lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Oh lord no, The Seven probably hated Albrecht.

The seven are Avantus, Ballas, Karrish, Nitkoh, Tuvul, Tormis and Scarne

[azure jasper]

ok noted

[woven coyote]

Uhm yeah we dont really see that orokin become less blue without continuity

Albrechts skin is probably because of the process described in the grimoire logs

[brave robin]

Ballas?

He is noticably grayer with the same body since the old war

[woven coyote]

Fair that he is bluer

But if we go by the logic that continuity is what makes them blue the grineer queens should be blue

Which they arent

[violet storm]

Perhaps the color fades over time after being applied?

[woven coyote]

So while the conclusion that they faded in color with time seems correct
Connecting it with continuity isnt

[brave robin]

I just meant that the body itself is older

the bluing is a seperate process

for the queens they have no reason to blue themselves for the fashion or societable norms. They don't have longer right arms for instance.

[woven coyote]

Yup

[brave robin]

when the orokin we meet would have access to continuity they would also have access to the blue skin body mod, they do not have access to this anymore

Albrecht in particular stopped continuity and also stopped really existing beyond his labs for the later parts of the Orokin empire

I'd argue the portrait we see of him is before he stopped continuity as we plainly see that he looks different, Ballas's portrait is clearly him.

[woven coyote]

Albrechts skin really doesnt have much to do with continuity, but rather his skin being regrown

[fast dew]

Ehhh

[fast dew]

Thats an old theory disproven by the presence of void specific scarring on his portrait

You can see em here

If you compare them to the scars on Teshin, which seem to come to the void as well

Im unsure if Margulis also has them

[woven coyote]

Was talking about 1999 skin which was the point of confusion on the og question

[fast dew]

OH

[fast dew]

I was meaning the skin regrown thing

That did happen, yeah, but it didn't affect any skin tone

[woven coyote]

The discussion had some detour because of the wording on verinica's message implying blue skin was tied to continuity but that was already cleared up

[restive lantern]

This has absolutely nothing to do with anything y'all are talking about I just wanted to post this because I saw it on Tumblr before I played the game and thought it was the real portrait for a while 😩💀 UNFORTUNATELY IT IS NOT

[dark compass]

Hmm I wonder what the ping is about-

https://tenor.com/view/emoji-12-emoji12-cat-stare-stare-cat-uhh-gif-9567425571520721039

[brave robin]

oh my

Albrechts big natties

on a more serious lore discussion, super duper serious. Would Nef Anyo have anti-communist propogranda posters in his facilities?

?

I think he would

[dark compass]

They just orb any signs of resistance

[restive lantern]

Oh absolutely

[brave robin]

should I make more of these?

[dark compass]

They'll have something like

[brave robin]

Ill be adding VS logo on some stuff

[dark compass]

"the profit taker is watching" or something

[brave robin]

omg

[dark compass]

Or the Exploiter

[brave robin]

does PT have a sigil or logo?

[dark compass]

The orb is watching or something

[dark compass]

Oh yeah they do

[brave robin]

this is going to be amazing but I need to finish my sentient project first

[brave robin]

doing a theory on the specifics for Sentient biology rn

[fast dew]

This is so funny cus my mate just painted it on shrink plastic

I think i have it as a sticker too

[dark compass]

I think this one is better quality

[brave robin]

wait wait wait, I need someone with blender to remake the Wither's big nattie mod image but with Albrecht

[dark compass]

No wtf it's not

[woven coyote]

"Keep calm and profit on"

[strange turtle]

The… what?

[brave robin]

wait you don't know?

[strange turtle]

Like, the minecraft Wither??

[fast dew]

Yeah, Withers from BG3

[brave robin]

no its a bg3 thing

[strange turtle]

ohhhh

[fast dew]

I think. Tbats the most common one

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/withers-withers-bg3-bg3-baldur's-gate-3-skeleton-gif-5885139096498040297

[brave robin]

id post it but it shows more skin then I remember

[dark compass]

They are too big to contain

[restive lantern]

Me 😭

[fast dew]

My mate made a loid picmix actually hold on

[brave robin]

there is this tho

[fast dew]

Its really pretty

[dark compass]

How many of these are there

[brave robin]

i think there is a bg3 mod for big natties on everyone

[restive lantern]

I love the big naturals meme

[brave robin]

or there should be

[restive lantern]

Alot, I saw one of tenshin too

[dark compass]

The fact he just appears out of nowhere ||and tells Gale to kill himself|| was made so much much funnier to me

Bc I read a lot of the books and like, oh here's a protagonist of a whole series

I wonder what's his role-

[dark compass]

Someone is dedicated

[brave robin]

this is accurate?

I've also made this

wait I cant show emojis from

other servers

[dark compass]

For our own safety

[brave robin]

its unum stuff

funny

[fast dew]

Yeah, if i could I would put my

[dark compass]

Unum big natur-

[brave robin]

NONONO

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/orange-cat-gets-flung-and-explodes-orange-cat-funny-cat-meme-explodes-gif-10706110874965244466

[brave robin]

its just her but a lesbian flag on her

[brave robin]

one of what, 4 canon lesbians in the game

[fast dew]

Is she even canon 😭

[brave robin]

Unum and Gara

[fast dew]

I think there's like. Eleanor and Varzia and those are more Bi over lesbian

[brave robin]

oh shit Varzia is bi

[fast dew]

Oh Maroo, she counts

[brave robin]

3 canon lesbians

[fast dew]

Yeah she's a bit. Normal over Maroo, but shes equally as normal over teshin

[brave robin]

all the hex are bi tho no? same with triad

[restive lantern]

Yes, or pan

[fast dew]

Its playersexual its a whole thing

Bisexual implies a preference, for one

[dark compass]

Playersexual

[brave robin]

pansexual then

[fast dew]

Ehh

No, doesn't apply either

[restive lantern]

Yeah I just refer to them as pan/bi personally

[fast dew]

Because we can't rule out that they don't have a preference

[brave robin]

No wonder arthur isn't allowed in the kitchen (please don't revoke my gay license)

[fast dew]

Im sorry but I have to, its gay law.

[brave robin]

😭

Now now hear me out. The seven are a big polycule and they made Ballas kill Margulis because he left it

[fast dew]

But anyways, bi doesnt apply because we don't know if they don't have a preference, pan doesn't apply because we don't know if they do, so the term playersexual exists to make sure its accurate to later lore if DE feels like they need to have one

[brave robin]

and thats very fair

[fast dew]

Eh, each 7 member did not like each other. And like. Given the visual similarities between Ballas and Avantus, I would be a little reluctant to say they're not siblings of some sort

-# for some reason their arm shoulder things are near identical to each other and thats. Interesting to me

[brave robin]

Toxic relationship, but jokes aside other than the Shoulder thing are there anymore similarities

[fast dew]

Mm, design wise, pretty similar as well, some of the more feminine Ballas art looked like Avantus, from memory

Her design is also from the concept area of. Ballas? I think?

They were included together, and if it wasnt for the hair and body type, i can see them being either

[brave robin]

For Orokin stuff we could probably not consider actual biological similarities, because of continuity

[dark compass]

Flare is in love with music
Suspiciously guitar shaped Helminth:

[fast dew]

True, but that also digs up the whole "is it weird if two orokin of the same family were to date if the bodies arent biologically related" argument

Like yeah it's weird but realistically there's no real bad effect

[brave robin]

My polycule comment was purely for jokes though I can see Ballas and Avantus being of the same house

[fast dew]

Ik i like to think about this sorta stuff is all

I need to explain when Im not being serious

[tall echo]

L

just be nonserious 1000% of the time

[fast dew]

Scrap you are no better

[strange turtle]

We don’t know what the qualifiers were for the position (maybe the principles/virtues), though given how much the orokin liked schemes and court rivalry it was probably just their political power/pull.

Aside from that, Albrecht and the Entrati house in general is very much outside of the norm for the Orokin.

Their motto or something is “no god above knowledge” (the Orokin ideology being the ‘vain faith’ in which Orokin are the unquestionable pinnacle of existence, they treat their servants better, compared to what we know about an ordinary Orokin upbringing and mindset they and their relationships are quite healthy (aside from the Infested members after The Incidents)

Albrecht was also quite looked down upon until he became a bigshot and the foremost Void scientist

[tall echo]

but I am

[brave robin]

Scrap you are not

[fast dew]

He was also looked down upon after he became a big shot bcs he seemed a lil insane

[tall echo]

I'm never fully serious so like

eh

[brave robin]

Were you not serious about the Oro thing last night?

[fast dew]

Yeah and that makes it hard to tell when you're serious 😭

[tall echo]

I said I'm never fully serious

I was using hyperbole there but oro does actually suck

[dark compass]

Covering yourself in layers of irony as a way of damage control when you say smth dumb?

[brave robin]

Conclave lore is best lore

[fast dew]

Yeah it is old flakey lore

[strange turtle]

Actually it’s generally considered to be psychologically harmful aside from the obvious and more known biological issue

[tall echo]

I think it's obvious enough when I start getting passive-aggressive

[fast dew]

Yeah? Sick. Good to know

[tall echo]

nah it's just how I am

[dark compass]

I'm always aggressive

[strange turtle]

And almost definitely would be regardless given the mess Orokin relations of either kind (let alone both) are

[dark compass]

[tall echo]

I can come off as aggressive sometimes but there is a noticable difference

[restive lantern]

Nuclear you are one of the nicest ppl here lol

[strange turtle]

As a teddy bear

[fast dew]

Im aggressive to people i do not like its almost as if i dont like them woah

[dark compass]

I can be aggressively nice

[woven coyote]

Nuclear niceness

[strange turtle]

This one to be specific

[tall echo]

depending on how much I dislike the person it can range from suspiciously nice to openly hostile

[brave robin]

Lore question that is mainly about the art, what would a sentient’s “soul” look like

[fast dew]

Mm, the orokin seemed to be more judgmental over mental issues, so maybe they've outlawed it

[strange turtle]

We don’t know

[dark compass]

A ball

[brave robin]

Or atleast whatever lives on past death for the full sentients

[dark compass]

Like a sentient core

[strange turtle]

We don’t even know what ours are like

[tall echo]

orb

little transparent wobbly orb

[fast dew]

It varies depending on religion and culture, so its a loaded question

[tall echo]

very tasty snack

[strange turtle]

Why’s it always orb. What about a nice cube

[brave robin]

Specifically in Warframe

[restive lantern]

I kinda thought a light of sorts, via "my light is with you now"

[fast dew]

Like for me, according to my culture, id end up as a tree

So. Thats a thing

[dark compass]

How Eidolons are huge shambling zombies and vomvalysts are flying skulls, sentient cores are just souls of the dead

[tall echo]

cubes aren't tasty

[brave robin]

Haven’t been having good cubes

Your loss

[woven coyote]

And pyramids are too spicy

[restive lantern]

TRUE

[strange turtle]

Oh come on, lay off Arthur already

[restive lantern]

Food cubes 😋

[strange turtle]

It was one time

[tall echo]

that's my line

[brave robin]

I always saw the plains eidolons as fragments, in a similar vain as conculysts

Vomvolysts too

[vast willow]

How exactly do the Orokin augment their appearance? Do they just painfully extend the arm of the victim of Continuity before getting their consciousness replaced by an Orokin or what?

[brave robin]

whole bunch of body mods

[dark compass]

Body mods. Skin color is literally an injector

[brave robin]

bone extensions are an irl thing, same with dying skin

[fast dew]

They honestly probably just get high as shit and let them extend it

[vast willow]

So basically

drugs

[brave robin]

They might take "pride" in raw dogging it, no pain killers

[restive lantern]

I would say probably similar to the fortuna crowd, just advanced technology

[fast dew]

Drugs. Yeah. Probably.

Albrecht and Loid get high together and thats awesome to me

[brave robin]

Loid probably got Albrecht into gardening

[restive lantern]

Tbh the skin bluing doesn't make a lot of sense but I am just letting it be "sci Fi bs"

[fast dew]

As in weed or as in literally gardening

[woven coyote]

Think one of the fish lore fragments talked about it

[brave robin]

I see it as the Orokin coloring themselves the same color as the sky, so that they can be closer to the heavens.

or life or whatever you wanna call it

[dark compass]

No Albrecht!!!
Holding it in doesn't do anything!!!!

[brave robin]

why not both?

[fast dew]

I should draw that tbh

[brave robin]

PLEAASEPLEASEPLEASE

[fast dew]

True. The entrati did have gardens, so loid probably did end up caring for them

Considering he was carrying Son on his. Back? Shoulders? While running around in them when Son was small

[brave robin]

Albrecht used edibles after his first joint because he can't handle the smoke in his lungs

this is now canon trust

[tall echo]

he can, loid can't

[fast dew]

NO THATS SO FUNNY CUS HE SMOKES NESTAWOOD

ITS LOID WHO CHEWS IT

And its Loid who greens out

Poor man smh

[brave robin]

this is deep lore i wasn't aware of. Omg

[fast dew]

Tbf Albrecht seemed. Pretty out of it

[restive lantern]

It's more like I'm curious how that would even be possible for darker skin tones

[fast dew]

Its in Albrecht's notes, start of the cavia

The idea of the cavia did come to him while zonked out of his gourd

[brave robin]

can't people of color get white tattoos irl?

id assume is the same logic for blues

[woven coyote]

Was a revenant fragment that calls the plains eidolons fragments

[fast dew]

They can, white tattoo ink doesn't really show up on most shit though iirc

Though, some artists that aren't good at making bold colours or bold blacks might refuse to do it

[brave robin]

ALBRECHT, KHRA JAHU XATA. NUUM KORE NUUM DOMINOUS

while greening out

[restive lantern]

Yes, it just has to be done right and by a good artist tho. It's more of thing of color theory, the blue would have to either be darker or destroy the melanin

[fast dew]

Tbf its a logical idea, I can see the thought process.

I made this thing smart > can i dumb it down? > animals aren't smart like humans > maybe that'll reverse what happened?

And while it doesn't work, I can see why he thought that.

[woven coyote]

"I made this thing smart" proceeds to use "visionary nestawood" to have ideas

I just love the justaposition

[brave robin]

all good ideas come from visionary nestawood

[woven coyote]

Tagfer would disagree

[brave robin]

"LOID, MY OTHER SELF TALKED TO ME IN VOIDTONGUE. HELP ME", "No Albrecht you just took too much nestawood"

[fast dew]

I do think it wasn't literally done while he was high all the time

He had critical thinking after he slept or whatever

[woven coyote]

Hopefully

[fast dew]

Critical thinking slightly skewed by desperation and hope

[woven coyote]

Albrecht is pretty good at the technical stuff but his record with these more emotionally charged stuff hasnt been exactly bright

[fast dew]

Insert Albrecht probably has autism idea

[woven coyote]

Fair

[brave robin]

gay autistic stoner discovers god

[fast dew]

He does struggle with emotions. Which is fair. Especially considering how Wally will use emotions as ammunition

[brave robin]

accurate

[restive lantern]

If only he were that cool

[fast dew]

We do gotta do the whole song and dance of "is it autism or is it ptsd", because ptsd likes to act similar to autism

And Albrecht getting his skin blasted, throat torn up and eyes obliterated would probably cause some form of PTSD i feel

[brave robin]

🤔 might be a possibility

[fast dew]

Possibly his stomach being literally on his floor

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-blink-blinkingcat-cute-funny-gif-8859604814399687515

[brave robin]

might possibly maybe given him some trauma, just a lil

[fast dew]

Noooo clearly he can't be traumatised and acting like a traumatised man noooo clearly not/s

I mucking hate those types of people.

And they're usually the same type of person who excuses what wally did

[brave robin]

there are people that do that?

[fast dew]

Yeah

[brave robin]

like unironically

[fast dew]

Apparently.

Torturing an autistic boy for at least a thousand years and generally acting like a predator is all a-okay because he's a victim????

[midnight ice]

speaking of gardens! this spot fascinates me because why are there birds singing near it? some nearly mechanical chirping

[fast dew]

THERES A BIRD IN JT

[midnight ice]

deadass

[fast dew]

THATS WHY THERES A BIRD. A OWL

A PARAGRIMM

I HAVE A PHOTO HOLD ON

[woven coyote]

Without the context thomas mentioned i would just assume habitat regulation like in zoos

The glass dome feels like it points to that imo

[fast dew]

Deadass

Duviri bord...

[brave robin]

borb

Weird stupid lore question do we know for certain if Adis is a fragment or not

[fast dew]

Ive been waiting to mention this for so long my god

[midnight ice]

it sounded so mechanical i immediately went to "ah, the Void is trying to mirror life by filling in the blanks of what a tree should have; building it from base principles, see"

that is a massive bird how did i miss that

[fast dew]

It doesnt spawn in all the time I think??

I feel as if its related to Dante, the Paragrimm, doesn't he have.. Noctua?

I am impressed that Albrecht managed to grow a whole ass tree in the labs

[woven coyote]

I would assume so
Like the hivemind commands had to come from somewhere, and i think the only possibility would be full sentients like the origin invader family (hunhow, lotus, phragasa, erra, possibly the beast lords) and adis needed the flower so it didnt seem he had full independence to not be a fragment

[brave robin]

Im thinking so aswell, his face looks exactly like the dactolyst aswell. the fragments seem to take motifs from their parent sentient usually

[fast dew]

I agree, most fragments we've seen are from hunhow, and from what I can see, their faces are very similar

[brave robin]

All of hunhows fragments take a similar face to his hunhow mask, with the eyes, and all post hunhow sentients that we see (Im assuming they are Erra's from Pazuul dialogue) have weirdly different faces from Battalysts and Conculysts

Simbilysts are cycloptic for instance

aerolysts have "bug eyes" I think. or they look similar

Brachs are very weird with their face

[fast dew]

I will say the vomalysts look closer to adis, visually

[dark compass]

Brachs? Like Brachydios?

[brave robin]

His face is much closer to the Dactolyst in my opinion

Vomvolysts are squintier

[woven coyote]

They dont explode unfortunately

[brave robin]

lemme steal an image off da internet

[fast dew]

They are incredibly similar yeah, but i gotta ask, aren't mimic sentients from natah? I don't think they look like her all too much, but. That could be bcs theyre mimics

[dark compass]

They should mimic may paycheck

[brave robin]

I'd assume so but Mimics reuse assets from the battalyst and simbilysts

hard to know if thats intentional or a budget decision

[woven coyote]

It could also be different than what we think and the process for ones like erra and natah being some sort of ascension or evolution process

[brave robin]

also Conculysts are all red now, compared to how they used to be and how they look in codex

idk if thats a bug, Summulysts also have a bug where they teleport when you ragdoll them in an obviously not intentional way

[fast dew]

Erra and Natah come from some. Birthing process, hunhow's womb and all

[brave robin]

Manifold i think is the term

[fast dew]

No he. He uses the word womb

Hunhow got a uterus, according to himself 😭

[brave robin]

sentients have wombs yes, but Natah came from the manifold

""Do you remember, Natah? That first day. How our father, lifted you screaming from the manifold. How we sang.

Pazuul dialogue

[woven coyote]

That's what i'm considering tho
What if unlike with mamals the "womb" or manifold was for ascending fragments into different functions rather than generating from 0

[brave robin]

also here is this

[dark compass]

Lullaby of the many folds

[fast dew]

And sentient reproduction is tied to the womb, hunhow cannot make other kids due to it being void scarred

[fast dew]

How i be looking at my housemate sometimes

[fast dew]

This is mucking foul and I love it

[brave robin]

Adis is when they forgot to do dishes and dactolyst is when im gardening

[dark compass]

I'm sorry

[brave robin]

omg i just got that

[fast dew]

Don't be sorry nuclear

[midnight ice]

like a... you know how in the murex you see a writhing pool of ferrofluid-ish liquid with definitely-not-repurposed-Alkonost-models writhing in it? and once you approach it spawns some brachs?

[brave robin]

tha's amazing

[fast dew]

Its amazing im saying I like it

[dark compass]

Ok fine daily dose of praise finally acquired I can go play Deadlock now

[fast dew]

I am both, on a consistent basis

[woven coyote]

Maybe? Dunno it just struck me that we assume hunhow's womb to work the same as with mamals when that is not necessarily true

[brave robin]

I only garden at night while I cry about the lullaby

especially with how i always think about condrixes at the opening line

[fast dew]

I only use edibles when i dont have any mixers for my alcohol 💔

[dark compass]

My body would turn into dust from anything remotely alcoholic

[brave robin]

moonshine

[dark compass]

My tolerance is incrediby low

[fast dew]

I shouldn't drink so I haven't bought any more mixing shit for my bottle of midori, because mm melon

[midnight ice]

has warframe ever mentioned liquors not from cetus? i vaguely remember a cetus liquor being a thing

[fast dew]

There.. was one

[midnight ice]

corpus wine on boxy bottles. corpus boxed wine

[fast dew]

I remember hearing it while I was scouring for any orokin spirits

[woven coyote]

There is one from a leverian that baro brought as decoration

[midnight ice]

oh the wine from Ash's lore, i rmb

[dark compass]

The ash wine

The wine from ash

[midnight ice]

only from freshly pressed Ash

[brave robin]

Nef Anyo can't handle his liquor, Frohd only drinks bourbon and Darvo gets shitfaced daily

[dark compass]

Darvo is a teenager partying his life away

[fast dew]

I unfortunately don't think there's any distilled stuff from the empire era that an orokin would drink and thats sad
-# unless the definitions have changed and wine is suddenly not just fermented grapes but now its distilled for extra strength !!!!!!

[midnight ice]

darvo divebombed a pool table once

[dark compass]

Clem was underneath

[fast dew]

Popcorn is covered in liquor™ and is feeling miserable bcs some mean person poured one out on them

[fast dew]

That is offensively red and opaque holy hell

[midnight ice]

hundred grand stale wine 😭 oh Baro

[dark compass]

Tomato juice

[fast dew]

Thats tomato soup

[dark compass]

Bloody mary

[fast dew]

Thats not wine thats a mucking soup

[midnight ice]

thats definitely just tomato juice he's poured into a random cup he found off an orokin tower floor

and went yeah this is absolutely a claret of aged DeNas that was within breathing distance of ash

[woven coyote]

Reminds me of when darvo conned baro into consuming martian jellyfish delicacy or whatever it was

[fast dew]

And Drusus ate that shit up

[dark compass]

Poured in the Cephalon glass jar

[fast dew]

We need to know why Parvos isnt invited to any of Baro's parties

[brave robin]

Parvos showed up to one and started networking, Baro didn't like that

[fast dew]

More importantly, who is invited?

[dark compass]

Parvos obviously started stealing cutlery the moment he showed up

[brave robin]

Darvo, probably the Worm Queen. Clem obv. Maroo and Varzia, any remaining dax. there is probably a peace agreement for rival factions

[dark compass]

This would be so in characters for him

[fast dew]

Let Loid go to the party.... let him try and help the wait staff.........

[midnight ice]

parvos obviously went "have you heard of our lord and savior, Desire?"

was not supposed to reply

[dark compass]

He is an opportunist

He was just stealing shit from the party

All the prisma spoons in his pockets

[midnight ice]

prisma butter knife...

[fast dew]

It still works

[midnight ice]

elixis teaspoon..

[fast dew]

The 20000 different sizes of spoon

[dark compass]

The last straw was the Inaros themed plate

[fast dew]

Parfait spoon......

[brave robin]

Parvos keeps eyeing Karishh's exo-sac

[fast dew]

I have one somewhere

[brave robin]

what is the most expensive thing Baro owns. I have to imagine the executor's archwing has to be it right?

[midnight ice]

"and then i asked him why? why do you do this? and parvos looked at me and said, because it's the one thing you can't replace" or however the skit went

[woven coyote]

Looking for the inbox messages about this and i found darvo talking about using the atterax to clean pipes in his ship

[midnight ice]

life size statue of inaros

[fast dew]

John Mulaney or however you spell his last name mentioned

[dark compass]

He is selling his pipe cleaner for 150 plat

[fast dew]

It would have to be, i think?

[brave robin]

or the paracesis skin

[dark compass]

Sounds rather unmatched

[woven coyote]

Oop it was baro who conned darvo

[brave robin]

either or

Executor personal sword or executor personal archwing

[fast dew]

Still confused as to why the Paracesis sheath has obols

[brave robin]

will probably get Nitokh stuff at some point, and other stuff

[dark compass]

I can't believe it. Fish trades for prime junk are canon

[woven coyote]

Lol

[brave robin]

Obols are a standard Orokin motif that shows up everywhere. They were in the void LONG before deimos was added

[fast dew]

No? Its explicitly an entrati thing

[azure jasper]

funny to think even darvo can get conned

[strange turtle]

Corpus techbro reinventing american sink disposal

[brave robin]

they were in void towers first

[fast dew]

The obol description ingame says its from the entrati family

[brave robin]

yea, but they are used everywhere

[fast dew]

The obols found elsewhere likely come from the people who kept them for good luck

Or, its an entrati device.

[strange turtle]

As what?

[brave robin]

on walls

[fast dew]

Do you have a screenshot of what you're talking about?

[brave robin]

i can't go in game rn but they show up in Railjack towers and void towers

[midnight ice]

oh, the window things

[fast dew]

Hm?

[strange turtle]

Not Obols

[fast dew]

Those arent obols 😭

[strange turtle]

Those are just golden circles

[fast dew]

Obols are smooth and coin like

[strange turtle]

Like a component/part of something. Obols are different shade with none of that detailing

[dark compass]

Those are subwoofers to play tileset music

[fast dew]

The obols found on the paracesis' sheathe are entrati obols

[midnight ice]

obol example, since i have it handy

[fast dew]

Albrecht really just plasters that shit everywhere

I respect it

Gotta keep to the aesthetic

[brave robin]

and its in the descendia too

Roathe is so traumatised he got it in his mindscape too

on the ceiling

[fast dew]

It is funny, that entire thing is ||self inflicted|| and he still acts like ||Albrecht actually kidnapped him||

That. Is a interesting shape of an image

[midnight ice]

he's got portraits of albrecht tortured in his descendia for some damn reason

[fast dew]

Though, these memories are tainted by us, marie and lyon

[midnight ice]

and statues having lava poured on them 😭

[fast dew]

One statue has a Uriel head grafted on

[dark compass]

I portrayed myself sitting on a golden throne and you as a tortured soul in descendia

[brave robin]

god i didn't realise just how many circles show up in orokin stuff

outside of Entrati

[restive lantern]

They really like them

[fast dew]

Circles are just useful

[midnight ice]

where on earth do you get this hilarity. youve got like a million in the back

[fast dew]

Have you noticed how many rectangular things you have in your place of residence?

[brave robin]

I have 3 rectangles in front of me, 2 for me laptop and 1 for me phone

[fast dew]

Mm, windows? Floorboards? Tiles?

We can make these things non-rectangular

[brave robin]

well im not at home rn. University

[restive lantern]

Obols are actually based on an irl Greek currency, Greeks really liked circle motifs in their art too

[brave robin]

📝

[midnight ice]

getting shot at but idc i found it

definitely a vandalism of his usual portraits

[brave robin]

Roathe try not to project challenge level impossible

[midnight ice]

statue with uriel's head

[strange turtle]

They also had an association with death (entrati’s whole vibe), since they’d be placed in a corpses mouth to pay the few for Charon’s ferry in the underworld

[midnight ice]

and that is all my excuse to stay up and do a bit of descendia

something something what are they paying/warding against/evoking by using the motif everywhere something

[brave robin]

https://tenor.com/view/wall-e-waving-hi-hello-pixar-gif-13419445619151660415

probably wally

[restive lantern]

I'm trying to so hard to restrain my disorderedness about Greek art but I did not go to art school and suffer through art history classes to not;

"The Early Iron Age of Greece is a period known for its lack of productivity and creativity. As such, scholars have tended to disregard the content of painting on vases during this period, which often included circles.

Circles have, however, been a consistent motif throughout the Greek world. Without falling into the trap of pure speculation, it seems that if

1. the painted circle required the special expertise of the compass and multiple brush to make it,

2. there is evidence of celestial and divine forces being highlighted in a circular means through astronomy, the position of the tholos door facing East, and coinage, among other factors, and

3. there is evidence for concentric circles representing the cosmos in the Geometric Period through stars and suns, then the concentric circle featured as the protagonist in Protogeometric pottery may have been a celestial and religious symbol, evident from an affiliation with or inheritance from these elements.

The onset of cremation in the Early Iron Age may also be linked to the prevalence of the circular motif in the Protogemetric period."

Source; academia,edu (I couldn't post the link due to discord blocking it 💔😔)

Basically they really liked circles for a while LMFAO and entrati/orokin is very much inspired by ancient classical era Greece

I would say they are also a astronomical influence as well, very much that aesthetic

[restive lantern]

True!

[dark compass]

I can't tell if this is supposed to be ironic or not

[midnight ice]

no its a genuine compliment i think you're funny

[dark compass]

Oh uhm

[midnight ice]

astronomical clocks!!

[dark compass]

Thank you

[midnight ice]

the labs also have a bunch of doohickeys

some real thingamajigs of unknown use

[brave robin]

the cat in a hat type shit

[restive lantern]

Yes! That Pic is from the lab actually! It's what's above the pool in old peace

[brave robin]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-in-the-hat-time-gif-18674059

is this entrati?

[restive lantern]

I could be convinced lol

[strange turtle]

No

Entrati’s crimes aren’t as bad

[dark compass]

they also have an elitist fish in a bowl

[brave robin]

“Hi my name is Entrati and I need your help against the indiff—“

[desert oak]

This one fascinates me, it's so wonderfully inspired by Francis Bacon's Head VI/Study after Velázquez's Portrait of Pope Innocent X.

[fast dew]

It represents tau, i think

I had a image i made of it hold on

Mm, cant find it

[ocean geyser]

As of now they’re just there for the sake of steel path gameplay
There is literally no lore yet

If only he was Brazilian and Trans too….

It stacks additively

[violet storm]

What does being Brazilian have to do with double jumping?

[ocean geyser]

Brazilians can double jump

Obviously

[violet storm]

I feel there’s a reference, because trans people double jumping comes from Celeste, but Brazilian?

[dark compass]

Jetstream Sam

[violet storm]

I KNEW IT

[fast dew]

Explodes

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/exploding-cat-cat-car-meow-explosion-gif-13527070362113797677

[tall echo]

"losing my identity wondering 'have I gone insane?'
to find the truth in front of me I must climb this mountain range"

[gentle isle]

nah nah you got it wrong, trans ppl can air dash

double jumping is a whole different ball game

[topaz pawn]

technically it's an omnidirectional momentum boost

[rotund trellis]

Saving this

[fast dew]

Ive never been able to airdash 💔

[brave robin]

Must be a bug

[fast dew]

Clearly I am just cis and I lied to myself

[gentle isle]

surely will be fixed in the next patch, trust

[fast dew]

I'll wait, patiently

Like most of you guys and the Kim system

[main arch]

I think I know the Operator's ultimate fate at the end of the story. They'll be made to fall asleep, as they had been in the beginning of the game.

We end... as we... began.

[unborn cosmos]

what's this

when I examine it I hear things like the same "hey kiddo" I heard from the lotus-helmet-wearing-ms.-replica

[strange plinth]

reliquary drive
powers the void transport of the railjack, provided it has the power source (a giant finger, elaborated on later) inside

[midnight ice]

reliquary drive that runs powers your railjack's void travel capabilities

[tall echo]

Other way around

[midnight ice]

?

what am i missing

[tall echo]

The drive is the engine

Ohh wait you just used weird wording

Nvm then

[strong viper]

I would say autism seems to be linchpinned more in rell. Perhaps tho like entrati was on the spectrum, what we used to call "aspergers" or "high functioning"

[wanton mauve]

So I read that if you look above Dagath's Hollow you can see what her face looked like before it was laser-blasted off her warframe.

If this is actually what her face looked like, why does it appear so human? I've never seen human-like faces on warframes.

[midnight ice]

she was specifically designed to have a permanent smiling face

her "face" is scattered all over the Hollow btw not just the ceiling

[strong viper]

Like as a kink thing, but it grew to guilt and terrify her masters

So they burned it off.

Discarded her like a toy.

[midnight ice]

i dont think its guilt or horror. they just grew bored

[tall echo]

~~cross out like this~~

[wanton mauve]

I read her lore, I didn't realize that there were 'decisions' in how a warframe was designed.

[strong viper]

No grandma said that it mocked them

[strange plinth]

^ no longer taboo, they no longer cared

[strong viper]

More distinct but similar to boredom, yes

The depravity turned into "wait thats too nice now"

[strange plinth]

yea, the warframes are designed to be Like That
with few exceptions
mirage prime was seemingly able to modify her own design, based on the prime trailer

[midnight ice]

"they wearied of her", not really mentioning any specific negative feeling asides from the fact that parties got too awkward with the lifeless doll near them

[desert oak]

Lavos Prime is the biggest example of a Warframe manipulating their own design.

[strong viper]

Bless, seen, respec

[midnight ice]

was caliban p a gift or a tribute for peace? i forgot

[tall echo]

Warframes are very much designed, you don't get such things from infestation running wild

[strange plinth]

collaboration between the two sides, tribute to the peace

[tall echo]

A cooperative project

[midnight ice]

ah yeah, supports the "theyre designed" point

[wanton mauve]

Ah see I thought it was 90% the infestation working with the tiny ingredients with intention but ultimately the result was random

[strong viper]

Yeah, but the intention of the couple to destroy the face, and the emotional buildup before the laser. It suggests precedent. Maybe a guest's comment, maybe a repressed resentment

[midnight ice]

huh

let me reread

[strong viper]

Nothing specified but the visceral reaction they had to specifically the face, and the link to why she is a Dullahan

The mirror that accused what happened to her, so she defaced them

There needs to be a disgust, a kegare or a geass to trigger this punishment.

And it all centers around two things:

1. Names.
2. Faces.

[tall echo]

If dagath prime doesn't come with a restored face (alt) helmet I will riot

[drowsy saddle]

All around me are familiar faces

[strong viper]

Familiar places.
Worn out faces

[drowsy saddle]

Dagath prime will have even less head

[tall echo]

Worn out places*

[strong viper]

Parallel conjugation you right

[drowsy saddle]

I mean

[midnight ice]

like if we can get gersemi why not a Daface or smth

[tall echo]

I've listened to the song a LOT

[drowsy saddle]

Dagath's face is worn out

[tall echo]

No that line was right

[strong viper]

I really hope instead of orokin filigree sanitization we get her post abandonment at peak goblinmode zombified. Maybe keep some burnt gold accents

[tall echo]

"The betrayed dax"

BETRAYERS

[drowsy saddle]

I wouldn't be optimistic, lavos prime didn't keep the helmet scar

[strong viper]

"She was an anarch, or something..."

"That's anachronistic!"

"Exactly! You see!"

[midnight ice]

USURPERS

[tall echo]

How is that related

Base lavos had that melted bit for visibility, prime doesn't have a gigantic brim

[desert oak]

I always forget that the Yersin skin isn't base Lavos, I got so used to it that I had to put the Yersin head on the Prime or I'd forget I was playing Lavos.

[strong viper]

Sad space ninja pirate noises

[tall echo]

-# he's neither of those

[quiet tide]

I wonder if Fibonacci ever gets claustrophobic in that tank of his

It seems really cramped for a fish that big

He’s honestly due for a bigger one in my opinion

[strong viper]

....its me. Im the space ninja pirate.

[strong viper]

I think as long as he can stim and sing falsetto he good

But it would be nice, yeah

[strange plinth]

there's so much space in the sanctum, we should give him a bigger tank

[tall echo]

Breathe in, not out, only in, press your lips to your nose and recirculate the air. Fibonacci.

[strong viper]

Hm

What if the man in the wall is to tenno/cavia what tenno are to warframes.

[tall echo]

...a therapist?

[strong viper]

In a way? But also a daimon

A possessor. A confluencer.

L'Appel du Vide for Lotus.

[tall echo]

That's not really what tenno do tho

[strong viper]

Well, we use empathy. Lightside jedi it and all that.

And handshakes. You know, consensual agreements

Even wally needed a handshake. But it reminds me of Lucifer as depicted in Supernatural, donnit

Or a vampire at your doorstep.

You need to Invite them in.

Something Albrecht clearly did not do...

[restive river]

The tenno don’t use empathy to control, they use it to calm and retain control

[strong viper]

I never said control, I said confluence

[restive river]

I don’t think Drifter has empathy for the maw lol

[strong viper]

Daimons don't control, that would be Demons

[strong viper]

Drifter is a bit of a special case.

Infused with Le Vide. (Allow me to marie a bit)

Its like aging wine kinda

[midnight ice]

i do. i love the little guy

[restive river]

Elaborate

[tall echo]

Trying to read the bible out of a comic book

[strong viper]

Drifter was steeped in the mirror that was the void. Operator had cryosleep and the aang treatment

[restive river]

They both were in the void

[strong viper]

Yes, but drifter for much longer. Enough to forge duviri

[restive river]

Yeah and?

They didn’t gain void powers they just were in the void

[strong viper]

So, time experienced for drifter in the void leads to a deeper understanding, whereas operator gets the juice

A classic argument. Nomos v phusis

[restive river]

The Drifter uses transference through two methods
Innate transference, which they got from the Operator during the New War and transference through the Lotus’ hand which they use in Duviri

[restive river]

Deeper understanding of what?

[strong viper]

Conceptual Embodiment, mostly

Hence we use drifter on KIM not Op

[restive river]

By experience sure, but they can’t control it they just know how it works
Which
Operator knows that too

It was taught in school lmao

[strong viper]

Yeah, op can probably scrye drifter

[restive river]

Also we use Drifter on KIM to date the protos, don’t see how CE relates lol

[strong viper]

Intellect is not experience and life aint a storybook

Thats the big diff between the two

[restive river]

They both have experience

[strong viper]

Also true, but i wanna give it MORe reasons than input design

XD

[restive river]

Drifter lived through conceptual embodiment, they can’t control it they just lived through it

[restive river]

What is the reason???

[strong viper]

Fighting, yes. But taking out Wally? He seems bigger

[restive river]

What?

[strong viper]

Sorry i should be roasting roathe rn not barking at you

[tall echo]

.

[strong viper]

I find some comics to be much more sacred than the bible xD

[tall echo]

I'm saying you're trying to read deep into something that isn't

Occam is a big fan of wf you know

[strong viper]

So is Roscoe

[strong viper]

You were talking about experience

They both have experience in different dimensions was my entire point

Even if they have both crossed the pond

The split matters at: Handshake

[restive river]

How does it matter in relation to transference?

[strong viper]

Not sure, you have a five star point there actually. But lotus did sorta "handwave" that for us as you explained as well so, idk. Pop a theory

[midnight ice]

i failed my grendel driving class by crashing into the orokin CVS man im gonna get an F tmr

[tall echo]

C'mon I made up a whole new metaphor for this situation

[strong viper]

You reused an old one! Sharpen your wit, razor!

Fear the basilisk

[tall echo]

Not that one

[strong viper]

Oops my pardon then

If you think about it tho, pali canon is a lot like a comic book sometimes

Or shinto, folk siamese, etc.

[tall echo]

You're confirming my metaphor

[strong viper]

XD i am saying these sacred canons are actually much written like comic book serials

Not to read the sacred from them.

The sacred is selfchosen, natural. You don't buy it from a guru

Or a nerd

Or the Book of Judges xD

[unborn cosmos]

why does ivara's agile look like that

I describe it as "an ivara who got hit really hard in the stomach"

[fast dew]

Smthn smthn going hunting

[dark compass]

"going through the swamp"

Zephyr harrier is the same

I like these sets, they put a huge emphasis on shoulders

Great if you want to put something bulky there

[rare scarab]

wait can the drifter go through every other protoframe’s “Infernums”

[midnight ice]

probably? if we put them in the refractory we can go through their personal hells

[rare scarab]

now can the drifter go through people’s imaginations too 🤔, we could have a dnd style descendia in Amirs head lol

ideal way to DND

[royal quiver]

Will the stalker ever become playable I really like using him in the quest

[strange plinth]

you can use him in duviri w/ opportunity intrinsics
but no, probably not outside of that

[humble sierra]

The Descendia is Drifter, Lyon and Marie using the Dark Refractory to go into Roathe's mind to make sense of his fractured/missing memories. As they go deeper into his mind, they go literally go deeper down the floors. Unlike Perita which are actual memories, here there is a mix of 4 people's memories (hence why there's Narmer, 1999, and Duviri enemies) and their biases of the Devil of Tau moniker causing it to look like Hell.

[drowsy saddle]

Hell is truly orange

[royal quiver]

Any frame you suggest that is like him?

[midnight ice]

ash

[strange plinth]

ya, ash is fairly similar
kullervo basically has his 1, and his 4 is pretty similar to nyx's

actually ash's 3 is stalker's 1 isn't it

[royal quiver]

I see

Thanks for the help

Should I get ash prime?

Or base?

[strange plinth]

basically the same

[royal quiver]

Okay

Thank you

[old wharf]

I wish Warframe made a quest called: "Love after system domination."

Dante will provide the fanfics.

[rare scarab]

oh 4 people's memories not just ROathe's ok

ya i was wondering why Roathes knows of Kullervo and oraxia

[old wharf]

"Love after universal control."

[midnight ice]

he opened warframe wiki on the pc

[fast dew]

Yeah what

I mean, is it like explicitly about the kullevero and the oraxia? Because there were probably multiple copies of them

[strange plinth]

drifter's in there too
most of the enemies probably come from drifter actually
narmer deacons, scaldra n techrot, vor, etc

[fast dew]

Mm. Drifter memories

Good soup

[midnight ice]

we're just missing void angels as enemies drifter wouldve seen/remembered 🤔

[strange plinth]

hm
do we know the full list of bosses in descendia?
i wouldn't be too surprised if one could show up in that slot

[midnight ice]

unfortunately not :(

it would make sense, imo. Drifter spent ages in the Zariman. would've met the angels over and over again

horrific constructs of was-familiar faces cemented as a reminder that you are deeply alone etc

also funny marie/lyon going "what the shit is that?"

[strange plinth]

yea, they would've seen at least a few before they escaped into duviri
ignoring angels of the zariman obv

[strange plinth]

a healthy dose of sanity in regards to the angels would be nice lol

[fast dew]

Though, lyon going "yeah I saw this when I was 10 once" and never explaining after would also be funny

[midnight ice]

"oh, yeah. the people i see in the halls every day familiar faces practically family turned into beings singing for a god behind the glass windows and blast doors. theyre just around"

"WHAT?"

[midnight ice]

i wonder what it felt like, seeing those for the first time

pulling away from whatever lump of void-metal it gestated from or warping from someone you remember meeting in the gym

would the drifter reach out? hold the metal? its the closest thing we have to company (asides from the cephalon) in there because lord knows the Orokin, much less Tuvul, is any more human than these things

[drowsy saddle]

I remember bringing an RPG from the tank fight all the way to Roathe

[strange plinth]

Quinn was around long enough to warn the drifter to not listen to familiar voices, not sure about anything beyond that

[midnight ice]

Hello roathe! have you ever felt a high explosive anti tank round to the face? would you like to?

[drowsy saddle]

Cleared the first HP bar iirc

[midnight ice]

all i hear is "i can theorize about whatever i want based off the mental image of the drifter beholding breathlessly a towering choir of fractals and loss" /j

[midnight ice]

no wonder in some voicelines hes like hack hack cough ough that fucshfnfjdh sucked

[strange plinth]

-# Drifter: So far as I can make out, they used to be people. When the Angels’ song reaches them, they start to change. Once they can’t resist it anymore, they become Angels themselves.
-# Eleanor: The future, as you describe it, sounds bloody horrible.
-# I can’t blame you for wanting to hide away from these Void Angels. Especially if they were…
-# Oh. I just got a feeling. They weren’t your parents, were they?
-# Drifter: I think they were, yeah. Quinn warned me not to look for familiar voices. That must have been what he meant.

[midnight ice]

maybe the warning was around when angels of the zariman happened, which is post? duviri? i'm a bit tired and the mental timeline is a bit all over the place + i have a tendency to tunnel vision on certain ideas i find cool in isolation

does corrupted vor still do his speech in descendia?

it would imply the drifter knows it by heart now

[strange plinth]

angels would be after duviri yea
though other stuff from the convo is definitely from before duviri happened, as its talking about how drifter made it

-# Eleanor: The Kingdom you used to rule over. Duviri. You didn’t invent it, did you?
-# Drifter: I did and I didn’t. The place and the characters came from a children’s book I used to love. ‘Tales of Duviri’. I brought it to life through the Void.
-# Eleanor: However did you achieve that?
-# Drifter: I was all alone. I guess the other kids were dead, or rescued. I’m kind of hazy on the details.
-# The Angels were coming, breaking through the walls, and I had nowhere to run. I had the book, then I just remember thinking ‘This is where I can be safe.’

eleanor r4c5 for reference

[midnight ice]

OOH, okay

[fast dew]

Book explicitly made for you to not cause conceptual embodiment

The devious drifter:

[restive river]

Wally took that as a challenge fr

[midnight ice]

this server has spoiled me in terms of game-knowledgeable people because what is this theory

it would be cool if it does look different according to the frames we use

[strange plinth]

it would be
but like. what're they talking about?? what do they think is different when they use harrow?

[midnight ice]

the decorations; they assumed the tortured albrecht painting only appeared when you're in harrow?

ah well, i don't want to dogpile(?). it would be a cool little thing thing if they did! we already have Honoria for frame specific clearing

[strange plinth]

definitely odd
yea it would be cool some more specific room decor relating to Lyon and Marie showing up occasionally, outside of their assigned rooms

even if not related to the frame you use (as i imagine that could get weird, code-wise)

[midnight ice]

french flags instead of paintings if you run as gemini marie/lyon

[midnight ice]

it could be done, i think, a little like how baro thinks you're a poor hobo when you use a reg frame and lauds you when you use a prime and fawns when you use inaros/inaros p. a conditional if frame = the three stooges, then render x deco

however the bugs itll introduce would probably give one hell of a headache

[dark compass]

He also sells a unique mission if you come with Inaros Prime

[fast dew]

Conceptual embodiment Olympics or whatever

How many of you were waiting for this channel to go active holy hell

[drowsy saddle]

i like watching the debates

and the occasional fresh blood with a completely wrong take

[fast dew]

The lurkurs....

[midnight ice]

id win by thinking up the worst possible outcome and then have it happen. "if i step on the crack in the zariman tiles im going to die by meteor" and when i blink id be conceptually embodied into being dead as hell

[drowsy saddle]

the lovers...

the dreamers!

[fast dew]

The fool!

[midnight ice]

the gays

[fast dew]

The bells of Notre Dame

Mm, Marie would've seen Notre Dame

Wonder if its called something else?

[midnight ice]

since "notre dame" is our lady (mumma Mary) maybe smth related with Lua and Sol

[fast dew]

But here's a question, because your conceptual embodiment was allowed by Albrecht's, does that makes his better than yours?

[midnight ice]

https://tenor.com/view/zombie-hitting-floor-tantrum-frustrated-mad-gif-5087982069269191926

[fast dew]

Ohh, maybe they'd have specific churches for either aspects? "Our lady" could absolutely still work for Lua

[midnight ice]

right across the street from the Our guy church

[fast dew]

Mm, it would be "Our Lord", i think that could fit

I wonder if the entrati family libraries have anything on dualism

Poking at Loid to show us around the libraries

[pale cedar]

Go ask the librarian

[fast dew]

Dante? Dante's dead smh

[opaque zenith]

Rebuild him, we have the technology

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure Sol is the woman in the relationship pantheon, lua is the dude

[violet storm]

You could ask Loid. Though the gruzzlings probably have eaten most of the books by now

[drowsy saddle]

One vein at a time

[violet storm]

Lyon says “Lady Lua”

[drowsy saddle]

Well hek

[violet storm]

Same with Viktor

[strange plinth]

tbf Lyon also says "Appearing in many forms over the centuries to many believers. Sometimes male, sometimes female. But always as Sol, the Sun, and Lua, the Moon."
so its either/or, simply depending on what the common depiction was at the time

[drowsy saddle]

Genderfluid gods

[opaque zenith]

-# [...]
-# Yes, some sects can be a bit strict in their choice of iconography, declaring that Sol "Must" be one way or "Must" be another but the Orthodoxy does not recognize this as fact.
Religious peple disagreeing on their own lore, I'll just say "good one writing team" and stay silent

[drowsy saddle]

Explain the trinity without becoming a heretic

[opaque zenith]

The hhhmmmm... the 1 and 4 is heal, the 2 is energy, the 3 is dmg redirection

[midnight ice]

HAHAH

Sol and Lua canonically has schisms this is wonderful. i'm gonna get a guy to hammer 95 99 complaints on the church door

[drowsy saddle]

Protestant reformation but its over whether or not Sol and Lua are yuri or yaoi

[strange plinth]

yea i'll support this

[opaque zenith]

how about 99 complaints to stay in-universe

[midnight ice]

and ☝️ they have their own denominations where they argue if its t4t yuri or cis yuri or

and they also skim off 10% of your hollars every week

[violet storm]

Doesn’t one of the drifter’s messages to one of the hex mention that gender is effectively like a fluid to them and the orokin? I May be misremembering something

[fast dew]

No ive heard that one before too

[drowsy saddle]

Are there ABO elements or not, do the different genders count as different identities? Etc etc

[fast dew]

DO NOT

DO NOT BRING UP OMEGAVERSE

[opaque zenith]

TOO LATE HUNHOW EXISTS

[violet storm]

Confused Screeching

[fast dew]

He got a uterus its a whole thing

Hes me fr

[midnight ice]

church of the dualism omegaverse holy light of the heart or whatever protestants name their churches these days

[drowsy saddle]

I know its a metaphor, but its really weird to think that a factory is considered a uterus for the sentients

[violet storm]

I mean…

Eh?

[midnight ice]

hysteroctomy (machine shop closed)

[fast dew]

No i think he is deadass when he refers to his womb

[violet storm]

Sterilization(void scorch)

[fast dew]

Because its
On his person
And it got void scarring

[drowsy saddle]

Can't we make like.... Fertility boosters for the poor sod

Look if i can reignite Maruzensky then i can surely do the same for Hunhow

[violet storm]

I Am remembering when he was showed up in Natah. I think he refers to Natah as the last of his womb outright

[restive river]

Womb = built-in factory

[restive river]

Erra always was a disappointment

[fast dew]

Also the jade email !!

[fast dew]

You do have a point. If I was to ever get my uterus cremated should I label it ss a factory or like. The manifold

[strange plinth]

quincy r3c4 is the only mention i can ever find like that
-# convo's moved a bit but i'm sending it anyway !

[restive river]

My point is more it’s not literally a womb lol, he calls it that metaphorically

[violet storm]

He dreamed too big. Also helped ||a narcissistic megalomaniac enslave the entire origin system and destroy the SUN||

[restive river]

The sentients aren’t biological so they would have something else but still similar in some ways
The main way being
Birth!

[restive river]

Why did bro do that even I still don’t know why 😭

I know Ballas is manipulative but jeez dude he’s an OROKIN y’know THE GUYS YOU HATE the GUYS YOU WERE AT WAR WITH

[violet storm]

Good question

[fast dew]

Smthm smthm face eating leopards or whatever

[opaque zenith]

Note that, by the OP quest, we are actively searching for a sentient that can heal.
-# Drifter will get the hunhuss[2035'd]

[violet storm]

what

-# very confused

[opaque zenith]

The heal part? Adis -> sing -> revive -> Lotus want to find another one

[restive river]

Question is uh
Why are we doing that

It’s never explained lol

We uncovered the truth of tau and what mom took from that was we need to go there and also find someone like Adis ig

[fast dew]

Its never explained how the old peace was "the only way to find Albrecht"

[restive river]

For some reason

[drowsy saddle]

Frankly i feel like the Old Peace is Albrecht's way of telling us to take a sabbatical

[restive river]

We are one of if not the most important piece of the plan and I feel like the adults won’t tell us anything

[drowsy saddle]

Fek off from chasing me and go dig up your husband's corpse

[restive river]

They won’t even tell Drifter anything
At least they got something when they saved the Hex

[opaque zenith]

Hear me out, whatever the reason for the search, we find a healer, go to Tau and the sentients still (reasonably) mad get and use it to make an imortal hunter, BAM! Sentient liches

[drowsy saddle]

We peel off individual sentients via xenoflora and then go through the whole adversary process

[restive river]

Well we would find the healer IN tau but yeah maybe lmao

[restive river]

Wait no that’s actually awful

The Drifter would 100% do that

[drowsy saddle]

The lootgremlin within can't resist

[midnight ice]

WE'RE GIVING HUNHOW FERTILITY PILLS?

👅

okay pardon me

[midnight ice]

i love you forever wokeframe

[midnight ice]

"take a mf vacation to Tau, maybe thatll make you feel better"

[white sable]

Where did the operator that got stabbed in the new war went?

Because drifter was the operator that didn't get rescued

[opaque zenith]

Traped in a recursive timeline

C:\Redacted Files -> 10. Ballas and 11.Drifter https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Operator_Report

[tall echo]

The "flashbacks" are what the operator experiences until getting freed by drifter

[dreamy peak]

Hey, so parvos getting a bunch of entraiti relics is insanely bad right? Besides the whole void time travel thing he might uncover, when reading the description for vessel capillaries, reveals that they are a crucial component of entrati's vessels. I dont know what vessels in particular its talking about, but isnt it those massive marble like humaniod constructs?

Anyone potentially confused, this is referring to disruption in the labs.

[strange turtle]

Yeah, those are the Vessels

Anyway, it’s not that bad

These aren’t like, super energy sources or weapons

It’s historical relics and mementos. Valuable, and some probably have something special in them, but no more worrying than the many other Orokin stuff laying around and getting salvaged

[tall echo]

You are aware that we're not giving him capillaries right

[dreamy peak]

I assumed the capillaries was the relics, or atleast part of that set. Since i dont think we actually know what relics we are giving him. (Unless i missed it in the leverian) Could range from the item i mentioned to necamech technologys.

[strange turtle]

Its not

[dreamy peak]

Its not mentioned or its not the capillaries? I just dont wanna accidently misunderstand.

[strange turtle]

Its not capillaries, and its not stuff like necramech tech

Parvos wants to make a museum

Thats why he wants Drusus and the Leverian, and why we’re giving him the relics so readily

[dreamy peak]

Ahhhhhhhh. Ok i definitely missed the part where he was making a museum

[strange turtle]

He’s not looking for weapons or some Entrati supertech, he just wants artefacts people’ll pay to see and that he can potentially get any kind of knowledge off of

Parvos Granum: "Drusus Leverian. What purpose does your Leverian serve? What does it build? What does it earn? Nothing. A dusty temple for idle history worship."
Drusus: "How dare you. It's… no such thing! You will get your payment. As agreed. My associate will make sure of it."

Parvos Granum: "If you truly desired greatness for the Leverian, you would have made it happen, Drusus. But you haven't. Instead, you idle away the years, content with unfulfilled dreams and comfortable mediocrity. I desire greater things from the Leverian and her archives."
Drusus: "You will get your payment, Mr Granum, and nothing more."

Parvos Granum: "When I take ownership of your museum and all its contents, will you, Drusus Leverian, be included? Make this easy for me, and I will make that transition comfortable for you. But if you prolong the inevitable…."
Drusus: "I… I… cannot lea— You… You will be paid. And I will keep the Leverian."

Theres more but those are the ones that’re most direct about the museum bit

[dreamy peak]

Ok i havent seen that third one. I have seen the other 2 though, just thought it was under the context of making money off the relics at the time (in an different way)

[tall echo]

Consider this; we get the capillaries

[dreamy peak]

Warframe talks alot about getting shares of a reward. With how little we get for each necramech kill, i just thought we gave some of those shares to whoever at the time

[dark compass]

Rent

[sharp breach]

https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1476271194637598824

Idk what this guy needs

[cedar comet]

Yo when we going to tau??

[strange turtle]

This year

Next big update

Like, the end-of-year ones I mean

[pale cedar]

When I decide to actually repair your drive to let you go

[wind egret]

Possibly a dumb question: Did we ever land on a consensus as to what/who the man in the wall is? Or even what "the wall" is?

[strange plinth]

easy bit first, the wall of lohk is the border between the void and the 'regular' world
seems like he's stuck in it due to having one or more fingers cut off by what was essentially a closing door
as for TMITW himself, he seems to be a conceptual embodiment that was made accidentally by albrecht

[ocean geyser]

Speaking of Wally
When ”XATA FASS XATA” happens
It sounds a bit like Albrecht’s voice is mixed into the vocals

You can mainly hear it when “Xata” specifically is spoken

[waxen mesa]

I still say the void is alive and Wally is simply the void gaining the ability to manifest a form from Albrecht CE'ing one. and I shall be proven right in 5 decades when Tau arc finishes

[restive lantern]

Doing kim chats with roathe and disliking the Albrecht even more 😭 you think he would learn to stop experimenting as idk if it's working out for him lmfao

[fast dew]

Mm.

Withhold judgement there.

Folk should probably hate Roathe more tbh

Not enough Roach hate

[gentle isle]

Should we?

[normal mountain]

I'll agree that there's too much Albrecht hate

But I disagree with hating Roathe

[strange plinth]

not enough roathe neutrality

[fast dew]

I mean, we got him

Excusing whatever the hell that happened to Margulis [no, i do not care if you're projecting Roathe, im still gonna not like that]

"No no you gotta understand killing children was normal for us, evil is subjective so you should think this is fine, but i swear i don't like it (he still did it)" [how many times do you think people used this exact excuse to rid themselves of blame?]

Him being. Generally responsible for a lot of death, because he thought he could rule the empire better

Hypocritical to hell and back. "Albrecht you killed animals!!" How many dax, grineer and sentients could've lived if he didnt send them off to die?

"Albrecht!! You didn't love people [that you were forced to be with]" ||meanwhile, he was plotting to kill the woman he did love||

Im seeing too much Roathe positivity, we need to even it out and make it more neutral. Because. For some reason murdering possibly hundreds of innocent sentients is. Excusable

Like are we forgetting this man has killed hundreds, and sent even more to their graves?

Dont forget the tenno that died by his hand, or order

At least Albrecht has the grace to feel bad.

[normal mountain]

The "normal" bit obviously doesn't get a pass
But you seem to be ignoring the part where it was originally a volunteer-only process

[fast dew]

Yes. Roathe was still around when they used children. Seemingly, exclusively children, going off the whole "only available yuvan" line, while loads of dax and grineer were around

[gentle isle]

I think roathe genuinely dislikes the idea of continuity but wants to express the nuance of it

[fast dew]

And then comes the question of consent when its a cult activity

[gentle isle]

He does say "no one should live forever"

[fast dew]

Like sure, the folk in jonestown willingly died, but how brainwashed do you think those people were?

[normal mountain]

I really wanted to let that carriage die when it kept saying that
funny enough, it happened anyways

[normal mountain]

By the "volunteers kept getting younger and younger" line, it seems they weren't exclusively children
At first

[fast dew]

At first, yeah

How much of his recounting is history or memory?

Roathe generally seems to be a young orokin, i dont know why but he has that vibe

[normal mountain]

And Grineer are more than likely ineligible for Continuity candidates

Due to being clones

[fast dew]

Well, it can and has been done

[strange plinth]

i mean. the queens used grineer bodies for who knows how long

[normal mountain]

Socially ineligible, I mean

[fast dew]

I mean, I don't think that would make them care, or they should care in event of executor death

[normal mountain]

Obviously, if there's no other choice, there's no other choice

[fast dew]

Roathe. Gives excuses, which is something I don't like

[wind egret]

I have the same theory, honestly

[fast dew]

Albrecht just kinda does shit and goes "yeah I did that i feel bad but I did that"

[normal mountain]

I personally think he's still grappling with the concept of "this was wrong" to begin with
Talking to him, it seems Orokin believed in their lies about as much as the common people

[gentle isle]

Not saying roathe is free of fault but the fact that an orokin like him ends up ||wishing to be... different I guess is the best way of putting it||, is quite a feat in and of itself

Like, given everything we know about the orokin, the bar is very low

[fast dew]

A near death experience does that sometimes

I think folk forget that Roathe is supposed to be a proxy of Albrecht's own guilt and issues

Roathe is supposed to be worse than Albrecht

roathe is worse
roathe can find forgiveness and redemption
Albrecht can find forgiveness and redemption

[sharp breach]

Idk what roathe has done really what is a comparison of roathe to albrecht being worse like
R:killed 3 and A: killed 1.5 people

[fast dew]

Roathe has killed way more than 3 lmao

[sharp breach]

It was an example clearly stated by the idk what roathe has done lol did you even notice the statement A killing 1.5 people means he just made a person go half limp lol

[jolly root]

Basically i think entrati is hoping his family and loid can reconcile while roathe might forgive himself eventually and that means maybe albrecht can forgive himself

[loud oriole]

">Albrecht can find forgiveness and redemption"
-# those are the names embossed on the missiles that blow him up in the gif, aren't they

[jolly root]

Haha

I love that

The best comparison i can have is mass muderer one sends worse mass murderer to see if its possible to redeem the worse one

I understand entrati believes amd might be necessary but i still dont like how hes not telling us anything

[dire mountain]

Yeah

He believes he can't because the Indifference and everything

But it's also kind of, counterproductive

He is absolutely terrible at communicating so he just never tries

Which goes against his own goal of defeating the indifference

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[loud oriole]

wait theres like 6 of them, what are the other names

[sharp breach]

It feels like the wally modeled his face off albrecht to spite him

[dire mountain]

Wally mimics because it doesn't really have a form of its own

Its been trying though, with the Murmur

[strange plinth]

even those seem to be imitations of human anatomy, though
<lyon joke here>

[sharp breach]

So the man in the wall look is a eldrich mass of murmur flesh?

[glass sluice]

Hey now, Werner Herzog looks fine.

[restive lantern]

This is such a wild and insensitive comparison 😭😩

I don't like Roathe either but that doesn't make what Albrecht does okay in anyway lmfao

[fast dew]

Oh my god.

Just because roathe is a victim doesnt mean hes somehow any better.

This is literally what its for

This isnt some interpretation thing, Roathe is worse than Albrecht for the explicit purpose to show that Albrecht can also find redemption.

Also, if you don't want to argue with me, why do you continue to reply to what i say?

Manage yourself.

[restive lantern]

Thomas, you literally replied to my statement 😭

[chrome sparrow]

This is not what I was expecting on my first time looking in on this chat.

[humble sierra]

We're not normally like this we swear

[restive lantern]

Not the roathe pfp im so sorry 😭

[chrome sparrow]

No one will make me hate him. I was already indoctrinated with La Emet-Selch. XD

[glass sluice]

I mean, thomas is.
but most people are chill here.

[idle fog]

polygamy's apparently a canon thing in warframe lore

neat

[chrome sparrow]

It is!

[glass sluice]

When there's several trillion people, I think people just stop caring that much.

[chrome sparrow]

He is allowed to have his opinion

Even if is sticks like a bad fart

[humble sierra]

Thomas likes Albecht a bit too much methinks but if not for that we wouldn't have Rebb subtly confirming stuff about him having more kids that Euleria

[fast dew]

Its not that i like him

We share some similarities that make it hard for me to tolerate when people are being dense about it

[idle fog]

one of the warframes everyone I own apparently has lore related to it too

[fast dew]

Dagath?

[chrome sparrow]

All the character is Warframe are very well written.

[fast dew]

Mm, hardly poly tbh. It was a intimacy slave situation

[chrome sparrow]

I like a character that most people hate, but I also enjoy trash men

[humble sierra]

Roathe is fun to talk to

[idle fog]

one sided love warframe when

wold spend plat on it fr fr

[glass sluice]

Roathe is one leg flip away from flashing the entirety of the crypt. Man needs to put on some pants.

[chrome sparrow]

No he doesn’t. XD

[restive lantern]

Oh for sure, having your opinion is fine. Guarding spoiler and lore chats like a famished feral dog and and treating anything anyone says you disagree with like a steak chew toy is a different problem lmfao and unfortunately is common

[strange plinth]

as well as 90% of the orokin apparently

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/stop-fighting-smiling-friends-no-fight-stop-it-stop-arguing-gif-8713281799291953889

[restive lantern]

I do love the dramatic way he talks lmfao

[glass sluice]

well, they don't call him Ba..... I'll stop now.

[chrome sparrow]

Ah, so not safe for a fanfic writer that throws out the toys that she doesn’t like. Got it.

[humble sierra]

I haven't been downed since Uriel is OP, but he has a voice line that is just him crying for help

[chrome sparrow]

I love that line. It’s hilarious

[fast dew]

This is so funny considering i write fanfic

[glass sluice]

We can tell.

[chrome sparrow]

You won’t like my fanfic

[fast dew]

People when special interests act like special interests

Impossible to comprehend

[restive lantern]

Unless their special interests includes things you disagree with lmfao

[chrome sparrow]

This game is my current hyper fixation and I will sit in my corner and give my blue blue devil cat all the scritches

[humble sierra]

I have no idea where this conversation is going but I fear it

[restive lantern]

SAME ON THE HYPER FIXATION

[midnight ice]

actually watching his descendia cutscene appalls me because then i realize how little he's wearing downstairs. like you're just going to let your little uriel hang like that? goodness me

[fast dew]

Anyways, i do try to avoid insults, so im just gonna modmail that

[restive lantern]

Not little uriel 😂

[idle fog]

holy shit same on the hyper fixation

[fast dew]

A long list.

[glass sluice]

I once referred to it as his "little demon" and got yelled at. I regret nothing.

[idle fog]

my testimony is that Warframe freed me from my bo7 hyper fixation

[humble sierra]

Considering he was wearing that when helminthed and it seems like it's already been helminthed over, I'm imagining there wasn't any cloth there beforehand

[midnight ice]

the whole cathedral is going to see your fourth demon put some jeans on

[chrome sparrow]

My hyper fixation befire this was FF14 and Emet-Selch sooooo

[restive lantern]

You've literally called me dense and directed insulted me before but okay.

[glass sluice]

Is hyperfixation like a zoomer term for "enjoying a specific thing"?

[restive lantern]

Oh I'm actually neurodivergent

[glass sluice]

I see the term used really casually these days, I thought it was an autism thing at first, but there's no way with this level of common use.

[humble sierra]

Just picture him giving hologram speeches like Ballas and being in the front row

[chrome sparrow]

No, it’s a term we autistics use to describe something we are hyper focused on

It is also used in the HDHD community

As they also have that

[fast dew]

That comes from folk who think its a hyperfixation is when its actually a special interest.

For me, my hyperfixations affect my physical health

[lean garden]

I feel like "little uriel" was used somewhere but I can't remember where

not in game for sure

but somewhere in some Warframe/DE capacity

[humble sierra]

Rebb prolly

[restive lantern]

It's also used for ppl with OCD and ADHD I believe

[glass sluice]

See I didn't know any of this stuff existed, because I went to school in a place where anyone who was different was just sat at the back of the class and ignored.
gotta love rural schools and ignoring students needs.

[fast dew]

Shout out to the time i got hospitalised for being a little too special over a band
-# sleeping is hard when you're listening to things super loud

[fast dew]

Its gotten better! Im pretty rural and we got an alternative college program rn

[glass sluice]

My grandmother was put under "watch" for, and I quote "nerves".
I'm coming to terms with just how bogan my childhood was.

[restive lantern]

(I got OCD + get compulsively obsessed with things)