind him.

Scrap be nice.

[tall echo]

You're gonna make me cry

[radiant pier]

this is literally my fifth pc game of all time

[tall echo]

Never

[fast dew]

[radiant pier]

oh god I need to do 2 defection missions?

[storm wharf]

The single most important event in Warframe history

A guy getting his finger caught in a closing door

[fast dew]

And wally decides that he should murder the guy he chased down

I mucking hate wally defenders.

[storm wharf]

I think Wally just wants his fingers back man

[fast dew]

Like how do you somehow forget what he did to Rell? To us?

[radiant pier]

the eldritch abomination hell-bent on making the mortal universe suffer is not your friend bro

[storm wharf]

Imagine if you got your finger stuck in a door

You now cannot leave that doorway

That’s what’s happening to Wally

[fast dew]

Sure, and tormenting an autistic boy for around a thousand years gets that

[storm wharf]

He wasn’t doing it for fun

[fast dew]

He was.

[storm wharf]

Rell was keeping him at bay

[fast dew]

Wally torments for fun.

[storm wharf]

Rell wasn’t just autistic he was autistic and his hyperfixation was void sciences. It’s entirely possible he was using his unique understanding and power over the void to block Wally

[fast dew]

....what.

[smoky gulch]

Wally needs a therapy and a better outlet for negative emotions

[storm wharf]

Play chains of harrow again; Rell talks to his mom about the complexities of the void drive on the zariman

Even before he became Tenno he was more intelligent than most, he was just emotionally stunted

[fast dew]

Ima explain this really simply.

Wally is a predator. He isolates and alienates children from their connections to be able to get something from them. He also is responsible for our parents and others going insane! He's responsible for god knows how many children dying from their parents.

You also forget he killed us. In other timelines, Abandoned drifter, made us watch our friends die, tormented us in the old peace

He has killed countless in collapsing timelines.

[radiant pier]

do we only have 2 versions of ourselves

Drifter and The Operator?

[radiant pier]

can be both

[storm wharf]

But again consider Wally isn’t human. He doesn’t understand us very well or morality. You are asking a being who used to exist across all time and space to only exist in timelines we exploit him

[fast dew]

Except he comes from a human mind?

[storm wharf]

We don’t know that

[opaque zenith]

Alive? yes. Otherwise there's a lot of other dead operators

[fast dew]

Well. He rips from human minds.

[storm wharf]

Thats not the same thing then

[fast dew]

... no.

[radiant pier]

Rell could have had a deeper understanding of the void than most, which unfortunately intrigued this eldritch monster

[fast dew]

Thats what it is. Conceptual embodiment rips from the human mind.

Wally knows what he's doing.

Thats why he does it.

[storm wharf]

That I won’t deny; it’s stated Wally likes unique things, it’s why the Cavia got raised to intelligence according to entrati. So I’ve no doubt the autistic kid who also struggled with emotions would intruigue walky

[radiant pier]

I think you need to come off a bit nicer otherwise that discourages people from talking about lore and theories here

[fast dew]

Hm?

[radiant pier]

the dots and stuff

[fast dew]

Oh, no

[radiant pier]

can come off a bit....annoyed(?)

[fast dew]

Youd be too if you dealt with this about 4 times a day

[radiant pier]

then ignore it, cuz like low-key if I didn't know you I'd probably just keep observations and theories to myself and my buddy who got me into warframe instead of here

you may go off on the homophobes tho

[fast dew]

Mm. You make a point

[pale cedar]

What's wrong with dots?

[fast dew]

Periods, i come off as. Aggressive with them

I usually put them in the middle of my sentences as a way to stop myself from sending a message early

[radiant pier]

yehyeh periods come off kinda aggressive

[storm wharf]

I personally think Wally “torments” us and others because emotional instability is what causes void manifestations; which is his main way of interaction with humanity. He only knows us for our emotional volatility, and he wants to see more of it. It comes off as malicious and antagonistic because that’s what it is to us; to him it’s just stimulus and response.

Which is probably why Rell was able to hold him back so well; his emotions were stunted, he probably had impeccable control over the void.

[radiant pier]

trust me I know, I am a refuge of the r/gunpla discord, but eventually I just started ignoring them

you get like the same 4 type of people complaining about witch from mercury every week

[fast dew]

Mm, I will correct you. Autistic folk don't have stunted emotions, they have stunted understanding of emotions

Stunted control and understanding

[storm wharf]

Fair, bad wording on my part

[fast dew]

Which makes them more vulnerable to manipulation

[radiant pier]

this is nice and cool

THREE DEFECTION MISSIONS?!?

[fast dew]

Me and doom fans. [They're mostly insufferable]

[glass sluice]

Elipses at the end of a sentence can come across as a little passive agressive.

[radiant pier]

I'm just scrolling through the unfinished nodes while I read through here

[radiant pier]

I already know that.

like that! dots are scary

[glass sluice]

I didn't reply to you, I was talking in general about the topic.

[radiant pier]

nono, I'm like....I'm proving you right....as in I agree with you

[fast dew]

Im stressed, I really shouldn't be in a debate about wf lore

[storm wharf]

I struggle to call Wally truly evil because it’s clear he’s meant to be written in the typical “being beyond normal comprehension” style typical of lovecraftian gods. He is a man with his finger stuck in an anthill. Of course he’s gonna mess with the ants a bit. Of course he’s gonna focus attention on the “weird” ones

[fast dew]

Im like 99% sure my housemate has my signed stuff from tennovip among other things so I do admit ive been. Stressed, making me prone to being. Too straightforward

[storm wharf]

My apologies for provoking this then

[glass sluice]

Ah np, yeah the message tone seemed a bit otherwise, but I get ya.

[fast dew]

No, its my own fault

[radiant pier]

don't think of it as a debate, think of it as more of a....yk when someone new enters a space you're familiar with? and you're kinda like intrigued with the different thinking, like me when you first saw my messages when playing through stuff

[glass sluice]

^Thomas, maybe it's best if you don't see this as a debate, and more as a discussion.

[storm wharf]

I prefer discussion yeah

[radiant pier]

yeahyeah!

[fast dew]

Mm? Is debate a bad word?

I figured thats what we were doing

[pale cedar]

Nah

[glass sluice]

We're trying our best here.

[storm wharf]

I just can also get very argumentative/defensive due to my household situation

[glass sluice]

I'm sure you don't mean to come across as confrontational or rude to people, but that is how it comes across.

[opaque zenith]

Just type texts [DIFFERENTLY] with WaCkY quircks to... trigger... everyone! "And when everyone is triggered, ||No one is||"

[radiant pier]

not really, but it can get argumentative and things :v

[storm wharf]

It has semi-confrontational connotations imo

[fast dew]

Both opposing sides and we're talking in order to meet a conclusion leaning to either side

[radiant pier]

not a bad word, just getting a bit more bad rep these days

[glass sluice]

It's honestly not even the word "debate" itself, it's that it's a debate in the first place.
Someone doesn't have to be right and wrong about stuff, it's just differences of opinion.

Just talk about stuff, not prove.

[pale cedar]

Debate is only debatably a bad word

[radiant pier]

quick question, do all warframes have mass produced versions? because I'm reading about stuff and I know there were many many Warframes but I kinda struggle to understand that and how some warframes' lore come off as....one of a kind

like Atlas and Lavos to name a few

[fast dew]

Its more of a 100 of this unit = a Warframe. There was a lot, but there were a lot more other folk

[ashen pulsar]

some were more common than others, since they had different specialties

[pale cedar]

Not mass-produced as there was no need to mass-produce them due to Helminth taking care of them

[ashen pulsar]

certain frames were one-of-a-kind or one specific version of that frame did something

[pale cedar]

There also wasn't enough Tenno to need mass production

[opaque zenith]

By the Ivara Leverian, there were unamed "unwhorthy" warframes, so for the unique frames lore, I think is fair to assume that they proved themselves and got the right to be named and mass-produced

[radiant pier]

omke thank you, that was the only thing I was confused about, so there are one of a kinds and mass produced

[fast dew]

Smthn like Jade was likely a one off

[radiant pier]

what about someone like Atlas? the more I read the more it sounds like he's his own entire guy

[fast dew]

One tenno piloting an atlas

[pale cedar]

Maybe 2 ever if you include Prime

[glass sluice]

I am curious if we'll ever get an exact definition of what an "unworthy frame" is, and why some of them were marked as such.

[radiant pier]

and Lavos....actually Lavos is probably the only one I'm not confused about lmfao

[ashen pulsar]

iirc a significant enough change can permanently change how the strain works

[glass sluice]

Also, how did Entrati get a hold of the Cyte-09 strain if he was "lost", whatever that means.

[fast dew]

Most of the time its not actually a warframe being itself but a tenno inside

Which is something Drusus apparently struggles with separating iirc

[opaque zenith]

Well, "mass-produced" as in there's a "easily replicable" blueprint in case of destruction, like the very Atlas, Inaros or mirage who gottem destroyed in their lore

[fast dew]

Mm. He probably stole it from ballas lol

Gremlin man he is

[pale cedar]

He’s Orokin he can just ask also he wasn't lost he went between 1999 and Origin many times

[ashen pulsar]

he got a copy of the strain before the orokin fell

[strange turtle]

He was lost ater

[radiant pier]

OHHHH

[ashen pulsar]

shrimple

[strange turtle]

but he disappeared in the chaos of their demise. All that remains is a batch name: Cyte-09.

[fast dew]

Ah.

[pale cedar]

He was trapped not lost

[fast dew]

He still probably stole it from ballas

He got Temple's strain somehow, so.

[strange turtle]

Cyte-09

Not Albrecht

[fast dew]

Imagine if you will, a heist with Albrecht n Loid

[pale cedar]

Oh

[radiant pier]

okay enough star chart for today I'm getting lazy

[glass sluice]

@fast dew All it'd be is 90 minutes of them doing the "kiss as a distraction" trope.

[ashen pulsar]

sounds like albert had a lot of warframe strains, why not cyte

[pale cedar]

Tbh Orokin always plotted against each other

[fast dew]

Albrecht is like. Talking to ballas and Loid is currently rummaging around in Ballas' super secret lab

[ashen pulsar]

I kinda wonder what other strain names were like

batch names

[pale cedar]

There's a strain that isn't even named

[fast dew]

"Hey you're also dating your- oh she died. Oh. Oh. 🧍‍♂️ "

[glass sluice]

The temptation I have to make a "the serum is stored in the Ballas" right now is overwhelming, but I'm at least 5% classier than that.

[opaque zenith]

Thor ragnarok, but gay distraction instead of fake hurt sibling distraction

[fast dew]

Who's gonna be stealing shit then 😭

[ashen pulsar]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1159566087059419156/1460387350294302914/IMG_7557.gif

[pale cedar]

Me

[fast dew]

That. Image.

[glass sluice]

Eleanor and Arthur 100% tried that, and you know Arthur was Loki.

[fast dew]

And thats how Albrecht found them!

[pale cedar]

Why hasn't Albrecht ever tried getting me out of this book?

[fast dew]

"Doctor!!"
The devious Albrecht with a mucked moral compass [done before his random sabbatical shit]

[glass sluice]

So I finally got to the point of Aoi moving in after a slow KiM run-through, and she constnatly checks her nails during the conversation. It seems to be the only animation DE gave her, and it runs at least twice every single line she gives.

[fast dew]

Yeah Loid does it too

[glass sluice]

I've seen Aoi's palm more than I've seen my own at this point.

[fast dew]

At least aoi has nails she can see

Loid just does it

For the sake of doing it???

[glass sluice]

Loid is 100% checking his fingernails are clean.

[pale cedar]

Think Loid actually reads the books?

[glass sluice]

ex of mine had that neurosis.

[fast dew]

Brother he cannot see them 😭

[glass sluice]

neurosees? I hate that word.

[fast dew]

They're behind his glove

[glass sluice]

It doesn't matter, it's a nervous twitch.
Most people don't even notice they're doing them.

[pale cedar]

Why isn't Albrecht mad that we stole his books?

[fast dew]

Yk i should understand it more i get like tbat

Not with nails but like

Anxious Thomas when it comes to weaving like a mucking horse

[ashen pulsar]

Yes.

https://tenor.com/view/kuva-nuke-kuva-nuke-kuva-warframe-warframe-gif-11532581252391101624

[fast dew]

Or grinding my teeth but i cant do that

[fast dew]

He probably doesnt know, and nor does he think we should have ever gotten them 😭

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-bnp-sad-wisp-gif-20541371

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[smoky gulch]

Complaining about peak? Smh

[fast dew]

Where's my Loid explode gif

[glass sluice]

Actually I'm curious, do we have any where that lists if Clans as a thing are like, part of the established lore, or are they just a thing that exists and sort of float around it.

[smoky gulch]

Oh, the worse Loid

[fast dew]

Excuse you.

[glass sluice]

This is how I know I'd be terrible in a police line up, I did not notice a major difference between the two.

[fast dew]

Fine. Have necraloid.

[smoky gulch]

The facsimile of Loid is nice and kind, not snarky and annoyed at it all

So obviously the facsimile is loved for being hollow

[fast dew]

Im. Good at police line-ups, but tbf i know most folk here

[uneven dune]

oldie gay exploration

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[uneven dune]

🫃

[fast dew]

Thats right, its Albrecht who would.

[tall echo]

yk what I'm gonna annoy you

both

[glass sluice]

to be fair, i have been on the other side before, so I do know the deal.

It wasn't for murders, I promise.

[fast dew]

Eh I was in for attempted, so dont worry

[glass sluice]

Protest stuff, ya know how it is 🏳️‍🌈

[fast dew]

... it was against my asshole of a father, similar stuff id say

[smoky gulch]

Based on both counts

[radiant pier]

fairs

[smoky gulch]

Do Arbiters of Hexis provide Tenno's enemies with drones invulnerable to Warframe powers?

[glass sluice]

It's like how Elvis's Manager would sell "I hate Elvis" pins too.

[fast dew]

Heh.

Thats funny as shit

[smoky gulch]

They are very much in Arbiter style, after all

[storm wharf]

like in arbitrations lol?

yes that is literally what is happening in arbitrations

[smoky gulch]

Yeah, these drones are stylised in Arbiter way

[storm wharf]

its the arbiters running those missions

the arbiters are like the weebs to teshins actual samurai

they effectively worship the tenno and are "trying to challenge us to reach our full potential"

[smoky gulch]

So they give a bunch of Corpus or Grineer a bunch of drones, tell them there will be Tenno there and watch their oshi massacre thousands?

[storm wharf]

yes

that is exactly correct

"yeah so the tenno are coming, here these have stuff they want in them"

[ashen pulsar]

like teshin

[opaque zenith]

On the bright side they also give some technology that tampers self-revives as tie-in selling (until Nidri came along, tho)

[storm wharf]

Teshin is at least a licensed mentor and ball twister

The arbiters are just there to watch their favorite streamer kill people

[fast dew]

Real

[storm wharf]

Huh I wonder if that’s why red veil hates hexis. They worship the Tenno that abandoned Rell

And not because red veil are terrorists and hexis believe in law and order (through violence)

[ashen pulsar]

red veil believe in law in order through A LOT of violence

[storm wharf]

Yeah the order that comes after a nuclear fallout lol

They’re a society from the ashes group

[pale cedar]

Veil also believe in order through violence

They want to purge corruption remember

[storm wharf]

No yeah absolutely

Just realized the veil worship essentially the Fallen Angel of the Tenno

Aiding their sorta Satanic cult vibe compared to the arbiters Crusader vibes

[pale cedar]

RV and SM are basically meant to be like sword and shield

[storm wharf]

Yeah

We love steel meridian

Why can’t they be the ones giving us the good galvanized stuff

[ashen pulsar]

not quite. they don't want to destroy everyone for no reason. they just want to purge what they think is corrupt, so likely corpus, grineer, and other corrupt groups

[storm wharf]

No yeah sure

The problem is those are the dominant factions

[pale cedar]

It’s funny how SM are perfect fine with RV killing the people they want to save

[storm wharf]

I mean

They’re grineer

[ashen pulsar]

SM can't just save grineer

[storm wharf]

They come from a society where you eat your siblings as effectively as food

That too

[ashen pulsar]

grineer obey queens

[storm wharf]

SM knows most of their kind is unsalvageable

They are a guild of exceptions, mutants

[ashen pulsar]

SM can save the few with no loyalty genes

[storm wharf]

Not just escapees

[pale cedar]

Kahl actually throws non defective clones at SM

[storm wharf]

Sure because kahl is based and the clones recognize that

[pale cedar]

The clones most likely just leave SM and go back to the fortress or wherever they were stationed

[storm wharf]

I imagine veilbroken clones follow kahl because they assume he’s working on the queens orders because he’s certainly not with narmer

And steel meridian probably just has to gaslight them and keep them away from any broadcasts

[pale cedar]

Kahl doesn’t let them follow him past getting rescued

[storm wharf]

True

There’s none of them at camp save the special sabotage girls

[pale cedar]

He sends them to SM because he finds it to be too dangerous

Small group safer

[deep smelt]

So we canonically just replicate frames? Meaning there’s a excal prime/original somewhere out there?

[storm wharf]

Yes

The foundry 100% is just a fabricator

[pale cedar]

Old Peace basically explained why non founders haven’t got an Excal Prime anymore

[dark compass]

Yeah, I ate it

Sorry

[storm wharf]

Also can we acknowledge that Hildryn prime was made to be Ballas’s personal bodyguard

Which calls into question his taste in women varying wildly lol

[deep smelt]

So jade when I use her, is carrying a replicated baby in her?

[pale cedar]

Was it tasty?

[storm wharf]

No the baby is gone

[dark compass]

No it wasn't

[dark compass]

There's a second aura slot though...

[deep smelt]

But she still has the preggo belly in my orbiter😓😓

[deep smelt]

Might be onto something

[storm wharf]

Yeah because warframes are husks of people at the time of infection

[pale cedar]

It’s just a ball of energy that can’t give birth

[fast dew]

Well. Most orokin didn't really see gender. Became pointless

[storm wharf]

What’s currently in there is the demon core

[midnight ice]

baby is gone and we fit the aura mod in the space?

[dark compass]

It's a husk, of her child.

Just like it's a husk of her

[storm wharf]

Bro the only female frame (other than the upcoming Folie) that breaks the mold of lithe lady

Is the one ballas made specifically to stand next to him

Just saying

[fast dew]

Eh

[storm wharf]

I’m mostly joking lol

[dark compass]

Pretty sure Dagath has a slightly different body type as well

Unless my mind conjures things

[storm wharf]

Not as different as Hildryn lol

[pale cedar]

Dagath isn’t even headless like the theme suggests just faceless

[storm wharf]

And arguably no not really lol

[fast dew]

Mm.

[nocturne plover]

So I got caught up and finished the old peace last night and I’m trying to make sense of it. My thoughts are all over the place. Feel free to correct me if I’m wrong on any of these points.

The Old Peace is a timeline that didn’t come to pass—a timeline where we make it to the Tau system and the Sentients become our allies. It’s still a probable timeline though because of Eternalism, right? Why was the Operator exploring a different timeline in the first place?

And then I’m still trying to wrap my head around the existence of both the Operator and the Drifter. They exist at the same time, but they’re also separate people??

[fast dew]

Timeline part is incorrect, its actual history, just forgotten to us

And you answered the second one with eternalism

[storm wharf]

We have so much trauma that we got brain wiped out of

[opaque zenith]

First: No multiverse here, we killed them all;
Second:

[nocturne plover]

I thought we never made it to the Tau system though after the Zariman incident?

[opaque zenith]

We did but forgor

[heady quest]

i kinda wanna see more areas for those factions. Like a whole tileset surrounding them (i mean the syndicate factions)

[fast dew]

We did, but we forgot due to Margulis.

[nocturne plover]

But the Sentients did and then they turned against the Orokin empire

https://tenor.com/view/math-confused-gif-21641306

[storm wharf]

I do too

Get palladino out of the grineer interception map

[heady quest]

like imagine a whole arbiters of hexis area

[fast dew]

After failed peace, they became sentient and suddenly theres moral concerns

[storm wharf]

Idk last time we got syndicate content I think was with dagath

And god those missions suck

[nocturne plover]

So we did make it to Tau but still had the Zariman incident??

[fast dew]

I mean with the exception of like. Isleweaver and the old peace we got syndicate stuff

[fast dew]

We came home and the sentients finished the solar rail to tau

[restive lantern]

Yus

[nocturne plover]

So it basically goes zariman incident > go home > solar rail is finished > old peace happens?

[fast dew]

Mhm. Oh. And there was a first half of the old war, old peace, then the second half

[opaque zenith]

Zariman was just Tuvul being impatient to wait to the clompetion of the rail

[fast dew]

What a dumbass lol

[nocturne plover]

Who is Tuvul………..

[fast dew]

One of the 7

[nocturne plover]

OH

[fast dew]

The others being Avantus, Ballas, Karrish, Niktohk, Tormis and Scarne

[mild cave]

So i got a question: We all know that Ordis is old and dying, so when is he gonna die? or get a quest about fixing him or so on? Its gotta be soon i would assume, he's been struggling to run for 13 years 😭 So the bigger question is, when is his quest line coming out?

[fast dew]

Hes. A glass cube

Hes been long dead

[mild cave]

A cephilon, a Ai construct, thats failing since the start of our journeys

[fast dew]

No, a vitrified person

A cephalon was a person once.

[nocturne plover]

Cephalons were originally people

[heady quest]

I think zariman was before where the orokin wanted to travel a whole planet sized colony ship through the void. After the incident, the orokin then decided to just send small ships of self replicating terraforming machines which eventually let them develop sentience and declared war upon the orokin

[fast dew]

What you're seeing is the malfunction of his altered mind

You're seeing, hearing Ordan. What's his nickname? The... something to do with bones.

[mild cave]

Oh i see, so then why was Simaris treating him like he was gonna die and fail? Also i already knew he was a person i was just trynna figure somethin out

[restive lantern]

I think ordis is just a lil quirky I don't think he's dying or anything?

Simaris is basically manipulating him

[fast dew]

Oh. Octavia's anthem? Iirc that was cus Hunhow was inside the weave

[heady quest]

During that first sentient war, the zariman returned by which then warframes were developed and the Tenno could pilot them to fight back the sentients. Then we made a very fragile peace on Tau

[restive lantern]

He's kinda a jerk ngl

[mild cave]

No the Chroma one

[nocturne plover]

Ahh gotcha

[fast dew]

Gonna need to read the transcript for that one hold on

[mild cave]

(bck story is i made a second account and im just redoing the story with a friend i got into the game and i started to think about it)

[fast dew]

To the archives

[mild cave]

I thought it would be a cool idea to explore Ordis in a story or quest of some kind just to try to either fix him, or understand him some more

[fast dew]

Can't. Exactly fix him without knowing how cephalons really work

[restive lantern]

I don't think he needs fixed really but a quest about him would be fun

[fast dew]

High chance he's permanently screwed

Shout out to Nihil what the shit dude

[mild cave]

Well could dive into that a bit, we still have the zarimen half out of the void right? wouldnt some system or archive on board help us?

I mean it is one of the only orikin vessels left

[fast dew]

Unlikely?

Glassing was a very severe punishment that wasnt done lightly

Even to the orokin it was incredibly taboo

[heady quest]

The problem with that is that all his lore is in the fragments which many people don’t even know that there is a transcript behind them when completing all of them. They recently added more hints to who ordis was like in the jade mission, but giving him a full quest on his backstory will make the original lore redundant.

[fast dew]

... he was a murderer. Mass murderer. A mercenary.

He was offered to become an orokin.

And he went off to try and kill them too.

Hence such a severe and humiliating punishment.

[midnight ice]

a mass murderer so grown into the mass-murdering culture that he quite literally has a self destruct mechanism built into himself

jugulars twining around bone plugs that could double as daggers

like john mass murderer

[fast dew]

Mm. What was Chroma's quest again? The new strange?

[heady quest]

The problem now a day is to make sure that old story isn’t rewritten or duplicated in the game and because they added the original lore for ordis behind such a weird grind that many people don’t do, makes it difficult to add more of him. Cause people that know that lore are not gonna be satisfied cause they already know about it and the new people are gonna question it more saying why haven’t they elaborated on that already

[mild cave]

yeah the new strange

[fast dew]

Oh

Yeah no it was Hunhow

Again

[mild cave]

Hunhow?

I thougth it was simaris telling Ordis he should join the sactuary?

[fast dew]

Iirc this quest leads to hunhow's existence in octavia's anthem

[mild cave]

Really?

So that means Hunhow was messing with the Tenno before Natah?

[heady quest]

Octavia’s anthem happens after second dream

Because in the quest we go to Lua

[fast dew]

Yeah, because hes hearing voices and those voices seem to be hunhow. Womb in the sky and all

[mild cave]

Im talking about the New Strange where Simaris is chasing that orikin recording and it leads to Chorma

[heady quest]

Oh nvm then sry

[midnight ice]

yes, and in the process you find machines that speak of this

[mild cave]

Damn thats wild

[fast dew]

Those recordings arent orokin, theyre sentient. Thats hunhow

[heady quest]

Wait is new strange the one with the arcana machine thing?

[fast dew]

Racist space grandpa with a uterus, which might be literal

[heady quest]

Wasn’t that a sentient artifact that activated the whole sentient thing?

[midnight ice]

its 2 different parts of the quest
you both chase the machine and ordis gets gaslit into thinking he's a piece of garbage and Hunhow messes with you (note how the machine is half a sentients face)

[mild cave]

That was Maroo but similar machine is used to drag out Chorma

[heady quest]

Damn poor ordis

I honestly don’t remember that quest 😂

[mild cave]

Wait the machine had a sentient face????

[midnight ice]

new strange is such a wild goose chase everyones running into walls trying to rmb what its about

[mild cave]

Ohh so while we're focused on Ordis being gaslit we over look the clues to Hunhow?

[fast dew]

Mhm

[mild cave]

thats crazy

[heady quest]

And new strange is not a main quest?

[fast dew]

Smart, i think. You'll see the same with Albrecht and his soft launch

[fast dew]

It used to be iirc

[mild cave]

Side quest

[heady quest]

Damn bro the main quest line is so broken. All the side quests are too important for context and details

[midnight ice]

sentient face

[fast dew]

The fella

[heady quest]

Yeah that is just a piece of sentient 😂

[midnight ice]

you can see the typical bulbous eyes and really small upper mandible

[mild cave]

I didnt really understand Albrecht in 1999, for a second i thought it was hm but i think it wasnt him for a while then he acted like i was him and shi

[mild cave]

alr i see it now 😭

thats crazy awesome

[fast dew]

Yeah, protip, check the eyes. You'll know if its Albrecht or not. The bastard has the most scary blue eyes known to man.

[midnight ice]

he's also quoting the Popol Vuh, which comes up multiple times

[heady quest]

So sad that the story has to be reduced just so new players can access late context faster

[fast dew]

Im still pissed they changed his eyes

[heady quest]

Like I get it, but I it’s just sad

[mild cave]

The whole time his eyes seemed white to me, even in the recording to the tenno to stop the bomb

[fast dew]

Give man's his white eyes again

[fast dew]

Mm. You played a while ago.

[midnight ice]

heterophobia in the eyes 💔

[fast dew]

His eyes are blue now.

They changed it.

[mild cave]

I play on switch so i dont get alot of details as well as pc users and such do

[fast dew]

Mm, I wanna say techrot encore? Maybe base 1999

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[mild cave]

Yeah thats him

[fast dew]

Excuse the image, its the fastest one I got

Those are his old eyes.

[mild cave]

Whats his story anyway, is he Mother's father or like

[fast dew]

Yup, you asked the right person too

[midnight ice]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-entrati-albrecht-entrati-entrati-walking-gif-17751004503897443807

[fast dew]

Okay. So Albrecht was this orokin scientist. Obsessed with the void

[mild cave]

Like i got that tid bit about her talking abotu her father in the heart of demis mission

[mild cave]

Got that part

[fast dew]

Turns out, the orokin thought he was a bit abnormal and gave him a wife

He uh. Hes gay. So that didn't work

[mild cave]

yeah 😭

[fast dew]

Had a child, woman died

[mild cave]

Rip

[nocturne plover]

Real

[fast dew]

Child being Euleria Entrati [mother]

Loid, the Archimedian assistant turned butler turned lover

Helped raise her, it seems

When Albrecht struggled. Because brother had mad depression

[mild cave]

Kinda like a care taker ig

[fast dew]

Nah, think step father deal

[mild cave]

Ah

[opaque zenith]

1:05, seems like it was the original plan for him to have blue eyes https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AHK0PKxnlQ&list=PLDmrv5FhAWj_bJMD0XOpXLrfc74HZnFsB&index=58

[nocturne plover]

Why do some orokin look like normal humans (loid, albrecht) while others have one larger limb or have blue skin?

[fast dew]

Loid isnt orokin, Albrecht chose not to

[mild cave]

The orikin have longer right arms then left

i noticed that with all of them

[fast dew]

Anyways, void incident happens. Albrecht gets reckless. Frustrated. Goes into the void to prove people wrong

And he. Almost mucking dies lmao

[mild cave]

You mean the Zarimen?

[fast dew]

Nup, void incident.

The creation of wally.

[mild cave]

Oh okay

[strange turtle]

The arm and skin stuff were just a cosmetic trend

[fast dew]

Man in the wall

[nocturne plover]

Ohhhh so a person can become orokin via the kuva

[midnight ice]

fashion trend 💔

[fast dew]

So, Albrecht goes into the void using a seriglass bell. Bell shatters. He gets hurt. Severely. He falls into the void

[midnight ice]

its hip to look like a deimos broodmother at the time

[strange turtle]

Well, not just a trend, the arm thing was so significant they had this wholeass excuse about it representing their generosity or something. But it’s ultimately just fashion stuff

[fast dew]

Smashes his head on the marble floor, thinks its his labs. Whuh oh, its the void and theres a man infront of him that looks identical to him

[nocturne plover]

Wally!!

[midnight ice]

albrecht is orokin
he chose not to look like them or undergo Continuity

[mild cave]

Let me guess, he makes some deal to survive and forgets he's dealing with the demon ahh wally thing?

[fast dew]

Correct. Wally, in his dipshitness calls Albrecht Little Bengel. that being german for brat/rascal.

A name Albrecht's mother used to call him, when he was little.

Several centuries ago.

Albrecht, understandably freaks out.

[midnight ice]

-# shh he'll get to it

[strange turtle]

You can actually do the skin thing with your own character by maxing out focus schools to unlock stuff, they’re called Refacia kits, basically fancy full-body tattoos

[mild cave]

Hm so this entitiy kinda just imprinted the first person it saw into himself?

[fast dew]

Wally reaches out, and Albrecht runs the shit away

[mild cave]

-# Mb chat 😔

[fast dew]

Turns out, hes really hurt.

[restive lantern]

That's absolutely wild

[fast dew]

Throwing up, blinded, throat obliterated

[dark compass]

||Orokin sharpie bath ||

[fast dew]

Wally is still reaching out. So, he uses his own blood to write to his daughter to close the opening to the void

Which closes on Wally's fingers.

To explain, what just happened was something called conceptual embodiment

[mild cave]

Ouch

[fast dew]

This is how Duviri was created too

Albrecht or his daughter likely penned the term

[midnight ice]

||with vodka in the bathtub||

[fast dew]

So. CE [conceptual embodiment] is when you interact with the void, when experiencing strong emotions.

You can. Accidentally make shit

[lean garden]

Euleria, aged 2: Duweewee

[midnight ice]

guweewee

[fast dew]

Its rarely, and yet to have happen so far, intentionally done

[restive lantern]

Ngl the orokin skin thing makes me deeply uncomfortable and give me anxiety to look at their hair

[mild cave]

So the void takes what you are feeling and imprints that onto itself and using it thinking that's normal?

[fast dew]

Its not just imprinting. It can make fully sentient things.

Wally being an example.

Duviri is another

Skittergirl too

And the holdfasts

[mild cave]

Okay so what IS wally then? was it created by albrecht?

Or by soemthing that happened to him?

[fast dew]

A void construct, likely.

He was made by Albrecht, but unintentionally

[mild cave]

Like something else made it to guard the void?

oh

[nocturne plover]

So wait, Wally wasn’t a pre-existing being who existed in the void?

Ohhh

[fast dew]

Now. We left Albrecht bleeding out on the floor. He lived! Loid presumably dragged his ass to the m e m b r a n e, he was however, permanently mucked up from it

[lean garden]

Origins debatable, but my rear end is firmly sat in the camp that wally only existed because albrecht had a booboo interacting with the void the first time

[nocturne plover]

I was under the impression the void was Wally’s domain and we disturbed him enough that he’s mad at us

[restive lantern]

We don't know for sure

[dark compass]

It's a point of debate in-game still

We don't have a true answer yet

[nocturne plover]

Ahh okay

[fast dew]

So, Albrecht being a coward, threw animals at wally, after wishing he could've just died and all

[dark compass]

You can actually try and debate Roathe on it

[mild cave]

same or i assumed he was some being put there to suffer for something and wally turned it into his own domain

[fast dew]

The animals were supposed to dumb wally down.

[restive lantern]

Take others interpretation with a grain of salt, a lot of the lore involving the void isn't for sure

[mild cave]

Oh......

instead the animals got smarter...

[fast dew]

To be fair, the hypothesis was sound

[dark compass]

Game itself throws that as a question so there isn't even a concrete answer somewhere

[fast dew]

Actually, no. Most died.

[lean garden]

the only ones who survived did

[mild cave]

oh

[fast dew]

We dont know what kind of animals

Outside the 4 we see.

[mild cave]

Sounds like he just threw all of his science experiments at it and only 4 came back

[fast dew]

3. 3 came back.

[nocturne plover]

You could say he was throwing stuff at the wall and seeing what stuck

[fast dew]

Albrecht was correct in the idea that wally was interested in uniqueness

However he did not anticipate what happened

[restive lantern]

He's kinda just throwing shit at it and hoping it helps

[midnight ice]

minn is stuck there for sure, heh.

[fast dew]

He never even knew how they got exposed to the degree they did.

[restive lantern]

He isn't... Very good at this

[mild cave]

I would do the same ngl

[fast dew]

So, we don't know how it exactly happened

I personally believed he tried to off himself.

He threw himself into the void again.

[midnight ice]

wasnt the high exposure due to Fibbs opening the hatch because he was horrified of sentience

[mild cave]

Okay is he mentally okay

[nocturne plover]

Yeah, Rell’s ASD attracted Wally for example

[fast dew]

No, not really

[mild cave]

Right

[fast dew]

Nah i didnt finish, I mean how he got into duviri

[lean garden]

eeeh, not really

[mild cave]

i thought at the end fo that one it was wall in control of rell

[midnight ice]

oh WHOOPS

[fast dew]

He goes on about. "I must atone for what I had done through my own blood" and not using scapegoats.

So. You can imagine how that looks

[nocturne plover]

Rell was “different” and because of this he was an outcast among the other Zariman kids

sounds and feelings overwhelmed him

[lean garden]

Rell's condition didnt attract wally, but because of what rell had to do to manage his emotions, as well as other things, rell was able to suss out wally's existence

[fast dew]

Man does something about throwing things into the void, then says lets not use other things

So. Thats an interpretation

[lean garden]

sure, but that doesnt mean wally was attracted to rell because of that

[nocturne plover]

Wally is attracted to unique beings, though

[fast dew]

He abandoned his daughter. His Loid.
-# heh.

[lean garden]

Rell put himself in wally's way by being the sole vigil against wally

[nocturne plover]

And in Rell’s case he was “unique”

[fast dew]

And was essentially tormented by Duviri itself for it

Duviri is narrated by his daughter.

He had to wake up hearing her voice again and again

[restive lantern]

as much as people have theories we don't really know what attracts the man in the wall

[nocturne plover]

True

[fast dew]

And he quite deservedly felt like a coward

Though, I wont ever call someone a coward for trying to off themselves

He then realised however

The characters, the stories

Were his own he told his daughter

[lean garden]

sure, but based on the comic and the quest, the reason why wally goes after rell is because rell went to bat against him solo for a really, really, long time

[fast dew]

He made the characters purely for Euleria's delight

[mild cave]

vulnerable people? i mean case one, Albrecht, he was dying, case two, the tenno child? case three rell, or something like that

[lean garden]

I mean wally has also appeared to yonta, baro and an entire village of duviri folk

[fast dew]

Yeah. Tldr wally acts like a predator and isolates children and vulnerable folk to get shit out of them

[mild cave]

Yonte? whos that

[nocturne plover]

Oh right, I haven’t read the comic just yet so I should do that

[fast dew]

So, reinvigorated by the idea that even his daughter can fight, he leaves duviri after teaching them how to fight wally incase he ever comes

[opaque zenith]

Ghost of Yonta (technicaly not even wrong)

[fast dew]

Which. He does. Multiple times

[lean garden]

have you done Angels of the Zariman?

[mild cave]

OH HER

[fast dew]

So. Now we get to the vessels and the hex.

[mild cave]

okay i get it now

[fast dew]

We do not know why Albrecht made the protoframes originally.

Theres the belief he did it to protect the folk in 1999

But he did it for a reason. We just dont know

[mild cave]

So were the hex altered by albrecht? like how do they have the warframe abilities? how is the tenno able to well, transfer into them?

[midnight ice]

archimedean yonta is the cutest woman in the game ever bar none

also, Holdfast vendor

[nocturne plover]

Yes, they were altered by albrecht

same as the triad

[fast dew]

Protoframes! He [probably] stole warframe serums from ballas, modified them and gave them to the hex.

[mild cave]

Figures, pets wasnt enough, lets fck with humans next

[nocturne plover]

he injected them with the Juice that Turns You Into A Protoframe /hj

[fast dew]

Under false pretences, which he felt necessary at the time. He has since learned its not good.

[strange turtle]

It’s like how warframes are made, but it doesn’t go all the way (but also still slowly does because Infestation)

[fast dew]

Pets being. Norg and a bird?

[mild cave]

Hm interesting

So are they wearing the warframe suits or is that their flesh now?

[fast dew]

Thats their flesh

[nocturne plover]

Their flesh

[strange turtle]

Its them

[fast dew]

It was incrediblely painful

[nocturne plover]

Their suits are fused to them

[fast dew]

But i do wonder how the others didnt catch on

[mild cave]

so how is their faces not well yk?

[fast dew]

Did the one dude do it all at once somehow

[strange turtle]

.

[nocturne plover]

In roathe’s case his skin in some places is fused to his armor

[mild cave]

Maybe?

[fast dew]

Partially, and the face might be the last part to go

[mild cave]

So they still could be changing?

[restive lantern]

He kinda be experimenting like a mad man. He does it again too

[fast dew]

They are.

[mild cave]

If that is so why was the Proto volt having problems with his heart using his speed?

[fast dew]

However, they likely die before they become full warframes.

[fast dew]

Mm, probably! We dont exactly know the mechanics behind warframe abilities in general, but thats probably why

[mild cave]

Whats next frankenstein?

[fast dew]

Yk. 18 radiation wars n all

[mild cave]

Hm i see

my next question is, how did earth go form 1999, to what it is now?

Is the civis of Cetus just humans radiated and infected?

[fast dew]

So, he made the hex. He then began making the vessels. Loid pointed out that the grey strain [infestation] makes shit big. And Albrecht had the brilliant idea of hybridising the greystrain and the helminth [warframe]

[fast dew]

Orokin tomfoolery later on

[fast dew]

So. Thats how the vessels are so large.

Now. Either before or after the creation of the round table [im inclined to say before], Albrecht mucked off to some time before xx99

[strange turtle]

18 Radiation Wars, thousands of years, and a bit of super-terraforming from Silvana’s trees + avoiding the uninhabitable areas

[fast dew]

And hung out with Marie n lyon

[nocturne plover]

The vessels are the giant statues in the sanctum, yes?

[strange turtle]

Yes

[strange turtle]

No they just look like that

[fast dew]

For about 3 years

[mild cave]

I mean i would assume if the radiations didnt unraven their original human dna they would still be part human just deformed

[fast dew]

Then, later on, came back with Roathe. Explaining what he was and what was happening

[nocturne plover]

Oh yeah and the fingers Wally lost from the void incident with Albrecht now power the Reliquaries ☝️

[fast dew]

Offered them helminth, using Roathe as an example

[fast dew]

Oh. Yeah. No we arent sure that was him

Its only stated the orokin did that

He just figured the science behind it

The duplication behind the fingers is still unknown

[nocturne plover]

Albrecht mentions the fingers that were severed grew in size

They were duplicated though

[mild cave]

Okay now i have to ask, what's Follie's story in all of this? From what i remember the vesper station was blown up by grineer?

[nocturne plover]

Not sure how

[fast dew]

No, thats the guilt he had. The fear of being wally

[nocturne plover]

Ohhhhh

[fast dew]

But not by him, we do not know how or why they did

[pale cedar]

Blown up by Wally actually

[mild cave]

Wait really?

[midnight ice]

ostron are still human entirely

[mild cave]

Then could Follie be some kind of substance he leaves behind in our realm?

[pale cedar]

Yeah, Wally aligning the Baros blew up the relays

[midnight ice]

when did this happen

[fast dew]

So, he makes the triad, and he left them with the. "Can the orokin ever be forgiven" question to Roathe. Remember, this is not about the orokin. Its about himself and he's using Roathe as a proxy.

[mild cave]

Why did Wall want the station blown up tho

[midnight ice]

vesper was a balor fomorian messup

[pale cedar]

Ask him I’m just the messenger

[midnight ice]

huh????

[fast dew]

Roathe spoilers ||Roathe willingly chose to become a proto as well||

[midnight ice]

source?

[pale cedar]

We had vesper till Crossplay came out

[fast dew]

He then mucked off to 1999 permanently. He wrote Loid an apology, and left with kalymos.

[midnight ice]

who is we, xb1?
canonically vesper was destroyed by the fomorian. the xbox sync is probably a handwave

[mild cave]

Wait so then how is Kalymos in both the present and the past?

[fast dew]

Albrecht lived through the same day. For god knows how many times.

[fast dew]

Hm? What do you mean?

[mild cave]

Kalymos was still in the present time line where the tenno is, and in 1999

didnt you notice that?

[fast dew]

Thats. Still 1999

The backroom area is 1999

[mild cave]

No i remember it being around Loid when he first woke up

[fast dew]

...huh

Did. Did you have her skin?

[mild cave]

No i dont have pets of drones on when i do quests for that reason

[fast dew]

You..might be remembering the first part

[mild cave]

i go in as a plain warframe sometimes

[fast dew]

Where loid smashed the coffin

[mild cave]

No it was during the Kalymous thing

[nocturne plover]

Kalymos shouldn’t be around during that cutscene at least

[mild cave]

Loid drone asked tenno to help wake up THE loid

[fast dew]

Yeah no you. Shouldn't have seen her at all

[mild cave]

and when Loid wakes up you can see Kalymous rub up on his leg

I swear thats what i saw..

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-cat-turning-head-confused-cat-rizalalthur-orange-cat-behavior-gif-10491959385063137392

[nocturne plover]

Time to play it all over again

[fast dew]

Yeah no that sounds like intro cutscene to whispers

But it was Albrecht

We never see Loid interact with Kalymos

[mild cave]

Ik a skinny gay loid when i said a skinny gay loid fam 😭😭

i played the quest the day of its release

[fast dew]

Hes not skinny 😭

[mild cave]

he a twig 😭

[fast dew]

Hes lean but hes still pretty solid

[pale cedar]

He’s not fat either

[fast dew]

Have you seen his upper arms 😭

Have you seen his chest?

[mild cave]

Why would i wanna see that

[pale cedar]

Albrecht was fat till he wasn’t

[fast dew]

Those are pecs, well defined too

[dark compass]

He's using a duplex trigger shotgun

[fast dew]

And i miss it every day we go without it.

[dark compass]

You gotta have a way to handle the recoil

[fast dew]

Loid can also doublejump

[mild cave]

I swear tho it is kalymous

[dark compass]

Praying he goes bluebrecht for Tau and we get that old design

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

[restive lantern]

He's literally so skinny lololol

[fast dew]

Same, or at least changes clothes.

[pale cedar]

Is his head ok after smacking it into Wally?

[dark compass]

Limbo physique

[fast dew]

Yeah he'll live

He is actively attacking the fragmented one, he'll be more than fine.

I do imagine he had a massive migraine after

Maybe a concussion from how sick that flip was
-# he did it too fast

[midnight ice]

boioioing

[restive lantern]

If loid isn't skinny I'm very afraid to think what skinny means 😭

[mild cave]

So im assuming after Wally had the vesper station blown up or wtv, he some how left like entrails or like some kinda of waste behind that would become Follie?

[fast dew]

Also, he has the boob window 😭

[dark compass]

Super mario style jump

[mild cave]

he has a what now

[fast dew]

Go look at loid 😭

[mild cave]

he got boob windows?

[restive lantern]

Yeah he has a little window on his outfit

[fast dew]

Wait hold on i might have the artstation

[mild cave]

wtf the orikin doing

[restive lantern]

He's not orokin

[mild cave]

Huh.

[fast dew]

This works

[mild cave]

Oh

thats called a v neck

[fast dew]

Those are pecs. Thats muscle

[midnight ice]

to be clear, canonically Vesper relay was blown up from the Balor Fomorian doing its thing. the "wally blew it up" was a handwave (i guess its canon in eternalism/the xbox timeline) to explain the sync-up for crossplay between pc and xbox

[fast dew]

No, thats. Not a v neck 😭 it shows his "boob"

[fast dew]

Those being pectoral muscles, well defined ones

[dark compass]

In good quality

[midnight ice]

because at the end of Eyes of Blight, vesper was still standing only in xbox

[fast dew]

Ones you don't get by being skinny

[mild cave]

Isnt the Balor Fomorian the Grineer?

[dark compass]

Sorry I blew it up

[midnight ice]

yes

[fast dew]

You dont really. Get them at all actually

[restive lantern]

Literally why did they make his chest look like that dfjkkbg

[dark compass]

I left the microwave on

[midnight ice]

and nuclear blew it up too

[dark compass]

Liger design

[mild cave]

Okay so i was right but how would that explain Follie being a thing?

[fast dew]

So. Debate over, Loid is lean, not skinny.

[pale cedar]

Why did Loid go from blondish hair to grey?

[strange turtle]

https://youtu.be/VbsX9nbkhwo
can confirm, no Kalymos 15:00

[fast dew]

Lighting nuking it

He also has black/grey on his temples and sides of his beard

[midnight ice]

we'll find out in shadowgrapher [titlecard]

[mild cave]

Im kinda excited for that

[pale cedar]

It looked better before lighting

[mild cave]

ayo wait you another tv head??

[restive lantern]

"he's buff I promise" meanwhile what Loid looks like in game;

[fast dew]

Grey/black hair!

[midnight ice]

i love more spooky quests and if it makes people do chains of harrow ill take it

[restive lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/skeleton-michał-szumski-szkielet-mister-szumski-szumski-michał-gif-7878133532389279215

[mild cave]

felt, i liked the rap tap tap that spooked me

[fast dew]

So. What conclusion do we come to.

[tall echo]

isn't CoH mandatory tho

[dark compass]

I need to eat

[fast dew]

Does he dye the black parts, or does he bleach the blonde

[midnight ice]

oh i forgor..........

everybody do CoH NOW

[smoky gulch]

Xaku having fun

[mild cave]

CoH?

[midnight ice]

i need to sleep 💔

[mild cave]

Felt

[smoky gulch]

Chains of Harrow quest

[midnight ice]

chains of harrow
mandatory warframe quest and wally first appearance

[dark compass]

Chispers on Hhewalls

[mild cave]

Ah

[tall echo]

che old hwar

[restive lantern]

Loid has like salt and pepper grayish hair

[fast dew]

Che old heace

[midnight ice]

been for a while! specifically an ibm aptiva :]

Capostasy Hrologue

[mild cave]

I've been a tv-head myself for a few years :p

[fast dew]

Yall are tvs?

[restive lantern]

Tv head frame when

[mild cave]

My friend beans drew my pfp recently

[fast dew]

Man I wish. Im stuck in this stupid ass rabbit body

[mild cave]

FR THO

[fast dew]

I feel the rage of a man far too big for his body

[dark compass]

You people have a body?

[fast dew]

Unfortunately.

[mild cave]

Felt tho

[fast dew]

Cannot wait till I escape it

[smoky gulch]

Reminds me of using Milton library assistant avatar I was using

[fast dew]

Abandon the weakness of flesh.

[smoky gulch]

Eh, we're just ghosts in the shells

[fast dew]

And connective tissue.

Shit hurts bro

[dark compass]

Fool, the flesh can grow stronger. The machine confines your potential

[fast dew]

My arms still hurt from moving and its been almost 2 weeks

[dark compass]

Actually no in your case it's probably better

[fast dew]

Alas, my flesh is deteriorating

[restive lantern]

NGL that's part of the reason I love how the techrot looks

[midnight ice]

youre gonna see me like those framemaxxers with 900 noggles 1000 crafted frames and one prime with 999 forma in it

[smoky gulch]

Live, make more people, peace out. That's what you're made for, not living 80 years

[dark compass]

You shall acquire a cool samuel hayden mech body

[mild cave]

lol

[smoky gulch]

That's why it hurts, we're past expiration date

[fast dew]

Fortunately I cant even make children

Its a good thing though

Those kids would be MUCKED

[midnight ice]

its p good!
my partner drew mine (he draws more of me than i draw myself,) and i liked it so much i digitized and colored it in 😭

[fast dew]

My genes are horrid and will ruin anyone they come close to

[smoky gulch]

Eh, you can always take some from discarded bin

[fast dew]

Im also not going to risk that one

[mild cave]

Lols thats cool 😭

I got a darker version of this one i could show you in dms if ya want

[fast dew]

Kids are cool and all but I cry at calling people on the phone I am not built for shit

[fast dew]

I will. Does that mean I get to lose two out of 4 brain lobes?

Cus i got stage 4 brain cancer

[dark compass]

Uhm

Uh

I hope so

[fast dew]

Tis the reason Samuel is the way he is

Other than being a prick

Eugh. Just realised I have college later today.

[dark compass]

Timezones sure are fun

[fast dew]

Its like 4am lol

Closer to 4:30

[tall echo]

I hate phone calls, they should be outlawed >:(

[fast dew]

Its awful

[dark compass]

I can always talk to people irl

But phone calls are annoying

[fast dew]

I barely can talk to people irl

[smoky gulch]

A hack I use to talk with people on phone or irl is to consider it an interface with the company unit

Both sides aren't in this for personal reasons, they are just doing their tasks

[fast dew]

Mostly I don't speak in general, so let alone calling someone and being forced to speak is. Bad

[storm wharf]

Hey this isn’t warframe lore

/j

[storm wharf]

Loid would you love me if I was a void worm

Ngl I want Albrechts hat

That thing goes hard despite it being literally just a cap with some god buttons

[fast dew]

You used to be able to buy it

But it sucked.

The gold obols arent actually obols ingame

Its embroidery or smthn