lore-discussion

[fast dew]

"Beyond the wall of Lohk - by A. Entrati"

I think it was a moment of "we end as we began" for him (this seems to be related to the ouroborus, a symbol heavily associated with alchemy)

He was reborn in the void, he dies in the void, and if that takes wally out with him, then its worth it

Mans just cant die

[dawn shuttle]

he is OBSESSED with ending as he began. bro must have loved being a baby i stg

[fast dew]

Like that stupid ass doomguy trope "too angry to die" but its Albrecht and "too guilty to die"

[dawn shuttle]

he has plot armor and he HATES it

[fast dew]

Dawg you're a furry ofc you're gonna understand that 😭
-# furries and having media literacy is so common and I adore it

[dawn shuttle]

im sorry im not lol

[tall echo]

Ok but how, the zariman 1. Disappeared and 2. Wasn't the one we visit later when it reappeared for a short time

[fast dew]

IS THAT PROFILE NOT A FURSONA

HOMIE

[dawn shuttle]

its not lmao but i get that read

[tall echo]

I recognize the birb

[fast dew]

Anthro bird person

I

I might be dumb explain it

[dawn shuttle]

well I dont know what to tell you

[fast dew]

[dawn shuttle]

even to the extent that the pfp is supposed to be anthropomorphic, (which i honestly don't remember, my ex painted it for me many years ago), it's like not an identity thing

[fast dew]

So you're like

I

Im not awake enough for this

[tall echo]

Sleep

[fast dew]

Can't

[dawn shuttle]

i just like the picture and i am not upset by the reading of it as a fursona, so like whatever

[fast dew]

Migraines. Im lyon fr

And tryna draw Albrecht

[tall echo]

Nuh uh

I'm lyon

[fast dew]

Its hard to draw Albrecht when your head is splitting open

Stupid man

[dawn shuttle]

take inspiration; draw albrecht's head splitting open

[fast dew]

Hitting him with a bat

Drawing the blorbos suffering

Giving him cramps, migraines and whatever the hell is making my eyes hurt when i blink

[dawn shuttle]

you know what

[lean garden]

because Assa is build different thats how

[dawn shuttle]

something that would go crazy:

[fast dew]

Mpreg Albrecht? Already on the list

[dawn shuttle]

Beat The Boss arcade game in the höllvania mall but it's albrecht

[fast dew]

I actually need yalls help

Bcs the archives is good and all

But theres only so many people

Do we have any orokin empire alcoholic beverages?

We have wine (maybe)

[tall echo]

Definitely

[fast dew]

Oh its called wine

I just. Aint sure if its actually wine

[dawn shuttle]

do you think you could ferment the void root things into alcohol

[tall echo]

Arboriform, probably not

It's more like cables than actual plants

[fast dew]

Like.

Do grapes still exist

[dawn shuttle]

homemade booze but instead of making you blind it makes you see everything

quill onkko drunk off the gourd on it, trust

[tall echo]

I still think whiskey somehow survived into the empire either unchanged or heavily enhanced

[fast dew]

Albrecht got high out of his gourd with loid

Mucking. Gayasses

God they're so damn gay

I love them

[dawn shuttle]

its awesome

[fast dew]

Loid being a lightweight about it is cool too

Go you wild ass twink go eat that entire plant

Loid scares me

[tall echo]

He should, that twink can use a warframe gun

[fast dew]

Have you seen him? He goes up against the fragmented one with no qualms and a zylok prime

[dawn shuttle]

a straight loid would NOT have ran straight towards the fragmented tide and the vessel with just a zylok

YES

[fast dew]

Gayonetta out in this mf

[tall echo]

Warframe weapons are not made for use by regular people

[fast dew]

And how that mfs swings the ekhein??? Like he scares me so bad

[dawn shuttle]

sleeper build

[fast dew]

Oh

Btw he can double jump

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/77176186148499456/1435489161602928650/Tumblr_l_1222864187355579.gif

[dawn shuttle]

i thought that was a trans people thing

[fast dew]

Go blonde boy go

[tall echo]

Double jumping?

[dawn shuttle]

yeah

[fast dew]

It can leak over, closer to the orokin the more it leaks

[tall echo]

Can you double jump

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i guess thats true

[fast dew]

Yeah

[dawn shuttle]

orokin presumably went crazy gender style

[fast dew]

Remember the orokin do not perceive gender

Your worst enemy just made a based choice

[fast dew]

Now consider this and Albrecht trying to fit into 1999 or 1899

ACTUALLY

I THINK THATS EVEN FUNNIER NOW

[dawn shuttle]

and ballas wanting to be a skater girl

[fast dew]

CARDINAL DRESSAGE LOOKS LIKE A DRESS

THIS MAN DID NOT LEARN ANYTHING ABOUT HOW "men" ARE SUPPOSED TO DRESS

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i wondered about that, did he just rock the obol coat and cap in 'xx99' too

[fast dew]

He appeared as a Cardinal, so i assume not

But he was still a white dude

[dawn shuttle]

"oh you misunderstand, this is overseas fashion"

[fast dew]

Bluebrecht is seemingly after duviri, before triad/hex

[strange turtle]

Imagining him going to the old times first and getting very confused about how strict the 1999 perception of masculinity and femininity where

[dawn shuttle]

oh?

[dawn shuttle]

as in, his orokin look is post duviri?

[fast dew]

Arthritis mentions him having "hair like coiled snakes" which isn't directly proof, but given that white guy Albrecht doesnt have that, its more likely

[fast dew]

He changed before the triad it seems

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i was gonna say

but would he not have that before it all went down too

[fast dew]

I should've worded it better 😭

[dawn shuttle]

yeah this is unforgivable

[fast dew]

Prevoid incident
Void incident
Post void incident
Cavia
Duviri

All would have him blue

Triad and hex would have him as white guy

[dawn shuttle]

yeah that makes sense

[fast dew]

Roathe also doesn't recognise Albrecht now

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i found that very funny

[fast dew]

His voice, yes, but not his face

[dawn shuttle]

roathe about to overthrow the orokin and some guy in the weirdest clothes ever shows up

[fast dew]

Albrecht wears docs btw

Why is he like this

Purple eyeliner, docs, asymmetrical ear piercings

[dawn shuttle]

i assume he just does the classic trenchcoat open to reveal all his drugs

but its just protoframe serums

[fast dew]

He probably stole those from Ballas too

This man stole so much

[dawn shuttle]

i mean,

[fast dew]

And for some reason, Loid is okay with that

[fast dew]

He stole mucking cars

He probably stole the atomicycles

[dawn shuttle]

well yeah who hasn't

[fast dew]

He also definitely commits tax fraud

He ran a clothing store in 1999

"Timeless Style" ALBRECHT.

Sometimes a dad gotta make a pun yk

[dawn shuttle]

i don't think he like, exists as a legal person in 1999

[fast dew]

He doesnt exist as a person in 1999

[dawn shuttle]

he can't even be charged with tax fraud so like theres 0 downsides

[fast dew]

No but he'd be deported

[dawn shuttle]

in fact, given that like 99% of taxes in höllvania at the time probably just go to funding scaldra anyways, tax fraud is the moral thing to do

[fast dew]

Watch, people would argue that he found a way to pay taxes

[dawn shuttle]

what does this mean

[fast dew]

The mischaracterisation of Albrecht makes me want to rip someone's throat out because dear god

[dawn shuttle]

also if it were me i'd have called it "Untime Style" icl

Lohk-ing Fresh

[fast dew]

Albrecht isn't "Albrecht" in 1999 iirc, he just went by the moniker "Doktor Friday" which the "doktor" part might not even come from the area Höllvania is in, im just 99% sure he's German

His mother absolutely was

"little bengel"

[dawn shuttle]

little bengel and all

[fast dew]

So many people write it as little Bengal and its like

No. Bengal is a species of cat

[dawn shuttle]

yeah, they're thinking of Big (hairless) Bengal, or Kalymos as we know her

[fast dew]

Kalymos.. palymos

I also find it funny so many people get upset at Albrecht for leaving his cat in 1999

Like...

Would you rather her be at constant risk

[dawn shuttle]

i think 'Doktor' also just makes sense for the location, like a lot of european languages spell it like that

[lean garden]

yea right eleanor, Im going to totally believe 6 year old eleanor wrote about a cat her future self meets

[fast dew]

Germany specifically, yeah

I know that from uh

Tf2 :)

[dawn shuttle]

training my cat to not be afraid of fireworks by leaving hear to get blown up by a nuclear explosion forever

[fast dew]

If i had a dollar every time I liked a game with a morally questionable person without a medical licence who gets called "Doktor", id have 2 dollars

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i just mean like no matter where exactly höllvania is in europe it makes sense

[fast dew]

Oh yeab

And for some reason France is called Gaulle

Even in 1999

[dawn shuttle]

(also he has enough swag to understand how limp 'Doctor' looks in comparison)

[fast dew]

Let Albrecht have some swag

[dawn shuttle]

he did earn it

underwent swag metamorphosis at some point, thank god

[fast dew]

He can have some salami

[fast dew]

I prefer bluebrecht tbh

[dawn shuttle]

really

wait that makes sense

makes him look more like nihil huh

[fast dew]

NOT EVEN THAT

[dawn shuttle]

suuure

[fast dew]

Okay so like

...

Hes chubby thats why

Dadbod Albrecht is superior

Visible moobs on that guy

[dawn shuttle]

fair enough

[fast dew]

Pop off king

Wide ass stance

[dawn shuttle]

no wonder he shifted the seriglass bell

[fast dew]

No bcs he was skinny during the incident

He, outside this portrait, was skinny

[pale cedar]

Bluebrecht hasn’t got the cool coat and hat

[dawn shuttle]

god damn it headcanon ruined fml

[fast dew]

He straight up just became suburban dad for a hot second

[pale cedar]

He lost weight

Albrecht goes to the gym confirmed

[fast dew]

I think it would've been from the recovery of the void incident

[fast dew]

Or he just neglects himself

[pale cedar]

Wouldn’t he be more likely to gain it if he did that?

[fast dew]

Not if he doesn't eat :)

If he's pushing himself to work, and going periods without eating, hes gonna lose weight

[drowsy saddle]

I feel like Höllvania would better fit the Netherlands? Since there's a cruise ship in the skybox. Also just realized, Höllvania, Holland...

[pale cedar]

But he eats all but one slice of pizza

[fast dew]

Hey I mean

Amount doesn't necessarily mean frequency

He could eat a whole pizza one day, and not eat for the next two

[lean garden]

Albrecht has a secret trick fitness instructors dont want you to know about!

Check with your nearest void construct about using conceptual embodiment to gain muscles fast now!

[dawn shuttle]

yeah he's on adhd meds and has no appetite trust

[fast dew]

Me fr....

[dawn shuttle]

Mr fr....

[fast dew]

I still think that bastard is autisitc

[drowsy saddle]

Would Albrecht's current body still have orokin bio-engineering? If so he'd probably have like, an ulta efficient 99% nutrient absorption stomach

[fast dew]

Albrecht didnt seem to be the type for most body mods

[pale cedar]

Someone should ask if Albrecht is Autistic next Reddit ama

[fast dew]

If i can find a writer at tennovip next month, I will ask personally

[drowsy saddle]

Albrecht: me and the butler baddy i pulled by being acoustic

[fast dew]

He really is that

[dawn shuttle]

woke DE making every single character neurodivergent we love to see it

[fast dew]

I think Loid is probably neurotypical

Just. Tired.

[dark compass]

Loid has been through a lot, you can't really judge him

[lean garden]

theres a what now?

[drowsy saddle]

Needs whiskey but all the bottles are in the Netracells

[fast dew]

Yeah he has to deal with our asses

[dark compass]

Every time he says "ill just put it all back then" my heart bleeds out

[fast dew]

Tennovip, tour thingy the devs do iirc

I got tickets and im hyped

[drowsy saddle]

Sorry loid, i just have attention span issues and need to double check your inventory

[pale cedar]

I’d ask but I’m saving my question for are Tenno actually immortal so I can actually shut the message down faster

[lean garden]

the $1000 ticket?? you got it???

[fast dew]

THATS TENNOCON NOT TENNOVIP

Different thing

[lean garden]

the $1000 ticket comes with a tour of DE

youre telling me theres cheaper options this whole time???

[pale cedar]

What’s TennoVIP even about?

[fast dew]

https://www.warframe.com/news/join-us-at-tennovip-events-around-the-world#:~:text=TennoVIP is a series of events that,be notified when tickets go on sale.

Tennovip! They had 4 last year post tennocon

[lean garden]

oh its that

[drowsy saddle]

Around the world

Around
Around
Around the world

[fast dew]

Don't even.

FOR GODS SAKE

[pale cedar]

When we going to bring TennoVIP to Tau?

[fast dew]

Considering that they're finally gonna be in Australia, soon methinks

[drowsy saddle]

They go to the land down under

[lean garden]

what this year's locations

[fast dew]

I... dont know :D

I think Australia is the last one before actual tennocon

[lean garden]

May you have a pleasant time brushing your teeth

[fast dew]

But they'll do more after

[fast dew]

Thank you thats a sensory thing I have issues with, so thanks

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-overweight-belly-gif-4496235569375649201

[dawn shuttle]

tennovip sweden trust 🙏

[solid mason]

I was thinking,

If Hildryn Prime was made to be Ballas's personal bodyguard... would that mean in-lore she's at least as tall as him?

[brittle siren]

She not really his personal frame, she just stated to be behind the scene to protect the higher up

[pale cedar]

Height isn’t the most important factor when being a bodyguard

[dawn shuttle]

how else do you protect from someone goomba stomping your client

er, i guess she can fly

[pale cedar]

A gun usually works

[dawn shuttle]

their corpse lands on the client

instant death im afraid

[pale cedar]

Height isn’t the issue that is considered when you’re a bodyguard it’s awareness of potential threats that is

[dawn shuttle]

no cause you'd walk around hunched over your client so they can't be stomped

[pale cedar]

Not if you take out the threat before it even becomes a threat

[dawn shuttle]

this is true actually

[hazy prism]

Ballas is so real for having his personal bodyguard be a buff woman

[iron pond]

Could we get characters that we already know the fates being protos with albrect messing around in time and space giving the proto serum, like one of cephalons we know gets turned into a proto before they become a cephalon because of eternalism so we have the same character but one is a cephalon but the other is a proto

[opaque zenith]

Most probably not, because we, for example, live in the timeline where Roathe "sudently disappeared" and temple "just showed up on the murder day", so we're essentilaly living the reality where the things happened already, from our perpective at least
Is like we're chasing a time-traveler but living in the "end-of-all-alteratins-rality"

[azure jasper]

I mean, we kind of are chasing one. Albrecht.

[pale cedar]

Using Eternalism to solve problems for the millionth time

[opaque zenith]

And eternalism would change another "us" reality, not our own, in this thinking

[opaque zenith]

Yes, and we live in a "no Roathe" reality too

Notice the "" before responding

[dark compass]

how about you eternalism yourself some

uh, automod doesnt let me say it in full

[pale cedar]

I might jump into the branch where players understand how Eternalism works

This one ain’t good enough

[strange turtle]

No

The past can be changed, so it wouldn’t be an alternate version, they’d just have been a proto instead and the timeline would change

[fast dew]

Something something the palimpsest of space time something something eternalism

[pale cedar]

Palempest of Warframe players know nothing about Warframe

[dark compass]

"time is convoluted in lordran"

https://tenor.com/view/cat-the-voices-thevoices-cat-the-voices-cat-thevoices-gif-10261263063736228754

wait this is the wrong server

why am i here

[opaque zenith]

In my defense, I go by be thinking that eternalism was never actually achieved, just timelines merges (by drifter on acident and Baro cause Wally wanted to be funny)

[pale cedar]

It’s a future mistake you accessed early

[fast dew]

This is completely valid

[opaque zenith]

So I respond based on that

[fast dew]

In general, eternalism shouldn't be treated as something thats even remotely accessible

We've had a few cases of it existing, but it does seem to be finicky and not as simple as "other timeline merged"

[dark compass]

eternalism is just a theory...

[fast dew]

I don't think red baro was wally

It's fundamentally not like wally

[pale cedar]

The person still hasn’t said anything based on what we have said I think the Eternalism goblin got them

[pale cedar]

That’s what Wally wants you to think

[dark compass]

they did say something

just not in this timeline

[fast dew]

I don't think its him! He always sucks at hiding himself

Even with Neci

Or the ARG

[dark compass]

i feel like Wally wants to be noticed

even if all it can do is mimic

[fast dew]

Well, if the idea that the more attention we give him, the stronger he gets is real, then yeah, makes total sense

[pale cedar]

They didn’t say anything in that timeline either I checked they didn’t respond in the other timeline they asked it called WFCD

[dark compass]

i checked the other timeline and turns out i didnt have pants in that one

[fast dew]

Ew WFCD

[dark compass]

warframe community discord?

[fast dew]

Mhm.

The horrors.

[dark compass]

i tried joining it and then saw that you have to be chronically online to post images

on one hand i pass the test but on the other hand

[pale cedar]

I managed to get past that restriction

[fast dew]

Good thing about WFCD, they understand that refusing to call Flare by their pronouns is transphobic. Unlike something recently.

[pale cedar]

I just applied for Tenno Scholar so I got access to sending them

[fast dew]

Downside, GMK/Voh

[dark compass]

what happened?

i mean what went wrong with wfcd

[pale cedar]

Voh is actually banned from this server

Voh and GMK basically think they’re the only people with correct answers

[fast dew]

Reached a boiling point where mods deadass never stepped in when Voh was being particularly inflammatory, for a long long time

My first interaction with him was like. I was in a solo netracell run and asked Voh for a source on his disagreement to something I said, (which i ended up being correct on now, so go eat shit Voh) and mf began to just straight up call me lazy which. Certainly set my mind on what kind of person he was

Oh, and 8ball was really weird and mods just excused it

I was told to go to mods about it but like

Homie the mods were there

[pale cedar]

When I made Scholar on that server Voh and GMK actually tried to target me

[dark compass]

yall got lore ranks

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[fast dew]

That server is all about ranks

Full of people who think they're better than one another because of a colour and arbitrary privileges

[dark compass]

have they not watched the critically acclaimed pixar movie ratatouille

[pale cedar]

The server has supporter staff roles you can apply for

[dark compass]

a rat controlling my hair knows eternalism better than anyone

[pale cedar]

There isn’t really lore ranks

[fast dew]

Before everything went down, I could've probably applied for scholar

Alas, Voh was being a particularly pretentious piece of shit one day

[dark compass]

well this server seems to be fine, more or less

[fast dew]

Refused to accept that, for some reason, just cuz he found the lore easy to understand, doesnt mean everyone else does

[fast dew]

Yeah. Mainly cus they're not here

The other wf lore server im in is chill too

[pale cedar]

Voh is also selective on who he gives the info to

[dark compass]

reminds me of trying to join the souls lore community

[fast dew]

At least yall have a lore community

[dark compass]

but i got banned from a server for pointing out that the statue someone has been dissecting is a stock asset

[fast dew]

Me n doom got like.

M0nologue and their... god idk how many pages now, lore doc

And we're friends 😭

[dark compass]

but then suddenly turns out i got banned for a diff reason

turns out i was friends with someone mods didnt like

[fast dew]

Mm.

Mods tend to turn out like that

[opaque zenith]

Just don't have friends

[fast dew]

One normal, but wrong interaction with a person causes problems in so many places

[dark compass]

well souls community is garbage all the way

lore just has people like you described speaking like they are an authority

[fast dew]

So is Doom's. The fandom is full of media illiterate idiots.

[dark compass]

lining up images of uteruses on a stock texture of a stone wall saying that it conveys a deep philosophical statement on nuclear physics and how the area is an allusion to fission

i am not joking or exaggerating

[fast dew]

... uteruses

[dark compass]

yes, uteruses

[pale cedar]

The lore channel in community server is generally fine other than when select people are awake to explain why only their thoughts can be correct

[fast dew]

As an owner of one, I struggle to make the connection.

[dark compass]

believe me they too

but they do their best

[fast dew]

Some folk from there are cool and could probably join the archives

But honestly I really can't wait till either Voh or GMK tries to join

[pale cedar]

Voh isn’t allowed to join Archives anyway

[fast dew]

Is it bad of me to want them to feel that rejection

[fast dew]

They will just get banned yeah, but they'd might try anyways

Funny as shit that theres a CAH card about Voh

Thats how you know he is prolific

[pale cedar]

Voh is the person who said Gray will eventually start making money with ads

[fast dew]

Grey gets almost nothing from the archives 😭

I donate occasionally

[dark compass]

the real problem of souls lore community is that 99% of people just watch insane lore theories that spend 2 hours talking about historical references and some deep philosophical relations between alchemy, religion and mesopotamian myphos, instead of actually just reading what the game says in plain text

because every single souls player is a bloodlusted murderhobo when it comes to actually engaging with source material

[fast dew]

This but doom, except we don't even get those theories

Its just. "Muh doomguy doesnt have ptsd"

And its.

It makes me violent.

[dark compass]

i imagine doom eternal did irreversible damage

[fast dew]

NOT EVEN ETERNAL

IT WAS OLDER SHIT

[dark compass]

ouch

[fast dew]

DOOM 2016 SET IT HP

DOOM ETERNAL BLEW IT UP

The dark ages is fine though

Lore is a little lacking bcs the eternal idiots didnt wanna read and needed it spoon-fed to them

I got called delusional for pointing out the connection or call back to the tether in 2016 and the tether in TDA

[dark compass]

:(

[fast dew]

"Samuel being the seraphim is a retcon" HOW IS IT A RETCON IF IT WAS PLANNED FROM THE START

THAT STUPID ROBOT USES THE DEMONIC CRUICBLE.

VEGA WAS LITERALLY THEMED ON A MAYKR AND GUESS WHAT SAMUEL IS

"But he was human once!!" HE STOLE THAT PERSON'S SKIN.

HE STOLE THEIR SKIN

[drowsy saddle]

The modern dooms is like going through the lourve at like 100 miles an hour, you gotta slow down and soak it all in

[fast dew]

There absolutely is gems you can find in the story

You just gotta stop and think

[drowsy saddle]

Really difficult nowadays

[fast dew]

Like. In one cutscene, you can hear doomguy screaming through a flashback

You can see him tense up when before the tether activates in the ending cutscene to TDA's first level

Small shit that adds so much to the character

[fast dew]

You have no idea.

"Too angry to die" HE LITERALLY JUST KILLED HIMSELF

[drowsy saddle]

I am intimately familiar with the "READ USER READ" meme gif

[fast dew]

HOW DO YOU MISS THAT HE JUST TRIED TO KILL HIMSELF

Not even tried

He did. He died.

He killed himself because he would prefer death than being stuck, helpless

It was deadass luck that he was even brought back

[dawn shuttle]

i love him saying this sm, he's so real for it

[pale cedar]

I Prefer this though

[drowsy saddle]

Isolated its funny, but the context is that roathe really hates that we flip flop on whether wally is a god

[fast dew]

I hate that we can't agree with him

[dawn shuttle]

see this one is annoying because

yeah, that

[fast dew]

Like im sorry Roathe

[drowsy saddle]

I think he is one, but more fictonal rather than the classic big G in the sky. Meaning wally can be killed

[pale cedar]

You can agree with him

[fast dew]

Later down the line yeah

[drowsy saddle]

Also i think roathe hates the word god because the orokin overused it

[fast dew]

The initial conversation doesnt have an agreement iirc

[pale cedar]

If you reset he actually asks you if he succeeded

[dawn shuttle]

i want the satisfaction of going "yeah i mean he's obv conceptually embodied" immediately

[fast dew]

The perception of godhood and the orokin enforcing that or whatever

[pale cedar]

Players always assuming powers = God is stupid

[dawn shuttle]

and like, it's presumably not a foreign concept to the drifter, either, what with Sythel iirc like saying that straight up as well

[dark compass]

If drifter could manifest duviri I don't see how Wally couldn't be manifested

[drowsy saddle]

Like, yeah bud i agree that the sentient concrete structure can and should be taken behind the shed. But you gotta admit that the sentient concrete wall is beyond mortal comprehension

[pale cedar]

It’s not even just Sythel as even Albrecht says he created Wally

[dawn shuttle]

im just sayin they probably heard her say it a bajillion times already

[opaque zenith]

One of the few translation team W, in my language at least is that Wally got called "Anti-God", which i find it more fitting even if I'm in the CE theory wagon

[fast dew]

Tbf Roathe's perception of wally likely comes from that

[pale cedar]

Sythel’s perception probably came from that

Albrecht was a teacher

[dark compass]

Wallace, my son. Meet Loid - your other dad

[fast dew]

A man who asked Thrax for permission for shit

[fast dew]

Realistically Loid would just adopt his ass if he was a real kid

Loid does that. He does that a lot

[pale cedar]

With his permission I got my lab back

[dawn shuttle]

albrecht looking at the drifter coming to höllvania like yo! i recognize you from duviri! how you been??

[fast dew]

Albrecht keeping so many weird things in his netracells is the funniest thing

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/gif-gif-20744540

[pale cedar]

Most normal Albrecht thing ever

[fast dew]

Golden maw (how tf did he get that), the female entrati family member's tokens, fire extinguisher. Vagabond's mask, books, pens, a Vitruvian, his mask, a cat bed and kuria labelled as a toy

[dark compass]

Kuria...

[fast dew]

Oh! And the most important thing

He keeps his Daughter's book in the netracells.

[dawn shuttle]

one of these days i'm gonna open a netracell and he'll have quill onkko in there

[lilac aspen]

“Loid, dear, I know this piece of wood isn’t useful but it might be useful in the future if we need it.”

[dark compass]

"Don't mind me"

[fast dew]

He absolutely did that

I do that

I have a block of wood

[dark compass]

The nestawood...

[pale cedar]

Vagabond just wears a Duviri mask so it’s just his mask

Pen and books are normal to have

A Vitruvian is normal to have for an Orokin

[fast dew]

I really wanna know what nestawood looks like

[dark compass]

Like a block of wood

[fast dew]

Yeah but why are those in a vault with so high security 😭

[fast dew]

They're described as a root

But is it a thin or thick root?

[pale cedar]

He’s Autisbrecht he likes all his things in a safe place

[fast dew]

Yes.... spread the autisitc Albrecht propaganda....yess....

[pale cedar]

It makes perfect sense

Well the fish doesn’t

Maybe he likes fishing

[fast dew]

Brought home a golden maw one day and loid is like

[dark compass]

The golden maw seems like something you can catch

[fast dew]

Loid is too sober for Albrecht's shenanigans

[dawn shuttle]

No loid trust me the chosen operator will find this really funny

[pale cedar]

Loid’s a butler he knows not to question it

[dark compass]

It's like those shitty wall mounted fish

[fast dew]

Give that man a bottle of wine and some weed he needs that shit

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cute-funny-fish-talking-happy-gif-3535762

[dark compass]

Sometimes you also have to show care for your loved ones' wellbeing

[pale cedar]

The question is how did he carry the fish and what happened to the other Maw we see?

[fast dew]

He also has a smaller version of his hat

[dark compass]

And whether dragging a giant fish monster all the way here is a good idea

[pale cedar]

Do Maws just reset each loop or something?

[drowsy saddle]

Is the maw just albrecht seeing how accurate the duviri one is to the ones in places like the Yuna theater mountain?

Or are maws a purely fictional thing

[dawn shuttle]

ie, the operator imagined them during war within because they had read duviri?

[fast dew]

Its mounted into a wall in a netracell, if it was for study i dont know if it would be there

[pale cedar]

Maws probably are a real thing

[dark compass]

According to notes they appeared in duviri from the undercroft

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah, like obviously the orokin could probably have just 3D printed the thing

[dark compass]

So they're probably real

[drowsy saddle]

But did they?

[dark compass]

Maw is just a prime version of fortuna fish

[pale cedar]

Isn’t actual Maw Prime anyway?

[dark compass]

Yeah

That's what I said

[dawn shuttle]

if only albrecht made the vessels based on these instead of on arthur etc

[drowsy saddle]

Fishthur

[dawn shuttle]

fish-based war against wally

[drowsy saddle]

Aoi the Koi maw

[dawn shuttle]

koi pronounced like aoi so true

[dark compass]

"void is like a bottomless sea. We need fish to handle it."

[pale cedar]

Albrecht did try throwing a fish at Wally

[opaque zenith]

Fishingale

[dawn shuttle]

yeah but it was too small !!!

[drowsy saddle]

What about Lettie's pobbers

Fish pobbers

[dark compass]

Fibonacci in a mech suit

[dawn shuttle]

imagine if the fish was thiiiis big . it would have killed him fs

[dark compass]

Chewing on the wall like sharks chew on cables

[pale cedar]

Why don’t we just throw a nuke at Wally surely it’ll work

[dark compass]

That's what Qorvex is

[pale cedar]

You’re Qorvex

[dawn shuttle]

i have a question, do you think ballas chose to open a portal to tau by devouring the sun just for the theatrics of it all?

[dark compass]

I'm not :(

[dawn shuttle]

or is he just that owned by albrecht, who i presume will not destroy the sun to go to tau

[dark compass]

I won't take the serum

You can't make me

[pale cedar]

You haven’t got a choice

[dark compass]

I am going to fight

[pale cedar]

K

Go fight

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i think qorvex says this too when he loads into a mission

[woven coyote]

What?

[opaque zenith]

He was totally being an Ass (fitting) but surelly there's other safer method

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/angy-angry-angy-cat-angy-kitten-angy-kitty-gif-9568856844255409141

[dark compass]

His famous battle quotes include "it's qorvexing time"

And "NovaUmbral got nothing on me"

[opaque zenith]

Which one? Idk

[dawn shuttle]

yeah its just interesting, you'd think he'd figure out a less complicated plan for getting there

although, i guess without drifter getting the operator back it would have worked, so i can't even really fault him for it

[strange turtle]

[dawn shuttle]

easy solution is to turn your brain off as soon as you see power scaling

[fathom tundra]

In another universe far far away, alternative Assa is talking about his favorite game, Warfish, and how cool it would be if the warfish were humanoid instead

[dawn shuttle]

i hate you eternalism types or whatever

[median sinew]

Why does the Lotus look amazing? Is she aura farming?

[dawn shuttle]

yeah, she's trying to get corrosive projection

[pale cedar]

Aura farming wasn’t even a word when it came out so no

[dawn shuttle]

Outside of the warframe context, at least

[median sinew]

then she is grandstanding?

wait wrong word-

[dawn shuttle]

God forbid a mother has a little swag

[opaque zenith]

She's being so wizard

[median sinew]

I got it, she is slammin?

[pale cedar]

She’s just your space mother being space mother

[median sinew]

You're right. Space mommin.

[dawn shuttle]

Though the Lotus would know all about farmers, what with her father being one

and he has aura

[median sinew]

Space mom the All-mommer

[dawn shuttle]

Almost all mommer

Famously not rell-mommer

[fast dew]

Grofit

She lacks the grofit

[dawn shuttle]

Do you think the lotus sits on a fat stash of plat

[fast dew]

The gunds. No grofit...

[median sinew]

yes

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/explosion-cat-gif-5858640239144030160

[median sinew]

She is rich with plat. You could say she is plat

[pale cedar]

She is the plat

[dawn shuttle]

Why do the tenno farm prime parts for plat instead of selling spare frames to the corpus. Are they stupid?

[median sinew]

The real stupid thing is that they don't give Lotus hugs for free plat. Operator is a child afterall.

[pale cedar]

They seemingly only buy built frames and we can’t sell built frames

[dawn shuttle]

Maybe she's really stingy

[median sinew]

but I guess Space Mom is a good Space Mom, she doesn't spoiler her kids.

[dawn shuttle]

She just abandons them for a couple of years

[median sinew]

"If I become something you do not recongize. Do not mourn." - Space Mom

yeah.. if Space dad left.. then why does Space Mom leave?

[dawn shuttle]

Well space dad kinda y'know

Died?

[median sinew]

BALLAS!

[fathom tundra]

He's not dead, just hanging out with our cooler alternate self in Narnia

[dawn shuttle]

lol

that's his weird twin

[dark compass]

tenno are having it easy

actual economy is in absolute shambles

[pale cedar]

All the profit we’re missing out on though

[dark compass]

no thats just an average price of a lich with a funny name and an ephemera

[median sinew]

Here is how DE adding "hugging the Lotus" as a feature fits lore.

1. The Lotus is space mom
   Since the beginning the Lotus has been so epic and awesome. From sheer design, to sheer epic ability, like Space Mom is op.

2. Space Mom is Tenno Mom
   In this case it makes more sense. Tenno = Operator = Child + Lotus = Space Mom = Happy Family.

3. Lotus needs a hug.
   Evidence from the Lotus Eaters main ost, suggests that when the Lotus sings and remembers the Tenno she is happy. She must long for a cozy feeling.

And that's why DE should add hugging the Lotus. Reb would approve.

[desert bison]

Dude what?

[tall echo]

Bruh, 4kk

[waxen mesa]

to be fair. He's selling a warframe. something exclusively restricted to the Tenno whom nobody has ever managed to get their hands on.

He's essentially selling a doomsday weapon

and then gets shot in the head for his trouble

which is why nobody has ever gotten their hands on one

[woven coyote]

Closer to selling the chassis of a rare car
No engine no fuel no functioning bits

[dark compass]

I was more so making fun of the number compared to player economy, but wasn't he actually getting bids for the zanuka project

Considering the scale of production of everything this is probably a more than reasonable price

[waxen mesa]

aren't Zanukas just essnetially a warframe set to automatic

[dark compass]

Not really?

[woven coyote]

If it was zanuka it was just a funny hyena with a kidnapping program

[waxen mesa]

they can use abilities can't they?

[woven coyote]

Not rlly

[waxen mesa]

...doesn't Lotus say fighting a zanuka is like fighting a warframe??

it's been awhile since one has shown up for me

[woven coyote]

It has missiles and a crio bomb

Oh and a nully bomb

And the hunter model has a penchant for kidnapping

[dark compass]

They're made out of bits and pieces of warframes repurposed for durability and whatever

Since the zanuka is using valkyr's flayed skin

[woven coyote]

Yeah bits of warframe shell in its make but no abilities

[dark compass]

Yeah they don't have any warframe abilities

Just moa-esque stuff like stomps and lasers

[woven coyote]

Turns out no durability either

[waxen mesa]

is there Styanx lore or whatever his name is

why is he sold by Kahl*

[dark compass]

Only the leverian

[woven coyote]

Thing folds almost as fast as the sergeant

[dark compass]

"only" as if it's a bottom line lol

[woven coyote]

Chipper found im probably in the black market

[dark compass]

Actually Styanax leverian is not even about Styanax

It has barely anything to do with Styanax

He appears as a side character and a distraction

And that's literally it

[woven coyote]

Like the stuff in that store is just stuff chipper sources through his channels

[dark compass]

https://youtu.be/bSVwtO5i2UM

Whole leverian is in this cool short

But again it's just not about Styanax

[waxen mesa]

Styanax lore

"He once saved someone"

[woven coyote]

And then funny australian found his bits

[waxen mesa]

on the sillier end of lore discussion but

how do you think the Orokin felt about Adis's song

a few of the lyrics are "Orokin are dumb"

[dark compass]

Unrelated but I just realized what your pfp is

I thought its some sort eldritch creature with a vertical eye

[waxen mesa]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1259556590005125213/1352071700216545290/commission_icon.gif

[dark compass]

Must consume the slurry

[waxen mesa]

based off an animation from NCS artist

[pale cedar]

A what artist?

[dark compass]

Ncs

https://tenor.com/view/ncs-artist-keeshee-smited-laser-light-gif-12510522770281974566

[ocean geyser]

This is why i couldn’t remember the Themisto assassination because Alad and Zanuka are made of wet paper towel

[peak ether]

i just remembered in the old peace what was that remember together thing during the quest?

[cunning tapir]

Something for you to gain and give help to other players running the same quest.

[peak ether]

ahhh i assumed it was a new mechanic that would persist in perita rebellion

also based on what roathe says, does that mean the original uriel turned his men into more uriel frames? idk how his abilities work yet ive avoided anything on him so i can experience his kit myself

[tall echo]

No, all his soldiers were transformed into uriels

And he seems to imply that he either respects or fears whoever became uriel prime

[peak ether]

isnt that what i said?

[tall echo]

Not by one original, all by someone else

[peak ether]

ahhh mb

[peak ether]

potentially another prime that became a prime without ballas?

[tall echo]

Unlikely

Uriel doesn't do transformations or transmutations

[restive river]

I’m unsure if this is the point of confusion but there was a time when we thought Roathe was the original Uriel, he is not
But Roathe’s soldiers were turned into Uriels

I believe it’s implied the summons were soldiers too

Basically they did Roathe’s army an injustice, a mass punishment
Also Roathe apparently knows who Uriel Prime was iirc

[peak ether]

as in the person who became uriel prime?

[restive river]

Yeah

[peak ether]

just watched a guide on him i wanna rush him now

[restive river]

I apologize that I cannot check the exact line as the wiki hates my phone (I don’t know why-) but it should be on here in La Cathedral

https://wiki.warframe.com/w/Roathe/Quotes

[restive river]

Oh he’s a very fun frame

I would almost say addicting
I had to put him down or I’d burn out lmao

[peak ether]

off topic but i love how complete these newer frames are because they dont need a helmnith crutch to make them better

[restive river]

They’ve been cooking for a good bit now

Helminth should largely be an optional thing
Ik for Oraxia most people subsume over her scuttlers tho

I think most subsumed over one of Temple’s too but idr cause I feel they’ve barely been talked about
At least where I typically look

Anywho
Lore!

[peak ether]

I was so lost in the sauce during the old peace quest that i didnt realise that Adis is the reason were immortal?

[solar rover]

I've never seen a Temple out in the wild, though I have put his subsume on Hydroid just for fun

[restive river]

*Their
Temple is nonbinary

[restive river]

Yeah ig it is
I’m personally not a fan of that being the case but hey, that’s just me

[peak ether]

how come?

[tall echo]

Not exactly but close enough

[peak ether]

also because of the somatic markings ive got i didnt realise that we were badly injured in that fight lol

[restive river]

I feel our revival ability being tied to the Chosen Operator specifically doesn’t make much sense when other Tenno exist and revive in missions all the time, it used to just be a power of the Tenno as a whole not something akin having a Drifter (only the Chosen Operator has the Drifter in-universe)

[peak ether]

yeah thats fair, i love the idea that rell was THE chosen tenno and we simply took over by different means

[restive river]

Yes we have cases of some tenno dying and this explains how they died instead of reviving, sure but
That was never an argument against those deaths

[restive river]

I mean the title of Chosen Operator is given by Pom-2

[eager dragon]

Yeah, it almost certainly not exclusive to the Chosen Operator, considering that, if I'm remembering right, reviving has been mentioned in quests (such as with Mirage).

[restive river]

Rell was The Sentinel

[restive river]

I was trying to look for something on it and I believe scrolled past it but kinda just got frustrated and didn’t look too deeply
That is
Massive though

[strange plinth]

which is why i'm still a fan of it being tied to the "light" that we promised to wally, and Adis gave us his
that kinda just shifts the issue to 'if we gave wally the light already what do we owe now?' though

[peak ether]

i just liked the idea that rell was the peak of tenno because he held back wally solo for so long

[eager dragon]

Personally I remember hearing a theory that I liked that Tenno can die if they effectively... "believe" they died. Basically their body is fine but their brain was so convinced they died that... well, they actually died.

Don't think there is evidence for or against it though, I just like the sound of it.

[restive river]

I mentioned that to Lyon and he denied it, saying that he wasn’t the strongest per say but Rell was ofc strong

[restive river]

I like that, since the tenno absolutely can feel the pain the frame feels that would explain the explosive deaths of I wanna say Mirage and Gara’s tenno

[peak ether]

i still cant talk to him

[restive river]

Just keep messaging Marie and he’ll talk with you

Lyon is like
Literally the best one ngl so I hope you can soon!

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah i love that guy

[eager dragon]

Personally I prefer Roathe but Lyon is really interesting to talk with too.

[peak ether]

yeah im friendly with her now, i couldnt play old peace on release because i was away for a month but ive sort of caught up on the content just not the lore yet

[strange plinth]

the only problem with lyon is that he has less chats because he waits so long lol
but even that is still characterization for him

[eager dragon]

Honestly Marie was the one I enjoyed the least. Still enjoyed her convos, for sure, but they were... not particular of note.

I do like how the options were alot less obvious than the Hex or Roundtable.

[peak ether]

im excited to hear more from roathe because we have a living orokin who can divulge more about the orokin during its peak

[eager dragon]

For real, listening to the Voice messages and talking about stuff like Continuity was interesting.

Also this is like, the only time that the Orokin Empire is mentioned both negatively and positively.

[restive river]

She really got on my nerves with some convos and with others it was really nice seeing the representation (disability, chronic pain)

[restive river]

Yeah no Roathe is amazing just for that

[peak ether]

I want to learn why he thinks Nitohk is much worse than ballas even though she saw that the current state of the orokin was bad so she wanted to kill everyone and take over to change things

[restive river]

His debates and argument can be genuinely frustrating at times but like
I think that’s a mark of the writing being fairly good (same with Marie)

[eager dragon]

I mean, it's definitely partially 'cause he's personally biased against her.

[restive river]

Like I really feel like I’m talking to an Orokin

[peak ether]

amazing

[restive river]

||and for her, weird hate love romance lol||

[eager dragon]

Personally I had more annoyance with the Drifter options than Roathe's. (Even if there are some that are a bit frustrating), lol.

[peak ether]

weird considering he was her boytoy pretty much lol

[restive river]

Oh same
Especially with Marie, but ig I got a bug that made me religious and was forced to then insult her religion cause I didn’t know what the game did to me :p

[peak ether]

had a convo with him today about how he reverse engineered the helminth using his own blood which was wild

[restive river]

I talked with some fellow lore nerds about how I don’t really like Drifter and
Omg that’s the point, they are in some ways this parallel to Thrax and ofc they’ll be flawed and kinda dumb
It is just a tad annoying at times

[restive river]

Yeah that’s kinda insane
It shows how smart every Orokin was
But also why didn’t Albrecht or any other Orokin do that, ig most understood time was not to be mucked with (even Ballas did iirc)

[peak ether]

do we know how many repeats drifter has done in 1999? i feel like they shouldve adjusted well enough

[eager dragon]

Ooof.
Honestly I'm lucky in that I've yet to encounter any major bugs.

Of the top of my head I remember the time the game thought my Drifter followed Sol (despite her saying she's not religious) and one of the conversation history with Roathe was messed up.

[eager dragon]

I just wish we could make them just ever so slightly smarter. Just a tad.
Especially when talking with Kaya.

[restive river]

Nope! At least uh. 2 ig?

[peak ether]

i went with i have a faith but not one you know of and she got really excited

[restive river]

Yeah I’m gonna wait til things are fixed and then give the Triad another go
I’m hoping Marie being uh. Not what I expected will be somewhat remedied by that

[peak ether]

followed it with, well if you're faith brings you comfort then my god is happy even if it isnt through them

[restive river]

Yeah same!
Like our tenno were smart, at least our Operator still seems to be
Let me talk about crazy science and then explain it to my protoframe friends who want to understand it (so that I the player can!)

[peak ether]

very sweet i was lowkey expecting her to be annoyed i didnt believe in her faith

[restive river]

Yeah that is sweet

I really want to give Marie another chance but I will say she has a
Very very petty argument later on

I do like that we have genuinely flawed characters though!

[peak ether]

i see, ill keep an eye out down the line

[restive river]

It’s a doozy
It was maybe worse somewhat since I got bugged but I believe it happens regardless

You might hate her for a day ngl

[eager dragon]

Especially when we have access to the labs where so much of the Orokin's cutting edge tech (basically everything void-related) was developed, and the assistant of one of the greatest Orokin scientists.

[peak ether]

I like that unless DE leaves it on a content island, they improve the systems they introduce

[eager dragon]

Like, if the Drifter so wanted, they would absolutely be able to catch with all of the content they may have missed while in Duviri.

[restive river]

I wanna be a void scientist 😭
Let me do some cool void science or something

Like we learned about some of this stuff, let me learn more!
Let me talk to Mother and show her SHE WAS RIGHT

[peak ether]

have we met an orokin that wasnt famous?

[eager dragon]

Honestly I wouldn't mind if they gave us the Zariman tablet tests but like, with harder questions.

Maybe with a Honoria for completing correctly first time or something.

[restive river]

Grandmother?
The Entrati kids?
Being an Orokin makes you kinda famous by default tbh

[restive river]

Wait why dont we have this for the Duviri ones
Like
For interacting with them at least-

[eager dragon]

I mean, most of the family, I suppose, in so far that by famous you mean "their name has been mentioned somewhere in the lore outside of where they are introduced and they aren't an executor".

[restive river]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/zariman-tablets/

[eager dragon]

DE probably forgot about or something. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

[restive river]

Yeah Mother and Albrecht are the only famous ones by those standards

[eager dragon]

Honestly I'm really exited to see what Honoria will be added in the future.

[restive river]

Nice thing about the Honoria is it’s probably the easiest piece of new content to add lol

[eager dragon]

I just hope they improve the selection ui

[restive river]

I hope they improve the search to take into account the descriptions

If I type in 21 I should see all the ones regarding “do 21 of this in descendia with X”

[peak ether]

Father is famous too for his necramechs, roathe knows his real name and he knows about grandmother

[restive river]

So that leaves the kids then I suppose

[peak ether]

hell even otak is famous as well lmao

[restive river]

He’s an Archimedean tho

[peak ether]

true

[pale cedar]

Famous for his mechs?

Pretty sure he was famous before that

[peak ether]

i cant remember what else he was known for

[pale cedar]

Making weapons
Fighting in a RJ

[peak ether]

first makes sense, the second one i didnt even know he did that lol

[pale cedar]

Plus there's the Quinn thing that called him a Galant suitor before even becoming Entrati

[strange turtle]

Headcanoning that some actually did at first but only back enough to not change much in the far future and thats how we got the AU Earth

[restive river]

They did it purely to win arguments over eachother

We know you can make small changes without disrupting everything
1999 (the biggest one but still doesn’t change too much ig)
Lua Spy Vaults
Undercroft Defense

[dawn shuttle]

Would they even know it was possible? I mean, roathe got a pretty big head start in figuring it out by like, time travel clearly happening to him

[restive river]

Ballas mentions the Entratis mucking about with time so at the very least the Seven know something

Also their perception of how time works was Eternalism rather than Presentism so it’s a like
In theory yes but in practicality ???

Like the Zariman kids were taught that and they were peasants (in the Orokin’s eyes)

[peak ether]

You also gotta remember they have ayatans / aya for memory recordings

The orokin probably wouldnt struggle to gain the knowledge they desired

[dawn shuttle]

I mean sure even then did they know about the infestation having this weird time aspect to it? Otherwise they wouldnt really try doing helminth based time travel no?

[restive river]

Oh good point, I have no idea!

[strange plinth]

Ballas: "Potent weaponry, exquisite anatomy, those are trivial. But temporal manipulation? Even the Entrati-"
Parvos Granum: "The Entrati have violated time, and I have violated them."
earliest point of helminth using time shenanigans (that the orokin know of) is probably protea, then?

[restive river]

I wonder if the Entratis know actually, since the hivemind is rap tap tapping at their brains

[peak ether]

unless they as a society were completely clueless on something like the void initially

[restive river]

I hate how Parvos says this

Bro really just said to another Orokin he violated other Orokin

He’s lucky it was Ballas.

[dawn shuttle]

He's lucky he's parvos granum

[restive river]

They were yeah

The void was not useful til Albrecht slipped and fell in

[dawn shuttle]

But they still had void stuff going on, right? Like kuva and all

[restive river]

Kuva’s powers are void-derived it itself is not
We don’t know enough about it tho

But no, the void lacked even energy til Albrecht

[peak ether]

yeah so he struggled with learning more about it and then after he did they all pretty much understood the void well enough

[restive river]

“They all had given up on me and my paradoxical formulations. The wasted years had all shown the Void to be just that. Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form. To space-faring ambitions, a dead end.”

[eager dragon]

Yeah, Albrecht's descent into the Void was the biggest blessing and curse that had ever befallen the Orokin, and possibly all of humanity as a whole.

[restive river]

Then he fell in and BOOM
Weird finger for FTL travel
Void is suddenly got all this energy
It’s all comin’ up blue guys

[dawn shuttle]

Every miracle requires a sacrifice, so to speak

[dark compass]

Parvos Grab'um

[restive river]

He unleashed Wally and Wally hates the Orokin
If Ballas or us didn’t get to them first he would have done worse

[tall echo]

Ballas definitely considered lincoln'ing parvos for a moment

[restive river]

Omg Wally taking Orokin from other universes and twisting them for the bit would go insane-

[strange plinth]

that's why there's such a long pause before the next bit of dialogue, obv /s

[tall echo]

Well the orokin probably would

[restive river]

[empty terrace]

I just finished the second dream and holy crab 🦀

[restive river]

:O

You’ve crossed the point of no return >:)

[peak ether]

congrats you're past the tutorial! im not kidding

[empty terrace]

That was epic though. That destroyed moon looked soo good. My favorite design of planet so far.

[restive river]

Yeah Lua’s design goes insane

[restive river]

(Moons arent planets-)

[empty terrace]

I'm still not sure about everything and what happened to operator in past but I'll continue playing it later. For now I just selected first path(madurai)

[empty terrace]

Demos isn't living planet type structure either

[restive river]

Deimos is a moon ripped apart by the infestation

Like deimos is a literal moon of Mars lol

[eager dragon]

You and your Operator, lol.

[restive river]

Senantics lol
I hope you’re enjoying Warframe and I’m glad you enjoyed the second dream :D

[empty terrace]

Yes it got insanely good within two quests. First that lotus reveal was shocking but seeing her in presence was something I never even expected a bit.

[restive river]

Yeah it’s amazing

Second Dream is still so good after a decade

[eager dragon]

The Second Dream is 10 years old too.

It's wild how far DE have come.

[empty terrace]

Woah. I thought I was at least half way through timeline. It's 10 years old

[restive river]

Yeah lol

Warframe is amazing

[peak ether]

i will say that its the best school but not really beginner friendly zenurik is very useful for newer players but isnt as useful later on

[empty terrace]

I've no idea what that was. I just selected the coolest description according to me.

[peak ether]

yeah thats what i did when it first released but i had to switch to zenurik after a while

[peak ether]

might wanna reply it just to see the reworked operator faces in them

[eager dragon]

You don't really see the faces in the Second Dream though.

War Within, on the other hand...

[empty terrace]

For now I'll now focus on finishing all nodes in the previous planet because I've started struggling to clear the quests. I also need a break from the main lore to build khora.

[peak ether]

oh yeah you're right

[empty terrace]

We do? I just created a character

[peak ether]

they meant in the actual quest

[strange plinth]

just the sequence at the end, yea

[empty terrace]

Well the next quest is called war within. Maybe it is about the operator. I'll play it later.

[pale cedar]

Chief almost the entire game is about the Operator even before we had Operator

[peak ether]

enjoy adds a lot of lore

[eager dragon]

Yeah, you'll see your Operator alot on or, so I recommend you too customise them as best as you can.

[empty terrace]

Also now that I already finished the dhuviri paradox before second dream. Where is the dhuviri paradox in the questline? After war within or that quest is relatively new?

[peak ether]

i would say much further down the line

[pale cedar]

During New War

[strange plinth]

duviri was released a little while after The New War, and is during it in the in-game timeline

[silk atlas]

In between the first and second part of The New War.

[empty terrace]

Yeah about that I'm not good with creativity so I kept him similar to the character I made in the dhuviri paradox 😆

[dawn shuttle]

I think the duviri paradox is best played after new war but at least around that time

[strange plinth]

mhm. and its currently accessible before TSD, for some reason.

[peak ether]

I never understood why they made duviri accessible so early on when none of the lore is properly established

[dawn shuttle]

It's a shame, cause like

[empty terrace]

Can we play quests a second time? If so then I'll play again where it takes the proper place

[peak ether]

yes

[pale cedar]

You can replay Duviri

[strange plinth]

almost all of the main quests can be replayed, yes

[restive river]

I replayed it recently for the 10th anniversary (before the refresh) and it was still so good

[empty terrace]

Nice. I really liked that first execution cutscene between thrax and character

[dawn shuttle]

Of course there's potential in getting the info the other way around, where the new war starts to explain duviri, but i feel like it shows up a little too early for that stuff to be fresh in memory by that point lol

[peak ether]

does anyone know how long it takes for new quests to be replayable?

[restive river]

Due to what Duviri is it doesn’t have a “proper place” but it’s preferred spot (by the community) is post New War

[peak ether]

i wanna hop back into Old Peace and pay attention to the details

[dawn shuttle]

That's coming with echoes no?

[restive river]

It depends
Deimos took forever
Old Peace will be soon

[dawn shuttle]

Which we dont know when ofc

[restive river]

They’re looking into it iirc

[strange plinth]

planned for echoes, yea

[peak ether]

so earliest would be next mainline update?

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah i recall rebb saying it's quest team top prio atm?

[restive river]

Yes

[dawn shuttle]

Techrot encore was maybe more than a normal echoes update but that was in March no?

[restive river]

It had a bit more since it had the Coda too but yes that was March

[peak ether]

yeah we usually get the second part like 3/4 months after the previous

[restive river]

Devstream is next Friday
We will get the Lunar New Year stuff in Feb
Old Peace Echoes is likely March but we shall see

[eager dragon]

You know, I would really have liked to have had an option to play it in the middle of the New War.

Probably only on replay, since I feel like it would detract from the main plot on a first playthrough though.

[dawn shuttle]

So then presumably (or at least hopefully) old peace echoes is around the same time

[peak ether]

that would make TNW so long lmao

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah i was just thinking that too, it would be very funny pacing wise

Also yeah, that

[restive river]

It wouldn’t even be in the middle, it’d be between the first and second act technically lol

[dawn shuttle]

This quest takes a day to complete. Type newwar to confirm

[dawn shuttle]

Maybe they could play them split screen at the same time

[restive river]

Eeeh no
We don’t need that level of handholding to show the parallels lol

That’s what a cool youtube edit is for

[peak ether]

I miss Nightwave episodes but i understand why they dont really do them anymore but its still such a shame

[eager dragon]

I mean, yeah.

It would also be rather convenient since there is a login screen and what not. Plus, it underlines the "paradox" aspect.

[restive river]

I can answer this
While they were cool they were taking away resources from the main story updates

[strange plinth]

just steal the soulframe devs again /s

[peak ether]

yeah ik if DE had more resources to be able to comfortably fit them in would be so nice

[eager dragon]

The biggest issue, honestly, would be the loss of Sun & Moon when the Drifter would cross to the origin system.

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah i jest i jest. Maybe they could swap between the quests every frame?

[restive river]

||the paradox aspect is Operator needing to save Drifter so Drifter can save Operator so Operator can save Drifter so… etc etc||

[restive river]

Seizure moment
Maybe some subtle flashes but the way its done atm I don’t think thats needed

Like I know the exact moment you’re talking about and it already spells it out enough

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah no i genuinely think tnw->durivi is good

[peak ether]

the only way it makes proper sense imo

[eager dragon]

Yes, that's exactly what I meant. It would still have the entire "the tenno are helping you" yet it would be right after the Operator got... "schooled". I feel like it would show this situation rather well.

[restive river]

More so the only way it makes sense to those who don’t understand whats happening

[dawn shuttle]

Yeah and being really confused for a bit is good for the soul

[restive river]

Duviri being prior to then does make sense cause weird timey wimey stuff but it’s simpler for the audience if it’s after

[dawn shuttle]

And now that you can segue from the former to the latter it's like just good

Instead of waiting for however many years

[eager dragon]

Yeah, I think that's best.

I suppose you could put the Zariman in the middle for conceptual embodiment, but the order shouldn't matter too much.

[peak ether]

because it sorta gives his origin story after being introduced so you learn more about them rather than learning about them as an introduction

[restive river]

Angels should go after Duviri probably

[dawn shuttle]

One of the things i enjoy is how they don't introduce concepts linearly anyways. Though, duviri being so tied to the zariman does feel cooler after angels i would think

[dark compass]

I did duviri after angels and it was really weird

Angels has this whole duviri floor that you can visit even without playing duviri

[restive river]

I did it before but thats cause I was playing as they came out lol

[dark compass]

And entering anything there softlocks the game

And you have to quit

[restive river]

In the Dormizone?

[dark compass]

Yeah

[peak ether]

lol

[dawn shuttle]

That's awesome

[restive river]

That’s def a bug which is odd

Back before Duviri came out that door was locked, had the apathy greyscaling effect and Teshin’s swords
It was hype

[peak ether]

that was an amazing teaser

[dawn shuttle]

But yeah like if a player is attentive at all they can figure out that duviri is conceptually embodied even if they play angels after duviri

[peak ether]

only appeared with drifter as well no?

[restive river]

Yup

[dark compass]

In figured something like that the moment we started assembling a doll

[peak ether]

such a neat detail

[restive river]

The moment where see Thrax’s “birth” fully cements it too lol

Does Angels even talk about CE beyond the rank ups :?

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/timeloop-warframe-begin-again-begin-again-gif-170084454081808753

[eager dragon]

I believe so, although I could be wrong.

I don't think it's mentioned anywhere else that isn't out of your way though.

[strong viper]

I already did duviri but might again for better context now

[strange plinth]

yonta mentions it briefly, something like "when consciousness and void meet, they make a thing. me, for example"

[strong viper]

Finishing up TNW now

[restive river]

Ah ty

[strong viper]

Yeah i have an explanation

[dawn shuttle]

I must say also, conceptual embodiment is a cool concept but also like such a nice TERM

[eager dragon]

I think emotions were also mentioned, somewhere, no?

[dawn shuttle]

Like it just sounds really good

[strange plinth]

not in the description that yonta gives there, but elsewhere, yes

[eager dragon]

Or was that in a different quest.

[restive river]

Conceptual Embodiment > Eternalism

[strong viper]

I have a theory on how CE works

[restive river]

Shoot
Cause presently its just how the void works

[strong viper]

Well yes.

[peak ether]

eternalism is just alternate world theory with extra bits

[strong viper]

The void is so super empty that even conceptual content shapes its actual reality not just how you percieve it

[restive river]

It’s also inaccessible to all but one dude in a wall

And maybe a tower woman

[strong viper]

It works like a vaccum and induces your emotions and subconcious memories to shape stuff

And we call those Conceptual Embodiments

[restive river]

Yeah probably, big emotions and concepts, void reacts and shapes them

[dawn shuttle]

yuup, and also like, eternalism sounds a little too like 'unimaginative sci-fi'-y to me

[strong viper]

Because duviri is one big CE recalling that book

Because its how we coped

[dawn shuttle]

even though it is like a 'real' thing

[peak ether]

very religious sounding too

[strong viper]

Recalling that book

[strange plinth]

found the actual quote just for additional context
-# Archimedean Yonta: "Aren't you a fascinating anomaly. Anomalies? Right! Explanations. When consciousness and Void come together, it makes a thing. For example, me! Not nearly as fascinating as you, though."
-# Operator/Drifter: "Yeah, we covered Conceptual Embodiment in T.A."

[restive river]

You and your partner love eachother and want to be together?
Void makes a tunnel
Got big trauma and try to use your favorite book to cope?
Now it’s real

[strong viper]

Exactly

[eager dragon]

Honestly I find Eternalism alot more conceivable than Presentism, but I suppose that's just me.

[restive river]

Yeah, I like that it isn’t the catch all some people think it to be lol

[strong viper]

Eternalism is quantum theory. Presentism is gravitational/space theory

[restive river]

CE is way cooler and used way more

[peak ether]

wally doesnt sound so bad when you put it like that

[strange plinth]

not wally doin that, just the void

[eager dragon]

Well, it's not Wally doing that.

[strong viper]

Yeah

[restive river]

Yeah thats not Wally lol

[strong viper]

Just sheer emptiness reflecting. Like a mirror

[eager dragon]

I still think he is a by-product of conceptual embodiment himself.

[restive river]

He was possibly a being made from CE or given form via it but that’s all

[peak ether]

i always assumed he was a personification of the void itself

[restive river]

I like the idea he existed in some regard like the void did, nothing
Then boom he was something

[strong viper]

I assumed he was a dude who fell in like drifter

[restive river]

Nope, that’s never implied

[strong viper]

But he landed In The Walls

[restive river]

Nobody fell into the void before Albrecht and it was that moment where Wally first appeared

[strong viper]

Ah

[restive river]

Nor is Wally human, if anything he wants to be human

[strong viper]

So Tron Legacy

[eager dragon]

It's just so poetically fitting that Albrecht's immense fear of finding an entity like Wally being the reason he exists.

[restive river]

Well Bird 3 posits he wants to be human

[strong viper]

Wally is like CLU but a CE from Albrecht

Perhaps his Shadow

[dawn shuttle]

i wonder how things would have played out had he entered the void normally instead of.. like that

[restive river]

He never mentions anything like that, he was afraid cause he fell into what was observed to be nothing
If anything Wally was born out of fear of what was happening and how Albrecht saw himself which was, in his own words, a void.

[restive river]

Maybe just the energy and no creepy wallman

[eager dragon]

Nothing, since the Void would have never come in contact with Albrecht.

[restive river]

Oh true actually!

[strong viper]

Basically a k-hole

[dawn shuttle]

damn. we could have been done with this game already after killing ballas

[restive river]

Wait yeah he would have saw it was nothing, turned around and give up

[peak ether]

the good ending

[eager dragon]

Ehhh, we would have possibly never had FTL travel or abundant energy though.

[restive river]

The Old War would still happen

[eager dragon]

As well as Void knows what else which was done via Void.

[restive river]

Or maybe not since maybe no void weakness?

[peak ether]

remind me were sentients before or after void discovery?

[eager dragon]

No, since the relays wouldn't exist.

[strong viper]

Vibecoding... shudders

[strange plinth]

after, void weakness was built in to them

[restive river]

True!

[peak ether]

yeah so sentients wouldnt have been made no war

[strong viper]

After, they were kinda designated astronauts for tau because of that

[strange plinth]

old war might still happen but wildly different circumstances

[restive river]

Albrecht goes in normal
No rails
No zariman
No tenno
No sentients
No wally
The Empire just continues to rot

[peak ether]

id imagine a revolution from the majority of the colonised worlds

[strange plinth]

i wonder which would've been better, in the end

[restive river]

Wasn’t the void weakness like a big part of the proposal or was that more so Ballas being manipulative

[eager dragon]

It would only really happen if they found a different form of FTL travel, really.

More likely than not they would have ended up sending a colony ship in cryosleep.

[strong viper]

Tbf the tenno were like idk dark sun gwyndolins fake sun illusion

[peak ether]

and they burn through all the resources angering the masses so they revolt

[restive river]

Eternal rule under tyrant billionaires or fighting an eldritch horror born formed from a depressed gay man

I’ll take fighting an eldritch horror pls

[eager dragon]

If at all, since we don't know how much did the Void improve their technologies and thus, their extraction speed.

[restive river]

They’d try and fail, the Orokin’s tech would be too powerful

[strong viper]

I noticed the shock trooper mimics turn into little anthromorphic sprites

[restive river]

The only ones that can reasonably rebel are the sentients and the tenno via the frames

[strong viper]

Yeah

Means of Force du Jure

[restive river]

We know they were still masters of biology so

The infested wouldn’t even be a problem though unless it somehow got out again

[peak ether]

i find that one of the most intersting parts of their lore

[dawn shuttle]

wait, quick aside. did the cavia's bell get opened before or after they became intelligent?

[strong viper]

What was the secret that ballas told natah

[eager dragon]

Yes, but the extra travel time within the system would undoubtedly slow down any mining operations or the viability of such, simply due to logistics.

[restive river]

I love the “meattech” of the Orokin

[peak ether]

has it been mentioned who contributed to that at all?

[strong viper]

It def fills out a necessary lore for the aesthetics

[eager dragon]

They would have exhausted the resources eventually, probably, it just would take considerably longer.

[restive river]

I desperately need new Unum lore

Pls let her talk about her girlfriend

[peak ether]

its honestly such a clever system, no need to maintain them when it can maintain itself

[dawn shuttle]

yesss back when we knew less i really really hoped that the logs about the operator on the sanctum pom-2 were written by a quill lol

[tall echo]

I need lore

[peak ether]

omg the quills i completely forgot about them

[restive river]

I need Unum

[tall echo]

I feel purposeless without lore to search and sift through

[restive river]

I still wanna know who wrote those-

[dawn shuttle]

they feel like such a thematically logical thing to bring back when we start working with time travel

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i guess it is still possible that ol onkko surfs the web too

[eager dragon]

Roathe was such a treasure, but maaaaan I really want to see the Orokin Empire at it's peak in person more. Tauron Academy was peak for how small it was.

[restive river]

I like the idea it was the infestation, that Albrecht modified the infestation in 1999 with a subroutine to observe (hence why we see his eye logo everywhere there), it might explain how the Pom-2 author observed everything

[tall echo]

I think they were written by keyboard, it's a bit difficult to write digitally with a quill

[peak ether]

ive been coping for years that they add the orokin massacre as a playable quest

[restive river]

To be clear this is just a theory!
I’m sure it has some major holes to it!

[dawn shuttle]

ohhh! thank you. especially an onkko shaped quill — that would be far too unwieldy