lore-discussion

[chrome frost]

i just call all of them necramites because i dont want to bother memorising their names

[restive river]

Arcocanid

Closest thing you’ll get
Unless you want to shove a kavat/kubrow skull on them

Which I’m not even sure if there’s a carcass in the mechs? The skulls may just be for
Style

They’re made by an Orokin, specifically by one that’s part of a family that’s got very morbid fashion

[chrome frost]

hmmmm

fair enough, i suppose

[restive river]

This is how Necramechs work, ig

(once the Tenno interacts with the Necramech) Father: "Alright. Not ideal, but I've cross-routed your warframe impulse stream directly to Snake. Now, she'll feel heavy, but you'll get used to it. Head outside and we'll run a field test before your descent."

[chrome frost]

AAA ah heres a thing, post reuniting with loid father mentions the necramech having its spinal cord cut

"You know... I had this broken down mech I was going insane trying to fix. Swapped out the light-board, flushed the atria, hell I even stripped the casings and resparked the coils. Nothing. Know what is was? The spine was cut. Sheared right through. Hairline. I never even noticed. Well, now I know why nothing my wife did to find her father made a damn bit of difference. How could it? He cut her off. I gotta look after her, Ayatan."

could be organic, could be mechanical

[tall echo]

iirc at least voidrig needs spines from deimos fish to build

[restive river]

The necramechs having some biological component makes sense as they’re sentient pulse immune, they def seem to be a mix

Also like
The Orokin were the masters of biotech

[drowsy saddle]

I mean... Warframes have spines too

[mild cairn]

I just wanted to share this because if we are going to Tau, the implications this has may mean we have to face more archons, but I think that the archons are not only warframes that were fused with sentients, but I know what type of sentients. Take archon amar, for example: he is a rhino with a wolf head. But in the old peace, we see a sentient temple guardian also named amar. Looking at the heads, they are also exactly the same. It wouldn't be too much of a far cry for them to be the same, as well as the other archons being sentient guardians before being fused with the warframes, now hostile because of the xenobloom that the anarchs and Ballas destroyed. This could mean we may get more archons at Tau, each filling in the last remaining shards not held by archons, and maybe even some new shards. Like the lore theory?

[drowsy saddle]

Xenoflora based sentient liches

[lean garden]

its no theory that Guardian Amar and Archon Amar are the same sentient

That moment when Amar appears in the Old Peace is supposed to have you Leo point at your screen

[lean garden]

Lotus: "On Tau, the Wolf roamed without prey. He was created in the image of ancient records from old Earth, a naive tribute to ecosystems long extinct. Those savage jaws were never meant to bite."

[drowsy saddle]

tbh it be more outlandish if DE added another character with the name Amar

[mild cairn]

@lean garden Oh. Whoops. I forgot about what the lotus said. However, I still can't help but think that DE showing us Amar pre New War is hinting at new archons.

[lean garden]

Maybe, maybe not

depends how many of them followed the warband to Origin

[mild cairn]

I think it would make sense, since we have archons for the 3 main shards, but 3 more archons would make the next three more accessible to players, maybe if they are willing to make the event level 250 like netracell. Even better yet, if there was a new part to the archon shard system giving is buffs from shards we didn't currently have, like ability range and efficiency, or magnetic status.

[woven coyote]

There is the possibility the 3 extra shards are really just the product of loid's research and there aren't more natural ones associated with archons

Plus i dread the idea of more archon hunts and waiting more time for them to cycle the way incarnon adapters go

[waxen mesa]

Archonon adapter

[proper barn]

@tawdry crag @restive river I only looked back at this now. I assumed Albretch gave it to her.

[restive river]

When and why

[proper barn]

Idk and as a gift I guess.

[tidal canopy]

I already did the 21 floors thing and things were fine then but now it seems there's anathema again and now I'm just lost on what I'm supposed to do

[restive river]

Did he ask you to reset him?

[tidal canopy]

the memories? yeah i believe so

i have no clue where to go do that

[restive river]

The grimoire in the bottom right

Select the triad and reset their memories

[tidal canopy]

oh no i feared about that

[restive river]

Yeah it’s unfortunate

I had to reset em too

If it helps you can utilize the Kimulacrum

[tidal canopy]

i think it was meant to happen anyways because lyons chat is bugged for me so maybe that'll fix it

[restive river]

Hopefully!

I guess things are still a bit broken, I thought I may as well try to do what I can now and if its bugged again maybe I’ll try when things are fully fixed

The triad are a mess

[tidal canopy]

oh boy i mean yeahh it's understandable that it is though because it's pretty recent isnt it

[restive river]

The Hex and Roundtable weren’t this bad

It may be the frankly stupid amount of booleans with the triad

Personally the triad felt very shoehorned in and unfinished

[tidal canopy]

maybe it was rushed

[restive river]

Oh it for sure was

[dark compass]

I'll say it again

Hex and Roundtable were done as characters in the story first and skins second

Triad were made as skins first and characters in the story second

[restive river]

Yeah I think that’s unfortunately true

Lyon in lore is missing an eye
His model is not

[dark compass]

I mean just don't look behind the eye patch you're not supposed to look behind

It's a pretty common limitation most asymmetrical models like him have

[restive river]

I mean sure :p

[shadow ingot]

Why do you say this?

[restive river]

It’s just odd considering how detailed DE tends to be

[shadow ingot]

I haven't really interacted with the Triad

[dark compass]

It's not meant to be seen and eyes with their tracking are a bit of a mess

When you have a model base

[lean garden]

Not that odd, in game character models always tend to hide things that youre not supposed to be seeing unless you stick your camera in them

[restive river]

They did model the black eyes for the vagabond

[dark compass]

It's usually just not worth removing and messing up the eye tracking for

[restive river]

Like yes in games it’s not odd
Just compared to say, the Vagabond it is odd
But things happen

[dark compass]

Just different reasons

[restive river]

They are different reasons

[dark compass]

Either way

[restive river]

Anyway
Care to expand on this?

[dark compass]

It just feels that way.

Triad have much more elaborate skins than the hex, their story feels slapped on top of the update post all the protoframe craze. And their role in-game is very inconsequential

They still have the writer do kim stuff for them and it being more complex than ever kinda makes up for an actual lack of their plot relevance

But it doesn't make their relevance any bigger

Hex are a natural flow of the story, they are an update that has a trailer cutscene when you enter an area

Protos have really lost their luster to me after this

I really hope DE would focus on something else as a side thing

But everyone talks about protos, they sell

So I concede

[restive river]

Even the Roundtable fit in well enough

Protos are a good concept but they only work when done well

[dark compass]

Yeah, otherwise it's just a glorified skin line

For cowards who don't feel attached to faceless robots

[restive river]

I think lore-wise the Triad are. Frustrating
When did Albrecht make them?
How does the time portal exist? Why can Helminth do that (we know the infestation has a weird relationship with time but a whole time portal?) Why isn’t it infested?

[dark compass]

I mean we get the explanation in kim

But as I said, kim is it's own thing and doesn't make up for everything else

[restive river]

I think Roathe’s skin is honestly the best of the three and he has like
A real connection to his frame

[restive river]

No I know it’s from his blood

My issue isn’t how it’s made, though frankly idk how he even did that

[dark compass]

That's quite literally my point

Kim has a lot but it doesn't make up for anything

[restive river]

I like Lyon’s story
Does not make up for the issues I have

[dark compass]

Mhm

My only hope is that the triad will get some sort of focused content update

Because otherwise if they will be left in this dingy small room and have absolutely nothing to offer but perita and descendia compensation

That would be rather lame

[restive river]

Hey maybe they could make a time portal, collab with Kaya, make a solid way out of the loop for the other protos?

[dark compass]

Like if we look at a new player experience in a vacuum

Triad just appear out of nowhere, offer bickering and 3 stores

And then it never goes anywhere

[restive river]

Oh here’s something
The Triad aren’t in a loop so physically their infested progress will never physically reset
Even if we say that Drifter is asking Helminth to just pause or revert I kinda doubt the infestation would just. Do that? Like. Not infest something

[restive river]

2 of them are just bickering and the other is just trauma to relate to

Lyon’s my favorite for a reason lol

[dark compass]

He is selling a spire made out of baseball bats

[restive river]

Why does he sell sentient bone effigies
I know the update relates to the war but it also relates to the peace time?

We don’t even fight any sentients 😭

I mean we fight like
Technically 2 but it’s just odd

[dark compass]

It's just his pet project

"I saw how much your ||dead sentient husband|| means to you, so I started collecting bones of his kin to provide you some comfort in difficult times. "

"we shall reunite the family, eventually"

[gentle isle]

Lmao I mean he's selling it to the drifter so technically he'd tell us to hand it over to the operator later

[shadow ingot]

Probably has double meaning, because Sentient bones are somwtimes still "alive" in a way. Its really hard to fully kill a Sentient

[dark compass]

That's why I said it like that

[shadow ingot]

Boutta make a weird Eidolon creature by accident

[dark compass]

Purchasing a lifetime effigy supply

Building my own eidolon

[shadow ingot]

Lowk what if Chroma's Vex Armor is sorta like a watered down version of sentient adaptation

Side-effect of his sentient pelt or something

[dark compass]

Highly intelligent fursuit

[shadow ingot]

Fursuit is wild

[gentle isle]

Do not the effigy

[drowsy saddle]

I still stand that if DE reworks chroma he should get an exalted sentinel

[tall echo]

Nah, it's harder to not fully kill sentients

[dark compass]

That would honestly be really cool.

[tall echo]

Stereotyper 🫵

[drowsy saddle]

Khora gets a cat, chroma gets a pet dragon. Also moddable merulina when

[dark compass]

If you tell someone that Kdrives have unique mods theyll have a stroke

[humble sierra]

SPEEED

Also the energy one would be OP

[dark compass]

"merulina is now moddable"
"But... Where are all the mods"
"You need to farm kdrive mods"

[tall echo]

If they ever rework chroma I will force them to give him signature weapons

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/bocchi-the-rock-hitori-gotoh-shocked-spaz-bocchi-gif-27016345

[drowsy saddle]

I already have a stroke trying to level up the one i made

[humble sierra]

It would be a reason not to equip royal merulina

IMO they should rework it so that it's built in. Hold to summon as Loyal companion, press to summon as a kdrive

[drowsy saddle]

Monkey paw curls, signature sentinel weapons

[tall echo]

Chroma needs a bow, a secondary flamethrower, and a sword&shield

[tall echo]

That
Every sentinel has its own weapon
That's not a unique thing

[dark compass]

Ignis 2

Oh wait ignis 3

Wait shit it would be ignis 4

[tall echo]

Included the archgun flamethrower?

[dark compass]

I HATE YOU

Ignis 5

Ignis, Ignis Wraith, Morgha, Lizzie

Now everything is accounted for

[drowsy saddle]

Atomos?

[shadow ingot]

That thing has a whole incarnon too

[gentle isle]

Does furis incarnon count

[dark compass]

Atomos is not a flamethrower

[shadow ingot]

Might as well. Who's gonna use Furis primary fire?

[dark compass]

Furis is just Klamora prism

Not a flamethrower

[shadow ingot]

We need a Furis Prime tho

[dark compass]

We already have aFuris prime

[gentle isle]

https://tenor.com/view/ba-dum-tsss-drum-band-gif-7320811

[drowsy saddle]

How strong is orokin copyright if we literally cant just separate the akfuris prime

[shadow ingot]

Imagine being sued by an Orokin

Instead of money, they just slime you out

[dark compass]

Literally slime you out

Javi suffered that fate

[eager briar]

God emperor of mankind vs a squad of tenno

Pre-golden throne of course

[dark compass]

Does god emperor of mankind have overguard?

[eager briar]

Sheee probably

[dark compass]

Ok I'm putting one grendel with smite

[sleek berry]

Are we talking Warhammer 40k or Dune?

[dark compass]

Definitely wh

Would've been probably phrased differently if dune

[eager briar]

There’s a character in Dune known as the god emperor of mankind?

[dark compass]

Kinda, yeah

[eager briar]

I thought there was only one

figured the name spoke for itself

didn’t realize I needed to Warhammer in parentheses

[sleek berry]

Leto Atriedes the second becomes a God Emperor

[dark compass]

Spoilers

(for a 60 years old story)

[eager briar]

Wh has plot development?

I thought it was just stuck in a single time Period with maybe expanded background.

[dark compass]

Either way WH Emperor dies in Grendel's belly

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/fat-luffy-gif-25489523

Nourished to death

[sleek berry]

Was that Luffy?

[dark compass]

The moment someone doesn't have overguard it's over

[eager briar]

The God emperor of mankind no longer has over guard who wins in this fight

[dark compass]

Grendel presses 1

It's over

[eager briar]

I’m definitely asked this question before, but I don’t believe I ever received elaboration, what is venari/voruna dogs? Like where did they come from? Did The person given the helminth just perform mitosis and become separate or did a kavat/kubrow I just get the same strain and reacted differently

[dark compass]

Voruna leverian talks about what happened.

Basically she killed Jeffrey Epstein

[spice lotus]

I was thinking what their next warframe after follie could be and based on lore could there be a warframe that builds turrrents like the ones on the zariman?

and if there was to be one what do you think the story would be

[steep glen]

i think it should be a tailor since fashionframe is endgame core

[strange turtle]

It mostly was, years ago

As time went on they made more past stuff, including an entire game and book series set in 30k/theHeresy

And then during a model line reboot they started making big progressions in the modern setting

Relatively big, anyway. It’s slow and most things are effectively the same but on the wider scale there’s changes

[drowsy saddle]

They had to progress the plot, not for story reasons, but to sell new plastic crack

And to invalidate old crack

[empty terrace]

Hmmm. How would Arthur react if the hex and amir met gauss protoframe ?

[bright temple]

It would depend entirely on what the character’s personality would be

[drowsy saddle]

Gauss is a bike enthusiast with an engineering degree

Amir would bond over trying to overclock Gauss' custom electric harley

[polar sparrow]

I wonder what Dante's protoframe would be like

[swift sentinel]

Given previous patterns, a librarian.

[empty terrace]

15% status chance to play game on mute

[fast dew]

I mean considering it was probably Albrecht who modified all the atomicycles, maybe its not a good idea to overclock anything

[dawn shuttle]

Albrecht should troll someone by making them an excalibur umbra protoframe :->

And have them kill their child, of course

[strange plinth]

umbra was prolly made after he left to 1999 permanently

[strange turtle]

Make it a Kaya situation, they got along pretty well and GaussProto helped him figure out the tiny details of modifying the bikes and actually doing the first one

[dawn shuttle]

Well i mean he can probably figure something out, worst case we lend him ours to reverse engineer idk

[fast dew]

I still love that Albrecht got along with Kaya

I can imagine it was hard, it was for us at least

It was probably a similar relationship to Marie's, but less intense

[drowsy saddle]

Or he just imagined her a second Euleria

[dawn shuttle]

I mean at the start at least she kinda doesn't want to be like prodded with questions about herself n stuff

And i get the feeling Albrecht might not be the most interested in asking such questions either

[strange plinth]

i think she definitely reminded him of euleria, with the way that kaya describes her interactions w/ him during archimedea
don't think it went as far as a 'second euleria' though

[drowsy saddle]

He just doesn't understand human interaction

[fast dew]

"Shes a lot like my daughter."

Does things he wish he could've done for his daughter i assume

[fast dew]

From the line, it seemed he'd just listen to her talk about stuff she was interested, much like how we're supposed to

Though, iirc he was rather shocked when kaya found him

"When I'd talk to Entrati about particle physics and the Void, and I LOVE to talk about that stuff, he would just, like, listen to me blather on. But I could tell, by the look in his eye, when I had things right and wrong."

AUHHHHRRGGG

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah i just mean like she kinda doesn't want to get into more personal stuff at the start, so it makes sense they'd get along if he just listens and does reaction faces at her

[clear crypt]

I'm curious. I get the impression that there was some degree of inspiration from Dune in the Orokin's aversion to creating true synthetic life, but do we ever find out why they had that cultural norm? I know to some extent it's an explanation for their heavy focus on biotech, which in turn explains things like The Unum being more... A creature in the shape of a building than what we usually think of as a building.

[topaz pawn]

iirc most of their stuff is regular tech, all the biotech is either a direct consequence of Ballas experimenting or an attempt to counteract the sentients hijacking anything purely mechanical by using biological components

[fast dew]

They used normal tech, just really hated ai

[lean garden]

we don't actually know why, there wasnt a butlerian jihad situation afaik

[clear crypt]

nodnods

It'd be interesting to find out, honestly.

Thank you for pointing out that the biotech was mostly a response to the Old War, @topaz pawn . I don't know why that slipped my mind

[lean garden]

actually, its really mostly the warframes that are spurned by the old war

things like the Venus towers wouldnt have been inspired by the old war

the unum too presumably

plus we have albrechts shit in the labs, that definitely are biotech

[clear crypt]

And Albrecht's projects have been going on for an unspecified length of time.

Nebulously "After the discovery of Void energy" and "Before The New War"

Which is a very large timeframe.

[lean garden]

would be before the Old War too

[clear crypt]

I mean yeah. The discovery of Void energy was before the Old War, so that's an even earlier limit.

[lean garden]

indeed

[clear crypt]

...Although there's nothing to say Orokin civilization wasn't tapping Void energy for a while before Albrecht's first trip into the Void either.

[swift sentinel]

Albrecht discovers Void energy -> Orokin Empire collapses is a very unknown span of time that could be anything

[clear crypt]

Yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyep

[swift sentinel]

There was no Void energy before Albrecht, it was an entirely useless dimension as far as the Orokin were concerned

[clear crypt]

nodnods

[lean garden]

I dont think they could have been tapping on void energy given thats one of the things that albrecht beats himself for

no energy he says

[clear crypt]

Yeah, I went back and read the Requiem Word fragments. Hellbore's right.

Though I should probably move to #spoiler-chat for talking a little bit more about anything past Heart of Deimos when it comes to Entrati stuff.

I think the cutoff for that channel is post-New War.

[dark compass]

Tbh people just use it for the current update stuff

[fast dew]

Entrati mentioned

[cyan sage]

Entrati yay

[magic stag]

man, im a beginner and i really liked the opening segment of the game, like a lot. the whole universe feels really alive and you feel like you're part of something greater that awakened again. then earth ends and its kind of a drag, there's some cool missions here and there but i felt lost more than anything. Then the mod update came in and i decided to give it another try, i actually could finish missions now and got to Duviri and the Second Dream/ War within quests and WOW this game is so hype ive been loving the lore and although i don't have every answer, damn is it good

[waxen mesa]

does the Unum regenerate or are the Osterons slowly destroying the tower?

[tall echo]

¯_(ツ)_/¯

[opaque zenith]

It regen slowly I'd assume, I losely remember a codex fragment saying that but can't say which

[dark compass]

The Unum specifies which part of her Temple-body may be harvested, and when. In this manner her body eternally replenishes, providing her people with flesh to sell, Temple-kuva to refine and oils with which to make remarkable unguents.

Codex

[waxen mesa]

I see 🤔

i imagine new war kinda messed that up a bit but I'm sure Unum is fiiiine

[dark compass]

It seems so

We helped Unum in that quest

[tall echo]

Well the unum is still alive

[waxen mesa]

yes but suffered many unapproved damages

[opaque zenith]

It regen slowly. An airpl murex hiting the tower's rooftop is kinda a little to much to handle, since they can still be destroyed (ex: The RJ derelict towers)

[slate basin]

Nitokh's favorite Frame has to be Garuda.

[fast dew]

I mean. High chance that ballas made it from mockery

Much like Gara

[stiff beacon]

Yes

It does

[fast dew]

Osterons... oestrogen....

[stiff beacon]

Because kuva

[fast dew]

Estrogen....

[tall echo]

Ostron

Estron

[opaque zenith]

She gives (hrt) We live (w/out disphoria)

[waxen mesa]

Oh my god it was so obvious

[tall echo]

Ticker is a former ostron confirmed?

[opaque zenith]

Her whole plotline is that she wasn't an ostron to receive Unum's blessing (pills)

[fast dew]

Wokeframe confirmed 💔/j

[opaque zenith]

There's a g.i.r.l. protag in the starting cutscene 🥀 /j

[fast dew]

Theres fr*nch

[strange turtle]

N*zha and

N*kko aren’t masculine enough

[fast dew]

Those are based on children, so id hope so

[tall echo]

Zephyr and equinox(day) are too masculine!!!11!1!!

Emulating the spammy !1 thing while on a phone makes me feel extra dumb

[fast dew]

Real

[shadow ingot]

What a sweet, kind lady.

[dark compass]

She can't be

Garuda's forehead has M

If it was Nitohk it would've been N

[fast dew]

I assume it was ballas being an ass and making a warframe to piss someone off

Again

[dark compass]

Mitohk

[tall echo]

Or building or whatever she is

[tall echo]

That reasoning is so

Unique

[shadow ingot]

I always wondered what the M stood for

Murder?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/dragon-ball-dragon-ball-z-majin-vegeta-vegeta-gif-25585068

Majin

[shadow ingot]

That makes much more sense

Of course Garuda would be a Majin

[strange turtle]

Would Karissh

[ocean geyser]

Karissh would probably eat you

[fast dew]

Karrish... ugly ass man

[ocean geyser]

Found whatever the hell this is on the reddit

https://www.reddit.com/r/WarframeLore/comments/1qp5h93/endo_and_vitriol_phials/

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/yuji-stare-yuji-itadori-jjk-jujutsu-kaisen-yuji-stare-meme-gif-2566228405341525362

[ocean geyser]

I didn’t see that one-

What the hell does that even mean

[fast dew]

Aya is stored memories. So. I guess... memories are bad now

[ocean geyser]

They are sometimes ig

I wonder what the memories of the Old Peace would have looked like if Wally got to en

Although knowing Wally it’d be some shit like “haha kiddo everyone hated you.”

I feel like our friendship with Adis would have been a prime target

[sour notch]

What's the difference between the drifter and the operator? ( I played all the quests )

[strange turtle]

Do you understand Eternalism

[sour notch]

No

[strange turtle]

Ok so basically. Whenever there’s two possibilities, they both happen, and then there’s two timelines.

For example, imagine you’re going to make a sandwhich. You can either make it, or change your mind and go back to whatever you were doing

Both of these happen. And also, all the other stuff that might’ve happened, like your pet coming and distracting you, you slipping and hurting yourself, or accidentally dropping the ingredients, these happen too, and all get their own timeline.

It’s not specifically two, to be clear, but most people find it easier to understand when you start explaining it with just two

[sour notch]

So one of these version could have the greatest sandwich in history and the other might get atomized by a solar beam

[strange turtle]

If that was possible, even with a very small chance, yes

But it couldn’t, for example, manifest magic powers that don’t exist and fly away from you. Because that doesn’t exist, and it has to be somehow possible with all the things going on in the world at that moment

So anyway

When The Deal was made with Wally, it had an open-ended wording that left 2 Possibilities.

“I can save them, all of them”
In the “main” timeline, the one we play in and our Operator has, we got included

This didn’t happen with the Drifter. “Never said I’d save you”

So while we got our powers, Drifter got nothing and was left alone. They got so scared, they tried to use a children’s book written to help self-regulate your emotions in the Void. The Tales of Duviri

As you can guess, this didn’t work. Drifter’s emotions were so strong that when they wanted a safe space by reading the book, they literally created a safe space, Duviri, through Conceptual Embodiment

[sour notch]

That's insane

[dark compass]

Endo is stored in the balls

[strange turtle]

Drifter became friends with Thrax, who was the king of Duviri in the book, and they had lots of fun. But the people of Duviri don’t age. Drifter did.

So eventually, he outgrew Thrax and Duviri, ended up wanting to leave.

Thrax was very upset, and because of his personal issues and the way he was written to be, he did the natural thing Drifter got executed. Over and over and over.

Until eventually, the Duviri Paradox quest happened, and they escaped into the Zariman and somehow got to our Origin System. TNW happens, they do the thing with Operator and gets powers

[sour notch]

How did the drifter get executed multiple times?

[strange turtle]

Thrax (and Drifter) can loop Duviri

That’s also why Drifter can loop the Protos for KIM

[restive river]

What even are they trying to say here

[restive river]

Ever see groundhog day?

[sour notch]

Nope

[restive river]

Go watch groundhog day

tl;dw
time loop

[fast dew]

The day repeats, and so does the drifter. And so does the murder and executions

[ocean geyser]

They’re trying to tie in endo, vitriol phials and various other things to biology

[restive river]

They certainly are trying ig

[shadow ingot]

Lowk kinda manipulative and rude

Cool way to tie in game mechanics with lore tho

[humble sierra]

My favorite part is when they give Xaku Raya skin lore

[strange turtle]

https://tenor.com/view/what-is-bro-waffling-about-rango-blud-waffling-discord-gif-10831194605784478734

[fast dew]

Ducky would love to know this

[restive river]

Idk if that’s lore
It is a cool fact tho

[storm hearth]

yo are there more commodered frames then just the six primed ones? because i hear galastra say to release a prime frame or one of the insane ones is she like refering to the gen 1 frames??

[restive river]

The ones she’s controlling are gen 2
They have to be
The tenno are in use

[strange turtle]

There’s more, yeah

[storm hearth]

damn

is the orokin that incompotent

[restive river]

An Orokin was backing the Anarchs

[storm hearth]

who galastra or ballas?

[strange turtle]

They were also using an device made by the creator of warframes himself for the comandeered ones

Galastra’s a Dax

[restive river]

Nitokh

[strange turtle]

Their backer was Nitokh (and Roathe)

[storm hearth]

ohhhh

I see now

[fast dew]

Actually do we think those were made to control frames that had gone insane

[strange turtle]

Probably

[ebon fox]

Random thought. DE lore for Heirloom skins.

[pliant panther]

so does 1999 take place in the way past? alternate reality? or something altogether

cause this is warframe and they’re gotta be some warframe shenanigans

[mystic lynx]

Way in the past

[pliant panther]

well now im curious how old the orokin empire is

[topaz pawn]

there's like.. I think 15? nuclear wars inbetween 1999 and the founding of the empire

[mystic lynx]

Smh humanity survived 15 nuclear wars amazing

[lean garden]

at least 18

[drowsy saddle]

At least 18, and the whole infestation

[peak ether]

omg just had the philosophical question about if evil beings deserve to be loved and damn, i knew roathe was the most interesting of the triad but this just puts him so much further ahead than the other two

its been a minute since i acc enjoyed a convo with the protos, i wanna romance marie but her blind reverance towards entrati just makes me feel forced, and lyons is all about giving him space to feel comfortable to speak about his depression / sense of self worth

[lean garden]

well, theres a magical thing where youre meant to wake up her idea of entrati

I dont think youve reached that convo yet hmmm

[peak ether]

yeah i think im on to it now, just discussed about her argument with tagfer

[blissful merlin]

Yea you’re in it now. Now it’s up to you where she goes from this point on her idea of entrati

[waxen mesa]

what's the deal with the simaris lancer story? what attacked the grineer?

[proper barn]

A sentient.

[opaque zenith]

Also, there's a confirmation for that in LettieRank5Convo7

[tall echo]

It's a sentient and that grineer became the new template bc he not only survived a sentient attack but KILLED IT

[opaque zenith]

*It ran away at the end

[tall echo]

Did it?

[opaque zenith]

"[...] I do not know why. I use everything I have left to force the shovel in deeper. The thing reels back. I can feel it running. It is running away." - the very Lancer imprint

[tall echo]

Well, he almost killed it

[main arch]

Y'all I think I figured it out.

[opaque zenith]

Yeah, but it's a almost againt a machine who can self-regen and adapt to your almost kill after. He might've made it worse tbf

[main arch]

The Stalker that gets sent after us after the Jade Shadows quest... isn't the real Stalker.

It's a specter.

And specters can talk, because that's what the specters in the solar rail junctions do.

[dark compass]

No he's just on a paycheck

[tall echo]

No

[main arch]

I feel like he'd be pulling off the Task Master thing then, when he first got sent after the Moon Knight.

[opaque zenith]

He still dips when there's a Jade, a specter would be a little more apathetic than the real one

[main arch]

That's fair. You think they pay him first before he is sent out? Or he comes back and demands "compensation" for "loss of equipment."

[opaque zenith]

Whatever it is, seems like an easy and cheap payment to give him, the corpus knows something about milk anyway...

[main arch]

Oh yeah right

[main arch]

... The idea he is being contacted by the INFESTATION and given a contract whenever we kill the Zealoid or Lephantis is... immensely funny to me.

[opaque zenith]

Nah, Infestation is bs. Bro's just ragebaiting for funzies in these

Or free biomass, infested healthcare, wtvr

[waxen mesa]

what's the signifigance of 'light' in warframe?

i notice the term comes up a lot, like a lot a lot

Lancer imprint refers to the apperent sentient as a light.

Wally wanted Operator's light

Operator has conflicting lights inside them

[fast dew]

Light is probably used sometimes as a way to say. Idk. Soul?

[dark compass]

Oro

[proper barn]

Good question.

[topaz pawn]

helps us see

[fast dew]

Oh actually I never asked, where is this from? I need it for. Reasons

[tall echo]

A roach chat

[main arch]

Actually.

Hold I forgot his name The steadfasts.

[fast dew]

Yeah but what one 😭

[violet storm]

Quinn? Cavelero?

[main arch]

Quinn

[fast dew]

Oh

[main arch]

There we go. He actually commented on just how bright our light is.

[fast dew]

... interesting.

Oh no wwre yapping about 2 whole different things hold on

[main arch]

Which means what's likely happening here is that sentient creations of the Void need to find a light, likely to complete themselves. Which means need souls.

Considering the fact the Scathing Whispers and what not mimic us in appearance, these things are GENUINELY fae-like.

[fast dew]

Isnt that just a mild case of CE?

[main arch]

This is literally how fae are in real folklore. They STEAL from you, appearance, name, memories and etc, until they've effectively replaced you.

[violet storm]

I Wonder what the Drifter/operator’s name was

[fast dew]

The whispers, i mean

[fast dew]

Yuep. Commonly called changlings - the replacement

[main arch]

Even Dagath's lore supports this somewhat, as Dagath is clearly a Dullahan, who spared Grandmother only because Grandmother gave Dagath her name... Dagath.

[violet storm]

Time to break out the horseshoes

[tall echo]

In the convo where he talks about dax speech habits :)

[main arch]

Y'all the Void is literally the faewilds from DND. We are so cooked.

We are beyond cooked.

[tall echo]

Nah

[fast dew]

Im gonna throw something at you

[tall echo]

Just don't throw your pom 2

[fast dew]

No, ill throw my pom 3

[dark compass]

Imagine not having pom 4

[final iron]

Can anyone explain to me or link to me somewhere where i can find an explanation to what happened in the hostile merger event ?

[ocean geyser]

There technically is multiple Loids

Technically

Ngl NecraLoid just seems like Loid but not gay

Cephalon moment ig

[ocean geyser]

The wiki has transcripts for it iirc

[fast dew]

True

[ocean geyser]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Operation:_Hostile_Mergers

[final iron]

Thanks

[restive river]

Whatever your name is

[strange turtle]

No they’re talking about the old one

Drifter doesn’t remember their own name, they’ve just been getting called “Drifter” the whole time

[tall echo]

Karl

[restive river]

Operator’s referred to as whatever your username is
So that is a name we have

[strange turtle]

Considering that they don’t get it back when they meet Operator or Ordis, whatever their name is seems to be a new one and not the old one

[strange turtle]

Yes, but not the name they had

[restive river]

Unless it
Is?

[tall echo]

I feel like the username is more like a codename bc like

[restive river]

If Operator stuck with the same name then that’s Drifter’s old name

[tall echo]

Who names their child "last_huntsman"

[restive river]

Oh probably, closest thing to an actual name though

[midnight ice]

lotta old bosses haven't parsed the new string names right so sometimes they'd call me "Homidinis Microsoft Windows"

[restive river]

LOL

[strange turtle]

And clearly they didn’t, because as I just said, Drifter says they don’t know it, meaning that Operators got a new name too

Aside from the thousand other new names

[midnight ice]

saw a tenno named MPREGMAFIA the other day

[restive river]

Unless they did and Drifter just feels it doesn’t fit them anymore

Afaik we don’t have anything concrete about where our username comes from in-universe

Is it a codename?
Is it our actual name?
Is it a combo of the two?
I don’t think anything actually says

[strange turtle]

Yes but it doesn’t matter if it fits them or not, because they’re talking about forgetting it

If they have rediscovered it from the Operator, it’s not forgotten anymore, they have the name back even if they choose to not use it

[restive river]

Unless Margulis sealed away our own name too then Drifter, in theory, should know it due to the Operator existing
They may have forgotten it
They may not feel it even fits them
But they should be aware of it

[pale cedar]

Tbh DE probably just let us see what we want our name to be for freedom of choice

[rugged parcel]

Does anyone have a video or the list of quotes the ventkids say when you bring Yareli Prime around? Is it even different from bringing Yareli?

[restive river]

I’m not seeing anything special

[rugged parcel]

Okay, thanks

[ebon prism]

what is the lore to deck 12?

[silk atlas]

Zuud pretty much spits it all out during the Exploiter fight: Destroyed facility where "The Zuud" (a group) tried rebelling and then got condensed into just Zuud, the Solaris you talk to

[ebon prism]

what the flip

[fast dew]

I. I know folk who would do this

[strange turtle]

They were whatever-plets, and in WF twins, triplets etc have special like, empath bonds

[restive river]

Do Eleanor and Arthur express that at all :?

[dark compass]

I don't think so

I thought Zuud were just linked up with tech

[strange turtle]

Nah

It’s a thing with the Queens and Lorists too

[dark compass]

Hm

[strange turtle]

It seems like it might happen over time though?

No clue why Arthur and Eleanor don’t have it though

Maybe it was a mutation or something?

[keen latch]

I thought they had something like a sensorium or whatever. But I'm vaguely remembering things.

[humble sierra]

There was that scene after the tank fight where Arthur saw Entrati and Eleanor provided some flowery description of him, but that's more than likely just her telepathy and background as a writer

[gentle isle]

I thought she also saw wally

"a pallid beast, tap tap tapping"

[humble sierra]

What's the lore behind the Pink Shorts glyph? Is it just a DevSHORTS joke? Why pink specifically?

[lean garden]

steve wore pink shorts alot

so much so that when reb took over steve, much like handing over a torch, handed her a pair of pink shorts

[restive river]

That’s Kalymos iirc

[rare scarab]

Wait do we just need the protoframes and captura to get the protoframs talking about the place they are in??? How come I never heard about this???

[north jolt]

More evidence that Gabe is canon in the WF universe

[waxen mesa]

would Kahl be able to pilot a warframe?

[north jolt]

No

[waxen mesa]

like is anything stopping him, besides being burnt out, from using an ascaris?

[north jolt]

Aside from the queens, Grineer dont really have the same capability for transferrence that the Tenno do

[sterile spear]

so we have Grineer, Corpus and basically Infested (Techrot) Adversary. Do you think they will release a Sentient Adversary at some point? But currently who is the leader of the Sentient? Not Hunhow since he just chilling at the bottom of the ocean. Pazuul probably busy with Narmer. But Sentient as a whole? Do you think there are other Archons that survive the war asides from the Amar, Boreal, Nira and Pazuul?

[ocean geyser]

It could be
Just can’t be sure atm
Although we did theorize this a bunch that, Sentient Adversaries could be Xenoflora focused

That being here

And here

And here

[lean garden]

I mean, would be any less than galaria burning herself to control the commandeered warframes?

transference as a technology to be used exists

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah, you can even transfer into a tree

Pickle ballas

[tall echo]

That's not the case and not the issue

[tall echo]

No bc it would make him lose his mind, as the frame's trauma would affect him

[waxen mesa]

is not that what burning out is?

[tall echo]

No and what is "burning out" supposed to be

[tall echo]

Pazuul is the leader of the sentients we currently have to deal with

[restive river]

via somatics theoretically anyone can

[waxen mesa]

did you not play dang perita?

i mean old peace

non tenno piloting warframes causes burning out

which is death

[tall echo]

I don't memorize every bit of dialogue from unreplayable quests and my phone despises wikis

[fast dew]

Oh isn't that infestation madness? When a wf isnt piloted by a tenno amd goes mad?

[waxen mesa]

no

piloting a warframe without an ascaris will cause you to 'burn out' which i assume means die or getting locked into a warframe

[fast dew]

... burn out

You get... burnt out

You get tired 😭

Thats what I think its tryna say lol

[waxen mesa]

...no

given warframe terms I asume it's namesake comes from emotional burnout. but it's phrased as if its a bad thing

[fast dew]

Burn out is getting stupidly tired from doing something for a period of time, unless theyre saying it like it killed the tenno
-# which, tbh, burnout does feel like that

[waxen mesa]

🙄

dictionary =/= lore

[fast dew]

Ehh, transference relies on an aspect of empathy, which can lead to emotional burn out

[waxen mesa]

it is phrased as if burning out is death

or otherwise something bad

[fast dew]

Can you get the quote?

And burn out is bad, it assume that its harder to control the warframe when you can't continue to empathise with it

[waxen mesa]

ok im sorry the quote was "burn up"

[fast dew]

Tbf it came from adis, brother isnt the best at speaking

[waxen mesa]

anyway thinking about old peace im now wondering

can/could Operator speak sentient?

im thinking of if the Amar captions were for us the player or if Operator could understand so we could understand

[waxen mesa]

yeah anyway. point is non-tenno can't pilot warframes without harming themselves

[stray herald]

how does ascaris work? since using it apparently burns out the user

[slate basin]

I imagine its like this

[lean garden]

it borrows into the warframe and eventually commandeers it

[stray herald]

Burrows?

[stray herald]

But how does it effect the user?

[lean garden]

like yknow dig into

[lean garden]

well for one, the user wont be able to control the warframe

[stray herald]

But how does it burn out the user like galastra did

[lean garden]

Im hazarding a good guess that its causing a lethal dose of mental strain

solo jaeger pilot from pacific rim type shit

[stray herald]

I like your words, magic man

[woven trench]

I feel like they should really consider bringing back seasonal nightwave stories

[proper barn]

It was so much work. They should rerun old stories though.

Is my take still.

[woven trench]

Mmmm...is it?

I feel like modern day DE is more then capable of dropping short story missions once in a while

[drowsy saddle]

they'd probably just roll it into a new warframe and its dedicated content

[proper barn]

Okay so it would be short missions that disappeare.

Also the 3 nws we had with stories

Effected all of the star chart.

[woven trench]

Correction: they don't dissapear

[proper barn]

Like the enemies for the nw could spawn in ANY missions.

[onyx echo]

What is the man in the wall's actual plan and why is it actually the bad guy? From my understanding all he's really done is troll / mess with Albrecht for his part in messing with the void which hurts him which is fair and he also saved all the tenno so I'm not really getting why he's the bad guy other than he's a spooky eldritch force

[sly swan]

i have question about warframes

i know the originals were people. but when they were started to be built rather than made from hosts, how exactly do they still carry those bits and pieces of the former original person.

similar to umbra

how did umbra retain his conscience/soul when we built him the sacrifice quest

wouldnt it have been a duplicate of him?

a souless husk?

[fast dew]

Get his finger back, probably kill Albrecht and his closest, probably kill us and probably destroy this universe, much like he did the others

[onyx echo]

Oh I didn't realise he's destroyed universes

[fast dew]

We think he did so, based on the temporal dust description. He can and has collapsed timelines onto each other too, iirc (Baro and us)

So. Understandably Albrecht really doesnt want wally to get that finger

He also made us kill our parents :)

[sly swan]

i thought everyone's parents went void insane and killed themselves

and each other

[onyx echo]

Was it his fault that the zariman adults went insane?

[fast dew]

The void doesnt drive people insane. It just hurts and or kills (Albrecht and teshin). Wally messes with minds (look at the cavia). Drifter also blames wally for it

The cavia as in bird 3, fib and tagfer, the other cavia died because void exposure usually just kills

[fast dew]

Mhm. Then he gave us our powers!

[drowsy saddle]

What does void exposure taste like

I imagine its 5gum

[sly swan]

i imagine radiation

so metalic

[onyx echo]

I thought the void because it's a void just reflects and copies stuff in your head as it's a void without like any form of creation from itself so when the zariman blinked in it was the equivalent of a bullet getting shot into it which caused it a lot of pain which then fed back into the minds of the adults?

I don't see what he really gains from getting the adults killed and giving the kids superpowers if through the void he's got timey whimey vision and he knows that we're gonna mess with him

[topaz pawn]

spaces like to be filled

a whole lot of space needs something very big to fill it up

[onyx echo]

I really hate when characters that supposedly can see across all time and every dimension do something that is obviously going to backfire

[golden raptor]

how did we even time travel in this game?

[onyx echo]

I believe through void stuff/ eternalism everything is always happening all the time so through it you can just will yourself back

[lean garden]

no?

thats not remotely close to how we did it

We hitched a ride through the big helminth mouth

sent a proxy warframe to the past and then transferenced into it

and then out

[onyx echo]

Then how did Albrecht get there?

[lean garden]

he had a time machine

one that he made loid smash during the Old War

[onyx echo]

Which works through void stuff

[lean garden]

and nothing to do with "willing yourself back"

and also very little to do with eternalism

[lean garden]

thats the magic of the warframes!

Its an exact duplicate of umbra. For all intents and purposes, its the same but not same fella

[atomic wave]

I've got a question, if we had these silver flowers to make the sentinel peacefull... Couldnt we just remake them with our technology and make them peaceful again, now after ball ass is dead?

[sly swan]

so its similar to grinner cloning just better?

[lean garden]

well, those were alien lifeforms so

also like the Old and New War is over

[topaz pawn]

xenoflora might have a very different structure to DNA

[atomic wave]

We can replicate frames, companions and breed animals...im Shure we could replicate some flowers

[lean garden]

I mean grineer cloning is flawed

Our foundry is orokin era tech

[sly swan]

ok, then how about why only the orginals (umbra excluded) had personalities and acted independently. what is different from them than from our perfect clones? is similar to how when jade died, her soul kinda lived on in the nearby tech (according to hunhow)

[topaz pawn]

hard to print a soul

[sly swan]

then how did we reprint umbras soul?

he still had the same memories and personality

and the will to attack and introspect

[topaz pawn]

hard doesn't mean impossible and I was going to say all frames do have some semblance of their former self

drifter talks about it in a kim conversation

[sly swan]

i remember that.

[topaz pawn]

my impression is that it would have to do with Umbra's special transference bolt

[lean garden]

I take it you've not engaged much with the KIM? or are you not there yet?

[sly swan]

i think umbra is similar to jade. when he was destroyed and we rebuilt him, his lingering power reconnected to the new umbra body.

[sly swan]

im trying to do it daily

its only been a week or more

[lean garden]

what is your Hex rank?

[sly swan]

3?

2for 1

[lean garden]

ah, youve not met Lizzie yet

[sly swan]

indeed

[lean garden]

yea so in essence

all Infestation is connected

[sly swan]

wouldnt each strain be independent tho?

[lean garden]

youd think huh, no

[topaz pawn]

they've all got a common ancestor at some point or another

[lean garden]

theyre all connected

eventually when you get to the triad you'll see a very clear example

[sly swan]

isnt that temple?

[topaz pawn]

Lizzie's the guitar

[sly swan]

i got spoiled on him

[lean garden]

No Temple is in the roundtable, also theys a they/them

[topaz pawn]

I won't say anything outside of that though lol

[sly swan]

mmm.

[lean garden]

also like, the notion of a "soul" is already dubious irl, much less in warframe

if you rebuild a man 1:1 is he not the same man

[topaz pawn]

new Warframe: Theseus

[drowsy saddle]

Is a plucked chicken not a man?

[sly swan]

i know that. thats why its hard to wrap my head around umbra being sentient after being built than grown.

[topaz pawn]

actually that would go crazy

[high willow]

Hi need some help no body in game can invite me or I can’t invite them says I’m offline but I’m not it’s been like this for days

[drowsy saddle]

But what is a man but a miserable pile of secrets?

[lean garden]

but its the same man

all effect of qualia are the same

[sly swan]

then the same thing applies to the others

why arent they sentient

able to act independent

[topaz pawn]

they are

[lean garden]

oho, talk to lizzie and find out

[lean garden]

yesnt

[sly swan]

this question is scratching my brain and its annoying me

[topaz pawn]

Umbra had a specific transference bolt built for him by Ballas to torture him and that's what kept him "motivated"

[lean garden]

hell, stalker and jade were both equally motivated too

[topaz pawn]

different catalysts, same result

[sly swan]

jade seemed less bent on destruction and revenge

[topaz pawn]

strong enough will can overpower any amount of infestation insanity

[lean garden]

personally I believe its the regular transference bolt that inhibits warframe autonomy, but I just havent been able to get DE to directly state its purpose

[topaz pawn]

because her motivation isn't Hate like stalker or umbra

[lean garden]

jade was very hell bent on keeping her child alive

she's held on for so so so long

[sly swan]

i meant more on how she seemed to be the same as the other warframes then, until she turned and protected the stalker

and the fall happened etc

also whats the best way to farm hex standing?

is it just the tier 5 bounty?

[topaz pawn]

treasures are pretty easy

[lean garden]

that and just pick up and turn in the green things

[sly swan]

that is a painfully slow grind

[lean garden]

well thats because she was supposed to be connected to an operator

which she mom'd to sleep

and then pretended to be piloted

or rather nobody noticed

[sly swan]

i thought during that time the warframes were independent "bio drones" until they turned and the tenno began to puppeteer them

[lean garden]

the orokin are lovers of hypocrisy and exceptions

they made jade and stalker as punishments

and had them in a time where autonomous frames were to be destroyed

its okay to go back on your word if its to torture someone

[sly swan]

so the autonomous portion of the warframe, is a design option?

like built into the blueprint of a warframe?

[tall echo]

Sometimes

[sly swan]

okay, and were the primes those same blueprints just "upgraded" for orokin personal protection?

[ocean geyser]

Upgraded yes, but not specifically for protection

[sly swan]

well i havent played old peace so i guessed

[ocean geyser]

There’s not really a baseline for why the Orokin made primes

[topaz pawn]

just fancy deluxe models for whoever could afford it

[ocean geyser]

They just
Kind of did it because they wanted to

[sly swan]

were most warframes during that time grown from hosts? or was that only the first "original" time they were made

[ocean geyser]

tenno controlled frames are considered second generation

[sly swan]

and subsequent models were built from foundries

[ocean geyser]

First gens are basically just infested people

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[sly swan]

so the question of autonomy is usually how they were made

interesting

i go do math homework

its 5 am and its due at 10 am

[opaque zenith]

If it helps, think of gens to define which one is which:
Gen1: First (prime or not), actual people, autonomous (but transference is still possible);
Gen2: Stale, built to only move/work with an Operator.
So, Jade on the quest is Gen1, on the Foundry is Gen2
Umbra on the quest is Gen1, on the Foundry is Gen1.5(?) cause upgrated ordis is that good

[tall echo]

Unspecified

[opaque zenith]

TLDR: Everything Always has been a Pokemon reference someway

[tall echo]

Excited for gen 5 warframes

[sly swan]

that makes sense. i was really hoping i was right about it being similar to jade's "will" residing in the stalker's lair after death, which in the case of umbra would've been quick enough for him to be "ressurected" as his "will" hadn't dissipated enough. again i understand why it isnt this way, but man. it would've been cool

[tall echo]

Umbra's memory is stored on his unique transference bolt which got replicated when we rebuilt him

[opaque zenith]

They turned a keychain into a frame in this gen

[tall echo]

That's gen 6

[sly swan]

never heard of that. thats interesting

[tall echo]

Umbra is gen 2 with a special torture method built in

[sly swan]

when kim chat daily reset

[tall echo]

The difference between gen 1 and 2 is just pre-/post-operator

[tall echo]

Same as every other daily reset

[sly swan]

5am?

[tall echo]

Idk your time zone

[sly swan]

ah dang it

[lean garden]

in like 12hrs?

[sly swan]

i remember its 5pm not am

dang it

its 5 am now for me

[opaque zenith]

Could be that yes, just chose 1.5 because of my method of separation of Gens

[tall echo]

Umbra is gen 2 either way bc he's made after the return of the 10-0

Like. WAY after

[opaque zenith]

And my definition was Gen1=First, independent of timeframe

Also i'm separating "quest Umbra" and "foundry Umbra", even if the former was only in the initial cutscene, and memories, in a way

[arctic kiln]

How can I do this pls help

[ocean geyser]

It’s basically just perform multiple tricks consecutively

You can do it while grinding to keep the chain up

Also this is lore chat lmao

[arctic kiln]

Xd sry

[opaque zenith]

The lore of the first person to touch waverider in 84 years

[onyx echo]

Sorry for the very delayed ping but this got me thinking a lot. Arguably the existence of time travel has everything to do with eternalism, to travel to somewhere it has to exist, which in presentism you can't as there would only be the present in the singular reality and the past would be set in stone but we know that's wrong as we have divergent timelines/multiverses because of eternalism this then allows us to travel between them thus enabling the time travel from happening (although the actual mechanics to actually do this in application is just void magic basically). I'm struggling a bit to explain it into words but I'm probably just overthinking the science fantasy as if it's hard sci fi and should probably just be handwaving it away as magic but yeah.

[fast dew]

He did this to isolate the kids

Wally needs people to be isolated to manipulate them better

Its lowkey kinda predatory of him but thats besides the point

[midnight ice]

in a KIM dialogue drifter mentioned something in the lines of the Void doing it for the hell of it; just to see what would happen if a parent is forced to go against their instinct of protecting their child, smth like that. iirc!

im gonna have to dig around again but im sure its in the Quincy line

[fast dew]

He does this to Albrecht and Loid, possibly the family too ||especially now that we know that at least grandmother knows of wally||, probably the hex, us with our parents, Rulsalka and her parents and maybe viktor?

Drifter says it as if Rulsalka and Viktor had. Something???

[onyx echo]

It's just confusing as to why he would create the thing that he knows is going to kill him / stop him

[fast dew]

He didnt expect it

Wally cant see the future lol

[midnight ice]

pointing out the obvious: themes of deep connections vs deep isolation just permeating every inch of the lore.. it's everywhere you look and it's in everyone you know

[fast dew]

Hes just really good at manipulation

[lean garden]

Ah, you're referring to block time, and not warframes additional splits. Yes, in that notion eternalism (as block time) is needed for having a past to travel to.

Although, given the vast amount time travel media, I dont think presentism necessarily precludes traveling back

[fast dew]

Its almost as if the great indifference is apart of a metaphor of sorts. Hmmm..

[onyx echo]

Why did they make silly mmo space ninja number go brrr game so complicated

[fast dew]

Its been like this for a while

[midnight ice]

i really enjoy the complexity

[fast dew]

You just didnt realise it until now

[midnight ice]

yes sorry 😭 having an "oh damn!" moment where i go through every single character in the game in my head and realize they're all related to the concept one way or the other

[fast dew]

I really enjoy a lot of the characters and how they're written

[onyx echo]

I like it too but it's just such a headache

[fast dew]

Me when I replayed the new war and realised Albrecht wrote a book with his daughter and was generally mentioned all the way back in 2020

[lean garden]

only two things can see ahead and they both have terrible comms skills

[fast dew]

I assume thats Albrecht and uh. The unum or whatever the spelling is

[midnight ice]

Unum is correct

all she does is give visions to people, stop time, eat hot chip, lie

[fast dew]

Because. Like. If Albrecht managed to look through the past. Like. Could he look through through the future

[fast dew]

Shes so real for this

Shes just a girl

[onyx echo]

How can Albrecht see into the future? If he can surely the huge eldritch interdimensional intelligence can

[lean garden]

unum and the infested

albrecht cant see diddily

[lean garden]

I mean, theres a good difference between going to recce a place and knowing

and being able to see

[ocean geyser]

They’re not just “some” flowers
For one we don’t know what their internal structures are like
We also probably burnt all of them, which isn’t a good good start for when you want to make more of something
And we don’t even know how long it’s been since then (although it’s most likely been a good several hundred years)

It’s not that simple

[atomic wave]

But..but...
We can "sink" back in time to participate in the war/do missions...so why don't we analyze them there and take the knowledge to "now" and replicate them...

[fast dew]

Ehh. How different is it? Theres gotta be some form of monitoring equipment, right? And he did. Kinda, effectively travel to the future?

[ocean geyser]

The best weve done is orbiter decorations

[opaque zenith]

Inb4 we take V.E.R.D.I.E back in time to take the flowers off the Orokin menu or smt

[fast dew]

Yet again im here wondering what in the old peace was to lead us to find Albrecht again

[lean garden]

eeer, its the difference between a 2D creacher on a drawing using its flat eyes to look around and a 3D being looking down on the 2D plane

[fast dew]

"This is the only way to find Albrecht" LOTUS WHERE IS HE

[fast dew]

I guess?

[north jolt]

Fair point. Then Kahl might be able to in theory, but is probably not well built for it in reality

Not to hate on Kahl, he's definitely more mentally stable then the average grineer but probably still has a bit of brain rot

[lean garden]

I mean he'd definitely be able to do it once

not sure if there'll be a next time tho

[north jolt]

Oh now there's a idea

Kahl forcing himself into a warframe (somehow) as part of some last stand 1v1 fight

[strange turtle]

We’re not actually going back in time, just going into our memories

But we also potentially couldn’t replicate them anyway

Our foundry can only replicate living Infested stuff because of how resilient it is, anything else organic is too difficult

Organic life is composed of soft tissues and malleable sinew sustained by an inefficient plasma designed to protect the core being from external threats.

Organic components are difficult to construct and even more tedious to properly store for future use. The Foundry, while capable of replicating natural and synthetic materials such as fabric or metals, is not properly equipped for the growth of organic life. This also does not take into consideration the complications in growing 'living' subjects – a point of difficulty the Grineer have long tried to overcome.

Infested tissue is the only known exception to this parameter, as it can be easily grown and thrives in any environment.

Obviously we don’t know for sure that it wouldn’t work on them, since they’re alien metal flowers, but considering they immediately died from an atmosphere change and the Infestation can survive space I wouldn’t bet on it

[hot trout]

just finished whispers in the walls quest should i do zariman, jade, or lotus eater next

[ocean geyser]

Lotus eaters is essentially a mini quest in between whispers and the Hex

[opaque zenith]

There's not much of an exclusive order for quests, but the oficial site have a sort of guideline if you feel indecisive on what's next

[hot trout]

ty

[opaque zenith]

Here https://www.warframe.com/pt-br/guides/quests

[ocean geyser]

Wtf is this guy saying

I can’t even comprehend this lmao

[ocean geyser]

This is a very severe misunderstanding of the game’s lore

[restive river]

Only thing that makes sense is Xaku probably bring a product of CE
That’s literally it

[ocean geyser]

They also keep saying “seem” which suggests they’re not even certain about what they’re talking about

Im not sure how they thought the Sentients accomplished what they did because of the void
Given that the Sentients literally have a well known void allergy

[restive river]

They think Tau’s a conceptually embodied place like Duviri so

I think they got confused cause Hunhow’s family went back through the void
But
That scarred them

[ocean geyser]

Mhm
They think it was a trade rather than Void Allergy

Somehow

[pale cedar]

It has as much thought put into it as did this person make a deal with Wally theories

[fast dew]

[eager granite]

Hey! Is there lore on why Orokin’s have the long arm? And why they are shades of blue?

[restive river]

It’s fashionable

[ocean geyser]

Yeah that’s literally it

[strange plinth]

body modification for both
the long arm is to represent "generosity"

[fast dew]

Blue looks cool, and so does the long arm

[eager granite]

Hahahaha

[fast dew]

Whatever "generosity" could mean in regards to an orokin

They could be other colours too

Green and purple

[eager granite]

Ohhhh. Ty yall~

[fast dew]

[ocean geyser]

Wait why’s it in spanish lmao

[loud oriole]

Portuguese (Brazil)

[ocean geyser]

Ohh

[ashen pulsar]

the pt-br in the link

[ocean geyser]

Ahh

[mystic lynx]

What does Kaya mean when she says "SU Forever"? Solaris United?

[fast dew]

Ye i think so?

[mystic lynx]

Ig Larunda is on venus so maybe she visits them

[tall echo]

It's. Not tho

[atomic wave]

But what Abt the cures and stuff?

[strange turtle]

Cures?

[drowsy saddle]

Larunda is on mercury lmoa, venus' relay is destroyed. Sides, Kaya's SU forever is basically her version of "Wu-Tang!"

[fast dew]

Lmoa... l moa.... moa.....

[drowsy saddle]

Damn now i wanna build a second moa

L MOA + RATIO

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-moa-happy-lilliannette-i-have-done-nothing-productive-gif-14997217

Me rn

[tall echo]

I have only one moa and his name is exe. I am very creativen't

[normal mountain]

I have had two moas

I don't remember what I named the first one, it got sold to Legs the minute I made my hacker moa

It's name is 0V3RR1D3

[drowsy saddle]

I like the chicken head one for the grouping

[humble sierra]

I name my modular equipment after the main item or sometimes even a portmanteau of the whole thing

My moa was named Paraboo

My first Amp was the Raklapcha (111)

[stiff pulsar]

I HAVE A QUESTION

how ARE we going to get to tau?

[strange plinth]

good question

its possible(?) that we rebuild the solar rail, as the tau side of that could still be intact
we can't move the zariman, so no jumping to tau that way

[ocean geyser]

What if we used the zariman as a solar rail
Like
Without moving it

Assuming it’s pointed in the general direction of tau at least

[strange plinth]

maybe?
not sure what exactly constitutes a solar rail or if we could convert the zariman into one

[stiff pulsar]

What the first time we got there

We didn’t see it happen when we got back FROM tau

Nor got there

[ashen pulsar]

we used the solar rails

both times

[stiff pulsar]

Solar rails I’m sorry did I miss something?

[tall echo]

My amps are
Void blaster(111, very temporary, lazy name)
Gehenna(flamethrowmer)
Rapido(burst fire)

[tall echo]

?

[tall echo]

That's not how solar rails work...

[drowsy saddle]

No clue, buuuut. Praghasa is still there, next to the sun

[stiff pulsar]

…no your not thinking…..

[tall echo]

Is she?

[drowsy saddle]

Honestly a sentient themed version of Descendia using the criminally underused murex tileset would be neat

[stiff pulsar]

Ok but how are we going to get control of it think about it multiple defenses and the FREAKING SUN!?

[drowsy saddle]

Descendia gamemode

We fish hunhow out of uranus and put the 2 together

[stiff pulsar]

Wha.. h-how?

[drowsy saddle]

Keep in mind the original tau rail was built out of the corpses of the sentients

[stiff pulsar]

AGAIN…THE LITTERAL SUN!

[drowsy saddle]

We have the power of family

[tall echo]

Are you forgetting the end of tnw

[strange plinth]

the solar rails, the junctions used to get around the system
there was one from origin to tau, its what the sentients built on their way there
hunhow destroyed the side in the origin system during the latter half of the old war, and pazuul has (presumably) been rebuilding it with all of his resource collection
-# i might be missing something now, but the info's there anyway

[normal mountain]

-# who knew Solar Rails took so much Cryotic?

[drowsy saddle]

Solar rails are made of Sibears

[waxen mesa]

100% telerium

[tall echo]

At least it's not tellurium

[lean garden]

@tall echo he's right tho

sentient bodies were used to make the rail to tau

the pylons are all sentients

[tall echo]

I was asleep during the quest I guess wth

[strange plinth]

iirc that bit is mentioned when you're at the window w/ adis?

[lean garden]

Adis: "Making up the great Rail, was the telling. First you serve as labor. Then you serve as parts"

[tall echo]

I think I actually did zone out there

[waxen mesa]

Tbf it was a secret message during the teaser arg

[lean garden]

that too

[lean garden]

which all goes back to:

SENTIENT SENTIENCE IS VOID BASED RAAAAAAAAH

SENTIENT WEAKNESS TO VOID IS CONSCIOUSNESS BASED NOT MATERIAL BASED RAAAAAAAH

[ocean geyser]

i mean
a dead body doesn't really have secret weaknesses

[lean garden]

if it was a material weakness the bodies should not be expected to be utilised in a giant void contraption

[ocean geyser]

i realize i was about to make a point aligned with yours
that their bodies only react to the void when alive and such
even then i doubt that their consciousnesses are void based

[lean garden]

where else are you going to source a collective consciousness

[humble sierra]

I started naming them thematically, like Wrath of the Zariman, Broken Peace, Lesson of Itzam

[lean garden]

that whole place is a gold mine of mind juice

[ocean geyser]

shrug

then again void is weak to void for whatever reason

the Thrax arent fans of getting shot by it

[normal mountain]

Reminds me of what my brain did to me one day when listening to the Lullaby of the Manifold

"Cast and cry, cast and cry,
Raise the million pylons high-"
"YOU MUST CONSTRUCT ADDITIONAL PYLONS."

Protoss used to be one of my favorite StarCraft factions, can you tell?

[normal mountain]

I'd bet it's so the Wall Man can keep them in line

"Oh, you don't like what I'm telling you to do?"
mouth Void Laser

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah fairly sure the lyrics imply that the sentients are the pylons

[normal mountain]

Probably
But each time think of pylons I get Protoss screaming in my head
So I try not to think about it much

But yeah, they're probably made from Sentients

[midnight ice]

ooh! mine is Grofit-Taker (222), Insulindian Cannonade (147)

[scenic shell]

The philosophy you learn about in the flash backs is eternalism right?

[restive river]

Yeah
Though those weren’t flashbacks

We learned about it and other stuff on the Zariman

[fast dew]

Theories of time yuppie

I like how Mother talks about eternalism in the class

[tall echo]

Eternalism; the most pointless plot device to ever exist. Current actual uses: 0!

[lean garden]

technically 2

[dire mountain]

Drifter and I forgor

Also arguably relics

[ashen pulsar]

well, there's operator and drifter
that whole thing kinda doesn't work

cuz they make it seem like wally condensed all possible versions of them into two

but then eternalism just couldn't exist from then on

[river tangle]

what is, brain shelving look like?

got their head replaced or wat

[dark compass]

I assume since it's mostly their heads that remain

Their brains literally get put on a shelf

In full sensory deprivation

And if you stay like that for too long you're gonna become a husk, according to a certain Solaris member

Because you're spending time as a brain isolated from everything

[lean garden]

and nunleanor

[midnight ice]

nunleanor was crazy. due to eternalism somewhere out there is Marie with an infested tongue

[dark compass]

She just found Marie and got very confused

[drowsy saddle]

Im sure Eleanor would be more than happy to give marie tongue

[strange turtle]

…The only issue we had last time we went was the solar flares from Praghasa messing with the sun, why would we have issues this time?

[drowsy saddle]

That's cause ballas wanted to bring Praghasa along, we just need a door big enough for the Orbiter to go through

And the railjack

[spice moth]

Gumball is Excalibur Umbra: confirmed

[urban ice]

It's funny to think that when I was searching something else I found stuff about egregor
And that might be some clue about what Indifference really is

[fast dew]

Hm? If you're meaning the indifference being a product of conceptual embodiment, we've known that since whispers dropped iirc

[urban ice]

That's true, I just didn't knew it had an actual name 🤔

[fast dew]

Yeah, conceptual embodiment is what we think, what Albrecht and whatever one of his creations that made the operator report thinks too. Roathe probably picked it up from the Report, but ||grandmother also seems to think so||

[urban ice]

Looks like so, hopefully we will get more as the story progress
and maybe kick it's ass if it have any

[golden raptor]

why did we have to go through the helminth in order to time travel? does helminth have like a time machine hidden inside it? also, why is it that we can bring the 3 from la cathedrale to the present but we can't for the hex?

[strange turtle]

We can bring the Triad because Roathe made a portal, and Drifter doesn’t know how

The KIM chats explain why, vaguely. Infestation hivemind exists across time, so using that connection they somehow got an Excal in 1999, and Drifter got to piggyback with Transference

[golden raptor]

...how did that excal make it to 1999? like they communicated to the helminth from 1999 to craft an excalibur there or something?

[strange turtle]

I said somehow for a reason

Maybe it reconstructed an Excal, maybe it can just do some portal stuff (since we go to the Cathederal with a portal and we know Roathe got back by reverse engineering a Helminth), they keep it vague

[opaque zenith]

One extra theory is that the past Excal is one of the volunters and so, was already there in the past (same Drifter piggybacking).
But yeah, no definitive answers

[golden raptor]

i see. also, is flare like... Temple prime? and how do gemini skins work? do we just, summon the protoframe or something?

[topaz pawn]

Flare eventually will become temple

[topaz pawn]

all infestation is connected, so we sent an Excalibur through our helminth and out of 1999's. same method we used to get all our regular stuff later

[pale cedar]

Flare is base Temple not Temple Prime yet

Proto’s going into modern day can be explained by

[topaz pawn]

and the protos were an insurance in case that method didn't work

[opaque zenith]

Best bet for understanding Flare is waiting for a possible prime trailer, if DE don't get too busy at that time. For gemini, seems like it's a non-cannon-cannon situation, since transference can send them to the future temporally but is not like it happens often, since in the kim chats they ask about the future as if they didn't go yet

[strange plinth]

yea its always described as a possibility that the protos could be brought forward to origin, but never a follow up

[opaque zenith]

*Save for Lyon in LyonRank4Convo2

[strange turtle]

We initially thought they were. In a Rank 5 (6?) convo, Drifter and Arthur go back to that and express doubt about it

[topaz pawn]

that's my bad I'm like halfway done with hex stuff

[green beacon]

Lore guys,
In lore can a prime frame get un-primed, like as in, just turn into a base frame over time

[strange plinth]

there is currently no evidence for it

closest thing is concept art comments regarding sevagoth's deluxe + prime, but nothing actually in lore

[opaque zenith]

There's Lavos for the reverse case, but that was with the use of alchemy. So, possible, but not by "wearing down" the frame

[stray herald]

I asked that exact same question some time ago, the answer I got was: they cant

[ocean geyser]

“IM FIRIN MAH LAZORRRR”

[stray herald]

the only frame that could have been degraded over time would be sevagoth due to void stuff in the tempestarii, but that is up for debate

[strange plinth]

even then, there's so much difference between his prime and his regular that it seems pretty unlikely

[ocean geyser]

Or the void turned him into anvil bird

[stray herald]

since flare become base temple, where would temple prime come in? or will they be the first frame to not have a prime version

fun to think about

[strange plinth]

prolly prime themself/lizzie primes them while on the comet

[opaque zenith]

Or the isfested copying Wally's Revenant troll idea

[green beacon]

That what I was thinking

[ocean geyser]

Or the Unum’s Revenant Troll idea

Which i personally feel is more likely

[strange plinth]

the unum is mentioned in his prime armor description

[ocean geyser]

Yea

[green beacon]

Who is the strongest frame in feat wise, my vote goes for chroma

[dreamy peak]

I have a question. I want to make fan made lore for zepher. But i dont know how to make it exactly. What offical lore should i know about to have a good estimate on how to make it?
I know ballas made most of the warframes. I know all the frames are people transformed by the infestation and some frames seem to be able to, not require an operator to move.

[strange plinth]

obv

[dreamy peak]

You dont have to type out all the lore for me. You can point to just sources and i can read up on them!

[green beacon]

Say, what’s my significant lore?

[ocean geyser]

Been wondering
Is Neci actually safe or did Wally steal her safe word to make her parents think she was okay?

[ocean geyser]

People think you can infest a whole planet with ease

[green beacon]

That is possible just not with ease I’d assume

[strange plinth]

zephyr is one of the earlier frames, so she doesn't have much at all lore-wise

[strange turtle]

You’re gross

[green beacon]

Rude

[strange plinth]

got sent away by ballas and came back primed idk

[ocean geyser]

Does she have a prime trailer?