lore-discussion

[waxen mesa]

Is Ticker in her own body or did she buy a female body?

[south sun]

I don't think there's anything really for certain on that.
I know she was saving to buy up a new body for the person she lost, so at least sounds like it's plausible she bought her own.

But also just as possible she was given that body when first going into debt.

[waxen mesa]

I guess it's a matter on if Corpus keep records on who's body is who's

Or if you lose your body it just gets put in the pile and if you want to buy it back you gett whatever they fish out

[south sun]

looked through the lore fragments, interesting one here:

I sold my arms to buy you an arm. I sold my legs to buy you a leg. I sold my lungs, my bones, my heart... to buy a safe place to cradle your beautiful head. I bought you back from them. I brought you back to me. You in the body I had bought for you, me in the body I had earned to replace the one I sold.

But you weren't you. Not anymore.

So just based on that, I would be surprised if she could buy her own body as she had to sell of her own original one just to try and get a new one for Volan.

[waxen mesa]

from the sounds of it. Ticker did not buy back her old one

Sounds like selling it was a done deal, it went to someone else

[south sun]

Nope.
And in pieces too over time.

Took "decades" from what it sounds like

Sat so long on the Taxman's shelf, you barely knew who you were. And you certainly didn't know me.

The goodbyes I said decades earlier... they stuck.

These days you work the canal with few memories of who you were. And I'm in the business of keeping promises.

[waxen mesa]

can't wait til we get the nef anyo assassination

[swift sentinel]

We're never going to get that Derf Anyo boss fight.'

[dark compass]

He can always do Alad V or Vay Hek

You fight him, but at the end he escapes

[gleaming hare]

Ok so I was having a conversation with a tenno, what ifs and ideas about upcoming lore for warframe, eventually I believe I've figured out what we owe to the void.

[gleaming hare]

"I can save them, All of them! But YOU. HAVE. TO. WANT IT." This point right here.

[gleaming hare]

I think the Indifference wants to be cured of Wanting. Before Albrecht and The Zariman, it was nothing. It became chaos. What we owe to the indifference, is the RETURN to NOTHING.

[gentle isle]

Huh, interesting

[gleaming hare]

It is why it chases, wanting. It is why it has form, albrecht wanted to be successful. It is why it permeates time, wanting. The abyss hungers because it was given WANTING.

[gleaming hare]

I wonder and marvel at how DE might approach this

[gentle isle]

Yea I'm wondering if that is the case how are we supposed to return the void to how it used to be

[dark compass]

As it was destined

Indifference is majorly suffering from giving a shit

[gentle isle]

Huh, so eventually we may get to take a trip in seriglass ourselves

[gleaming hare]

So I think eventually, we undo the portal somehow

[gleaming hare]

Unmake it, more like

[gentle isle]

Knowing how unpredictable conceptual embodiment is I bet going through it may help in undoing it

[dark compass]

The so called dead children of Entrati

[gentle isle]

We might even find Minn

[waxen mesa]

A void syndicate with Minn could be cool

If the void is entropy it's not a stretch to assume that the indifference wants everything to return to nothingness

[gleaming hare]

Wally need Nappy but light keep screaming at Wally

[obtuse vine]

so uhh what happened to tht hole in the sun teaser

[hollow siren]

Tau 2026

[unique aspen]

Exactly right, that. The Indifference clearly cares way too much about proving itself right to the Operator specifically.

I feel like, maybe Albrecht is when the Void was injured & became aware of itself, but the Zariman is really where the Indifference stopped being able to be so indifferent. For a brief moment, it held some sort of hope, only for that hope to be entirely forgotten, so now it really wants to prove to itself that, actually, caring about anyone else is pointless & nobody will ever help you or care about you & real love has never existed, so that it can go back to being comfortably numb rather than fathoming the pain of its existence by thinking about the alternative.

[strange turtle]

Its a sunspot, not a hole

It was just a teaser to remind us of Narmer (the guys who like Tau and messed with the sun)

[midnight ice]

convinced its part of the reason mitw theming is always almost about hands

like reaching out, like, you know, wanting

[restive river]

There’s also the whole he’s missing a finger thing

[north jolt]

Wally just needs a hug and maybe some lithium

[dark compass]

I think if we hug Wally he might explode

[tall echo]

Someone needs to glue some arms onto my moa so I can hug him(wally)

[nova stump]

Hey yall know the posters of Entrati in the Hollvania mall in 1999? He's got his arms spread wide on the poster, do yall think the printed word there is "Resist"? I've been strolling around and got curious/want to try and figure out how to read all the posters and signs

[still frigate]

I can give you some of the posters if you'd like

[nova stump]

Sure!

[drowsy saddle]

At the very least, there's a small following of Kalymos fans

If the graffiti is anything to go by

[long quiver]

What exactly is techrot? I thought the infestation was made by the orokin in the old war to fight the sentients, but since Entrati brought the helminth back to 1999 and the techrot came from there does that like.. change the development? Are they just 2 separate strains?

[north jolt]

Like I said, Wally just needs a hug

[north jolt]

The Orokin didn't outright invent the infestation. They only harvested and cultivated it, made different strains of it that were easier to control (like Helminth)

The techrot is just the earliest known iteration of the infestation but is effectively part of the same hive mind

[drowsy saddle]

The infestation has always been around, there's been at least 18 nuclear wars trying to purge them

[north jolt]

We don't really know for sure where it actually came from but I drew a real life comparison of it to bacteria and fungi that have adapted to surviving and even consuming plastic and chemical wastes. So likely a natural evolution and occurrence in the WF universe

[drowsy saddle]

Its a descendant of the fungus growing under your toilet

[north jolt]

Tbh even though it's called a "virus" it really do be closer form and function to a parasitic fungus

I swear not a single game or piece of media actually understands virology smdh my head

[drowsy saddle]

Tbf, what even is a virus

[north jolt]

I was also gonna say TLOU writers at least know the difference and did their homework

[north jolt]

But I think technically any organism containing RNA (as opposed to DNA) could be considered a virus

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah that's the kicker innit?

[north jolt]

Actually viruses apparently can contain both RNA and DNA but the real main characteristic is that viruses need a host to reproduce

So maybe DE is justified calling the infestation a virus afterall

[topaz pawn]

ok so from my understanding, both the Techrot and the modern Infestation are strains of Technocyte, and all strains of Technocyte are connected in something akin to a mycelial network that transcends spacetime. the technocyte strain that would evolve into the Techrot originated in Höllvania as part of the Coda project, an attempt to clone a docile and controllable copy of On-Lyne. presumably it spread from the Codas much like any other disease, using places like the sewers, subways, and bathhouses as places to spread in 1999, which is why it became known as the plague year.

[north jolt]

Pretty much yeah

[proper barn]

seemingly. yes. the helminth is "loyal" to us tenno for some reason.

[normal mountain]

Iirc it was domesticated somehow

[tall echo]

Less loyal more sterile and intimidated

[proper barn]

it was "Farmed" more than domesticated but it has sentience and can bargain.

[proper barn]

idk if it's sterile

[normal mountain]

Same difference

[tall echo]

It doesn't spread on its own

[proper barn]

i get what you mean.

i always liked the idea it thinks working with us is the best course for it's success.

[drowsy saddle]

The operator provides the best scritches

[proper barn]

lul

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/monsters-vs-aliens-bob-bob-eating-carrots-monsters-vs-aliens-carrots-carrots-gif-10979397057536458607

Feeding my Helminth another dose of ferrite

[unique aspen]

Helminth & Lizzie are distinctly affectionate towards us (and the warframes are all part of helminth), but it is also true that it doesn't seem to spread beyond deliberately administered injections, even in pretty extreme circumstances.

I don't think there's really much intimidation at play for it

[ocean geyser]

Beyond those two, the only strain that thinks we’re neat is the Zealoid Prelate

[dark compass]

More like Zealoid Out-of-date

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[strange turtle]

Nah there’s also Lephantis. Granted, they think we’d be a lot neater without our individuality but still

it was nice enough

-# relatively

[fast dew]

Pretty sure it is, there's a lot you can translate in 1999. Thats how we learned that Albrecht had a clothing store, whos name was. "Timeless style"

[fast dew]

Minn is dead, didn't Albrecht have her body? And. If she is dead, I feel as if CE wouldn't kick in for her

[gentle isle]

she was vented into the void by fibonacci

[fast dew]

I find this so funny that noone even commented on this 😭

[gentle isle]

according to tagfer, when they were sent into the void and gained consciousness, the bell had a leak, and the indifference came inside
fibonacci panicked and vented the bell to try and flush it out but minn was sucked out too

at least i'm pretty sure that's what the cavia rank ups showed

yup, minn is presumed dead, we don't actually know for sure

that's why tagfer was so pissed not only at albrecht, but also fib

[strange turtle]

Yeah

Definitely dead, unless Wally decided to save her (unlikely considering her relationship with Tagfer), there’s another new pocket space in the Void, or she lands into Duviri (maybe the labs) at some point in the future

[restive river]

In theory those spaces should be caused by someone, so unless she caused one I think you’re right about her being dead

[strange turtle]

Yeah

I just brought them up because of how they can just be pulled out of DE’s pocket as part of an update like Granum space and Duviri

Also the like, underworld place from Tempestari that we only figured anything out about because of the captura scene name

[restive river]

What’s the caprura name?

[strange turtle]

Idr

I think it was the quest reward I’ll check rq

[restive river]

The Cold Below

Oh Lyon has a date scene there

Lyon has some of the best scenes what 😭

I can’t find the description of the scene on the wiki, though I’m assuming it’s the default one

The Cold Below should just be in reference to the song, no?

Not sure if Lyon sheds more light on it but I’d imagine it’s not a real physical place
But if there’s a scene with Lyon there maybe it is

[still frigate]

it's called WraithQuestVallaGlariosArena

but yeah it's just the sleeping in the cold below arena

[strange turtle]

Kinda has to be

Like, not necessarily physical but like

[tall echo]

The tempestarii arena doesn't exist

[restive river]

It does
Your bf goes there

Or did you mean physically

[tall echo]

It's just a setpiece-memory relating to vala where we get to try out the shadow

[restive river]

Are capturas physical?
Is captura in the weave?

What does Lyon even say about it?

[tall echo]

Canon-wise the shadow is fighting corpus on the tempestarii during it

[restive river]

Ye

[tall echo]

Actually, are the corpus during the quest parvos corpus?

[restive river]

“This is a place within the void that lives within the mind”

“This place is so familiar… it is not quite the same- the ship, it was not here. But the water… the mist… this is a place within the Void that lives within the mind”

It’s sounding like the Cold Below is a manifestation of Vala’s grief

||also Lyon met Rell and his Harrow here????||

[strange turtle]

The date being a thing establishes that it exists and is somehow accessible, likely through Sevagoth,

And as we see in the quest with Sevagoth (was it just the Shadow?) slaughtering Corpus that just magically appear there, with the Sevagoth KIM thing and description/abilities being about how he reaps souls + what Ducky just posted, we can assume it’s some like Void/consciousness thing that’s at least partially to do with death

That and the obvious underworld/soul allusion with it being all watery, and it being called The Cold Below (sleeping in the Cold Below=death?)

[restive river]

Yeah no it’s looking like the Cold Below is a void manifestation of the afterlife through Vala’s grief

[strange turtle]

I doubt it’s specifically hers

[restive river]

She’s in the void when the Cold Below scene happens

Lyon comments on the grief too
So in some part it exists because if her

[strange turtle]

And Lyon also gets there and there’s no ship or anything and we just know how to access it so there’s clearly more to it

[restive river]

Heck the ship that’s there has ties to Vala iirc (idk why else it’d be there)

[restive river]

The way Lyon talks about it it sounds like he’s seen another lake similar to this one

[strange turtle]

That doesn’t have to be specific to her, it’s death, no matter what it’s source is there’s gonna be a lot of grief

[tall echo]

I doubt the dating scenes are 100% canon

[restive river]

I’m thinking it generally is a manifestation of the afterlife

[restive river]

True yeah

[strange turtle]

Yeah that’s what I meant

[restive river]

The scene has the ship though

So I think specifically with the ship there it ties to Vala’s grief

“Beneath the sadness here there is a serenity, a kiss of death.”
“Lua took many souls home to their rest from this place. So similar yet dissimilar from the lake I knew.”

It could also just be the lake is a representation of grief
Idr everything from Lyon’s story but if he went through grief then that could be why he knows the lake, grief knows grief

[restive river]

Why would this be the case?

[strange turtle]

Like, there isn’t necessarily some giant static lake dimension in the Void where all the souls go, but it being some kind of phenomena/manifestation related to death

[restive river]

At most we take what they say with a grain of salt, depending on who they are and the area
If you mean us physically going to the locations, that may be more so dependent on what Captura is and if it’s canon

[strange turtle]

It could also potentially be that Vala shaped it in a minor way because she was in the Void at the time?

[restive river]

Could be, depends if it even existed before she got there
But that lake with that ship is tied to Vala for sure

[pale cedar]

It's not like they can't visit the dating scene locations tbh

[humble sierra]

Yeah the most bizarre one so far is the Cold Below scene

Because up until now I didn't even think it was a real place

[restive river]

Also with how Lyon talks about it makes it sound like the lake is where they died or it’s a state of limbo?

[strange turtle]

inb4 DE reveals they just didn’t think about it that hard and didn’t realise people’d wonder about the ship still being there

“Yeah sure that explanation sounds good”

[restive river]

I mean I don’t think this is too difficult
Vala was in the void
She got big emotions
Big emotions + void = thing

I don’t think we expected it to be a real location but it easily can be

[humble sierra]

Yeah the quest makes it feel like some sort of dream as the Tenno is down and saved by the Shadow

[restive river]

I forgot that the shadow is concentrated void energy-

Conceptual embodiment from Sevagoth himself maybe…??
Frames are designed so. Idk

[strange turtle]

I think its just another soul-related thing, since Sev’s abilities are all about getting souls/lifeforce to fill the “Death Well” for Shadow

[restive river]

So Vala comes in cause the Shadow is chilling
She seemingly attacks, we’re knocked back, screen goes dark and the Shadow is in the Cold Below while Vala talks about what happened to her

[restive river]

The Shadow isn’t “conventionally alive”

Which tbh I think all of the void manifestation we’ve met fit into that description too

It could be the Shadow is concentrated void energy of Sev’s soul, or like a mirror of it
Or
A shadow of it. I guess

[strange turtle]

Actually, are there any other frames whose abilities could have like, implications about stuff

[restive river]

Nekros?

Soul punch

He also literally bring people back from the dead

No idea what the reanimating agent is there
Other than the void ig lol

[strange turtle]

Like usually it’s just straightforward stuff or technical terms, but I don’t think we ever really considered Sevagoths’ to be actually just, real lifeforce/soul stuff and not just dramatic/thematic stuff until we got more lifeforce stuff from the Entrati and Oro got brought up again (also the KIM chat) + the existence of straight-up Alchemy/Transmutation

[restive river]

We still don’t know if Oro is even real 😔

[fast dew]

I firmly believe that oro is just another word for soul

[gentle isle]

"it's a pvp mechanic"
"Yup, it's existence is a complete mystery"

[restive river]

I mean
I’m right, we don’t know if it’s really real nor what it actually is

It’s hardly ever mentioned and afaik the last major mention of it was Albrecht doubting it exists

[strange turtle]

Thats not what he was saying

He was saying that there’s doubts about what has Oro

It was not necessary to explore queasy debates about the Oro; animal minds simply lacked the full distinction of a singular persona. My Kalymos, I was sure, was an exception, but I would not sacrifice that loyal being.

[restive river]

Ah yeah

We still don’t really know if it exists nor what it is

[lilac aspen]

We need to be careful discussing Oro

They might create and then lock Oro lore in Conclave stuff to force some poor soul to sacrifice their sanity to obtain the knowledge for us.

[restive river]

If it’s a soul, consciousness, whatever then what are the Cavia?
How does Oro happen?

[strange turtle]

I think the Oro is just a partially philosophical, partially real Voidy stuff framework for the Consciousness/Soul

[restive river]

Oro essentially being consciousness/the self/the soul philosophically then it’s not a real physical thing

Do the Cavia have Oro? If so how?
Do Void Manifestations have Oro?
How do the Sentients have it?
If it’s just another word for consciousness then I doubt we’ll get direct answers on what it is

[strange turtle]

I said partially. As in, the Orokin having their own beliefs surrounding it and it also objectively existing in some form

[restive river]

If it objectively exists physically and, to the Orokin at least is maybe some form of the soul or self then how does that exist, how is that something that’s replicated, what’s happening with all the other beings that have a sense of self, a soul

[strange turtle]

Like. Regardless of if we’re assuming that Soul/Consciousness are the same, WF treats all three in effectively the same way, and nothing we see ever really differentiates them

[restive river]

If all Oro requires, or causes is a distinct singular persona then is it just naturally occurring in every being ever to gain that?

[strange turtle]

Not like there’s any other way for it to be a thing

[restive river]

I mean I am in the Oro is likely some representation of consciousness/the self/ the soul camp

I’m not entirely familiar with it being like
A real object within the conclave, nor do I know if that makes sense

[fast dew]

Animals dont have oro - cept for Kalymos

[restive river]

We don’t know what it really is or where it comes from

[restive river]

Cause Albrecht’s a cat dad and his baby tooootally has it

[fast dew]

Oh do you think Kalymos is what they meant by multiple children? That would be funny/j

Kalymos workin in da labs

Chat also would we call Albrecht a deuteragonist?

[restive river]

If Albrecht’s convinced his cat has Oro cause she’s oh so special then to me that says that Oro is either bullshit or what it actually is isn’t what the Orokin thought

[strange turtle]

WFs probably never gonna confirm if the gods exist, except probably whether Wally is or not, and there being some, big realm/cycle where all the Oros come from, and with how Albrecht, who’d at least be pretty knowledgable on this sort of thing, describes it, the Cavia’d have to have it too, unless he was wrong, which doesn’t really seem like it’d be the case with just how deep into this stuff the Orokin seemed to be

So the only logical conclusion after that is that, if animals can be elevated to “distinct singular persona” (and therefore have it), then it forms in relation to the existence of said persona

[restive river]

I’m not saying that’s Albrecht saying that, that’s what I’m getting from his saying his cat must be the exception

[fast dew]

Yeah, if its something that can be applied at a whim, I dont think its some big super important thing

Kalymos might just be a smart cat

[strange turtle]

I mean didn’t Albrecht also do some wacky mystery stuff to Kalymos when she was deathly ill

[tall echo]

Ye

[fast dew]

She certainly acts like it

[restive river]

It sounds like it yeah

[fast dew]

Its a maybe, Loid never cared enough to actually ask

I should've asked Rebecca

[restive river]

Not sure if that’s after his Oro note

If Kalymos talks we know he did something

[strange turtle]

Could be something to do with that, especially with the connection to the Void and Entrati that Albrecht and Soul/Consciousness/Oro stuff have

[fast dew]

The entirety of Albrecht's notes seem to be close to the last day he was at the labs

[tall echo]

Imagine how funny it'd be if everyone kept bringing up the archives at every tennovip

[fast dew]

... I brought up the archives, Rebecca knows lol

[tall echo]

Yes

[restive river]

She def has known

The archives are one of the few websites we can link here

[fast dew]

The concept of Rebecca knowing of the archives scares the shit out of me for no real reason

[tall echo]

But imagine. Tennovip in another country. Another archivist somehow shows up

[strange turtle]

It’s from a Loid dialogue, so we don’t really get a timeframe for when it could have happened

[fast dew]

Theres gonna be one in like. Either Hong Kong or China, so Nyx would probably do the same

[strange turtle]

We do know that it was before The Seclusion though

[fast dew]

It was when the children were little, so its like. After the void incident?

Wait why do

Why do I think that

[strange turtle]

Because Euleria and Petros presumably got together after the incident?

[fast dew]

I think??

I never saw anything that said that, outside Petros' shitty memories of when Albrecht left and when he met Euleria

[restive river]

Are there any KIM chats on Oro actually?

[strange turtle]

I think it get an off-hand mention in like, one

[restive river]

I feel like DE should have used Roathe to answer more questions like
What is Oro
Where does Kuva come from
How did you replicate whatever the heck Wally is (replicated fingers)

[tall echo]

Impressive

[fast dew]

I like to think the fingers just. Multiplied themselves

[restive river]

Afaik he does answer some stuff but he’s mostly about like
What is Wally in terms of Godhood

[fast dew]

Oh shush.

[restive river]

And yet they’re confirmed to have been replicated

Like
By the Orokin

[fast dew]

I was meaning the original ones when they were cut off in the labs 😭 the multiple there

Should've specified mb

[strange turtle]

Unrelated but ok yeah I think this is another pretty solid indication that the Nihil Executor thing was a mistake that went under the radar and not just a retcon

[restive river]

Oh yeah those are from the finger being the finger

The one in the Railjack and Zariman are Orokin replicants

[strange turtle]

God can you imagine how much better off they’d be if this was the case.

Well, probably not that far but at the same time the bar is lower than Descendia sooo

[fast dew]

Albrecht is like. In the m e m b r a n e and the fingers are just. Deadass on the floor of the labs and noone thought to pick them up??

[restive river]

I do wonder if there’s a distinction between the original original and the replicated in that moment originals

[fast dew]

... Archimedian... being a leader to the orokin...

Hmm.

[restive river]

They did
And then they thought “wow infinite energy! We can make a cool plane!”

[restive river]

Huh 😭

That feels like something someone who has a vague grasp on the lore would say

[strange turtle]

Also I was gonna keep looking to see if there was a mention of Oro Oro but I just realised how much ORO and Orokin I’m gonna have to scroll through and I’m not gonna do that to myself

[restive river]

Do they mean leaders of the Orokin as in the lead amidst the Orokin or leading the Orokin-

[fast dew]

Also im tired of people acting like Albrecht went off to copy all the fingers himself and did every single shit with a reliquary drive or however you spell it.

The entrati have such a strong aesthetic that it bleeds into everything they touch. The only one weve seen that has the entrati theming is the drive in the zariman

[restive river]

Yeah that’s why I thought I’d ask and see if anyone remembered lol

Do not force yourself to look at every Orokin chat

[restive river]

Who even says that what lol

[fast dew]

A LOT OF PEOPLE

Albrecht did this Albrecht did that AAHGRGGG

[restive river]

Albrecht “discovered” the fingers but that was about it, he had to get repaired by his BF and then hyperfocused on Wally

[fast dew]

Im genuinely so abnormal over it

Shit man

[restive river]

Like if anything his Daughter made a lot of the significant breakthroughs post-finger chop

[fast dew]

A person tried to say Albrecht abused Euleria because she turned out weird

[restive river]

Bro
She’s just an Orokin

[fast dew]

she deadass might just be autistic like her father 😭

[restive river]

Actually, at most I can see abuse through neglect

[fast dew]

I sense its like. Autism presenting similar to BPD, yk?

[fast dew]

Even then, Albrecht genuinely cannot be trusted on what neglect is, he has such low self worth that his idea of "neglect" might not even be that, and Loid was there! He stepped in to help for a lot!

[restive river]

It’s not really his fault, he was focused on a larger threat and wanted to keep his family safe but in doing so he did neglect her and that is a form of abuse
But like. That’s kinda it??

[fast dew]

I don't think it was traditional neglect at all

[fast dew]

She was an adult when the incident happened i think??

[restive river]

It wasn’t neglect out of apathy

[fast dew]

Brother was just like

[strange turtle]

“Look at that Motherless and autistic Behaviour, clearly her depressed but loving father beat and berated her as a child”

[fast dew]

Giga depressed

[restive river]

She was yes but abuse through neglect can happen at any age

Yes she was an adult but also, to her she lost her father

He hid himself away so
Yes he did abuse her, sorta indirectly sorta not
He def did not mean to do so nor do I blame him, it’s kinda just a sad situation rather than ALBECHT EVIL

[fast dew]

I still think his time in duviri was the result of him tryna off himself

[restive river]

Just cause there’s a valid explanation for his neglect does not really excuse what happened

[fast dew]

I wouldnt call an adult not having a parent constantly there neglect, imo?

[restive river]

It depends on how close they were

And afaik from her perspective he just shut everything out, including her

Again, age doesn’t really matter for neglect?

Like abuse through neglect can happen to anyone

[fast dew]

From Wikipedia

In the context of caregiving, neglect is a form of abuse where the perpetrator, who is responsible for caring for someone who is unable to care for themselves, fails to do so. It can be a result of carelessness, indifference, or unwillingness and abuse.

[restive river]

She’s also not a normal adult by any means, she likely thought she’d always have her dad by her side cause in theory she would have

Instead they make the biggest discovery in history and he locks himself away

[strange turtle]

I don’t think it was parental neglect but like, still neglect in another form

[fast dew]

Neglect kinda requires someone to be unable to care for themselves? And. Euleria was a functional (ish) adult who can care for herself?

I dont think its traditional neglect, no

[restive river]

No it’s
Not traditional neglect

But he did shut her out, he ignored her, he neglected his child
Yes she’s an adult but I can see why she ended up the way she did with what happened

[strange turtle]

Like at this point he isn’t being neglectful in his role as a parent/caregiver, but it is neglect in terms of their close relationship and love

[fast dew]

Emotional neglect, probably. Or some other more fitting word

[restive river]

Yes, emotional neglect

[strange turtle]

Though I wouldn’t say it’s outright abuse either, especially given the circumstances aside from it that led to her state

[fast dew]

He never left her by herself though, Loid was actively there for her

[restive river]

Again, this isn’t to say Albrecht is now evil cause he abused his daughter
No
This kind of abuse isn’t purposeful

[fast dew]

He made the best out of a real bad situation

[restive river]

Loid isn’t HIM.

[fast dew]

Im not saying he is! Though Loid held some parental status for Euleria i feel

[restive river]

She wanted her dad not the butler.

[fast dew]

Loid is effectively her step dad 😭

[restive river]

He’s still not a replacement for Albrecht

[fast dew]

Im not saying that oh my god

[strange turtle]

As much as it gets pinned on Albrecht’s disappearance, there’s a number of factors that led to her ending up the way she did

[restive river]

My point is, while nice he ensure Loid was there for her it ultimately doesn’t matter when she wanted her dad dad, not butler dad

[strange turtle]

On top of the disappearance, her marriage strained, her individual relationships with her kids strained, the entire family dynamic and household strained, they were trapped together in a very dangerous and stressful situation for a prolonged period of time, then caught The Horrors Disease with all that it implies

Despite this, she clings to one factor in particular, Albrecht disappearing; it’s something easily recognised, a distinct and clear fact in her memory. Most importantly, it’s solvable. It’s the perfect scapegoat for her because it’s the one thing she things can be fixed

[fast dew]

I. I dont think we know enough about this situation to say any of this actually lmfao 😭

Like hold on

[fast dew]

Wasn't the marrige strained over Albrecht's disappearance? Or did I miss something

Hhh hold on

[strange turtle]

If she can find her father (who disappeared before all the rest happened and so is in position at “the start” of where things all began to go wrong), then she can actually do something about what’s happened to her

[strange turtle]

Yeah, but it’s still ultimately a separate issue

[restive river]

She can’t undo the infestation

that’s about it for personal problems tho

[strange turtle]

Albrecht disappearing was the catalyst for the strain on the relationship, but the relationship itself being strained is a whole other issue because now on top of her father being gone, her relationship with her husband might (and did) fall apart too

[fast dew]

I was listening to Albrecht's notes and

He doesnt have the weird. Stopping and starting speech pattern

He speaks quickly

[hazy temple]

is there a lore reason for why there are 3 solaris that are still wearing narmer veils? its so out of place as everyone around them is fine and lving life normally now that ballas failed but some how these 3 are still wearing veils

[restive river]

Narmer is still around and still veiling people
But uh. Yeah no that’s weird LOL

[strange turtle]

DE probably forgot to remove them from the models/change the models out

[fast dew]

Leftovers probably

[hazy temple]

im giggling at the thought they prefer ignorant bliss the veil's provide to them XD

[midnight ice]

fibonacci said "papa's daughter had a (thing?) for explaining complex ideas in childish terms, now i know where she got it from" at some point during whisper lol

[fast dew]

IVE BEEN SAYIN THIS BEFORE WE EVEN GOT THE NEW DIALOGUE WITH MOTHER

Loid was a good father to Euleria. Step dad moment yk

[pale cedar]

Boywife

[fast dew]

No, househusband, and thats Albrecht, Loid is more dominant in their relationship smh

[desert acorn]

Do these pods hold Tenno or smth else it’s always kinda confused me

[swift sentinel]

It's gone back and forth over the years, and I think it's currently "undefined".

[desert acorn]

Mk

[dire mountain]

Its named "Warframe Cryppod" but it really doesnt look like one

That's just a guy

That's a regular guy he can enter a room

[drowsy saddle]

The original version of Awakening had us wake up our warframe from a cryopod, im assuming that used to have a generic excal or smth before they swapped to generic syndicate human

[tacit pagoda]

drifter says on KIM chat that there was a time they lived happily in duviri (before growing old and wanting to get out) and also, most of the courtiers have actual backstories that supports a daily living aspect

i wonder how exactly would that work? do they get to choose which one is gonna stop whatever they were doing and bombard the entire island with overflowing emotions, or is it something they do in order to ease thrax? they all seem to have roles and lifes even outside of the court

[humble sierra]

Their pasts are interesting because they're all story characters with prewritten histories, but Mathila had a husband who died due to events outside of the original Tales of Duviri story— specifically he died because of the events of Chains of Harrow.

[tacit pagoda]

thats what i wonder - how exactly are their lives in duviri. i mean they probably didnt chose to be courtiers but how exactly is being one for them

[fast dew]

Well, each cycle is dictated by Thrax' emotions, and so the courtiers do their job and. Do that

[tacit pagoda]

oh ok. so, bombastine could be just minding his own business and he notices thrax is feeling envious and goes, alright, time to destroy this entire place

[fast dew]

I guess???

They must have morning meetings

Though I feel as if thrax having a tantrum would be obvious to everyone

[tacit pagoda]

makes more sense. thank you. i love the courtiers concept but was struggling to imagine what their day to day would be like

[rugged parcel]

Some take the Veil by choice. A first taste of happiness no matter how alludury(?) it can be. Well more than you can ever let go of. But we cannot go back to sleep. No matter what.

Some solaris choose to wear the veil

[fast dew]

They are such a cool idea
-# you can thank Albrecht for their personalities btw

[rugged parcel]

The tenno resolve conflicts to ultimately keep some sembalance of balance in the universe. We may be trying to eradicate Narmer but that wouldn't be accomplished by ripping the personal, albeit fake, happiness of others away as long as they themselves are not bringing harm to others. A good irl allegory would be like someone smoking

[tacit pagoda]

wdym Albrecth

[fast dew]

.. do you know who Albrecht is

[rugged parcel]

They could be cigarette evangelists but just because it's bad for them the best we do is encourage them to quit, not rip their cigarettes away

[tacit pagoda]

ye - but what do you mean thanking him specifically for their personalities

[fast dew]

Albrecht's daughter (Mother/Gomaitru/Euleria) wrote the tales of Duviri (shes the woman who narrates it, the one who says the title in each cycle), and we learn that the tales of Duviri is actually based on Albrecht's bedtime stories for her when she was little :]

So, i really wanna draw Albrecht doing the whole "DEATH BY METEOR" thing for Euleria when she was little

[tacit pagoda]

LMAOO right right

[fast dew]

But as the days melted away, I came to recognize the strange cast of characters Euleria had created, and their purpose. I heard voices I had myself first conjured in the darkness of her childhood chambers, for no other reward than her delight. She had not only preserved this gift I had thought so trivial, she had made it an instrument of healing. More, a stronghold."

[tall echo]

"Alludury"?

[rugged parcel]

From the wiki

I ain't gonna fix it

I'm pretty sure it's "illusary" though

[tall echo]

what word is that supposed to be, damn

Alluring? Illusory?

[rugged parcel]

I'm 80% sure it's illusary from in game subtitles

[fast dew]

Oh while you're on this, does the transcript of the requiem logs have bengal or bengel in reference to the name Wally calls Albrecht?

Because idk why but ive seen more and more folk use bengal

[strange plinth]

iirc it is bengel in the transcript

[fast dew]

Oh good, I hope its just. Autocorrect or smthn 😭

[strange plinth]

its probably because "bengal" is more commonly known than "bengel"
pronounced similarly, so people assume "bengal"
and, yk, ye olde 'warframe players can't read'

[fast dew]

True... I suppose the German players knew immediately though. Which is cool
-# cuz. Yk Bengel is German for brat/rascal

[topaz pawn]

German makes sense. Albrecht used "Doktor" instead of doctor while in 1999

[fast dew]

Albrecht is also a German name

An older, not very used name iirc

[tall echo]

Yes

[strange turtle]

They only get to the level we see in the gameplay loop after Drifter indulges them and goes through the Duviri stories/stages

Presumably they just, didn’t do that back when they were chill with Thrax and not trying to escape

Though we do know they’ve went Orowyrm before seemingly regardless of the Spiral, when Thrax sicced one of them (Lodunn?) on a whole island in one of the Duviri Fragments

[midnight ice]

funniest way to interpret cycles

thrax spills his cup and Lodun perks up like a dog hearing the treat bag

[midnight ice]

corroborating on this, i just watched my friend play Whisper and in one of the Voidtongue lore the subs say Bengel

[humble sierra]

It's a bit more like the Orowyrms are his emotions. When one gets ambitious and out of control, they become dangerous. Which is why they must be put to sleep.

[dark compass]

They're playing VR chat

[midnight ice]

narmer occupation ended 5 years ago and he's still here

[sharp breach]

Anyone here watched Steven universe? Cuz I made a lore comparison and people said it was wrong but I wanna know so they could make a better hopefully cartoon comparison to understand the lotus margilus natah deal cuz I’m unsure if they are the same person or not
https://discord.com/channels/552966801558863896/1469753309983150394

[topaz pawn]

margulis and natah are separate beings. the Lotus is a third identity used to reconcile the difference between the two. Margulis was an Archimedian, and was the person responsible for the Tenno becoming what they are. Natah took on her visage when she took over the role as caretaker of the Tenno, becoming the Lotus

essentially she took on the superficial elements of our adoptive mother for our sake

[restive river]

Margulis died
Ballas uploaded her memories/personality to Natah
Natah then became Lotus

After manipulation and literally dying the Lotus now has all 3 as personalities within her

[hexed jay]

help?

[pallid spoke]

Can you not slide through the gap?

[hexed jay]

wrong channel

sorry

[fast dew]

I have! And I can kinda see the comparison

[still frigate]

do we know if praghasa is the originator of all sentients through fragmentation or if there are more like her?

[fast dew]

Nah, isnt that hunhow?

[strange turtle]

Neither

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure it was one really big sentient that split into the two of them

O

Interesting

[fast dew]

Nah thats the tridolons ain't it?

[drowsy saddle]

If we put together all the sentients we can rebuild zygarde 100%

[strange turtle]

We know that Hunhow has, and we can assume Praghasa and Natah have also (maybe Murexes? And Mimics), but DE haven’t really went into specifics about who did what for the Sentients at all really

[ocean geyser]

I mean it in like a “all sentients originated from one”
Kind of way
Which gradually fragmented itself to build the rail and also terraform Tau

[strange turtle]

Nah

[ocean geyser]

That was my understanding of it at least-

[strange turtle]

They’re individuals

Far as we can tell you’re either a fragment that needs the Xenoflora or you’re a “naturally” born/reproduced one, like Praghasa, Hunhow, Natah and Erra

Also IIRC its always been described as multiple Sentients crossing to Tau, and the wording you’d use for it being one big one that then split of doesn’t really match what we have

[ocean geyser]

Noted

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[kindred barn]

Are Drifter and Operator unique and stable existences, or can they only be in the same place at the same time in special situations like that one yap session in The Labs?

[rare scarab]

thats a good question i think

[ocean geyser]

They can only occupy the same point in time if it’s an area saturated with Void

Like the Zariman and Murmur sections of the labs

[kindred barn]

...there goes my headcannon of the sisters living together on the Orbiter with Papa Umbra.

...hmm...is the limit still there if they are different people....probably...void can't do anything nice

[strange turtle]

The limit is there because they’re the same person

Thats why its even a thing

If they were different people they’d, y’know, just be different people

[kindred barn]

Im trying to do mental lore gymnastics to have the drifter and operator be sisters instead of the same person.
Like maybe the Zeriman was in a different point in space when wally popped in at the exact same place in spacetime.
Or the Drifter made the deal but she said "help us" instead of "save them" in her own or smth...idk

gotta love it when dumb little stories get stuck in your head

[strange plinth]

the easiest way is to just have them act like siblings
they began as the same person but have very clearly diverged since then due to their experiences (personality-wise, The Universe still sees them as the same person obv)
while staying lore-consistent, there's not a good way to have them consistently in the same place at the same time
most of the time i just see people ignore that limitation if they need to when writing their own stuff

[normal mountain]

I mean
If there was an inflection point where the one who became Drifter was the deal maker instead of the one who became Operator, then that could work

But then to keep the just have the Operator's actual sister be dead
So they're suddenly face-to-face with their dead sister as an adult

[rare scarab]

huh that make sense, void shit do bejust doing magic

[kindred barn]

That was the plan. Drifter thinks its going to be a face to face with herself because of eternalisem.
But then drops the food tray on seeing her sister that has been dead(...or "rescued") since the accident. A sister that knows neither of their names or who she even is.

[normal mountain]

Interesting

[strange turtle]

So this is an AU where Drifter has a bit more of their memories? Since Drifter doesn’t remember the names either

[rare scarab]

Was Void used at all for Albrecht to Time travel? I forgot

he used it via his lab right

[kindred barn]

Since its a sister instead of "just" the self the names are probably more ingrained/part of Duviri

[normal mountain]

Probably remembers the sister better than parents due to bonding more

[fast dew]

Drifter is literally a y/n situation, little to nothing would be canon outside what you say in your own KIM chats

[fast dew]

Pretty sure

[strange plinth]

most likely, yes
iirc we don't know the exact mechanism for his time travel but the coffin using the void is a fair assumption

[rare scarab]

I wonder what kardashev lvl of Society are each major faction exactly, I forget what lvl would be able to easily time travel also

[normal mountain]

Ngl, if you ever put that interaction to paper, I'd love to read it

[strange turtle]

…1?

[rare scarab]

damn, looked into it and it seems most are just 0,1 and orokin/sentients are 2

[strange turtle]

No

[fast dew]

What are these levels we're yapping about?

[kindred barn]

Kardashev is power collection efficiency. Not general technology level

[strange turtle]

Not a single faction in warframe ever have used a whole-ass stars energy

[rare scarab]

levels of civilization

[strange plinth]

the orokin kinda reached into 2? but everyone else is definitely in type 1
but even the orokin were using the void rather than the star

[rare scarab]

ig Lua isn't really much, ig they ignored the sun

[normal mountain]

Faction, no
Individuals, well... Ballas tried

Probably would have succeeded if we hadn't stopped him

[strange turtle]

Kardashev scale is a hypothetical classification that measures a civilisation based on how much energy it uses

A Type I civilization (planetary) is able to access all the energy available on its planet and store it for consumption.
A Type II civilization (stellar) can directly consume a star's energy, most likely through the use of a Dyson sphere.
A Type III civilization (galactic) is able to capture all the energy emitted by its galaxy, and every object within it, such as every star, black hole, etc.

[kindred barn]

Is there any lore on what the Lua rings are for outside maybe holding the moon together?

[fast dew]

Neat. So. The orokin didn't even touch 2?

[strange turtle]

Nah

[normal mountain]

...The Void doesn't really fit into any of these categories

[fast dew]

Where would we classify void energy though?

[strange turtle]

N/A

[rare scarab]

orokin feel like they should, but they skipped to the Void for whatever reason

[fast dew]

Because it happened first?

[strange turtle]

Warframe does like to stay grounded on some things

[fast dew]

Aren't dyson spheres like. Incredibly ineffective or whatever?

[kindred barn]

Was the plan for Tau to make it a single star system by eating one of them. Or was that exclusively a super weapon for the old war?

[fast dew]

What-

[strange plinth]

tbh probably just orokin structures with no specific purposes
like most of their surviving architecture-
don't think there's anything specific said about them?

[fast dew]

Where the hell did that come from what 😭

[strange turtle]

The plan for Tau was to colonise it 😭

[rare scarab]

ya they had alternative ideas like Dyson Swarm

[fast dew]

Roathe has a line about gutting lua so. Thats one?

[kindred barn]

Yea but make it more "sol" like by eating one of the twin stars to make it a single star system.

[fast dew]

Literally why would they do this

[strange turtle]

And directly harnessing a stars energy even partially is a big undertaking.

You need to be powering a lot of stuff and have to have very advanced technology and even just the like, materials and systems involved are gonna be a big hurdle

[kindred barn]

Vanity

[strange turtle]

They’re vain not brain damaged

[rare scarab]

what exactly is grounded in warframe?

[strange plinth]

they're structurally.. unstable. put a giant shell around the Thing That Constantly Gets Hit With Space Debris and the shell will now be taking those impacts and having to deal with them
Dyson Swarm is better, but captures less energy

[normal mountain]

Same reasons why the Grineer queens were shunned for being twins, I'd guess

[fast dew]

The orokin aren't that stupid, theres a chunk of them that are highly skilled scientists, who would never let that happen 😭

[strange turtle]

That had actually valid cultural reasons

[normal mountain]

May I remind you they sent the Zariman after the Sentients
With the intent of beating them to Tau

[rare scarab]

I forget the reason to why Lua was destroyed, is there lore on Orokin doing anything with Sol?

Lua destroyed by Sentinels?

[strange turtle]

Also having a bigger domain is something to be proud of anyway, there’s no reason to shrink it if its pride

[normal mountain]

Ye, uniqueness
What's unique about twin stars?

[strange turtle]

Lua isn’t destroyed, we just destabilised it when we brought it back out the Void, and no

[strange turtle]

What?? I’m talking about the twins

[strange plinth]

other than ballas trying to eat the sun during TNW, nothing happened to Sol
and Lua was shattered by the orokin building their structures + the moonquakes from being taken out of the void

[strange turtle]

They didn’t like twins because they had clone slaves, which were also identical

[normal mountain]

I know
They shunned twins
Why not eat a star to make a binary star system into a single star system?

[rare scarab]

I don't remember Ballas eating the sun at all lol

[strange turtle]

Are you drunk

[normal mountain]

No

[kindred barn]

Lua was a crumbling mess when we saw it in the void. My assumption was something happened to lua before it got put there and the ring was a kind of gravity system/physical anchor to keep all the chunks together enough to be a normal planetary body.

But i guess maybe it got out there during an attack. Sentient had star eaters, why not planet crackers

[restive river]

Putting something into the void isn’t great for it, since the method of putting it and pulling it out is Orokin tech they may have designed it for that purpose
Though I want to say it was crumbling during the Old War too but we only see it for a split second then iirc

[strange plinth]

-# Ballas: "My people. Long have you waited for the sign. I have delivered it! Look to the sky! It grows darker by the moment. That darkness gathers strength. Strength enough to open the Void and bear me onward to sacred Tau!"
-# Ballas: "What will become of you, my people, my flock? You will join me there, of course... but by another path. The path of sacrifice. The path of oblivion. Cleansed of all doubt, for you will peer into the pitch of day and find the SUN is gone. Its heart rendered, beating in my hand... the cost of my passage!"
he was using praghasa to do it, but he intended to utilize the sun to go to tau

[rare scarab]

feel like it wouldn't be too crazy for Tau Sentinels civ to be a Type 2 Civ

[strange turtle]

Lotus: "The Stalker is heading toward the Void Control Room. Track the—"

Hunhow: "Collapse the Void, Shadow, so that my fragments may attack. The Tenno hearts will beat their last."

Lotus: "No! If the Void is collapsed, the Reservoir will be destroyed, and you and the rest of the Tenno will be lost. Get to the Void Control Room and stop the Stalker."

Alad V: "Hiding the Moon in the Void – quite the magic trick, Lotus. But Tenno, you must be asking yourself, 'Where is this heart, if not in my chest?'"

Stalker: "It is done."

Hunhow: "The Moon will soon be crushed by the weight of the Void. The sky will be as it should be."

Alad V: "Void collapse? Oh no; it would be such a shame to lose the Moon so soon after finding it. Of course, you could just put it back in its rightful place, couldn't you Lotus?"

Lotus: "I didn't want to have to do this, but the collapse is imminent. If the Reservoir is to survive we need to pull the Moon out of the Void. Here, help me disrupt Void Compasses to reorient the Moon."

[strange plinth]

iirc lua is already like that when we see it during the Erra cutscene

• roathe has a few lines about the orokin shattering/gutting it

[rare scarab]

I see, ig the Tenno don't really have the aptitude to try and utilize Sol after this?

[restive river]

Makes sense since they were resource hungry

[rare scarab]

Like what are the other Tenno other than the Special one like? Can any of em be smart enough to try and make a Dyson Swarm around the Sun?

[restive river]

Dyson spheres are impossible due to lack of resources

[rare scarab]

I said Swarm

[kindred barn]

Crack the moon to steal its heart and eventually use the resources of the wider system to glue it back together later.

[rare scarab]

Also this is warframe

[strange turtle]

We don’t know and they won’t need go

[restive river]

And yet there’s no Dyson sphere no swarm

[strange plinth]

no real reason to
everything the tenno use still has access to the Infinite Energy Dimension (the void)

[restive river]

If anyone would have made that that’d be the Orokin

[rare scarab]

Thats true, but its held by a Cthulu like figure

[restive river]

Wally isn’t control of all of the void nor has that impacted our power at all

[strange plinth]

wally is a being in the void, not the whole void

[kindred barn]

Is it just me or does the heart of demos not really make sense?

[restive river]

The only time voidtech is at risk is when Grandma put the Heart at risk and the Tenno themselves were fine

[rare scarab]

so could Tenno be considered outside of the Kardeshev's Level?

[strange turtle]

No they literally don’t have the resources or output to be making something on that scale.

Ignoring the Tenno and allies’ limitations as factions the system one of the reasons they wanted to colonise Tau was resources depletion

[strange plinth]

its a wifi router, in a way
pumps void power to the whole system

[strange turtle]

Outside in that they don’t go on the scale to begin with

Not in that they break it

[kindred barn]

Feels like far too small of a structure for that tho.

[rare scarab]

I could consider the Tenno and Lotus a miniature civilization

[restive river]

We have infinite energy essentially but it’s not like we have the resources nor time to focus on making say, a giant battery
Closest we got is the Heart

[strange turtle]

Not what I meant

[restive river]

Not really?

[strange turtle]

Ignoring that the Kardashev scale isn’t built to handle something like them, it’s not enough to just have the source of energy, you have to be harnessing that amount

[restive river]

The heart just pumps void energy into the system for void tech to use, I could see the argument that the funnel is too small but that doesn’t actually seem to be the case

[kindred barn]

A "heart' the size of a small room for the whole system. Just dosnt feel big enough...maybe there are other methods and the heart is for "smaller" things like warframes I guess.

[rare scarab]

well they harnessing power via another dimension tho right?

[strange turtle]

Exactly

You literally can’t put them on the scale because they don’t have a corresponding tier

[restive river]

The Heart should just be for all void tech, you call it small but it’s outputting infinite energy essentially

The funnel size doesn’t matter when the output is infinite so long as the Heart stays active

[strange turtle]

There’s expanded tiers on the scale made by others, and unless there was one that specified the usage of a dimension they wouldn’t fit on those either

[strange turtle]

Nah, Heart is for all of it

[strange plinth]

all of the junctions shutting down for like 20 minutes:

[rare scarab]

are you saying it goes beyond 3? or you don't believe in the other lvls after 3?

[restive river]

They’re saying they’re not on the scale at all

[strange turtle]

Kardashev Scale has 3, but other people have made there own extended versions with it as a base

But also what Ducky said yeah

[strange turtle]

I know there’s one that goes up to like, 16, but it’s also powerscaling bs if I remember right

[rare scarab]

what is missing from the tenno from getting on the Scale at all?

[strange plinth]

• i'm not sure if the tenno are making anything new that utilizes void power, or if its just based on orokin tech n blueprints

[restive river]

Well they aren’t even a civilization for one

[rare scarab]

alr true

not a big one

[restive river]

This too
Everything we make comes from the Orokin in some shape or form

[strange turtle]

2 things

• A system or tier to account for the usage of a dimension rather than the options presented
• the fact that they don’t make use of the infinite energy, and only have access to it

[restive river]

The Tenno did/do have a culture but I wouldn’t call them a defined civilization
We don’t have a homeland, we’re practically nomadic

[rare scarab]

do incarnons not count

[restive river]

Also the Tenno are uh. Children?
Like physically, in terms of experiences they’re older than their body but mentally and physically the tenno themselves are at most really smart kids

[restive river]

No, the tenno didn’t even make those

[rare scarab]

true

[restive river]

The Incarnons are just conceptually embodied upgrades to weapons from Cav’s mind

[ocean geyser]

I wouldn’t really put a small army of voidtouched child mercenaries on the scale

Literally all they do is fight people

[strange turtle]

If it was just about access we’d be at 2 because we live in a solar system and have solar panels, Kardaschev necessitates the active use and/or storage of all or very significant portions of that energy, which both we and the Tenno don’t do

[restive river]

The Tenno aren’t making void batteries and I don’t know if the Orokin ever did either

[tacit pagoda]

arent they from earth? i thought drifter mentions something like that

[strange turtle]

Not specifically

[restive river]

It’s possible void energy needs to constantly flow and can’t be stored

[ocean geyser]

They could have been from everywhere

[rare scarab]

there gotta be one smart tenno at least

[ocean geyser]

Most are smart

[restive river]

They are yes but Earth is uh. Bad rn
Closest thing to a homeland the Tenno have is the Zariman

[rare scarab]

well inventor tenno

archimede lvl tenno

[restive river]

We are smart
But we aren’t making a civilization

[ocean geyser]

The tenno don’t really have a government

[restive river]

The Tenno’s focus is on protecting innocent and civilian life, keeping the balance of the system as best they can

[ocean geyser]

To narrow things down
You are asking where the United States military should go on the scale

[rare scarab]

ya really need more tenno based mission tbh

[ocean geyser]

That is effectively the closest comparison i can draw

[restive river]

In the larger civilization that is the system we’re vigilantes

[strange turtle]

We have Tenno engineers, but we’re unsure if that means Tenno Operatives (the Lotus’ skin-suit guys), Tenno Operators (thats us), or if there was a group of past engineers the Orokin assigned to making us stuff

[strange plinth]

closest thing is the lotus
there's the "tenno council" in older lore but i'm not sure if that was even canon then or just a way to bridge the community and the game

[ocean geyser]

I thought the Tenno Council was just DE ngl 😭

[rare scarab]

I imagine they all have their own goals and personalities, also they do be playing both sides proxy wars with the syndicate I think

[restive river]

There seems to have been a lot of Tenno jobs but I do believe it’s unclear as to if they were Tenno Tenno or not, like you said

[ocean geyser]

Even then most Tenno gear is just based off Orokin designs

[restive river]

Yes they do but they also all listen to the Lotus cause
They’re kids
And that’s their mom

We play both sides so we can retain peace, if either the Corpus or Grineer became more powerful idk if the Tenno could handle them as both sides outnumber the Tenno

By keeping them infighting we have to fight less and can focus on civilians

[rare scarab]

why have we not seen our tenno communicate much with other tenno story wise lol

[ocean geyser]

The Tenno and our frames are basically shock troops

[strange plinth]

also included DE, but like
iirc nova was a forum-designed/concepted frame? and her profile video mentioned the council i believe

[ocean geyser]

:0

[restive river]

Closest we got is operations ig
Technically we are two tenno communicating but that’s not story-wise 😔

[rare scarab]

Special Tenno doesn't like talking with other Tenno

[fast dew]

You could count rell, but he isnt really a tenno

[restive river]

Her and Xaku were fan-designed frames

[fast dew]

So thats why Xaku is peak

[restive river]

Main character syndrome

[ocean geyser]

A tenno in name rather than function at least

[restive river]

Oh they started out broken in the bad way lol

[ocean geyser]

Cause he easily could have been a Tenno

[restive river]

Xaku’s Vast Untime only pauses ability duration cause of the community

[strange turtle]

Syndicate death squads are a non-canon holdover from the earlier days, I think.

It never comes up, even in stuff to do with the factions, it didn’t really make sense for us to just take that lying down back then even with the obvious justification and it really doesn’t now, doesn’t really make sense for most if not all of the syndicates who do it anyway, and doesn’t gel well with the roles we can take in relation to them through quests

[restive river]

And Xaku being a community in of themself makes them a perfect community frame
Nova’s cool too

[ocean geyser]

Nova got a funny head

[restive river]

Suda’s a pacifist why she sending a murder squad 😭

[ocean geyser]

Clearing up waste

[fast dew]

Sometimes a pacifist gets tired

[restive river]

You have bad taste in music if she comes after you

[fast dew]

Or, she doesnt even see you as human/equal

[restive river]

Baruuk’s edge meter

[restive river]

That is NOT in character for her lmao

[ocean geyser]

Tbf she literally does call people in negative ranks “organic waste”

[fast dew]

I mean, isnt that-

[rare scarab]

so its just all gameplay and just a way we get to know syndicates and shit

[fast dew]

Yeah that line

[ocean geyser]

Suda racism

[fast dew]

She views us as waste product

[strange turtle]

Back then it fit better with the mildly darker general tone and our weaker position, both in gameplay and lore, but even then it was a weak thing

[fast dew]

And what do we do with waste?

Murder it!

[restive river]

Nah it’s cause your music taste

[ocean geyser]

Music racism

Must be leftover bits of hunhow

[strange turtle]

Put it in the wooden box in the garden for the bugs

Or the comp post

[ocean geyser]

Bad tenno go in the garden box

[restive river]

Ngl it does not even make sense as a punishment in gameplay

[fast dew]

Were becoming compost... to feed the flowers..........

[restive river]

Like oh no you literally are incapable of being chill with this syndicate?
Punished

[strange turtle]

Amaryn:

[ocean geyser]

Simaris deepfakes an image of suda and sends drones after you

Trust 🙏

[restive river]

Kuva compost makes alien flowers go brr maybe?

[strange turtle]

Hunter, I can explain, I needed data for The Synthesis

[ocean geyser]

Can’t believe she’s still racist after the silver grove moment

[restive river]

Ik that’s a theory
Idk if I buy it but the liquified kuva soldiers being what makes Xenoflora do what it does has got to be a theory

[fast dew]

Oh yeah apparently Albrecht has a pot of temple kuva in the netracells???

[strange turtle]

Ik you didn’t mean it but that makes that one thing Roathe said even grimmer but also kinda poetic 😭

Oh wait nvm that is what you meant

[restive river]

That’s literally the least surprising thing he has lol

[fast dew]

Whatever the hell hes using it for i kinda dont wanna know

[ocean geyser]

He wanted to try out that Unum brew

Must be better than the Orokin’s

[tall echo]

How does albrecht have temple kuva

[restive river]

Yeah lmao
Idk if I buy it being the reason the xenoflora is that way but at most it had to have been good fertilizer

[ocean geyser]

Bigass ostron pot

[strange turtle]

Drinking that Temple Champagne while smoking that nestawood pack

[restive river]

Me when an Orokin has something they should just have

[ocean geyser]

Lmfao

[tall echo]

I

[restive river]

There were other towers
Like
This isn’t a surprise

Heck there could have been one on Deimos, we don’t know

[ocean geyser]

But yeah someone posted screenshots here

[tall echo]

Temple kuva is exclusive to the unum

[restive river]

We only ever see like 3?

[restive river]

Now
Cause
She’s the only tower left

[strange turtle]

Watered with the blood of 63 Orowyrms

[ocean geyser]

It’s literally just a big ceramic ostron pot leaking a red fluid

[restive river]

I don’t think we know enough about the other towers

[restive river]

Wait fr

[tall echo]

Albrecht's temple kuva is in an ostron container

[restive river]

Ok so no that is just from the Unum then

[ocean geyser]

Ues

[restive river]

Which depending on when the Ostrons were around that still isn’t insane

[ocean geyser]

Just incredibly specific

[tall echo]

I think some dev put it there bc kuva without considering the implications

[strange turtle]

The “Unum-Era” Ostrons are post Orokin collapse

Before they were space nomad merchants

[ocean geyser]

Maybe he appreciates the Unum’s stuff

Unum got that good shi

[restive river]

So he had to have time travelled to the Unum-Era

[rare scarab]

I forget, have the Sentinels gotten their hands on Kuva?

[strange turtle]

Sentients and I think for a bit?

[restive river]

That’s what the Eidolon wanted

[rare scarab]

oops thats what i meant

[ocean geyser]

That’s the reason they attacked POE in NW

[restive river]

Speaking of Sentinels
I require Sentinel lore
I will never not talk about this
They are sentient puppies

[ocean geyser]

although that was probably just to manufacture narmer veils

[restive river]

It was

The veils are made using temple kuva/orokin tower bits

[ocean geyser]

They could have also just attacked the Kuva Fortress but maybe that would have been harder

[strange turtle]

Sentinels are (most of) the drones we use, and normally I wouldn’t bother correcting its not that had of a typo, but they are there own little kind of Sentients so it can get confusing if just left

[restive river]

The Narmer Mirrors likely use Kuva too

[fast dew]

I feel as if thats what happens a lot with the netracells

[restive river]

That’s not Temple Kuva

[ocean geyser]

Does the Unum’s Kuva just
Work differently in more ways than i realized

[fast dew]

Though I will always, always believe that them putting duviri in the netracells was intentional and was supposed to show Albrecht caring for his daughter

[restive river]

It is distinctly different iirc

[rare scarab]

oh ya Red Veil with the sentients ofc, dont remember all the sentient lore and what makes Archon Shards so special

[restive river]

The Veils likely use the Kuva to read you and thus know exactly how to give you the comfort you need to fall victim to it

[restive river]

The shards use Anti-Entropic energy

[ocean geyser]

The whole thing about the shards is that they can be used to revive dead/dying sentients

That’s why we let the lotus eat them

[restive river]

We could totally make a hammer out of Archon Shards and slam it into Wally

[ocean geyser]

Use it on Hunhow first so he can get off his ass and do something

Bro’s taking the longest bath in history

[strange plinth]

bonk

[rare scarab]

was this in New War? I dont remember us feeding her that

[tall echo]

In a fart ocean, no less

[restive river]

Since the shards are Anti-Entropic and can revive a Sentient from death/being unalive they likely act as a stabilizer while having other beneficial effects

[ocean geyser]

New War yes
The whole reason we fight the archons is to give them to her

It’s when she attempts to bite the drifter

[restive river]

We fed her 2 and then she sucked the last one out if Ballas

[strange plinth]

she almost bites us the first time, tries to kill us the second time, and consumes the last while killing ballas

[tall echo]

-# heh

[strange turtle]

Give him a whole like.

If any of y’all have watched Voltron, you know the giant Crystal Core the Castle had? Yeah we need to give him the Archon Shard equivalent of that and get him to be the armour for our Vessel (the big grey giants)

[restive river]

She ain’t marg
Stop

[rare scarab]

All of new war is lost in my memory

[ocean geyser]

Replay it broski

[restive river]

But how and for where
Cause we can’t take him to Tau

[fast dew]

Operator waddling up to Loid carrying too many archon shards

Shit is strapped to their chest, legs arms and hands

[restive river]

I do wonder how Lotus will get to Tau since the first trip damaged her reproduction and that was with Pragahsa acting as a shield

[ocean geyser]

I feel like Wally would beat Hunhow’s ass though
Even if we used him as armour
I feel like taking him to fight the giant void man is generally a bad idea when he has a void allergy

[rare scarab]

So what were the archons up to b4 we came to take their shards?

[strange turtle]

We’ll mix Nova portals with an Archon-boosted version of the warp thing Murexes have

[ocean geyser]

Amar’s in the Old peace

[jolly root]

No

[ocean geyser]

That answers your question

[restive river]

Narmer was enslaving the entire system?

[tall echo]

I wanna make a bunch of archon shards fuse at the center to create a big morningstar hammer

[jolly root]

The poor dog

[ocean geyser]

RGB archon shard

[restive river]

Pfft
Now that’s a new idea for how we get to Tau

[strange turtle]

Alternatively we go into the Void and Hunhow is protected while the shards enhance him

[rare scarab]

right, would narmer been considered type 2?

they were tryna harness the sun right

[ocean geyser]

That or he has to take the long way

[tall echo]

Diabetes?

[restive river]

No

[restive river]

No
That was just Ballas using Grandma’s corpse to eat the sun, extinguishing it so he could make a jump to Tau.

[strange turtle]

And then we do that one move from the silly super Gundam show with a finger to rub Wally’s lack of one in before he gets disintergated by our familial love and anti-entropy

[strange turtle]

Kardashev Scale

[restive river]

Warframe’s civilizations don’t go past type 1 at the least
The Sentients could be further along but I doubt that as they too would have a resource problem

[tall echo]

I don't know what that is...

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/shining-finger-domon-kasshu-g-gundam-gundam-sword-gif-20556400

[jolly root]

Hypothetical levels of civilization scaling

[strange turtle]

#lore-discussion message

[rare scarab]

Idk much about Tau system, I imagine it would be easy for them to get to the Origin while expanding as a type 2 or more

Are we 100% it would be on par with IRL's Tau?

[restive river]

We don’t really know anything but uh. No I doubt they’re at Type 2

[strange turtle]

No we already know it’s not 1:1 with IRL Tau

Just inspired

[restive river]

The issue with civilization scaling is the resource costs, Tau doesn’t seem to have as many planets as the Origin System and thus does not have as many resources

[rare scarab]

I forget Sentients aren't considered AGIs

fraud AIs

Fraud Sci-fi AI

[restive river]

Even assuming the sentients didn’t make any new sentients once they got there they very likely don’t have enough resources to go beyond type 1, if they’re even type 1.

The Sentients are true AI

[rare scarab]

ya in the name, but not AGI

[restive river]

They should be from what I’m reading on it

[rare scarab]

ya ig they basicall just humans ig

[restive river]

The Sentients are on a human level in terms of cognition and very well may have surpassed the Orokin

[fast dew]

They are fully artificial and were capable of reproduction until the void sterilised them

[restive river]

They’re not human but they are sapient beings

[fast dew]

[rare scarab]

forget if Orokin have themselve internet

[restive river]

Nope

[fast dew]

They do not

Albrecht might be the only exception

[restive river]

Closest thing is the Weave ig and that’s for Cephalons

[rare scarab]

frickass Scifi civilization

[fast dew]

They dont need internet

[rare scarab]

but 1999 people do

[restive river]

The Internet would allow for easier unification against the Orokin (assuming Civilians had access), it makes sense that they don’t have it
But Old Earth Internet was likely destroyed a long time ago

[fast dew]

Yes, and theyre not orokin

[rare scarab]

Just have it be exclusive to Orokin simple

[fast dew]

We dont need internet

[restive river]

The Techrot def ate the Internet, we know it can eat code and after 18 radiation wars and tyrannical dictators gaining control uh
Yeah no internet.

[restive river]

That’s a database then not the internet

[strange turtle]

They could have like, intranet, or even just a very secure orokin version of the internet, but at the very least it didn’t exist on the level Drifter was at/that of the common people (including upper classes that weren’t proper higher up in the heirarchy like Orokin, Dax, and Archimedeans)

[restive river]

Also again
Old Internet is def gone

[fast dew]

Im tired of scifi relying on internet for shit

Scifi doesn't mean hyperadvanced technology, it means fictional technology. Having a world built on something like steampunk would be scifi, wouldn't it?

[rare scarab]

Warframe do be closely inspired by Star Wars, they don't really have Internet either and were going for more Sci-fantasy too ig

[strange turtle]

If could very well not exist at all due to it’s being a big method of how the Techrot spread in 1999, but tbh that’s boring af and it’s not like it was the only vulnerability that remains, and Techrot got eradicated or obsoleted anyway

[restive river]

What

Aside from your typical sci-fi tropes how is Warframe inspired by Star Wars

[strange turtle]

Star wars does have internet though?

[restive river]

It’s more sci-fi anime inspired if anything

[strange turtle]

It has the Holonet

[rare scarab]

Space Ninja - Space Monk Samurai/Knight with Magic Powers granted by Seemingly all powerful Entities like beings and Bucket head dumb clone troopers, tho ig Star Wars is like Scifi's LOTR

also War in the name

Warframe def inspired by Star Wars like most Sci-fi stuff

[restive river]

What seemingly all powerful entity grants powers in star wars?

I would not say the Tenno are like the Jedi like
At all

Also clones aren’t Star Wars specific

[rare scarab]

The Force

[restive river]

That’s not an all powerful entity

[rare scarab]

Yes

[strange plinth]

the force is a
well
force, not an entity

[rare scarab]

I count it as one

[strange turtle]

I mean the force is, very obviously not all-powerful, given that it can be unbalanced

[rare scarab]

The Force is like the Void

[restive river]

Yeah

[strange turtle]

Forgot to change replies mb

[restive river]

No… not really…

[strange turtle]

There are some Force Entities in the extended/other writer stuff, but I’m pretty sure they don’t grant power either

[restive river]

I do think you can very likely stretch most Sci-fi media to be potential inspirations for Warframe but I can tell you with certainty the main inspirations are more so anime and less so Star Wars

[strange plinth]

if you simplify both to an extreme measure, maybe
devil's in the details n all that

[restive river]

First force entity I think of is the one in the cells
Mitoclorians or whatever

[rare scarab]

well obviously Warframe isn't gonna copy and paste the force

Void Powers are like Lawful Evil Force

[strange plinth]

that'd be more wally than the void

[restive river]

What

[strange turtle]

Oh I mean like, actual Wally-style stuff, like The Father guy

[rare scarab]

I ain't explaining what I mean

[restive river]

Yeah the void itself doesn’t do anything and even with the powers Wally gave us we aren’t actively evil with them

[restive river]

So you don’t have an explanation?

[strange turtle]

Void isn’t evil, nor is it at all equivalent to the Force except that both give powers, and even those are different in multiple ways

[rare scarab]

well they both space magic

[restive river]

You’re simplifying things to the point that you can make connections anywhere

That’s not an actual connection you’re dulling the puzzle pieces to the point you force them to fit

[strange turtle]

Warhammer and Destiny also have space magic but you don’t see people saying that they’re the same (beyond the idea of “paracausality”) either

[rare scarab]

I never said they were exactly the same, I said Inspration

[restive river]

I didn’t say same
I said connection
If it’s inspired then there’s a clear connection and beyond “space magic” there isn’t one.

[strange plinth]

space magic is hardly a unique concept either way

[strange turtle]

I mean the warrior-monk with powers that keeps the peace bit connects, but the only thing they really share is that they use swords, and even then its not the same

[restive river]

Baruuk is the closest thing to an actual Jedi and uh
That’s not a Jedi

[rare scarab]

Does the amount of connections to something make it more of a inspration then a few things?

I meant how many connections makes something a Inspiration*

[restive river]

I mean it would make the idea that it’s inspired by it stronger

[strange turtle]

Their powers aren’t the same, the source isn’t the same, the culture/philosophy and theming isn’t the same

At most you could say the backstory is inspired, with both serving a [area of space]-spanning civilisation, fighting a war for them alongside an army mostly made of clones, and then that civ falls, but even thats weak and the circumstances for it aren’t even the same

[rare scarab]

Twisted and Fricked up Force Powers

[restive river]

Warframe’s inspired by a lot of things, both fictional and real
But with Star Wars there’s nothing strong that really points to it being a major (or minor) inspiration

[strange turtle]

Again, they share almost nothing with force powers

They overlap over superficial things like the general idea of being able to do something or another with space magic, but you could say that about literally anything ever

[restive river]

It’s like saying Warframe is inspired by Star Wars cause we have laser guns

[strange turtle]

“Bioshock is inspired by star wars because you’ve got fighty guys with lightning and telekinesis and telepathy”

[restive river]

Human history is inspired by star wars cause people are in it and war happens /j

[rare scarab]

Warframe don't have cool fricking aliens with cool languages also

[restive river]

So that’s a point away from Star Wars

[rare scarab]

you mean warframe

[restive river]

No

This is more so a personal point but Warframe not having aliens is refreshing
It’s all humanity

Which
That is what the game is kinda about, humanity

[restive river]

I’ll specify
A point away from Warframe being INSPIRED by Star Wars

[jolly root]

Our powers are more like a dnd warlock

[rare scarab]

and Jedi are like Paladins ig

[restive river]

Yup!

[rare scarab]

or uh paladin monks

sorcerer also

both are like sorcerers

[restive river]

The Tenno aren’t like Sorcerers
Their powers aren’t innate

[rare scarab]

warframe got all dnd equivalents

[restive river]

Through the frames you can probably find a connection to almost every class or subclass in d&d

[silk atlas]

Was it Warlocks in D&D that got their powers gifted by some powerful being?

[rare scarab]

basically

[strange plinth]

typically through a deal-type arrangement, yes

[restive river]

Yes, Warlocks have a patron that grants them power

Wizards study for their magic
Warlocks make a deal / have a patron that grants them magic
Sorcerers are just born with their magic

[rare scarab]

What is the Egg our tenno go in to control Warframes called again?

[restive river]

Transference Pod?

[rare scarab]

ah

I don't remember if there is a Star Wars Equivalent

[restive river]

There isn’t

I just don’t think there’s as many equivalents or connections to Star Wars as you think there are

[rare scarab]

but they def are inspired

as most scifi ig

[waxen mesa]

Are the Tenno a bit of a boogeyman in the sense there are rumors but most people don't think they exist or are they well known about

[rare scarab]

need the Tenno to start making up their own weapons, or a Artificer Warframe that lets us make our weapons easier

[strange plinth]

vauban

[rare scarab]

I thought they were well known

[rare scarab]

he ain't making shit

brain enhancing Warframe

use Mag to make the stuff

stuff faster*

[strange plinth]

most of the system don't know the tenno exist, yeah
we hit specific places and stay away from civilian populations to not draw any attention to them

[silk atlas]

There was a conspiracy theory joke in Old Peace about the Tenno not being real

[rare scarab]

Like the Special Tenno?

I thought they meant Tenno in general

[silk atlas]

wdym "special"

[rare scarab]

the one we play as

[strange plinth]

the ostron and solaris are exceptions, as they already have attention on them

[strange turtle]

Nah they know we exist it’s just like

If you know 40k, how the majority of people don’t interact with Space Marines, so they’re effectively myths?

[silk atlas]

They aren't special. They'd just be any old Tenno like the others.

But yes they mean the Tenno in general

[rare scarab]

All Tenno went through everytthing the Storyline Tenno we play as went through?????

[strange plinth]

only way the 'chosen operator' is special is that they made the deal
but they have no additional power or way to differentiate them

[silk atlas]

No, it's that they aren't different capabilities-wise from any other Tenno besides the funny stuff with Drifter that wasn't their doing anyway.

[strange turtle]

It’s like that. You’re not going to actually know concrete info on them beyond the bare minimum as an average guy, but they’re a definite force that’s out there doing things in places

[silk atlas]

Differentiating our Tenno from the rest isn't relevant, especially when the Tenno in general are not something that's commonly known

[humble sierra]

The only thing that makes us special is that we did the deal, but we don't have any extra powers from the deal itself compared to other Tenno

[rare scarab]

So only one Tenno has Drifter making em special?

what about Umbra do All Tenno have Umbra?

[strange turtle]

They have the extra power of having to deal with the mental strain of knowing your other self is getting drunk and partying with their friends while they relived their friend-engagement falling apart

[silk atlas]

Not in the story no

[humble sierra]

No, there's only one Umbra

[rare scarab]

so there is a special Tennoi

Tennoi should be single name for a tenno

[silk atlas]

Only in that they're the protag and your player character. Like literally every other online game.

[humble sierra]

There's nothing special about Umbra though, he's like any other Warframe, it's just that unlike the others he was forced to keep one memory

[rare scarab]

I always thought it would be funny seeing like thousands of tennos going to Albrechts lab in Deimos and the Entrati's not questing it

questioning*

[silk atlas]

Yeah it's just the gameplay and lore not marrying up. Hex was the first place that veil was broken really hard

Or, well Duviri

[rare scarab]

Thats why I was also wondering why we don't have more tenno interacting and showing off their new stuff like shards/incarnons with each other in storylines ever

[strange plinth]

there were a bunch down there for gargoyle's cry, but i don't think there's anything 'set' on how many

[ocean geyser]

Iirc crossplay is literally just multiple timeline shenanigans

[strange plinth]

baro merged the servers, yea

[rare scarab]

would it be like gate kept by the first tenno who found the lab or something lol

only tenno lore wise who has qorvex and did the Old Peace

[strange plinth]

-# "As it happens, during my last foray into the Void, a dashing stranger presented me with the opportunity to refine all my selves into a single perfect individual. Of course, I shook hands on the deal immediately.
-# Now every Tenno will visit the same Baro Ki'Teer, with the same items, at the same time."

-# "As a result of my little arrangement, the realms are not merely aligned. They have connected. And the walls between them have come tumbling down.
-# You may now, if you choose, socialize, sojourn and sally forth with Tenno from other dimensions of existence!
-# Cross freely. Come together as never before.
-# What a magnificent bargain I, Baro Ki'Teer, have struck. I do hope that charming stranger passes my way again.
-# I fancy I can hear opportunity rap-tap-tapping at my door, even now!"

[rare scarab]

Therefore The Special Tenno who has Umbra, Drifter, did 1999 and did Old Peace, comes back with all the frames and stuff from those places and gets canceled by the other Tenno for gate keeping

[strange plinth]

nothing says they can't share
but the Chosen Operator is the first one to the labs, qorvex, the only one with a Drifter, etc. yea

[rare scarab]

Could the accessories in Warframe lorewise been crafted by the Tenno?

they just get shit and slap it on themselves lol

ephemeras aren't void powered right?

what if lore wise the Market is just other Tenno selling the shit they made

except the protos

like the market that DE gives us

[rare scarab]

Special Tenno ain't sharing

[ocean geyser]

Imagine having to explain what happened during Jade Shadows to everyone 😭

[rare scarab]

I imagine other Tenno would question why the Special one got Human Frames

like controlling them

DE is missing out potential for Meta Tenno interactions

[strange plinth]

they might only have access to kaya and the triad
if the operator has access to them at all

[restive river]

We’ve had that since Cetus and Fortuna

[rare scarab]

They missed out on one of the Triad questioning what other Tenno been up to or if they have other Tenno Friends

[restive river]

In theory the Operator can go to 1999 through Transference and the Infestation but if they don’t utilize that then yeah all they have access to is Kaya (good ending) and the Triad (time portal)

[rare scarab]

in the Kim*

[restive river]

They missed out on a lot of questions we could have asked Roathe tbh

[rare scarab]

unless we just didn't choose the options

i havent read all the interactions

[restive river]

What is Oro
What is Kuva
Where does Kuva come from
How long has the empire been around
What is Anti-void
How did you replicate the fingers
Etc etc etc etc

[rare scarab]

ah no gifs dang it

[rare scarab]

Special Tenno when he figures out Anti-void technique and combines them together

[restive river]

I do seriously wanna know what anti-void is lol

They casually bring it up with the Cavia’s revival

[rare scarab]

when was anti-void talked about b4

ah

[rare scarab]

Surely Tau will answer, all we need is whatever they did to the Sun during NW to do that again

Sol*

[strange plinth]

..which would consume the sun

[rare scarab]

Void Time Travel each time easy

Just master Anti-Void techniques and Combine them to create true control of Time Bullshit

[restive river]

Loid: "Incandescent. Some kind of… chromatic volatility? A side effect of Void and anti-Void and something I can't quite identify… a reaction that saved your lives but… did that."

[restive river]

The something Loid couldn’t identify is likely love/the bond of the Cavia

[strange plinth]

we're-
we're not dooming a system just to get to tau
and time travel doesn't fix that?

[restive river]

We don’t need to eat the sun, killing the entire system to get to Tau.

[restive river]

I know you’re joking but it’s not a technique, we don’t know what it is

[strange plinth]

assuming the solar rail is still intact on the tau side, we'd just need to rebuild the origin side one
which pazuul has presumably been trying to do already

[rare scarab]

It would be cool if the Spcial Tenno manage to create their own School from that tho

[restive river]

And even if we can’t rebuild it we could always go to Yonta for ideas, girl literally knows how to get to Tau if we could do it again

[restive river]

From what?
We don’t even know what it is, just that it’s not void
How would that be a focus school?

[rare scarab]

Now would Anti-Void Power be able to stop Wally from whatever thing he felt like doing

[strange plinth]

true
wonder if we could take the reliquary drive out of the zariman. the zariman itself needs to stay, but if we need something powerful enough for the jump, the drive's still there

[restive river]

The focus schools existed so we could focus and control our VOID abilities
Anti-void isn’t something we have, we don’t even know what it is.

[restive river]

We don’t know what Anti-Void is and we have methods to stop him already through love and defying indifference

[rare scarab]

feel like the name itself is enough for me to assume

[restive river]

We could also just use a souped up Railjack or even find another finger if the plot demands it

The rail being rebuilt is the most obvious answer, at least for the long run
Our initial return may not utilize it

[rare scarab]

it would be Blur School of Thought

Instead of one thing its everything

[restive river]

You’re assuming what it is based off purely the name when we don’t really know anything about it at all
Anti-void could literally just be spacetime

[rare scarab]

makes sense but still lame for an anti-magic

[restive river]

So jack of all trades, master of none

[restive river]

The void isn’t magic

[rare scarab]

there more to that phrase that would make it the strongest

A jack of all trades is a master of none, but oftentimes better than a master of one

[restive river]

Yeah idk if that makes it the strongest, more so the most versatile

[rare scarab]

it does a lil bit of every ability slot from every focus

[restive river]

Which we already are incredibly versatile, just cause you use a support school doesn’t mean you are locked to a support frame
You yourself choose how much of a master you are of one vs all

[restive river]

So there’s 5 schools and you’d need to take into account Tauron strikes so you either condense the 5 into being 1.5 abilities each with a Tauron that does a bit of everything

[rare scarab]

also the magic weapon will have existence erasure or some shit lol

[restive river]

Yeah I don’t think that works

[rare scarab]

ah ya tauron strike

[restive river]

If they were going to introduce a new focus school they likely would have done it already tbh

[rare scarab]

well its not a focus school

[restive river]

The Focus Schools are the Schools of thought for the Tenno, it’s how they regulate and utilize their newfound abilities
If it’s not a Focus School then it doesn’t relate to our abilities

[rare scarab]

all i am saying Anti-void def has an anime feel to it that could be added to our arsenal

[restive river]

Based off the name alone

[rare scarab]

does feel Anti-Wally too

[restive river]

In it’s one mention we don’t even get any info on it

[restive river]

If it was it would have come up

[rare scarab]

the vibes are there

[rare scarab]

just hasn't catched the Tenno's eye

[restive river]

Wally’s weakness atm is the fact he lacks his finger and he’s practically allergic to love
That’s what we have

[rare scarab]

Yep

[restive river]

Didn’t catch Albrecht’s eye either and he’s the dude who’s fighting Wally.

He’s also like
The void expert? The void scientist

[rare scarab]

isn't there some conspiracy on what Albrecht true intentions or something

was he not being controlled

[restive river]

No

[rare scarab]

what was scary voice

[restive river]

Albrecht wants to stop Wally
That has been his goal forever

I think you’re confusing Wally’s ability to show up as anyone as him controlling Albrecht

Wally has shown up as Albrecht a few times now

That doesn’t mean Albrecht’s being controlled

[rare scarab]

was Albrecht responsible for Tau weapons?

[restive river]

Wally’s shown up as Yonta, Baro, Albrecht, Loid, Russalka, the Operator
He can just take on any form he wants and has not shown to mind control anyone beyond the literal possession of Russalka

[restive river]

No
But Define Tau weapons

The Tauron Strikes?

[rare scarab]

the ones nun lady sells

nun wisp

[restive river]

Those are a culmination of the Tenno Focus Schools and the Sentients

[strange plinth]

... Marie.

[restive river]

It’s a cultural mishmash