lore-discussion

[dark compass]

Swap between sol and lua, collect stacks of one to spend on abilites of another

[hazy prism]

Only problem is the time to kill is mich faster in warframe

[dark compass]

It's over garudabros

[strong viper]

One card turns u to a weapons platform

Another makes you shield gate

The third is a nuke

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/old-boomer-history-84years-many-years-ago-gif-18534104

[strong viper]

Each card effects all 3 abilities

Like playing chaos or edge master in soulcal

[strange plinth]

"According to Devstream 119 in 2018, there will be more lore and backstory regarding Garuda in the future."

[hazy prism]

Maybe I'm biased, but I feel a tarot card frame should have a draw/play mechanic

[dark compass]

The future is finally now

[strong viper]

Yeah on the nuke card it works that way

In my imagination that is

[strange plinth]

8 years of future

[dark compass]

Garuda lore after 8 years: uhh Nitohk commissioned her or something

[strange plinth]

it'll be something at least lmfao

[strong viper]

Uhhhh wally broke the wall and she is the shattering or something

Ithelia core

[hazy prism]

Garuda Lore: Garuda was Nitokh other concubine

[strong viper]

"Wait shouldnt that be Gara?"

De: "wait u mean gara isnt garuda?"

[hazy prism]

Also Roathe using the term concubine makes Nitokh feel like a Chinese Emperor

[strong viper]

Yeah and i mean i just built a dagaths hollow in my dojo

That term giving me shakes lately

[dark compass]

What term?

[hazy prism]

Concubine?

[potent raft]

So did Adis give us the ability to revive? I’ve always that it was given to us by the void?

[silk atlas]

Reviving isn't explained at all in the context of the story and you'd have to find a way to justify everyone else also having the ability to revive anyway.

[waxen mesa]

TBF if anyone is the core of the tenno it's the Operator

so maybe Operator getting revive powers spread it to everyone else

you could say that's why everyone else awoke their full transference powers

[lean garden]

which then should make you ask why then is it a system for the lotus to surge

[waxen mesa]

because she's a strong independant machine

[drowsy saddle]

Magic revive system gets studied by margulis i suppose

Since alot of the tenno equipment seems to be replication of existing abilities we forgor

[rare scarab]

Wait just making sure Canon Lore is that there is one singular Tenno who has a Drifter, made Duviri and the Incarnons, Did all the 1999 stuff, and Was the Tenno in the Old Peace and knew Adis? That we play as?

[rare scarab]

Oh also all the Old War Archon stuff and Umbra was the Singular Tenno

anyone help me out with this?

[mystic lynx]

Yes Albrecht refer to us as the chosen tenno when he makes notes of all our previous quest starting from awakening all the way to kalymos sequence

[rare scarab]

Think DE has an Idea on what the Chosen Tenno Arsenal and equipment is like? DId the Tenno share the weaponry they attained with other Tenno or anything?

Is Helminth a Chosen Tenno Exclusive too?

[mystic lynx]

Well from every single promotional material they have it's always different character

[rare scarab]

They had a Excalibur Prime

trumna, and kunai

[mystic lynx]

Im the New War trailer and intro it's an indian looking girl using Nova and twin viper and regular mag
In duviri trailrr it's a pedro pascal looking guy with mesa
And now for old peace gameplay demo it's excal prime with trumna/daikyu, akbronco, and nikana prime

[rare scarab]

ah ya akbronco not kunai

[drowsy saddle]

Akimbo shotties

Airpod shotties...

[rare scarab]

It would be awesome if DE is tryna say we all are the Chosen Tenno lore wise and its a multiverse confusing shit

[mystic lynx]

Ye they don't want to use the same character over and over again since we're the chosen tenno in our story

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure that's what the implication is, each player is the chosen operator

[rare scarab]

Canon average Tenno arsenal is max Mastery 10 lol

[drowsy saddle]

Tbf SP is basically just us weighing ourselves down for training

Canon combat is base star chart

[rare scarab]

Chosen Tenno decides to do Goku Training Regimine

[mystic lynx]

Yeah which is why boltor 2 shot grineer

[drowsy saddle]

But also mods are canon

So that 2 billion slampotes or slamstar setup is real

[rare scarab]

star using incarnon tho right? now does Chosen Tenno only have incarnon or did bro share?

[drowsy saddle]

I mean Cavalero sells em

[rare scarab]

Haven't seen any true Tenno interaction with Chosen Tenno

[drowsy saddle]

So incarnons aren't strictly duviri

Id personally chalk up crafting requirements for adaptors as a gameism

[rare scarab]

is Zariman availiable to the average Tenno?

[drowsy saddle]

Ye, how else are defending a moon size ship

[rare scarab]

only the chosen tenno has to use material to make the incarnon 😓

[drowsy saddle]

I head canon that clans take shifts

[rare scarab]

Clans are canon to Tenno?

Tenno Exclusive Club, no non-tennos allowed

[drowsy saddle]

Tenno already divided based on focus schools during the old war

[rare scarab]

true

[normal mountain]

Clan dojos are
Why not clans?

[drowsy saddle]

Lotus probably handles non tenno staff

[mystic lynx]

Which means someone canonically create warm coat

[rare scarab]

Now I want more average Tenno interactions

[drowsy saddle]

For being a nigh immortal child soldier, i still wouldn't trust us to manage the back end of clan logistics

[rare scarab]

are they really considered children if they don't age? (Unless they are the Drifter)

[silk atlas]

They didn't age because of cryosleep

[feral cape]

Pretty sure its just teshin calling the opps and telling them were gonna show up

[drowsy saddle]

But what about the health and damage multipliers

[rare scarab]

I wonder how Factions work in the real Canon universe if thats the case

[feral cape]

If i get a call saying "the best fighters in the universe are showing up to your crib" im putting my heaviest hitters out

[drowsy saddle]

Damn now i want DE to pull a COD Ghosts and get Snoop and Ice T as announcers

DE Give us Snoop Dax mission control

[rare scarab]

What type of clans would turn out if they care about Faction Alignments?

[feral cape]

Thinking its us "holding back" is really lame and nonsensical in the context of a solar system wide war against oppression

[normal mountain]

And I want some more npc Tenno interactions aside from the New War flashback scenes
Not likely to happen, it seems

[feral cape]

Also holding back in a fight kinda makes the fight more lame tbh except for some cases

[rare scarab]

What is the canon age of all the Tenno at this point also since they are like Immortal for the most part right?

[feral cape]

One doesn't exist

[rare scarab]

DE could write something cool with that tbh

[normal mountain]

Eh, sorta
Tenno can age and die that way
But we are notoriously difficult to kill

[drowsy saddle]

Age is really complex for the tenno, you got physical, mental, and chronological

[feral cape]

You're physical and mental age are the same

Teshin points out that nonetheless you are still a child

[rare scarab]

do all normal tenno have Railjacks? Any Tenno who like the Trad Orokin and have a Statue PFP?

they all got social media equivalent right

[drowsy saddle]

I personally see nothing wrong with culturally appropriating the orokin drip

The drip must be repurposed for benevolent goals

[rare scarab]

tenno who paints himself blue and listens to Ballas Podcast

Honestly DE is missing out, we need a Tenno Clash of CLans Mode

I know not all the Tennos are Good Eggs

[drowsy saddle]

I mean that's what operations are

DE just doesn't let us see the leaderboards

[rare scarab]

I was thinking of a game mode where DIvision of Common Tenno where they send each Faction (like Steel Meridian) Troops to attack Enemy Tenno's Faction Base Defence Dojos or something CLash of Clans Style

I think that would be Sick AF

@DE hear me out

[sick yacht]

https://i.redd.it/2w66ysa22feg1.jpeg

[normal mountain]

We had something like that once
Clans could own Solar Rails, and you had to pay a tax to use them iirc
It was deleted by DE because it made the game too competitive

[blissful merlin]

So exciting

[rare scarab]

must have been a old feature I missed

so was it like Clash of Clans?

[drowsy saddle]

That ended up becoming a "selling" point for nft games lmao

[normal mountain]

No
Your clan set Specters to guard the Rail, and then other clans would attack those Specters to try taking over the Rail

[rare scarab]

I mean Fashion Frame is tottering near NFTs to an extent

[mystic lynx]

No bc there's no imaginary value for fashion frame

[drowsy saddle]

Lol no?

[mystic lynx]

It's there to look cool

[drowsy saddle]

Time limited items is not an nft

[normal mountain]

Don't know what those are, don't care

[rare scarab]

ya can't sell those so it could be considered worse

[mystic lynx]

Also the whole thing with nft is that they're each individually unique (it's in the name)

[rare scarab]

mostly talking about Regal Aya* Fashion Frame*

[drowsy saddle]

That's just buying things

Its called a purchase

[azure coral]

everything in warframe is extremely fungible lol, almost the damn near opposite of an nft

even heirlooms have plenty of duplicates

[rare scarab]

thats true can't argue its not fungible

[rare scarab]

I like my Faction based Idea better

I'd like to see how those factions stay affloat, manage them even with my squads Dojo

Tho that would complicate things with the Clan u r in and alignments

[restive river]

This is like saying posting an image online is tottering near NFTs

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/what-wut-wot-apollonair-warframe-gif-5224826

[rare scarab]

to an extent it is still a virtual item that looks cool but it can also make ur character look cool too

was mostly talking regal Aya

[restive river]

Yeah but that’s where the similarities end, it’s virtual

That’s it.

Technically the closest would be any item that you can sell for any form of profit, which the closest would be the old steam specific skins that are on the steam market

[rare scarab]

ya like CSgo stuff

[restive river]

Yes csgo and tf2 basically have nfts

[dark compass]

Nft...

Like non flushable toilets?

[restive river]

Ye

[rare scarab]

seems like we are more interest about the nft stuff than my Faction Clash of Clan Rip off Idea

[drowsy saddle]

Cause pvp is crinj

Revive conclave and faceoff first

[restive river]

Yeah pvp and warframe don’t go well together

[dark compass]

There's always merit to selling art with ownership, people still do that with OCs and species and whatever

[restive river]

It’s still so funny that faceoff died on arrival lol

[dark compass]

But attaching it to blockchain was bound to it just becoming a printing press for cryptobros

[rare scarab]

Well since it would be kinda like Clash of CLans it would be a Deployment of troops not playable characters

[drowsy saddle]

I rushed it for my SP 1999 emote lmao

[dark compass]

Well that's probably the whole point

Faceoff...

[restive river]

Only reason to play it

[dark compass]

I wonder if I'll be able to find a match

[rare scarab]

I imagine this idea would be hard to impliment

[drowsy saddle]

All DE have to do is put weekly rewards for conclave modes

[dark compass]

Don't they already have it?

I sometimes browse wiki for stuff and see various junk listed as "conclave weekly reward"

[drowsy saddle]

Not to my knowledge, and if there is, then its not worth

Potatoes, built or blueprints

Arcane adaptors

50x steel essence

[restive river]

Framefighter should get updated first

[drowsy saddle]

A weekly archon shard!

[drowsy saddle]

Framefighter but players can put credits down

[restive river]

Even with decent rewards I doubt people would do it for very long unless its updated

[restive river]

And it actually works

[dark compass]

Framefighter but they kept adding frames and make balance patches

New EVO contender

[drowsy saddle]

People would be willing to put up with alot of things for a couple forma

[rare scarab]

Would prefer a Good Warframe Clash of Clans mode updating that Fighting Game lol

[restive river]

I mean
They shouldn’t update it with new rewards unless they actually update the mode itself??

Put up with a decade old mid and likely buggy gamemode for some rewards you may want that you can get elsewhere

[drowsy saddle]

Faceoff will need some fixes, but i think its solid enough

Unsure on conclave tho

[dark compass]

I remember seeing an interview where they asked Rebb whether Tauron strikes are balanced for Conclave and she didn't even know whether you can go into operator mode there or not

[drowsy saddle]

They'd definitely won't be balanced lmao, the vazarin talking stick can instakill demolishers lmao

[dark compass]

I think like half of warframes aren't even available in conclave

[drowsy saddle]

Honestly faceoff should just flat out replace base conclave

[feral cape]

It should honestly just be removed or fully dropped any time spent on that gamemode is waste

[dark compass]

Idk why would they remove it

Keep it, add more content from it to the other parts of the game

Don't change shit because it has everything set up to work separately

[feral cape]

Pvp really cant work in warframe

[dark compass]

I mean that just removing content would be meh

[silk atlas]

They should've let you get Conclave standing from the non PvEvP Faceoff

[dark compass]

There's still a hyper small audience

[drowsy saddle]

I'd max out conclave standing in 2 weeks

[rare scarab]

What would a Clash of Clan style Game mode be considered? It would be mostly NPCs u r sending in so

[feral cape]

Ehh?

[dark compass]

They listened to someone crying about letting universal medallions work

I don't think we're getting it

[feral cape]

I wouldn't play it but id be better ig

[rare scarab]

if they wanted to be og imagine the clan leader being the one in control or something, is that too much?

[strange turtle]

We had a Clan vs Clan thing back in the day

[dark compass]

They should just turn everyone into Kahl and Veso

[feral cape]

Right but that also just isnt warframe i dont think any warframe player wants to go from 3rd person shooter to table top battle sim

[rare scarab]

well not a clash of clan faction one

[feral cape]

The only pvp that could really work is Khal of duty

Any pvp that let's you play as the frame has the issue of the hyper mobility in. Warframe does not match the ttk and weaponry in a pvp situation

[humble sierra]

Garuda lore 2026!!!!!!! RAAAAH

[feral cape]

Guy is 17 years late to the party

[humble sierra]

I have a job

Sorry that was mean

I have a job and you don't

[feral cape]

I have a job

[blissful merlin]

https://tenor.com/view/ok-okay-gif-22836839

[humble sierra]

Sorry that was inaccurate

[rare scarab]

it would be a cool clan feature that can be ignored if u want and be more passive for the most part

[dark compass]

BIG NEWS

[humble sierra]

I have a job and you also have a job and my job prevented me from seeing the news live but both of our lifestyles are equally valid

[rare scarab]

Not all Normal Tennos would be carrying too much about the faction stuff

[feral cape]

Adding stuff with the rationale that "well if you dont like it just ignore it" results in a bunch of stuff getting added and then promptly ignored and bloats file sizes and load times for no reason

[drowsy saddle]

knee deep in grineer guts and blood

"there's a gang clan war going on?"

[feral cape]

De is already terrible at continuity and going further with a concept given nearly every update recently has added a new cast of characters and not included the previous ones

[rare scarab]

what if its lore related letting us know more about division of tenno

[fast dew]

I mean, the continuity with the entrati family has been good, but thats probably bcs they're so important to a whole arc

[feral cape]

As much as I like them the devil's triad were literally just shoehorned in

[fast dew]

They were

The writing is good but they're shoehorned in so drifter's visual rework could be utilised

[drowsy saddle]

Im just saying, giving people a reason to play faceoff that doesn't make it hypercompetive is a cheap way to revive mode

[fast dew]

As if baby tenno arent gonna have the hex and the old peace at the same time

[feral cape]

We also didn't particularly need the expanded hex except maybe Kaya even then I think loid (twink form) could do eta

Any scaldra lore could've easily been added to amir simply hacking the scaldra with the discovery of his new parazon

[fast dew]

Tbf at least those had room in the lore to exist. The triad just. Shows up with no foreshadowing

[rare scarab]

It would be more like arming Factions to fight each other for what ever reason these Normal Tenno are trying to get at

[feral cape]

You're right but still they dont need to exist and everything they offer could've been put somewhere else without needing to introduce new lore to accommodate it

[rare scarab]

More like Proxy War 😭

[drowsy saddle]

How the hek would the tenno, a group outnumbered 20,000,000 to 1. Supply factions

[fast dew]

Albrecht Entrati, the man who mentions literally everything, but neglects to mention the time he was in France for 3 whole years and the time he kidnapped a orokin

[feral cape]

Loid twink form could do eta considering hes albretchs boyfriend and clearly has access to technology sophisticated enough for temporl tracking

[waxen mesa]

Wouldn't that be after he permanently left

[fast dew]

I like Kaya, but sometimes folk are unnecessary

[feral cape]

And the infested lore honestly maybe temple was needed maybe it could've been added to elanor

[fast dew]

No?

[rare scarab]

idk what Normal Tenno be racking up but I imagine there are some special tenno that got quite the resources

Would Lotus kick out a Tenno if they started a Proxy War?

[fast dew]

The kidnapping of Roathe is before his last departure to 1999, and his time with the triad was even earlier than that

[drowsy saddle]

Nepo Baby Nef Anyo can literally dump millions of credits for index gambling. The corpus and grineer operate on an insane scale

[waxen mesa]

If u say so

[rare scarab]

What about the Factions like STeel Meridian and the others

[fast dew]

... how would he get out of 1899 if he doesnt have the machine?

[drowsy saddle]

They supply us

[fast dew]

He could barely get out of 1999 without it

[drowsy saddle]

We trade work for their gear

[drowsy saddle]

He converted his time machine into a self heating hot tub

[waxen mesa]

Tbf we also offer protection

But i guess we also have to

[rare scarab]

thats true, ig they are doing the funding for proxy wars

[waxen mesa]

I feel like "protected by the Tenno" is something you expect upon making deals with the Tenno given the giant target you put on yourself

[rare scarab]

idk how big all these factions are

[drowsy saddle]

The bad rep squads they send is basically just a "we'd like to talk about your car insurance" letter

[waxen mesa]

I feel like they are all on the small side

[rare scarab]

and the canon normal tenno has less then them Ig

[waxen mesa]

Big enough to be self sufficient. Small enough to want to deal with the Tenno

[drowsy saddle]

I mean, steel meridian have their own ships

And defend colonies

[waxen mesa]

There are 100-1000ish tenno

[rare scarab]

wait what? i thought there were millions of tenno or more

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure the active player count is the total tenno

[fast dew]

Nah

Theres us, the tenno, and theres the tenno

[drowsy saddle]

The zariman is big, but not that big

[fast dew]

It is that big

[waxen mesa]

We get told two numbers but as per drifter there are "a hundred" tenno

[drowsy saddle]

Wasn't some eyeball calculation put the zariman the size of texas? Or some other state

[rare scarab]

zariman is like a planet sized is it not?

[fast dew]

I think you're underestimating how large it is 😭

[waxen mesa]

State sized

[strong viper]

Size stated

[rare scarab]

is it smaller than on map?

[drowsy saddle]

How tf is it supposed to land on a planet if that's the case lmao

[fast dew]

Maps arent accurate to scale anyways

[fast dew]

Don't think it's meant to

[waxen mesa]

It was measured by a nerd

[fast dew]

Orbiting planet and sending down smaller ships

[rare scarab]

ngl i thought they were just tryna live in the void or something

[waxen mesa]

It was a tau colony ship

[drowsy saddle]

I suppose they could slowly dismantle it to send down to build cities

[rare scarab]

ig warframe is still somewhat grounded

No death stars

[fast dew]

.... iirc lua is huge compared to earth, it is infact not accurate nor grounded

[drowsy saddle]

Kuva fortress would be huuuge

[rare scarab]

so why isn’t the Zariman a death star

i thought kuva fortresses were also like death stars lol

all this star wars inspo where the planet ships

[lean garden]

why

[drowsy saddle]

The first death star is only 100 miles in diameter lmao

[rare scarab]

cuss space future holding a large colony of people

[drowsy saddle]

Well, technically, the first is 120km in diameter, the second was 160km

[lean garden]

the death star isnt a colony ship so

[rare scarab]

never actually knew how big the death star was

I thought the death star was a planet sized ship lol

ig its more like a moon

[drowsy saddle]

Imperial star destroyers are a mile long

[lean garden]

well, it was specifically likened to a moon in the first movie

[drowsy saddle]

1.6km exactly for the class 2

[lean garden]

like the iconic line is literally "that's no moon"

[fast dew]

[rare scarab]

ig a Death Moon isn’t as Catchy

[lean garden]

Stars arent even planet sized either homie

theyre way bigger

[rare scarab]

ik

well depending on the star

nvm dwarf stars are still like Earth size on average

[drowsy saddle]

Even if the zariman is "only" the size of texas, that could still easily be 10 million people on board

[rare scarab]

true

huh didn’t know death star had only 2 mill people on it when it blew it

[drowsy saddle]

"only"

[rare scarab]

well its a moon sized ship

[strong stratus]

Dude im so happy I got Loid to go upstairs ❤️

I wish we got to see him talk to Mother but im glad we got voicelines

[fast dew]

Mm, its good to see him reunited

[dense nest]

who would be the other 2 (1 probably new frame)

[proper barn]

I SAID NITOKH could be related.

She's the blood queen and she even

Kinda has garudas symbol on her.

[lean garden]

Albrecht would be Origin's biggest troll if he gave the jab to BOTH nitohk and roathe separately

[proper barn]

Like

Oh we can't see her head but I i think it has the same symbol.

[drowsy saddle]

Plot twist, Nitokh khora

[proper barn]

Probably second thing.

They seem to be connected on purpose.

[drowsy saddle]

Nitokh daughter

Looking for what the hell happened to her dad, Roathe

[humble sierra]

I'm not expecting Nitokh to be ProtoGaruda (if there is one)

But certainly someone related to her

Like a Dax under her

[drowsy saddle]

Nitokh daughter, would be incredibly funny

[dry oracle]

Under her?

[humble sierra]

This is a neat plot hook for them to have set up

[humble sierra]

Very likely could be but that might retread ground with Roathe

[drowsy saddle]

I stan Nitokh daughter conspiracy theory

Dax would be too similar to roathe

[dry oracle]

Nitokh has daughter?

[drowsy saddle]

Nah, just yapping

We have literally no info on Nitokh outside of Roathe's relationship with her

And that she was the leader of the war faction among the 7

[dry oracle]

If nitokh was blood thirsty proto garuda and then imagine drifter causally giving her therapy sessions and then she suddenly became romance with drifter

If she was a proto garuda I hope she none romance

Like minevra and Valimir and others

[tall echo]

People would be upset.
I would be happy that people are upset.

[rare scarab]

all this talk about executioners, i wonder will we get to fight em if thereis more Old Peace

haven’t been keeping track with the schedule

[strange turtle]

TLDR: Not that big, but still decently big

That’s the playerbase.

In a convo with Roathe, he asks the Drifter if they think they could beat the Tenno, with them replying that there’s “I don’t know, a hundred of them. And one of me”. It’s not an accurate number since it’s just a guess thrown out there to illustrate how outnumbered Drifter would be, and from other KIM convos Drifter doesn’t seem to be someone who would actually memorise that detail anyway, but it tells us that there’s at least something vaguely around 100 of them.

We know it’s likely more for several reasons. Clans, while their mechanics (and likely membership counts) are a gameplay thing, do exist, meaning there’s enough for Tenno to organise themselves into a good number of groups big enough to have their own big space station and docks.

The Tenno are able to reliably maintain different operations across the entire system while becoming increasingly stretched over more areas and objectives as the story progresses, while also having enough to devote to major issues that crop up (Events/Operations) alongside all this.

The Zariman, as a colony ship to establish a presence in a whole new system, would likely have a big population. IIRC we get a blocked out number that’s like 4-6 digits but don’t quote me on that. Considering that it also had billions of applicants

There were enough floors for them to be ordered by greek letter, english letter and number, which means loads of floors. On these floors, there were enough “Wards” of Dormizones to be ordered by letter, medical areas to be ordered by letter and number, and classrooms to be ordered by the same.

[rare scarab]

bro got a whole Roathe podcast

oh this was on the amount of tenno

[strange turtle]

Considering there were enough crew for: security guards, an entire “Expeditionary Command”, specialised staff like Yonta and Hombask’s with roles like assistant/secretaries, pilots for Paralax ships and whatever else there might’ve been, in addition to the Grineer workforce, at least one Archimedean, whatever Cavalero was, multiple sets of Lorists, and whoever else would’ve been housed separately.

That’s 26 x a big number of families, with even more kids being born while on there.

So the minimum goes up to like, multiple hundreds if not thousands

[rare scarab]

ig it pry was millions b4 wally started mind control stuff

idk if we got a kill count tho

[strange turtle]

And then if we want to stretch it, Fortuna’s ARG had playerbase participation with like 50,000 players, which could be interpreted as something in the 10 thousands of kids being be feasible, but like I said that’s stretching it because it’s a player thing

[rare scarab]

10k is nothing tho in the warframe universe I imagine pop of Grineer pry in the trillions?

system wide at least

[tall echo]

Executors*, 3 are confirmed to die to others later, we directly kill ballas, nitokh fled, tormis and scarne's fates are unknown for now

But also there won't be more old peace

[strange turtle]

Probably less. At first you’d think that it’d be loads because system is big and the Orokin prepped it for travel and living, and then you remember that they trashed it so much they just gave up and tried to leave. In particular we know that:

The outer colonies were “ravaged by Infestation” so wouldn’t be great. Mars is so arid that the only longstanding civilisation we know of there that wasn’t spacefaring still settled around one of the terraforming machines, and is home to one of the “plants that grows in the most hostile environments” alongside one that grows in toxic waste, and the ones that can only grow in super cold temperature

Venus was terraformed to be good but now most of it isn’t because the tech failed. Earth would also be good but a good bit is still ruined and even then a bunch of the parts that aren’t are overgrown and you have to “fight to maintain” your water reserves

There’s still a good bit of habitable places and you can just make one but it’s definitely less than you’d usually get in this kind of setting

[dawn shuttle]

It's very funny to imagine there being such a huge amount of tenno. Even a "smaller" number, like in the thousands, is a lot of messed up demigods to scoop out of the zariman and keep around until the second dream was developed

Not that the orokin were incapable of complex logistics, of course

[fast dew]

Well, the worst part is that most of them were

Others were just... better

||Albrecht outright fooled Grandmother, which is wild||

[dawn shuttle]

lmao yeah

||i was half expecting her to go 'oh, i know what happened'||

[fast dew]

||Like she's the lady behind the family getting together again, the concept of Albrecht fooling her is so interesting. Though, thats another thing I think Albrecht planned. The family's reunion with loid. I think he planned for that inevitability||

[fast dew]

||She does know of wally tho. So. She knows a little||

Which is odd, of all people, she wouldn't be the one who would know, in my mind

That woudlve been Mother

[pale cedar]

Not knowing about Wally is stupid when he gave you ptsd literally 2 quests ago

[dawn shuttle]

Surely she knows too?

[fast dew]

||we're yapping about grandma lol||

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

She must, she's why the fingers are cut. There's no way she isn't aware of him

[pale cedar]

Wally gave Infestation ptsd and the family are Infested

[fast dew]

Nemesis im gonna bonk you

[pale cedar]

Doubt that’s even possible when I’m a Void book

[fast dew]

Its possible now >:]

[pale cedar]

Bonk me I bonk Loid’s hair

[dawn shuttle]

||there are a lot of variables to it but like i guess so? I dont remember, would they be infested already when he left? Both happened during the old war, right? Or did son let in the infestation to the necralisk much later||

[pale cedar]

Son broke curfew which let it into the Necralisk

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah, but when

[fast dew]

||Loid mentions fighting infestation, but mother is actively looking for Albrecht even while the infestation is.... infestation-ing||

[pale cedar]

Some time

This is DE we don’t get dates

[dawn shuttle]

Especially when half the things ever happened during the old war lmao

[pale cedar]

For all we know the modern day story could’ve all happened in a week

[dawn shuttle]

Well i think we were gone a little longer than that during new war at least

[fast dew]

Well the cetus kids are still kids so can't be too long

[dawn shuttle]

Konzu going "ai yo, has it been that long" when he got deveiled actually just meant "late lunch for konzu"

[violet storm]

Lol

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah but still like some time, I've been imagining like a year or so?

[pale cedar]

Some time can be any time

[violet storm]

Imagine being such a dense and fast moving miasma you can take over a whole system in around a year

[dawn shuttle]

not true, it can't be no time

[strange turtle]

Late lunch for the first time in a year

[pale cedar]

Time to destroy the timeline so there’s no time

[violet storm]

I do Wonder what the average ostron lunch looks like

[strange turtle]

Just put it into the void smh

[strange turtle]

If I remember right they have a like, noodle stall or something

[pale cedar]

They eat fish and a tower

[strange turtle]

Chimurr: Fill the gourd with bomba leaves, then add steaming water and imbibe wthrough a burnished juta reed. A very old Ostron tradition. To serve it to guests signifies union and friendship.

Harpu: fresh-brewed chimurr with melted vobi butter creates a filling, tasty beverage. It is often bulked out with salt and balb flour. Always served hot.

Daku liquor: highly sought after. The Suma Doni (a lowlands marsupial) eats the peca nut, which excretes a fine paste. It is from this paste that the Ostrons make daku liquor.

Golden caviar: harvested from abyssal depths such as the Geonate Shelf.

Kubuchi: fermented sorghum. Cheap liquor. No Ostron would be caught drinking it in public. Any offworlder who does is immediately seen as a greenhorn and an easy mark.

Wine: some merchants claim to be able to imbue a bottle with the 'etheric signature' of a person one wishes to be rid of. Drink them in the evening, expel them by morning.

Ito-da (termite droppings): Mineral-dense. Will keep a traveler going long after their hunger should have dropped them.

[violet storm]

I Wonder just how much of the fish we haul in is actually safe to eat and edible

[violet storm]

Ordis mentioned something about not being able to form consonants after eating Ito-Da

[strange turtle]

…All aside from ones with the usual reasons for being inedible? We can donate them all to families that can’t feed themselves

[violet storm]

Chimurr is just Yerba Mate if you think about it

[strange turtle]

(Usual reasons being like, diseased and stuff)

[strange turtle]

Idr which but someone actually made one of the Ostron dishes/drinks IRL

I think Harpu?

[violet storm]

Another thing, I remember Ordis says we lack the hydraulic capacity to unstick our tongue from the roof of our mouth the morning after drinking Kubuchi

[fast dew]

Wine... is that what Loid meant by him being unsure if what lyon has was the same as their wine?

[violet storm]

It’s possible

[brittle siren]

do you guys think we would have RJ mission on Tau?

[fast dew]

Id imagine the quality would be vastly different.

Orokin wine compared to ostron wine

[violet storm]

Old Gaul style wine vs Ostron Wine, one is probably much stronger and drunk for the high alcohol content rather than the flavor profile

[fast dew]

Imagine the collection the entrati family would have......

[violet storm]

Probably no longer any good considering how fermentation works

Probably more alcohol than any human, normal or Orokin, should drink

[median sinew]

time to beat the boss..

[dark compass]

Orokin wine would probably straight up kill you if your body isn't adjusted to it

These people definitely had some very high tolerances

[strange turtle]

maybe they have their own private “Cryoleum” that they just use to preserve food and drink

[brittle siren]

it's funny to think that Orokin wine has gold in it (my headcanon)

[violet storm]

I Wonder what an absolutely sloshed orokin would be like

[strange turtle]

Drinking Orokin wine and you’re knocked out the moment you raise the cup (you haven’t even brought it to your head yet)

[fast dew]

.. then would it be via fermentation? Iirc that way of producing alcohol usually results in low alcohol percentage

[strange turtle]

Meanwhile Ballas just chugged a whole vase of Orokin vodka

[fast dew]

This can happen. Mm. Fumes.

[brittle siren]

Roathe kinda the closest to that

[violet storm]

Considering the way the saying goes “in vino Veritas”

[fast dew]

Ever sniffed a really, really strong liquor and or rubbing alcohol?

[violet storm]

Iirc, archeologists found a jar of potato liquor in the Slavic region somewhere and it was largely alcohol

I remember what interacting with a sloshed Arthur was like. Very interesting.

[fast dew]

That would be from distillation, over fermentation iirc

[dawn shuttle]

Sloshed Arthur vessel when

[fast dew]

Well this has been good in regards to orokin drinking tho

Turns out, if you dont know if the orokin had alcohol, it makes it hard to write a fic about one drinking alcohol

[dawn shuttle]

the red kuva was just wine all along

I don't know what that makes blue kuva

[fast dew]

No clue either tbh

[opaque zenith]

Headcanon: The Orokin are dead all along, some people are just drunk and think themselves as the person who died right in front of them

Drunk identity thief all the way down

[strange turtle]

Warframe but the Orokin Empire just had a child alcoholism epidemic

[dawn shuttle]

This makes sense to me

No wonder we could kill them

[strange turtle]

1000 years later after a drunk man who hallucinated having training and accidentally caused a reactor meltdown that triggered a chain reaction across the whole Empire, cryogenically children who played too many video games believe that they’re child soldiers piloting cosplay outfits

[dawn shuttle]

Albrecht is a teetotaler and so appears really smart

[fast dew]

A what-

[strange turtle]

One of them, who wasn’t preserved, hallucinated an entire fantasy world and believes their twin is actually their alternate self

[dawn shuttle]

a teetotaler

[strange turtle]

After being rescued and finding themself unable to reintegrate with their friends, they joined a group of equally drunk veterans and clergymen, who are so drunk they mix up the names and details of their old world countries

(Still from the past though, it’s just normal Earth)

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i'll replace my knowledge of the game with this instead

[opaque zenith]

The void is real tho, they managed to create/piss of a cosmic entity while drunk

[dawn shuttle]

Wally is so weird because he's conceptually embodied from a drunk persons mind

[strange turtle]

Wally was actually relatively normal because Albrecht was scared mostly sober when he went into the Void, but he was still drunk enough that when Wally greeted him and tried to give him a handshake (he was exposed to pre-drunk memories first) Albrecht hallucinated, got scared and accidentally cut his fingers off

And the wound was exposed to the alcohol-laced air

[restive river]

Since when was Albrecht drunk what

[opaque zenith]

You. Are. Late!
(we were talking about a headcanon where the lore was just a buch of drunk people doing shenanigans)

[restive river]

Pfft lmao

[flint depot]

how much void tech did the Orokin have before Albrecht fell beyond the Untime Door ? Kuva is void derived but it seems to pre date a lot of things

[opaque zenith]

Quite a lot, presumably amost everything that didn't use the void. Space-travel beyond the system was the principal motive of the research (and the towers in the void was after the sentients) so I assume the void was essentialy an upgrade to existing stuff( like fuel-drive -> void-drive)

TLDR: There was an empire established already, so quite a lot

[ocean geyser]

Fire, fusion, void, as a certain corpus guy says

[fast dew]

I mean.

Nestawood didnt make him drunk but close enough

Reckon if Loid got drunk and threw up, Albrecht would hold his hair back

[pale cedar]

No

[wraith lotus]

Saw something cool

Looks like a chained up Hunhulus, with a mix of a void angel

[ocean geyser]

I have an important question guys
Sukuna
Vs
Grendel

Who wins

[fast dew]

[dry oracle]

Sukuna

[ocean geyser]

I found an old rp i was in where it happened

[dry oracle]

What kind grendel

[ocean geyser]

Prime

[dry oracle]

Predator grendel, warframe grendel, bao wolf grendel or prime?

[ocean geyser]

Why would i bring up a grendel from outside of warframe 😭

That’d be too far off topic

[dry oracle]

I mean sukuna is off topic but go on

They kinda look the same

[ocean geyser]

“Non Warframe character vs Warframe character” is more on topic than “non warframe character vs non Warframe character”

[ocean geyser]

Maybe Albrecht thought Hunhullus looked cool

[dry oracle]

Maybe we get hunhullus as vessel skin

If we get vessel summon

[ocean geyser]

That’d be funny

[dry oracle]

Since when quincy can say "me and you long shower and few drinks" I never heard it when emote swap

[ocean geyser]

When you date him i guess

[dry oracle]

I do

I only date least picked characters

[pale cedar]

Probably since release tbh

[drowsy saddle]

Hunhullus has a sharper chin, it's been mogging us

[dark compass]

More like Suck-on-a

[fast dew]

I mean so does Nihil lol

[dry oracle]

I don't know hunhullus kinda did plastic surgery

[fast dew]

Nihil blast

[dry oracle]

Maybe a hint for nihil Kim chat romance

[dark compass]

The only person in existence that can make these shoulder guards look good

(i can't, so it must be a universal experience, duh)

[ocean geyser]

That’s why you only use one

Works better

[dry oracle]

It works on Some skins and frames

[fast dew]

Also fun fact what seems to be chains are actually beads

These are beads

Also he wears glass and

I think thats cool

[dark compass]

glassmaker

more like glasswearer amiright

https://tenor.com/view/cat-fat-kitty-dies-cute-gif-17789516

[pale cedar]

What if he made the glass he wears?

[fast dew]

He probably did 😭

[pale cedar]

Falls in line with the title

[velvet wolf]

So bored now, anyone wanna play games together ?

[median sinew]

War within came out in 2016 right?

[pale cedar]

Late 2016, yeah

[lean garden]

might need to circle where you think void angel bits are

[strange turtle]

Prison Blast

[fast dew]

This is funny as shit lmfao

[strange turtle]

He would never suck anything, not even an ice pop or a straw. Biting on the other hand…

[strange turtle]

What kind of scenario happened for these two to be facing off against eachother? 😭

Sukuna stomps tho

Not even just stomps. This is like, Rhino’s stomp level of stomp

[opaque zenith]

They supported different lunaro teams (I wasn't following the discussion)

[strange turtle]

This is like if you pit Grendel against Dante on crack, but Dante also had the strength of Hunhullus, the speed of Titania and a subsumed Inferno

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/gojo-vs-sukuna-satoru-gojo-sukuna-jujutsu-kaisen-jjk-gif-5270969739112953641

[rare scarab]

what we think they will set the limitations of Kuva in what it can do?

[fast dew]

Well. Infestation is out of the question

[rare scarab]

like curing them? ig we don't have anyone trying to make a kuva powered infection healing machine

[strange turtle]

No they mean, Infected people can’t do Kuva

Like the protos and Entrati

[woven coyote]

It has consistently only had the regenerative properties we see on liches (and the ordan karris story)
And mind related stuff, like consuming and replacing minds(continuity), and some degree of mind control seen with dax and the mirrors in the new war

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/blob-jelly-memes-stare-at-it-bob's-gif-8902687973428544154

Holding the Kuva vial in front of varzia

[empty terrace]

just finished the new war and damn. i am speechless.

[dark compass]

You have officially finished the tutorial

[pale cedar]

I've done New War 3 times am I insane?

[empty terrace]

im confused. is drifter same guy from dhuviri paradox?

[dark compass]

Yes

[empty terrace]

in TNW ballas chopped natahs hand before timeskip and im damn sure i saw same hand in dhuviri

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[dark compass]

Yep, that's the paradox

[strange turtle]

Its the hand that attaches to you and lets you do Transference

[pale cedar]

You're the Paradox

[empty terrace]

but teshin said in dhuviri that both world are different so how did drifter end up in operator world?

[strange turtle]

Do you remember the end of Duviri

When you get the option to leave, or stay for now and leave later

[woven coyote]

Void, also probably the hand

[pale cedar]

Drifter just opened a portal and entered the next available universe

[empty terrace]

he could tap and repeat. he saw void. teshin told now its his turn to help people on otherside of void who helped him on paradox

[strange turtle]

Yeah

We/the Operator helped him

[empty terrace]

also how did operator came to life. ballas stabbed them before skip?

[strange turtle]

So now he has to go to Origin, help and temporarily replace us

[pale cedar]

Operator wouldn't be leave the loop without Drifter

Drifter wasn't able to leave the loop without Operator

[strange turtle]

Tenno are only known to die of age or [spoilers]. Ballas couldn’t kill Operator, so throws them into the Void instead

[woven coyote]

It's right there in the line ballas says to us

Cant kill the devil so send them back to hell

[empty terrace]

btw is there any canon choice for whom ends the war after dinner in zariman? i chose operator

[pale cedar]

No

[dark compass]

The real question is who did you choose at the very very end

[empty terrace]

the lotus

[pale cedar]

Good

[strange turtle]

Operator got stuck in a memory loop of what happened on the Zariman while in the Void.

Meanwhile, Drifter is about to get executed, gets a “ghost” stab when Ballas stabs Operator, Lotus severed hand falls into Duviri.

Drifter goes through Duviri story, getting help from the Operator at points. Eventually they leave, and help the Operator in turn. And that’s the Paradox part. You need to help them for them to help you, but they’re helping you before you can help them

[empty terrace]

i know it might be dumb question but now that origin system is gone through new war, does it change open worlds like fortuna and other too? ive not visited any world so far after war.

[woven coyote]

And then in some lines in content after new war some characters directly call drifter a paradox in case people still didnt get it

[strange turtle]

Fortuna has some changes and I think thats it

[empty terrace]

i am doing whisper in the wall quest cus holy smoke that reveal at the end was chilling

[woven coyote]

Cetus and fortuna both yeah

[dark compass]

Fortuna and Cetus both have the lasting damage left

And narmer bounties to clean up the leftovers

[woven coyote]

The carpenter in cetus died so they cant rebuilt their huts /j

[pale cedar]

Think Wally cares Drifter gained powers after already having a deal that didn't give powers?

[strange turtle]

Ok, before you go further.
Have you maxed the Entrati?

[empty terrace]

im not even rank 2

[pale cedar]

Get ranking up

[empty terrace]

should i do it first?

[pale cedar]

You’re missing out on the best domesticated pet ever

[empty terrace]

hmm i dont remember where but either in photo or map i saw name A. Entrati during TNW quest. maybe it was during test in zariman i dont remember

[empty terrace]

but cant i do it normally after quest ?

[woven coyote]

Credits for the audiobook on eternalism

[empty terrace]

yup.

[pale cedar]

You need to rank up with family to get the most important character in the game

[woven coyote]

But yeah if you havent finished the entrati and necraloid syndicates then you probably dont get why albrecht is so important

[pale cedar]

Pretty much anything Deimos is important

[empty terrace]

ok. i guess ill do it. i am also thinking about taking break from main story to do side stories and warframe quests.. i wanna focus on building khora so i need steel maredian syndicate as well.

[strange turtle]

Max out the Entrati, and the Necraloid syndicate too if possible (not important tbh but to me it feels better to have that part “complete”.)

Either complete in-game by killing Whispers or look up Albrecht’s Notes online, and listen to the Requiem story at The Heart by going to the wall murals

[empty terrace]

can i do angles of zariman though?

[strange turtle]

Do Angels of the Zariman too, max the Holdfasts out

[pale cedar]

Which angle are you looking for from the Zariman?

[empty terrace]

also when ballas mentioned Tau system does he mean like other solar system like origin?

[pale cedar]

Yes

[empty terrace]

damn i hope we go there one day so we can start Newer New war with creatures there

[strange turtle]

Then do The Hex (followup to Whispers), and max them out or mostly do so (there’s a certain function that makes it slower but trust me its worth it). And then do Old Peace. Technically you can do either, but it’s much more satisfying to do Hex content first I think

[pale cedar]

Origin is just one system within the Galaxy Warframe is in

[empty terrace]

so i should go like entrati max. zariman max then whisper quest and later hex. if i am not wrong then the hex is 1999 questline correct?

[strange turtle]

Yeah. The Orokin tried (and failed) to colonise it because they trashed the Origin System, and it’s what The Sentients were made for (building the Solar Rail between Origin and Tau, and getting it prepped for colonisation), before they rebelled.

It’s also where the Zariman was meant to go if it’s jump didn’t fail

[empty terrace]

why did sentient rebel though? also it was funny how hunhow changed the sides.

also if operator and drifter are same person two different multiverse varients, is it same for both teshins too?

[strange turtle]

As they travelled along the way they suffered losses, developed mentally and a certain other experience happened, and when they finally got to Tau they thought it was really nice and they didn’t want to serve the Orokin anymore, and didn’t want them to ruin Tau too

[strange turtle]

No

Teshin is our Teshin, who also got thrown in the void portal

[pale cedar]

"What led us here? You did, you vile blasphemies. Machines... Thinking... Breeding... You were to bear us a new, promised land. But when you arrived at that distant world, you knew that in time, we would bring ruin to it as well, as we had to Earth. And so it was... we came to war."

[strange turtle]

You can see he has a Narmer Veil and IIRC an Origin system banner?

He also has a bunch of voicelines that let you know he’s Operator Teshin, if it wasn’t clear already, as well as a whole Duviri fragment

[empty terrace]

also is hex/1999 current ongoing story or is it done completely as well?

[strange turtle]

Idr which faction but it was a specific one

[strange turtle]

Completely done (for now)

[empty terrace]

i did dhuviri way before even second dream

[strange turtle]

Yeah it’s really only good for before or after New War

They wanted to use it as an alternate start so they changed things to let you start with it. And then they scrapped that and moved it further but they didn’t want to lock another thing to late in the game so left it earlier on

[empty terrace]

i guess i will play it again. i dont remember most of the stuff from it. i forgot who was thrax. only thing i remember is drifter gave away power to control dhuviri to him

[strange turtle]

Thrax is the actual ruler of Duviri, from the book

Made from a doll Drifter had

They were childhood friends, but then Drifter grew up and changed, while Thrax didn’t and mostly stayed the same

[empty terrace]

eh, wasnt drifter stuck in zariman as well?

[strange turtle]

…what exactly do you think Duviri is

[empty terrace]

thats good question. ive no clue. thats why i need to play again.

i played during time i didnt understand even basic terminology

[strange turtle]

Alright so, do you remember the lesson on Eternalism from the Zariman flashback during New War?

[rancid tinsel]

duviri = warframe version of alice in wonderland

[empty terrace]

yup

[pale cedar]

Duviri is the Zariman's back garden

[strange turtle]

When Operator and Drifter made the deal, because of Eternalism, multiple outcomes happened. Operator was saved and given powers alongside the rest. Drifter wasn’t, due to the wording of the Deal.

Left alone and afraid, Drifter tried to use The Tales Of Duviri to regulate their emotions. Instead, they Conceptually Embodied the world of Duviri to life in the Void, anchored to the Zariman

[empty terrace]

so its still inside the void. drifter said in their version they didnt get out of that mess

[strange turtle]

Yeah

[empty terrace]

so the person who shook hand with that creepy version im assuming man in the wall turned tenno aka operator and version which didnt ask for walls help stayed in zariman and void and turned into drifter without void power.

i mean i remember there were some conversations of drifter about ship situation in paradox quest as well.

[strange turtle]

No, they both asked for help

But remember what Wally said?

“I can save them. All of them”

He never said he’d save you too

That was just a bonus

[empty terrace]

i just realised i decided to stay in the spiral at the end of the paradox quest

also when i saw wally first thing that came in my mind was the gate from fullmetal alchemist brotherhood

i mean in that sense ballas is that doctor who mixed daughter and dog together

[wind ruin]

That was part of the deal. Drifter had powers, they just didn't know what they were or that they were using them until The New War.

[pale cedar]

Nah, Wally directly didn't give them powers

[empty terrace]

I checked and entrati standing also opens helminth system. I guess I really should max it out first before going for Wally quest.

[pale cedar]

Yes

You should also start getting more frames

[empty terrace]

Last rank standing is over 100k. My daily limit is below 20k. 😐

[peak ether]

Drifter only got void powers through the operator in TNW which they use to save the operator in the solar system

[pale cedar]

Full utilisationn of Helminth requires getting more frames

[ocean geyser]

I wonder why the Lotus’s hand can do transference things

[peak ether]

Yeah that’s pretty normal, Warframe adds time gates to stop players rushing through everything

[silk atlas]

We have not a damn clue. It turning into a "Void conduit" as I'll call it just sounds wack.

[empty terrace]

That's what I thought for drifters power too. I thought her handholding unlocked void powers for drifter and not wally

[pale cedar]

Just get more things and do the tests and that standing cap increases

[tall echo]

That's only 5 days

[silk atlas]

Drifter loaned the power like they loaned the frames lol

[peak ether]

Correct me if I’m wrong but the paradox is that drifter saves the operator in TNW with OP’s void powers and the OP saves the drifter from duviri? I completely forgot the paradox

[silk atlas]

Pretty much

[empty terrace]

I played dhuviri first and in that one when I was creating character they were sitting on floor. Until zariman dinner in tnw I never realized that I've drifter with an emo hair and beard on a female body type. I mean even in new war he was covered in cloak

Now I'm gonna keep it that way as good memory

[pale cedar]

Drifter was bugged on release of New War and that meant you had a ton of bald Drifters back then

[empty terrace]

Anyone would go bald if they lived in void alone for their entire life and created fairy tales to keep them entertained

[tall echo]

Minus drifter using void powers

[tall echo]

The day of the tennobamas

[main arch]

So something really funny to think about: By proxy of Wally not liking alchemy at all (As shown to us by Rusalka when she talks down on us for doing Alchemy in the Triumph of Dust), I feel like he actually despises Lavos lmao.

Wally does not like the Warframes in general, but screw that guy in particular.

[pale cedar]

Wally never once has suggested disliking frames in general

It's the child he has an issue with

[main arch]

Okay that was a large assumption on my part, he'd be seeing them as meat puppets. Though I still feel like he'd dislike Lavos solely for the fact he practiced Alchemy.

[pale cedar]

Maybe

Or it could be Wally hating anything Albrdcht with the guise of hating Alchemy

[main arch]

Another reason I can see is that, Javi is an alchemist, and there's only ONE orokin household that's allowed to do practice that stuff in the first place, that being the Entranti, Albrecht in particular. As such, it's kind of a safe assumption to make that Javi and Albrecht were, at the very least, associates.

Thus Wally would dislike Javi for being a teacher of Alchemy, much like Albrecht, and for his connection to Albrecht, and by proxy, likely look upon Lavos with distaste.

This is also curious because it paints that Xaku, Qorvex, Dante and Lavos were likely in the same batch together.

[pale cedar]

We’d have to know when Albrecht and Javi were doing Alchemy to find out if they were associates

[main arch]

If we're following Albrecht's storyline, we just might.

I pray anyway. 🙏

[pale cedar]

Gotta see if Albrecht ever mentions working with him

[main arch]

Especially since... I mean, think about it for a bit. AN ALCHEMIST ARCHEMEDEAN? You can't just leave him as a background character. Naw. You introduced him, now you MUST expand 🤣

Especially if DE is gonna continue with this unique theme of alchemy they have going on, cause its more than just elements.

[pale cedar]

DE probably won't expand for the sheer fact we were told all the stuff we needed to know

[main arch]

Don't pull a Games Workshop... please... 🙏

[pale cedar]

Albrecht couldve stolen from Javi though which could give room to expand

[main arch]

I don't see why he would, given we see alchemical scribbles on his walls when he was calculating his time jumps for 1999.

If anything, that's something Parvos would do, as well, guess how he got his hands on the tech required to design Protea lmao.

[pale cedar]

Albrecht has stolen a ton of stuff

[main arch]

"The Entranti violated time, and I violated them!" He says after he stole a bunch of stuff from the Entranti lmao.

[main arch]

Actually curious, for example what?

[dark compass]

Loid's heart

[main arch]

Lmao smooth

[woven coyote]

Cars, pcs, fingers

Bikes, pagers

[main arch]

Wait a minute. BESIDES WALLY'S FINGERS-

[pale cedar]

Fingers
Golden Maw
Arthur’s sword

[main arch]

. Golden Maw?

[pale cedar]

Yeah Netracells has a ton of stuff he stole

[main arch]

Never saw a golden maw lmao.

Wait the ravenous ones?

[woven coyote]

Hekkin cars in a jar

[pale cedar]

He technically stole Archon Shards

[main arch]

Oh damn that's a good point.

Though even with that, I don't quite think he stole from Javi. He was the one who made the alchemy crucibles after all.

[pale cedar]

Yeah, but you can make stuff with other people’s research

That has happened many times irl

[main arch]

Though we've no evidence to suggest that.

And even more, evidence that disbands that, again given how much proficiency he shows with alchemy.

Sure, he is a brilliant mind and could likely figure it out quick, but by that point I feel like he would've figured it out without stealing anyways.

[pale cedar]

Gotta see if DE bother explaining more on it tbh

[main arch]

Yeah that's fair. Again, here's praying they don't pull a Games Workshop.

[woven coyote]

Those were sento to his lab iirc

Orokin wanted him to figure out a use

[strange turtle]

I mean he probably did “steal” Javi’s research, in that there’s no way that he as an alchemist with his influence, didn’t jump on whatever bits of Javi’s research got seized like it was nestawood, assuming they didn’t just burn it

[main arch]

Something actually EXTREMELY important to note.

Give me just a minute I'll show what exactly.

So... is it just me, or do they kind of appear... similar in langauge?

The first image is Javi's genome scrawling. The he used his blood to write.

And the second image is the Entranti motto "No God above knowledge."

This does feel like a bit of a reach, but I cannot help but notice the eerie similarities between the two.

Oh and also, Lavos's signa is literally in the same language.

[strange turtle]

I doubt the scrawls actually mean anything themselves, but the style of them was likely inspired by/based on the Orokin language

[main arch]

They do if Lavos was able to decipher them, even if with Javi's help.

[strange turtle]

No I mean, out of game/lore

[main arch]

Oh. Yeah that's a fair assumption.

[main arch]

The reason I know for the second one is because ||Daughter/Kaelli talks about it.||

[strange turtle]

Not because I don’t think they could, but DE only introduces a language when they’re gonna use it, and give us a bunch of stuff to translate

[strange turtle]

When?

[main arch]

||When we talk the triad into helping us unite Loid back with the Entranti. She talks about it in her reaction to Loid's return.||

[woven coyote]

That's just orokin writing tho

[strange turtle]

What does she say, roughly?

I’ve been waiting for more fixes to reset and get the cutscene and dialogue myself

[main arch]

||Basically she's pissed at Albrecht's hypocrisy for withholding the knowledge of his fate from the rest of his family, in spite of their family motto.||

[tall echo]

"Interesting. Now watch this, amateur."
-loid to kermerros

[iron tiger]

Does exotic matter or negative energy and mass exist in the warframe universe?

[restive river]

Do those exist in ours?

[iron tiger]

Theoretically

[restive river]

Then I believe that it’d be the same for Warframe
Idk if any of those are explicitly stated so

[iron tiger]

Well we know anti-void exists so that’s something

[restive river]

It is something we have heard of once, unfortunately

It could be like
Anything

[iron tiger]

True and the void is already infinite possibilities

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment go brrr

And sometimes eternalism ig

[main arch]

Both.

[restive river]

Mostly conceptual embodiment
Eternalism is far less common

[fast dew]

Eternalism is like

Once in a million

[narrow pendant]

wish there was the option to answer "i aint readin allthat but one version of me might have"

[narrow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/keith-lee-morgan-freeman-true-nxt-wwe-gif-1698026969390630772

[dark compass]

My favorite of his reactions is still the "no clue" one

[narrow pendant]

i imagine roathe typing like an elderly person

using one finger searching for each letter

infuriated

[dark compass]

One day he'll switch to two

[narrow pendant]

he wishes he could smash his parazon into it but loid forbids it

[fast dew]

"Its one of the last things my Albrecht had!"

"Your Albrecht is an idiot who believes in monogamy, shut up"

Or something. I feel as if roathe would use stronger words that I cant say

[narrow pendant]

then marie comes in and says its her turn on the pom-2

[fast dew]

Id pay to see some interactions between Roathe and Loid

Like visually

Let me see if Loid would slap him

[loud oriole]

both having a sass-off

[fast dew]

Divas of two kinds

Racist diva and a born natural diva

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/zoolander-stare-stare-down-gif-27215577

[fast dew]

Fitting due to both being divas, but at the same time, too himbo for either Loid or Roathe

Himbo and himbecile

[cinder halo]

outta curiousity, does anyone know how Kullervo even exists? i understand thats hes from duviri but the drifter never had any interaction with warframes until new war, so how exactly was he even there in the first place?

[dark compass]

He quite literally crashed into duviri

Kullervo isn't conceptually embodied like the rest, he himself is there and the hold is his own conceptual embodiment

Including the warden who represents Ballas

[cinder halo]

wait wut

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[cinder halo]

https://tenor.com/view/elmo-exterminatus-explosion-nuke-40k-gif-22693290

[fast dew]

Remember, warframes feel emotions, now, what does the void do when emotions are irregular?

[cinder halo]

thats fair

so what he crashed a house party essentially?

[dark compass]

Yes

And guilt tripping himself into being jailed by Ballas

The only guilt he should be feeling is about feeling guilty about what he has done

Release my man Kullervo, he did nothing wrong (saying that to Kullervo himself)

[cinder halo]

Lol, so broski just sits there now? self imposed exile type ?

[fast dew]

Not the first time that's happened in duviri

[cinder halo]

ykw thats fair, pretty much the perfect frame to match the drifter in a sense

[main arch]

Warp...

Most likely Warp.

https://tenor.com/view/warp-warhammer-40k-gif-17286150479063337492

That Warp.

[dark compass]

The event horizon experience

[coral mirage]

Insert "For the Emperor" Meme here.

[main arch]

https://tenor.com/view/space-marine-warhammer-40k-for-the-emperor-handshake-bro-shake-gif-14167301251661325594

[coral mirage]

Atta lad.

While I would love for us to fight a Lovecraftian looking super boss, it's sadly not going in that direction

[main arch]

Its all fun and games until the faceless horse electrolytes woman, the father who hates Sentients, and the esoteric, possibly tortured, snake chemist suddenly start operating themselves all on their own.

[coral mirage]

makes for a great soap opera though

in all fairness, the designs are great, but they are also heavily inspired by myth. I mean Erra and the Ram, etc.

And then seeing a Shuma-Gorath looking monster sliding out of a moon and now moves towards Earth

[proper barn]

Okay.

So the warframe void is more interesting to me.

Cuz like when a "TERRIBLE NO GOOD EMOTIONS ARE HIEGHTENED." Dimension is so like just evil and stuff its not as interesting as the Void is.

Which has its own like fully fledged people and has been used in a lot of "good TM" ways.

[limber hull]

Is roathe a power scaler? He has plans to fight the operator in case we ever fight the tenno. Also In canon does the drifter like the operator or they just work for business?

[rustic condor]

I have a sneaky suspicion that Nitokh and Garuda have something to do with each other.

[gentle isle]

You can choose in dialogue whether the drifter likes the operator or treats them indifferently

My head canon is that the drifter and operator have sibling vibes

[rustic condor]

I’m on Kim chat and i don’t think it’s a coincidence Roathe refers to Nitokh as the blood queen.

[normal mountain]

I don't think it's a coincidence either

I'm fairly confident Garuda was made for Nitokh
Either by her request, or in her honor

[limpid ember]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3ZGsx4ukMw

[proper barn]

She has similar symbols and is called the blood queen.

So probably.

[brittle siren]

wait so if Wally manifest from Albrecht, does that means Wally is as smart as him?

[jolly root]

Maybe but wally might have his ego

[lean garden]

not necessarily

its like asking if skittergirl is automatically as smart as yonta

[brittle siren]

skittergirl is from Yonta?

[lean garden]

yes

she tells you this lol

[brittle siren]

but tbf Wally is special, he literally copy Albrecht when the guy go through Wall of Lohk

I just realized that Wally can just manifest in any form, other void-made being are all stuck with their current existing one

He like a mimic

[jolly root]

More like an embodiment

Every sjifting

[lean garden]

doesn't really necessitate that wally got albrecht's smarts now does it

[brittle siren]

yeah but like he could have ability to copy anything from the victim

even if he can't utilized the "smart", he still gaining knowledge

no wonder why Albrecht need all the help

[fast dew]

It does seem to be some form of snowball effect, in regards to wally

[topaz stirrup]

So do you think Wally can mimic an ability if he sees you do something? An attack for instance?
If so, he'd add that to his skill set. Wally is smart in a way though because he's someone you literally make a deal with. Albrecht did, we did, and rumor is Lotus did too.

[fast dew]

Albrecht didnt make a deal w wally lol

Conceptual embodiment is why wally has Albrecht's memories and shit

[topaz stirrup]

Ah, okay. Whoops

[jolly root]

I dont think lotus made a deal

But im not sure

[topaz stirrup]

I thought I heard mention in conversation with someone in game that she did. But maybe not. Maybe they were assuming.

So if Wally likes making deals...do you think that's a trait from Entrati?

[jolly root]

Im not sure

[wise quiver]

I wonder if we will actually be going to tau, or doing some weird transference thing across time and space to pilot some left behind warframes or something.

[jolly root]

I think well be going to tau

I think

Maybe a deal with hunhow or stalker or something

I still wamt umbra in the lore more though

[lean garden]

I don't think anyone mentioned her making a deal with wally in game

[lean garden]

^

last tennocon they alluded to repairing the rail

[fast dew]

Unlikely. Albrecht isn't much of a deal maker, thats more of Parvos thing

[brittle siren]

we will, it literally said "Tau 2026" during last year Tennocon

[narrow pendant]

tau tomorrow i feel it...

[wise quiver]

That just means Tau as a thing in the game is showing up, we have no idea about the details of the form it will take.

I was asking from a mixture of lore/gameplay. Tau, as a gamespace, will 100% exist. As for how we, the tenno, get there is an entirely separate question.

DE has the potential to do a 'reset' of sorts by having us do a 'long range transference' and we possess a left behind warframe and have to scrounge for new resources/weapons/etc in Tau.

Because otherwise is massive implications simply due to the fact it will open up every faction to going to tau, not just us.

[brittle siren]

again, we literally see current Tau in the teaser (the egg and Adis mask), and they show a whole planet looming over Perita

[wise quiver]

Okay? Do we see our Liset there? Grineer/Corpus?

You seem to be under the assumption that "Oh, We aren't really going to Tau" is what I mean, that's not what I mean.

What I mean is, will the way we get to tau allow us to bring our resources with us.

[feral cape]

We're the only ones with a finger drive problamo solved

[wise quiver]

I don't think it's that simple. There would still have to be a relay, after all wasn't like half the thing the sentients building the rail network from origin to tau?

[fast dew]

... we can void travel

[feral cape]

Its broken dont let them fix it

Problem solved

[wise quiver]

Then how do we get to tau?

[feral cape]

Finger drive

[wise quiver]

Right, which would leave behind our gear and stuff.

[wise quiver]

That's what the Zariman used and that...didn't work, remember?

[fast dew]

Yonta had been talking about how it wouldve been possible to void jump to tau, if we did it in small jumps

[fast dew]

Which. Was because it was one big jump

[feral cape]

Because the orokin are stupid

[hazy prism]

we can move our orbiter to orbit different planets, i don't see why that applies to going to Tau?

[wise quiver]

Distance is the issue.

[fast dew]

Yonta, the void scientist outside the entrati family, says it would be possible

[wise quiver]

Remember, we still use the rail network in the origin system to move from planet to planet.

[fast dew]

And now that the entrati family are involved, its getting more and more likely

[feral cape]

Theres also a fringe case for quantum entanglement

But thats kinda headcannony

[fast dew]

Not if we use void jumps

Like how yonta says we could

[wise quiver]

Mmmm :[

[fast dew]

It is entirely possible, the only reason it failed last time was from Tuvul insisting it should be done in one jump, not multiple

[wise quiver]

My issue with that is that it completely invalidates the local solar rail network. I also feel like that would be unique to the Zariman's engine which is massive compared to our orbiter.

[fast dew]

... our railjack does it

[feral cape]

Upgrade the railjack

[fast dew]

Our railjack does void jumps on a regular lol

[wise quiver]

Okay, so upgrade railjack to be able to do multiple jumps from here to tau. What's the travel time of that?

[fast dew]

... does time matter?

[wise quiver]

Yes.

Incase you forgot our tenno is rather important to maintaining the balance of the origin system.

if we leave...that will cause the local powers that be to take action

[fast dew]

Okay, so it takes less than a minute to jump from earth to pluto-

[fast dew]

... only one of us would be leaving

Only the chosen operator

[wise quiver]

Yes, who is important to maintaining the balance of the origin system.

[fast dew]

.. there's other tenno.

[wise quiver]

Who die to the likes of the jackal

[fast dew]

Yeah and???

That deadass doesn't matter

Lotta folk died to jackal, we are only special bcs we have drifter

That is it

[wise quiver]

To the best of our knowledge as players is that we, our chosen operator, is the only tenno to have killed all those bosses.

[fast dew]

Okay and

We see more tenno outside that

We see a dead rhino in the new war lol

[wise quiver]

Yeah, dead

[fast dew]

Also, it would be the warframe that died

Not the tenno.

[wise quiver]

Too many unknowns my guy.

[fast dew]

Why are you so insistent???

[wise quiver]

You're making a lot of assumptions.

[hazy prism]

Just because our Tenno is the chosen operator, doesn't mean the other tenno can't hold the fort, in general, the larger maintenance of the balance is done as a collective, not us as an individual

[fast dew]

Dude i am not being gaslit rn

[wise quiver]

This is all stuff that would have to be explained before we jujmp to tau.

[fast dew]

Yeah.

And it is???

[wise quiver]

Where?

[fast dew]

"Lone tenno operative" is seen in genuinely all defence missions

Who do you think is the other tenno??

[wise quiver]

The other players?

[fast dew]

yeah

No. Its not them.

That line still happens on solo missions

[wise quiver]

or some NPC mook that can be killed.

[fast dew]

... its a tenno

[wise quiver]

Yes.

[fast dew]

In a warframe

[wise quiver]

A NPC mook tenno. Like the rhino who died.

[fast dew]

A tenno, cant be killed.

[fast dew]

IT WAS THE WARFRAME????

We arent the only tenno with multiple warframes

[wise quiver]

That we don't know, as it's very heavily implied that our operator is unique with that immortaility.

[fast dew]

We literally see that with stalker and the Loki? He killed

[mystic lynx]

For every exterminate we do there's a tenno doing a defense mission

[wise quiver]

This, where is your proof that there are other non player operators with multiple warframes.

Okay when you say multiple do you mean Loki, Mirage, Volt, or just multiple copies of a Loki?

[fast dew]

... its a dead Loki

A beheaded Loki.

[wise quiver]

It's the head of a loki stalker drops off and hunhow is all "yes, no matter how many you kill they keep coming."

Where as from my position, from the "player viewing the chosen operator's story" we are the only tenno, the only operator, who has defeated all the bosses and 'maintained balance' in the system.

[fast dew]

Thats

Dumb and stupid

Frankly the wrong interpretation

[wise quiver]

Explain it to me then.

Because as I understand it, from the way the game explains the story, the jackal isn't dead until you the player enter and fight the jackal.

[fast dew]

Who do you think protects the origin system when we are in the dark refractory?

[wise quiver]

I assume we are taking breaks from that and going to do other missions then go back.

[fast dew]

Who do you think protects the system when we're doing any quest

[hazy prism]

ok the problem is, there has been Tenno before us who maintained the balance, every major event like scarlet spear and gargoyle's cry show that the tenno as a FACTION not us individually keeps the balance

[fast dew]

Uh.

No.

That is an assumption!

We don't take breaks.

Especially in this most recent quest

[wise quiver]

Yes it is, because we have no idea how much time is passing while we are in the dark refactory.

It could be hours, minutes.

[fast dew]

Thats why we almost in the dark refractory man. We didnt take a break.

Considering how many quests are time sensitive, I doubt it

Second dream has a huge sense of urgency

[wise quiver]

Okay, there is a difference between spending a few hours to a day at most for most of the quest things and spending weeks traveling to tau and doing stuff there

[fast dew]

Okay but thats just not true

[proper barn]

why would it take a week to travel to tau?

The solar rail travel did it instantl.

[fast dew]

They dont want the rail open

[wise quiver]

Because we are doing, according to the people here, multiple smaller void jumps.

[proper barn]

no?

who said that?

[fast dew]

Wr could, because you didnt want the Rail.

[wise quiver]

As far as I know/recall the solar rail network from tau to origin was destroyed in the old war.

[proper barn]

half

half of it was destroyed. the origin half.

I think we might rebuild it. but that's just me.

[wise quiver]

And I never said I didn't want it opened, I said DE had the opportunity to create a reset by having us do a long range transference to tau.

[wise quiver]

No, the sentients build nodes along the entire long trip to Tau out in deep space. Like a train rail.

Again, from my understanding of what was explained to me via the game.

[proper barn]

also Yonta says she could do it in 1 big jump now. but a few smaller jumps wouldn't be weeks.

[wise quiver]

It's not node A in origin and node B in Tau to the best of my knowledge.

[proper barn]

yes. TO CONNECT THE 2 sides.

Hunhow destories the origin side.

[fast dew]

... create a reset by long range transference- what are you on about??

[wise quiver]

Right, but the zariman is also bugger all massive(with an engine to match) compared to our railjack/orbiter.

[fast dew]

.. its big to hold people and colonisation equipment

[proper barn]

our orbiter doesn't have a requliqary drive. @wise quiver

[fast dew]

Our railjack does

[proper barn]

also the zariman only has a single requiliary drive

Like our RJ.

[wise quiver]

I know the origin system point was destroyed, what about all the nodes/relays along the way which complete the rail from origin to tau.

[proper barn]

They seemingly weren't destoryed.

otherwise why would pazzul seemingly want to rebuild it.

[fast dew]

Considering we now have the help from the entrati family, along with yonta, they absolutely could modify the railjack to have extra shit to it, if needed

[wise quiver]

Does he want to rebuild it? I must have missed that dialogue. I thought his thing was just taking over the origin system and ruling like a king or what ever.

[proper barn]

IT SEEMS TO BE IMPLYING SO?

he is using a lot of resources and energy.

that we don't know what it's for

AND he took over the 3rd orb in the vallis.

he is also why we know the solar rail was destoryed in the first place.

[wise quiver]

I mean we knew the origin system solar rail was destroyed, or else we would have taken/colonized tau.

[proper barn]

so wouldn't be suprised if we have like a quest or boss fight that us fighting the 3rd orb to stop him.

[fast dew]

Also, if DE is saying tau this year, we're going to tau this year

[proper barn]

yeah.

[fast dew]

Likely in December

[proper barn]

they also said current day tau.

WE MIGH ALSO USE um big ship.

[wise quiver]

Yeah, I'm just wondering how we're gonna get there and the implecations of that.

[proper barn]

Big senteint ship.

[wise quiver]

Because if its literally just us thats lame.

[fast dew]

Murex?

[proper barn]

no