lore-discussion

[restive river]

The Vessels are right there Thomas 😭

[fast dew]

Yeah and we need helminth for archon shards 😭 I don't think Loid is jabbing them into the spine of a vessel or anything

[lean garden]

hell, isnt the necramite to do with the infested?

[blissful merlin]

Trapping you inside of your ancestors memories, or if that doesn’t work, your own traumatic memories where your subconscious refuses to escape so they just have full control over your body that’s plugged into an animus. They even mention gel being used to sustain the body for experiments to try to actually alter the past but can only do so with actual human sacrifices to the animus AI itself. It’s bizarre. It’s literally the matrix story but retold through AC lens lol

[restive river]

Thomas
Albrecht absolutely has access to a helminth, he made the Vessels, he designed Qorvex

[fast dew]

The surface is greystrain, i would be incredibly impressed if either one of them managed to bioengineer the helminth back into existence from the grey strain

[fast dew]

Im still unsure if he made or just designed him tbh

Protea style yk

[restive river]

it says designed but still

You need to know how helminth works to design a frame

[fast dew]

Both the description and Loid iirc

[restive river]

At least to some extent

[fast dew]

Does parvos know then 😭

[restive river]

And also
Again
He has the Vessels

[blissful merlin]

The way they explain how it’s the helminth I’m just like…but where is that helminth??? In 1999, in obvious spots where our character will spawn in there’s an actual 1999 version of helminth just sitting there implying you just got spit out from there. And from Kim chats with the triad it sounds like their trip was just as gross sounding?? Idk. It’s weird. I could be misremembering. Like if that’s supposed to be their helminth why is it an actual portal and not the actual helminth we’ve experienced in both present and past.

[fast dew]

Parvos would but only cus he bribed ballas or some shit

[restive river]

Would not be a big shock lol

[restive river]

EXACTLY
THANK YOU
WHY CAN ROATHE JUST MAKE A HELMINTH BLOOD PORTAL???

[fast dew]

Thats what we're trying to figure out 😭

Where the helminth would've been on our side for Roathe to come through

Im saying the labs mightve had one, but im unsure if Albrecht would just let that shit go wild or not when he left

[blissful merlin]

They could’ve just attached that helminth to these 2 points and have that be the portal. Not a literal one. Like an access point.

[restive river]

If it’s helminth it ain’t wild

But also we don’t see just like
Some exposed helminth growing into a golden portal

[fast dew]

No, but it encroaches onto things

[restive river]

Seriously there is no infestation on that thing that is not infested

It’s more like a duviri portal if anything

[fast dew]

Mm. True

[blissful merlin]

And if Roathe somehow came up with this miracle turning the helminth into a literal portal….thats also another huge thing

[fast dew]

It looks similar to Roathe's. Golden shit

[restive river]

I think this may be another point to
Skins first
Lore second

[blissful merlin]

Instead of sliding through a slug mouth. Walking through an actual portal. Lol

[fast dew]

Theres also the question of like

[restive river]

Which. I don’t want that to be a continued trend.

[blissful merlin]

Same

[fast dew]

How did this man even build that shit

[restive river]

YEAH

[fast dew]

Xata unfortunately

[restive river]

I know how the helminth works
How is Roathe of all Orokin doing this?

[glass sluice]

don't tell the e621 folks or we'll have some weird posts in this channel. Well, weirder.

[restive river]

Does this just establish all Orokin are just that smart??

[fast dew]

And also. Is it not incredibly risky to have a whole portal to another time for wally to just walk on through

[restive river]

Oh good another thing we can blame those blue muckers for

[glass sluice]

Wally can appear in the backroom of 1999, that sort of implies he can anyway.

[restive river]

Ok but him appearing to us is due to our piece of him, always has been
He isn’t physically there

[fast dew]

Surely not. Some of them might be but i get the sense its not to the same degree as someone like Albrecht and his understandings of the void

[restive river]

And yet Roathe reengineered a working Helminth and turned it into a glorious golden portal from
Blood

[blissful merlin]

And like…if that’s the case, why is the drifter not questioning roathe more on that subject…especially with that weird convo with him mentioning lotus and other Tenno being evil and prepping other helminths. Like…what’s your knowledge on all of this my guy??! Lmaooo

[restive river]

That’s such an enormous feat like
What

[glass sluice]

@restive river possibly true, but I think it's naive to assume that we've somehow dodged him by staying in 1999

[fast dew]

Mary Sue moment perhaps ......

[restive river]

We haven’t lmao

[fast dew]

Roach does feel like that

Like a Mary sue

[lean garden]

tbvvvvf roathe is one of the very competent ones

[restive river]

The Murmur still show up in ETA, he’s still fighting for 1999

[lean garden]

like based on his description of his peers, the only ones that outclass him are the seven (and albrecht)

[fast dew]

I imagine that could be from age. I get the sense Roathe is a lot younger than Albrecht

[restive river]

Yeah
I don’t like Roathe :/

[glass sluice]

that phrase means so little now, it needs to come with a warning.

[fast dew]

Not just visually I mean

One is clearly a lot more immature than the other

[fast dew]

Him tryna insinuate that Albrecht intentionally got neci possessed kinda annoyed me.

[midnight ice]

Gary Sue ☝️🤓

[fast dew]

I have my own issues with Roach, the bastard but like

[lean garden]

tbf you dont need much knowledge to have that lotus evil convo, like have you seen reddit/youtube comments? they do that shit on the fly

[fast dew]

He makes it sound so believable

[glass sluice]

Roathe would be a lot younger for sure, since otherwise his story in the KiM conversations doesn't hit as hard.
The young one in a power-division relationship being in the weaker spot, is pretty standard.

[fast dew]

But its not taking into account the ARG

[lean garden]

kek get orokin'd

[fast dew]

He didn't know of the ARG

Which. Wasn't Albrecht 😭 "your species" my ass

[lean garden]

I mean, did anyone in universe record down the ARG? It looks like all he knows is just what was recorded in universe

and is available in sanctum

[fast dew]

Yeah! Noone would, but it becomes an issue irl when folk think Albrecht did that because they dont know of the ARG

Once again, its gonna cause the whole

"Albrecht would shoot a puppy point blank for no reason" shit that happens constantly

Its this weird catch 22, ive noticed with how people see Albrecht

[glass sluice]

He did actively lie to the Hex about the techrot, getting them to help spread it

[fast dew]

He cannot be nice, or he's manipulating people, but he can't be not nice or he's an ass

[blissful merlin]

That’s kinda different here lol
I mean like in-game. With Tenno in-universe knowledge.
Roathe in that convo is just thinking of a situation where everything goes wrong and everyone turns against us. What would we do to combat that? All he gives us his suggestions which is extra helminths and I think summoning our proto army (which is few) I forget the exact dialogue. I’d have to look back. But yea. It’s just one of his what if situations he throws us into to question our morale or whatever else the devil is trying to accomplish

[fast dew]

Roach suggesting the what. 13? Protoframes go against countless tenno is so silly

[glass sluice]

The horse from the witcher?

[fast dew]

Half of them aren't even aware of how mods work

Actually. Im not sure any of them but maybe roach does

[blissful merlin]

I hope and wish for someday that they implement void relic stuff into 1999. I remember a devshort of Reb bringing it up but instead of it being a void thing it’d be a temporal paradox moment of some kind with Kaya in dialogue. Imma have to bring it up again next devshort or stream cuz 1. Id absolutely love more Kaya dialogue. But 2. Just actual temporal stuff in 1999 with relics would be PEAKKKKK.

[fast dew]

I will like to say this, Lettie saying "silent carrier" is kinda bs? Thats a term explicitly used for genetic diseases

She's meaning asymptomatic but

Also

[lean garden]

actually, given the whole conversation, Im not sure what Drifter has to question roathe on the source of his knowledge

[fast dew]

I'll need to find the exact kim

[glass sluice]

I'm not talking about specific language used in the messages, I mean the entire thing was exactly that: he lied to them to get them to help spread a plague that killed most of a city.

[fast dew]

But she mentions also keeping rabid animals

And the one shes meaning of, that its silent, is. Not something you can really test for without having to euthanise the animal and take a sample of the brain

[glass sluice]

Alby has specific points that I'm sure justify the end goal, but that doesn't mean we just ignore the horrible stuff he's done.

[lean garden]

separately: same convo confirms that roathe's helminth destination is the present lol

[fast dew]

Course not, I just get annoyed when folk just make shit up for characters. Id get the same amount of frustration from someone doing that to Ballas or Erra

[glass sluice]

Saying something like "he kicks puppies", is hyperbole, it's not meant to be taken as a literal thing.
the phrase is used as a shorthand for someone who is doing the worst things you can imagine, because anyone who kicks a puppy is the worst.

[blissful merlin]

Oh idk how about how bro built a helminth to get here to look like an actual duviri portal. And…how he plans to build more with what resources. Like that’s a pretty big thing to know I feel like. Especially when it comes to time travel and bringing protos to the present. Feels like if roathe and them can bring themselves to our present via helminth. We’d wanna figure out how to do it for our other proto friends in 1999 and I guess whoever we make friends with other protos…if they decide to add more. But alas. It’s a huge thing to question him on. ESPECIALLY with drifter promising and talking with each of the hex members about bringing themselves to the present to be there when everything goes down.

[fast dew]

Thats what im meaning but people legitimately think he just does this shit for the sake of doing it

Im not saying he wouldn't, if it stopped wally

But he will only do it if it could stop wally

[blissful merlin]

Drifter had every right to question Roathe on that knowledge lol

Especially cuz he’s a freaking orokin bastard. We need to press him on these type of things that’ll be useful later.

[fast dew]

As if he wouldn't just lie to us

[glass sluice]

I guess it boils down to the question of, is Wally the void itself and just puts on a face to contact us, or are they a being within the void, and there might be others.

[blissful merlin]

IDC. ASK HIM ANYWAY. If you’re trusted you’ll be fine I guess. But MAN-

[fast dew]

Wally has been hinted to be a singular guy outside of the void. He just resides in in due to the nature of conceptual embodiment

[dark compass]

Videogame characters can't lie, don't you know

[glass sluice]

Okay good, because if "he" was just a face that the void put forward, the idea of stopping them is absurd.

[fast dew]

They generally can't move too far from the void or an anchor

[lean garden]

how he plans to build more
Dude succeeded in the past with no electricity and his blood.
He's in the present with appropriate tools and even then he says he needs more research to achieve it

[glass sluice]

All Roathe needs to make another one is another 3 years of sitting on a stool with his legs spread way too wide with no pants on.

[blissful merlin]

Thats my thing….asking him HOW

[lean garden]

like theres not much to question him on when he goes "dang I need to go figure it out if we need to"

[blissful merlin]

Even with his current research

How did he achieve that already? Like…

[glass sluice]

"i assure you Drifter, flashing Lyon+Marie 24/7 is an important part of the helminth process".

[fast dew]

Fun fact, his Loincloth would disappear, along with Loid's glasses, during the cutscene where Roathe lwky bullies Loid back up to the family

[blissful merlin]

That’s a big enough thing to ask about I’m just saying. That we never do. Cuz the protos could be brought to us that way if it’s the way Roathe intends. Outside of transference which is just temporary.

[fast dew]

Which. I hate. I feel as if there's a way to push Loid to the family without intimidating him

[glass sluice]

@fast dew ya just know he did that on purpose.

[fast dew]

He did. It was planned from the start.

He mentions using his "orokin status" to convince Loid

Who. Historically likes to piss the Orokin off

[glass sluice]

Oh Roathe didn't care about helping out Loid, even if you get him to agree without threats.
I'm convinced that the only reason he doesn't talk about murdering them in the good ending, is that he thought better of it for the long-run.

[fast dew]

I think he wouldn't have gone through with the threat against the family, but the threat is really shitty regardless

[lean garden]

Roathe: Muahaha I have revealed the little roathe to establish a bid for dominance
Loid: Jokes on you I have myopia

[glass sluice]

His ego is too big to call it "little roathe"

[fast dew]

Loid with the most silent case of ODD ever:
-# ODD meaning oppositional defiance disorder

[lean garden]

idk man, iirc thats what the Chinese have taking to calling it

from when tennovip stopped by shanghai

[fast dew]

I hope i can go to Tennovip next year

Or. If they do come this year but earlier

[glass sluice]

I'm still mad it came to my capitol city, and still couldn't go.

well the popup thing

[fast dew]

I live like. 7ish hours away from Melbourne and I caught a train to it 😭

Tbf I had the actual event to go to

I had the burning question for Rebecca about. Albrecht's possible other children

Now that she made it worse. I have more questions

[glass sluice]

on an unrelated note, I loved this kim convo so very much

"done with this s**t Eleanor" is my favourite El'.

[pale cedar]

I wonder what bad will come of the deal with Roathe in future because devil dealings always come with something bad

[glass sluice]

If he tries to betray us, I'll just tie his tail to one of those wall railings.

don't have an easily exploitable weakness if you call yourself "the devil". lol

[fast dew]

His tail bones would probably fracture

Through. That probably is deserved

Crunchy :3

[glass sluice]

I wonder how he'd react to the Eiffel 65 song, I bet he'd call us racist over it.

[fast dew]

HA

Like he cares.

Reminder that Roach calls Vor a vatrat
-# yeah noone likes the grineer but you don't call them a damn slur

[fast dew]

Eugh.

Roathe is. A creep i feel

[glass sluice]

oh 100% he is

[fast dew]

Thats creepy

Im not comfortable with the line he has about being alone with Loid. Like yeah its probably just he's gonna hurt him but. Eugh

The other interpretation of hurt him would be. Not surprising

[blissful merlin]

It’d be absolutely hilarious if Roathe tried to claim he’d become THE Uriel prime even thou he was there for its birth. Like somehow he’d find a way to twist it into his story lol. That all along he was watching himself hatch from the golden cocoon he originally said he was present for.

hears a slap across the face in the background of the trailer “this isn’t about you. It’s about me!” Nitokh resumes the trailer’s dialogue hehe

[fast dew]

"I wonder... How would Albrecht feel, knowing I was here with Loid... without him keeping watch?"

Ew go back into the gutter you creep

We all kicking the shit out of Roach

Albrecht too but less so

[blissful merlin]

kicks violently

[glass sluice]

Roathe mentions in his conversations that he won't tell us the name of who was the first Uriel, implying that it's a very personal thing for him.

[blissful merlin]

Oh perfect😈

[fast dew]

Kicking his ribs screw the man

[glass sluice]

I do sorta suspect that it's his Orokin mistress, or whatever term he wants to use for her.

[fast dew]

The. The violence i feel towards him is. Probably something i should go see my therapist for

[dark compass]

Please don't turn Nitohk into a protoframe I'm going to cry

[blissful merlin]

Could very well be “it was me that turned into the devil but I refuse cuz I’m a petty bit-“ /j

https://tenor.com/view/just-kidding-christina-aguilera-christina-gif-5467111

[glass sluice]

I did wonder during Old Peace, why the uriel that we took over wasn't the prime one, there has to be a lore reason

[fast dew]

She was his abuser, like straight up but id honestly just explode than see her as a protoframe

Because that means Albrecht did crazy shit again

[blissful merlin]

Fr. I see so many want her to be Garuda proto and I’m just like…………kill me instead lol

[glass sluice]

Not as a marie/lyon style character, I mean that I think she might've been the OG Prime.

[fast dew]

Like they dont comprehend what it would mean for it

[blissful merlin]

Not at all

[fast dew]

I can see Niktohk being behind Gardura n stuff

[swift sentinel]

Only seems to have been one Uriel Prime, the rest of Roathe's men were turned into regular Uriel

[glass sluice]

yeah thats how the prime ones worked, AFAIK

[swift sentinel]

Nah, some Primes were massed produced, Uriel Prime seems to have been made as like an honour to Roathe in some way.

[fast dew]

Meaning. Albrecht somehow got the stock standard for orokin accept something that ruins the "purity" thing the orokin had, or he somehow managed to force the warmonger who would just murder you into it

[swift sentinel]

You can be tricked into taking the Helminth. Just sticking her while she's unware would be enough

[fast dew]

Yeah, i severely doubt Albrecht would be able to find her unaware

[swift sentinel]

Why? Avantus got got in the back

[fast dew]

He's smart, sure but. I don't think he'd be able to do it by himself. And he wouldn't live after he did it. Also, from memory, the helminth process is a lot slower than some think

[drowsy saddle]

Nah nah nah, Nitokh as Garuda is weak sauce, Nitokh's daughter as Garuda is the real shi

[glass sluice]

oh roathes daughter?

[swift sentinel]

From what I remember of Lyon talking about it, it was agony that first night

[glass sluice]

cmon you know people are gonna think it

[fast dew]

Im basing it off the sacrifice, and how slow that process was

Compared to just. Sticking them and hoping for the best

[glass sluice]

yeah the serum is real bad, "I'll never forget Aoi's screams" is a line from Lettie about it.

[fast dew]

Avantus wasn't a warlord who expects folk to murder them constantly 😭

[swift sentinel]

Umbra was specifically meant as a torture

[fast dew]

Ehh

But that doesn't change the process

[midnight ice]

offhandedly wondering: are all copies of a frame exactly 1:1, or are there one of the urielings say missing a tassel or having different energy patterns?

[glass sluice]

I know what you're asking. Do all the styanax deluxe copies have tassles.

[pale cedar]

It wasn’t meant as torture it just happened to be torture to become a frame the real torture was the burning memory

[glass sluice]

and the answer is yes: that's a unviersal constant.

[fast dew]

Depends on how they are multiple. If theyre copied from one uriel, it would be the same, but if you mean the multiple people that got uriel'd

[swift sentinel]

I think it was both

[midnight ice]

i mean yes, its mandatory to have tassels if ur a styanax and if you dont have one youre out of uniform and will be sent home, but

[midnight ice]

i meant moreso like yeah, did the Urielings under roathe look identical?

[fast dew]

Probably not, the helminth process would differ person to person id expect

[midnight ice]

are there minute differences between each? the infestation can't be that perfect, same way even human twins are subtly different?

[fast dew]

Even our own bodies cannot produce two identical things

One of your ears are bigger than the other :3

[midnight ice]

also for whoever drove the first sevagoth prime btw. they take your sevagothing license if you forget the tassels at home

[swift sentinel]

Probably, e.g Kaya has noticably thicker hips than Nova does

[fast dew]

"Sevagothing license"

[midnight ice]

hm. i kind of want to see the gaggle of Urielings

do they follow roathe like a mother duck?

[pale cedar]

All those identical twins you’re not calling visually the same

[swift sentinel]

In game, they'll probably be identical, or just with some alt helmets mixed in

[midnight ice]

ooo

[fast dew]

God I. Have an Albrecht version of this my mate made after the. Albrecht's flock thing

[glass sluice]

"uriellings" sounds like a bladder infection

[midnight ice]

yeah i have a uriel tract infection

[drowsy saddle]

"we are the Urielings! Drifter feed us!"

[fast dew]

It does. Giving Roach a UTI

[glass sluice]

no, leave the horse alone!

[fast dew]

Dw I wont do anything to a horse. The blue rat though.

Hes not off limits.

[pale cedar]

We gotta shoot Roathe he escaped the Naga Drums

[drowsy saddle]

Kneecap him

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/samwise-gamgee-frodo-sam-lotr-gollum-gif-15924654

[glass sluice]

"blue-ta-toes"

[radiant pier]

WOAH WAIT

IS VARZIA THAT DAX SOLDIER FROM THE ERRA CUTSCENE

[fast dew]

Yeah?

[radiant pier]

is that a question or

[fast dew]

Nah just

Agreeing

[radiant pier]

WHAT DID SHE JUST SAY

#FREAKYFRAME

[fast dew]

Hm?

Oh. Yeah she's like

She's bi/pan, she likes both Maroo and teshin :)

[radiant pier]

what is varzia talking about why'd she say that pinning thing about teshin I just got here

AND THE CUFFS WITH MAROO

[fast dew]

She's just a little freaky like that

[radiant pier]

she's a bisexual and pansexual icon lmfao I love her already

[fast dew]

She is.

[radiant pier]

she's openly freaky I literally just got here checking what I'd want to get

[fast dew]

Picking her up and very gently throwing her and Maroo into the Void to hang with teshin

[radiant pier]

that idiot's in the void?

[ocean geyser]

Would she still like Teshin even though he’s kinda old now

Uhoh

[fast dew]

One doesn't stop loving because they're old, thats weak

[fast dew]

Have you not played the duviri paradox 😭

[ocean geyser]

Hey what main quests have you done….

[fast dew]

Were you not the mf that just did whispers

[radiant pier]

is she into silver foxes

yep I did the whispers thing

just did the man in the wall stuff

[ocean geyser]

Teshin’s in Duviri bro

[fast dew]

Go play the duviri paradox 😭

[radiant pier]

teshin's in the void? oh yeah wtf happened to him

[ocean geyser]

Go play the quest lmao

[radiant pier]

oh I haven't touched duviri LMAO OKAY I'LL GO DO THAT

[fast dew]

Oh my god 😭

Baby tenno never cease to make me laugh

[radiant pier]

what the hell is this

[fast dew]

You know the Zariman? Where you met wally in the void in the classroom?

[radiant pier]

I keep trying to finish my star chart but I keep getting distracted-OOO CUTSCENE BYE

[radiant pier]

yes

[fast dew]

Oh. Shit hold on go watch that cutscene first

Forgot about that

[radiant pier]

woah

drifter?

WOAH

HOLY CRAP THIS IS SO IS THAT A HAND

thank goodness I put face paint on my drifter I wouldn't have realized otherwise

DOMINATRIX?

oh dominus thrax

IS THAT A HORSE

[ocean geyser]

I love thes reactions

[fast dew]

Live duviri reaction

[fast dew]

Remember the hand the lotus lost in the new war?

[radiant pier]

OHMYGOD

how the hell did I misread that as dominatrix

[fast dew]

Thrax would get so upset at that

[radiant pier]

it's not my fault they decided "Dominus" and "Thrax" sounded good together

[fast dew]

Thrax is just a little kid, he doesn't know better

[radiant pier]

so

WHY IS MY HORSE'S RUN SPEED

FASTER THAN THE GUIDANCE

BUT THE GUIDANCE, IS FASTER THAN MY WALK SPEED

[fast dew]

Slow down, observe the world

Mm, you enter in an anger spiral, don't you? I think?

[radiant pier]

oh I am, I've been staring at the trees

[fast dew]

Is it aggressively red or nah

[radiant pier]

SHE WHISTLED AT THE HORSE

oop I fell off

[fast dew]

Honse

Yeah you will just fall off in duviri a lot

[radiant pier]

I love horse

[opaque zenith]

If it's the quest the first spiral should be calm iirc, but anger after

[fast dew]

Kaithes, and those are real!

[radiant pier]

right I should probably do the actual quests stuff

[fast dew]

Neat. I was... kinda right

[radiant pier]

can I pet the horse?

[fast dew]

Unfortunately not :(

[radiant pier]

DE fix that

[fast dew]

But once you do the hex, you can pet kalymos

You can own kalymos

https://tenor.com/view/kalymos-warframe-heart-cat-gif-14437175578720025539

[radiant pier]

is that

me?

[fast dew]

:3

[opaque zenith]

Thinking about that, You can pet surprisingly few things in this game. Need more peting and hugging mechanics

[radiant pier]

holy crap is that beerus

is it.... telling me to jump off

[pale cedar]

No, it's Meerus

[radiant pier]

NO I ACCIDENTALLY SKIPPED A CINEMATIC

brb YouTube

TESHIN?

[ocean geyser]

Teshin :3

[radiant pier]

YOU OLD BASTARD HOW ARE YOU ALIVE

come back from the void old man varzia wants to pin you down

accept your fate

god he seems like my friend's type

this is terrible

[fast dew]

Oh how terrible

Idk what it is but oh no

[radiant pier]

because this is literally HER TYPE

SHE LOVES "silver fox daddies" now her words echo in my head each time there's a not decrepit older man on my screen

....okay maybe
*slightly not decrepit

[dark compass]

Someone's having a fun time here huh

[dark compass]

He has a pet

Any person who cares for a pet is automatically less decrepit

[idle fog]

wait WHAT

[dark compass]

Then it scales downward with the amount of pets

[radiant pier]

is this chat purely for lore discussions

[idle fog]

I still don't have kavat incubator segment

so I don't know if I can name my cat Kalymos

[radiant pier]

or may I use it as my.....playing through the quests chat

[dark compass]

Lore channel is rarely looked into ppl discuss all sorts of stuff here

[fast dew]

Yeah :3

[idle fog]

I don't wanna grind for ONE argon crystal istg I get one when I don't even need it

[fast dew]

You can get her gene pack. I can't.... remember what the description is

[idle fog]

not to mention scanning 10 cars

[fast dew]

You do get double if you have a resource boost iirc

[dark compass]

Gene masking kit

[fast dew]

And you can just buy em lol

Honestly just go grind a prime set or smthn and sell it

[dark compass]

Not too expensive, like 2 unvalued primes worth

Or 4 decently demanded augments

[radiant pier]

can I disable the locking on

I kinda....I hate it

[fast dew]

Uhh yeah I think so thats just a button you can press

[radiant pier]

neato

let's fight Dominatrix

[fast dew]

Im sure one would love to

[radiant pier]

I'm just gonna start calling Dominus Thrax, Dominatrix, is that cool with y'all?

to celebrate that awful misread

HOLY SHIT THIS AIN'T A HORSE

IT'S A PEGASUS

I CAN FLY

[fast dew]

You know, they should've called the brown sanctum brown, the sanctum is brown. The vitreum is like. Organs, so it being red would make sense. Guess not

[radiant pier]

I FELL OFF LMFAO

[pale cedar]

Skill issue

[radiant pier]

BE QUIET TESHIN I'M ON A FLYING HORSE

[fast dew]

Baby tenno experiencing flight for the first time

[radiant pier]

holy shit the dude's voice maybe my friend's got a point this dude is kinda hot

not gay tho, just stating the truth

[whole lava]

just wait until you finish ||the hex|| quest

👁️

[midnight ice]

and r4 the hex

[whole lava]

whatev

[radiant pier]

hey if I was gay or bi I'd have said so already ain't nothin' wrong with that peace and love I love everyone

I'm aro tho

[whole lava]

fair

[midnight ice]

not correcting sorry appending to it

respect

[radiant pier]

dang wait should I go with my first Warframe again or do something a lil different

[whole lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1291467897398624277/1469430691560165486/ajgu7x.gif

[radiant pier]

(Mag)

[midnight ice]

https://tenor.com/view/vesuvius-baby-baby-ash-gif-2339947883921805569

[whole lava]

always go different, try out new warframes and see what's best for you as a player

[radiant pier]

oh no I've only been playing for like a month I've got like 4 primes alr

[whole lava]

the what

[radiant pier]

I guess I go with volt since I've already used Exca Umbra and Mag

[idle fog]

Ive only got 1 and that's because of like the Garuda Prime I bought with 6 regal aya

[fast dew]

WGAT

HUH

[radiant pier]

wouldn't it be better to buy plat and go trade? I imagine that'd be cheaper

[idle fog]

is that normal for someone to have FOUR primes dawg what's your MR

[radiant pier]

oh 11

[whole lava]

maybe they're doing duviri late

[radiant pier]

oh I am doing duviri extremely late

[whole lava]

i'm mr 11 and i only have two primes 💔

[fast dew]

FROM ONLY A MONTH.

[radiant pier]

just finished whisper in the walls

I MEAN ISN'T THAT KINDA SLOW THO

[whole lava]

bejesus christ!

[strange turtle]

NO

[fast dew]

NO.

[dark compass]

Huh? I've had like 6 primes by the first month

[whole lava]

that's, uhh, fast, actually

[opaque zenith]

Little context: @radiant pier did stuff till Whispers but never did Duviri till now

[radiant pier]

I could go get caliban protea, yareli and atlas rn I'm only missing one thing from each of em

I'm too lazy is the thing

if it helps, I didn't do the dog quest til like....last week after my buddie told me to

[fast dew]

I only have 10 and im like. mr14 iirc

[strange turtle]

But not too lazy to get four primes in your first month before before you even reached endgame??

[radiant pier]

VOLT IT IS

[dark compass]

Xaku, Lavos, Zephyr, Baruuk, Protea and Valkyr

[radiant pier]

...possibly

[idle fog]

MR7 and 1 prime

is xaku prime vaulted

[whole lava]

another thing @radiant pier, if you get your riding skill with intrinstics to 10 you unlock the kaithe in open world

[dark compass]

Not yet

[radiant pier]

Xaku prime isn't vaulted no what do you want I've got a bunch extra

[dark compass]

Next to the vault is Protea, with Styanax Prime

[radiant pier]

I had like 6 Xaku Prime BPs in the past 2 weeks, I kept one though! already crafted! what parts do you wanttt

[idle fog]

current can only access the mobile droid version so I'm cooked

[dark compass]

Then Sevagoth with Voruna Prime, most likely

[radiant pier]

EXCUSE ME

[fast dew]

protea, limbo, valkyr, equinox, wisp, garuda, yareli, ivara, hildryn and sevagoth

[radiant pier]

Valkyr, Xaku, Saryn...I forget the others

[whole lava]

after unlocking said kaithe you will barely use it over archwings!

[radiant pier]

DUDE IT'S A- wait what're your pronouns

[dark compass]

[whole lava]

who are you asking

[strange turtle]

MR 19. I’ve got Hydroid, Ivara, Mag, Ember, _should’ve had Saryn if that one stream didn’t freak out, Valkyr and Harrow.

[radiant pier]

u

[fast dew]

Ive been desperately looking for more masc primes, but like. Some of them look like ass 💔

[whole lava]

she/her

[fast dew]

You got peak [but cluttered peak] like Sevagoth

[dark compass]

Default Lavos skin

Trust

[fast dew]

Once I grind lavos enough. I think i have majority of his parts

Ive been meaning to go find Xaku's main bp

[radiant pier]

okeoke thank you

[radiant pier]

GIRLYPOP IT'S A

FLYING HORSE

[dark compass]

https://youtu.be/QNIyIknMAYc

[fast dew]

Oh yeah shout out to Rebecca for allowing me to shut those people up when they try to say xaku is anything but a they/them

[dark compass]

Just look at him and his animations

[whole lava]

errrrmmmmmm.... archwing faster?

[dark compass]

Dual pistols noble Lavos is insane

[radiant pier]

my pronouns are also they/them, then again I'm....I'm genderfluid so I guess the answer is any?

[radiant pier]

so? horse

Uma Musume

[whole lava]

same here but only for the genderfluid part

[whole lava]

durrr fair enough

[radiant pier]

this loading screen is majestic

[whole lava]

i need to name my kaithe rakhali just to be lore accurate with dagath

[fast dew]

I always forget he has snakes

Minos prime fashion coming soon™

[radiant pier]

I'm gonna name mine....

Daiwa Scarlet.

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/ultrakill-judgement-jumpscare-minos-prime-heart-gif-6202548350089657013

[dark compass]

His sona and his master

[radiant pier]

"Enter Teshin's cave" yeah if only Varzia was here

[fast dew]

Snek......

[strange turtle]

The obviously superior name is Matikanetannhauser 😤

[fast dew]

Snakes are so cool

[radiant pier]

your goat takes it up the butt and to say otherwise is denial of reality

[fast dew]

This is where i take my leave

[radiant pier]

NO COME BACK I SWEAR THAT'S THE LAST ONE

[fast dew]

But i do agree, cept he isnt my goat that bastard is the worst man alive and its awesome

Go my nihil

[whole lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1123308940650885291/1476142778206654494/caption.gif

[dark compass]

When you use vial rush, snakes start grabbing vials and throwing them around while also being fast enough to bite the ground in front of him and pull him forward for the momentum

[whole lava]

oh and you can only name your kaithe with level 8 riding instrinstics

[opaque zenith]

Twilight Sparkle is cleary the most " Magical" name

[radiant pier]

I will not name the Uma Hara Urara because she has earned her rest and she's frolicking in the grass fields in the great beyond

[fast dew]

Woa... what does his prime sneks look like or do they not exist

[strange turtle]

Haru crash landing in Duviri for the next update confirmed

[dark compass]

They do, they're just... Not really snakes anymore

I really dislike his prime design

[strange turtle]

Not even Haru as a Kaithe just straight up a photorealistic horse

[dark compass]

It's so bulky and too crowded with unnecessary detail

[fast dew]

I literally only know one uma and thats goldship for the shenanigans

[radiant pier]

hey, I've got a joke

[fast dew]

Good lord.

[whole lava]

whats the joke?

[fast dew]

Ur mum-

[dark compass]

Is this good or bad

[fast dew]

Sorry i had to

[radiant pier]

a thief, a guard, and a soldier walk into a bar

[whole lava]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-styanax-warframe-memes-gif-18292155111719734704

[opaque zenith]

This but haru?

[fast dew]

Bad. Very bad. I never say good lord with good intent

[radiant pier]

the night ends with varzia, maroo, and teshin in a three way

OH GOD THAT ONE STUPID IMAGE WAIT

[whole lava]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/925855860557746267/1479030619806633984/keith-surprised.gif

[fast dew]

And once again i leave to draw Loid drinking an obscene amount of 99% pure ethanol because normal alcohol isnt enough anymore.

[radiant pier]

where is that stupid image

[whole lava]

just give the man a bottle of jagermeister and tell him to down it in one go

[fast dew]

Worst part is i think hed be able to do it

[whole lava]

definitely

[strange turtle]

He would not drink that. Loid is man of refined and elegant taste.

It’d be a Heineken

[fast dew]

He's too tired. Too tired to care about something like alcohol poisoning

[fast dew]

Yeah but he's also a man of utility, so whatever gets him drunker faster

Reckon he'd eat before or would he just. Go in raw

[radiant pier]

I'm not continuing til I find that dang image

[opaque zenith]

If you wanna help, I know a lot of stupid images, but prob not what you want tho

[radiant pier]

the punchline being Teshin is the bottom in all of them

okay I continue quest SORRYYY

maybe I should delete that...I will

yep

[fast dew]

Good thing I got that downloaded so I can draw that later for myself

[radiant pier]

LMFAOOOO

[fast dew]

[radiant pier]

whenever you do, please send it, I'd like to make an extra edit of it

just all three of them

[fast dew]

[strange turtle]

Wtf is that

[opaque zenith]

The best thing to come out from the wf forum

[radiant pier]

I should... probably eat

[opaque zenith]

Good idea, Duviri is ~1h iirc

[radiant pier]

oH Y'ALL DIDN'T SAY ANYTHING?

fairs

[honest cove]

i have been debating myself for a minute

do i date amir or do i date quincy

amir because he's adorable but like, quincy because him and drifter both have war level trauma

[radiant pier]

no rice so imma wait

am I able to leave the duviri quest or is this another like

[opaque zenith]

It' your game so... Idk trow a coin

[radiant pier]

continuous til it's finished

[honest cove]

its why im askin here cuz my coin manged to land on its side

[opaque zenith]

Every "spiral end/start" is a savepoint

[opaque zenith]

Idk how to help, so... It will sound shity, but you can break up and later re-date with them, one time for each. And there's the reset nuke option

[radiant pier]

omke

[honest cove]

oh that sounds mean that you can even do that

[dark compass]

Yes don't do that it makes Wally laugh

[opaque zenith]

For the 3rd option you can check youtube and see them dating other Drifters to help chossing.
I'm... not very good at giving dating advice

[radiant pier]

I feel like

this is so weird to play after The New War

everything basically makes me go

"holy SHIT it's the TABLE"

IT'S THE DANG TABLE

[opaque zenith]

Technicaly the consensus is somewhere in sequence to the New War, since you can't do in paralel, but yeah the majority says after because of the teshin alive spoiler

[radiant pier]

were they introduced in the same update?

[opaque zenith]

nw first, duviri the next major update

But there was that whole "new player alt-start" thing

[pale cedar]

If you know the timeline it stops feeling weird

[opaque zenith]

Thing is, to know the timeline you must regard linear time the same as friction

[radiant pier]

rice is cooked!

[pale cedar]

That sounds like a threat to the entire multiverse

[ocean geyser]

You can leave

[glacial raven]

I seee I see, unfortunate but I understand why

[radiant pier]

finished

THAT WAS FUN AS HELL

I am never touching that game mode ever again

YOU CAN GET DECORATIONS?

[opaque zenith]

GJ! Now for reasons to go down the spiral again there's: Old weapons powerupps, new weapons, decorations, some weeks there's built formas or exilus, listen to the opera lady, discover stuff (like how many fingers there is in ones hand), arcanes (but tbf there's Loid for that), and Joy spiral can give some good screenshots

TLDR: There's stuff to go down the rablit hole. Or don't, it's your game

[fast dew]

Its a whole game within warframe and that's sick

[restive lantern]

This looks literally insane lmfao

[ocean geyser]

They put that thing on Javi for some reason
Had bro looking like a bug

[tall echo]

"for some reason"
the reason literally included in description:

[ocean geyser]

They chose a goofy ass hood though

[tall echo]

orokin style classic

[dark compass]

I like it

But it's operator exclusive

I hate how all the cool head pieces are operator exclusive

[strange turtle]

-# tbf the Drifter was canonically still wearing those raggedy-ass robes by the time they went to 1999

[fast dew]

Well I don't think they were really active before hand

[dark compass]

I just want more fashion is it bad to want more fashion

I'm going to cry are you happy are you happy that you made me cry

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-cat-shaking-cat-alien-cat-gif-17719290639671130907

[fast dew]

Whispers is seemingly played by operator, and there's literally no quest before then, and angels of zariman can be done as operator too iirc

[fast dew]

Going through the horrors™

[normal mountain]

It could be either for Whispers
The Big Fish makes a remark about "which one are you?"

[fast dew]

Nah, Loid refers to us as Operator

Fibonacci might just ask that cus he doesn't know the difference, but that there is two versions

[normal mountain]

Ordis also refers to Drifter as "Operator" in NW
I wouldn't necessarily take that to mean anything

[fast dew]

Loid (Original): "This stillness... Tenno... No. Operator"

[fast dew]

Because ordis is a "machine" that cannot tell the difference

Drifter is also referred to as drifter by Loid

[normal mountain]

If he still says that when playing as Drifter during the quest, then I'll concede the point

[fast dew]

The email for the hex quest also makes it seem like the operator experienced it, drifter just. Being there as a passive watcher through the weird. Void place they inhabit

[fast dew]

That. Doesn't really count for much? Wally also refuses to ever use the drifter form

If loid is saying operator, high chance its operator

[normal mountain]

If Loid has never met Drifter before, and we never leave the frame, I'm inclined to disregard the line

[fast dew]

Ehh

We leave the frame. That's why Loid calls us operator

And loid might have not met Drifter directly but he would be aware of them

Given Albrecht's time in duviri and all

[normal mountain]

Assuming he knew

[fast dew]

He absolutely would

[pale cedar]

Albrecht also knows both exist

[fast dew]

Literally the only thing he didnt know was the triad 😭

Also, again, the email suggests it was operator

“1999

Hey. I think you know where you need to go. I will stay here, I will watch her, them, everyone. I'll be waiting for you to get answers and come back to us. Whatever happens in that year, whatever makes it so important, figure it out.

Okay, I guess you should really get going.

Please find him.

• Operator

P.S i don't know how to prove it, but it really is me, not... it. Remember our meal on the Zariman?”

"I think you know where you need to go"

Reads as "yeah you saw that too right" I feel

[normal mountain]

Could
Could also be read as "I saw that too, go do what needs doing"

[fast dew]

The operator reaches out, and says that this is what you need to do

Not the drifter saying I need to do this

[normal mountain]

No

[fast dew]

Yes.

Thats. Literally is what that email is

[normal mountain]

Operator is saying "I saw that too"

[pale cedar]

Drifter knew they had to do it tbh it was stated a quest prior

[fast dew]

Yeah. And is saying that you need to go do it??

[normal mountain]

That's my point
It could be either way

[fast dew]

I dont think it is

[normal mountain]

Fine
Agree to disagree
Moving on

[fast dew]

Loid would know of drifter, much like Albrecht does

Albrecht never met Operator, but he knows of Operator

[normal mountain]

moving on

[fast dew]

Anyways.

Drifter isnt really seen as actually interacting between the new war and the hex, so them wearing the clothes they do isnt shocking

Though, the canonicity of the other clothes are debatable already

[pale cedar]

Quincy still owes me the clothes he mentioned

[fast dew]

The canon status of a lot of cosmetics are questionable

Generally the tennogen ones wouldnt be

[fast dew]

Just steal some from Albrecht's store

[normal mountain]

The Sentient skins are basically a "What If..."

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[normal mountain]

One I wish was explored further, honestly

I like the idea of Sentient-designed warframes

[fast dew]

I like the limbo deluxe skin. I think thats supposed to be sentient based

[pale cedar]

Chroma has a pelt that’s apparently Sentient related

[fast dew]

Its thrown secondary skin is so cool....

Yeah chorma moment

[dark compass]

it doesnt follow the naming conventions nor energy color, design also doesnt really scream sentient to me

i think its supposed to be some weird own thing

[fast dew]

The line in-between perhaps

[dark compass]

of course

its limbo

a design limbo

[fast dew]

The. The thrown secondary though is. I think that has a sentient face

I gotta go check but im like. 87% sure

[glacial raven]

I kind of just assumed the vast majority weren't canon whatsoever

[fast dew]

Weird ass skin with a weird looking face

[fast dew]

A big amount aren't canon, but some are and some arent specified

[glacial raven]

Yeah thats fair honestly

[midnight ice]

we cannot canonically look so incredibly sick and cool and awesome with the Repala syandana on

smfh

[fast dew]

Like the uh. Tennogen skins absolutely aren't canon, which are the majority of the drifter's/operator's clothing sets

[glacial raven]

Drifter just doesn't have swag

That's probably why they suck so much

[midnight ice]

not escaping the hobo allegations

what with the camp and the fit

[fast dew]

Honestly the only canon sets are like. The tauron academy suit, the zariman suit and drifter's hobo fit

[midnight ice]

oh god we're hopeless

[fast dew]

Theres probably a few more im forgetting to mention but

Oh there's wisp prime's operator suit

I use that one cus it looks pretty

[lilac aspen]

Oh how I wish we could watch Chroma body a Giga sentient dragon to later turn it into a pelt

[dire mountain]

Probably the manduka and koppra

[ocean plinth]

howdy gamers i was wondering, what archon shards are recommended for harrow? i was thinking of slotting a crimson shard then choosing either ability strength/duration

wrong channel! sorry

[lilac aspen]

Strength/Duration, one yellow for speed casting

[slender needle]

guys give me a Warframe theme pls

[jaunty oasis]

plumber

[sharp breach]

Why is tyl regors mask a upside down regular grineer mask?

≠

[restive river]

He quirky

[viscid blade]

So if jade had a baby would it be a hybrid warframe tenno? Or would we think it would need a somatic link and have its own consciousness before succumbing to transferance?

[vast willow]

Jade did have a baby.

Have you finished the Jade quest?

[silk atlas]

1. We have no clue what Sirius/Orion has going on anyway

2. He's screwed off with his father anyway so we're not going to be Transferring into him like he's just some tool.

[restive river]

It wouldn’t be a tenno, the tenno aren’t the frames nor was the child on the Zariman

Tenno
Zariman 10-0
Zariman Tenno
That kid is thousands of years late to be a Tenno in the same way we are lol

[wooden cave]

FINALLY unlocked 1999

I can finally play peak

[restive river]

You’ve been playing peak
Welcome to peak 2

[wooden cave]

srue
well
I only got a glimpse of 1999
doing the quest where you're introduced to it
-# god why is defending this shit so difficult

[fast dew]

hm? defending what?

[wooden cave]

the murmur thingy

quest where you unlock the grimoire
-# SHADOW WIZARD MONEY GANG-

[fast dew]

oh, whispers. the uh. ear n eye part

[wooden cave]

what
no

o

wait yea
I might be stupid

[fast dew]

dw most folk dont realise theyre literal eye n ears

[wooden cave]

these mfs tough as hell tho
even my tricked out gear can barely even scratch them
the necramechs that is
they were so easy in the first part of this

[fast dew]

oh, question.

what do you think loid's and albrect's relationship is?
-# seeing if you percived it correctly because the amount of times that its just flat out wrong-

[fast dew]

yeah, they get like that. i always had more issues w the murmur tbh [unless you mean the actual necramechs n not the little fellas. voidrig/bonewidow is. so annoying]

[wooden cave]

I mean like just those supposedly necramech enemies
not the one like the one the player gets to control sometimes

[fast dew]

the small fellas

[wooden cave]

toxic yaoi

I see it

[fast dew]

good, because people see them as father and son too often

[wooden cave]

eugh

[fast dew]

im not joking its a legit issue hold on

heres one

[wooden cave]

wait
if I abort the mission (not trying to do that murmur defense bs for now) does it completely reset the quest ?

or
better way to say it
do I lose the rewards I got before this point

[fast dew]

itll reset that specific "mission"

[wooden cave]

mm
good 2 know

also unrelated technically but the grimoire is such a unique weapon
literally just sorcerer

[fast dew]

mm. book

[wooden cave]

"I don't care HOW big the room is, I CAST VOLTAIC ORB"
presses M3

[fast dew]

book probably full of sad tortured love poetry

[restive river]

It’s a great utility weapon!

[wooden cave]

anyways time to go replay some earth missions and glass grineer settlements with my spells

[fast dew]

vitrica mentioned

wait. no thats gara

[restive river]

I wanna say you can get the tome mods from the defense mission in the labs but def look into those, they’re so cool lol

[fast dew]

god dammit

[restive river]

Both glass!

[fast dew]

one was made to piss off the owner of the vitrica lol

[restive river]

Yup lol

[fast dew]

That was unfortunately really funny, coming from ballas 💔

[humble sierra]

Yeah they're C-rotation in Mirror Defense

I don't think there's any other way?

besides the bundle of course

[fast dew]

You know I've done mirror defense so often, but I've never actually got any tome mods

[restive river]

I did it a good bit for mandonel lol

[fast dew]

I think im just missing the barrel for mandonel

I need to play more disruption, but im helping my mate grind Albrecht's notes and its fastest to do that on the extermination node

[glass sluice]

honestly, the bundle is very much worth getting if you are going to trade for them mods from people.
100 for the full set is actually good value. same with the Tenno Kai mods.

[restive river]

The parazon bundle is on sale rn

But that doesn’t have lore relevance

[glass sluice]

Parazon one is less worth it, but on sale I might snag it for that one mod that just won't drop from spies.

100% worthless of course, there's only 3-4 important mods that aren't the 2 that never come off.

@restive river do you happen to know what the base price of the bundle was, pre sale?

[restive river]

It says but I can check yeah

[glass sluice]

Just checking if it's a discount based on owned mods.

[restive river]

75 > 60
Idk if thats accurate or not entirely cause idk if its different due to proration

[glass sluice]

oh yeah thats the case for me too, so no discount for owned bits

ah screw it, 20p for the 3 i need is decent.

[restive river]

There likely would be if you didn’t own one of them but
It may not take into account things like mods that you can buy multiples of

But it does take into account frames for example so idk lol

For instance you can get the nemesis skin for nyx for cheaper just by owning nyx

[glass sluice]

oh yeah that stuff im aware of, i was just wondering if this mod bundle was cheaper because i owned some of them.

cheers!

[radiant pier]

@restive river another duck!

[restive river]

:O
another duck!

[fast dew]

The ducks perhaps

[radiant pier]

is the power ranger outfit canon

do you think there's a Tenno out there that's just the biggest fan of kamen rider

[fast dew]

Unlikely, but id like to think so

[restive river]

Which one?

Cause if its the tennogen ones then no, those aren’t canon

[fast dew]

The one where we came to the conclusion liger cant draw kids

[restive river]

Also Warframe would have some other version like
Kamen
Surfer or something LOL

[radiant pier]

"HENSHIN"

[restive river]

Ah, harrier
Yeah I don’t think anything specifically says but I may be wrong

[fast dew]

Mesa prime's and Limbo prime's hats are so similar

[restive river]

You’d need to check all the harrier descriptions to see

[humble sierra]

Brief list of canon outfits:

Operator/Drifters:

• Default Zariman suit
• Caliban prime/ Tauron Academy (only for the Operator)
• Drifter's default outfit
• 1999 cosmetics (Quincy mentions making sure Drifter is appropriately dressed)

Skins

• Yareli Pandea (Hunhow made it when restoring a defeated Yareli)
• Sevagoth & Hydroid Deluxe: they are rivals, if the skins are not canon, they are at least canon to each other

Can't think of any others with actual lore off the top of my head

[fast dew]

Mm, a chunk of 1999 cosmetics are tennogen are they not?

[restive river]

What do we think for 1999 tennogen?

[humble sierra]

Don't see why not tbh

[radiant pier]

Mesa:

[humble sierra]

Though some of the 1999 tennogen is very Entrati themed which I don't think would make sense

[restive river]

The issue with saying those are canon is then where exactly do we draw the line for other stuff

[fast dew]

Treating any tennogen to be canon would be. Weird imo

[restive river]

He did own a clothing shop

[fast dew]

The entrati clothes can be explained by that yeah waht ducky said

[humble sierra]

Fair point actually

[restive river]

I’d say if we had to say they’re canon all the 1999 ones are expect for maybe the visor and entrati eye patch

[radiant pier]

so quick question

[fast dew]

I can't even say Albrecht wouldn't do that

[restive river]

Shoot

[radiant pier]

the duviri thing

[fast dew]

Because we have the shirt Drillbit wears
-# I think its drillbit

[restive river]

The visor is too futuristic and the eyepatch has the same issue

[tall echo]

Maybe that's why mesa prime is the only prime with an alt helmet

[restive river]

They’re 1999 in vibes alone lol

[fast dew]

I was meaning putting his stuff on clothes but true

[radiant pier]

is Dominatrix just...fine and dandy? was that an actual reset

[restive river]

What about the Duviri thing?

[radiant pier]

just finished the quest last night

[restive river]

Don’t call Doninus that he is a child 😭

[fast dew]

It was a reset
-# ducky they mean dominus

[tall echo]

HAHAHAAA

[radiant pier]

Dominus Thrax

[fast dew]

And hes. Fine but I dont think he's okay

[restive river]

Thrax is fine

[fast dew]

Physically fine, but not mentally okay

[restive river]

He has issues since he can never really grow at all

[fast dew]

His cries in the end really makes me. Abnormal

[restive river]

But he’s like
Alive lol

[tall echo]

Mentally as okay as he was written to be

[fast dew]

Id say it could've deteriorated

[humble sierra]

Yeah basically Drifter realized "Hey I made this, I'm allowed to rule, I am in control"
But then realized "Hey Thrax is alive too so it would be cruel to just take everything from him"
So then Thrax is given the throne again in exchange for Teshin to come back

[tall echo]

The characters are generally unable to change in major ways

[fast dew]

All it is, is that he must be emotionally unstable, but I don't think that excludes him getting worse

[restive river]

It’s more so Drifter never wanted to rule

[radiant pier]

right right

[restive river]

Drifter lets them have it after resetting the day purely to save Teshin

[tall echo]

That's a 180° turn

[restive river]

Then Drifter has the choice to stay for a bit or just dip lol

[fast dew]

Thrax is just the result of a child being around emotionally immature adults i feel

[radiant pier]

game mechanics talk now, when I choose the drifter, where is my operator? and what about vice versa

[tall echo]

Void pockwt

[fast dew]

Lil void pocket

[radiant pier]

cuz I wanna choose the drifter cuz it's literally just....me but taller, but I do not like the idea of my Operator being in the zariman incident loop for the entire time

[fast dew]

Think like. Two panes of glass. Drifter on one, operator is on the other

But they are separated

[tall echo]

Well, no. He was written that way, he's not the result of anything

[radiant pier]

what does that mean

[fast dew]

Well, yes. His writing is what that js. He was written because of that

[radiant pier]

are they happy atleast?

[fast dew]

Yeah lol

[radiant pier]

the operator has been through a lot

[fast dew]

Dw they aint hanging in the zariman if you do 1999

They'll be in the sanctum with Loid

[radiant pier]

okay I'll keep the operator for now then

[tall echo]

I mean literal writing. Like. The book kind. He's a book character.

[radiant pier]

until I finish the 1999 stuff

actually I'll finish all the quests first before that

[fast dew]

Yeah and Euleria wrote him to be from that 😭 thats what i think the interpretation is

Thats why he'd be emotionally stunted in the way he is

[tall echo]

I doubt that there's any backstory behind it all

[fast dew]

Ehh no

Thats. Just not true. The tales of Duviri have a lot of backstory behind its writing

[tall echo]

Aside from mr bombastic being why the sorrow lady is sad

[tall echo]

Not counting it being based on stories from albrecht?

[fast dew]

Counting on how its Mother's attempt to go against wally?

[tall echo]

That doesn't

[fast dew]

And. That is also apart of the story behind its creation.

[tall echo]

Ok I think you're misreading what I'm saying

[fast dew]

Im trying to say mother probably intended Thrax to be a result of immature adults, whether thats a dig at her own father or not

Like. A lot of books are

[tall echo]

According to iirc drifter thrax was always like that and the courtiers just embody his moods

Could be wrong but I remember that in a chat somewhere

[restive river]

I mean that does make sense lol

[radiant pier]

I seeee

what does the other one feel tho

[restive river]

Probably weightless

[radiant pier]

I just wanna know if it's a pokeball thing or like a Sukuna thing

[restive river]

Just vibing, watching the other

[radiant pier]

no like experience/emotion

ohokok, thanks for explaining

[restive river]

Thing is though when Drifter goes to 1999 the Operator does not go into a void pocket

[radiant pier]

so what's that imply

[restive river]

They watch

[radiant pier]

oh it's a Sukuna thing

I can live with that

the operator watching the drifter flirt with everyone

[restive river]

Well since what causes the other to go into the pocket is the fact that the universe doesn’t like them existing at the same point in spacetime that means if you displace one radically in spacetime then no void pocket is required

[restive river]

Nope!
They’re still in the Origin System!

[fast dew]

dw as long as youre in 1999, operator wont know anything

[radiant pier]

oh right

[restive river]

Once Drifter goes to the past the slot in spacetime opens up for Operator

[radiant pier]

that's good

[fast dew]

too busy going through the horrors ™

[restive river]

The kid does not know what the drifter is up to

Which uh. Is definitely a good thing

This would also apply to Drifter going to xx99/1899 to smooch the Triad fyi since you have to go through the time portal as Drifter to talk to them

[fast dew]

mm, still can do kimchats as operator. wish they could just. restrict that like the triad

[restive river]

Not really though, while they’re equipped they clearly aren’t the one talking lol

This does mean Operator can see Drifter text their friends if Drifter uses the pom-2 in the Orbiter

[radiant pier]

wish they had the ability to chat with each other

[restive river]

Same!

[radiant pier]

just updating their counterparts about The Horrors™

[restive river]

Operator sends Drifter a message prior to the Hex but
And ofc we have Lotus Eaters

[radiant pier]

no idea what that is no spoiling!

[restive river]

They def talk off screen, Drifter def got filled in on stuff post new war

[radiant pier]

has anyone actually finished the k-drive stuff

[restive river]

Yup

Do you mean all of the stuff with the vent kids or the waverider quest

[fast dew]

ik but still, you could argue the same with the triad. its clear youre supposed to be drifter, but they still restricted it. they restrict seeing them physically but they dont really seem to care w the kims 😭

[radiant pier]

quick! what's the cheapest rare prime part I can get off of the market! I don't think I'll have time to grind so I'll just buy that stuff for 3 plat each!

[restive river]

Yeah but it’s also very obviously not the kid on the computer
Unless Drifter is in the pocket and telling the Operator what to type LOL

[restive river]

Which stuff?

[radiant pier]

wait wrong chat for that

[restive river]

Cause the waverider quest isn’t that bad
The ventkids meanwhile are uh. A literal content island

[radiant pier]

waverider

[restive river]

Yeah no just play the quest, it’s not as bad as it used to be
Trust me

If you want Yareli herself though I’d recommend just going after the prime

[fast dew]

awh did they nerf it or smthn?

[restive river]

Wdym?

[radiant pier]

almost mr12

and I have a new batch of a couple dozen weapons to max mastery in the coming days

[restive river]

Good timing with the affinity booster on for the weekend
Keep in kind that stacks too

[radiant pier]

what stacks

[restive river]

Affinity boosts
Event affinity boost + purchasable affinity boost + mastery blessing affinity boost
You’ll level up quick even with two of those

[ocean geyser]

just sit in ESO for one zone and you'll have something rank near instantly

[radiant pier]

eso?

oh nvm

[sharp breach]

Does the lotus hate the drifter?
The line from her "oh its you" seems so uncaring

[fast dew]

she never took care of drifter like she did the operator tbf

[fast dew]

like did they make waverider easier now?

[ocean geyser]

she's probably just
neutral about them?

[restive river]

It’s easier compared to when it released

[lilac aspen]

So and so
They’re not her kids (Operators), but she knows they’re important for everything

So she’s not attached as a parent-child relationship

[sharp breach]

Does cephalon suda suck like as a personality? Just learned she named her syndicate after herself. So lame and self centered literally just named it after herself im so disappointed

[fast dew]

what? no? she had some form of brain disease, high chance she named it that to remember her own name

[sharp breach]

Whats her story again. Idk if we learned anything about her been a while since saw her in questline for Octavia I think thats what it was

[fast dew]

tldr she was an archimedian with some form of neurological brain disease, think like dementia who got glassed to preserve her knowledge. i cant remember if she did it willingly or not

[restive river]

Her syndicate is just her what do you want from her 😭

She’s also basically a dementia patient

[sharp breach]

I want her to stop sending eximus drones after me lol

Especially when I was farming spy missions

[restive river]

Then be nice to her lol

[fast dew]

then rank up her syndicate 😭

[restive river]

Tbh her sending those is more a gameplay thing than anything else

Fyi you can have up to 4 syndicates at a time if you do it right

[fast dew]

you can get all of them to r5 if you do it correctly

[restive river]

I think you can only get 4 of then to rank 5

[sharp breach]

I know i just wanted to hear somthing bad about her since all I hear about is by morality all syndicates in some way so idk

[restive river]

Two of them will always hate you unless you really balance it out ig which
You can’t do forever

[restive river]

Here’s something bad
She was married to Simaris!

[fast dew]

if you really wanna not like her, shes... i think pragmatic? and thats not the best

[sharp breach]

Hang on so down the list
New lokia- nazi master race sorta ideals
Steel meridian- force other grineer to fight wars they say to do
What is bad about the others?

[fast dew]

red veil is just straight up a cult

[restive lantern]

The steel meridian does that? I always assumed it was full of grineer who defected like the main girl. I genuinely didn't know this

[sharp breach]

Well im going by gameplay assumptions. In the defection missions you help grineer who cant breath air of the place you rescue them from and it seemed like if they werent joining they were just gonna be left there to suffocate if not for the tenno
Edit
OH YA KNOW WHAT IVE GOT IT BACKWARDS

[fast dew]

ehhh

no. defection is a literal genetic defect

[ashen pulsar]

no

but it has nothing to do with SM

you save kavor defectors

pacifist grineer that left SM

[fast dew]

hm? isnt that the whole. loyalty gene deal? keeping them loyal to the queens? [orokin]

[ashen pulsar]

defection the game mode

[fast dew]

i mean the term defection 😭

[ashen pulsar]

yeah but they were referring to the game mode

[sharp breach]

Darn it I forget the red veil show up they not allied with steel meridian too

[ashen pulsar]

yeah the SM and kavor grineer have a genetic mutation

[sharp breach]

Red veil isn't just cult they want to genocide all races to reduce chaos from looking up stuff

[ashen pulsar]

defection is about saving a different grineer faction from SM tho

[restive lantern]

According to the wiki, steel meridian makes it so they have the gene to disobey the queen but they do not have to join the SM

[fast dew]

they worship Rell?

[ashen pulsar]

no cost too great, no blood too precious

[fast dew]

Thats. thats a cult

[sharp breach]

Yeah but its like there's Catholics then there's the kkk

[ashen pulsar]

steel meridian doessnt make it so they have the gene
defectors with the gene join steel meridian, or dont

[restive lantern]

Correct, sorry I misread the wiki

[ashen pulsar]

perrin suda hexis meridian are all pretty decent

[fast dew]

age old question. whats the difference between a cult and a religion?

[glass sluice]

PR

[sharp breach]

I see it as indoctrination without morals

[pallid spoke]

Meanwhile Suda:
"You are a waste and must be erased."

[ashen pulsar]

perrin believes in diplomacy and philanthropy
suda believes in preservation of knowledge and hates destruction, even if she doesn't actually care about life
arbiters are trying to discipline and bring out potential of tenno
we mentioned meridian

[sharp breach]

Good cult could be like respect people and dont expect it back but hope for better tomorrow

Or mid way cult could be like do Good or suffer

Or bad cult
Somthing like kill the weak and only strong live morals are for the weak

[pallid spoke]

That is one of my favorite lines in the game because of how out of left field it is for what you'd think of Suda at first glance.

[fast dew]

Well, cults have morals. Just really shitty ones most of the time

[ashen pulsar]

honestly pretty surprising that veil likes meridian

ig veil is still of the opinion that people can change

[sharp breach]

Well they are just neutral

[ashen pulsar]

if they dont change, kill em

[ashen pulsar]

no

they're partnered

[pallid spoke]

They are very explicitly stated to be allies.

[fast dew]

Pragmatism

[pallid spoke]

Both in standing gain, and Lotus dialogue in Chains of Harrow.

[fast dew]

Mm. Is it pragmatism or is it. What's the word

Indifference?

No not like that

[restive river]

It’s so out of character for her ngl lol

[ashen pulsar]

true
think of all that knowledge

[fast dew]

I think its that she genuinely believes that we hold nothing of worth

We are, to her, the most literal definition of useless

[restive lantern]

To be honest reading about the red veil, they are cult like and can be violent and cruel in the name of liberation and their goals but that's about it. I'm not sure if they want to "genocide all races?" I just at least can't find something about that on the wiki

[restive river]

They literally want to burn everything

It’s more so a massive burning cleanse iirc

[sharp breach]

I think i was and still am confused with my lineup of 3 who I support.
I support PS which helps NL and in the middle is RV

[ashen pulsar]

They are honour-bound to heal the system through a great and violent purge

red veil believes corruption should be PURGED

[sharp breach]

What a crazy but awesome sounding quote

[restive lantern]

They want to purge the corruption from the origin system, I'm not seeing how purge corruption = genocide of all races 😭

[fast dew]

What do you think the nazis used to justify their murder of Jewish people?

"Corruption"

[sharp breach]

Yeah the grineer and corpus aren't big signs of "harmony" but doesnt mean genocide is best solution

I kinda gotta shove these thoughts to the side when im after the loot the syndicates offer tho

[ashen pulsar]

it isnt a genocide of all races
the goal isnt to kill everything
the goal is to destroy whatever they deem evil or corrupt, no doubt including all non-defecting grineer and all corpus and infested

they think "I don't like that. It deserves to die"

[sharp breach]

Oh yeah that reminds me why do they send infested to attack us?

[ashen pulsar]

idk

[fast dew]

Im. Unsure as to how they do that

[restive river]

Why does new loka send infested when they hate the infestation?
Gameplay my friend
Gameplay

[fast dew]

... airdropping hella infestation

[restive river]

Unfortunately not everything can be explained by lore, as much as DE tries to lol

[ashen pulsar]

as well as specters
they give us charger specters

[sharp breach]

New loka and red viel both send eximus infested and idk if that fits purity or non chaos they after

[ashen pulsar]

perhaps it's a result of experiments

red veil keeps a pet charger in their room iirc

[restive river]

Yeah the fact they give us those specters
Specters themselves have lore tho

We could see some syndicate updates this year, more likely probably just some like
Actual relevance lol

Arbiters is getting some attention with Shadowgrapher so I’m curious what other syndicates will be touched on

[sharp breach]

The follie update is said to have arbiter lore

[restive river]

It’s more so the vendor is an arbiter

[ashen pulsar]

yeah the specters arent real
good chance veil and loka's platoons are also specters then

[restive river]

I kinda hope we maybe see a Zariman update with Suda meeting Yonta again

[ashen pulsar]

specter lore is granum stuff

[sharp breach]

They are connected?

[ashen pulsar]

suda was an archimedean

[restive river]

Yonta mentions Suda and they’re both archimedeans so

Let my smart girls meetup

[sharp breach]

They cant even hug

[restive river]

One is glass and the other is a void ghost

The glass and the ghost
A love story….

[sharp breach]

Never heard all the voice lines from all the zaraman crew tbh

[fast dew]

YURI

YURI HELL YEAH