lore-discussion

[dire mountain]

Kinda but no

[idle fog]

would the drifter be able to time travel to any time or just 1999

[opaque zenith]

Technically to any place/time with a Helminth, if it has a Helminth there already

[glass sluice]

Or a big yellow glowy door like in the Sanctum, which means that Albrecht is just a weirdo who likes the helminth method.

[midnight ice]

"hm, we have the option to create a portal to any point in time to transport our Protagonist where they are most needed... no, i'll simply make the big gross mouth spit them out slowly and all grosslike"

[glass sluice]

I guess DE didn't want to give the vor e folks any ammo, because I don't recall actually seeing it happen.

[fast dew]

Oh, oh no, its Loid who does the helminth thing, Albrecht did it to Roathe, but its Loid who does it currently

[glass sluice]

I can see Loid having a secret devi antart account

[fast dew]

BAHAH

Oh no, his poor old man heart couldn't take it

[restive lantern]

Albert Affirmations when I get too angy

[radiant pier]

Albrecht and Loid

this is totally old man yaoi isn't it

[restive lantern]

Yes unfortunately, loid deserves better

[tall echo]

Albrecht isn't a twink

[radiant pier]

I'd travel back in time just so the eldritch entity that follows me won't get it's hands on you but you're not nerdy enough to understand

[glass sluice]

He's either an otter or a bear, going by my limited knowledge of the types

[tall echo]

If you disagree at least try to give a solid counter argument

[restive lantern]

I am not going to argue with you, no lol

[radiant pier]

open your eyes, there are twinks everywhere

[glass sluice]

twinks are skinny and hairless, albrecht is a lot of things, but he is not skinny

[tall echo]

So you realize you're wrong but decide to evade

[radiant pier]

during the beginning of that quick little 1999 sequence, it was really cool seeing Exca, all Exca variants have so much aura....

[restive lantern]

Especially something as ridiculously silly as if albert is a twink, why do y'all wanna argue about everything 😭

[radiant pier]

but I won't lie, it was really hard to pay attention because my mind was just "oh god this is totally my friend's type oh no"

[tall echo]

You're the only one getting upset at all, yk

[restive lantern]

Sure lol

[radiant pier]

why are you talking to a Cephalon like they aren't all ridiculously sarcastic

[fast dew]

Which. Might I add, Loid isnt either

[tall echo]

And it can't be that hard to spell albrecht...

[fast dew]

Mhm. Gay as shit.

[radiant pier]

a transcended twink

[restive lantern]

I call him Albert derogatorily

[radiant pier]

a twinkle

[glass sluice]

the term twink is used too frequently these days

[radiant pier]

a great uncle twink

[fast dew]

So gay in fact, Loid deadass became a parental figure to Albrecht's daughter

[radiant pier]

A GRINCLE

[fast dew]

Crinkle....

[tall echo]

Wrinkletwink

[fast dew]

Its annoying tbh lol

[radiant pier]

grunkle?

[fast dew]

Heh. Wrinkletwink

[radiant pier]

a wrinkletwink holy crap I'm addition that to my vocabulary

[glass sluice]

I searched the word origin and found that Alby is grammatically correct, so the lore nerds can't complain XD

[radiant pier]

SHIT

[fast dew]

I made that one, I will take this to the grave

[radiant pier]

THAT ACTUALLY SCARED ME

[restive lantern]

They can complain all they want lol

[tall echo]

EXCUSE YOU?

[fast dew]

YEAH DONT FIGHT ME ON IT SCRAP

[tall echo]

I made that!

[fast dew]

I GOT DATES MF

[glass sluice]

If they do, I'll bring up that it can also be Oberon again, no one likes that implication lol

[tall echo]

You took it from me!

[radiant pier]

you will be given full credits

okay you can share the credit

Wrinkletwink
@tall echo
@fast dew

[fast dew]

Dw me n scrap are just playing around

[radiant pier]

𝓱𝓸𝓮

[fast dew]

BAHSA

Sorry that's always funny to me

[tall echo]

I ain't playin

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-excalibur-cupcake-frosting-gif-13509643184326536263

[restive lantern]

It's a bit pathetic and interesting to see the amount of silly things ppl will argue about, it was just a silly gif but quite literally anything is an opening for an argument for these ppl lmfao
My actual opinion is that he's a twunk but I didn't have a silly gif that said that- and I guess I had way too much faith in lore chat to be normal lmfao

[fast dew]

Oh my god shut up

[restive lantern]

Thomas - I literally wasn't talking to you

[radiant pier]

wrinkletwink

[restive lantern]

Keep the blocked messages closed buddy if you don't wanna see

[fast dew]

Idc just shut up

[restive lantern]

Literally no lol

[tall echo]

No one was arguing about that

[fast dew]

You got so upset over someone saying Albrecht isn't a twink you went on a lil rant. At least my rants make sense most of the time. Jesus christ you just cannot accept defeat.

[radiant pier]

I guess even the Warframe discord can't escape from the fact it's still discord

[restive lantern]

Unfortunately lol

[radiant pier]

what

I never expected human Loid would be this

I wonder what Albrecht was when he was way younger

[tall echo]

Blue

Da ba dee da ba da

[radiant pier]

is that a goat...

[fast dew]

Albrecht was blue yes

[glass sluice]

He notably refused the blue and long arm.

[tall echo]

Bruh

[fast dew]

He was still blue when he was younger than he is now

[tall echo]

Half-right

[glass sluice]

It's literally a line in an Aoi KIM convo.

[restive lantern]

Literally just don't interact with me, it's that simple. Keep the blocked messages closed and get over it. You never make sense and are rude to everyone, do not make this about you. You don't control the chats as desperately as you want. I'm not gonna stay talking bc you can't handle communication

[restive lantern]

He was blue tho

[tall echo]

Albrecht refused it later after the void incident

[fast dew]

Once again, im posting Albrecht's blue form

[radiant pier]

this fish is like....a Villager

[restive lantern]

There's a pic of it

[glass sluice]

I mean that's cool and all, but all that means is that there's a mistake in the lore somewhere.

[tall echo]

No

[fast dew]

Yeah, not unsurprisingly so

[glass sluice]

shocking for WF, I know

[fast dew]

We had nihil as a executor a few months ago lol

[restive lantern]

I wouldn't be surprised

[fast dew]

The KIMs have been all over the place for lore sometimes

[lean garden]

You think theres a mistake because he was once blue?

[fast dew]

But because that Aoi chat isnt specific enough i feel

[glass sluice]

@lean garden Don't take it personally, WF is full of little innacuracies.

[fast dew]

Nihil my ugly ass man why must you be demoted

[glass sluice]

A thing you like having a mistake does not mean it's a personal fault for you.

[lean garden]

Why would I take it personally, Im literally asking you if that's what youre getting at

[tall echo]

What is happening today.

[glass sluice]

I'm not "getting at" anything, I made a very clear statement.

This place is way too reddit sometimes.

[lean garden]

Dude

So the mistake here is that he was blue once, this is a mistake because?

[restive lantern]

Extremely

[glass sluice]

Every time I'm here, I'm reminded why I avoided talking lore for the last 12 years.

[tall echo]

Did you two forget to take your anger meds or smth

[restive lantern]

It sucks tho because the lore is so interesting to talk about 😭😭😭💔

[glass sluice]

Agreed, but I can just keep picking my drop in points and get better at knowing when to not bother.

[tall echo]

Getting so upset over strawmen is impressive

[lean garden]

I still am not sure why him being blue is a mistake

[glass sluice]

@tall echo Go drink some water.

[tall echo]

???

[restive lantern]

No one is upset we are actively both trying to avoid arguing

[glass sluice]

Honestly don't bother pixel, they're just trying to get a reaction.

[fast dew]

Gonna be real brother, you haven't blocked me yourself. Before you say shit about not wanting to see me, block me first, mkay?

Shit goes both ways.

[restive lantern]

Almost as if I'm not as personally upset enough to do that lol like I literally started the conversation and you told me to shut up. I didn't say any about seeing your messages.

You can, unfortunately, talk as much as you want

But if you want me to shut up you can instead just keep the blocked messages closed and go about your day. The fact you're opening every single one to be mad at is so unhealthy and unhinged. Just move on.

[restive lantern]

I need to be better about this, ty riven 💗/gen

[fast dew]

Anyways, ||do yall remember if its stated if Roathe knew what the injection would do?|| bcs I think he would but I can't remember if it was said anywhere but the VM about it

It makes sense that he would

Given the whole.. uriel army and all

[lean garden]

I am genuinely asking why him being blue is a mistake

[radiant pier]

I thought this was gonna be a fight

THIS IS SO DOOMED YAOI I DON'T EVEN READ THAT STUFF

[restive lantern]

It is v much doomed yaoi unfortunately lol

[fast dew]

Me when Albrecht n Loid

Ao3 was down today and that was annoying

I didnt get to do my daily check

[radiant pier]

is that why you were cranky

[fast dew]

Oh no I just dont like pixel

[lean garden]

Pixel why did you face palm it

[fast dew]

Im rather happy rn

I got paid so

[radiant pier]

OH HERE IT COMES

[fast dew]

Joyus day

[radiant pier]

what were those last words

[fast dew]

Martilla coded

[restive lantern]

I'm too vocal about disliking his blorbo

[radiant pier]

crap I gotta choose

[fast dew]

I am joyus. Happy day the light of the sun shines down

[radiant pier]

I'm sorry but can anyone explain this second option? "that this was no way to remember me"

I'm not sure I get what he means

[lean garden]

what are we talking about here?

[restive lantern]

Bc I don't think Riven wants to engage in debates/arguments rn so why not leave them be

[fast dew]

"Don't let my last sight of your face be marred with tears" or smthn

[lean garden]

Albrecht's words to loid?

[fast dew]

Mhm

[radiant pier]

Whisper in the walls quest, Albrecht's- yes

[fast dew]

God ive replayed whispers enough to remember this

[lean garden]

in essence, "rip your last memory of me isnt all too nice"

[fast dew]

No, its dont allow my last memory of you be sad

[strange turtle]

As someone whose known them for a while, they’re really not

[radiant pier]

I get the others but the second one I kinda need that explained

[fast dew]

Which is sad as shit

[radiant pier]

hm....

[fast dew]

Oh, by the way

Did you hear that song playing, while the vessels did their thing?

[radiant pier]

HE WASN'T WORTHY, HE WASN'T WORTHY I'LL GO WITH THAT IT FEELS MORE DOOMED

[radiant pier]

yes.

[fast dew]

There's a translation for it.

Behold my heart, fill my heart fiercely.

Eternal union, eternal union, I am your counterpart.

Behold my heart

Fill my heart fiercely

[lean garden]

doomed yaoi, thats the final mystery mouskatool to defeat wally, albrecht actually dying

[fast dew]

GOD. DANNIT.

[restive lantern]

I dislike Albert a lot and think Loid deserves better but this did make me rather emotional

He look so sad 😭

[fast dew]

And. And And And. Theres two voices, but by the second time it goes over, there's only one

The song is a love confession im gonna punch someone

[radiant pier]

he 100% said "I love you", didn't he?

[fast dew]

Thats the one thing Albrecht could never say

Thats what he meant by the words he never spoke to Loid

[radiant pier]

Loid could be lying

[fast dew]

This is from Albrecht's speech

[radiant pier]

after all, does anyone else but you really need to know what they truly said?

[fast dew]

Its coming from him lmao

The. One you chose, thats actually said at the start of whispers

[radiant pier]

I just remembered the whole Gojo's last words to Geto

[fast dew]

The music overpowers it a lot

But he does say it

[radiant pier]

this first option is weird though....why's it here...

[dense mist]

Some people prefer to choose peace over inflammatory idiots online 🤷🏻‍♂️

[fast dew]

The. Worthy one?? Thats what he said 😭

He says that, lemme get the voice clip

[radiant pier]

nono the, always watching thing

[lean garden]

idk, something something

-# The way in you talk to me
-# have me wishin' I were gone

[fast dew]

Oh. Wally.

[radiant pier]

WOAH

[fast dew]

He means wally.

Wally is always watching

[radiant pier]

WAS THAT ALBRECHT?

damn this is really cool

[fast dew]

Ehhh. Its... not him

[dense mist]

Man imagine refusing to stop interacting with a person YOU BLOCKED even when theyve asked you to do so SEVERAL TIMES wow way to be evil lol

[fast dew]

Its wally, pretending to be him. He can do that

[radiant pier]

SCREW OFF I'VE BEEN TRYNA FORGET

[fast dew]

Man imagine thinking fiction doesnt affect reality and ignoring when it does

be quiet.

[glass sluice]

@fast dew You don't control this server, stop trying to act like it.
You are not a mod here, or an admin.

[lean garden]

-# but I'm Mr Loverman
-# and I miss my lover, man

[dense mist]

Man imagine being so so mad every time anyone brings up your stupid evil blorbo in a negative light that you start a fight with them regardless of if you have them blocked or not

[woeful badge]

online argument on a monday is insane btw

[glass sluice]

It's honestly really shitty that someone who wants to discuss lore here comes and finds this place as the official discussion channel.

[fast dew]

You pick strawman arguments and confidently say wrong things, then act like its a personal attack when people go to correct you on it.

Case in point, just before.

Don't act like you're a saint or somehow better.

[glass sluice]

The issue is that you see everything as an argument, then use terms like "strawman".
We're discussing things. You need to go outside more.

[fast dew]

I do actually! Every day. I volunteer at an aviary!

[glass sluice]

and here comes the bit where you say that you have a personal interest in WF lore so I can't complain about it.

[ebon bobcat]

You lot 😅 are somthing

[dense mist]

Im not better 🙁 im not a saint?? 🙁 i thought i WAS!!! I THOUGH I WAS BETTER THAN EVERYONE OH GOD MY WHOLE WORLD VIEW IS BEING THREATENED /sar obviously

[ebon bobcat]

Fellas want to play some instead of winning a stupid argument

🙂

[restive lantern]

Dude stop telling people who say things you disagree with to shut up, this isn't your server

[dense mist]

All to defend a fictional character he claims he doesnt even like jfc

[fast dew]

Id do the same for ballas as well, and ive expressed my dislike well enough

[glass sluice]

You know what, I know where this is going. It's rolling the boulder up a hill at this point.

[fast dew]

Its like saying pixel likes the orokin because theyd defend them on the basis "not all orokin can be like this"

[radiant pier]

I've only just paid attention to chat what're y'all doing...

[dense mist]

Ok everyone, new rule from the new self appointed mod thomas: NO TALKING NEGATIVELY ABOUT EVIL CHARACTERS!!!

[radiant pier]

this started when I called it yaoi right? how did....it gets to this

[glass sluice]

Honestly no idea Joel.

[lean garden]

you fool! this is the true power of old man yaoi!

[restive lantern]

It's a normal thomas thing 😭

[fast dew]

Yes. Anyways

Old man yaoi

[dense mist]

I just think its ridiculous to jump all over someone for calling someone a twink, imo pixel didnt even call him a twink they used a gif that said the word twink

[lean garden]

Anyways I bet 2 credits that Albrecht is not making it alive to the end of the void war arc

[restive lantern]

I'm sure you really don't like Albert with your shrine and ao3 history lol

[fast dew]

I would honestly hate it if he did die

[glass sluice]

I think he's going to be here until at least after we revisit Tau.

[restive lantern]

I can honestly only hope

[fast dew]

Only because it defeats the purpose of Roathe's existence

Him serving as a proxy for Albrecht and all

[restive lantern]

You're so right fr 💙

[fast dew]

Id much rather him face the consequences then getting an out from them by dying

[tall echo]

(No one did)

[fast dew]

People when hyperfixations are uncontrollable and it makes me happy to have a collection of things

[dense mist]

You said "albrecht isn't a twink" and then got mad when they refused to justify themself

[restive lantern]

You quite literally demanded an argument from me lol

[fast dew]

Also. Im sure you know much about my ao3 history, because I can assure you, Albrecht isnt the reason I read it.

[radiant pier]

guys I finished the whole quest and y'all are still here 😭

[fast dew]

I got more saved fics of a robot

Samuel hayden.... woa....

[tall echo]

When you react with ❌ , I do expect a reasoning, as that is the point of a discussion

[strange turtle]

…If you think that’s mad you really need to work on your ability to read tone icl

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/samuel-hayden-destroyed-gif-26781526

[lean garden]

eh, not as penitence, or for anyone's desire to see him out the door, but as a mechanical necessity psychoanalytically, to defeat wally

[fast dew]

Grabbing him and throwing him into the wall

[restive lantern]

Unfortunately #lore-discussion and #spoiler-chat are constantly like this

[dense mist]

"mad" "hostile" "unhappy" "demanding" maybe mad was the wrong word but they certainly werent happy

[radiant pier]

guys it's been an hour

[tall echo]

Only when you're around :)

[radiant pier]

oh, I thought it was more yk...like discussing the lore, that's why I was originally here

[lean garden]

No one wants to talk about the psychoanalytical implications of Albrecht and Wally's relationship

[tall echo]

It usually is

[fast dew]

I do! I really want to!

[radiant pier]

neato

what's the nickname of that man in the wall

[dense mist]

Yeah as long as you don't say anything to piss off the lore crusaders

[lean garden]

wally

[fast dew]

I wanna bring up how the cavia do seem to be representative of Albrecht's dead kids

[restive lantern]

LMFAOO if only I guarded this chats like a starving dog like Thomas.

[fast dew]

Possible. Dead kids

[radiant pier]

why wally?

[lean garden]

The Man in the Wall(y)

[fast dew]

Im holding onto hope that Rebb was just covering for a kimchat muckup

[tall echo]

Unfortunately there's one or two people whom I shan't name who instantly get defensive when confronted

[restive lantern]

I always assumed it was a pun bc wall lol

[radiant pier]

wait that's what he's called?

you're joking

[fast dew]

The indifference, the lidless eye, HIM. He has a few names

[lean garden]

The Man in the Wall, The Indifference, The Lidless Eye, The Glory and then... Wally :D

[fast dew]

Wheres the full list

[glass sluice]

one of the DE staff mentioned it in a livestream, I believe someone in chat called it as a joke, and it's now considered semi-canon.

[radiant pier]

but The Man in the Wall is one of them?

I thought.....okay that's hilarious

[radiant pier]

is that why one of y'all found it entertaining I called him "The Man in the Wall" when I first saw him without knowing that lore

[strange turtle]

I know, and it’s not any of that either

[fast dew]

He has a few nicknames

[lean garden]

we've been calling wally wally since we got The Man in The Wall as a name when TWW came out iirc, its usually how he's referred to, even before any of the DE staff mentioned it in a devstream

[glass sluice]

Yes, thats why i mentioned it was someone in chat.

[glass sluice]

Every time someone uses that name, I think of the one xfiles episode where the lady bricks her son in a wall

[strange turtle]

You can in fact, want and seek a response beyond a ❌, it’s not unreasonably or anything to ask for that

[lean garden]

Its a decent chance at either:

1. DE saw someone say it
2. DE independently came up with it because its almost natural to contract TMiTW to Wally

[fast dew]

Yeah they do that a lot

[lean garden]

It was literally too easy

[fast dew]

Refuse to explain shit when they end up being wrong

For whatever reason

[lean garden]

Definitely caught on faster than Liddy for Lidless Eye

Or Indy for the Indifference

[restive lantern]

Thomas is like my biggest professional hater at this point lmfao

[lean garden]

Wally, just sounds right

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[glass sluice]

Liddy sounds too feminine, and if WF's community is one thing, it's gender focused.
usually around hating anyone who doesn't conform to one or the other

[strange turtle]

Even aside from that, their wording was perfectly fine anyway

[lean garden]

Indy is a better contender since its using Wally's other very commonly used name

[restive lantern]

Us disagreeing ≠ me being wrong

You are not right about everything

[fast dew]

God. That name reminds me of shit

[lean garden]

Indy also has some cultural foothold since Indy -> Indiana Jones

But same can be said of Wally -> Wheres Wally/Waldo

[fast dew]

Hell. Hell hours

Where's my

Where is it i need the

[glass sluice]

Wouldn't it be inda? Man "in da" wall.

[restive lantern]

Inda is kinda sick AF lol

[fast dew]

Ini the beninging

[strange turtle]

Himmy. After Sythel calling him Him

[fast dew]

Jimmy....

His name is Jimmy now

[restive lantern]

Demanding and argument over a silly gif is extremely unnecessary.

[lean garden]

Indy more because of the indiana jones thing, but also because yknow sometimes people misuse the thee sound for the

[midnight ice]

manny

[fast dew]

Manny... I can see it

[lean garden]

I had no considered that

[glass sluice]

I can safely say that I've never missaid that sound, but also that I've never properly said that sound either.

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/imbecile-killer-mystery-londs-manny-gif-12181298763467614189

[restive lantern]

His full name; Manny Inda Wally

[fast dew]

We thought of different mannys

[lean garden]

shrimple: thee for vowels thuh for consonants

[fast dew]

I got damn. Ice age up in this

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/glare-age-ice-narrow-narrow-eyes-gif-16122340635448794476

[lean garden]

thee elephant, thuh cat

[fast dew]

Bau you'd love to hear the shit i mispronounce

[glass sluice]

i mean im what i like to refer to as "non talky", but not in the autistic way.
so in a very literal sense: ive not made those sounds :p

[fast dew]

I still cannot enunciate Euleria

No matter how hard i try

[glass sluice]

Wally works because it sounds disarming.
It's like calling Lucifer in that show "lucy", it just sounds adorable

[lean garden]

see the thing is, manny (ice age) is a reliable(ish) protagonist, manny (whimpy kids) deserves to be part of NASA, as a space payload, launch method: the boot

[fast dew]

I will sit there for 2 minutes trying to pronounce the ul-er sound

[glass sluice]

you could also go for div2's manny, who is sort of your boss, and just a really cool guy

[lean garden]

you leria

ew leria

[fast dew]

I can't do the ul part 😭

Like dude i couldn't say yellow till i was 12

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/chris-martin-and-it-was-all-yellow-coldplay-singing-gif-9881032

[fast dew]

Speech impediment who

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/homer-simpson-yellow-gif-12747952

[lean garden]

anyways

the implications of wally and albrecht

wally will be unable to create an independent self from albrecht, albrecht will use this to his advantage to merge with wally, allowing us to seal/kill wally

[fast dew]

And Albrecht gets his wish fulfilled!! He finally gets to die

[glass sluice]

And then your dad shows up and tells you how proud of you he is.

[lean garden]

what the dead one from the accident?

wait I got the wrong gif for that

[glass sluice]

The one who tried to eat you, yeah.

[lean garden]

I had the beetlejuice dead mom gif

[lean garden]

he what now

[glass sluice]

Adults/Parents on the Zariman didn't just try and stab you.

[lean garden]

Imma need to check the transcripts/kims

I know they were violent and feral, but cannibalism wasnt something I picked up

[glass sluice]

I've been doing a slow run of the kims recently.
did not realise just how much dialogue there was until you needed to go through all of it in order.

[restive lantern]

That's so wild omg

[lean garden]

right so help a fella out and point me in the direction of the cannibal

[glass sluice]

it also reaffirmed my hatred of amir

[glass sluice]

i can confirm its not quincy, because i keep hanging up on him.
most likely eleanor, but possibly lettie

in an unrelated note, this was a mental image I never thought would be canon

[restive lantern]

Why does he talk like hes in lore chat 😭

[glass sluice]

I didnt wanna say it, but it does remind me of someone from the div2 discord lol

[lean garden]

any specific keywords to look out for?

[strange turtle]

Demand’s a strong word

[glass sluice]

"monster" was probably in there somewhere. Honestly if i didnt take a screenshot of it, it had to really stand out.

[restive lantern]

Asking for an argument over and over then.

[fast dew]

You know if you dont like being here you can just leave right? Theres a whole other server you can be in that doesn't have me in it and you'll find its the same over there

[strange turtle]

Twice is hardly over and over

[fast dew]

Just a suggestion

[lean garden]

monster isnt turning up much

[fast dew]

The community discord is. A place

A lot worse than here i feel

Less. Sanitised

[lean garden]

do you have any idea what the general flow of that conversation

[restive lantern]

I literally get along with most other people lmfao

[strange turtle]

I found this

Wrong reply

Was meant for the zombie thing

[lean garden]

Hm, not really the cannibal thing I was expecting

[fast dew]

Blood crazed doesnt suggest much

[lean garden]

meats gotta go in the mouth for the cannibal to cannibal

its cannibal not cantnibal

[strange turtle]

Ik you said not Quincy but couldn’t find anything else that’d suggest “zombie”

[glass sluice]

im about 90% sure the word "eat" was used, but that last 10% is tricky.
i havent completely blocked out quincy, just less likely as ive decided to not take his shit this time

[fast dew]

Its cannibal not hannibal-

[midnight ice]

oo what are we looking for today

[restive lantern]

Where it might say in the Kim chats what the zariman parents ate the children

[lean garden]

eat is very very difficult, the kimulacrum cannot isolate words

eat will trigger treat

or heathen

[fast dew]

Which is annoying tbh

Tryna find anything on. Literally anything

[midnight ice]

i remember drifter traumadumping (lh) to quincy about how the void turned the parents against their kids to (non verbatim) "see if parents could go against their instinct" or smth but thats about as far as it went, and i rmb quincy's convo being the most explicit sbt the zariman experience

[glass sluice]

Honestly don't worry about it, I'll screenshot it when I do my next slowrun when I realise I don't click with Aoi as a dating partner.

[midnight ice]

me when i where text like '%keyword%'

[lean garden]

does % work?

[midnight ice]

oh no sorry i was makinf a joke about the fuzzy search

[lean garden]

No you are like papa

you lie

[midnight ice]

tenno lies..

[fast dew]

Papa is gone....

Bird 3 oh bird 3

[restive lantern]

Tenno low-key do be lying sometimes

[fast dew]

Did yall know bird 3 descends from a carnivorous bird from Brazil

Called a Wuk

[restive lantern]

Also, lore question for those who have done glast gambit

What did y'all pick at the end ?

It was one of the more difficult choices for me ngl 😭

[lean garden]

I let her choose

like she's the one who knows the ground the best

[fast dew]

Have we figured out whats the stuff bird 3 even eats

[lean garden]

prime directive (within limitations) type shit

[fast dew]

Looks like. Grains maybe

[midnight ice]

i did it way back before '20 but i think i also let her choose. at that time i didnt want to ruin the infested-gathering way of life (i was really obsessed with preservation of things like culture and this was under it)

[restive lantern]

I also chose that, it felt wrong to remove her from her loved ones and to force our values into her

[glass sluice]

I should replay that, I haven't done it in almost a decade.

[midnight ice]

not tenno lies: adding space before and after eat only shows instances of eat

[lean garden]

holy boingoloid

[restive lantern]

WAIT I SEE IT THO

[glass sluice]

same with ingame and showing gara vs akjagara

[restive lantern]

3rd line down!

[glass sluice]

hey, glad im not going crazy. so arthur, well i was close with a sibling

[midnight ice]

or however that Fortuna thing went like

[restive lantern]

It's a good quest, just a bit repetitive

[strange turtle]

I don’t remember what I chose but in hindsight. God the choice is stupid. Like I get it’s supposed to be having to choose whether the culture or the child is worth saving more, but literally the only consequence we’re shown is that a specific, messed-up ritual no longer continues

[glass sluice]

i honestly need to go through them all again for the fun of it.
I play the quests when they come out, starting march 2015 and onwards. Just after I started.

[lean garden]

Drifter: The Void made our parents go insane. They were trying to eat us, Arthur. Then that thing showed up. Offered us powers.
@glass sluice Cannibals confirmed

[glass sluice]

so like, really far back now to recall stuff like a choice

https://tenor.com/view/thumbs-up-zombie-smiling-scary-creepy-gif-4325662777751108348

[lean garden]

the 3 options boil down to such:

1. Cure her, specters sent to defend colony from infested
2. She returns, shes the last triuna, they make a new way of life
3. She returns, everything remains status quo

[fast dew]

... does drifter not also say wally made them go insane??

Drifter says that, i know they do

[lean garden]

the 2) option doesnt have a direct assurance that the colony will maintain protection

[restive lantern]

That's why I like letting her choose and use her own agency.

[lean garden]

I mean, yea, Drifter interchangeably says Wally and Void drive the parents insane

[fast dew]

Good god no wonder there's so many people thinking it was the void

[lean garden]

Drifter: Because when the Man in the Wall drove the parents insane, they attacked the children, and... the children with void powers had to kill them, and....

[strange turtle]

Like. Unless their entire culture is hinged on the role of the Triurna and The Passing, literally the only things they have to miss are things directly linked to the sacrifice of a child

Since if we step in we offer protection, and could always just move them if necessary

[restive lantern]

It did tho

[lean garden]

My thinking is that 2) will still open the option for spectres/tenno to defend the colony

[fast dew]

Be consistent for one time in your life KIM writers

[glass sluice]

I know this will never get an answer, but I do wonder what the age cutoff for the kids getting void powers was, and almost more importantly: what happened to the ones that were "too young" and by what measure.
I guess just age questions.

[strange turtle]

No, she’s just the only bit that we actually learn about them

[lean garden]

Ehhh, it was important yes, but from the transcript its key role is just defending the colony from the infestation, something that the spectres would also accomplish. So I wouldnt say Myconian culture hinged on the triuna

Ergo Glast: "For generations, the Myconians have kept these creatures at bay using something they call the Triuna. A powerful force and an ancestral secret. It pacifies the Infested, making life amongst the scourge somehow possible. Without it, their way of life is threatened."

So instead of pacifiying the infested, they shoot the infested in the Sun ending

[glass sluice]

We know for a fact that just shooting the infested is not enough.

see: a bunch of planets.

[fast dew]

And nor is the Triuna if they need to do it constantly

[strange turtle]

The Triurna was no doubt an important figure, but that doesn’t mean the culture itself would hinge on and be entirely centred around her

[lean garden]

I mean, it is a colony station iirc, so its not as wide of an area to defend as something like eris or deimos

[glass sluice]

I like to think of it as them re-upping the protection by re-doing it.
subscription models, ya know

[fast dew]

Deimos is small but not as small as a colony

[glass sluice]

triuna prime is a good deal

[strange turtle]

We do know, though. See: al the other planets

[restive lantern]

"She is a holder of the Triuna, a genetic immunity to the Infested, which is passed down from generation to generation of the Myconian people; the Infested's fear of hybrid people allow the Myconians to harvest from them peacefully. However, bearers of the Triuna live a short life due to hybridization with Infested genetics, so the Myconians started a ritual called "The Passing" to transfer the Triuna to another child in order to maintain the Myconian's unique immunity to the Infestation and to preserve their way of life. "

[lean garden]

shooting infested can function just fine in a smaller area, such as ships, provided the who doing the shooting is competent (aka you and your spectres)

[glass sluice]

Deimos is an entire moon

[fast dew]

The necralisk is actually a super good example

It lasted a long time, it only failed because son brought it in

Even then, the inner labs still manage to avoid it

[glass sluice]

i mean sure you can defend a big building, but they aren't just standing at the door with bratons.

[restive lantern]

I mean, they would have to literally change their entire way of life. So it does kinda hinge on that imo

[glass sluice]

wait, braton is the corpus one? i always get it mixed up with burston

[fast dew]

Fun fact, there's farms bigger than deimos

Deimos is tiny

[strange turtle]

Culture ain’t way of life

[glass sluice]

probably in australia

[fast dew]

I can confirm, I can seperate my culture without changing my way of life

Considering how ingrained it is to me

[glass sluice]

thats a language issue there. Many people do refer to their culture as their "way of life"

[lean garden]

mmm, might have to ship of theseus this one. If they are able to maintain safety without the triuna, and are still able to harvest infested parts, is their way of life disrupted?

[fast dew]

Yup. The biggest farm in the world is, i think? Maybe. Been a while since I checked

[glass sluice]

Im not shocked, most of the internal bits are empty

[fast dew]

Mostly good for cattle, out west

[restive lantern]

I would say it 100% is some contexts.

[glass sluice]

and camels! we have a lot of camels. we farm them actually.

[fast dew]

Theres sheep stations but they're more on the east side of the GDR

Mm. Too many feral camels.

Much like rabbits! Speaking of, I should go rabbit hunting

[glass sluice]

every few years you hear about another tourist trying to drive across australia because they're american and think the scale is smaller

[fast dew]

Mucking. Ate shit while waking up the hill yesterday from a burrow

[fast dew]

Genuinely the worst part is the fuel cost its not even if the car can survive, its if they can afford the fuel

[glass sluice]

i went out there once, its amazing just how much nothing there is.
deserts exist sure, but its honestly a good place for a silent hill game with how much "void" it is

[midnight ice]

and idk! this doesnt have to be the correct opinion but i think upending the whole thing they have going on (and replacing it with tenno specter defenders) just feels wrong to me. something something i think that'd mean they would depend on the tenno for defense and foraging (instead of their own ability to self-sustain via an Omelas situation)

[fast dew]

Best part about living inland is that you dont get much rust

[restive lantern]

I mean I believe it is a major shift in their culture that happens more natural way if you let the girl decide. We kinda just assume our way is just as good, when that would go from peacefully harvesting to violently having to defend and harvest. I would say that's at least going to be a mild disruption in their way of life as the culture shifts.

Oh yeah obviously it's just opinions at the end of the days that's why I asked haha

[lean garden]

Imo for the context of the myconians, the loss of the triuna would be a cultural milestone instead of a cultural disruption, although it would mean a change in the way of life. The broader culture wouldnt change, hell, they can still reenact the passing even if symbolically, they just wouldnt need it as a way of life yknow?

[fast dew]

Mm, used to live out near the hay plains, if you've seen em, and it is. Shockingly empty

[restive lantern]

I agree, that's my feelings as well.

[fast dew]

The whole Riverina is just flat as shit

Makes for horrid floods

[midnight ice]

how do they forage from the infested, then? by specter escort?

slash neutral

[lean garden]

definitely more natural for the neutral option, but by and large sun and neutral involve changes to how things operate

[glass sluice]

i was always more of a coastal girl, but south-western sydney coast.
it was great it you love crime

[midnight ice]

slash not in an attacking way but i want to hear your pov

[lean garden]

I'd imagine same way we do

-# with unmitigated violence

[midnight ice]

we teach them the ways of beating up the infested for pitiful resource drops

[fast dew]

Im terrified of the ocean after some shit happened at Kiama, when I was in foster care. God. Almost 10 years ago

[strange turtle]

Aside from what I was saying before I also just, don’t think the information we’re given justifies keeping them around at the expense of person and person, let alone children who can’t even really make that choice, being condemned to an early death

[restive lantern]

It would be cultural shift but it would disrupt their way of life ie: shifting from peaceful harvesting to violent tenno controlled in the sun option

[glass sluice]

i didnt see a lot of the ocean, despite being an hour and a bit away.
was more suburbia and highways than beaches

[fast dew]

I think it just takes an hour to get to the ocean if you live in middle of Sydney anyways, the traffic is horrific

[glass sluice]

lol yeah even back then, but i was out closer to fairfield, but more west

[fast dew]

I have to go up once a year for my endocrinologist appointments and I dread it

But. Its free. Shout out to medicare

[glass sluice]

I did have family in Manly on that big hill. Still mad they sold it back then.
god the cost of that place now

[fast dew]

God

[midnight ice]

just clicked with me that this really parallels the irl issue of "should a culture with unpleasant aspects be entirely preserved or should a greater(?) force move them towards removing that unpleasant aspect" and im not as well read in anthropology to make substantial backed points

[fast dew]

Id rather live in the middle of nowhere for less than 3000 a month than manly

[glass sluice]

manly back then was kinda paradise, gorgeous place
now its.....ratty

[fast dew]

Mm, I have a say in this, given my own culture and the apparent sexism it has

[lean garden]

whats that thing called? The Ones Who Walk Away?

[fast dew]

Yea. Its unfortunate. Melbourne is better though, for sure. Its so pretty

[midnight ice]

• From Omelas yeah

[restive lantern]

I think that's fair, I did consider that but I think it's better to give her agency to shift the culture and not rip her away from her family.

[fast dew]

I get dizzy when looking up at tall buildings, when im in the city

I. I get dizzy from reaching up to grab plates

I get dizzy

[glass sluice]

dee why was honestly nicer than manly, which is closer to where the house was actually.

.yes australia really does have names like that, its not a joke

[strange turtle]

Like even if it means that the whole culture has to be disrupted. They can adapt, they can move onto doing other things, even just move altogether if necessary, not like they wouldn’t probably have to eventually.

It’s one thing if the way of life was necessary, if this was some price they just had to pay for their survival. But it isn’t. We know there’s other societies that do just fine, or at least get by. Obviously they couldn’t have just up and left or changed things before, not trying to say they were just killing these kids for no reason, but there’s a chance now

[restive lantern]

It's definitely like that. And I feel like IRL it's usually a empire of mostly western values.

[fast dew]

Ive had to explain to people that making fun of the names is. Kinda disrespectful and mildly racist if they continue to after the explanation but

The internet never listens

Mainly cus the first nations folk here (me!) Are forgotten again and again and again

Though. Can't blame the Americans

They're not taught much about other countries in school, i heard

[midnight ice]

i come from (but am technically detached) from someplace thats been colonized for a good while (then seeing the modern government pick up its own imperialism) (not the US, global south) so it definitely colors my pov of things. mostly by being a bit preservationist about it

[glass sluice]

i think most people get that its sort of a running joke to mock them for outsiders.

[glass sluice]

its always worth remembering that the writers perspective and experiences are what shape a story more than anything else

[fast dew]

Yeah some of the names are silly sounding, but they do generally mean shit thats supposed to be serious, and a lot of folk don't know that. Wagga wagga is a silly sound, but its an important thing for the Wiradjuri folk down east of me

-# Wagga is also a craptown

Same with Yass actually

Most places are but. Those two are

Phenomenally bad.

[glass sluice]

as someone whos a good chunk irish and yugo, you gotta take the rough with the smooth when it comes to people making fun of names.

[midnight ice]

also i went to sydney once and think the land acknowledgements are kind of silly without actually contributing to landback efforts. cool to hear as an outsider but baffles me slightly the next few times it haopens

[glass sluice]

a good chunk of my family come from a place that literally doesn't exist anymore lol

[fast dew]

The acknowledgements are incredibly important

But. Government is gonna do what Government is gonna do

[glass sluice]

if you look up the history of native australians and the colonisers, you really would not be saying that

[fast dew]

Hey thats my history!

[midnight ice]

ah my bad, i'll take it back

[fast dew]

My mother and hers was apart of the stolen generation

Which is. Not good

[glass sluice]

yeah you know the bad stuff americans did to the natives? that, sorta

[fast dew]

And more recent!

Shit didnt stop till the 70s

[glass sluice]

"we really need to test these missiles, but theres people in the place we want to fire them at"
"just shooting them would be too evil, but aiming elsewhere isnt evil enough"

[fast dew]

Its gotten to the point where they had to start issuing certificates of aboriginality, because they did that "good" of a job

[glass sluice]

my old neighbour was too actually, well their family anyway.
and his wife's family was part of the white version of that, with the british and the kids

[restive lantern]

Yeah I am from the south in the USA and seen my country slaughter tons of brown people for having "Inferior cultures" in the "Middle East" - the islamaphobia post 9/11, post Vietnam, etc really has marred our cultural views. I personally am just very against the idea of a greater(?) nation coming in to inflict their values mainly because it's a major part of colonism mindset and fundamentally flawed. It never ever works at intended, the changing my force

[fast dew]

Yeah? Its. Not fun, seeing how. Widespread and recent it was

[glass sluice]

i can safely say this chat got a bit heavy.

[fast dew]

Don't forget the national apology back in. What. 2001?

[glass sluice]

2007

wait, 2008? it was with Rudd

[restive lantern]

Like we don't even know if their reaction would be good. Like they thought you were gonna save Neewa but in their view ripping her away from her loved ones and then forcing militarization upon their people would work out well 😭

[fast dew]

Even worse!

[glass sluice]

I can 100% confirm that Howard would not lol

[fast dew]

Howard. Thats the mucker that drowned yeah?

[glass sluice]

close, that was Holt

[restive lantern]

It's okay for things I get a bit heavy sometimes!

[glass sluice]

Howard was the GST guy

[fast dew]

Oh. GST is kinda. Good i think? If you mean the Tax

The. 10% sales tax

[glass sluice]

lets just say theres a lot of history with it

[fast dew]

[Included in the price on the shelf!]

I was. Literally not alive during it

2006.... what a weird year

[glass sluice]

my aunt was part of the labour office back then, i heard a LOT of smacktalk about the other side

[fast dew]

I cannot think of anything notable happening in that year

[glass sluice]

Pluto stopped being a planet in 2006

[fast dew]

Baller knowledge

[glass sluice]

I was in high school, the science teacher had thoughts

[fast dew]

Bet they did

My old science teacher still gets those thoughts

He's been there since the damn 90s

[glass sluice]

oh and steve irwin died the same year

[fast dew]

OH MY GOD.

Dw lads

Its me im Steve Irwin but with birds

[midnight ice]

a lot of my views on indigenous cultures here (of which there are hundreds, thousands? especially the more "remote" ones) boils down to "idk maybe leave them alone if theyre doing fine" 😭

[glass sluice]

id recommend not holding your kid over a rail, people werent a fan

[fast dew]

Knowing the curse that happened with my family bloodline

[fast dew]

Can't have kids, so i won't be doin that one

God the reasons I can't have kids sounds like a whole ass list of excuses atp

[glass sluice]

dw his son is in zootopia 2, you'll be fine

[fast dew]

Soon. Soon I'll get the damned organ removed

[fast dew]

[glass sluice]

the koala at the end lol, took me a second to realise. he sounds exactly like his dad.

[fast dew]

What does... its Robert yes? What does he play?

OH.

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/rock-marcus-the-worm-annoyed-worm-mad-gif-8661586200252931628

[fast dew]

Me honestly

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/wink-steve-irwin-winking-gif-6677715042172526837

im sorry i couldnt resist the timing

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/marcus-gif-4075808345584318849

[fast dew]

It is funny, I wouldn't be speaking the same way if you did see me in the wild

Mainly cus I turn into a doormat

[restive lantern]

Right ? 😭 Do we need to colonize everywhere to make them a neo liberal capitalist faux democracy built upon systemic violence? We should really just mind our business sometimes 😭

[fast dew]

And. I shut down when speaking to folk if its at the aviary. Which is an issue considering my job is to talk about birds

[midnight ice]

popping the biggest bottles once we can unequip the organ warframe loadout style

[glass sluice]

lol, dw about it. the most i can do IRL is a withering look

i am really good at them though! 👀

[fast dew]

Its so strange but my obgyn is genuinely excited to be able to remove it soon and. Its mildly concerning but in the way its "shes excited that i wont be in pain any more" not. Shes excited to remove an organ for the sake of removing an organ

[fast dew]

I have the issue of no facial expressions 💔

Bad tonal indications, no facial expressions

[tall echo]

No kaelli?

[midnight ice]

id trust her with mine

[glass sluice]

hey when you're really hankering for that trophy you get hyped

[midnight ice]

someone this passionate about getting organs out has got to be really good with getting organs out

[fast dew]

Best i got is bad stims and violence but I have gotten better at communicating it

[tall echo]

I mean
The organism doesn't need to survive to extract the organs

[fast dew]

Shes great actually, she took a short course on transmasc/afab enby stuff bcs she has a few clients that fall into those categories

She also works out of the Calvary and would murder a nun to keep us okay and its sweet

Genuinely a god roll

[midnight ice]

aww let me tail behind you and sneak in just before the door closes so its a two for one deal

[glass sluice]

Ask her is she has any womb to fit you in.

[fast dew]

I wanna tell her to keep it in a jar for me tbh

[fast dew]

She has a giant ass poster of one? Featuring a lot of possible issues it can have

Excluding pelvic floor issues

Which. I have found out goes both ways

[midnight ice]

doctors always have some big posters of doohickeys

[fast dew]

Both too weak and too strong

[fast dew]

My regular GP has a big poster on types of inhalers 😭

I read it a lot

I be bored when they check my blood pressure, its always the same thing

[glass sluice]

one of my local doctors when i was a kid was a mechanic who stole his brothers licence.

[fast dew]

[glass sluice]

i dont have any doctor poster stories because i never went to the same one for long

[fast dew]

Tgats. Actually not funny holy hell

[glass sluice]

he practiced for years and people only found out when he retired.

i think it was something about him not getting all the way through school for it

[fast dew]

Ah.

[glass sluice]

i mean, engine, human body. both have moving bits.

[restive lantern]

Wild lore chat discussion 😭

[glass sluice]

its my headcanon that DE based the head removing corpus doctors off him

there, lore'd

[restive lantern]

LMFAO

[fast dew]

I cope with blood tests by listening to Albrecht lines because. Easier to pretend im about to be proto'd

Qorvex...

[glass sluice]

just dont pretend its lettie, the doctor who'd be a bit too into the tests

fun fact: quincy knows and makes a joke about it.

[fast dew]

I like Lettie but not like that tbh

[glass sluice]

the first time I realised that was her thing, I was just done trauma dumping on her about duviri and me suffering, and her line is effectively "I want to make you suffer"
I swear her writer was from a NSFW true stories subreddit

[fast dew]

... she is

[ocean geyser]

Man i missed
A lot

Holy shit dude

[restive lantern]

Lore chats unfortunately

[fast dew]

Oh my god the Americans dont know what swags are

[ocean geyser]

Nothingburger argument compilation 🔥

Anyway hello everyone

[midnight ice]

i have to ask: has anyone ever tried cooking a binbird

[fast dew]

Bin chicken? Probably. Bogans

[midnight ice]

i see.......

[glass sluice]

ibis are kinda awesome

[strange turtle]

Swags?

[fast dew]

They're so cool

[fast dew]

Singular person tents

[midnight ice]

i adore them. i dont have wild large birds where i am so every time i see an ibis i go whoa! Animal

[fast dew]

With a lil mattress n everything

[fast dew]

Pelicans always shock me with how large they are

[glass sluice]

no joke, like a few months ago an honest to god eagle landed on my fence. Wedge-tailed from what I could tell.

[fast dew]

Like i deal with emus but

[midnight ice]

and like, crowds of pigeons and seagulls. i go Whoa! Beast

[strange turtle]

Oh those

[fast dew]

Pelicans are not usually what I thought

[ocean geyser]

I think people just didn’t know they were called that tbh

[restive lantern]

That's wild lmfao

[fast dew]

Yeah high chance it wouldve been

[glass sluice]

it was honestly freaking awesome. I gave it some meat from the fridge, it looked at me and i very carefully closed the door

[fast dew]

Raptor birds have been making their ways up n east recently

Id love to get a proper licence to work with them

[strange turtle]

Wait are they like, the little triangle kind of tent or like, Yurt tent

[fast dew]

Lemme get. Photos

[strange turtle]

I’ve never actually seen one

[glass sluice]

it did take it, then i could feel the wind as it flew away.
amazing experience

[fast dew]

Ugly ass things

[ocean geyser]

That looks like a coffin

[fast dew]

Ive had. Interesting experiences with birds

[ocean geyser]

Vampire tent

[midnight ice]

looks like the stuff theyd carry dead people in where i am. Muslim funerary processions

[fast dew]

Theres a set of lesbian galahs at the aviary

Well thats

Honestly it wouldn't surprise me if someone's died in there

[ocean geyser]

Is it okay if my brain immediately goes to the coffin dance

[fast dew]

Shit gets WARM

[ocean geyser]

Cause i automatically just thought of these guys

https://tenor.com/view/dancing-coffin-coffin-dance-funeral-funny-farewell-gif-16737844

Then again ive never seen a muslim funeral procession

[restive lantern]

😭

[strange turtle]

german ram ranch, australian, uh

Yeah I got nothing

[glass sluice]

lots of animals can get in same-sex pairs, its not that uncommon

[midnight ice]

LOL a bit, the "coffin" just looks like the tents Thomas sent (green)

[ocean geyser]

Green….

[fast dew]

Its actually kinda bad for em, they do get mad hormonal if you don't prepare for it

[glass sluice]

you leave the lesbians alone, theyve been through a lot

[fast dew]

Its usually not an issue for animals that don't mate for life

[strange turtle]

No it’s a joke because like. There’s a ranch specifically for gay rams in Germany

And there’s the song Ram Ranch

[fast dew]

They have, both are rescues. Teddy n Fritz. Because their old owner didnt seem to know how to check a galah' gender and assumed they were male

[strange turtle]

Wait no nvm I misread the bit about the aviary

[fast dew]

Which. Is dumb. Its literally the damn eye colour

[fast dew]

But its true, theres lesbian galahs in the aviary

Theres also a wallaby

And a lamb occasionally

[strange turtle]

Yeah but I though there was way more than just the set

[fast dew]

Oh there probably is

Theres Football, disabled fella

[strange turtle]

Isn’t that bi then

[fast dew]

Oh the lamb isnt anything, its a literal sheep

I. Dont know where it came from

It appeared one day

[strange turtle]

ohh you were just listing the other animals

[fast dew]

Yeah 😭

[strange turtle]

I thought you meant they were all gay

[fast dew]

Nah its not that common. But

It can be

[severe loom]

I have a crackpot theory that somehow the pax east update is connected to hollvania somehow

and it is all based on this :

pick a side is a song from the 1999 ost as well as special guests wich i assume might be the proto's va's

[silk atlas]

<@&778745217037238293>

[severe loom]

Did i put the theory in the wrong chat or is this abt something else?

[silk atlas]

No there was a Mr. Beast scam

Got deleted

[severe loom]

Ahh makes sense

[old wharf]

I wish we could recrate the Technocyte Project in real life.

[tall echo]

No you don't

[silk atlas]

Do you also want a dinosaur zoo with that too?

[old wharf]

Can I also get Bird 3 as well

[silk atlas]

I'm referencing Jurassic Park because it's very clear that the media those pieces of media, Technocyte included, show how much that that's a bad idea

[old wharf]

Yeah ik, but I just wanted Bird 3, he can take over a nation

[old wharf]

You will get your own boyband though, well maybe.

[tall echo]

*poor copies of a boy band
*which aren't for the general public

[old wharf]

🤫

Don't bring my ruin.

I need this

[proper barn]

The chat bot verison of the boyband isn't good for you.

[tall echo]

Oh new vinny pfp

[strong viper]

Bout to bring back my attitude with amir xD

[strong viper]

Can we just focus on Bird 3? I like Bird 3.

[rotund trellis]

I just finished the Hexa quest
And Im SHOCKED
Can the Drifter go back in time outside of Duviri?! That's a crazy feat

Also loved the cyberpunk aesthetic

[woven coyote]

1999 was already in a loop

So for now it is assumed to be loop control rather than actual time control

[restive river]

So as was stated the loop already existed, Drifter gains control over the loop likely due to their time in Duviri
But yes they also do just time travel to 1999, though that specifically has nothing to do with their time in Duviri and more so is just transference + infestation’s weird relationship with time

[ripe crest]

So do the Operator and Drifters stories end up overlapping ever?

Or is it currently two seperate stories for basically 2 characters

[woven coyote]

They are quite intertwinned by their very nature

[ripe crest]

But storywise, do they ever like actually connect?

Been a few years so I don't remember much

[woven coyote]

Well new war already shows them connecting
Lotus eaters is also a conection point

[manic mason]

Over The New War

[woven coyote]

But they are in a divide and conquer kinda deal

Drifter has been chasing albrecht while operator is doing things in origin to try and get them info or an edge

All with the end goal of stopping wally

[manic mason]

Both give info about Tau being important too so both ways go to the same place in a different way

So a small question that has me a bit weirded about Follie:

If her quest is after Chains of Harrow... how does she know what a RPG from 1999 is?

[woven coyote]

Lol

Same way as the keys from alads newly developed safes that she somehow summons i suppose

[swift sentinel]

My guess, it's more that she can create 'anything' and it's the Tenno creating an RPG or disruption key

[restive river]

That doesn’t really work though? The tenno don’t know about the thermia RPGs

They especially don’t know after Chains which is where Follie is placed

The only way it maybe makes sense is there’s a tie to Wally, which even then I’m not certain on since at that point in the story he has yet to go to 1999

[lean garden]

I mean, he'd already be there no?

I know the majority of along came a spider can be dismissed as wally fan fic

[restive river]

No? He only got into 1999 when we snuck in in Whispers

[lean garden]

but wasnt neci's segment a plausible thing

[restive river]

Neci’s segment relates to the ARG iirc which
Still would be later

[lean garden]

which is to say, wally's been around

[lean garden]

the part where it describes her childhood?

[restive river]

No not that part

[lean garden]

then this wouldn't matter much to what Im saying

because if the neci segment of along came a spider is true

then wally's been at it longer

[restive river]

So Follie is post Chains, right after Wally was sealed by Rell and now he’s our problem
So you’re saying as soon as he could after that he went to harass her

[lean garden]

probably, albrecht was already in 1999 with the protoframes by then

the void hole roathe theorises exists already

[restive river]

Yes he was in the new years loop

[lean garden]

which means wally already had a path to 1999

[restive river]

Wally couldn’t probably get at Albrecht til Whispers though

He also was weaker until, or lacked influence rather until New War

[lean garden]

which doesnt gel well with the timeline of neci's possession

[restive river]

It does if he has access to time travel

[lean garden]

Neci gets possessed when she loses her arm

the whole time we've seen her shes already lost her arm

[restive river]

Remind me, is the possession what causes the loss of her arm?

[lean garden]

well, wally was being a cheeky bugger and held it out to her so

its a rough indicator

[restive river]

But do we know their deal caused the loss of her arm

[lean garden]

not what I said

[restive river]

Or is it just
Same time

[lean garden]

bingpot

we cant tell if the deal rid her of the arm, but we can tell that the same time she lost her arm wally made her an offer she didnt refuse

because the weirdo likes using someone else's arm to make deals

[restive river]

But if she was always going to lose that arm then that’s just an indicator of when he got to her

Before he goes back there can be a time where she loses her arm without him nabbing her

Then he goes back and nabs her around that time

I also presently am doubting that Wally was already gunning for 1999 that early on, if he can just go back then the timeline isn’t going to be clear cut

Whispers can happen and then he goes after her

[lean garden]

which simply means that under all circumstances, wally would be able to access 1998 earlier

[lean garden]

eeeeh, cant be the case

[restive river]

Why not?

[lean garden]

otherwise eleanor wouldnt get wally flashbanged

[restive river]

What

[lean garden]

she tried reading neci's mind once

[restive river]

Yeah

[lean garden]

got wally flashbanged

[restive river]

That’s after whispers-

[lean garden]

before

[fast dew]

What 😭

[lean garden]

whispers is a single day loop of dec 31

[fast dew]

She wasn't possessed before whispers

[restive river]

No it’d still be after Whispers relatively

[lean garden]

eleanor would have to have done all the action before the single day loop

[fast dew]

We see her possession after whispers did we not?

[restive river]

We only learn of her possession after
We only learn of her after too tbh

[lean garden]

we see her possessed afterwards, we never see her get possessed

[restive river]

We’re also dealing with timetravel in a universe where events can be rewritten to an extent

[fast dew]

Thats the end of the arg, we see her get yoinked 😭

Woe

While we were playing as Neci

[restive river]

Proposed timeline
Whispers happens
Wally now has access to the past
Messes with Neci, eventually possessing her and using her to fully get in and take control of the loop during the Hex

[lean garden]

which means that wally would have skipped past the loop on the way back down the timeline and worked his way into the loop?

[restive river]

If Wally had access to the past before Whispers then he would have been a much larger issue then as every loop made his control over it stronger iirc

[fast dew]

Mhm

[restive river]

He was in the loop during Whispers tho

Cause he hitched a ride on us

[fast dew]

The murmur overloaded the connection

[restive river]

He hitches a ride with us cause we transference into Arthur through the vessel and now he suddenly has access to the past and Albrecht

[lean garden]

Neci Rusalka: "...I was dying all along. Did you know that? Dying from the poison I sucked down to kill the Techrot in my lungs. Until IT... held out my own severed hand to me... and offered me life."

doesnt seem to tally well with isleweaver tho

are you sure that moment is the moment she got possessed

[restive river]

The whole point is that we’re racing to get to Albrecht, if he had access as far back as post-Chains then he should have had much more influence UNLESS he only gained more influence due to Ballas’ actions in the New War

[restive river]

The ARG strongly implies that’s the moment she fully becomes a door for him

He can get access in Whispers, then go into her past and mess with her and by the time the ARG happens she’s prime for possession

[fast dew]

I. I don't see where this implies its not 😭

[lean garden]

but the isleweaver line strongly implies that Wally made contact earlier in the timeline

[lean garden]

her arm

in the arg her arm is already gone

[restive river]

Bau
We’re dealing with time travel
It ain’t linear

[fast dew]

... her severed arm

[restive river]

He can get access in Whispers and then go back lol

[fast dew]

She's missing a arm and its holding out said missing arm

[lean garden]

Im not dealing linearly, Im dealing in events

she took a deal way earlier than the arg in the timeline

[restive river]

I don’t see how the events can’t be
Gains access in Whispers
Goes back to mess with her
ARG happens, she’s possessed
Hex Quest

[lean garden]

lol now I get to say youre running things too linearly

I propose:

[restive river]

:p

[lean garden]

Gain access in whispers,
Signal Boost in ARG
Interferes with neci's life
Possesses Neci when she's getting crapped out
Slides right past the ARG
The Hex

[fast dew]

That still happens after whispers then 😭

[lean garden]

because another big qualifier in the isleweaver quote is that she's dying

[restive river]

She would be dying during either 98 or 99

We never see the rest of 99 before Neci is removed from it

[lean garden]

I'd say much before 99

because ele needs to read her mind

[restive river]

She’s dying from techrot

That narrows it down

[lean garden]

yea to not 99, since the hex need to be all protod up before 1 jan 99

otherwise ele cant mind read

[restive river]

Yeah they were complete in 98

Well not complete but complete relative to what we see with them lol

Eleanor can also just
Only see into her mind during the quest when Wally is confirmed to have possessed her

Since we don’t actually know if he did prior to that point or not

[lean garden]

thomas

people can edit their train of thoughts in real time

[lean garden]

eh? we know that when ele reads her mind it wasnt during the quest

[restive river]

I still don’t see how Wally can gain access to 1999 post chains other than the “void hole” which
Even then he would have been a much larger threat, presumably

[restive river]

I don’t recall her specifying, does she :?

[lean garden]

yea neci was giving some speech

[restive river]

Wally wouldn’t know to go to 1999 yet either since that hadn’t even been established

[restive river]

Ok so yeah her being possessed throughout 1999 and as early as 98 makes sense, the ARG being the boost to get him there after witnessing Albrecht in Whispers

A curious thing is Kaya specifies there’s a “wall” between 1999 and 1998 so Wally is just bypassing that all together since he’s accessing Neci earlier in her life, but also Kaya only mentions said wall after the loop is extended so
Maybe the wall was pushed back after the Hex quest

[lean garden]

have we considered that all the action in whispers and the arg was what he needed to get a foothold, but wouldnt stop the lidless eye from doing what eyes do best and see?

because based on what you and roathe discuss, any void saturated doodad would give wally an opening

[restive river]

I don’t see how that changes much beyond him seeing things

[lean garden]

it would mean if follie is wally related she might know what an RPG is

because one of them bahongas has eyes

[restive river]

I mean
I guess :p

[lean garden]

I forgot a b word is automodded

[restive river]

It depends on how she’s related to him if at all

[lean garden]

imagine if shes not LMAO

[restive river]

Which I wouldn’t be shocked if she is and I would kill for anything more on Wally

[lean garden]

actually wait hang on a thought just occured

yknow the voice that features in follie's mission

uh, we haven't heard it before right

[restive river]

Nope

[lean garden]

like say... undistorted, not creepy like

[restive river]

It could be Zorba but we don’t really know

[lean garden]

perhaps at the top of a tall tower

[lean garden]

I thought zorba was a dude

[restive river]

Unum 👀

[lean garden]

i didnt get a good look at the character model

[restive river]

Transmac Zorba

[lean garden]

uhuh

[midnight ice]

wearing a shirt that the ostron sells that says I ❤️ THE UNUM

[lean garden]

someone help cross check the unums voice with the recorder voice

[restive river]

Zorba is a dude yes but we can’t entirely go off their voice alone

[lean garden]

the unum wearing a tower sized shirt that says "I ❤️ Cetus"

[restive river]

That’s like saying you hear Ticker and say that she’s a dude just based off her voice

The Unum would make sense too cause
She can see through time!

[lean garden]

true

although transmasc rep outta nowhere is quite funny

in the haha way

imagine the woke spreadsheet fellas

blindsided by another trans character but the other way this time

[restive river]

They’re different from what I can tell but
Maybe Unum got multiple voices idk

[fast dew]

Mac

Big mac

[restive river]

How the voice speaks is entirely different too

[restive river]

You are transmac

[fast dew]

Hunhow is right there

[restive river]

Zorna presently does not speak in-game and we don’t know who the voice is in the trailer (I think they’re in the mission too)

Just
Someone who’s guiding us and Zorba is presently our singular candidate

[lean garden]

I mean, dudes a different kind of lifeform, thems can have wombs and be male

[fast dew]

Yeah so can I watch this

[restive river]

It could be that the voice is actually speaking to Follie / her Operator but
Idk

[fast dew]

Wrm. Does a flip

[lean garden]

its like uuuuh, wassit called, the Klingon parody on the orville

this one^

[restive river]

I can see the update being about a tenno who was struggling with the voices in a similar way to how we were and they expressed it through art

[fast dew]

Mm, more autism and similar disorders

Wokeframe smh

[lean garden]

maybe its after chains to establish that tenno can bind themselves to their frames LOL

[lean garden]

"the voices are telling me to make an rpg"

[restive river]

Also, and maybe this is more so just me but Follie having a black and white color scheme as well as her being very twisted, relating to fear and straight up making stuff from nothing does make me think
Hm
Maybe Wally is involved

[restive river]

Yeah maybe!

[fast dew]

Ive always seen it as more of a

[lean garden]

theres also that one line about giving feelings faces so

its both a rell and albrecht reference

so we're back to wally

[restive river]

Oh also art is largely a labor of love which is a sort of poison to Wally so maybe by painting it helps to drive him away

[lean garden]

painting old man yaoi

[restive river]

Yeah!

[fast dew]

Fear of self reflection i think

[restive river]

Scarne x Tormis

[fast dew]

Which in turn can be wally

[restive river]

Do you think Follie drew the whole seven pregnant or just Ballas

[fast dew]

She reminds me of a Rorschach test a lot

[lean garden]

oh man there are so many jokes to be made across the collective weight of the world's media history

[restive river]

I think that was the point tbh

Actually Rorschach would be a crazy name for her alt helm or a skin for her

I am curious as to what this update is even meant to like
Be about

Every update has something to it so what’s this one beyond spooky art clown

[lean garden]

well it's definitely going to invite more fear that CoH

not because of the clown but because you cant kill the follie that follows

[restive river]

Yeah lmao

[fast dew]

I. Im not sure its really connected at all

[lean garden]

many horror games can transform into action games the moment your gun works

[fast dew]

Given the placement

[fast dew]

Classic Doom:
-# cept its the music

[restive river]

It could be!

It being specifically after chains is curious

[midnight ice]

smth smth follie = similar to "folie" / french for madness (see: folie à deux)

[topaz pawn]

feels like it's just gonna be recovering a lost Warframe + maaaaybe something about the lost relays

[midnight ice]

yeah, specifically why after the og horror quest?

[restive river]

After the WALLY quest too

It could be some more early setup for him

[midnight ice]

with the ability id assumed she was post everything herebefore

[restive river]

Nothing too major maybe

[midnight ice]

oooo

[fast dew]

Yk its. Kinda funny for a arc all about wally and Albrecht, we. Didn't see Albrecht all of last year

Not even once 💔

[lean garden]

separately, gear earned in TOP will be beneficial

[midnight ice]

in 1799 on a beach under an umbrella in his jorts and sipping 18th century cocktails

[lean garden]

you see, no one gave a crap about operator movespeeds and hp

[fast dew]

Oh so pure ethanol

[lean garden]

well now that you have to run around with paint cans...

[fast dew]

I should draw Albrecht on a beach

Maybe next summer

.. in December because summer is in December

[lean garden]

point at the southern hemispherian and laugh!

[fast dew]

I could do it on dogdays actually

[fast dew]

At least the summer school holidays makes sense here

Good lord its weird to me that yall dont have the long school holiday at Christmas

You also start your school year in like. Half way through

America is weird.

[tall echo]

Cold shrinks stuff

[fast dew]

[tall echo]

The entire upper half of earth*

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/guh-gif-25116077

[tall echo]

Really?

[fast dew]

Man I thought it was just America

[tall echo]

Australians are weird

[lean garden]

nah Im with thomas here, the school year for everyone except for the uni students starts at the start of the year

Im pretty sure the only reason why our unis dont do that is to match with the weirdos who start the year in august