lore-discussion

[dark compass]

Besides I don't even know what species it would be

[fast dew]

Just a random fictional species. Dw about it

[fast dew]

And thats fair, I think that a fursona is more of a thing for you to analyse your current identity over a thing to restrict your identity to, yk?

[dark compass]

I need to have one to analyze first

[strange turtle]

Steal someone elses

That should do it

https://tenor.com/view/the-man-in-wall-warframe-gif-24269482

[fast dew]

... fair

[dark compass]

It's a can of worms I need but don't like opening

Anyways, whatever, doesn't matter, moving on

[brittle siren]

Don't forget “uwu” and “OwO”

[dark compass]

I also have those rights already

I don't need to be a furry to be bold and use these

[tall echo]

indeed

[twin wigeon]

hmm much lore

[dark compass]

Don't worry, they'll add furries eventually

[cursive storm]

https://tenor.com/view/doubt-press-x-la-noire-meme-x-button-gif-19259237

[dark compass]

Voruna protoframe will be the end of it

And you know that it is inevitable and will happen one day

[cursive storm]

Also, uwu and owo come from anime characters making facial expressions that resemble them, and are therefore not related, or belonging, to furries

[cursive storm]

Hmm, yes. A woman with 4 dogs, perfectly normal

[dark compass]

Yes but

Usage has clearly been appropriated

[cursive storm]

It hasn't, actually

[dark compass]

Hm

I'm not furry enough to argue about all of it. You should take it up with the upper management

Thomas or whoever else here is a furry

[cursive storm]

In fact, the furries I know don't use them at all. And the anime loving people I know do use them

[twin wigeon]

erm actually they might just be a modern interpretation of emoticons

[silk atlas]

It originated from a Yu Gi Oh fanfic, actually. And there are still plenty of furries that use it

[cursive storm]

Still, not exclusively a furry thing

[tall echo]

voruna and valkyr already exist

[tall echo]

bro is gatekeeping emoticons

[cursive storm]

Gatekeeping? No, not in the slightest. I'm simply saying furries aren't the only people who use them

[tall echo]

right, reverse gatekeeping. it is primarily furries that use uwu/owo tbh

exceptions apply to everything

sounds meaner than I intended it to, I really gotta work on that

[twin wigeon]

so what is aoi then?

she's not a furry is she? :3

she does indeed make me feel fuzzy tho :>

[ocean geyser]

Aoi’s just a lil silly

[glass sluice]

Well, at first. It's 100% an armour she puts on.

[dark compass]

Sillygating

[glass sluice]

Putting on a front to protect yourself.
I like her writing possibly the most out of them all, except for El of course, who hits way too close to home in some bits.

[tall echo]

Eeeh

50%

[tiny zenith]

Is it okay to talk about something involving Roathe here? Or is there a better chat for it

[dark compass]

#spoiler-chat generally

[old shell]

Why is harrow prime whipping himself with his prime thurible

[pallid spoke]

No, but Amir is

[waxen mesa]

how long was Ballas planning things

Like, was the invention of sentients part of his plan? Seems like he essentially tricked the rest of the seven into allowing them

[tall echo]

What

[old shell]

Penance

[tall echo]

That's not exclusive to prime

But also, look up what penance means, that explains it

Essentially religious self-punishment, which is harrow's whole thing

[midnight ice]

i like the implication that thomas is the general manager of the playwarframe furry branch

[tall echo]

Even though I should be >:(

[dark compass]

I'm low. From my perspective, having a fursona is already higher on the ladder

[dark compass]

Is there a proper hierarchy?

[tall echo]

No

But I should be the general manager anyways

[dark compass]

Judging by your reaction you definitely want one

[tall echo]

I'm a very competetive person

[fast dew]

That i am

Im the program manager

[tall echo]

No

[faint spire]

It's people-pleasing. She uses cutesy language to try to push the idea that she's harmless because she's terrified of being seen as frightening or unapproachable.

Contrast that with Eleanor who's just like "🦆 it, everyone's scared of me no matter what I do, might as well lean into it"

And Lettie who actively wants to be more prickly so people don't walk over her because her powers being selfless and supportive by design means she has to be a bad 🐕 to not be seen as a doormat.

[tall echo]

1. No
2. Yes
3. No

[fast dew]

Yeah no Lettie is just like that

Lettie is a nurse by her own choice, why would she pretend to be so aggressive because her powers mean supportive roles?

Albrecht likely chose trinity because shes a nurse

[glass sluice]

The question has always sorta floated around if Alby chose the specific frames, or if he gave them the serum, and the sorta "chose themselves", by becoming what made sense for that person, which if true, says personality plays a lot into it.

[fast dew]

Higher chance Albrecht chose them individually, i don't think helminth mutates without extreme emotions (hello mirage)

[glass sluice]

the prime trailers have always been a little funny, i dont know if i want to count them as 100% canon in the long run.
it feels more like a "kuria" situation.

[topaz pawn]

the Protoframe Dossier implies that they were "matched" with a frame

I don't doubt Albrecht chose serums based on what they were already specialising in

[glass sluice]

yeah im going to keep on the "possibly not canon in the future" train, if its going how i think its going to.

[glass sluice]

well i know theyre from warframes, thats obvious.
what i object to is that the term "proto frame" is misleading, and im trying to make sense of why they picked it.

[lean garden]

Im not sure what train would lead to there

[lean garden]

because it sounds cool

but also since theyre all in the stage before turning into the full frame

they are fulfilling the proto-prefix

[glass sluice]

yeah still dont like that they used it, i was expecting something very different from the quest before i ran it and found that out

tbh i was expecting more from the start of that quest, it felt kinda rushed

[blissful merlin]

Proto frames fit them best. Idk what other name would suite them. But proto is the best

[blissful merlin]

That’s what the comics and arg are for. ^.^ and you can easily access those to see what all occurred. They set up the main quest and how it all plays out. 1999 is def one of my fav lore pieces just with how it set up from beginning to end.

[restive river]

People always think its the other definition of proto lol

[glass sluice]

i dont really interact with any of that outside media stuff

[restive river]

You should

The 1999 ARG was fantastic

[blissful merlin]

Like the “person before the actual frame” and such. I’ve had to tell a few bud that’s not how this works lol

[restive river]

Tbh I can see the argument that 1999 was a kinda “you had to be there” sorta thing

[glass sluice]

yeah thats exactly what i assumed by the term "proto", especially with proto-excal being in the game.

im my experience, 99% of the external media is just, the worst thing put to paper.
maybe ill give the wf stuff a go.

[restive river]

Well that one’s a reference to dark sector

[restive river]

I wouldn’t say that’s the case with WF

[glass sluice]

im aware that its from DS, but like, if its just a tie-in piece, adding lore that could be realistically in the game was a tad confusing

[tall echo]

yea

[glass sluice]

i used to read tie-in novels at my local library and my god, you would not believe how bad they got.

[woven coyote]

what do you even mean kuria situation?

[fast dew]

Yeah what the kurias canon

[strange plinth]

they're a little weird and the context around getting them is a little weird but everything else remains solid

[fast dew]

I like to think they're just another form of media storage the orokin had

[faint spire]

The protoframes infected with the strain eventually become Warframes themselves, the protoframes are just in a weird state of arrested development where the infection is only partially complete.

Based on the principles of eternalism, the protoframes being chronologically ahead of the prime variants does weird things to causality, like in the case of temple where a "deleted" strain pops up again because of Flare

[fast dew]

Hm?

[glass sluice]

finding out that ayatan scluptures are filled with mostly screaming and murder, and we use them to look pretty was ....interesting.

[fast dew]

No, no no. They all die. Other than flare/temple, and kaya, they all die

[tall echo]

temple wasn't "deleted", just never produced

[fast dew]

Can't exactly escape the uh. 18 radiation wars

[faint spire]

Afaik the temple strain was halted in testing. Prototypes did exist for long enough for Ballas to decide not to continue with full scale production

Hence deleted

[tall echo]

nothing that specific is ever stated

[faint spire]

How else would he have known the personality of a strain without testing it

[fast dew]

... no, it existed. Just never used. Albrecht stole it

Or, probably stole it

[tall echo]

because. he makes the frames

[fast dew]

And "prototypes" arent really a thing afaik

[tall echo]

yea that too

it's either a made frame or it's not, one exception being whatever the rhino prime codex has

excuse typos it's 6am

[fast dew]

Which was still identifiably rhino, just. With a mouth

[tall echo]

well, it's not described well enough

[tall echo]

no one's using ayatans to look pretty

[fast dew]

Mm. Maybe its. "Oh this is rhino prime codex, must be rhino" sorta thing

[glass sluice]

wait, you dont all fill your orbiter with them?

[tall echo]

I use anasas to decorate the path to the backroom helminth but that's to show poor rng

[tall echo]

I upgrade too many mods for that

I do have one of each ayatan on the red couch tho

[glass sluice]

this is a playtime thing. ive got over a million endo, i dont need more

[tall echo]

how long have you been playing

[glass sluice]

november 2014, but i didnt really start until early the next year.
took me a sec to really click

[tall echo]

nothing in this game is a playtime thing, ngl

[fast dew]

Nah, i sell em at a bloated price to tenno who fall for buying. 10 ayatan sculptures for 40p

[glass sluice]

thats gonna be how i eventually buy all the animation sets

right now im seeing how many useless mods i can sell, and that profit is going to afford the holster collection

[tall echo]

4p each is kinda low actually

[fast dew]

40, not 4

[tall echo]

10 for 40

1 for 4

[fast dew]

... no

I mean for each

That. Shouldve seen specified

[tall echo]

should've said that

[pearl jay]

Is it possible that lavos prime's and to that extent normal lavo's snakes are some sort of orowyrm?

[tall echo]

no

[pearl jay]

Ok, but they are kinda similar right? Or am I just blind?

[tall echo]

1. base lavos was first
2. orowyrms aren't even remotely similar visually or in origin

[pearl jay]

So I'm blind then? Ok.

[tall echo]

one snake is a transformed alchemist, the other is made from lavos' own flesh

[pearl jay]

How do we know about that 😭

[tall echo]

leverian

[fast dew]

Nah, but that sounds like a sick ephemera

[pearl jay]

Fr

[pearl jay]

Oh, ok.

[proper barn]

no we know where the snakes are from.

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

[ashen pulsar]

ballbrecht entrati

[fast dew]

Orbrecht entrati

[pale cedar]

Obolbrecht Entrati

[drowsy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/fallout-4-fallout-nuke-truth-nuke-trvthnvke-gif-4026368109233378466

[fast dew]

Xata nuke.. ...

[tall echo]

Xataxaku

[pale cedar]

Who is Xata and why do they whisper in the walls?

[fast dew]

Do. Do we know what modes of transportation an orokin would have? Theres the kaithe drawn carriage from the old peace but is that for high ranking orokin or exclusively executors or. Like. What?

[lean garden]

the executors have their own ships

[fast dew]

Mm. Shouldve specified more

[restive river]

Karrish had his stomach archwing

[fast dew]

Normal planet transport, is it like. All airborne scifi style or do they just have really fancy cars or smthn?

Because judging from the weird highway road area on the cambion drift, id assume there was more of a prevalent ground based transport system

[ashen pulsar]

which ended up in baro’s collection

somehow

[restive river]

The Void

[dark compass]

I imagine they fly line the one in duviri

The fancy flying carriages

[fast dew]

Mm. How would the carriage be supported?

[dark compass]

Orocar

[fast dew]

Ive never understood how those things work, flying horse carriages

[dark compass]

Like those pod races in star wars

[fast dew]

Is it. Maybe like a train? Where the movement of the carriage behind mildly pushes the horses to go faster, stabilising the flight? How does the horse get off the ground without the whole carriage weighing on them? How does the harness stay intact?

[drowsy saddle]

The golden orb teleporter in the zariman and sanctum

[pale cedar]

They swapped cars for planes

Corpus city seemingly shows a train network though and Albrecht did make a train

[drowsy saddle]

The techbro reinvention of the train

[fast dew]

Mm, trains... reckon he chose a train cus he like. Autism

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht understands the purity and sanctity of the train

Hence why he steals old subway cars

The orokin are techbros who keep reinventing public transport for private use

Like making vending machines and calling them Bodega Boxes

[pale cedar]

He’s not beating the autism allegations

[fast dew]

Albrecht likes normal metro trains .....

"I like loid. Ima hit people who try to get loid with a train", brilliant thinking

[strange turtle]

Revolutionary “Light Mobile Homes” that offer relative comfort while still being easily transportable and quick to set up. Perfect for the battlefield or travelling

(Literally just an overcomplicated tent)

[fast dew]

No, you see they gotta have. Hot water and a shower in their tent

[strange turtle]

Actually

Have we even seen any tents aside from the Grineer ones on the Plains

[drowsy saddle]

Is it really a tent? And not like, build-a-base?

[fast dew]

Build-a-base lmfao

[strange turtle]

I imagine that they’d have like, the shuttle things from cyberpunk. Aerodyne?

But bigger and more comfortable

[fast dew]

Mm, thats kinda what I vibe with

[pale cedar]

I don’t think any other faction uses tents

[strange turtle]

I mean the random ones you get the bounties from

[pale cedar]

Though their ships have small beds

[topaz pawn]

oh here's a fun fact; aerodynes are real. the word just refers to any heavier-than-air aircraft

[fast dew]

The road absolutely could just be for non-orokin groundborne transport, but with something like the entrati family, I dont know why theyd be needing it

[drowsy saddle]

Now im reminded of the house-in-a-can from TABG

[topaz pawn]

so like. planes and drones and helicopters. Pondsmith just used the word to specifically refer to flying cars

[drowsy saddle]

Why do i get the feeling that it isn't actually transport routes and is just Albrecht building a planet sized train set

[fast dew]

Ground transport for materials? For some reason i dont think it would be particularly useful to use ground transport for materials

[fast dew]

Its specifically a two way road, so i wouldnt think its that (most trainlines are the same line both ways)

[pale cedar]

I don’t even think Albrecht’s train actually can be used it’s literally in a lab

[fast dew]

Albrecht just. Has teleportation. I don't think we talk enough about that

What even is powering the labs??

[drowsy saddle]

Would albrecht have a car, and if so, what would it be

[drowsy saddle]

Probably a finger? Like the zariman?

[fast dew]

Mm. For the silly aspect, a Beetle.

[fast dew]

There is a finger somewhere actually

[pale cedar]

Yeah we once had a person asking how Albrecht got to the Hex when we didn’t see how he got there like he can’t just use his legs or teleport

[drowsy saddle]

Funnily enough, i can see it. Like its got enough style to satisfy the orokin left in him, but is also practical

[pale cedar]

Maybe Albrecht’s train teleports

[drowsy saddle]

Its either that, or an armored family wagon turned pick-up truck

[fast dew]

I cannot recall where this is, its not even my image but

[strange turtle]

Wasn’t it one of the necracell things?

[fast dew]

Mm, maybe? Doesn't look like a netracell

[pale cedar]

Original finger found trust

[tall echo]

Herbie?

[topaz pawn]

pillar named finger:

[fast dew]

Yes. Exactly why.

Man screw you i can't have any nerd shit to myself 💔

[pale cedar]

I still find it odd how people think Albrecht has the finger when Wally would have it by now if he did considering he can literally get information you store in your brain

[tall echo]

Now I wanna watch the herbie movies again

[tall echo]

I am more nerd than you could ever hope to be

[fast dew]

See. Wally is just. Bluffing dont you know hes some giga smart god or whatever.??

[fast dew]

Absolutely not. There is no way to cap getting institutionalised from fixating on a game too hard

[pale cedar]

Ah yes the total god of the void who gets beaten up by such a thing as love

[fast dew]

I still have the admission bands

[tall echo]

I am literally roleplaying as a cephalon 33% of the time

I have SO MUCH useless info memorized

[pale cedar]

There’s no such thing as useless information

[tall echo]

What's the use of knowing the old forging methods of various swords

[pale cedar]

Money

[tall echo]

Or the entire creation myth(and following events) of a religion I don't officially follow

[tall echo]

I need that to get any use out of it yes

[pale cedar]

What use did the Orokin have with money?

[fast dew]

I think Love pushing wally away is super interesting. Some folk like to go on about how he on a subconscious level cant understand it yada yada and I agree to some degree, but its also like

No dude he hates it because its harder to do the shit he does when people are close. He uses very predatory tactics when tormenting folk (specifically children and their childhood memories) and its a known thing that a strong loving connection makes those tactics fail more

[drowsy saddle]

To flex on the poors

[strange turtle]

Making friends with a smith or HEMA guy

[tall echo]

Reminder that ppl actually believe wally in isleweaver is telling the truth when saying stuff like "you can't win" "I'm undefeatable" etc

[pale cedar]

I wonder if the Entrati family are poor now

[tall echo]

Their currency is primarily made of rocks so
Probably

[fast dew]

I mean

There is an obscene amount of gold

[tall echo]

Not much in the tokens

[pale cedar]

Gold seems to be worthless in terms of profit

[tall echo]

Grofit

[pale cedar]

They literally only used it to make things look better

[tall echo]

Right I was gonna try to get into HEMA...

I wonder if orokin gold was alloyed or not

[strange turtle]

I mean they have an active deal with the Corpus and Grineer

[topaz pawn]

it's also just a very good theme and moral that "the only way to combat indifference is to deeply care for everyone"

[fast dew]

Obols get pretty large... imagine one just hitting someone on the head

[tall echo]

Obol launcher

Instant decapitation

[pale cedar]

When did this happen lol?

[strange turtle]

….the Deimos bounties

[topaz pawn]

they have a corpus scientist and squad of grineer on their payroll

[tall echo]

Garv's squad and thst one corpus moron

[strange turtle]

Latrox and that one squad that they keep working with

[pale cedar]

I doubt Latrox is paying to stay on the moon

[tall echo]

He's being paid to

[pale cedar]

How the hell does he even get given the credits they’re much taller than he is

[fast dew]

Garv... Garvey... preston Garvey.. . .....

[fast dew]

Sprinkled onto him like. Well. Sprinkles

[pale cedar]

Throwing credits at people and hoping the Infestation doesn’t eat it is certainly a plan

[tall echo]

Another settlement needs your help. I've marked the location on your pip-boy

[fast dew]

Albrecht would want a pipboy I feel

Neat little goober gadget

[pale cedar]

Albrecht is fine dealing with the Infestation in 1999 but when it came to his Infested family he ran away

[tall echo]

With or without game compatibility

I mean like grognak&the ruby ruins etc

[fast dew]

With game compatibility, he gotta play games sometimed

[tall echo]

Imagine finally catching up to albrecht and he's just playing pipfall

[fast dew]

Hes having a grand old time

[drowsy saddle]

Would he have a pimp-boy 3 million? Or maybe the overseer skin where its wood furniture

[fast dew]

Mm, wood texture.

[loud oriole]

its not just wood.. it's

https://tenor.com/view/mahogany-dragon-ball-z-dbz-king-yemma-dbz-yemma-gif-16798894437069253440

[fast dew]

I think he'd like ebony over mahogany, though that entirely depends on what the whole. Wooden stuff in the labs are made from

[strange turtle]

He’d have it, then completely modify the internals and replace the casing with his own design

With some random impractical feature for aesthetics, like the snake chair

[fast dew]

Good lord

That stupid ass chair

[dark compass]

The snake chair???

[fast dew]

The. Hold on

Stupid ass chair

[pale cedar]

It’s unique

[fast dew]

Its special

[pale cedar]

I can guarantee he’s never actually sat on it though

[fast dew]

He absolutely wouldve

He sat on it once and destroyed it

[pale cedar]

Nah he fell into it while trying to sit down and it broke

[fast dew]

Mm. The chair does look a lot like duviri stuff

[loud oriole]

bouncy chair

[dark compass]

It's for an emergency food supply

You hide snacks under the seat

[loud oriole]

least it has a cup holder, though it's basically on the ground

[fast dew]

But how will one tuck their legs under the chair?

[pale cedar]

That’s how you get your snacks stolen by animals

[strange turtle]

Considering the animals in question I don’t think there’s many places you could hide them to avoid it anyway

Might as well leave them out

[ocean geyser]

Wonder why no trumna prime in old peace

Either DE thought it’d be too stronk or the Entrati’s gear wasn’t primed yet

Which would make sense considering im pretty sure the Orokin kind of thought the Entrati were weird
I think that was a mutual feeling even

[jolly quarry]

Hey, what is Wukongs lore? Or does he just kinda exist?

[ocean geyser]

He monke
We would have had lore from his prime trailer but he may have came out before the Ballas narrations started

[jolly quarry]

dang

[ocean geyser]

Considering there’s a significant lack of Ballas yapping in his trailer

[pale cedar]

First Prime trailer was 2016-17 and Wukong Prime came out 2019 so it’s not that they didn’t start narrated trailers yet it’s that they didn’t create a narrated monkey king trailer

[tall echo]

Unlikely

[ocean geyser]

Mann

[tall echo]

Co.?

[ocean geyser]

I don’t trust this image

[ocean geyser]

On occasion

Ay ngl man that might be AI

Oh wait the handle

Yeah that’s literally an AI account bro

[tall echo]

Yea

[distant obsidian]

is not Warframe related, I just want to see something like this destroying an army

[ocean geyser]

Not the point

That’s an Ai image
Against the rules gang

[tall echo]

Better delete or we call the cops(mods)

AI is blanket forbidden

[loud oriole]

my wukong lore is ballas really like Journey to the West and decided to make a frame based on the Sun Wukong

[crimson bobcat]

is there reazon why scaldra has those wierd green explosive bags on them?

[silk atlas]

Same reason you carry around a gas tank for a flamethrower. That's Effervon

[worn ravine]

Are there other primes aside from Uriel directly mentioned by characters?

[pale cedar]

Ballas each Prime trailer

[normal mountain]

Inaros Prime gets a callout
If you walk up to Baro as Inaros Prime

[tall echo]

Efervon bags

Their armor is covered by a layer of efervon bags as a very poorly thought out safety measure

[crimson bobcat]

i higly dobught this becose even units that do not have flame tower have them even melle units

[crimson bobcat]

oh thx

[tall echo]

All their weapons use efervon

[crimson bobcat]

really? hmm intresting

[crimson bobcat]

oh ye

[tall echo]

It's kinda a "well duh" thing

Efervon is how they combat techrot of course their weapons use it

[crimson bobcat]

ahh thx

[tall echo]

-# it's also how they kill civilians to make space for loyalists

[pale cedar]

Who’s gonna tell them their civilian purges solve nothing?

[tall echo]

It solves their housing issues

And also saves the leadership money

Bc we kill so many scaldra

[strange turtle]

Also the armour

[pale cedar]

That Effervon mask cannot be healthy

[ocean geyser]

Effervon helmet that the melee units have bro

[strange turtle]

Civilians? You must be mistaken. Those were violent radicals and extremists who were supporting the dastardly terrorist cell The Hex

[tall echo]

Since we know what they look like under the helmets from concept art, yes, it is not

[ocean geyser]

Didn’t know that existed
How do they look?

[tall echo]

I don't have the art ready but they essentially look like they're covered in chemical burns

[amber sleet]

Rusalka pretty outright states that the effervon gas is toxic

[fast dew]

Mhm. In isleweaver, from memory

I wonder if shadowgrapher will have an operation. ....

[tall echo]

Notably that it burns away the techrot! Efervon is straight up just an acid!

[tall echo]

Probably

[heavy idol]

Wait I’m doing 1999 rn

And if I didn’t choose the drifter how would I have reset it

Cause the operator don’t got that time loop power

[strange plinth]

you don't choose drifter, drifter is forced for The Hex

[heavy idol]

Gotcha

[silk atlas]

That was the point of Lotus Eaters

[long quiver]

is there a lore reason for why the stalker still attacks you after jade shadows, is it just like a test or something

[tall echo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[strange plinth]

you did him a favor, but that doesn't mean he's 100% forgiven you

[long quiver]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

saved his damn kid

[strange plinth]

• we say that we're helping "for [Jade]" not for him

[tall echo]

┬─┬ノ( º _ ºノ)

[tall echo]

That was him

All the operator did was help jade give birth

[fast dew]

Have we ever realised that it was a child helping her give birth 😭

Like. Poor operator

[tall echo]

Many times

[heavy idol]

How does that even work?

Also I’m still not clear on this, isn’t stalker himself a warframe or nah? Is he a sentient or what

And I just got soft locked in 1999, great…

[strange plinth]

mhm
and if you fail the rhythm minigame, operator screams too
which kinda just reinforces what we knew from duviri

[tall echo]

He's a frame

[strange plinth]

warframe, similar to umbra, just that the sapience wasn't forced

well, probably wasn't
no info either direction

[tall echo]

It was

[heavy idol]

What is it we know again? 😭

[strange plinth]

operator/drifter feels what the frame does, possibly dampened

[heavy idol]

I thought that requires transference tho?

[strange plinth]

yea?

[silk atlas]

This is still ignoring the fact you completely destroyed his way of life and any possibility (however stupidly thin, knowing how the Orokin operate and the lack of anything that mentions reversing the Infestation at such a severe state) of him getting back to normal with his wife. At best, you're even with him.

[fast dew]

Horrifying. Delightfully horrifying.

[fast dew]

Transference, how else?

[heavy idol]

Sorry, I meant how did they even conceive a child in the first place

[fast dew]

Oh.

[strange plinth]

child was before they were frames

[fast dew]

She was yoinked while pregnant

[heavy idol]

🥀

[heavy idol]

Ohhhh

It all makes sense now, idk why I didn’t think of that

[fast dew]

Ballas essentially tortured a woman for at least a thousand years

[strange plinth]

wonder if she would care that she outlived him

[fast dew]

She seemed too benevolent to care, i feel

[heavy idol]

Probably too tired as wel

[fast dew]

She's one of those characters that I feel has no ill will to anyone. Too much empathy

[strange plinth]

yea that sounds right
better things to care about

[fast dew]

She just wants to talk to her child, while. Sleeping?

Also did we know what happened to her operator? The kid she put to sleep?

[strange plinth]

not mentioned again after that, afaik

[fast dew]

Also was it like. She killed the operator or like. What happened 😭

[strange turtle]

Nah

[strange plinth]

-# "With my mind, I embrace her. I sing her the old songs of Cathal-Rah and the riddle-verses of Lyrim of Haq. I tell her the winding, meandering story of Lankity Hopkin. I am a thing all clouds and feathers. I rock her to sleep.
-# And so I go to war, and none suspect. I am as much the warrior as I ever was. With bow and scythe, I fight for the people I despise against a foe that deserves their victory. Because I know the reckoning will come."
i'd say she does as she says there tbh

[strange turtle]

They didn’t know she was the one in control, and they’d almost definitely have something to keep track of the Operator status even aside from the somatics/transference tech they had hooked up, so they’d know if one of the Operators straight up died

[fast dew]

Mm, interesting

[ocean geyser]

Double honk shoo

[fast dew]

Must've been a phenomenal sleep

[ocean geyser]

Explains why we straight up fell over when we got out of our pod
Sleep so phenomenal (and lengthy) that our tiny little kid legs r too weak

[fast dew]

This might just be muscular atrophy😭

[ocean geyser]

Yeah fair 😭

[restive river]

We were in there for at least a thousand years, the price of cryo is wobbly legs for a bit ig lol

[fast dew]

The sleep be hitting a lil too hard

[ocean geyser]

We actually got over it really quickly
Then again we were kind of carried the whole way

Then sat in big chair

[fast dew]

Oh maybe we had really bad pins and needles

[ocean geyser]

Probably

[fast dew]

I get them super bad and my whole legs just refuse to work

I can barely feel the floor

[strange turtle]

Could also just be messed up balance and
All the other senses

[ocean geyser]

Probably just a bit of everything

[strange turtle]

Since we’re (mostly) in big, grown-ass men and womens bodies for probably years on end

Or a mix, yeah

[fast dew]

All of the above

[strange turtle]

Good god imagine the hell that’d be for your mind

[tall echo]

From personal experience, a good long sleep can turn off the entire sense of balance

Think operators experienced dysmorphia/dysphoria during the second dream?

[ocean geyser]

Agree

I’ve slept really long once and my arms were all funky

[tall echo]

Or after

[ocean geyser]

I used to lose balance a lot when i was younger too

[strange turtle]

Miracle we’d even get through the whole thing with like 7 different sources all hitting at once

[fast dew]

I don't really get good sleep, and when I do its because of my meds and those. Those meds are horrible 😭

[tall echo]

I slept really long once and when I tried to get up I just flopped to the ground

[ocean geyser]

Splat

[fast dew]

They make me just. Unable to move

Can't even raise my head 💔

[tall echo]

I'm old!

[fast dew]

Which. Speaking of those meds, I need to get a blood test again. Time to delude myself into thinking that the nurse is Albrecht Entrati

-# Again

[tall echo]

What if female nurse

[fast dew]

Eyes closed

[tall echo]

Fair

[fast dew]

I get all gross and teary eyed during blood tests, its horrible

[tall echo]

I hate blood tests bc my vessels are very good at hiding, there's 1 in 100 ppl who can actually find them before I explode from stress

[fast dew]

I have good veins, but im really flinchy and have hurt people trying to do an IV

[strange turtle]

Pre-continuity Albrech Entrati

[fast dew]

Bluebrecht or smthn...

[wintry glacier]

what is marie up to?

[tall echo]

Exorcism

[wintry glacier]

or surgery on roathe to put furniture in him

[cosmic badge]

Why not both

[fast dew]

Shes gonna shove a chair down Roathe's throat

Albrecht having necramites that copy chairs makes a lot of sense

[tall echo]

Here comes marie with a steel chair!

[fast dew]

Hehe

[eager briar]

So if I am correct, the timeline goes zariman then old war part one then the old peace then the big sleep and old war part two electric boogaloo 1,000 or so years later main game takes place

[gentle isle]

I'm not actually sure when exactly the zariman events take place

[eager briar]

Old war pt 1 and zariman at least happened in tandem

[gentle isle]

I think because the void is just weird like that, the zariman does the void jump before the old war begins, and then pops back out a while after it started

[eager briar]

Do we know how long the ship was gone?

[gentle isle]

No but i think it was considered lost for a while after the jump

Until it came back

So probably quite a while

[tall echo]

yes

[restive river]

Long enough that the war started up and the time of the gen1 frames had passed

[eager briar]

Would the brother mentioned by the drifter be a fellow Tenno running around the universe?

[tall echo]

Personal canon thing

[restive river]

They’re also dead

[eager briar]

Theoretically back when the queens had the scepter since maroos bazaar is orbiting Mars and variza is a Dax could the queens not force her to give them prime frames and use the ascaris that they have on said frames? It would be super easy for the frames to be controlled if they don’t have an operator fighting back.

[strange plinth]

if they were aware of her and had the regal aya to extract a prime from, maybe

[dark compass]

HAHA

Queens are BROKE

Can't afford a single Prime Access

[gentle isle]

Maroos bazaar is technically tenno territory so unless they felt like having dozens of tenno storming the fortress then they wouldn't dare

We'd be giving the queens flashbacks to the night of the naga drums lmao

[brittle siren]

I mean the only thing they do is stealing other ppl stuff

At least Corpus steal with their own money system

[dark compass]

Worm Queen probably has like 3 plat on her account

[drowsy saddle]

Wrym queen has the 100% voucher, gun

[fast dew]

Wyrm queen... the lesser wyrm queen..

Mm. Quiet lore chat today

Uhhh. Hm. Uhm. Uhh. Chat what way would Loid prefer to do weed nestawood

Gotta keep this chat engaging or whatever

[drowsy saddle]

Hookah

My evidence

[fast dew]

Real and fair

Hey that does kinda look like a bit of glassware my mate had

Shit was iridescent

[brittle siren]

tbh we need more lore about ayatan sculpture

we only see 1 as a projector, one for camera and some in Albrecht Lab

[fast dew]

Albrecht might just like collecting them - much like how we do

[brittle siren]

I forgot that they can fly too

so they are just like a video player

[drowsy saddle]

at this point Ayatans are basically just laptops

[brittle siren]

worse than laptop though, since they need "aya" stuff to function

[restive river]

So the computers need
memory?

[fast dew]

Oh thats funny as shit

[restive river]

brb gotta download some more aya

[fast dew]

Reckon Albrecht got a POM-2 hella virus'd in 1999 from something like that? I feel like he would
-# I apologise for bringing Albrecht up

[restive river]

I’m not sure he’s dumb enough to do that

I wanna say that scam didn’t become popular till the 2000s too but no idea :p

[fast dew]

I should ask my sister, shed know

Wait the

The locked POM-2s have like. The unlock sequence, isnt that. Like. Something to do with a virus???

Guess I'll run a exterminate mission again

[dark compass]

It's called technocyte

Duh

[fast dew]

Mm, Maybe?

My game is taking yoinks to ... "initialise"

[brittle siren]

I mean Ayatan does not have keyboards and stuff, they just like normal projector

If anything they are like fancy ipod

[restive river]

My joke is computers need memory lol

Aya is memory

[fast dew]

Mm. So the thing i was talking about was. "corruption"

[pale cedar]

Suda should’ve bought more memory tbh

[north jolt]

Oh no, imagine that memory shortage

[fast dew]

Wasn't she the one with like. Dementia 😭

[pale cedar]

Don't think an exact condition is mentioned

Just some form of memory loss

[azure jasper]

You'd think the Orokin would have solved that problem by then, but Suda probably wasn't high ranking enough for those solutions.

[woven coyote]

Their solution was probably continuity into a healthy body

[sharp breach]

https://youtu.be/mnUwHjMWVMg?si=tuV_L546abTtUUNf

So is the red baro a alternate, the indifference, or the original baro or what? The video was very interesting didnt know he had so much impact and I never considered different console and pc were different dimension frames lol

[eager briar]

It’s drifto ki’teer

[waxen mesa]

so what did happen to Cy?

why was he made to kill the crew

[silk atlas]

He couldn't complete the mission otherwise, so he was forced to choose when he wanted to do both

[silk atlas]

The original Baro was stuck in the Void during Halloween Baro's visit and had no clue what happened which is explained right in the segment right after the intro in the video you posted. The deal he made makes it sound like there's only one Baro across all realities, though I wouldn't go saying he "had so much impact" since it was mostly just a tongue-in-cheek way to explain crossplay and the impact of it to us is pretty minimal.

[pale cedar]

1 Baro
1 Wally in a costume

[fast dew]

A theory im partial to is wally wordplay, again. Much like how drifter got screwed by wording, i wouldn't be surprised if the same thing happened here. We dont know the exact details, but its kinda like

All baros, getting fused into one baro, but that baro not being our baro, yk?

I really don't think spooky baro is wally

[pale cedar]

Or it is just as simple as Wally wearing Baro’s suit for a time like how Wally does the same to us

[fast dew]

Wally is obnoxiously obvious when its him

No, i really dont think it is

I dont see what wally would get from warning us of him, and reciting requiem poems

[drowsy saddle]

Wally doesn't grasp facial animations yet

[pale cedar]

I hear people saying Wally is trapped in the Void so it couldn't have been him but it literally can as Wally is known for piggybacking off of others to enter places

[silk atlas]

It most certainly can be Wally, yeah

[fast dew]

Piggybacking how? Baro himself was still trapped in the void while it happened

[silk atlas]

The Tenno.

[pale cedar]

Trapoed in the Void

[silk atlas]

Wally can transform into people who aren't there, like when he turned into Loid in The Hex to screw with Albrecht.

[fast dew]

I just don't think its him! Its so wildly not like him to act the way spooky baro does!

[pale cedar]

Plus he looked like Baro before Baro shook his hand

Precedent is already set

[fast dew]

Wally's whole thing is being obvious about it, only exception being like. That one time in the ARG, but even then, that line still said something weird that suggested it

[fast dew]

I mean, if wally took the appearance of spooky baro, why does baro not recognise it?

[pale cedar]

He was being obvious about it tbh

[fast dew]

.. how

Genuinely how??

[humble sierra]

From memory, SpookyBaro kinda seemed afraid and traumatized and tried warning the tenno

[fast dew]

No wally indicators weren't there, except maybe his eyes because we don't see it

[pale cedar]

He was mocking Baro and Albrecht

[fast dew]

EXACTLY.

[silk atlas]

Him speaking backwards, constantly yapping about dust and talking about Requiems isn't ringing bells that something is screwy?

[fast dew]

Why would wally try to warn us??

[humble sierra]

It's void stuff, it reminds me of Sythel

[fast dew]

Wally doesnt recite the poem, that's an Albrecht thing. Its specifically the poem, not the void tongue words

[silk atlas]

How would he even know about the poem, actually

[fast dew]

Dust couldn't mean much, mentioning the wall of bone or whatever would be in the same category

[humble sierra]

He's just feeling ripples or something

[fast dew]

From memory it was Xata and. Mm. I think khra that was recited backwards?

[pale cedar]

He assaulted the home with the poem

[fast dew]

Not wally, he said void tongue words, but its not the requiem poem Albrecht wrote, was it?

[humble sierra]

Yeah regular Baro dives into the Void often (but presumably just the safety of the towers and still with proper precaution, so he likely just needs to deal with the Corrupted)

[pale cedar]

Baro wouldn't know Voidtounge

So it being Wally is more likely

[humble sierra]

Why would Wally sell stuff though

[pale cedar]

Trick or treat heavy emphasis in Trick

[fast dew]

Its heralds are the stars it fells, the sky and earth aflame. - xata

To cosmic forms from tangent planes, we end as we began - khra

Hey I was right lmao

[fast dew]

He's not saying voidtongue though, he's saying the poem

[silk atlas]

Given he rides off people who deal around with Void stuff, could be a way to spread influence further.

[pale cedar]

And we know it wasn't Baro

Baro says it wasn't him

[silk atlas]

Like, we already know it can't be our Baro because Baro literally told us that and if it's not Wally then DE pulled a real fast one lmao

[dark compass]

He also said I have a shit taste

[waxen mesa]

We just need one more to find out Baro's requiem sequence. then his stock room is ours

[dark compass]

He is obviously lying /s

[humble sierra]

Would Wally make himself seem so... pathetic, though?

[fast dew]

No clue why any baro would know of the poem, but given its listed on the requiem mods I assume that its written elsewhere

[waxen mesa]

Maybe Halloween Baro was like....Baro's Drifter....

[humble sierra]

Definitely not our Baro because when our Baro returned he apologized for his month-long absence as he was stuck in the void

[pale cedar]

It being Wally at this point is the more likely scenario because we know it wasn't Baro

[fast dew]

Thats the most out of character part, wally is never pathetic or minimal

[dark compass]

Maybe Albrecht was just on one of Baro's parties

[pale cedar]

It can't be because Baro said he has no Drifters

He had them all killed

[waxen mesa]

Operator would have said the same thing

[humble sierra]

Eh they could change that lore

[fast dew]

Why is wally referring to himself in 3rd person then, if it is him? 😭

[humble sierra]

There's nothing new players can really see to learn that info

[waxen mesa]

Operator didn't know Drifter existed. Baro didn't know Barifter existed

[fast dew]

Unless its about the void???

[pale cedar]

He always talks weirdly see I can save them not save all of you

[fast dew]

God. God i hate wally. Confusing bastard

[silk atlas]

Because we didn't know it wasn't Baro until after the real Baro told us about the situation. We just need to start from "It's not Baro"

[waxen mesa]

watch halloween baro be essentially non-canon and we just never get an answer

[fast dew]

Its still coherent, and understandable?

[humble sierra]

Yeah that's just tricky wording, not a speech thingy

[pale cedar]

It's not normal wording when saving everyone

[silk atlas]

And there's no other people the spooky Baro could be given the circumstances.

[fast dew]

I think its just another part of wally word play, again

[dark compass]

That's my expectation as well

[pale cedar]

Them in Operators case is weird wording

[dark compass]

Though if they make him return again

Then maybe it'll warrant lore

[fast dew]

Its word play, not weird wording, not going "oh yeah there's this great nothingness thats watching me" while being said great nothingness thats watching

Wally doesn't refer to himself in 3rd person, does he?

[pale cedar]

Wordplay sure but still not normal wording as to be expected from a Void entity

[humble sierra]

There Can Be Only One
Are you familiar with the philosophy of Eternalism? The notion that all possible permutations of the present moment are real?
I never had much time for it. The distasteful notion that there could be multiple Baro Ki'Teers! Can you imagine? Yours is truly one of a kind.
As it happens, during my last foray into the Void, a dashing stranger presented me with the opportunity to refine all my selves into a single perfect individual. Of course, I shook hands on the deal immediately.
Now every Tenno will visit the same Baro Ki'Teer, with the same items, at the same time.
As this singularity comes into focus, you will notice my offerings remain the same for my next three visits. A minor inconvenience.
I am certain there will be no future unforeseen consequences from this momentous deal.
Singularly yours, Baro Ki'Teer

While this message is very explicitly saying there's only one, I feel like this could be changed. This is old lore that isn't in-game, new players won't be aware of unless they are told / look it up. DE's changed stuff recently, like the KIM chats that call Nihil an Executor and the stuff about 1899. They could change this, but let's assume it's still correct.

There could be some of Wally's wordplay here. "A single perfect individual"-- could this not still allow for other imperfect individuals to exist too?

[silk atlas]

Actually going back on the pathetic part, it does seem like he loves screwing with showing other people as weak and hapless to the people they would have a connection to.

[humble sierra]

That's not him being him, though, that's him being Loid

To mock Albrecht

[fast dew]

"Refine all my selves into a single perfect individual", if that was Wally's wording, that absolutely could allow for wally to make all of them into one, not necessarily being baro himself

[humble sierra]

He's not really 'pretending' to be Loid to Albrecht there, Albrecht is aware that it's MITW, it's just pure mockery of their relationship

[fast dew]

Yeah, but listen to them, they are wildly different, tone-wise

Reading the transcript and seeing "ngh" makes me want to just explode

Inline with Loid's VA actually

[humble sierra]

Tone wise, SpookyBaro reminds me a lot of Sythel, and/or someone who's given up, kinda like how Eleanor felt hollow after she entered her mind into the Void

[fast dew]

Ive heard those audiobooks

[fast dew]

Yeah! Thats what I feel. He acts like they've been tormented by wally, like Sythel

God randomly remembered that one time a person refused to accept that duviri was CE'd by a myriad of emotions, but predominantly fear of what was happening. Because. "Sythel would be ruling, not thrax"??????

[silk atlas]

That's a new one

[fast dew]

Yeah it. Certainly was

Ive had some weird ass arguments

Ive just seen some weird misunderstandings in general, regarding warframe

[waxen mesa]

weirdest take i've heard will always be the guy who claimed Wally wasn't a villain

[fast dew]

Theres multiple of those

Best way to shut them up is explaining how he acts like a predator and uses their tactics. Oh and that he tormented a autistic boy for thousands of years. Wow. Such... innocent behaviour..

[long quiver]

"wally isn't a villain" bro just played chains of harrow with eyes closed and the game muted

😭

[fast dew]

"But but but- but he got his fingers cut off!! He's a victim !!" man if i could justify being a horrible person because someone hurt me, id be literally the worst person in the world. But! I choose not to. Same goes for wally. Its his choice to do that shit, no one's forcing him to do the shit he does

[drowsy saddle]

Wally is literally the worst aspects of people

If he doesn't come off as a villain, i think you might have to reconsider your value

[fast dew]

Watch out, someone will say that because wally is this bad, Albrecht is!
-# I do not trust the fanbase at all.

[drowsy saddle]

Reading comprehension is a difficult thing

Also isn't the joke that statistically 1/3rd of Americans are functionally illiterate

[fast dew]

Mm. Not surprising.

[long quiver]

seeing the joy die in amir when i tell him that there are no aliens in warframe reminds me of when i found out there are no aliens 😭

[fast dew]

There are! Just. Flowers.

The aliens are flowers 😭

[drowsy saddle]

Much like how the first aliens we'll encounter is bacteria

[dark compass]

I am an alien

[long quiver]

oh yeah the tau stuff right

[fast dew]

I too, am non-human

[drowsy saddle]

Like i swore i read an article about Americans being unable to grasp context and subtext from reading

[fast dew]

I am the embodiment of hatred and anger and you shall fear me rarrrhh

[fast dew]

Yeah no that makes. A lot of sense, given the interactions ive had here. Some have been. Whew. Horrible

[wanton mauve]

Are there canonically other tenno around still? Harrows kid is gone now, and drifter is a special case, but is it just our Operator remaining or is Lotus managing a whole bunch of kids simultaneously?

[drowsy saddle]

fairly sure its implied that the active daily playerbase is the amount of Tenno currently running around

[fast dew]

Yea, theres tenno running about. Was it Defence or survival missions that have the tenno operative?

[wanton mauve]

Correct me if Im wrong but that is referring to Tenno as a 'faction', such as the people we rescue in rescue missions. They arent tenno in that they are superpower kids, just agents in our allied network?

[dark compass]

I'm the nicest person ever

I am the embodiment of love and care

And you shall uhhh fix your sleep schedule

Raaarrrhhh

[silk atlas]

There are just normal guys yeah

[sick scarab]

(if anyone's wondering where my message went, I moved it to #spoiler-chat since I realized that was a better channel for that chat)

[pale cedar]

You got the Tenno children then the Tenno Operatives

[rotund swallow]

I just completed the 'War Within" is this straight up like a"Evil" path?

And does it affect gameplay in any way or only the story

[ashen pulsar]

no, and no

[silk atlas]

https://www.warframe.com/news/litany-of-the-dax

[tall echo]

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

[rotund swallow]

Straight up fire writing

[sharp breach]

https://youtube.com/shorts/mkCa5SeLwus?si=CDO0b0NFDOwcdhwz

What do yall know about the unnum. I swear I never considered that konzu was basically saying by the goddess

Also i low key forgot about that quest it was so long ago

[fast dew]

There are no gods in warframe, deities though. Those are real. And the Unum is one

[long quiver]

Someone clarify this for me, the rank 4 hex story quest has you saving the hex and the reactor doesn't blow... So what is actually happening in that year? It actually went to 2000 and just looped back?? Am I dumb or what 😭

[silk atlas]

Yes they mentioned already it was a time loop. It exploded and you failed, then it looped back and you bonded with The Hex better to make it not explode

[long quiver]

So the loop is still going on to keep the indifference there right?

[silk atlas]

No, it's just not something that's easily undone and now it's yet another problem tacked on that the protag has to deal with.

The loop was to keep Wally out and buy time to come up with a better way to get rid of him

[swift sentinel]

The loop was doing its job until Wally got in through its deal with Rusalka, much like how it got into Duviri through Mathilda later

[north jolt]

Technically we don't actually know what this system does in the long run, but thinking of it as "good/evil" might be too simplistic

[silk atlas]

The system will do nothing, it's a vestige from older times, and we have been given a description of how Sun/Moon works in the terms of the philosophy

[normal mountain]

It is too simplistic
And it's also not good/evil
It's more impulsive/thoughtful

[strange turtle]

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

This got sent in the inbox by Teshin or posted on the forums IIRC

[tall echo]

Forums

Also,

[strange turtle]

Oh wait its that post

I just assumed there was a new one because of the new people replying 😭

[ashen pulsar]

both can have positive or negative options

impulsive can end up being aggressive/irrational, thoughtful can end up being cold and calculated

[silk atlas]

Or waiting too long to do anything

[ashen pulsar]

idk if there were lines like that

[normal mountain]

Exactly
As opposed to one being pure positive and the other pure negative

They both have potential for either outcome

[ashen pulsar]

a truly smart person knows when to be quick or when to think about things.

but I always just pick neutral

its usually the most reasonable

[normal mountain]

I don't always
But I try to make sure my choices balance in the end

Usually though
I choose neutral

[long quiver]

i think i'm balanced lol. usually i chose the thoughtful choice, idr the specific times when i chose emotional. are you able to see that somewhere?

[normal mountain]

You're able to see the dial, but not the individual choices you've made

[long quiver]

correct me if i'm wrong, but netracells are you raiding albrechts stuff, and deep archimedea is you preserving his experiments?

just based on what i hear from tagfer and necraloid during the missions

[fast dew]

Yuppers

Netracells are Albrecht's possessions, ones he holds dear (Albrecht has a copy of his Daughter's book im gonna explode)

Deep Archimedia is you defending and doing those experiments

Though. This man also has a fire extinguisher in his netracells

[strange plinth]

particularly fond of a fire extinguisher

[twin wigeon]

he does?

theres fire extuinguishers?

[fast dew]

Mhm, right next to the vagabond's mask

So the joke is that he smashed the fire extinguisher over the Vagabond's head while in duviri

[pearl jay]

Would this be the right place to discuss the deaths of the hex? More specifically what killed amir in the first ending?

[brittle siren]

Albrecht shot him

[dark compass]

With a lex

He didn't even sheldgate, smh

[brittle siren]

Lex Prime

That Lex Prime is even more powerful than Incarnon

[dark compass]

Oh maybe he just modded toxin on it

That also works

[pearl jay]

Huh, ok.

[normal mountain]

Primed Pathogen Rounds + Primed Expel Warframes

[twin wigeon]

its a good thing alb shot amir

he'dve likely have died from a heart attack

[normal mountain]

Heart attack?
No, his heart would have exploded

although Al shot him in the chest, right?

probably had the same end result

[fast dew]

It looks like it wouldve pierced the lung tbh

[brittle siren]

belly iirc

[fast dew]

Mm, lung. Diaphragm. Liver. Upper body organs

[rigid brook]

alb got a fire hat.

what was rell doing

[drowsy saddle]

Probably even got it incarnon'ed

[wintry glacier]

which one do i choose? last time, i chose to confess feelings the first time it showed up and it only led to romance not being an option

[pearl jay]

I chose the first one.

I believe later you talk about entrati and then you can confess.

[wintry glacier]

ive had to reset their memories 3 times, i dont wanna do it a 4th

so im being extra cautious and disreguarding spoilers

[pearl jay]

Wait, Marie is refusing to help you reunite loid and the family? I believe you might've f'ed up.

[wintry glacier]

idk, that could be a seperate thing from romacing

[pearl jay]

Idk, but I think it affects the romance.

Then again, that didn't happen to me so idk.

[sour crown]

hmm

Not quite sure but, i would assume that u proceed the chat

next day

and see where it leads.

[wintry glacier]

w google

[strange plinth]

could just go look through the flowcharts on kimulacrum

[fast dew]

Or just use the simulacrum part of kimulacrum

[south sun]

It's just ripping from Reddit and isn't fully accurate.

AI Answers are just slop.

[restive river]

AI is also notably bad when it comes to Warframe lol

[midnight ice]

because warframe updates so fast and has such ridiculously complex mechanics its very quick to get old, unreliable, or straight up myth info

[restive river]

True yeah, the prediction model can’t keep up lol

[fast dew]

I wonder if it'll still have old information about necramites and their old damage attenuation n shit

[low girder]

So roathe said he traveled to the pass via a helminth. I thought they could only consume warframes to enable other warframes to have their abilities? Is this the first mention of a helminth somehow possessing the power of time travel?

[fast dew]

Remember when we came in, at the start of the hex?

[drowsy saddle]

nop. look where you spawn when you enter the mall

[fast dew]

Big ol mouth

[drowsy saddle]

Hexminth looks cooler than his descendant (anscestor?)

[fast dew]

Helminth in 1999 is probably a tad bit more aggressive looking because..

Maybe it has a lil techrot?

[drowsy saddle]

its a big fan of grunge

blur 2 type shi

[fast dew]

Mm, Albrecht would be disappointed

Boyband loving queer

[topaz pawn]

I'm a little upset about that because 1999 has literally all the grunge vibes but no grunge music

and I'm equally upset about lamenting the days not being available from aoi but it's a login track so that's at least a little justified

[twin wigeon]

are the scaldra demolishers(?) grunge fans?

[drowsy saddle]

THROUGH THE EYES

[strange plinth]

apparently lamenting the days isn't available due to some licensing issues, else aoi probably would sell it

[topaz pawn]

sadge

oh well

from the stars is good too

[fast dew]

Ive always liked the lack of it, yk? Folk think of the late 90s as this huge grunge scene, but there was an equally, if not more commercially popular, pop scene

[azure jasper]

Indeed. The grunge scene was definitely on the periphery, but the 90s was dominated by bubblegum pop.

[fast dew]

And we could see Flare's band as an example of how the music taste was widely changing, its all very interesting stuff

[fast nest]

Did all the tenno have their own unique frames? Like was excal ours specifically? Cuz we use him in the old peace and warframe lore refers to them as if they are the warframe, are an individual and not like a mass produced "tool"

[drowsy saddle]

Nop, especially considering roathe states that his entire battalion got turned into Uriels

[dark compass]

They were mass produced. Nah.

Temple's case specifically stated that it was refused mass production

And Roathe's words about Uriel confirm that there were plenty of them

Pretty much 99% of frames are mass produced, I assume

[fast nest]

Its weird their lore refers to them as a single individual then instead of a group or something, i guess their just taken the best known story of a frame and that's told to us

[drowsy saddle]

Well they all had a template to start with

[dark compass]

^

[drowsy saddle]

Every warframe used to be someone

[dark compass]

Someone had to be the first

Like how Yareli was that one annoying yuvan

[fast nest]

Well yeah but I'm asking if replicating them was something that really only happened in this current era

[dark compass]

Nope, it was a mass produced thing already

All it took is a vial of this mass produced stuff

And it spreads like a disease, turning you into a warframe

Replication is done via Helminth, afaik

It's the whole "our ship is actually maintained by this mass of infested flesh" twist

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder how much of the Orbiter is helminth

[fast nest]

Also in lore are we a single tenno? Or are there multiple tenno active?

[dark compass]

Multiple

That's how coop is a thing

We are just the "chosen"

Who does all the story and goes through all the stuff

[onyx dew]

Multiple

Think of Rell

[fast dew]

Multiple tenno - children, but only one chosen operator, and the drifter

[onyx dew]

Isn't the drifter part of the Tenno

[azure jasper]

I suspect some frames were assigned based on rank. Like, high ranking Tenno got Primes, and really high ranking ones got Excal Primes, but most rank and file Tenno got non prime frames.

[drowsy saddle]

Nop

The drifter is specifically not a tenno

[fast dew]

Drifter is specifically not a tenno. They didn’t go through the schooling of a tenno, they just got given powers by the whole. Shaking hands with operator

They didnt even have powers initially

[onyx dew]

I thought he was an early or alternate version without the powers

[onyx dew]

Oh, I see

Similar to what happened to the Tenno 🤔

[dark compass]

So who's the bottom tier frame

[azure jasper]

Drifter was the version of the Operator who got trapped in the Void by Wally instead of rescued

[idle fog]

you can add a new faction in warframe, make them speak dutch and no one would bat an eye

[fast nest]

Are the other tenno awakened or are still sleeping on lua just controlling frames?

[azure jasper]

Insert whichever Frame you like the least. Eternalism!

[strange plinth]

it was a danger for us to remain on lua, safe assumption they were woken up as well

[onyx dew]

Oh, I see

[onyx dew]

True

[strange plinth]

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
    A. *CORRUPT FILE DETECTED*
    B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[dark compass]

"I hate you eternalism types"

[fast nest]

Is there a new tenno school/base? Or are they all just vagabonds or something

[fast dew]

Wally word play hits again

Wally... wally.... wallllly....

[onyx dew]

Yeah, this is an option too

[azure jasper]

I think in universe that's what the Clan Dojos are.

[strange plinth]

the relays are considered under the tenno faction, and the dojos exist
but they, theoretically, have their own orbiters n such

[dark compass]

Wallace

[fast dew]

He just wants some cheeses....

[onyx dew]

Just wondering: Tenno got powers through a handshake with Wally, Drifter through a handshake with the Tenno. Both got in a lot of difficult situations. Coincidence or intended?

[strange plinth]

chroma
source: trust me

[fast dew]

Ember is pretty bad

[onyx dew]

I really like her... Excuse to her🥺

[fast dew]

I've only ever seen folk use the heirloom when I see them in pubs randomly

I only use her for fashionframing

[onyx dew]

I use the normal skin, I like it as her kit. It's fun to play I think

[azure jasper]

I'll use Ember in Circuit and Archimedia at times, but I can never see a reason to start chart her.

[idle fog]

I have a question
how long is the gap between 1999 up to Warframe present day

[azure jasper]

Yes.

[fast dew]

Over 10,000 years

[azure jasper]

Realistically? Long enough for the star charts to change, per Eleanor.

[fast dew]

Dont worry, your beloved hex died a long time before they got too far

:3

[idle fog]

I'm sure in one of the KIM message choices I recall the drifter saying a specific year or something

[onyx dew]

I like her in survival missions as she combines nuke, armor strip and tank

[strange turtle]

Over 11,000~, since there’s 1000~ after the 10,000~ said by by Albrecht

[azure jasper]

But yeah, we don't know exact numbers. A very long time, though.

[onyx dew]

Remember we slept at least 1000 years

[idle fog]

crazy how English still technically survived for that long

[fast dew]

A really long time

[onyx dew]

But that's the only number we know

[idle fog]

since the grineer and corpus spoke a variation of it

[fast dew]

German survived somehow

[onyx dew]

Who says it is all in English? Maybe the Tenno or Wally just translated it for us

[strange plinth]

no real linguistic drift between 1999 and current origin system is way funnier though

[fast dew]

What's funnier is that Marie types like a person would in our current day

Like a french person would

[idle fog]

grineer language is just some weird version of English designed to fit their rotting tongue or something

[fast nest]

I dislike how she has full sentences in French and there's no option to translate it

[fast dew]

...do you have a phone and a camera

[azure jasper]

Well, if the Orokin installed an autocracy after the Radiation Wars, one language staying stagnant isn't too far out there.

[fast nest]

I shouldn't have to translate it myself bro

[fast dew]

And? Thats what happens with a bilingual character

[strange plinth]

tbf most of marie's french (and lettie's spanish) share enough with english to figure out the gist

[idle fog]

canonically that implies Tenno didn't understand french

[fast dew]

Lettie does it too?

[midnight ice]

gosh can you imagine a uriel daycare
uriel shelter for lost uriels on the street

[fast nest]

And there's no option to ask what she's saying

[azure jasper]

Sometimes there is.

[fast dew]

99% of the time shes insulting someone.

[fast nest]

Lettie is annoying too but she has more English sentences than Marie

[fast dew]

Yea, like someone from [we think] 1899 would be like

[midnight ice]

my friend mentioned this! he said that the tenno would sound like old english to modern origin system inhabitants post-wake

[azure jasper]

Honestly? Given the alt history of Tenochitlan in the Origin System? I'm more insulted that it's Spanish that Lettie speaks, instead of some variant of Nahuatl.

[fast dew]

She lives and comes from Europe? From Spain?

[azure jasper]

Nope, she's Chicana.

[fast dew]

Where does that come from? This is the first time I have heard of it

[azure jasper]

She talks about coming from Tenochitlan City, and living in Libertatia for a time.

I'll see if I can find the Kim logs.

[onyx dew]

We have god-like powers but don't understand French... Poor French being bullied by everyone

[idle fog]

I swear Cervantes mission is just the Philippines

[midnight ice]

false. there's no constant heat damage being inflicted onto you

[drowsy saddle]

I remember people not understanding Quincy

He speaks English! You're American!

[fast nest]

He's british its impossible to understand them

[ocean geyser]

This man uses british AND jamaican slang

[strange plinth]

Q just uses some slang
and it isn't even hard to guess the meaning
half the time, drifter spells it out for you

[fast nest]

What's the deal with marie typing in French so much but lyon basically doesn't at all

[strange plinth]

they can only have one typing quirk each /s

[azure jasper]

"So, where's home for you?

Lettie: {P1} Tenochtitlan City, originally {P2} But we moved to Livertatia when I was young {P3} You wouldn't know where either place is {P4}Big sprawling place overseas from here"

Copypastaed from the wiki, typos and all.

[strange plinth]

no its probably more to do with their upbringing, as that extends to their actual speech too

[azure jasper]

The best harmonizatation I can think of is that maybe the Mexica people survived Cortes' little trip, but Spain still had a colony there for a time. They eventually gain independence but keep the Spanish language, but restore the old gods and other aspects of their culture.

So Nahuatl dies as a language but the other important parts of the culture survived.

[ashen pulsar]

they’re two different people

not all french people switch to french every few words

[drowsy saddle]

Well yeah, Marie is Parisian

The worst of the fr*nch

[golden raptor]

the way Valdur says "my brothers" makes me think he (or whoever the original Valdur is) might be where Kahl is cloned from.

[pale cedar]

No

Kahl is unrelated to Valdur

Outside of being Grineer

[lean garden]

I mean, Kahl was cloned from Kahl stock, so unless valdur's stock was renamed... it might just be a grineer thing

[pale cedar]

It's weird how people keep suggesting this when their names are nothing alike

[strange turtle]

Wait a minute
Didn’t the Kuria say something about the Grineer getting the whole “brothers” thing from the Twin Queens?

Like chisel to stone
War moulded the Twins
Who ravaged the hordes
Became legend to them

They had a deep strength
That came from each other
Unlike all these copies
Identical, but not brothers

The copies could see it
They yearned for it too
If the Twins could do it
Perhaps they could too

[midnight ice]

theyve been saying brothers since the old peace

iirc?

[azure jasper]

I think maybe the Queens hijacked the sense of brotherhood to become loyalty to them. Kahl saying "my brothers" would then mean he broke the shackles of the Queens and went back to the original sense of Grineer brotherhood.

[pale cedar]

Valdur saying brothers definitely shows it isn't a new development in modern Origin System

[ashen pulsar]

lmao

[azure jasper]

Exactly. I see it as an old tradition that was either removed or hijacked by the Twins, and Kahl's mutation removed that block and allowed him to have the "brothers" tradition again.

Which manifested when he saw the Queens held no loyalty to him, but his Brothers (including Vay Hek in a rare win for him) did.

[tall echo]

Kahl had no mutation, also all grineer have the brothers thing

[strong viper]

https://tenor.com/view/snake-gif-7644198

[acoustic shoal]

Why do Kuaka have spines? Are they venomous? Or did the Orokin engineer them to be tasty appetizers with their own little hors d'oeuvre toothpicks built in?

[tall echo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[acoustic shoal]

I'll have to ask in the devstream chat

[opaque zenith]

Doubt they can defend themselves by atacking with little legs, or by "running" via travel by jumping. Evolution needed to find a way, and being hard to eat was the chosen method. Probably, there's no lore about that, tho

[twin wigeon]

I love how paladino calls lotus the great sentient queen

And no one notices

[glacial bough]

I mean, we long know she's a Sentient by that point

[acoustic shoal]

in the absence of lore, i make my own.

The modern day Kuaka is the descendant of a species favored by Orokin for their delicate flavor and high birthrate.

Over time they were selectively bred and genetically engineered for fattier, juicier meat and, to make it easier to enjoy as a treat without getting greasy fingers, boney spines on their back to act as hors d'oeuvre toothpicks.

Never was there a gathering of the Orokin elite without trays of Kuaka tidbits served by Dax wearing little bowties and spats.

[opaque zenith]

Good enough.

I'd add that the current kuakas are either feral (like kubrows) or the "poor people versions" and the orokin ones had pure white skin and golden handles geneticaly engineering into them, because Orokin

[acoustic shoal]

Naturally

[fast dew]

This is delightfully funny, but alas, for dax would be improper to be at a gathering of orokin elite. Servants - like Loid, would be more likely. Remember, dax are warriors. Though one could reason grineer would be present

[glacial bough]

No, the Dax would be there, both serving and gaurding

Well, gaurding mostly

[opaque zenith]

There's some special servant the name I forgot, Yakusai or something

[acoustic shoal]

fair. I burnt out just before Jade Shadows came out, and ive been on recovery since, until about a couple months ago when i decided to start over qith a new account and experience everything all over again.

I just got done with The New War again a couple days ago, so i'm not all caught up on all the lore yet

[fast dew]

Outside maybe, certainly not serving, from what I gathered at least

[opaque zenith]

"'S weird. I barely remember the faces of the Seven. But that black-sash Yaskutai who served our mess table? Ha, every little bead of her sweat stands out like a diamond in my mind..." - Varzia

[fast dew]

Ah. Fair enough. I don't suppose you would know who loid is outside necraloid, would you? Jade shadows comes before whispers in the walls, i think?

[opaque zenith]

TLDR all that: Yaskutai

[glacial bough]

No, directly there. Dax were the main manservants and protection

[acoustic shoal]

now my mind has gone to Chippindale Dax Dancers

[glacial bough]

There wasn't anything against them being around, they were near required to be

[fast dew]

I was gonna wonder if Loid was one, but no I don't think he was. He wasn't a manservant at the start, it memory serves me right. He just took it on

[acoustic shoal]

Maybe chronologically, but in release order, i did the whole Deimos || secret laboratory || stuff

but that was before jade

[fast dew]

Ah, joy. Its been around a year now since I finished the main story, bar the new updates, so I cannot remember order for the life of me

I got more important things to retain [every single one of Albrecht's notes]

[opaque zenith]

Loid sounds like an average butler, contract or family of servants it's debatable but that's it

[fast dew]

He called himself a Archimedian assistant, iirc, which. Doesn't seem to scream manservant

[acoustic shoal]

Restarting from scratch has been a wonderful experience, getting to do all the things all over again and pick up on stuff that before i didnt have context for has been great.

[fast dew]

I think only ones outside the family, and grandmother for some reason, calls him a manservant/butler. From their outside perspectives, I suppose

[strange turtle]

Also Orokin were big on structured society so Dax being used as common servants, at least publicly, would probably be a big nono

[fast dew]

Loid predates Grandmother's joining of the family, so by the time of her joining them, his roles very well could've evolved into one of a manservant

[fast dew]

Mhm. Thats what im thinking. Orokin society must feel like everyone's out to get you. Probably because they were

[strange turtle]

Yeah.

"I was trained to assist Archimedians, not warriors or animals, but I shall do my best."

I think it’s just because of all the extra duties he took on for Albrecht

[fast dew]

Death just becomes less of a threat, but the wrath of the 7 becomes more pressing

[opaque zenith]

Tho it's a common trope that important/rich people butlers are not ordinary, (ie: Alfred, Lurch, Hayasaka)

Man, I type slow...

[fast dew]

I mean, outside killing folk, he was pretty regular, if not a father figure to Euleria

Second dad hours yk

[glacial bough]

Why would it be, that's their entire job.

[fast dew]

One of my favourite bits of continual loid characterisation is his penchant for being parental. He does it in the old peace, he does it for Euleria, he seemed to even mildly do it for Son, and presumably Daughter

[strange turtle]

…no?

They’re soldiers

[fast dew]

Dax are soldiers, they may be a lower caste, but they're soldiers

The only example of one serving as a servant would be the dax dagath was

Which was for a whole other purpose

[strange turtle]

And said purpose was a big nono

[fast dew]

Huge taboo

Maybe because dax can't consent against an orokin?

[glacial bough]

They're soldiers, guards, and general all round physical muscle as needed

[fast dew]

Or they just don't like castes mixing

Yes so why would they be in somewhere delicate and doing a job like waiting a group of orokin?

[acoustic shoal]

I still need to get a copy of the Warframe x Starfinder book.

I'm very curious as to how the Origin System is gonna react to the encroaching Veskarium and the threat of the undead from Eox

[fast dew]

Actually. There was a pretty big dude as a server at tennovip

[glacial bough]

The issue with Dagath was about fraternizing with someone lesser, not about how they used them

[fast dew]

But thats cus its Australia and thats normal

[glacial bough]

And even then, it was an open secret that no one really cared about

[fast dew]

What?

No, not at all. Maybe for Margulis?