lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Rural as in i need to drive for an hour to get to McDonald's

[restive lantern]

Not the grandma nerves 😭

[fast dew]

Oh lord 😭

[chrome sparrow]

I can’t say I have ever had the problem with sleep and music. Though I did fall asleep in a smallish room with a full drum line going around me in high school

[fast dew]

Its more so wanting to stay awake for the music

[glass sluice]

I slept through a car crash happening outside my open window once, well one of the cars was parked but still

[fast dew]

I've always had mad issues with sleep deprivation

[chrome sparrow]

Ah

[fast dew]

REAL

Shout out to the time where a car crash pulled me out a episode

[chrome sparrow]

My father fell asleep in the army next to a firing artillery gun.

[fast dew]

I have. Loads of stories

Eventful life

[glass sluice]

im already physically disabled and gay, if i find out im autistic too im going to be really mad

[fast dew]

Same

I honestly need to ask if I should start using a rollator instead of switching between wheel chair and walking stick

Shit be bulky

[chrome sparrow]

I can pick it out in others. My bestie keeps finding all these things about her that line up. And I just look at her like Teah I knew years ago

[fast dew]

And at least with that its not weird to see someone stand up

Not unheard of actually

Neurodivergent people tend to find other neurodivergent people

Though, they wont always get along.

[chrome sparrow]

This is very true

[restive lantern]

My partners are v sure I'm autistic on top of the OCD but it's super hard to know bc they are so close in diagnostic criteria

[fast dew]

From experience, they usually group together, be friends for 3-4 years, then combust

[midnight ice]

bullies pick it out real fast because they diagnosed me with autism way earlier before than my shrink

[chrome sparrow]

I didn’t get bullied for my autism

[fast dew]

Mm, maybe less. For me it was around the 2 year mark

I got mad bullied

[chrome sparrow]

I got bullied for being too smart.

[fast dew]

I was just. Weird

[glass sluice]

i didnt really need any other help to be targeted, my physical issue is that wonderful mix of hard to see from a distance, and impossible to ignore once you try to make conversation.

[fast dew]

Not like, weird as in he is loud or whatever

[chrome sparrow]

They called me Hermione as an insult

[fast dew]

I was just. Sit there do work don't listen

[restive lantern]

Also I joke about being the woke final boss, as a mixed race black, trans nonbinary, pansexual, polyamorous, neurodivergent, chubby femme wheelchair user lmfao

[fast dew]

And I was also terrified of most teachers

So it made it hard for me to function

[glass sluice]

@restive lantern hah, i might have to work for you as a minion lol.

ooh ill be the one that the hero fights before they get to the final room.

[chrome sparrow]

I wasn’t scared of teachers, teachers adored me.

[restive lantern]

Omg yess we must spread the woke mind virus 🧠 🦠

[chrome sparrow]

Being the teachers pet was the only reason I passed Spanish one and two

[restive lantern]

A lot of teachers like me except for a few that were literally trump supporting racists, I live in the south of the US 😭 and Ive had blue hair since I was in high school and have always spoken up where there's terrible stuff being said lol

My AP English and Art teachers really liked me tho ! Lol

[chrome sparrow]

I got you

I live in TX

[glass sluice]

country+ age gap for sure here.

[chrome sparrow]

I mean, I would expect there to be a wide range of ages here.

The game is 17+

[glass sluice]

That's close to how long I've been out of high school for!

[fast dew]

It. Isnt 17+ everywhere

In Australia its only 15+

[chrome sparrow]

Weird

There is some super mature content I. This game

[midnight ice]

its always the english and art teachers 💔 my art teacher was the only nb ive seen irl in this really conservative country

[fast dew]

Yeah Australia is weird

Has this awesome quote

[chrome sparrow]

I have been out of high school for like 12 years sooo

[glass sluice]

That is weird, but it's due to the lack of drugs having a positive affect, 100%.

[fast dew]

Nah, we have shrooms now that give good effects

Theres also nestawood

[midnight ice]

i have been out.... for... 6...........

[glass sluice]

Don't tell the ratings board, they'll remark it as 18 or banned.

[fast dew]

Been out for like. 5 now.

[fast dew]

Postal 2 is back somehow, so I wont get too worried

[chrome sparrow]

I am about to hit 31 and I am nit ready for that. It came too fast. I was not ready for 30. XD

[glass sluice]

We only got the 18+ rating fairly recently, and fun fact: fallout 3 was originally going to have IRL drug names, but a few countries including this one went "hell no", and Beth' renamed them to more gamey ones.

[fast dew]

Yup

Mm, meth was in the og fallout

[chrome sparrow]

I didn’t know that

[fast dew]

Australia is weird

[glass sluice]

I wrote an article about it back in the day, so got to do a deep dive on the whole deal. Was interesting.

[restive lantern]

Tbh they are fun names too, the new ones lmfao

I'm low-key considering writing an article for the Warframe wiki about the different in-game tamagotchis

[chrome sparrow]

Okay, I have enjoyed this chat, but ai need ti sleep for my work orientation tomorrow.

[restive lantern]

Sleep well! Don't let the roathe bugs bite!

[glass sluice]

They're like normal bugs, but they don't wear pants.

[chrome sparrow]

We have ingame tamagotchis?

[midnight ice]

as sugatras iirc

/ melee attachments

[chrome sparrow]

Normal bugs wear pants?

[glass sluice]

What, yours don't?

America is weird.

[restive lantern]

:3c I'm glad you asked-

It's actually interesting bc there have been 3 different names to refer to these in game

1. Frame Friend (earring cosmetics)
2. Kinegotchi (Amie KIM conversation)
3. Tammpet (Nightwave Nora's Reward)

[chrome sparrow]

[glass sluice]

I like to think the latter two are rival brands.

like nsync vs bsb

[chrome sparrow]

I listen to both those bands

[restive lantern]

That was my thought too, like how irl there's tamagotchi and gigapet

[fast dew]

I have cds of both

[glass sluice]

If you said that in the 90's, they would've shot you in the street.

[chrome sparrow]

I was born in 95 sssssssooooooo

[fast dew]

Yeah, I have heard that

[glass sluice]

I once watched an actual fight, a physical beating, break out over arguing on which one was better.

[fast dew]

Sounds accurate

[chrome sparrow]

I can’t even imagine

[restive lantern]

That's so funny

[chrome sparrow]

Glad I missed that

[glass sluice]

honestly looking back it really is funny, but gods it was serious at the time.

[fast dew]

We have similar, only fandom disputes happen online

Well. Im sure a some random con had a fandom dispute result in some police involvement

[glass sluice]

It is genuinely hard to fathom the impact of fights like that now vs then, just a totally different thing.

[chrome sparrow]

See, I don’t get into fandom disputes. Not my monkeys, not my circus. You can leave me out if all that I will go sit in my corner.

[fast dew]

I always find it interesting, hearing about random incidents happening in the fandom i was in, but I never heard of

Like that one time that one undertale fan had a needle in their biscuit or whatever. That was wild

Happened while I was still interested in it, I was just mega isolated

[chrome sparrow]

I learned long ago that keeping to myself and my small group was the best way to enjoy fandom

Becaise some people are just

Ttttooooo much

[glass sluice]

I went almost my entire WF life without talking to other people about the lore for that exact reason.

just shy of 13 years.

[fast dew]

I only really get weird around folk that enjoy those types of "darkships", its exhausting to try and explain that a thing being fictional doesn't make it okay

[restive lantern]

Hard agree

[chrome sparrow]

Fiction is a safe space to explore the depths of human depravity. I would never wish for it in real like, but writing something g toxic is fun and it hurts absolutely no one.

[restive lantern]

I actually like this server alot 98% of people are wonderful tho and v respectful

[fast dew]

Except when it does.

[chrome sparrow]

Only when other people decide to make it real

[fast dew]

"Fiction doesn't affect reality" is a shit take and i hate it. Because Fiction absolutely does.

[chrome sparrow]

And that is not on the writer

[fast dew]

Except it is on the writer for enabling them?

[restive lantern]

As you're probably about to find out the 2% rn unfortunately lmfao

[chrome sparrow]

I will just walk away

We aren’t gonna agree and I am not gonna argue

[fast dew]

Im not talking about regular abuse, I mean explicit assault of someone.

[midnight ice]

this is not related and i just got reminded of it, but i went to twitter thinking wf artists there would have some new takes of the game i havent seen, or interesting discussion. and then someone said to the effect of "descendia decoration changes based off of if you run harrow or uriel or wisp" and i closed the app

[glass sluice]

You should get some rest, nice talking with you Tenno

[chrome sparrow]

No one hold their hand and makes them do it. They have to choose to do it

[restive lantern]

Completely valid lmfao

[chrome sparrow]

Now, not engaging in this topic further

[fast dew]

Suddenly you being a roathe fan makes sense.

[glass sluice]

@chrome sparrow Trust me on this: just bail now. You'll feel better later.

[restive lantern]

Ah there we go lmfao

[chrome sparrow]

Well Reb is a Roathe fan too so you can suck on that

Good night

[restive lantern]

Sleep well! 💓

[eager briar]

I hate that I was in the crowd of people who thought that the game didn’t have a story up until right before war within because I was just mindlessly playing and I thought to myself “when tf did the moon get here”

[glass sluice]

if it makes you feel better, it was a shock for all of us when Second Dream dropped.

to this day, I'm still looking for a live game that has as big of a twist as that

as impactful.

[eager briar]

Why in the world did they just name a random starting quest once awake? Like it’s such a cool name for a quest that simply introduced the infestation.

same with stolen dreams it’s just some random side quest but it has such a cool name

[glass sluice]

Honestly, it's all about context after the fact. Once you know, it hits that much harder.

back in the day for example, we used to guard the existence of the Operator like a shield wall.

[eager briar]

Back in the day? Don’t we still do it?

I mean, it’s a bit harder with night wave masks and stuff

[glass sluice]

Well now it's not as good, since DE put them in the marketing.

[eager briar]

They only really put them in the new war trailer

[glass sluice]

Nah they've put them in promos and store stuff, flat-out showing them in prime access stuff before.

It's now more of an open-secret.

[eager briar]

True

How frequently does night wave change cause why in the world are we still on the day of the dead one?

[glass sluice]

Oh takes ages to change, but we're almost certainly ending this one soon.

[eager briar]

I don’t know if I’m not reading deep enough into it or if other people are reading too deep into it but I don’t think adis sacrificing himself revive us means that all resurrections are because of him

I think it’s just because our true body is never really hurt beyond the new war and it’s relatively easy to just fix up a frame

[restive lantern]

I think it's because he literally says "my light is with you now" and it does the hold to revive thing exactly. That was my thought too at first but I thought about it more and the wording seemed too specific

Idk I do feel like "need a light? Here's mine" and "my light is with you now" feels somehow connected but that could just be thematic parallels

[glass sluice]

I read that as more of a metaphor, not a literal "here's a lightbulb" thing.

ya know, how someone might say "my heart is with you" in a terrible romdrama.

We needed more time with Adis, it felt like a speed-run through and I would've liked a quest with just us two chilling before any noble sacrifice was intro'd.

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/kpop-demon-hunters-gif-13781046254042276402

Heh

[restive lantern]

https://www.tumblr.com/actuallyimabird/802946518204268545/these-gifts-you-have-a-piece-of-me-given

Robin

"These gifts you have: a piece of me. Given freely. But those before you... were butchers. Flayed flesh... for stolen stars."

Heheh :)

-# #my art #warframe #warframe fanart #warframe spoilers #the old peace spoilers #obsessed!!! with the parallels #i have SO many thoughts about this quest aaaaaaa #adis my beloved :(

Tumblr · Dec 14, 2025, 9:57 PM

[restive river]

Those are def different lights but if Adis’ wasn’t a metaphor then it could refer to Oro or something
Completely spitballing here

Separately from that we have the Holdfasts feeding off of our light, though that light seems to be our piece of Wally

[humble sierra]

Also Adis gave his light only after we gave ours to MITW

So it's not like we gave him up

[restive river]

Yeah like
Years after

Well

[eager briar]

I don’t think a random flashlight that we have to have represents our life force

[restive river]

We didn’t give ours to Wally

[restive lantern]

IDK if that's a random flashlight it felts real specific

[restive river]

Well we weren’t offering that but Wally sure interpreted it as something

[restive river]

No it’s a random flashlight

We offered our flashlight and Wally said sure, interpreting our “light” as something else

[restive lantern]

Yes

[restive river]

Cause he’s tricky
We still owe him that

[glass sluice]

The light we gave to Wally was used as a way for us to agree to a bargain, it's said as such in a KIM convo.

it wasn't a literal soul.

[restive river]

What

[eager briar]

That gave me an idea

[restive river]

No we
We didn’t give him a flashlight guys lol

[restive lantern]

I agree lol I'm saying I saw it as more than a literal flashlight metaphorically

[restive river]

We find that flashlight during the new war too-

[eager briar]

Djinn/genie themed frame

[restive river]

We offered a literal flashlight
What he wanted was not a flashlight but something else we have

[glass sluice]

Yes that.

[restive river]

If Oro is real it could be possible that that’s what Wally was talking about

Which if Adis’ wasn’t a metaphor he could have given his to us

[eager briar]

May I ask what oro is?

[restive river]

And if we make good on our deal then ig we still have an Oro

[glass sluice]

off brand oreos.

[eager briar]

Chai tea

[restive lantern]

Now without the E!

[restive river]

We don’t exactly know but I view it as our conciousness/soul

[blissful merlin]

Lmao we’ve been pressuring DE to release Garuda lore. Now we need to start pressuring about more ORO lore🤣

[glass sluice]

"we sold the e to samsung, they're samesung now".

[restive river]

We’re don’t even know if Oro is concretely real, it’s rarely brought up

[glass sluice]

i need to go rewatch 30 rock again

[eager briar]

Ain’t that aya? Or is that specifically memories?

[restive river]

Aya is memory

[glass sluice]

Isn't aya also the word for stars?

[restive river]

Star star

[glass sluice]

||the deimos family give it to us as our "adopted name" at rank 5, IIRC||

[lean garden]

thinking of ayatan

related, but not quite aya

[glass sluice]

well, ayatan is little star, IIRC
so yes

[restive river]

I’m not finding what Ayatan means

[eager briar]

The ludoplex sort of looks like a non orokin ayatan sculpture

[glass sluice]

i actually read it as "starlight" though

which makes sense since I'm scrounging from memory here, but don't they refer to you as "little ayatan"?

[restive river]

Where are you finding this :?

[lean garden]

they asked what to call you, the little star that did a drive by therapy session on them, they then settle on ayatan

[glass sluice]

Read the next message.

[restive lantern]

In my opinion at least, if it's not a in-universe thing, I still think the wally flashlight and adis light is comparable in a metaphorical cinematic parallel kinda way. Like a metaphoric symbol for something cosmically inate to us as tenno or individuals

[lean garden]

which doesnt really explain what ayatan means

[restive river]

They just call you ayatan, all but grandma who adds little

[glass sluice]

let me see if i still have the inbox msg

[eager briar]

Why in the world is deadlock protocol not a main quest? It’s so important to the story.

[glass sluice]

okay its gone, that keeps happening lately

[restive river]

I can’t find it on the archives

[lean garden]

its quite the side story right now cuz parvos aint a major villain yet

[restive river]

Maybe try a youtube video?

I can’t search it atm apologies

[lean garden]

Mother: "Yes. A family that would be honored to include you, Tenno. But... what to name this little star that fell from the sky and brought us together?"

Father: "Ayatan."

its just rank 5 entrati fellas

[eager briar]

But it introduces a main character

[glass sluice]

i gave up on WF youtubers years ago.

[lean garden]

who you wouldnt see active involvement unless you do deimos disruption, ascension or occasionally zariman missions

[glass sluice]

yeah i was trying to find the inbox message from after the quest, that i think mentions it for a screenshot. since i mentioned it being rank 5 above.

[lean garden]

^ this is all if you dont do deadlock

[strange plinth]

could say that for stolen dreams and new strange too
hunhow's entire buildup prior to Natah

[lean garden]

inbox after HoD is from father

[restive river]

I passed it like 2 times despite using the search function 😔

[glass sluice]

i lost like, 90% of my oldest inbox messages, so i cant be sure of anything anymore

[restive river]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/dialogue-gomaitru/

[glass sluice]

the farthest they go back now is rathuum, annoyingly

[restive river]

'Family' cutscene

When the Tenno reaches the rank of Family with the Entrati, a short cutscene will play, showing a conversation between all members of the family.

Mother: "No. I refuse to accept this. My shard…."

Grandmother: "Just one of thousands, dear. Nothing special."

Vilcor: "Be kind. She knew, once. Deimos stole the memory."

Kermerros: "It's not some mystical relic of Grandfather."

Kaelli: "It's just a bit of glass."

Mother: "It's all I have left!"

Vilcor: "Is it?"

Mother: "…No. Father, I release you. Let me live for the sake of the living."

Vilcor: "I name you Gomaitru. 'The goblet refilled'."

[All members of the family turn to face the Tenno.]

Gomaitru: "And to you… we thank you. You've helped us realise that even though we've changed, even though we struggle to understand one another, we are still…"

Grandmother: "…a family."

Gomaitru: "Yes. A family that would be honoured to include you, Tenno. But… what to name this little star that fell from the sky and brought us together?"

Vilcor: "Ayatan."

Gomaitru: "Perfect. Welcome, Ayatan."

Vilcor: "Welcome."

Kaelli: "Welcome."

Kermerros: "Welcome."

Grandmother: "Welcome."

Apologies lol

[eager briar]

The new strange was hunhow’s doing?

The more you know

[humble sierra]

Is he not in the quest?

Or is it just unnamed sentients?

[strange plinth]

he sends a few transmissions during the quest but isn't super involved

[fast dew]

Mm. Isnt that Suda's thing? Is. Is that suda's quest..?

[humble sierra]

Probably thinking about Octavia's Anthem

[glass sluice]

yeah new strange is chroma, thats a looooong time back

[humble sierra]

He's very involved there

[fast dew]

You can scan him, in the datascape

[humble sierra]

But I swear he was kinda in New Strange too

[humble sierra]

Does that mean we can Hunhow in Simulacrum?

[fast dew]

He doesn't give off anything i noticed, so.

[fast dew]

In octavia's anthem, or in the replay of that section next to Suda

OHH

[humble sierra]

Sorry I was distracted and said By instead of that

[fast dew]

Mm. Would be funny

Though

Im not sure a synthetic hunhow near the weave in any proximity would be a good thing

[strange plinth]

hunhow isn't named yet, as he isn't awake as of where the quest should be, but he's the one saying
???: "ALL IS SILENT IN THE CALM. HUSHED AND EMPTY IS THE WOMB OF THE SKY."
???: "HERE WE SHALL SEARCH AND FIND. THE EYES OF DAY DRINKING THE NIGHT."

[dire mountain]

I just heard dialogue from Velimir and Minerva I haven't before

Also HE'S JUST LIKE ME FR!!!!

[humble sierra]

Oh is this where we get the quote Lettie freaks out about? I always wondered where Drifter got it from

[strange plinth]

i think it might show up in a different quest? but if not its definitely new strange, yeah

[topaz pawn]

unrelated but it's also a quotation of a Mayan text

[dire mountain]

Yeah that's why lettie freaked out

[strange plinth]

correct, the sentients quote the Popol Vuh occasionally
for. some reason.

[dire mountain]

Popuh vuh

[topaz pawn]

because it's cool and awesome

[midnight ice]

something about how the 2nd creations of the gods after the humans of mud were wooden things with masks as faces that did not remember their creator, or the heart of the sky

could just be "DE makes one cool reference and it doesnt go anywhere" or its specifically for the "womb in the sky" line, but i find the tangential similarities interesting

(because, well, the sentients do remember their creators and that was part of the issue)

[strange plinth]

mm, the lancer synthesis imprint also has
"MERELY FRAMED", "MERELY SHAPED THEY ARE CALLED", "THERE WAS NO THEIR MOTHER", "THERE WAS NO THEIR FATHER"

its been referenced a few times, and re-referenced via it being brought up with lettie
so its unknown if anything was planned at the time, but it seems to be at least somewhat relevant now

[midnight ice]

they likely saw themselves in the Effigies of Carved Wood

[midnight ice]

<@&778745217037238293> turn him to a cephalon thank you

thank you for your service 🫡

[humble sierra]

Mr. Executor, send him to the Jade Light Chamber and have him disintegrated immediately

[strange plinth]

nihil about gara

[humble sierra]

Omg with the retcon about Nihil not being an executor, it makes the Gara Prime situation so much funnier

Bro's trying to look cool in front of Ballas "hey guys look at this imbecile, we should like, punish her. Right guys? I'm just like one of you, right?"

[brittle siren]

It not a retcon, he is an executor but we don't exactly know if he is one of the Seven

[glass sluice]

Nihil definitely has a lot of blog posts about how he's too smart for IQ tests.

[strange plinth]

nah that man got retconned out of executor status entirely
he's just an executioner

[brittle siren]

I have theory that he either replaced by Nikoth or the other way around tbh

[strange plinth]

the KIM dialogue that said he was an executor was changed, and the original nora dialogue never said he was an executor

[brittle siren]

Nikoth def got executed or exiled after the treaty fail

Am I the only one who just now realized that the Fragment bosses have different heads and skill sets?

[swift sentinel]

I feel like they would have just said it if she was executed, the mystery was intentionally left open.

[brittle siren]

I mean Ballas certainly knows Nikoth is plotting to kill all Orokin like him, so convince other Seven to remove her is his best choice rn.

[swift sentinel]

Did he know? She was still voting as part of the Seven when they knew she was supporting the Anarchs, and two others voted with her .

[strange plinth]

i don't see Nitokh being punished for anything to do with the anarchs tbh
at least 2 others were on her side (regarding the treaty), and ballas can be bought

[brittle siren]

I mean he instantly know Umbra plotting against him

[swift sentinel]

That's not really the same thing

[strange plinth]

seems like umbra found the vitruvian that was going to hunhow, and umbra was then immediately punished
very different situations

• roathe disappears at some point after the old peace and then nitokh calls off the plan entirely, no evidence beyond conspiracy, if any

[swift sentinel]

Plus all the Seven were probably plotting to kill the others and take over. Very gauche if you weren't.

[brittle siren]

I wonder why some of them agree the treaty

[swift sentinel]

War was a distraction from their other stuff? No way for us to know at this point.

[brittle siren]

No I mean why half of the Seven vote yes to continue the treaty

[swift sentinel]

They probably didn't think they could win militarily, so peace let's them get back to exploiting the systens

[brittle siren]

I wonder if Ballas knew in advance that one of the Seven would try to destroy the treaty by creating a war

[humble sierra]

Umbra likely confronted Ballas regarding it too

[humble sierra]

The 7 are the executors, all traces of Nihil being an executor were removed from the games

[glass sluice]

wait, games?

like, plural?

[fast dew]

Pain and anguish

[lean garden]

not to mention, ballas absolutely was down the whole anarch business

like nitohk literally handed him an easy way out to please all sides of the executors

vote for peace and then secretly do the biggest dunk using an anarch layup to restart the war

someone send that roathe absolute cinema pic

[humble sierra]

Yeah this was set up in darkSector and they updated it last month to remove mentions of Nihil, totally didn't make a typo

[fast dew]

Nihil.......

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/mohg-elden-ring-dance-pajama-mohgwyn-gif-13870174183658015178

[lean garden]

Just remember, the Moghlester turned out to be innocent and had been miquelltouched

[fast dew]

Im so sorry what

[lean garden]

when elden ring came out, everyone believed that Mohg had done inappropriate things to Miquella, who was believed to be in the cocoon behind him in his arena, hence he was called the Mohglester.

when the DLC came out it was revealed that Miquella had some power to control your heart and mind by touching you or something, revealing that Mohgs behaviour was actually caused by his commanded subservience to Miquella, hence the Moghlester was miquelltouched

[fast dew]

😭

[topaz pawn]

pretty much got himself kidnapped and murdered as part of his plan to go to heaven and reincarnate as a god

and then ||he also used mohgs body (after we killed him) as a vessel for Radahn to come back||

[fast dew]

Interesting....

[mental herald]

Why are anarch warframes so huge

[drowsy saddle]

Game design

Makes it easier for us the player to see em

[mental herald]

Aw man i thought there was a lore reason

[drowsy saddle]

Enemy heights can't really be used for accuracy

Since warframes are shorter than most grineer

[swift sentinel]

Grineer are like purpose bred (then cloned) heavy labourers and later soldiers. It's not that weird for them to be larger than what we'd see as normal. Kinda same wit Corpus Crewmen.

[dark compass]

Lore?

Lore :(

[pale cedar]

The taller something is the easier it is to shoot

[dark compass]

Grineer are actually very tiny

The legs are all stilts

[twin wigeon]

i feel threatened

[mental herald]

Yeah corpus crewmen are huge af

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/kermit-gun-kermit-gun-gif-16355306064126846866

[fast dew]

Lore? You want lore?

Loid can identify wine and that's cool lore

Loid can

Draw
Crochet
Raise children
Probably make food
Do drugs
Kill people

He's a jack of all trades!

Get yourself a loid today!

[dark compass]

He can even use KIM chat

[brave shadow]

Loid killed my parents and apologised

What an absolute legend

[fast dew]

Brother's parents were corpus 💔
-# those are the people Loid killed

[brave shadow]

Yes 😞

[fast dew]

Ykkwhat good for you

Grofit

[pale cedar]

You missed assist Arcimedians

[fast dew]

Oh, and a shopkeeper-zookeeper hybrid

[strange turtle]

And keeping people on time, doctor stuff, dealing with traumatised child soldiers…

Even makes tea

Really, it’d be quicker to list what he can’t do

[fast dew]

And can teach others to make tea

He can't uhh

[pale cedar]

The only thing Loid can't do is gain Void powers

[fast dew]

Can't keep his lover in one spot

[pale cedar]

Can't successfully plead

[strange turtle]

Can’t shoot a money-grubbing CEO from 500,000 miles away

[pale cedar]

Give him a sniper so we can test that theory

[fast dew]

Honestly he didn't really try, just did sad puppy eyes and hoped it would work

Albrecht seemed to be the one who pleaded with him

[fast dew]

No, but he really really wants to, so. If we give him a gun and let him go do it, reckon he'd hit the shot?

[midnight ice]

cant give me arcane hotshot

[pale cedar]

Loid tried anti Autism on a possibility Autistic person

“All is in readiness. Loid will do as he is bid, though his eyes silently plead with me to choose another path.”

[fast dew]

Clearly Loid didn't know
-# im not sure how. Well known autism would be in the orokin empire, given how Rell is treated

[fast dew]

I think he can, shits just a super rare roll
-# or is that the joke

[pale cedar]

Orokin prob saw it as just quirky rather than Autism

[fast dew]

Or they saw it as a mental defect and made those people disappear

[pale cedar]

Orokin are so smart but so dumb it's so Smupid

[fast dew]

I feel only a select amount are smart enough to stand out

Most are probably drugged up idiots who know nothing of pain

[pale cedar]

Many probably stole research

[fast dew]

Absolutely

[zenith totem]

I love lyon and I listened to lyons lore it made me sad but me and him fought it together lyon is my fav protoframe

[fast dew]

Yeah, Lyon is sweet

[zenith totem]

He is

[fast dew]

He gets shoved to the side by the other two, and its sad

[zenith totem]

That's awful I would never shove him to the side

It took lots of time to get to loved stage

With lyon

[fast dew]

He is. I think the easiest to get there 😭

Marie is designed to make you fail, and Roathe is incredibly. Sensitive? To certain things

[zenith totem]

Yeah

I was half asleep when trying to romance Marie but failed but she said she would help bring lord and entrati together

Loid I ment

[fast dew]

She's easy to fail if you're not being genuine

[normal mountain]

*designed to make you fail if you don't read
Which is perfectly valid in a text-based conversation

[ocean geyser]

I remember a tip for the kim chats being something like
“If you continue to have issues, please reevaluate how you interact with people”

Or some shit

It was pretty funny

[zenith totem]

Yeah I noticed that well after I finish bringing loid and the entratie together I'm gonna try to romance a different protofram from devil triad

[fast dew]

She has this whole. Certain amount of times you can agree with her about Albrecht before its blatantly obvious that you're lying, and if you confess too early and this will only happen if you agreed with her about Albrecht too much, during the argument, you'll fail her romance

[zenith totem]

And fix my mistakes but I'm saving roathe for last

I feel roathe may be the hardest one yet I think

Marie I may be able to but roathe idk

[fast dew]

Yeah, you gotta do descendia and he likes to go into anathema a lot, usually as a bug

The recommendation from me is to have all convos on, it usually avoids most bugs

[zenith totem]

But all protoframes from the devil triad I willing to help my bring loid and entrati together

[fast dew]

OH

Yeah sorry lmao you could probably just break up with each of them after you get all captura scenes, also Loid stays with the family

[zenith totem]

Sorry my spelling is a little off

[fast dew]

Regardless of the reset, Loid will be with the family if you've managed to do it

[zenith totem]

Thank goodness for that

[fast dew]

You are actually supposed to have reset, at least once. Roathe has unique kim dialogue for it

[zenith totem]

If im willing to do something in games I make it happen

Someway

[fast dew]

Real

[zenith totem]

I'm a dedicated person when playing games I love

[fast dew]

Im dedicated to specific things, like the Albrecht shrine made to summon him and make sure he doesnt try to die again

[zenith totem]

Hey when I get home wanna do it if your willing

[fast dew]

Nah, high chance ill be sleeping or. Suffering

[zenith totem]

Oh okay that's fine 🙂

Just trying to grind with new people/players

Maybe make friends in the long run

Who knows what the future may hold

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

[midnight ice]

https://tenor.com/view/head-pat-cat-cat-head-pat-cat-pat-kiki-gif-12035753500620958402

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-oven-gif-22673229

[spice wedge]

Why cat in oven

[strange turtle]

Cook

[dark compass]

Cry

[glass sluice]

https://tenor.com/view/happy-dog-playing-funny-animals-gif-12622871

[sharp breach]

What are the sigils called fass xata and the rest called like as a title idk what you'd call the group of sigils cuz I know discord has the emoji names

[strange turtle]

The Voidtongue/Requiem Words?

[pale cedar]

Voidtounge

[sharp breach]

Huh not what I expected. Void tongue lol

[kindred barn]

It still feels wrong to me that Drifter is the same hight as a warframe.

[restive lantern]

I'm gonna start calling Albrecht, Albert™️ in a derogatory manner

Also Loid deserves better for reals smh

[dense mist]

Loid deserves better frfr and if someone finally got albert™️ FOR GOOD maybe hed realize it

[glass sluice]

Fun fact: Oberon is technically correct as a name for old Alby, if you go by word origin.

Don't blame me if that turns out to be his proto-frame.

[dawn ingot]

Why are there only 11 Leverian entries and almost 70 unique warframes?

[midnight ice]

some frames have their own quests for lore, some are thrown to the laverian, some straight up is just there

examples being mirage, voruna, qorvex respectively

[glass sluice]

the VA for the Leverian needs a human sacrifice every time they record one, and DE were finding it hard to keep making interns disappear.

[dawn ingot]

The quests are great, I’ve done most of them only missing sevagoth and Yareli. Just seems so weird having a (in my opinion) a museum type feature so barren compared to the amount of content in the game

[midnight ice]

you get me 😭

[dawn ingot]

The voice actor for leverian needs a pay raise lol. I became a Lavos main just because of his entry

[silk atlas]

Most of the content is "barren" when you figure it as something that every single frame needs instead of remembering it (at least) was a way to give old frames that didn't get lore, lore. A good chunk of them just didn't need one because they had decent lore to them. Like, there's no reason to give Harrow one.

[midnight ice]

i personally do not like the laverian! with respect to the very good writing and VA the whole thing is like a loredump button

[glass sluice]

ill take that over having to listen to people's terrible fanfics in here.

[midnight ice]

i do prefer quests but i get that they need a lot of manpower to hammer out

[proper barn]

You don't like people info dumping at you?

[dawn ingot]

I agree that frames like Harrow are pretty well explained in their quest, but it would be nice to be able to just read a lore dump via the levarian.

[proper barn]

You better not date any Autistic people.

[restive lantern]

Loredump ≠ Info dumping

[glass sluice]

an ingame wiki of frame lore would solve like, 90% of the complaints.
e.g. finish updating the codex.

[proper barn]

A little bit.

[restive lantern]

Literally please. In game wiki + in game player market would be so great. I hate having to play a game with my phone next to me

[proper barn]

I know what you mean but I just wanted the joke.

[proper barn]

Okay so there is a in-game wiki kinda but it could be better. A auction house though to list your own stuff would be great. Cuz market doesn't even work half the time now.

[restive lantern]

Oh! Sorry I just wanted to clarify haha

[proper barn]

Yee.

[glass sluice]

yeah we're talking about having the codex be fully updated and fixed lol.

[proper barn]

Yee

I think the auction house would be

Way better though.

[dawn ingot]

As long as the in game auction house is based on Warframe.market lol

Trade chat is a scam and a half

[proper barn]

Like if I was FORCED to pick it would be the auction house with set and forget listing.

No question.

[proper barn]

Warframe market doesn't work half the time now.

[glass sluice]

It is quite funny seeing people asking for an ingame auction house now.

[dawn ingot]

Idk it’s worked for me recently

[proper barn]

I ALWAYS ASKED FOR IT. I want set and forget listing that don't matter if I'm there or not.

[glass sluice]

Well, I once got told to go self-die for suggesting that exact thing in wf, so guess we'll see how popular it is.

[proper barn]

Give me the system from ff14 with

What are they called.

It's attendants or something.

RETAINER.

[proper barn]

That's terrible. Sorry. People are stupid. Also the people that have the most awful opinions on warframe are people that haven't played since 2017.

[glass sluice]

You are not wrong.

[rugged parcel]

DE might not make an auction house without a way for the wf market guy to not lose all his supporters

[proper barn]

what?

i don't know what that means. also i don't care. is that too mean?

also we have ways to link like fashion and builds now and that didn't kill the warframe builds sites.

[rugged parcel]

If they cared enough about their tennogen artists to make the way for us to get them on all platforms paying twice, I'm sure they probably don't wanna leave the guy who made warframe market in the cold

[proper barn]

Okay i feel like there's a difference

[pale cedar]

Wf.market wouldn't lose all supporters even with an existing auction house

[rugged parcel]

I mean, probably

I'm just postulating

[proper barn]

i just

don't care about that at all tbh.

[woven coyote]

Different things

They have a contract with tennogen artists
Warframe market is just a totally unconected fan site

[rugged parcel]

It's still probably like the number one tool used by the community

[proper barn]

it doesn't work correclty now though.

cuz i swear half the names are never updated

[woven coyote]

But more to the point DE have spoken against making an auction house multiple times in the past
Especially the set and forget type(like they literally called out not liking that)

[proper barn]

to the new ones and don't work.

[proper barn]

yeah but their wrong.

i'm sorry.

is that mean

[pale cedar]

DE know Market already defeats the purpose

[proper barn]

also this is lore. this was my fault for going down this conversation but you know.

[pale cedar]

Now we can go back to lore

[queen shale]

So like, do warframes just adopt an aesthetic based on what their bodies look like or is there a mechanism to make them each a certain theme?

[fast dew]

From memory, the helminth is split into specific strains that form into the warframe's whole. Thing

Smthn smthn ballas experimenting a lot

[jaunty oasis]

It's not been explored in depth yet but Temple technically maybe serves as an example, Ballas made the strain first, which was then administered to Flare.

[fast dew]

Someone like Mirage changed it, somehow

She was. Laughing hard enough for it to change the strain iirc

[queen shale]

So its like a personality/soul, thing?
Horoscope type biz but like
Legit

[fast dew]

Her prime design is probably closer to what ballas intended

[fast dew]

Well, kinda. With Temple and Flare, it genuinely might just come from Albrecht matching them really well

I wouldn't say anything definite, outside that specific strains produce specific things

[jaunty oasis]

All we have on mirage is this from the mirage prime trailer:
Oh, how you suffered to become this beast. Yet you laughed at me. Others writhed and raged in the vice, but you, you played the fool. And so it was, that you distorted my design.

A sanguine trick. A murderous comedy. But no one is laughing anymore... except you.

The mere vapors of your life, shimmering still. Mirage."

Which we can't say much off it, and we can't really say much from the example of Temple either. It's intentionally undetailed I think.

[queen shale]

Imagine if it was some super meta thing, like their form is a prediction of what their future mission is gonna be in a narrative sense.

Blur the lines between the universe and the people writing it I suppose.

Not that it would be practical in the slightest its just a silly idea

[fast dew]

Temple's design likely comes from Flare's, as. The first Temple was Flare and I imagine that whatever they wore was enough for helminth to grow over

[jaunty oasis]

There's no proof of that though.

[fast dew]

-# note, not all protoframes will be the first warframe of that type, literally only temple/flare has been like that

[fast dew]

What? There's the email, and there's Lizzie

Flare must be the template for other Temples, or Lizzie wouldn't be there

[jaunty oasis]

The email doesn't exactly rule out other possibilities, it only confirms a minimum amount of information.

That Ballas made it and it was applied to Flare, but we don't know anything beyond that.

[fast dew]

Well. If ballas never made Temple, and theres a temple possessing Lizzie thats the template

Ballas made the strain and never used it, Albrecht probably stole it

Like the creature he is

[dark compass]

"holy shit a talking shawzin"

[fast dew]

I wonder if Albrecht knew what happened when it came to Lizzie? Or did he know from the Temple that later existed

[strange plinth]

he wouldn't have known about the later temple, no?

[fast dew]

Okay hold on

So like. With this, would it be that this fella will exist regardless as Albrecht going back in time has to happen [so he already did but like. Weird time shit] or like nah

Or did he change the timeline just a lil

[lilac aspen]

Infested are weird in terms of not caring about time and stuff. You could say Temple is a bootstrap situation probably.

[fast dew]

They're not, thats the good part but

[strange plinth]

Temple goes a decent way to avoid the bootstrap

[strange plinth]

the standard issue of discussing time travel and its consequences be upon ye
i'd say he couldn't know about the temple on the comet until after drifter's involved? but definitely couldn't access them for a sample or anything

[fast dew]

Basically would Temple be at the night of the naga drums if. Nevermind Albrecht wasn't around for the naga drums case solved

Its too early

[lilac aspen]

Honestly
Probably

Infested are just weird

[fast dew]

Infestation don't care about time and unfortunately nor does Albrecht

[lilac aspen]

“Time is merely a suggestion.” - Infested and Albrecht, probably

[fast dew]

It is interesting to me, Protea's grasp on time is so limited compared to the shit Albrecht could do, and its probably because one is mobile and a warframe, and the other is supported by a impossibly large laboratory but still

[queen shale]

Wait what type of fictional time travel are we using

[fast dew]

I don't think it was ever specified tbh

[strange plinth]

the one that just overwrites the timeline, no branches

i'm grabbing the palimpset one sec

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, right

We don't know how Albrecht travels through time, unlike the infestation kinda

[strange plinth]

2. What is the core thesis of The Palimpsest of Spacetime?
   A. Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist (correct)
   B. Everything that exists could, at any point, be erased

[fast dew]

That being the. The thing Euleria and Albrecht worked on together

[queen shale]

Butterfly effect stuff or does the present stay the same

[lilac aspen]

Yeah
Albrecht had a massive lab, a machine, etc. all combined to grant the time travel

Protea, despite being a warframe (who have “infinite” energy [if we go by what Ordis said during Jade’s quest]) and is piloted by a void child, she has limited time

Though it might be more of a safety feature probably

If we go by how limbo tore himself apart trying to commit silly with traveling

Protea was given a limit to prevent something similar from occurring as she did get altered over time when she saved Parvos with this ability

So the Tenno go
“h m m m, yeah Imma be careful.”

[fast dew]

Albrecht has his. Autobiography sounding thing "beyond the wall of Lohk", Euleria has "The Tales of Duviri" and they both worked on "The Palimpsest of Space-time"

And this is interesting to me

[fast dew]

Tbf she is explicitly using entrati tech

[strange plinth]

currently the only effect we've seen is Kaya, which is. a different circumstance
seems like the current day is affected, but not entirely

[lilac aspen]

Well yeah
It’s just not some set up like Albrecht’s lab had

It’s all compact to her body

[strange plinth]

"The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them." or whatever he was on about

[fast dew]

I don't think the labs are the whole machine, but its supported the tech

Ie like a pc case supports a motherboard

Or. The testing of a mobo

[lilac aspen]

Referencing to how he stole the research and samples regarding the Specter Particle to complete his own research

[fast dew]

Albrecht is also capable of. Making this shit be powered by something from a reactor meltdown

[lilac aspen]

He had the idea of specter particles but was being slow in completing

Found out the Entratis had basically already figured it out themself but kept it hidden

So he managed to rob them

[fast dew]

3 times, this man is trying to get entrati shit

3 times

[lilac aspen]

From this lore
We should clearly cause a nuclear meltdown to see if we can time travel, trust

[restive river]

Where is it stated he stole from the entrati for spectre particles :?

[strange plinth]

did he steal from other orokin families or is there like. beef. /s

[fast dew]

Mm, its the first mention of the entrati iirc?

[lilac aspen]

He stole and hid a rubeo in his mouth to later sell
Stole the specter particles
Forgot the third one

[fast dew]

He did steal other shit iirc

[lilac aspen]

Parvos even tricked and killed a few warframes in a trap

He was on demon time
No wonder he sees the corpus as soft

“Back in my day I invited the warframe to attack me, AND I WON.”

[restive river]

Again, where is it stated he stole the particles
Also what warframes did he kill?

[strange plinth]

deadlock protocol implies it
-# Parvos Granum: "Some doors ought to remain closed? That's not in my worldview. Fire, Fusion, Void. Progress always comes entangled with risk, with violence. With the precious sample obtained, development is accelerating. The Entrati have kept their secrets long enough."
-# Parvos Granum: "I am calling it the Spectre Particle. As my Archimedians explain, mimicry is in its nature. An echo. Exposed to precept circuits, we are able to imprint behaviours! Like an infant mirroring her surrogate. Only, this infant can set the world on fire."
-# Parvos Granum: "The palace birds think they control us. They hit our research site with a warframe assault team. Of course they did. I baited them to do it. The whole site lit up. Eighty mega-therm bloom. The whole lab, vaporised, those warframes with it. Fire. Fusion. Void."

[restive river]

Thank you

I can kinda see how it would imply that but I’m not entirely certain that’s the sample
That being said I can see him doing that lmao

[fast dew]

I reckon Loid could kill a warframe, if he snuck up on them

[lilac aspen]

The funny thing is technically it’s not that impossible to kill a warframe if you do get a drop on them

How else did Alad V get warframe parts for his project

[restive river]

You’re riding that Ekhein high from earlier lol

[fast dew]

I am I am, I even slept on it and came to this conclusion

[lilac aspen]

(Truth is Alad V simply paid the Tenno platinum to get the warframes)

[restive river]

I still think it’s possible the Ekhein just has a special property to it

But also Albrecht modifying Loid so he’s built makes sense

[restive river]

Players would sell
The Tenno wouldn’t

[lilac aspen]

Loid just immediately becomes godly whenever Albrecht promises to cuddle

[restive river]

Ok that one is 100% true

[fast dew]

No but there is a chance Loid has been modified somewhat, or. Folk just naturally exist around their 60s and not look like a scrunched up plastic bag

[lilac aspen]

“If you kill Wally I’ll call you my little pogcha-“

Loid:

[restive river]

Orokin bio-engineering

[lilac aspen]

Yeah technology does that

[restive river]

I mean we do not even know how old he is

He could be well over 100 easy

[lilac aspen]

Probably life extension tech and all that jazz

[fast dew]

Yea, 60 is the lowest i fit it to

[lilac aspen]

In an era where modern diseases and such get stomped by Orokin technology

The average human lifespan would be much longer

[fast dew]

The whole. If he was 20 when he started working, and he saw Euleria to her 20th, and he saw her grandchildren to their 20th, he'd be at a minimum 60 years of age precryo

[restive river]

Darvo’s over 100 and he’s going off Corpus tech
Loid was around during the height of the empire and had favor to the most (in)famous void scientist ever

[fast dew]

Reckon Loid like.

[restive river]

1000%

[fast dew]

Got called Albrecht's pet a lot and that pissed him off so bad

[restive river]

I can see Loid being Darvo’s age tbh

[restive river]

Didn’t they keep their relationship a secret?

Or do you just mean cause he was his butler and was always there

Cause I can see that

[fast dew]

Folk could read the room i feel

[restive river]

Margulis probably got called Ballas’ pet at least once

[restive river]

Bro what room Albrecht never left the house lmao

Loid went out for him to get him things

[lilac aspen]

Albrecht was truly an Orokin NEET

[fast dew]

They went out of their way to piss the orokin off, I wouldnt be super shocked if Albrecht didnt particularly care about how the other orokin felt

[fast dew]

*His basement

He never left the basement, because thats worse

[restive river]

I mean I doubt other Orokin would’ve cared much beyond teasing

[fast dew]

Most orokin probably had a similar situation, just. Some was worse than others

[restive river]

The Orokin mentality was they could just tell someone to be with them and they had to (at least for the executors)

[restive river]

Compared to Albrecht and Loid they were all worse 100%

[lilac aspen]

Calling someone an Orokin’s pet probably didn’t do much since like

Them Orokin were the freaky
Primed Freaky

[restive river]

As passionate as the Orokin can be they’re just as nasty
Unless you’re the wet rat known as Albrecht

[fast dew]

Mm, but we know from Grandmother's story, they don't particularly care when the orokin do it, they care about the nonorokin involved

[restive river]

Loid may have been miffed but it’s not like he could do anything

[lilac aspen]

They’d look at Eleanor and Drifter’s chat and call that tame

[fast dew]

Care as in they're gonna murder you

[restive river]

I’m assuming you mean when it comes to like real relationships

Like
Dagath’s polycule, that was taboo due to them being in a dedicated relationship with a Dax
It’s the relationship part that’s the problem and even then they treated her poorly

If anyone suspected Albrecht and Loid they may have only suspected it was more if they ever saw them together which they most probably did not as Albrecht didn’t leave the labs

[fast dew]

Albrecht being normal and not abusing his lover

[restive river]

Mildly related
I wonder if there were any Orokin that tried to steal Loid away from Albrecht like
While he was out and about

Loid can’t do anything but Albrecht finds out and uh oh the void scientist who’s largely seen as crazy is now moderately angry

[fast dew]

Well, if that Roathe line means anything, Albrecht did seem to not like other orokin being alone with Loid

[restive river]

I doubt this happened but I can see Albrecht dropping things like one time just to ensure Loid’s safe

[fast dew]

I can see Loid being accompanied by Euleria maybe

[restive river]

Cause they’re freaky
Loid is Loid
And to the Orokin he can’t say no

[restive river]

I can’t, not once she was an adult anyway

She was busy being a void scientist of her own

[fast dew]

Mm, isn't it just grineer and dax that can't?
-# Albrecht is freaky but respectfully so, probably

Well, even grineer can, but its a genetic defect

[restive river]

I don’t mean literally, Thonas

[fast dew]

Damn do you not go out with family members 😭

[fast dew]

Thonas

[restive river]

I mean they wouldn’t respect it if he said “no”

[restive river]

Thonas

[fast dew]

Ah see im smart

[fast dew]

Thon.... þ......

[restive river]

My point is she was busy being a scientist lmao

[fast dew]

She was busy sciencing it up with her pathetic husband

[restive river]

If she was a child then yeah she went with him
But once she was doing her own thing I can’t see it UNLESS if she thought she could get anything about her dad out of him

[restive river]

You’re good lol, I can see the confusion

[fast dew]

She could just walk down and find his ass 💔
-# she might get lost

[restive river]

I don’t think she’s ever been in the labs

Or is even entirely aware of them

She knows he was up to something but that’s talking about the iso vaults

[fast dew]

She. Could be? Just. Not fully aware due to brainworming activities

Her memories seem super skewed

[restive river]

Idk I think if she knew about the labs she would have mentioned it

[fast dew]

Ie thinking Albrecht's in the void [she was kinda right there] but she was told that ||Albrecht was letting himself give up and die||, and. That lead to her going into the void because..?
-# my theory is that its because he threw himself into duviri

[fast dew]

She is aware of something being below, but that could be from Loid telling her

[restive river]

What line is that

Cause that might be with the iso vaults

[fast dew]

Its the line you get after you reunite the family, she mentions the. Loid? being underneath everyone's feet or smthm

Which is why im saying it could be from Loid telling her

[restive river]

I haven’t reunited them cause Marie is still bugged

[fast dew]

Ah, balls

[restive river]

So I don’t know anything about that :p

[fast dew]

Do you mind spoilers or?

[restive river]

I do mind them

I will wait to get it when I can

The way you’re describing it it does sound like Loid told her tho

But I don’t know the line nor details so I’ll leave that to you and someone else

[fast dew]

Ight

The line is sad as shit but I'll leave it there

[upbeat kindle]

Did we meet Amar on Tau? Will we meet the original nira boreal and amar in future tau?

[fast dew]

Mhm. Probably not though tbh

[silk atlas]

Lotus made a whole thing about Tau being different so I doubt it

[fast dew]

If the archons are the same as what Amar was, then we've already seen them

[woven coyote]

Considering their zombie corpses are running around origin right now
No

[upbeat kindle]

Oh yeah

[woven coyote]

We saw amar in a memory

And the current day amar is a zombie head pupeteering a rhino body

[upbeat kindle]

(Lotus mentioned boreal on tau and reminded me of the fenrir thing during old peace)

[woven coyote]

Yeah old peace is a memory

And the stuff lotus talks about during archon hunts is also about the past

We very much know where they are and what they are doing in the present

[dire mountain]

How would we meet sentients that we know are in Sol in Tau

[upbeat kindle]

Brain farts

[ashen pulsar]

lol

wonder what they were like tho

[midnight ice]

i imagine boreal as a big paragrimm

and nira as idk worm on a string

i do miss ouppy amar

[upbeat kindle]

Pings

[coral mirage]

Whose Erra wearing btw?

or have we not seen that one?

[silk atlas]

Pazuul. He's not wearing it, he's being parasited by it.

We have not heard of Pazuul before this

[midnight ice]

we havent seen that one or saw the Ram mentioned anywhere in old peace

[fast dew]

Reckon its like

A false archon? A creature pretending to be another?

[silk atlas]

Why would it and not just a regular old Archon

[midnight ice]

archoff

[fast dew]

Smthn to do with. False idol shit I feel? I have this weird memory of Pazuul being associated with false idol stuff

[coral mirage]

Of course its another form of enslavement... mental and physical parasite slave master...

[fast dew]

Yeah thats, pretty common with parasite relationships, but i am unsure of what you mean by another? The orokin?

[coral mirage]

Yesm

[ashen pulsar]

nah the ram led the other archons iirc

(bypassing gate for second phase, variant) Lotus: "On Tau, the Owl was solitary. He seemed to think himself above us and recognised the Ram alone as an equal. To be mutilated like this, turned into a weapon, was humiliating for him."

(mission start, variant) Lotus: "Archon Boreal serves only the Ram. He cares nothing for the twisted servant that carries him, the being I once called brother. Destroy Boreal, and Erra's mind may become clear again."

[north jolt]

"Space mom I killed the owl like 27 times now, I don't think it's helping Erra"

[midnight ice]

mom we've been beating them into a pulp for years now i dont think this is working

[drowsy saddle]

"My archons keep getting killed by the tenno"

"what are you doing to stop them?"

"I keep shoving shards into them and sending em out again"

"Sounds like you're just feeding archons to the tenno"

[midnight ice]

and his narmer deacon started crying

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[topaz pawn]

orbrecht...

[fast dew]

Orbrecht....

How does he feel, knowing he's been turned into an orb

[dark compass]

We end as we began

[fast dew]

We end as an orb, we start as an orb

[dark compass]

Orbrecht ends as he began because he has no edges

A continuous flow of facial features

Come on it was a funny joke

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/sad-cat-car-silly-cat-sad-scary-gif-12889095585962936860

[fast dew]

Funny im just eepy

||mm, was it ever said why albrecht nuked roathe's memories? tryna remember why albrecht did that||

[humble sierra]

||Didn't Roathe just imagine Albrecht did and discover that he himself did out of shame?||

[fast dew]

||albrecht still did that, didnt he? albeit at Roathe's request?||

[restive river]

||isn’t that the infestation? He says Albrecht took his memories cause he helminthed him||

[fast dew]

||yeah, thats what i remembered? intentional memory wipe bcs of the helminth? but suddenly, it doesnt make sense bcs literally noone else has it happen to them||

[strange turtle]

Allergic reaction

[fast dew]

it does feel like it lmao

[strange plinth]

||beyond every request of his to reset his memories including "do not tell me it was my request, it will only damage my opinion of you," i can't find anything about it||
||other than the initial blaming it on the infestation but, as pointed out before, that's not happened to anyone else||

[fast dew]

||watch out, someone might say albrecht did it so he could hurt Roathe/s||
-# ||for some reason. albrecht must clearly hate roathe||

[fast dew]

mm, true. why do i keep hallucinating random kim convos 😭

bcs i couldve sworn a VM or chat explained it

[restive river]

||The family :?||

||the Orokin have an allergic reaction that makes it subsume their mind faster, totally ||

[fast dew]

||true, but look at the hex, roundtable and the other triad members||

||oh maybe it has smthn to do w kuva usage??||

[restive river]

||if Roathe requested it Albrecht could have sped it up, also iirc Roathe is the most infested (visually) other than Flare||

[midnight ice]

||all i remember is roathe at first calling it taboo in the culture to mess with memories implying its albrechts fault and near the end saying that its his fault for being a coward and taking the serum. question mark||

[fast dew]

||mm, marie is pretty messed up too, isnt she?||

[restive river]

I guess?

[midnight ice]

and lyon's back

[fast dew]

lyon is pretty normal tbh

[midnight ice]

he has a fat ass thats unnatural

[fast dew]

i think, from memory, marie has. her arm and head thats normal? her whole torso is messed up iirc

BAJAJA

[midnight ice]

and the whole thing aboout her legs

[fast dew]

he does he does

[fast dew]

tbf that seems to be just amputation over helminth

[midnight ice]

i see

[strange plinth]

this man talks so much why is he like this. i've searched through most of roathe's convos and can't find anything regarding his mind-wipe after he'd fully know what happened in the corridor
possible that i missed it, but i was only looking for stuff with HellStory at 21 or above, or after any KnowsReset variable

[midnight ice]

did we know how long helminthing took?

[fast dew]

mm, hard to say tbh. pain always makes things feel longer than they actually are

[fast dew]

hes a chronic yapper and i do not like him for it

like honestly just shut up

[strange plinth]

i enjoyed it while i was actually talking with him
but holy shit trying to find anything in his dialogue is difficult

[fast dew]

and his voice is. eugh. hurts.

[fast dew]

and he says shit thats like. oh, lets look up memory

and theres like. 3 of the same sentence bcs they decided to make it so that some options genuinely did not matter

[strange plinth]

yeah, its. odd
i understand having the same stuff in different convos (as much as that also adds to the problem) but it seems super cluttered to have the same sentence multiple times in the same chat

[restive river]

No

[midnight ice]

did you see his descendia lines? about how he keeps referring to Al as a thief?

[fast dew]

Like yeah sometimes we need to have it drilled into our head but its so tiresome

[strange plinth]

didn't check descendia, no
mostly because his later lines are all whining

[midnight ice]

oh god i cant open discord on my work laptop hold on

you must pardon me but hopefully thats readable

he keeps blaming Albrecht for it

[fast dew]

Oh word

He does just say its the serum

[strange plinth]

mm, though only on runs 1-21
22+, he doesn't

[fast dew]

SHIT

[midnight ice]

yeah, 22+ he goes "man come on 😭"

[fast dew]

"Man why are you here go back"

[strange plinth]

he'd learn the full story w/ the serum after run 21, so i think its still reasonable for him to be blaming albrecht/the serum before that

[fast dew]

"how quaint of Albrecht to make his devices picky" idk bro maybe he figured its just not good to have infestation mess around with his shit 😭

I think thats a solid idea on Albrecht's half, given how the infestation latches onto shit

[strange plinth]

i appreciate the "Unused?" section on this page

[midnight ice]

lemme run through kim one last time before i clock out

[fast dew]

He's gonna cause another "Albrecht exclusively forces the helminth onto people" if they don't finish his story i feel

[midnight ice]

theyre not unused, i heard the Necramech line yesterday, but i get why theyd think it is

[strange plinth]

found in the files but not found in-game (by any contributors) is my guess

i'm interested in

Roathe: "Look at you, Drifter, masquerading as a winged angel. As if we don't all know the truth. You're no more angel than I."
for uh. obvious reasons.

[midnight ice]

he's so very vague about it, yes. completely drops the topic and moves onto the family and ||getting loid upstairs|| like we didnt just bulldoze him 21 times

[fast dew]

Blasted him to death with Jade's glory and he still stands up like damn just die already

[fast dew]

People when they learn drifter isnt some pure wholesome person
-# especially if they've ever reset any protos. That shit is mucked up when you look at it

[midnight ice]

||"How very Orokin of you!"|| is a line that stuck to me

because how long have we, as players, spent our entire wf careers looking at the abhorrent atrocities that the Orokin does left and right?

And then the last Orokin looks at us, the things we do, and says, ||oh! How very Orokin of you!||

[fast dew]

LITERALLY

[midnight ice]

I find it really cool

[fast dew]

We had became what we wanted to avoid, i feel

People can go feel high and mighty

Holier than thou and shit

But it comes to the idea that we can just. Reset and destroy their memories

Many of us have

Am I particularly pressed? Hell no we've killed so many people its hard to count

[ocean geyser]

Thomas you’ve Times New Roman’ed yourself

Pretty cool methinks

[restive lantern]

I fear Roathe has some bangers fr, that's something I appreciate about him is his bluntness about certain things

[midnight ice]

the rest of the system is all too happy to excuse our terrors because it's for the greater, biggest, gooder good (and it is true) and roathe is i think the first one that dared(?) look at us and see himself

I mean Sargas Ruk calling us money loving corpus mercs are one thing but nobody cares about that damn fried chicken 💔

idk i adore him as a guy. sharp and i'm disillusioned by going the marie romance route

[fast dew]

I have for a while I think? New mobile update just shows it now

It is a preferred font of mine

[ocean geyser]

Valid

[fast dew]

Oh my god devstream in 7ish hours

Today has possibly killed me with hype

[ocean geyser]

Someone perform hype CPR

[fast dew]

Nah i made like amir and my heart exploded/j
-# yes I know it wasnt that but shush

[marble timber]

Yeah, I kinda just refuse to reset them no matter how badly I mess up because that would just be horrid

[dark compass]

I mean it did explode probably-

Lex is no joke

[fast dew]

Fair, you can get away with that when it comes to the hex, but if you want to get good endings for all of them there's a high chance you'd need to reset

[fast dew]

Yeah especially Albrecht's. Brutal weapon

Albrecht knows how to mod his lex

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht's lex is all primed mods

Even ones we don't have

[fast dew]

Rich people shit

[opaque zenith]

Primed Expel Drifter

[fast dew]

Though I can tolerate the entrati more

Doesn't stop them from being super abusive

But i can tolerate them

[midnight ice]

he probably has like 8 serrations in it

do you think "having a heart attack" is a status effect we can gunCO against

[fast dew]

The heart attack gun

Mm. Maybe of you just pump a person full of a shit ton of adrenalin?

[dark compass]

Toxin dmg

That's why it went through shield

[fast dew]

Like that Saryn specter on whatever relay that made be want to murder a person

I think it was one..either that or Nova?

Maybe both

[midnight ice]

heart attack proc
toxin proc
true damage from. whats the opposite of a plot armor

[fast dew]

Its been yoinks since I cleared out rails

Rails. Not relays. Im smart

[midnight ice]

i do want to beat up saryns in relays

[fast dew]

Mm, doomed by the narrative? I dont think thats the term but

[dark compass]

Back in my days we used to call that Red Shirt

[midnight ice]

well in MY days we call it the anime mom side braid

(eternalism)

[dark compass]

Amir can pull that one off

[fast dew]

Annoying ass warframe. I think i like. Used my limbo to avoid it? Maybe that didn't work actually

[dark compass]

Toxin lash

[midnight ice]

amir could pull off anythinf

bald maybe

[fast dew]

Bald loid

Bald loid

[midnight ice]

boid

[fast dew]

i was tormented by this image a lot

[gleaming ore]

chat question im really really confused about the lore how teshin both in our world and the duviri paradox ?? is it the same universe or smth why is it dif??. "im a new player and i just finished the second dream and hooped on duviri"

[fast dew]

just continue playing. you'll learn :]

[gleaming ore]

hmm do i need to do smth before continuing ?

like quests

[fast dew]

you are a few quests away, yeah

[gleaming ore]

sorry i meant like do i need to do the war within quest or just play duviri

[opaque zenith]

I'd say memory for the small details in the Duviri quest, otherwise keep on in the quests

[gleaming ore]

cuz i saw some people saying that i need to progress first in the main story then play duviri

[fast dew]

preferably, yeah.

[gleaming ore]

got it

[dark compass]

Bald Amir

For aerodynamics

[midnight ice]

last thing you see is the glint of sunlight reflecting from his bald head before you're vaporized

its a bit like how lighting precedes thunder, you see

^ spoken in a sagely tone of voice

[dark compass]

ALL MY ENEMIES ARE LIVING IN FEAR

[strange turtle]

Duviri Paradox happens parallel/during the New War quest

[dark compass]

They haven't gotten there yet

They'll understand

[strange turtle]

It’s supposed to be after, and thats where it was originally placed, but then DE decided they wanted to do two different starting paths, then they decided they didn’t and moved it further along but still not at it’s original place

So there’s a bunch of stuff that make much more sense once you’re going through NW if you did it before; because thats where the stuff it originated from happened and the quest is setup for someone whose already played NW to understand

[pallid spoke]

They really need to move Duviri until after New War. All it's doing is confusing new players.

[humble sierra]

They should make it so that the Circuit unlocks after War Within and it's just Undercroft gameplay

Since that's the main driving force of it being something new players should have

and Kullervo I suppose

[opaque zenith]

If there's enough people to propose giving the circuit earlier like they did for perita and descendia, there's a chance. Otherwise the circuit is too valuable for player who don't care for the lore

[fast dew]

Nah, loads of warframes are locked behind quests [Jade, Voruna, Dante, Qorvex, Cyte-09 ect]

I can see them locking it behind it all the way there

[midnight ice]

oot, but i find the ostron greeting interesting

"you see and are seen" wonder where that came from?

[dark compass]

Eyes

[fast dew]

It feels like family in a different way, I feel

[strong viper]

I See you, James Cameron

[buoyant bridge]

Bald amir

[midnight ice]

i gotta jade light you man

[dark compass]

:3

[bright stag]

is there a reason Margulis’ hair is dyed in her blinded skin?

[chrome sparrow]

I don't know, but I know you change the hair on the lotus to match. It might have just been a way for them to differentiate the Lotus and Margulis

[normal mountain]

<@&778745217037238293> here too

Nuke pls

[rotund trellis]

Warframe lore is confusing

So, all Warframes have a certain level of consciousness, but some have more than others? (Umbra, Stalker, Jade, etc)

[tall echo]

Yes, usually intentionally

The three you named were transformed as punishments for example

[rotund trellis]

DE probably abandoned the idea of making Umbra the only conscious then, I think.

[tall echo]

Nope

[rotund trellis]

I see. So, like, even Warframes like Rhino or Volt have a level of consciousness?

[tall echo]

Umbra is the only one autonomous in gameplay

[tall echo]

A very weak level, but yes

[rotund trellis]

Makes sense.
I was going to ask why they don't make everyone conscious during gameplay, but then I immediately realized the problem with that xd

[tall echo]

Other frames aside from umbra aren't "awake" enough for autonomy

If tenno controlled*

[fast dew]

Remember the second dream? The ending specifically where our warframe of choice breaks War?

[rotund trellis]

I always thought that it was the Operator themselves controlling the Warframe from afar to break the War.

[rotund trellis]

Ohh got it better

[fast dew]

Fair enough, this isnt the first time I've heard this

[tall echo]

Operator couldn't do that at the time

[rotund trellis]

What about Nidus, then? He is a purely Infested Warframe. Like Umbra, he should be able to move.

[fast dew]

Have we ever been able to do that?

[tall echo]

All frames are purely infested

[strange plinth]

still had a host

[fast dew]

He still was a person, no?

And. The first Nidus should be able to

[rotund trellis]

Nowadays, with the Operator able to control their powers better than they were during the Second Dream and before the Inner War, would they be capable of doing something like that?

[tall echo]

Yes

[strange plinth]

technically full transference is the closest to what happens then, but it still isn't unlocked at that time

[normal mountain]

Assuming the first Nidus was made before Zariman kids were discovered
And therefore wouldn't have been lobotomized from the beginning

[rotund trellis]

Yes but Nidus seems way more Infested. When I played The Sacrifice, it became clear that Warframes are Orokin Technology + The Infestation.

[tall echo]

Just infestation

Nidus just doesn't have an aesthetic shell

[fast dew]

The first of any warframe would be able to move by themselves.
-# [Jade, Stalker, Dante, maybe the acolytes, Umbra, Kullevero, Dagath ect]

[strange plinth]

he's designed to be more outwardly infested, and so he is

[rotund trellis]

But, we (Warframes) are so much different from the Infesteds to be pure Infestation

[fast dew]

Nah, its pretty much just infestation

[normal mountain]

Kullervo predates the Zariman return
Maybe Dante as well
All the others you mention are special cases

[rotund trellis]

I think so

[rotund trellis]

Dante should definitely

[strange plinth]

different strains of infestation
warframes are made up of helminth, most of what we fight is either the general strain or the grey strain

[rotund trellis]

I mean he's cool
My main

[fast dew]

No? Did Kullevero not try to murder a member of the seven at the night of the naga drums

[normal mountain]

Yeah, he was there
He was also there when the Zariman was rediscovered

[fast dew]

Literally none of the others are any more special other than umbra,

Because like. Dagath

[strange plinth]

kullervo's crimes mention the zariman's return and the 'new age' of warframes controlled by tenno

[rotund trellis]

OHHHH
This explains why there are Infested, Deimos Infested and The Helminth
The infestation is extremely dangerous. Capable of mutating itself and infecting living and non-living things. Helminth was created by the Orokin, right?

[normal mountain]

Kullervo was one of the very first generations of warframes

[fast dew]

Yes. Thats what im saying

[strange plinth]

yea, they cultivated the helminth out of the regular infestation
its sort of a 'tame' variant

[fast dew]

Yes

[tall echo]

Outwardly, yes. On the inside, under the intentionally designed shell, no

[fast dew]

How far are you in the story?

[rotund trellis]

That's such a nice concept

[rotund trellis]

I just finished Whispers on the Walls and completed Jade Shadows. (The Stalker quest)

[fast dew]

Good! I can speak about this.

You know the big robot people? The Vessels?

They are infestation.

They're a hybrid mix between Grey strain and Helminth

-# grey strain being deimos strain that makes everything huge

[normal mountain]

Dagath wasn't designed to be Operated, iirc
She was meant to continue the role she had in her former as a Dax
-# being a third

[rotund trellis]

Wait WHAT?
I thought they were, I don't know, a bunch of robots possessed by indifference.

[woven coyote]

The grimoire logs explain what they are made out of

[fast dew]

Mhm. That old guy [Albrecht] and the other old guy [Loid] worked together to make the Vessels. Albrecht wanted to make things to fight the infestation, Loid told him to make them huge !

[strange plinth]

-# i mean
-# the one was, briefly, possessed by the indfference

[fast dew]

And then we reminded loid of the gay and now wally refuses to use it

-# [homophobia]

[woven coyote]

Small typo, fight the murmur instead of fight the infestation

[rotund trellis]

If it was explained during the quest, I don't remember exactly. A lot to take in, lol, especially with Wally's presence.

[fast dew]

INFESTATION. I MEAN INDFFERENCE

Im tired. Its 5:30 am

[woven coyote]

Its a post quest sorta thing in the labs

[fast dew]

Gotta wait for devstream

[strange plinth]

soon,,

[rotund trellis]

But then it went wrong. Did the Vessels revolt because of Indifference or because of that whole business of them being uncontrollable? Like it was with Warframes without Tenno?

[rotund trellis]

Bro
You're determined

[woven coyote]

They didnt revolt, most of them arent even complete

[rotund trellis]

Im going to check there, thanks

[fast dew]

Tldr wally can do the same shit we can bcs our ability to do transference comes from him

[strange plinth]

Vessels haven't done much other than sit around, tbf
Wally possessed one, we transferred into another, and the rest are just kinda. around

[fast dew]

It was just. Transference on Wally's part

[woven coyote]

The only one that was taken over was deactivated through love at the end of the quest

[fast dew]

There are a few complete ones

[strange plinth]

there's the forgotten or abandoned vessel in the one big setpiece but that's the only other fully complete one i can think of

[fast dew]

Yeah, this is the pain that being Australian gives me

[woven coyote]

You sure that pain isnt just australia trying to kill you all again?

[fast dew]

Mm, the one where wally does that. Whole thing, and theres one in a specific tile. I think theres... a captura of it?

[strange plinth]

mhm

[rotund trellis]

Okay, so how are they moving if they're not complete? Like, Albrecht didn't have some kind of protocol to contain/deactivate them or put them into hibernation, I don't know? (Bc they are some sort of Infesteds)

[woven coyote]

Of the two that moved
One was wally one was us

[fast dew]

Its certainly trying to, but this might be a bodily fault

[woven coyote]

Oof, keep safe and go to the doctor if needed

[strange plinth]

no functioning brain to move it around on its own, like the dormant warframes, i'd assume

[fast dew]

We. Don't actually know why they haven't gone mad or the infestation hasn't been going a bit abnormal? Albrecht did a good job there

[rotund trellis]

Wait
Oh you're talking abt the giants
I thought it was about the Murmur faction.
Gosh

[fast dew]

I have an appointment soon

Murmur are. Interesting

I like them

[woven coyote]

Vessels are the giants

Robots are necramechs

Murmur are wally

[rotund trellis]

I was shocked when I found out they have absurd resistance to Viral or Slash. You're essentially forced to use different elemental builds against them.

[fast dew]

Necramechs coming from Father's side and the skull being probably an aesthetic choice

[rotund trellis]

Got it!
Now I feel enlightened, thanks.

[fast dew]

Yeah! It does seem to be a bit of a lore thing, but iirc Murmur are weak to radiation. And, the warframe Albrecht designed, Qorvex, is radiation based

[woven coyote]

Good old qorvex

More fun than people give him credit for

[fast dew]

Hes a silly frame and I love him

[strange plinth]

i enjoy the trash compactor

[rotund trellis]

I prefer to use electric against them because it can spread.

[fast dew]

Hard as shit to fashion

Why are you a concrete block brother
-# I know why but still