lore-discussion

[spice spade]

Hmm I dont consider that as evidence tbh

[drowsy saddle]

Marie is a sister of Sol

[midnight ice]

then we come to "do you consider veneration of the literal Sun and the literal Moon to be the equivalent of worshipping gods and, therefore, in your definition, uncomfortable?"

[opaque zenith]

If only was 101% or -1% for the extra irony

[glass sluice]

And also: gods existed before that, according to Lettie's KIM's.
basically just knock offs of the south-american old timeys.

[drowsy saddle]

Random tangent, but I'm surprised DE flipped the traditional genders applied to the sun and moon

[midnight ice]

Based Extremes

[glass sluice]

a company that is bold enough to name its anniversary items "Digital EXtremes = DEX", is capable of anything.

its the denim. It gives them power.

[drowsy saddle]

And give us weapons like SayGex prime, Sesbian Lex prime

[glass sluice]

pardon the freaking what?

[midnight ice]

(sagex and lex prime)

[opaque zenith]

While that's correct for the common depiction, notewhorly that some languages goes by the moon being male adjective and otherwise for the sun

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah, the usual assigned genders stem from Greco-Roman mythology

[glass sluice]

that is the farthest ive ever seen someone to go, in order to make such a terrible pun.
not even fun terrible

[drowsy saddle]

I know several people who've spent the 15 plat to rename their lex to sesbian lex

[strange turtle]

Thats, really not that far

[drowsy saddle]

And the sagex is just asking for it

[glass sluice]

I do wonder what Orokin found a greek mythology text book to steal a bunch of their naming conventions.

[opaque zenith]

I had forgot which ones, tnx

[glass sluice]

i hope it was a different one to the Shakespeare nerd.

[drowsy saddle]

I mean, titania and oberon..

[glass sluice]

Yep, exactly that.

ya just know some dorky orokin thought they were so slick

[drowsy saddle]

Dante is named after famous Italian fanfic writer

[midnight ice]

self-insert bible fanfic

[drowsy saddle]

Da bibble

[glass sluice]

which does imply that the history of certain things was similar enough to our world for those names to happen

[midnight ice]

harrow Crucis helmet implies that jesus? (or it's handwaved as Lua, see: Lyon) and crucifix imagery is (was?) a thing at some point in the wf history

[strange turtle]

Unfortunately with Ballas being the one in charge of the Warframe project, and knowledge on that era, especially religion being restricted (with him potentially being at least partially in charge of said restrictions), it’s likely that the names/themes for IRL-based frames themselves were his ideas

[glass sluice]

someone in charge of a project is rarely doing the actual work on said project, just saying

i can picture ballas as an Edison.

[opaque zenith]

IE. Sylvana's lore

[strange turtle]

Yes, which is why I said the names/themes

[drowsy saddle]

I mean, mirage is proof if you had enough force of will, you could bend the helminth to alter your transformation

And temple... Is a can of worms im not drunk enough to open

[strange turtle]

And not the actual work that goes into the frame itself

[opaque zenith]

Revenant prime going: yo, I'm here now

[strange turtle]

Temple’s simple though? Ballas got inspired by Flare’s stage persona, realised maybe making a frame based on a figure like them was actually a bad idea, shelved the project, then Albrecht picked it up and gave it to Flare back in Hollvania, where they became the first person to get Helminthed with it

[drowsy saddle]

Fair enuf. Temple just gets really close to a bootstrap paradox imo

[strange turtle]

Not really?

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure there's implication that Flare is the only temple ever built, ergo is also the source of the strain albrecht took to 99, balas never built a temple for albrecht to copy

[strange turtle]

Albrecht doesn’t need a built warframe to copy

[spice spade]

Who is that

[strange turtle]

The strain itself was already created, he just took that

He got the Temple strain from, wherever and however he got his Helminths, went back in time, gave it to Flare, and then Flare took a nice nap until the Drums

[drowsy saddle]

Marie Leroux, Wisp protoframe and devoted Sister of Sol, came from... 1899 to the modern day to oversee the Devil of Tau

[drowsy saddle]

^

[spice spade]

Ok

i can say you guys are like the codex of warframe

[normal mountain]

This channel is, ye

But the real codex is Cephalon Scrap

[drowsy saddle]

The official wiki is a godsend too

[glass sluice]

A combo of a good knowledge base + a competent wiki can help do a lot of the lifting, it must be said.

[spice spade]

???

[drowsy saddle]

The orokin are arrogant

[spice spade]

Fah

[drowsy saddle]

They like to call themselves gods, they aren't, we stabbed them

[midnight ice]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperbole

[spice spade]

Fah

Ok

[glass sluice]

idk, Nietzsche did okay with it.

If you played like, most jrpg's, your brain would explode.

[drowsy saddle]

Mfw a group of teens shoot god in the head

[spice spade]

Fah

[drowsy saddle]

Also the plot of bloodborne...

[spice spade]

fah

[glass sluice]

Imagine them playing El Shaddai: Ascension of the Metatron

just 🤯

[midnight ice]

a plot of a lot of games to involve divine imagery, if you really need to cross-check everything you can always put down the game and pick up something else less, what, blasphemous?

[drowsy saddle]

Like... Idk what sort of media nowadays doesn't have a reference to the big G?

Tetris?

[glass sluice]

Say "goodbye" to someone and its technically a religious statement.
not even kidding.

[midnight ice]

big G and very liberal use of lowercase g

[midnight ice]

oh i know this. god be with ye -> god b w/ ye -> goodbye

[glass sluice]

the more i think about this the funnier it is.
even the title would take them out

[still frigate]

is there a concrete description of what a transference bolt is?

[buoyant bridge]

I don't think so, just some internal device that recieves transference energy

[silk atlas]

no lol

[strange plinth]

afaik the transference bolts aren't even brought up outside of the sacrifice

[nocturne valve]

Bekran Zaft was probably shaking in her boots. funny, but cool lore. Mop and bucket prime

[strange plinth]

the only survivor of that prison, because lavos respects janitorial staff ig

[buoyant bridge]

Common lavos w

[strange plinth]

indeed

[fast dew]

Janitors go through shit i dont blame him

[tall echo]

"You're not guilty of anything. You're good"

[fast dew]

Awh adis the the baby :(

I feel paternal over adis

[fleet furnace]

some people seem to really hate adis, i get why but like really?

[ocean geyser]

They’re always unusually vocal about it

[fast dew]

They usually hate children too

From what I've noticed at least

[fleet furnace]

doesnt surprise me, adis is like a child

[fast dew]

Adis is a child

[cosmic badge]

Adis is fren

[fleet furnace]

i mean, yeah,

[fast dew]

Its a weird pattern but its always the people who really like specifically Marie, Roathe or Aoi, who heavily dislike Adis

[fleet furnace]

now thats curious, marie and aoi seem rather playful while roathe is... roathe

[fast dew]

Yeah most Roathe likers are just

"I can make him worse" then claim they have media literacy

[stiff beacon]

Roathe is just a wine aunt

[slender needle]

hey guys

I need all the lore for the sentients, where would I find such a thing

[fleet furnace]

scattered, everywhere. just how warframe lore in general is

[slender needle]

well everything that we have until now, beginning to end

[fleet furnace]

you might be able to find large chunks on the wiki but take the wiki with a grain of salt, not everything on there may be accurate

[slender needle]

because my character is sentient and I wanna make some lore for her

[fleet furnace]

what i do know off the top of my head is, the sentients, or what would become them, were a corpus creation for getting to tau, they went to tau building the rail, realized the orokins gluttony would devastate tau too and rebelled (or their hivemind did anyway) on perita they found the xeno flora which gave them individuality which opened the doors to peace between sentient and orokin, until ballas screwed that up

[strange plinth]

don't know of any complete collection, not sure if the orokinarchives site has anything on just the sentients
as for in-game, it kinda picks up during Natah, a decent amount of hunhow's dialogue everywhere he is, erra and pazuul's dialogue, natah's ropalolyst speech
uhh
there's a little bit in the sacrifice vitruvian
old peace, obv
feel like i'm forgetting another big source

[fleet furnace]

simaris

[slender needle]

I'm stealing that tysm

[fleet furnace]

simaris scans detailed the origin of the sentients

[slender needle]

and my character will make use of the xenoflora, so

[strange plinth]

ah, right, the crewman synthesis

and lancer? i think
has the attack on the mining platform that got grineer 'upgraded' to soldier

[slender needle]

I'm thinking of how to add my character into the lore without it being too derailed from the game

[fast dew]

Don't forget that most orokin hate AI, that being the sentients, so if you wanna make shit sad you probably could get an orokin to bully them

[fleet furnace]

other than that i think thats largely it, theres the alad v deal going into the ropalolyst fight thats scattered somewhere but

[fast dew]

Also, in regards to the appearance, face plates seem super uncommon

[slender needle]

wdym face plates

[fast dew]

As in only 2 sentients have a human face and both are supposed to "infiltrate" human society

[strange plinth]

Adis's mask, Lotus's,, face

[fast dew]

You know how adis has a face, a human ish face?

[slender needle]

yeah

[fast dew]

Thats actually a mask, if you remember

Natah only has one because she's a mimic, she can just do that ig

[slender needle]

but the face under the mask seemed real tho, so I'm lost on no faceplates

[fast dew]

Im talking about the masc

[slender needle]

I may or may not have a head full of rocks when it comes to lore

[fast dew]

MASC.

He certainly is masculine

Im all over the place, excuse me

[fleet furnace]

would assume mimics can do that, there was also the other mimic in the alad v story going over the amalgams too

[slender needle]

so most sentients don't have those masks?

[fast dew]

Grey can you explain it better, im dying 😭

[strange plinth]

only two examples out of the however many unique sentients, yes

[fast dew]

We've only seen 2 out of the. Idk how many but a lot of sentients we saw, even on tau

[slender needle]

so it's best to assume they're uncommon as of right now, I understand

[fast dew]

Mhm, if not phased out entirely after the events of the old peace

[slender needle]

and are the sentients evil? or something

[fast dew]

Given its probably of orokin design and all, and the sentients dont seem too fond of the orokin

No, just another minority the orokin screwed over

[fleet furnace]

my assumption is for sentients meant to adapt to human/orokin/tenno ways they probably would have a mask but most werent so

[slender needle]

okay, so every faction hates the orokin?

[fast dew]

Yeah, the orokin were mostly child murderers

[fleet furnace]

pretty much, orokin made one problem, then made a second in the process of fixing the first, and so on

[slender needle]

and the orokin created sentients?

[fast dew]

And then you got the entrati family, who. Are pretty. Normal compared to other orokin

[fleet furnace]

corpus did, but they were originally made for the orokin to get to tau so

[fast dew]

And thats saying a lot considering the family's whole deal

[slender needle]

Tau is what again? the moon?

[fast dew]

Corpus Archimedian suggested it. The orokin hated ai, which lead to the whole. Meat tower stuff

[fast dew]

The system

[fleet furnace]

the other star system the orokin were trying to colonize

[strange plinth]

another star system
the orokin were worried that Origin would run out of resources, so they were looking towards the (maybe) nearest neighbor

[slender needle]

and the corpus worked with them because of greed and rewards?

[fast dew]

Yeah. Probably

Or under threat of death, the orokin liked that too

[fleet furnace]

corpus were also tamer back then i think too

[strange plinth]

-# although we still don't know if Tau is the planet or the system
-# but Tau works for either. whatever

[fast dew]

They still are, mostly they're just merchants

[slender needle]

and what about the Grineer

[fast dew]

Grineer are clones

[slender needle]

were they just normal people

at one point

[strange plinth]

Grineer were the cloned slave labor for the orokin

[fast dew]

They looked normal

Then clone rot started happening

[fleet furnace]

well they werent wage slavers like the modern corpus, atleast from what i understand

[strange plinth]

one of them killed a sentient at one point and then they became soldiers too
but they were still mostly manual labor

[slender needle]

and I'm guessing the Grineer still "work" for the orokin?

[fast dew]

True. Though parvos was a super bad loan shark, so it was always destined to end up the way it is

[fast dew]

Yes! The grineer worm queens were orokin outcasts

They just used continuity to swap bodies when they need

[fleet furnace]

in the modern day... well theres the queens who are orokin who lead the grineer but theyre largely their own faction now id say

[strange plinth]

technically?
they "rebelled" against the orokin during the collapse, but the queens are still orokin, just continuity'd into grineer bodies
the kuria describe how the queens started commanding the grineer, idr details off the top of my head

[fast dew]

They still have orokin. Minds i guess

[slender needle]

and was Ballas a prince for the Orokin?

[fast dew]

No clue how the loyalty gene thing works

[fleet furnace]

executor, one of the seven leaders iirc

[strange plinth]

Executor
they acted on the will of the Emperors, or doing whatever the hell they want in absence of a specific will
apparently

[slender needle]

okay so there were seven leaders, and do we only know of Ballas right now?

[fast dew]

He was an executor, a member of the seven, the leaders of the orokin empire, which are technically lead by the emperors but they dont do anything

[fast dew]

We know all 7. Avantus, ballas, karrish, Niktoh, Tuvul, scarne and tormis

[fleet furnace]

we know all 7 executors, and which ones are confirmed to be dead in the modern day

[strange plinth]

we still have 3 with unknown fates, 4 confirmed dead

[fast dew]

I think the only unconfirmed deaths are the ones introduced in the old peace, that being Scarne, Tormis and Niktoh

[slender needle]

those names seem awfully close to the Archons

unless I'm just wrong lol

[fleet furnace]

i wonder if niktoh will have a larger part to play with the tau story, but we wont know till we know ig

[fast dew]

Avantus got sawed in half, Karrish got. Eaten by Grendel i think, Voruna messed up Tuvul, we killed Ballas

[strange plinth]

karishh got eaten by grendel, tuvul got eaten by voruna, avantus got a grineer saw to the back, ballas died during TNW

[fast dew]

Heheh

[strange plinth]

-# if i had a nickel for every time an orokin executor was eaten by a warframe-

[slender needle]

and did the Orokin have a normal city life or something?

did they have a kingdom?

[fast dew]

Richer than rich. Shit you cannot even comprehend

[humble sierra]

https://giphy.com/gifs/moon-black-and-white-i1iA5wwEuRQNq

[strange plinth]

Lua was their capital iirc
hence the giant towers

[fast dew]

They liked to wear people's mutilated bodies for fun, on their version of Halloween

[slender needle]

right, because they were basically considered gods

[fleet furnace]

empire but yeah, there were the towers and i asumme cities surrounding them

[fast dew]

The Entrati had Deimos, for some reason

Ballas lived on Mars apparently

[humble sierra]

Garuda's getting lore this year, lots of people think Nitokh is connected to her (Blood Queen / Gore Queen, Nitokh wields a staff in her statue that looks like the icon of one of Garuda's abilities)

[slender needle]

but hometown was the moon

[strange plinth]

Karishh was on europa, don't remember if he was always there or if he retreated there during the naga drums

[slender needle]

and that's why lotus threw the moon into the void?

[strange plinth]

after earth was made uninhabitable, yes

[fleet furnace]

yeah lua was the nerve center for the empire, lotus put the moon into the void to protect the tenno

tenno were all hidden away deep in lua when the war got to that point

[humble sierra]

No, she did it specifically because the Tenno were housed there. To prevent the Sentients from killing the Tenno, she kept it in the Void as it was poisonous to them.

[slender needle]

okay, so I'm making a floral sentient Warframe, who uses xeno flora as her "powers" and I'm trying to fit her in

[humble sierra]

Neat concept

[fleet furnace]

caliban specific lore might be relevant, titania and or oberon too maybe

[slender needle]

she will use bees as her first summon, until I find something else, and her other abilities work on setting up Altars and sanctuarys of flowers

[tall echo]

"And then there's chunky! He's dead."

[slender needle]

almost like a guardian

[slender needle]

explain o' wise one

[tall echo]

Sorry, good concept but I have to be funny

[slender needle]

that's fine, I'm not gonna bite you lol

[humble sierra]

Titania and Oberon are plant/nature related, Caliban is a sentient

[fleet furnace]

calibans lore deals mainly with unity of sentient and warframe, being that he is a hybrid of both, titania and the silver grove for forests and plants (the bee ability being similar to titanias razorwings) and oberon also dealing with plants

[slender needle]

my friend said caliban was really just used to keep Sentients sane

[strange plinth]

not sure where they got that

[slender needle]

the bees were supposed to kind of "mimic" the razorwings

[humble sierra]

Your friend isn't correct, base Caliban was made by Erra to try and merge Warframe tech with Sentient tech, and Caliban Prime is a symbol of unity between the Sentients and the Orokin.

[slender needle]

and since she deals with flowers, I thought bees would be cool

[fleet furnace]

caliban prime was a celebration of peace between the two, the xeno flora is the only thing that deals with sanity as far as sentients go

[fast dew]

Hell yeag

There are sentients that can remain sentient without xenoflora

[slender needle]

so could my Warframe have something to do with keeping sentients sane

[fleet furnace]

would likely fall under support, with healing being a big deal

[slender needle]

she was the guardian of the xenoflora gardens

[fast dew]

Mm. Amar...

[slender needle]

she is support based

[humble sierra]

It's less Sanity and more independence. The Xenoflora gives the fragments freedom from the hivemind

[slender needle]

support with a touch of cc

she will be able to spread tau

and buff/heal allies

[humble sierra]

Hunhow, Erra, Natah, and the named sentients we see outside of Old Peace weren't fragments so that's why they didn't need Xenoflora to have personality

[slender needle]

the only part I'm stumped on is drawing her

art isn't my strong suit

[fast dew]

fair.

[tall echo]

Ngl a xenoflora frame with an ability that suffocates enemies would be really cool and poetic

[fleet furnace]

that is a fair point, the air of perita is toxic to humans

[fast dew]

Ykwhat, doesn't need to be. You can make an oc even if you cant draw good thats how I started out

[slender needle]

art honors 2 did nothing for me lol

[tall echo]

That and yknow. The whole xenoflora extinction thing

[slender needle]

I can make the concepts, I just can't bring them to be

[fleet furnace]

yeah

[fast dew]

YOU HAVE ART HONORS AND YOU CAN'T DRAW 😭

Well thats good news for me

[slender needle]

so therefore, my Warframe should be the "Guardian of Xenoflora Gardens", or the last garden that was known to be alive

[humble sierra]

4th ability: Far Shore Forlorn - [Warframe name] forces her enemies to bask in the radiance of Tau. [range] becomes temporarily terraformed, covered in Xenoflora to heal allies and damage enemies.

[slender needle]

I find it boring lol

as much as I love art

[fast dew]

Fair

[fleet furnace]

warframe ocs are a fun thing to do, even more so when you drop them into other settings, i want to play my own thats based on operator and drifter in a dnd or star trek setting of all things

[slender needle]

I love making the ideas , just not drawing them

[fast dew]

That's why i spend most of my time drawing old men kissing

[slender needle]

y'all can give me ideas for Warframes and I could probably make something

[fast dew]

Well, tau xenoflora frame, as scrap and Arkadia suggested

[slender needle]

also, I made the water element an actual thing btw

effects and everything

[fleet furnace]

well, we have a wolf frame, we have cat frames, but no fox frame afaik, tho there are more interesting concepts like follie with painting and ink

[fast dew]

Sick, considering we have like. One water based frame and for some reason she's. Magnetic

[slender needle]

basically the Warframe I'm working on

[tall echo]

YEH

We NEED water to be its own thing

[slender needle]

I would post my water element stuff here, but it's a lot and it might be flagged as spam

[fleet furnace]

dont we have like two? hydroid and yareli?

[tall echo]

TWO

[fast dew]

I stand on Follie being the fear of self reflection

[fast dew]

Oh yeah, squiddy guy

[tall echo]

Hmm... kitsuneframe...

[slender needle]

I could probably make a fox frame

[humble sierra]

Soulframe got a Bearframe before Warframe did.

well, if you're not counting Rhino

[slender needle]

but we have a lot of stealth frames, and foxes are known for being sly

[tall echo]

Now my wannabe mythologist brain is interested

[slender needle]

so maybe based on confusion

[fleet furnace]

we also have monkey frame too, alot of animal frames actually

[tall echo]

grendel

[fast dew]

No mouse frame </3

[slender needle]

or lying, somehow

I could make a mouse frame

[tall echo]

I bet thomas gets the joke

[slender needle]

turns everything into cheese

[fast dew]

Make them French.

[slender needle]

French mice

are they blind as well?

[fast dew]

Make them a french cheesemonger from xx99

[fleet furnace]

hmm a mouse thats like a stealth frame, maybe a shrink ability like titania has with razor wings

[humble sierra]

No, Spanish-- one of Lettie's pets got Helminthed

[fast dew]

Another reason she hates Albrecht 💔

[humble sierra]

Roathe was the first Orokin Protoframe. Behold, the first rat Protoframe

[fleet furnace]

actually now that i think of it, plague doctor inspired warframe

[slender needle]

where would I even try to post my ideas for the game

[fast dew]

Mm, limbo if you count that helm he has

[humble sierra]

Lavos w/ that one tennogen helmet is the first thing we have

[tall echo]

Eeh, lavos took that

[slender needle]

I want people to judge my water concept

[humble sierra]

Subreddit loves fanart and concepts like that

[slender needle]

I made all the combined effects and everything

[tall echo]

Forums

[slender needle]

the forums confused me 😔

[strange plinth]

average forum experience

[slender needle]

there's so many things to click

and like, no xyz stuff

[fleet furnace]

yeah, but lavos is more alchemist, when i think of plague doctor i think of something like 049 but with an ability thats a swarm of rats that deals tox or viral along with a healing ability

[tall echo]

Click all things

[slender needle]

even the hot single women in my area?

I'm sorry

[strange plinth]

-# not once have i found a forum that's organized in a way that makes sense to my brain

[fast dew]

Reddit counts as a forum

[tall echo]

Trinity+dagath 4+revenant 1...

[slender needle]

reddit is easier to navigate though

[fast dew]

NAO I GOTNMY TESTOSTERONE ONNMY AOI SHIRT

[slender needle]

but redditors hate opinions or something

[fast dew]

True

[fleet furnace]

yeah something like that i suppose

[tall echo]

MALE AOI
MALE AOI

[fast dew]

ALSO IT HAPPENED AFAIB

SKMEONE THOUVHT LOID WAS ALBRECHT'S SON

[tall echo]

What

[strange plinth]

how does this keep happening, they're. so obviously not

[slender needle]

guys I need help

What should I name my Warframe, I suck at names

[fleet furnace]

i mean, i might be able to see where they got confused... but no

[slender needle]

she has to do with florals and plants

the theme is flowers

I literally named my dog Pebble

[fast dew]

[slender needle]

||he's a great Pyrenees and saint Bernard mix||

[fast dew]

We got a new part though, Loid is a clone of Albrecht

[fleet furnace]

flowers so something in the ball park of dryad maybe? like how titania = fae

[buoyant bridge]

What role would she have?

[slender needle]

my Warframe?

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah, the flower one

[slender needle]

well she's mostly support

with a tiny bit of cc

or status priming for a better term

[strange plinth]

anything flora-related, i usually steal part of or a whole scientific name for

[slender needle]

a dryad name might work

[fleet furnace]

had a random thought about elves, arent they usually stereotyped as living with nature?

[slender needle]

probably

[tall echo]

I'm blanking on ideas

[slender needle]

might even be a species of gnomes fr

[tall echo]

Writer's block is extending to naming now

[fast dew]

Species of GNOME

[slender needle]

exactly

[fast dew]

ON THE GNELF

[tall echo]

What the

[fast dew]

Dont worry about it

[buoyant bridge]

Achillea could be a good name, it's a genus of flower that was used to heal Achilles' soldiers in the story. Gallica is a species of rose, also known as the apothecary's rose, its extract can reduce skin inflammation. Rugosa is another type of rose, whose pollen or fragrance can cause allergic reactions, that could tie into her status priming

[fleet furnace]

ooo those are good names, ended up making me think of aloe, tho i dont think its as good a name

[fast dew]

It has been brought to my attention that the translation of the song that plays at the end of whispers is

Hurtful to me and maybe a few others

Behold my heart, fill my heart fiercely.
Eternal union, eternal union, I am your counterpart.

ARGGGHHH WHAT THE HELL MAN

DE TOOK ALBRECHT'S LEX PRIME AND SHOT ME IN THE MUCKING HEAD

Oh my god

Im not mentally okay

AND ITS IN RESPONSE TO ALBRECHT SAYING HIS OWN STUFF IM GONNA EXPLODE

"My strength, my support, my sanctuary. For you were my right hand." AND IF YOU PUT "I am your counterpart" AUGHDHSNDND

Im not okay

I need to sit down

[buoyant bridge]

[fast dew]

The song specifically is Yara Jeliira and

Exploding

[waxen mesa]

so what's the timeline

unless the old war ended with the old peace and what came next went by another name

didn't the end of the old war immediately lead into the collapse?

[twin wigeon]

theres two parts to the old war

iirc theres one among the orokin executors and then with perita wiping out the xenoflora and possibly the death of adis the one with sentients

after the sentients i tthink its the collapse in which the tenno realize how much harm the orokin are doing to the system and so on

[strange turtle]

Both were between the orokin and the sentients

[twin wigeon]

oh

[pallid spoke]

Remember that the Warframe's were created because of the Sentients.

[waxen mesa]

Warframes were created because the orokin are weirdos

"We need a solution to the sentients!"

"Ok hear me out. We infect people and let the demons control them. ' something seen as a perfectly reasonable idea

[pallid spoke]

I mean, true, but, The Sacrifice states that the Warframe's were a direct response to the Sentients.

[restive river]

Rail to Tau is established
Sentients fire back after second team arrive
Old War starts
Necramechs and Warframes are made in response to the Sentients
Necramechs are left behind as the Warframes do better
The frames go feral and are shelved
Zariman returns
The Tenno are taken in, transference is discovered
Tenno utilize the Warframes
Old Peace starts
Old Peace ends
(I believe it’s around here when Roathe get whisked away)
Old War continues
Hunhow destroys the rail
Old War ends

Very rough timeline, missing some events

[waxen mesa]

Ah so he just wasn't aware there were building tensions?

[restive river]

They were made because they can’t be hacked, it’s the same reason why they use low-tech weapons

[restive river]

He probably was but aside from reading about it he wouldn’t know it continued at all

[waxen mesa]

He must not have known Nitokh's plan or he probably would have assumed it worked

[restive river]

If he did leave after Hunhow broke the rail then ig that works too, he just had to leave before the Night of the Naga drums

[restive river]

Iirc Roathe is very epically part of her plan

[waxen mesa]

I guess if there was a multi year delay in celebration

[restive river]

Ofc she could have had her own too, Roathe did

[restive river]

Yeah, which I’m not sure if it was?

Oh
Wait
No
Reading what he said again those “years” are probably his time in 1899

lmao

[waxen mesa]

I think roathe"s response only makes since if he was in the old peace without knowing it was too come to an end

And yeah that too

He could be talking about his years spent in 1899

Er, leading up to?

He wasn't in a loop

[restive river]

So I believe this is the timeline with what he’s saying
He leaves right after the Old Peace ends
Stays in 1899 for years
Finally, somehow makes a time portal with his infested blood
That convo then happens

[restive river]

He wasn’t but we don’t know what year Albrecht dropped him off

Albrecht spent years in 1899 iirc so

[strange plinth]

iirc albrecht spent 3 years praying, disappeared for a while (idr if a measurement of time was given), then dropped roathe on their doorstep
roathe implies he spent a while recreating the helminth as well, but i don't think he gives anything exact there either

[fast dew]

Time does seem to be warped from xx99 and now

I mean like. There is time distortion

Its been possibly hundreds of years after the old peace, yet to him it just happened

[strange turtle]

He says “…too many years” in another conversation to the one where he explains what he did with the Helminth, so it at least took a good few years

Like, 4 or 5 at a minimum?

[restive river]

What do you mean

Like just the fact there are multiple different time zones co-existing with one another?

[fast dew]

Like, we come in when its the year xx99, not that Roathe's been stuck in that year with a loop, so logically there'd only be a very little amount of time compared to the time passed between the old war [when he got yoinked] and now

[restive river]

He says it’s been years, those years bring him trapped in the past

[fast dew]

Can you reword that my mind isnt working enough to understand what you just said

[restive river]

He gets yoinked
He’s stuck in Gaull for years
Then finishes the Helminth blood portal
Then we talk to him

From his perspective the war, the empire, everything was a few years ago but compared to when he’s arrived all of that happened over a millennia ago

[fast dew]

Ye thats what im sayin

[restive river]

Idk if I’d call it a distortion exactly, it’s more of a short cut

[fast dew]

Mm, is the proper word dilation?

[drowsy saddle]

Timey wimey slimey shenanigananery

[fast dew]

Albrecht's bullshit™

Albrecht's prospect? No, Albrecht's bullshit

[drowsy saddle]

Frakin orokin bullshit

[fast dew]

Freaking orokin bullshit!

Ignore how she'll say a slur

[blissful merlin]

Can’t wait for albrecht to visit 2099 to give us our new batch of protos lmao

[fast dew]

I really hope we dont get anymore

Other than like. Loid

Because he makes sense to become one

[drowsy saddle]

Separate polycule we can't join

[fast dew]

Dear god no

DE cannot comprehend how polycules work 😭

We have dagath and whatever the hell that was, and you got the hell that is the drifter/triad/hex is

Two chances and both struggle with the idea of consent, while one is intentional, the other

Makes it look like a pattern, yk?

[blissful merlin]

I want more but am hoping they hold off on them for this year at least…but if we end up with more protos by the end of 2026 I won’t be complaining!!!! Especially if that means MORE KIM CONVOS. But also like…give us an updated Kim chat with each of the hex members and round table. Even if it’s like 10 convos each like they did before with the hex!

[old wharf]

Does Bird 3 solo both of the Loids and us?

Does he solo the Lotus?

Atp we should just let Bird 3 do everything.

[fast dew]

Loid is a known killer, bird 3 is scared of guns ["boomies sorta scare me"] 😭

[old wharf]

In a fight with NO GUNS, stinky.

[fast dew]

Loid also wields the Ekhein almost like a warframe 😭

The big hammer !!

Loid is scary

[old wharf]

LIke really big?

[fast dew]

Not that he would ever hurt bird 3

[fast dew]

The head of Ekhein looks to be bigger than his own head?

We should all be thankful loid likes us

[old wharf]

nuh uh

[fossil zinc]

does dagath have anything to do with the entrati family?

[strange plinth]

somewhat
she gets her name from Grandmother, but that's the only connection
more detail in the story you can access in the dojo room

[fast dew]

The entrati family and meeting random warframes

Theres
Xaku + the frames that make up xaku
Lavos
Dante
Qorvex
Yareli??
And i guess dagath

[topaz pawn]

grandma just likes yarelis comics

[fast dew]

Mm, did grandmother not say she was a friend?

[topaz pawn]

I dont remember

[fast dew]

'Well. More someone than something, if I'm being honest with you.

This is for you, Tenno. The very, very old friend of mine mentioned before, finally located. Bring her to life, if you'd be so kind? I think my young 'tenants' on Fortuna would like to meet her."

They were friends

[topaz pawn]

wonder if she knew the original then

[fast dew]

She would've

[drowsy saddle]

Doe that mean grandmother had a sk8ter gurl phase?

[fast dew]

Plot twist, her and Albrecht got along and she taught Albrecht's old ass to skate

Shes Albrecht's lesbian best friend

All gays gotta have a lesbian bestie

[strange turtle]

Bird 3 is scared of boomies because he’s knows how weak he’d become if he relied on a crutch like that

[fast dew]

True....

Xata nuke....

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[midnight ice]

loid is STRAPPED where is he keeping his big ass zylok

[fast dew]

He pulls it out of the boob window, magical girl style

Same with the Ekhein

[fast dew]

So it got worse

Like you do

The devs were not playing with them

[strange turtle]

So we’ve got his secondary and his melee

And he’s totally a Limbo

But what’s his primary

[fast dew]

Give this man a bow.

Give him Paris prime

[strange turtle]

Paris
The city of love
And kissing other people of the same gender on the cheek

Checks out

[fast dew]

And other places, depending on the time of day

[strange turtle]

Wait is that France or am I thinking of Italy

[fast dew]

Paris, its france

[strange turtle]

No the kissing thing

[strange turtle]

You’re telling me, they have a platonic kissing timetable?

[fast dew]

Yeah thats just Europe but france does do that

[fast dew]

No its, its a reference

You weren't nerdy enough to realise dw

[visual crest]

i just finished the new war and im confused AF!! firstly, who the hell is the drifter? my guess is he's an alternate reality of the operator where he's not very spoiled and is more of a gritty nitty guy with his little smoke bombs

and if so how did he swap places with the operator when he was getting choked out by lotus

lastly does duviri paradox dive into who the drifter is??

[twilit crater]

it does

[strange turtle]

Duviri Paradox is the Drifter’s origin story, basically

[visual crest]

the new war doesn't really dive into who the drifter is right?

[strange turtle]

Yeah, it just tells you the basics

[twilit crater]

just says 'im you and youre you you'

[visual crest]

that he's an alternate reality and whatever, my only quesiton is when did we dive into the alterante realities?

[strange turtle]

We didn’t

[visual crest]

then how is the drifter.. the drifter and not the operator

[twilit crater]

whenever you die as the operator you go to a timeline where you didnt die

hence infinite lives

[strange turtle]

Zariman is just like, this weird thing where all the different versions of it mash together

The Angels of the Zariman and a later, spoiler thing talk about it

[pale cedar]

The Void

[buoyant bridge]

Not too far off. After the deal with the indifference, your tenno's timeline splits, the one that gets rescued from the zariman becomes the operator, the one that doesn't and creates duviri becomes the drifter

[twilit crater]

thats what the deal was

'i can save all of them' all of the versions that didnt survive along with the zariman kids

[visual crest]

deal with the indifference?

[strange turtle]

Wally

The Indifference is another name for him revealed in later quests

[buoyant bridge]

The creepy looking you that you shake hands with

[strange turtle]

(The man in the wall)

[visual crest]

that's the man in the wall right

[pale cedar]

Drifter was originally exactly the same as Operator but wasn’t saved when they shook Wally’s hand which created a split

[twilit crater]

void eyes

[visual crest]

ah cool, so they shake hands and that creates 2 different versions of the operator and drifter?

[buoyant bridge]

Yes

[twilit crater]

i dont think he shook wallys hand to begin with

[visual crest]

woah cool, when they shook hands was that a flashback or was that happening in the moment

[strange turtle]

No, they did

[pale cedar]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?

A. CORRUPT FILE DETECTED

B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[visual crest]

this might sound a bit annoying but why didn't he (drifter) get saved by wally if they shook hands

[pale cedar]

Wally didn’t feel like it

[drowsy saddle]

"never said I'd save you"

[visual crest]

and hence the drifter escaped through the void without any of the cool magic powers

[pale cedar]

Wally didn’t even lie lol just decided not to for whatever reason he thought of

[visual crest]

theoretically if wally did feel like it there'd be no such thing as drifter right

[strange turtle]

Something else happened, but you’ll learn about that in the Paradox

[drowsy saddle]

Za hando!

[visual crest]

alr well that's about it from me i'm sure i'll get the rest of the details from the quests

those were just some things i genuinely had no clue about at first

[strange turtle]

Kinda. Eternalism is about possibilites. If it was a possible outcome, it happened

So if Wally was the sort of person who aways held to the spirit of a deal, then there wouldn’t be a possibility of him rules-lawyering with the wording of the deal to exclude Drifter, yeah

[pale cedar]

It’s all about the thing that split them

Otherwise they would’ve been the exact same

Also if the Zariman wasn’t in the Void we wouldn’t have even got Duviri

[hasty jackal]

Hi! I have a conspiracy theory about Uriel Prime if you'd like to read it 😊✨
https://x.com/i/status/2025179824730349590

ソウル 🦈 (@DarkSoul1804)

I have a crazy theory about the Uriel Prime that Roathe is referring to... maybe, just maybe, it could be our beloved Ordis #warframe

X · Feb 21, 2026, 12:04 PM

[fast dew]

Something something eternalism

[pale cedar]

An actual example of it not players using it incorrectly like usually

[fast dew]

"[Favourite warframe] would win because eternalism" i might. I might throw someone

[pale cedar]

Here me out my favourite Warframe would win because it’s being used by Drifter who is a product of Eternalism and is the Chosen one

[fast dew]

And this is why you're my nemesis, nemesis.

[lean garden]

would be quite tough dont you think?

given we know how Ordan ceased being Ordan

[midnight ice]

"[favourite warframe] [it's harrow] would win because every harrow is connected with every harrow ever because eternalism and they can all come here and beat you up" ☝️ 🤓

slash j

[midnight ice]

ordis has wrapped up his own lore in the fragments, i can't agree

[strange turtle]

My favourite warframe would win because Nezha’s cool af in the source material, Wukong isn’t canon for [bs reason] and Atlas is a bum who can’t even break an asteroid properly 😤

[tall echo]

My favorite warframe would win

[fast dew]

My favourite warframe [qorvex] wins because

NUCLEA REACTA RAHHH

[fast dew]

I still think the most strangest thing is the eleanor wall

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

I say as I have the Albrecht shrine

[twilit crater]

thank you, my laptop is starting to implode

[twilit crater]

thats normal

[pale cedar]

Just your laptop much more than that is imploding

[fast dew]

See its different from me amd my Albrecht shrine, they probably have the wall from Attraction to the character, I have a wall of Albrecht shit so I can manifest a good ending to his story as I eat dirt to appease DE

[twilit crater]

welp

havent seen it yet

[fast dew]

Im doing some cult shit with the ground outside for a good ending

[pale cedar]

Think Eleanor was defeated by Marie in amount of dating when we got Old peace

There’s definitely people who refused to cheat

[fast dew]

Marie defeated aoi, lets be real

Theres gonna be more who dont care.

Cmon, nemesis. You know there's gonna be more that don't gaf

If there was a majority that cared, the consent convos wouldnt be so bad

[pale cedar]

Consent convos should’ve had break up options for them all

[strange turtle]

Nezha beats Qorvex because they have an in with Koumei, who can pass on the ancient Tiger Drop technique to him

[fast dew]

Some shouldn't even have a consent convos, just a breakup. DE may include queer characters, but theyre cowards when it comes to restricting the player base. I don't know whats worse to me/hj

[midnight ice]

your favourite warframe (qorvex) would win because

[fast dew]

Transition goals

Grendel and Qorvex are so gender

[north jolt]

The part with the worker always made this pic look straight up supernatural to me

[rigid brook]

Yo what's the current year of warframe, is xx99?

[fast dew]

Mm, no clue. xx99 is in the past.

[rigid brook]

You sure? It's like they got sent to our present. Kinda like us w the hex

[fast dew]

Dead sure. They're in our time, they come from xx99, but we arent in xx99

Current day warframe, I mean.

[rigid brook]

ah, and when we go to meet them we travel to xx99?

[restive river]

The Triad are in “xx99” but from context clues it’s 1899

Warframe’s actual current year is purposefully left ambiguous, I believe we have some estimates that vary but no true exacts

[fast dew]

-# and a few deleted things

[restive river]

We rarely even get to know how long some events were, we have zero idea how long the Old War was even

[restive river]

I mean even excluding that lol

[tall echo]

I'd say at least 5

[restive river]

maybe even 6

[tall echo]

8

[slender needle]

I went with the Achillea name

now what do we think about her being a "guardian of the gardens of Xenoflora"?

like a garden that was kept safe

[restive river]

So what Amar was doing?

[slender needle]

okay

I've been thinking on the lore with my clanmate

[fluid pebble]

I need to get qorvex (to subsume onto yareli)

[fast dew]

Peak subsume

[slender needle]

Perhaps he/she would be cast out by the orokin rather then the tenno. Maybe along the lines of their peace treaty and refusing to fight. Only protecting. Which may have been conflicting during the rebellion on the perita moon.

Which caused her to be fused with a Warframe when she was outcasted, almost like xaku, but a full frame + human, not failed frames

that's what I have as of right now

what do y'all think :)

[restive river]

Are they a Dax or?

[slender needle]

tenno

[restive river]

I hate to break it to you but the Tenno can’t be infested ):
but you could utilize the anomalous radiation that was mentioned during the Old Peace interactive, it seals a tenno in their frame forever

(This is if you want to be more accurate ofc)

[slender needle]

my clanmate was talking about some kind of soul ritual?

to fuse the frame and tenno

[restive river]

Uh

Do they mean continuity?

[slender needle]

idk, I asked him what it was, so it'll be a little bit

I was planning the soul binding ritual as well but since we were the first to do so and after thar the peace was broken i doubt we can use it

[restive river]

Mk, the only soul ritual I can think of is continuity

[slender needle]

that's what he said

[restive river]

Oh I think they’re referring to the graduation moment with Adis where our soul was symbolically bonded with his

If you want your tenno fused to their frame in any way I think your best bet is the anomalous radiation, we don’t really know much about it other than the fact it seals an Operator in their frame forever

[slender needle]

hmm

its hard to do this stuff when I'm learning the lore at the same time

and it's my second concept idea

[restive river]

If you have questions you can always ask for help

[slender needle]

just trying to make her fit in

with being a sentient Warframe

and not derail her lore too far from story lore

[restive river]

What are the requirements you want to fill? Just that she’s a sentient Warframe?

[sinful quail]

Hi i am the guy Xyhin is theorising with XD. i am not quite sure what you mean by anomalous radiation. you mean like Xaku fusing in the void?

[slender needle]

mostly yeah

[restive river]

In the Old Peace interactive there’s a bit about anomalous radiation that seals an Operator within their frame, this isn’t anything like Xaku
Xaku specifically likely didn’t even have an Operator anyway, their situation is more so 3 frames got lost in the void and somehow (likely conceptual embodiment) walked out as “void spirits” inhabiting pieces of several frames

[sinful quail]

Ohh i see what you mean. its what rell used to stay alive in harrow.

[pale cedar]

It isn’t

It wasn’t even a concept then

[slender needle]

but y'all said sentients can't be Warframes or something, so I'm struggling

[restive river]

So you’d have 3 options then
Option 1. Generation 1 Warframe, this is your Jades, Stalkers, Kullervos. These frames retain their sentience against the infestation through powerful emotions.
Option 2. The Anomalous Radiation, traps your tenno in their frame forever
Option 3. Protoframe route

[restive river]

Oh do you mean Sentient the faction :o

[slender needle]

yes

[restive river]

Ok, apologies lol

We have Caliban, he’s half sentient

[slender needle]

no need to apologize

[restive river]

He was made by Erra
So
Warframe Sentient fusions can exist!

[pale cedar]

Amalgam stuff

[sinful quail]

That they explained to us. DE has made old lore work in recent times with how to write stuff. it definitely could have been a thing but only now confirmed. all it says is that his mind was bonded to Harrow. its never stated how that worked

[restive river]

I don’t recall the exact details but I believe Revenant is fused with Eidolon power?

[restive river]

Rell used transference on Harrow and just stayed with him since he had to bind Wally

[slender needle]

so she was made by erra would be best idea?

[restive river]

If you want a simple explanation yeah, you can just say that

[sinful quail]

but transference needs a host body. its not liek Kuva transference where the mind can be fully detached

[buoyant bridge]

There are warframes that have fused with sentients in some way, so you can do that. Revenant with eidolon energy, caliban made from fallen warframes and sentients, chroma with his sentient pelt. There's a lot of ways you could fuse them

[restive river]

Caliban’s sister in a way

[restive river]

Clearly that’s not the case as Rell’s human body died while he was tethering Wally within Harrow

The Tenno are their minds, not their bodies
We literally change our state of matter with void mode and transference
We literally, automatically, reconstruct our human body on the regular
I specify automatically cause it doesn’t seem to be entirely purposeful and we kinda just bring clothes n stuff with us

[pale cedar]

Rell is directly stated as giving up his host body

Because he was afraid of dying undoing his purpose

So it couldn’t have been the new lore

[sinful quail]

thats why i think the anomalous radiation wouldn't probably work since the matter of teh body isn't really there. it would have to be like rell but at that point there already is a warframe no?

[restive river]

Wdym?

I’m not sure how the radiation is fitting in here exactly, I brought that up earlier cause I thought your friend had said they wanted a sentient (not the faction) warframe

[sinful quail]

i am just quite confused on what the radiation is and what it does? i can't even remember the mention of it

[sinful quail]

ahh that explains it. We just needed a fitting punsihment for teh tenno that rebelled. and we thought fusing it with a frame would be a cool idea. A Xenoflora garden guardian type of thing

[restive river]

They didn't tell us the big egg had fallen on a natural anomaly: a special kind of radiation that only occurs in one spot. At least I hope. That's why they wanted us down there. That's why they released the gas and blamed it on their enemies. Couldn't have anyone knowing the truth—that there was something in this universe that could seal an Operator inside their Warframe. Permanently.

From: https://www.warframe.com/the-old-peace/history-of-tau

[restive river]

I think if you want to fuse the Tenno to the frame forever then the radiation is your best bet, especially since it even relates to Tau

[sinful quail]

is this all there is about the radiation?

[restive river]

Presently yes

There’s a strong likelihood we’ll get more on it this year as we will be heading back to Tau

[sinful quail]

Very true. its weird how something this dangerous is just a quick mention. you would think they would have a whole research team on that

[restive river]

It seems like the Orokin know and want it to be hush hush

[pale cedar]

Orokin do love hiding things

[sinful quail]

understandably. if the sentients were to abuse this type of power they could effectively kill tenno and actually cull the numbers

[pale cedar]

It only took Ballas one woman dying for him to spill the secrets

[sinful quail]

Well he did betray both in the end. he shared what was needed. Dude is calculating of nothing else

[slender needle]

and I was making her a guardian of Xenoflora gardens

[slender needle]

might do fallen Warframes, since she's meant to be a protector

would add the sentimentalness or something

[strange turtle]

Silvana and the Silver Grove:

[slender needle]

its hard to type quickly with cold hands 😭

[sinful quail]

Tbh i am quite unsure about her lore. its very old so i ain't sure how it fully goes again.

Like i get she give up her body but how exactly she melded with the forrest isn't stated

[ocean geyser]

She literally used transference on a big tree

That’s it

[sinful quail]

Hmm there are too many types of transference XD. like how ballas used it on umbra to talk telepathically. Or blue kuva which is temporary.

[tall echo]

First isn't true transference, second just plain isn't

Continuity and transference are different

[sinful quail]

very poorly explained imo

[restive river]

Bluva is diet transference
What Sylvana did and what the Tenno used to do was Transference via Somatics
And now the Tenno just have it innately once again

[tall echo]

One erases, the other assists

[restive river]

Bluva is basically diet transference

[tall echo]

Temporary continuity

[restive river]

Diet transference

[tall echo]

...now I wonder what happens to the leftover body after continuity

[ocean geyser]

There’s a big difference between downloading yourself into another person’s brain and controlling them like a puppet

[restive river]

They’re temporarily taking control of a body while still connected to their own body

[restive river]

Bluva being described as the second one

[tall echo]

That's not a very good differentiation

[sinful quail]

probably material for either cloning tech or infested food

[ocean geyser]

I personally feel like they’re just fundamentally different but idk

[tall echo]

Replacing a mind and puppeteering are very similar, and also not quite how transference works

[tall echo]

I meant more like, before removal

Is it just a soulless husk

[restive river]

Red kuva is you delete another mind to take control of the body forever
Transference is your consciousness entering another’s to control their body, you can booted
Bluva seems to be a middle ground of the two if I had to guess

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[sinful quail]

it would probably be an alive body acting in coma. so indeed a soulles husk

[ocean geyser]

In terms of transference, the other’s mind can even effect your own

Hence animation sets and all

Drifter yaps about it too

[restive river]

What

[tall echo]

Bug type eater #1 yet you're not the literal anteater...

[sinful quail]

arent those just the original frame personalities ingrained into the blueprints?

the operator/drifter just kinda feel that again when transferred

[ocean geyser]

Its still the leftovers of their minds anyway??

[restive river]

Do they mention being affected too or was that just about the frames having fragments of personality?

[ocean geyser]

Both

[sinful quail]

more like a primal feeling. nor liek actual feelings

[restive river]

Their mind is subdued

[pale cedar]

They’re all sentient anyway

[restive river]

We know you can 3D print an entire brain with it’s memories thanks to Umbra so the frames would be the same

[sinful quail]

Sure but they had to basically make them braindead since they would either be uncontrollable no?

[restive river]

This is a theory but it’s possible the foundry installs a bolt to subdue their minds to allow for easier control, Umbra being the exception due to having a unique bolt

[restive river]

Yes that’s what I mean when I say their mind is subdued

[sinful quail]

would not be a bad theory since the helminth just remakes the whole body. so needing the bolt makes sense

[restive river]

Prior to the Tenno the frames did fine, then went feral, they were shelved, the tenno and transference was discovered and the rest is history

[pale cedar]

Or it just creates a calmed version of the frame

Umbra Helminth couldn’t calm because of the burning memory which we don’t even know if the bolt caused that because Bolts literally have no lore other than one of them is unique

[restive river]

That seems to be the foundry rather than the helminth, but they prob help too

“7grims asks: How come the Foundry can create live things like Spectres and Sentinels, but can't create kubrow?
While there are many similarities between sentient organic life and artificial intelligence, several distinguishing characteristics set mechanical and digital beings aside from organic ones. Organic life is composed of soft tissues and malleable sinew sustained by an inefficient plasma designed to protect the core being from external threats.

Organic components are difficult to construct and even more tedious to properly store for future use. The Foundry, while capable of replicating natural and synthetic materials such as fabric or metals, is not properly equipped for the growth of organic life. This also does not take into consideration the complications in growing 'living' subjects – a point of difficulty the Grineer have long tried to overcome.

Infested tissue is the only known exception to this parameter, as it can be easily grown and thrives in any environment.

Perhaps in a more ideal future where all life is composed of easily replicable materials, the Foundry can provide more utility. There is a lesson to be learned in the impressive reliability of artificial life.” (From Cephalon Cordylon 12)

[restive river]

Maybe but since the memories are in the frame I doubt they’d just
Stay calm forever

[pale cedar]

Can if they they have a good therapist

[sinful quail]

Hmmm i do still tink they need a bolt since infested flesh seem to have the tendency to adapt. so maybe a bolt to keep that in check is also a big part

[restive river]

We’re the therapist-
They need to be made so we can then help them lol

[sinful quail]

if only we had that XD the refractory is not a good subtitue XD

[pale cedar]

Jade decided the child wasn’t the therapist

[restive river]

Maybe but like Nemesis said we don’t actually have any lore on the bolts
My point with that is just the frames we make from blueprints aren’t made just by Helminth

[sinful quail]

true. i do wish the helminth was used more in the lore. or more fleshed out, no pun intended

[pale cedar]

Helminth is used plenty in lore

Over 100 times

[sinful quail]

the one in our ship. i know they are connected and all but what ours does and how it was made to be this obedient

[silk atlas]

It already tells you what it does when you ask it lol

[sinful quail]

in more detail and less game mechanics

if its just the keep frames healthy and functional is a bit bare for me

[pale cedar]

That’s plenty of lore

[silk atlas]

I read that as comparable to saying something like "I wish the Foundry was talked about more than just making things"

[sinful quail]

thats you personally. the infestetation is clearly connected through time since lizzie says she is part of helminth. going deeper in them is definitely a lot more interesting then teh foundry

[woven coyote]

All frames are a part of helminth

[pale cedar]

We’ve had lots of Helminth lore recently anyway

[woven coyote]

It's not just lizzie

[sinful quail]

exactly my point. its why i want to go deeper on infestation. i love the operator/drifter lore recently but some more star chart stuff would be nice imo

[pale cedar]

Saying we should get more when we have had almost 4 updates in a row with Helminth lore

[silk atlas]

And part of that is explained through the KIM with her and Flare: The Infested is just able to connect to any part of it and doesn't see time linearly, which is why she remembers the resets and how the Coda waits long enough to go into "present" time.

[sinful quail]

how exactly where all of em helminth?

[untold nacelle]

I wonder why the Helminth hasn't already consumed all of the Orbiter (and Ordis)

[strange turtle]

It’s Helminth

The tame, chill strain

[pale cedar]

Whispers had lore about a segment

Hex had you using it to get to 1999

Techrot Encore you got even more Helminth lore from Lizzie

Old Peace had Roathe creating a Helminth

So it’s not like they stopped giving you Helminth lore

[slender needle]

Perhaps he/she would be cast out by the orokin rather then the tenno. Maybe along the lines of their peace treaty and refusing to fight. Only protecting. Which may have been conflicting during the rebellion on the perita moon.

Which caused her to be fused with fallen Warframes when she was outcasted by the Orokin

So how should I edit this?

[sinful quail]

old peace had a mention of it. he just created it and personally that isn't a lot of info. hex used it indeed but was barely explained. Lizzie is the one that really put perspective on it

[pale cedar]

A mention of it being created is still lore

[sinful quail]

yes but not a lot....

[pale cedar]

You didn’t ask for a lot

You just said lore

[sinful quail]

Its the backbone for a lot of things happening in our current situation so having a good understanding is good

[sinful quail]

dude....

[woven coyote]

What do you mean with "fallen warframes"?

[slender needle]

idk man 😭

[woven coyote]

Lol

[sinful quail]

i think he means failed warframes

like teh ones from ivara's trials or Xake triad

[woven coyote]

Well it isnt a concept in warframe so i had to ask what you mean to give an opinion

[buoyant bridge]

Like dead warframes, like what happened with caliban

[woven coyote]

Caliban isnt dead tho

[pale cedar]

All Warframes created at the time were a failure

[slender needle]

well she's a guardian, so I was thinking she died protecting them and got fused/combined with them

[buoyant bridge]

He was made by erra using dead warframes and sentients

[sinful quail]

isn't that kinda debunked since caliban prime exists prior?

[buoyant bridge]

Base caliban was made for the war, prime was made to honor the peace

[woven coyote]

No dead bodies mentioned

[sinful quail]

yeah after the old war. thats after the peace no?

[woven coyote]

Point is that neither base nor prime mention "dead warframes"

You are thinking of archons

[sinful quail]

revenant counts as dead, sort of

[buoyant bridge]

Caliban was made using warframe and sentient parts, it's literally in his name, he's half human half monster

[sinful quail]

i get that. but he was made by Erra AFTER teh war. the old peace is DURING the war. its working against each other

[woven coyote]

Not dead tho

[ocean geyser]

The dead warframes and sentients is essentially the archons

[woven coyote]

That's the point i am making caliban doesnt involve dead wraframes

[ocean geyser]

They’re probably considering “wreckage of the old war” to mean warframe corpses

[ashen pulsar]

warframes can break tho

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah

[woven coyote]

If anything caliban is closer to alad's amalgam stuff

[pale cedar]

Both Caliban and Caliban Prime were made during the war

[sinful quail]

Not true, it says after in his own description

[ocean geyser]

The codex says after is what he means

[ashen pulsar]

caliban was used by erra after his creation in the war
that’s what I took that to mean

[pale cedar]

“A fearsome alternative helmet to give Caliban a look he has not worn since the Old War.”

[ocean geyser]

Sometimes things are weirdly written tbh

[sinful quail]

Then both descriptions are working against each other

[ashen pulsar]

or it just implies this

[ocean geyser]

Hm

First off
What do you guys think “consign” means?

[woven coyote]

Deliver

[sinful quail]

implications are very rough. its a point of view argument then which doesn't describe facts

[ocean geyser]

Alright
Marco what do you think consign means

[restive river]

Caliban Prime was made during the Old Peace
Caliban proper (and likely the Prime as well) were used in the war once it continued

[ashen pulsar]

they don’t really counteract each other if we think about it that way tho

[ocean geyser]

This may be where the issue lies

Because if you consider “consign” to mean make, build or manufacture

[sinful quail]

any of these

[ocean geyser]

I was asking what you personally thought it meant, and not to search it up lmao

Because you were interpreting it as “build”

That’s how it felt at least

[sinful quail]

Well my english is a second language so some meanings are very weird to me XD

[ashen pulsar]

ah wait
put away
erra got rid of it, that makes more sense

[ocean geyser]

Fair

Ooh

[sinful quail]

hmm that could be good. but then why not use the prime? they clealry had acces to it

[woven coyote]

Well problem solved

[sinful quail]

ik game reasons but just an idea

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/woody-toy-story-i-don't-want-to-play-with-you-anymore-gif-1116642795181823087

Erra with Caliban

[ocean geyser]

They probably didn’t actually

[pale cedar]

Orokin don’t like giving their primes to non-Vanguard members

[ashen pulsar]

primes were rare

[woven coyote]

Now the real question is who copied the homework
Did erra make caliban first or did the tauron academy one come fisrt

[ashen pulsar]

huh what

[sinful quail]

not rare enough since the rebels had a caliban

[ashen pulsar]

what huh what

[ashen pulsar]

stolen
with ascaris prime

[pale cedar]

Primes were reserved for the Vanguard

[ocean geyser]

Because the Anarchs were backed by an Executor

[sinful quail]

while true that still means they could replicate it since they had one

[restive river]

How else did they get ascari?

[restive river]

They didn’t though
They trapped a tenno in their frame

[woven coyote]

Wondering if erra actually managed to have an original thought or if he just copied caliban prime

[ashen pulsar]

the real question is
wtf is daklo talking abt with the gold
doesn’t infestation just make that shit

[sinful quail]

didn't it specify that it didn't have a tenno?

[pale cedar]

I gave it to them staying true to my name

[buoyant bridge]

Either could work I think, but it's funnier to think that erra just stole the idea

[restive river]

He made Caliban Prime, no?

[restive river]

It’s mixed iirc

[ocean geyser]

“What happened to its operator can happen to you”

[mental herald]

how do sentients populate?

[restive river]

More like traitor smh

[woven coyote]

Well we dont see erra on the academy so the question ends up in the air

[ocean geyser]

Mitosis

[sinful quail]

just liek machines make other machines. use parts and use a blueprint

make them eat Xenoflora and they are sentient

[restive river]

Whole sentients can make new sentients, somehow
Any sentient can make fragments, these function like a hivemind unless if the fragments eat xenoflora

[pale cedar]

Can't be a traitor if I don't pick sides

[ocean geyser]

Only the fragments though

[restive river]

The Xenoflora only effects the fragments

[mental herald]

nah cause hunhow gave birth to natah

[buoyant bridge]

I think theres more than one way, but they can break off parts of themselves that grow into another sentient

[ocean geyser]

I mean there’s the manifold

[restive river]

No that’s fragments

[ocean geyser]

Which we haven’t seen yet

[sinful quail]

thats what happens in teh orokin meeting with teh original archemedean

[mental herald]

setient mimic means they become fully human?

[ocean geyser]

Means they mimic

That’s it

[mental herald]

did balls bang lotus

[ocean geyser]

The lotus is still a Sentient

[ocean geyser]

He probably wanted to at minimum

Given he tried turning her into Margulis

[restive river]

Natah, the mimic queen was made to infiltrate the Tenno
Ballas uploaded stuff to make her more like Margulis
Now she’s the Lotus
Still, physically a Sentient mimic

[ocean geyser]

Given that she turned into an Eidolon in New War and all

[mental herald]

no way

[ocean geyser]

Wait

[sinful quail]

isn't the termm eidolon just damaged sentient?

[restive river]

That’s cause she has to regen from a hand

She died

[woven coyote]

Sorta undead basically

[restive river]

Undead sentient basically

[ocean geyser]

A bit of both?

Either undead or just on the brink of death

[restive river]

Undead

[ocean geyser]

Bit of a thin line that

[ashen pulsar]

a type of corruption that happens when they’re close to dying

[sinful quail]

does that mean they also had a bit of light liek adis had? giving them the partial bit of reviving?

[woven coyote]

Considering what hunhow said it probably involves actually dying

[ocean geyser]

Interesting

[restive river]

Lotus like
Died?
Hunhow mentions how death leaves a mark
Her entire body but a hand died

[ashen pulsar]

iirc

[mental herald]

Maybe we get a sentient protoframe to romance in tau

[ocean geyser]

How would that even work anyway

[restive river]

The whole revive thing is exclusive to Adis
We’re going back to Tau to try and find someone like him, ig

[restive river]

Caliban

[restive river]

Amalgams:

[ocean geyser]

Hence my confusion

[mental herald]

I just want more to do with sentients than having them as my enemies ( apart from natah)

[buoyant bridge]

Revenant proto?

[ocean geyser]

Getting warframed AND amalgam’ed at the same time looks like it’d suck

[sinful quail]

he is seen reviving them or healing. maybe fter they were healed he leaves a marks where they can partially revive?

[ocean geyser]

Doubtful, but we’ll have to see

[sinful quail]

twice the trauma to fix in kim

[restive river]

I could see them just making Caliban proto full on sentient and explaining how that is

Sentients can’t normally be infected iirc so

[sinful quail]

oooooh thats an interesting idea

[restive river]

How did Erra cook?

[mental herald]

I mean the devil's traid was another part of the story so maybe we get something like that with a special sentient. I'm just Air balling. I just want more sentient friendlies

[restive river]

I’d be down for more Sentient friends but I think DE should step back from Protoframes for a bit

The Triad were. Undercooked compared to the others to say the least

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[sinful quail]

very true. i like them but they shoudl stay special

[ocean geyser]

The only one that feels properly developed is Roathe

[restive river]

Lyon’s pretty developed too

[woven coyote]

Spaggetthi code did not appreciate the complexity of roathe's flags

[restive river]

Marie’s the pain point, she has depth but it isn’t that deep beyond Entrati glazing
At least in my experience

[restive river]

Nope, I worry they tried to hard to make it unique and broke things

[ocean geyser]

Yeah probably
I haven’t interacted with the triad much

[sinful quail]

the glazing was a bit rough for me. i get us needing to pull her out of it but man knowing what a pos he was didn't help

[restive river]

The Triad likely would’ve gone down better if they planned them for the echoes update instead

[woven coyote]

I hadnt seen unrelated things break that much since trials

[restive river]

She exists to say “hey he isn’t that bad” while affirming he still sucks

It’s a weird balancing act ig

[sinful quail]

him making himself a martyr just to act the hero is such a mixed bag for me. its cool for complexity reason and grey morality but man i would love to punch the mfer

[restive river]

To me the Triad didn’t tell us much of anything new about him, not really
He still sucks but not as much as say, most of the Orokin
His motivation is understandable but his actions sometimes are. Not

Why does his plan involve speeding up the plague year and infecting many random people throughout history
That kinda just ruined some lives bud :p

[sinful quail]

yeah the reason has to do with the titan vessels but its not even touched on still XD

[restive river]

Oh
No
He made the protos before the vessels were even part of the plan

That was more so a happy accident
He was getting high with his boyfriend and he suggested they utilize the grey strain
And so they did to make big frames, utilizing the DNA Albrecht got from the protos for the humanity factor

[sinful quail]

i am not quite so sure about that. the timeframe between them and 1999 is unclear

[strange turtle]

No? The Notes entry on it sums it up pretty well

[restive river]

It’s pretty clear lol

[mental herald]

Yeah well I agree, I just want more sentient content in any form. And romancing a sentient sounds kinda cool tho.

[sinful quail]

i read them pretty recently. i found a lot to be left to interpretation

[strange turtle]

He went to 1999 and made the protos, and during one of his comings back and forth before the machine was destroyed him and Loid looked at the samples and had the idea to make big men and women to fight Wally

[sinful quail]

then how did drifter use the vessel in 1999? there is a connection clearly between them and the hex

[strange turtle]

And then that ended up getting integrated into their time stuff at some point so the Chosen Operator could follow Albrecht to 1999

[restive river]

Ah my bad Loid wasn’t high when he had the idea

“As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Gray Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary… assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.”

[mental herald]

Maybe the new peace would be the drifter romancing a sentient

[strange turtle]

…none of that contradicts Drifter being able to do that?

[restive river]

Genderfluid romancable Sentient Protoframe

[sinful quail]

doing transference across time seems a bit much imo

[strange turtle]

It really isn’t

[ocean geyser]

Me when the infestation scales beyond time already

[restive river]

Get this
That’s literally what we’re doing and it’s how we’re physically time travelling

[mental herald]

I don't even want it to be a protoframe tbh. Just a sentient would do fr

[ocean geyser]

Marco how do you think the drifter time travels then

[sinful quail]

then we use the warframe as an anchor no? liek we make a warframe using past helminth

oh right XD

[restive river]

I think they’re keeping the romance to the protos

[mental herald]

I want my sentient partner mann

[ocean geyser]

Time to make a fanfic

[strange turtle]

I really hope they do. If they expand it to more kinds of characters theres going to be people who start begging for it in every update that adds characters

[restive river]

The infestation’s hivemind is present throughout all moments that it exists, so you can tell it to make an Excal that we can transference through at a certain point in time, by utilizing the Vessels, specifically the one linked to Arthur we can tell the infestation exactly where and when to do so
We use transference through the vessel, into the frame and boom Drifter’s in 1999

I believe that’s correct

[restive river]

Romancable Unum when

[sinful quail]

so then they are connected to the hex which is what i questioned about

[strange turtle]

No

You specified the reason for the protos

[restive river]

The vessels are connected to the protos through the samples Albrecht used
That’s it

[mental herald]

What more characters are there? Grineer corpus and sentient

[restive river]

We don’t know why Albrecht made the Protoframes as he did that before the Vessels were part of the plan

[sinful quail]

there has gotta be more. they are like a huge point in the wispers quests

[mental herald]

And people beg for things all the time mate

[restive river]

Here’s everything Albrecht says about them

“The Vessels

I went among the denizens of the plague year like a saviour, my hands filled with healing. To those who volunteered, I brought more than mere health. Their bodies were primed; it needed only the Helminth infusions, brought from my own time, to work the alchemy of transformation. They have become partial warframes, still in possession of their free will, yet enhanced, Void-attuned, capable.

Their humanity may not last. My deliverance may yet consume them, the human swallowed up in the sacred beast. And if my wayward disciples turn on me, what words of comfort shall I have beyond: this is the bargain we have made. Through our sacrifice, history will be saved.

As their loyal doctor, I have taken repeated samples from them. The sight of their Technocyte-riddled cells mutating gave me fresh visions. I could take this material, work with it, forge new creations. Eagerly I brought the samples back to Deimos and began to cultivate them.

It was Loid who pointed out the singular attributes of the Gray Strain. How it stimulates growth to monstrous dimensions. Many thoughts converged on me then. What if, through precise biochemical engineering, I could create the equivalents of warframes, yet built to a titanic scale? Surely such a legion could stand against the Adversary… assuming, of course, that an Operator could be found.

Not long after, the first of my Vessels took form. A giant to battle giants, merging the humanity of the man Arthur, the anatomical perfection of Ballas' warframes, and the titanic potency of the Gray Strain. My saviours.”

[strange turtle]

And?

[restive river]

If there’s a reason as to why he made them, and there likely is, we don’t know what it is yet

[mental herald]

And?

[sinful quail]

So just Big warframe that needed a second human brain to help pilot?

as an after thought when actually making the protos

[restive river]

No, the Protos aren’t helping at all

[sinful quail]

he states he needs the humanity for them

[restive river]

Yes, not that he needed their minds
He just used their DNA

[sinful quail]

or does he mean to use all 3 as seperate?

[strange turtle]

Yeah, he’s using the their human-technocyte DNA as the base

[restive river]

Both us and Wally also pilot vessels solo just fine

[strange turtle]

And then he uses the DNA to take advantage of their connection for the time stuff later on

[restive river]

I can see that being a thing DE could do tbh maybe, if your connection with a proto is strong enough their corresponding Vessel functions better
But
Who knows how far we are from playable vessels

[mental herald]

Aren't necramechs kind of vessels

[sinful quail]

vessels are just a huge elephant in the room that doesn't get a lot of explanation XD

[restive river]

No?

We don’t know the exact details of their biological components nor do they seem to be infested nor do they use the gray strain

[mental herald]

Ah my bad I got confused

[sinful quail]

i think the necramechs are full technology

[restive river]

This is their explanation

#lore-discussion message

[sinful quail]

which is very non descriptive

[restive river]

They have a spinal cord and clearly can’t be fully tech since they have to be sentient pulse immune, which they are

[sinful quail]

wasn't the pulse specifically targeted against frames? so them being fully technological doesn't interfere with that

[mental herald]

They do have a human skull and maybe human nervous system

[restive river]

It literally describes everything you’d need to know
How they came to be
What they’re for
What they’re made of

[sinful quail]

which is entirely decorational since the entrati family love doing that

[restive river]

The pulse targets tech, so no not the frames nor the necramechs
You’re thinking of the orphix field

The entire reason the frames and necramechs were used is because they’re immune to Sentient hacks

[sinful quail]

i single peace of line isn't a lot to go off..

[strange turtle]

It’s tech in general, later modified to work on warframes

I don’t think we can tell it exactly, since Loid had to tweak things

damnit hold on

[restive river]

What more do you want 😭

[strange turtle]

Back in the Old War, Orphix Sentients would hit us with pulses. Shut down anything more sophisticated than a lump hammer. Well, the Orphix are back. Only this time, someone's taught them how to override your warframes. If they spread to cover the whole System, you're all shiny hat stands. The Orokin claimed Necramechs weren't smart enough to face an enemy that could learn, and retired them early. But my boneheads shrug off Sentient pulses like the morning dew. So I reckon between your 'frames and my old dusted-off war rigs, we might just have a hope in hell. Come see me on Deimos.

[restive river]

This is also more than just a line, it’s an entire fragment about them-

[mental herald]

I want entrati to go on q podcast and yap about how he did his sht and how he doesn't regret any of it and gets high af /s

[restive river]

He does feel guilt for his actions

But he probably thinks he dies at the end of this so

[strange turtle]

Tbh I assumed the immunity was just because of them being dum

Like how the Corpus robots didn’t get messed with, unless I’m misremembering, I didn’t play much of the event

[mental herald]

I'm just joking.. but I don't have any sympathy for any orokin in general so it's good if he rots away

[restive river]

They got messed with during the new war

The Necramechs are
Real dumb

[slender needle]

what if I made a frame that was cursed to be a frame, as some sort of punishment

[mental herald]

Wait the corpus robots also got veiled

[restive river]

That’s a lot of frames already

[slender needle]

wdym