lore-discussion

[tall echo]

Nokia.

[sly swan]

or was that the drifters fault

[tall echo]

Albrecht made a 1 day loop

[drowsy saddle]

Well, attempt to break 1

Maybe yeet it at wally and see if he cracks

[fast dew]

Albrecht made the first one, which seemingly only encompassed new years eve, and then we changed it to loop the whole year of 1999

[tall echo]

Attempt to break 1, get an improvised wall-mounted phone

[sly swan]

do we know why he made a loop to begin with?

[green yarrow]

Hi lore chat

[fast dew]

To keep wally distracted basically, among many things

[green yarrow]

Could anywarframe touch goku?

[sly swan]

did he use it like an loki apocalypse scenario and hide from wally?

[fast dew]

The main reason for him leaving to 1999 was to keep Wally's attention away from loid and his family

[green yarrow]

Since goku is basically FTL and also gokuversal and I think its hard to really beat a character who is gokuversal

[fast dew]

You know those terms don't mean anything right

[unique aspen]

Gokuversal...

[green yarrow]

They mean everything

[fast dew]

Does the term primeval mean anything?

[green yarrow]

You only say they mean nothing because no warframe is gokuversal

[fast dew]

Lemme pull out my doom lore rq

[green yarrow]

Yeah but they arent gokuversal

[green yarrow]

This is warframe not doom

[fast dew]

No, theyre incomparable.

[green yarrow]

Yes they are comparable

[fast dew]

Yeah, but im using an example with doom.

[midnight ice]

Tagfer: Minn? Oh, Minn..
Loid: Perhaps it is better to have lost, than to have never loved...
The bellow voca in the vents: OOEOEEAAUUAUOOEEOOUAUU

[green yarrow]

Gokuversal vs primeversal

[unique aspen]

hf;sfhk'sfh'kgsdf'kdg';kfdh'sfsh'k

[green yarrow]

Gokuversal slams no diff

[fast dew]

Primeval was from doom, but allow me to explain

[green yarrow]

Ok

[idle fog]

damn I just sent a question here about powerscaling and people are indeed powerscaling

[drowsy saddle]

"What is love?"

Echo: BABY DON'T HURT ME

[sly swan]

why did you start this

[green yarrow]

It was me

[sly swan]

why did both of you start this

[green yarrow]

Because to put it clearly, every frame is fodder compared to goku

[idle fog]

HI3 vs Warframe

[fast dew]

In doom, a primeval can only be killed by a primeval.

No matter what, Goku will not be a primeval, right? He's his own thing, but he is distinctively not one.

[sly swan]

because the warframes and their power system ceiling are incomparable to the goku power system

[green yarrow]

Yeah but hes gokuversal which puts him higher them primeversal which means he slams primeversal pretty much neg diff

[green yarrow]

Because they arent gokuversal

[fast dew]

So unless he can get someone like Davoth to kill himself, there is genuinely nothing he can do

[fast dew]

But that term isnt applicable

[sly swan]

if i read gokuversal one more time i might actually have an aneurysm

[drowsy saddle]

Would nekros's soul punch work

[green yarrow]

He can just transforming Davith supersaiyan god-stinct and no diff him even faster

[fast dew]

If this is based in a universe where the law "only a primeval can kill a primeval" is true, unless this character is one, it will not work

Tldr this is why powerscaling barely works

The fake terms they make up do not apply to everything

[sly swan]

powerscaling shouldnt be done with terms

[green yarrow]

Unless its gokuversal

[fast dew]

Like I could make a oc and go "nuh uh", and it has the same power

[sly swan]

should be done by comparing each individual power attributes and compatibility

[green yarrow]

Yeah but it wouldn't be goluversal

Since he can just go super nuh uh...

[fast dew]

Yeah no shes stronger

[sly swan]

now hes just ragebaiting

[azure jasper]

Pretty sure it was rage bait from the start.

[sly swan]

proabably

[fast dew]

Whatever you say my oc is just gonna be stronger

[green yarrow]

But the ocean isnt gokuversal

[sly swan]

i would like my previous question answered
"did he use it like an loki apocalypse scenario and hide from wally?"

[green yarrow]

Oc

[fast dew]

... do you know what the word oc means

[green yarrow]

Probably

[fast dew]

Kinda? But not hide. He used himself as bait

[sly swan]

did the loop make it more difficult for wally to interfere?

[fast dew]

There was little to no void tech in 1999, so that made it hard for wally to follow

[sly swan]

or was the loop a failsafe to keep the timeline from going haywire

[fast dew]

Yup

[sly swan]

that makes more sense

[fast dew]

Albrecht lived the same day over and over, along with the hex

[green yarrow]

If goku was there they wouldn't even have to worry about a nuke lol

[fast dew]

It wasnt even a nuke btw

Its just called a nuke

[sly swan]

nuclear disaster does not mean nuke

[fast dew]

It was a reactor meltdown

[sly swan]

^

[fast dew]

A lot of the time, people go on to say "why didnt the hex go stop it when the loop started"

Because theres nothing to stop

[sly swan]

do we know why the meltdown starts?

[fast dew]

It was independently done by someone, Albrecht just hijacked the energy made by it

[azure jasper]

Goku is based on Son Wukong. Wukong is also based on Son Wukong. The Wukong frame is closer to Son Wukong than Goku is. Therefore, Wukong beats Goku in being a better adaptation of Son Wukong. Ergo, Wukong beats Goku.

[sly swan]

is the energy used to reset the loop?

[fast dew]

Its another misconception that he planned and triggered the nuke

[sly swan]

I wanna bet it was viktor

[fast dew]

The energy was just used to boot him out of 1999, bevause he couldn't get out the way he came

[strange turtle]

…’87 you say?

Would this toilet happen to be the one at Big Bytes?

[sly swan]

if the loop had happened so many times did he only just choose to leave when the drifter arrived to finally leave?

[strange turtle]

Demolished

[sly swan]

i gotta get better at proofreading

[strange turtle]

Except maybe Wally, he has that universe/timeline stuff going on

[fast dew]

Albrecht chose the one where the drifter arrived in, he saw him in the loop seen in whispers, which he probably had ways to note down

[sly swan]

please explain this more

[fast dew]

I need more random lore about this man

[strange turtle]

But aside from him, everyone else is cooked

[lean garden]

depends, doesnt HI3 shit go wild?

might actually do wally in

[strange turtle]

Yeah I just don’t know how far

[lean garden]

wally doesnt have a D4C type shit going on so if any of the ladies (and occasional men) could do wally in, the smarmy bugger is cooked too

[strange turtle]

I know that Finality Kiana has some similar bs going on, but idr the actual details

Or if anyone else has something like she does and to what degree

[fast dew]

Theres the loops.

We see one in whispers in the walls, where we are arthur. Albrecht tells us, the drifter that we are late. He probably has monitoring equipment regarding the kalymos sequence.

Albrecht would've been able to prepare for the next time drifter comes in, which he seemingly does, preparing the helminth for us to be spat out of, along with him controlling Arthur's hand in the first cutscene in the hex.

However, we the player, accidentally let wally into 1999, so Albrecht kinda needed to get out fast, which relied on us being there, and for him to then leave

Albrecht planned a lot

[pale cedar]

Albrecht died a lot

[fast dew]

He probably did

[lean garden]

wuh?

[fast dew]

In the nuke before the loop

[pale cedar]

Boom for 1000 years

[fast dew]

The loop would probably bring him back

I wonder how that would affect Albrecht's mind

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-wow-stunned-amazing-mad-cat-gif-9245830375664146503

[fast dew]

I wonder if he stopped feeling scared of the reactor meltdown after a while. I wonder if he felt scared at all

[strange turtle]

“Man thank Lua I’m the only one who has to go through this, that’d suck”

Meanwhile, his old buddy Drifter, who has “just” grown up:

[midnight ice]

i think it's sort of like... he expects it, he knows it, there is literally a timer counting down to the seconds where he'll be vaporized and remade by Time's hands some time before all of this, but you just don't get used to the feeling

[fast dew]

Actually yeah, I do feel as if Albrecht would align closer to Lua. Idk if this is from a process of elimination via Loid being very much related to the sun (First sun/son on his religious icon on Lyon's skin) or if he is genuinely just more like the moon

[strange turtle]

He’s like the moon

Pasty as Descendia and (formerly) round

[fast dew]

Yeah this is what I think. Id imagine he would feel that weird, sick anxiety feeling you get before doing anything scary

[fast dew]

He's so real for tht

But seriously, his entire colour palette is reminiscent of Lua and that stuff. Even the gold in a weird way

I've always associated gold with the sun, but for Albrecht it does feel closer to the moon. Like. Idk stars?

Loid is just sol though. Light of Albrecht's life or whatever

[midnight ice]

doesnt help that he's also almost always in a cold lighting

cutscenes and whatever. you ever seen him under proper warm light? it's always some form of coldness or void-light

[fast dew]

We have him in neutral light, in his model showcase?

[midnight ice]

well, model showcase

as far as i could remember each of his appearances in the flesh is almost always associated with a cold color

very Luaesque

[fast dew]

Also like. Even just the comparison between the two
-# these are from their model showcases, I feel as if its very. Different

[midnight ice]

also me rolling up to da club

[midnight ice]

very fly eyeliner, but very cold and much more lifeless. you kinda see the weariness on the brow, the way it's harder-set

[fast dew]

Prevoid Albrecht being skinny is kinda funny to me, bcs post void Albrecht is like

Chunk

Like brother what happened

Depression actually thats probably what happened

[midnight ice]

1999 also probably had better food than Orokin era

[fast dew]

Oh no hes back to skinny in 1999

Thats the funny thing

His portrait made him just a lil chonk

[midnight ice]

OH i misread

[fast dew]

His eyeliner seemed messed up during the interrogation cutscene, and its fixed later on, logically we can now assume that he does his own eyeliner

[sly swan]

im back. i did antivirus bounty

[midnight ice]

congratulations. was it another 100 potency mod or did you actually get an av

[sly swan]

i got worm away

[fast dew]

Rolling up to the klurb
-# this is from the official comic, why is he so stanced up

Right after he stabbed Arthur

[midnight ice]

thinks he's hot shit

[sly swan]

in every cutscene is back is like unnaturally straight

[fast dew]

Lemme show you why this is weird rq

[sly swan]

this isnt very quick

[fast dew]

man i was hurrying

Okay so

Why is he tilted like that

[sly swan]

military style marching?

maybe he grew up in a marching band

[fast dew]

Which doesnt make your back lean that far 😭

[strange turtle]

The sanctum cutscene?

[sly swan]

maybe the orokin thought it was more "perfect"

[fast dew]

Or Albrecht is just weird 💀

[sly swan]

ig

[midnight ice]

that's because he's with his beautiful boyfriend

[fast dew]

Albrecht does weird shit all the time

Apparently his speaking pattern comes from... dax?

[sly swan]

seems similar

they take long pauses

and talk really slow

[fast dew]

Which is even funnier because Albrecht was never a dax, never would even be really near them

[pale cedar]

Well he had Dax bodyguards

[strange turtle]

Albrecht the equivalent of a samurai nerd

[fast dew]

Do we know that?

The whole family wouldve, sure

Do dax even talk around orokin?

[midnight ice]

Isaah?

[strange turtle]

He presumably would as the seeming patriarch of an Orokin House, but at the same time Entrati are weird enough I wouldn’t be surprised if he just dismissed them to normal duties

[strange turtle]

Special circumstances, his father is Ballas’ “friend”

[fast dew]

I fully think Albrecht was like. A hermit who never left his labs

Loid had to drag his ass out for stuff yk

[pale cedar]

He wouldn’t get Executor level protection but he’s still Orokin with an important family to the System

[midnight ice]

do you see how pale he is 😭 the Indifference enroaching was probably the first non-artificial light he's seen

[strange turtle]

Nah, he’s been out in the sun.

An man-made tiny sun, in a garden in the labs while under a parasol, but still

[loud oriole]

sipping his Entrati Breweries™ martini

[fast dew]

The entrati did have gardens

Loid used to play w Son out in them

[fast dew]

Watching as Albrecht gets flashbanged by KIM lightmode

[sly swan]

quick question, does the infestation have a connection to the void? like everywhere the void is prominent the infestation is like right next door

[strange turtle]

Nah

The Infestation is actually scared of it

[sly swan]

just pure chance?

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-funny-cat-cat-funny-cat-flashbang-flashbang-gif-8479999063609699416

[strange turtle]

Pure chance, yeah

[sly swan]

how i feel playing warframe main quests and they transition

[fast dew]

We're connected to the infestation and the void, so they're usually together, but very unwillingly so

[loud oriole]

-# not to mention we have a frame(s) that uses the void more than the others

[midnight ice]

well, there's that orokin derelict that's been lost in the void for a while. the infested is so stagnated it has an unique form (arboreal-like) compared to the rest of the universe

[sly swan]

which derelict is that?

[sly swan]

like is it in a quest?

[midnight ice]

deimos derelict, it's canon they've been washed up after being lost in the void(?)

[sly swan]

the isolation vaults?

or are is that the necralisk

[strange turtle]

No

The normal Deimos nodes

Those are Derelicts

[sly swan]

ah

[strange turtle]

Infested Orokin towers like the Void nodes, used to be their own thing before Deimos got added

[sly swan]

derelicts are just the name for orokin buildings stuck in the void?

or were

[strange turtle]

They just got Infested afterwards though (presumably the mysterious thing that happened to get them out of the Void wrecked whatever countermeasures they had, or maybe there weren’t any and these are just unlucky

[violet trout]

derelict means like abandoned

as a noun it's just an abandoned place

[strange turtle]

The Derelicts were those, those are just called Orokin Towers

[violet trout]

so they're derelict orokin towers meaning they're completely abandoned now (aside from the infested)

[strange turtle]

Or Void Towers

[strange turtle]

They were basically hidey holes for the Orokin that could go in and out of the Void, so that Sentients couldn’t get them

[sly swan]

ok, then which one has that unique form of infested that guy was referring to?

[strange turtle]

All of them

[sly swan]

really?

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[sly swan]

the infested there seem normal?

[strange turtle]

There’s definitely something different about the Infested in the environment itself, like the map and not the enemies, but yeah

[sly swan]

you mean that its more growth than parasytic?

[strange turtle]

I meant it more literally

If you just stop and look around it’s just, different in a bunch of ways. What you said but also the general appearance of it

[sly swan]

does that include the open world area?

[strange turtle]

No that’s seperate

That’s the actual moon Deimos, and we know whats up with it

[violet trout]

Deimos open world was added after(?) I believe and is largely separate from the derelicts

aside from of course being near each other

[strange turtle]

It’s Infested with the Grey Strain, which makes things Big

[sly swan]

is their other strains of the grey strain there?

[violet trout]

it also makes things more tree like instead of goopy

[sly swan]

or is the infestation there just kinda hate each other

[violet trout]

the orokin derelicts near deimos are all filled with roots and branches and stuff

I think that's what @midnight ice meant by arboreal

[strange turtle]

Yeah they’re just like that

[midnight ice]

yeah! theyre mentioned once in game and they're called arboriform* my bad

in the "charge arboriform branch" orokin tower secret

the orokin derelict infested kind of took in their shape and is blue, compared to the star chart's red and fleshier infested

[sly swan]

i need to actually play deimos nodes again. ive only done akkad and the openworld since i came back

[violet trout]

I am a super genius (I know what boreal means because of terraria)

[midnight ice]

sorry for the slow reply i'm having so much fun ripping up thrax into mawfeed

[broken pond]

hey guys! after playing through the main quest only(no side quests) i think i got most of the story. (i had played before when war within was the last content). but i didnt get the old peace. wtf is tau. was that another timeline or multiverse?

[sly swan]

the place that the orokin wanted to go

using the zariman

[broken pond]

ohhh

[strange turtle]

It’s a different Solar System

[fast dew]

Real place, the old peace was our old memories

[broken pond]

i see!

[broken pond]

see thats the thing

cause loid said it happened

[fast dew]

Mhm

[broken pond]

thats where i lost it kinda

[fast dew]

Loid did say it happened, and it happened

[midnight ice]

we just repressed it so hard it wasn't in our radar

[broken pond]

i see

[fast dew]

Partially nuked by Margulis and wally

[sly swan]

i havent reached that point, but i thought it was because the operator didnt get woken up properly

[violet trout]

plus we slept for a while that usually makes me forget stuff too

[broken pond]

but didnt the zariman crash and only THEN we got our void powers?

[sly swan]

it didnt crash

[broken pond]

not crash but stuck in void

[midnight ice]

longest nap ever i know damn well the Operator woke up with these

[fast dew]

The zariman happened already, the sentients just built the rail to tau

[fast dew]

-# Loid too, I wonder if thats how he relates to the operator? Both out of time, yk?

[midnight ice]

whoops crashed my kaithe to a settlement hold on they're asking for my Kaithe's plates and my insurance's number

[broken pond]

oh ok. its kinda hard to undestand chronollogically from a new players perspective

[sly swan]

consider the void being used as a wormhole. we get stuck in wormhole. void kinda do void things. wally does his wally stuff and the tenno children are made!

[fast dew]

Fair enough

Warframe lore is difficult

[violet trout]

I get these on my face when I sleep good :3

[broken pond]

its a bit like fromsoft games

spread out yk

[sly swan]

warframe is easier than those imo

[violet trout]

at least Warframe has a storyline

[midnight ice]

thats what makes it really fun to dig into

[sly swan]

fromsoft you have to get a degree in the game to understand

[broken pond]

agreed

[fast dew]

Its very spread out

[broken pond]

also agreed or watch vydia(vaji? whatever the yt channel is)

[fast dew]

Some folk still dont know that Albrecht n Loid did drugs once and I think thats so sad

[loud oriole]

Zariman got stuck in the void initially, but then popped back where we were the sole survivors, then after being rescued the Zariman got sucked back into the void until 'recently' when it came back again but with the Holdfasts

[fast dew]

Yall need to learn the lore smh

[broken pond]

the whispers in the wall was also a bit dificult to catch on for me

[fast dew]

Yeah? What part did you struggle on?

[broken pond]

so the entratti family started with albrecht right

[sly swan]

what do you mean popped back?

[fast dew]

Bevause that stuff is my bread and butter

[fast dew]

He has a mother, but yes for the sake of simplicity we'll go with Albrecht

[broken pond]

and with 99 we learned that he started the tenno

[fast dew]

What-

No, no he didn't do that

[loud oriole]

did it not go back into the void or were we rescued while it was being drawn in?
slept alot since the initial Zariman stuff

[fast dew]

He made Wally, sure, but wally made the tenno

[broken pond]

oh i thought like all the 99 chars are batches of excalibur/volt etc

[fast dew]

Oh, no. They die

[broken pond]

so it was like the prototypes for what would be the frames

[fast dew]

After the events of 1999, they would die

With a few exceptions

[sly swan]

i thought they went into the void to get us out of the void. im pretty sure the zariman never got actually pulled out until the holdfasts

[broken pond]

i played through the hex but i didnt anything else no spoilers XD

[violet trout]

albrecht went to 1999 to give some random people the Warframe strain

[fast dew]

Nah, this is older lore

The radiation wars

[broken pond]

oh so albrecht is from when originally

[fast dew]

The Orokin empire era

[violet trout]

the orokin empire

[strange turtle]

The Orokin wanted to colonise it because they were turning the Origin System into a bit of a mess, so they sent the Sentients. But they took so long and it got so boring they decided to start another project. The Zariman Project

The final ship in this project was the 10-0 (thats us), it got sent, the Void Jump failed, it got stuck for a bit. Wally made the parents insane, made a deal with us to give us powers, and then at some point we got back.

Alongside this the Sentients reached Tau, built the other side of the Solar Rail, realised “damn this place is kinda nice”, rebel, warframes get made and things are looking up, they rebel too, and then they find out we can pilot them with Void powers

[fast dew]

He is orokin

[broken pond]

ahhhh

[violet trout]

he just refused to do the blue stuff

[broken pond]

i thought he was a human

[violet trout]

because he's a CHAD !

[fast dew]

He did do it in the past tbh

[strange turtle]

Nah he did, he just stopped for 1999

[broken pond]

gotcha

[sly swan]

orokin are/were human

[strange turtle]

Orokin are, they just mod themselves

[fast dew]

He his, the orokin are human

[sly swan]

aliens dont exist

[fast dew]

Dadbod Albrecht upon ye

[violet trout]

the orokin are just upper class people who considered themselves a separate race since they had a superiority complex

[broken pond]

so wait the entratti family on deimos ar orokin as well?or a corrupted version of it?

[strange turtle]

It was the Continuity/Kuva that he refused, after The Void Incident

[violet trout]

balding albrecht with dreads

[proper barn]

All Orokin are human. They are just the ruiling class.

[fast dew]

Albrecht is weird because he didnt have a superiority complex

[broken pond]

ohhh

[loud oriole]

heavily infested orokin yes

[strange turtle]

Yes. They got Infested and lost some memories

[proper barn]

Yes. They are just infected with "the infestation."

[broken pond]

i thoguht the were a different species. how did human turn orokin then, like where did the blue stuff come in

[fast dew]

Loves men, doesn't do kuva, loves his daughter, he is pretty chill. Ignore the warframes

[midnight ice]

to be pedantic: sentients rebel, orokin makes machines, sentients turn machines against orokin, orokin goes oh zamn!, ballas creates the first warframes but they're uncontrollable, then figured out warframes can be controlled by the tenno through void powers and empathy. then we rebel at the night of the naga drums #yay

[strange turtle]

Full body tattoos and

[fast dew]

WARFRAMES. I MEANT WAR CRIMES.

[proper barn]

Nah. They just got long and are blue cuz they wanna be.

[broken pond]

and the eyes?

[proper barn]

Anyone can technically do that.

[sly swan]

consider orokin the roman empire of the warframe world but they were just built better

[broken pond]

and the completely different anatomy lol. look at them fingers

[fast dew]

Albrecht's eyes could be blamed on the void incident, but they just liked it. Genetic modification

[proper barn]

Not really

[broken pond]

https://tenor.com/view/saladfingers-rustyspoons-salad-fingers-gif-5551657

[loud oriole]

orokin were very 'cyber-punk' without the major biotechnological implants

[proper barn]

They lengthen their limbs and dye their skin

[fast dew]

The hand has elongated finger bones

[proper barn]

Cus they wanna.

[broken pond]

ohhh

[proper barn]

But anyone with their tech can.

[sly swan]

they still did implants pretty heavily on others

[broken pond]

yeah fair enough

[strange turtle]

Yeah we don’t actually know whats up with them, but the Orokin liked to make themselves look funky.

So they had skin dye, arm lengthening and 12 goddamn floating prosthetic stomachs

[broken pond]

that makes the lore more interesting for me imo

[proper barn]

@broken pond i have a question. How would orokin look the same after transferring bodies with continuity

[fast dew]

Do we know that? I do assume they modified their servants but has there been confirmed instances?

[sly swan]

the grineer in the orokin era

[proper barn]

If they where a different race of being?

[broken pond]

i just take it in as void stuff ahah

[fast dew]

Actually, Vinny, you'd find this... idk if you'd find it funny but recently someone tried to say Albrecht didnt stop continuity

[violet trout]

technically we can do the orokin skin dye with the kits in operator appearance lmao

[fast dew]

For some reason

[broken pond]

is loid an orokin?

[violet trout]

don't think so but he is albrechts boywife

[fast dew]

Nah, he is an Archimedian assistant. Just in love w an orokin

[strange turtle]

I mean look at how big this guy was, he needed a hover cushion or something

[fast dew]

Ew.

[proper barn]

Nah. Also anyone could do continuity just only the orokin did it cuz of class and such. Also the Grinner Queens are orokin in grinner bodies.

[sly swan]

maybe the blue color for the orokin is supposed to be a link the inbreeding family where their skin turned a blue color

[broken pond]

gotcha

[strange turtle]

We can’t even see it hes just that big

[proper barn]

He did have one

[broken pond]

arent all grineer clones?

[violet trout]

baron harkonnen lookin ahh

[proper barn]

Hilarious.

[broken pond]

so its orokin fused with grineer genes?

[proper barn]

Yes. We'll they aren't clones of someone buy yes they are all clones.

[strange turtle]

We actually have a Totally Not Harkonnen house of nobles in WF

[violet trout]

what a girl can't say boywife in the big 26

[proper barn]

No.they have just continuity into grinner bodies.

[fast dew]

You managed to reduce their relationship to that.

[sly swan]

just imagine continuity as permanent transference

[midnight ice]

yeah

[fast dew]

Also. Thats just really gross ngl

[broken pond]

ahh. so they defected in a way?

[proper barn]

Not really.

[broken pond]

and created their own faction?

[proper barn]

The Orokin empire

[broken pond]

the grineer were already in place in the old peace keeping the order

[violet trout]

I'm simplifying it for the children plus I like the word boywife it suits him well 😤

[midnight ice]

they were cast out

[proper barn]

Was failing at the time. And the grinner

[strange turtle]

Olka Harkonar hails from the Harkonar Production Zone. She is one of the few nobles not satisfied by simply watching her weapons wreak havoc, she needed to join the fray. So Olka Harkonar became an Executioner of Rathuum, vowing to prove the might of Harkonar weapons and armor with every judgement she made.

[broken pond]

ahh

[fast dew]

It. It doesnt.

[proper barn]

Had already rebeled.

[fast dew]

How do you manage to mess it up that bad

[sly swan]

the orokin fell. the grinneer already existed and continued on as their own faction

[fast dew]

Loid isnt. Submissive. Nor is he young.

[violet trout]

malewife then

[fast dew]

Loid is, before cryo, and at a minimum, in his 60s

[strange turtle]

They were originally just labourers, only got military roles too after one killed a Sentient with a shovel

[proper barn]

@broken pond but the whole plot of War within is the elder queen trying to continuity into your body.

[fast dew]

Thats even worse???

Do you know what youre even saying

[sly swan]

is that actually confirmed

[violet trout]

no not really :3c

[proper barn]

Yes

[fast dew]

Youre calling loid a servant basically.

[sly swan]

thats hilarious

[fast dew]

Its not a silly haha ":3" thing.

[loud oriole]

the only thing Loid is that isn't mentioned in the lore is a diva 💅

[violet trout]

idk if I'm allowed to say the c word here so.. c word

[fast dew]

Which is like

[proper barn]

That's mentioned in the lore.

Lmao.

[strange turtle]

Construct

[violet trout]

yes, that one

[fast dew]

Yet again we got hit with feminine = femboy slop again

Good lord cant a masculine gay man exist

[violet trout]

pretty sure that's sentientphobic tho they're people now

[fast dew]

Sentients arent constructs... it was used in reference to necraloid...

Sentients have their own slur

[violet trout]

I figured they could have a few

[proper barn]

@broken pond what happens to us in the war within is. The elder queen starts to take over our mind and body but teshin helps us break free. We are called a "Yuvan." Cuz that's what the orokin called their like choosen continuity person they where gonna go into. Usually kids or as teshin says "the exotic."

[fast dew]

Necraloid is probably just either really weird cephalon or something to do with the term necralized

[broken pond]

right

[violet trout]

I've got more than a few slurs that could be used against me

[sly swan]

this chat always takes the weirdest turns

[fast dew]

... so do I, I do not care

Back to warframe.

[proper barn]

Read what I said next.

[violet trout]

okay!

[loud oriole]

-# it rhymes with Loid Hugger
-# and its not Albrecht

[fast dew]

Hehe. Thats funny

[sly swan]

i honestly thought that was towards tenno

i havent actually played the quest tho

[strange turtle]

Freud Chugger

[violet trout]

naw he says it to aldis

[fast dew]

Nah, tenno are the respected party

Adis... Adidas...

[violet trout]

up until the incident

[fast dew]

Eh, no

[sly swan]

i thought the tenno were kinda shunned after their void powers being seen

[strange turtle]

Nah that was an always thing

[proper barn]

@broken pond because what I say next depends on you understanding the last thing I said

[sly swan]

they were never really, truly accepted

[violet trout]

I would say the orokin didn't much like the tenno after the whole trying to kill them shenanigans

[fast dew]

.. you mean the night of the naga drums?

[proper barn]

"Trying."

[sly swan]

they didnt try. they did

[violet trout]

didn't get all of them unfortunately

[proper barn]

There wasn't any Trying here.

[broken pond]

that part i kinda got on the war within. i think its explained in that way

[violet trout]

99% is not complete success

[strange turtle]

The Orokin thought they were little gremlin freaks. Whatshisnane was chill though

[fast dew]

You know, when talking about an incident, you specify the incident when it could be so many incidents.

[sly swan]

you can count the remaining orokin on two hands

[violet trout]

point is I don't think the orokin like us much

[sly swan]

99.9999999% more like

[fast dew]

I mean the family likes us a lot

[violet trout]

except roathe

oh true I forgot about them

[fast dew]

Roathe tolerates the operator.

[violet trout]

true

[sly swan]

the family dont even remember their names

[fast dew]

He does not like the operator much

[proper barn]

Okay so. Yareli prime as a Person was gonna be Ballas next Yuvan. But she was too sassy so he made her a warframe.

[violet trout]

the operator is like the weird little cousin you don't really wanna hang out with that much

[strange turtle]

Albrecht, Roathe, Gomaitru, Joe, Vilcor, Kermeros, Kaelli, Grandma

[proper barn]

Wellllllll

[fast dew]

I still dont know why the hell its the drifter forgiving Roathe

[violet trout]

joe 😨

[fast dew]

Roathe didnt do shit to drifter

[strange turtle]

If you do the syndicate story they give eachother new names

[violet trout]

I think it's just about him being orokin

[sly swan]

they dont remember their original names

[fast dew]

Thats exactly what its not about

[violet trout]

is it not?

[fast dew]

When Albrecht asked "if the orokin could be forgiven", its him asking if he could be forgiven.

Thats what Roathe is for

[violet trout]

well yeah and I believe he sent roathe to make a point

[fast dew]

And the way to succeed and get the good ending to Roathe's chat is not getting him redeemed for being orokin.

[violet trout]

it's about both of them, it's just easier to forgive someone with whom you don't hold preconceived notions of evil

[fast dew]

He doesnt get redeemed for the crimes of the orokin, he gets redeemed for his own crimes.

Which is pointless, because those crimes do not affect us

They affected the operator.

Which is why I find it weird and kinda bullshit

Because thats a whole thing regarding Marie

[sly swan]

also has the operator been sidelined kinda by the drifter?

story wise

[fast dew]

Absolutely has

Cant get an update w out something for the drifter

Which is dumb imo

[violet trout]

I think people would just rather play as an adult, I know I would

[proper barn]

No?

[topaz pawn]

I wouldn't want a pre-teen being the protagonist of my m-rated sci-fi story if I was writing it

[violet trout]

true

[proper barn]

The old peace is literally operator only.

[violet trout]

I'm glad we're getting content for both

[proper barn]

The old peace is literally operator only

What are we even talking about

[fast dew]

Because the old peace is the hex for the operator, but oh! Oh no! Theres still shit for the drifter!

God dammit.

[proper barn]

So?

[violet trout]

me when I complain about more content

[fast dew]

Its not that.

The triad is rushed and released horribly

Should've stayed for shadowgrapher

[proper barn]

There was Operator only content for 15 years

[pale cedar]

Tbh I wouldn’t call it sidelining

Whispers you could use both which led to 1999 requiring Drifter

Duviri isn’t Operators problem

Old Peace is Operator only

Much more of the game was Operator only for years

[fast dew]

They released the triad for the sake of releasing them for the drifter only, with little regard for how this entire update was SUPPOSED TO BE ABOUT THE OPERATOR

[violet trout]

I'm just glad we're getting storylines for both

[topaz pawn]

personally I just don't like the way the operator is written. I'm glad they're getting the turn being the protagonist again, it's nice to have balance, but drifter just feels like the better character for me

[fast dew]

I aint gonna hate on getting content for it but christ

They cant keep to their mucking word

[violet trout]

since I don't care much for the operator given their whole "chosen child" schtick

[fast dew]

The drifter is also tbat!

[violet trout]

well yeah but they're also older and edgier so it's cooler

[fast dew]

Just an adult and somehow weirdly written

Still unsure on why we didnt kill the known fascist when given the chance

[violet trout]

which one there's a few times we didn't

[fast dew]

And do you see how bad that is

[sly swan]

the best thing about the drifter imo is the "begin again" fist slam they got going for them

[pale cedar]

Rusalka

[fast dew]

Which half the time wasnt even them!

We saw them do it once, maybe twice

[violet trout]

rusalka is a baddie so she can't die it's the Warframe rules

[sly swan]

twice

[pale cedar]

All 3 options made no sense in Hex

[fast dew]

Shes. She's a nazi.

Dont..dont say tht about a nazi

[sly swan]

once at the end of duviri aka drifters escape. 2nd is the drifter using it in the hex cutscene

[unique aspen]

The Triad and the Old Peace do feel p obviously designed to be paired up, but also yea, it's hard to escape the Operator update getting a pretty huge Drifter update. I'm just hoping the Tau update will keep going forward w/ the Sentient plotline.

[violet trout]

just stating the Warframe logic going on

[fast dew]

Whcih

[sly swan]

isnt rusalka possessed by wally?

[fast dew]

Doesn't... make sense

[unique aspen]

And, yea, Drifter's fist slam is cool, but they're very much second fiddle to the Operator, who actually has a place in the history of the world.

[fast dew]

She still ran the scaldra before it!

[violet trout]

roathe did arguably worse he just wasn't wearing the patented Mussolini attire when he did it

[fast dew]

And i still hate him and want him to die!

Good lord.

[violet trout]

ykw fair

[unique aspen]

I kinda wish we explored the idea that Drifter was never Tenno more - like, the Operator probably has to teach them focus schools. They probably didn't know what an Amp is. That's wild.

[fast dew]

DE tries not to make bad people redeemable by making them look pretty challenge (impossible)

[violet trout]

I'm just trying to say that Warframe has an issue with killing off any of its big bads

[sly swan]

if it doesnt. people will be angry. i wont be upset if they tie in drifter/void plotlines but operator should be tier 1 in priority

[fast dew]

We. We deadass murdered ballas

[sly swan]

wrong reply

[fast dew]

What do you mean

[violet trout]

well yeah because he was like THE big bad I just mean like

[fast dew]

We dont kill people because theres always some bs lore shit holding it behind

[violet trout]

for most questlines you don't really kill the bad guy unless its some infested thing

[pale cedar]

We’ve killed 2 Orokin on screen and kidnapped another

[sly swan]

we killed vor, and ballas (i wanna do it again)

vor became corrupted which isnt uncommon

[fast dew]

We regularly attack faction leaders

[violet trout]

I mean we tried to kill vor like 6 times and it didn't work

[strange turtle]

Difference is that he actually wanted to change

You can make him just be evil again because Reb wanted the FF evil guy and knew fans would do but still

[fast dew]

We killed the queen

[pale cedar]

Janus Key should be ripped off him so we can kill him

[strange turtle]

Main issue is that the ones that appear more are the ones that don’t die, while the ones that do don’t get much at all, especially with a bunch being tied to events

[violet trout]

nef anyo is still alive, vay hek is still alive, erra/pazuul is.. somewhere?

[sly swan]

also what is vor's key actually anyway?

[violet trout]

nef anyo and vay hek just get the "they're a goofy bad guy" pass

[sly swan]

is it just some random relic with cool void powers

[pale cedar]

Bringing him back

[unique aspen]

Yea, pretty much - the more prominent a villain is in repeatable content, the more awkward it is to take them out, since that repeatable content becomes weird to repeat afterwards.

[loud oriole]

i wouldn't be surprised if atp if Vor himself is just the Janus key but now 'sentient'

[violet trout]

considering the only thing he says anymore is that long speech about how the janus key is his I wouldn't be so sure about sentient

[pale cedar]

His key just gives him a shield launches a beam opens doors and brings him back

[sly swan]

he always comes back

[sly swan]

someone gets it

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/somehow-palpatine-returned-somehow-palpatine-poe-dameron-poe-gif-20849141

[strange turtle]

Honestly it’s not even that awkward DE just doesn’t want to. Destinys whole gameplay loop was based on it and noone got confused

[loud oriole]

next thing you know DE'll make him purple with how many times hes came back from death

[sly swan]

infested void janus key corrupted vor

[violet trout]

destiny was at its peak when we actually killed anyone but we haven't done that since the witness

[pale cedar]

Apparently DE had to confirm Ballas isn’t coming back like him being dead wasn’t obvious

[fast dew]

Destiny kinda just sucked from the get go, from what ive heard

[violet trout]

destiny 2 for sure, d1 was genuinely a great rpg

[sly swan]

destiny killed itself with the free to try, sell your organs to play monetization

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[violet trout]

and destiny 2 had its moments of glory like forsaken

[topaz pawn]

both games had horrendous launches, almost died, and then came back for 1-4 very very good years and then fell apart again

[pale cedar]

Destiny dying is entertaining

[fast dew]

Oh you want to access new content? Give us like. 30 bucks and leave it

[sly swan]

its actually like 60

[violet trout]

I gave it another shot with renegades but it really is just wannabe forsaken with Star wars paint

[fast dew]

Oh thats even worse

[topaz pawn]

40 for the new dlcs

[fast dew]

What fun.

[violet trout]

it's basically a 100 dollar annual subscription

[strange turtle]

I mean at least it didn’t make you buy a subscription and dlc

[violet trout]

to a mediocre RPG with not that much content

[sly swan]

not to mention the battle passes every season

[violet trout]

battle pass is a thing

[strange turtle]

The main issue was that it got sunset

[fast dew]

Id rather buy a $100 game

[sly swan]

yeah that was a very large nail in the destiny 2 cofffin

[fast dew]

Multiple times.

[strange turtle]

Yeah and you can still get the non-cosmetic stuff from the free one you just have to grind more

[violet trout]

I think they've been doing 2 dlcs per year and 1 battle pass per dlc recently but it's still overpriced

[topaz pawn]

I liked renegades. they were super clear about it being star wars inspired and I like star wars, so it was a win win for me

[strange turtle]

And you could just, not engage with it

[topaz pawn]

but it'll probably be the last destiny expansion I buy

[sly swan]

still. its impossible to play without paying

the only thing missing is ingame ads

[violet trout]

true, the story was genuinely great and the dungeon was fun but it felt like a sendoff to d2 for me

[fast dew]

Kinda like the sims but somehow worse

[topaz pawn]

2 dlcs per year, 2 battle passes per dlc

[violet trout]

isn't it just 1 pass now?

[topaz pawn]

nope

[strange turtle]

It’s not literally mandatory like other ones, FF-14 for example

[sly swan]

its 6 am

[loud oriole]

-# gah i missed the joke opportunity thanks to my works abysmally pathetic wifi

[sly swan]

i go sleep now. gn

[topaz pawn]

it's ((DLC+BP)+("major update"+BP))x2 per year

and the last major update was. one new activity type

[lean garden]

and WQ and TFS

[fast dew]

And I assume you also cant play that content w friends until you buy it?

[midnight ice]

fell the hell off after TFS, it's unbelievable

[loud oriole]

at least D2's expansions haven't become a shopping list like Bethesda's live service RPG

[topaz pawn]

they killed everything that was good about seasons to make 2 middling dlcs per year instead of 1 good DLC per year and 4 usually very good seasons

[midnight ice]

yes, lol. raids, dungeons, the whole damn expansion

so if you don't buy anything, you... literally can't do anything.

kill some enemies occasionally in the region if that's your thing, but nothing else

[strange turtle]

Entire star wars crossover expansion instead of cool, original stuff with the Cabal Empire and Dredgens

[topaz pawn]

ok to be fair, it IS cool original stuff, it's just star wars flavoured

[midnight ice]

oh god do not speak of the SW xover around me. I deeply hated it

[topaz pawn]

Bael is a very destiny concept

[midnight ice]

what EVER happened to original lore-expanding stuff

[fast dew]

Fallout 76? I wasnt aware you needed to buy anything bar the game itself? The atom shop was just cosmetics wasnt it?

[topaz pawn]

Fallout 1st

[loud oriole]

ESO

[topaz pawn]

and ESO yeah

but I want to be clear the Imperium is a destiny original concept it just superficially looks like the empire from star wars

[strange turtle]

I’m sorry I just cannot appreciate this mf while he’s in a Spirit Halloween Darth Reven/Kylo Ren costume

[topaz pawn]

that's fair lmao

he's got very interesting lore though

most of his body has been transmuted into various types of metal, and there's a whole lore tab where he fully just snaps his whole nose off because he has an episode of depersonalisation

[fast dew]

Thats.. just a subscription 😭 it looks to be for private server upkeep + ingame premium currency

[topaz pawn]

and access to infinite storage and half of the battlepasses

[loud oriole]

i completely forgot that the subscription also gave you the bottomless bag 😭

-# by the void, there are 40 purchasable DLCs for ESO

[golden raptor]

is modding reserved for the tenno/dax/orokin only or are there like grineer troops going around like "hey you got a spare [point strike]"

[topaz pawn]

the teacher makes it out to be that mod segments are rare and very valuable, so I doubt a random grineer soldier would have access to it

[pale cedar]

Teacher quest just makes Teshin even more of an idiot

[strange turtle]

Atp just make some of them free or built in 😭

Does Tamriel even have 40 distinct regions big enough for a dedicated expansion?

[loud oriole]

tbf I think some of them are like event/season dlcs

[pure meadow]

How did eso get on here?

[pale cedar]

What?

[sick scarab]

I have no idea why I keep thinking this but

I feel like Nokko and Yareli would be the two biggest supporters of trans people, out of all the Warframes out there

Like if someone were to come up to a Warframe and say "I'm trans"
I feel Nokko and Yareli would be the first to smile and maybe hug them or something

(This is putting aside the fact that Warframes don't really move on their own)

Maybe it's the fact that their animations show them as somewhat excitable
And that they're brother and sister
So they'd likely be the first to kick someone's butt if someone close to them got hurt

But this is just me talking thoughts and not actual lore

I mean to be clear, every Warframe would likely fight if their friend got hurt
But I feel like Nokko and Yareli would be the fastest to throw hands?

[pale cedar]

Nah, Grendel and Gauss exist

[sick scarab]

Pffft, fair

Actually wait
Why Grendel?

[pale cedar]

Grendel and Gauss are best friends and are much more likely to work together

[sick scarab]

I mean, fair
Though I'm not sure--

Okay yeah I see what you mean

[fast dew]

Idk grendel is just bear core and i feel as if to call a bear unsupportive is a crime

[sick scarab]

I never called Grendel unsupportive?

[pale cedar]

Yareli and Nokko just dance together

[sick scarab]

Yeah, because they're goofy like that

But also
Yareli is basically the idol of the Ventkids
And Nokko protects the underground of Fortuna
And the two are brother-sister

They're well-suited to be in a position where they would have a lot more than just each other to care about
Not to mention, it's likely one could call the other for help, and the other would come, no questions asked

[restive river]

Nothing actually says they’re siblings, all we know is Nokko’s theme was Yareli’s little brother

They basically are siblings and it is commonly believed they are for a reason, but nothing actually says it beyond the devs saying it’s part of his theme
Most we have in-game is what we gleam from the anims, which at most they both have childlike whimsy and clearly are close

[sick scarab]

I'm... struggling to understand what difference that would make to the rest of what I was saying, then

[restive river]

It doesn’t
It’s quite literally just semantics

[sick scarab]

Oh fair

Sorry for the assumption

[restive river]

Nah you’re fine

[pale cedar]

Someone tried telling me the Heart wasn’t damaged so I sent them this

[ocean geyser]

Lmfao?

[strange turtle]

Grendel would be neither supportive nor unsupportive. He would be hungry

And eat them

[ocean geyser]

Im convinced Grendel stole all of Karissh’s food

Ah nvm checked leverian

He gave it to the people on Europa

[restive river]

Don’t we literally have to repair and stop it from being damaged further

[pale cedar]

Yes

[restive river]

[restive river]

Cause he’s the goat

[ocean geyser]

To be fair we have gems like “Lotus made a deal with wally to put Lua in the void” and
“Perita isn’t a moon”

At a certain point you can’t be surprised

People just don’t pay attention sometimes

[fast dew]

NO BCS THE INE MF ME N NEMESIS HATE TRIED TO TELL ME IT WASNT A MOON

Bet hes feeling really dumb rn

[ocean geyser]

I think it’d be funny if he still thinks it’s not a moon

[fast dew]

Idk i aint in that server anymore

[ocean geyser]

Is nemesis in there?

[fast dew]

Mhm

[ocean geyser]

Let us enlist the book

[restive river]

PERITA ISNT A MOON?????

[drowsy saddle]

Duh, it ain't made of cheese

[restive river]

Idk why but it’s reminding me of the anarchs that are talking about how the tenno aren’t real and it’s all smoke and drones

[ashen pulsar]

are you sure

[drowsy saddle]

Are you sure?

[drowsy saddle]

Inb4 they're just talking about ash

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-omni-man-are-you-sure-are-you-sure-invincible-gif-3935116808772397515

[strange turtle]

No it is, that’s how Grineer guy has secretly survived all this time, with equipment salvaged from Tauron and cheese harvested from Perira

[pale cedar]

Huh?

[fast dew]

Voh was like.. deadset on not calling tau a moon

[sick scarab]

ngl that convo was REALLY funny to hear

[pale cedar]

Literally is a moon lol

[strange turtle]

ah
Voh

[pale cedar]

Knowing it’s a moon isn’t hard lol

[drowsy saddle]

But what if it was a big pizza pie

Wait that's amore

[pale cedar]

What if it’s cheese like our moon

[drowsy saddle]

Brie

[pale cedar]

Actually

What if it’s made of hard to eat candy

[lethal night]

I think it would be really cool if the devs added earth as a planet to the game

Or maybe mars or venus

[pale cedar]

I hope when we get modern day Tau we don’t get a whole system straight away

Having everything straight away ruins chance to expand

Plus I’d rather DE not ruin it by rushing a whole System straight away

[quick wadi]

I really doubt they would. Especially nowadays when each planet (mostly) has a pretty unique tile set.

That would be a ton of work to do all at once

[pale cedar]

Even Origin System didn’t work like that tbh

They made new places as it went along

[ocean geyser]

Most of the planets were there by default iirc-
But yeah they added things as they went along

[quick wadi]

Besides unless they have like, a quest in each one. It would be pretty boring to make a whole new star chart just to have it

Nobody's dying to fill out a whole new star chart for the fun of it

[dark compass]

I feel like just making it a compressed node list that looks similar to Old Peace missions would be ideal

[ocean geyser]

Its def gonna be smaller than the original system for sure though

[pale cedar]

I asked about it

[ocean geyser]

The dossier, right?
I feel like that sorta made sense for Perita at least

If they make the start chart, it should be the star chart, but dossier themed

Like holographic planets or sum

[dark compass]

They already have the perfect blueprint in POM "star chart" of 1999

[ocean geyser]

True

[quick wadi]

Plus that would mean like, each planet would need a somewhat distinct tileset. It's own boss. Unique materials.

Hell of a lot of work unless they really skimp on things

[dark compass]

Yeah, it's just not very efficient

[pale cedar]

I feel we might get 2 or 3 planets at best

Rest later

[quick wadi]

I would be fine if was just a holvania style that was a bit bigger

[pale cedar]

People expecting a whole System straight away usually the people who haven’t played from start of release including me but I’m not expecting it

Development is easier if you expand over time

[waxen mesa]

what assassinations canonically happen?

because like we can kill tyl regor but then he shows up again for missions that come out after his assassination

[quick wadi]

Honestly I question how much people really want more star chart.

Like I don't think think they're lying but like...I haven't ever heard anyone be like boy I sure love doing all those star chart missions

[waxen mesa]

i doubt tau will be a true starchart 2

but i do want a break from syndicate based updates

[restive river]

Same :O

[restive river]

So do the devs!

[unique aspen]

Yeaaaa, most of star chart is like 3 factions stretched out for twice or thrice as many planets by gradually nudging up enemy levels. We'll probably get one outpost we stage our actions out of for the time being.

[dark compass]

I'm pretty sure in some assassinations characters are straight up seen escaping

Like Alad and Vay Hek

Some of the other assassinations are just creatures or robots or nameless goons

Named Grineer are a point of contention though

[quick wadi]

Nah nah it's uh, eternalism. Or something

[silk atlas]

Just assume none of them actually die if they're important. The assassination happens but you don't kill them.

[dark compass]

And even if Alad V blows up to chunks

You should consider that he survived

[quick wadi]

Alads a hearty guy

[dark compass]

Mf is immortal

He stole all the plot armor from everyone else

[quick wadi]

He ate his Wheaties

[pale cedar]

He ain’t got ours yet though

[ashen pulsar]

we have magical void immortality

that's different

[waxen mesa]

I swear Tyl Regor flops over like a fish

[peak vigil]

He hasn’t eaten ours as it’s spicy

[waxen mesa]

the question is more which DO happen. Vor assassination happens because that's part of his story

[ebon prism]

what exactly are the murmur?

[waxen mesa]

The Indifference attempting to grow a body

[silk atlas]

That's pretty much it

Most others just screw off before they die or are used elsewhere

[ebon prism]

is the indifference wally? why are they in sanctum anatomica

[waxen mesa]

sanctum anatomica is ground zero

it was heavily connected to the void via experiments

[ebon prism]

oh ic that makes sense

[waxen mesa]

you can see numerous void windows dotted about

[ebon prism]

albrecht was a weirdo after all

[waxen mesa]

so yeah, Wally's influence is just very strong in the labs.

As I understand it the murmur are hardly intelligent

they are just kind of...banging rocks together trying to assemble a body

[ebon prism]

except the thing that copies you

the book

[waxen mesa]

the book doesn't make a body. as Tagfer puts it the book is its true body

[ebon prism]

is it a murmur tho?

[waxen mesa]

Wally can also make bodies from nothing, but they aren't real.

the murmur are very much real

the more fragmented they are, the more mindless they are.

[ebon prism]

ah ic

[waxen mesa]

that's why the assassination target is an assassination target. Murmur concentration is too high and the risk of the murmur getting too smart grows

[ebon prism]

That makes sense, but the murmur try to execute wallys will right?

[waxen mesa]

as much as they can

during the old peace the murmur are focused on attacking us and stopping us from learning about the past

the dialogue makes it clear that this isn't just a normal attack. It's the murmur throwing everything they have at us

but those single murmur enemies you kill are probably barely capable of simple thought.

pure instinct

should be noted the murmur exist because of Ballas

when he opened the void portal to get to tau he drastically increased The Indifference's influence

they may have existed before, but the force we fight now is his fault

[pale cedar]

No, they existed before Ballas the constant portals just made Murmur more active

[waxen mesa]

i clarified what i meant when you sent that

[pale cedar]

lol

Murmur mostly just trolled Albrecht 1000 years ago

[waxen mesa]

stop the presses i just learned an important lore bit

Fibbonacci cheats at Komi, according to Loid

that makes 2/3 (or 3/4 if you count Loid) Cavia members who can canonically play Komi

side note. do we have a translation for this

[pale cedar]

The operating system could not complete

the requested action.

Try again later.

[waxen mesa]

I may not be caught upw ith EndyD20's videos but if he hasn't given up self translating I'd love to see him try to figure out 1999 language

[restive river]

Isn’t it cause the fragmented are trying to tether a strand :?

The fragmented being rulebreakers

[waxen mesa]

TBH I avoid the mission. but I swear i recall information on the reason being behind the risk of it getting too big

[pale cedar]

There’s this new loretuber that’s popped up a lot recently with many terrible vids such as

Orokin dying was a bad thing

Corpus need to win

Infestation has been forgotten

The forgotten hero of Warframe

Was Ballas right?

[waxen mesa]

The rare orokin glazer

TBH though if you HAD to pick one faction to win

Corpus are probably the best

but only because the other two would just kill everyone

[pale cedar]

Corpus Board aren’t good enough tbh

They’d be terrible at managing the whole System

They have good designers of things but that’s about it

[peak ether]

there are two things i will glaze the orokin on, their mastery over biology / advancement in tech and their aesthetic taste (not the blue skin)

[dark compass]

Completely ai generated profile as well

[peak ether]

say what you will about the orokin but you cant disagree that they cooked with their aesthetics

[waxen mesa]

also if you think about it the orokin dying was actually kinda bad

yes the executors were bad but like

I wouldn't call Orokin society Grimdark. I would call the current setting grimdark

argueably life is a lot worse then it was during the orokin empire

you get three options

1. permanent tenno protection. If it's ever lifted your whole town will die

2. life under corpus. wage slave for life

3. flying under the radar of all the factions. your luck will run out soon enough

[pale cedar]

Orokin had slavery too

[waxen mesa]

beyond the grineer?

[peak ether]

werent the ostrons originally slaves / servants?

if the tale from grandmother is true

[waxen mesa]

also im not saying Orokin rule was a golden age

more like "things suck" vs "things really suck"

[silk atlas]

They had mining facilities and all that jazz. Remember the colony that literally wanted to die in Atlas's story.

[waxen mesa]

no i do not remember

I have to wonder how Roathe would do if his plan worked out fully.

[peak ether]

also idk about the orokin society being better than it is currently because remember they were at the brink of exhausting the entire solar system

[waxen mesa]

probably not great given he was on the better end of Orokin but was ultimately still Orokin

[peak ether]

meaning the ones that felt that the most would be anyone that wasnt orokin

[storm garden]

Enough excess to make Slaanesh blush. 😁

[waxen mesa]

My mind for 'better' ultimately just boils down to the fact you didn't have to worry a grineer ship would come and massacre your entire family

[pale cedar]

We can’t really say Orokin life was actually better because much of Orokin society is erased for good reason

[peak ether]

Didnt he want a democracy where he would be the first leader, set up a standard and eventually have people voted in?

[waxen mesa]

yes but he also admits to being uncertain if he'd give up power once he had it

[peak ether]

true

im still on trusted with him i dont think im close to going through all his chats, does he ever go into detail on why nitohk was worse than ballas?

[waxen mesa]

i suppose but like I said I'm not saying life under the Orokin was sunshine and rainbows. It was probably bad, i just say that things are a bit more dangerous now

[peak ether]

i might've forgoten as well but i dont recall him acc giving a reason just that she was

[quick wadi]

It's also just kinda hard to properly powerscale the level of human suffering among the commoners in all scenarios

[waxen mesa]

She was a complete sadist

[quick wadi]

Specially when we only see little bits and pieces of it

[waxen mesa]

she wanted to destroy the orokin empire because she thought it'd be fun

and she's called the queen of blood for a reason

[quick wadi]

Iron fist tyrannical order vs chaotic danger

Honestly it's hard to directly compare them

I'm sure you could get people leaning one way and the other

[storm garden]

So so far we have Ballas, Nihil and Nitokh given background out of the seven executors
Or are there more?

[waxen mesa]

Ultimately I think I would not call the collapse good

but the executors needed a killin

[peak ether]

Karish and Tuvul have leverian lores

[storm garden]

So that's 5/7

[quick wadi]

Definitely not good in that it didn't bring any real peace, even if in the overall grand scheme of things it took a lot of bad people out of the picture

[peak ether]

Tuvul was the overseer for the Yuvan ceremony, karish caused a colony city to be on the brink of starvation

[quick wadi]

I wouldn't even really call it short sighted like they didn't think it through. I don't think the tenno did it for any more reason than "these people need to die" and not care what came after

[peak ether]

i wonder what broke the figurative camel's back

[quick wadi]

They took away casual fridays

The bastards

[pale cedar]

Ballas planned it anyway

[waxen mesa]

They were essentially tricked into doing it

[dry oracle]

Ballas keeps getting away with it

[peak ether]

https://tenor.com/btifQ.gif

[storm garden]

I think Ballas beat Nitokh to the punch, considering he was alive in present day.
The events of Old Peace might've been the final catalyst

[quick wadi]

Ballas keeps coming back into the plot despite being dead as much as jigsaw does in every subsequent saw sequel

[pale cedar]

Ballas just did what Nitohk failed at

[peak ether]

cant be, old peace margulis is still alive, ballas only set stuff in motion when she dies

[storm garden]

Oh, right.
One of these days I need to replay all the quests and get a refresher on the overall story.

[storm garden]

Do you think Margulis took the blame over the disaster at Tau and that's why she was executed?

"I won't let them accuse you of treason"

[fast dew]

The tenno were blamed, and she was probably blamed by extension

[peak ether]

i cant remember what her official reason was on her execution

but possibly

i hate ballas but reading what roathe says about his love for margulis man really humanises him

[quick wadi]

I appreciate that they're making a villian who you actually need to think about a little bit

Well, made

[sleek berry]

I'm convinced that Memory has power over reality in Warframe, that is why Margulis attempted to suppress certain memories from the Tenno

[storm garden]

I don't remember if there was a given reason in any of the quests, just that the vote was unanimous.
The Seven voted for her execution

[peak ether]

just looked it up, it was for saving the tenno and refusing to have them killed

so it could be because of what happened in old peace

[storm garden]

So the Executors probably wanted the Tenno "disposed of" after Tau, and Margulis took their side.

[peak ether]

weird disposing of an extremely powerful weapon in the middle of a war

[storm garden]

Ballas always was against using them, despite their combat effectiveness.
"But these aren't Dax soldiers. They are monsters possessed by devil minds"

[quick wadi]

They seemed the type to make unwise fickle choices

[peak ether]

on a side note, i wonder if the stalker was still human during the old peace

[pale cedar]

Warframes are human lol

[quick wadi]

I assume they mean pre infestation

[storm garden]

Now that I think about it further... Ballas' reason for hating the Tenno might've been something as simple as jealousy.
They were occupying Margulis's attention after all

[sleek berry]

I was gonna say, the big wigs of the Orokin (the Executors) only ever looked after their own interests, and while we've grown sour with the choices of Ballas; and rightly so, the other Executors are by no means better people than Ballas.

Can't wait to see if the other Executors get introduced into the plot.

[quick wadi]

I mean roathe says this almost verbatim

[silk atlas]

All we'd know is he was turned some time before the Naga Drums happened.

[peak ether]

yk what i mean, if he was still sorren or was he stalker by Old peace

[quick wadi]

Ballas hated there was something margulis cared about as much or more the him

[pale cedar]

Ballas cares about caring about him

[quick wadi]

You know, I've learned a lot about this ballas guy and I gotta say

https://tenor.com/view/norm-macdonald-real-jerk-jerk-this-guy-was-a-real-jerk-funny-gif-13923887325556469634

[pale cedar]

Do you hate him yet?

[fast dew]

Yeah, and people still defend him

No clearly he did nothing wrong! Ignore that he tortured and tormented a pregnant woman for god knows how long

[pale cedar]

A low 1000+ years

[storm garden]

Ballas also hated the Narmer I think.
Because it was mind control, and not true adoration that comes from someone with free will

[fast dew]

Yeup. Couldn't even do the shit he wanted to do

Pathetic piece of shit

[quick wadi]

I wouldn't say hate so much as he realized it didn't bring him any satisfaction so he came to resent it

Which I guess is semantics

[peak ether]

if anything, i kinda respect the fact that we was willing to destroy everything he knew because his one love died

[fast dew]

One love is a bit debatable

[quick wadi]

Which he was also mildly responsible for

Which I realize is supposed to be part of his contradiction

[fast dew]

He is responsible but it was a tricky area for him to navigate, i won't lie

[peak ether]

the way roathe puts it, Ballas truly loved her, obviously unhealthily so

[pale cedar]

He loved her loving him

[quick wadi]

I don't think this ballas guy handled his emotions very well

[fast dew]

No, its a classic narcissistic abuser

[peak ether]

understatement lol

[fast dew]

No as in yes

You know? 😭

[storm garden]

Love quickly turns to virulent poison if one's love is taken away.
Learned that from Naruto.

[fast dew]

Thats certainly a media to teach you that

[peak ether]

i could've sworn roathe says it was love at first sight for ballas

or at least as soon as he saw margulis no one else mattered

[fast dew]

He does, but this is roathe we're talking about

I dont think he can properly separate the differences between abuse and love (i feel as if thats evident with his feelings towards Albrecht and Loid's relationship)

[quick wadi]

Roathe certainly sees things with his own skew but I don't see why he would make that up

Perhaps at least on the surface it certainly appeared that way to others

[fast dew]

Its not making it up, its probably him being unable to separate the good from the bad, yk?

[peak ether]

thinking about it, based on how self absored the few orokin we know are, being a therapist must've been a really bad job with practically 0 patients

[quick wadi]

Oh there's no way in hell they had those

[fast dew]

Narcissistic abuse is very much like that tbh. Appears fine on the top

[fast dew]

I mean they had lorists. If.. those are therapists

Can healers be healers of the mind?

[quick wadi]

Prehaps

This is completely unrelated but if they ever make more kahl missions I really want it to have the context of like

Survival mission chatter talks about doing your thing as a lone operative infiltrates somewhere to do something

It would be cool if it was kahl doing something while a survival mission was supposed to be going on

Hell even if they just had a new survival mode with kahl on the comms between rounds, that would work too

[peak ether]

unfortunately, unless there's a specific reason they dont really expand content on stuff outside the "main game"

[quick wadi]

I'm aware, but it would still be cool

Archons are tau related, I would say there's a non-zero chance they could come up with something near the release of tau with them which would require veil breaker be done and bring him into the mix

A rock solid non-zero chance

[peak ether]

now that they've moved the archon shards, ive got no real reason to do kahl missions, which is good and bad because it has always felt slow and klunky but it was a nice to just play through them once a week

[quick wadi]

I just enjoy kahl as a character, kinda like how I liked what's his name in old peace

[storm garden]

Adis

Or Valdor?

[narrow pendant]

Valdur

[tall echo]

Dur

[storm garden]

I can't look at Amar hunt the same now, after Old Peace... 😔

Lotus doesn't help either "Amar thought himself a hunter, now he is mere trophy"

[normal mountain]

Archon Hunt Survival has Lotis talk about a Grineer operative with his Entrati guide, iirc
Not the exact words, but he is given an indirect mention

[south charm]

what are ashs lore waepons ? or the one that hes presented with

[proper barn]

Vectis Prime and carrier prime came with His prime.

[ocean geyser]

We get transmissions like this during Archon hunts iirc

Kahl only fights Narmer so yk

[restive river]

Dual Kamas are in his leverian

If you want Ash lore, go to his leverian

[tawdry crag]

So is the demimos family descendants of humans from 1999? I was playing and daughter was listening to a on Lyn song from 1999 when you talk to her

[proper barn]

No. it's cuz they are albretch's family.

they are the "entratti family"

[tawdry crag]

Okay

[proper barn]

also

if your next question is

"is grandma albretches wife"

no. she's fathers mom.

[tawdry crag]

Okay. I knew that one already it been awhile since I done there stuff so I re remembering the lore because I liked it

[proper barn]

yee.

any other questions?

[tall echo]

Also the deluxe bow

[tawdry crag]

Do you know how she got that music from the past?

[tall echo]

No explanation is given

[tawdry crag]

Dam

[restive river]

Probably cause she’s infested
On-Lyne has the infested clones that can follow us to the present so there’s a possible connection though the infestation itself

[tall echo]

It's playing through her airpods tho

[chrome frost]

ok, genuine question, for transference to work do we need just any sort of biological tissue to use as a conduit? Im asking because i started thinking about how necramechs work and one thing lead to another and now im debating the possibility of making a kavat/kubrow shaped mini necramech

by 'tissue' i mean flesh, bone, decayed remains etc

[topaz pawn]

you'd need a transference bolt

[chrome frost]

oh... wait those arent necessary for the tenno, no?

[topaz pawn]

actually no I'm pretty sure awoken tenno don't need them yeah

[chrome frost]

ok so just need a skeleton essentially

[restive river]

And?

[restive river]

That’s somatics

[restive river]

Transference likely works on anything with a mind

[chrome frost]

but the necramech corn is just a carcass in gold, no?

+the big dudes in the sanctum, unless ofcourse they are all still alive and still conscious

[restive river]

I don’t recall the exacts but I’m not sure if we’re doing transference on them in the same way as other things

[restive river]

Those are basically giant warframes

[chrome frost]

fair

still theoretically would it be possible to create a necramech-kavat/kubrow?

[restive river]

Those are in the labs

[chrome frost]

a necravat? A nekubrow

[restive river]

Necramechs are basically simple robots from what I got, lowtech to combat the sentients

[chrome frost]

those are different since i dont recall necramites having similar structure to necramechs

[restive river]

Likely very simple robots, hence why they’re taken over so easily

[restive river]

I’m talking about the quadruped necramechs

Not the necramites

[chrome frost]

yeah i know