lore-discussion

[restive river]

The amalgam weapons may have the issue of not being sentient enough but
Eh
Any fragment piece should work

Though I could see the hivemind needs to be active and interacting with the fragment for the xenoflora to take

I wonder what it feels like from a whole sentient’s perspective actually, if it’s painful to them is it ethical to allow more individuals to be made via xenoflora?

[dark compass]

Ok Ducky if you are ok to be referred to as Ducky

[restive river]

Ye Ducky is fine

[dark compass]

Look, there's a much better reason to not make the ocucor and battacor the same weapons

Because we don't need a new, stronger, sentient surge compatible ocucor

[restive river]

LOL

[drowsy saddle]

The sentient adversary system, we rip out the flowers from their heads to shove into our weapons

[restive river]

ok but personalized archons for adversaries would go insane

[dark compass]

You get flowers as the adversary resource, and trade it to "awaken" the pieces

[restive river]

I’m not sure what would be the best way to do personalized archons as punishing the player by taking away their frame, even temporarily just
Is not fun

Maybe the answer is not archons and your idea of an adversary connecting to xenoflora lol

[dark compass]

Wouldn't go as far as archons. There are lots of Sentients. You just tried to kill one and it adapted to your progenitor element. Simple as that could easily work in my opinion

It has adapted to you and now wants to kill you

[ocean geyser]

I feel like there would be a moral dilemma for this 😭
Unless the adversary sentients are assholes

[dark compass]

Dual Coda Torxica is 100% a legally distinct dual toxocyst. Ocucor and Battacor would be the same

[ocean geyser]

Imagine Adversary Nataruk 💀

[dark compass]

Like instead of just being a forward beam with stacking latch beams, legally distinct ocucor would just be a latching bunch of beams

[ocean geyser]

Like secondary vermisplicer?

[dark compass]

Nah imagine if there was no main ocucor beam or kill stacking

And instead you only had side beams that deal all the damage

[ocean geyser]

secondary vermisplicer has no main beam

[dark compass]

Oh neat

[ocean geyser]

It’s just several beams that autotarget enemies

[dark compass]

I just checked

Yeah exactly like secondary vermisplicer!

But with ocucor styled beams visually

There's already Klebrik Scaffold on amps, it works like that

And uses mostly same visuals

[dark compass]

Ahem ahem

Zanuka

[normal mountain]

Here's an idea
They just copy your frame, minus the helmet
Lore-wise, the Sentient could swipe a sample of your frame through the Parazon and grow a clone to use as a body

[dark compass]

Oh that's amazing

Every other lich takes your head for reference

And this one would copy your body, lmao

[normal mountain]

Exactly!

[dark compass]

And it wouldn't need "random" archons

Just attaching one to a progenitor element

[ocean geyser]

Murmur adversary that just copies your fingers

[restive river]

But she dont got the cool sentient animal head ):

[restive river]

Yeah that’s exactly what I was thinking when concepting the idea

[normal mountain]

Hmm
Maybe there could be 2-3 different heads per element, to have some sort of randomness to it
Liches and Sisters have quite a bit of variety, I think it would be a disservice to only have one head per element

[restive river]

I was going through a few ideas for future liches

[dark compass]

Have you seen coda liches...

Having one archon per progenitor would already be more than what coda have

[normal mountain]

They get a pass, sort of
For their crazy random name generator

[dark compass]

The generator was so crazy they had to remove some bits in upcoming updates 😭

[normal mountain]

True
But it's still pretty crazy

[restive river]

My favorite is still Void Angel adversaries, we uncover there’s some way to restore them and that’s what it’s all about
Maybe so we can try and look for our birth parents, maybe we get a hint that one of the angels is them but they get away
Or maybe we partially save one
I just like the idea of finding a way to save some of the angels, to share our light so they need not feed from Wally’s

[normal mountain]

I love that idea!

[restive river]

I do think we should never directly see our parents or if we do we get to character customize them by helping them to be less of an Angel and more of whatever we call the Holdfasts, ghosts? Ig?

[normal mountain]

except for the potential that some people may expect the weapons to be also innate Incarnon...

[restive river]

I think maybe just some new incarnons would be good lol
Maaybe some new innate ones

More Zariman style weapons

[dark compass]

I joined when it just came out, and once playing in pubs saw someone with Packet named BouncyCougars_TM

[restive river]

Imagine like
A beam weapon that was used for cleaning and the void twists it into. Idk a bazooka lmao
Cleans up messes to causes even bigger ones

[normal mountain]

I had one like that
UpWithBabe_Worm

[restive river]

I have like
IWantItBadWorm or something lmao

Like bro is freakier than the protos

[dark compass]

Techrot brainrot

[normal mountain]

One of the updates changed it to UpWith_Bagel_Worm
not sure that's better, DE...

[normal mountain]

Yes
But having them also be Adversary weapons would break one of the rules they have
Incarnon and Adversary are mutually exclusive

I'm not opposed to new Incarnons
Or Void-inspired Adversary weapons
But they should not be one and the same

[restive river]

Ooooo true
They can always break their own rules but I gotta agree that maybe the weapons they give aren’t incarnons

Maybe there could be a special incarnon adapter you can get but the weapons themsevles don’t have incarnons

[normal mountain]

Or maybe they could have Incarnon-like transformations
But no evolution stage bonuses

[restive river]

Oooh
What if the Angel Adversaries are wielding Wally Murmur weapons!
A hammer made of arms and teeth
A gun that shoots lidless eyes
The tickle fists

They are part of his army supposedly so this would further cement that

[humble sierra]

Something like the new Tonfas and the Vinqibus that have some different stats depending on what you're doing

[restive river]

Wally’s strongest warriors

[normal mountain]

Hmm
And maybe they could be permanently available without charge up too...

[restive river]

Oh so like just
Form changes on the go?

[normal mountain]

Yeah
They don't evolve, but they can transform anytime

[restive river]

Actually it would be cool if it was a bunch of weapons that all took up two slots like Vinquibus in different ways

I’d def wanna see some Murmur inspired weapons

It is
A crime we don’t have any, idek if there’s any tennogen ideas for them

[normal mountain]

Sort of, but not quite what I was thinking
For primary weapons, the Ambassador would be close enough

[restive river]

Ah Ambassador
What
Do you even do lmao

[normal mountain]

It's an automatic rifle
That changes to charge-fire exploding rounds

Hmm
Zenith and Fulmin also kinda fit the bill of what I was thinking

But the changes could be even more dramatic

[dark compass]

Normal - auto hitscan laser rifle
Pressing alt fire makes you snap it in half with a mechanism and it turns into a semi auto rifle with explosive projectiles

Ambassador is also evil

[ocean geyser]

the sentient part of this adversary conversation has me wondering
would each weapon have it's own distinct set of personalities or would all of them collectively draw from a group or personalites?

[normal mountain]

Sadly true

[dark compass]

Not a scam, it's evil

For one simple reason

[ocean geyser]

how evil is the ambassador...

[restive river]

I think War would actually be a pacifist, something akin to Baruuk

[dark compass]

It has a tenet... Skin

[ocean geyser]

NO WAY??

THEY GAVE THIS THING A SKIN AND NOT A VERSION?

[restive river]

Bro wishes he could be held by a Sister

[ocean geyser]

im going to eat DE

[normal mountain]

-# ...phrasing, please

[restive river]

Ambassador being a scam is very accurate if you think about it
It’s a Corpus weapon lmao

[ocean geyser]

Reaper's Lament level of funny moment

[restive river]

It’s just a hug dw, nothing weird

[ocean geyser]

Basmu should talk like a vampire

[normal mountain]

I still reel from the various step-Tenno jokes I run into on here

[restive river]

“Bleh bleh I’m shockingly good now”

[ocean geyser]

LMAO

[restive river]

Oh ):

The amount of people who like Lotus a lil too much makes me sad

[dark compass]

Margulis skin check

[restive river]

LMAO real

[normal mountain]

Don't have it

[restive river]

Xaku skin best skin

[ocean geyser]

hm
would amps get xenoflora'd since they're made of sentient parts...?
actually yeah that'd be cool i think

would we benefit from cooler amp parts

[restive river]

Idk if there’s even enough left to eat a flower but I’ll try to feed my amp it anyway

[ocean geyser]

or are amps just disgustingly busted

[dark compass]

They are not that strong

They're good though

[restive river]

Amps are a lot better now afaik

[dark compass]

Properly modded, with Little Duck arcanes and Madurai they're very strong now though

[restive river]

I found a setup that makes the funny frisbee do some work

[dark compass]

More like "you can invest to make up for the madurai power gap"

[restive river]

Little Duck supremacy

[dark compass]

And with madurai becomes a serious gun

[restive river]

Melt is
So good

Also the efficiency one
And yeah Madurai is the win button lol

If you wanna live forever
Unlock Last Gasp waybound
Play Madurai
Profit

[normal mountain]

Lol
When I used Madurai, I always ended up dying 3 seconds after I use Void Fuel

[restive river]

I’m really hopeful that if we get 4th abilities for the schools they’ll be something relating to voidtongue

[ocean geyser]

this has the opportunity to have something be really in-depth but idk if DE would ever have the time or people to give us so many talking weapons

we should all go and work for DE to make this a reality

[restive river]

I love the use of the requiems in the ARG, Ris being used to tell us to make an image brighter or darker iirc
Imagine if we could utilize them in game or with other requiems!

[restive river]

Wait but talking weapons feels like a somewhat logical leap from Protoframes…

[normal mountain]

heck, I'd be happy with an unpaid internship if I could lend a hand towards that project

[restive river]

I’d be happy just helping them out at all

[ocean geyser]

real and true

[ocean geyser]

Stalker spamming

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/shocked-surprised-gasp-what-cat-shock-gif-635629308990545194

Void flashbang?

[ocean geyser]

void's the closest thing we have to the opposite of Ris unfortunately

so yk

[normal mountain]

Iirc, there's a Voidtongue prefix that's used in negation

[ocean geyser]

woah?

[normal mountain]

Ka-

[ocean geyser]

ohh

yeah i wasn't sure how verifiable that was

that's why Ka-Ris exists i suppose

[restive river]

Darkness!

[ocean geyser]

in dominion of dust's lyrics iirc

[normal mountain]

No Parents!

[restive river]

KaLohk would be the world of dust iirc

[normal mountain]

yes, I had to make that joke

[restive river]

What would KaKhra even be actually
Ig just
Untime? Idk

[fast dew]

I mean, that could work

[normal mountain]

Probably

[restive river]

If Ka is negation and not just the opposite then it wouldn’t be space

[restive river]

Wait but isnt this correct??

[normal mountain]

I mean, that's how I interpreted it

[restive river]

We need to sit down Wally and ask him how his language works

[fast dew]

We could ask Albrecht, he might know

[restive river]

So maybe KaKhra could be interpreted as space?

[normal mountain]

Watch him be like:
"It works how I want it to, Kiddo."

[restive river]

So spacetime is
KaKhraKhra?

[restive river]

Yeah no fair actually

Bro did maybe invent it so

[dark compass]

Mf just goes full on hand signs from Naruto

[fast dew]

I like to imagine its Albrecht in a little dungeon doing the lyrics on bandcamp and shit

[dark compass]

Then looks at a dingy dirty on-lyne poster on the wall and mutters to himself

"... One day"

[restive river]

What’s that supposed to mean-

[fast dew]

I need to count how many onlyne things he has in the backrooms bcs theres a huge amount and its so odd

[dark compass]

^

He's a fan

[normal mountain]

Lol
Imagine if Albrecht is working on a Voidtongue translation for Party of Your Lifetime
To play in the Void

[fast dew]

Hes either a fan or just really likes collecting things

[dark compass]

He gave Lyon a listen

He's obviously a fan

[restive river]

I do love that he’s a fan of them

[ashen pulsar]

lyon does not appreciate his tastes, clearly

[fast dew]

Maybe thats why we got the second song from the ARG

[restive river]

I kinda hope that whenever we return to 1999 it’s to save the On-Lyne boys
Which
Tbh
They feel like really obvious potential protos!

[fast dew]

Albrecht's apology for. Whatever the hell the arg was

[restive river]

Would Aoi be upset? Yes
But c’mooon

[restive river]

Not even sure he was actually part of that lol

[fast dew]

Dying on the hill that the next proto is loid

[fast dew]

I think he was initially, but Wally hijacked it

[restive river]

Like the ARG seemed to more so be about Wally tricking us and gaining access to Russalka and thus 1999

[ashen pulsar]

imagine someone asks you about your taste in music and you have to explain how it went extinct thousands of yrs ago

[restive river]

Def was not him on the phone

[fast dew]

But it definitely was him with the notes on the site

[restive river]

Do you think it was like classical music to him

[restive river]

Oh for sure!

[fast dew]

Theres traces of both him and wally, and it makes it hard to tell when exactly it shifted

[ashen pulsar]

lmao
“i need to preserve this disc for… historical purposes”

[fast dew]

Alternatively, the evil option was that Albrecht wanted wally in 1999... for some reason

Like whatever roathe suggests

[restive river]

Doesn’t help we were under the impression it was him til the last moment

[fast dew]

-# which i personally find dumb

[normal mountain]

Roathe can take his perspective on that and shove in an orifice of his choice

[ashen pulsar]

classical music definitely isn’t extinct though, that sounds like perfectly the kind of haughty shit the Orokin would love

[restive river]

Isn’t the suggestion that Albrecht is trying to narrow down who Wally can be likely to trap him which would align with what happened with Neci and possibly what’s being set up with the eternal transference radiation?

Like I do think its a dumb plan to try and just do
Rell
Again
But it is a plan ig

[fast dew]

Like as much as Roathe knows, Albrecht intentionally bringing her to 1999 kinda defeats the purpose of going to 1999 😭

... called wally a her

She/hering out here

[dark compass]

He was sure on his way to self discovery back there

These things only appear in isleweaver

[restive river]

Neci

[restive river]

Prob Neci’s influence

[normal mountain]

And I have their codex entry complete, courtesy of my Dante

[fast dew]

Dear lord

[normal mountain]

[restive river]

Anything cool?

[fast dew]

Ugly little things.

[normal mountain]

Don't remember, actually

[fast dew]

I hope they die.

[restive river]

I need more murmur body horror

A mass of fingers in the shape of something
Eyes where they shouldn’t be
Teeth in odd spots
All of it trying to be human in some way but missing the mark either just enough or way off to the point it’s just disturbing

[fast dew]

God I wish it would

ACTUALLY

[restive river]

I’m hoping the void arc isn’t just done in one more quest tbh
Or if it is it’s done spectacularly

[fast dew]

No bcs there was roathe fanart

[restive river]

:?

[fast dew]

Hold on

[ocean geyser]

bro has the elite knowledge

[dark compass]

I feel like if Tau kicks anything off, it would be just some sort of prelude

At least we have to learn what Albrecht has there

[fast dew]

Yeah

[dark compass]

Some "we are in the endgame now" type shit

[ocean geyser]

god my brain's still stuck brainstorming the personalities that Xenoflora weapons would have

best i can work with (gonna draw on some other people's suggestons too)

War: Some pacifist monk type shi. Like Baruuk
Broken War: Erratic and aggressive
Basmu: Vampire

not sure about everything else

and the amps would currently be too complicated for me to think of atm

[fast dew]

Albrecht's gonna meet us before we leave to tau, or right when we get there, I feel

Also if we go one more update w out visually seeing Albrecht i might explode

We didnt get him at all like. All of last year I dont think

[restive river]

Ok idk how to even explain how this thought came to me
But Shedu, specifically hates Pazuul and Erra

[fast dew]

For an arc so heavily based on him you sure don't see the bastard

[wind ruin]

Roathe calls Voidtongue 'the childish language Albrecht made up.'

[restive river]

It might literally be cause we got Erra and Shedu in the same update-

[ocean geyser]

I accept this idea

[fast dew]

Has he heard the murmur

Is he, perhaps, deaf?

[restive river]

He fights Murmur

[ocean geyser]

Roathe when he gets hit with the mf VOULL NE XATA VOK, MARA LOHK?"

[wind ruin]

Which, if he's correct about the Indifference being a conceptual embodiment... might mean Albrecht is indeed the creator of the language.

[ocean geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/worried-scared-oh-no-stop-it-fearful-gif-12534009

[restive river]

Roathe’s got an issue with Wally

[restive river]

In a roundabout way, sure
That’s like saying if a Duvirian made their own language then Drifter is responsible for that

[fast dew]

Yk that murmur enemy that spits shit? Roathe is gonna get an eyeful of whatever shit it throws out

[restive river]

Good, deserved

[ocean geyser]

is it the one with the literal mouth

[fast dew]

.. theres multiple

[ocean geyser]

word?

[fast dew]

I was meaning the one you find in the labs, the uhm. Triangles. Multiple triangles.

Not the

[restive river]

Oh that one

[fast dew]

Not the one with hands

[restive river]

Yeah that has mouths

[ocean geyser]

ah the Anatomizer

[fast dew]

YE

[ocean geyser]

i never saw any mouths

[fast dew]

It still throws and or spits shit!

[restive river]

I’m thinking the lip one might actually just be cause of Neci then omg

[fast dew]

Especially when it dies!

[fast dew]

IT HAS HANDS???

[ocean geyser]

yeah bro

[fast dew]

Sorry I. Don't like looking at the murmur

[dark compass]

They're all hands and feet

[restive river]

They all got hands or legs iirc

[fast dew]

General shapes and thats it

[restive river]

I love the Murmur

[ocean geyser]

live reaction to body horror

[restive river]

More body horror pls

[dark compass]

They have faces too

[ocean geyser]

duality of man type shit

[dark compass]

You can see that each smaller segment on the outside has a grinning skull

[restive river]

I either never realized it or forgot but
Technically all the Warframes are body horror, they don’t wear clothes the “clothes” are skin

At least for many of them
Skins kinda do their own thing sometimes lol

[narrow pendant]

faces too

[dark compass]

I just said it...

[narrow pendant]

:3

[ocean geyser]

i cant even see tha

[dark compass]

:(

I am going to cry

[fast dew]

No its weird bcs i generally like body horror I just. Dont like the way they move

[dark compass]

Are you happy

[restive river]

I need more Murmur

[ocean geyser]

to be fair i would expect something that is just
arm
and sometimes leg
to move like that

[restive river]

I would kill for a Murmur skin or a Murmur frame we CE up (accidentally ofc)

[narrow pendant]

this fella putting his face everywhere

[fast dew]

Murmur skin for Qorvex..

[ocean geyser]

OH NO WAY??

[restive river]

Why Qorvex
Xaku is right there

[narrow pendant]

that one big lipped murmur is a rusalka original i bet which is why its only in the triumph of dust

[ocean geyser]

xaku isn't very murmurish

[fast dew]

Xaku already got banger skin, we got nothing for Qorvex

[ocean geyser]

xaku kind of exists because the void naturally quished them together

[restive river]

My baby is just bones, don’t let them starve

[fast dew]

Wally being influenced by her is funny to me

[dark compass]

Qorvex gets a prime at the beginning of the next year.

[restive river]

Very likely due to conceptual embodiment

[narrow pendant]

better get a skin until then..

[ocean geyser]

neci's first construct just being big mf lips is funny as hell to me

[fast dew]

Oh yeah when will Jade prime exist actually

[restive river]

The Lost were lost
They felt lost
Perhaps lonely
The void took those emotions and boom
Xaku

Ofc this is a theory but with how we know the void works something like it would make sense

[dark compass]

Relatable, Xaku, relatable

[ocean geyser]

oh they have wings

[fast dew]

I wonder what a jade prime would look like.... her design is already peak

[ocean geyser]

she already looks very primish tbh

[fast dew]

Please dont do what they did to gyre, to jade, DE please

[dark compass]

The teeth gap

[narrow pendant]

koumei deluxe/prime will so absolutely lean even more into duvuri's artstyle

[ocean geyser]

why koumei

[restive river]

Gyre was done so dirty

Voruna too
Like
Why ):

Voruna Prime soon pls
Oh and Voruna Deluxe 2 in 2030 (year of the dog)

Idk when Gyre will get anything again

[dark compass]

She's this year

[ocean geyser]

am i the only one that doesnt mind gyre
What's the issue lol
she looks like an ayatan sculpture

[dark compass]

Second in line

[restive river]

GOOD
Oh dang my partner is gonna be out a lot of money then lmao

[dark compass]

First Styanax though

[narrow pendant]

koumei is the closest we got to a duvuri frame and her being a literal doll is the only thing that her base version somewhat ties her to it. lorewise prime wouldnt make much sense but deluxe skin for sure

[dark compass]

Then Voruna

Kullervo and Citrine also join this year, there will be so much more of them in-game

[restive river]

She looks like a christmas tree
They didn’t change enough really compared to newer primes
Iirc there’s issues with her armor and accessories
And Alternox didn’t even get a buff

[fast dew]

Citrine prime.....

[restive river]

I know someone who’s a huge Gyre fan and she’s not happy ):

[restive river]

Any estimate perchance?

[ocean geyser]

i love how we're just going to get more and more primes that'll ragebait Ballas just by existing
and it KEEPS HAPPENING

[dark compass]

Wdym?

[restive river]

For Voruna Prime
Any estimation on when she may be out?

[dark compass]

We get 4 primes per year, currently the pattern is M->F->M->F

If it stays the same then

This year: Styanax, Voruna, Kullervo, Citrine
Next year: Qorvex, Dagath, Dante, Jade

[ocean geyser]

List of frames that have and will eventually do this
Revenant
Yareli
Kullervo
Temple
Cyte, possibly
Maybe Uriel idk yet
Jade
Stalker will probably never get primed but this would be hilarious too

[restive river]

I’d like to think he’d dislike Xaku too

[ocean geyser]

did xaku even get a prime trailer

[restive river]

No evidence but it’s the void twisting his ideas

[dark compass]

Probably closer to halfway through the year

[fast dew]

Qorvex prime better explain Qorvex's existence better so I can tell people Albrecht designed him, not made him

[restive river]

No 😔

[ocean geyser]

did SEVAGOTH even get a trailer??

[restive river]

1999 took precedent which
Fair, they cooked

[restive river]

Nope

[ocean geyser]

mannnnnnn

[restive river]

Thank you

I know we won’t know exacts but I know there’s a pattern

[narrow pendant]

stalker getting primed for being a good father and looking past his hate in 5 bazillion years

[ashen pulsar]

how many primes generally get released each year?

[restive river]

Like
4?

[fast dew]

Mm, like. 3 to 4

[dark compass]

Then it's Koumei, Cyte, Oraxia/Temple? Idk where Temple would go.

[fast dew]

... hm

Good question

[restive river]

Where did Xaku go?

[fast dew]

Bcs either option is not the best

[ocean geyser]

xaku was in the male timeslot irrc

[wind ruin]

Thought it was M M F F with a subsorting of release order.

[dark compass]

Xaku was put to female timeslot

[ocean geyser]

really?

[ocean geyser]

they've shifted to M F M F

[dark compass]

Changed with Gauss

[restive river]

Unrelated fun fact
Xaku was initially concepted to be a female frame, at least what I found from research

[drowsy saddle]

Why does it look like the AK12 concept

[fast dew]

Putting Temple in the male slot would be bad, putting them in the female slot is also bad... they are distinctively more masculine though

[restive river]

So Nonbinary can just fit into either, most likely anyway

[narrow pendant]

nb is just joker slot overriding the pattern

[restive river]

Lizzie?

[drowsy saddle]

Reminds me of Caravan

[fast dew]

if Lizzie is the determining factor id actually buy the whole prime pack

Funniest shit ever

[restive river]

Imagine if its just all Lizzie themed

Omg we’re gonna have a playable prime Lizzie….

[fast dew]

Lizzie prime >:3

-# ... and temple

[ocean geyser]

it definitely should
she should interrupt the prime trailer
or maybe narrate the whole thing

[dark compass]

Prime access selling Lizzie Prime somachord...

[ocean geyser]

however i still wanna have ballas crashout so
interruption shall do

[fast dew]

We may be cooking

[restive river]

Ballas talking about how scared he is and then he just gets interrupted for the bit

[drowsy saddle]

Interrupt ballas to play freebird

[fast dew]

Ballas crashing out on Albrecht or some shit. Wonder if ballas knew that Albrecht stole shit from him

[restive river]

“I made this scary design and now i dont wanna make it cause it might rebel and be mea—“ Lizzie rock solo

[dark compass]

Freebird slowdown of Lizzie burning down prime grineer

[fast dew]

I feel like he'd eventually realise

[dark compass]

And Albrecht just deflects it with his apparent love for music

[restive river]

I think if they get a trailer it’d be Ballas talking about how afraid he is of rebellion

[fast dew]

Ykwhat you have a point Albrecht kinda does like music

[ocean geyser]

ballas would hide his fear behind crashing out

[restive river]

It just reiterates what we get from the good ending though so maybe not?

[fast dew]

I hope so, let him get interrupted

[drowsy saddle]

freebird plays while Temple Prime rides the asteroid into Pluto

[loud oriole]

-# -Lizzie randomly starts playing every note of TTFATF loudly, as Ballas is taking his Orokin voice note-

[dark compass]

"flames of rebellion, burning uncontrollably"

"they will spell the end of us all"

[ocean geyser]

Octavia temporarily pausing her anthem to figure out what the hell is going on

she and Temple would be jamming tho fr fr

[restive river]

To add to this

[ocean geyser]

why the hell concept xaku kinda..

[drowsy saddle]

Would be neat skin

Xaku but the gender keeps changing

[restive river]

Made to be nonbinary ofc but it would beee

[loud oriole]

we have yareli and nokko idle animation, we need an octavia and temple idle

[dark compass]

I like my nonbinary monarch xaku

[drowsy saddle]

Xaku but a different warframe gets to be the main body

[restive river]

Xaku should stay genderless

[fast dew]

If it pisses those people off as well, even better

[restive river]

It’s best if the Lost are kept lost tbh

[dark compass]

Oh wait, isn't devstream tomorrow?

They'll. Show a new warframe

[ocean geyser]

why am i still hyperfocused on the xenoflora sentient weapons
Like im so deadass im tweaking out just thinking about it

[drowsy saddle]

Its already Friday for me

DE where devstream

[fast dew]

Vauban heirloom...

[dark compass]

Oh yeah same

[ocean geyser]

i want to RANT BUT ALL MY FRIENDS ARE BUSY OR NOT FAR ENOUGH IN THE GAME

[restive river]

They/them cause a pile of bones
But also They/Them cause nonbinary

Or maybe they’re genderfluid
Or gender apathetic
Or just nonbinary

[dark compass]

Vauban heirloom, next update, new adversary weapons, new warframe

Very hyped

[restive river]

Wall running

Pls

[dark compass]

They said nothing about wallrunning but mentioned some minor bad news

So I fear...

[restive river]

Oh

[fast dew]

No :(

[restive river]

No wall running

[fast dew]

Gender? where? I aint seeing no gender

[dark compass]

Hoping that the echoes update(if that's what it is) will go to the triad

[restive river]

I fear it may be a spaghetti code problem

[fast dew]

Loid chats loid chats loid chats

Please god add more Loid chats

[restive river]

All I see is that which has mastered the void :)

[dark compass]

Inb4 the new warframe also comes with a proto

[fast dew]

Loid proto-

Sorry brainrot.

The rotting.......

[dark compass]

Another xx99 proto?

Probably, if that happens

[restive river]

Only acceptable if they fix the “consent” system

[fast dew]

God what a mess

[loud oriole]

necramech proto

[dark compass]

If it's an echoes update, then it's definitely gonna be a warframe that already comes with a proto

[fast dew]

Techrot necramech....

[restive river]

So just like
A guy in a necramech

[dark compass]

We still have 4 necramech slots

[restive river]

Techrot nidus

[dark compass]

And only 2 mechs

[restive river]

We know we aren’t getting any new ones

I wanna say they said no more in an interview

Hopefully old and outdated info by now

[dark compass]

I wonder what could possibly fit xx99 as a new warframe theme wise.

[restive river]

Railjack is this year so you never know

[fast dew]

I hope its gonna be like. 2 protos. Maybe 3 but 3 feels a little overwhelming

[dark compass]

2 maybe

[restive river]

Chroma

Mirage

[dark compass]

No I mean that

They said they'll show a new warframe and the next update

[restive river]

Oh sorry

[fast dew]

I still think Loid's gonna get infested and is gonna proto himself

[restive river]

Maybe a new Albrecht original?

Or a perita frame?

[dark compass]

And if it's an echoes for triad, then itll 100% come with a proto

Or maybe more than one proto

[loud oriole]

i was going to send a gif of the Loader from the alien series, but i guess there was a word in the giphy link that wasn't allowed

[dark compass]

Oh I know

Holier than thou Oberon paladin

[restive river]

And Titania?

[dark compass]

Yes

Maybe

Two flying female warframes in one "batch"?

What was Albrecht thinking

[restive river]

Does bro ever think

What even is his plan!

[dark compass]

But I'm like 99,99% sure the new original will come with a xx99 proto

And maybe female/nb

Since last two were Nokko and Uriel..

[restive river]

I think an xx99 specific frame would prob fit more but I would like to see more on the Perita side

[fast dew]

-# loid proto is gonna happen

[restive river]

I do kind of expect new Perita tasks
New Descendia gamemodes and modifiers
But it will depend on how much they had already ig

[dark compass]

Infinite Perita would rock

[restive river]

It would be amazing ngl

[fast dew]

Survival Perita...

[restive river]

Also more Perita captura pls

[dark compass]

Is the egg arena a scene?

[restive river]

Yes

[dark compass]

Oh, good

[restive river]

I glitched out the map with the camera and
Omg
They are actually way bigger than you’d think

It makes sense but omg

[narrow pendant]

i maxed my mechs for nothing for now 😭

hoped they would have a larger presence

[wind ruin]

The Necramechs were inferior in combat vs. sentients to the Warframes, which is why they're not in Perita Rebellion. They were better than nothing, but once Warframes came along, Necramechs were obsolete.

[narrow pendant]

i ment descendia

they had a necramech vs necramech stage in the last devstream, and we havnt gotten even just one yet

[wind ruin]

Descendia is literally diving mentally into Roathe's mind. I suppose if there were necramech arena battles that he attended, along with the way those memories are interpreted by the Drifter, such a level could happen.

[narrow pendant]

the dialogue for the stage was roathe explaining what you just did

used in the early stages of the old war

[wind ruin]

Missed the stream where they showed it off, so it's probably coming.

[ocean geyser]

Live Arquebex reaction:

[wind ruin]

Hey, when they're being piloted by Tenno, those necramechs become a lot more effective.

[ocean geyser]

yeah fair

i know i'm unusually stuck on the idea of Xenoflora'd Sentient weapons but
I guess i have my new hyperfixiation now
My new question is: How would their names work?

[loud oriole]

good question

[ocean geyser]

it's hard to explain given how different the names of Sentients are

Adis
Natah
Erra
Hunhow
Itzam
Amar
Nira
Boreal
and the Conculyst Adis heals, Zin-Osku

[lean garden]

you see, aside from Iztam and Zin-Osku, (and Adis depending on who you ask) the rest should be seen as primary sentients

[waxen mesa]

I think it'd be better to compare purpose then sentient

Amar, Nira, and Boreal are the whatevers aren't they?

[ocean geyser]

they were definitely their own fellas before becoming whatevers though

[waxen mesa]

whatever =/= archon

its a different word im looking for. All three had the same 'job'

[ocean geyser]

even then
if you narrow it down between main sentients and fragments
that just means the two groups have different naming conventions
the problem is we have no idea what they are

unless we look to tauron strike mod names alongside their language

since usually it's a set of two words seperated by a dash

[lean garden]

I mean

its not so peculiar

even within a homogenous society folks have widely varying names

[waxen mesa]

i found it

Peacekeeper

[sterile spear]

Do you think at some point Karrish ate human?

[waxen mesa]

probably

[ocean geyser]

probably

i wouldn't be surprised

[lean garden]

Probably easier imagining what he didnt eat

[waxen mesa]

Excessive gluttony is usually coupled with cannibalism

[ocean geyser]

infested flesh

...hopefully

[sterile spear]

he probably ate one before swapping body.

[ocean geyser]

😭
bro had an emergency Yuvan on hand

[loud oriole]

it was his form of an emergency snickers bar

[drowsy saddle]

She could just... Ask loid

[ocean geyser]

final xenoflora sentient weapons idea
would
each component of an amp talk?
or would only a completed amp talk?

if an amp would even be compatible with Xenoflora

[waxen mesa]

it'd be cool if we got talking weapons

I'd say if we're talking Sentient amps it'd be a good fit for a Tau adversary system

only instead of your choices being kill or recruit. it's turn into an amp or recruit

[gentle isle]

Monkey's paw curls

https://tenor.com/view/lezduit-letsdoit-lessdoit-highonlife-gif-27282322

[waxen mesa]

you can't use that against me becuase i liked the dialogue in that game

[gentle isle]

Lol

[ocean geyser]

That’s true….
But I also desire all the other sentient weapons gaining the ability to talk
But would making everything talk get too bloated??

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/cyberpunk2077-skippy-pleased-happy-gif-26832564

monkeys paw curls another finger

[waxen mesa]

this line is surely not accurate anymore

[proper barn]

Why not?

Corpus will sell to anyone.

[waxen mesa]

They are hardly secretive and i wouldn't say the corpus work with the grineer

more like they rule half the solar system and are at war with the grineer

[gentle isle]

Allegiances change at the drop of a hat in the origin system tbf

[drowsy saddle]

In terms of file size? Probably just 3 or 4 voice packs?

[ocean geyser]

In terms of Things In the Game

[drowsy saddle]

Just restricted to a set of weapons?

Or just a sugutra you can stick on your melees

Or sentinels

[ocean geyser]

Maybe that could be considered later

But I wonder if xenoflora variants of Amps would simply be too overwhelming for a person

The Warframe grind expands infinitely
And that wears a person out eventually

[tall echo]

They canonically sell a ton of supplies to the grineer

[waxen mesa]

I do not deny that but that's not what the dialogue says

It says "working with"

That implies more then just trade

[west oasis]

Yeah this is really really old

[blissful merlin]

I’m about to fall asleep before surgery. What’s your guys fav story/lore moment of all time

I only ask before I drift into the unknown and it’d be fun to live through the experiences of your guys story. I’m very nervous and just need a distraction

[fast dew]

Uhm as the mandatory loid enjoyer, Loid getting too high from nestawood and greening out

[hazy prism]

(the warframe) Rhino Prime canonically ate a person
The Sergeant Boss used to be named "Sergeant Nef Anyo" (no relation to current modern day Nef Anyo)

[blissful merlin]

That’s a whole mood Loid. I get it.

[tall echo]

Parvos absolutely roasing the muck out of his son

[hazy prism]

Was Ordis always our Operator's cephalon? like during the old war?

[blissful merlin]

Maybe tmi for lore chat BUTTT yea, They’re removing the ovaries apart of me and I’m lowkey sad. I think it’s the meds as I drift off….but I lowkey liked having both male part and female party. Butttttt according to the doc it’s incredibly risky to keep and I could get cancer from keeping them. I’ll miss being a “hybrid” lmao

[fast dew]

Idk if to say pog at getting the ovaries removed

[tall echo]

Presumably ever since he got glassed

[fast dew]

Bcs im lowkey jealous 💔

But yeah overall its risky

Have good hysterectomy brother
-# thats the right word for it yeah?

[blissful merlin]

Def pog since it’s avoiding any risk of cancer. While it was cool it was extremely bad for my health overall.

[hazy prism]

damn, so it's a nice happy accident that the first landcraft got shot down and we got reunited with our boy and BFF from the old war

[fast dew]

Obliterate the cancer balls, and lets hope you never have hormone issues again. I hope

[blissful merlin]

Ong I pray…

Being told that’s part of the reason I matured the way I did and why I’m so emotional sometimes….what a rush. And then being told “oh yea we’re removing that” was a shift lmao. Genuinely felt like ballas telling me I’m getting help but in the end it’s the helminth virus lmao. And then that being taken away….maybe the free will to choose. Oh Lordy I’m getting emotional I’ll stop now. It’s def the meds. Wish me luck yall I’m so nervous how this will turn out

[fast dew]

Hope it goes well broski, and i hope you feel better and not scream after waking up from anaesthetic like I do

[hazy prism]

wish you a quick and safe surgery, see you around bro

[blissful merlin]

My biggest fear tbh. But same.

[fast dew]

Dw the nurses are used to it

[blissful merlin]

Thank you so much🥺🥺

[hazy prism]

you can scream waking up from Anaesthetic?

[fast dew]

Yeah I once screamed that I killed my niece

She is very much alive

[hazy prism]

oh wow, i heard anaesthesia mumbles and rambling but that's a first

[blissful merlin]

I once woke up and immediately threw up on a nurse from the anxiety lol. I felt bad but it happened….

[fast dew]

I did that last time but when they're getting the tube out of my throat! I woke up a little too early

I barely remember it

Can't beat me biting a nurse when I was like. 10 tho

[tall echo]

I am suddenly slightly glad I've never needed anaesthesia so far

[fast dew]

Dw, you'll be fine

[tall echo]

Anyways, lore

[blissful merlin]

I’m in the hospital bed and just want my own bed. I’m about to pass out for surgery and it terrifies me. But like the focus on warframe lore is making it easier lol. I just told my mom “watch me get turned into an ultimate war machine” and she did not smile. I got a chuckle out of it lmao.

[fast dew]

Go put your phone in a safe space bcs you will drop it on your face, and like. Just accept the meds? Faster you do that the faster you go under and wake up

[blissful merlin]

I’ll be the first Excalibur

[blissful merlin]

This is true. I should def just put my phone down. But I’m just…idk trying to enjoy the chat before I am ultimately put asleep. Trying to make sure I dream of warframe in the end heheheheheheh

[fast dew]

Dw, pretend its just. Uhm. Becoming a solaris and getting cool new metal legs

[blissful merlin]

These meds are killer thou holy crapn

[tall echo]

The second dream

[fast dew]

Yeah that would be... probably morphine? Morphine... ketamine...

[blissful merlin]

I think the nurse said both of those…one of those….

I’m just sleepy and blehhhhh rn haha

[fast dew]

I hate IV drips, I always end up moving and bending the needle

[blissful merlin]

But the nurse said “DONT FALL ASLEEP”

Why did yall give me an ambien?! I’m so confused

[fast dew]

????

What does she want you to do 😭

[blissful merlin]

LITERALLY

Stay awake?! I CANT

[tall echo]

Sleep afall, clearly

[fast dew]

Screw her, go to sleep

They can wake you up if they want to

[hazy prism]

yeah go to sleep, worse she can do is just wake you up

[blissful merlin]

I’m seeing the walls move at this point. I need to shut my eyes. Surgery got pushed back another few hours AFTER THEY loaded me with meds. Welp…until I’m disturbed this is about to be a hell of a nap

[fast dew]

Oh wait maybe she wants the doctor to be there to intubate you

[fast dew]

Close yo eyes broski but first hand your phone to your parents 😭

You're gonna drop it and it will break

[blissful merlin]

THATS A GOOD IDEA LMAO

yo mom-

[fast dew]

Learned that the hard way w the operation w my Iud

[blissful merlin]

I’m so nervous of this surgery I’m scared to put my phone down lol

[humble sierra]

Just pretend you're an Orokin and you're getting Refacia'd

And also pretend the Tenno won't massacre you soon

[strange turtle]

Some guy confessed to a big series of crimes with such specific, concerning detail an actual investigation almost happened

He had been reading a book about a serial killer

[hazy prism]

on god, if i almost went to jail for info dumping on a book i read, i would be so pissed

[tacit carbon]

anesthetic does weird stuff man

[brittle siren]

Stupid question, is Ergo Glast a man or a woman

[strange turtle]

Man

[brittle siren]

at first I thought that is a expression word

[tall echo]

..really?

[brittle siren]

because there's a woman captain during RJ mission with almost the same tone

[pale cedar]

We don’t even have a name for who voices Ergo I’ve literally looked everywhere to see if he also has a credit for a RJ Captain

[woven trench]

Ya know more people would probably have a reason to max out the syndicates if they actually put effort into the cutscences

Like the Cavia rank up voice lines are SO good, but it's just a still screen. Like cmon DE, you ain't some indie devs no more. You got the budget to animate a handful on cutscences every few months or so.

[dawn shuttle]

I feel like the intersection of people who max out the syndicates for story reasons and those who need an animated cutscene for it to be worth it is very small

[strange turtle]

I mean
It’s not like our animated ones are that great either

[brittle siren]

atm there only 3 faction have a dedicated quest

[woven trench]

There are alot of things I like about warframe but it's recent handling of narrative is very disappointing

[dawn shuttle]

And like not to be a contrarian or anything, but i do like that the voice lines are the focus, and I think visually the cavia might be my favourite

[brittle siren]

uh sure, whatever you say

[woven trench]

Like the intense dialogues with the completely still image is really jaring to be

[dawn shuttle]

I don't know that having the cavia rank ups be animated would add anything, at least for me

[woven trench]

Well it'll add physical character interaction? Again it just suddenly cutting to a still image while their beefing out is kinda lazy in my eyes

[dawn shuttle]

The scenes are evocative, you get info on where it takes place, i'm sure your brain can conjure the scene itself

[woven trench]

Yeah that's fine but I'm playing a rpg game not a visual novel

[dawn shuttle]

Are you?

Can a game not do more than one thing stylistically?

[woven trench]

I come here to see on screen interactions
I know DE ain't the best with character animation at times but they certainly improved alot these past few years

[woven trench]

Stylistic?
Cutting to a still frame instead of a cutscence is stylistic?

[brittle siren]

then go and do it yourself, making a whole animation scene for EACH rank, for ALL faction is not easy

this is not GTA

[woven trench]

"Yappady yappady poo, I don't like people criticising my favourite game, so I'll pull the "do it yourself!" Card!"

[brittle siren]

sometime ppl like you are so ungrateful, the game is free

[woven trench]

A free game cannot have an ounce of critiscm?
That cho mindset?

[brittle siren]

criticism for what?

[dawn shuttle]

That's not my point, just that the game isn't, and shouldn't be, beholden to doing things in a specific way because "it's an RPG, not an [...]"

[brittle siren]

your "criticism" is complaining the game not doing the thing that you like

nothing sound critical from any of your point

[woven trench]

No, my "criticism" is DE still using cheap shots like this even though they are fully capable of doing more

[dawn shuttle]

it's framing a subjective issue as an objective one

[woven trench]

Ok fine maybe some people do like the still frame rank u screens
Idk "why" but opinions be opinions I guess?

[dawn shuttle]

the game would not be objectively better for it,

[brittle siren]

IF warframe does not make ANY cutscene and only do still image, yes you are right

but in this case you IGNORE everything else beside the Syndicate "cutscene". Remember the opening cutscene? Remember all real time convo in Old Peace or 1999? DE can't just pour all the effort to the content that will only appear once and not repeatable

[woven trench]

It won't, but I think it'll be nice

[woven trench]

Hm OK fair point

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah, but then that's ultimately creative differences, opinions on a work of art that was not made by you and not uniquely for you

[woven trench]

But I still think maybe abit more effort would be ideal
One cutscence every syndicate maybe?

[dawn shuttle]

But that's just an arbitrary metric

[strange turtle]

There’s also the issue of time

[pale cedar]

It’s not like they ignore cutscenes anyway they still had cutscenes with the quest

[dawn shuttle]

And it's both an extra workload on the team to animate, light, etc more cutscenes, which invariably takes dev time, and in cases like the cavia space for something evocative in other ways

[strange turtle]

You don’t just need resources/budget, you need people to actually work on it, and enough of them do it in enough time it’ll be ready for the update release, after the time taken for initial development and actually deciding what to do

[woven trench]

I think we've only got 1 cutscence quest for the whole year, which is Old Peace iirc

[narrow pendant]

technically also loid reunion

[strange turtle]

And then there’s the matter of actually implementing it and making sure there’s no bugs

[dawn shuttle]

Famously a cutscene-light quest

[woven trench]

Ok cmon he just stands there for most of it

[pale cedar]

Teacher as short as it was did come with a cutscene

[woven trench]

Yeah I admit the intro cutscence was great
Forgot about that quest

[woven trench]

And if were speaking about old peace
I feel like some aspects of it is kinda...half baked?
Like there's 0 other students in the academy other then us. Ruined my immersion abit
The quest pacing is kinda repetitive

[brittle siren]

and he standing there make his glass + Roathe loin cloth fall off into the void

[pale cedar]

DE much prefer making the quest cutscenes best they can be over making the rank up cutscenes the best so it definitely becomes a time issue of which do you put the most effort into

[brittle siren]

The student are mostly the blue sentient

for the Tenno one though, I think most are dead, Prime Vanguard is their corpse

[dawn shuttle]

Also, it's not like the cavia rank ups are generic, they call back to the vitruvian entries from the sacrifice, and the symbolism with the sand for them

And I fail to see how having the characters stand in a circle and argue for two minutes would be an Improvement

Even if it's a nicely lit, framed and animated cutscene

[woven trench]

Again, I just prefer visual motion as a medium if I'm actually focusing on a game
I do admit I'm abit subjective in my take though

[dawn shuttle]

Of course everyone has different metrics for quality and it's hard to get away from that, i'm just glad they aren't chasing perceived quality in places where it matters less at the expense of where it matters more

[woven trench]

Isn't Adis one of the first Sentient students to attend the school?

[brittle siren]

that not confirmed anywhere though, we just know that he is a healer sentient, only a few has the same power

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah, I see no issue in the preference, more so the insinuation that it stems from lazy or greedy developers

[strange turtle]

IIRC we’re specifically the first students, a “proof of concept”

Hence us having the graduation ceremony being the way it was

[dawn shuttle]

I actually never considered that

i guess i just figured other students were busy idk, studying or something — it's not like we really spend time in classrooms during the quest

[woven trench]

Having a school setting and not using it as an opportunity to add more tenno to tenno interaction seems like a missed opportunity to me

[pale cedar]

Tauron Academy but we see and do no studying

Perfectly fine helping Adis cheat though

[dawn shuttle]

maybe cause we're so close to graduating they just don't care

maybe our being close to adis led to a different curriculum and thus graduating a bit later than other tenno who are out and about getting ascaris'd instead

[dark compass]

Maybe it's more about the spiritual somatic connection and killing shit, so this form of knowledge is not as relevant

[brittle siren]

yeah the Tauron knowledge is for Adis to learn, we already the master

[ocean geyser]

drawin upon that "Make sentient weapons individuals using Xenoflora" idea

Would the Tatsu and Phantasma be like
alive enough
to use Xenoflora on?
They're more Eidolon weapons than Sentient ones, no?

i guess the Amalgam weapons are a bit of an uncertainty too

[dark compass]

Eidolon are just zombie Sentients

Just have a living version, that's pretty much it

And yeah Amalgam isn't clear

Ocucor and Battacor are just hijacked parts, but Komorex and Cyanex are their own thing

[ocean geyser]

yeah

[ocean geyser]

i feel like Amps arent clear either
amp variants would be neat but like
bro there's 3 interchangeable parts here

[fast dew]

I think the funniest thing is that War probably would work

[dark compass]

War is the weapon that was used to spiral this whole idea into what we are currently discussing

[ocean geyser]

yeah :D

[fast dew]

Oh. Lmao

[ocean geyser]

the idea is that War's a chill guy

[fast dew]

Now, important question

Would the two halves of War be two separate fragments with their own personalities

[ocean geyser]

hm

well the idea was that Broken War would literally be insane

so
probably?

that or just bipolar

[fast dew]

One half is insane and the other is like. Happy with life lobotomite style

[ocean geyser]

but i don't trust myself to write a bipolar individual correctly so someone else could do that

[dark compass]

It's "broken" and people call for War to get a buff. I think we know who should be getting the spotlight without asking extra questions

[fast dew]

The ":D" while the world is burning type deal

[dark compass]

I think it's not really about amps as is

You can just make a weapon with a firing type based on an amp

[ocean geyser]

Broken war being the "do you have any ibuprofen? i have a headache" meme

[dark compass]

But give it a more unique-ish design

[ocean geyser]

so like

a wrist cannon

like Epitaph and the two other guns like this

[dark compass]

No I mean

It can be any weapon type, it can just reuse how the amp/scaffold fires

Since we use sentient parts in amps, just like they're used in ocu/batta cors

Nothing says that they can't have more "complete" and self sufficient variants

Ocucor is straight up visually just schwaak prism

With some extra corpus tech attached

[ocean geyser]

makes sense then

[golden raptor]

what does lizzie/helminth/infested mean when they say that they "love" us and that we're confusing "trust" with "love"?

[silk atlas]

"love" in the "I want to make you a part of the hivemind" way

[ocean geyser]

also what personality would Nataruk have

[normal mountain]

Elitist snob

[fast dew]

.. what about Ballas' legs

[stiff beacon]

Probably on the same timing as pre new war hunhow

[normal mountain]

Mocks you for missing, or for not using the Perfect Shot mechanic

Reluctantly congratulates you for firing Perfect Shots

[eager dragon]

Mini-Ballas

https://tenor.com/view/abell46s-reface-mini-me-baile-gif-18851571

[terse furnace]

I have a question for the ones who study lore

How do we hear enemy comms?

Ex: Stalker can hear Captain Xato, or just literally any time we here the comms

I'm really hoping there's a lore reason

[pale cedar]

Gameplay over lore

If you didn’t hear it you’d complain trust me

[dark compass]

Definitely just gameplay over lore, but Lotus has quite a good capability for hacking thanks to who she is in our personal case

[pale cedar]

I gave Stalker a Cipher

That’s why he could Instahack in the quest trust

[dark compass]

he's just very good at it

[terse furnace]

Then hunter could definitely be hun how, then

This works for me, thanks

Stalker not hunter

[pale cedar]

Hunhow definitely could be hacking comms for him

[terse furnace]

Ye

I would say he could be as well but I figure if he did we would see that

[normal mountain]

Maybe it's just a Warframe capability
To intercept comms transmissions

Would also explain why Stalker can hear the transmissions

[narrow pendant]

the rare loading screen with orokin script that happens ever since the second dream is stalker attempting to hack your position and lotus booting him from the grid

somewhat relevant to the topic

[pale cedar]

Is Stalker stupid for even trying?

[narrow pendant]

i mean it clearly works once after you kill a assasination mission target

and ig ever since steel path youre just broadly broadcasting your location through the whole system to attract the acolytes for SP

or its teshin who sells us out lmao

[eager dragon]

Teshin should sell us out faster 'cause I need more steel essence.

[narrow pendant]

if you stay long enough in endless missions the recource booster gets so high youll get like, 20+ essences per kill

takes a few hours though

[unique talon]

After jade's quest and stalker's landing craft I thought to myself: "bro, where do we live exactly?"

I mean.. look at the size of our landing crafts..

[fast dew]

We have a separate area, the orbiter is not the landing craft iirc

[unique talon]

That makes sense

Since I first played this game, that question always came to my mind

Like do we live in some kind of space tower or something?

[pale cedar]

We lived on the moon before living in Orbiter

[dark compass]

Orbiter ≠ landing craft

We "live" in the orbiter now

If you go to drifters camp you can leave the area in-between and see your landing craft and orbiter separately, with orbiter parked in a cave

(I imagine drifter is mostly hanging out with the hex now)

[fleet furnace]

i think drifters probably hanging out with the triad more than the hex, and using the dark refractory since descendia and all that

[waxen mesa]

Probably. The Drifter can "more easily" travel to 1999 after techrot encore, but the wording didn't make me think they can do it easily. Just it's easier

[tall echo]

Orbiter

[empty terrace]

I'm playing the hex quest and I'm like why does Arthur sounds very familiar. Obviously it'd sound same that's god damn Verso

[strange plinth]

same VA :)
-# there's so many similarities between Arthur and Verso though its wild

[ashen pulsar]

does anyone have a screenshot of inkframe? I switched devices right as she was being shown so I missed what she looked like.

[marsh scroll]

so why exactly is santuary there in the top left?

was it always there?

[narrow pendant]

im crying

he go fast

[silk atlas]

Devtool

[narrow pendant]

i like how it just reuses the void without the light

[marsh scroll]

was it always there tho it feels like it could be something that they dont wanna talk about just yet

[silk atlas]

I've heard it was something they've had long before but I wouldn't bother reading into it

[marsh scroll]

ah interessting never noticed it in streams

[glacial bough]

(that) Sanctuary is purely a devbuild feature

iirc, it's just the void tilesets

[narrow pendant]

the gauss to volt pipeline is real lmfaooo

[strange turtle]

…is Verso another Final Fantasy guy or is this another variant of Vepo-R

[strange plinth]

expedition 33

[strange turtle]

I can’t believe (the) expedition 33 (devs) won Arthur’s VA

[narrow pendant]

and the most played frame last year is: CLAIRE OBSCUR: EXPEDITION 33 !!!!

[dark compass]

elden ring had around just as many awards total but nobody batted an eye

i blame silksong madness

[empty terrace]

I mean isn't it trendy to hate games which become popular.

[dark compass]

in case of exp33 its such a bizarre wave of misinfo and trying to hook at any attempts to shit on it

there has to be some sort of psychotic grudge behind it

and silksanity is right here

[empty terrace]

I'm happy I played it on day one when it released

[empty terrace]

I once saw a really good video about it.

[dark compass]

suddenly an indie game with a small team that bought a lot of assets and credited everyone is "500 industry workers"

[empty terrace]

https://youtu.be/IPO1Bkj2LzM?si=d4Pj0CRSzjid2c66

[dark compass]

thats not what im talking about

im talking about a geniune wave of misinfo about the game

not the "uhh hating popular thing"

ever since exp33 won all that shit it has been very actively targeted by misinformation, so much so some random down on their luck awards ceremony excluded them over it, completely unjustifiably

[feral cape]

Because a 10~ million budget doesn't give indie vibes along with a giant team size

[dark compass]

giant team size is also misinformation

[feral cape]

And they have a publisher

[dark compass]

most of the in-game assets have been bought from an asset store and they all have been credited as a part of the team

budget was given by an indie dev collective

[empty terrace]

Technically speaking they never branded themselves as indie studio. They got those awards without asking and I'd not refuse it either if I was getting an award

[dark compass]

voice actors, qa, stock asset creators and translators are never seen as part of the team but suddenly they are

by thay logic you can say silksong also had a huge team of developers

[dark compass]

game awards does not give a shit about whos actually indie or not

they nominated dave the diver, a game made by actual industry veterans that are a subsidiary of a giant conglomerate

[pale cedar]

Game Awards don’t care about a lot of things

[dark compass]

bg3 won best multiplayer btw

multiplayer that actively breaks things, barely functions with some story beats and actively undercuts companions who also provide a lot of content on their own

like yeah good luck beating the game with 4 people without shit breaking lol

[empty terrace]

Ok other games aside what is Kim ? I finished the hex and there's suddenly old computer near my coordination module

[dark compass]

what entrati said, you cant save unless you befriend them

go get em

[empty terrace]

Why does that sound more like dating sim

[strange plinth]

its what you can use to chat with the hex, if you wish
personal stories n relationship building. dating sim if you wish it to be

[dark compass]

kinda

it is

but romance is entirely optional

[strange plinth]

^ its an option, and you don't miss out on anything big by not doing so

[empty terrace]

Ok I mean sure why not that sounds fun. What could possibly go wrong

[dark compass]

like does it mean if theres an indie dev collective sponsoring games together, are they not indie devs anymore

whatever, topic has to go

back to wf lore

[north jolt]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aX5lqWltTHs Hot take incoming

[dark compass]

i dont trust people with ai generated profiles

[north jolt]

Who?

[dark compass]

,

[north jolt]

🔎 huh, never actually looked at his profile pic before

In any case I think he has a point here

[dark compass]

profile background too

fakest pixel art ever

of course he would shill corpus

[proper barn]

We don't need capitilism.

and the fact people even in warframe defend it's existence is terrible.

[north jolt]

Putting aside IRL politics, barbaric fuedalism and chattel slavery is hardly better

[proper barn]

why do you think you have to pick between those 3?

[north jolt]

Well one of the major arguments he makes that I kind of agree with is that the Grineer empire is doomed to fail.

[proper barn]

also warframe is made by people that live in IRL politics Like are you gonna tell me the fact that the solaris LIVE in debt all their lives isn't supposed to be

a refrence to real like politics?

[proper barn]

so?

[north jolt]

They WILL collapse under their political and biological degradation. Might take decades, might take centuries, but as they exist now they are fundamentally unstable regardless of we (the Tenno) do

[proper barn]

So?

why not make a society around the WORKERS oh wow. that might be nice. the solaris united controlling things a WORKER LEAD LEADERSHIP.

[north jolt]

So if the purpose of the Tenno is to "maintain balance" in the origin system, how do we contend with an inevitable imbalance of power in the future?

[proper barn]

i just think the corpus are one of the eviliest factions

[north jolt]

Basically how do we adapt to a post-Grineer origin system

[proper barn]

cuz of their fiegn beingness.

the fact people even think we need them is why they are terrible.

[north jolt]

We can't weaponize them as proxies if they no longer exist, which will give the Corpus a huge advantage in their struggle for power especially against us. HOWEVER, unlike the Grineer the Corpuis can actually be reasoned with, bargained with, and even in special temporary cases allied with. We even already have people in high positions of power within the Corpus leadership who are sympathetic to the Tenno

[proper barn]

the same reason for why capitlism is terrible. the avergare warframe theorist (us citizen) WOULD IMAGINE AN END TO ALL THINGs instead of a different path than capitilism.

[proper barn]

that's a lie.

if you say Granum you haven't played warframe.

you just haven't i don't believe you.

[strange plinth]

this video seems biased as hell

[north jolt]

@proper barn Here's the thing, I understand Warframe is political, but it also exists in a VERY different material reality then we do :p Im not ignoring the sociopolitical aspect, but I am engaging with it on it's terms

[proper barn]

still this is my response to you.

[proper barn]

I wanna know who is sympathic to us in the Corpus leadership? it's moslty just Glast.

if you say granum you're wrong. even before the belly in the beast stuff but especially after it.

[dark compass]

Mooooooom, they are arguing about capitalism again

[north jolt]

Ergo Glast, well at one point was at least. Obviously he's leading the Perrin Sequence now but I think still has some influence and sway on the Corpus

[proper barn]

lmao.

[dark compass]

IM TELLING YOU, of course the video would be shilling corpus. His entire profile design is AI generated

[gentle isle]

The only allies I can think of are darvo and glast

A black arms dealer and an exiled board member, I don't think those are good positions

[north jolt]

Im not counting on Granum, least not any time soon. Maybe he'll stop hating us at some point? but definitely not now

[proper barn]

HE ALWAYS HATED US.

he PRETENDS TO BE A WEAK OLD MAN TO TRY TO KILL US>

[gentle isle]

Also didn't glast sell most of his assets to save that infested girl

[strange plinth]

every granum-tenno interaction is "stay out of my way" "no lol"

[gentle isle]

No wait he gambled them away

[proper barn]

lmao

[north jolt]

Definitely not, at best BUT it is more then can be said about the Grineer where we have 0 allies unless you want to count Kahl and Steel Meridian

[proper barn]

He did get them back avon but anyway.

[dark compass]

"maybe he'll stop hating us"
maybe the leopard would stop eating my face some day...

[gentle isle]

You don't count my boy clem? Tf?

[north jolt]

Clem is special

[dark compass]

[strange plinth]

'we have no grineer allies unless you count our grineer allies'

[north jolt]

But yeah, I stand by that on average your chances (as a Tenno) of bargaining and reasoning with the Corpus are significantly higher then with the Grineer, who are going to collapse and rot away anyways

[proper barn]

"if we destroy the Machine that eats 1000 people a day we will lose all those jobs"

[proper barn]

still easier for you to imagine a end to all things then a way to exist that doesn't involve capitlism.

[gentle isle]

Or hear me out
Just keep both at arms length like we've been doing so far and continue being the equalizer

[north jolt]

Unfortunately they still have the whole "genetic degradation" issue going on too. Definitely more trust worthy, but sadly

[north jolt]

Until the Grineer empire collapses

[gentle isle]

Maybe? Gonna have to see what DE has cookin for the grineer

I doubt they'd just let em die out so easily

[strange plinth]

the clonerot has degraded them significantly, but it isn't getting faster. it took them a thousand years to degrade to their current point, there's stlil a lot of time before that's a major issue

• tyl regor was trying to solve clonerot, n we killed him

[north jolt]

I mean even if we don't see it for ourselves, a lack of industrial innovation, an over reliance on barbarism and brutality, and genetic degradation that only worsens with each generation are integral parts of their world building. Rather we actually see it play out or not, they ARE doomed

DOOOOOOOM!

[gentle isle]

We'd need a reason for the kuva lich system to keep going so I doubt it'll be that simple

[dark compass]

Aren't ghouls a direct demonstration of what happens when it goes too far

[north jolt]

I mean at one point in time there was some small hope for the Grineer to overcome clone rot, but then we murdered said hope

[strange plinth]

the video brings up that 'almost every corpus leader is innovating while there's only like two grineer leaders doing the same'
the leaders of both are leaders because they're innovating
each grineer leader is responsible for or was looking into some new solution. the corpus are a little more successful but they're both doing that?

[silk atlas]

It's not like they're gonna stop trying

[north jolt]

Corpus are evil, but rational (except for Alad V). Grineer are evil and gotdang psychotic

[north jolt]

Well Tyl Regor is dead, the currently alive Queen is insane, the potato headed dude who screams alot only ever really accomplished the Ghouls, which are just weaponized zombies for all intents and purposes

[gentle isle]

I'm just saying in order to save time and resources DE will come up with some reason for the grineer to persist otherwise they'd have to rework not just kuva liches but also the invasion system as well

[strange plinth]

vay hek is behind the ghouls, the G3, and balor fomorians
two of those are collaborative iirc but he was still involved
he's also involved with the cicero toxin that's poisoning earth, which is attempting to expand their territory

[north jolt]

Tbh probably yeah. I don't know what it would be or how they would do it without rendering some of our efforts (like killing Tyl Regor) basically meaningless but TBF that feels like a issue for Warframe 2 to figure out

[north jolt]

Actually yeah Ill admit I didn't give Vay Hek enough credit here

[gentle isle]

Bit early to think about a sequel

[silk atlas]

They already did that adding Citrine's gamemode. The Assassinations are all pretty "Yeah they dont' actually die"

[north jolt]

Exactly, so as far as the current game's lore and its implications go, Grineer are basically doomed to collapse without a deus ex machina

[silk atlas]

Yeah but how long until then is important

If it's not for a few bajillion years, who cares, especially when it's been a massive time already for them to be degraded into the state they are now and somehow still being a powerhouse faction in the system

[north jolt]

Corpus, for all of their problems, are significantly more stable and easier to reason with. NOT GOOD GUYS, in case that needs to be said for some of y'all, just less insane and sadistic (then the Grineer) badguys

[strange plinth]

the corpus-grineer conflict keeps both more focused on the war with each other rather than maximizing their own goals
that's part of why the balance is important. remove one, and the other becomes significantly more powerful. that's when we'd probably struggle to help anyone

[north jolt]

I think its going to take less time then that though. Obviously the queen (the current one who's still alive) is probably never going to get a new healthy body to transfer into, least Im guessing. So as clone rot continues to worsen, she will eventually die out too from sickness and decay (unless we get to her first somehow)

[proper barn]

I feel like

I'm gonna keep repeating myself.

[gentle isle]

I wish that were true but just look at how unreasonable some irl corpos are today, you really think you can cut a deal with em and come out on top? I'd be very careful

[silk atlas]

Most of the Grineer don't even know the other one is dead, so I doubt they'd know anything is up until one of the "smarter" one realizes.

[gentle isle]

I just feel like saying the corpus are easier to deal with is a bit naive

[north jolt]

In the current time, yes the balance is important. But sooner or later, most likely if and when the Grineer empire collapses a power vacuum will be left. Personally I dont think the Tenno alone will be able to fill that vacuum, based on skepticism Ive seen towards the idea of the Tenno as is being able to just wipe the floor with both factions at the same time if they really wanted to. So, we are going to need allies and tbh as sad as it makes me, I don't think Steel Meridian will last much longer then the Grineer empire itself for obvious reasons, so we might have to start looking for ways to either empower Glast and Perrin Sequence or "persuade" certain individuals in Corpus leadership to ally with us

[silk atlas]

You've got whiny nepo baby, the master of mistakes Alad, and then the one actually scary smart dude in Parvos for the people we know about.

[proper barn]

"The victims of oppression that wish to not be free from oppression but be the oppressors themselves."

[north jolt]

[gentle isle]

I believe someone said it best: "corpos are not your friend, if they were legally allowed to sell your organs they'd do it"
Good thing the corpus doesnt do that OH WAIT A MINUTE
gestures to all the Solaris

[proper barn]

Okay. My points against the video are actually. 1. This won't happen in the story and thus doesn't matter. 2. There are infinite ways to not do this if we wanted to go down this road.

[silk atlas]

The general Corpus are far too similar to the Orokin for me to even entertain the idea of somehow letting the Corpus head the main control of the system

[proper barn]

Literally a "this doesn't matter but if it did you are thinking too small."

[north jolt]

Corpos are not my friend for sure, BUT if I had to choose between working with them vs. working with sadistic warlord barbarians ||Even Marx argued capitalism was a better system over fuedalism TBF but like I said before Im trying not to debate IRL politics. Only in game politics :p||

[north jolt]

I think at the very least we need a way to empower OUR people to better stand up against a future, stronger Corpus along side with us

[gentle isle]

I'd search for a third option but that's just me

[silk atlas]

This is very much a "third option" situation

[strange plinth]

hunhow calling alad an orokin is not entirely wrong. he certainly has the orokin mentality

[north jolt]

Material conditions donn't always allow for a ideal third option TBF

[dark compass]

Something something release the Tuvul files, I know Parvos was on the flight list that's where he got blown up

[north jolt]

Maybe a uneasy third option

[silk atlas]

The Corpus would literally sell your body parts if it helped them, so yeah I assume most people would look for a third option even if it's far from easy or convenient for them.

[strange plinth]

the sentients might be better than the corpus, if they could get back to origin w/o sterilizing themselves
or they might be worse. depends on if Roathe's thought that they would emulate the orokin in an attempt to get to "perfection" is correct

[gentle isle]

Surely that ship has sailed, after killing the xenoflora

[strange plinth]

its been a long time, though. and the empire responsible has already fallen

[proper barn]

That's what I'm saying.

[north jolt]

That's fair, but it still comes back to this: What if that "third option" just doesn't exist? people reasonably scoff at the idea of supporting a "lesser evil" because its still evil, but material conditions especially in what is essentially a grim dark setting don't always allow for that. "Balance" is a good ideal to strive for and all, but even as is we kind of already work with both lesser and greater evils all the time out of necessity

[silk atlas]

At that point I'd rather just die fighting against it

[north jolt]

Y'all gonna tell me you NEVER picked a side in a conflict based on who had the orokin reactor or not?

As much as we oppose both the Corpus and Grineer, we at times also enable them to "keep the balance"

[proper barn]

That's a different point.

Also we help individual groups in the system no matter what.

[silk atlas]

We enable them because unfortunately we don't have the means for permanent occupation of anything, so this frankly is our best third option for now

[north jolt]

Is it though? because if we already (under limited circumstances) pick and choose who we ally with in a given conflict in order to maintain some semblance of balance, who's to say we wont have to do something different but similar once the Grineer are out of the picture by allying with certain Corpus entities who we CAN bargain with?

[dark compass]

We should eat the corpus board of directors

[north jolt]

We need more Grendel mains for that

[dark compass]

Deluxe will help

[strange plinth]

now here's an idea i can get behind

[dark compass]

Actually his second deluxe already

[north jolt]

But yeah, think about it specifically under the (very likely, lore wise at least) conditions of the Grineer no longer being a factor. How do we maintain balance then?

In short, we dont. It just becomes a one sided war against an empowered faction

[silk atlas]

We don't, we just lose at that point because the Corpus would ta-

Yeah.

[north jolt]

UNLESS

We find prominent people within the Corpus who are willing to help us, even if for a price

And yes I know, I it will be for a price

[silk atlas]

Which, given the people who actually have major influence with the Directors, is a bumbling idiot, a whiny nepo, and Parvos... Roathe said it best

Really the problem with the Corpus in this setup is that they aren't a centralized power system and each person is giving their own issues.

[iron tiger]

Do the grineer reclone the bosses and major officials we see in game?

[north jolt]

TBF that's just that we know of. They are big names on the board of directors, but they aren't everyone and Alad V might just be actually dead at this point?

[silk atlas]

No, they just didn't die.

[iron tiger]

Oh ok

[north jolt]

OH GOD I hope Alad V is actually dead

[silk atlas]

He's not.

Unfortunately

[iron tiger]

We’ve killed him like 6 times 😂

[north jolt]

I know I should expect him to popup for some BS reason in the future but going this long without seeing sight or hair of him

He's either dead-dead or is going to have the most unwelcomed return ever

[iron tiger]

Is the alad v we see in the new war a clone or the one we face on eris?

[north jolt]

"Back by unpopular demand "

[north jolt]

I think its the one healed of the infestation