lore-discussion

[fast dew]

He wasn't working with the hex in the year 1999, the stuff that happened, happened before then

[glass sluice]

i do have a bit of a suspicion that the bulk of his "plans" are just throwing stuff behind him to slow down wally so he can get away for a little while longer. He might have a long term destination, but 🤷‍♀️

[fast dew]

That. Is apart of it yeah

Its to give himself time

Thats part of the reason he left to 1999

[drowsy saddle]

What if the reason Harrow has the crucis helm is because albrecht spontaneously appeared in ancient times as the Mighty Jimmy

[fast dew]

It was incredibly hard for wally to breach 1999

[glass sluice]

which in my mind explains the protoframes. Something to slow down wally and maybe it was at wally's request to make them, as another experiment.

[restive lantern]

He's literally referred to by roathe as a cult leader lmfao not saying his a reliable source of information but it shows how people feel about him. He's just the man with the plan, trust me bro

[fast dew]

He. Does have a plan

[restive river]

Well he specifically did equations and came to the specific conclusion he needed to go to 1999

[fast dew]

Why do you think we're going to tau?

Random alchemy symbols

[restive river]

We don’t know why he’s done most of what he’s done other than it’s to stop Wally

[glass sluice]

his beanie baby collection just wasnt cutting it in orokin times

[fast dew]

Somehow coming to the end that. 1999 is important

[restive lantern]

I agree its extremely vague

[restive river]

Seriously though his actions are purposeful

[glass sluice]

well, he says its to stop wally

[restive river]

What he does is vague but def is purposeful

[strange plinth]

convo moved on i think but i was looking for this
this + two pages with "Your Humble Servant" and "My Dear Major" + albrecht apparently giving Scaldra the location of the Hex so that they'd take a dose of whatever's in the syringes he left them is all of his scaldra collaboration in the comic

[fast dew]

He isnt just throwing shit at the wall anymore

[restive river]

He’s been past that

[fast dew]

Hes being polite to her i feel. I could see them being tolerant of each other

[glass sluice]

i honestly dont trust that his assumed reason is the right one, until we find out for sure.

[fast dew]

But yeah, giving them the hex's location. Mm

[strange plinth]

he calls it a "field test" apparently

[fast dew]

I mean, there isnt really much else that explains it. His notes do, which is the closest to the truth we will ever get with him as its not intended ever for us to read them, Loid believes so, drifter does too

[drowsy saddle]

He's still in the transition period between orokin morality and actually morals

[fast dew]

Tbf testing them when they're possibly really fragile makes sense

[glass sluice]

well, drifter can believe it, but drifter can also call him a liar over and over

as mine does

it seems a little convenient that he managed to get away from what is essentially Cthulhu.

[fast dew]

I also do believe his actions speak louder than words, and you mightve missed it if you didn't play isleweaver and operation eightclaw, he is actively giving Thrax tools to fight wally, along with the courtiers from his time there

[glass sluice]

i play the game, yes

a difference of opinion doesnt mean that someone just knows less.

[restive lantern]

It gives me war on terror vibes low-key, like this threat but no one can handle it but me, big smart boy with a plan. Ignore literally everything we did to get there tho. Like this is an actual threat tho but we have no idea the extent of how correct al is. We don't know if he tries to get help from others that the world will freaking end.

[fast dew]

..what

Dude I don't know if you played certain operations or not

I ain't your brain, I dont have your memories

[strange plinth]

isleweaver isn't a huge thing, i feel like that's fair to account for missing

[fast dew]

Ive been playing warframe too and I avoid whole ass gamemodes and operations

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/the-simpsons-homer-exiting-uncomfortable-leaving-now-gif-14492345

im uh, im going to go now.
c'yall around

[restive lantern]

Probably the safest route lmfao

Bye rivens! Be safe! 💕🙏🏽

[fast dew]

Anyways. Yeah, he is actively fighting against Wally

Giving Thrax tools and teaching him [and drifter!] About how wally works and functions, and what he is

Thrax wouldn't know what a strand of khra is without Albrecht

[restive lantern]

Just like don't even care how you talk to ppl smh lmfao

[fast dew]

Yeah its almost as if im autistic and I don't have the same social inhibitions

People when autistic people show autistic traits

[mental herald]

Why is there no corpus thrax

[spice wedge]

so how much that zariman ship will stay there stuck .

[restive lantern]

Being autistic or neurodivergent is not an excuse to be a jerk and is rather insulting to say actually but whatever

[restive lantern]

It's kinda like part of the void now?

[strange plinth]

i'm still unsure of how/why the hex were involved
that's my biggest issue with him, i think. what's up with the protos
i can see the motivation behind the triad, sorta. get an orokin out of the system that keeps them that way and give them a common trait with two people
but what's with the hex?

[strange plinth]

its plugging the hole in the albrecht membrane, there's not a lot that can be done to move it

[mental herald]

Because in the lore that is when things change from our world to their world atleast that's what I get

[fast dew]

Mm. I can see him not liking what he did to the hex. He knows its not. The greatest. He laments about how he won't be able to tell them anything comforting other than this is what must happen.

I do wonder if it was maybe a test run for something, or if he did plan for them to actually fight wally

Which.

[spice wedge]

Ah so it's a gateway between void and orokin system got it.

[fast dew]

Maybe thats what it is

[restive lantern]

I always assumed it had something to do with the infestations and needing them for something but thinking about it that doesn't make sense bc Eleanor- but maybe that's the benefit of her being a frame that she's still with us still at all

[fast dew]

He knew wally would eventually get in 1999, making them to. Protect that part of the timeline

He probably planned to serve as bait in 1999 since the first trip

I do think the timeline is. A bit weird regarding the hex and triad

[blissful merlin]

Night chat

https://tenor.com/view/goodnight-drillbit-infested-drillbit-on-lyne-infested-on-lyne-gif-1806267179180460097

[restive lantern]

Goodnight 🫡💙

[fast dew]

I believe its

Making of the hex
Time spent as Cardinal Dimanche with Marie and Lyon
back to 1999 for more shenanigans
quick trip back to real time, kidnap Roathe and let him do what that is, allow Marie and Lyon to transform themselves
back to 1999 permanently

And the roundtable fit maybe before or after the triad

[dark compass]

With time travel it may as well be done in like a couple minutes for the main time period

[fast dew]

True

[rich surge]

Hi I have a slight question to ask , in which timeline was the orb mothers made is it before or after the old war and if warframe where made after the old war

[strange plinth]

the orbs are a recent thing, i believe, though they use older (Sentient) tech
the warframes were made during the old war

[pure onyx]

guise what's a place where i can catchup to warframe lore, like i just got to the part where ||THE OPERATOR EXISTS, I'M A HUMAN?|| and i feel like a 5yo that just gained consciousness, i wasnt paying much attention bfore, and i wanna know what's going on a bit more going forward

[strange plinth]

there's not a ton before that, tbf
i'd recommend replaying Heart of Deimos (as that's a continuing plot point) and Natah (Origins of the Lotus and some important detail on Hunhow), but otherwise, you probably haven't missed much

The Second Dream is the first big narrative quest, and it'll only go up from there

[barren jasper]

you are basically at the start of the lore reveals

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

-# the chat was too quiet i had to make a loud entrance

[dire mountain]

I know I'm late but isn't that just an Orokin thing? Orokin hair has always kinda had that afaik, I don't think it's exclusive to the Entrati. Albrecht is the outlier though but he's always been an outlier I suppose

[strange turtle]

You can go on the Orokin Archives website to check the quest transcripts, but I’d recommend avoiding summaries and lore videos as they’re often coloured by the maker’s very personal interpretations or theories

[strange turtle]

But to put it simply.

You’re playing a Tenno, a member of an elite (skillwise) warrior caste who served the Orokin, titular ruling caste of the Orokin Empire.

The Orokin Empire messed the Origin System up pretty bad, and wanted a new home to colonise and exploit. They chose the Tau system. One small issue, Warframe as a setting is very grounded in one particular aspect - Planetary/System Scale and Interstellar FTL. The main and reliable method is creating Solar Rails, which you need to already be able to get to the other end to make.

So even though it goes against their rules, they create the Sentients, Intelligent constructs specialised for adaptation, to cross the gap between systems, and build the other end of the Rail and the inbetween points. When these reach Tau they realise “damn I like this place, I don’t want then to destroy it” and end up rebelling

In the meantime, the Orokin get impatient and make more attempts, the Zariman Project. You’ll learn more later, for now all you need to know is that it ultimately failed and you were one of the children on the Zariman 10-0, a Void-Jump capable colony ship that failed it’s jump to Tau. How you got your powers from this is another thing you’ll learn about

After the Zariman, the Tenno were put into foster care/therapy with the Archimedean (scholar/scientist caste, seemingly second only to the Orokin) Margulis. It was discovered that you had “void-saturated DNA” and a number of powers, one of which was Transference (what we do to pilot warframes) initially used for their therapy.

Warframes were in development around this time and the Old War (Sentients vs Orokin) was in full swing. The Sentients could hack and disable or take over the Orokin’s advanced tech, so they had to resort to simple stuff and biotech.

There were issues with controlling the Warframes, but during an incident a scientist discovered that the Tenno could do Transference with a Warframe and calm them down, working with/controlling them.

So they got enlisted and became the Tenno that we know. At some point, Margulis tried to protect them and was executed, this becoming one of the prior motivators for the Tenno’s rebellion against the Empire after the Old War, beginning during the “Night of the Naga Drums” celebration they were getting awarded at

Afterwards they went to sleep for a thousand years and woke up in the modern Origin System, aka the actual game and story

[twin wigeon]

actually we eep for an undisclosed amount of time

[strange turtle]

Nope

[twin wigeon]

we don't? its actually a 1000?

[strange turtle]

Not exactly 1000, but Varzia mentions it at some point so we know it’s somewhere in that ballpark

The ballpark being like, a couple decades or maybe centuries short or over of said thousand years

[twin wigeon]

i need that kind of eep

[fast dew]

Same

Shit would be heavenly

[loud oriole]

I'd still wake up tired

[twin wigeon]

thats what the second dream's for /j

[radiant pier]

quick question, if I choose to drifter, is my operator in the void reliving the zariman incident for all eternal

already finished the quest

[strange turtle]

No

They already got out of it

They were in the actual Zariman

In the table scene I mean

[smoky gulch]

Regarding Zariman: Yonta has those weird motion quirks; are they described during story?

[twin wigeon]

motion quirks?

[smoky gulch]

Rapid movements, untypical to other NPCs

[twin wigeon]

could just be her animation

[fast dew]

Oh no she's just like that

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-yonta-archimedean-tenno-orokin-gif-383880801649958622

This one?

[smoky gulch]

Yep

[fast dew]

Yeah shes just like that

Shes silly :]

Motion capture i feel

[smoky gulch]

Kinda inattentive-type ADHD style, especially with her being half-present, her mind being constantly away

[fast dew]

Oh i can absolutely see that

Most Archimedians are probably some form of neurodivergent

[drowsy saddle]

At this point i feel like the A in ADHD stands for Archimedian

[fast dew]

Takes a special kind of person to fixate on a singular topic so hard that you end up with it being your literal caste

[smoky gulch]

Wouldn't be the first time DE uses neuroatypicality to characterise

[twin wigeon]

pretty sure she confirms she has anxiety issues, especially as a teenager

[strange plinth]

skittergirl's around for a reason

[fast dew]

I am. 89% sure the entire entrati family are neurodivergent

Cept for like. Grandma

[fast dew]

She's so real for this

[smoky gulch]

Grandmother just knows how to mask with neurotypical people, others were in privileged position where their eccentric behaviour was accepted as part of rich behaviour

[fast dew]

Oh, oh no

Not at all, grandmother is the most normal out of them for orokin standards

The entrati family were weird for the orokin

[smoky gulch]

That's for sure that she's the most normal

[fast dew]

They uh. Seem to be monogamous, which is abnormal for orokin

They all have the weird fixations of bones

Daughter is. Super weird about dissecting fish

Mother is borderline personified, except its probably autism

Albrecht has his whole

Voice thing going on, along with other autistic traits

Son is. Son

[smoky gulch]

On side note: I really love how Grandmother has accessories reminiscent of a flapper

This really accents her refusal to conform and archaic mannerisms with style

[strange turtle]

Grandma’s just normal divergent

(With Albrecht being, idk hyperdivergent and neurodivergent)

[fast dew]

Shes orokin weird not. 'I made a copy of my skull's lover and stuck it on a copy of him' weird

[pale cedar]

I wonder who the most Orokin Orokin is

[fast dew]

Nihil

[drowsy saddle]

Grandma is like, the one stable person in the gaggle of idiots

I mean look at dagath, she got her to hold her horses

[fast dew]

Shes the straight man in a farce

[drowsy saddle]

-# please god someone catch the horses and stable pun

[fast dew]

That was a delightful pun

[strange turtle]

Drifter held their horses, bur unfortunately lost their marbles despite it, along with all their other toys

Even started talking to a doll

[fast dew]

Well speak foe yourseld

[restive lantern]

Oh yeah dats why I said in a later message the orokin are probably just culture vultures on top of everything else

[ocean geyser]

The orokin are vultures in every way besides literally
Besides maybe Karishh

[drowsy saddle]

Culture vulture makes "Not like Us" play in my head

[ocean geyser]

LMAO

[strange turtle]

Karishh was like, a culture whale shark

[fast dew]

Whale sharks are cool

[strange turtle]

Opening the chasm that is his mouth to steal a thousand recipes and preparation methods

[fast dew]

BAH

[azure jasper]

How Orokin is Roathe in thr scale of Most Orokin Orokin?

He's definitely not at the top, because he acknowledged the faults, but at the same time he didn't exactly avoid their traits entirely, either.

[silk atlas]

Well Roathe makes it pretty clear that Ballas, one of the Executors, the group Roathe mentions is "the worst of the worst" wasn't all that bad in comparison to the rest of the Seven, so Roathe likely was child's play even compared to that.

[azure jasper]

True. He'd probably be on the lower end of the scale, then. If a 1-10, maybe a 3?

[long quiver]

i wonder when DE is going to give alad V the teshin treatment and give him a proper intro. For the life of me (i started playing again last year) i cannot remember where else this guy has shown up except in second dream and the new war

[rugged parcel]

He has a cutscene when you enter Jupiter the first time now iirc
Amalgums

[ocean geyser]

Yeah but his first introduction was the Gradvius dilemma, no?

[long quiver]

really? i think i got somewhere up to uranus in like 2023, then quit, so i have no idea when that was added

[ocean geyser]

And the amalgam stuff is post-Natah

Not really an intro

I know funny man Pablo is working on trying to embed old operations and the like into the star chart

So we’ll see this happen eventually

Cause at the beginning, Corpus and Grineer were more rivals than flat out enemies, no?

[fast dew]

He hated them, and did not wish to be immortal. Hes around 2/10

[lean garden]

when they eventually figure out how to get events into the star chart

a good chunk of his shit were in events

because he was a smarmy bugger who got into everyones business

which goes even further in my crackpot theory that Alad V is either Scarne or Tormis

[fast dew]

Please don't let it be Tormis

I really, really find it interesting

That ballas somehow wasnt the worst, in Roathe's opinion

Like. Least bad

The hell did Avantus do

[lean garden]

I think the important thing to clarify here is the Roathe isnt saying that Ballas was the most tame of the Seven

he just wasnt ranked number 1 out of 7 for "Assholes who rule everything"

Because right after Roathe says Ballas was "outclassed by his peers" he immediately tells you its Nitohk that's the worse

So like, Ballas can rank anywhere from 2 to 7 in terms of asshats running the system

[fast dew]

I do hold onto the hope Avantus wasnt. That bad

No clue why

[lean garden]

and even then its just a difference by "the barests of hairs [roathe] splits"

[fast dew]

Last i checked she was just mean to grineer, something thats.

Not uncommon for orokin daughter

[strange turtle]

3 to 7, since it’s peers and not peer

[lean garden]

nah, the sentence would feel awkward if he had said "outclassed by his peer"

because it would sound like he had only one peer among the seven

instead of 6

because he had 6

[strange turtle]

Then a different wording would be used

If they wanted to refer to a singular one of the peers outclassing him

[lean garden]

I mean, thats why roathe had the whole follow up right after saying that

Roathe only ever elaborated how bad a singular executor was after that

[strange turtle]

But it’s plural, so there has to have been at least two Roathe would say were worse

[lean garden]

Maybe

Im not too inclinded on that position since they never expounded on that one other

much like how Albrecht is supposed to have a flock we dont know of

because of the same singular/plural issue

DE hire me and I will crawl through the KIM for Lore parity with your internal lore dossier

[last jackal]

i think it’s scary that there were high ranking orokin that were EVEN WORSE than him

[fast dew]

Roathe has a pattern of this, then

[fast dew]

Heh. Dead children.

[lean garden]

"even" is pushing it

[fast dew]

[lean garden]

roathe himself says "slightly"

[lean garden]

the real reason why Roathe wanted to remake the Empire: because he keeps confusing his singulars and plurals

[fast dew]

What a dumbass jeez Roathe

[tall echo]

bit extreme solution, but fits for a blue skin

[waxen mesa]

watching duiviri paradox again i noticed something. that being I think we witness the Drifter escaping from apathy

Duviri starts out grey with there being color around the natah hand beacon. as you progress further in the quest there seems to be more and more color

that reminds me though. At the time of Duviri Paradox Drifter has no idea what a warframe is, right?

[tall echo]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-gif-3191941303944791684

[waxen mesa]

i don't speak gif

idk what that means.

[restive river]

Yeah that’s what their story is about

Also yes they don’t know what a Warframe is, they wouldn’t since those didn’t exist until after the Zariman Incident
Even during they wouldn’t know what they actually are

[waxen mesa]

but does Drifter know what a kavat is

[twin wigeon]

they have kexats

[waxen mesa]

kexat

[twin wigeon]

kexat

they have krubies too

[waxen mesa]

😨

[twin wigeon]

kexat and krubies are kavat and kubrow equivalents

[restive river]

Yes they would know what those are

[waxen mesa]

but does Drifter know what tax exemption status is

[restive river]

Even aside from that Kavats and Kubrows existed before that lol

[restive river]

Depends if taxes existed but they probably wouldn’t since when they were part of the empire they were a kid

[waxen mesa]

i always understood Kavats to be an orokin pet

so Drifter might have never seen a kavat before

[restive river]

There are kavat stickers on the Zariman but ok

[waxen mesa]

a real kavat

maybe Drifter thought kavats were fictional because they've only ever heard the name and images before

[restive river]

Have you ever seen an elephant? a rhino? You still know they exist :p

[waxen mesa]

i have seen both

[restive river]

They weren’t that dumb of a kid

Also that’s not how kids work

[waxen mesa]

maybe drifter was dumb

you don't know they weren't

[restive river]

Children often times believe that fictional creatures are real

[waxen mesa]

I had an uncle who thought narwhals were fictional

[restive river]

Drifter was learning advanced sciences :p

[waxen mesa]

advanced to us

[restive river]

Yes, to us

[waxen mesa]

back in the day i'm sure things like gravity were considered advanced knowledge

then education improves and it becomes common

this is a stupid conversation. i am offically done with it

[restive river]

I don’t think it changes the fact that the likelihood of them thinking kavats are fictional is very low

Lmao

[waxen mesa]

back to what i actually want to talk about. Kubrows. what is their place in society

have we ever seen kubrows in the context of orokin society?

[restive river]

I wanna say really good guard dog

[waxen mesa]

they had to have existed if they are in Duviri but like.

[strange turtle]

Hunting dogs

[waxen mesa]

aint no kubrows walking around orokin derelicts

we also have a kavat warframe but no kubrow warframe

[strange turtle]

Prized for its ability to sneak up on unsuspecting prey, the Huras Kubrow were first used as hunting companions by the Orokin elite. Orokin Era Tenno soon adapted the strain for use in covert missions and assassinations.

[restive river]

Voruna, kinda

[waxen mesa]

Voruna uses ghosts

[lean garden]

they used to be actual doggos

[restive river]

I mean more accurately they’re the literal heads of her companions

[waxen mesa]

used to

[restive river]

They’re still very much alive, just heads tho

[waxen mesa]

not currently. gimme a borkframe

[strange turtle]

Designed by the Orokin to be the perfect companion, a Kubrow was never far from its master's side. Loyal and obedient, these creatures made ideal bodyguards. Equipped with shield generators for added protection, their fierce growl could paralyze any attacker with fear.

A clever accomplice, trained to relieve the enemy of both their weapons and their loot caches.

Enterprising Orokin genetic designers recognized that the Kubrow's affinity for games of fetch could be used for more serious endeavors. They soon developed a strain adept at reconnaissance and contraband recovery. Tenno often used the creatures to help resupply while in the field.

Sunika: Once the value of Orokin guard-pets had been realized, Orokin scientists began experimenting with strains designed for combat. These were no longer household pets but superior war animals bred for ferocity and aggression.

[restive river]

I’d prefer they try something new like a falconeer frame then do an exalted kubrow tbh

[strange turtle]

These are from the different species descriptions

[restive river]

But why they got bat noses

[waxen mesa]

to smell you better with

[restive river]

It would be neat to have a kubrow that can echolocate or something

[waxen mesa]

we need a pet that can track down those forma containers

[restive river]

I wanna say you can do that with golden instinct

[waxen mesa]

no....no you can't

[restive river]

Dang ):

[waxen mesa]

technically it's how the ability works but.....no....

[restive river]

I mean it’s meant to find stuff, just don’t know if it specifically finds those too

Which probably not

[waxen mesa]

so you know how that one lander highlights stuff?

[restive river]

Same thing for Follie’s lost child summon

[waxen mesa]

well that's not even remotely how golden instinct works

[restive river]

Oh right it works like the zariman kids

[waxen mesa]

golden instinct's spark lasts like. 2 seconds

and unless you are working on negative range it's going to tell you nothing

other then there is something somewhere in the general direction

[restive river]

Orokin Eye reigns supreme once again

So basically they gave Follie a buffed golden instinct that’s still on a long cooldown

Aside from her lack of ability to break things quickly she might be good for looking for items like medallions

[wind egret]

I have a question:
Kaya, in Archimedia, says that the Techrot appears in every single timeline.

However, the techrot was placed there by Albrecht.

Albrecht was only able to place it there because he had the Infestation from the Old War

The Infestation, however, arose from the Techrot.

How does it arise when it's origin is paradoxical to begin with?

Furthermore, in the infinity of infinite timelines of infinite possibilities of infinite timelines, there exists at least one timeline in which the Sentients win. If they win, then how would Albrecht go back in time to place the Techrot?

I feel there's something I'm missing.

[silk atlas]

"Techrot was placed the-"

That is not correct. It was already a problem before he got there.

[wind egret]

Oh so it's just fundamentally incorrect, got it

Any clue how it got there?

[silk atlas]

Nothing mentioned in any lore, just it was one of the first major outbreaks

[wind egret]

I should read the wiki more
"Intercepted e-mails between the music agency HitMaker Music and a Director from the Höllvanian government reveal that the Techrot has existed since at least the year 1997..."

"In his own vigil against the Indifference, the Orokin scientist Albrecht Entrati would travel back to the year 1998..."

[waxen mesa]

Techrot is probably some ancient disease that's just highly adaptable or something

[silk atlas]

"Ancient" doesn't mean much when 2000 would be "ancient" from Warframe's modern time's perspective

[waxen mesa]

techrot doesn't exist in modern times as it's evolved into the infestation. don't even hit me with that "different names for the same thing" thing. Infestation might have came from techrot but they are clearly different things

calling techrot and infestation the same thing is like calling a chicken and a trex the same animal

[silk atlas]

They're not the same thing but the difference here is that the Infested and Techrot are connected to each other, and from the Infested's perspective it's just another part of it.

It's like how there's the Grey and Helminth strains and whatnot

[restive lantern]

They absolutely are connected, you talk about it with Eleanor in her KIM chats

[waxen mesa]

yes but they aren't the same exact thing

[restive lantern]

Source; kim.browse. wf/flowcharts_svg/en/EleanorDialogue_rom.dialogue/EleanorRank2Convo1.svg

Throughout this conversation you refer to the Infestation that Eleanor. You talk about how you have seen its consume entire moons, directly relating techrot and the Infestation.

Eleanor is actually the one to call it techrot

[silk atlas]

Of course, but also it's not that they're that different. At least no more than just some old strain that was lost somehow

[restive lantern]

Yes this ^^^

Like the wiki directly says Eleanor found an example of The Infestation and she dubs it the techrot. It seems like very close to be the same thing.

[normal mountain]

<@&778745217037238293>

[strange turtle]

Follies what

[restive river]

It’s one of the things she can make

[pale cedar]

You should read the wiki less it’s not a very good source for lore plus it has the issue of outdated info due to 2 Wiki’s existing

[wind egret]

Then where do I go to research things? I love this game but it'll take way too long to search out all of these sources by hand...

[pale cedar]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/

[wind egret]

A great source, but there's still a bit that was missing from it iirc

[pale cedar]

Well it’s only run by one person

It’s way more accurate than the wiki

[silk atlas]

If it's not direct quotes and transcripts, take the wiki with a grain of salt

[wind egret]

Noted, ty all!

Another question, if I may: why does Wally target Duviri, specifically? I get the undercroft being close to the origin system, but what about isleweaver- why isleweaver?

[pale cedar]

“They ousted me from my city so I found a kingdom to rule”

[wind egret]

Isnt that not Neci though? Isn't that just Wally using her as a puppet?

[fast dew]

Yeah the owner's like. A cancer researcher or smthn so they've been pretty busy recently

[strange turtle]

Duviri has the secret of where the original Finger is, at least Wally believes it does

“Look at it, this edifice of guilt. He knew what he did. What he took."

"This is where he stowed it away. The secret of my lost flesh. Not lost. Stolen."

[wind egret]

I don't know how to reply other than: Wow, that's really impressive! Hope they're doing well

[wind egret]

Oohh

[pale cedar]

It was Wally the whole time in 1999 so the quote is Wally saying he saw Hollvania as his city

[fast dew]

Yeah GreyArchon is super cool

[strange turtle]

Gray*

https://tenor.com/view/necrozma-ultra-z-move-light-that-burns-the-sky-pokemon-gif-9968253874345458822

[ocean geyser]

Doesn’t mean that much

[tall echo]

groy

[ocean geyser]

It’s probably just Neci’s personality bleeding off into Wally
You need to understand that Wally wanted 1999 too

So
Isleweaver is his and Neci’s revenge, in a sense

[dark compass]

The murmur with massive lips

She definitely left a mark

[ocean geyser]

😭

Yeah that one’s
Something

[strange turtle]

Wally possesses a woman. Immediately starts coming on to people and making weird Murmur
What did DE mean by this

[pale cedar]

Probably the new unit they added in Isleweaver though it is still a weird comment when Murmur we already had aren’t exactly normal

[strange turtle]

…its the one that was being talked about

[ocean geyser]

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1470887323351781668

This is one hell of a post
Im trying to think of the lore repercussions of choices like this even being available

[strange plinth]

yea that sure is a post
sounds like they should play something else ngl

[strange turtle]

They sound like high as a kite doesn’t even come close

“Why do I feel like we’re being forced to play hero”

https://tenor.com/view/how-do-we-tell-him-mr-krabs-spongebob-meme-spongebob-meme-gif-24063814

[strange plinth]

the game's in a grimdark or grimdark-adjacent setting, that's kinda the point

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah im fairly sure the whole point of warframe is "The world is cruel, so we must be kind"

[raw knoll]

About the grineer - do they actually have non-grineers under their boot, or do they just purge everything everywhere they go?

[old wharf]

How do I truly kill the Tenno?

They have lost their way.

From honorable to flying around in the open with pregnant people.

[dark compass]

What if those pregnant people have the firepower of a fighter jet

One could argue that this is child endangerment, but we kind of already blew all the standards regarding that out

[ashen pulsar]

the child is a warframe

[dark compass]

And we are also a child in a warframe

Child endangerment combo counter

[ashen pulsar]

both of us don’t get endangered easily

but yes

[dark compass]

You try confronting Lotus about child endangerment and she'll send her child to fight you for the right to stay

[ashen pulsar]

“I don’t like having a constructed story, this FREE game should be recoded to let me do whatever I want because I want to be a horrible person to this game’s world and to other people who play this game”

[dark compass]

But my freedom of choice

[ashen pulsar]

they chose to play this game

this game has a premade story, it’s not a dnd campaign like they’re comparing it to

[strange plinth]

they prolly drank the kuva at the end of TWW

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/crunch-cat-luna-eat-gif-3997701764820700221

The tasty vial

[ashen pulsar]

the devs can’t just adapt the whole game to whatever a few players feel like

[dark compass]

Call me a Torid godroll the way I slurped up all my Kuva supply

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/kuva-riven-warframe-meme-warframe-meme-gif-5273051763741474746

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/kuva-nuke-kuva-nuke-kuva-warframe-warframe-gif-11532581252391101624

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/another-easy-steal-gif-4144358189127712325

[strong viper]

After reading all that, me too

[strong viper]

Oh thank

[strong viper]

Fair

[midnight ice]

reading this like the worst morning paper ive seen. good morning

[fast dew]

Literally oh my god

[midnight ice]

thank god DE never capitulates to these kinds of people during writing

[lean garden]

nobledark RAAAAAAH

[fast dew]

I love opening up lore discussion to my morning paper

[ocean geyser]

You’re welcome everyone 👍

[fast dew]

Thank you Darumaka

[lean garden]

darumaka how many choice bands you want

[restive river]

Careful with the wiki, I recommend to always fact check their sources
The Orokin Archives are much better overall for lore

[ocean geyser]

As goofy as the topic is I honestly like seeing everyone yapping here
It makes me go “:)”

[ocean geyser]

Yes

[fast dew]

Its nice when folk aren't arguing, which. Even then I don't particularly mind, its interesting to see others perspectives. Except for when they're wrong

[wind egret]

May I use it for game mechanics, at least?

[fast dew]

Factually wrong, not a wrong perspective

[restive river]

Hey am I crazy or does Follie’s 2 not make sense? Lore-wise I mean
Not the actual functionality of her 2 but the fact she can make things she shouldn’t know about
Primarily the thermia RPG and the lost child from the Zariman (unless this is explained as it being some remnant of her own tenno or something)

[fast dew]

I should specify that

[restive river]

Yes it is perfect for those

[midnight ice]

"we are in a set story with a set personality" really shows in kim when my drifter would offer corny selections of things to say and i whack her with a magazine before choosing

[fast dew]

Literally

[restive river]

We can choose pieces of our backstory but Drifter is still Drifter

[fast dew]

Me being forced to disagree with Roathe about wally

[restive river]

And Drifter doesn’t seem to be a good person

[lean garden]

I think that entirely depends on what's going down with follie

[midnight ice]

maybe some other tenno told her about it. "so its a tube, right, and at the other end is a bomb, and when you pull the trigger the bomb fires— yes, yes, like an ogris, but"

[fast dew]

Shh dont say that, people wont be able to handle it

[restive river]

Me being forced to use incorrect terminology because my personal theories don’t match the options

[restive river]

True but she is a post-chains frame specifically so I am doubting that she relates much to say, 1999

[wind egret]

I think that what follie can draw is linked to what the operator has seen since we, yk, control her

Then again I've had 3 theories disproven so I may be speaking out of turn

[lean garden]

I mean, I make sure mine is, cuz yknow, being a doodoohead isnt nice

[lean garden]

nah, we have no idea whats up with follie rn

[restive river]

Ok but uh. How?
Thermia RPGs aren’t a thing like
At all in this time period

[fast dew]

Least Roathe likes to shut down people who think other dumb shit, i can appreciate that

[strange plinth]

no, that's one of my biggest concerns w/ her
(disregarding balance which i hope is tweaked before release lol)
a third of the stuff she can summon can't be encountered before you can get her

[restive lantern]

NGL my drifter would never be sexist to Aoi tho 💔 I hate some of the options too

[lean garden]

but if shes tagged to wally, she'd be able to know what the rpg is

[wind egret]

"I think"
Ofc we won't know until shadowgrapher

[restive river]

Operator hasn’t seen a thermia rpg tho (ofc Drifter can tell them about it)
But I can see that being a explainatjon

[ocean geyser]

Pretty sure all we’ve got about Follie is “funny woman”

[lean garden]

I mean "nah" as in "nah youre not speaking out of turn" mb

[fast dew]

Sad clown

I love clowns

[restive river]

Honestly, I hope she is
I was theorizing she might be the day before the stream

[wind egret]

Oh, it's fine, sorry I'm a lil defensive rn

[ocean geyser]

Exceptionally artistic mime

[restive river]

Also her 2 is very conceptual embodiment
Like
Yeah sure lemme just make something out of nothing real quick lol

[fast dew]

Most mimes are some form of artist

[drowsy saddle]

Surprising tbh, why haven't Vox Solaris made Thermia Landmines and IEDs

[midnight ice]

operator doing the head in hands thing when we explain the thermia rpg

[midnight ice]

REAL

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t they draw some crazy ass art on the dev stream

[lean garden]

DE makes 2 horror modes, both are related to Wally

Meanwhile that one contrarian: Wally isnt evil guys

[restive river]

Art would probably be the best way to “control” conceptual embodiment as it marries emotions and concepts into a somewhat more controllable form

[restive river]

LMAO

[wind egret]

Wait... Would Xaku be tagged by Wally?

[drowsy saddle]

Steve made a bowl of stinky bananas

[restive river]

No

[ocean geyser]

I think Xaku’s just a natural void frame

[fast dew]

I do think Follie acts very. Infantile? Childish. And I think it could be similar to what happened to Rell

[restive lantern]

Well to be fair something being scary doesn't mean it's evil

[ocean geyser]

As in the raw void kind of just smushed them together

[strange plinth]

if the stuff gets reskinned, then it wouldn't exactly be a thermian rpg, and then it wouldn't be as big of an issue
lohk surges and the uhhh child that finds things could still be weird though

[restive river]

Likely conceptual embodiment from the lost frames
They’re driven by “void spirits” who are likely said lost frames!

[fast dew]

The wally isnt the void, but the void can allow wally to access shit

[restive river]

The void doesn’t do anything by itself like that, it needs a catalyst
Hence I posit CE via the lost

[ocean geyser]

Fair

[ocean geyser]

I feel like he’d want us to think he is the void
Hell that might even be his goal, eventually
Dude tryna claim everything

[restive river]

I can very easily see the lost frames emotions causing them to be forced together
All of them feeling lost and alone and then the void smashes em together and boom
Voidframe

[fast dew]

We still don't fully understand how wally works, or what allows him to pester people. Albrecht seemed to think that "No knowledge = safe", which does seem to kinda work

[ocean geyser]

Man imagine if he started raiding the Orokin Towers

[restive river]

I do think Roathe’s theory makes sense, anyone who’s had contact with the void

Or the fingers specifically ig

[ocean geyser]

Could he even mess with the Neural Sentry though

[restive river]

Which doesn’t really apply to Neci but she got got through the ARG anyway lol

[ocean geyser]

Hrmm

[midnight ice]

could be follie draws it up from our memories, which is why it's everything the drifter has encountered?

[strange plinth]

but Follie unlocks right after Chains of Harrow, we wouldn't know about any of those

[midnight ice]

the funniest answer is a DE employee was warframe'd

[midnight ice]

ah, mb, didnt realize the timeline its set in

[ocean geyser]

Actually I think it might have been someone drawing over it
I can’t really post it cause uh
Rules

[fast dew]

Yeah, which i agree with. Mother has interacted with void/wally, so she's at risk.

But. On this. I am unsure on how grandmother knows. She does seem to be.. not close, but aware of Albrecht's issues [she calls him by that name and that name alone] and Wally, which makes me wonder if her knowledge of wally made any of the entrati at risk, or if mother's exposure does

[restive lantern]

I don't think they are gonna keep it how we saw it tho because way too many people are complaining about it already and they did mention how it was going to be changed before release

[fast dew]

Its jarring to hear grandmother just use Albrecht so. Normally

Everyone usually avoids it

Its not the same with Roathe, she has this

[ocean geyser]

I feel like hearing someone say “rap tap tap” immediately turns on the monkey button in our brains

Like

[fast dew]

Conviction to her tone

[drowsy saddle]

Grandmother just calls wally a bad boy and he'll immediately fold and run away

[restive river]

When does Grandmother talk about Wally :?

[ocean geyser]

Post meeting with Loid

[fast dew]

Oh shit. Sorry thats a spoiler 😭

[restive river]

I hate it here 😭

[ocean geyser]

Wait did you not get there yet 😭

[restive river]

The system is still broken it should still be spoilery content

[ocean geyser]

Whoopsie

[fast dew]

Ducky got screwed by KIM 😭

[strange plinth]

"Kiddo" is more common and has a similar effect

[restive river]

No cause KIM is STILL broken

[ocean geyser]

Rip

[fast dew]

It. Is more functional if you have all convos on

[restive river]

I helped the family
I did isleweaver
None of that matters to Marie though, or rather, to my Drifter when talking to Marie!

[fast dew]

But i am unsure if thats the same anymore

[restive river]

I have had it on

[ocean geyser]

Me who hasn’t talked to the Triad at all 🔥

[fast dew]

Most recent hotfix borked a lot of shit

Somehow messing with Kaya

[restive river]

I was so excited for Marie and now she’s my least favorite proto probably and her kim convo hates me specifically ):

[restive lantern]

I have talked to them a bit but they are so boring to me compared to the hex

[restive river]

They’re not as well written

[restive lantern]

They did Marie dirty for reals

[restive river]

They’re more
Cardboard compared to the Hex I’d say

[fast dew]

Yeah because all the attention went to Roach

[midnight ice]

truthnuke

[restive river]

I hate the orokin
I hate the orokin
I hate the orokin

[restive lantern]

They were like think of a French nun. Okay that's it. Literally nothing else.

[ocean geyser]

I hear Lyon’s pretty well written

[fast dew]

I wanna skin him alive and make a lamp shade with his blue skin

[restive river]

It makes no sense for Drifter to date Roathe
He’s only datable cause Rebb likes him

[fast dew]

Literally

[drowsy saddle]

I want to mount his head on my landing craft like its a Sumdali

[restive river]

Which
Love ya Rebb
Why

[fast dew]

God

[midnight ice]

think of a french nun thats really beautiful and will be subject to boundless sexualization also write her flatter than a cardboard cutout. This surely is a good idea

[fast dew]

Its so. Tiresome

[restive lantern]

Ehhh I think that's fine tbh I don't think it's that bad

[restive river]

I am getting kinda worried, especially with seeing Follie in her current state

[fast dew]

She does offer good perspective for Albrecht and good disability rep, but thats literally it

[ocean geyser]

I find Marie’s voice irritating for some reason
Like
Like it feels like they told a random woman to use a French accent

[restive river]

The RPG can’t stay, if Wally isn’t involved with her then that is a plot hole.

[ocean geyser]

Does this make sense

[fast dew]

Which could've been done with literally any other protoframe and warframe strain in general

[ocean geyser]

To be fair her “current state” is the devs messing around

[restive river]

Yeah my partner says she sounds like someone trying to a french accent

[restive river]

Yeah ik, I’m just worried ):

[fast dew]

Should've had equinox serving as both Lyon and Marie

[midnight ice]

is Lyon subject to the same fault

[fast dew]

Lyon does feel a lil more real

[midnight ice]

PEAK?!

[restive river]

She hasn’t been able to talk to him cause she does not like talking to Marie!

[restive lantern]

I'm not that personally offended you can date Roathe. He's not for me but obviously a lot of people like him.

[restive river]

Yes let’s lock Lyon behind Marie
Yup

[midnight ice]

the duality themes! sol and lua! hot damn. we couldve had equinox rework AND proto

[midnight ice]

fair

[fast dew]

Finally a good Equinox skin

[restive river]

The issue is more so it’s insanely out of character for Drifter to date an Orokin

[fast dew]

God her deluxe sucks balls

[ocean geyser]

Equinox prime good
She looks like hot chocolate

[restive river]

Fun fact
The guy who made that skin also did Voruna deluxe!

[fast dew]

HA.

[restive lantern]

Not really.

[restive river]

I’m sorry do not let them cook

[fast dew]

Yeah I can see the pattern.

[restive river]

It is but aight

[fast dew]

Let liger do some

[fast dew]

"Let's date my oppressors!!"

[strange plinth]

> spends at least a year talking about how horrific the orokin are w/ the hex and roundtable
> dates one

[drowsy saddle]

"step on me harder"

[restive river]

Drifter knows who the Orokin are, they know what they’ve done, Operator has absolutely shared stories
It makes zero sense for Drifter to date him, redeem him? Sure but date him??? No.

[restive river]

EXACTLY

[restive lantern]

Your Drifter can actually say it's less of an "all orokin are bad" to them

[fast dew]

Like good god

[restive river]

But they kinda all are bad?

[fast dew]

Its so annoying to see it all thrown away

[restive river]

That’s
That’s the thing about the Orokin
Even when one is kinda good they still are just. The worst

[ocean geyser]

Evil blue guys

[restive river]

Grandmother is largely considered to be one of the best afaik and she’s still a bad person!

Even Daughter is racist and people love her

[fast dew]

"I like this slave owner more because he pays 2 cents more!" They're all dogshit

[restive river]

She does get over it but still

[restive river]

It’s so ridiculous omg 😭

[fast dew]

"Vat rat." Dont forget Roathe also does that

[restive river]

You ain’t Kahl’s brother if you’re dating Roathe

[fast dew]

Deadass

Xata nuke

[ocean geyser]

Realizing that we keep unracisting people

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/dog-true-eyes-dog-true-meme-dog-eyes-meme-gif-669697498800876669

[ocean geyser]

Amaryn (sort of)
Maybe Hunhow
Roathe
Kaelli
I mean it’s not surprising that we have to deal with that but goddamn

[fast dew]

Just a reminder that most orokin were slave owners. The entrati do seem to be different in that regard

[drowsy saddle]

People need to grasp the fact that "If Evil, why Hot" is ironic

[restive lantern]

Ehh I think it can be dangerous to lump everyone of a certain group together, all the orokin we have seen have been of a certain way. I think it makes sense for some Drifters to not hold it against all orokin.

[fast dew]

.... Roathe benefited off slave labour

Roathe is a horrible person

[ocean geyser]

We redeem him yes but
Good lord

[fast dew]

Just because he didn't like the orokin, doesn't make him any better

The grineer and dax are slaves. They have no choice and are bred into these roles.

[ocean geyser]

Unfortunately the best we have in regards to the Orokin are
Sucks
And sucks less

[fast dew]

They have a damn loyalty gene

[ocean geyser]

Mfw the Twin queens defeat people trying to reinstate the Orokin empire before doing the same stuff to their own troops

[fast dew]

So many people forget that a lot of these people seen as good are. Horrible

Ie Loid and his hand in what happened to the cavia

[ocean geyser]

Conditioned loyalty and everything bro 😭

[restive lantern]

Yeah I agree but I don't know if it always to all orokin as we obviously have only interacted with a handful.

As a societal structure? Yes.

[fast dew]

Its a very likely.

And we're talking about a singular orokin here

And he still is bad!!

benefits off slaves
uses slurs towards slaves

Like he isn't. A good person

And that line can happen redeemed or not iirc

[ocean geyser]

Hmm
Ngl I wonder if there’s any, if at all, an improvement between the Orokin and the Grineer empires
Do people even like
Serve the Grineer or do they just get killed

It seems like the Grineer sorta shoot everyone

[drowsy saddle]

They get put in the blender to make soylent green

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[drowsy saddle]

That or harvested for genes to stave off clone rot

They're stealin yer jeans!

[ocean geyser]

But like yeah
They shot Baro’s mom and uh
Probably decimated his whole civilization
Regularly beef with the Ostrons for
Some Reason™
they’ve only ever worked with us and the Corpus and even then they’re trying to kill the both of us at the same time

Kind of just seems like they prefer to kill everyone

[restive lantern]

Anyways while I don't like Roathe and wouldn't date him, I am not that upset you can date an orokin in general.

[strange plinth]

they're implied to have 'independant' colonies under them that they're not killing, iirc? but i don't think we ever see any

[lean garden]

its kinda bootleg, since their leaders are children of an orokin aristocrat(?)

So its like having kids of a rando who's not in charge try to redo an empire, but with significantly worse gear, and much less control

[fast dew]

Noo not my starched jeans

[lean garden]

the "improvement" would be their boots arent on everyones neck

[restive lantern]

I would actually love to know of any more orokin outside of stinky old Albert who turn their back on their way of life

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[strong viper]

Michael kirkbride situation

[strong viper]

Jfc how can i agree more

[midnight ice]

oh god i had such a visceral reaction to the word kirk that i thought you were talking about the other kirk and not the guy who wrote c0da

[restive lantern]

Me too 😭😭😭😭

[strong viper]

I meant coda lmfao

Ouch and oof ew

[midnight ice]

never forgetting c0da wtf was that all about

[strong viper]

Ummmm rebelling against his employers frankly

[fast dew]

You'd explode at the sight of kirks, as in the drink

Kirks creaming soda.....

[strong viper]

I'm an expert on it and never read it. Like your average nihilist professor on nietzche

[fast dew]

Nihilist.... nihil.....

Nihil mentioned

[strong viper]

Glassy

[midnight ice]

lotta kirkbride lore is like that. muatra is a genitalia joke

[fast dew]

God i love Nihil. My silly insane man

[strong viper]

Moreso than but that is one specific entendre

[fast dew]

He is. A horrible person

[strong viper]

Yes. We all drink from the milk of our fathers.

[midnight ice]

and also whatever it did to either molag bal or nerevar, i forgot

[fast dew]

He's a horrible evil man but

[strong viper]

Was. Lady N fixed him imo

[fast dew]

He's funny lowkey

[strong viper]

Hes smart

Call it what it is, he is smart. Tricky.

[fast dew]

He's orokin

[strong viper]

Was! Yes.

[fast dew]

Unapologetically orokin

He is still alive unfortunately

[strong viper]

In a vast manner as a roleplayer

[restive lantern]

But ppl liking Roathe is off limits for some reason lol

[strong viper]

Much better for monologues than roleplay

[fast dew]

I don't like him like that lmao

I personally want to cut him into pieces and throw him into the void

[strong viper]

I once did, but I have removed after trial of vivec and all

[fast dew]

But his design is fun

And I can say he is funny

[restive lantern]

You literally the other day talked at length how he was hot lmfaooo

[strong viper]

That was my only point, the design

[fast dew]

Too bad his weapon is dogwater

[strong viper]

And again, he wasnt well for a lot of the dogwater

[fast dew]

Yeah and I can say ballas is hot

[strong viper]

Ballas isnt hot

[fast dew]

Its literally just saying this person is hot

[restive lantern]

L M F A O

[strong viper]

Ballas is me if i worked less hard

[fast dew]

He appeals to my preferences =/= I want to date him

[strong viper]

Its not HOT

[midnight ice]

also cassius curio's whole thing. i really think we should get a morrowind remaster if only to get this lore to the surface. if only to get vivicky's sermons to the common rabbles! skyrim was an injustice to the depth of TES lore 0

[strong viper]

Valid tho

[fast dew]

Bluebrecht appeals to my preferences, I would never ever be anywhere close to dating him

I fully think if I ever flirted with Nihil id be murdered

[strong viper]

Yeah so quincy appeals to me as a dom and amir as a sub but I would never. Got me?

[fast dew]

Not even glassed, just murdered

[restive lantern]

Not his white as dreads look 😭💔

[strong viper]

Its elara and aoi, flirty friend on quincy, and a wtf investigation on Lettie's ratking complex

I just neg and shame amir now, itll be hard for him to explain his position

[restive lantern]

I like amir 💙

[strong viper]

That doesnt extend to me and Ceph here, lmao

[restive lantern]

I like them all actually it's painful

[strong viper]

Thats just how Moon sees things. Naturalist

Same. It is kinda painful, the way nostalgia is

[restive lantern]

Even Arthur! Who I was shocked I ended up being fond of!

[strong viper]

Arthur is a hidden gem just not my cuppa. But game see game

When i learned he could sing that hit me

[restive lantern]

The square spaghetti got me LMFAO

[fast dew]

Idk him being a binge drinker throws me off

[strong viper]

Nah its true for many leaders and singers

They numb the pain empathy gives them

Lawyers too, exact same reason

(I work at a wine cellar)

[fast dew]

Ive only seen binge drinkers as. Bad people due to personal experiences

[strong viper]

Sorry bud. I have those too

[restive lantern]

Very true, it would be more surprising if he didn't with how terrible their situation is. I have alcoholics I love in my life very much so.

[strong viper]

Exes who hit me and all

[fast dew]

Id say that wine is much different to getting so shitfaced he can't function

[strong viper]

So im there with you

Abusive alcoholic manic pixie gfs who trained me in escrima

Imagine.

[strong viper]

We sell more than wine.

We even sell thc drinks now. And all forms of alcohol. Even absinthe.

[midnight ice]

thats very cool has anyone ever told you that

[strong viper]

My coworkers mostly

[restive river]

Apologies cause I’m just seeing this now but
They were all factually murderers?
Also if anything they know Roathe better than any other Orokin and he still is a bad person

[restive lantern]

Like every single one of them or the orokin empire /genuine question

[restive river]

Like yes it was a societal norm but that was still blatant murder
Their racism and benefiting from slave labor is a societal norm too so like. Where is that line drawn?
It isn’t

[restive river]

Every single one of the Orokin

[strong viper]

Yeah i negged him today after prioritizing marie despite her accent slips 》;(

[restive river]

The process of continuity is quite literally murder and all of the Orokin did it at minimum once

Even the children

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[restive river]

Heck we have a story about the children doing it for “fun”

[fast dew]

Least Albrecht doesn't do it
-# even if its not for the ideal reason

[restive river]

Well he did at least once

But his crimes are a whole other thing

[fast dew]

And i can admit that yeah

[lean garden]

Remind me, were they children or were they orokin adults mucking about

[restive river]

Children!

[fast dew]

I just respect him for stopping

[strong viper]

This makes more sense in elder scrolls than it does fromsoft or DE, admittedly. Orokin was a caste, not some alien culture. They WERE the 1% to begin with

[restive lantern]

That's fair actually

[restive river]

Unfortunately he didn’t stop for any other reason than spooked by the wall man 😔

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn no ethical billionaires

Like. Its not even billionaire stuff

[restive river]

I’d eat the Orokin in the same way I’d eat the rich!

[fast dew]

They are physically beyond money snd shit

[lean garden]

Im not seeing it in the text tho

[fast dew]

Unfortunately

[restive river]

Did they say Ostron children? Cause that may be where I got confused

We do know the children had access to it to some extent, Roathe did it as a child

[lean garden]

theres a line where one of them complains that masks and costumes are for children

[restive river]

He was forced to but yknow

[fast dew]

Still, better than Roathe, who still actively wanted to do continuity

[strong viper]

Vivec, and he was using molag to represent his own dad

[fast dew]

The only thing that stopped him was him being infested lmao

[restive river]

Ah, I may have interpreted that as like
A 14 year old saying they’re “too old to trick or treat” lol

[restive lantern]

I mean ... He was forced to tho to be fair

[restive river]

It felt like that kind amentality

[restive river]

I specified that yeah

It does show they weren’t beyond the children doing it though

[fast dew]

Roathe probably didnt just do continuity that one time, id like to say

[restive river]

I would say that that murder is not on Roathe’s hands since he was forced into it

[fast dew]

He is willing to do it again, he just can't.

[restive river]

Well not anymore-

[strong viper]

I guess he aint never had a proper samhain

[fast dew]

We know full well he wasn't gonna go put himself in a grineer's body either closest to ethical continuity we got and it still sucks

[lean garden]

well technically, murder via continuity, assuming he never did any outside of being forced to.

because roathe absolutely did murdering as part of his capacity as a soldier in a warzone

[strong viper]

Worse
He led murderers

[restive river]

I mean the infestation has a grip on his consciousness, I don’t think he can if he wanted to

[strong viper]

Murderer and made murderer of others

[fast dew]

He forced slaves into war

Good lord he's horrible

[strong viper]

Thats besides the slavery charges

[restive lantern]

Well how do we know there aren't other orokin who have rejected doing it other than forced as well tho, that's my point. I'm in no way tryna defend the orokin empire, just like I wouldn't defend the American empire, just to be clear. But we are also literally murders

[lean garden]

inclusive of The Old War and any factional conflicts within the Orokin

[strong viper]

He is not hume, he is not voltairie.
He is napoleon. Get it?

[fast dew]

Does make me a little sad, knowing the entrati family have no hope

[restive river]

I’m talking about when he was a kid and was beat by the other students to the point he had to hop bodies
That’s not on him

[lean garden]

they'd be the very surprising exception

[restive river]

Yeah ):

[lean garden]

because theyd be bucking the societal norm

[strong viper]

Complicity stains (continuity), the murder we speak of is the warfare

[lean garden]

I mean sure, but Im saying assuming that in his adulthood he never participated unless forced to

[fast dew]

They probably would also murder someone for it, but i could see them like. Transferring themselves to lil vessels or smthn

[restive lantern]

Yeah, but there have always been those. Like during the American slave trade, there were people born into slave owning families who became staunch abolitionist

[restive river]

Ah, yeah that did seem to be the case
But also he did uh. War too so

[strong viper]

Like my "mulatto" ancestors

Literally named mules

[restive river]

Sorry lol, long day

[restive lantern]

Yeah I've literally been called that slur as a mixed race black person 😭💔

And I live in the south 💔💔😭😭

[strong viper]

Hey fam me too

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[strong viper]

I just reclaimed it. Everyone loves burritos eff it

[restive river]

I mean it’s possible, Roathe seems to not have been for continuity

[restive lantern]

https://tenor.com/view/predator-arnold-schwarzenegger-hand-shake-arms-gif-3468629

[restive river]

RNG was not with me today
Not
In the way I wanted at least 😔

[strong viper]

My dad is biracial, Yeah. I'm a hefty olive and my deaf slant with new orleanian nativity gives me an aave pass in public so lmao

[fast dew]

Yk what's a personal peeve of mine? When you say that Roathe is mildly responsible for adis' death, folk go in and say like. "Oh then that makes tenno mass murderers" like yeah almost as if i also think that

[lean garden]

Well maybe they existed, but if they really fundamentally reject the orokin way, be it by personal growth or revelation or by whatever means and timeline, wouldn't you agree that they'd effectively exile (in whatever form you can think) themselves from the Orokin?

Which then would lead to the question: given that the Orokin is primarily a class before being a race/subspecies, can an Orokin become not-Orokin

and if the answer is yes, would that individual still be Orokin?

[lean garden]

pertinent, because you can go from non-Orokin to Orokin

[strong viper]

Murder =/= kill is important.

One implies war crimes

[fast dew]

I mean

[strong viper]

Its excrutiating to delinate? Yeah

[fast dew]

I would like to point out that the grineer do not have any say in what happens with themselves

[strong viper]

Exactly.

We are abusing our agency over them

[fast dew]

And i agree

[strong viper]

Corpus, too.

[restive river]

What examples of that do we have again?
I know Ordan, though I thought that was a trap

[fast dew]

Some of the people we kill are victims of circumstance

[restive river]

Orokin’s fault

[restive river]

Purpose-bred capitalists

What is this, fallout?

[lean garden]

which then leads to a totally unrelated thought

Could this be mechanically used for a Seven to disguise themselves to escape?

-# salads taste nice

[strong viper]

You see me

[fast dew]

Peak perhaps

[lean garden]

it was a trap by ordan no?

[restive river]

Do you think that’s why he was interested in the frames, he knew EXACTLY how powerful they were?

[fast dew]

I swear to god you and your salad v is an orokin theory

[strong viper]

https://tenor.com/view/bojack-horseman-mr-peanutbutter-peanutbutter-crossover-gif-20449450

[restive river]

It’s been a hot minute idr ):

[trim stump]

I got a question what is Profit???

[lean garden]

I also posit its why he doesnt care even until now that we didn't share the secret of the reservoir

[fast dew]

Profit

[strong viper]

Ayn rand

[fast dew]

Grofit

[lean garden]

I will defend it till the day we know what happened to Tornis/Scarne

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/growth-profit-grofit-corpus-ambulas-gif-15630541

[fast dew]

Tormis appeals to my preferences

[restive river]

Cash money

[trim stump]

Cuz I'm doing the new war quest and Veso says "For Profit"

[restive river]

Which one was it for our bet again, Scarne?

[lean garden]

We should both check lol. All I remember is that Ordan used the opportunity to try to kill an orokin, and it didnt work. But the Orokin did seemingly have a whole thing where someone can climb the class ladder

[fast dew]

Its literally just that, profit

[trim stump]

Oh

[restive lantern]

Literally exactly what you think. Just for money.

[restive river]

Yeah for money
The Corpus are a capitalist cult
They worship money and the void

[lean garden]

should be scarne, you didnt want to approve the tormis add on

[midnight ice]

they came from Parvos who's obsessed with Desire and it distorted to Profit

[trim stump]

Interesting and how did u get that thing for ur pfp

[restive river]

When my partner gets back I’ll watch it with her, time for a refresher

[fast dew]

Old thing

Can't get it anymore

[trim stump]

Alr

[restive river]

Right lmao
Scarne makes more sense to me if it’s true

[fast dew]

Scarne is

Interesting looking

[restive river]

Wish they’d bring them back
Like
All of the discord collab items

[fast dew]

I should draw Scarne/Tormis

[restive river]

My friend lost her account and now she doesn’t have shadow the hedgehog :/

[fast dew]

:[

[restive river]

Scarne x Tormis…?
Naaah

[strong viper]

Boycott Sharktendo

[fast dew]

Yeaa!! Its literally peak

[restive river]

But… maybe…
Brain vs Brawn yaoi

[fast dew]

EXACTLY

[restive river]

Get on it

[fast dew]

Perfect stereotype

[strong viper]

You mean bara x otonoko?

[restive river]

Idk what those mean but yeah probably?

[trim stump]

So if you take that same perspective the big spider in the orb vallis is a profit taker

[restive river]

I’m sorry I don’t watch much anime

[strong viper]

Buff x femme yaoi

[fast dew]

I should still draw parvos/ballas, thats funny

[fast dew]

EUGH. DISGUSTING

Im a fan of bara thank youp

[strong viper]

Im more of a roman bathouse type myself

[restive river]

Yeah the spider exists to take profit
Its what happens in the quest iirc, she comes all the way to the door

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/804040882780241941/1477018452505137357/Roathe720.gif

[lean garden]

mhmm, if you think about it the other one walking around seems to be exploiting the solaris, like some exploiter orb

[restive river]

Scarne isn’t feminine tho, just old looking
And presumably smart

[trim stump]

I see what u did there

[fast dew]

Make the bastard blonde

Im making him blonde

[strong viper]

Ahhhh more silverfox twinkmode gotcha

[restive river]

Omg Scarne saved Tormis by making him continuity into a Corpus body…
Doomed evil yaoi…

[restive river]

Albrecht and Loid again

[winged verge]

The best bit about consistently getting new frames and by proxy having more primes being present at the night of the Naga Drums gives us even more ways the Orokin could have suffered and died.

Like, obviously theres a few who wouldnt be present, like Xaku, Revenant, and a select few others, but it really makes you wonder how much of a shit time they must've had

[strong viper]

Exactly

[fast dew]

I need to draw some Yuri w Avantus tbh

[fast dew]

It all boils down to alloid

[strong viper]

Its sort of... and forgive me

[restive river]

Avantus x who tho?
Nitokh..?

[strong viper]

Its sort of like an age appropriate pederasty of caste

[trim stump]

What caused ballas to go evil

[restive river]

Do we even know Avantus’ personality

[restive river]

We don’t know specifics but he is an Orokin and the Orokin caste is akin to modern day billionaires and tyrants so
What caused them to be evil?

[strong viper]

I mean albrecht and loid ofc

[fast dew]

Mild rascist to grineer

[strong viper]

Pride, Greed, peer pressure, loss. In that order

[trim stump]

Gone Rogue for money then

[restive river]

But the Orokin have been beyond money for thousands of years

[restive lantern]

More like just for power in general

[restive river]

Yeah
Also immorality

[strong viper]

Greed. As you grow more powerful you grow hungrier, and brain brain requires a larger safety net. Do the math.

[trim stump]

Oh cuz I thought originally that he went rogue bc of lotus

[dark compass]

And people worship you, you deserve it

[fast dew]

Mm, I can make it grandmother/Avantus, but honestly I dont know

[strong viper]

Right.

[dark compass]

You're the golden god, after all

[restive river]

It sounds like it started out necessary and slowly rotted but I don’t recall the exact chat

[strong viper]

Pride first thusly

[restive river]

Avantus just has nothing that we can work with :/

[strong viper]

Apollyon, who devours the sun. Ballas.

[restive river]

Apollyon would go crazy as a frame name

[restive lantern]

TRUE

[restive river]

Maybe a frame made in Ballas’ image?

[fast dew]

Unfortunately. She is so pretty

[strong viper]

Hard Agree fam

[restive river]

His other favorite
Or
Maybe his greatest failure-

[strong viper]

Bow procs

F yes cupid and eros

[midnight ice]

someone fact check me on this but im sure he ultimately wants to topple the empire and rebuild it for himself (see Narmer), not sure if this was due to Margulis loving/taking care of the Tenno more

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/apollyon-аполлион-warmonger-зачинщица-for-honor-gif-13041869638615347013

[restive river]

Ngl I think Ballas is kinda just like that

[midnight ice]

i may just be talking out of my ass and blowing smoke up

[restive river]

He was still part of the seven

[strong viper]

An early prototype based on narcissius, pygmalion, phanes, apollo, and eros

[midnight ice]

which is all exceptionally horrible people, yeah

[restive river]

He was the least terrible iirc from Roathe’s perspective but he was still there

[fast dew]

Avantus' and Ballas' shoulder pauldron look the same but like. Avantus' is squished a lil

[restive river]

Yesssss

I would like a frame that can charm enemies or something

Just a very whimsical vibe

[strong viper]

Apollyon as the masc, sol nyx?

Holy shit that clicks with the lua frame!

Someone phone rebecca NOW

[restive river]

Equinox needs to be reworked
Maybe add a spice of dualism
Maybe she has dualism lore

Idk if she has lore but
Mockery of dualism maybe?

[strong viper]

Miquella notes

For apollyon

As for eq, needs more satire of dualism ye

[midnight ice]

lyon shouldve been a butch woman and lyon/marie shouldve been the Equinox protos smfh

[strong viper]

Rell wasnt very butch. Lyon should be twunk

Not twink! Twunk. Harrow is twink as post metamorph

Like an emaciated bishop

Or a franciscan monk

[restive river]

Scream the xata louder

[strong viper]

Lyon as a woman slaps tho give u that

[restive river]

Is Lyon another Liger oc
I seriously doubt this lol

[strong viper]

Nah its like, blake again

Tyger tyger but lion lion

Note the war of the roses

[restive river]

Liger’s one of the artists lol

They made Sevagoth

[strong viper]

Hilaerial

[midnight ice]

like get your hands off harrow he's more related to the Void than dualism. his prime lit. says the inquisitor of the void

[restive lantern]

Well they are all ocs technically lolol

[midnight ice]

oh damn he's a liger child apparently

[midnight ice]

we really are buying liger's ocs for 275 plat a pop

[fast dew]

He is lmao

[restive river]

Oh my void

[strong viper]

Saucie

[restive river]

I ain’t even mad

[strong viper]

Hierophilia is valid yall

[fast dew]

Liger made Loid and Arthur too

[restive river]

Liger got sauce clearly

[midnight ice]

no i hate Lyon and wish you can put on normal frame helmets on Harrow

[strong viper]

As long as i turn the sound off and never hear marie's actual voice, she is tolerable

[fast dew]

I kinda wanna see Albrecht's concept art, bcs like. How did they come to this conclusion

[midnight ice]

I would turn to Harrow if i had the serum from how much i love him btw

[strong viper]

And i am already hearing impaired

[fast dew]

Me with Qorvex

[midnight ice]

"you ever seen that guy from Watch Dogs 1? what if he was gayer" etc

[fast dew]

BAIAJ

[strong viper]

"And slightly more berlin?"

Yes. Omfg

[fast dew]

As a fan of the watchdog series, yeaj

I love Qorvex

[restive river]

Me with Xaku

I will be bones

[fast dew]

Qorvex is so gender goals

[strong viper]

Im already turning into wukong or gauss. I dont even need the serum

[restive river]

Thomas will be concrete

[midnight ice]

monsoon from metal gear rising is a xaku protoframe, i refuse to elaborate

[fast dew]

Worth it

[restive river]

Idk who that is lemme look this up

[strong viper]

As a hardcore mgs fan i have to agree

[midnight ice]

amir should kiss wrench. eccentric nerd duo or smth

[strong viper]

Rules of nature

[midnight ice]

https://tenor.com/view/monsoon-metal-gear-rising-good-evening-meme-monsoon-metal-gear-gif-25252273

the funny "dna are the memes of the soul" guy

[fast dew]

Who invited them

[strong viper]

My whole thing with him is often teasing what he is too immature to handle.

[midnight ice]

you leave qorvexs dads alone

[fast dew]

Only reason qorvex got into pride last year smh

[restive river]

Close enough

[fast dew]

His dads are gay

[strong viper]

XD

[fast dew]

The. The q in lgbtq+ stands for Qorvex

[strong viper]

Stop it im trying to think not laugh

[fast dew]

Im sorry im just too funny

[dull stratus]

The sanest #lore-discussion dialogue-

[dark compass]

We are perfectly sane

[dull stratus]

Sure thing

[strange plinth]

always

[midnight ice]

oh yeah we are. anyways do you guys think tower meat would be better pan fried (and fat rendered out) or in a stew? im not sure if the white is white muscle or adipose tissue because the whole thing just looks like a slab of blubber

also, post-TNW, are the wall butchers at cetus entrance gone :(

[spice spade]

Amen

[gentle isle]

why not both: i always thought it looked similar to pork belly and wondered if it could be braised

[midnight ice]

its definitely one of those tender least-used muscles (the meat looks like its just for, how you say, filling? most of the structural integrity being from the golden scaffholds or other things)

[gentle isle]

looking at some pics it does look a lot whiter than i remembered

[gentle isle]

the dish i was thinking of:

[midnight ice]

the wall-butchers at the cetus entrance being removed is my final straw for post-TNW smh

[midnight ice]

ive had this before! at least an analogue of it. soy sauce + five spices + cinnamon + clove + star anise

[gentle isle]

https://tenor.com/view/smiling-friends-dap-me-up-mr-boss-pim-super-monkey-ball-gif-982477278828963206

[glass sluice]

what happens to the consigned kubrows

[dark compass]

Lotus eats them

[glass sluice]

I've been petitioning for years for an Operator/Drifter outfit for a "consignment coat", that is suspiciously fur-like.

[humble sierra]

Loid
Gara
Baruuk
Ticker
Qorvex

[midnight ice]

I naros
A sh

• is for +165% Damage

[fast dew]

Wokeframe grrr >:((((
-# someone would read this and be genuinely upset

[idle fog]

I'm a stupid man
but how was the relationship of Ballass and Margulis?

[drowsy saddle]

By orokin standards? True love Ala Romeo and Juliet

By our standards? Really damn abusive

[fast dew]

It started off good, it was mutual. But, like most narcissistic abusers, it devolved into. Well. Abuse

[glass sluice]

So they knew each other for only a few days and a bunch of people died.
That tracks.

[fast dew]

Yeah honestly lmao

[manic dragon]

I wanna know how marguils made us sleepy

[dire mountain]

I don't think she did

Have you ever had a moment where you're overcome with so much and then there's one thing that takes you completely off guard?

It's that

Those extreme emotions will in fact, make you tired in the aftermath

[manic dragon]

Fair didn't think about it like that how did she make us forget then

[dire mountain]

The Orokin Empire had a lot of stuff to do with memories

Idk the exact method used but its like, it could be a few

[pale cedar]

Gaslighting

[drowsy saddle]

Gatekeeping

[opaque zenith]

Girlbossing

[fast dew]

Me passing out as soon as I lie down after a particularly hard cry

[fast dew]

I feel as if i need to post the male equivalent

[supple relic]

Is this spoiler chat

[dark compass]

No

#spoiler-chat