lore-discussion

[fast dew]

how different was his position in the empire's to yonta's/j

Tbf she also had one

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t even show up as an option anymore

[restive river]

he’s an Orokin

She’s just a scientist

[fast dew]

an orokin with an Archimedian assistant
-# also this is a joke dont take it too seriously

Keyword archimedian 💔

I will always find it interesting, that

[restive river]

Loid deserves archimedian status

[fading mist]

orokin is a little hard to define tbh
does it only mean the higher ups, or the civilians included

[pale cedar]

Archives has probably lost enough boosts

[fast dew]

Albrecht might just be an Archimedian, or he might just be genuinely so low on the ladder that he's practically an Archimedian

[restive river]

I don’t believe we have but I’m looking into it with the team

[fast dew]

It hasnt gone down a level? It shouldn't have

[restive river]

Orokin is the higher up tyrant egotists that think blue skin and long arms are fashionable

[strange plinth]

only the higher ups
was a caste/class of people
a citizen of the empire vs the elites in charge

[fast dew]

In Albrecht's defence, he didn't choose the long arm

Weird ass man

[fading mist]

more reach, easier to slap people, I guess

[fast dew]

I wanna put him in a jar and shake him aggressively

[fading mist]

give him the nihil treatment

[restive river]

Likely for practicality

[fast dew]

Maybe just observe him and let him do drugs, as a treat

[restive river]

Same reason Roathe likely doesn’t have it either

Aside from the dev reason of the bones

[fading mist]

welll, roathe is just a strategist, he's really not out there for show

[cerulean ferry]

And consort

[fast dew]

I am reluctant to say military folk didnt have one, Father has one and he was a railjack pilot, which probably has him at least attacking folk when they board

[fading mist]

can't count the entrati family, they're infested

[fast dew]

They still have long arms

[fading mist]

the infested could've made their hands long

[fast dew]

That. Thats not something the infestation does lol

[fading mist]

you never know

they don't even care about time

[fast dew]

Not when its consistent and abnormal to the patterns of the grey strain

[fading mist]

lephantis also got long arms

[restive river]

That’s what I mean tho
Practicality lmao

[strange plinth]

the grey strain makes things big, that's why they're like that, but it doesn't do so to one arm especially

[fast dew]

They care about time, they just cant do stuff ontime without loid

[fading mist]

we still never got an answer for the second dream clutch

[fast dew]

For our warframes moving?

[strange plinth]

the frame breaking War?
most likely the frame waking up for a second

[restive river]

Yeah they like
Are still people lmao

[fast dew]

Thats kinda normal, in a weird way

[fading mist]

but those are not the first gen warframes

[fast dew]

They dont need to be

[restive river]

Yeah they
Don’t need to be what

[fast dew]

They still have the brain and memories of the original person. Somewhat

[restive river]

First gen were fully sapient but second gen lacked the sapience as it was subdued, they’re still a person in there

[pale cedar]

Warframes are sentient

[fading mist]

again, the ones we play now other than umbra are not the first and second gen warframes

[restive river]

Idle anims being the biggest example

[fast dew]

Warframes, when motivated by something, gain very slight clarity, enough to move. This is just stronger in umbra

[restive river]

Umbra is second gen

And we are using the second gen frames like
Constantly

[fading mist]

excluding umbra, you can't even get umbra before second dream

[restive river]

We have blueprints from both first and second gen frames, the only frame that has the sapience passive is Umbra though

[fast dew]

He's not particularly special outside of the modified excal prime strain and the transference bolt installed to keep him lucid

[restive river]

All gen one frames we rebuild are def mentally subdued

Jade for example
Or Kullervo
Heck, Dante

[fading mist]

I don't think we have gen 1 warframes other than lore

we rebuilt dante, the og one is gone into the void, just a 3d print

[restive river]

I just named three we’ve remade

[fast dew]

We see jade, Kullervo is out there, albeit i am unsure if thats actually kullevero

[restive river]

And Jade is dead and Kullervo is in jail.

[fading mist]

the ones we use are all just 3d prints

[strange plinth]

curious

[barren jasper]

wouldn't it make the most sense that it was just our true potential for a second

[fast dew]

There is 7 of him, right? Is... is there 7 if him....?

[fading mist]

7 crimes, not 7 of him 😭

[restive river]

When we remake Umbra he has sapience and his memories

[cerulean ferry]

Sevagoth is also dead

[strange plinth]

and the foundry uses helminth to make them, so there's still a mind in there

[restive river]

There’s multiple of him in Duviri

[fast dew]

Isnt there one in each cage??

[restive river]

Even if it didnt
Like
Umbra:

[fading mist]

I guess duviri just manifested all 7 crimes into individual kullerwhos

[restive river]

All but one

[strange plinth]

no evidence that sev was a first gen afaik

[restive river]

Yes that is what happened

[fast dew]

Kullerwhos......

[restive river]

Sapience of the shadow I guess????

[fast dew]

The shadow is sentient anyways/j

[fading mist]

kullerwho

[cerulean ferry]

I just know sevagoth is another frame that died as we put them to rest through their quest

[fast dew]

Mf moves on its own i swear
-# schizo Thomas posting, so lyon core

[strange plinth]

maybe? idk sevagoth's whole situation is a little weird in that regard

[restive river]

We just don’t know if he was gen 1 or not

[fast dew]

My baby tenno is getting confused over lore and its so funny

[fading mist]

Im geussing gen2

[restive river]

Sevagoth himself was lost to the void
The Shadow was left and tried to search for him
So either

Sevagoth was gen 1
The Shadow is or can be sapient
Or a Tenno got stuck and hyper-fixated on getting back to Sev (I doubt this one the most)

[pale cedar]

You only signed up for Loidbrecht lore and it’s so funny

[fast dew]

Made a joke about Hunhow and his wife being t4t and theyre so confused. Am I doing the right thing chat?

[fast dew]

IM HERE FOR. UHM. THE FAMILY

[restive river]

How far are they

[fast dew]

Did heart of deimos last i checked, theyre at art college so they gotta wait another 2 months to progress

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/theres-always-room-for-family-family-first-family-is-important-theres-always-time-for-family-household-gif-16055741

[fast dew]

I really wanted to get into the sentients

[pale cedar]

You what?

[fast dew]

This is the first fixation I had that didnt primarily revolve around a robot of sorts. In like. Years

[fast dew]

Get interested into their lore, you goober

[fast dew]

For the last like. 10 years its been doom, daft punk and transformers, its been hell

[cerulean ferry]

Still waiting on more transformers stuff

[fast dew]

Each of these fixations have actually been negative to my mental health from getting into it too hard

[hollow trench]

Isn’t a remnant of the mind? You have fragments of personality left over more or less?

[strange turtle]

Ok Don Toretto

[strange turtle]

Weren’t they starting a new comic run?

[fast dew]

Sky... sky bound..?

Its something bound

All I know is that megatron is a cannibal I think

[cerulean ferry]

Haven’t really seen the comic space for transformers much, so don’t know, been mainly waiting on games or movies/tv shows since there’s been very good ones in the past (though they did devolve later on)

[fast dew]

Idk transformers one was actually wonderful

Just so poorly marketed

[cerulean ferry]

That’s a one off, poorly marketed but still really good

[fast dew]

Bayverse was kinda bad imo

The aligned continuity is where my fixation landed

Still been meaning on getting my hands on the books for it

[cerulean ferry]

I’m mainly talking about things like og RID/armada/energon/cybertron for being worse later on and bayverse is another example of it tbh

Even the cybertron games went from good, to great, to the worst game that could’ve happened

[fast dew]

Nevermind. Nevermind holy christ.

[restive river]

What?
No the replicated Umbra is the same as the original

Like in terms of the mind

[hollow trench]

Umbra had his mind imprinted didn’t he?

Unlike base mag or excal or ember

[restive river]

Umbra blew up
We scanned the fragments
Rebuilt him from that

Umbra retains his sapience due to what Ballas did to him, he forced him to constantly relive the worst moment of his life on repeat

[hollow trench]

Like they just stand still when u exit

Umbra is the exception and I’m sad we haven’t really had more autonomous warframes or ways to make them autonomous

[restive river]

We see this with Kullervo, Stalker, even Jade
Big emotions = retain sapience

[hollow trench]

Like fight on they own

[restive river]

We remade Umbra and he retained sapience
We remake Jade and she does not

[hollow trench]

Ik what u mean

[restive river]

We do quite possibly see them do that to some extent, the second dream
The frame rips War out of themsevles

[fast dew]

Second stream....

[restive river]

Gameplay wise the sapience passive was considered for all frames but was removed cause it’s not really popular

[hollow trench]

It seems like primal almost tho? Not to the degree of umbra

[restive river]

I love autocorrect!!1!!

[cerulean ferry]

Not exactly sure how umbra’s mind is still around after rebuilding, could be something to do with merging with the infested strain

[hollow trench]

I’d enjoy it 😔

[restive river]

Yeah I’d say it’s more instinctual

[strange plinth]

would prolly be more popular if it didn't cancel every buff on the frame
still not sure why it does that

[restive river]

Or if the AI was useful

[hollow trench]

Void
Plus killing ur son and trying to find ways to stop it while reliving the memory over and over

That’ll do it

[restive river]

It’s a very cool thing but I can get why they scrapped the somatic fibers being used for that

[hollow trench]

Makes u wonder what’s the level of instinctual it stops at

[restive river]

No the
Void doesn’t have anything to do with this, at least nothing is specified

[strange plinth]

helminth keeps memories + the transference bolt replaying the memory over and over is reconstructed as well

[restive river]

Fabricator is really good

[cerulean ferry]

Frames are usually kind of primal, they’re just calmed by Tenno and that’s why they don’t rip everything in sight to shreds

[hollow trench]

The void does react wildly with emotions that’s why I make the guess

[cerulean ferry]

Ah ye if the bolt was still playing that’d be what explains it

[restive river]

I do theorize that the reason frames can retain sapience via high emotional states, such as Stalker’s hatred, Jade’s love, Umbra’s trauma is due to the void reacting (as they are void powered)

[restive river]

Yeah but that doesn’t really relate to Umbra’s memories carrying over

That’s literally just the fabricator and helminth

[hollow trench]

Why doesn’t my ember go ham when I exit, like let her go crazy

[hollow trench]

True true

[restive river]

Umbra is by technicality part of the hivemind, all frames are
When you replicate them they still have some semblance of their identity if not their memories outright

[hollow trench]

Let mag be the unhinged mri she is

[fast dew]

Shes therapised, shes mentally quiet

[restive river]

Heck the Orokin somehow replicated Wally’s finger, no matter what you think he is that is insanely impressive

[hollow trench]

😔

[fast dew]

Mag being called an MRI is so funny

[cerulean ferry]

Patience and you don’t leave the frame for long, they still help you if the operator/drifter get injured but just don’t actively fight enemies for you

[hollow trench]

I wonder what they be thinking lmao like this mf be getting into all sorts of messes

[hollow trench]

I mean it ain’t far from the truth

[cerulean ferry]

Mission objective: protecc the child

[hollow trench]

Valid

Mag is the angry mri

Volt is just a walking arc flash

[cerulean ferry]

But yeah leave a frame for long enough and they will definitely go feral

Some even eat people (besides Grendel he already kinda eats people)

[fast dew]

That was one time and a rhino with a mouth

[cerulean ferry]

One recorded time

[restive river]

The Grineer eat people too

[hollow trench]

Rhino wanted a number 9

[hollow trench]

Oh no

[fast dew]

They eat themselves!

[hollow trench]

Oh

[restive river]

Dw they do it in a weirdly respectful way

Iirc it’s to not waste resources and to honor those who have fallen?

[fast dew]

Hannibal lecter style

[restive river]

You

[hollow trench]

Pass the thigh!

[restive river]

👁️

[fast dew]

You cannot tell me the show rendition didnt have him doing some interesting shit with the body parts he didn't eat

[north jolt]

Basically the Umbra body/warframe we crafted inherited the memories the OG Umbra had before dying

[viscid spoke]

Why we

Saved executor ballas

In tau

So the one in new war was just a clone it said his place not there not with her

And the tau one said remember this..

[strange plinth]

a. didn't know it was him
b. we have no reason not to at that time, we're still a mostly loyal orokin subject

[viscid spoke]

Also will we get to revenge on albrecht entrati for shooting us ? I made a lex prime just for that

[strange plinth]

what

[viscid spoke]

If you watched lore and quest that what he said when he faught lotus on pergasa ship in sun

My place not here not with you but in tau

[strange plinth]

yea he's attempting to go to tau then

[viscid spoke]

And he was already in tau

In old peace

[strange plinth]

yea, during the old peace
he's trying to go back there during TNW

[viscid spoke]

So game lore make no sense anymore

[strange plinth]

huh

[viscid spoke]

Old peace is before the new war not after

[strange plinth]

the old peace quest is after TNW
the actual period of time is way before, yeah
in the middle of the old war

[viscid spoke]

He was alive before in tau how can he not forseen that he die in the new war did he have clones of himself?

[strange plinth]

what?
he can't see the future

[viscid spoke]

And im more intrigued in lore of man in wall and albrecht entrati

He is literaly the devil himself

He can he saw us in the sacrifice talked with us telepaticaly he knew we spy and gave us paracesis in chimera prologue

We barely even used it he stab us with it and became narmer we didnt saw what happened in that time.. drifter appeared now were a duality

[strange plinth]

he didn't see us during the sacrifice's memory sections, he was talking to Umbra
he gave us paracesis as part of his plan to take the system

[viscid spoke]

Im interested in man in the wall if he friend or foe , if he was foe he could of end us long before he gave us void powers and duviri time loop hand guess its his power too

And of albrecht entrati

[fast dew]

Albrecht is a friend, wally is foe

Albeit Albrecht isnt very friendly

[strange plinth]

he made us kill our parents
gives foe energy to me

[viscid spoke]

Nope we didnt kill them because of him

[fast dew]

Im sure if we weren't being harassed by the man in the wall, Albrecht would like us a little more.

[viscid spoke]

The void changes people make them insane

[fast dew]

Yes we did, he turned them insane

[strange plinth]

he made them go mad, then he gave us the powers to kill them

[fast dew]

No, void kills.

Void kills or severely harms - ie Albrecht and teshin

[viscid spoke]

Void made hold fasts turn to monsters

[fast dew]

Wally messes with the mind - Cavia, Rell, our parents, Rulsalka

[viscid spoke]

They only ones left of zariman

Im interested if we ever repair zariman fully

[fast dew]

They're not even from that what

[viscid spoke]

Would be railjack 2.0

[fast dew]

They're from conceptual embodiment

Something not related to wally

[strange plinth]

once again the archives site gets a "rusalka" search from me

"The adults turned on us. Did you do that?"

"The parents turned on you," the Queen corrected them graciously, prompted by the Glory that enveloped her. "The rest of the adults were spared. At first."

The Orphan snarled up at her. "You can't bear it, can you? Anything good, anything wholesome, even the bond between a parent and child! You corrupt it all!"

[strange plinth]

even if we could, its plugging the hole in the albrecht membrane, its more important that it stays there

[viscid spoke]

1 worm queen left wont she turn evil and revenge on her sister?

Saw a video said we will support corpus aka parvos granum

[fast dew]

.. what

[viscid spoke]

Imagine if zariman makes the jump loop and all people never had accident wont that mean we never meet anyone in origin sistem and entire new game? No lotus no factions etc

[fast dew]

Here's a tip friendo, most warframe lore videos suck

[strange plinth]

imma be honest she doesn't seem that shaken up by losing her sister
she's sending troops into lua and the zariman to harvest kuva

[fast dew]

.... she has a puppet of her sister who she talks to

[viscid spoke]

She made kuva liches 🙂

[fast dew]

Fym not shaken up 😭

[viscid spoke]

Parvos made sisters

And 1999 made coda

When sentient liches ;))

[fast dew]

Well its good you didnt say Albrecht made the coda

Thats a misconception ive seen that makes me want to rip out drywall

[viscid spoke]

Imagine it .. sentient liches

Farmin sentients for murmur

Ropalolist or eidolons

Haha

Or new types

[strange plinth]

the scaldra propaganda is a little too effective sometimes

[viscid spoke]

Im waiting on modular archwing,deployable railjack and new stuff

Scaldra interest me too and techrot

Who made them why they soo evil

[fast dew]

Yeah well I just had a person try to tell me Albrecht didnt stop continuity

[viscid spoke]

Why neci and victor bad people

[fast dew]

They're fascists

Thats why

[viscid spoke]

Can we turn them to good side?

[fast dew]

Dude, theyre nazis

[viscid spoke]

I thaught at first that neci is the new saryn skin

:))

[fast dew]

You dont just turn a nazi into a good person 😭

[strange plinth]

they're clearing out civillians to give room to more scaldra loyalists under the guise of clearing techrot
for just one of their actions

[viscid spoke]

I cried in quest

When we got the chance to shoot indiference we didnt

[fast dew]

Oh boy I wonder what thats supposed to be representative of

And i hate that we didnt

[viscid spoke]

It was posesing neci drifter said hes not like him like albrecht what makes it any different

[fast dew]

Regardless of if its wally or Rulsalka, theyre both horrible people

[viscid spoke]

I wish we could chose

Even in the quest 1999

To dodge and shoot him back

[strange plinth]

granted, drifter didn't fully know so at the time

[viscid spoke]

An eye for an eye

Ashes to ashes and bones to dust !

[fast dew]

The hex really shouldve told them

[waxen mesa]

What does the steel meridian do for the grineer

[strange plinth]

standing back there n watching the scene instead of saying anything

[viscid spoke]

Hex and kim sistem soo whierd i stil dont understand it

[waxen mesa]

is it just like, they own a few places here and there or do they help the grineer like....assimilate

[viscid spoke]

Harrow stil dont chat with me guess i need more actions with marie

[strange plinth]

they oppose the grineer, mostly. they defected and formed their own faction

[viscid spoke]

Grineer are just clones they cant be reason with

Corpus we can turn them good kill leaders and they obey to new

[waxen mesa]

so there's not really any larger goal. it's just 'we're the grineers but butter' mindset

[viscid spoke]

Infested have hive mind

[mint valve]

Did y’all notice the footsteps at the end of the hex quest line up with the tap tap tap? I feel like I’m not the only one who picked up on that.

[waxen mesa]

some orokin grade grineer racism

[viscid spoke]

What scares me the most is tau and major galastra with that transference bolt she makes operators and warframes rogue

[strange plinth]

steel meridian's goal is helping the random people around the system
"This war's chewin' up the weak and innocent. No one stands up for them but Steel Meridian."

[waxen mesa]

is kahl in the steel meridian or just associates with it for his rescues

[viscid spoke]

Kahl isnt in steel meridian

Thats clem

[strange plinth]

Kahl: "Steel Meridian too big. Worms see them coming. Kahl work better like this. Little group. Like Kubrow pack."
doesn't work with them but doesn't work against them

[viscid spoke]

Clem is kahl himself when he didnt talk when he was just a clone

So we can say clem is kahl brother or son

🙂

[waxen mesa]

doesn't Kahl turn any grineer who don't go back to the queens over to the steel meridian

[viscid spoke]

Stalker amuses me too he has a son with jade and his name is soren

Will his son affect game impact at a later date?

[ocean geyser]

probably

[viscid spoke]

The new evil entity it was glowing green and green eyes

[ocean geyser]

wha

what are you talking about

[viscid spoke]

At jade shadow quest

[ocean geyser]

the baby????

[viscid spoke]

Yea

[ocean geyser]

dude it's just a baby

[viscid spoke]

It will grow

[waxen mesa]

The only thing worse then a void demon?

a child

[viscid spoke]

We shal see in time in a quest if will turn good or evil

[waxen mesa]

argueably stalker is the good guy

[viscid spoke]

Why u think we had 2 options for it good or bad

I wonder if we ever find a cure for cephalons

To give them new bodies

[strange plinth]

not necessarily
was just which name to go with, Jade's or Sorren's

[waxen mesa]

from the corpus and grineer's perspective we're brutal murderers who hoard orokin tech and void access to ourselves and kill anyone who gets near

[viscid spoke]

Id love a spar with ordis

Beast of bones

[ocean geyser]

dude old peace is essentially a flashback 😭
man im scrolling back to read all of whatever this is

[waxen mesa]

Stalker is just the who says "yeah okay you guys aren't space cops."

[ocean geyser]

okay let me check something here

Fron
what do you think the old peace quest is?

[viscid spoke]

I saw then in old peace all we did margulis made us forget

Made us sleep but ballas said to us to remember him

Wish we could just let him die there

[ocean geyser]

ye

[viscid spoke]

Would of been no new war after

Im stil sad about adis

Tau as we know it wont be the same

Is tau with the grasshoper?

March

[ocean geyser]

im still confused as to why you think Ballas had clones

Old Peace Ballas and New War Ballas is the same guy

[viscid spoke]

I thaught old peace he was more powerful as now present and that he could read minds and see past present future

Thats all

[ocean geyser]

...why?

[waxen mesa]

99% of people who say the lore makes no sense do not understand the first thing of the lore

[strange turtle]

Letter from Teshin when they added the Alignment system

"Three are the principles,
three the weaving ways.

Cool water flows,
the moon behind a cloud;
To the receptive mind
All things come in time.

Sun at mid-heaven,
Sovereign above all;
Mind in firm action
Commits without reflecting.

Between sun and moon
Unfolds a winding path;
Not by one Way alone
Is Mastery achieved.

Let me explain, Child. The words I speak to you have purpose. The choices you've been forced to make have not attuned you to 'good' nor 'evil', but to older, less subjective principles. You must find comfort in your choices, for your enemies will provide you none. The road ahead will be one that requires more choices of you, Child. Be ready."

[ocean geyser]

Litany of the Dax

[ocean geyser]

i wanna know why you thought he could do literally any of those things
genuinely

[viscid spoke]

So stalker child will be new operator if drifter and operator of us die for good?

If so then kim console makes sense with dating

[ocean geyser]

jade and stalker*

green meant jade picked the name
red meant sorren picked the name
that doesn't mean it's good or bad

[viscid spoke]

Continuity and transference moves on

I wish

[ocean geyser]

nah he's not talking about alignment

[viscid spoke]

That warframe.. will be real life one day

I want real life as a warframe

Sci fi

It almost is if you imagine it

[ocean geyser]

warframe irl would probably not be very pleasant

[waxen mesa]

becoming a warframe is described as extreamly painful

[ocean geyser]

huh..?

[viscid spoke]

We are grineer we work for corporations for corpus, infested are all plants and animals, sentients are the machines

[waxen mesa]

even if you ain't a warframe the universe is like. straight Grimdark

[viscid spoke]

And ballas is elon musk

We just need a lotus

[ocean geyser]

im not sure what's happening here anymore

[waxen mesa]

you are either under a ruthless mega corp and live your whole life as a cog in the machine.

a grineer clone....yeah

or an unaffiliated human fearing for the day one of the two factions finds you

[viscid spoke]

And man in wall is in hell named satan

Yea

[ocean geyser]

the void isn't really
hell, though

[viscid spoke]

I live in a sci fi world

[ocean geyser]

not in a conventional sense

[viscid spoke]

Alot games played my mind is sci fi

I wish warframe to be real life

We just missing void powers

Were like drifter no powers 🙂

We need recreate the event with void jump space accident

Or as in movie back to the future with car delorian

[ocean geyser]

why did you post your pfp

[viscid spoke]

Is me made with ai

Said how would i look in a sci fi world

[ocean geyser]

that doesn't look particularly sci fi

[viscid spoke]

Ai show me as if i were the witcher gerald

Its witcher 3 in space

But i kept the sword vs gun 🙂

[ocean geyser]

also

[strange plinth]

rule 4

[ocean geyser]

yeah rule 4

[viscid spoke]

Yea sorry i didnt know

I didnt read rulles my bad

So thats all i want a world like warframe

[waxen mesa]

i say it again. warframe is grimdark. it would be awful to live in

[viscid spoke]

To farm and explore new stuff all time

It wont be harder than our timeline

I wish aliens existed

[ocean geyser]

i think you're fantasizing a little too hard here

[viscid spoke]

Yea

Thats my mind all the time 24/7 sorry

Fantasy / sci-fi brain

Im curious of the unknown i want to know more and more of the universe

I want to contact other species and connect get in touch with them 🙂

So far the only way is playing warframe until game becomes real life

With the technology advancing we would end up like cyberpunk

Humans vs augmented

Warframe has soo many game competitor titles to copy ideas from but its unique in its own way and its free thats what making me love the game soo much ,no game can conpete against it ever , and devs actualy listen to the comunity and not greedy for money

Respect for entire team !

Sorry if i disturbed

[pearl river]

Guessing people have speculated this is tied to the day and night forms of equinox, 2 different gemini skins behind each door and a fusion of the two (that's not shown)?

[ocean geyser]

could also just be Sol and Lua bathrooms

[pearl river]

lmao, probably that

[restive river]

It’s in reference to Sol and Lua, the figures of the religion of 1999 known as Dualism

If they were going to do an Equinox proto I feel they would have done it with the Triad tbh
That’s if they go with the dualism angle for her which. They likely would

[pearl river]

the opportunity is still there to put an office in the bathroom for equinox

[restive river]

Also Equinox is a singular person, at most she just is androgynous but swaps between masc and fem

[raw knoll]

I'm a returning player focusing on the story quests rn, and beside being confused about pretty much everything, I've got a singular question:

What's the context behind the "Old Peace" quest? (I've just beginned with it) Why do we use this "Dark Refractory"? What are you looking for? Albretch?

It feels like the game assume I already know, and I'm sure an active player would have all the context needed, but I'm not.

[reef radish]

There isn't much context to be had, honestly. You're looking for something in your memories of the Old War/Peace, and the Dark Refractory is a device that lets you get to those memories (with Lotus assistance, of course).

It throws you right into the deep end

[raw knoll]

Alright then, thanks. Seems to be a very cool quest. Can't wait to see how it all goes to shit and find out why it's ballas fault again, lol.

[loud oriole]

i like to think we're looking for the keys to the defunct Tau junction that got misplaced when it was destroyed

[fast dew]

I mean, we dont even know why Albrecht has the dark refractory

[loud oriole]

-# its Arthur's keys

[fast dew]

Let alone how we're gonna find Albrecht through it

[fast dew]

Well, clearly it works w out the lotus, or Albrecht wouldn't be able to use it. If he did

[reef radish]

I was specifically referring to our memories with that bit

Since Lotus at least has some knowledge of how Margulis suppressed them, and can thusly un-suppress them

[fast dew]

Tbf the way you said it was super misleading 😭

"The dark refractory is a device that lets you get to those memories (with the lotus assistance, of course)"

This doesnt exactly scream that it's about our memory specifically - considering the dark refractory probably wasnt even built for us

[reef radish]

Okay, yeah, you've got a point

Me no English good, sorry

[loud oriole]

if anything Albrecht probably built it to be a jacuzzi a deprivation tank to brainstorm or have some wild ideas that Loid and Lotus used to let us dive into our own minds

[raw knoll]

By the way, what happened to the lotus eyes, exaclty? That they were gouged out as something to do with the treaty breaking out?

[south sun]

Look into Margulis and her history with the tenno

[fast dew]

Its Margulis, not the lotus, and she was blinded by a tenno

[raw knoll]

Another question: Is there fragments / lore pickups in 1999 about protoframes? What they are, etc?

(Because I find the wiki article about it pretty barebone. Is that all there's to it?)

[ashen pulsar]

KIM? kinda?

[proper barn]

Oh the protoframes the people talk a lot about their experiences.

[proper barn]

I think they each have a conversation about how they where changed or at least how they met albretch.

[ashen pulsar]

yeah prob

[proper barn]

That wasn't the lotus.

@raw knoll did I answer your question? Also play more of the quests.

If you haven't gotten there yet.

[raw knoll]

@proper barn Well, I just finished the Old Peace, that was cool. But yeah, I've mostly started replaying to catch up on the big solo quests (pretty much did Duviri Paradox to Old Peace in two sittings).
Quite frankly, while I'm interesting in the lore of Warframe, I am abso-lu-te-ly not interested in the grind. So I'm just to look up things in the wiki, maybe play a thing or two, but that's it.

[proper barn]

Kim chats aren't grinds really.

But also I mean like this sounds mean but I just think like "do you want to play warframe?" If you don't wanna do the gameplay of warframe..

[fast dew]

Sometimes lore is needed to be grinded for (Albrecht's notes)

[raw knoll]

Hey don't get me wrong, it's a pleasure to play warframe - played it so much in the past, that it became a mind numbing second job.
For what it's worth, I really like the direction they took with 1999. The chatting, the lore tidbits if you listen - there's a real feeling of progress beyond numbers, so to speak?

[proper barn]

Yee.

[barren jasper]

ordis lore 🤤

[strange turtle]

There’s fragments in Albrecht’s Labs, but 1999 lore is from the KIM chats

The Protos are people Albrecht gave modified Helminth injections to. The transformation to a Warframe is slowed down so that they can stay human.

Also like, ovipositor-type genitals so they don’t have to go celibate

[fast dew]

What-

I. Ykwhat im not gonna question anything about that last part

[strange turtle]

Those are the ones that go inside the body, right?

[drowsy saddle]

No... Helminth left those untouched...

So you still get to enjoy all 8 inches of Quincy...

[fast dew]

Im sorry what

https://tenor.com/view/hampter-hamster-vimen-scared-traumatized-gif-23053438

[restive willow]

What fid I oen dc to….

Open*

[fast dew]

Muckin idk dawg

They're not wrong though, they do have. Parts

Yet again though, I get unsettled by thinking of any form of reproduction

[drowsy saddle]

Look, when even Reb jokes about nights with Eleanor, i get to make a schmeat joke

[restive willow]

Mkay that’s where i leave again

[topaz pawn]

lmao

[restive river]

Server rules still apply
Be careful lmao

[raw knoll]

Btw, about the Old Peace - why did Ballas terraformed tau, broke the treaty and covered it up? What was his end goal here?

[restive river]

Orokin don’t wanna share Tau with the robot slaves they made

Also you’re asking why an Orokin did something terrible

[raw knoll]

Redundant, I know lol

[pale cedar]

Imagine any concept of sharing past 1999

[raw knoll]

But then again, what's so special about the tau solar system? Is it because it's the closest one to our own solar system or something else?

[restive river]

It’s special cause they want it

[raw knoll]

Wasn't there a dozen nuclear war between 1999 and the orokins?

[restive river]

Cause they put a lot of resources into getting it

Because they want to expand to outlive the sun

[restive river]

18 radiation wars, we don’t know much beyond that

[strange turtle]

Our system is depleting its resources and they messed up a bunch of the habitable places

[raw knoll]

Then why even bother with a treaty in the first place?

Welp, I hope our grineer buddy made it out alive at least

[restive river]

The Orokin voted on it and the Sentient fragments suddenly had independence
Also the Sentients were kicking their butts in the war

Like literally without the Tenno they would have fallen

[restive river]

Oh he is 10000% dead

[pale cedar]

It’s funny for a system low on resources it had enough to build Countless failed attempts, Sentients and multiple Zarimen

[strange turtle]

"They already suffer in this growing wasteland. They have already paid. Will you also sacrifice the royal futures by ignoring my solution?"

"The Void is poison to them. Once they have reached Tau they will be marooned there. To travel the Rail here would destroy them. Whatever the risks, the Origin System will be—"

Ballas shouted, "Enough! Dereliction of the law threatens the entire empire. Which one of you will risk this?" Ballas was growing increasingly frustrated.

"The empire is already at risk," cried the shrill voice of another Executor. "Or perhaps you haven't noticed from your cosy position on Mars." To this there was a round of applause and the judgement disk remained unchanged.

[restive river]

I mean it clearly has a lot of resources left, I always got the vibe they were more so being preemptive

Also cause they had like
A long time still with the sun?

[raw knoll]

So the betrayal was 100% Ballas own move?

[restive river]

Pfft no

[strange turtle]

Might be low on resources but it’s still a whole system that’s low on resources

[restive river]

Nitokh was supporting the Anarchs

[pale cedar]

Tau wouldn’t have even solved that tbh with how bad the Orokin manage things

[restive river]

And at least two other Executors voted against peace

[restive river]

It could have
A new home for one
And possibly enough resources to continue the expansion

[pale cedar]

Ballas admits they would’ve just brought ruin as they did to Earth

[restive river]

Yeahh probably lmao

But that’s cause they’re frankly quite stupid

Continuity makes you dumb

[raw knoll]

So, long story short, pause the war, get enough tenno in tau, restart the war?

Actually, I never asked - the Orokins empire did get booted out the tau system at some point, right? Or just cut off? (Meaning there might still be tenno marooned there?)

[strange turtle]

I mean it would have. Completely untouched and freshly terraformed. Untapped resources. No Infestation or major conflicts to deal with

Sure they’d mess it up eventually, but that’d be a good long while, and they’d have just gotten into their expansion spree

[strange turtle]

Yeah, Hunhow destroyed the Origin-side of the Rail

[restive river]

Not quite, more like pause the war, sabotage the one thing making the fragments independent, restart the war

And the Orokin’s presence likely didn’t last long in Tau after that if at all, same for any Tenno which. I doubt any were left behind

For everything Margulis did wrong she loved the tenno and did everything she could to protect them (unless they’re Rell :/ )

[raw knoll]

Why didn't they stay in the Tau system? Did they retreat at some point?

[restive river]

By destroying the xenoflora the sentient’s individual numbers go down drastically, leaving a smaller amount with fragments rather than several, possibly hundreds of sapient fragments

[restive river]

Who? The Orokin or the Sentients?

[raw knoll]

Everyone but the sentients. I thought the sentients were doing quite well for themselves in tau since they expelled the Orokins?

[restive river]

Anyone who stayed would likely be killed if not meet a worse fate

And the Sentients would be doing well in theory

We don’t actually know their current state

[raw knoll]

Now, it's an old memory, but I remember reading somewhere about Corpus expeditions (or probes?) into the Tau system

[restive river]

No Corpus expeditions nor probes

Those would take way too long to get there

There were Orokin probes iirc, I’ll find the exact quote

The terraforming pods are the eggs fyi

[pale cedar]

Corpus might not even be a thing yet as of Old Peace

[restive river]

Sentients were taking the long way so the Orokin sent the drones and eggs, likely through ftl finger travel

[fast dew]

I just spent the last 5 minutes tryna condense Albrecht's lore and shit is hard man

[restive river]

They were a thing during the orokin era (or maybe it was the old war idr)

But also Protea exists during the Old Peace so Parvos has to exist prior to that

[pale cedar]

They were but we don’t know how far in

Oh, true

[restive river]

Yeahh

[fast dew]

I deasass think Ballas just had a habit of stealing designs that were commissioned

[pale cedar]

Protea Prime the child Parvos was never gifted

[fast dew]

Fully what i think Qorvex prime to be as well

[restive river]

Sad man falls into nothing, makes it something, summons wallman, runs away but gets hurt, boyfriend heals him, sad man now scared man looks for way to stop wallman, falls into bookland, leaves bookland, animal experiment time, 1999 now?, make warframe people?, get high with boyfriend, boyfriend comes up with big warframe, start big warframes, scared again leave for 1999 forever, omg bookland orphan found sad man, tau????

How’s that?

[restive river]

I mean he technically made Protea, he is her other dad

[pale cedar]

Child of 2 fathers

[restive river]

Protea got 2 dads
but we got like 3 moms

AND 2 dads!

[restive river]

Do we count natah as a mom actually

Also we’re up to like 4 now even aside from that (mom, marg, lotus, mother)

[pale cedar]

4 mothers

[restive river]

Natah too mean

[pale cedar]

2 terrible fathers

[restive river]

Wait who’s the first one

Unless you mean for protea lol

[fast dew]

This works

[restive river]

To simplify albrecht further
Sad man make wall, now stop wall

[pale cedar]

Actually it’s 1 good father and 1 terrible father

[restive river]

Og dad and father?

[fast dew]

And loid is the equivalent of the wine aunt if they were a man

[restive river]

weed uncle

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Weed uncle works

[pale cedar]

Entrati family isn’t very good at being a family

[restive river]

Nope!

But Xaku is!

[fast dew]

Theyres a lot of trauma and or neurodivergence tbf, thats a hard thing to do w unresolved issues

[pale cedar]

At least the family knows Albrecht ain’t truly gone now

He’s still alive

Funny how they learned it from a butler spilling the secrets

[topaz pawn]

living in the basement the whole time

[fast dew]

I mean. How else are you supposed to explain why youre suddenly alive

[pale cedar]

Easy

I put myself in a ice box and was woken up by a child

[fast dew]

Thats totally not a loaded answer

[viscid spoke]

xD CUTE

space mom cute on any colour

i like blue

[tall echo]

That's a horribly intense blue

[dark compass]

Bluetus

[waxen mesa]

whats the difference between the red and blue infestation

[tall echo]

Vome is blue

That's it

[dark compass]

You mean the Deimos cycles?

They're just two people and they have their own fun colors

[waxen mesa]

no

[dark compass]

What else are you talking about then?

[waxen mesa]

there's blue infestation on the derelicts around deimos

[tall echo]

deimos

Vome

[strange turtle]

Nah

There’s no orange Fass version, just glowy blue, and it’s from before Deimos anyway

[crimson bobcat]

i kinda wonder why this room is there when you can´t use it as to start the dark refractory missons

[glass olive]

@plain dagger
"A Drifter's conversation with Eleanor reveals that the Techrot eventually will spread across the Earth in the future, leading to the first of The Radiation Wars - failed attempts to destroy the Techrot with nuclear bombs - leaving the planet severely damaged due to the ensuing nuclear fallout, which leads to the Orokin empire rising from the ashes of the world. That said, it appears the Orokin never completely removed the radiation from the planet. Whether they considered the endeavor not worth their time and resources or there was another reason it's currently unknown."
"Earth (also referred to as Ancient Er by the Ostrons) is the homeworld of humanity but has been mostly abandoned millennia ago, its surface largely overtaken by a large, mutated jungle structure. The Grineer have taken control over this planet, intending to poison the forest and build their empire over it."
"The Orokin high class generally engaged in activities normally considered inhumane and immoral, including human trafficking[1] (for use in Continuity) and torture (as told by Grandmother.) Toward the end of the Orokin Era, their capital was Earth's moon, now known as Lua. "

[plain dagger]

Sounds right

They destroyed earth

[glass olive]

no

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Radiation_Wars

[waxen mesa]

so is Xaku's 3 frames unknown of entirely. or are what three frames they are unknown. because their butt really gives me equinox vibes

[pale cedar]

We don’t know which frames were lost at all

Nor genders or anything like that

[dark compass]

Only weird identifiers we have is their 3

Gaze, Accuse, Deny

[waxen mesa]

The question was.

can we look at the frame and figure the 3 out

or are the three frames entirely gone and we will never see the frames they are made of

[dark compass]

Together they make up the lost

[dark compass]

Nah it's original parts

[pale cedar]

We can’t figure them out by body parts attached

[dark compass]

Probably no concept art of those that Xaku is made out of

[pale cedar]

We literally have nothing on Xaku past 3 frames lost

Xaku Prime was the only chance we had to even get Xaku lore

And that never happened because no trailer

[mystic lynx]

That picture is likely Xaku prime
Xaku prime can't exist normally so it must exist after the 3 lost wf merged
So whoever designed Xaku prime (most likely Albrecht) just took creative liberty

This is makes like what 7 frame that we know exist but doesn't know their ability?

[waxen mesa]

who are the other 4

[mystic lynx]

The Warden that become Rev
The warden Lavos used to be since his alchemy power is post transmutation
The other 2 (i think 2) in Ivara leverian

[zenith geode]

This has probably been suggested before, but I feel the need to know if my thoughts make sense to anyone other than myself. So, when Lua was in the void, those who were worshipping Lua at the time didn't necessarily stop just because they couldn't see Lua anymore. I've a feeling that the deific qualities associated with the void, may come from the collective belief of all those who's belief is tied to that celestial body. In a way it would be something akin to conceptual embodiment driven by not one, but millions of individuals, like an extradimensional tulpa infused with inexplicable amounts of power. The thing that had slowly been growing from the shed fragments of all those who had once come in contact with it, was fed a buffet of beliefs, inconceivable conceptions of divinity.

[waxen mesa]

was lua even still worshipped by the time of the collapse?

also Wally came into existence well before lua vanished

[pale cedar]

They abandoned Lua for Vain Faith anyway

Also Wally is irrelevant to it because Void was already a thing the tech already existed and Wally is not a God that is worshipped

[waxen mesa]

i suppose im confusing who's perspective they meant

in the eys of the corpus? Void probably see as special becaus of how the tenno are seemingly protecting it

[lean garden]

we dont even protect the void persay

void towers have very little to do about the void aside from hiding there

[waxen mesa]

keyword was "seemingly"

[lean garden]

it wouldnt even be seemingly here

[ocean geyser]

They only mention the void when they’re going to kill someone
For profit
At most they treat it like an afterlife

[waxen mesa]

I would argue it sure does seem like it when we have a habit of killing anyone who tries to get void access

[lean garden]

its like, say the difference between protecting an oil rig versus protecting the ocean the oil rig is on

[lean garden]

not void access, its just access to those installations in the void

[ocean geyser]

And if we don’t then the Towers fill with corrupted
Then we have to purge them again

[lean garden]

everyone who uses the rail system runs through the void anyways

[waxen mesa]

y'all give the corpus too much credit

[ocean geyser]

Huh

[waxen mesa]

you, the player who can read lore, knows more about the void then the corpus do

[lean garden]

and the corpus arent heading to the void towers because theres juicy void things, theyre heading into towers because theres juicy orokin things.

the juicy void things the corpus seem to go after are the ones on this side of reality on the zariman

commanded by a fella who is already in his own pocket of void

[pale cedar]

Corpus don’t really care about the Void tbh

[zenith geode]

If the antithesis of life is not death, but is an absence of living, an absence of remembrance, the nothing of disillusionment, just as the opposite of loving someone is not hating them, but being indifferent to their very existence. Then all things in the universe being relative includes emotional attachments to bygone faiths and the hearts of those around oneself, even the closest of friends do not have the same thoughts of themselves that the other holds of them. To know nothing of someone, to truly be indifferent towards them is to see them and not know them for who they are, to hear without understanding what they say, to view another through a lens of ignorance, never caring to know, to not see them as anything more than background noise.

Imagine falling into an endless ocean, except instead of water, there are innumerable photos into which you plunge. With each cutting contact your body has with these images, they slash off tiny snapshots of your memories. Your mind slowly fades away into the darkness that closes in around your diminishing consciousness. By the time you would have reached the bottom you'd have been reduced to a single unthinking, unknowing and uncaring picture amidst countless equally meaningless others. Only the incongruent and disconnected flashes of dissolved memories remain making up our gulf of disillusion, our god-void. This nothingness of discarded drippings reaches out with it's squamous fragments to pull down all things to itself, to rejoin it's shards with the supreme oneness of all things. Life and love had proved highly resistant to all forms of incorporation with the void, resulting in it's imperfect fragments. Unlike them, creatures that coalesced from the pure void itself became dark reflections of those it's met, mobile manifestations of the void itself, anathema to all things which still contain causally linear memories, as it seeks to disperse them from their prison of a relativistic and subjective reality.

Oops, uhh... sorry for the rambling book >.>

[lean garden]

Life and love had proved highly resistant to all forms of incorporation with the void, resulting in it's imperfect fragments.
Unfortunately, we know love can interact with the void to produce a viable conceptual embodiment

Thanks Belric and Rania for loving each other so much that the void crafted a tunnel to each of your bodies

[lean garden]

as it seeks to disperse them from their prison of a relativistic and subjective reality.
Who is dispersing who?

[fast dew]

NecraLoid: "What would our old master had made of that?"

[ocean geyser]

Gang i we’ve been given the corpus 0 credit what are you talking about

[zenith geode]

That's a good point, so it may not be an issue of being incompatible with certain emotions. As for the dispersal theory, that would be the indifference attempting to convert reality into void by dispersing conciousness of constrained entities so they're more like itself. That said the non-linear causality of it all makes the order of events less important than the effects of said events on the universe around them, like with Lyon's memories. Like captain Braxton said, A leads to B leads to C leads to A.

[lean garden]

then in that case its highly ironic to describe wally and its murmurs trying to disperse us from our "prison" of relativistic and subjective reality

because the void is the one thats vastly more relativisitic and subjective

[zenith geode]

We're all subjective when view by someone else, that's just the nature of reality, just like believing oneself to be the only source of objectively.

[fast dew]

I sure wish I understood whatever this is about

[lean garden]

Except the void is significantly more so

anything in the void directly comes from the subjective mind

[fast dew]

Oh, oh yeah thats true

Thats what CE is, theres deadass nothing else in the void over than what we embody or hide in there

[lean garden]

our side of reality there are things that still remain objective no matter how observers perceive it

[pale cedar]

This is why you gotta get out of Entrati and Loid exists School and join the actual Void School

[lean garden]

theres no botzman braining this one

[zenith geode]

Which is why it's nature is constantly in flux, because it's like the shadow of reality constantly shifting as the world above itself does. I think I get what you're saying.

[fast dew]

No there's just big words at its 5am so ima struggle regardless 💔

I dropped out for a reason nemesis

[lean garden]

we also cant ascertain that the goal for wally is to deconstruct our consciousness into its bitty itty gritty committee

on account that it acts like a petulant child lashing out of spite

[zenith geode]

A behavior it learned from us

[lean garden]

theres a whole host of psychoanalytic mumbo jumbo that can be ascribed to wally, but it tends to lean more on the creation of the self rather than some human universality shenanigans where all eventually become one

[fast dew]

I wouldnt say its a behaviour learned from us tbh

[tall echo]

What the void(hell) is going on here

[zenith geode]

I getcha, thanks for the help in talking this out, gunna go think on this and do some more drugs.

[fast dew]

He is generally just immature and childish. Much like a child acting as an adult.

However. That all goes to moot when he begins to abuse folk for the sake of it

[pale cedar]

Don’t do drugs and lore it’s a lethal combination

[fast dew]

Albrecht core

[fast dew]

I can confirm

-# I love mentioning that Albrecht did an equivalent of weed to people

[pale cedar]

Albrecht and Loid did drugs and lore and look what happened

[buoyant viper]

I'm happy I tuned in to see this, was entertaining and fun lore perspectives.

[fast dew]

Yeah Loid greened out

Thats the bad result

I do hope we get to see nestawood mentioned more

[pale cedar]

Probably won’t tbh

Though Vallis Undermind was a perfect time to do so

[fast dew]

It really was

[drowsy saddle]

Mfr wants to introduce the concept of real estate to a dimension that is literally infinite

[buoyant viper]

The kinopage ringing was Albrecht (or Wally idk fully) right? And once we answered the call (1999 quest), it stopped because we could go up and chat to lotus on the cliffs (without the annoying ringing). Is the fact it's ringing again on the labs cliff a possible sign he's calling again?

(ik it's speculation but it's just a weird detail I noticed)

[tall echo]

No it's just reset to before lotus picked it up

[buoyant viper]

Oki. 👍

[junior arrow]

Chat, i have come to the realization that Limbo is cannonically the only warframe thay dosent have an ability

Afaik all the warframes were made with powers ingrained to them by Ball-Ass

But Limbo is the only one who dosent have an innate power

Hes just smart

[ocean geyser]

Im pretty sure the abilities were developed after being void attuned
So they kind of just happened instead of being purposeful

At least at first

[restive river]

Limbo likely had original abilities but they were lost in favor of what he gained

Also uh. Dante

[junior arrow]

Ballas said that they made specific strains of the infestation and put them into warframes, all except mirage afaik have factory made abilities

[restive river]

Dante shouldn’t have any of the abilities he has prior to finding the book in the labs

[restive river]

Xaku:

[junior arrow]

Yeah i forgor about xaku

And i havent seen the lore of Dante yet

[restive river]

Idk bout specific strains of infestation, it’s more so he designed the frames and their abilities
But ofc not all, we have a variety of frames

All frames are helminth

[junior arrow]

Yeah, i know some are custom made like Protea

[ocean geyser]

Warframes ARE the specific strain of the infestation

The Helminth

[junior arrow]

And some like the Heirloom are basically just status symbols for the orokin

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think heirlooms have lore

[restive river]

Not necessarily, we don’t know if the heirlooms are canon.

[junior arrow]

I domt remember where i read that

[ocean geyser]

Primes have lore, sometimes
Not heirlooms
Skins rarely have lore

[junior arrow]

Then maybe i am just spreading missinformation

[restive river]

All primes are canon
Only some skins are canon

[junior arrow]

I will continue on doing that tho

[restive river]

On spreading missinfo? 😭

[junior arrow]

Yes

[restive river]

Why

[junior arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/fortnite-gif-4169442390448293969

[ocean geyser]

Lmao

[restive river]

What are you
An Orokin

[junior arrow]

Dont you dare compare me to those blue balls bastards

[restive river]

Then don’t spread missinfo

[junior arrow]

https://tenor.com/view/misinformation-spreading-spreading-misinformation-online-gif-4543841945782036495

[restive river]

Ok

Orokin

[strange turtle]

Nah, strain is the term for the individual Warframes as well

[strange turtle]

You may have gotten the Deluxes and Heirlooms mixed up?

They’re a pretty similar concept

[royal anchor]

More likely its the tenno behind the heirloom skins(making ornate redesigns of their favorite frames with the help of helminth though) since primes were made by the orokin...

[pale cedar]

Base frames were made by Orokin too lol

[dry oracle]

heirloom skins are part of the lore?

[ocean geyser]

I don’t think so

[tall echo]

No

Skins are non-canon unless stated or shown otherwise

For example ash shroud is canon as its syandana and bow appear in ash's leverian

[silk atlas]

Most of it would just boil down to "someone was tasked with making it look different" anyway

[ocean geyser]

Ballas: “Archimedians, I need you to make my warframes look like glowing Jello.”

[pale cedar]

Orokin wanted a new unique design for existing frame but already made Prime

Made a heirloom instead

[fast dew]

Okay construct 💔

-# said like how loid says it

[normal mountain]

"Okay, construct"

[hazy inlet]

I'm gonna need to have a stern talk with the Orokin who designed the Ember heirloom

[normal mountain]

Ballas: "Is something the matter with my design?"

[fast dew]

He says it with such vitriolic hatred and its so funny lmao

[sterile dagger]

How do primes fit into the lore?

[stiff beacon]

they're either the first model of a frame, gilded after or in lavos's case primed themselves

[sterile dagger]

Huh that’s cool

[normal mountain]

And then there's Revenant Prime...

[strange turtle]

We don’t talk about that fatherless ba-

[restive river]

Rather be a construct than an Orokin

[fast dew]

True!

[tall echo]

Abberation*

[chrome rock]

do i need to censor potential spoilers here?

[dark compass]

What if you are an orokin construct

[chrome rock]

||i think i need some vintage MREs lmao||

i love this crew. the writing is so good

[tidal canopy]

is there any reasons why Lyon is talking so long to reply or type- i've waited like 10-15 minutes or more and nothing is happening

starting to wonder if its a bug that needs to be fixed or if its meant to be long for a reply

[tall echo]

It's a bug, exit and re-enter the convo

[tall echo]

No

[chrome rock]

bug

[tidal canopy]

dammit i knew it

yeah i tried re-entering and it doesnt do anything, i even restarted the game and its still doing it

[chrome rock]

🤷‍♀️ IME it's with all the new(er) protoframes, though it's kind of day-by-day whether or not it happens

[tidal canopy]

ahh i see, man i got unlucky i suppose

hopefully it'll fix itself soon

[chrome rock]

it's fine lol

just annoying. you aren't missing any dialog

just close/re-open the convo, it'll be back where it left off

[tidal canopy]

yeahh i'll see tomorrow cause right now nothing happens or changing

[royal anchor]

I'd exclude them from the night of naga drums if they promised to make more honestly. Ember's my favorite frame so that was just a based artist frft

[kindred barn]

Watching a play of chains of harrow
Wally says "You'll let me in little piggy"!!!

[golden raptor]

what do mods look like physically? and how do you insert it into the thing you're modding lol

[proper barn]

Well we know the first thing we don't know the second. I think it's literally just you use the arsenal/mod segment and that is a powerful thing.

@golden raptor they look like this apparently.

[gentle isle]

That's like asking how exactly do we teach pokemon tm moves if they're contained on discs

[dark compass]

Those are obviously training recordings

[proper barn]

I think they just

Eat them. (The tms.)

[dark compass]

I they they just

Eat them. (The mods.)

[proper barn]

Yummy yummy yummy plastic disc

[dark compass]

Consuming my daily dose of blind rage

[jolly root]

Heheh

[dark compass]

It's swinging 2 people

Lavos throws both Javi and his own scalie sona

[jolly root]

Oh thanks

[midnight ice]

what would be the best tasting cetus fish

obviously the cambion drift fish has the "heady smell of acetone" so thats out of the question

i'd pan-fry murkrays tbh i feel like they'd taste like catfish. sort of neutral and tender

[dark compass]

Norg brains are considered a delicacy

Maybe they taste pretty good

But you can't trust people whose palate is determined by eating wall meat

[midnight ice]

and termite droppings!

[midnight ice]

from the looks of it they may taste like a normal cow brain, fatty and with that typical gizzard iron-y flavor

i cant imagine it being anything like sea urchin innards

[tall echo]

The lobter

[sly swan]

is eleanor usually angry in most conversations?

i feel like they get her angry about halfway through

[tall echo]

No

[sly swan]

so its my fault

[tall echo]

Probably

[sly swan]

any tips on not to piss her off every convo?

[tall echo]

Idk just. Don't be rude basically

[pale cedar]

Be a decent human being

[sly swan]

ok, well i seems i need to learn sympathy

[fast dew]

Empathy is the better term

And considering thats how transference mainly works, it is fitting

[sly swan]

i feel like i can feel empathy for her, but i cant see it her way most of the time? so thats why i used sympathy

[pale cedar]

The convos on KIM aren’t actually hard mostly just using common sense

[fast dew]

Oh you're gonna struggle w Marie

[sly swan]

i figure

[fast dew]

At least you cant fail Eleanor

[sly swan]

i think i need to be more passive with her. more agreeable for eleanor.

[sly swan]

why not?

i thought i had to max them for the retry of the quest?

[tall echo]

Hex have no failstate

[pale cedar]

Lettie does

[fast dew]

Theres no failstate, the Triad and Roundtable have one

[sly swan]

where is the roundtable?

[tall echo]

Gifts and bounties

[sly swan]

is it for the old peace?

[fast dew]

Thats Flare, kaya, Minerva and Velimnir

[tall echo]

Need rank 4 with hex syndicate

[sly swan]

ah. im getting there then

[fast dew]

The devil's triad is Marie, Roathe and Lyon

[sly swan]

i feel like marie is going to hate me when i get to her

[fast dew]

Actually I think you should be able to access the triad after you do the old peace

[tall echo]

Or was it R5

[sly swan]

i have not done old peace

[tall echo]

Probably

[fast dew]

R4 for Flare, R5 for everyone else

[pale cedar]

Both

[sly swan]

its the only main quest i havent done

[fast dew]

You can do it now iirc

[sly swan]

nah. i wanna max hex and retry that quest before i do that

otherwise ill never get to it

[tall echo]

Marie has a simp trap which is great but her character sucks

[fast dew]

Her writing is good

But she will trap you there and its really funny

A person somehow did the same shit 3 times and magically still failed her

[sly swan]

i have no idea what that means

[tall echo]

Good writing doesn't directly mean good character
And some of her writing is bad too

[fast dew]

Its harder to romance

[fast dew]

Ehh. No her writing is solid

[pale cedar]

All the people who fail the KIM convos completely are showing how bad they are at communicating

[fast dew]

The warframe choice is debatable

[fast dew]

Thats not even true, my ass sucks at communicating but I managed to do fine

[tall echo]

Marie has some slight superiority complex or smth

[fast dew]

Ehh. I wouldnt call it superiority

Its... a certain word. Denial!

[sly swan]

i figured. i dont think im failing at any but eleanor. i started off good, but now i usually end up picking a dialog that kinda hits different than i expect

[pale cedar]

There’s people worse at it than you

[fast dew]

She's in denial, that leads to... a lot of shit, but i wouldnt say its superiority

[fast dew]

Which is mind blowing.

[sly swan]

narcissism?

[fast dew]

no

Youd know if it was narcissism

[sly swan]

well, i havent spoke to her, so you're right

[fast dew]

Shes actively putting her head in the sand and ignoring everything else

[tall echo]

Nah there's a tiny difference between bad at communicating and just plain antisocial moronism

[azure jasper]

She's a fanatic, IMO.

[fast dew]

Shes not even a fanatic

[tall echo]

What is a changeling chain

Is that like a conga line of shapeshifters

[fast dew]

She genuinely just wanted to believe Albrecht cared for her, which isnt unreasonable

[sly swan]

is that an euphonism?

[pale cedar]

Something KIM taught me is ADHD and Autism don’t go well together in conversations

[fast dew]

And he probably did

[fast dew]

Yeah this is true

[tall echo]

Yep

[unique aspen]

I did all the KIM comvos with the dialogue flowcharts open, and there's definitely been some Hex convos that surprised me at how quickly they can wrap up. But being curious about whatever Eleanor is saying w/out immediate judgement generally works fine.

[tall echo]

And that she's the only one who forgives him or smth

[fast dew]

Which was a shitty thing to say. Still would punch her for that, but I will still have empathy for her

[unique aspen]

Marie requires you to navigate topics she is touchy about to get the overall best ending, which is rougher than some of the others, but you mostly just have to remember to stay courteous about it.

[tall echo]

Euphemism and no

[sly swan]

thats probably why i mess up. I tend to try to exchange povs in convos with people, and that sounds like the opposite of what i do

[azure jasper]

It's my brand name. I'm a changeling (autistic) that makes chainmail.

[tall echo]

Unfortunately I've grown up in a way that makes it difficult for me to tolerate behavior like hers

[tall echo]

Don't see the connection with changelings and tism but I respect the chainmail thing, I know how much of a pain it can be

[fast dew]

... do you know what a changeling is

[unique aspen]

Yea, I can see how that'd throw things off. Just have to be more explicit in asking follow-up questions and generally going deeper into w/e she's talking about, I think.

[fast dew]

Its apart of the same connection autistic people have with Fae

Children stolen and replaced by one

[tall echo]

Oh.

[sly swan]

so i should try to let her lead the convo 90% of the time?

[fast dew]

Though what many people fail to mention is the abelistic connotations it has

[tall echo]

[tall echo]

Don't think it qualifies as connotations when it's the actual intended meaning

[sly swan]

this is an interesting conversation my question has evolved to

[fast dew]

They're just described as weird most times. Changelings are usually deformed and stuff. So you can see why its not the best, also their whole devious nature ect ect

[sly swan]

normally these conversations result in insults

[fast dew]

I just believe there's an uneducated person over someone who needs to be insulted. Its a common thing ive noticed

[tall echo]

Now I'm unsure if I should still like the general mischievous nature of dnd fey

[sly swan]

i try to just accept the other pov and thats it. if i disagree i disagree and thats it. makes most conversations about sensitive topics end more favorably

[tall echo]

I'm just brutally honest
With some jokes when I see an opportunity

[sly swan]

yeah. if i see that the person isnt going to go into hysterics when confronted with and opposing idealogy, i will be very honest and open.

[unique aspen]

More or less, yea - it's not like you're not allowed to add anything to the conversation, but strongly/bluntly expressed opinions can get read by Eleanor as you being not open to differing perspectives & thus not worth elaborating for. She ultimately wants to be heard.

[sly swan]

i kinda felt she was that way after the last two convos i had. i clearly need to work on that

[midnight ice]

WAIT YOURE RIGHT im betting its BUTTERY

[sly swan]

why do the lobter have spears

[tall echo]

Orokin thought it'd be funny to arm the lobter

[midnight ice]

equipped rapier

[sly swan]

that seems accurate

[sly swan]

ig you cant lose weapon when weapon is equipped in the genome

[tall echo]

Very possible considering how much gene manipulating orokin did

[fast dew]

Clearly Viktor is based on a lobter then

-# do we ever see viktor with that sword of his?

Ik he has snake bites tho and its criminally unnoticed

Would it be written as snake bytes...?

[sly swan]

lol

[tall echo]

No

[midnight ice]

i forgot verbatim what the notes say, but it's something like Eleanor likes talking; expanding on her own words and the such. I've had good success just looking like this every time she talks

[tall echo]

Also no

[unique aspen]

REAL

[fast dew]

Real, stealing this for my own purposes

[tall echo]

Big bytes has a copyright on the spelling

[sly swan]

So i need to shut up. which also makes sense. i dont shut up irl

[unique aspen]

She has so much she needs someone to yap to about, and I love to listen

[tall echo]

No that's also bad

[fast dew]

But!! Piercing names arent copywrited! Its actually painful as shit tryna keep up w the changing names

[fast dew]

Youre so real for that

[azure jasper]

The only convo I had to outright reset for failure states was the Triad, and that was because it bugged out where I couldn't progress. Not Anathema, just Roathe's next convo wouldn't load. It was odd.

[fast dew]

I too, yap for hours

[midnight ice]

Roathe said "that's enough outta you!" and uninstalled his chat app

[sly swan]

well, not shutting up entirely, just when my opinion isnt helpful.

[tall echo]

...brand names are

[fast dew]

He uses the POM-2 in the labs, Loid would be pissed he deleted anything

[sly swan]

remove the ram

sell for pretty penny

[midnight ice]

every time the chat is bugged it's because one of these boomers downloaded a ransomware or something

[fast dew]

The term Byte can't be 😭 big bytes, sure, and only in relation to the food industry

[unique aspen]

Yea, the entire Triad timeshare the same PC, it's kind of hilarious

[tall echo]

Roathe just unplugs the pom 2 whenever it's his turn

[midnight ice]

Loid said it's my turn on the chat with the Usurper

[fast dew]

They have a few chats about loid being around them. Roathe's being about how Loid is looming over him and how he doesn't appreciate looming

Marie makes noises occasionally and scares Loid

[tall echo]

Byte, no. Bytes, yes. Snake bytes would clearly pull from big bytes

[fast dew]

No clue on Lyon, i assume he goes on last and later at night when Loid isnt there

[sly swan]

id love to see a cinematic include this

[tall echo]

It scares him bc it reminds him of albrecht

[fast dew]

Bytes is a plural term for byte 😭 every computer company ever would be screwed, because gigabytes, megabytes, kilobytes ect ect

[tall echo]

Those aren't pulling from big bytes

[fast dew]

Byte is just the term for storage which then big bytes took

[fast dew]

No, and the argument could be made that nor does the term snake bytes

[sly swan]

speaking of albrecht. im only up to the hex. is he narcissistic? is he like batman with a plan? or is the void like puppeteering him?

[fast dew]

Batman w a plan is better, far from a narcissist

[tall echo]

Copyrighting a specific use of a word isn't very unlikely

[azure jasper]

I think the way it would work is "Big Bytes" is the trademark. And as connected to the food industry.

[fast dew]

He shall repair what he damaged, no more, no less

Something about lack of care of where the dust settles on either side

He also thinks he is a literal wet rag

[sly swan]

i agree with that, just it feels like wally is just kinda pressuring him into causing more harm.

[fast dew]

So he is far from a narcissist

[unique aspen]

Albrecht is a man of great uncertainty - what exactly is going on inside his head or where his plans are leading is something of an ongoing question. From most of the Hex's perspective, he's largely just the guy who turned them into freaky mutants.

[fast dew]

Wally is applying pressure, yeah, but theres little stuff he did that was his doing in 199x-1999. He just gets blamed for a lot of it via scaldra propaganda

[sly swan]

yeah. why did albrecht release the techrot strain?

[fast dew]

He did not spread the infestation.

[sly swan]

was it accidental?

[drowsy saddle]

We're also like, 90% sure he's acoustic

[tall echo]

He didn't

[fast dew]

He didnt do that. Thats exactly what I meant by scaldra propaganda

The techrot was already there

They're the cause of the 18 radwars

[sly swan]

Is that where the infestation came from originally?

[tall echo]

At least 18*

[unique aspen]

Albrecht got the Helminth here & turned the Hex into protoframes, but the OG Techrot was already bouncing around the city.

[azure jasper]

As far as I can tell, the Technocyte virus just...is. Helminth in particular also seems to not be bound by time.

[tall echo]

It's an older form

[fast dew]

Yeah and the other 10% blames it on PTSD

[drowsy saddle]

The mire is from the plague year, the coda mire confirms 1999 is the plague year

[fast dew]

Its helminth as like how the grey strain is

They're strains of the same infestation

[tall echo]

Actually, does that imply that mire is a devolved coda mire

[fast dew]

They're not the same though

[sly swan]

by older do you mean the other strains evolved from it? or were made from it?

or they unique in their origins

[tall echo]

Yes

[fast dew]

Tldr most strains were built upon the infestation, some were accidental, others were purposefully done

Some are tame, others are aggressive

[drowsy saddle]

At this point i don't bother with timelining the infestation, considering our prefered form of time travel is helminth

[fast dew]

Tame variants are like. The Helminth

[tall echo]

The techrot is the oldest known form of the infestation, though most likely still not the original

[fast dew]

Aggressive ones are techrot, grey, and whatever the one Salad v had

[tall echo]

Mutalist

[drowsy saddle]

That fungus you scraped off the toilet floor back in '87? That was the infestation

[sly swan]

is the techrot the oldest in the timeline like year? or is the oldest by like history of the strain wise

[azure jasper]

Part of me wants to know how the Infestation started pre-Techrot. Another part of me thinks that mystery is better left unsolved.

[fast dew]

The shrooms on Venus also might be tangently related to the infestation too

[tall echo]

Yes

[fast dew]

Oldest weve seen, yeah.

[sly swan]

that doesnt answer which

[tall echo]

[|87

[drowsy saddle]

Is that the bite of 87?

[tall echo]

Correct

[fast dew]

The infestation is old, older than what weve seen

[unique aspen]

History of strain

[sly swan]

thank you

[fast dew]

Notably it wasnt much of a thing in xx99, which we think is 1899

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder if the infestation bootstrap paradox'ed itself

[tall echo]

And year

[unique aspen]

The Devil's Triad were farther back in general timeline & also got serums, so they're earlier in chronology but a modern strain.

[tall echo]

Replying "yes" to an "a or b" question generally means both

[sly swan]

thats why i asked my question. if the techrot is the "oldest" did albrechts time shenanigans led to its discovering in the orokin age

[fast dew]

Unlikely

[tall echo]

Oldest we've seen

[fast dew]

It was majorly contained in the loop, and anything that escaped wouldve been nuked to death

[tall echo]

Don't take my words out of context

[drowsy saddle]

Until the infested cockroach survived the nuke

[unique aspen]

Infested Nokia phone...

[sly swan]

that would be funny and disappointing

[tall echo]

Roathe wasn't in 1999 tho

[unique aspen]

Nokkia

[fast dew]

Albrecht has a few nokias

Not one that wouldve been released in 1999

[drowsy saddle]

Nokia throwing knife skin when

[sly swan]

so the techrot was in 1999 before albrecht came there right?

[unique aspen]

Yup

[fast dew]

No clue why this man needs multiple of the same items, but im blaming it on neurodivergence

[azure jasper]

Clearly the answer is that a cockroach got Infested and then subsumed a Nokia phone after surviving the nukes /s

[drowsy saddle]

Keep 1, break 1

[sly swan]

was albrecht and the sequence part of the time loop being made or was it there to begin with?