lore-discussion

[fast dew]

Cept that wasnt even a secret

Nor was it particularly weird for someone as high ranked as an Archimedian to be close to an orokin. Also, ballas is just a member of the 7, hes allowed to get away with shit

I could see the argument there with Albrecht and Loid, they seemed to be rather obvious

[strange turtle]

Had a mere Dax been known to be engaging in relations with her betters, she would have been executed on the spot. But the couple's power and influence were such that the affair would never be publicly addressed.

This doesn’t mean that it was common knowledge, just that the people that did know couldn’t do anything about it without getting into shit with the couple

[fast dew]

Oh boy I wonder what that sounds like currently

The rich getting away with crimes while the victims are constantly put at risk

Anyways

[fast dew]

It is funny, if the same rules apply for Albrecht and Loid. They went out of their way to piss of the other orokin, and Loid is still kicking

[radiant crown]

Is warframe based on a book? I just found a book called tenno's war, warframe: book three: outbreak talking about stuff from warframe was released in 1901

Nvm i think im tweaking cuz i cant find anything else about the book

[fast dew]

Mm, sounds like fanfic lmao

[pale cedar]

We haven’t even had any years actually mentioned in Warframe other than 1999

[radiant crown]

Its an out of warframe thing

I went on google and searched warframe

Accidentally hit the book tab

[pale cedar]

Yeah, these are the closest we have to any books that are Warframe related https://www.warframe.com/media#comicsSection

[fast dew]

But that could also be smthn to do with dark sector maybe?

[silk atlas]

1901 would be way too early for that

[fast dew]

Mm, true. Im not too knowledgeable on dark sector tbf, I just threw it out there

[humble sierra]

I think it's just Starfinder mechanics, because the premise itself is just Protoframes timetravelling to the present-day Origin System and doing the Orias Rescue mission on Europa

[lean garden]

is... that from the search engine's AI summary or something?

[twin wigeon]

||everyone knows that the idea of warframe came into steve's mind thru a dream and pablo descended from the heavens to make it work|| /j

[radiant crown]

But im hella confused cuz theres barely any info

[strange turtle]

I tried looking for it myself and googles book tab doesn’t seem to use the ai

[humble sierra]

Bro conceptually embodied it

[humble sierra]

They're fanfics

[radiant crown]

Bomboclaat

[lean garden]

wack

how the hell did it get 1901

[radiant crown]

Something something entrati something something (i dont know)

[fast dew]

I WAS RIGHT

I know a fanfic name when I see one

[tall echo]

Of course

[fast dew]

I need to write some more

Mm. Slice of life fluff with the entrati family focusing Euleria's and Petros' premarital shenanigans.............

[acoustic shoal]

thats thinkin smalltime. I've got big things planned for that adventure.

including but not limited to an army of MOAs and Ospreys and such

Skittermanders with a Narmer veils

and the Plasma Doshko would fit right in with the rest of Warframe's arsenal

[fast dew]

I mean if you can home-brew them

Go ahead and home-brew

[acoustic shoal]

so much so that i was sorely disappointed to find out there wasnt a cross promotional weapon skin or something

[restive river]

I vaguely remember looking that up
Uh
Different warframe lol

Oh nvm y’all figured it out

I do believe Warframe as a word was used before forever ago, at least according to google

[heavy idol]

Is there a reason why the operator is eternally a child?

[fast dew]

Not eternally, but has been for a while. Operator is a child bcs they were in cryo since they were a child

[humble sierra]

There is a code in the physical copy/email for a glyph I think

though that might've been limited time

[idle fog]

no context

[lean garden]

looks like grineer text?

[jaunty oasis]

it is

[lean garden]

ah I know what it is now

[restive river]

Oh

I don’t even need to look it up ):

[fast dew]

What. What is it?

Educate me ducky

[restive river]

If I’m correct then I’m disappointed

[restive river]

Think numbers
What two numbers are popular for no reason right no

[fast dew]

Ah.

[ocean geyser]

Ain’t no way

Anyway to move on from that I offer a silly idea
How drastically do things change if the Grineer and Corpus swapped territories?

[pale cedar]

They technically did

Grineer took Mars after relations broke down due to Alad

[drowsy saddle]

Alot of dead grineer and very rich corpus. They'd have a field day extracting resources out of earth, while i don't think the grineer have the logistical and manufacturing capabilities to maintain gas cities on Jupiter

[long quiver]

Isn't saturn a gas giant too? Grineer controls saturn as well right

[strange turtle]

Saturn’s nodes are all on/at Saturn’s moons/stuff in the ring

Except for like two but I can’t find anything on them aside from the names actual meaning

[drowsy saddle]

Saturn is all mining stations or galeons

The grineer occupy saturn specifically to interdict shipping lanes

Its why the general (what'shisface) is on saturn, he gets to skim relics and orokin tech from whatever the grineer salvage or steal

[ocean geyser]

They do have stations inside the gas though

We just
Never go there
Beyond Saturn Six though

[drowsy saddle]

I doubt a supermax prison is as big as the corpus gas giants

I don't doubt that the grineer could build permanent stations in the gas, but it wouldn't be worthwhile for them to build something on the level of the gas cities

The grineer are an army first and fist most

Their largest base is absolutely the queen's mobile asteroid base, and lets be honest, its charitably on par with a single gas city

Or maybe one of the pluto cities

[long quiver]

Also, is the loid part of necraloid a cephalon? I know otak is but wasn't sure about loid. Idk if it's explained if loid was ever cloned like kalymos was

[waxen mesa]

Necraloids were numerous before they were all destroyed. The necraloid we talk to is the last one

A necraloid is not a cephalon

[opaque zenith]

That's the Necramechs, The necraloid seems to be unique, and more complicated

[waxen mesa]

Otak is specifically stated to be in the last necraloid

Which means there was more then one

[opaque zenith]

Atm I found MarieRank1Convo3 in Kimulacrum saying there's only one, still looking though

[waxen mesa]

Its from heart of deimos pretty sure

[opaque zenith]

D: "Entrati made that one. But the concept of what they are - Cephalons - was invented by the Orokin."
M: "Excusez-moi, do you mean to imply that le Cardinal made a replicant flying skull servant in the likeness of his own companion, and named them thusly ?"
[...]
D: "Maybe he only ever intended to make the one."

Seems like Necraloid is just a 'unique cephalon' that got a unique name

[...]
"Not all Cephalons were made as a punishment. But things went... poorly here on Deimos, and he was badly damaged."
[...]
"So, he was transferred to the main necraloid - the only Necraloid that remains - and is... well? It's hard to explain."

K, so it seems the necraloid Works as a "hivemind" where there's a main one and other proxies but still only one "motherboard" that controls all pieces

[waxen mesa]

I'd be a hypocrit to not take KIM as evidence but like

can you really have a cephalon without glassing? Loid clearly wasn't glassed

i always took it that the necraloid was a replacement for Loid to serve as a butler for the family

perhaps when Loid shifted his focus to helping Entrati

[pale cedar]

You can if you replicate the skull

[waxen mesa]

I guess if Loid was cloned, then the clone was glassed 🤔

[pale cedar]

He says it himself that it was a replicated skull

[waxen mesa]

IIRC the skull is so transference works, no?

[opaque zenith]

Even Drifter seems confused about necraloid's case

"Still not sure how Entrati managed that. But if there's one thing that bastard is good at, it's cheating the system" -AmirRank2Convo2

[waxen mesa]

DE making up excuses

[pale cedar]

If Transference is only biological sure

[waxen mesa]

Transference is only biological

Operator couldn't transfer into a chair, but they could if you ziptie a skull to it

[pale cedar]

We don’t really know if it is tbh

[waxen mesa]

pretty sure we do 🤔

that's why the necramechs have skulls.

[opaque zenith]

Well there's the ravenous golden maw...

[waxen mesa]

Which is based off the Drifter's memories of Orokin society

and the Orokin loved their biological machines

[pale cedar]

We don’t know if the skull is decorative or real though

[opaque zenith]

Talking about the War Within one, but yeah all transferenceable things have some conciouness factor somewhere

[waxen mesa]

Well that's even more explainable

because that's just straight up Orokin tech

In theory the Operator could probably transfer into the Unum 🤔

[pale cedar]

There’s the bolts

[waxen mesa]

I think transference bolts are for the chair to work

an Orokin relies on transference bolts. A tenno can transfer into anything biological

[opaque zenith]

Given they remember their innate powers. Otherwise they need the chair, which probably needs the bolts.
So there's an argument to the bolts making it easier and not requiring the kids to be "awake"

[waxen mesa]

well there we can start to use the "what is required" arguements

Before you awake you can only control a warframe and a necramech but only when your transference signal is rerouted

Golden maw and protoframes require you to be awake first. If you ignore the achronisitic acquisition of a protoframe skin

[opaque zenith]

Right, just adding the orowyrms to the list too

[waxen mesa]

can you control an orowyrm before awakening?

because im pretty sure you can't

[opaque zenith]

The 'after awakening' list

[waxen mesa]

ah

[fierce sparrow]

There was a laughing man on the grave, and then he vanished. Any lore behind him?

[waxen mesa]

that's in Duviri?

Wally has access to Duviri

[normal mountain]

The Vagabond of Duviri
he's missing a finger

[fierce sparrow]

He was fashioned in a some what typical duviri npc manner.

[waxen mesa]

Wally does typically take on the apperance of other peopel

[fierce sparrow]

Usually you no?

[waxen mesa]

not really

He taunts Entrati by taking the form of Loid

[fierce sparrow]

Ah I remember the quest now

[waxen mesa]

plus Wally's invasion of Duviri happens after new war

in which he's become more powerful

granted that's "in the origin system" but like...still

[fierce sparrow]

I was told there are a few toombs where he appeared. Are there any different texts there? Or is this all i have to go off of

[waxen mesa]

so at this point what is Wally's motivation for...everything?

Revenge for losing a finger? Is he just like...curious to a deadly degree?

[fierce sparrow]

To be the world's greatest rage baiter

Idk lol

[fierce sparrow]

I forget how it was severd anyhow

[waxen mesa]

IDK lohk sounds like a casual way to refer to a fellow tenno

[lean garden]

dude took a scan of a terrified man, dingus is filled with the negative

dingus is lashing out and hurting everyone

[waxen mesa]

Entrati enters the void -> Entrati flees the void -> void window is shut down as Wally is reaching through

[lean garden]

curiousity is not it

[fierce sparrow]

Oof

[waxen mesa]

Drifter can describe Wally as "a child banging toys together"

[fierce sparrow]

Thought that was thrax

Supposedly a tenno child that got stuck in duvir and kinda got spoiled rotten, cuz let's be honest. If you don't discipline children they turn into lil a holes

[lean garden]

Thrax? Thrax is no tenno

[fierce sparrow]

Dyslexia maxing today

Mb

[fierce sparrow]

Im getting all my stuff mixed up then. Idk what's going on lol

[pale cedar]

Teshin suggested it but Teshin suggests a lot of things that are wrong he somehow acts as an expert on the the Void despite living in a cave

[strange turtle]

Thrax being a Tenno was a theory from Teshin, he’s actually just the Drifter’s kid-Dax doll CE’d into Dominus Thrax, one of the characters from the Duviri book

[normal mountain]

A cave in Duviri, which is in the Void
He has some expertise from personal experience imo

[woven coyote]

Some people live on earth and yet cant figure out it isnt flat

[normal mountain]

...
you mean it really is round?

/s

[opaque zenith]

Yeah duh, donuts are round

[pale cedar]

Just cuz you’re trapped in the Void it doesn’t make you an expert on it

[normal mountain]

No, but it gives you an opportunity to do some research

[pale cedar]

Also consider I said he’s in a cave

All he should know is the place loops and that he’s aging with time

Him suddenly acting like an expert came out of nowhere

Because he’s in the cave all the time he wouldn’t be getting all the lessons the Scholar gave

[sudden notch]

Is this list as lore accurate as possible?
This is a list of what I think would be the factions of the Warframes in the kinnikuman universe, super powered individuals there are split into these three main factions

[lean garden]

youre going to have to explain what the categories are

[sudden notch]

Justice: justice chojin are the typical superheroes, they abide by a moral code and follow rules.

Devils: devil chojin abide only by the chain of command and their own whims, they don't follow the rules and will cheat to achieve victory, their style is underhanded and very brutal.

Perfect: perfect chojin see themselves as the pinnacle of all, the closest thing to the gods and if one of them fails they would willingly take their own life to preserve the honor of the perfect chojins

[dark compass]

You're not getting a proper response from anyone who isn't a fan as well that's for sure

[lean garden]

I'd move harrow down to justice

And loki up to devil

[silk atlas]

Mirage in Justice but Koumei in Devil
(I also don't know anything about this system eitehr)

With the small description you gave of them I can't really see any of the Warframes being a "Perfect" in this regard.

[fierce sparrow]

Stynax devil???

[sudden notch]

It's a glorified morality system

[sudden notch]

Ye cuz he strikes me as someone who'd do anything for Victory

[sudden notch]

Inaros ruled as a God king so he definitely gives the vibes

Lavos is the Warframe that perfected it's own formula and made itself a prime

Dante is a smarty pants

And Wukong, based on the source material is very prideful

[lean garden]

stynax should be justice

given his actions in the animation he starred in

[sudden notch]

He does summon comrades, and the justice chojin are all about comradary I think you're right

[sudden notch]

Ye and the animation too

Might move Gauss and Grendel to devil chojin because of how they were during the prime cenimatic

Note: devil chojin doesn't necessarily mean evil

[dark compass]

smh people unironically dont remember that half his kit is support

😭

he even has a UNIQUE buff that draws aggro, no other warframe has it

[sudden notch]

Tbh I forgot stynaxx existed for the most part

[buoyant bridge]

I'd probably move temple to devil, and maybe Nokko, but I'm not sure (also doesn't know what kinnikuman is )

[sudden notch]

Nokko on devil is actually an amazing play

[dark compass]

Yeah Nokko is 100% devil

So is Temple, thanks to extremely rebellious nature

[sudden notch]

Would yareli be a devil too because she wants to be with her brother?

Are them being siblings canon btw?

[dark compass]

Also

To add my own piece of opinion

[buoyant bridge]

Not siblings in canon, just sibling energy

[dark compass]

Sevagoth belongs to Justice. He was captain of a rescue ship and that's how they ended up in the void

[sudden notch]

Ooh I see I see

[dark compass]

Sev is not even some sort of warmonger or a general

A captain of a rescue ship, that's justice 100%

[dark compass]

They were initially designed with this idea in mind, but with time and development the designs drifted apart and it's nothing but "vibes" now

Yareli animation is more of an "nod" to that

[sudden notch]

They still can work as siblings because mushrooms and jellyfish share a lot in common

[dark compass]

Also I feel like Equinox and Baruuk can go to Perfect

Equinox seems like the type, whis whole power of just exploding everything around her and mending allies. It's very "god-like"

And Baruuk is an op monk who's only limited by restraint

[sudden notch]

Updated it

[buoyant bridge]

Nice

[silk atlas]

.

[sudden notch]

Oh yeah mirage and koumei

[sudden notch]

Put em there

[twin wigeon]

Koumei :3

[sudden notch]

I feel like some would be factionless

Just doing their own thing

[dark compass]

Wouldn't that constitute the devil?

It's a rather broad category, when it comes down to putting inaction as a fitting trait

[rancid horizon]

here's a question my friends had, if grendel ever got a protoframe, do you think they could be or become(like Lyon & Rell) Cannibalistic?

lyon sorry

[ocean geyser]

What do Lyon and Rell have to do with cannibalism….

I don’t think you’re using the right word here

Are you talking about how Lyon became linked to Rell and Harrow?

[humble sierra]

Lyon's connection to Rell and Harrow is mostly because Harrow and Rell were heavily connected to the Void. Though there are implications that the Helminth Strains can connect the Warframes and Protoframes beyond time, it doesn't seem that happens to all of them (but maybe when they start becoming more Warframe than Protoframe).

[rancid horizon]

Yeah, i was moreso useing them as an example for "becoming" I'm not the best at talking ;-;

[ocean geyser]

Fair

Grendel would probably get really hungry tho

[rancid horizon]

Also side tracked question, but what "was" the helminth room in the orbiter? No, I'm not asking about the helminth, I mean the room itself. I took a long look in it, and did nobody notice the fish under the glass floor? Genuinely what was the room for?

[humble sierra]

It's an infirmary, the Helminth was always there to maintain your Warframes, but presumably it was contained

[fast dew]

Pretty much what Arkadia said, its always been there. It wants to grow out, thats just infestation

And im pretty sure the fish are ones you can find elsewhere?

[topaz pawn]

pretty sure there's a VERY large mortus lungfish down there

and I think it's just a reference to Helminths (the actual real class of parasite) being very common in water

[stable iris]

I'm sure it's been brought up plenty, but will we ever get more Ordis lore?! 😭 I love Ordin and need to know more/have story about him!

[tall echo]

Maybe

[fast dew]

I mean, we have ordan and all that jazz, but thats all we really need for him. Maybe we could see how brutal his glassing was though

[tall echo]

I kinda want a styanax leverian-style animation of his story

[fast dew]

I want to see how brutal the glassing process can be

Because I feel as if Nihil would absolutely despise Ordan

[tall echo]

Probably not very, actually

[fast dew]

Ehh

Its described as both painful and non painful

[tall echo]

We've seen "criminals" glassed by nihil, they just kinda. Turn to glass

Painful doesn't = brutal

[fast dew]

Thats a cephalite, not a cephalon 😭 and vitrification is not a fun process

Vitrification is a real thing !

[tall echo]

Doubt it's a big difference

[fast dew]

I mean, id assume the ripping of the mind from the body isnt a super fun experience

[stable iris]

I'd like something like that for his history. and I'd LOVE to play a story or something with him as a primary character/member/whatever

[fast dew]

There's a big difference what 😭

A cephalite still has. A body for one

And again, they could make it painful

[tall echo]

Cephalons do too, they're just not in it

[fast dew]

If nihil really wanted to make it bad, he would

[fast dew]

Eehh. Only one ive seen is Drusus, and he might just be a really weird case bcs it seems parvos has it

Its explicitly the non-merciful route, and while that could be from the orokin's whole. Memory thing, there is absolute reason to think that process could be super bad, especially in execution style, over Nihil running around bonking people with his sword

[twin wigeon]

wait

glassing can be painless?

[fast dew]

Mhm

We think thats how necraloid exists with Loid still existing

[twin wigeon]

damn i guess i've only considered how nihil glassed

[fast dew]

Just copying minds, over actually yoinking them

Or its whatever the hell Mother means by "necralized"

She expects Loid to be dead, from memory

[twin wigeon]

well

[fast dew]

It does seem like he should be

[twin wigeon]

it might be related to ayatans bc they record memories don't they?

[fast dew]

Mm, I dont think it would

[twin wigeon]

unless its like camera recording

and not like siphoning memories to be relived

[fast dew]

Ayatans? Yeah it can be used like that

The time we see a sculpture used as a camera was like

In the quest the duviri paradox

[twin wigeon]

the zariman birthday

yeah that

[fast dew]

Mhm

[twin wigeon]

why do i remember that?!

[fast dew]

I think, personally, it was common place for something called "necralising" to happen to entrati servants, maybe thats what the pods inside the necramechs are? Necralized servants

[twin wigeon]

and then ig we override preprogrammed precepts on the necramechs by inhabiting the transference bolts on them?

because all functioning necramechs are capable of movement and sentry mode

but then thats thing there has to be a special kind of necralizing that allows both loids to keep their memories because the necramech ones don't seem to have memories and are empty shells or robots

[stray herald]

I would think she meant he would have just turned into an infested zombie

[fast dew]

Well, she thought he was dead from the necralization, not from the infestation

[stray herald]

what is necralisation?

[fast dew]

We don't know

[mental herald]

Do Necramechs have a dead dax soldier within

[midnight ice]

probably

i dont think its ever mentioned?

[dark compass]

Everything but outright stated to be their dead servants

[blissful merlin]

It’d be cool but at the same time sad as hell

But that’s most of warframes stories so ya know…it’d fit well lmao. It’d be super interesting to learn more about but also super dark. But would love to learn more either way.

[lean garden]

I figured necralization was being turned into the necraloids

the difference from being turned into a cephalon is that there would be many necraloids

[strange turtle]

The way KIM words things, all the protos have a connection to the strains, Lyons connection is just special for some unknown reason

[dark compass]

I mean, look at them

You need a body for transference, they have a skull

They're called Necramechs

They are controlled by a suspiciously human shaped pod

And the Entrati crypt concept art has these pods in vast amounts

[midnight ice]

necrasoylent are people

[dark compass]

Petros recreated possessed animatronics from the hit videogame series five nights at freddy's

[blissful merlin]

Again, would be cool as hell but also sad af lmao

[mental herald]

De should let us use them in missions already or atleast take out the annoying cooldown in lua survival. There are many frames and weapons which out dps the mechs. I just wanna roam around like optimus prime

[fast dew]

I mean, there was only one made, just. Drifter thinks there could be multiple ones if Albrecht wanted that, so the only case of "necralization" would be necraloid, which i feel doesnt line up with how mother says it. Its a known thing to her, not a one off thing Albrecht did

[fast dew]

... is this the time to mention Albrecht's possible dead kids

[midnight ice]

the necramechs get a little quirky at night...

[dark compass]

They literally do become alive and start shooting shit all over Deimos

[fast dew]

We all know the orokin hated ai, and i am like. 89% sure the entrati also didn't particularly like it

Just. Not "walls of meat" dislike

[lean garden]

hm, maybe its just the skull thing thats necralizing

[dark compass]

Jokes aside I feel like the inspiration from WH40k servitors is pretty clear cut

[mental herald]

Why does natah talk about her aura farmer father in the wisp assassination mission?

[dire mountain]

Our history is smoke

[fast dew]

We can do that now and it aint called that? But that is just. A maybe. And. Idk it feels like that entire line she has was incredibly loaded

[dire mountain]

Blurred by dreams, guided by ghosts

[desert oak]

I mean, the first Necramech was called Tombjockey. 'Jockey' being one who rides a tomb in this case. That sounds like a walking coffin metaphor to me.

[mental herald]

Where do you read that

[fast dew]

Oh tombjockey, they could never make me hate you

[mental herald]

My father was a farmer

[lean garden]

I dont follow

[fast dew]

Im thinking with my writing hold on

[mental herald]

Fr tho why does she talk there? Is there lore reason

[lean garden]

Because its at the point where she was evil space mom

[lean garden]

eeeeh, I wouldnt say it was the first necramech

tombjocky was an experimental one

[midnight ice]

it was one of the necramechs that stumbled upon the ropalolyst and promptly ate shit

[desert oak]

It's from Operation Orphix Venom, an old operation no longer running for logistical reasons that really should be brought back as an evergreen quest at some point.

[desert oak]

Earliest named and known Necramech.

[fast dew]

"[Dont tell my mum]" is mucking hilarious

Little fella !!

[desert oak]

Right, she is his mother, I forgot that constantly and that's so funny. Every Grandmother interaction is made so much better when you remember that she didn't even marry into this family. Her son did and he dragged her along for the ride.

[fast dew]

Her son married in with the "i can fix her" attitude towards Euleria too 😭

"I can fix her"

several stabs later
"Man maybe I shouldn't have tried to fix her"

He is a precautionary tale, the "i can fix her" attitude is never a good one to have

[desert oak]

"I can fix her."
"I can make him worse."
Surprise secret third option: "We can make each other worse."

[fast dew]

That aspect probably does run in the family somewhat. Smthn smthn Albrecht and Loid making each other worse but in a normal way

Loid being an enabler or whatever

I feel like folk arent ready for that conversation though

[desert oak]

The only well-adjusted members of that family are Kalymos and Cousin Dante.

I like to think of Dante as the Entrati Family's Cousin Itt.

[fast dew]

And the probably-dead-but-what-if-its-not golden maw in Albrecht's netracells

[desert oak]

Good point.

That's three for three on "Probably dead" for well-adjusted members of the Entrati Family, huh?

[fast dew]

And Qorvex as uncle fester?

[desert oak]

Qorvex is Uncle Fester, you're so right.

Him or Lavos.

[fast dew]

Theres also the possible dead children Rebecca told me might exist??? Oh and maybe the ex wife Albrecht didnt like

Tennovip was certainly an experience.

[fast dew]

Lavos is fester, qorvex is lurch

It makes sense i swear

[desert oak]

No, no, you're on the money there.

[desert oak]

An ex-wife other than the Roathe-revealed Gerivaine?

[fast dew]

Nah. Just Gerivaine. He. Did not seem to like her much

[desert oak]

Oh, okay, I thought Rebb was casually dropping even more earth-shattering lore.

[strange plinth]

no just the "flock"

[fast dew]

mentions her once
doesnt even call her his wife
doesnt even help his daughter light candles after she died [which is WILD]

And in comparison to Loid its. Very obvious

[desert oak]

Dead kids fully checks out to me. I wonder what that means in Orokin society, one that values genetic purity. Was Albrecht trying to create a perfect child and only managed to succeed with Euleria?

[fast dew]

The flock ig 💔

[desert oak]

Crack theory: Loid was Gerivaine and Albrecht's lover pre-Warframe Dagath-style.

[fast dew]

I wouldnt think so, they were old enough to help in the labs, according to Roathe. Its just probably a not so fun thing for him to want to mention. Though, I could see the orokin pressuring him into having kids. Much like how they pressured him into having a wife

[fast dew]

Id genuinely rather die

[desert oak]

Euleria clearly has to be the youngest in this case, right?

[fast dew]

Yup

He does scream girl dad

[desert oak]

"Albrecht Entrati's wife, Usurper. The mother of his children.", to "Even when gerivaine died he was left to raise his little welp of a daughter on his own."

[strange plinth]

'he's still doing his experiments, throw another family member at him'

[desert oak]

That's an interesting gap of language there, plural to singular.

What happened to those other children?

[fast dew]

Thats why I thought it was a typo, initially

Typo turned game of telephone

Because drifter also mentions Albrecht having multiple children

It was "kids" in drifter's one, so i figured the writer went off that instead of actually checking

Which is why I asked Rebecca if that was intentional

And she. Made it worse

SHE ALSO WROTE IT DOWN

[desert oak]

Roathe says "Children" multiple times too. There's something intentional going on there and it's messed up.

[fast dew]

Mm

I do not like this sam I am.

[desert oak]

Is it an intentional parallel between our two morally weird Big Goods? Entrati has only one Daughter left and he abandoned her, while Lotus has all of her children and came back to them because one refused to abandon her.

If so, that's a cool parallel.

[fast dew]

I also like to think Albrecht had such a severe reaction to the cavia because of the possible dead kids

[desert oak]

Oh.

[fast dew]

Like theres guilt, and theres being unable to look at something

[desert oak]

Oh.

You've just given me an idea.

[fast dew]

. Wally doing. That to the cavia to mock Albrecht? Because the children wouldve died by the time the void incident happened?

[desert oak]

Every other time we've heard the Void speak, it's a replicated voice or it's Wally.

So what if that's where Wally got the Cavia's voices from?

[fast dew]

HEHEHEH

Absolutely

"Haha listen to your dead kids yap" and Albrecht goes off to duviri as an attempt to. Well. Off himself [again]

[desert oak]

I've had another thought bouncing around.

Where did Albrecht get Qorvex?

[fast dew]

OH.

[midnight ice]

home depot

[fast dew]

OH NO.

From the bunnings in the void smh

I should. Photobash that

[desert oak]

The Qorvex with very oddly gorilla-like animations, I want noted.

[fast dew]

Void, bunnings, Albrecht in isle 13 looking at concrete with a sausage sammich

[desert oak]

I think Albrecht didn't have a human to make into a Warframe. I think he might have had a lab monkey, though.

[fast dew]

HEHEH

Yoinked one from 1999, the gorillas there

[desert oak]

The gorillas which I swear reuse some Qorvex animations.

[midnight ice]

means the Legacytes are Qorvex's cousins

[glass sluice]

now im picturing them doing those adverts all over the void, thanks

[midnight ice]

softshell qorvex

harbor freight incarnon

[desert oak]

Where else would the Legacytes have learned Helminth strain abilities from if not one of their own?

[fast dew]

Imagine it though, hed love it there. Very reminiscent of his labs

[midnight ice]

1. infinite 2) sprawling 3) full of construction material and enemies

[fast dew]

Enemies being old homophobic men getting on his ass for wearing eyeliner

Or eshays

[desert oak]

Huh.

[fast dew]

God could you imagine? Albrecht might deadass shoot an eshay dead and i think i wouldn't mind that

Aussie shit dw

[glass sluice]

loid would love to run one of those cafes inside one

[desert oak]

Oraxia. Where did she come from? And why does that make it two very animalistic Warframes associated with Albrecht?

[fast dew]

Eshay, wannabe "gansters" who think theyre tough shit, for the unaware

[glass sluice]

alby'e a furry, we just don't like to talk about it.

[fast dew]

Animals are associated with him in general, actually

[fast dew]

Loid would make the suit for him. "I love him, he's a bit weird but I love him"

[glass sluice]

i honestly think that sounds adorable

i can picture him as a dragon-type

[desert oak]

We have animal-esque Warframes. But Qorvex moves like a gorilla and Oraxia just is a spider. Is that Albrecht's secret? is that why he's so good at making fairly stable Protoframe strains? He's been doing animal testing that Ballas was too much of a prick to try?

[glass sluice]

wait sorry, i forgot he's going to be Oberon.

[fast dew]

No clearly hes lavos

[fast dew]

Albrecht did manage to make the vessels without using a human as a base, and they also dont even go insane

This is important i feel

[desert oak]

Did... Did Albrecht learn from Lavos and Dante?

[fast dew]

-# a mate of mine

[glass sluice]

remember; the word origins for his name.
I'm still calling Oberon.

its too perfect to be wild essentially baseless conjecture!

[fast dew]

He absolutely did. Albrecht isnt a stupid man, despite how some folk want to see him. He learns. And seemingly super fast. Or he is just autistic

[desert oak]

I don't think it's a coincidence lore-wise that both the Warframe that Primed himself and the Scholar ended up on Deimos in such close proximity to Entrati.

[fast dew]

I mean, we could pull out Olo as a huge coincidence and how it being super unrelated

[glass sluice]

Olo?

[fast dew]

Olo being a "impossible" colour or whatever, and it being nearly 1:1 to the colour of the void

Like

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olo_(color)

[midnight ice]

void teal is coincidentally the color you get when you activate ONLY the blue cones in your eyes via shootinf a laser at it

BWOAH

[desert oak]

Jesus Christ, my colourblind eyes.

[midnight ice]

forgot i had my amoled screen at full brightness and got that blasted on me

[glass sluice]

you know, add a little tinge of purple in there and you have yourself Octarine.

[fast dew]

Like its. Its so wildly similar but super unrelated

HA GET FLASHBANGED

This is why we dont use our devices in dark areas

[desert oak]

Dante clearly helped Albrecht with the Grimoire. I don't see any reasonable explanation otherwise for that book and its powers. And the Alchemy crucibles? Those have Lavos written all over them.

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a learner, he learns and its kinda scary

[desert oak]

Which means that Lavos pissed off both the Orokin and Wally. Shout-out Lavos.

[midnight ice]

[lavos voice] yes we need to make giant spinning orbs full of corrosive chemicals. for aura

[desert oak]

Defied the Orokin and Primed himself, made Alchemy which Wally despises. What a top tier hater Lavos is.

[fast dew]

He only had a short amount of time to learn all this shit, comparing that to the studies of the void which took. A long ass time

[midnight ice]

wally's alchemyphobia is hilarious btw

their "stop that. thats unnatural" is an evergreen reaction img

[fast dew]

Homophobia.......

[midnight ice]

its adam and eve not heat and toxin!

[desert oak]

I mean, hilarious meme aside, it checks out that the living personification of entropy would hate spontaneous creation.

Like, Lavos and Albrecht did something that hasn't been done since the Big Bang. Spontaneous creation should be impossible. But those two figured it out. Of course Wally's pissed.

Shout-out to Elsie Lovelock for her Wally line delivery. Go see Iron Lung, she uses the same voice filter for something in that movie and it was jarring.

[fast dew]

I still think we're gonna get loid as a proto tbh

[desert oak]

Void Angel Frame with Loid Protoframe for maximum tragedy.

[fast dew]

Loid is so clearly visually reminiscent of Limbo

[desert oak]

He's made a Protoframe by Conceptually Embodying himself into one.

[glass sluice]

Titania.

[desert oak]

No, honestly, if any existing character would end up a Void Angel frame, it'll be a certain bouncing baby.

[midnight ice]

they are also both nerds

[desert oak]

And then his dad will refuse to fight two Warframes.

[desert oak]

Brief aside: I want Loid's outfit so bad. The Tauron one scrathes most of the itch, but I want some more formal wear.

[glass sluice]

you know, if they do make a void angel frame, theres a very obvious connection for us as a character.
assuming the kim conversation is considered 100% canon.

[fast dew]

I want Loid's glasses

Im miffed that we got Itzam's. We should've gotten Loid's 💔

[desert oak]

Oh, man, that would be devastating to get that plot thread addressed like that.

[midnight ice]

||Orion/Sirius is bouncy??||

|| can dribble the little fool?||

[desert oak]

I think they'd use Kira for a Void Angel. Maybe?

[glass sluice]

I genuinely dont want them to, but I do think maybe yeah, thats the way it'd go.

[desert oak]

Honestly, whatever gets us another Zariman frame instead of Venus Frame #10.

[glass sluice]

imagine having THAT as an ongoing kim when they're made proto

[midnight ice]

i think i missed this kim, which thread for who?

[strange plinth]

Kira was the Void Angel we fought during Angels, though
dunno if we could get her back from all of that

[fast dew]

Mm, where is the relay they showed follie will be at?

[desert oak]

Gotdam VENUS again.

What number is that, genuinely?

[fast dew]

Mm, hildryn, yareli, nokko, garudra, Baruuk..? And now Follie

[strange plinth]

rhino as well

[desert oak]

Rhino, Garuda, Yareli, Hildryn, Baruuk, Nokko, Follie.

That's seven.

More than 10% of all Warframes come from Venus.

[glass sluice]

in a choice, Drifter admits that their ||parents are probably void angels.||

[midnight ice]

AH that one, thanks!

[fast dew]

Good lord

Over 10%??

[strange plinth]

oh that was, kinda already implied by angels stuff

[glass sluice]

it is implied, but the admitting it was a really good moment and made me stick through some of the rougher kim stuff

[strange plinth]

apparently DE likes venus. a lot

[desert oak]

Drifter implies in that conversation that ||they killed their Void Angel parents, and one dialogue tree can sort of imply that they had a sibling up until the adults on the Zariman started going crazy.||

[midnight ice]

garuda, yareli, hildryn, nokko has connections to fortuna, no?
follie is vesper relay
baruuk is little duck, which is a fortuna connection
rhino is Fossa

i guess Fortuna just really likes collecting parts to bribe tennos

[desert oak]

I think it's because it's the most famous syndicate.

[midnight ice]

|| OHH THE QUINCY CONVO LINE||

[strange plinth]

nokko's under fortuna
baruuk is obtained from Little Duck

[glass sluice]

its also the most popular song, which helps DE make that call

[desert oak]

We All Lift Together is one of the single most wide-reaching piece of Warframe marketing. It really does make sense to keep going back to Fortuna.

[glass sluice]

i cant blame them.
although just once i want a reason to see Iron Wake again that doesnt involve me saluting a certain shrine and buying 2 purple mods a week.

[desert oak]

We're getting more Palladino stuff with Shadowgrapher.

[glass sluice]

ooh nice

[desert oak]

More shop items, hopefully it'll be some nice stuff to slot into my weekly to do list.

[glass sluice]

oh just buying stuff

[desert oak]

Please sell Ultimatums, Palladino...

Zariman has one Warframe.

1.5 if you count Voruna's pity shop being there.

If ya nasty, we can count Kullervo and Oraxia as Zariman-adjacent because Duviri is Zariman-adjacent.

[fast dew]

I want... I want to see loid up with the family.... why is roathe there and why is the family just. Fine with him being there?

[midnight ice]

and it still loses out to the fortunaframes

[fast dew]

Oh yeah the dude responsible for the start of the second half of the war, love him, he can just sit there

[desert oak]

Second-most Frames in one locale is... Deimos or Earth?

Deimos has Nekros, Lavos, Qorvex, Dante... There's one more I think?

[strange plinth]

xaku

[desert oak]

That's the one.

The one I was just playing. The one I am actively looking at out of the corner of my eye.

[midnight ice]

technically octavia if you just count her neuros...

[strange plinth]

technically you can add another to venus through caliban
though he's also available on earth

[fast dew]

Mm, duviri has. What, 2 frames now?

[desert oak]

Caliban requires Venus and Earth crafting materials, I don't want to count weird partials like that otherwise we have to consider that Venus also has Ash and Styanax and also has Nyx Prime and Valkyr Prime as native Primes.

[midnight ice]

oraxia and kullervo, yes

[fast dew]

For some reason I thought 3

[humble sierra]

and everyone in the circuit

[midnight ice]

50+ frames, Circuit wins

[humble sierra]

No Frame tied into Duviri at Launch, I think

[fast dew]

Maybe im. Putting lavos there because you can do alchemy as a undercroft activity

[strange plinth]

xaku also uses materials from each open world iirc
though their parts are only on deimos, so they can still count for there

[midnight ice]

we should drive the balor fomorian to venus and blow up the planet so they stop tying frames to venus

[desert oak]

Duviri has a rocky launch. There were COVID-related delays.

[humble sierra]

Which wasn't a thing until after Jade Shadows I think

[fast dew]

Yeah makes sense

[desert oak]

Can we get more game modes on Zariman?

[fast dew]

I am super eepy so I might not make sense

[humble sierra]

It was super peak going into a Zariman during Old Peace

[desert oak]

I had a really cool idea of a Zariman Disruption where the Demolishers are Void Seraphs/Cherubs.

[humble sierra]

And I think we went into some deeper/newer areas that we don't go into during actual Zariman ones

[desert oak]

Like mini Void Angels.

[strange plinth]

if you believe the conspiracy, wisp was tied to duviri before the delay
-# i cannot remember who started it in the archives server but it sounded reasonable enough to me lol

[desert oak]

I don't know, Wisp feels wrong. Especially when there's two extant Frames with intense Duviri connections that just aren't Duviri inexplicably.

[humble sierra]

Revenant was teased to tie into the Ropalolyst fight, I wonder if the plan was always to have Wisp be the drops there

[midnight ice]

is revenant not entirely a Cetus frame? he's the warden to a sentient in the lake that magnetizes the waters

[fast dew]

Ducky, from memory

[humble sierra]

The final part of his quest mentions a new threat or something and it's implied it's the Ropalolyst

Can't remember it exactly

[strange plinth]

there's some light duviri motifs in her current design, but the artbook has a far more duviri-styled wisp statue in it, long arm n all

[midnight ice]

i see

[strange plinth]

thought it was Ducky, wasn't sure tho

[desert oak]

Archwing is introduced on Earth. Titania, the Archwing Frame, is introduced in a quest on Earth.
K-Drive is introduced on Venus. Yareli, the K-Drive Frame, is introduced in a quest on Venus.
Kathes are introduced in Duviri, as is the idea of storybooks and manifesting stories. Dagath is... On Ceres?

[humble sierra]

Y'know what could go hard

A Protoframe that's a Duviri citizen

[midnight ice]

SICK design potential

[pale cedar]

Proto Oraxia

[midnight ice]

ACHRITIS...

[desert oak]

Kaithes aside, Dagath's role as a Dax and as folklore fits perfectly with the folkloric Duviri Dax. Especially with that weird Duviri rider enemy that gets cutscenes every time it shows up, something only Kullervo and the Orowyrms otherwise get.

[fast dew]

I like how uncomfortable she makes people once you learn her lore. I like that about characters.

[humble sierra]

Was actually expecting Dagath to get a delxue based on that

[strange plinth]

ok if we're mentioning frame locations, minor thing that i've had for a while, hydroid and equinox should be swapped
there's literally a day/night cycle for equinox's drops and hydroid fits the environment of the uranus sealab far more than earth

[humble sierra]

The rider has lore? Or are you referring to Dagath?

[pale cedar]

Duviri is based off of the Origin System

[fast dew]

The uh. Dax that Dagath became

The whole. "Oh my god she was probably an intimacy slave because she can't defy orokin orders"

[desert oak]

Dagath is perfectly suited for Duviri too. Viral damage, good against the Duviri Dax and Corrupted, right as damage changes were happening to streamline that into working nicer. Dagath screams Duviri. There's only one frame that screams it louder.

The only one louder is Koumei.

[humble sierra]

Omfg it would be so good if the Day/Night thing tied into the farm too, so that way instead of having to randomly hope for 8 parts you just have to hope for 4 (though it would add the annoying factor of having to wait for day/night accordingly)

[midnight ice]

she's the third that the orokin pair side eyed at a bar and thought they liked her vibes!

[midnight ice]

decrees

[fast dew]

Plot twist, thats why being with a dax as an orokin is a huge no-no even while Archimedians like Margulis and whatever the hell Loid is can get away with it

[midnight ice]

like, kullervo is tied to the duviri cycles, they couldve done that for equinox !!

[midnight ice]

the power dynamic issue would be absurd

[fast dew]

Because the orokin. Cares about consent suddenly

[desert oak]

Koumei looks like the Duviri enemies, is a puppet like the Duviri citizens, fights with Decrees like Duviri Drifter. You can't look at Koumei and tell me that she wasn't dreamt up as a Duviri concept and then moved elsewhere because I won't believe you.

[midnight ice]

because it sullies their image to mingle with Lessers, even dax, maybe. probably.

[strange plinth]

you make good points

[fast dew]

See, I dont like when folk try to bring up that for Albrecht and loid because. Its very clearly never been like that for them, Margulis and Ballas? Mm, maybe. But that could be bias. Those folk can consent, they can and they choose to be around them. While someone like Dagath couldn't and wouldn't be able to have that choice

Like I feel as if people throw the word around a lot

[humble sierra]

Loid and Albrecht could've been secret, Ballas is an Executor so he probably could get away with it.

[fast dew]

Like the one time a person tried to say Albrecht emotionally abused loid and never elaborated on how it was emotional abuse

[midnight ice]

the orokin couple and dagath is definitely a form of power dynamic abuse, the rest i dont have a kaithe in the race

[desert oak]

I think it's as simple as Archimedeans were second class citizens, but Dax were third class. You could move one class. Any more was unacceptable.

[midnight ice]

b bbbut he made loid a widdle sad once 🥺

[fast dew]

I mean, they went out of their way to piss the orokin off, so I wouldn't be super surprised if they were open

[strange plinth]

i love koumei but her design conflicts with itself.. quite a bit
a little more onto the pile, i suppose

[fast dew]

Noooo clearly it wasnt any form of trauma that made it hard for Albrecht to communicate nooo he must be an abuser who purposefully hurts Loid

[desert oak]

And I think I know how Koumei was supposed to work and why she didn't stay there. Koumei was clearly designed as an early game Warframe. Duviri Paradox was intended as an alternate start. What better option to give you after progressing that alternate start than a Warframe that uses the system you already know to teach you everything else?

[drowsy saddle]

Pet monke

I will die on the hill that qorvex was a gorilla albrecht kidnapped from the höllvania zoo

[fast dew]

More random ass animals Albrecht stole

[desert oak]

Same hat.

[humble sierra]

Speaking on conflicting designs I'mma vent about how the Wyld (Prime) outfits in Soulframe don't match with the Wyld Pact (Warframes) designs

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht wanted to try his hand at warframe building, but he didn't wanna use a corpse to start off with

So monke, also qorvex is the nuclear reactor frame, what's the big plot point of 1999?

[humble sierra]

First image is the basic Tetheren pact and the second is the Wyld one, why is it that the basic one fits into the
Wyld Armor better than the Wyld Pact

I spent $150, DE, why

[desert oak]

Drifter gotta learn people skills.

[midnight ice]

um. uh. uh. uhm. making out sloppy with the hex?

[humble sierra]

I would give that money regardless I love you guys you do know wrong

[drowsy saddle]

Touche

[midnight ice]

drifter gets unlimited hoes?

[fast dew]

Albrecht saw how Drifter acted in duviri and realised this mf desperately needs socialising

[desert oak]

Hilarious plot point, by the way. The Sacrifice is Operator learning people skills by getting a father. The Hex is Drifter learning people skills by meeting hot people.

[drowsy saddle]

The drifter out here banging their way through a European city harder than the second armored division

[fast dew]

And this is why Albrecht left

[desert oak]

They both got what they needed. Operator needed a parent because Lotus was, uh, indisposed. And Drifter really needed a hug and maybe a kiss or two.

[drowsy saddle]

He saw the Drifter's maidenless behavior and sought to correct it

[humble sierra]

Operator has experienced childbirth (Jade) and filicide (Umbra's memories), meanwhile Drifter has experienced babymaking (Hex) and nurturing their mother (Lotus Eidolon shards)

[fast dew]

Do we think 9/11 happened? If it did, that means my chemical romance exists... and then twilight, and then 50 shades

Oh.myf

[midnight ice]

its probably under some other name.. 9th of November event, they hit the third tower

[fast dew]

Hold on

[drowsy saddle]

A technocyte powered train slammed into the wtc

[desert oak]

It depends on where Christopher died?

Great sentences of our time, by the way.

[midnight ice]

babymaking

[humble sierra]

Drifter travelling back in time to warn New Yorkers of November 9th

[fast dew]

True..... still, mucking super funny to consider

This has also made me realise that 9/11 and Gerard way is canon to the doom games

[midnight ice]

techrot doesnt melt steel beams!

[desert oak]

Weird possibility: It didn't. Now it will.

[fast dew]

So I'll be thinking about this for a while

[humble sierra]

Seeing as Nine Inch Nails, Jeopardy! and Half-Life exist

[desert oak]

Original timeline has 1999 as the beginning of the Radiation Wars. Hard for a terrorist attack to be carried out during that.

[humble sierra]

Was it the beginning of the Radiation Wars?

[desert oak]

Maybe?

It's weird and confusing. It's at least a precourser.

[humble sierra]

I feel like the Radiation Wars happened after the Orokin, no?

[fast dew]

Oh no like. In the doom series, specifically eternal, you can find a doomified copy of 50 shades [of slay?? Shit maybe its a book about drag] so, tbat means that 9/11 happened and Gerard way, the singer of my chemical romance exists, along with a form of twilight

[drowsy saddle]

Nah, the radiation wars is the world governments fighting the techrot

[desert oak]

Do you think Drusus has a copy of Fifty Shades?

[humble sierra]

I'm under the assumption that the Orokin keep pre-Orokin history secret, and as the Radiation Wars are mentioned in the Zariman tablets they still teach it

[desert oak]

If not, what do we think Parvos will pay for it?

[midnight ice]

before, its rad wars then rise of orokin

[fast dew]

Loid might, the gruzzlings might have stolen it

[drowsy saddle]

Just 1 more nuclear holocaust, please i know we did 18 already, but 1 more nuke! 1 more please. Just trust me bro

[fast dew]

Maybe thats the book Loid couldn't finish....

[humble sierra]

Maybe the page in the Grimoire that Wally wants is Albrecht's fanfics

[midnight ice]

rad wars, destruction of arctic hive cluster, something something orokin rise

[fast dew]

His tortured love poetry is just shitty twilight fanfic

[desert oak]

Speaking of Drusus, we all agree that there was something going on between him and Dante, right?

[fast dew]

Oh fr

Did they not live together or am I schizo

[desert oak]

There's no platonic explanation for that Leverian exhibit. That's a man who misses his wife, Tails.

[fast dew]

Drusus and Loid, out here missing their wives

Because Albrecht is the wife in that relationship.

I stand firmly on that

[desert oak]

Oh, how I wish there was unique dialogue from Drusus about bringing Dante to Disruption.

[fast dew]

There isnt even one with loid, i dont think

Loid and Drusus were friends. Apparently Drusus liked "fancy waistcoats"

[desert oak]

No, which is sad. We get those sometimes, but not all the time.

[fast dew]

They had correspondence. Loid was ominous about some shit

Like he always is

[desert oak]

Konzu/Saya have a Koumei interaction, Gran has a Yareli one as do the Ventkids, Quinn and Gyre, Ordis and Jade, Baro and Inaros.

Helminth and Nidus.

[strange plinth]

nokko n nightcap

[desert oak]

Nokko and Nightcap, yes.

It's a pity that the Protoframes don't have one.

I can just imagine Leon saying something about keeping Rell's memory alive, Lettie demanding help in the med tent if we're going to look like her, Quincy saying he's still the more handsome one.

[pale cedar]

Keeping Rells memory alive is a bad idea as we get tons of people taking that as not letting him rest

[fast dew]

Hey does quiting out of peitra supposed to spit you out to the zariman?

[pale cedar]

Don’t think so

[fast dew]

And should I be able to see.

Trees??? Is that duviri???????

What the hell 😭

[pale cedar]

What in the Void have you done to yourself

[fast dew]

No clue

Ive never seen this before i don't think

[blissful merlin]

Lmao uhhh were you on the Zariman tileset before. Or maybe duviri?

[fast dew]

Nup

Deimos

Bought something from father

[blissful merlin]

[midnight ice]

i think getting out of descendia spits you out in the orbit of a random planet

ive had zariman, then earth, then mars

[midnight ice]

also yes, you can see duviri from the hole! very cool

[dire mountain]

Lavos does have a weird pseudo-connection to the entrati

Outside being obtained from deimos

There was a teaser for his prime in the labs

[midnight ice]

smth smth labs smth smth alchemy

smth smth juice bottles strapped on arms

[dire mountain]

I think that whatever lavos has in his vials are like, the same thing powering the necramechs

Because ot isnt just the culverain

But isn't it interesting albrecht is presumably using the fundamental forces of the universe to power the necramechs he wanted to fight the murmur

You know, powering them with something the Indifference hates

[fast dew]

Mm, what is the purpose of the head i wonder

[dire mountain]

On the dogs?

It looks like a multitool

Their stature would also allow for them to fit into tight spaces for repairs and whatnot

[fast dew]

Thats what im thinking, the culverains look like they have. Yk that injector Silco needed in Arcane? Random but very similar appearance

[dire mountain]

Maybe thats why those two designs arent super humanoid like voidrig or bonewidow

They were never designed to be controlled like the combat mechs

[fast dew]

Mm, nodding nodding

[dire mountain]

The combat rigs are that way because the human mind is a little fickle and if you look down and don't see a humanish body you start to lose it?

[fast dew]

Yeah I can agree with that

Plus, I imagine its a lot harder to pilot a quadruped

[dire mountain]

I also think the vial things might be related to the Vortengeist? I could be stretching but the gyre deluxe stuff is a little reminiscent

And we know the current laboratories are a result of the Entrati and Vortengeist marriage

[fast dew]

Vortengeist is definitely related to the entrati [literally lmao]

Its interesting to see how Father's style varied from the vortengeist aesthetic

[dire mountain]

Well yeah 😭 but I mean the technology wise

[fast dew]

OH MY GOD

WE KNOW WHAT SIDE THE OBOLS CAME FROM

IT WOULD BE ALBRECHT'S SIDE

[dire mountain]

I wonder if it's due to him now being part of the House Entrati instead of Vortengeist

From what little we have it seems like marriage would have the surname of the most prestigious house

[fast dew]

Vortengeist being lesser compared to the entrati, yeah

Everyone wouldve been lmfao

[dire mountain]

So it's like "Hey yeah you gotta abandon your old aesthetic you're with our crew now hope you like coins"

[fast dew]

Petros quickly realising that his partner's dad might be abnormal

[pale cedar]

The family that put the stars within reach vs the family that didn’t

[dire mountain]

The family that solved the energy production forever and gave way to FTL travel versus like steampunk

[fast dew]

Albrecht does have a thing for the past, i wonder if he was interested in how steampunk and the vortengeist style was so similar

[dire mountain]

What do we have about albrecht's interactions with petros again

[proper edge]

Hello, I'm a returning player, I left around the time Dante was released, can anyone give me a video on youtube so that I can refresh my lore and then continue forward with the remaining quests? Thank you very much 🙂

[fast dew]

Well, it seemed to ge a mess up on the writers part, or maybe he just got too wormed, but Petros himself didn't meet Albrecht. But... Loid played with Son?

Kalymos and Albrecht were around when the grandchildren were little too

[strange plinth]

loretubers tend to be unreliable, unfortunately
best thing to do is probably replaying Whispers in the Walls, in terms of the most relevant quest for future content

[hollow trench]

I have tried to replay whispers in the walls and it’s bugged for me 🙁

[strange plinth]

afaik its only bugged if you've done the old peace

[hollow trench]

Also Dagaths lore is v sad

[hollow trench]

Pain and suffering

[strange plinth]

indeed

[hollow trench]

That update has the best music besides komei

So question right

When we finally meet Wally face to face or whatever he is if he has no face

Are gonna just power of friendship him to death? Is it gonna be like an episode of Captain Planet where we all just join forces

[strange plinth]

so far love has been driving him away

[midnight ice]

steven universe it

[hollow trench]

This

[midnight ice]

so if we just gather the hex into one big polycule we can defeat him with the force of alloromantism

voltron style

laser beam style

[strange plinth]

well, we've already pushed him out of 1999
dunno how much that will do

[strange turtle]

We are going to make Voltron with the Vessels, Hunhow, Natah, Praghasa and the Archons in a big teamup trust

[fast dew]

Tbf I think love pushing him away is both a literal and metaphorical thing

[strange turtle]

Also the Holdfasts’ll be there

[fast dew]

As in wally uses prefatory tactics to make people [mainly children] vulnerable and thats a lot harder to do when you're surrounded by people who you love

[hollow trench]

I do remember tagfur talking about how it’s a very weird perspective for Wally to be reaching out but all he does is scare us half to death or melt peoples minds

[fast dew]

Yeah. And that's tagfer's opinion without the knowledge of certain things

Ie wally making us kill our parents and tormenting an autistic boy for thousands of years

[strange turtle]

Also Neci and then Isleweaver. It happens afterwards but, still

[hollow trench]

Love prime will take 69 argon crystals to build and then 600 void angel plumes

[strange turtle]

Also those poor guys in that mining colony

[fast dew]

Wally attacks childhood memories, and uses them to alienate people from folk who love them, when it comes to adults

Biggest example is neci

[hollow trench]

Does Wally understand mortality at all too? Or is it just as alien as love

[fast dew]

He understands pain

[idle fog]

how long did tenno sleep until they woke up in like the very start of the game

[strange plinth]

i want to say minerva's body in isleweaver says something about this but not sure

[hollow trench]

His reaction when we held him in whispers of the walls

It was as if he was experiencing a sudden shift

[fast dew]

He knows it well enough to try and pull whatever bs he tried in the hex when he was Loid. "Master, you're- hurting me!". He knows that "hurt is bad"

[strange plinth]

between the night of naga drums and Awakening, roughly 1000 years

[idle fog]

I guess the operator is technically 1000 years old

[hollow trench]

Okay so a general question/thought

if albrecht was the one who formed/ discovered the man in the wall wouldn’t it mirror him?

And would he then use that baseline as a way to understand communication

[strange plinth]

technically, yes
they're also older than the lotus by the same logic

[fast dew]

Mm. I wonder why I like ballas when hes all pathetic and messed up, but I feel like laughing at Albrecht when he's messed up and bleeding

Hm. This is something I must ponder

[fast dew]

Initially, maybe. Conceptual embodiment can and will act outside what its source material was.

[pale cedar]

This mentality must be studied

[fast dew]

I think its. Because Ballas holds a position of power that is obvious to the viewer??

[hollow trench]

Ballas is space Epstein

[pale cedar]

He’s not though

[fast dew]

Its not just pathetic men its. The loss of power???

[hollow trench]

He’s pretty close to it

[fast dew]

Hm. I need to understand myself more sometimes

Maybe this is trauma related

Anyways

[idle fog]

Ballas is Warframe Shadow Milk Cookie but worse

[hollow trench]

The orokin don’t have morals perse

[fast dew]

The vessles have meat

[pale cedar]

Ballas wasn’t even the worst Orokin in Orokin era

[hollow trench]

True

[hollow trench]

Jerkey 🤤

Jerkey prime

[idle fog]

me when the seven:

[hollow trench]

Nitokh was the worst

[fast dew]

This is highly refined grey strain, i think so you might get wormed like the entrati

In Roathe's opinion

Remember, this man is biased

[hollow trench]

But hear me out

I get super powers

[pale cedar]

There’s people who think when Roathe said Ballas wasn’t the worst that meant he the least worst

[fast dew]

HA

HAHA. OH.

No. Not at all.

[pale cedar]

He literally still could’ve been the second worst still

[idle fog]

real question is WHO is the worst and what did the guy do

[fast dew]

I think the least worse would be Scarne

[fast dew]

To Roathe, its Niktoh. Which, fair. She was his abuser n all

[hollow trench]

What are we gonna find when we go to tau

[fast dew]

Albrecht, probably

A weapon, maybe

[hollow trench]

Dead orokin?

[fast dew]

No, they liquefy upon death, if they do die

[midnight ice]

time for another cuisine discussion of what vesselmeat would taste like

[hollow trench]

EXCUSE ME

[topaz pawn]

dead sentients maybe

[midnight ice]

orokin soldiers were liquified on death to something something preserve honor

[pale cedar]

Worst is subjective due to the fact we say it as we’ve interacted with Ballas the most rather than knowing what the others have done

[hollow trench]

THEY WHAT

[opaque zenith]

One rock, perhaps two

[midnight ice]

this was in a roathe vn

[fast dew]

Yeah

They do that.

[topaz pawn]

the memorial blender

[pale cedar]

You did that

[fast dew]

Did i? Yes of course, im tormis

[hollow trench]

The worst protein shake in existence

[pale cedar]

Grineer actually eat each other

All that brotherly love to just be eaten

[topaz pawn]

wonder if that means kuva is acidic

[fast dew]

No, i don't think it would be

Given. They drink it

[midnight ice]

the kuva we drank at tnw tasted like calypso lemonade

[pale cedar]

Is blood acidic?

[fast dew]

Mm

[midnight ice]

its kuva-jolted which i assume smth was done to them with kuva

[fast dew]

Certain bodily fluids are

[midnight ice]

neutral alkaline ph

unless you're undergoing ketoacidosis

[fast dew]

I think?

[topaz pawn]

alkaline but yeah

[midnight ice]

most bodily fluids are alkaline, i think?

i know stomach acid is, well,

[topaz pawn]

stomach acid

[opaque zenith]

Eating your bro should be normalised tbf /j

[hollow trench]

I saw that

[midnight ice]

eating my bro...? 😳

sorry they're executing me at the town square tomorrow

[fast dew]

Sure that. Thats the liquid i was meaning

[pale cedar]

Think Grineer slurry is tasty?

[fast dew]

Hell no

[hollow trench]

Soylent grineer

[topaz pawn]

delicious mutation

[midnight ice]

wonderful pherliac

[fast dew]

[buoyant bridge]

I figured Kullervo was like a void angel frame, with a duviri theme, his 1 being similar to the angel attack where they teleport and strike, and his alt helmet having similar void metal stuff growing out of his head

[strange turtle]

He is not

[opaque zenith]

Turns out he's just depressed and in a constant guilt trip spiral

[strange plinth]

yea pretty much

[strange turtle]

He’s got some connection to the Void, given Storm of Ukko’s description, but its not an Angel thing

[dire mountain]

No?

He's got the duviri design motifs

ignore the fact that he's not even originally from duviri so his time there just did that to him

His default helmet looks like domimus thrax

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah, obviously duviri is the main part of his design. I don't think he's literally a void angel, I just felt like he had some things in common with them that I would say he's like a void angel frame. It's not his whole deal, but it's gotta be there for a reason

[rigid brook]

Was rell moving like king von against man in da walls

[pale cedar]

No

Rell didn’t move at all

Literally chained himself inside of a tomb

[ocean geyser]

I can’t tell if you got what he meant by moving or not lmao

[tall echo]

I think the tomb might've come after the chaining

[pale cedar]

How can it come after the chaining if he’s chained in the tomb

[tall echo]

he's chained up to a tree

build tomb around tree

it's not too unusual for religious tombs to be built around the entombed

tomb is starting to look like a fake word

[ocean geyser]

Toomb :3

I wonder why the tree is like
On fire though
Does Red Veil have eternally burning tree magic

[pale cedar]

Aren’t all words fake words as they had to be created by someone

[ocean geyser]

What would real words be then

[strange turtle]

No but Wally moves like King Von against random space people

[tall echo]

" "

[ocean geyser]

Trueeeeee

[tall echo]

yes

[glass sluice]

you keep saying that, is that some kinda kink thing?

[tall echo]

the red veil really likes eternally burning trees

[drowsy saddle]

Toombmen

[tall echo]

tyl regor plays minecraft, complains about the coobmen

[strange turtle]

Target the people you hate for harming you?: ❌

Sit on your ass and torment people with no connection to literally anything ever?

[strange turtle]

King Von?

[glass sluice]

sure, whatever that means

[strange turtle]

He’s a serial killer 😭

[glass sluice]

im going to take a wild swing and say this is from an anime

[strange turtle]

No

Real life

He was a rapper

[opaque zenith]

My bet is Von Doom, somehow

[glass sluice]

so a rapper is a serial killer and somehow this connects to the entity that may or may not control the void.

wow how could i possibly be confused by all that.

[midnight ice]

you know those, uh, gas firepits?

they have a budget entirely for gas bills

the red veil syndicate room is actually just really warm

i think they kind of drive up everyones air conditioning bills, especially teshin's room which is just. A walk in freezer

[glass sluice]

the fire being turned up is purely to drown out Simaris.

TENNO YOU HAVE DONE WELL.

[strange turtle]

???

Nobody said anything about a connection?

[tall echo]

he's not even on the same floor

simaris is just that loud

[glass sluice]

I do like being called his hunter though, makes me feel more fancy than just having someone else scan it for me.

[midnight ice]

You are a fire-

-# TENNO! ARE YOU READY FOR SYNTHESIS?!

-as feared as you are-

-# TENNO! THE SANCTUARY AWAITS YOU!

-respected.

[strange turtle]

The guy just compared King Von and Wally because they both kill people

[tall echo]

I bet all my duviri fish that simaris shouts so much bc he has caramelldansen playing on max volume 24/7

[glass sluice]

You're responding to yourself, you crazy weirdo.

i swear, missing Duviri phase that one.

[tall echo]

it was very funny on my old acc bc my username was Sir_Hunter

dude was just leaving out the honorific

[glass sluice]

Joy/Anger/Sorrow/bit weird/Envy.

[tall echo]

what

[opaque zenith]

Fear, isn't?

[glass sluice]

I'm trying to work out what phase the guy who keeps talking about rappers would be in Duviri.
"gibbering idiot" felt like a bit much.

I guess it's not technically a singular strong emotion, but if Dom Thrax can leave for an Event, then I can make stuff up too.

[strange turtle]

Definitely a bit much for someone who got confused by a basic comparison and doesn’t seem to understand that people can use the Reply function for more than just responses to be throwing around

[glass sluice]

If I start making deep-cut references to Sliders, then refuse to explain them, you can bet people are going to be mad at me for it.

all you need to do is just explain how this rapper who is apparently a real serial killer, works as a reference to the Man in the Wall.

[buoyant bridge]

They're just saying Wally is killing a bunch of people. King Von killed people, so Wally's moving like King Von

[glass sluice]

I'm still lost on who king von is, and google is not being helpful

[strange turtle]

Ignoring that the reference was explained, actually, and that you could have just looked it up if you were still confused.

King Von isn’t a deep-cut reference it’s just been a couple years since he exploded in relevancy

[glass sluice]

I have literally never heard of him until you made the comparison several times.

how is a serial killer allowed to be a rapper, is he not in prison?

[buoyant bridge]

He died I think

[glass sluice]

well i mean, good if he was a serial killer

seems kinda tasteless to glorify the murdering of real innocent people

[strange turtle]

Serial killer isn’t an actual legal thing, and he was acquitted for the crimes that he was charged for at the time, from what I understand

[glass sluice]

so he's a fake then

[strange turtle]

No he did actually kill people, he just got acquitted of the crimes

[glass sluice]

then it shouldnt be glorified

regardless though: I dont think wally has been determined innocent of crimes in a court of law, so he's not super relevant here

why not go for a fictional entity to compare Wally to?

you know what, dont worry about it. You make all the bad comparisons you like. I'm cool with it.

[tall echo]

what is your issue

[strange turtle]

And they weren’t necessarily innocent, as he was a gangmember who engaged in gang violence (not that I’m saying this makes it better or anything, just clarifying)

It’s not really a glorification, its more like. King Von had a very, extreme reputation. He isn’t known because of the sheer number of people he killed or how violent he was, but because of how people talked about him doing what he did.

Like how people make comparisons to various dictators that I probably can’t name here. It’s not glorifiying it’s just a, general comparison of people for being violent and messed up

[strange turtle]

Why specifically go for a fictional entity? The point isn’t their specific actions, just that the two being compared are violent, messed up figures who have killed a bunch people

[buoyant bridge]

Yeah, it's like talking about nuking in warframe. I'm not glorifying nuclear weapons or not caring about the real victims of them, it's just a comparison because they have similarly destructive power in their respective world

[glass sluice]

I very much disagree with that comparison, but as I said: go for it, nothing to do with me.

[spice spade]

Does this game have gods?

please its a serious question.

[drowsy saddle]

Define "god"

[buoyant bridge]

Afaik: No?*
There's religions, and a lot of supernatural beings like the indifference and the unum, but no clearly defined gods

[opaque zenith]

Gods that you can interact, no (unless you consider Wally one), but there's religions with faiths and 'these gods workshiped'

[drowsy saddle]

There hasn't been any indication that the worshipped beings of Sol and Lua exist

[spice spade]

Cuz google said “the man in the wall” was described as a god???

In warframe yk

[drowsy saddle]

Google ai is abysmal garbage

[spice spade]

Uhm okay

[drowsy saddle]

Warframe in particular is basically impossible for AI to figure out because of how much conflicting "info" exists from reddit threads, edited fandom wikis etc etc

[spice spade]

So u mean the man in the wall is considered as god in warframe?

[drowsy saddle]

Do you? Its a genuine question of debate

What even is a god?

[spice spade]

I am religious.And playing a game that have gods is a problem for me, so thats why i am asking

I have been playing for months

[opaque zenith]

K, there's some truth to that, It's described as a god by some and not by others, essentialy a cosmic entity and you decide on the "divinity" by your own character opinion/faith

[midnight ice]

the term god is extremely subjective and depends on your classification of what "god" is

[spice spade]

Im not an atheist

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah, its pretty much depends on what you would describe as God

[opaque zenith]

W/out spoliers, I think you'll like Roathe if you didn't met him yet

[spice spade]

Do you guys even believe in god?..

[midnight ice]

that's not what i'm saying, yes, i'm also religious born and raised catholic. i went to ash wednesday and the whole ten miles

you're missing our point

[buoyant bridge]

It's not a god in the same sense that God is

[drowsy saddle]

Does it matter? Again its all based on what you think counts as god

[opaque zenith]

Pernonal private thing, for me

[glass sluice]

if i did id be going straight to hell for like 3 different reasons.
so id rather not think about it

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder if he's trying to avoid having to explain the trinity

[midnight ice]

if you count "God" with the objective counter of 1) omnipotent 2) omniscient 3) demiurgic then, no, Wally is not a god

[spice spade]

Even if i DONT think he is a god, if the game described him/it as a god i cant play this game seriously even if it didn’t control my faith or expectations

[midnight ice]

explaining the trinity is a lot of "well, yes, but also,"

[drowsy saddle]

"but also, heresy"

[midnight ice]

the game never describes wally as a god

[midnight ice]

schism time!

[glass sluice]

if your beliefs are that shaky that you can't read the word "god" without panicking, you may not want to play video games anymore.

[spice spade]

Hmmm

[glass sluice]

like, 90% of them use religious imagery in some way, shape, or form

[midnight ice]

oh my god

honestly i don't know what flavour of religious you are but this is not idolatry nor is it breaking the first commandment. and you're relying on... AI overviews

[spice spade]

From warframe forums btw

[opaque zenith]

AI, disregard and suspect always

[midnight ice]

i'm stepping off 😭 good luck everyone

[glass sluice]

oh cmon this is fun.

[drowsy saddle]

Please, do not rely on AI that scrapes reddit threads and mixes it all together

[spice spade]

I mean ai is right isnt he

[drowsy saddle]

I would like to remind everyone that Google AI had a period of time where it suggested drinking bleach as a diet plan

Because again, it copies random words people say on the internet

[glass sluice]

you are turning google AI into a "he" instead of an "it".
that sounds pretty sacrilegious to me.

[opaque zenith]

first: It, second: No

[midnight ice]

also nobody worships Wally bfr

[glass sluice]

guys I have bad news. Meg has a tattoo. She's going to hell.
I know, terrible news.

[midnight ice]

OH, good timing, Roathe.

[opaque zenith]

All the poor people who play the blood queen will go to hell (blood for the blood god)

[spice spade]

can you give me your evidence with picture or smth

[midnight ice]

i just sent it?

the indifference is wally

[spice spade]

About gods in warframe not ai

[drowsy saddle]

I mean... Lyon is a priest of Lua