lore-discussion

[glass sluice]

true true, but it always does come across like you just know it was a male writer doing it.

[fast dew]

Absolutely. I aint touching that shit

[fast dew]

yeah. men writing on women's issues is a whole issue in itself

[glass sluice]

Even Alien as a franchise isn't safe, the entire design is that but for anyone, especially guys.

[fast dew]

You can give your opinion as an outsider but you will never know what it's like to actually experience it yk

[glass sluice]

okay cant react, but yeah agreeing with you

[fast dew]

Oh, the originals were meant to put the fear of. That. Into men. Hence why the first victim was male

Id say the originals are pretty good, when it comes to that

[glass sluice]

If you look at some of the unused designs, it's even less subtle than it was in the movie.
Geiger was really weird.

[fast dew]

Yeah he was

I aint defending any weird shit he did but I can appreciate what the design was for

[glass sluice]

oh dude had some serious talent.
but i also dont want to be in the same room as him, even when he was alive

I feel a not unsimilar way about some of the tennogen artists.

[fast dew]

Mm. Good thing they can't modify the body

Only the helmets.

ALSO IVE BEEN MADE AWARE OF UNIQUE LOID ANIMATIONS DURING WHISPERS

Hes such a diva i love him so much

[glass sluice]

If we ever bought Loid to our world, he would go work in an artisnal coffee shop, you just know it.

[fast dew]

Oh, either that or a wine cellar

He gives the vibes of a "i drown my sorrows in wine but im still functional because I have to be" perspn

Wine aunt but a man

[glass sluice]

I have dated that type before.

[fast dew]

Yeah. 50/50 chance they're a horrible person

Loid is. Not a good person

Sacrilege, I know

But he. Really isnt a good person

[twin wigeon]

whats wrong with angry depressed book man

[fast dew]

Well. This may be a personal belief of mine, but enabling bad behaviour makes you just as bad as the person doing said bad behaviour

[twin wigeon]

what bad behavior did he enable again?

[fast dew]

Whether thats knowingly turning a blind eye or directly helping

[fast dew]

Cavia, mainly. And every choice Albrecht has ever made to date excluding the triad

[twin wigeon]

oh the cavia

i mean i guess he did allow tthat to happen but he does make up for it a bit with saving the cavia from incineration

[fast dew]

He didn't just allowed it to happen

He was the one who smuggled in Minn and Tagfer

He had an active hand in what happened to the cavia

[twin wigeon]

but he actively regrets what he's done

[fast dew]

And i agree, but that doesnt absolve him of what he did

[twin wigeon]

albrecht the bad guy also regrets what he's done to get where he is

[fast dew]

Much like Albrecht, you know?

[twin wigeon]

thats true but that doesn't mean he's a bad guy entirely, i love how this game paints grey people

[fast dew]

Both men regret everything theyve done that harms people. Yet. We can see there's a clear difference between how we treat them

We feel murderous towards Albrecht, yet the man who enabled and did not care enough to stop him from doing shit is. Completely free of any hatred. Its weird

[twin wigeon]

alb is more hated on due to his longlasting capacity to cause harm to others as well as his alr long list of wrongdoings

[glass sluice]

One of them willingly spread a plague that murdered most of a city, the other one did a job that their basically Master told them they had to.

[twin wigeon]

the techrot was there before alb got there

[fast dew]

Well. Given how aware Loid was of the vessel project, I wouldnt be entirely unconvinced he didnt have a hand in the hex as well.

[twin wigeon]

iirc

[fast dew]

Oh, no techrot was there beforehand

[glass sluice]

I didn't say started it, I said helped spread.

[fast dew]

And. In regards to the vaccine

[glass sluice]

which he 100% did

[fast dew]

Its. Unclear if Albrecht actually knew

[twin wigeon]

well alb empowered people with helminth strains comparable to the techrot

[glass sluice]

Of course he knew.

[twin wigeon]

he did know

[fast dew]

If Lettie, the doctor [albeit the vet] didnt realise until far too late, high chance Albrecht didn't

Ehh.

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure he specifically chose the plague year of 1999

[fast dew]

His whole thing was healing. That doesn't read off as someone who willingly spread it

[glass sluice]

Alby is many things, he's not an idiot. He helped spread the techrot as a way to further some goal he won't tell anyone, same as he infected these people with the serum, tortured those animals into sentience, and abandoned loid for an impossibly long time.

[fast dew]

There was. Several factors into it, but one was that he was trying to heal people. The others are a little unknown but it does involve. Maths or some alchemy shit

[glass sluice]

Lettie was a medic in 1999, Albrecht was a genius scientist from the impossibly far future space empire.

[fast dew]

Who specialised in physics and the void, not the infestation

Dude could've been banging rocks together to get the protoframe serum for all we know

[glass sluice]

I genuinely don't know if this is all a bit or not. Do you genuinely think he is here for healing alone?

[fast dew]

All he saw was that it stopped them from getting infested, which is a good thing

He didn't seem to think past that

Which. Iirc has happened before

[twin wigeon]

he did heal in a sense preventing the hex from getting infected with techrot and becoming mindless zombies but by converting them into protoframes

[fast dew]

Not with Albrecht but

[glacial bough]

Void may have been his specialty, but that doesn't mean he isn't in the know about infestation

[fast dew]

Yes, but his knowledge is gonna be significantly less than what someone like Ballas would have

[twin wigeon]

he's def in the know seeing as he played around with the grey strain to make the vessels

[glass sluice]

That s an incredibly naive, or deliberately ignorant look at Albrecht as a whole.

[glacial bough]

The man is close to warframes and spent extensive time working on the protos, he absolutely knows what he's doing with infestation

Either Lettie is wrong, or Albrecht did it deliberately

[fast dew]

... given the word of choice lettie uses, she absolutely could be

[glass sluice]

It's not just Lettie, Aoi also sussed him out.

[fast dew]

"Silent carriers" is usually, and as far as I know, exclusively for genetic diseases

She mightve been meaning asymptomatic but its still a choice

[glacial bough]

Aoi got bad vibes, sure, but her assessment is also completely wrong

[glass sluice]

asymptomatic and silent carriers are often used hand in hand. remember that the people writing this are not doctors.

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure silent carriers also apply to infectious diseases

[fast dew]

Oh, and while this is a thing more common now and several folk will look at you weird, that term is notoriously misused by antivaxxers

So.

Be weary i guess

[glass sluice]

None of that has anything to do with this topic.

Look I can see where this is going and I honestly am not up for this today.

[twin wigeon]

anyhoo

any theories on Follie's uhhhhh radio host?

er the voice from the trailer?

[fast dew]

Mm. No clue.

[twin wigeon]

follie is coming in whatt 18 days?

[glass sluice]

In a meta way or a non meta way?
In the meta way, she's going to be a new NPC that vanishes after this, I doubt she'll ever be back. I honestly don't expect her to ever be in the game past this quest.

[twin wigeon]

i mean like whos could the voice be? talking about not being afraid and what not

[glass sluice]

I honestly wish DE would re-use someone we already have, at least then we can build up some lore stuff about them.

[slim willow]

Hey uh dumb question maybe, new player here. Am I, the teno, Orokin? The big infested lady on Demos called me an "Orokin Thug". The item you use to upgrade weapons I think was Orokin something, idk i'm alt tabbed. If it's a "play and find out" kinda thing then cool let me know no big spoilers please, I haven't scrolled up.

[fast dew]

Mm. Well. You met them. That lady? That's an orokin.

[twin wigeon]

tenno are not orokin, orokin are a caste of bioengineered space gazillionaires essentially

[slim willow]

Like, preinfestation? or post?

[fast dew]

Both

[twin wigeon]

Both

[fast dew]

And this too

[slim willow]

😄

[fast dew]

Your profile photo is fitting.

[slim willow]

ok im done byespoilers

[twin wigeon]

😛

[fast dew]

[slim willow]

ha father called me a runt frame, burn

[fast dew]

Yeah, he uses mechs so we being small isnt fun for him yk

[restive lantern]

You know I'm so surprised there isn't more involved with Nora Night. I really like her. I remember the first time her radio came on when I was in my orbiter and was immediately drawn in and hooked. I literally went through all her little videos for past acts. I hope we get to meet her eventually, I always imagined her in a wheelchair and I love that she's actively part of the resistance it seems. Daughter talks about how she was like meaningful during the war in keeping people updated and keeping some small sliver of hope. And I just think that's neat

[lean garden]

meta reason is that nightwave stories (which include stuff to do with nora for the most part) are done by the same team doing quests, so DE decided to put their chips into the quest bucket instead of the NW bucket

not sure if you "meet" noras body in glassmaker tho

[twin wigeon]

you don't

nora is a background character, last time she's mentioned was i believe right before whispers in the walls or heart of deimos i can't remember

[fast dew]

Mm. You have the radio transmissions? That takes place sometime before or maybe during whispers as iirc thats where we learn that otak is put to sleep, outside from when necraloid tells us

[twin wigeon]

yeaah thats what i was referring to

shes kinda around with teasers to upcoming things

maybe someone's gonna give her a painting

0.0

[fast dew]

She was around heart of deimos bcs iirc thats where Nihil got properly shown as well

Nihil, the fella

[restive lantern]

That makes sense. I really like her, she reminds me of 3 dog from fallout. I remember it BLOWING MY GOD DAMN MIND you could meet him in the game. I kinda have been secretly hoping she become relevant in some plot point at some point

[fast dew]

10/10 biting experience, Would bite him again

Too bad his sword kinda sucks

Fun gimmick, bad usage

[ashen pulsar]

speaking of nora, what was up with this https://www.warframe.com/en/news/transcription-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-try-again-slick

[restive lantern]

.... Anyways
Can you imagine a k drive inspired wheelchair that would be sick

[restive lantern]

Wait! I've never seen this

I wonder if I can find what it sounds like, I was actually wondering if there was any hints in NW about the speaker from follie. Not that this is that, just a separate thought

[fast dew]

Iirc we assumed it was more wally shenanigans

Wally or infested, but i see no reason infestation would wish to be on deimos

[ashen pulsar]

so no connection to current lore?

[glacial bough]

No, it's connected. It's Wally shennanigans

[restive lantern]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Transcriptions_of_Unauthorized_Broadcasts

There's more!

[ashen pulsar]

the emergence of the murmur, then?

[restive lantern]

Since it was leading up to tennocon 2023 I think it was hinting at the big update that year and lore drop aka whispers in the walls. She theorizes that they were trying to dig all the way through to Deimos - "After hearing Latrox's call, Fidelia then theorizes that the colonist weren't digging to reach something underground, but to reach something on the other side of the planet, stating that they were attempting to reach Deimos by digging straight through Mars.
" So it would line up with the emergence of the murmur

[ashen pulsar]

try not to cite the wiki, cite the source instead
but ig it might've been the murmur. still odd tho, since people on deimos were unaffected.

[restive lantern]

I will say the conversation with necroloid is very heartbreaking.

[lean garden]

I mean, theres technically at least 1 person on deimos affected

I think one of the broadcasts was latrox un as well? Im too lazy to click on the link right now

[restive lantern]

Yes that's the first one. 2nd caller calls in specifically because she heard the first one and it's what makes her put it together

[ashen pulsar]

https://www.warframe.com/en/news/transcript-of-unauthorized-broadcast-attributed-to-unknown-vessel

[lean garden]

yea so that makes it at least 2 people on deimos affected

[fast dew]

There's a few normal people on deimos, not counting Loid

[fast dew]

Mm. Murmur did exist prior to the breach of the labs, i will add. Given they seemingly appeared in Duviri before. Though, I wonder if that means anything now

[ashen pulsar]

otak and latrox?

[lean garden]

necraloid and latrox

[fast dew]

... the grineer

[lean garden]

otak isnt uh, as smart anymore to make those comments to nora

[fast dew]

Not the casual discrimination against grineer/j

[ashen pulsar]

otak got disabled

necraloid is unaffected, but terrified by the absence

[fast dew]

For once, its quiet

[ashen pulsar]

latrox, on the other hand, is experiencing anything but

[fast dew]

There is a fear, associated with too quiet silence

[ashen pulsar]

dude cant sleep because of all of the rap-tap-tapping

[fast dew]

Mm. Mother is also affected, but far earlier

[ashen pulsar]

?

[fast dew]

She is also affected by the rap tap tapping

[ashen pulsar]

she is?

[fast dew]

"The Wall of Lohk was before us, I... had my... my proofs... my father's... I could hear him, I could hear him tapping. Tapping at the Untime Door..."

This was from heart of deimos. And. While she had legs lol

We both know it wasnt Albrecht.

"We went in, but again, he wasn't there. My husband congratulated me. Sarcastic halfwit. All the while, hive-weed was sprouting all around us. But... it was just a dream."

NecraLoid then clarifies it was and that the heart is dying and the whole quest goes on

"Oh. Oh. Oh fu-"
MOTHER PLEASE ALLOW US TO SWEAR PLEASE

[ashen pulsar]

o

[fast dew]

Mhm. Tbf, I do think this could've just been her exposure to wally from the void incident itself

[ashen pulsar]

"shit" is ok bc they say it in the game tho

[fast dew]

She says it in a really funny way hold on

[ashen pulsar]

yeah seems unrelated to the basement breach

[fast dew]

Like its genuinely almost there 💔

[fast dew]

I will say that the basement breach could've been happening for a long time, just. Slower. It got worse from Ballas I feel

[twin wigeon]

operator is tiny flesh child with a powerful void beam but enemies have rpgs, napalm, spores, rifles, melees, etc etc

it is unwise

[idle fog]

If warframes are people who got transformed and infected by helminth then what about the frames you build in the foundry

[drowsy saddle]

Soylent green

[glass sluice]

"copies".

[strange plinth]

yea, they're basically just reconstructing that 'original' transformed human
the mind's just. dormant

[fast dew]

Yeah basically

They're just a tad bit lobotomised

[storm garden]

Anyone else find it curious that Warframes can be deployed from orbit without landing craft as shown by Old Peace loading screen?
I'm wondering if that's a canon durability feat now.

[fast dew]

Difference between atmospheres, likely.

Iirc that moon had none. And id imagine the drop isnt as bad as one would think. Also the infested can just do this sometimes 😭

[strange plinth]

yea plague star does that
and i think part of why we were able to just. drop straight onto the planet's surface during the old peace was because we weren't being stealthy then

[minor axle]

Not everyone! You haven't seen the Lokis on Perita.

[fast dew]

You don't see purple orks either. Wonder if that's connected?

[midnight ice]

didnt read the stealth part and just assumed you meant we dont see Lokis because they're so squishy they break their legs on impact

[loud oriole]

meanwhile grendel dropping from low orbit is 500m shy of causing a extinction event, if he doesnt just straight burrow through the planet

[radiant pier]

UH

YO

HOW'S NATAH MONOLOGUING

[fast dew]

Oh

[radiant pier]

isn't she just lotus now?

[fast dew]

Get ropaapapapalyst'd

[radiant pier]

HOW WAS SHE HERE

[fast dew]

Dw its just.

[radiant pier]

YEAH THAT ONE

[fast dew]

The way things work its

[radiant pier]

ohok I'll finish it later

[fast dew]

No no

You can do it, you're supposed to have done it earlier

[radiant pier]

no I already exited cuz I had to do something

[radiant pier]

wait what

[fast dew]

Before the new war, iirc

[radiant pier]

how though? wasn't I stuck in the

ah okay

[fast dew]

Its just one of those things that get missed

[radiant pier]

oh so it's just a thing

[fast dew]

Yup

[radiant pier]

wait so Nef Anyo struck a deal beforehand?

I thought he did that during the start of the new war

[fast dew]

Nef? You mean Alad?

It came out in this weird time where you just

Didn't have the lotus

[loud oriole]

she went on space vacation

[fast dew]

Holo-lotus for like

What. Over 3 years?

[radiant pier]

THREE YEARS?!?

[radiant pier]

yes that one

[midnight ice]

yah it was 3 years before we got TNW iirc so we had purple holo-lotus for ages

like Apostasy Prologue was 2017... TNW was 2020? 2021?

[fast dew]

Which is why you don't see the lotus in those quests [like heart of deimos!]

[fast dew]

Need yalls opinions on this actually. Do we reckon how Loid acts in whispers how he acts with everyone he meets before he actually likes them or do we think the majority of it is powered by his issue with Albrecht [then being somewhat resolved by the end of whispers]

[strange plinth]

bit of both, i'd imagine

[strange plinth]

yea ropalolyst unlocks after one of the prelude cutscenes and is meant to be done between then and TNW
except absolutely nothing points you there and you probably forgot about the locked node on jupiter a long time ago, if you knew about it at all

[minor axle]

Wait, are the fungus on Venus older than the Orokin? Nightcap implies it.

That would make them alien, wouldn't it?

[midnight ice]

we had no reminder of rollypolly except for one (1) scene in a gas city tile where it blows the hell out of some walkways

[storm garden]

Funny how Alad keeps working on his Amalgams, even after we've killed his overseer (Ropalolyst) multiple times at this point.

[minor axle]

We still don't know what happened to Alad after TNW.

[strange plinth]

we know he's alive, but no actual info on what he's up to, no

[midnight ice]

they have spores that look exactly like human hearts, though, i'm betting genetic engineering

[fast dew]

Im personally putting my money on the fungus being a strain or close to the infestation

[minor axle]

Nah, I meant the underground ones.

[midnight ice]

arent they the same ones question mark

as in the underground is just the underground part of the mycelial network

unless im misunderstanding

(a la oregon honey fungus network)

[minor axle]

After I finish the mission I'll find the quote to see if I'm misremembering.

[midnight ice]

yes buoss

[strange plinth]

assuming its this one

"When I first got sent down here, Corporate told me the fungal colony was some Orokin mess, escaped from the lab and all that. But I dunno, the roots and fruits... they feel older than that."

[fast dew]

If it is some form of infestation, Nightcap could be experiencing the weird temporal shit the infestation has

The colony not literally being older, but rather its the mind of the infestation he's feeling

[strange plinth]

hinges a lot on the mushrooms being infestation, but its definitely possible

[midnight ice]

maybe "older" because it's an earth-borne mycelium, modified for Orokin nonsense?

so its older because Nightcap feels what it was

big big question mark

[fast dew]

Similar theory yeah

[minor axle]

Three possibilities: Infestation, alien, or modified.

[fast dew]

Im using the basis of it being infestation from the fact our helminth is capable of producing it for the foundary, yk?

[midnight ice]

valdur did say the flowers were the first xenolife they've found, and i reckon a grineer would know if they found aliens earlier

[strange plinth]

valdur + the old peace buildup stream said it, yea

[midnight ice]

since they'd be sent out as foot soldiers around it question mark

[fast dew]

Nokko's whole body is the shroom, and he wasn't exactly of orokin creation iirc

The *** s h r o o m***

[strange plinth]

another weird implication from nightcap's dialogue

[minor axle]

Didn't DE say the mushrooms were a type of Infestation?

Maybe they meant Infestation.

[fast dew]

Possible interpretation, true

[strange plinth]

rebb referred to it as 'decay infestation' in the first devstream they were showing it off in
but idk how much we can use that for canon stuff

[fast dew]

We unfortunately do gotta look at what devs say with scrutiny.

[strange plinth]

especially when a good amount of the lore for that section is written by a third party

[fast dew]

Which is why, as much as id like it to be true, im reluctant to say Albrecht's possible dead kids is actually true

[midnight ice]

cute, though, if we do have both the "grower" part of the ecosystem and the "decomposer" part of the ecosystem. sort of like irl ecosystems
maybe the infestation is growing uncontrollably because it doesnt have a natural predator lmao

[fast dew]

Love you Rebb but unfortunately ive been slapped in the face by creative leads before

[fast dew]

Exactly Exactly

Which again, why im reluctant to believe the dead children

No I will not shut up about this

[strange turtle]

Not at the time it’d have been discovered, as they weren’t even foot soldiers

[minor axle]

Well, I believe they are either Infestation or alien. Modified doesn't really make sense imo

[midnight ice]

I meant more as in if Venus had xenolife they would've known by the time the old peace rolled up?

as far as i know the origin system was all terraformed/colonized before the war broke out?

[strange turtle]

But the Orokin probably wouldn’t be making such a big deal about the xenoflora being the first known alien stuff that even a military Grineer knows it if if weren’t true

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[fast dew]

It wouldve been an incredible discovery

Second to, or maybe tied with void travel

[midnight ice]

i dont like what bald virminks look like

[fast dew]

Looks like a borzoi lol

[strange plinth]

muscular borzoi

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/borzoi-dog-water-hydrate-hydrated-gif-2063020374237287172

The creature

[fast dew]

But fr tho it. Looks uncomfortably human

Also if we're talking official renders look at how small Albrecht is to the door to the void

[celest needle]

Are warframes like even considered ninjas anymore?

[midnight ice]

nah

[fast dew]

No, barely was from the start anyways

[midnight ice]

Ash sure

[fast dew]

Ash really was the only one

Excalibur maybe, loki? Perhaps

[celest needle]

The tennos main theme gives off the you know Ninja vibe from them.

But we got Grendel and Gauss 🥀

The games tagline is Ninja's play free

[radiant pier]

this goat

I feel bad for this goat

[strange plinth]

used to be

[fast dew]

That was a old tag line, iirc ended around 2017

[radiant pier]

this goat

this goat makes me sad

[celest needle]

What was it changed to?

[radiant pier]

I'm so sorry goat

[midnight ice]

like seeing those lost bears after a logging company deforests an entire region

[radiant pier]

we need to annihilate those people en masse

gonna enter my first netracell wish me luck

[fast dew]

Nothing, as far as i know.

[ashen pulsar]

26 million registered losers /j

[fast dew]

Oh my god do not play alone

[celest needle]

thats only 99% of us

[fast dew]

Go on pubs for your mental health because you will get beaten the shit out of

[celest needle]

Not if you play Octavia

[midnight ice]

not if you play anything with Evade in it

is netracell that hard 😭

[celest needle]

it has no SP mode
that should tell you enough

[fast dew]

For a first time player

Yeah. It'll beat their ass

[midnight ice]

ok fair

[fast dew]

Mm. Enemies get to what. 220?

[midnight ice]

i have the curse of knowledge

220s, 260s? yeah

[fast dew]

Ill have to check later, im currently in the middle of whispers

This is my 7th? 8th replay?

[midnight ice]

its really this situation whenever i try to talk about any new player experience. i don't remember what it's like to not be overbuilt 😭

[radiant pier]

that

[fast dew]

exactly its something im afraid of doing myself when it comes to lore

[radiant pier]

was terrible

[fast dew]

BAJAJA

[radiant pier]

you can't revive people??

[celest needle]

How do we get anything from the dream bath missions

They're just memories

[radiant pier]

EVERYONE DIED BEFORE ME

[fast dew]

Oh. Yeah should've mentioned that

[midnight ice]

yes 😭

[strange plinth]

i've thought about putting something together that's like
'here is what we know and where that info comes from' before

[radiant pier]

granted my valkyr isn't meant to really die

WHAT DO YOU DO EXACTLY

[strange plinth]

yea, it kinda says so on the menu

[midnight ice]

you don't have last gasp either bc anything that makes you enter bleedout just kills you dead

[fast dew]

... dont die

[radiant pier]

do you just go to the terminals and grab stuff??

[midnight ice]

yes

[radiant pier]

HOW DID MY SQUAD DIE

[midnight ice]

do not die

[fast dew]

Go fast, go to the terminals

But prepare to fight

[radiant pier]

my build is literally incomplete

THEY ALL DIED

[fast dew]

Go put on a better one, or maybe I'll gather some folk to help

[strange plinth]

yea, find the terminals, bring the correct keyglyph to the netracell, kill a billion enemies, loot, leave

[radiant pier]

how do you

[fast dew]

I wanna go on another netracell run to be normal and point out random shit Albrecht owns

[radiant pier]

get the keyglyphs

.....I couldn't use the terminal I got to...

[fast dew]

The other squad members should have them

[ashen pulsar]

the lore of this game needs to go backwards at points

[radiant pier]

I could do it solo I really didn't take damage

[fast dew]

You should be able to without them?

[ashen pulsar]

ever watched the movie memento

[fast dew]

Do not.

[celest needle]

no

[radiant pier]

why not!

[strange plinth]

there's a thing at the very start of the mission where everyone can grab keyglyphs
dunno what happens if the one carrying the correct one dies tho

[radiant pier]

what if one does it solo can they bring all the keyglyphs

[fast dew]

The burdens the key glyphs add? They stack.

[midnight ice]

yes

[fast dew]

You need to bring all of them

[radiant pier]

I was so excited until they all died almost immediately after the first terminal

[midnight ice]

i run netracells solo all the time, you just get all that awfulness on you at once

[radiant pier]

what awfulness

[fast dew]

Evil system Albrecht and Loid designed

But. I respect it

[radiant pier]

wait I got another 50% off

[midnight ice]

goodies like knifestep (take dmg when you walk) and other things (take damage when you cast abilities, constant health drain, take slash damage whenever you deal damage)

[strange plinth]

damage whenever you move on the ground, void bursts from slain enemies, etc

[fast dew]

Its horrid

[radiant pier]

DAMAGE WHENEVER YOU MOVE?

[fast dew]

Archimedia is worse.

[radiant pier]

MAYBE THAT'S WHY THEY LEGIT ALL DIED

[midnight ice]

its small damage, like 10s? 20-ies of damage on step?

[strange plinth]

on the ground, though, air travel's fine

[midnight ice]

pauses on jumps

[radiant pier]

....so uh when do you play

[midnight ice]

lol i'm on right now if you want me to help out

[fast dew]

Ill hop on and be jade to help

Shit nevermind

[radiant pier]

yes uhm...help please-?

[fast dew]

Wait. I can just stop playing whispers

[radiant pier]

didn't you already play whispers

[celest needle]

yes
yes you can

[fast dew]

The hell am I worried about

[radiant pier]

like a bunch of times

[fast dew]

Yeah do not underestimate my autism

[ashen pulsar]

its a movie where the scenes progress backwards, and you and the character (who has no short-term memory) both know nothing of what happened before

in warframe, we often go back through time to the operator's memories, which have been suppressed, to reveal info that nobody knew. we're learning about tau by remembering tau, about the orokin by remembering the orokin, about the tenno by remembering the tenno

[fast dew]

This isnt even the worst Ive gotten

[radiant pier]

so uh what're your usernames

[fast dew]

Ill dm it to you hold on

[radiant pier]

it's better for me to inv because my WiFi is crap rn

[celest needle]

You could forget that you can reopen tabs after you close them

Or that you can re copy something you copied using settings

[midnight ice]

homidinis

[radiant pier]

wait Thomas do you wanna join

[fast dew]

Yeah bro

[radiant pier]

I'm just gonna watch y'all

[fast dew]

I knew this actually. Im more normal over weird shit

Did you know that uh

[minor axle]

Something else about the fungus on Venus. The Syzygy units are Infested faction.

[radiant pier]

oooo a harrow

[strange plinth]

oh fr? i thought they were unaffiliated or corpus when i checked

[fast dew]

Theres a type of bird that spears their prey onto sticks

[midnight ice]

harrow main :)

[radiant pier]

let's go die horribly!

[midnight ice]

shrikes! i love them

[strange plinth]

shrike !
garuda !

[fast dew]

YES FINALLY

[minor axle]

Wiki says Infested.

[radiant pier]

I'm gonna die horribly

[fast dew]

Dw I got jade

She should help

[minor axle]

Though, I remember them being a weird case.

[ocean geyser]

Berd

[celest needle]

WILL we get a styananax prime animated trailer?

[strange plinth]

nothing announced, though they made a little tease about revealing the next prime on the next devstream

[celest needle]

its styananax most likely but I really want a trailer for him

Yareli's was so good

and gave lore!

[strange plinth]

interesting

[minor axle]

I think in-game take precedence to the wiki.

Actually, I'll fix that right now.

Oh, wait, no. I remember why the wiki has them as Corpus.

The Syzygy units use Corpus faction damage modifiers despite being Infested.

[strange plinth]

ah, right, that's why they're weird

[fast dew]

Well.

[radiant pier]

so uh we both died

[fast dew]

I was dumb.

I paused to type forgetting that I couldn't do that

[radiant pier]

I got jumped

[fast dew]

We can go look for Albrecht's notes if you're down too :3

[radiant pier]

maybe next time imma sleep in an hour

[fast dew]

Sick

[radiant pier]

I was a-okay for most of it

[minor axle]

Anyway, it's pretty safe to say that there is a high possibility of the Vallis Undermind being an Infested strain.

[radiant pier]

til I got cornered by 3 mechs

a Necramech, and used all my energy

[fast dew]

LMAO

Oh buddy

I probably got ganked by the same mechs trying to save you

[radiant pier]

you seemed kinda far away

[midnight ice]

either that or it was my evil twin 😭 im sure it was chasing me down tho

[radiant pier]

so uh what's the strat here?

to survive I mean

do I just go grab a rhino prime

[midnight ice]

a lot of "kill before you're killed, run Circumvent for overguards"

[radiant pier]

Circumvent?

[midnight ice]

arcane that steals overguards from eximus

[radiant pier]

I see

[fast dew]

Mm, that would be useful for the labs and the. That one murmur that makes them have mad overguard

[radiant pier]

what about....a rolling guard mod

[fast dew]

Hm. Didn't get any shards

[radiant pier]

what shards

[midnight ice]

my heart was POUNDING i thought i messed up + i had 600m to extraction and ~2 mins before the inactivity timeout kicks in on the both of you 😭 speedran like my life depended on it

[midnight ice]

netracells can give archon shards

[fast dew]

Tauforged too

[radiant pier]

I thought the archon hunt was the main way

[midnight ice]

that also works, but i like circumvent

[fast dew]

Nah, thats Archimedia iirc

[radiant pier]

speedrun tactics

[midnight ice]

oh yeah the warden thing

[fast dew]

Yeah I was watching you speed out of there so fast 😭

[midnight ice]

speedrun tactics: have 2 peoples netracell loot depend on you getting to extraction asap

[radiant pier]

I never even thought of going operator just to spam teleport

[fast dew]

Its useful

[radiant pier]

I usually just spider-man'd my way

[fast dew]

Not my godawful spelling in chat oh my god

This is what no autocorrect does to me

[midnight ice]

and madurai clutches as always

its useful + my harrow has 0 parkour velocity

[radiant pier]

ooo

[fast dew]

Speaking of madurai, I got uh

[radiant pier]

parkour velocity?

[midnight ice]

bullet jump speed

[radiant pier]

so uh

[fast dew]

76,099 focus from that mission alone

[radiant pier]

question

the emotes, they're universal yeah?

so you're telling me I can make Grendel do the hands up?

[fast dew]

Hm? Yeah?

[midnight ice]

yeah, drifters can use wf emotes

[fast dew]

Oh. Yeah absolutely

[midnight ice]

yes

[radiant pier]

so er what's the most used emote that isn't the free ones

[fast dew]

Also I loved your valkyr

[radiant pier]

very pink and cupid-y

[fast dew]

Probably the ones you'd get from codas

[midnight ice]

codas have a lot of really cute emotes

[radiant pier]

thank u, I didn't get to see y'all's frames much because I was too busy trying not to die

codas?

[loud oriole]

-# using the new Gauss/Grendel emotes to witness my drifter turn into a ball…

[fast dew]

Mine is this brown n red jade

[radiant pier]

Vauban heirloom doesn't have shoes?

[midnight ice]

theres really not much if at all to see i run default harrow

[radiant pier]

there's just this...shoeless individual in the lobby

[fast dew]

Nup. Got the dogs out

[midnight ice]

HASHTAG REAL SHIT

[fast dew]

This. Isnt uncommon where I live

[radiant pier]

did

[fast dew]

I do this occasionally 😭

[radiant pier]

did that Yareli just check me out

[fast dew]

No yareli is a child do not

[radiant pier]

nono

they stared at me across the lobby

that's creepy......

[fast dew]

Im looking at

A uriel as an oraxia

[radiant pier]

ooo there's a Uriel

Is that a pregnant frame?

oh that's you

[fast dew]

Jade yeah

[radiant pier]

where's homi

[fast dew]

Saw them just before

[radiant pier]

did that dude just sit on air

[fast dew]

Yeah

[radiant pier]

ANOTHER VALKYR H

[fast dew]

Valkyr gang rise up

Im so sparkly

[loud oriole]

valk my daily frame

[radiant pier]

homi where did u go @midnight ice

[midnight ice]

i dont actually remember what the albrecht journal fragments contain

i'm at the stairs next to fibbs

[fast dew]

Mm.

Sad shit. First ones is him wishing that he died instead

And how loid would recite poetry to him while he recovered

[midnight ice]

also to read more about the evil twin book https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Scathing_Whisper

[radiant pier]

IS THAT A NUN

[fast dew]

Yeah thats marie

[radiant pier]

woah that looks amazing

the thingies going around her

how do I get that

[fast dew]

Mm. Looks like an ephemera

[midnight ice]

sister ephemera

[fast dew]

Maybe a sister one

[midnight ice]

you get a sister with one, kill the sister, get it

[fast dew]

theres not enough dark colour scheme maries

[radiant pier]

emo marie

[midnight ice]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Ephemera#Sybillina_

[radiant pier]

uhh what else do you do in the necralisk?

[fast dew]

Gothic marie get it right

Mm. Bounties

Build a necramech after doing those bounties

[midnight ice]

deep archimedea (i've never done this), bounties

[fast dew]

Deep archimedia will humble you I feel

And most cant access it

[radiant pier]

what's deep archimedia

are the bounties hard

[fast dew]

Netracells but worse.

[radiant pier]

...wanna do one?

JUST A NORMAL BOUNTY

what's a mandonel

what's a qorvex

[fast dew]

Netracells 3 times over, no breaks and restricted arsenal

QORVEX

My miku beam maker

[radiant pier]

okay yeah, just a normal bounty then? or are y'all busy

what was rhat

wanna do a bounty?

[fast dew]

Yeah we can do a bounty. Maybe the find the book one is there

[radiant pier]

what book

[midnight ice]

yeah i can do bounties for a while

[radiant pier]

omke!

[midnight ice]

the evil twin book, Mocking/Scathing Whispers

[radiant pier]

how long is awhile

[midnight ice]

2 hours give or take?

[fast dew]

Do yall wanna vc or smthn so we dont spam chat?

[radiant pier]

what's a vc

I'M JOKIN'

[fast dew]

Voice call lol

[loud oriole]

victorian council obviously

[fast dew]

Gotta turn my light on so I can type

Yareli for da win

[midnight ice]

murmur eye at the sanctum question mark

a slab hides it if i get close

[radiant pier]

OOOO

[fast dew]

Mm. Before we run ropapapapaplyst, I got the captura? Unsure if you can see it that way though

[ocean geyser]

How did i only know realize there’s feet on that wall

Ive been to that exact spot even 😭

Didn’t notice the feet

[nocturne plover]

I finished the New War and it’s just left me with more questions than answers

[radiant pier]

go play duviri

[nocturne plover]

I did

[midnight ice]

go play whisper in the walls

[nocturne plover]

MMMM jade first then angels of Zariman, but then I’ll do whisper in the walls

[radiant pier]

owke

byebye Thom

[fast dew]

Ill join back hold on

[radiant pier]

OH

[fast dew]

I was switching to my playstation lol

Shit is easier for me

[radiant pier]

what's a playstation

/j

[fast dew]

Look a joke!

[radiant pier]

you can't be too sure with me

this is like my fifth game on pc ever

[fast dew]

That was.

Insane.

[radiant pier]

that was hilarious

just seeing y'all fall off the map

[fast dew]

The lore

SHUT UP

[radiant pier]

and my operator failing the grab

[fast dew]

THAT WAS ME💔

[radiant pier]

YOU DIED MID-AIR

[fast dew]

YEAH I GOT GANKED BY HIM GRABBING ME

THE ROPAPAPAPLYST IS TRANSPHOBIC

[radiant pier]

yeah that was hilarious I'm glad this is a boss

[fast dew]

Its such a janky boss

[jaunty siren]

im curious about what would happen in a fortuna folk get protoframe'd

will they regrow their body

[fast dew]

Mm. Unlikely

Generally the helminth doesn't add huge amounts into the body iirc

Even less so with the protos

[woven coyote]

Quincy still armless for example

[midnight ice]

what would happen to the ||head in their chests|| though

does the cavity open up broodmother style now?

[fast dew]

That would be

Awesome.

[loud oriole]

-# new set of legs start to sprout out

[midnight ice]

oh like

[woven coyote]

Modok style

[midnight ice]

https://tenor.com/view/transformers-g1-decepticon-sound-wave-gif-14180074

[radiant pier]

what's wisps subsume ability

[fast dew]

Great question

[loud oriole]

or if you misinterpret Vay Hek as being a very large head with spindly arms and hilariously tiny legs

[midnight ice]

breach surge

[fast dew]

Mm

[midnight ice]

spreading extra headshot damage that stuns

[pure onyx]

y was diviri paradox lowk the weakest quest i've done till now, i'm not v lore educated but i atleast understand other quests and the soulsframe was

[fast dew]

... when did you play it

After the new war or before

[pure onyx]

post new war 👀

post post, i did get what they were going for but the, story just fell flat ugh

[fast dew]

Tell me. Do you understand conceptual embodiment?

[pure onyx]

i loved the visuals n stuff tho, and the world was beautifull

[pure onyx]

not exactly, i have heard of it just a lil, cud u tell me

i know my drifter learned it in TA

[fast dew]

Okay, so. I assume this is gonna be the part you're confused over. Conceptual embodiment is when strong emotions interact with the void, embodying things. Duviri is one of these.

Duviri is originally a book

[pure onyx]

soo the young operator made her storybook into this reality? i do know she created that realm or smth, but why was teshin there

[woven coyote]

New war portal

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[woven coyote]

Thats also why lotus hand fell into it

[pure onyx]

ohhhh

[woven coyote]

Also not young operator
Drifter and operator separate at the time of the handshake with wally

[fast dew]

A separate version, of the operator. Split during the deal you made with wally

[woven coyote]

Handshake is the divergent point

One of the duviri tablets has something to the effect of wally gloating
"I said i'd save them, never said i'd save you"

[fast dew]

Also do you remember the folk on deimos? The entrati family? Mother wrote the original book of Duviri

[woven coyote]

So drifter was stranded in the void and eventually conceptually embodied duviri

[fast dew]

Based on stories her father told her when she was little

[pure onyx]

oh rllyyy ya i remember them

[woven coyote]

Yup

[pure onyx]

so does this happen bfore or after the events of new war

[loud oriole]

during

[pure onyx]

ahh okay makes sense

[woven coyote]

Anyway the paradox of duviri paradox is that drifter needs to get out to help operator escape their classroom loop

But operator needs to be out to help drifter find the dolls and recover his emotions and escape duviri

Both need to be out to help the other get out

[midnight ice]

reminds me, I have an interpretation that the Drifter's story is adjacently, like, vaguely Promethean

hear me out. the Drifter reaches out to the No-God of No-thing, right, and shakes on it; "save them", yes, like how Prometheus took the flames down from the heavens to humans. Took the flame down to the rescued operators. But! Not them, everyone goes but them. They're here, in Hell, [liver pecked by an eagle/impaled by the Dax] over and over for time immemorial

[pure onyx]

[midnight ice]

am i making sense my head is full of cotton and the flu

[fast dew]

Thrax is supposed to be a child with emotional disregulation

We are supposed to learn from him

[restive river]

I mean we were both saved and not saved
and how does Baro’s deal fit into this

[woven coyote]

Yeah in the og book the idea was teaching emotional regulation to the zariman children

[midnight ice]

he's just That Guy

[woven coyote]

And yknow prevent conceptual embodyment

And boy did that backfire

[midnight ice]

aurafarmed his way out of my allegory

[restive river]

You can find the adult version of the emotional regulation in the archarbor iirc

[midnight ice]

but yes, no solid theory, i'm just spitballing

[restive river]

We sadly can’t read the Duviri book itself
Probably cause uh. We live it instead LOL

[woven coyote]

Honestly i'd say albrecht is closer to prometheus @midnight ice

[restive river]

Who needs a netflix adaptation when you can get a void adaptation

[fast dew]

Which makes me wonder if it was influenced mother's own emotional disregulation
-# like stabbing her husband and being. Herself

[midnight ice]

and that! brought the fingers back and now he's tormented by the Damn Thing

[restive river]

He did bring fire (void) to the rest of humanity

[midnight ice]

liver pecked by the indifferent eagle and now everyone also wants a piece of him

[fast dew]

Heh.

[restive river]

Paragrim…

[fast dew]

Im sure loid does.

[woven coyote]

Albrecht is a bit of a frankenstein (yknow the other title was the modern prometheus)

[restive river]

To clarify, Victor Frankenstein
Not the monster lol

[fast dew]

Time to say who was actually the monster in Frankenstein

[woven coyote]

Frankenstein does eventually try to track down the monster and end him like albrecht

[restive river]

That’d be uh.
Qorvex
The Vessels
Kinda Xaku, though they were an accident

[restive river]

Have you read the book :o

[woven coyote]

Many years ago

[restive river]

Same
It’s quite good

[woven coyote]

Ye

Also love the myth of shelley writing the book because they were all bored writers in their friends mansion during a storm

[restive river]

I haven’t heard that but I love it

[fast dew]

Yk i like how "monsters" in old fiction are never actually. Monsters but so many assume so

[woven coyote]

Also sudden lord byron

[restive river]

I wish I had my popcorn eating emote lol

[strange turtle]

These are the ones who like

Chilled in graveyards or something, right

[gleaming ore]

hello i finished the "sacrifice" quest and im rather confused about one thing ? so basically the Orokin Empire created the Sentients but they betray them causing the old war, so ballas created warframes to attack and defend them from sentients. since ballas is an orokin why at the end of quest use sentients? is it a mech? robots? vessel perhaps?

why use the same thing that it betrays you

or ballas is like betrayed the orokin so it doesnt matter

[woven coyote]

Ballas was using the sentients to betray the orokin

Because ballas decided not to vote against vaporizing his lover(margulis)

Ballas is a turncoat

[gleaming ore]

ohh i get it now

[woven coyote]

he went like "oh you made me kill my gf(last vote was mine but anyway) so i'll help our enemies kill you"

[zenith ore]

Can someone tell me what's with this little dude who says hello kiddo? I appreciate if u didn't spoil much I'm not that far into the game, and thanks.

[ocean geyser]

You’ll meet him soon enough tbh

[zenith ore]

Rn I'm grinding for the old war quest, is it rell? Or whatever his name was

[ocean geyser]

No

It’s the guy Rell mentioned :3

I can’t say anything else
You quite literally will understand soon enough

As in New War soon

[zenith ore]

Uhuh, the guy in the walls or sum, thanks man hope u have a great day.

[restive lantern]

hi i made a cursed albert gif to share with the class

[minor axle]

Has anyone else been underwhelmed by the Infested since Heart of Deimos?

They just don't feel like a threat anymore. There's a giant Infested moon orbiting Mars and it's little more than a tourist attraction. Latrox Une doesn't even have a mask on when on the surface.

The Emissary teased something happening on Eris, but nothing ever came of that.

It's been nearly 7 years.

[jolly root]

Rap tap

[dire mountain]

"I can be your angle or yuor devil" 😭😭

[jolly root]

I could punch him

[tall echo]

"They don't feel like a threat anymore"
the techrot:

also wearing a mask isn't gonna protect you from getting infested

[minor axle]

The Techrot are thousands of years dead and gone. The Coda just sit in orbit doing nothing,

[tall echo]

the techrot evolved into modern infested

[minor axle]

No, they were almost wiped out and the Orokin bio-engineered them into the modern Infested.

[tall echo]

source?

[minor axle]

The lore???

[tall echo]

specifics.

techrot is the ancestor to modern infestation, according to multiple KIM chats

[minor axle]

Correct.

We don't know exactly what happened to the Infestation after the rise of the Orokin, but we do know there were only small outbreaks here and there in poor systems. The Orokin then took the Infestation for use against the Sentients.

Seeing as the Infestation became a bigger problem after they turned it on the Sentients, I'd say they likely made it stronger.

No idea why the Infested didn't eat the whole system during the Collapse. Not sure how the leftovers of the Empire were able to fight off the Infested.

[lilac aspen]

Pure panicked Red Button pressing

[minor axle]

tbf, that was the solution to the Techrot...

Kinda wish we had a Helldivers 2 type Invasion system. Actually have to fight the Infested off planets.

Sadly, that would likely not work in Warframe.

Maybe in Warframe 2

[jolly root]

Eeeeeeh

[tall echo]

you know that that's essentially what invasion missions are right

[jolly root]

Two cephalons arguing this is new

[tall echo]

like when the attacking side wins they take over the node

[minor axle]

For a day.

[tall echo]

simaris and suda

[jolly root]

Oh right

[lilac aspen]

Okay but make them Grineer soldiers instead

Clemdivers

[jolly root]

I meed to finish octavias questline

[jolly root]

Kahldivers

[ashen pulsar]

do we know anything about the eras of the orokin empire? the relics represent the eras but are all from the axi era, and so is most of our info about the orokin, so do we know anything about lith, meso, and neo?

[gleaming ore]

when i start duviri i made my drifter the same looks as my operator kinda funny but now im confused they are not the same right lol

[strange plinth]

where are you in the story

there's a line during the new war that sums it up fairly well

[winged creek]

Indifference is what it wants. Not what it is.

[minor axle]

I wasted my time making this. It's not even that good or accurate.

[gleaming ore]

im playing as the drifter in the new war

[minor axle]

Damn, I should have mentioned something along the lines of "Their invasion will succeed this time!"

[gleaming ore]

also why i got my own ordis seems weird who is that is that mine why is he here so many qeustions

[strange plinth]

then, there should be a line coming up that'll explain it
it'll be at the dinner table

[strange plinth]

something about the dormant infestation under cetus's ocean would also work

[lilac aspen]

Thankfully Helminth the goat helped the infested agenda

[minor axle]

Or the fact they supposedly can evolve to match opponents (Sentients and the Void do it better)

[dire mountain]

Sentients dont evolve really they adapt

The void also doesn't really adapt it's just kinda a whole thing

The infested are technoorganic and they absolutely evolve to match new threats

[minor axle]

I was mainly referring to the Incranon weapons.

[dark compass]

"there is no cure"

Evil and intimidating Alad V:

[tall echo]

he didn't have a cure, we stole it from regor's labs for him

[dark compass]

Well yeah but it's funnier that way

I wonder if we will get an Infestation focused storyline one day

Actually of course we would this game will live for a while

[lilac aspen]

Infested Elephant that has yet to be addressed

[dark compass]

Infested elephant bossfight

Elephantis...

[strange plinth]

-# the rework lephantis deserves

[dire mountain]

The legacyte in the room: capture me

[ocean geyser]

especially with how a lot of aquatic plants look infested
beyond that, how the shit did the Grey Strain get into Earth's oceans?

[mental herald]

Would you look at you

I love that grineer guys quotes they are so funny

[tall echo]

who

[midnight ice]

tyl regor

"would you look at you, worthless ugly freaks"?

[normal mountain]

Maybe that's where the Grey Strain came from in the first place...

After all, Deimos only has it because it was hit with a bio-bomb

[ocean geyser]

which was already present there

Deimos already HAD the Infested in it
but like, contained in research labs and the like

[fast dew]

Orokin [realistically it probably was from like. Idk plaguestar]

[ocean geyser]

Orokin

[ocean geyser]

would make sense

[fast dew]

Orokin

[fast dew]

Mm. That's from Eris though. So maybe not

[ocean geyser]

oh that's where the boils were from?

[fast dew]

I think so??

I don't. Know as much about the infestation as I would like

[normal mountain]

Maybe the ocean Infested are just
Left over from the plague years

Idk
Might be worth revisiting sometime later, DE

[ocean geyser]

they probably will eventually

[fast dew]

A lot can just be blamed on the orokin anyway

[ocean geyser]

no wonder new loka tweaks out constantly

that said, why the hell are their specters of the infested???

[midnight ice]

plays into their irony

wah wah wah purity wah wah (their lore related warframe, Titania, is infested)

wah wah wah wah unclean wah wah make earth great again

[ocean geyser]

to be fair they didnt even know about titania till silver grove

man
it took a lot to unracist Amaryn during that quest im ngl

[mental herald]

Is the orokin tower a part of the infestation?

In cetus

[fast dew]

Mm. Maybe? Meat tower....

Unum..........

[mental herald]

Yeah a tower made of meat. What a thing

[fast dew]

It certainly was a way to built shit

[midnight ice]

also the venus coolants

meat coolant towers

[fast dew]

The venus. Fish are cool actually

[midnight ice]

yeah theyre mostly "cleaners" and basically coolant system conditioners

like, uh, the

[fast dew]

I love that shit its so cool

[midnight ice]

fish that sucks onto things and cleans i dont know the English term for them

[fast dew]

Mm

... suckers maybe? I know the fish you're talking about but I genuinely cannot remember its name

[midnight ice]

also, rhought about it in the shower and i think its a "well we hate the infested but this tool is to purge the unclean with the unclean" situation yk?

[fast dew]

Mm. Targeted mass murder based on their own ideals

[midnight ice]

yup

the infested are evil and gross but if its OUR infested we use it to purify everyone else. Yay

idk they seem the type to be that hypocritical

given that they had the specters since before the unracism during silver grove

[restive river]

We don’t know but it seems like no since the Ostrons eat the meat and they’re chillin’
What the towers are (since there were many but now there is only 1) is unknown beyond they are made of meat

The Orokin were masters of Bioengineering so they don’t need to be infested

[mental herald]

It's funny when I started the quest i was hated by them and they used to trash talk me but now iam max rank with them and they're like "yes my tenno". Does their dialogue change when you complete the quest?

[mental herald]

OSTRONS EAT THAT??? WHY??? I guess that explains why they are so small and malnourished

[restive river]

I don’t think that’s why lol
They eat it cause the Unum lets them iirc

[mental herald]

I wanna puke

[restive river]

She’s the reason they’re even there iirc

You can find them cutting off chunks when you spawn into Cetus

Considering we don’t know what the tower is even made of other than meat and the fact they’re still around after
I wanna say a few hundred years? Idr when they settled
Anyway I think they’re fine lol

If you want an up close look at some tower guts go into free-roam railjack, a broken tower is just out there

[mental herald]

Yeah but they are so tiny it feels like they have some sort of medical issuss

[restive river]

Well they haven’t died out and seem fine, it might just be human genetics changing and evolving over time

[strong viper]

They didnt even check the Nutieional Facts label T.T

[strong viper]

I always assumed that

[restive river]

Show me where you find that on Unum

[strong viper]

Besides, frames are tall

[mental herald]

Drifter too

[strong viper]

You dontttttttt so why eat itttt

[restive river]

Meat is meat and it ain’t infesting anything soooo

[strong viper]

Yeah, because drifter is genetically nest egged

[restive river]

It’s a renewable source of food and more ethical than hunting

[strong viper]

I mean yeah sure

[mental herald]

The people on venus are human too or mixed with alien? I used to think they were just robots when I first got thefe

[idle fog]

name the fictional non-Warframe character you wanna turn into a Warframe

can be from Warframe or from any other verse

[strong viper]

But if it gives then kuru i mean

[tall echo]

there are no aliens

[restive river]

No aliens in Warframe
All human

[mental herald]

Clem

[fast dew]

We have xenoflora but

[mental herald]

I mean the wildlife qualifies like that no?

[restive river]

Why would you subject him to something so awful ):

[restive river]

No lol

[mental herald]

My bad. I mean clem CLONE

[restive river]

[tall echo]

nope, gene modified earth animals

[restive river]

The Orokin messed with the genetics of a lot of animals

They made a beetle that looks like a void key
Why?
Aesthetic

[tall echo]

what was the point of giving the kuaka spikes that require the back to be split open

[strong viper]

It looked "too busy" before

[restive river]

There’s only 2 “aliens” in Warframe
The Void by sheer technicality, but it is not alive
And Xenoflora, which is not sapient

[restive river]

Funny…?

[strong viper]

A e s t h e t i c k

[tall echo]

well we don't know if xenoflora was sapient or not

[mental herald]

Y'all THINK tau has aliens?

[restive river]

Fair, but it do just be flowers that don’t do anything on their own

[strong viper]

Yeah aliens called flowers

[restive river]

That’s the Xenoflora lol

[mental herald]

Flowers giving sentients brains

[restive river]

Fyi
This is why no aliens

[restive river]

Fragments
The whole sentients were already well. Sentient lol

[midnight ice]

no theyre still racist asf to me bc i'm at -2 with them

[idle fog]

isn't hunhow, lotus an alien then

[restive river]

No

[fast dew]

Human made machines

[tall echo]

made by orokin who are human

[fast dew]

Just. Aware

[midnight ice]

i guess you could say that amar was an aware wolf heh heh heh

sensibly chuckled

[restive river]

The sentients were made by the Orokin, whole Sentients naturally became sentient
The Fragments are the ones that consume the flowers and then they break off from the “hive mind” that is their respective whole Sentients.

[midnight ice]

a good rule of thumb is that there are no aliens in the origin system

[tall echo]

or outside it

[midnight ice]

Perita/Tau has one (1)

[strong viper]

So brain wasnt really it more like ego

[fast dew]

1 (one)

[restive river]

Cough

[strong viper]

If u want aliens there is always massive ex

[restive river]

What

[strong viper]

https://tenor.com/view/shepherd-excuse-me-hold-up-you-wot-m8-gif-26022926

[idle fog]

so Superman is more alien than every sapient being in warframe

[strong viper]

Literally yeah

[restive river]

Closest thing to a sapient alien we have would be Wally who was still impacted by Albrecht and possibly did not even exist until Albrecht fell into the void

[strong viper]

Hard to call that an organism

[mental herald]

How ? Albert made him?

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment

[fast dew]

It was an accident, completely unintentional

[restive river]

His emotions, feelings and the concepts within his head likely contributed to why Wally is the way he is, at least to some extent

He sure didn’t seem to exist in any way that mattered prior to that moment

[tall echo]

mainly his fear from breaking the bell

[restive river]

And falling into a nothing dimension

And then being afraid cause oh this ain’t nothin no more

[fast dew]

Possibly never seeing his loved ones ever again

[tall echo]

maybe disappointment from seeing marble floor

[mental herald]

Then how did we get powers

[tall echo]

nah

[restive river]

We made a deal with Wally

We carry a piece of him within us, all tenno do thanks to said deal

[tall echo]

albrecht's incident was before the 10-0

[fast dew]

He absolutely feared it then, im sure he fears it now. Just. He has to keep on moving from that fear

[mental herald]

How did he know who we are and how we are connected to albetert

[tall echo]

he didn't

[fast dew]

Albrecht was awaiting for a chosen operator.

[restive river]

He likes to watch

[strong viper]

Canon

[restive river]

And we aren’t connected to Albrecht much for a while

[fast dew]

Wally does like to watch too

[tall echo]

from the completely normal office chair

[restive river]

Whispers is the first moment when we have a real connection to him specifically

[fast dew]

Drifter was! I wonder if Albrecht realised what happened with the drifter

[restive river]

Oh yeah they at minimum talked once lol

[mental herald]

What about rell

[fast dew]

Rell?

[midnight ice]

and you could argue wally is "man-made"

[restive river]

Rell saw Wally for what he was day 1 and planned accordingly to seal him for as long as he could

[mental herald]

The guy who supposedly kept us safe

[fast dew]

Im. Still unsure of how Albrecht and Rell came to the same conclusion for the name of wally

[restive river]

Yup!

[strong viper]

Albrecht maybe heard the moniker from rell

[restive river]

He did keep us safe
He held back Wally for over a thousand years at the minimum

[strong viper]

"Oh i see, cause hes in the walls. Yeah sure"

[tall echo]

door was a wall
wally talked through the walls

[fast dew]

Ehh? Unlikely. Albrecht says noone ever saw wally after

[restive river]

Wally was still able to communicate through the piece of himself ofc but that’s all Wally could do due to Rell sealing himself and Wally away inside Harrow

[strong viper]

Ahhh. Probably jist convergent ettmology

[tall echo]

wrong way around

[fast dew]

So he wouldn't have interacted with them about it

[midnight ice]

lyon calls it the Wall too (could be his connection to rell though via the Harrow Intranet skullduggery), and so does Vor (which is disconnected from them all)

[strong viper]

Good point

[restive river]

Then Chains happens and now he’s our problen
Then New War happened and Ballas inadvertently made Wally more powerful

[midnight ice]

Vor called it the Wall of Bones too

[strong viper]

I knee he met hin first but yeah maybe rell picked up on vibes

[midnight ice]

everyone kind of came to the same conclusion

[strong viper]

So he saw the weird architecture guy?

[strong viper]

Yeah i read it all.

[tall echo]

you knee

[restive river]

Wally likely took on the wall form cause he was referred to as the Man in the Wall

[strong viper]

I just had steak and i type on mobile so

You knee what I meant

[midnight ice]

oh, yeah, because Wall of Lohk

[fast dew]

Im more weirded out from Albrecht because he

Never mentions wally to anyone

Noone ever saw wally that he was aware of

Never saw wally as the wall form, as he never saw wally again after the fact

[tall echo]

you are a knee

[mental herald]

How does corrupted vor survive and how did he end up in the void

[restive river]

There’s the theory that our perception, that anyone’s perception of him changes him iirc
View him as a scary wall man who’s a maybe god and oops your fear is manifest

[strong viper]

Will u be my arrow

[restive river]

Void key

[tall echo]

[Insert vor speech here]

[midnight ice]

man trapped in the Wall of Lohk -> man in the wall -> wall-man. get me?

[fast dew]

Also chat

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment go brrr

[tall echo]

I'm not on my phone I don't have access to the copypasta

[mental herald]

Janus key?

[restive river]

-> Wally

[restive river]

Yup!

[fast dew]

How. How did Albrecht see shit if he got his eyes blasted out from the seriglass bell

[mental herald]

He stole it from us?

[restive river]

No
He had it at the start before we awoke

[tall echo]

he didn't, he was blinded after

[strong viper]

-> walmart

[tall echo]

the cutting happened when he left

[woven coyote]

yonta almost became fully aware of wally

[strong viper]

New theory: albrecht and wally switched places long ago and "wally" is just trying to tell us

[fast dew]

But how??? The shattering happened before the fell

[fast dew]

This is what Albrecht fears the most

[tall echo]

technically the oldest theory

[mental herald]

I think albert is cheating on loid with wallman

[woven coyote]

not new at all because albrecht had that theory first lol

[tall echo]

and the glass landed outside

[fast dew]

Absolutely not. Wally would disintegrate at the concept of affection lmfao

[restive river]

Nah he’s their third

[midnight ice]

albrechts own theory

[strong viper]

Oh oof lmfao

[mental herald]

Oh he's the watcher