lore-discussion

[ocean geyser]

😔

[dreamy peak]

Ballas seems to like you

[green beacon]

Ngl, Mesa would’ve had a cool prime trailer

[ocean geyser]

I remember seeing a theory that Nidus is/was a Plague Star

[dreamy peak]

I know of that. Hence why i wanna make fan lore. I just need a good base to know how to make it.

[green beacon]

Plague star?

[dreamy peak]

I dont wanna make completely outlandish fan lore. Just something thats plausible lore wise.

[ocean geyser]

Like the boil on PoE

[opaque zenith]

In resume, a full infested comet

[ocean geyser]

Yeag

[strange plinth]

mhm, and i'm saying there isn't much to base on
she has her in-game descriptions and nothing else, afaik

[ocean geyser]

In universe it’s just called a Boil

[green beacon]

Those guys

[ocean geyser]

Which makes sense considering it basically is

[dreamy peak]

I think im bad at explaining stuff😭

Im not exactly asking for zepher lore, im asking for general warframe lore. Lore that applys to most if not, all the frames that those people must experience to be turned into a frame.

[green beacon]

So is nidus just PURE infestation, or did he have a host before becoming a frame

[dreamy peak]

As i know, all the frames had a host. Including nidus.

[opaque zenith]

Acording to Drifter in ArthurRank6Convo7, pure, unadulterated Infestation

[dreamy peak]

Ah i havent gotten to that conversation yet. Sorry then.

[strange plinth]

oh, then
you have the basics of it, they used to be people and were turned into frames. the process seems to be incredibly painful, though it might be less so if it is undergone willingly(?)
there's the 'conflict' between keeping sanity and the infested madness, which you can see a little bit of in the seven crimes of kullervo
ofc that's just the "gen 1" frames, the "gen 2" frames are almost completely hollow, just used for the tenno to pilot

[opaque zenith]

But could have a human as "template" still

[green beacon]

That give me a question, So with in tempestarii was he the none hollow sev

Sevagoth

[strange turtle]

Yes

[dreamy peak]

Theres multiple gens of warframes?

[green beacon]

And none hollow frames with the host, they can freely move as pleased?

[green beacon]

I’d assumed turned and crafted frames

[strange turtle]

Depends

[strange turtle]

Not officially, but yeah

[opaque zenith]

Kind of a "drawning skrech" to give a desirable form, since the infestation is not good at keeping human forms (see, any model really)

[topaz pawn]

in a sense. theres the "original" frames, created directly using helminths strain on a person, and frames that are printed from the foundry

[opaque zenith]

Most "hollow frame" would be Xaku, and Rev Prime in a way

[strange plinth]

the first set were sapient, direct conversions from their hosts
but they had issues with loyalty, whether due to actually rebelling or infested madness, so they were shelved
then the rhino prime codex events happened, and they found out the tenno could "calm" the feral frames
then they, yk, weaponized the children and let them pilot the frames

[strange turtle]

Not what that means

[green beacon]

Caliban?

[opaque zenith]

Alr I misread the question then

[green beacon]

Hollow as in no host for the frame

[opaque zenith]

Hybrid

[topaz pawn]

all frames do carry some vestige of their personhood regardless of how they were created. can explain this via muscle memory or just like. weird stuff to do with souls

[strange plinth]

doesn't even need weird soul stuff, really
they've been subsumed into the infestation, and the frames are infestation

[topaz pawn]

yeah true

[opaque zenith]

Them Rev Prime, unless thin air is a host. He just, showed up someday

[dreamy peak]

OOOOOOOOH.

That explains prime vs original alot better. Both the normal and prime versions once coexisted , like prime vanguard being closer warriors of the orokin and the normal ones being the more easily controlled ones.

Well i know prime vangaurd

[strange turtle]

“Hollow” is just what we call them because there’s barely anything left of the mind. There’s no person anymore, but there’s little pieces of them left behind (the animation sets, and presumably that one moment in TSD where your frame pulls War out of it)

[dreamy peak]

Idk if the normal ones were "easier" to control or not. I just know they HAD to exist
Old peace spoilers.
||urbel being normal in the quest and what not||

[strange plinth]

in 99% of cases, both the original and prime version coexisted during the orokin empire
rev and rev prime being the exception, as rev prime existed before the warden could falter and become revenant
and temple, sorta

[strange turtle]

Crafting isn’t the thing that determines
it

[strange turtle]

Controllability wasn’t a factor, Primes were just made better

[opaque zenith]

On point, I'll just say that I think is less of a control issue and more of a easier mass-production issue, and a hint of entitledness to keep the primes to the elite only

[topaz pawn]

primes are just fancy versions of frames that were made for (mostly) the sake of opulence

[dreamy peak]

Gotcha. Thanks a bunch, this info is really helpful

[strange turtle]

More expensive, so reserved for frames deemed capable enough to be worth going through the effort, and presumably used for specific things as part of the Vanguard (like how we only saw Primes guarding the Resevoir)

[dreamy peak]

We can see primes defending the resevoir?

[strange plinth]

during the uhh erra cutscene?

[strange turtle]

Yes, during the scene when Lotus uses The Orphan Laser

[dreamy peak]

Oooooh! Man its been years since i seen that cutscene. I should rewatch it

[lean garden]

To clarify, all warframe designs required a human host. Constructed warframes after that merely reprint the transformed result. Nidus is no exception

As quincy would describe it, constructed warframes are "ethically sourced" although he doesnt care about that

[alpine pendant]

Albrecht Entrati is a bum and a fraud

[hexed jay]

I agree

[fast dew]

I disagree

There has been nothing he has done that is anywhere close to fraud, for one

[hexed jay]

Also damn, the pictures aren't loading for me -~ -

[opaque zenith]

I'm indifferent

[hexed jay]

A H

[fast dew]

And he is an active person when fighting wally, he just needed time

The vessels are one of the biggest examples

He just ran out of time, because he couldn't find a chosen operator

[hexed jay]

Let's start from the fact ||he accidentally cut off the finger of an entity he didn't understand and then used it for infinite energy||

[fast dew]

He. Didnt actually do it outside the research

[alpine pendant]

my genuine reaction to that information

[fast dew]

This also doesnt need to be spoilered, this is old news 😭

Like. Over 5 years old

[green beacon]

It’s Fred

[hexed jay]

We still get new Tennos tho

It's all fun to discorver this yourself

[fast dew]

Albrecht did the research, but the orokin actually used the fingers, it wasn't Albrecht

[alpine pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/say-that-again-gif-968943876633031890

[fast dew]

Albrecht also actively condemns the Zariman parade, calling it unholy, or whatever the wording was

[hexed jay]

The point is leave it.
Give it back, do anything but keep it

[fast dew]

He. Did try

We assume thats why he went into the void again to find wally

Wally never showed up for anyone after that

Kinda hard to return something if the person won't appear 😭

[alpine pendant]

he's a fraud because a lot of his actions with the Hex and the Devil's Triad have to be explained as "he knows more than you"

[fast dew]

Along with the fact he did not have the option to immediately return the fingers - being in the
m e m b r a n e and healing

[fast dew]

... the triad was him wanting to find redemption for himself?

[hexed jay]

Hey, I'm not saying he should have done it while he was basically in pieces

[pale cedar]

Jumped into the Void and it somehow didn’t kill him

[fast dew]

He went back into the void after and wally never showed up, how do we expect him to give the fingers back?

[hexed jay]

Push tje fingers in

[alpine pendant]

||and the techrot inoculations? what was that all about?||

[hexed jay]

Return to sender

[pale cedar]

Actually he didn’t seem to be injured at all

[fast dew]

And leave them there for some other rando orokin to probably yoink?

[fast dew]

That. What?

The cult stuff? Brother he didnt do that 😭

[alpine pendant]

||using the hex to turn people into silent carriers for the techrot?||

[fast dew]

Wally or Albrecht because Albrecht absolutely was

Nemesis don't make me find you

[hexed jay]

It is literally stated multiple times that travelling through the void was extremely dangerous so no

Nobody would have picked it up

[fast dew]

... something that. That he had no possible way of knowing that would happen??

[fast dew]

.. baro. Baro goes into the void regularly and picks shit up

[hexed jay]

Brother he did.
All the protoframes are protoframes because he gave them the injections which are a sort of mutation

[alpine pendant]

||he's the one who gave the inoculation to Lettie to inject into the civilians||

[hexed jay]

We do too, after the entrati technology

[alpine pendant]

||Lettie specifically says that the Hex are partially responsible for the outbreak because they trusted the doktor||

[fast dew]

Baro goes in regularly enough for wally to notice him, i feel as if a rando orokin isnt too far fetched

[fast dew]

.. I need a refresher on what inoculation means rq

[topaz pawn]

vaccine

[hexed jay]

Take syringe stab in flesh

Push liquid in

[alpine pendant]

👍

[fast dew]

Shit wrong word

[alpine pendant]

so I ask again, what was ||spreading the techrot through innocent civilians|| all about?

[fast dew]

That is mb, I was thinking of inculcate

Its late and im anxious about shit

Anyways

[hexed jay]

Easy, this is all in good fun -^ -

[north jolt]

I think the spread of techrot was going to always happen. Entrati just used it as a means to find subjects for his experiments with the helminth

[fast dew]

There has been no actual proof Albrecht intentionally did the vaccine stuff, its. Kinda hard to test the vaccine that stops infection when almost everyone is infected 😭

And the vaccine was separate to the protoserum

[hexed jay]

Which is decidedly worse

[fast dew]

Ehh. Its very much a. "They're all gonna die from the nukes (not the reactor) soon after anyways"

[alpine pendant]

yeah I said it was separate from the protoframe serums, that's why the civilians are silent carriers for techrot instead of being protoframes

[fast dew]

Which. Is another thing. Albrecht did not organise the reactor meltdown

[north jolt]

Entrati is a very problematic individual

[hexed jay]

It is

it? HE is

[fast dew]

He used it, yes, but he didn't purposefully do it

[alpine pendant]

I'm with my boy Tagfer on the subject of Entrati

[fast dew]

And thats fair

[north jolt]

I don't think Entrati is too stupid to not know what at least the risks would of been

[fast dew]

He knew the risks, he was also blown up in the reactor meltdown in previous loops 😭

[north jolt]

If the man can figure out time travel he can sure as hell guess what injecting weakened versions of techrot into people might do

[hexed jay]

I am Loid's side...with gritted teeth and frothing at the mouth.
I want that man back so he can apologise to my guy and then I'm beating him up myself

[north jolt]

Don't forget to let Tagfer get some

[fast dew]

I think Albrecht should be allowed to live

[alpine pendant]

Don't forget to let Lettie get some

[fast dew]

He isnt, he's very clearly gonna die

But i fully believe he should live

[north jolt]

A very long line is gonna form

[alpine pendant]

Don't forget to let Quincy get some

[fast dew]

Dying is such a cheap out for him

[alpine pendant]

So many people have dibs on punching Entrati in the face lmao

[hexed jay]

We beat up an Orokin before, let's just to an encore but BETTER

[fast dew]

Actually something id like to yap about

[hexed jay]

(Brb, gotta attend to my doggos, I'll read up when I'm back)

[fast dew]

Do we think the ||"letting himself die"|| from grandmother's dialogue from ||the reunion|| is from him giving up kuva or him actively just letting himself rot in the labs

[hexed jay]

(I am back!)

He DID seclude himself both in his labs and then in 1999

Also as far as I know Entrati could have very well ||tricked Amir and forced him into a position where he HAD to become a protoframe||

[tawdry dew]

Yo so basically my operator was sitting on this big capsule waving at me and her eye were white is that my operator or another being

[opaque zenith]

Nothing to worry about, you may just be experiencing Void Exposure, there's nothing in the walls, kiddo

[tawdry dew]

I hear knocking…

and there smth in the capsule..

[orchid osprey]

Are mods and arcanes considered canon?

[hexed jay]

I'm pretty sure they are, considering Tenshin's introduction along with the mod Orbiter thing

[dark compass]

They are

Mods get a whole quest

Arcanes don't have a very clear explanation, but they seem to have weird sentient affiliated roots

With the old peace arcanes and the fact first arcanes dropped from Eidolons

[orchid osprey]

I guess the powerlevel of the tenno just skyrocketed... Cuz i was reading comments on a video about how warframes would do in the 40k universe

and it got me thinking

[fast dew]

Please god no

[dark compass]

Mehhh

[fast dew]

Its too early in the morning for this

[ocean geyser]

So
Is “Zid-An” just the sentient word for Arcanes?

[tall echo]

Powerscaling is ridiculed around here

Eh, arcane prefixes usually refer to what they're used for

[ocean geyser]

I see

[orchid osprey]

my bad

i wasn't trying to

[fast dew]

Nah dw

Aint yo fault

[dark compass]

Yeah it's just a very repetitive topic

[tall echo]

Nah, digital extremes

[fast dew]

Im gonna explode you

[ocean geyser]

So maybe Tauron strikes are Zid-An
Hmmm

[dark compass]

I thought I'm the one supposed to explode eventually

[fast dew]

Nuh uh

[tall echo]

Or operators

[ocean geyser]

Would also makes sense

[fast dew]

Its Mara all over again

[tall echo]

Tauron strikes are actually called tektolyst artifacts, which is already a sentient thing

But maybe it's like "molt" referring to frames and it does refer to the fartifacts

I'm not fixing that typo

[ocean geyser]

lmfao

[dark compass]

Tektolyst fartifacts

Yeah that's how they feel at times

[ocean geyser]

I wonder how long the Fragmented could get

DE should make a really long Fragmented boss

I think it’d be funny

[dark compass]

Fragmenmenmenmenmenmenmenmented one

[tall echo]

Defragmented one

[dark compass]

Thats fragmented tide

[tall echo]

One (it's just a very tanky hand flipping the bird)

[dark compass]

Wally's own hand

[fast dew]

Horrible idea, never cook again

[tall echo]

Silence, upside downer

[fast dew]

Silence, European.

[tall echo]

No

[dark compass]

I'm neither

Can I scream

[fast dew]

Do you have a mouth?

[tall echo]

A

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[dark compass]

No

Psychic scream that will explode people's heads

[tall echo]

If you're neither you probably have ancestors who were

[hexed jay]

weren't you on HIS side?

[fast dew]

Surprisingly, I do not like Albrecht

[hexed jay]

mhm mhm makes sense

I see it now

[fast dew]

I just dont like mischaracterisation of any character

You'll see the same with me and ballas

[burnt dome]

i have a question.

[fast dew]

Hm?

[tall echo]

We have an answer

[fast dew]

Probably

[burnt dome]

what and who extactly is the tenno aka the orphon child....

[midnight ice]

how far are you in the story

[tall echo]

How far in the story are you

[fast dew]

Some things are best left unsaid

[burnt dome]

i just got the abbity to walk around my ship in "human" state

[fast dew]

Ah

[tall echo]

You'll learn later

[fast dew]

Post the war within. You'll learn

[tall echo]

A tiny bit later

[burnt dome]

i hate the fact that the mission took almost an hour

and a half

[fast dew]

... oh boy

Well do we have a treat for you

[burnt dome]

oh god

[tall echo]

Fair warning, it only gets longer from there

[fast dew]

:)

[burnt dome]

bruh

[tall echo]

New war is around 6 hours on average

[burnt dome]

aint no wya

[fast dew]

3 to 4 hours!

Oh, 6?? Damn

[burnt dome]

why just why

[fast dew]

Took me a week bcs i had a social life

[midnight ice]

4-6 depends on how much you lollygag and dillydally

[tall echo]

Because the game is telling a story

[tall echo]

"No lollygagging!"

[burnt dome]

i have school! (wiht litte to no homework tho)

[midnight ice]

there's no rush to do it

[tall echo]

I started playing while in therapy, you'll manage

[burnt dome]

all i have to say is that tinish is a bih

[tall echo]

Teshin is dad

[burnt dome]

who got the milk and TRY to kill tenno

[fast dew]

Game has been going on since 2013, you're gonna have some catchup

[tall echo]

If you think he isn't ya gotta pay more attention

Not literal dad but yk, father figure

Literal dad has an e added in the word

[fast dew]

He couldn't say no! Hes a dax, he cant say no to kuva holders

[midnight ice]

(which was also explained in the quest)

[burnt dome]

ah

[tall echo]

Just like the corpus with share holders...

[burnt dome]

i dont understand lore... why am i just finguring this noe

[tall echo]

Didn't pay attention

I'm guilty of it sometimes too

[midnight ice]

by the void! sounds like i need to funnel more funds into the board of directors

[burnt dome]

too bussy looking at the nice and pretty grafics for it being a ftp

[tall echo]

What do you think ordis uses those credits the foundry requires for

[midnight ice]

index gambling obv

[tall echo]

No that's what we do

[midnight ice]

if ordis bets on us on the index is it insider trading?

[burnt dome]

why do i feel like that lotus is mother figure...

[tall echo]

Ordis bet 10 credits on us once for the forced fail index in the glast gambit quest and decided to never bet on us again

[tall echo]

Bc she is

[burnt dome]

ah i see

fun

[fast dew]

We also have gay uncle figure later on but thats for later on

[burnt dome]

WHAT!

[tall echo]

And war vet grandpa

[fast dew]

:3

[midnight ice]

a lot of extended family figures of various sexualities in the future

[burnt dome]

bruh

[fast dew]

And youve probably met the entrati

[tall echo]

Technically he'd be like a grand uncle...

[burnt dome]

all i neeed to know is that gauss prime go vroom

[midnight ice]

and a trans woman is leading this every year's warframe valentines event

[tall echo]

Every year

How do ppl type with their thumbs...

[hexed jay]

I love Tiker, absolute queen

[burnt dome]

do worry about it

[tall echo]

On it

[burnt dome]

i meant dont worry about it

[midnight ice]

had a bug where Ticker wont stop playing her voicelines and it's nice to hear her talk nonstop while I debate on buying cute little chintz

[tall echo]

Too late I'm worrying about it

[burnt dome]

nooooo!

[tall echo]

Not a bug

[hexed jay]

AAAW

I have her thingy thing in my orbiter, it's lonely

Lovely*

[fast dew]

I still await a stardays where Loid and Albrecht at least have something

We have smthn of the damn wyrms

LET ME HAVE MY OLD MAN YAOI DE

Best we got is Qorvex last year for pride

[midnight ice]

devils triad polycule glyph but no loidbrecht 💔

[tall echo]

Were pride flags a thing in 1999

Or is quincy like, really confused by all the rainbow flags in my backroom

[midnight ice]

are pride flags a thing in the orokin era...

[vale sundial]

the trans flag was actually made in 1999 and the gay rainbow flag was earlier

[fast dew]

Hes only there bcs his dads are gay

[tall echo]

Ic

[ocean geyser]

The legems would probably dictate that it’d have to be an orokin logo but rainbow

[midnight ice]

so doktor friday made it...

[hexed jay]

Loid can have Albrecht for a few days and then as stated we are decidedly mauling Albrecht

[vale sundial]

just looked it up. original pride flag was 1978 by Gilbert Baker 🫡 🏳️‍🌈

[fast dew]

The ship name is alloid 💔
-# either name is ugly so we go with the shorter one

[tall echo]

I'd love more color customization for energy specifically to make a rainbow qorvex

[fast dew]

God dammit my internet is dyin

[tall echo]

Locht

[midnight ice]

lol orokin rainbow capitalism. pride flags on the dax while they blast you with telegraphed attacks

[ocean geyser]

Are we turning Qorvex into the gay stairs

[fast dew]

Yes we are

[hexed jay]

100%

[midnight ice]

altoid 😭

[vale sundial]

this one wins

[fast dew]

The q in lgbtq+ stands for Qorvex

[tall echo]

The + stands for extra mod capacity from potat

[fast dew]

"Oid" to anything makes it sound like some form of like. Haemorrhoids 😭

[hexed jay]

That said.
PLEASE, let me hug Loid.
HOW IS IT I CAN OFFER COMFORT TO THE CAVIA BUT NOT THE SAD OLD GAY MAN WHOSE HEART IS BLEEDING 24/7

[midnight ice]

L avos
G rendel
B aruuk
T itania
Q orvex

[tall echo]

...alloid just sounds like alloyed tho

[fast dew]

Loid just has an ugly ass name for ships

Albrecht is already difficult

[tall echo]

Alloy, metal, gold

[hexed jay]

Gayrum Alloid (Tellurium Alloy)

[fast dew]

Yeah, like Albrecht and Loid, theyre an alloy, fused together

[midnight ice]

its difficult. if you were to somehow ship him with the triad it'd be lolycule or some shit

[tall echo]

-# heh

[fast dew]

I feel as if thats a bad idea. Roathe still doesnt harbour all too nice feelings for Loid

Loid is seemingly known for being.

[hexed jay]

He doesn't? (I have started interacting with him like 3 days ago)

[fast dew]

.. loid

[hexed jay]

I am still figuring out what Roethe's deal is tbh

I like him, he's funny

[tall echo]

"Do you know how excited I was to learn this place has a butler, only matched by my dismay when I learned that it was loid?"

[fast dew]

He has a line about being super disappointed about the butler being Loid, and generally uses ||intimidation to get him back to the family||, mind, Loid is known to purposefully piss off orokin

[hexed jay]

I no longer like Roethe

[fast dew]

And the one line that seems somewhat friendly isnt even that, Its just roathe wondering how Albrecht would feel if he knew Loid was alone with him

[tall echo]

Roathe

[midnight ice]

WOKEframe
GAYrum AL-LOID
SHE/HER in the wall
drifter
zariWOMAN
balor FEMorian

[fast dew]

Which. Doesnt suggest anything good

[tall echo]

...zariwoman

[fast dew]

Drifter ❤️

[midnight ice]

stolen

[tall echo]

I already say zarimen to refer to multiple

[hexed jay]

I am very sure it's also a thing between two Orokins that comes to play

[fast dew]

I'm afraid Loid would beat Roathe's ass

Albrecht is a wetwipe and cant do shit

But loid is the scary one

[hexed jay]

Oh I meant as in between Albrecht and Roathe

[fast dew]

OHH

Mb its early

... did you know Loid can double jump

[hexed jay]

Aside their whole "I am literally condemning you into another timeline, after turning you into more of a monster"

[fast dew]

And did you know Loid and Albrecht would get high together

[fast dew]

:)

You don't know. Oh boy

[hexed jay]

AS I SAID
Just started with Roathe

[fast dew]

:3

[hexed jay]

He IS fun to talk to.

[fast dew]

Oh boy.

Oh, though xx99 isnt a seperate timeline

[strange turtle]

Show Wally making a daisy chain with glowing flowers before it’s revealed

[hexed jay]

Yeah, I meant another time but I automatically added line

[hexed jay]

Snake game but it's the Indifference eating tenno heads

[fast dew]

That is just real history

Good lord my internet is struggling

[strange turtle]

@burnt dome they forgot to tell you but the 6 hour quest has a bunch of checkpoints dw, you can play it in chunks

[fast dew]

I need more Loid lore

[hexed jay]

Saaaaame

[fast dew]

Im starving

[hexed jay]

I need mode Loid.

[fast dew]

We have little titbits about him, my favourite being that he can draw

[hexed jay]

This is why I need to find the RP people for this game. I could feed myself with made up storytelling

[midnight ice]

i rp'd warframe AGES ago. like before the TSD reveal. i loved just making shit up about the frames being sentient monsters

all ocs now 💔

[hexed jay]

I don't want to be rude by why the broken heart?

[midnight ice]

combo of i ran out of people to write with, general loss of motivation, et cetera
though i still hold onto the belief that frames can be Umbraesque-ly sentient lol

[hexed jay]

Both things can coexist

[fast dew]

I just read the fanfic and hope for the best

[hexed jay]

Yeah...

Can I just say:

||that moment in the Dark Refractory where Loid is so worried about us being pushed to our limits||
My heart, my fragile soft heart. I care about him too much as a character

[fast dew]

Just. Not as intensely as umbra usually

[still frigate]

There is a bunch on twitter

you could probably find out through them

[hexed jay]

ew twitter

dramatics aside, I do not enjoy the way that social app is made

[hexed jay]

but I will check it out, thank you!

[still frigate]

no problem

[fast dew]

My internet is making me look insane again

[fast dew]

They can actually!
-# the other message is supposed to have sent

[fast dew]

LITERALLY. SHIT HURT SO BAD

[hexed jay]

YES, YOU UNDERSTAND

[fast dew]

LIKE. ALSO

Not the lotus going "this is the only way to find Albrecht" (she gets cut off at al-, but its quite clearly Albrecht) and Loid immediately shuts it down

-# this was shown all the way back when the demo was

[hexed jay]

STOP (don't) I can't possibly love him more

[fast dew]

Also he seemingly helped raise Euleria after ||her mother died :)||

[hexed jay]

That one I know of and just askfdbfk,jwnfojgelkwsnjkln. He really is the core of Deimos, isn't he?

I do wonder how DEs are feeling reading us obsess over the one (1) gay butler

[fast dew]

||Albrecht just came out of a forced marriage with a woman he did not care for, so he was a lil depressed, and struggled to care for her, so Loid helped||

[fast dew]

Well. I'll ask that tonight

[fast dew]

He has a line about how the entrati family are always late without him at the end of whispers and its. It means a lot to me

[dark compass]

You forgot SLAYtra

[hexed jay]

the fact is they miss him, they truly do. You see it with the Necraloid

[fast dew]

Youre gonna love the ending to the triad's chats.

I can sense it

I can feel the vibes

[hexed jay]

I can't make them go faster ;- ;

[dark compass]

It takes time

[fast dew]

Yeah dont rush it though, you will mess it up

[dark compass]

And effort

[hexed jay]

I know, I know

[fast dew]

And allowing people grace when needed

[hexed jay]

Hell I still have to get Lyon to even acknowledge my existence properly

[fast dew]

Though ive never wanted to punch a fictional character more than marie in that one conversation

Yeah that one takes even longer

Ironically, he is the easiest to succeed in

[hexed jay]

well now I have the anxiety of messing up

nice

[dark compass]

Just be honest and stuck to your guns

[fast dew]

You're more likely to mess up Roathe's or Marie's

[dark compass]

And you'll be fine

[fast dew]

Those are at least written to make folk fail if they're not paying attention

[dark compass]

||tagfer?||

[fast dew]

Him too actually. Id kick the deer.

[hexed jay]

What why?

[dark compass]

I'm talking about the conversation topic

[dark compass]

Every single time I interacted with roleplayers I got enemies for life

[fast dew]

Marie was disabled for a long time. Tagfer insults her for it.

[hexed jay]

woah, now I'm curious

[fast dew]

Gof dammit love it when it doesn't reply

[nocturne plover]

Dominus Thrax is a child I would have bullied on the playground, js

[fast dew]

Yeah but what tagfer says is still pretty shitty

[dark compass]

Guild Wars 2 has a nice community, but not that segment. Damn it

[fast dew]

He reminds me of my little brother, I feel bad

[hexed jay]

I don't know Guild Wars 2 but I can only guess you met heardcores with a stick up their-

[fast dew]

I miss him. I wish he couldve stayed in our dormizone

[nocturne plover]

He reminds me of the kids who would bully me and that’s not allowed

[dark compass]

Heardcore?

[hexed jay]

HE WHAT. oh man, I have so much to see still

[fast dew]

I mean tbf she was being. Dense too

[hexed jay]

hardcore* I fumbled my writing

[fast dew]

She was being. An entrati glazer around tagfer. Which. Is not the best recipe

[dark compass]

No, not really

[hexed jay]

oh yeah, no, I understand why Tagfer would get mad

[dark compass]

I was honestly just treated it like a way to socialize, because I lived in extreme social isolation for a while

[fast dew]

This is so real

[dark compass]

And people were just playing with their toys, not to sound rude

[fast dew]

Sometimes I wonder how much of my social issues came from the isolation in the ward

[dark compass]

We didn't see eye to eye in our goals

[fast dew]

Ngl i might get rebb to sign my psych ward bands

[dark compass]

But stalking me was unnecessary

[fast dew]

WHATM

We all have some insane lore

[hexed jay]

oh wow

I have some nightmare stories from my Amino RP days, oof

[fast dew]

Yeah thats. Thats role players for you sometimes

[dark compass]

Yeah, i upset some roleplayer guild leader by leaving due to the said differences

[fast dew]

LITERALLY SAME.

[dark compass]

And he ended up stalking me online for like 2 months

[hexed jay]

YEEESH

[dark compass]

Got his account banned though :3

[hexed jay]

Also we SHOULD move this to general chat if we're not gushing about Loid anymore

[dark compass]

It's ok we are moving back on topic

[nocturne plover]

Me, impatient because I want to get to Roathe content already: WHEN ARE WE GONNA GET TO THE FIREWORKS FACTORY THE OLD PEACE???

[fast dew]

Good lord. Amino.

[dark compass]

But I do want to end with mentioning that I wasn't really ever a roleplayer

I just thought that roleplay is a neat way to socialize when you can't really do that irl

[fast dew]

Yes uh

Lore...

[dark compass]

Lore, indeed

[fast dew]

Reckon Albrecht stole people's bones

[hexed jay]

fair. I've been a roleplayer since I was 11. I unfortunately know the environment

[hexed jay]

Stole a whole giant finger

[dark compass]

At least one finger is on him for sure lmao

[fast dew]

The entrati family have like. A whole thing for bones

[dark compass]

I will keep believing that they're all their (not-so)dead servants

[hexed jay]

Mother is clearly Autistic and autism is genetic, so Son and Daughter are also clearly on the spectrum

[fast dew]

They probably are

[fast dew]

NO BUT YES

[dark compass]

I said it many times before but

[fast dew]

SHES AUTISTIC BUT PRESENTING AS BPD

[hexed jay]

those two things aren't mutually exclusive I think? (I'm not a psychologist so I can be VERY wrong)

[fast dew]

Albrecht is just so very autistic too

[fast dew]

Autism in women is often misdiagnosed as Borderline personality disorder! Which aligns with how Mother acts

[dark compass]

Don't tell me robots called necramechs, with skulls plastered on human shaped pods running them, with AI being forbidden and them being able to maintain transference, made by a family that "values their servants", don't have human remains inside

[fast dew]

Like hold on where's my list of bpd symptoms from the dsm5

[hexed jay]

I keep forgetting that's a thing. Because I always clocked Mother as autistic from the get go. Then again I'm not experienced with BPD

[dark compass]

Not to mention that the servants tomb concept art literally has necramech pods

This is just like in the hit videogame series five nights at freddy's

[fast dew]

She's almost a copy of my sister who has bpd its. Just. Very obvious to me

[dark compass]

Ouch

[fast dew]

This is the woman who stabbed her husband after being told her dad was gone

[dark compass]

<@&778745217037238293>

[hexed jay]

oh see that funny thing? You clocked her as BPD for personal experience, I clocked her as Autism because my BFF is on the spectrum. (I just liked this cool fact)

[hexed jay]

I forgot about that

[fast dew]

Im also autistic so its. Its also kinda obvious, but its mainly based on how Albrecht is seemingly a high functioning autistic, and like you said, its genetic

[hexed jay]

Probably because I hated gri ding Deimos feverishly

[fast dew]

Albrecht either has mad ptsd or autism, or both

[hexed jay]

both

[dark compass]

There's definitely enough for both

[fast dew]

He was always weird according to Roathe

Which makes me lean to both

[hexed jay]

I don't know much about Roathe again to make a valueble comment on it unfortunately.
I can only ask: How much of a reliant narrator is Roathe?

[fast dew]

getting blinded by the sun help

[hexed jay]

I can squint at it ominously if you want

[fast dew]

He is reliable to some extent? I feel as if the stuff he says can be backed up by other things

Much like how he claims that Albrecht never really loved like other orokin. He didn't. He absolutely didnt love like other orokin. Just not in the way roathe claims

Roathe's only basis of how Albrecht loves is based on ||Gerivaine||, not how Albrecht would act with Loid

[hexed jay]

okay, fair, because Roathe probably only saw one side of Alb's life

Considering Alb is described and shown to have been consistently a private person

smh Roathe just didn't have a gay radar 😔

[fast dew]

To be fair on Roathe, the orokin didn't particularly care for gender as a whole?

Albrecht is a outcast bcs he also seems to be monogamous too

[fast dew]

I wonder how he feels about us reading his journals 😭

Sitting there giggling at the concept of Loid greening out, and Albrecht deeming that important enough to write down

[hexed jay]

Sucks for him honestly

[fast dew]

Roathe should read them. But also I think thats a bad idea

Don't give the devil more ammunition

[hexed jay]

that is NOT a good idea at all

[fast dew]

But it would be funny

[hexed jay]

Might be good to smite Albrecht but I fear it would terribly backfire on Loid

[fast dew]

Roathe probably has stumbled across Albrecht's "tortured love poetry" he wrote

[strange turtle]

Amino?

[hexed jay]

it was a social app where you could join servers kind of like discord and do about what you wanted

I like many many other people used it mainly and only for roleplay

[fast dew]

If not Roathe, Marie

[hexed jay]

the idea of Marie finding the poetry feels even worse for some reason

[fast dew]

She'd share it with the class 💔

Completely innocently

But now Loid is wishing he died because she read out some cringe ass line Albrecht wrote about how green his eyes are

[hexed jay]

It's bad enough Loid has to get a confirmation of Albrecht's love after the man has effed off, now he has to listen to it all broadcasted openly?

Man, I'd just wonder into the Indifference and let them take me at that point

[fast dew]

"Drifter. Drifter i need you to reset them."

Albrecht does have poetry in his labs, though

Fib recites some in a rank up cutscene

[hexed jay]

Yeah, I love that fish

[fast dew]

Loid says "tis better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all"

[hexed jay]

I just adore the whole of Sanctum Anatomica, really

[fast dew]

Which is. Known poetry from somewhere

[fast dew]

I'm personally a bird 3 guy

[hexed jay]

He is best boy

The only one in there with actual mature emotional intelligence

[fast dew]

Hes just

So real

Also I was not lying about Loid being able to draw :3

[hexed jay]

I just like to imagine the Operator giving Bird 3 a big hug and just sinking until they disappear into their feathers

[fast dew]

He also probably made the cavia, 1999 and xx99 floofs

[fast dew]

Have you ever smelled a bird?

They're so dusty and its great.

[hexed jay]

no? I don't...I don't even know how to get to smell a bird?

[fast dew]

... own a bird

A friendly bird preferably

See im Australian and very normal about birds

So ive gotten to smell birds

[hexed jay]

I fear my dogs would pull a Tweety and eat it

[fast dew]

Ive gotten to smell an emu! ....im normal

Im sane and normal

[hexed jay]

oh that sounds like a cool experience

[strange turtle]

Tweety?

[fast dew]

tweety bird

From. Loony toons?

[hexed jay]

ja ja

[strange turtle]

Have you smelled a kangaroo/wallaby

Or whatever other similar ones there are

[fast dew]

Yeh

Ive fed them too

[strange turtle]

Is that the yellow one

[fast dew]

Yes 😭

[hexed jay]

I have strangely smelled a giraffe I think, but I was too small and I only remember it biting my hand (gently tho)

[fast dew]

That is one animal I haven't smelled

[dark compass]

Do they have a unique smell?

[fast dew]

I imagine its similar to a horse

[dark compass]

[fast dew]

All animals do

[hexed jay]

kinda yeah, again, I don't really remember much

[dark compass]

Oh right

I'm not very close to nature

[fast dew]

I come from rural ass Australia, id be a national crime for me not to be

[dark compass]

Grass dies when I touch it

[hexed jay]

Anyway!
Is there a way to see the pages from Alb's diary? I did the quests a few years ago and I didn't play because my PC broke down and I couldn't repair it

[fast dew]

Which is why im so anxious now that im in the city

OH. YEAV

THE WIKI

Caps. God dammit

[hexed jay]

no worries, I took it for excitment

[dark compass]

Wiki is here for all your needs

From wall meat lore to albrecht's notes

[hexed jay]

the wiki in game or the website?

[fast dew]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Albrecht_Entrati/Quotes

You can find em in here

[hexed jay]

aw, but I wanted them in game ;- ;

[fast dew]

Oh. Ingame? You gotta grind em.

They're not... fun

Whispers. You gotta find scathing/mocking whispers

[hexed jay]

wait seriously?

[fast dew]

Which are manifests from various old grimoires of Albrecht's

[hexed jay]

hold on, where would I see what I farmed?

[fast dew]

In the codex!

[hexed jay]

wait
wait
lemme boot up warframe, lemme check

[fast dew]

I wonder why theyre called scathing/mocking whispers if they come from Albrecht's own words?

-# Albrecht and his lack of an ego moment

[hexed jay]

They do take the shape of US tho, so I think it's a mockery of the tenno

[fast dew]

Bit of both? Iirc theyre under murmur, which. Likes to do that

But theyre already a danger before we interact

[hexed jay]

I also think they just take the image of anybody they interact with, regardless of Albrecht

oh yeah, I forgot I had the notes

I'm only missing the sixth

Also, digging up The Lullaby of the Manifold was a serious mistake, I have been listening to it non stop

[fast dew]

Yeah its. Mm. Good song

The cardinal calls is one of my personal favourites

[hexed jay]

fair, it's very pretty

[fast dew]

Mm... pipe organs...
-# that's how you spell the instrument right

[tall echo]

They don't? The whispers are just some aspect of wally/the murmur impersonating a grimoire before impersonating us

[waxen mesa]

was the helminth room always meant to host a helminth. Or did the room have another purpose and the helminth took over

[silk atlas]

Not explained

[cosmic badge]

I would assume medbay maybe?

[woven coyote]

well way back when it did have a medbay looking chair
but it always had infestation

[ocean geyser]

It’s specifically called the Helminth Infirmary
So, i imagine it was medical once

[restive river]

Do you mean the bed?

[woven coyote]

yeah the one in the back where the mouth is now

[restive river]

Yeah I kinda wish we got to know what that bed was about

[woven coyote]

was like an enclosed capsule thing

[ocean geyser]

Wonder if there’s any old screenshots

[restive river]

I think one of the last times we saw it on a devstream was actually when they showed that somatic fibers were gonna be used to share the umbra passive

[restive river]

Oh there’s more than that lol

[ocean geyser]

Oh?

Wait that’s genuinely interesting

Im guessing that was when the idea of more Umbral frames was being tossed about?

[restive river]

I wish I recalled which stream it was, all I know is it was before covid

[restive river]

No?

[fast dew]

Yoinks that was over half a decade ago

[restive river]

It was literally just sharing Umbra’s passive to other frames

[ocean geyser]

Intriguing

[restive river]

Not making more Umbra frames

Afaik they’ve always has the stance of no other Umbra frames

And frankly I don’t think there should be anyway
But that’s personal opinion

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure the idea of more was being considered after the Sacrifice
But obviously they never followed through on that

[restive river]

I mean by sheer technicality there are two Umbra frames
Excalibur Umbra
And Excalibur Umbra Prime (exclusive to the china version)

We don’t need more Umbra frames cause they can just tell us the story of the frame and it’s still heart wrenching
Like
Jade for example

We don’t need more Umbras we just need more stories for the frames we play as, more stories like Umbra’s, Jade’s, even Kullervo’s to an extent

[ocean geyser]

Maybe we’ll get Umbral tennogen skins for framws

If DE would even let people do that

[restive river]

I don’t think they would nor do I think that’s needed

The Umbral style is very cool but it should stick to Excal Umbra

It’s be like taking a core theme from another story heavy frame and slapping it onto any other frame
Yes it looks cool
But does it work?

[nocturne plover]

Putting the operator through the torment nexus (war)

[raw stone]

I have an idea that came to me in a dream. I think Garuda, Torture Plexus she is... is someone to the lore.

[silk atlas]

Operator was already experienced in war, and (idk how far you are, spoilers if you haven't done the quest Natah) ||the plan was for her to kill you when she found you anyway, so Operator got the better outcome.||

[pliant estuary]

Since we have a demon Warframe I’d love to see an angel Warframe. Imagine if it was called Vergil so that we could have the Dante and Vergil combo like the story

I think it’d be cool

[lean garden]

hey so really quick

[fast dew]

Jade !!

Based on a seraph and thats so cool

[pliant estuary]

I love Jade’s design but it’s more inspired by angels whereas I feel Uriel is more obviously meant to be a demon or demonic, though I love her a lot, maybe we can get the different orders of angels in demons in some way : )

[lean garden]

I mean, sure I guess? you did wish for an angel frame

[fast dew]

Like what

[lean garden]

although I imagine with enough Imagining you could turn grendel into a Throne

[pliant estuary]

True true and I love jade, I guess I meant more along the lines of more modern depictions of angels though biblically accurate ones are cool.

Though I guess you could do that with a frame with Eros wings and a halo

[restive river]

Jade’s the angel frame
She’s as much of an angel as you can get

[nocturne plover]

Oh yeah I’m not super far in yet lol. I just got to Uranus last night so I’m hoping to start Natah soon

[gentle isle]

https://tenor.com/view/metatron-god-angel-shin-megami-tensei-iii-nocturne-shin-megami-tensei-gif-22386043

You mean like that?

[pliant estuary]

Ye

[woven coyote]

so just low ranking angel ? (least i thought angels were ranked by number of wings)

[idle fog]

||the implications of HL1 being a thing in WF1999 implies that Gaben existed in Warframe||

[woven coyote]

seems pointless with jade in game

[woven coyote]

gotta make it legaly distinct so it is benga

[tall echo]

Partially but the "biblically accurate" angels are just the form they use when talking to like prophets

[gentle isle]

Benga, the founder of Dial and creator of Vapor

Hit game series Middle Cycle and Gateway

[woven coyote]

Lol

[tall echo]

Eh, the literal gordon freeman cutouts aren't legally distinct

[woven coyote]

Was just an opportunity for a joke

[tall echo]

Nageb

[woven coyote]

Gnaeb

[nocturne plover]

Finished the first “portion”(?) of the Natah quest and now I gotta kill tyl regor
||the lotus just wanted children of her own……… I cry||

[tall echo]

Nah, full quest

[nocturne plover]

Ah

[tall echo]

No quest except 1999 is divided into multiple seperately completed parts

[humble sierra]

I think Rising Tide's got a bonus objective after the quest is over

[tall echo]

Yeah but that's just DE scuff

It's just retrieving the key to actually make the rj work

[brisk heron]

Idk why, but I think Umbra and Drifter have a deal

[fast dew]

I mean

Thats how warframes are calmed, yes

[humble sierra]

TennoVIP in one hour yippee

[fast dew]

Oh yeah ill probably meet you there actually holy lord

I was at the pop up shop earlier and I fell and ate total shit on the ground 💔

[humble sierra]

Dang, hope you're fine now

[drowsy saddle]

Built your own ride and still gotta steal the car key smh mj

[fast dew]

My knee hurts but thats what I get for not wearing my knee brace

[humble sierra]

Just sitting in the merch store now, bought a few magnets and might buy a tshirt soon

[fast dew]

Which is will be finding now

[fast dew]

I bought the aoi shirt purely for the eye of entrati on it

And the magnet for my magnet collection

[humble sierra]

Lotus Floofs were sold out 😭

[fast dew]

Might get the devs to sign my old psychward admission bands

[humble sierra]

Luckily I have my Clem at home

[fast dew]

I got the guitar picks! They're so cool....

[humble sierra]

Might politely ask the devs to hire me immediately

[tall echo]

...?

[humble sierra]

Oh right this is a lore channel

[drowsy saddle]

Gotta be one of the weirdest things someone has signed

[fast dew]

Someone brought their front panel to their pc, i woudlve but mine is black and black marker doesnt really show up

[humble sierra]

Gonna get my Relic signed. Already had Steve sign it

[humble sierra]

I'm sure they have different colors

[fast dew]

.... well probably but im 5 hours away from that pc

[tall echo]

The thought of not having the guitar picks is turning me into the original starwalker

[fast dew]

Ill bring the magnet if they dont wanna sign my psychward bands

Warframe got me through some shit

I pretended that the doctor drawing my blood for blood tests was Albrecht

And it worked

[brisk heron]

Umbra is technically living, and we know the Operator has a deal with Umbra, but we don't canonically know if that's the same with Drifter, I believe so, they do also use Warframe weapons like the Nataruk, sun and moon and others in Duviri, which brings up more questions like how does that work?

[tall echo]

What deal

[midnight ice]

sun and moon is teshin's, that's why it's our first and default duviri wep?

[tall echo]

Also drifter not using nataruk/rumblejack/etc all the time is just gameplay

[midnight ice]

and drifter can use duviri weapons because the lore goes that the operator tossed them over to the void? as aid? like the hand is?

iirc

[drowsy saddle]

Should've brought a gold marker

[tall echo]

Well, op manifests them into duviri

[midnight ice]

yes that, like archguns in the worm fight

[drowsy saddle]

Honestly why doesn't the operator carry the rumblejack, they're old enough to carry a knife

[tall echo]

Gameplay

[midnight ice]

"hey tenno, whatcha got there?" "a knife!" "NO!"

[tall echo]

The devs are too scared to arm the 5

Arm it with a proper weapon, I mean

The game will end when they add 2 more abilities, bringing it up to 7

[brisk heron]

I'm trying to distract myself from doing everything needed to get to steel path ;-;

[drowsy saddle]

Mad kubrow style stance

[humble sierra]

Operator and Umbra's deal wasn't a contract style deal, it was an offer of friendship. "Hey, I'll help you beat Ballas, you aren't alone"

[silk atlas]

All Warframes are living, that's their point

[midnight ice]

"And it was not their force of will — not their Void devilry — not their alien darkness... it was something else. It was that somehow, from within the derelict-horror, they had learned a way to see inside an ugly, broken thing — and take away its pain."

[rare scarab]

anyone else hope we get to see what the other tenno are up to? if there is a possibility for rogue ones?

[tall echo]

1. Yes
2. Very low but yes

[rare scarab]

might be not the best idea but a dojo based quest letting us see more of the tenno and different personalities with like a clash of clans like mini side game using faction troops felt cool in my head like a proxy war mini game

i know its a bad idea but felt like sharing

like what is the situation with tennos backing enemy factions right?

[restive river]

Clans used to fight to some degree iirc

[fast dew]

Keeping the balance

[restive river]

But word to the wise
Pvp never works in warframe

[midnight ice]

solar rail clashes or territory brawls, yeah

[rare scarab]

so they really are backing each side and keeping the war going huh

[tall echo]

It's the best option

[midnight ice]

war keeps them weak and managable

[rare scarab]

getting a lil too real

[restive river]

We only back either side in small skirmishes really or when we really need to anyway

[tall echo]

We're not backing each side but we're not wiping one out either

[restive river]

Also we can’t wipe out either side

[tall echo]

Warframe comfortably fits into the category of grimdark

[rare scarab]

not even a proxy war clash of clans pvp?

[tall echo]

Well we could, but the other would use the vacuum

[restive river]

Idk anything about clash of clans but
No I think they just shouldn’t really attempt it anymore, they tried again with 1999 and it was basically ignored afaik

[rare scarab]

I mean it would be cool to have more interactive dojo content, not sure the extent of what would make sense but now if it was clan based that would be cool i think

[restive river]

That’d be neat, they just should stray away from it being pvp related

[rare scarab]

I imagine it would be like based of the main sydicates, but idk how much work that would be

[restive river]

it just historically has never worked out, even with 1999’s “pvp” gamemode (which lacks direct pvp interactions) it kinda just flopped on arrival

[midnight ice]

wonder why there's so little interest in the 1999 pseudo pvp missions

[tall echo]

They're just not good

[rare scarab]

low motivation ig

[restive river]

Because pvp
Because it’s not required in any way
Because people largely don’t find it fun

[midnight ice]

wasnt it basically competitive legacyte harvest?

[tall echo]

Random objectives

[midnight ice]

ah, i see

[tall echo]

I just dislike that they refuse to make the solo version give conclave standing

[restive river]

That would be nice

I doubt I’d find players for the other version so

I do like that they tried to give us another way to farm conclave standing at least

[tall echo]

In my almost 5 years of playing I have never gotten a single point of conclave standing

It's wild that 5 years is almost a third of the game's lifespan

[restive river]

I have gotten some due to pure curiosity and trying out lunaro with friends

[midnight ice]

ive played for 9 years, i tried lunaro tutorial once and thats it lol

[restive river]

Which lunaro with friends is a fun experience so long as nobody really knows how to play, or at the least has a vague grasp of what’s happening

[tall echo]

So just make sure sith isn't part of it?

[restive river]

Yup lmao

Love that they’re good at it tho
It’s just infinitely more fun with friends who have just about as much knowledge as you do

[turbid vigil]

more and more im starting to see similarities between genshins abyss and warframes void

[woven coyote]

The singular thing i know about genshin is "emergency food"

[restive river]

In what way are they similar

[turbid vigil]

both will talk the same way to those inside of its domain

[restive river]

Ok well
The void doesn’t talk sooo

[turbid vigil]

it does

[restive river]

Wally isn’t the void

[turbid vigil]

we dont know for sure

[restive river]

The void itself does not do anything

[turbid vigil]

then explain the entire conceptual embodiment inside the void

[restive river]

Show me anything that has hinted at that being the case

[restive river]

The void reacting to emotions and concepts

Think chemical reaction not emotional reaction

[turbid vigil]

also the fact both have had the moon hidden in it

[restive river]

If Wally was in control of the void and love is the poison to his plan why would he ever permit the tunnel of love between Belric and Rania, a literal connection forged by love made from the void through conceptual embodiment

[turbid vigil]

fair enough

[restive river]

That moon connection is neat tho

[woven coyote]

Also wally wouldnt have such a hard time breaching duviri if he was one and the same with the void

[turbid vigil]

only diffrence is is where the abyss has already consumed most of the universe

[restive river]

Sounds like the Abyss is more so like a being as a dimension
Meanwhile the void is more akin to something in nature, it is

[turbid vigil]

the abyss is a sentient dimension

[restive river]

That is neat for a villain/character

[turbid vigil]

both also were introduced via an person searching for a new technological wonder

[restive river]

That’s a neat connection too

[turbid vigil]

also the fact we have 7 orokin executors vs 7 heavenly principles

[restive river]

Also got seven emperors

[turbid vigil]

both have an twin that has been corrupted by/made by the abyss/void

tenno also seem to miraculously defy "fate"

[restive river]

Elaborate

[turbid vigil]

new war paradox prison

tenno defying death

[restive river]

That wasn’t us tho

Ballas caused us to be locked in a loop of our own history
The only way out being Drifter’s assistance
Who in turn couldn’t escape Duviri without Operator’s assistance
Hence the paradox

Also kinda the whole
Being the same person thing

[turbid vigil]

yeah

similar to the moons reflection

a pocket dimension in which time flows backwards with only so far known 2 ways to escape

[restive river]

Iirc with the void it’s more so it lacks time (and space)
It has “untime” and “unspace”

[turbid vigil]

so literally the abyss

since istaroth(god of time) and asmoday (god of space)did not create it

and also ballas's "blessing of eternal life" is literally what ronova did to all khaenri'ans

[hollow siren]

both Warframe and Genshin have reality kinda exist as two opposing "realms", so yeah kinda

Warframe has Reality and the Void, Genshin has the Light Realm and Void Realm (with the Human Realm being what happens when they collide)

[sharp igloo]

has anyone wondered why the games slogan is “ninjas play free” when warframes were actually infested metal avatars intended for war, not exactly stealthily assassinating all the time

[hollow siren]

The game started out very differently

[hollow siren]

https://youtu.be/aJIeaTNFkw4?si=MQQFZyxg_O5Zc4xZ

back when we had stamina

[dark compass]

It was a dark and gritty piss filter shooter with very messy communication quality and stealth being much more relevant

Now we are cooking gas damage with a fish

[hollow siren]

That's why the term "Oldframe" exists

practically a different game back then

[sharp igloo]

i kind of like the vibe it was going for, but i wouldn’t trade it at all for what we have now

[hollow siren]

I'd love an old-school Runescape thing with Oldframe

[sharp igloo]

stamina is crazy though, imagine we couldn’t bullet jump unlimitedly because we had to wait for a stamina bar

[hollow siren]

bullet-jump was not a thing back then

that was added with Parkour 2.0 or 3.0

Coptering was the movement meta back then

[dark compass]

You can always play the will-be-warframe to get the experience

Dark Sector

[hollow siren]

with weapons like Dual Zoren or Tonbo

[dark compass]

I think some Dark Sector enemies are straight up reused in WF

The enemy type jackal definitely is

[hollow siren]

Dark Sector was effectively DE making a test product for Warframe so publishers and critics would even let them make the actual game

[humble sierra]

Jackal shows up in like chapter 5 of DarkSector but just shoots missiles at you

Internally I think Höllvania is also called Lasria

So it could've been that they planned to call it that super early on

But I doubt there would've been a connection besides the name

[keen wedge]

Does anyone know why Mary and harrow and styled after catholic inspiration? And also why their main spot is the church? I love the design I’m wondering the lore behind the cathedral? I know Mary is like a nun of Sol , I’m wondering if there’s any further lore on the cathedral outside of that 🫶if anyone knows let me know why you think about the connection

[fast dew]

They have their own religion, heavily based on Catholicism and similar sects. Church seems to be where Albrecht pretended to be a Cardinal.

[humble sierra]

Harrow's priest look was just styled after Catholicism, before the current Dualism was really established in-game. Instead of Christianity, it seems Dualism (worship of two gods, Sol and Lua, Sun and Moon) is the main faith

Definitely dive into the KIM chats with Marie and Lyon for more discussion there

[strange turtle]

I wonder if the other big Abrahamic religions have their own thing or if they’re Dualism sects too

[keen wedge]

Ahhh okay so for the most part Do you believe the devs took inspiration from Catholicism for these

[manic rover]

on the surface level mostly

the aesthetic

[keen wedge]

Omg so helpful I will that’s a good idea

[keen wedge]

Me too !

[fast dew]

Absolutely. It would be genuinely absurd to say they didn't.

[humble sierra]

Eleanor also has a few chats about it, as she wanted to be a nun— interestingly I think she described it saying that nuns shave their heads and take a vow of silence, but clearly that's not the case for Marie, so it could be that Marie is more of a Solist nun while Eleanor described a Lualist

[manic rover]

different denominations probably

[fast dew]

Ive never particularly liked how Marie, on all counts other than being wisp, looks like she'd belong to lua

[manic rover]

we dont really know much about what aspects Lua and Sol each represent

[fast dew]

I meant from a character design perspective

[keen wedge]

Okay yeah so it seems the design and vibes based off catholic and I do wonder why they chose this , for example in the Vodou religion, they mask the priest/priestess in catholic styling , so I wonder if it’s a similar intent ? Or just for style , maybe it’s not that deep

[humble sierra]

Ins dialogue Lyon appears to be aligned more to Lua while Marie is aligned to Sol and Roathe is aligned to the Void

[strange turtle]

The way she described it those were specifically “apostles of Lua”, yeah

[keen wedge]

Ahh interesting

[humble sierra]

From a design perspective the Catholic imagery is very easy to recognize at a glance

[manic rover]

I don't think it's that deep
We haven't gotten enough exposition about Dualism for it to be more than recolored Christianity with a twist

[humble sierra]

So the audience will automatically take in all those details and build certain assumptions based on that

[fast dew]

hates eternalism
the woman who endorses eternalism like its a religion lives above him

[keen wedge]

Ahh okay maybe devs will add more context later, or it’s just the religion they chose to style after - either way I love it - I just wondered where the inspo came from since it dropped

[idle fog]

chat I have a question as a baby tenno

do people in Warframe universe speak in literal English or do they have some cryptic ahh sci fi language they actually speak canonically

[humble sierra]

How baby?

[manic rover]

Orokin have a language that looks like scratches

[idle fog]

mr4??

is that baby

[humble sierra]

I mostly mean in terms of story

[idle fog]

I just beaten stolen dreams quest

[humble sierra]

Like if you're familiar with what an Orokin is and etc.

[manic rover]

this is basically the Orokin language
but if we are talking about it phonetically, no everyone speaks english

[humble sierra]

Yeah and there's actual English text in certain posters

[strange turtle]

They speak a bunch of different languages

There’s the Orokin language, the Corpus and Grineer languages (which you can actually hear them use), presumably some form of “common” one, and Ostron

[fast dew]

Grofit.......

[strange turtle]

Presumably we just hear and see english in place of said common language so that we can actually understand it normally, but it never get brought up since it’s never really relevant

[topaz pawn]

https://tenor.com/view/growth-profit-grofit-corpus-ambulas-gif-15630541

[keen wedge]

Okay I figured it out too that harrow has a connection to performing exorcism that could by why he’s pictured as a preist also, even though his lore is connected to rell and everything

Its just that every detail of warframe is very intricate which makes it hard for me to believe that the design choice of nuns and priest would be so random yk

[dark compass]

Some things have been conceived earlier than others

Retroactive context isn't all reaching most of the time

[midnight ice]

the cathedral probably has a banger communion wafer

lyon can take all my maphica for it

[dark compass]

The mapher

[midnight ice]

the mapherrr

[ocean geyser]

It’s a bit of both

Enemies speak their usual language, but story-important characters can usually be heard via english

[topaz pawn]

I wonder if they call it Britannic instead

[north jolt]

I think both

[north jolt]

Well the Corpus speak both English and some unique gibberish thrown in. Same for Grineer too

Actually I think Sarge is one of the only Corpus who exclusively speaks in the corpus language

[opaque zenith]

Noteworthy that the diferent languages aren't exactly full varied idioms (as in German =/= English) but they're all the english "format" decoded into new alphabet symbols

Ex:

[tall echo]

Also noteworthy that they are garbled english which is essentially how some languages started

Or are you saying that "yttpke" or "ket klem" are perfectly normal english

[opaque zenith]

A phonetic, but not full-incomprehensible english, otherwise people couldn't thanslate the worlds. But essentialy take the english letters and assign new "sysmbols an sounds" to them
That way, translating "Ket klem" to "Get them" is possible

A more common example would be the: Pook ap pkes, pkey yose po pkiy kpaye jket pkey ktoj pkey ate top kute. / Look at them, they come to this place when they know they are not pure.

[ocean geyser]

I decided to look at Lech Kril’s quotes to try and see if anyone had translated them
For some reason every comment has one single downvote

[opaque zenith]

be the change in the world and give one upvote for balance

[ocean geyser]

I have dw

[ocean geyser]

I think it’d be funny if we gave Hunhow some Xenoflora
I know it wouldn’t do anything, I just want him to be blue

[tall echo]

They're untranslatable

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

Grineer gibberish

[tall echo]

I wonder if they'll ever replace/change the blatant placeholder bosses

Lech kril, sergeant, lech kril&vor

Btw the ceres boss still has old vor

[strange turtle]

Placeholder?

[ocean geyser]

The ones that are basically just regular units with a healthbar

Oldframe bosses, essentially

Phorid, Lech Kril and Sergeant are the big ones

[hollow siren]

yeah most of them got reworked into proper bosses since

Vor, Sargas Ruk, Tyl Regor, Vay Hek, Kela De Thaym

[midnight ice]

lech kril seems unique looking enough to warrant not being a placeholder

or is he a reused Grustag model?

[hollow siren]

might be

[ocean geyser]

Or the Grustrag are reused Lech Kril models

[midnight ice]

just checked and grustrag looks too much like this guy -> 😬 to be a reused Kril

but phorid and Sgt are so obviously placeholders its kind of funny

Big Charger, i guess. and also make it Red. so we know its Dangerous

[hollow siren]

Sergeant was originaly Sergeant Nef Anyo, but then they made Nef a separate character

[midnight ice]

now he's just Sergeant..

can't have shit in the Corpus

[elfin lion]

guys what should i do to get hate fast?

[hollow siren]

Farm Stalker

[elfin lion]

and easy way to do ?

[silk atlas]

There is no easy way, you either just hope he drops Hate if you have marks from him to hunt you or you buy the incredibly overpriced market bundle with Plat

[restive river]

Do a fast easy boss that can mark you

[ocean geyser]

Why are you asking this in lore

[elfin lion]

im marked im trynna spawn the boss

[restive river]

Farm something else at the same time, like relics or prime parts

Also no yeah this isn’t really the place to ask

If you aren’t having luck, try the wiki
It’s good/decent for gameplay related things

[south nimbus]

Guys which Warframe did Ballas made specifically for the killing of grineer

[silk atlas]

There's nothing said about that, and if you're thinking about how Vauban watched over the Corpus, it's not like he couldn't have deployed other frames along with him to do the same job.

[restive river]

Banshee Prime’s trailer features her destroying some Grineer and says this

“These like-faced savages, these earth-worn mules, a vast and violent ocean at our command. Yet they wither.

Mired in massed steel and flesh, casting these hordes from gene-moulds and flock-minds, we inspire nothing.

Our demons of Void-womb must be different. Unusual. Singular. Crafted without cast, wrought of the finest ore, slender and queer.

Sight without eye. Wrath without sound. Not a soldier, but a myth. Not a warrior… a spirit.

Banshee.”

[silk atlas]

Huh

[restive river]

Thing is the with Grineer as they weren’t like
A threat to the Orokin? So no frame would be made to deal with them specifically

[restive river]

This reads more as Ballas dissing the Grineer and saying how the warriors they need to make to fight the sentients need to not just be copy paste jobs

Which yeah
The Grineer were probably as if not less effective than a Necramech, just a wall of stupid flesh to throw at the ever-evolving enemy

[humble sierra]

It's implied the Orokin could deal with all their enemies easily, it wasn't until the Sentients they started panicking and creating Warframes-- which were more powerful than their already existing weapons

[restive river]

The Orokin are def powerful but they had some wild weapons

The frames were made as a response to the Sentient’s ability to adapt and hack Orokin tech
They’re low tech and have human minds, tenno pilots or not they’re adaptable

[humble sierra]

Yeah, maybe it's moreso that they just pivoted to using Warframes instead of actual weapons

Atlas was a good case of "See what a single one of our Warframes can do to your pathetic colony"

[restive river]

They pivoted to the frames cause they can’t be hacked
The frames use simpler weapons cause those can’t be hacked

The Necramechs worked well cause they couldn’t be hacked either, issue was they were stupid
All the might
None of the on demand adaptability of a human mind

Which I do still wonder exactly how the Necramechs work, they seem to have a biological component but are easily controlled by the infestation alone iirc

[humble sierra]

It'd be sick to see Sentients using the weapons against us at some point, if we ever revisit the Old War... or if they're waiting for us on Tau.

[restive river]

Black hole generator vs 1 tenno

I do hope we get to explore more from me old war

If not through our memories then like
Anyone else’s

[humble sierra]

Some guy at TennoVIP (not a dev just an old player) mentioned something about a devstream where they mentioned plans for an Ordis quest where he's just waiting for the Operator

[restive river]

That’d be neat
It just depends on how the dark refractory works ig

Roathe can’t reexplore his own memories, or he can’t unluck them due to being infested ig??
Which is where we come in

So maybe we can hook Ordis up to it but he himself can’t explore those memories, only we can due to him being a Cephalon

[humble sierra]

Quest could be peak-- 50% of it is just Stardew Valley-esque farming simulator where Ordis is managing the ship and taking care of pests nearby, 50% of it is his Ordan Karris memories kicking in and then the gameplay switches to FPS Doom

[restive river]

Ooo a backstory quest of Ordis that shows the Helminth slowly progressing would be neat

Like in the Helninth room I mean
We just subtly see it grow more and more

Maybe the reason it’s growing outside of the room is cause Ordis accidentally opened it once

[strange turtle]

Ordis forgot to head back to the Relay to get the nutrients for it and when he opened it for routine cleaning it burst out looking for food

[humble sierra]

Ordis was given instructions to feed it daily and he just decided to give it all the food at once and trust that it would ration itself

[azure jasper]

That does seem like an Ordis thing to do, yes.

[restive river]

Oh so that’s why it has a giant mouth
It needed to adapt to eating all of its food at once!

[humble sierra]

TennoVIP glyph btw

[restive river]

OOOOO

[humble sierra]

It's flipped around because of my camera

So the black "star" is actually on the right

I wonder what they represent

Tau's stars, maybe?

[restive river]

I can see that

[humble sierra]

Hat

There's also a metal cup with the logo but the cup is like a light beige and the logo is printed in white so camera doesn't really pick it up

[tribal galleon]

Who has the biggest bunda in the lore

[silk atlas]

Can you not

[tall echo]

Begone.

[gentle isle]

Rando getting absolutely shut down for asking about ass, a rare sight in the Warframe space but a welcome one

[loud oriole]

Excalibur Prime, particularly in the Old Peace
but nah its really ||Sevagoth||

[dark compass]

Or Atlas Deluxe

[humble sierra]

I don't know what a Bunda is but the answer is Hildryn