lore-discussion

[glass sluice]

honestly same, although the speaking part was less voluntary

[fast dew]

So. I use her name, gomaitru over Euleria

[midnight ice]

"albrecht" is a doozy because of the triple vowels, neither my native language or the natives' language here does it a lot

[dawn shuttle]

How is that easier to pronounce lmao

[fast dew]

Nah i was just non-verbal lol

[midnight ice]

whenever i say it it just comes out as "albrekk" grineer style

[dawn shuttle]

Thats tuff

Can't wait for the Albrekk Graxx skin

[fast dew]

Im first nations, so my native language has similar sounds. "Uler" sounds, not so much

[dawn shuttle]

Fair enough

[glass sluice]

@fast dew sort of the same, but not exactly. dw its not worth going into.

[fast dew]

Ykwhat fair

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a German name, so it is just. Weird

Doesnt help that the characters ingame mispronounce it themselves

[glass sluice]

fun fact: "albrecht" means noble or bright.

[dawn shuttle]

Ain't no one else in the origin system called something like Albrecht, so can you blame them

[fast dew]

Albrecht just seems to be German randomly

[midnight ice]

type shit everyone else is called some shit like Nef Anyo or Parvos Granum or Ergo Glast or Bopp Bipp

[fast dew]

Good to know that the Germans lived through the 18~ radiation wars

[leaden tiger]

Maybe it's like the deterioration of language. It's been so long that pronunciation of the name just kinda went with it

[fast dew]

Possibly

[glass sluice]

uh oh, i went too deep into researching the origins of his name and i think i just found a spoiler

[fast dew]

His mother uses an explicitly German word to refer to him

[dawn shuttle]

inb4 he's just from our universe and entered the wf universe through the void

[fast dew]

Oh. That. What was it, Albrecht durer fella?

[midnight ice]

isnt that a woodblock cutter?

love his works

[fast dew]

Wait until you learn why Albrecht uses we end as we began so often

[idle fog]

Bopp Bipp sounds like the kuva lich reincarnation of Boyfriend from FNF

[fast dew]

-# it seems to be a reference to the ouroborus, a symbol used in alchemy a lot

[glass sluice]

Uh no, deeper. Base name for his is slightly different, and half of the base means "fae" or "fairy". You can probably see where that's going, and who his protoframe might be.

[fast dew]

OBERON????

[midnight ice]

ooh....

titania, surely

[glass sluice]

It is equivalent to the Old French Alberon or Auberon, from which the English Oberon is derived,[2] and is the source of the Norman French derivation Aubry.[3]

[fast dew]

Let Albrecht be a tiny fairy

[midnight ice]

Albrecht Big Naturals

[dawn shuttle]

They wouldn't make they gay man a fairy that's like way on the nose

[fast dew]

He is a big fairy already

[glass sluice]

So I am lore correct in calling him Aubry. SWEET

[fast dew]

HA.

[midnight ice]

Aubergine...

[dawn shuttle]

I win ha ha

[fast dew]

Calling gays fairies my beloved

[glass sluice]

the other half of his name can be "king" or "ruler". So yes, fairy king.
so loid is titania, or grandmother, my god.

[dawn shuttle]

They better not protoframe him i stg

[fast dew]

Why is grandmother involved lol

[midnight ice]

why grandma da bus driver

[fast dew]

She ain't Albrecht's ex-wife 😭

[dawn shuttle]

Don't you know in-laws become biologically related to you

[fast dew]

Thats Gerivaine

Who. He really did not seem to care for

[dark compass]

Finally, Albrecht Titania proto

[fast dew]

Grandmother watching as her. What would she be in reference to Albrecht?

Grandmother watching as her Son's wife's father's bulter makes out with his master

[dawn shuttle]

She'd probably say something like skippity hop

[fast dew]

Awh

I had an answer, person!

[dawn shuttle]

Tenno, imagine a message that doesn't exist

[fast dew]

It was just a ":)" but still!

[fast dew]

Did you forget kiddo? You owe me :)

Owe me a deleted message

[dawn shuttle]

||This is basically the plot of whispers||

[fast dew]

Bombastine reminds me of my old drama teacher

[crimson abyss]

ofc these mfs survived 18 nuclear wars

magically

[fast dew]

They're like the cockroaches they got

[crimson abyss]

do we know where höllvania is on earth

[fast dew]

General europe area

[drowsy saddle]

The tism wouldn't just be a theory, it wouldn't even be subtext. It be plain

TEXT

[fast dew]

Hey not all autists are cringe!

[pine venture]

Lua bless us with more Necramechs when we set foot in Tau... as well as other potential things left behind... if only they stood the test of time

[drowsy saddle]

Kitbash necramechs....

[midnight ice]

oh god modular nechs

[strange turtle]

DE announcing a collab with Fromsoft and Armoured Core

[drowsy saddle]

Got a job for you 621...
Our client's name is... The Lotus..

[midnight ice]

621 when 547 enters the room

[drowsy saddle]

And overleveling

Maybe it'll be 1 mastery item.... And like, half a dozen limb options

[humble sierra]

Theory: Listening to OnLyne causes psychosis
Evidence:
1 - Daughter. Just generally.
2 - Aoi maniacally stealing the truck and getting you to shoot RPGs at Scaldra
3 - Rebb Ford canonically exists in 1999 and runs an OnLyne fan page. We can assume fictional Rebb is as chaotic as IRL Rebb.
4 - Lyon takes psychological damage from it
5 - We, the player

[midnight ice]

sounds like you just dont vibe with the party of your lifetiiiime

[dark compass]

You forgot that Albrecht is also a fan

[fast dew]

Yeah, he is!

[viral nimbus]

ballas did nothing wrong

[strange plinth]

what an odd thing to say, unprovoked

[ocean geyser]

Phrog binder……

[teal epoch]

Is this the right place to talk about Roathe's KIM conversations? It's about "finishing" the 21 times.

For the record, I did reset.

[strange plinth]

here or #spoiler-chat, kinda depends on the purpose

[teal epoch]

To see if it bugged out or not. I got a certain cutscene before reaching 21 wins and resolving it in the chat

Or if I just did something wrong.

[strange plinth]

yea that sounds. odd.
probably related to whatever's going on with KIM due to the update, #game-updates message
the reunion cutscene requires 21 wins and a lot of convos, so i'm not sure where that would've gone wrong on your side

[opaque zenith]

What's the possibility of the sentient language having the word "Rak-Tuh R"?

[brittle siren]

for some reason Old Peace quest required you to be at Orbiter or Drifter Camp to be replayable

[pale cedar]

Well yeah it’s a non 1999 Origin System quest about Operator not Drifter

[brittle siren]

the lighting is weird

ok I may be wrong, but in the Margulis elevator scene, she is not talking to the Daklo, the model is much closer to what Ordis currently using

[opaque zenith]

The gameplay reason is that some drifter/operator bugs can happen and dealing with the spaguetti is harder

[opaque zenith]

that's a fog settings issue, either too high, or turned off

[opaque zenith]

There's other cephalons, until someone manages to get a closer srceenshot, it's just an unamed one

[brittle siren]

I may need to restart the quest

[opaque zenith]

I woke up and decided to be a rapid-firing wiki

[brittle siren]

also isn't the default setting have it turn on

[opaque zenith]

No idea, better checking just in case

[brittle siren]

btw this is the best I got

also this is the first time I see 3 ??? in mission screen

um

[ocean geyser]

Did you find the A posing grineer yet :3

[opaque zenith]

That's for generic hiding of things, like the Ak and the techrot in whispers

[brittle siren]

where is he

DE may already fix him so

[ocean geyser]

Hall where the executor statues are iirc

[brittle siren]

also funny that Sentient in these scence count as "ally", but not the Grineer

[waxen mesa]

maybe it's not a bug and he's just a silly little guy

[opaque zenith]

In my not professional opinion I have no idea who's this

[waxen mesa]

is it not Margulis

[opaque zenith]

ENHANCE (it didn't help)

[brittle siren]

We talking about the Cephalon

[waxen mesa]

ah

is it not Donny Dalko?

[brittle siren]

But we now know that it not Daklo

[waxen mesa]

oh. we do?

[brittle siren]

Daklo has spike

This one seemingly have the same model as Ordis

[waxen mesa]

wish warframe had a free cam captura feature

i guess if its not daklo then it's unknown

[opaque zenith]

Surely is not Daklo (no horn and he was at the caliban room at the time), but it's also darker than Ordis white-pastel colors

[brittle siren]

yeah

[waxen mesa]

Ordis: probably not he's a ship cephalon

Suda: I gues it depends on the timeline of when she became a cephalon

Simaris: I mean it's possible but seems highly unlikely just because of what he does and his personality

Daklo: I guess no

Jordas: we know literally nothing about Jordas other then he got himself infected

Railjack Cephalon who's name escapes me is also a probably not for the same reason as Ordis

man there's a lot more cephalons then I thought

[brittle siren]

Ship Cephalon can leave with their "sentinel" body

[opaque zenith]

It's Sark with a stell chair then

[brittle siren]

beside Orokin can just move the core somewhere else

[waxen mesa]

They can yes, but we'd need to ask why

why would Ordis be in Tau following Margulis around

[brittle siren]

the real question is: why not?

[waxen mesa]

Because he's a ship cephalon and this is Orokin times

[opaque zenith]

K, hear me out Apnar or Vull lore relevant finally

[waxen mesa]

I imagine cephalons get told to stick to their jobs

A few cephalons were willing but i imagine most are being punished

[brittle siren]

I mean can someone repurposed a Cephalon main function?

[waxen mesa]

we're operating on a lot of "but what if"s right now

we have no evidence that was Ordis beyond it kinda sorta looking like him

[brittle siren]

like the one in Index, I don't think Orokin create him to be the narrator for the game that Corpus created

[waxen mesa]

He could have been the narrator for a different game

Maybe he used to be the Komi announcer

[opaque zenith]

Good point. Still, Ordis lore is him being punished into being an eternal "servant" to the tenno, so he can safelly be crossed from the list

[opaque zenith]

He was a conclave flag first (in irl update order at least)

[tall echo]

...cy.

[opaque zenith]

So... what if we shared the bill for a cinema screen and-

Let's leave it as an unnamed cephalon for now

[twilit violet]

There is a chance this may be Cephalon Samodeus, the riven cephalon
Idk if he was around during Margulis's time, but Samodeus seems to be just, in the Lotus's possession somehow

He doesn't really come up ever again as a lore factor but rivens are technology the Lotus allow us to use and Samodeus helps us reroll them with Kuva

I'd need to double check exactly what's said when you get your first riven

Samodeus just has NO lore, up to this point

[ocean geyser]

Nothing actually happens when you get a riven for the first time
They never gave him voicelines

Although rivens have descriptions that seem to be written by him

[dark compass]

I ate Samodeus

[glass sluice]

I still have the email, if you want that

[dark compass]

They keep saying Dax like it's a surname

[opaque zenith]

Teshin Dax the Dax of the Dax guard

[glass sluice]

Think of it like how people used to be named after their job.
"Jane Fletcher" etc.

[twilit violet]

Looked at the website teaser for samodeus and still didn't really find anything
I assume he had something to do with the lotus. There has to be some logic for him being here
But it did say on the teaser that rivens were "fragments of him" in some way so maybe he just, literally turned up out of no-where

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure he’s the one who created mods

That’s all I remember

[twilit violet]

All the lore is cut content now, but yeah he made mods, including riven mods
But, since there ARE mods in Tau it means Samodeus was at least around in that time of the Orokin. Somewhere. He may not have been on Tau at all. So he was at least, somewhere. I feel the creator of mods would be more likely alongside other important beings than, somewhere unimportant

it's not known whether he actually created ALL mods himself personally or just the first but there's operator-school specific mods, so someone had to make those

[twilit violet]

Since DE retrofitted lore about Teshin possessing the mod foundry you get, maybe it makes more sense that he's actually given you a riven mod

Idk what's intentional lore or just, game stuff

[glass sluice]

That email only makes sense coming from Teshin himself, so I guess he's the one that found it behind the space couch.

[twilit violet]

Maybe Samodeus really was just inside the riven mod itself

Or it summoned him/gave us a connection to him idk

[glass sluice]

I just assumed Samodeus was the one who created them, but as a kind of factory.

have we ever gotten a personality being indicated for Samo'? Some Cephalons are basically blank walls, after all.

[twilit violet]

He talked down to the Tenno like they were beneath him on the teaser page. Big godly talk stuff

Maybe he isn't a fit for the mystery Cephalon. There's literally nothing else about Samodeus

[glass sluice]

I'd probably say that he's been mostly forgotten at this point.
casualty of changing lore and such.

[tall echo]

Wrong mail

[chrome frost]

so i was replaying the old peace and the indifference referring to itself as We doesnt sit right with me. Does that mean that it in fact doesnt change forms and is just a collection of individuals connected to eachother through a psuedo hivemind or am i reading too deep into it?

[tall echo]

The latter

[fast dew]

Ehh, no, I think its just referring to us as well. "We (you and i) love it when you get to cut loose"

[strange turtle]

I just figured it was because like

Murmur

[spring cape]

So is there ever a chance that a Tenno might actually turn what most would call "evil" or at least genuine anti-villain territory?

[strange turtle]

Technically yes, but no

There’s nothing stopping them from doing it in lore. But we’ve also never got any actual individual Tenno-faction Tenno characters aside from us, unless you count the named kids in the classroom on the Zariman

And no indication that we’ll be getting one

[restive river]

Not presently no
The closest we got is Rell as he is the only known Tenno to be cast out

The thing is all the Tenno, post trauma went to therapy with Margulis so I think that larger lessens the possibility of a Tenno going the “evil” route

[fast dew]

Therapy works if you actually do the shit that you are told to do

[restive river]

Also ofc if you want to do it which the Tenno likely largely would considering what they went through

Also Tenno morality is very gray and we lived through the textbook example of evil with the Orokin so the likely hood of a Tenno being “evil” seems unlikely
Our greatest power is our empathy, hard to have that and be genuinely evil when you’re in the position of the Tenno

[fast dew]

Ima guess they went through a lot of confrontational therapy types, typically what you do with trauma leading to PTSD (tldr you get induced into a ptsd episode, but you learn ways to calm yourself down so its not as bad)

[spring cape]

This is partially my own internal views and pessimism, but after seeing how thoroughly Marie defends Albrecht, I thought of a scenario last night while at work (somewhat daydreaming) where I imagined Marie actually trying to physically stop us from hurting Albrecht, then my Drifter getting so absolutely sick of Marie's optimism and defensiveness towards Entrati that they get into a heated argument back and forth, and eventually snap.

"Just... Fine! Fine... You don't want me to hurt Entrati, I won't," they say, "I won't be the one to hurt Albrecht at all. You will."

Then I imagine my Drifter using transference to take control of Marie and have her attack Albrecht, all the while leaving Marie just conscious enough to make her painfully aware of what the Drifter is forcing her to do against her will.

[fast dew]

I did that therapy and im. Fine ish

What in the shit

[spring cape]

And all the While Roath is laughing in amusement

[fast dew]

I feel as if you critically misunderstood what Marie's whole chat was about

[strange turtle]

That’s not “anti-villain”

[fast dew]

Thats just

A bad person

[strange turtle]

And Roathe’d be pissed because even though he doesn’t like Albrecht he does like Marie

[restive river]

Drifter can just kinda be a bad person

[fast dew]

Yeah and I hate that drifter. Piece of shit

[spring cape]

They're doing it not just for the sake of getting back at Marie, they genuinely want to stop Entrati and deal with the Indifference.

[fast dew]

Rage and anger

[restive river]

Like you can specifically have your Drifter be a bad person if you want
The Drifter is all up to us

[fast dew]

Why do you feel the need to stop Albrecht?

[restive river]

Hurting Entrati doesn’t hurt the Indifference

[fast dew]

He is helping us??

[strange turtle]

I mean not really

[restive river]

I mean he is hurting people like
Pretty actively under the guise of “for the greater good”

[fast dew]

Albrecht, shockingly, isnt a villain

[restive river]

You can be very rude
Also the whole cheating on their partner thing and guising it as a polycule

[fast dew]

I don't know what I would call Albrecht, but a villain isnt that, i feel

[restive river]

That’s more the devs but its in the game so thats part of the character

[spring cape]

Tell that to the Hex

[fast dew]

He is, and thats a reasonable argument to make

[fast dew]

If you meant to reply to me about Albrecht not being a villain, im gonna introduce to you a wild concept called being biased.

[swift sentinel]

The game doesn't frame it as cheating currently, so it's not fair to put it in. It stays on the devs for not thinking it through

[restive river]

It explains his actions, it does not excuse them
He will have to repent for what he’s done and he knows that, he knows he’s guilty.

[fast dew]

The hex feel wronged, they have been hurt, yes

[silk atlas]

Yeah but he is still trying to fix his stuff. Just that what he's doing is causing a lot of pain for the people around him.

Of course if what he's doing is screwing a lot of people over and it's not like he should just get away with that after the problem is fixed.

[strange turtle]

The Drifter is mostly up to us. But there’s still a bunch of stuff and options that are set in stone.

And outright bad Drifter only really got added so people could have their Evil Sexyman Roathe, before that you could just be an assholes to people

[restive river]

Ok no yeah I agree with that

[fast dew]

They see him as a villain, mainly Lettie, but there is a very very interesting disparity between the hex and the other protos regarding their feelings towards Albrecht

I think Roathe is the only one outside the hex that is actively upset at Albrecht, which. Is kinda misplaced in a weird way

[restive river]

I’m very aware of what Albrecht is doing and how he’s feeling lol
My argument isn’t to stop him just cause he’s causing harm, it’s just that when this is over likely even he knows he will have to own up to what he’s done

[silk atlas]

ye

[strange turtle]

Oh um. Sorry? I didn’t realise

[fast dew]

Brother. ||You did it to yourself.||

[strange turtle]

Oh wait you mean like, as Drifter don’t you

[swift sentinel]

I think Roathe's redemption changes his stance since it was previously based on false memories

[restive river]

In hindsight the whole cheating thing isn’t how it’s written and more so how the devs executed it so you can forget that as a point towards Drifter sucking lol

The real thing that makes Drifter questionable is resetting the minds of the people they know when they’re doing it for personal gain

[restive river]

I did yeah

[strange turtle]

Honestly I’m still not a fan of how they actually integrated it into the lore.

[fast dew]

Which is why it would be disappointing if he just up and died

Wheres the redemption? The guilt and fear of facing what he has done?

What is the point of the devil's triad if Albrecht won't ever be able to seek that redemption, or even forgiveness

[restive river]

He does run a lot so at the end of this we’ll have to see if he will still run

[fast dew]

I hope he won't. But I can understand why he would continue to run

Its a scary thing, confrontation

[restive river]

I do expect Albrecht to own up to what he’s done, to do what he can to be forgiven but I can see him dying before that happens in full

[spring cape]

Either way regarding Entrati, question now is what to do about Marie's sycophancy towards him.

[fast dew]

Maybe it would be more realistic for him to die

Some things dont get a happy ending

[restive river]

Which tbh I don’t think he should really expect forgiveness like
At all
I don’t think he does anyway

[strange turtle]

It works as a mechanic to account for the games lack of save slots/“go-back”-ability but actually making it a thing that happens is just. Ew.

It’s so out of place as well “you’re a (mostly) good guy who didn’t want to punish Neci for Wally’s actions and are going to fight him off with your newfound love and connections! Oh and also you can be a toxic manipulator repeatedly looping your “friends” minds so that you can cultivate the perfect image of you in their heads and enjoy all the relationships you want without consequences”

[fast dew]

Some things don't get tied off with a pretty ribbon and labelled finished, and I don't want that for Albrecht, I feel

[fast dew]

I don't think he expects it, but he would work for it, given the chance

[restive river]

The Hex are unlikely to forgive him
The Cavia may never, Tagfer won’t at least
I’m sure Loid would forgive him but I don’t think Albrecht would expect it

With Drifter, they have a list of what they can and can’t forgive him for
The Hex, the Cavia, Wally in a way, heck I could see Drifter being mad over him not getting them out of Duviri

[strange turtle]

Yeah I don’t think he can expect outright forgiveness, not from most anyway, but I hope he’ll at least get some form of redemption and a kind of “understanding” with some of the victims

[fast dew]

I doubt he'll ever see the hex again

I wonder if he still struggles to look at the cavia

[restive river]

When Wally’s good and dealt with and Albrecht can stand still I’m gonna force him to 1999 to face what he’s caused

[strange turtle]

…What if the Cavia trigger memories of The Other Kids

[fast dew]

Oh.

Oh no. Thats not a good feeling.

[restive river]

I can see us getting an Albrecht KIM chat tbh, once Wally is dealt with

[strange turtle]

Like, he might’ve not been the one to actually do it but he is the one that’s ultimately responsible for bringing them (back) into the world as sophonts

[fast dew]

I thought that said "when Albrecht can stand", as if loid/tagfer/roathe beat his ass

[restive river]

Oh he won’t be able to stand :)

[fast dew]

See i can make a joke here, but I won't

Just know Loid is involved

[restive river]

Why’s Roathe doing anything
He took the serum willfully

[fast dew]

I really like this idea though. The cavia reminding him of his possible dead children.

[strange turtle]

Especially since he couldn’t understand them (and so, couldn’t actually know for sure that it was Wally who did it, and that it was intentional)

[fast dew]

He feels if the family can't get down to the labs to beat his ass, he will for them

[restive river]

Based Roathe??

I do like
Need to see Tagfer ensure Albrecht never has kids again

[strange turtle]

“My apologies Albrecht, but Vilcor has words he wanted me to pass on to you”

[fast dew]

"... who's vilcor-" Albrecht is violently cut off by a very heavy rock being pelted at his face

[restive river]

Roathe systematically beating Albrecht, speaking the names of each member of the family as he goes
Head-butting him when he gets to Euleria

[fast dew]

Tbf the void mightve done that job for him

[strange turtle]

Nah, Ayatan had Ordis print off a pamphlet explaining the Family’s changes for when they met Albrecht

-# used Gauss to make sure they’d get it there on time

[fast dew]

"Oh and im your grandchild now"
Albrecht learns that the family adopted a random kid

[strange turtle]

-# just getting told to avoid your family’s deadnames 10 seconds before that guy you tried to help find God(s) starts hammering them into you

[restive river]

Thomas
Idc
I wanna see the Entrati family jewels get pulverized into sand by our local deercat

[fast dew]

😭

You know, tagfer might genuinely have a good skull type for it

If only he retained his ancestor's antlers

[strange turtle]

Albrecht finds out his family tree now has a third grandchild, hundreds of their siblings/cousins as in-laws, a daughter and three a sons in-law through them, and a brother and sister in-law through said daughter

Also he’s an honorary village-person by relation now

[spring cape]

And I imagine a good chunk of that "village" wants him dead

[strange turtle]

…no?

Why would the Ostrons care about him?

[spring cape]

Oh, I misread that

nvm. I meant to say that out of all his "extended family", a lot of it probably wants him dead.

[marble gyro]

UNBLOCK MY WARFRAME ACCOUNT, I WANT TO PLAY

[restive river]

Contact support not a discord that has no ties to their support system

[strange turtle]

Not really

Lotus doesn’t seem to care, Praghasa’s braindead, Erra’s dead dead, Hunhow’s too depressed to care either way (also literally used his daughter as a means to an end so no room to judge)

The Tenno’d be varied, but probably mostly ambivalent or at least understanding regardless of their stance, with what their roles and the things they do are

[spring cape]

Either way, the whole reason that I thought of this was because admittedly optimistic characters usually get on my nerves (Aoi not withstanding as she knows how cruel life can be, is willing to throw hands when needed and is good at it, and maintains her upbeat mood not just for herself but for the sake of unit morale at personal cost), and I keep imagining my Drifter as heading down a steady "path of darkness" into cynicism more than I imagine my Tenno operator as going down.

[restive river]

Operator went to therapy but still has problems
Drifter never went to therapy and still has problems

[spring cape]

I get that, it's just how I characterize my own Operator and Drifter.

Operator is younger and still more idealistic but is also jaded and has problems. Drifter is older and much more jaded and has more problems.

[restive river]

Sorry, I’m not trying to discredit your characterization
More so add onto it

[spring cape]

I know, I'm just clarifying.

[restive river]

Drifter like
Needs a real therapist

Wait
A proto that’s like. A psychologist or something that analyzes Drifter would be cool

[spring cape]

I just imagine mine as going from a fresh-out-of-Durviri cynical hero, to a rage-fueled antivillain who is more than willing to do something horrid if it means achieving the end objective.

[dark compass]

I feel like Albrecht really wants for Drifter not to repeat that path.

[strange turtle]

Polymath Limbo proto who joins the Smart Circle with Kaya, Quincy and Amir (Albrecht also has a chair there after much pleading from Kaya, but the other two aren’t happy about it)

[swift sentinel]

Trying to think of an ironically thematic Warframe match, and I'm coming up a bit short.

[strange turtle]

Or maybe a Lavos or Dante, any of the intellectual-aligned frames tbh

[restive river]

Rhino

[spring cape]

self-fulfilling prophecy, much?

[restive river]

Hear me out
It’d be funny

[dark compass]

Lavos is literally 3 people in one, at times in conflict with each other

[strange turtle]

…you mean the snakes???

[dark compass]

He has shown his capacity to change his ways, but I don't think he's in good space

[restive river]

What 😭

[dark compass]

Jhavi is one of the snakes

[restive river]

Yeah
The other one is Lavos

[dark compass]

Lavos is Lavos 2

The snake is Lavos 1

[restive river]

What

[dark compass]

Let me pull the text

[restive river]

Lavos isn’t 3 individuals

At most he’s 2

[dark compass]

They say that Lavos often takes counsel from his serpents. One is his brutal advisor, the other his wise teacher. Both have their wisdom, and Javi still whispers to his beloved student.

The brutal is the old Lavos, the teacher is Javi

[strange turtle]

Tbf, the other snake does seem to be at least a representation of the old him, I could see it being taken as literal and having it be a consciousness based on/born from the old him

[dark compass]

They coil, act, and communicate with separate viewpoints

Good enough for me

[restive river]

I don’t really see it as anything more than a representation

Like the brutal snake is more so who he used to be but that’s not a different person, not like
Physically

[dark compass]

I like the idea of him splitting his old self apart to keep his new self in check

[restive river]

Yeah idk if thats how that works

He didn’t split that part off of himself and then was chill, he became chill over time cause of Javi

[dark compass]

Lavos Proto would definitely be 3-in-1 though

[restive river]

No???

[dark compass]

The carrier, the angry snake and the wise snake

[restive river]

Angry snake is just part of the carrier

[dark compass]

I mean, the way Marie describes her experience

I feel like it would be very much something separate?

[restive river]

If I rip a piece of myself off as a representation of how I used then that’s still me

Lavos’ brutal snake is a representation of how he used to act not literally a whole other being

[dark compass]

I may have been a bit dramatic with the way I said it initially

You have my apologies and my obliteration

[restive river]

Pfft lol

[dark compass]

Back to doing something else

[fast dew]

This poor man cannot get a break smh

He just wants his dead children

[strange turtle]

Is it by meteor

[fast dew]

Heh

[tall echo]

DEATH. BY. METEOOR!!

[dark compass]

I deserve a less grand procession

[strange turtle]

Death by stray meteor fragment

Or perhaps

Death by Technocyte Boil

[dark compass]

Just shoot me

As a collateral from acid shells

[plain reef]

Would it be considered inconsiderate to use Lettie to fight the orb mother's or Oraxia?

[strange turtle]

Why?

wait nvm, I get it now

[humble sierra]

You're just helping her take care of the spiders

Could be cathartic for her

[tall echo]

Nah

1. Lettie's spiders aren't literal
2. Letting lettie kill her spiders would be very fun

[covert pebble]

How did ordis get our warframe back after the Operator was sent to the void by Ballas during the New War campaign? Is it a “duplicate” like how the Paracesis is a “duplicate” after ours gets taken by Ballas and used to stab us?

[humble sierra]

The Warframe didn't fly into the void

Hard to see here but this is a screenshot of the cutscene. The operator is floating into the portal, Erra, Ballas and the player's Warframe remain on the platform

[amber sleet]

has anything been revealed about how Ordis gained a physical body during the new war

[humble sierra]

Obviously it still poses the question of how Ordis retrieved it but if I had to guess, Ballas just kicked it off the side in disgust and Ordis found it

[amber sleet]

did he have the power to do that the whole time

[restive river]

Nothing specific but the proxy body is shown in the sacrifice

[humble sierra]

Likely, it was teased in the Sacrifice

[restive river]

So presumably he got it from there, likely finding a blueprint for it in the vitruvian

[amber sleet]

fr?? holy moly

that's so far back

[restive river]

Yeah it was literally there the whole time and nobody knew lol

[humble sierra]

Yeah when he was in his super robotic "Star child" phase, you could see the silhouette

[covert pebble]

Maybe Ordis snuck pass enemy lines as a big ahh drop ship, “fak it, we ball,” then snatch our frame back like someone’s weave

[restive river]

Go watch an old video on it!

Like a release one, you can see it!

[humble sierra]

https://www.reddit.com/r/Warframe/comments/8ranw6/spoilers_anyone_else_notice_squeakyordis_during/

8 years ago someone noticed it

[restive river]

Depends what Ballas did with it, which we don’t know if he did anything at all

It’s likely he just pushed it into space and Ordis tried to track our signal

[humble sierra]

Then this is how he looks today if you replayed the quest

[restive river]

And even if it was destroyed a duplicate can be made easily

[humble sierra]

Or we somehow teleported it to us like we can in gameplay?

[restive river]

Lol I remember this

[humble sierra]

You were alive 8 years ago? Unc

I was born yesterday

[covert pebble]

Imagine if Ballas kept the original copy and crucified is somewhere on the ship like how the Sentients did to Uriel during the Old War.

[restive river]

Or that but that means our frame was just wherever Ballas left it

We don’t really ever see us teleporting the frame to us in lore, we go to it instead

Regardless our frame was left chilling somewhere for ??? or was destroyed and Ordis rebuilt them

[covert pebble]

Hmm, technically, we do see teleporting warframes as a gameplay mechanic. First as transferring back it back to you with you getting in it simultaneously. Then again when we (re)learned Techron.

But that’s with the Operator’s/Drifter’s powers

[humble sierra]

What's the lore reason for me spending 2k plat in a 5 minute span on all the Lunar New Year bundles

[covert pebble]

Greed

[fast dew]

Biblical greed

[covert pebble]

Hunger

[humble sierra]

Shit I didn't even get the Grendel one

When's the BOGO plat again?

[covert pebble]

Or lust. I bet ya the bronies of the WF community are eating good

[covert pebble]

Feb 17th I think???

[humble sierra]

Wait is there even a Grendel one? I can't see the bundle

[fast dew]

I think the 17th to the 27th? I am unsure

[humble sierra]

Oh it seems like it's just a skin

[covert pebble]

Oof

[humble sierra]

A cool looking skin but I guess I'll just buy his upcoming one instead

However I have discovered I didn't buy the Mirage one

[covert pebble]

Speaking of WF one and only horse girl, how did you fashion with her latest skin?

[brittle siren]

ik the Venus skybox is old but why does it show a second sun here???

[brittle siren]

this appearance already there even before New War released

iirc

[humble sierra]

Yeah, just above that I linked a post from 8 years ago, which showed someone seeing it

but I think they updated it slightly after the release of New War to make it more obvious

or it was just unintentional as a result of other graphic overhauls

[restive river]

ALL???

[humble sierra]

Nope I ran out of Plat before I could get Mirage's one

[restive river]

😭

I hope you get somethin good with bogo

[humble sierra]

I'm in a very chinese time of my life right now

[fast dew]

I can confirm

[strong viper]

I can't help but neg amir every time he gets excited about glassing and missing the point

It's like watching a child getting excited over your explanation of torture devices.

[fast dew]

He. He does realise that

[strong viper]

He understands but doesnt realize it unless i beat it in and i dont have the spoons to explain i cant just code ordis into consent

I have receipts

[humble sierra]

There's this animated series called Pantheon that I finished recently, which is about humans having their brains deconstructed and then uploaded (because the human brain has more processing power than any computer imaginable), which reminds me of Cephalons. Also reminds me of Wally because the MC's dad calls her Kiddo

There's even a scene where she has a nightmare where he goes "Hey Kiddo" using her voice

[strong viper]

Its a common transhumanist trope. My military rp had this as an idea.... and we were just nerdy teens on gaiaonline riffing off sci fi ideas

The whole upload a brain thing is bread&butter in most scifi ARG now.

[strange plinth]

Amir's entire perspective on cephalons is also in that convo, but you avoided it
"more pros in the cephalon column lol"
and he'll continue to believe as such until you finally do get through later on

[fast dew]

I can understand the wish to be able to change your brain and body

I feel that

Some people call it silly

[strong viper]

I remember from the first part, i get why he thinks its cool but I already said those "u dont get it"s last time

So now its, yeah, cant do this buddy lmao go dream of robots and shite

[fast dew]

Yeah and you need to continue to tell him its not a good thing, again and again

[strong viper]

Low spoons. Maybe if i ever reset. XD

[fast dew]

Some people won't listen

[strong viper]

But i get it. He is hyperfocused on transhumanism and cybernetics, not like i hate him for it

[fast dew]

Have you wondered why he does that?

[strong viper]

No, its obvious given he is a little boy in a warzone with a rapid cybernetic pubic onset

[strange plinth]

there's quite a bit more than that

[fast dew]

Theres a lot more than that

[strange plinth]

but i'll leave that up to Amir when you get to that convo

[fast dew]

Mm

[lean garden]

which is a premise that confused me, if the brain has more processing power, then why digitise it? you lose all that makes it a crazy processor no? its like running wine on your macbook and wondering why your hardware isn't keeping up

[strong viper]

Like the ptsd?

I'm aware he gets faces, and I know plenty vets so I know what that means

[fast dew]

No, thats not it

[strong viper]

Imperfect memory

Brains are calculators with shitty storage capacity

[lean garden]

ok, then connect some storage device and just use the brain as a cpu

[strong viper]

Thats what fallout did lmao

[lean garden]

yea but thats not what pantheon did

[strong viper]

Fair

[humble sierra]

That's a big issue they tackle in Pantheon, they're constantly trying to find better hardware and cooling devices. There's also an issue with the uploads degrading the more they run, resulting in permadeath (unless they were copied and stored). The main reason they upload it is so that the elite can reprogram the uploads to do their bidding-- one guy constantly relives the same 9-5 shift and has his memories wiped, but his work remains, so he effectively does 3 months of coding within a 5 minute span

[lean garden]

couldnt reprogramme the brain directly huh

[strong viper]

Brains tend to work best autonomously programmed lol

They arent some vessel in a vacuum, they come with a whole system. As a human, you actually have neurons in your heart and gut.

[humble sierra]

The end goal was also immortality

[strong viper]

Which typically ensues to a vessel in a vaccum.

[humble sierra]

The guy who designed the tech was dying and thought if he could upload himself it'd be like he's god

[strong viper]

Guess he never read Aasimov

[tall echo]

Just make a robobrain...

[topaz pawn]

Pantheon is such a good show

[tall echo]

I mean sure, the gel in a robobrain goes bad eventually, but it takes a few thousand years

[humble sierra]

His only issue was the degradation fault, and he didn't have time to solve it so he [BIG SPOILERS FOR PANTHEON] ||kept himself frozen then cloned his DNA, and hired two employees to raise it the same way he was raised for a Nature/Nurture thing to ensure the kid ended up exactly like him, so the clone could solve it instead||

[coral mirage]

So, I decided to just do Bounties and move the stories in every sindicate minus vox and the entrati family...
Like really Fibonnacci? REALLY?

[brittle siren]

what rank are you rn?

[tall echo]

Why not entrati

[coral mirage]

at first glance that syndicate seems more nuanced.
The others are bounties > Exp > Cutscene

[tall echo]

Same with the entrati?

[coral mirage]

entratig looks like, Resources, bounties, trade, take trade, random element i have not id, bounties maybe

[tall echo]

They're kinda the syndicate that started that pattern

[coral mirage]

i got the impression i have to individually move up the entratis

like little duck

[tall echo]

You don't

[coral mirage]

ah ok, may look into it

[tall echo]

?

[coral mirage]

vox is one thing, simple
Duckk relies on drop rates
However, i am not sure if fully leveling Vox first then opens something different
Probably does considering it moves the NPC around

[tall echo]

[mystic lynx]

Vox is duck tho
You talking about fortuna?

[coral mirage]

yeah fortuna

well, theres two npcs on venus, the one we start doing bounties on and then duck in that lil room in the back

[mystic lynx]

Neither require much drop rate tho (with the exception of ranking up a tier but that's a different thing)
Fortuna just do animal conservation for consistent 15 min standing a day

Vox just do PT a bunch

Or exploiter if you have thermia

[coral mirage]

hmmm, i tried my hardest to lvel up duck because i wanted to get Baruuk and Kung Fu aliens, but those orb thing she wants were barely dropping every time I went too each area.
Maybe I missed somehting.

Ill double back after Loid / Hex / zariman and see whats up

[mystic lynx]

Probably not bringing a lootframe then i get 3 in like 10 min with only a blessing

[tall echo]

Gotta make sure to let the alert level go up

[plucky geyser]

quick question

what are the corpus and grineer saying?

[midnight ice]

their own language that's basically english warped

[plucky geyser]

mmm

[midnight ice]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Corpus_Language
https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Grineer_Language

[coral mirage]

clem

[plucky geyser]

just wondering why when the grineer see the teno they might say "get clem" why do they have to say that to the teno instead of "get teno" or smth like that. or the grineer arn't even close to saying get clem

and are the grineer and corpus allies ?

[coral mirage]

hilarity

[mystic lynx]

They need clem help so they're telling someone to get clem to help them

[lean garden]

its supposed to be a warped version of "get them!" which ended up being the reason why clem exists

[midnight ice]

get clem -> get them

[lean garden]

because we kept joking about "who is this clem they keep wanting to get?"

[coral mirage]

for all of what the New War lasted

[midnight ice]

them because 1) usually there's four of us 2) idk maybe they use they/them pronouns because they dont care about warframe genders

[plucky geyser]

so is it get them or they need clem

[midnight ice]

its get them
get clem is a community meme

[coral mirage]

clem

[plucky geyser]

ah

[midnight ice]

clem is a community meme spawning from that

Clem the character is a community meme spawning from that

[mystic lynx]

They them bc it's the warframe and operator so it's always 2 guys (yes ik operator wasn't a thing back then)

[coral mirage]

Also the character who literally repeats his name "Clem" and is endearing because hes the first summon / minion we can summon for a lot of people

[midnight ice]

they're archenemies, unless you mean the new war temp alliance

[coral mirage]

when i think of "clem" its not the meme, its the character

[plucky geyser]

some thing I have been wondering is what is the cause of the infestation. Or was Deimos used to be it's own moon untill it got infected with the infestation. or is Deimos the home of the infestation

[coral mirage]

you get your answer when acquiring Umbra

well were in the Lore section, sorry. The Orokin are responsible, it was a way for them to weapnize and attack

they tried to do "population" control and it went horribly.

They use a small strain sample to infect soldiers and create the Frames

[plucky geyser]

I allredy got umbra but cuz I got it when I was younger I didn't really care about Warframe lore wise

[coral mirage]

turns out, making people homocidal zombie bots also does not work

so they pretty much lobotomize them and let the tenno control them

[midnight ice]

we don't know! it started off as the Techrot in 1999

it went out of control, eventually leading to the Radiation Wars

[coral mirage]

huh

i was pretty sure Ballas was all about admitting they fabricated it

maybe i need to rewatch the cutscenes

[plucky geyser]

so did the infect some soldiers to make them stronger but it went wrong?

[coral mirage]

Al did take it with him and start the whole thing, hence why the Hex are the Protoframes

its one of those "time is not linear and everything happens at all times and no time at all"

[coral mirage]

A very, veeeeeery generalized way of saying it, yes

[plucky geyser]

kk

[midnight ice]

then something something world goes to hell because wars, Orokin rises from the ashes, rules the world, the stars, Void travel is made possible, and they decide to go to the Tau system. They make Sentients to build a relay to Tau, sentients revolt, Orokin uses the Infestation to get rid of them. It backfires. Ballas creates warframes, the rest is history

[restive river]

Many frames were likely made from Dax but they could do it for anyone

[coral mirage]

what i do know, is that we went from making bots with memories to zombie bots and well... when we are basically regrowing organic material....

[restive river]

Yareli was a child, a yuvan, and she was turned into one

[coral mirage]

that really touches the "Ethics" button

[coral mirage]

Sorren and Jade

also Sirius technically speaking, didnt even have a chance

[restive river]

The first generation of frames worked perfectly
Til they lost it
The Orokin shelved them until the Tenno came along

[coral mirage]

and Umbra

[lean garden]

deimos was once just a normal moon until two goobers, belric and rania detonated a biobomb on deimos in order to repel the sentient assault there

[midnight ice]

^

[restive river]

Sorren may have been a soldier at least, he was a low guardian

[lean garden]

twas a dax tho

[restive river]

Also a Soldier

[midnight ice]

biobomb made of infestation that originated way way back as the Techrot

[plucky geyser]

so what about Nidus?

[coral mirage]

90% of the time, the answer will be: "The Orokin's fault"

[restive river]

No lore on him

[lean garden]

same as any other frame really

[plucky geyser]

whould the infestation be chill towards Nidus lore wise?

[midnight ice]

different strain of infestation apparently, he was studied to help a colony survive

[restive river]

Some frames are just lacking in terms of lore, at most we may get something from their description or a snippet from something else

[midnight ice]

see Glast Gambit

[restive river]

The Infestation would be chill with any frame in theory, all of the frames are infested.

[coral mirage]

well, where do we draw the line at "soldier"? Because the Dax are soldiers.
Elite at that but still.
ALthough it begs the question if Sorren is more of a peacemaker

[lean garden]

the infestation can also be not chill even within the same hivemind

[lean garden]

see vass and vome

[plucky geyser]

mmm

[coral mirage]

The infestation made a Cephalon go bonkers, its really not reliable for self preservation or cooperation

[restive river]

Dax are soldiers
Umbra was a Soldier

We don’t know what Sorren’s exact job was other than the title.

[midnight ice]

it only goes as far as "this colony studied a Nidus bp that helped them live amongst the infested because the infested fears this strain"

[coral mirage]

I thought sorren was called warrior, and Jade too. And Ballas used that as an excuse

[plucky geyser]

just wondering why is there 2 excalibers

or 3

[restive river]

Wiki
Weh

[coral mirage]

theres more than 2

[restive river]

There can be multiple of any frame.

[midnight ice]

thats exactly how the Glast Gambit was :(

[restive river]

Many frames were mass produced on some level during the war

[queen shale]

I know its a stretch of a question but how many people could the zariman hold?

[midnight ice]

if you want me to replay it for primary sources sure :(

[hybrid jackal]

Sorren was a member of the Low Guardians, we don't know if that means bodyguard or frontline but he was almost certainly a soldier

[restive river]

The exacts are unknown but less than the actual player count for sure

[restive river]

Check the Orokin Archive

[coral mirage]

lets make it simple, we know for a fact living beings are turned into frames.
Arthur was one
Umbra was one
Whatever Excal Prime was, also one.

ALl of the original Primes, minus Protea and Caliban I think, were at one point living beings

[plucky geyser]

what is the difference between the normal frames and the primes and why are they more drippy compared to there normal counter parts

[restive river]

I don’t trust the wiki cause they don’t source some things

[coral mirage]

thats what I am sayin (cue vegeta)

[midnight ice]

sure!

[coral mirage]

Primes were the "original" Frames, they came first, as such they get bragging rights.
There are some exceptions

[restive river]

Primes are just enhanced versions, some primes came first, some were earned, some made themselves into primes

[restive river]

Primes are not definitively first

[plucky geyser]

hmm

[queen shale]

Makes me wonder if the tenno are just nepobabies of the people who had enough money to secure a spot on the zariman

[restive river]

Prime =/= original

[coral mirage]

many arent, but thats the generalized way of seeing it.
In reality they re improved versions to play with

[restive river]

Nope, the Orokin chose families
Nobody bought their way onto the Zariman, the Orokin don’t care about money lmao

[fast dew]

The orokin are above money

[restive river]

The Orokin have everything, Tuvul doesn’t care if some commoner has a bit more dough than some others

[fast dew]

Cept for ballas for some reason (parvos was rich ig)

[queen shale]

Oh so theres more nepotism than I thought

[restive river]

No?

[coral mirage]

The Orokin simply see "There is us. There is everything else"
They think everything belongs to them

[plucky geyser]

how would the star chart be if every faction had warframes

[restive river]

Bad

[coral mirage]

I am not sure if that is Xenophobia or the most extreme version of Avarice

[hybrid jackal]

Given that some of the drifter replies about childhood, definitely not families that bought their way onto the Zariman

[restive river]

Not like the other factions can even reliably pilot a frame

[plucky geyser]

k

[restive river]

Zero families bought their way onto the Zariman

[coral mirage]

They sure tried in Old War...

[queen shale]

How would you get chosen if you weren't in reaaally good graces with an orokin?

Or related to one

[hybrid jackal]

Random forced lottery

[queen shale]

Laaame

[restive river]

It wasn’t some prestigious thing??

Tuvul, the guy who was in charge of the project didn’t even step foot on the Zariman

[fast dew]

Tuvul hated the colonists didnt he? Threw a fit when shit didnt go his way?

[midnight ice]

they're labrats, no?

[fast dew]

Or am I thinking of another thing

[restive river]

It wasn’t about high standing

[midnight ice]

the orokin got impatient regarding the Tau relay and went, sure, we'll send a ship full of people we don't care about and see what happens

[coral mirage]

"Those mohn kei' showcase strong athletic builds and intelligence. Yes, if I dump them on another planet, chances of survival are higher"

[restive river]

No thats Tuvul

[hybrid jackal]

It was not something people wanted to do, the classes we went through talking about all the prestige and honor was basically just an attempt at brainwashing

[coral mirage]

There. Thats the Orokin

[fast dew]

everyone's... theres a lot of manchildren in warframe holy christ

[queen shale]

Sounds eugenics-y

[coral mirage]

propaganda. They were picked for survival likelyhood

[restive river]

Yeah
The Orokin suck lmao

[fast dew]

Yeah

The orokin hated anything weird

[coral mirage]

you have no idea

[restive river]

They are very definitively terrible in like
Almost every way

[fast dew]

"Weird", by their standards

[coral mirage]

and were still missing 4 of them

[queen shale]

"Weird" brother theyre blue

[fast dew]

One being. Monogamy

[midnight ice]

by their standards

[restive river]

By choice
That’s literally a fashion choice

[midnight ice]

by our standards they're an absurdly eccentric bunch

[fast dew]

Roathe calls us a heathen for believing in monogamy and i think thats funny as shit

[restive river]

Same with the long arm, glowy eyes, etc etc

[hybrid jackal]

And Ballas was considered among the best of them by standard people morals. Makes me curious what the rest did

[coral mirage]

that is putting it mildly

[fast dew]

By Roathe's standards

[midnight ice]

cue blueva Naberus story again

[fast dew]

The entrati are far better, somehow

[restive river]

Not standard people’s morals
By Roathe’s
He considered him the least terrible of the Seven

[queen shale]

I really want an orokin "desperate housewives" show so BAD it would be so funny

[coral mirage]

they were mostly human, just that that Grandad was an Orokin

[fast dew]

He orokin did some pretty based shit. But they also were child stealing/murdering asshats

[coral mirage]

Is an Orokin? Ugk. Time shenanigans

[restive river]

Albrecht’s still an Orokin

All Orokin are human

[fast dew]

No? Albrecht is still an orokin

[humble sierra]

They're all Orokin, it's a class not a race

[hybrid jackal]

Orokin was really just a status, not a species. Albrecht is still human, ish

[fast dew]

Class, caste, same shit/j

[midnight ice]

substitute "Orokin" with "The 1% er" and it'll make more sense for now

[fast dew]

Hey they hated ai and had no real perception of gender, thats pretty cool

[humble sierra]

All Orokin— and Grineer and Corpus and Solaris and Ostron— are huma

[coral mirage]

ah, I thought it was a strictly fixed thing with the 7

[restive river]

Grendel took “eat the rich” to a whole other level

[fast dew]

But they also stole children to use them for immortality, among other things

[humble sierra]

Nah the Seven are just the second highest tier of Orokin

[coral mirage]

wait, second?

when did that happen?!

[restive river]

And this is why, in one single sentence the Orokin are bad

[humble sierra]

The Seven are Executors, below the Emperors. They're the Executors of the Emperors' will

[restive river]

We have never seen an Emperor
Uh
Somehow

[coral mirage]

W40K aside, where was this said? Ill replay it if I missed it

[fast dew]

Roathe says it didnt start out as such, but i have my doubts

[hybrid jackal]

Do we know anything about the emerors?

[fast dew]

This is old lore previously dismissed

[humble sierra]

Roathe's chats but also the name "Executors", makes it in hindsight pretty obvious

[restive river]

He’s a mostly reliable narrator but still biased since he’s from that culture

[hybrid jackal]

Roathe briefly mentions it in a convo if I remember correctly

[fast dew]

But. DE isnt above changing shit if something is wrong
-# punching the floor about Nihil

[humble sierra]

I feel like it was said there were 2, but I could be mistaken and they never gave a number of Emperors

[restive river]

It was in the stream leading up to the Old Peace too

[restive river]

He was never an Executor

[coral mirage]

Honestly without much beyond face value, i thought it was just how they took their class but became a ruling party.

[restive river]

And he never will be >:)

[humble sierra]

It would make sense if there's less Emperors than there are Executors of course, tier wise

[fast dew]

A man can reminisce on the. Year? He was

[restive river]

Iirc there’s seven emperors too

[fast dew]

They like the number 7

Its a good number

I like the number 7

[coral mirage]

it would make sense if they simply depose them, i mean... they already look fairly greek / roman.
That was their whole thing

[fast dew]

Yall ever have a favourite number

[humble sierra]

4

Peak design

Just look at it

[fast dew]

Absolutely

[humble sierra]

Pretty unbalanced though

[fast dew]

Kinda like an upside down 7

[midnight ice]

7 😔

[humble sierra]

4 is kinda like the H of numbers

[midnight ice]

[fibonnaci voice] how prbrbrbpredictable

[restive river]

Why are your favorites single digits

Get wacky with it

[midnight ice]

i like 27

thats blue to me

[fast dew]

Yeah

[hybrid jackal]

Roathe did mention that the emperors had less power than the name implies as well, and that the seven executors effectively ruled the Orokin

[fast dew]

7 is red. Or yellow

7 is a warm number

[restive river]

The Emperors likely put them in charge so they could laze about and chill

[coral mirage]

unshocked.jpg

i wouldnt be surprised if they were given that name for "execute" orders / commands and it bit the Emperors in the behind

[hybrid jackal]

That is what appears to have happened. But it is also possible that the Emperors planned it, we honestly have no idea.
As functional immortals they often had plans spanning centuries after all

[humble sierra]

Yeah and ultimately the Emperors could be another plot hook

I doubt they'd still be alive of course

[coral mirage]

all i am saying is... i actually want to meet an alien.
Theres literally no aliens for the most part in the series. Everything came from Terra

[humble sierra]

But idk maybe they had plans in place of their deaths like AI versions of themselves (and their fear of AI was just propaganda so nobody else would challenge them)

[hybrid jackal]

Only actual alien life we've seen so far are flowers, very sad about it

[humble sierra]

DE is against that for Warframe I think

I think Soulframe, ironically, has actual aliens

[coral mirage]

dang it, how can I make W40K jokes when everything is Terran?

[hybrid jackal]

Because the Empire of Mankind is it's own worst enemy in the end anyway, none of the xenos come close to the same level of hatred and destruction they cause each other

[coral mirage]

Orks

[hybrid jackal]

Have they ever flat out said that we are never getting aliens?
Technically the closest thing we have to aliens right now is the murmur and Wally, but they aren't technically living as we would scientifically define it

[coral mirage]

funny all the ways we get to turn each other into confetti but not full xenos

[hybrid jackal]

orks have still killed less humans than humans have I think, the Heresy alone and the birth of the Chaos factions from it have cemented that rather solidly

[strange plinth]

afaik, yes, they've stated in the past that there are not and will not be aliens
even wally seems to have been made (albeit accidentally) by albrecht, so

[coral mirage]

humans yes, on the larger spectrum theyre literally just destruction. Gork and Mork simply havent taken over because theyre busy fighting each other

[coral mirage]

sadpanda.jpg

[loud oriole]

even then we haven't seen them outside of the one main bad guy who could just be 3 squirrels in a trench coat lol

[crimson abyss]

ikr

we need aliens

[humble sierra]

So far the only thing in WF that could potentially be genuinely extraterrestrial is the Infestation

[coral mirage]

thats zombies and you know it

[humble sierra]

And they'll likely never give us an actual answer there

[coral mirage]

Imma make a shirt with the WF logo that says: "Xeno War When?"

[crimson abyss]

why not

[strange plinth]

so far all we have is that it existed ~1997 and the scaldra were messing with it

[strange plinth]

"One early guideline for Warframe was to avoid the alien races popular in other sci-fi, and instead explore the evolution of humanity and technology on our own solar system over time."
from a tweet about tennocon 2023 and The Art of Warframe book

[crimson abyss]

hm i see

[humble sierra]

I feel like the Infestation as we know it is 100% humanity's fault, but its origin is unknown

It also seems technological in nature rather than biological

As per 1999 at least

[restive river]

Xenoflora:
also Warframe is about humanity so shoehorning aliens in would kinda defeat the purpose

[midnight ice]

The Art of Warframe is out of stock agony

[midnight ice]

a god made in the image of man, same way people say man is made in the image of god

[fast dew]

Yk some folk would still blame Albrecht for that

[stiff beacon]

ngl him being repsonsible for the fermi paradox being a reality in wf's universe would be hilarious

[dark compass]

I ate all the aliens

[midnight ice]

||old peace tau sentients:||

[humble sierra]

@fast dew can't even see the word flock the same way anymore

[fast dew]

HAHAHAH. yeah me neither.

I've been genuinely so stressed over it 😭

REBECCA WHY.

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[waxen mesa]

so why are kuva liches weak to requiem relics?

I get why sisters are given they are a bit more tied to the void

[midnight ice]

something something theyre related to the creation of kuva liches

something something

undoing their kuva immortality with voidtongue or the sorts. i cant pull any good sources rn so i pulled that out of my behinds

[humble sierra]

Kuva has void derived properties. Drinking it seems to give the Liches immortality. We use the requiems, which are in Void Tongue to find the sequence specific to the Kuva they drank to reverse engineer it and create a specific sequence to break it. Like GATTACA or something

[humble sierra]

Just noticed this

[strange plinth]

its an interesting echo there, yeah

[brittle siren]

And the closest to an alien is Wally, which is not really the case either since he was made from a human mind

[restive river]

Yup!
Or at the very least heavily heavily influenced by one lol

[timber viper]

How tall is Ballass?

[restive river]

Tall

[midnight ice]

never mentioned in lore but, hm, what can we even use as scale

mall tables? the protovyre gun skins?

[dark compass]

Banana

[strange plinth]

i don't think he's ever near something that we have a good reference for

[midnight ice]

there was this oooonneee time in sometjing something prologue where we approach him to get the. anti sentient weapon i forgot the name

paracelsus? no

[strange plinth]

actually wait wasn't there an 'official' life-size operator statue-

[restive river]

Ye

[strange plinth]

you've added an 'l'
almost correct

[midnight ice]

paracesus. thats the thang
life size operator statue or excal statue?

[strange plinth]

there were mannequins of the operator and drifter at tennocon last year made by hoku props
not finding much about them though

[midnight ice]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t3sDVlbSVZk

these?

[strange plinth]

yea

[fast dew]

Awh operator looks like a kid

[midnight ice]

if those boards are 2x4 planks i can roughly estimate their heights

[fast dew]

Thsts scary

I mean. You being able to see it being 2x4s,

ACTUALLY

@humble sierra DO WE KNOW IF THE. THE KUBROW THING AT TENNOVIP WAS LIFESIZED??

It should be??

Bcs i have a photo of that thing next to me

[midnight ice]

probably more i havent held lumber in a while

if we have a kubrow height we have a rough operator-drifter-warframe height and now we just have to track down a model of ballas thats not 900000 foot tall

[fast dew]

... well

Now I feel. Short.

[strange plinth]

you can get fairly close to him in TNW
difficult part is a good camera angle

[fast dew]

THE DAMN DOG IS ALMOST AS TALL AS ME

[topaz pawn]

you could estimate using the Staff no?

it's a orbiter decoration

[midnight ice]

giggled mb 💔

[midnight ice]

ooh!

[strange plinth]

might be at a different scale in the orbiter, unsure

[topaz pawn]

it does seem pretty. small

[midnight ice]

okay if no one has it when i'm home in 4 hours, ill use my img software to very roughly calculate things based off ballas' shepherd staff

[topaz pawn]

I only said anything because I literally just walked past it in my backroom

[fast dew]

Genuinely exploding

Well, my last height measurement, it was around 157-160cm, so

Base it off that

[midnight ice]

i'm taller than you 💔

[fast dew]

Laugh at me being small or this giant ass dog

[midnight ice]

now that i think of it, arent the duviri kubrows like at least 3 feet above the ground? this scale feels a teensy bit exaggerated

if anything, are kaithes the size of normal horses lmao

[strange plinth]

i feel like that kubrow is ~2x the size it should be
based on the drifter mannequin at least

[fast dew]

... thats not a mannequin

[strange plinth]

the drifter mannequin mentioned earlier, i mean

[fast dew]

Thats a whole ass person

[dark compass]

That Kubrow is definitely taller than it should be

[fast dew]

Awh man

I wanted to be helpful, instead I gave yall ammunition to laugh at me 💔/j

[midnight ice]

very cool kubrow though you are redeemed

[fast dew]

Just know, I am small enough to fit in most kitchen cabinets

[midnight ice]

gonna work off the staff later then

[fast dew]

Fear your kitchen cabinets.

Also, you. Off topic, but since you were the one to suggest it, is. Is disco Elysium supposed to be this.

Weird?

[midnight ice]

how. how tall is DE steve
is it safe to say that frames and drifter are 6'0 roughly?

[dark compass]

It should be

[fast dew]

That has been a number ive seen floating around

[dark compass]

If Disco Elysium isn't weird you're playing it wrong

[midnight ice]

yes, and weirder. it's entirely surrealist media carrying abstract politics and trying to survive as a washed up Nothing

[fast dew]

I mean, in the time ive played it, ive been called the bad word for gay several times, I feel as if Im missing a integral part of Harry's or Kim's story with the use of that slur

Are. Are they gay??

[dark compass]

The society is rather homophobic

[midnight ice]

Kim is, canonically, and you can put this thought on the Thought Cabinet to mull about it for an hour

[fast dew]

[midnight ice]

and he'll just say okay to stop you from thinking about it for an hour. yes.

[fast dew]

Mucking mint.

To ao3 i go.

[midnight ice]

wait we CAN stand next to lotus (dark refractory). and lotus has stood next to ballas no? apostasy prologue

[fast dew]

... she has, yes

And you can

[midnight ice]

could guesstimate ballas' height based off drifters if we as drifrtdur stand next to her in the refrafotrureyhr

[strange plinth]

yea close enough

[topaz pawn]

ok looking at it the staff is roughly Ballas' height (without the sentient grafts, otherwise it's about 3/4s)

[fast dew]

Ballas looked better with amalgamation

[strange plinth]

his amalgam design is interesting to look at
though i'd probably snap that golden leg off of him-

[fast dew]

Specifically with that collar.

:3

[fast dew]

Snap it off and beat him with it !!!!!

[strange plinth]

yes, precisely

[midnight ice]

got a shot off apostasy prologue

[fast dew]

Lotus always looked like she was wearing pants here

[topaz pawn]

anyway here's the best photos I could get of a comparison between the staff and an Excalibur. (I'm sure umbra isn't any taller)

[midnight ice]

seems like ballas is like at best, eh, 3-6 inches taller than she is?

[midnight ice]

i love her swaggy trousers

[dark compass]

I was sad when I've learned it's not a weapon

[strange plinth]

only about a head height above margulis/lotus, yeah
assuming they're roughly at the same base point there

[fast dew]

I was sad when we learned we cant put paracesis in its sheathe

[topaz pawn]

it'd be cooler than the kuva staff

[fast dew]

Im still confused why the display of that has obols

[midnight ice]

this is the part where theyre stepping into the portal, i assume so

[fast dew]

Albrecht/Entrati family in general what did you do

[strange plinth]

imagine
craftable decor, uses the paracesis and the sheath
have to get a new paracesis from simaris or something if you want another

[midnight ice]

so......... ~6'6 ballas?

6'4?

ah wait we havent even seen how tall we are vs the lotus

[strange plinth]

that seems. probable

ah yea

[fast dew]

I like to think it was payment for qorvex

cool sword that is made explicitly to kill sentients, possibly augmented by the entrati
"you get a custom warframe, Albrecht"

I think if that sword was made in the current day and age, it would use obols over ducats to craft

[midnight ice]

if anyone 1) picked lotus or marge 2) can have time to sneak off to the dark refractory can you take a screencap of your drifter next to her 🙏

[topaz pawn]

not the refractory, and also she's got like a forcefield around her that pushes you away if you get too close but they're on the same plane outside of that

[midnight ice]

i see, thank you!

hat gives her a few inches im sure

huh, no, actually. if her hairline is around where her suit goes up to she's at least half, quarter of a head taller than the drifter?

[topaz pawn]

that last light in the middle of her head is where the natural curvature seems to end

[tall echo]

Just barely

[topaz pawn]

so maybe like ~2 inches

[midnight ice]

lotus is 6'2-6'3, ballas is about, eh, 6'9 or 7'0?

[dark compass]

Why not centimeters

[strange plinth]

don't like em /s

[midnight ice]

too used to burger units so i visualize height in feet

one sec

[dark compass]

It's FINE

I'll CONVERT it MYSELF

[midnight ice]

188 - 190cm for lotus, possibly 206 - 213cm for ballas?

[topaz pawn]

get that man on the COURT so he can execute some FREE THROWS

[midnight ice]

BALLAS THE LAKERS NEED YOU!

[midnight ice]

through napkin calculations likely 6'9-7'0 ish

[humble sierra]

Depends if the drifter cosplayer (and official statues) are also life sized.

Because I think Krubies come just below chest height of a drifter in game

But I think the Krubie puppet we saw would probably be a bit above that for the lifesize drifter statue at tennocon

[glass sluice]

We know that Drifter is actually rather tall, since they're basically on par with the Hex for height.
unless they're all just really short, but I don't picture Arthur being Danny Devito sized, somehow.

[midnight ice]

i think the Ostrons are danny devito sized

[glass sluice]

I was a little (hah) shocked when I realised that I was taller than Eleanor.
It feels like she should be.

[strange turtle]

Stalkers codex makes it almost certain we killed them

Its not actually stated, but they were the ones doing the ceremony thing, and would’ve been pretty close if not right next to Tenno when the drums started

[restive river]

I was gonna see if anyone measured the life sized Drifter statue and uh.
No ):

https://youtu.be/t3sDVlbSVZk?si=QyD7XECmxEmhSyDx

[midnight ice]

awwww

no dimensions from Hoku either

[idle fog]

the 1999 quest just killed my headcanon that Warframe takes place in the guilty gear universe

[ashen pulsar]

...that's what killed it?

[tall echo]

Good.

[fast dew]

[idle fog]

If you think about it ||Hunhow is technically the Operator's grandfather||

[midnight ice]

?

[glass sluice]

step-grandfather, I don't think we're due to inheret the estate.

I just pictured Hunhow with a smoking pipe in a rocking chair. Thank you.

[strange turtle]

I can’t believe Galastra got mad at us when she was the one trying to steal our grandad’s estate for her family

[fast dew]

I like how transfemme folk get ticker, genuinely an angel in the flesh, and transmasc folk got.

Racist space grandpa hunhow

[dark compass]

Hunhow? Transmasc?

[fast dew]

He has a womb broski 😭

[dark compass]

Oh right

He does

[fast dew]

It is currently obliterated by the void, but it is still there

[glass sluice]

There's a joke in there somewhere, but I ain't gonna make it.

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

Do not.

[glass sluice]

Hey I'm not using mine, Hunhow can have it. Seems like they need it more than me.

[fast dew]

Ima just say this tho

Hunhow got pregnant, meaning pragsgahshaha has means of fulfilling that cycle.

THE RELATIONSHIP IS T4T

Hunhow and his giant star devouring wife

[fast dew]

Id give him mine, but i do tolerate him enough not to curse him with the shit my one has going on

Ill give it to Albrecht instead

[dark compass]

My insides are an empty void, I'm not sharing anything

[glass sluice]

@fast dew I'm a later in life comer to all this stuff, so apologies in advance if I use the wrong term for something.
Just flat-out tell me and I'll know for the future.

[fast dew]

I mean this in a gentle way, but you'd know if you messed up, I get. Firm? From the getgo, typically shown by using actual grammar and not any emotes vecause thats how I make myself not sound like an ass 😭

[glass sluice]

I only came out like, when i was nearly 30. most of what I learned was very much on the wrong perspective of things.
so i will 100% miss the subtle stuff, so just be blunt, it'll be faster with me.

[strange turtle]

You assume that they didn’t both

Maybe Natah and Erra are twins

[lean garden]

Eh, it would mean Erra is the elder twin

[pale cedar]

Natah born 30 seconds too late

[tall echo]

Elden twin

[dawn citrus]

Erra mentions watching Natah be born. Idk how long it takes Sentiants to grow up enough to have memory, could be immediately. But Erra was born first.

[pale cedar]

I doubt it’s an instant growth process

[dark compass]

Little baby RAM

[strange turtle]

Does that mean Erra is one of those

Primogem thingies

[dark compass]

Primowhat

Primogem — Genshin Impact Wiki

[pale cedar]

It’s basically a thing where the eldest takes the throne

[dark compass]

Primogem

Not Primogen

[pale cedar]

“A primordial crystalline gem that's beyond the mundane world. Shines with the condensed hopes and dreams of universes that once were.”

Totally fits Erra 100%

[strange turtle]

The furry computer things

That got made to rip off of some guys concept that he was charging people to use

[dark compass]

Oh protogens

[strange turtle]

And they look like the bobblehead robots from that one show

[dark compass]

Yeah I understand now

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[dark compass]

I am not furry enough but definitely enough to know

They're supposed to be modified lab grown bodies

Sentients aren't like that

They're just funny not-meat robots

I wonder if their ram grows with age

Erra sure did manage to grow... A ram

[modest lion]

Because of one of Lyon's quotes regarding ||Rell|| in KIM, I really would like to get "Strong Enough" as a tattoo. Has my autistic ass feeling validated 😭

[strong viper]

I wonder if you could translate that to Orokin...

Would be really cool as a cryptic cypher

[woven coyote]

Orokin writing is just english written phonetically so shouldnt be too hard

[tall echo]

yea

it'd just sound a bit dumb

[wanton wren]

i have the beggining of all Lore

[tall echo]

nah that's just a lore enthusiast that hasn't realized it yet

[spice spade]

Damn..... Lore Egg huh, what would happen if it'll hatch?

[scarlet lion]

I just played through Jade Shadows again.. I'm not crying, YOU'RE crying.

[pale cedar]

You’ll get a ton of lore inaccuracies

[opaque zenith]

The lore gets
scrambled

[tall echo]

it won't get to, because I'm making the mother of all omelettes here jack, can't fret over every egg!

[pale cedar]

I’m gonna steal it so you can’t get it

It deserves to stay sealed away

[opaque zenith]

This conversation is getting soft-boiled out of topic

[glass sluice]

You'll get over it fairly easy.

[fast dew]

Heheh based

[normal mountain]

I'd keep that one, tbh
Convert and keep

[wanton wren]

ye its converted, il most likely sell it at some point

[tall echo]

sell it to GrayArchon

[fast dew]

Oh my god yes

[strange turtle]

@summer crater

[ashen pulsar]

question. does eternalism just not exist since the handshake? if Wally removed every reality aside from operator’s and drifter’s so that there’s only two possible versions of us, and drifter’s reality no longer exists or whatever, did externalism just restart making new realities from there or did it cease to work from then on?

[tall echo]

Where are you getting any of that from

[ashen pulsar]

in the new war, during the handshake

[tall echo]

Where we only see other operators getting killed off not whole realities?

[fast dew]

Baro:

Theres two baros. There is a theory that the second baro is the result of wally word play

[ashen pulsar]

ah. so he just murdered all but two operators?

[tall echo]

Pretty much yeah

Directly or indirectly, who knows

[ashen pulsar]

two? didn’t he make it so there’s one?

[tall echo]

Eskhatos

The red baro was a different guy

[ashen pulsar]

oh right

[tall echo]

Shortening it is funny

[ashen pulsar]

eskhatos could potentially just not be baro tho, right?