lore-discussion

[tacit carbon]

do NOT threaten me with a good time

[ocean geyser]

Bro??

[jolly root]

Dude

Simp

[tacit carbon]

what can I say

[ocean geyser]

I feel like this conversation is raising at least one person’s blood pressure

Minimum

[fast dew]

From personal experience, if someone left you and someone told you it was your fault, it would make you more than pissed. Imagine if someone blamed you for your family issues, said that every argument that the family has ever had, was because of you.

It understandably makes people frustrated

And hurt

[jolly root]

Hence why i picked roathe would be proud of you for that dialog

[tacit carbon]

in any case Marie's attitude towards the whole situation does come across as ....toxically codependent. no thanks miss nun

[jolly root]

Like lyon doubts entrati

[lean garden]

sure, anger is a valid response. I said quick to anger, emphasis on quick

a flash of temper, a demonisation in an instant

[signal finch]

To clarify I wasnt taking it negatively of you bringing up my DID I did see why you brought it up and I appreciate you trying to relate and being so calm during this :3

Moving back to the adhd, I currently act fairly similarly to our speedster give or take a few mannerisms, adhd has different levels some may exhibit it differently than others, lets not forget that he is not just adhd, he has his own personality and that personality is also affecting how he acts.

Ill move on from him and instead move to how I act

I am a dramtic little shit and a videogame nerd. When im with friends or im fairly comfortable I get into a sorta acting move where im more dramatic with what I say and do this could be to help ease some tension or to just let lose some extra energy.

I can activly see Amir acting how I would in certin situations.

Some differences include the coffee, I personally get tired when I have caffeine but I know some other dont

That being said it is brought up in a convo and from Amir himself I do not think he was bouncing off the walls I think he was a little too hyper and they cut him off, if I wrote that statement it would have been exaggerated which is something I am very much prone to do

[jolly root]

And hes easy.to get on your side

[lean garden]

a hurt person lashing out at other hurt people, and all the cycle continues

[ocean geyser]

Oh so that’s still going huh

Ngl i didn’t realize you were still typing 😭
Bit late but valid response

[signal finch]

I can drop it, I was mainly finishing up my thoughts after clarifying I wasnt offended T~T

[ocean geyser]

https://tenor.com/view/pat-garrys-mod-garrys-mod-physics-fast-intense-gif-26322619

[signal finch]

"I can feel the brainsells lewving with each pat" :D

[fast dew]

Kinda how that happens, yes. But that doesn't mean mother, a woman who has been shown to be very volatile, wouldnt do worse

[jolly root]

I could see lyon even roathe trying to apologize for maries words

[lean garden]

Kinda how that happens, yes.
And so you should see how the response to break the cycle is to not perpetuate it on behalf of another
But that doesn't mean mother, a woman who has been shown to be very volatile, wouldnt do worse
Sure, I wasnt talking about her

[fast dew]

.. okay but we were talking about her because you didnt think she'd lash out like that?

[ocean geyser]

Nah man

[fast dew]

OH

You mean

[ocean geyser]

🫵

[fast dew]

Oh. So. You know

Thats exactly what i was saying

People will come in and excuse it

[fast dew]

"Quick to anger"

[ocean geyser]

Had no idea this was a sticker

[lean garden]

And you put words in my mouth extremely quick

Did I say what she did was excusable?

Did I at any point attempt to justify marie's words

[fast dew]

What else do you expect People to think when you say in response to me not liking her by "too quick to anger"?

[ocean geyser]

I feel like this is already getting out of hand-

[fast dew]

What could you possibly mean other than i shouldn't react like that to hurtful words?

[lean garden]

to look at your own response and realise you just did to marie what marie did to mother and see that the cycle continues

Marie makes a horrible assumption about mother, and now for perpetuity, you will see marie as a "bad person" as you put it

cycle continues

[fast dew]

I fail how to see that what Marie actively says, doesnt make her a bad person.

At least in my eyes.

She throws people under the bus when shes throwing a tantrum.

Idc how upset she is, that's a horrible thing to do

And I have every right to get mad at her, and not like her.

She insults family, and idk if this is a cultural difference but that is genuinely one of the worst things you could do

Shes a grown ass woman

[lean garden]

In that conversation, and afterwards in MarieEntratiDay2, you have the rare opportunity to make marie eat her words, you have an opportunity to twack into the main theme of the triad, redemption.

Are good people precluded from bad actions? Are bad people precluded from good actions?

If marie realises afterwards when she has time to think, that what she's said were hurtful words aimed at a family that could be restored, and that she's willing to push them together, does it mean nothing because of what she's said before?

[strange turtle]

She threw people she doesn’t actually know under the bus at a very heated and stressful point, after Drifter had continually prodded her in some way or another on the conversation subject, due to her having a deep-rooted personal issue that said subject is linked to, after being cooped up in a basement with a ragebaiter for several years

[fast dew]

I think theres a fundamental difference between our views on forgiveness.

I don't care if she thinks its bad later on

She still did it.

Again, you don't forgive a person for stabbing you because they're upset.

[hot bone]

Would the Tenno have made it this far in the story without Rell? Is he the goat of tenno?

[lean garden]

The critical bit of the triad (although I've yet to deeply examine lyon's story to fit): Redemption. Doing something bad, does it preclude forgiveness? Does it forever mark you as a bad person?

[ocean geyser]

Imma take a moment to analyze this i suppose

I think the main issue here is simply the “quick to anger part”

I think it’s getting misinterpreted as you devaluing getting angry in the first place
When something like that is a reasonable thing to get mad at, actually
Which you pointed out even

It essentially sounds like you’re saying “yeah yeah Marie said some nasty shit but you shouldn’t let yourself get angry anyway”
That’s not exactly a very efficient way to get your message across

[lean garden]

extremely

[normal mountain]

Is that not what Father does?
For both Mother and Daughter?

[fast dew]

Which he shouldn't be doing.

[tacit carbon]

Rell definitely a key player in Warframe lore

[fast dew]

That is deadass abuse and he just doesnt care, and thats his choice

[lean garden]

I didnt say shouldnt let yourself get angry, the emphasis is on "quick"

[fast dew]

Do you want me to wait 5 seconds and then get angry???

How do you think emotions work??

They're not something you can just wait for

[normal mountain]

I think the point being made is that you shouldn't immediately act on the anger

[lean garden]

we have Mr Roathe in one corner, and the whole arc of the triad is a trial for him to see if he is worthy of forgiveness. Marie insults the family and then?

[lean garden]

^

[ocean geyser]

Quick to anger essentially just means you’re impulsive
But to be entirely fair this feels like a reasonable instance to be impulsive even if you don’t get angry that’s something that can’t be tolerated

[normal mountain]

Give yourself time to cool off before continuing

[eager dragon]

To be fair, considering that, to my knoweledge, Mother never actually heard anything Marie said, I feel like this entire discussion is a bit obsolete, no? Like, nothing actually comes out of it.

[ocean geyser]

That’s not really the point

Mother was simply brought up as a theoretical

[lean garden]

I mean, why do you suppose right after marie drops that line drifter comes in with their finishing moves

Since the luminaries are really just warframe christianity (since they already quote some verses lol), the concept of repetentance begins with the change of mind, which well, ask MarieEntratiDay2 how that goes

And the concept of forgiveness...

well thats a harder one to consistently act out

[ocean geyser]

I think most of Thomas’ anger is being drawn from personal experience
Which is fair, to be honest
But that’s also making it difficult for this conversation to settle

[lean garden]

The anger is justified, that I do not deny

I just think its very quick to

how to say

label a character based on that moment in anger

you dont have to like her sure

[ocean geyser]

So
With that in mind
It would change your stance
Because personal biases will always affect a person’s chain of thought

You do not have the same personal biases so you fundamentally can’t agree with him

Brains are weird

[lean garden]

I dont think it could change my stance if Im honest

[lean garden]

related to the above reason

[ocean geyser]

Maybe
But my point about personal biases still holds i feel

[fast dew]

Like i said, probably cultural differences.

[ocean geyser]

I feel like it’s personal differences to be honest

[fast dew]

Ehhh

When in regards to offending the family, that one, for me, is a culture thing

[lean garden]

Perhaps. I am running on a framework I inherited after all

[fast dew]

You don't do that.

Like. As a rule

[ocean geyser]

Dude
Two people can be in the same goddamn FAMILY and have such a varying difference in views

[lean garden]

idk man, Im in high-context collectivist society

[fast dew]

Insulting the family is how you get the entire mob to hate you

[lean garden]

Wait hang on surely I have a meme for this

[strange turtle]

Alright so

Why, exactly, do you think he shouldn’t forgive them for their actions? Like, not for that situation in specific but just generally, why do you think it qualifies as something that shouldn’t be forgiven?

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/jackpot-devil-may-cry-gun-dante-pose-gif-14329655

[ocean geyser]

I think it’s entirely possible that the fact that Marie is a character in a video game is making someone take her behaviour less seriously

Not that i’m tryna be the “it’s just a game” person or anything

[fast dew]

Which... comes down to a cultural difference. All or nothing, for my mob like ill be honest, I don't think you know what im talking about, let alone the culture i was raised in. No hate or anything to you, but I don't think you're getting it

To insult the family is to insult everyone

While other people wont have that same mentality, its genuinely a thing for my folk

[ocean geyser]

Yeah no i get that part specifically

[fast dew]

Which is why im saying its a cultural difference between me and Bau, as they're likely not raised with the same ideals

Not that either are superior

[lean garden]

wdym clearly || gotcha || are superior

[normal mountain]

So
If someone says something in a moment of anger
And it insults the family
It's entirely unforgivable?

[fast dew]

Generally, yeah. Dont expect many to forgive them

[normal mountain]

No matter how much remorse they show for their words later?

[fast dew]

Like ive had cousins outcasted for it

[lean garden]

Based on what thomas has said so far, I think the total landmass on the map I need to geoguesser their ancestral home is shrinking

although it does raise some questions on how "organised" his family is

if you get what I mean

[fast dew]

... huh

Brother if you want i can tell you what culture im meaning lol

[lean garden]

Im mostly joking

[fast dew]

We just have a big emphasis on family due to like

[normal mountain]

That would help imo

[lean garden]

I making a joke to the italian mob, even though Im very sure youve mentioned which country youre from

[fast dew]

First nations Australians, i can't say what tribe w out doxxing myself, but im apart of 2

[normal mountain]

Oh
Oh, right
I remember that now

[fast dew]

Suddenly things make sense

I hope 😭

[normal mountain]

dunno why I keep thinking you're Asian

[fast dew]

WHAT

Ykwhat. Thats not a first

[lean garden]

because he keeps talking about family

[fast dew]

Strangely not a first

[lean garden]

and theres one side of the world more stereotypically associated with collectivist societies

[normal mountain]

Ye, that would be why

[fast dew]

Tbf if i wanted to, I could go into the history behind aboriginal Australians to show that they do descend from Asia to some degree

[normal mountain]

And the final piece of the puzzle

[lean garden]

migratory patterns go brrrrrrrrrr

[tacit carbon]

saying things like marie said in a very heated and intense moment is to simply be human sometimes. saying things like that a lot and often is a whole other problem. individuals can learn to grow and change (-points vaguely at all protoframes in game-). perhaps some more conversations will come with updates and expand on this aspect of her storyline further

[lean garden]

The H in humans stands for hubris and I'll be damned if it aint just how it is

[crimson bobcat]

does anyone find strange how Marie start speaking fluently english in one of the kim massages?? mabie it was sombody else instead of her

[lean garden]

Wuh?

[fast dew]

Bilingual 👍

[lean garden]

I like how Lyon speaking fluently isnt in question, he too is french

[eager dragon]

Personally to me the most frustrating aspect of the Triad was the Drifter, and their utter stupidity.

Ok, maybe not stupidity (unlike some of the Hex conversations, cough Kaya cough), but just... the way the Drifter seems to sometimes take the mildest of takes by Roathe like blasphemy, it's annoying. Mostly the Man in the Wall thing.

I mean, you're telling me that the Drifter didn't connect the multitude of dots together? It's not the only outcome, sure, but it's certainly one of them, and the fact we can't choose it is really annoying. Atleast we can agree with the moral conversation with Roathe in that same aspect, even if we have to act skeptically first (as if it's such a wild statement that morals require an observer).

[fast dew]

And roathe is from bastardland and speaks bastard-

[lean garden]

-# coitus

[fast dew]

Ive deadass only seen that word used by Spy from tf2 😭

Heard at least. Im sure ive read a fanfic w it somewhere

[lean garden]

honestly valid, as much as its exactly what I was saying, I had to still push drifter in that direction first

I wasnt able to go "YESSIRY YOU GOT IT" from the get go

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-salut-salute-بسبس-تحيه-gif-11022171827428701157

[eager dragon]

Seriously. It would also be extremely satisfying to see Roathe flander when we immediately agree with him after he came expecting a verbal fight.

[fast dew]

He kinda does that w the family and Loid being reunited with them after a reset. He knows from that but yk

[crimson bobcat]

like this one is purerly in english and i also got one when she asked me somthing i tried rizz and she replied whith same massage

[fast dew]

That is. Very proper english

Not fluent english when it comes to bilingualism, yk?

[fast dew]

She's being proper bcs she doesn't know how to be improper

In English, at least

[crimson bobcat]

ahh make sense thanks

[dark compass]

Yeah it's not like you learn internet tier lingo from proper studying

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[dark compass]

The classic

[fast dew]

Often why seeing the tag "english isnt my first language" on any fanfic site is usually a good thing. Absolute peak writing

ACTUALLY ON THAT. ONE OF THE ALLOID FANFICS I WAS HYPED TO SEE UPDATED GOT PUT ON HIATUS BCS OF THE FAILURE THE TRIAD WAS

Genuinely shattered

[dark compass]

Huh

How would that affect the triad?

[fast dew]

Author can't continue working on warframe stuff bcs they feel the writing has degraded and its just not the same for em

[ocean geyser]

Other way around

[fast dew]

Losing passion in something you once loved when you realise that it kinda sucks

[ocean geyser]

The triad is effecting the fanfic

[fast dew]

Genuinely so sad

It was such a good premise too

But in the meantime I do have a fantasy au I can read

[dark compass]

I meant to write "how would that affect the fanfic" but my brain lagged

[fast dew]

While I neglect the alloid fic that ive been meaning to write

[ocean geyser]

Oh lmao

[dawn shuttle]

Pretty rapid degradation if it was good two quests ago and now is bad lol

[dark compass]

Two quests ago? Wouldn't it be just one quest in this case?

[eager dragon]

Personally I found the Triad to be better than either the Hex or Roundtable KIM messages.

Although I also encountered almost no bugs so that probably helped.

[dawn shuttle]

well i assume that whispers was good, such that they started writing it. The hex might then have been bad but not bad enough to stop, with old peace being the final nail in the coffin

[dark compass]

Ah

[dawn shuttle]

I think they all have pretty distinct strengths? The hex are very cohesive and of course very connected to the quest etc, the roundtable for me really shine in that you're working towards a cool goal with all of them, and the triad are fun characters in general, and all have interesting relationships to each other and to the world

Idk, i really like all of the kim groups and can't really rank them in any meaningful way, but i feel like i gained different things from all of them

[brittle siren]

Does anyone feel that Marie speaking French a lot is overdone? (not my opinion)

[dawn shuttle]

I don't find it more overdone that any other character doing it, i guess lettie being the parallel

[dark compass]

People are more familiar with a spanish character using a ton of spanish in media than they are with french

[strange turtle]

It’s overdone but not in an inauthentic way, I think

[dark compass]

Yeah

Source: I have two friends who talk like this

[strange turtle]

Like, usually bilingual people don’t use that much of their native language when they don’t have to, but then a lot do too

[dawn shuttle]

But I don't love that type of writing usually, of course different people and different languages mean that i can't speak for anyone other than myself but like, in no world would i interject with swedish phrases while speaking english

[brittle siren]

This person complains that she is a gooner bait, and she speaks perfect English yet still speaks French. And said Lyon does not do that

[dark compass]

Lyon doesn't speak french in his chats?

[brittle siren]

For me I never see or hear him speak French

[pale cedar]

Lettie actually speaks Spanish then says it in English right after

[dark compass]

I don't know because my kim bugged and I've left a ticket for DE to reset everything without triggering anything

[dawn shuttle]

I feel like the other way around is a lot more common irl though, people replacing parts of their native language with english, but that's typically just an effect of being online a lot lol

[dark compass]

From my experience talking to people who do, it's always a matter of being emotional about something, so idk

[brittle siren]

Also, Marie is from a rich French family so she may learn French a ton when she was a child

[dawn shuttle]

(also a lot more infuriating than english->native imo lmao)

[fast dew]

Do you mean English 😭 if she's from a rich french family shes gonna know french

[dawn shuttle]

rare monolingual w i guess?

[dark compass]

Lyon is just too afraid to create misunderstandings so he will always speak in english

[dawn shuttle]

Maybe the pom2 just has good translation software

[dark compass]

He can't afford someone getting the wrong idea

[dark compass]

Does that mean Lettie and Marie intentionally disable it

[pale cedar]

It uses GBT translation tech

[dawn shuttle]

Maybe the pom2 just has buggy translation software

[dawn shuttle]

lmaoo what

That's awesome

Marie techbro arc ???

[fast dew]

Not awesome, it was the RU translation

[dark compass]

No pls

[pale cedar]

Employee got caught using GBT

[fast dew]

It slipped through and it was an issue

[dawn shuttle]

It's funny as hell

[dark compass]

Turns out ever since like Jade Shadows, the contractor for russian translation has been half assing it and only now got caught using chatgpt

[strange turtle]

That’s why the Techrot went after DE

[fast dew]

what.

[dark compass]

Yeah

[strange turtle]

Had to take down the Coda opposition’s supporters

[fast dew]

Holy shit

[pale cedar]

They’re one with the rot now

[dark compass]

I've been asking people around and turns out the translation has gone to shit since Jade shadows

[fast dew]

Suddenly it makes sense now

[dawn shuttle]

Stalker be like ughhh tenno can you ask chatgpt how to heal a warframe plss

[dark compass]

And now suddenly one of the Marie's texts had chatgpt translation copied

I don't believe it was anyone in DE

[fast dew]

Whoof.

[dark compass]

You hire a contractor for translation work in 99% of cases

[pale cedar]

Maybe they used it in other places and we just caught it on KIM

[dark compass]

Even for indie games

[fast dew]

They probably did, for other translators

Which isnt DE's fault

[pale cedar]

I feel DE definitely won’t be hitting that translator up again

[fast dew]

Its hard though

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah they ll cut out the middleman and just use chatgpt themselves

[fast dew]

Hard to find a new translator that wouldnt use it

[dark compass]

Yeah DE can't really give quality assurance to a translator.

[fast dew]

No, thats not a DE thing to do

[dark compass]

It's a whole different layer to the job

[fast dew]

If they did do that, half of the fanbase would just leave

[dark compass]

You have translation, you have quality assurance for translation

[dawn shuttle]

That's why it's a joke :)

[dark compass]

It's usually all different people down the line

And I doubt DE has both in-house for russian

Silksong also had a really rough translation on some languages

[fast dew]

Mhm

[dark compass]

It's very hard to control

[fast dew]

Chinese in particular

[dark compass]

What is weirder

[fast dew]

Genuinely cannot wait till the bubble pops

[dark compass]

Is that russian translation has suffered a lot since Jade Shadows, BUT

[dawn shuttle]

and i mean, it's not like taking shortcuts in spite of quality is a new thing

[dark compass]

Vallis Undermind was good apparently?

[dawn shuttle]

gpt locked in for that update

it loooves mushrooms

[dark compass]

Yeah so much so it has grown over the internet like mold

[fast dew]

I hate it

I wish it burns

[brittle siren]

Isn't both Lyon and Marie live in French?

[fast dew]

Yeah, so why would they learn french if they're native speakers?

From rich people specifically

[mystic lynx]

Funny that it happened to involve a giant tech CEO

[dark compass]

NefGPT

[brittle siren]

No I mean learn French much sooner than normal children

Idk

[dawn shuttle]

writing, maybe yeah

[dark compass]

I think it slipped because they just batch translated everything

[fast dew]

Mm

[dark compass]

Either way DE has incinerated them probably

[dawn shuttle]

yes!!!

[brittle siren]

Wait what are you guys talking about ChatGPT? I still not get it

[dawn shuttle]

yeah

[dark compass]

@brittle siren

[dawn shuttle]

apparently it's been used for translation and spat out not so great results

[dark compass]

DE has since made a statement on it saying that there's a strict no AI policy, removed the slip up and said they will investigate

If only it was easy to control when it comes to translation

[brittle siren]

Only for Russian translation?

[dark compass]

As far as I know, I talked to people who play the game in russian about it

[brittle siren]

Interesting

[dawn shuttle]

maybe it's just better at translating to other languages 🥴

[dark compass]

And/or people haven't been too vocal about it

[dawn shuttle]

yeah

[potent raft]

What was the lore of sevagoth prime again? The default sevagoth was the rotting/decaying prime version after being lost in the void?

[eager dragon]

Within the concept art only, if I'm remembering, but yes.

Don't think there is anything regarding that in-game, unless I'm forgetting something.

[eager briar]

Question who is THE orokin emperor like the head honcho directly above the executors

Because an empire needs an emperor

[eager dragon]

There isn't one Orokin Emperor, but rather Emperors

We've never seen any of them though.

Nor do we know how many Emperors there are.

[pale cedar]

Plural not singular
Never shown because they’re dead

[eager dragon]

Also I remember reading somewhere that they kept themselfs locked away so as to literally not need to breath the same air as the lesser beings.

[eager briar]

Oh man, I would’ve really wanted to put a bullet in their skull and feed their corpse to the helminth

[eager dragon]

With the exception being the Night of the Naga Drums.

[eager dragon]

Well, the first half we did do.

Dunno what we did with the corpses though.

[waxen mesa]

I think the chances are high the orokin emperor is 100% dead

[eager dragon]

Emperors. The plural is important.

[waxen mesa]

is there emperors?

either way though

[pale cedar]

Yes

[eager dragon]

Yes, but we don't know how many.

Only that there are more than one.

[waxen mesa]

I have to imagine we wouldn't have done the night of naga drums if the emperors weren't present

[strange plinth]

"Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk." from stalker's codex

[eager dragon]

The wiki says 7 but they don't have any sources to back up that number.

[waxen mesa]

Target #1 would be emperors and executors

[pale cedar]

Some have walked these desolate worlds while you have slept. Some like me. I remember what you did. I remember the day.
The Tenno appeared at the Terminus, gleaming and victorious. Our cold and gold Emperors, breathless, bathed you in savior's silk. Then came the sound. Across all our worlds, all at once, the ceremonial Naga drums. A royal salute to the honored Tenno. Ten solemn beats to declare the suffering was over. I watched from a distance, with the rest of the low Guardians. With each beat terror began to crush my throat. The Tenno were not stoic and silent. They were waiting. They were poised. I tried to call out but only a strangled whisper escaped.

When the ninth beat rang a torrent of blood filled the stadium, loosed by Tenno blades. The drums, the Empire, fell silent forever.

Now I hunt, dividing your numbers. Watching from that dark place, cataloging your sins, I am the ghost of retribution. You may forget but you are not innocent.

[waxen mesa]

granted a few executors got away but...not for long

[strange plinth]

we know there are multiple and nothing else
that's likely a leftover from when we thought executors = emperors

[eager briar]

Why is albrecht in tau and not duviri with Wally? Did Wally just make a pitstop in tau leave albrecht there and head to duviri?

[eager dragon]

Correct. The reason the night of the naga drums happened in the celebration for the conclusion of the Old War is that it was a rare event were the Emperors came out to the public.

[eager dragon]

We don't know yet why he's in Tau.

[pale cedar]

Ballas planned it anyway

[strange plinth]

why would albrecht go to duviri again?

[eager briar]

because that’s where Wally went after the hex quest so he presumably brought albrecht with him?

considering both disappeared

[waxen mesa]

I gotta say Wally is really bad at keeping secrets

[pale cedar]

All executors except Ballas were killed during the Naga Drums event the ones who did get away were hunted and killed

[waxen mesa]

Try to save the Hex and Wally goes "NO DON'T! I mean not that I care but you really shouldn't do that. I don't care tho, I swear."

Try to go to Tau and wally goes "I still don't care but i'm throwing everything I have at you to stop you from doing it."

rule of thumb, If Wally doesn't want us to do it it's probably a good idea to do it

[strange plinth]

albrecht's going to tau, presumably, wally will probably follow him there
wally's vengeful and wanted to strike at drifter, though

[waxen mesa]

For a guy who represents emotionlessness he sure does get angry

[strange plinth]

"none of this matters"
"then why are you trying so hard to stop me?"

[pale cedar]

Indifference isn’t emotionless

[waxen mesa]

I think that was the whole point of Duviri, but we can just agree to disagree

[pale cedar]

It’s just not caring about a certain thing

[normal mountain]

...unless he's tricking us, and he actually wants us to get there

[waxen mesa]

No emotions = indifference/apathy

[pale cedar]

Wally has shown what he is and isn’t Indifferent to

[strange plinth]

Indifference is what he does, not what he is

[eager briar]

Indifference and lack of motion are closely related, but not the same thing. It would still be indifference if the anger was directed at literal everything, but since the anger is directed specifically to us, then it is in fact, not indifference.

[eager dragon]

Well, we don't have confirmation for all of them. If I'm remembering right, we know that Tuvul, Avantus, Karishh, and (I think) Scarne died.

I may be wrong about Tormis, but we definitly don't know if Nitokh died.

[ocean geyser]

Why would he be in Duviri??

Albrecht went there himself

[strange plinth]

Tuvul, Avantus, and Karishh died during the drums or the collapse. Ballas died after. no data on the other 3

[pale cedar]

Until they show up alive then being dead is the safest assumption

[ocean geyser]

That’s the whole point of the “Tau is in sight” thing he says in 1999

[gentle isle]

i can only assume the energy from the nuke would have been one way to open a way to tau? but he had another plan if the drifter didn't comply

[ocean geyser]

Alright i see that’s already been pointed out, my bad
But
You literally SEE Albrecht before the reactor explodes

That’s not Wally
That’s HIM

[ocean geyser]

So i feel like you might be misremembering the end of the quest since he shows up, shoots Amir, shoots us
Goes “Tau is in sight” and offers to bring us

Then when we state we’re gonna save the hex, he explains we can’t “Unless you know them”
Then he leaves and we take control of the time loop

The only way I can understand why you think this is if you thought that was Wally the entire time

[fast dew]

The only time we see wally as Albrecht in the hex is the interrogation, and maybe 'him' on the zariman

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[dark compass]

He really wants to get to tau...

Can only wonder what sort of weird thing is hidden there (the weird radiation stuff)

[tall echo]

His emergency lex ammo stash

[dark compass]

His lex incarnon adapter

[tall echo]

Nah I stole that

[restive river]

If he’s somehow aware of that he may be trying to recreate what Rell did but more permanent

[dark compass]

And seal Wally in there lol

[narrow pendant]

i mean thats just the ascaris prime

[dark compass]

[narrow pendant]

i believe thats where the radiation was used for

[strange plinth]

the ascaris allows remote controlling of a frame, not necessarily trapping the tenno inside it

[narrow pendant]

"look what my ascaris did to one of your warframes, what happened to its operator can happen to you too"

theyre trapped in there removed from any control

[gentle isle]

yup

[reef radish]

What exactly makes an Orokin an Orokin? Are they born into it? Are they selected by existing Orokin? Can a non-Orokin human work their way into becoming Orokin?

[pale cedar]

Yes yes and yes

[fleet furnace]

orokin empire worked on a caste system from what i understand, orokin were everyone of a certain level and up, and had access to all the orokin things

[pale cedar]

There’s examples of being born into it

Son and Daughter

There’s an example of earning the title even if not wanting to be Orokin, see Ordan Karris

Even Orokin can rank up in the Orokin ranks

[eager dragon]

Yeah, although regarding the "earning" part, unless there is something else I'm not aware of, we don't actually know how... serious of a proposition that was, I suppose?

Like, I find it very likely that by "becoming Orokin" they actually meant just becoming a Yuvan.

[jolly root]

Yuvan?

[reef radish]

Body for an existing Orokin to continuity into

[pale cedar]

Just telling a person they can body swapis enough to be considered Orokin

[dark compass]

They are "immortal" by the means of stealing children and using Kuva to transfer their consciousness into them

[pale cedar]

Getting a Yuvan is a thing only Orokin get

[fleet furnace]

doesnt quite line up with the ordan karris story tho

[jolly root]

Oh

[dark compass]

Something something, release the Tuvul files

[jolly root]

Thanks

[eager dragon]

I meant an Orokin would transfer into him. So his body becomes Orokin, even if his mind gets destroyed.

Especially considering what Roathe said about the Yuvan being an honor, at first.

[dark compass]

There was an entire ceremony with the most fitting children being chosen

One of them was so asinine she became Yareli

[pale cedar]

Nothing says he earned the gift of being a Yuvan

[dark compass]

Executor Tuvul was in charge of the whole thing

[eager dragon]

No, but other than the words of the Orokin there isn't anything saying he would become a full Orokin either.

So we can't be sure of either.

[pale cedar]

Hell Ordan would’ve been a terrible Yuvan because he was sick

[eager dragon]

Considering that the... event that happened after.

[reef radish]

Is that Ordan becoming Ordis or the Night of the Naga Drums?

[pale cedar]

He got turned into a Cephalon after committing a crime against the Orokin

[eager dragon]

Him slaughtering the Orokin, and thus being turned into a cephalon, yes.

[waxen mesa]

If Drifter is in 1999 can Operator be in present

[strange plinth]

yea, no longer sharing the same slot in spacetime

[fleet furnace]

i believe so, i think old peace and 1999 happen at the same time

[stiff beacon]

Yep

[waxen mesa]

I gotta say though. Triad date nights must be...awkward for Operator

can they choose to not see though the void spacetime porthole if they don't want to or is Operator forced to watch Drifter and Marie's date

[normal mountain]

I bet they just take to the Zariman and go for Armageddon

[strange plinth]

depends on if the sanctum is close enough to the void to let them be separate ig
we've seen them separate on the edge, in the Great Indifference, but idk about the sanctum itself

[pale cedar]

They can make thoughts and feelings known doesn’t say they gotta make thoughts and feelings known

[waxen mesa]

"you can do so much better" Operator to Drifter after they start dating Quincy

[ocean geyser]

LMAO

[pale cedar]

I remember Quincy judged my fashion when it’s the Tauron suit after I wanted to tell him he has no fashion sense

[waxen mesa]

Would you call the Corpus "evil" or are only certain branches of the Corpus evil while others are more or less non problematic

[dawn shuttle]

well that'd depend at least partially on your political persuasion 😛

[wind ruin]

There are Corpus endeavors which are not evil. Regular plain old trade, on a fair basis, does exist and is conducted by the Corpus. But then there's a lot of evil exploitation, as witness Alad V, Frohd Bek, and particularly Nef Anyo. Parvos Granum is also evil, but at least recognizes that he has to give back to the community and that the strength of the Corpus depends on there being people with enough money to sell things to.

[waxen mesa]

on a similar note

Do the Grineer trade with the Corpus, or do the Corpus just sell things to the grineer

[woven coyote]

Probably both

Think it was one of the old cordylon episodes that confirmed both factions trade

Maaaybe a codex entry

But would have to double check

[silk atlas]

You see a Corpus merchant in Cetus

[waxen mesa]

I mean Cetus isn't a grineer settlement

[ashen pulsar]

that elite juno crewman you damage capped had a wife and family he was 3 days from retiring

[pale cedar]

A Captain lost their life over a Grineer, Corpus trading deal

[waxen mesa]

I suppose you could say it's Tenno alligned but I'd just call it independent

[waxen mesa]

it's a lot easier to justify mass slaughtering grineer vs corpus

[ashen pulsar]

yeah

[waxen mesa]

Grineer relations are "close friend" at best

Corpus relations are "that was just an actual dude you killed with a family"

[dark compass]

Wdym

[waxen mesa]

he probably didn't even want to be there

[dark compass]

Grineer see each other as family

[pale cedar]

Grineer eat each other while Corpus don’t

[dark compass]

[ashen pulsar]

like you probably slaughter random engineers trying to defend themselves daily

[dark compass]

Expendable family but still family

[waxen mesa]

I suppose but Grineer aren't like...as 'they also have normal lives'. They like fighting and their free time is spent watching fighting

[dark compass]

Maybe they're also playing fighting games

[waxen mesa]

That corpus crewmate you didn't kill went home, ate his wife's dinner, told his kid he loved them, then got transfered to that crewship you blew up

[pale cedar]

Grineer are for the Queens over for my brothers in 99% of cases

[ashen pulsar]

scaldra are a little more evil but it’s still killing people who likely have families, even if they’re bad people for joining the scaldra

[waxen mesa]

This too

Kahl is a special case. most of the grineer he saves are implied to return to the service of the queens

[pale cedar]

They’re taken to SM

[waxen mesa]

Sadomasochist?

[ashen pulsar]

and there are definitely people who were pressured into joining or needed money too

[ashen pulsar]

steel meridian

[dark compass]

I've heard they're finally adding Leekter to Rathuum Fighter 6.

[waxen mesa]

i liked mine better....

[dark compass]

Been weird to see the other gustrag members without him on the roster

[waxen mesa]

but also no. they return to the queens and Kahl says as much

[dark compass]

[waxen mesa]

I don't deny that some of them agree to defect

but Kahl says a lot of the grineer go back to the queens

[ashen pulsar]

who knows what cressa’s into

[pale cedar]

Kahl also says he takes them to SM and where they go from there is up to them

[waxen mesa]

I suppose

i think the Kahl line im referring to is something like. paraphrased slightly

"Blue girl, Why do brothers go back to queens?"

[dark compass]

One of the veiled bosses says that even being affiliated with Kahl is death sentence

I imagine some understand there isn't all that much choice

[waxen mesa]

being affiliated with anyone but corpus/grineer is a death sentence

[dark compass]

I mean him in particular, apparently Kahl is particularly infamous

[ashen pulsar]

and being affiliated with them is a pretty dangerous move too

tenno are out for blood

[dark compass]

One of the veiled grineer bosses says that even talking to Kahl specifically is a death sentence

[pale cedar]

Not being affiliated with the Tenno is a death sentence

[waxen mesa]

I mean veiled people aren't like

100% mind controlled. they can know well enough that if Kahl doesn't free them and it gets found out that the veiled person didn't immediately report him that they'd be killed

[pale cedar]

Not if they don’t find out it wasn’t reported

[waxen mesa]

i mean...yeah? that's what i said lol

[pale cedar]

Kahl also prefers keeping his crew small which is why he never joined SM

[restive river]

Is this ever really specified or

[pale cedar]

Yeah, he says it

[dark compass]

They say it after being unveiled

And recognizing him from that point onward

[odd folio]

Hey just curious, does the community have any common theories or ideas of how Jade and Sorren met? I kinda wanted to do a comic about it, but I want to do it based on what the overall community thinks and not do something that might contradict the lore.

[strange plinth]

all of the detail on their relationship is in the quest and the memory feathers afaik
so not much to contradict there

[strange plinth]

Kahl: "Steel Meridian too big. Worms see them coming. Kahl work better like this. Little group. Like Kubrow pack."

[odd folio]

fair enough, it's pretty vague so I guess I can come up with something

[gentle isle]

Personally I'm still wondering what those legems stalker was concerned about were

[odd folio]

legems?

[pale cedar]

Orokin for law there’s 1000 of em

[gentle isle]

Actually for that matter do we know what any of the orokin legems were

[dark compass]

"Kahl-175. The legend, in the flesh. And he's just a regular tubeman. If you're waiting for me to thank you, forget it. Sprag and I could be executed just for talking to you."

[pale cedar]

We know 7 of em

[strange plinth]

no, just that they forbid that whatever Sorren and Jade were from having children together
-# oh i might be wrong

[odd folio]

I think it was implied that they couldn't even be romantic really. And they kept it a secret, and having a child kind of sealed their death sentence a bit. I got the impression due to being caught they were punished and forcibally turned into warframes

[gentle isle]

I can only guess low guardians couldn't have relationships yea

[odd folio]

Alright, I guess I'll work off from that then

thank you guys

[gentle isle]

The turning into Warframes bit I believe was just a personal touch of cruelty from ballas

I'm calling it now, he saw sorren and Jade and got jealous cuz he wanted that with margulis

God I can't hate that blue shit enough

[strange plinth]

no one can

[odd folio]

Maybe. But then it begs the question- did anyone who had relationships get turned into warframes? Why them specifically to be spited personally by Ballas? I think there was something unique about both of them.
The fact that Jade possessed the Jade energy that is this strange powerful energy is really interesting to me, because it kind of implies she had it too when she was human- hence her name.

[pale cedar]

Imagine thinking there’s a limit to blue guy hate

[tall echo]

No

[strange plinth]

Jade was not her original name, though, iirc
one of the memory feathers, i'll find it

[tall echo]

It was

But not bc she had jade light powers, ballas gave her those

[odd folio]

right that's what I mean, I doubt every person who had been caught having a relationship was turned into a warframe.

Ah, I didn't know Ballas gave that to her

this is good I brought this up

[pale cedar]

Jade wasn’t the original frames name iirc it’s Jade who picked that name

[odd folio]

So in otherwords, Sorren's memories can't remember her real name?

But that's strange, because that means he knew her as a warframe

but he didn't (or rather, didn't remember her when he saw her as one)

[pale cedar]

Infestation does have a habit of messing with memories

[gentle isle]

No he did not

[strange plinth]

Memory Feather 05
"BATTLEFIELD. THARSIS.
There is a child in my head. Not you, my love. Some battle-shattered thing, a ghost, a dream. She calls me by a name I do not choose."

[odd folio]

That's right, I forgot about that

thank you for bringing that up

[strange plinth]

ah wait no the voice of sorren does refer to her as jade during the quest nvm

[gentle isle]

Yea he calls her jade

[odd folio]

right, but he might be filling in his memories with what he knows

[ocean geyser]

There certainly were people who insisted Jade was her warframe name and not her real one

[odd folio]

like he might have learned the warframe is Jade but didn't remember who she was

[odd folio]

lol I'm up for either, just wanna be lore accurate ^^;

[burnt blade]

Whats the lore behind saryn if there's any, or a video on her perhaps?

[strange plinth]

she has a prime trailer

[ocean geyser]

Ballas hit a blunt and went “fight poison with poison”

[pale cedar]

Margulis… from your winter ashes, there has sprung a field of flowers. Conceived by me, germinated for deadly purpose.

You used to dream of old Earth, didn't you? Bathed in gold and solemn blue. I intend to reclaim it now, from the spores and the ruin. It came to me, like a proverb: fight poison with… poison.

Cure this sick horde with the greatest of plagues.

I will call her… Saryn.

[burnt blade]

Real Shakespeare he was

[ocean geyser]

Ballas certainly was a fella
Make a toxic magic woman in honour of his dead “lover”

[strange plinth]

not even mentioning khora, who shares the same inspiration

[restive river]

He did have to still make them weapons cause
That’s what frames are

[pale cedar]

None of them truly understands how much I lost, when I lost her. Nor by what subtle art my dead love now lives, within another's gleaming skull.

So tonight, we shall celebrate. In her honour, and mine, I shall unveil a new creation. A harmony of mistress… and monster.

An apex predator. A deathless companion. Unsurpassed. Blood-raw in whip, claw, and fang.

Khora.

[restive river]

But dang dude

[strange plinth]

do you just have these on hand lmao

[ocean geyser]

Two very different ways of commemorating Margulis it seems

[burnt blade]

Lmfao

[restive river]

Three if you include Lotus

[burnt blade]

Thought I ask here instead of gc

[ocean geyser]

Although Khora seems to have resulted from him starting to defect

[pale cedar]

Archives got em all and I have it saved

[restive river]

This is the best place in this server to ask about lore

[strange plinth]

fair enough

[ocean geyser]

Although going for “haha cat lady with whip” is

A choice

[restive river]

Immortal cat

If the Orokin wanted immortality why didn’t they continuity into Venari smh

[pale cedar]

We are losing this war," you say. You whisper that my warframes are too genteel.

Very well. Away with chivalry. Let us have monsters.

The law of club and belly, hunger and smoke. Beasts of cave and glut.

I spread for you a cannibal feast. A toast, to the valour of mere appetite! You tremble, but the drool is on your chins. For you birthed him, in all his innocent obscenity.

This is what you ordered.

Grendel.

[ocean geyser]

I guess it shows how Ballas hardly understood Margulis if he decided poison and lady with a whip was reasonable enough
Margulis does NOT give off the vibes of either of those frames
Maybe he was snorting Kuva

[ocean geyser]

Now I’m just imagining cat ballas

[pale cedar]

I don’t think Ballas was happy

What fatherless aberration is this? Who brings the wicked gift of an unknown mask this Naberus night?

Seething with the Void, mocking me and causality alike! And what strange cruelty named him, to know and defy his death?

This shadow of ill omen. This grim harbinger.

This… Revenant.

[ocean geyser]

Ballas getting pressed because of Revenant existing is always funny

[pale cedar]

Of all our sleek gargoyles, our Void-borne masquerade, how to honour the one who volunteered willingly, knowing the truth? Whose little act of courage twinkled like a petty Ayatan before our golden indifference?

And Nihil cried 'Glass her, for her presumption!' until the arches rang with laughter.

So be it. I shall encase you in crystal most fine. That the purity of your stimatisation might shard the sunlight itself.

The unbroken.

Gara

[river condor]

So is Prime frame the proto frame that they then mass produce to normal ver?
Or was they are normal frame but orokin upgrade it for the war?

[ocean geyser]

A classic

[ocean geyser]

Both simultaneously

Some frames were primes from the start
Others were not

[strange plinth]

primes and regular, in 90% of cases, existed at the same time. the prime is just fancy
they're all made for war
the actual protoframes are separate entirely

[pale cedar]

Primes were reserved for the Prime Vanguard

[river condor]

Ic ic

[hidden cove]

So with the way time travel works, in the 'real' timeline the Hex never got the Protoframe serum, probably never formed in the first place and likely got wiped out by Techrot and nukes, right? 1999 is just a time pocket, taking place in that point in time, but not affecting the real past. Is that correct?

[silk atlas]

It affects the real past. That's why the Coda exists

[waxen mesa]

so what's up with the sentients and song

Adis sung to heal

Lotus sings to repel the indifference

[strange plinth]

real past, but yea. the "original" timeline wouldn't have protos, and the reactor maybe didn't explode
palimpset of spacetime duviri tablet
"events can be rewritten, traces of the original remain"

[dawn shuttle]

maybe they just like singing

[strange plinth]

iirc there's a comment about praghasa singing too?
might be making that up though
pazuul also mentions it when talking about lifting natah from the manifold

[silk atlas]

The Sentients sing a lot

[waxen mesa]

The reactor not blowing up doesn't affect the future.

The techrot still escape Hollvania and the radiation wars still kick off

The past doesn't matter a whole lot as the Orokin more or less gave humanity a clean slate

[dawn shuttle]

Alad V goes to 1999 and makes Amalgam On-Lyne. thoughts?

[strange plinth]

horrific /s

[dawn shuttle]

this will be sentient liches

trust

[waxen mesa]

Alad V doesn't get the joke. Calls them Amalglyne.

I wouldn't be surprised if in the alt-history On-Lyne was the first online band

quick google says the IRL first online band as 1994/5

[jolly root]

Im not sure i am curious about it though

[wise quiver]

I'm pretty sure that if DE does protoframes with the tau release Caliban is going to be one of them.

I could see Caliban and Qorvex.

[lilac aspen]

Clearly they do a surprise move and use Warframes that have no involvement with Sentients in anyway

[sour notch]

Who are the duviri people and what's their relation with the orokin?

[fast dew]

They're manifestations of people from a book written by an orokin.

Thats it

[sour notch]

How did that book become real?

[fleet furnace]

drifter and void shenanigans

conceptual embodiment i think the term is, basically drifter, stuck on the zariman willed duviri into existance (also how we get the incarnon adaptors too)

[strange plinth]

consciousness (though particularly emotions) + void = a thing
in this case, drifter focused on the Book About Keeping Your Emotions In Check so much that they accidentally made it manifest in the void

[fast dew]

Irony

[fleet furnace]

Thrax Centurions/Thrax Legates: Semi-formed manifestations of Orokin-era Grineer soldiers.
huh, never noticed that, also on this exact topic:
Duviri: A strange kingdom within the Void, manifested by the Drifter from the "Tales of Duviri" storybook by Euleria Entrati, as an escape from the traumatic Zariman accident. Its inhabitants, such as Dominus Thrax, were also manifested by the Drifter.

[fast dew]

It was written by Mother!

Probably in response to her father conceptually embodying a mf

[gentle isle]

Conceptual embodiment

[sour notch]

Why was the stalker designed in the first place? Was he like a normal frame like the others or did he serve a specific role like anti warframe units built by the orokin to fight the wild warframes?

[fleet furnace]

jade shadows i believe sheds light on this, if you havent played it yet

[gentle isle]

Have you played up to Jade shadows

[silk atlas]

Play Jade Shadows

[strange plinth]

3 hit combo

[fleet furnace]

lol

[sour notch]

I did play the quest but it was a long time ago and I forgor everything lol

I only remember that the green annoying eximus came out in the same update

[gentle isle]

Think of stalker as similar to excal umbra

[fleet furnace]

sorren(stalker) and jade were in love, despite not being allowed to, ballas found out and turned both into warframes, is the short of it

[strange plinth]

stalker got turned into a warframe as punishment, his abilities are probably more connected to his duties as a Low Guardian than anything

[fast dew]

[fleet furnace]

something thats been on my mind, can the operator survive in a vacuum, outside of their warframe?

[gentle isle]

Well we wouldn't die

It would probably hurt a lot

Btw why isn't angels of the zariman replayable

It's been how long?

[fleet furnace]

4 years or so? but isnt angels a glorified tutorial for the zariman missions?

[gentle isle]

I could say the same for whispers or the hex but those are replayable

[fast dew]

Whispers is currently not replayable if you want your game to function

[strange plinth]

hey its only the sanctum that breaks

[fleet furnace]

those also have a bit of lore and whatnot, a better comparison is the vox solaris quest

[gentle isle]

Another reminder we're not getting pre-new war fortuna back

[fast dew]

whispers is a very tutorial esque update but it does serve purpose than that

[gentle isle]

Anyways I'll chalk up lack of angels replayability to eternal beta woes

[sour notch]

So he worked as a bodyguard to the orokin?

What about uriel? What was his purpose?

[gentle isle]

You'll learn a bit more about Uriel if you talk to roathe

[strange plinth]

don't think uriel had a specific purpose beyond 'cause issues for the sentients'
which is most warframes

[sour notch]

Will do

Is there a channel or a video that explains lore?

[strange plinth]

not really. most loretubers aren't great

victims of outdated info at best, actively putting in their own headcanon as canon at worst

[fast dew]

-# insert several dumb misconceptions

[loud oriole]

-# -insert roathes kim chat about eternalism-

[fleet furnace]

orokin archives a decent spot for warframe lore right? wonder if its up to date. warframe wiki probably has some of that aswell

[lean garden]

-# you are now wally

[fast dew]

Yeah, they're pretty good

[strange plinth]

mhm
website is a little out of date (up to the hex iirc) but the channel is a bit barren

[gentle isle]

Probably the most reliable lore source is that old PC in the sanctum anatomica

Recaps everything up to whispers

[sour notch]

Sounds good

[gentle isle]

Should be by loid, give it a read

[fast dew]

Warframe wiki should still be taken with a grain of salt, no source = debatably canon/untrue, just be cautious

[lean garden]

the authorship of the Pom-2 is still contested

on account of everyone we know being all stasised up

[fast dew]

I like to think its necramites

[fleet furnace]

only person i could think of would be necraloid, maybe not conciously but one of his precepts being to keep track of things, but even then im not sure

[fast dew]

Maybe they're the results of ||necralization?||

[gentle isle]

Or maybe the cavia

Nah who am I kidding can we really put it past Albrecht to not build a semi-sentient 1999 era shitbox

[normal mountain]

Can we call it Gladis?

[fast dew]

That he probably stole too 💔

[fleet furnace]

true, a cephalon whos entire purpose is to keep track of current events for the sequence (partly why i think its necraloid since he already has the programming for the sequence itself hidden away)

[gentle isle]

Old man dumpster diving for old ass PC parts, what an image

[fast dew]

I mean, how else did he get several of them? The atomicycles, the cars in the toob, all the shit in the netracells

[normal mountain]

Gold
Orokin bathe in it, I'm sure

[gentle isle]

Now I'm wondering when was the last time Albrecht showered

Dudes gonna be filthy once we find him

[strange plinth]

-# ya think he stole that train in whispers?

[fast dew]

He probably doesnt that often

[fast dew]

Yeah but you can't just trade solid gold for a motorbike 😭

[fast dew]

It would be a hijacking at the very least

[normal mountain]

He probably converts it to Hollars first
Maybe

Or maybe he overpays

[dark compass]

Speaking of wiki and necramites

Rip the whole paragraph on their own unique damage attenuation that they had for absolutely no reason. It even had formulas, complex graphs and everything

Since it got removed with Undermind

Some evil things those were

[fast dew]

:(

[dark compass]

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Necramite?oldid=2695179

For anyone curious, the old version of the page

https://tenor.com/view/jeff-goldblum-jurassic-park-whether-gif-23033116

[copper nebula]

why is the cetus tower made of meat?

[fast dew]

Dear god lmao

[dark compass]

Everyone talks about damage attenuation

Damage quantization

But not about the bucket decay

[proper barn]

I'm glad they dont anymore.

It was dumb.

[gentle isle]

You'd be surprised how much orokin tech contains meat

[silk atlas]

Same reason most of their stuff is made from meat: Sentients can't hack meat

[gentle isle]

Now I'm kinda curious about what orokin tech looked like before the sentients

[dark compass]

They had an ai uprising even before Sentients, they were ready for hacking even before.

So we're gonna need to dig even deeper

[loud oriole]

playing war sector on my Brisket powered PC

[proper barn]

Idk if that's true. It seems more any AI could be infected with the infestation.

And that's why that avoid it.

[proper barn]

Like they made a chat bot in 1999 to replace a boyband and they turned into the Coda.

[stray herald]

Watching biboo’s stream rn, why did ballas want to go to tau in the new war

[silk atlas]

He was baby raging that the Tenno weren't under his thumb

[stray herald]

But why go to tau at all if he was raging at the tenno?

[silk atlas]

Let everyone die so he can just find someplace else to control entirely

[stray herald]

Oh cool

[silk atlas]

He's not exactly being rational at that moment

[gentle isle]

Yea towards the end he was ready to die along with everyone else out of pure spite

"all you full up enough with death?"

Shoving the blame for literally everything onto lotus 💀

Ok ball ass

[jolly root]

Awe cute

Ill get my umbra revamped and ready to kill him against

[brittle siren]

Btw, without the sun, every planet in the system will no longer follow its orbit and gradually flow away from their original point, destroying everything in the process

Just a fun fact

[stray herald]

Ik that

[crystal pendant]

i am really curious on the giant warframe statue in the earth relay, is there any lore behind it? what frame is it

[brittle siren]

Just a statue

Ember statue

Mercury has Hydroid, Maroo’s have Oberon

[stray herald]

Witness, butt of ember

[proper barn]

There is also a Rhino one.

[strange plinth]

its kinda symbolic of a phoenix ig, rising from the ashes with the pyrus project or something
or its entirely meaningless idk

[brittle siren]

Where is it btw

[brittle siren]

Ngl, if Ember has a rework, she should have Phoenix theme

Though tbh her design is really not that “Phoenix”

[proper barn]

Ember. I think that's the one we rebuilt.

[drowsy saddle]

Aren't her helmets bird themed?

[slate basin]

Can someone explain to me why Kaya can't take other protoframes with her to visit the present timeline, maybe take a stroll in Larunda with her

[strange plinth]

based on the bits of the process we do know, she's directly hijacking our void travel. probably can't take others with her when doing this, whether its a limitation of using her abilities in this way or if there's another method she's using that can only send her

[dawn shuttle]

Temporal archimedea involves some strange time travel or at least something adjacent, no? And that can bring at least vel and minerva

[strange plinth]

not much more than the loop is already doing iirc, but i'll have to look at the quotes to be sure

[dawn shuttle]

But maybe for the proper time jump like she does you need to be the chosen one or something :)

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah that's fair, i recall her talking about something of the sort in the missions at least

Maybe jumping all the way to the future would mess up a non-nova protoframe, they probably have less resilience to freak stuff like that than full frames do, and nova even as a proto is probably better adapted to portals at least

[slate basin]

still waiting on that claymore Domestik drone amir chucked into a portal to show up somewhere kek

[brittle siren]

Why Rhino eat ppl in his prime story

[strange plinth]

deus ex claymore drone

[strange plinth]

madness or something, felt like it

[slate basin]

we'd be fighting wally and losing but it comes to save the day, beautiful

[drowsy jasper]

rhino orr grendel

[slate basin]

rhino

[drowsy jasper]

shiid

he fat too so

[strange plinth]

nah its rhino. rhino prime's codex has him eat a guy :)

[slate basin]

fat?

[brittle siren]

The beast squats down, shovelling a heap of gore into its mouth. It is watching me with vague eyes, a sense of recognition, ancestral memory. It knows who I am and what I've done

[slate basin]

rhino?

[drowsy jasper]

grendel 😭

[brittle siren]

Rhino heirloom is peak muscular man build

[slate basin]

grendel looks more like a rhino than Rhino does

[brittle siren]

Hater will say the skin ugly

[brittle siren]

Excal look like a Rhino too

[strange plinth]

seems like a lot of her archimedea dialogue is about machines detecting stuff and peely pix bleeding through the loops rather than any time travel she's doing herself

[drowsy jasper]

mid

peak male physique is fit

[strange plinth]

then call me a hater he should've been buffer
thin arms

[brittle siren]

Those arms are not thin what 😭

Ok I get your point

[strange plinth]

compare the arms on his model to the arms on the prex card, they're so much thinner
proportions are off

[brittle siren]

It does look like he skip arm day

Still

He looks good

I would love to see bigger arms too

[drowsy jasper]

you're kinda right

[drowsy jasper]

just use nicki

i meant hildryn

[brittle siren]

I don't like females (not hatingthem, it's just that they are not my reference)

[dawn shuttle]

hmm i wonder what i was thinking of then.. i had "the site of your temporal injection" in my head but i know that's from loid's message after beating the hex

[drowsy jasper]

like female frames??

[brittle siren]

female in general

because I'm gay

[dawn shuttle]

holy peak

warframe misogyny!!!

[proper barn]

He's more oni.

Or boar demon.

[proper barn]

Idk

Of that counts as that.

[dawn shuttle]

nah im just kidding :)

[proper barn]

Lul

[spice moth]

I got a question, is "Great despair" the one sang by actual On-lyne and "Party of your lifetime" is the one sang by the infested On-lyne clones?

[proper barn]

Party of your life time was made by the On-Lyne boys. Just the record company was trying to replace them.

And thus accidentally made the coda.

@spice moth like from what we know they didn't do in person interviews instead of On-Lyne until after they got to hollvaina so they probably didn't make any music i would think.

[dawn shuttle]

The Great Despair is also more void related/themed than infestation related like Party Of Your Lifetime is

Make of that what you will, not sure it implies anything

[restive river]

We did unlock it after finishing the ARG which concluded with a “thanks kiddo”

In trying to gain access to 1999 we just helped him get access lmao

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah i guess so, huh

Maybe big al shouldnt have left his phone on the subway

[drowsy jasper]

so that makes u not like female frames?

[dawn shuttle]

Warframe players only pick frames based on attractiveness, this is known

[brittle siren]

kinda, I'm not into them, still like some of them though, like Valkyr Heirloom or Oraxia

[proper barn]

@spice moth the last like thing we get about the Coda is in December 1999 about them being able to replace them in audio interviews.

I just don't think they could have like made a album in a month i guess?

[swift gyro]

If kaya managed to go to the future, what stops her from taking the 1999 gang too? is limited or too hard?

[strange plinth]

^ someone else had the same question earlier

[swift gyro]

oh thx. also, the final upate will be like kaya taking everyone from year 0 till the present and even dark sector and eveyone beating the wally and albrecht while saying we are the warframe

https://tenor.com/view/umbra-gif-19388422

[drowsy jasper]

how can i pick Ballas

[swift gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/piccolo-speed-ishowspeed-please-i-need-this-trying-not-to-laugh-gif-17435075734837336896

[fast dew]

Wally moment

[dawn shuttle]

I don't know if there's much left of him to pick..

[fast dew]

They can pick him up from the sun ig

[dawn shuttle]

I guess he did appear pretty heat-resistant, yeah

[brittle siren]

I wonder how Sentient on Earth able to become eidolon, while others can't

(beside Natah ofc)

[dawn shuttle]

What's the consensus on Ropalolyst being an eidolon?

[pale cedar]

We have 0 info in if the turkey became an Eidolon after the fight

[dawn shuttle]

But it is decidedly not one before it then?

[lean garden]

well given that the rolypoly isnt a zombie sentient

[dawn shuttle]

I recall there being discussion about this years ago

[lean garden]

no

[dawn shuttle]

Ah, this must be why people discussed it

[brittle siren]

Technically, Ropalolyst is more like Frankenstein's monster

[violet storm]

We have little idea what the Ropalolyst is

[brittle siren]

Archon are the closest to the Eidolon since they also raise from the dead

[brittle siren]

it could be just a giant amalgam

[violet storm]

I wonder just what the tau sentients are gonna be like

[brittle siren]

and Alad may use warframe tech for it too

[brittle siren]

well they are blue, unless you mean Hunhow side of Sentient

which not really different (not until Tau came out and bring new kind)

[fast dew]

Mm, I wonder if the whole mimicking thing has like

Messed up bcs they're mimicking each other, for mimic sentients

If they're on Tau

[brittle siren]

My theory is the mimic was design by Ballas, since he kinda affected the creation of Natah

[pale cedar]

Nah, she was always a mimic

[rotund swallow]

Is every warframe a different entity or it's just "armors" for the player character?

And who i the player character

I'm new to the game and I'm curious abt that

[drowsy saddle]

Are you interested in spoilers? Have you done the Second Dream quest?

[rotund swallow]

Oh well then if the story gonna explain later I don't want to know nvm

[drowsy saddle]

The Second Dream and The Sacrifice will answer your questions

[brittle siren]

Wait so why he made a whole bp page about her though

[dark compass]

Warframe: Secret of The Mimic

[pale cedar]

He reprogrammed her later is why

She was already a mimic

Ballas added the Margulis stuff

[brittle siren]

I kinda want to know what is she looks like before having a human form

[dark compass]

Isn't that what the skin is for

[pale cedar]

Natah skin is the closest you'll get

[brittle siren]

no like full on Sentient

[drowsy saddle]

Natah skin but with instead of the faux lotus face?

[brittle siren]

not having Lotus head shape and human body inside

[dark compass]

Natah skin with the Adis face instead

Look

Vomvalysts are obviously skulls

The real face is this

[drowsy saddle]

They're extra wrinkly

[dark compass]

They have more volume and less jagged edges

[brittle siren]

Am I weird to said "would" to Adis without the mask

[dark compass]

I definitely think Vomvalysts are meant to be straight up floating sentient skulls with this context

[dark compass]

He is a child, I think

[dawn shuttle]

yeah

[brittle siren]

also isn't this part is her real head?

[dark compass]

Pretty sure you are correct, now that I think about it

But the fact Adis is a child aside, I think I can see where you're coming from design wise

There's also Dactolyst with the same sort of face

[strange turtle]

He is

[dawn shuttle]

i mean if you play the quest it's pretty obvious

[dark compass]

I'm saying "I think" as a habit

Yeah, he is a child

[dawn shuttle]

that means you are!

[dark compass]

What if ... I don't

[dawn shuttle]

then you are not!

[brittle siren]

While mention Adis, I wonder if an android was made to looks like a adult, act like adult, and it just been created like a day ago, do we consider it a child or an adult?

[dark compass]

Depends on emotional intelligence I guess

[brittle siren]

I mean if we consider Hunhow and Praghasa age during Old War/Peace, chance are, they are still really young in age

[brittle siren]

yeah that matter the most

[dark compass]

You do have to remember that they were on a whole voyage to tau that took a long while and multiple ships to eventually get there

They developed culture, songs, had "children"

Established themselves as people who are opposed to orokin

It definitely took them a while

The whole voyage to tau already took a while

[brittle siren]

ah wait, did Sentient go to Tau first or they only exist after Zariman 10-0 incident?

[dark compass]

There were unmanned ships to tau before Sentients as well

[strange turtle]

Sentients

[dark compass]

And Sentients came first, yes

[brittle siren]

hm interesting

so Zariman 1-X is after Sentient right?

[drowsy saddle]

Aren't the terraforming structures on perita called zarimans?

[strange turtle]

Yeah, they’re an earlier part of the Zariman project, worldseeders/terraformers that got tugged by unmanned ships

Presumably they arrived first because they didn’t have to stop to deal with setting up the Pylons and could just go full throttle towards Tau

[opaque zenith]

No idea, we know the 10-0 was after because of the duvir zariman tablet "Who is constructing the Extrasolar Rail between Pluto and Tau? A. An elite group of loyal servants of the Seven" (which implies the 10-0 did the jump after the sentients got made, but before the rail was completed). But idk about the others unmanned ones

[drowsy saddle]

This is beginning to feel like fnaf, DE is placing more and more events between existing events we know of

[golden raptor]

is venari prime and regular venari 2 different cats

[drowsy saddle]

They're... Both kavats?

[opaque zenith]

Tbf, we forgot all, so they can do that. And it's not reeeaaaly major "rewrite-all-stuff-know add-on", like, there was an extra frame on the murder night, the infestation is old but still got reserched and contained kinda, there was a short peace which of course didn't land, etc

But I agree the ice will get more thin with every adition, risking giving up more and more as time goes on

[drowsy saddle]

Hopefully it remains just:

1.Sentients get sent to Tau

2. Zariman 10-0 goes poof

3. Sentients find xenoflora and old war pt.1 happens

4. Warframes were built then shelved

5. Zariman 10-0 returns

6. Old Peace happens

7. Old war pt.2 Electric boogaloo happens

8. Margulis gets blasted and natah infiltrates

9. Tenno victory and naga drums

10. Moon goes poof

[eager briar]

Have we been able to figure out any common voidtongue besides mara lohk meaning tenno

[opaque zenith]

There's EleanorRank6Convo9 and the Whispers bandcamp playlist. Otherwise, contextual suggestions at most

[drowsy saddle]

Even then, Mara Lohk is specifically Void Child

[eager briar]

Which is used to describe the tenno because they are like the only being in the origin system that fit that description

[tall echo]

Mara lohk is untranslated

[tall echo]

All of the requiem words, ka- being used to mean opposite (xata=truth, kaxata=lie/falsehood)

[eager briar]

Cool beans

[tall echo]

Me when I spread misinformation

[drowsy saddle]

Me when void tongue

[tall echo]

We don't know what mara means

[drowsy saddle]

Isn't it the name of the stand in tenno from the cutscenes

[tall echo]

Yes

But it has no confirmed translation

[tall echo]

..did you really laugh react yourself?

[opaque zenith]

[dawn shuttle]

that's badass

[drowsy saddle]

Discord is being laggy thinking my finger is double tapping the comment

[dawn shuttle]

just own it, its peak

[tall echo]

Aa yea, you can turn that stupid function off

[drowsy saddle]

I keep getting heart attacks im going to accidentally call someone because discord shows their profile while im flicking through channels

[tall echo]

Relatable

[dawn shuttle]

theyre gonna move the call button to where some other muscle memory is, like they did before with search on mobile

[lean garden]

yea

[golden raptor]

when i subsume khora, do i subsume venari as well

[lean garden]

I dont think you can keep venari as a companion

but as to whether that means venari gets eaten by the wall...

[dawn shuttle]

venari actually just chills in the helminth mouth

trust

[lean garden]

I mean, realistically the only thing that changed in recent times is the addition of 6 and 7, but really theyre just 1 point

[strange turtle]

An interview with DE’s writers confirmed that it was Sentients, then the Zariman got started out of impatience

[opaque zenith]

Cool, another interview I missed. Not doubting but can you sent a link? Cause I wanna read this interview too

[strange turtle]

Idr the site and can’t find the link quickly, but I’ve got the relevant screenshot while I look

[normal mountain]

Zahriman

[opaque zenith]

Cool, so Tuvul was a impatient prick who gambled +millions lives for a speedrun tentative. Gotta love the Orokin fr

[brittle siren]

Warframe lore be like

[strange turtle]

Not Nihil

He’s the Glassmaker, the executioner in charge of the Cephalon Program

[opaque zenith]

Whoops

[dawn shuttle]

It was darvo actually

[strange turtle]

I always knew something was up with him

[dawn shuttle]

Acolytes be like "the orokin Darvo Deal is our target" or whatever

[tall echo]

Darvo bek

[proper barn]

I mean even the sentients where like one of many attempts at going to Tau.

[stiff isle]

does the night of the naga drums take place before or after the old peace in lore

[woven coyote]

Old peace* and after

[stiff isle]

So we were asleep for that and wont get a quest for it?

[woven coyote]

Unknown, maybe if it becomes relevant to present plot

The original objective for us revisiting the old peace was finding something related to albrecht

Lotus was about to say his name before loid cut her off

We can only wait and see for now

[coral mirage]

Also Vidja references all over the place

[waxen mesa]

I assume we were not asleep. Margulis put us into cryosleep but still attached us to a warframe just to hide us from being punished for...you know...killing people

attempted assassination of an executor is NOT a good look

[fleet furnace]

that and treason, given that were technically why the treaty was broken

[waxen mesa]

can it even be called treason? i mean the executors can call it whatever they want be like

but like. weren't all of the executors in on the whole 'kill sentients' plan

[strange plinth]

4, including ballas and nitokh, were voting for war at the end
3, including scarne, were probably still going for peace

[fleet furnace]

ballas needed a fallguy and we drew the short straw

would look bad if ballas broke it himself, so tricking someone else into breaking it saves his arse

[waxen mesa]

what i dont get is

look bad to who? the emperor(s)

[fleet furnace]

probably the other executors

[restive river]

The rest of the Orokin, the executors, the emperors (if they even cared)

[fleet furnace]

ballas probably has an image that hes worked hard to maintain and directly breaking the treaty would hurt that image

[restive river]

The Orokin def care about how others view them, wanting to be seen as gods n all that

[restive river]

Exactly this
Like it largely wouldn’t matter but it’s about that image

It’s called the vain faith for a reason

[pale cedar]

Whoever decided asymmetry looks cool deserves to be shot

[waxen mesa]

i suppose if an executor wanted peace Ballas would be putting a target on his head if he publically undermined peace

[fleet furnace]

others would be less likely to work with him if he was known to openly backstab them

[pale cedar]

He made you do it anyway

[fleet furnace]

tricked us into it, and made us the scapegoat, he gets what he wants, and gets away with it

[restive river]

A scapegoat that he can’t even punish cause mom stepped in

[fleet furnace]

which probably factored into him having her killed too

[restive river]

I mean it very much so did

We even knew she’d be killed for this

She knew too

Idk if Ballas expected it but he still allowed her death to happen

[fleet furnace]

i mean, he did resent her for loving us more than him

and then with marg out of the way, he can put natah in her place without us ever knowing, allowing him to eliminate the tenno and backstab the rest of the empire

[restive river]

He would resent her for having a snack she loved

[restive river]

Surprise! Natah wanted to be a mom (we’re cool kids)

[fleet furnace]

ballas "REEEEEEEEEEEEEEE" lol

[restive river]

Seriously though if she said she “loved” anything he’d probably throw a fit lmao

His love was real til it quickly turned to obsession

[fleet furnace]

sounds like something ballas would do

[waxen mesa]

Ballas: Natah your job is to mimic someone who loves damaged children

Natah: got it, I love damaged children

Ballas: as a joke right?

Natah: ...

Ballas: As a joke right?

Hunhow: Jokes on YOU Ballas she works for me, right Natah?

Lotus: ....

[restive river]

Kills his partner just to replace her with a robot that he makes to look exactly like her and think like her
Like who does that lmao

[fleet furnace]

didnt darksied do something similar in one episode of the batman/justice league cartoons (with the exact same end result)?

[restive river]

Idk but I know magic man did basically the same thing; at least the making a robot that looked like his wife thing

Ballas but redeemable

[fleet furnace]

i find it funny that warframe pulls the "we will defeat you WITH THE POWER OF FRIENDSHIP" nonsense and gets away with it

[restive river]

More so the power of love but ye

[strange turtle]

Executors trying to hold Ballas back from using the Jade Light on a piece of cake mid-Tribunal

[waxen mesa]

"Aoi you have to understand. me dating two people at once is critical to defeat the indifference"

[restive river]

Funnily enough with the way DE went about it it should cause more heartbreak than love
Since
Its just cheating and then telling em lmao

[waxen mesa]

my daily complaint that certain character should break up with you during the consent conversation. Arthur and Lettie are vocally against dating two people. idk about Lettie but Arthur blantantly says he can't have feelings for two people at the same time

[restive river]

my daily request they actually put more than an hour of thought into the consent and polycule system, both for this reason as well as the fact it’s just cheating veiled as a polycule and just
Isn’t even a polycule??? They don’t even act like they talk to each other :/

[tall robin]

Ngl what was old peace all about
I just finished it a few days ago
Casually pass by a demon demon warframe
Find out about neat flowers that encourages free thinking

[jaunty oasis]

old peace is about finding memories and getting tauron weapons.
we may have to fight bosses and use tauron weapons in those fights.

[humble sierra]

The Tenno made it to Tau

There was a ceasefire during the Old War as the Sentients discovered Xenoflora, flowers that grew on Perita that when consumed, gave them freedom from the hivemind and individuality

The quest itself is the Operator getting those memories back and discovering they had a best friend, Adis, and the two of them were manipulated into Terraforming Perita and kickstarting the war again

[restive river]

To specify here
The Xenoflora granted individuality to Sentient fragments, which fundamentally act as a Hivemind to the larger Sentient
The Sentients themselves aren’t part of a larger Hivemind

An example of fragments would be most of the units we fight against but a specific one would actually be War during the Second Dream which was a fragment of Hunhow

This means you could in theory feed a sword a flower and it’d have it’s own unique mind separate from Grandpa so long as it continued to consume said flower

[ocean geyser]

Which we totally should do

I want talking weapons

Technically Broken War could also gain individuality

WAAAAAAAIIT THIS GIVES ME AN IDEAAAAA

finally a way to get Sentient adversary weapons

Or maybe at least skins

[dark compass]

Elaborate

Do you want to make guns that snort xenoflora

[ocean geyser]

Why yes of course

[dark compass]

Truly, a technical marvel

[ocean geyser]

I want my basmu to speak to me

[dark compass]

Now every sentient adjacent weapon we already have needs a personality

[ocean geyser]

YOU SEE THE VISION

The only question is which ones would be “alive” enough to actually have Xenoflora work on them

Some of these things are just made of sentient bones

So would it still work??

[dark compass]

I'm sure

Doesn't Hunhow talk through War?

[ocean geyser]

Like the Shedu and amalgam weapons
The guns with ‘cor at the end

[dark compass]

Wasn't it a point in the story?

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

Hunhow’s transmissions during Second Dream even show him as War instead of himself

[dark compass]

Hence

We give the weapon xenoflora

And it'll be able to speak for itself

[dark compass]

I think it wouldn't matter all that much, sentient fragments are still sentient fragments

They can always be more legally distinct forms of a weapon we already have

It doesn't have to be just "same weapon but upgraded" in terms of lore

It can be figured out

[restive river]

All fragments should work

[dark compass]

Hence

Battacor that whispers sweet things to me