lore-discussion

[lilac aspen]

Infested Fungus clearly

No wait
Infestation and fungus symbiosis

They work together to make the Nokko

[north jolt]

Probably
"Nokkos dont just grow on trees you know!"

"I know, they grow on mycelium"

[hazy prism]

Actually on the topic of Nokko, I reread the prince hallucinations transcripts
Whilst it is implied Nightcap was dead and brought back to life (most likely soon after he died)
Nokko just exists and disappears after Nightcap's death

So Nokko could be just a frame that was fungi-fied by the fungi

Not necessarily resurrected

[north jolt]

Tbh I haven't completed any of those grinds, I stopped soon as I got all the Nokko parts :d

[ashen pulsar]

it implies it and then nightcap states it’s incorrect, so it’s kinda confusing

[hazy prism]

Honestly, nightcap could just be saying that to not have to deal with the fact that he died and that might weigh on his mind

[ashen pulsar]

who knows how dead frames have to get to actually die

helminth can just revive them

[ashen pulsar]

that could be true yeah

[lilac aspen]

That is true
Considering Dagath survived having a giant hole in her head

“Can I have some ibuprofen? I have a headache.”

[hazy prism]

My personal theory is that the Nokko Nightcap saw wasn't a full frame, but rather a spectre, and he just lacked the knowledge to differentiate them (he did think Nokko was just a kid in beginning)

[hazy prism]

What you're telling me is that Loki who got decapitated by Stalker could've locked in and beat Stalker up

[lilac aspen]

Yes
He just couldn’t see and hear anymore and thus couldn’t throw hands

Loki upscaling
He was simply being humble and letting Stalker think he won

What if Nokko is just one collective, universe wide psychedelic trip

So much a trip that even Tau and Wally are affected by it

[hazy prism]

I'm more curious to what ballas was on when making Nokko
That is if he even made Nokko/Nokko Prime

[restive river]

I’m more curious about if Nitokh inspired Garuda-

Nokko got his lore
Give me GARUDA

[swift gyro]

If drifter and operator can only ´´exist´´ at the same time if they are in zariman or others places. what happens when they are on the same place and suddenly change? how it would look like to people nearby?

[restive river]

We’ve actually seen what it looks like in the end of the New War and during Angels iirc?
Also I’m not sure they can wholly co-exist on the Zariman, or anywhere for that long at all
So long as that place is still in the universe to any degree

I think the edge of the void works better cause its
The edge of the void
But the Zariman situation seemed to be they still didnt have a lot of time, but maybe that was due to the Zariman not yet plugging the voidhole during the New War

[strange plinth]

yea, very end of new war has them swap back and forth while talking to lotus
they glow a bit but it never happens on-screen

[hazy prism]

This doesn't apply to 1999 though right?

[strange plinth]

different time

[restive river]

Different space

Different
Spacetime

[strange plinth]

somewhat the same space, definitely different time
but yea, drifter can be active in 1999 "while" operator is active in origin

[restive river]

It helps that 1999 is in a vastly different spot in the universe than the origin system end of
Everything

[swift gyro]

oh yeah, i forgot to add the edge. i almost sure that the edge of the zarima works too when, didnt we saw them together on zarima for the first time?

[restive river]

Very different points in space

[restive river]

Yeah but their time was limited hence my unease on that specifically, but that was at a time when it wasn’t plugging the hole iirc

The zariman dipped and then came back again between new war and angels lol

[strange plinth]

mm true
system's moving

[swift gyro]

jsut to be sure. zarima covers what exactly?

void?

[restive river]

Zariman is plugging a voidhole

[strange plinth]

zariman is plugging the hole in the albrecht membrane, keeping the void and the origin system separate

[restive river]

Also Duviri is there too

Duviri sorta acts as a wall but its still the void so also no good
Also Drifter’s Zariman is plugging that end of the hole

Same ship ofc, it’s like Operator and Drifter but more iirc

[swift gyro]

about this. sorry for changing the topic. they can change who is activate? also. how did operator got ´´separated´´ and went to 1999?

[restive river]

Yeah they can swap, the other will be in the void watching
Unless ofc Drifter goes to a different point in spacetime, which would be 1999 (or xx99)

[swift gyro]

bu thats my doubt, drifter can just decide if he wants to go to 1999 or xx99 when he is in the ´´void pocket´´? that is what i dont understand much.

[restive river]

Operator never goes to 1999 so I’m assuming you mean Drifter
Drifter gets to 1999 by first answering the call and establishing the connection, they then utilize transference on the vessels
The vessels have two important parts
They’re infested and they have the protoframe DNA
The Infestation also just has a weird relationship with time
By utilizing the established connection, the DNA connection, the Infestation’s relationship with time and transference they can get to 1999 (we see this through the infestation making an Excal in 1999 for Drifter to come through)

[restive river]

They can swap with Operator and then go to those places
Then Operator can go do whatever in the Origin System unhindered

[swift gyro]

oh yeah, mb, i didnt sleep much thse days so i dont type correctly.

[restive river]

Technically Operator can go to 1999 or xx99 through the same methods (though xx99 is just a portal via helminth ig and is way less complicated) but Drifter goes instead cause their skills are needed in 1999 and ig adults only in xx99 cause idk hot warframe people

[swift gyro]

who or what is the vessels he uses the transference, the protos or something else?

[restive river]

The vessels are are three things
Gray Strain, the deimos specific strain that makes stuff big
Helminth Strain, what Warframes are made of
And Protoframe DNA

In Whispers we use transference on the Vessel that has the same DNA and thus a connection to Arthur, we then take a backseat in his mind and confirm Albrecht is in 1999

Iirc there’s also a bit about the protoframe’s humanity involved but idr exactly on that
But Warframes are half infested half people and the Vessels are just big Warframes

[swift gyro]

and how do we bring his body there? or transference is kinda a ´´teleport´´ he goes in a ´´ghost´´ form inside arthur mind and then we just leave his mind and our body appears there?

[restive river]

I can also see the connection being further established due to the infestation’s relationship with time, that being that it’s mind can exist at any point in time that it physically exists
Lizzie for example is aware of us but was born in 1999 via Flare’s infested blood

[restive river]

From what I recall we can basically take on whatever state and shape of matter that we want due to our abilities

[swift gyro]

Please drifter, transform yourself into goth marie!! i need this!

[restive river]

Pfft lol

[ocean geyser]

Imagine how ridiculous Duviri would have been if it was outside the void

Grineer and Corpus scrapping with the Dax every 2 seconds

[swift gyro]

lizzie is aware of us bcs she is part of the infestation and the infestation is like, universal through time and space?

[restive river]

That is if it can even be outside of it for that long

[restive river]

Yeah the hivemind is just present throughout time so long as a piece of it exists in that moment of space and time

[ocean geyser]

We should isekai random individuals to Duviri

I think this would be funny

[swift gyro]

duviri exists like a real place but only in the void right? if somebody could enter the void without problems, could them go to duviri?

[restive river]

Ahem.
Mom
Teshin
Kullervo
Us

[swift gyro]

the spaceship-kun is not real... it cant hurt you..

[ocean geyser]

Yeah
The most direct route would probably be through the Zariman

[restive river]

Or just get thrown into the void that seems to work too lol

[ocean geyser]

Otherwise you’d have to blunder about jnto the void and hope you end up there

[swift gyro]

in some chat i remember, with 1999 iirc, tenshin was kinda of stuck in duviri?

[ocean geyser]

I think it’s just sorta luck atp

[restive river]

He might be
He’s def safer there now

[swift gyro]

safe from what?

[hazy prism]

Albrecht was able to go to and come back from duviri, so there is definitely a method to do so

[restive river]

I think it’s more so as the plot demands since Mom’s hand and Space Uncle fell in like
Almost at the same time

[fast dew]

I deadass think him getting into duviri was him trying to off himself

[restive river]

Duviri is in many ways safer than the rest of the Origin System

[swift gyro]

albrecht is albrecht, pretty sure only he knows how to do so or only few few few few people.

[restive river]

Or uh. Was
Wally trying to write his fanfic made things trickier

[swift gyro]

yeah, pretty much. unless u are a solo drifter. but how did he ended up stuck there?

[drowsy saddle]

As long as Thrax doesn't throw a temper tantrum....

[ocean geyser]

If you ignore the tyrannical regime of either possessed poisonous woman or literal Child King

[fast dew]

Child didnt want his best friend to leave

He is trying, and he does care

[swift gyro]

and put on a tantrum for decades by torturing him, thats cool tho.

[restive river]

Erra threw him in basically
And Teshin just fell into Duviri
He would have died if not for Mathila

[restive river]

We stopped the fanfic!

[normal mountain]

Child is still a king
Not used to being defied

[hazy prism]

But Albrecht, ever the scientist, usually whatever methods he uses to do something, is replicable by others

[fast dew]

Child does child things!??!?!?!?!?! Shocker

[ocean geyser]

Fair!
But we can still go read it sometimes

[swift gyro]

true, they only need to discover how and what he used

[restive river]

Thrax is a forever child, he literally can not grow
Or
Not much anyway

[normal mountain]

People like that tend to react badly to being defied

[restive river]

Yeah, it’s p bad but like in an entertaining way

[fast dew]

He is written to he an emotionally immature child

[swift gyro]

but mentally he is able no? or like, his mind is locked since he is from the book the drifter read?

[fast dew]

Nup

[restive river]

Oh I meant mentally

[fast dew]

He cant mentally grow.

The story is supposed to stay like that

[restive river]

The most he’s grown is willing to work with us cause his kingdom was in danger

Which tbf we used to be friends
But he’s also just rude about it the whole time iirc

He says he was like a dad to Drifter and its like
Uh
No???

[swift gyro]

i mean, duviri is a real place but is limited by the kids books:?

[normal mountain]

None of characters can truly develop
except maybe Mathila, but that wasn't a good development

[restive river]

Her husband died and she uh. Yeah.

[fast dew]

It is, it is supposed to stay like that.

Isleweaver was false and not normal

[restive river]

Stable boys.

[normal mountain]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Duviri isn't supposed to be changed

[restive river]

Isleweaver was a bad fanfic

[swift gyro]

What kinda of dad torture their sons for decades if not more, till the point they created apathy?

[normal mountain]

And sometimes Brimon
According to Brimon

[restive river]

LMAO EXACTLY

[restive river]

Oh my
Scandalous 👀

[fast dew]

Which makes me wonder if scholar's landing and hermit's landing was initially in the book as well

[swift gyro]

not even if drifter entered the void and used his imagination? or is duviri locked forever and never can change it?

[restive river]

Kullervo’s hold def wasn’t

[tall echo]

Well

[restive river]

Drifter didnt write the story
Nor is that how CE works
Closest you get to Duviri being changed is Wally’s bad fanfic

[fast dew]

Ehh, no, not really

[normal mountain]

Drifter probably could change Duviri
And incite mass panic from its unchanging denizens

[restive river]

Literally think of it as a defined finished story and then Wally comes in to make it his own fanfic with his OC and everything

Technically whomever sits on the throne can change things

[fast dew]

I was, for some stupid reason, gonna wonder how Drifter knew of Euleria's voice but then I kinda remembered oh yeah she was a teacher

[restive river]

Duviri was a LOT bigger but much of it is gone due to Wally’s advances

[swift gyro]

he didnt wrote the story but is him who turned duviri into a real place in the void atleast.

[restive river]

Not intentionally though
You can not control conceptual embodiment

[tall echo]

Male defaultism is fascinating...

[restive river]

I noticed that Otak even does it to the necramechs ):

[fast dew]

I try to use they/them for drifter

[tall echo]

Same

[restive river]

Same!

[fast dew]

Ive always seen machines as female

[swift gyro]

oh right. it has to be an genuine strong emotion right?

[fast dew]

Idk why, machines are just she her to me

[restive river]

Ah
You’re a car guy

[tall echo]

Eh depends on the design

[restive river]

Emotions and concepts within your mind
Can’t really directly control those

[swift gyro]

thx for remembering me.

[tall echo]

Like even without the voice liberty prime is violently masculine

[fast dew]

Not for me :) I also struggle to perceive gender in general

[normal mountain]

Eh
I default to male unless given other pronouns to use
Or physical characteristics lead me to assume otherwise

[fast dew]

Bonewidow will always be feminine to me

She is based on Mother

[swift gyro]

i didnt understood this comment, not being rude ofc.

[tall echo]

Duh

BoneWIDOW

[restive river]

Can’t always base it on physical characteristics tho
But I’m sure you’re respectful if wrong

[fast dew]

I mean necramechs too

[normal mountain]

Bonewidow is feminine
Pretty sure Father refers to the mech as 'she'

[tall echo]

Voidrig has masc vibes

[restive river]

Oh wait maybe thats why Otak used he!

Cause it was a voidrig!

[fast dew]

I just see them all as feminine 😭

I call my dense ass puter a girl too

[tall echo]

I think it's the chunkier frame and stuff

[tall echo]

Get your eyes checked

[restive river]

Hunhow’s a machine
Erra’s a machine
Adis’ a machine
What about them

[fast dew]

Controller, puter, tablet, myself occasionally for some reason

[normal mountain]

Sometimes
Other times I'm * visible confusion *

[fast dew]

im meaning irl machines

[normal mountain]

And then get laughed at

[restive river]

[fast dew]

My tv is a girl I found on the side of the road

I love her

[tall echo]

Wth necramechs exist in australia?

[restive river]

Just mean well and correct yourself when needed and you’ll be fine

[swift gyro]

not me thinking dagath was an men bcs my mind didnt notice her assets when i got it for the first time. took me some months to really notice with someone saying.

[hazy prism]

How else does one deal with the wildlife

[restive river]

Fun fact
She was in a toxic polycule

[tall echo]

Fair, guns failed

[fast dew]

Mhm have you seen some of the shit we fight?

[restive river]

Omg DE has never done a polycule correctly…

[fast dew]

Toxic borderline abusive

[normal mountain]

Oh, I do
Usually

[fast dew]

Ill be honest, as a poly person

Its horrifically common

[swift gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/anby-silver-squad-soldier-0-soldier-zero-zzz-gif-8854391536789914153

[tall echo]

rebb

[swift gyro]

who was toxic?

[restive river]

):

[fast dew]

The two orokin

[restive river]

Dagath’s partners
They were Orokin so no big surprise

[fast dew]

For.. very obvious reasons

[restive river]

They’re dead now!

[swift gyro]

imma kill those he..?

[fast dew]

Its realistic because shit is often just toxic!

[normal mountain]

I'd say it crossed the border, but that's me remembering Dax cannot disobey the Kuva

[swift gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/omni-man-invincible-gif-9760249938255555903

[fast dew]

He and she iirc

Remember! Dax can't disobey an order from an orokin :)

[restive river]

Dagath deserved better

[fast dew]

Well, a kuva holder

[swift gyro]

why orokin...why did she had to choose? or it was arranged?

[restive river]

Maube she can get her face back with the prime

[restive river]

She def did not get to choose lol

The Orokin could just have anyone they wanted.

[fast dew]

Iirc its was arranged.

Not like it mattered

[swift gyro]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1243957961294872681/1458004891850117280/m2-res_480p.gif

[fast dew]

They wanted a dax.

[swift gyro]

kill orokin!!!

[restive river]

YEAH!!!

[fast dew]

They wanted the tabooness of it

They disregarded her once she wasn't one

[restive river]

I do like that the polycule part wasn’t the taboo at least

[fast dew]

Considering how much of a pest the orokin are in that context, its not shocking

[tall echo]

The orokin are lucky that I got glassed

[fast dew]

The orokin are lucky im an orokin in Australia

[tall echo]

The tenno were short-sighted, the orokin barely suffered

[swift gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-emoji-skeletons-gif-27009364

is it rare to have an happy life on warframe universe or what?

[tall echo]

Yes

[fast dew]

Yeah

[restive river]

Grimdark moment

[lean garden]

I wouldnt say its rare, its just not going to be at the forefront of combat areas

[fast dew]

Duviri citizens are fine ish

[tall echo]

Unironically grimdark-adjacent

[restive river]

They’re just bored

[lean garden]

like I think the colonists that we avoid live their best lives

[tall echo]

Pretend to be

[restive river]

Until the fanfic

[tall echo]

"The first day of the rest of my life. Again. Wohoo."

[swift gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/zena-don-quixote-library-of-ruina-don-cat-zena-cat-gif-14390813033587768183

[tall echo]

Like 90% of duvirians are in various states of coping

[lean garden]

its a nobledark setting damnit!

[tall echo]

Wobbledork?

[lean garden]

poopity scoop

[tall echo]

...wait wobbledork could be a codename for a grendel proto

[limber hull]

@grok is this true?

How much can we actually trust roathe

How much knowledge can he have of wally?

[lean garden]

given he's saying what Im saying

very

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[ashen pulsar]

tbh about as much as us, maybe a bit more

[hazy prism]

Depends, about the orokin, probably mostly accurate but biased

About void shenanigans
As much as anyone else

[tacit pagoda]

do the things lotus/natah says on the ropalolyst mission - are they all true, or was it her being controlled again?

[strange plinth]

there's pieces that are more trustworthy than others, some that will be proven or disproven by other information later

[tacit pagoda]

idk. everytime i try and find lotus lore people have such different perspectives. i think it also comes from the games lore not being entirely straightforward

[hazy prism]

Have you done all the quests up to and including Old Peace?

[tacit pagoda]

yes! even when trying to find lore about the old peace - searching through reddit, youtube and such - some say margullis scrambled the codes to protect us and some say she knew ballas did it and so on

[strange plinth]

with the ropalolyst speech, its mostly the ending bits that are a bit muddy, but the rest is alright

[hazy prism]

Honestly, the reason there's such a wide range of perspectives on Lotus is cause of the whole Sacrifice to New War portion of her story

[ashen pulsar]

she's changed SO MUCH

[tacit pagoda]

is it true to say she willingly chose to be the lotus?

[lean garden]

now? yes

[tacit pagoda]

was it not then?

[hazy prism]

Some people basically don't trust her anymore since she helped (unwillingly) Ballas and Erra almost take over the system

[tacit pagoda]

not me talking like in kim chat sorry

[ashen pulsar]

she didn't originally choose to be the lotus

[hazy prism]

It's hard to say 100% back in Old War, we know she was meant to manipulate the operators by looking like Margulis, but did eventually come to love the Tenno as her own

[tacit pagoda]

so when she came to love the tenno - she chose not to be margulis and became the lotus instead, right? leaving behind the deception

[strange plinth]

natah burrows into lua, ballas reprograms her to be more like margulis, she becomes the lotus unwillingly at first, but fully accepts this identity later
at the end of TNW, she chooses which "voice" to lead, whether that's Natah, Lotus, or Margulis

[hazy prism]

That's a bit more complicated, since we never get something that introspective with her. But that's a valid interpretation, she did not use Margulis' identity beyond being based off her appearance at least after she choose the Tenno

[ashen pulsar]

essentially ballas overdoes the programming and gets betrayed by the second coming of margulis for basically the same reason lmao

[strange plinth]

and then it happens again

[tacit pagoda]

ohh i see i see

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/laughing-cat-catlaughing-laughingcat-point-gif-7577620470218150413

[tacit pagoda]

so - in the ropalolyst - she was reprogrammed/influenced again, right? giving that shes willingly the lotus but she took some steps back into the sentient tenno hating thing again

i say ropalolyst bc i played the quests so long ago i do not remember the specific quest where ballas took her from us the first time but ive been running that assasination for mods lately 😔 sorry

[hazy prism]

It's the Apostasy Prologue

And it's ok to ask questions if you don't remember or are not sure of something

[gentle isle]

I've always wondered about that, based on the lines in the ropalolyst I interpreted it as natah not killing the tenno because of wanting children of her own to be a lie fabricated by ballas

[hazy prism]

But there wouldn't be any reason for Natah to change the plan that was already there between Hunhow and Ballas if she didn't care for the Tenno

[woven coyote]

Considering how much the idea of margulis paying attention to anyone besides him broke him, i sorta dont see him actively trying to make natah do the same

[gentle isle]

That makes sense

[strange plinth]

it was ballas's plan to use the tenno to win the war against the sentients and slaughter the orokin, then natah was supposed to kill the tenno

[gentle isle]

Then my question is this, when the lotus refused to kill us why did ballas just go AWOL for who knows how long until the apostasy prologue

[strange plinth]

unknown. stasis, maybe

[gentle isle]

More mysteries

[hazy prism]

Sorry where was this mentioned?

[lean garden]

well theres the whole matter of needing to hide during the night of naga drums

[lean garden]

er Natah, The Second Dream, Apostasy Prologue The New War

[hazy prism]

Nvm I remember now, idk why when it was worded like that it made me confused

[gentle isle]

Ok so that means... Wait
So that flashback scene with erra in the reservoir in the prelude to war happens BEFORE the lotus was ordered to kill us?
So when ballas leaked tenno secrets to hunhow, did hunhow not fill in erra on the plan at all? Erra seemed pretty convinced the lotus turned her back on the sentients when going by this timeline her betrayal hadn't truly happened yet

[lean garden]

flashback yes
erra is usually an idiot, but also it makes sense that you dont blab about your double agent. infosec and all

[gentle isle]

Damn imagine being so stupid your own father doesn't trust you with sensitive war info

[waxen crag]

I’m lost, what should I say, I already defeated him 21 times in descendia and I don’t wanna do that again. What should I say here?

[lean garden]

refuse

[waxen crag]

So 3rd option?

[hazy prism]

He was dumb enough to completely trust Ballas with the whole Veil and Narmer thing, so in retrospect Hunhow wasn't wrong to do that

[waxen crag]

Ok he said that he will wish me luck, I just hope I don’t get the anathema thing again

[slow shale]

I managed to get the cutscene where human Loid finally go upstairs to meet the entratis. Then get new dialogues with the entratis. But here's my question. The entratis never met the drifter right? They called the operator "ayatan" but what about drifter? What about those trio talking animals with Loid? It seems they still not completely know all of them

[waxen crag]

Ik it’s interesting

Also I’m text Lyon and he’s taking a while to respond.

Shows “Lyon is typing” for the last few minutes

[wind ruin]

Exit the orbiter/backroom. Do a mission. Load back into the Orbiter. Conversation bug may clear and you'll be able to restart it and complete it properly.

OR the conversation finished and the 'is typing' part is a bug.

[waxen crag]

I did a mission but it’s still showing the bug

Let me restart my game real quick

[waxen mesa]

A. Drifter is ayatan too

B. Drifter canonically doesn't speak to the entratis after. That's Operator being filed in

[waxen crag]

Conversation didn’t finish btw, he’s trying to say something but it’s taking a while for him to respond

[slow shale]

Just like operator doesn't speak with any Protoframe. I wish they would interact though, it would be interesting.

I know Protoframes aware of the operator, KIM messages shown that, but that's on drifter's side, there was no entratis mention anything similar to that on the operator's side.

[analog swan]

Not surprised the operator doesnt' speak with protos, most of them would jumpstart the kiddo into puberty, and it is smart of my drifter to keep eleanor away from his kiddo self 😐

Besides, it would be weird...having love interest interract in any way with drifter's younger self. Awkward much

[swift sentinel]

Nah, I get the impression that most would just treat the Operator as a younger sibling

Which of course the Op would hate

[strange plinth]

basically how drifter treats them in the kim chats

eleanor has the "a child is still a child regardless of how much trauma they've been through" line

[analog swan]

That's the only sane way to go about it, the sibling pov 😅 I mean, imagine operator thoughts when he talks with eleanor, knowing that his older self shares that backroom, it would be weird, like meeting your 'different self' girlfriend but not having that sort of connection

[swift sentinel]

Which is true, trauma doesn't make adults it makes traumatized children

Relatedly, Operator really needs their own "Syndicate" with peers to talk to, rather than just their mom and a computer

[strange plinth]

misremembered the exact line but the idea was still there

[analog swan]

Dunno, operator seems pretty content going matrix / animus by swimmig in bath water

[strange plinth]

instead, they just remembered that they had a friend and then remembered that friend died in front of them

[analog swan]

heh trauma from being locked in a fridge

can't wait for more trauma next update

[fast dew]

Eleanor my beloved

[narrow pendant]

helminth with glasses playing therapist

[strange plinth]

enrichment activity

[narrow pendant]

"how can i get over this?"
"perhaps a piece of argon will help me tell you"

[strange turtle]

Just pukes up a weirdly textured deck of Rell’s cards

“And when Margulis said that, which one of these would you say you felt the most?”

[sturdy solar]

how would jade prime work

with caliban the plothole was fixed with the old peace, with revenant i lowkey forgor, lavos he ascended to prime

how does jade prime work

[lean garden]

shrimple, the orokin simply made someone else a jade prime

[sturdy solar]

what about like

stalker prime

[tall echo]

Nonexistant

[sturdy solar]

boooooring

[tall echo]

Stalker is like umbra but more

[sturdy solar]

ok but like technically umbra is a prime

how would jade prime and stalker prime work

[tall echo]

Technically and practically he isn't

[lean garden]

by nature of the stat block, but he aint even got the prime passive

they specifically took his prime passive away from him

like he genuinely had it for a moment and DE removed it

to emphasise, homie aint a prime

[sturdy solar]

damn

[lean garden]

anyways, nothing would stop the orokin from taking Jade's design and making a prime version from that

[tall echo]

Excal prime is excal prime

[sturdy solar]

i lowkey forgot the passive

does it have to do ith the orokin tileset

[lean garden]

yea

[tall echo]

Yes

[sturdy solar]

what was it again

[tall echo]

Death orb give energ

[lean garden]

prime passive is when primes walk by the orbs and they get free energy

[tall echo]

Unga bunga me type faster

[sturdy solar]

i jus feel like it'd be criminal if jade got a prime and stalker didnt

idk

[drowsy saddle]

Blud already evolved twice

[sturdy solar]

yall think we can play the warframe baby

i'd put on like nourish and torid and make it bullet jump

[drowsy saddle]

I've said previously, baby gameplay would be sprodling reskin but he commands stalker

[sturdy solar]

is the baby like a full on arframe or is it a warframe-human/orokin hybrid since both it's parents were formerly human/orokin

[fast dew]

... noone was an orokin

And i hate to break it to you, orokin are humans

Thats like

[sturdy solar]

aight ok put that aside is the baby a full on warframe or not

[strange turtle]

Yes

[fast dew]

Why wouldn't it be?

[sturdy solar]

does it grow up

[hazy prism]

https://tenor.com/view/the-boys-karlurban-laser-laser-beams-mutant-baby-gif-14661749

[sturdy solar]

or does it stay baby

[fast dew]

Its based on the human foetus inside jade at the time she got helminth'd

[strange turtle]

…icl that just seems silly

[sturdy solar]

so the baby got space aids

[fast dew]

What.

[elfin tiger]

Ain't the orokin like cybernetically enhanced humans? That just changed their skin colour to blue?

[fast dew]

No??

[fast dew]

Not even cybernetically, genetically

It was body amd gene modification

[lean garden]

eh?

[hazy prism]

It's more a class than any modifications, although they did have common body modifications

[elfin tiger]

Ah I see ok that makes more sense now

[fast dew]

A caste

Id argue its more of a caste than a class

[drowsy saddle]

Fairly sure the long arm is partially cybernetic

[fast dew]

Eh? Ive never heard it to be such

[sturdy solar]

was there even a function for the long arm or was it just for status

[elfin tiger]

Da Hell's the long arm?

[fast dew]

Status, pretty privilege

[strange turtle]

Look at the Orokin characters, they have a longer arm

[fast dew]

Self explanatory.

Long arm

[elfin tiger]

Oh

[drowsy saddle]

I've always assumed that's where they put all the control tech and stuff

[hazy prism]

Orokin liked being asymetrical

[drowsy saddle]

Cause more space

[fast dew]

A lot of orokin had them, a small amount had normal ones

That being Albrecht and Roathe

[sturdy solar]

was ocd genetically removed or smth

[drowsy saddle]

Roathe probably because it'd make operating weapons a tad harder

[fast dew]

OCD is a mental disorder that doesn't occur in everyone?

[hazy prism]

Weird cultural thing, that's why the Grineer Queens were abandoned because they were twins

[opaque zenith]

Gene locking mechanisms in their technology as per Lancer imprimt iirc

[drowsy saddle]

Deviations were ostracized, the grineer queens were shunned for being twins, and Albrecht is well.... Albrecht

[fast dew]

Eh. Father has one and he was a railjack pilot

[sturdy solar]

thas crazy

[elfin tiger]

Actually now I think about it Albrecht is the only one we see that doesn't have the long arms or at least he doesn't now

[fast dew]

I think it was not physical disabilities that was necessarily discrimated against, but mental ones

[fast dew]

He never had one, in any portrayal of him

[hazy prism]

You could argue Roathe doesn't have a a long arm cause his current body might be a field swap after being critically injured

[fast dew]

I miss dadbod Albrecht

[drowsy saddle]

Yeah, considering you can play Blender with your body

[fast dew]

Let him come back

[drowsy saddle]

Heck the tenno can do it somewhat if we consider the blueskin pallete canon

[hazy prism]

Pray, if he shows up in Tau and doesn't need to blend in with baseline humans anymore

[fast dew]

My shayla 💔

Look, a normal arm on a blue Albrecht!

[strange turtle]

“Hey you know this custom-made guy who has all the trappings of a Prime and is the only way to get a “Prime” Excalibur if you weren’t around for the Founder stuff? Yeah nope we changed our minds, he’s totally not a Prime, we’re even gonna take the least noticeable Prime feature to prove it”

[elfin tiger]

Ok I see that now but it is strange that he's one of the only orokin that doesn't have long arms

[fast dew]

Ik its a little hard to see, but he has a little bit of a stomach! Oh I wish I could see it.

[drowsy saddle]

Umbra has a custom portrait outline, that counts dor something

[fast dew]

He deadass decided not to

He didn't wanna

[strange turtle]

He’s a strange Orokin

[drowsy saddle]

More anecdotal evidence of albrecht having the tism

[fast dew]

He is the strange orokin

[fast dew]

He might honestly just be another autisitc character 😭

High functioning

[strange turtle]

The strange Orokin from the strange Orokin family

[fast dew]

Compared to rell who would be low functioning

[fast dew]

The bonekeepers!

They have crypts and ossuaries!

[drowsy saddle]

They have their own money

[fast dew]

A weird fascination with bones

[hazy prism]

Entrati Orokin aesthetic > Regular Orokin Aesthetic

[elfin tiger]

Also it's kinda strange that almost everyone in Warframe hates Albrecht mainly the protoframes but still he's not much hated then ballas

[fast dew]

They also seemed to bury their dead assistants (or how daughter calls them, Servants)

[fast dew]

Eh.

Ive seen people say he's just as bad as an executor

Usually those people lack media literacy

[elfin tiger]

Ballas did more harm then what Albrecht did

[fast dew]

Sorry I get. Violent over mischaracterisation

[hazy prism]

Reminds me of Egyptian Pharaoh's who were buried with servants in their tombs

[fast dew]

That is likely the inspiration tbh

Either that or Albrecht just stole a shit tonne of dead bodies

[hazy prism]

Honestly speaking, as an Archimedean, the entrati family seems pretty good to work for all things considered

[fast dew]

One is funnier than the other

[fast dew]

Only worry, might end up like Loid

[elfin tiger]

He is the reason the sentents are the enemies once more when he sabotaged the peace treaty in the old peace

[drowsy saddle]

The Entrati seem more like a sub faction of the orokin what with their eccentricities

[fast dew]

They're weird!

Well known but weird!

[hazy prism]

Pros
Good work safety
Good relationship between employer and employee
Feel like a part of the family

Cons
Yearning, lots of yearning

[drowsy saddle]

And maybe slight ostracization from the rest of orokin society?

[fast dew]

Pros

getting to be loved

Cons

That love is brutally ripped away

[fast dew]

Considering the old head "went insane" and presumably killed himself, yeah

There was some mild ostracisation

[drowsy saddle]

And the new head is obsessed with finding him

[fast dew]

I still dont understand why she was sp fixated on finding him in the void

[drowsy saddle]

Her hyperfixation

[fast dew]

I mean

[drowsy saddle]

The entire entrati family is a basket case

[fast dew]

I do lowkey get the vibe she has BPD and BPD in women can be a misdiagnosis, with it being autism, which can be genetic

The men in the entrati family and being wet wipes compared to their lover™

Shit isn't even genetic

Mother is just scary

And Loid is scarier

[hazy prism]

Father is funny to me, cause he straight up thinks
"I can fix her"
And oh boy, he could not

[fast dew]

Both are scary

[fast dew]

Such is the case

[drowsy saddle]

He needed a hand

[fast dew]

NAHAHAH

Oh thats mean

[drowsy saddle]

He gets to yap about the old war, let me make hand jokes

[tall echo]

Albrecht has a higher kill count than loid

[fast dew]

I mean

[hazy prism]

For now /j

[drowsy saddle]

Theoritically ended timelines don't count

[fast dew]

We dont actually know that. Loid mentions that he has "seen off" parvos' men, which is pretty obvious what that means

Not to mention that Albrecht didn't set the nuke up, he just used it

[hazy prism]

I don't think it's crazy to say Loid has killed more people directly, like with weapons and his hands, than Albrecht

[fast dew]

And the infested! And the murmur!

[drowsy saddle]

Loid goes full Alfred whenever the taxmen come knocking

[fast dew]

A butler is like an assassin, or whatever Roathe says

[drowsy saddle]

Also is Drusus just... Somewhere in the sanctum?

[fast dew]

Nah

He and Loid just used to talk

[hazy prism]

Old colleagues

[fast dew]

Plottwist

Albrecht committed tax fraud

Honestly he probably did

[drowsy saddle]

Its a moral obligation

As per the creed of deadbeat fathers

[fast dew]

He ran a clothing store

[drowsy saddle]

yes vergil, you too, Nero demands child support

[fast dew]

"Timeless style" the way im gonna beat Albrecht to death

[hazy prism]

Imagine the property tax on a lab that keeps growing infinitely

[tall echo]

Albrecht has more *confirmed kills than loid

[drowsy saddle]

Technically it'd be 0, since it doesn't take up real space

[fast dew]

Did those people really die though-

[hazy prism]

I lack the imagination to dodge taxes

[drowsy saddle]

Now im reminded of that web novel where the protagonist builds a lab and workshop in his parent's basement that's basically infinitely expanding

[tall echo]

Amir certainly did

[tall echo]

I lack the income to dodge taxes

[fast dew]

Same

[tall echo]

Imagine nobility having to pay property tax

[fast dew]

Cept my income goes towards furry shit

So.. so desperately want a giant ass tail

[tall echo]

How can you simultaneously have no income and afford furry stuff

[hazy prism]

I'm sure the Orokin would have done so as a form of control against each other

[tall echo]

That's mutually exclusive

[hazy prism]

Schrodinger's income

[fast dew]

Where do you think the money is going to

Poor financial choices

[tall echo]

It still exists for a while

Also I hate that you can afford that while I can't

[fast dew]

I can afford it because I don't eat occasionally

Poor financial choices.

[tall echo]

What the hek do you do to get enough money to only have to not eat occasionally

I eat like once per day if I'm motivated

[fast dew]

Same! Only once a day and its frozen meals

[fast dew]

The Australian government likes it when you study and shit so I get money for that. Welfare but oh you study full time and you don't live w your parents

[tall echo]

Ok that's unfair

[fast dew]

Well

I still pay rent once I get onto the lease

Half of it goes to rent

[tall echo]

I need to get a solid diagnosis before I can get money as an unemployed loser until then I'm surviving off of what little money my mother gets

Anyways lore

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/952946035733438575/1461285583681753251/explode-1768467993232.gif

[tall echo]

Orokin sucked

[fast dew]

Im sure Albrecht certainly did/j

[strange turtle]

One of the 1000 essential Archimedean assistant skills, the ancient U-Tsangan (Tibetan) martial arts

[drowsy saddle]

The ancient technique of the Tannerite filled dog plushie

[peak ether]

So just found out that the seven aren’t the pinnacle of orokin society, they serve the emperors, do we know who these emperors are?

[fast dew]

Nup no clue

They were basically figureheads

They didnt run shit.

[peak ether]

Guessing roathe mentions that later?

[errant geode]

Is there a reason why Drifter and others don't just stop the nuke thing from the start as soon as they reset the 1999 ? Like why are they just resetting everytime it is dec 31 ?

[dawn shuttle]

the emperors were all just Ballas in a trenchcoat. trust.

[fast dew]

For the lore

[peak ether]

Every repeat the hex don’t remember only drifter so they have to rebuild the relationships constantly iirc

[fast dew]

Well, the drifter dictates if they remember or not

Horrifically so

[peak ether]

By transferring into them like they did with Arthur at the start?

[fast dew]

Oh no, that was Albrecht iirc

WAIT

Wrong one, that shit happens to Arthur twice

You mean the one in whispers, right?

[peak ether]

It’s been a while so I’ve probably forgotten a few things but at the start of 1999 when Drifter has a small battle with Arthur, drifter transfers into him and shows him memories of everything. The whispers transference was purely Arthur he wasn’t technically under the op / drifter control they were just watching

[fast dew]

Oh that one

So 2 times just the wrong one

Im so smart

[dawn shuttle]

that event is how drifter learnt to traumadump properly

turns out just beaming it into their head isn't received well

[fast dew]

Back on topic, it seems to be related to the infestation

[peak ether]

Someone remind me, is flare the original temple?

they hid on an asteroid for thousands of years right?

[fast dew]

Yuppers

[peak ether]

God I’m so excited to have a self aware orokin, just had roathe mention that ballas isn’t even the worst of the seven and that nitohk was considerably worse

I could just look it up because I’m late for the old peace but I’d rather experience the lore in game, he’s practically a treasure trove of lore for the orokin era

[dawn shuttle]

yeah i really enjoyed that

[waxen mesa]

so what is a Fomorian? Like...why does this weird looking ship have such deadly potental?

[peak ether]

Big canon to destroy relays

[opaque zenith]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qOAzjYgPn_M

[waxen mesa]

has corpus destroyed a relay?

[opaque zenith]

The corpus one is from the time these things started being "set to fail" by decaying a little on it's own, but no one managed to make every single tenno not get at least one/three runs for the rewards in the fomorian/razorback to see if it actually fails automatically

[tall echo]

Yeah no, all actually autofail

I've seen fomorians fail while at like 70% before

[pale cedar]

DE realised we let some fail

[dawn citrus]

Random thought, I wish DE had made a Nidus Protoframe that could’ve given me more techrot/helminth/general infestation lore. Like Eleanor and Flare but…. More so, and more directly.

[opaque zenith]

Like, it's impossible to know for sure cause it need to be everyone not touching the big "free reward" thing. But if they change it we'll know about it on the first one, I suppose

[pale cedar]

DE will definitely announce it if they bring the actual event back

Cuz without the actual event they ain’t blowing up

[opaque zenith]

...But would be funny to to warn the first one, tho

[peak ether]

I just want each relay to be unique after rebuilding aren’t there two that use the same map?

[fathom tundra]

Nidus seems a little silly to me after the revelation that all warframes are infested

'Look this one is just like, more infested, I guess'

[ocean geyser]

I think the idea is that he was either something entirely unstable or a “prototype” warframe

“Hm yes we need to figure out how to make the infestation look like a guy”

[fathom tundra]

Did he come before or after caliban

We're they trying for a set of themed species frames

[ocean geyser]

He was before
Way before

[fathom tundra]

(I mean lore not actual release time)

[opaque zenith]

Drifter: "Nidus. Made of pure, unadulterated Infestation."
ArthurRank6Convo7
More "raw material" than the "cultured ones"

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[peak ether]

Can someone remind me, where are we on “Excalibur was the first” meaning Excalibur was the first completely controlled warframe? because we know about Kullervo being part of the first generation of frames that wasn’t scrapped

[dawn citrus]

An insane Nidus protoframe with tvscreens and cables too lost in the Techrot hive mind to even communicate properly would be awesome is all I’m saying lol

[fathom tundra]

I was about to ask about kullervo

[pale cedar]

First frame ever made

[waxen mesa]

I mean excalibur is the poster child and prime is a founder only frame. it makes sense from an out of universe perspective

[fathom tundra]

Surely Albrecht isn't thaaaat much of a jerk

[dawn citrus]

Never underestimate an Orokins capacity for jerkery

[fathom tundra]

Where do we learn kullervo was first gen?

[peak ether]

Guessing like kullervo didn’t go insane on the battlefield? So wasn’t scrapped?

[peak ether]

One of the sins prompt talks about how he was there before the Tenno

[fathom tundra]

love will defeat the indifference Turns guy into nidus tech rotation proto frames

[peak ether]

He witnesses them coming out of the zariman / being taken back from the zariman

[pale cedar]

Kullervo didn’t even get a chance to get scrapped he ran away before he could be taken in

[dawn citrus]

Even when he’s trying to be good he does it with Orokin level awfulness. But Marie likes him so he can’t be all bad right?…. Right!?

[peak ether]

Was that mentioned in one of the sins in duviri? It’s been too long since I dove into kullervo lore

[pale cedar]

One of the 7 crimes is flight from custody

[fathom tundra]

I Meaaaan. Crippled girl gets floating protoframe. Tech nerd/coward gets a frame that let's him go fast. Heroboy Arthur gets Arthurian legend frame (ok maybe that one was insulting)

[peak ether]

Any theories / reason why Nitohk Karish and Ballas were the only statues on the tower by Perita?

[opaque zenith]

The door on the other side had the rest, but you're never prompted to go there unless on your own curiosity

[pale cedar]

You can see all of them

[peak ether]

Fuuuuuuuuu

[peak ether]

I thought I explored it properly

[pale cedar]

Here’s them all

[peak ether]

tyvm

I need that replay now

[fathom tundra]

Is Nitohk 1 or 4?

[pale cedar]

Nitohk is the one that kinda looks like Cleopatra

[peak ether]

Surprised Karish doesn’t include his 7 exo sacs lol

[opaque zenith]

The girl with the big staff

[pale cedar]

Avantus is 1st one

[fathom tundra]

Did she not get the extendo arm? Or is angle just iffy

[peak ether]

@pale cedar you got a source? I wanna read up on it

[pale cedar]

I haven’t but we know the specific names because leaks

[opaque zenith]

Angle, is easier to recognise the arm by the claw-like fingers, but Nitohk is hidden by Karish's belly

[pale cedar]

We don’t know all the names though

[pale cedar]

It’s Tormis and Scarne we don’t know 100% yet iirc

[opaque zenith]

The order is texture/prop files that someone posted before

[strange turtle]

https://www.orokinarchives.com/operation-eyes-of-blight/

heres transcripts of the original Operation’s contents

[opaque zenith]

Tormis the Atlas(mith) muscular figure and Scarne the guy with the staff

[opaque zenith]

Also gamefiles, so good source but nothing impeding DE from changing later

[peak ether]

Assuming each seven is linked to one of the seven deadly sins:
Karish = Gluttony, 6 12 external stomachs makes it clear
Ballas = Lust, he states it himself
Tuvul = Pride? just gave me that vibe from zariman recordings
Nitohk = Wrath? Commander of all orokin military forces
Scorne = unknown
Tormis = unknown
Aventus = unknown

[waxen mesa]

was Tuvul the yuvan theather one?

[pale cedar]

6 stomachs? He had 12

[peak ether]

Yeah

[peak ether]

Oh damn mb

[waxen mesa]

Could be envy then. Died trying to continuity into a tenno

[drowsy saddle]

Aventus could be sloth? Iirc she basically delegated everything until the grineer merked her

[pale cedar]

Avantus from what we know she got shot for being commanding

[opaque zenith]

I remember that in a similar discussion Scorne was associated with cowardice/sloth since he was responsible for the towers/bunkers in the void and the pacifist faction

[peak ether]

Can you elaborate why that would make him slothful?

[pale cedar]

Tbh that may have been his idea but leaders not fighting on front lines isn’t new

[opaque zenith]

Not wanting to fight, trying to run away to the void, shoth can mean "the easy way out" mentality too

[pale cedar]

Even irl leaders don’t tend to do that anymore

Soldiers exist for a reason

So if anything that could be him being smart enough to think of that

[drowsy saddle]

Also don't most orokin towers double as ships

[pale cedar]

They all have ship areas

[peak ether]

Interesting, I would’ve associated the muscular guy with sloth as contrast to his look, like in FMAB

[opaque zenith]

At least there's not much info to go with for now, so we're going for whatever works in this comparison of sins with the few info we have

[strange turtle]

Tbf I don’t think Nitokh’s sin would be one of the 7 at all

[strange turtle]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acedia

[peak ether]

I still need to get more info of her from roathe so I’m not too sure about her other than she was the commander and that she wanted to kill the rest of the seven

[strange turtle]

This was one of the “extra” cardinal sins that got trimmed off for us to get the current 7 ones

[peak ether]

wow I didn’t even know there was an 8th

Could listlessness fall in line with sloth?

[strange turtle]

It did

Pope Gregory combined acedia with tristitia to form sloth in his list. When Thomas Aquinas considered acedia in his interpretation of this list, he described it as an "uneasiness of the mind", which was a progenitor for lesser sins such as restlessness and instability

[fast dew]

Thomas mentioned

[peak ether]

Damn didn’t realise you were integral in the formation of the seven deadly sins congrats

[opaque zenith]

Also what could be associated with cowardice? Pride? Sloth is the best bet atm

[brittle siren]

Does anyone have an image that DE staff answer why Infested transcended through time?

[peak ether]

Don’t have an image but isn’t it because they’re a hive mind?

So the technocyte that predates the orokin are linked to the current infested in the solar system

[pale cedar]

This?

[opaque zenith]

Not by DE itself, but KIM is a lore-dump feature so:
FlareRank2Convo3
Liminus_Star(Lizzie)
We are Many. We are the Forever. We are Throughout Time. We are the All. Forgive us the Few we Do Not See.

[pale cedar]

Technically KIM is approved by DE before being added to the game

So even then it is by DE

[peak ether]

I wonder if the DE story writers ever browse this channel and see some theories and be like “damn they came to the perfect conclusion from stuff we introduced years ago”

[pale cedar]

They probably do have a look every now and then

They don’t actually answer lore questions here though

[opaque zenith]

I just don't get all 100% sure because of the "executor" Nihil thing that happened. Still say it's reliable, tho

[peak ether]

Assuming that they have future key lore aspects already planned and just expand on the lore to get there

[pale cedar]

The thing with that is it’s a simple mistake to confuse the 2 words

[opaque zenith]

Yeah i agree it was simple, still one thing already sets that mistakes can happen

[pale cedar]

DE still look it over and probably just missed it

[peak ether]

Was he supposed to be Executioner rather than executor?

[pale cedar]

Seems like it

They most likely did mean executioner

[dawn shuttle]

exeggutor nihil 🥀

[opaque zenith]

I also hope it won't happen again, but in case it does, now it's predefined that it would be a mistake instead of a retcon

[pale cedar]

It will probably happen again but not in the same way

[peak ether]

just going over his lore, he did have some clout that allowed him to speak up in front of the executors even if he was a lower rank

[pale cedar]

Even this round of Protos have a ton of mistakes in their dialogue grammar wise

This round of Protos seems the most buggiest

[peak ether]

Despite being a lower rank he was able to demand that original gara be glassed for volunteering to be a warframe without being punished

[pale cedar]

Well

Ballas don’t even listen to him

Ballas decided to give her glass abilities instead

[dawn shuttle]

maybe they just really enjoyed keeping him around. resident freak

[opaque zenith]

Putting a cutscene, multiple npcs dialogue changes and a whole hell-trip counter inbuted in the chat path tends to do that

[dawn shuttle]

not to mention just generally pretty complex conversation trees

[brittle siren]

Yeah that

[pale cedar]

Well he did do a good service to them by getting rid of their enemies

[peak ether]

Yeah but from how we know the orokin society are, I doubt demanding something from someone who’s a higher position than you wouldn’t get you punished, orokin or not

[pale cedar]

Orokin are basically immune to punishment

There’s literally only one known way to be removed

And that’s sentencing a person without the 7 present

[opaque zenith]

Perintol and Nihil got scot-free, but one was Ball Ass ally and the other an Orokin Elite

[peak ether]

Yeah Perintol would’ve 100% died had it not been for Ballas’ scheme

[opaque zenith]

Also: Perintol Crater (Old Peace). Mf got even a land in his name

While Nihil got disrespected with Gara

[peak ether]

Icl I feel like he was executed after the Old war broke out

I highly doubt the seven would’ve let him live after his creation threatens their society after he was nearly executed for even creating them in the first place

[strange turtle]

He didn’t actually demand anything of Ballas

[fast dew]

He demanded to be allowed to glass her

[strange turtle]

He didn’t demand, he just said it

[thing about her volunteering] And Nihil cried 'Glass her, for her presumption!' until the arches rang with laughter.

[fast dew]

Thats

Pretty demanding

[strange turtle]

This isn’t some guy directly telling Ballas or any one of the Executors to put someone to death, this is someone else saying something and then Guillotine Man, lord of all Guillotines saying “Guillotine her” because he got upset by it

Like, just because you don’t add a “please [Name/Title]” doesn’t make something a demand

[dawn shuttle]

yeah, maybe going "glass them!!!! glass them now!!!!" is just nihil's funny bit, hence why the arches rang with laughter

[peak ether]

The way I see it, in orokin society if you don’t revere the people above you especially with how much value they had on hierarchy, if you don’t brown nose when asking for stuff those above you will see it as disrespectful

[dawn shuttle]

to be fair, ballas did sort of get him back for that one by making her all glass-themed

[strange turtle]

Or, lets say, I ping you and say “hey check out the art channel in the Archive discord”, it might be look like I’m telling you to do it, but its not a demand just because I didn’t word it as a request

[peak ether]

That’s more casual, the judgement was definitely a formal setting considering the secrets behind the warframe project at the time

And we’re not orokin, in universe we’d be colony peasants

[opaque zenith]

They'd more like see as entertaining (as per Ordis bit being met with laugther) but same punishment treatment after

[strange turtle]

As if formal settings don’t get just as informal without consequences at times

[peak ether]

Yeah makes sense

[strange turtle]

Hell, even actual political stuff

[opaque zenith]

They're normally really bored with their godly reference 24/7 already (as per Roathe's KIM iirc)

[pale cedar]

I don't think Ballas has ever listened to what another person said to do

[peak ether]

Wouldn’t know haven’t gotten it yet so I’ll just trust you

[peak ether]

Ballas telling Erra to leash him up because it’s crucial to his plans

“Listen Erra, I need you to put a leash on me, it’s not weird trust, me being leashed is 100% dependant on the plan working”

[pale cedar]

It probably was tbh

[peak ether]

He truly was Lustful

[pale cedar]

Lustful for 1 person

[peak ether]

Proceeds to get cuckholded by children and crashes Tf out destroying his own empire

[placid warren]

Being split up from bottom didn't even stopped this man 💀

[fast dew]

God unfortunately this man is kinda pretty

[placid warren]

Woe

500 Toxin Eximuses upon ye

[peak ether]

Was it ever mentioned how Ballas has lived up to this point I completely forgot

[fast dew]

Fled and went into cryo

[peak ether]

being in stasis for millennia that first stretch must’ve been godly

[fast dew]

Loid was in one too, and he was... fine.
-# said construct like a slur immediately tho

[pale cedar]

Advanced system masters of biology

[placid warren]

I wonder what became of Tau after Orokin like completely ditched and made sentients succumbed to hivemind's orders. This makes me wonder who would that hivemind be in current one

[peak ether]

I’m still not clear on the lore from Old Peace but I thought the moon only had the Xenoflora so those that were there gained self awareness?

[placid warren]

Yeah they gave them individual sapience and like being people on their own. And after we are tricked into destroying that most of the Xenoflora in that moon... yeea back to square one

[pale cedar]

We haven’t seen the rest of Tau to say only the moon has Xenoflora

[placid warren]

That's why I said Most of the Xenoflora in Perita. I believe some of t hem are still alive and perhaps in other planets in Tau system? Could be

But since most of it's gone after the events, they'd return back to the hivemind or whatever it's currently in Tau

[pale cedar]

I believe rn with current info it exists in other places in Tau we haven’t been to yet

Gotta see what the planets of Tau bring

[placid warren]

Yea, we are only seen memories of that moon only due to most of the Rebellion took there

[peak ether]

My assumption is that Xenoflora was only on the moon, Nemesis is saying that it could exist in other places in Tau so not much in the grand scale of things regarding the sentients sense of self

Wait is hunhow part of that hivemind?

[pale cedar]

All should be

[peak ether]

That’s so weird

Why would the hivemind let him stay on Uranus then

[strange turtle]

I think it was probably that they had other places with Xenoflora, but Perita was their original habitat and the place they could really be grown en-masse

Hence it being the big treaty area and the place where all the fighting we’re shown takes place

[pale cedar]

Probably because he’s the progenitor of many Sentients

[peak ether]

Sort of a hidden spawn camp for the sentients on the solar system?

[strange turtle]

As far as we can tell the hivemind thing only applies to the fragments, and “normal” individuals like Praghasa, Hunhow, Lotus and Erra don’t need the Xenoflora

[strange turtle]

Also the Archons

[placid warren]

You can say Hunhow also acts as a hivemind to combat drones like conculysts in Second Dream and Sentients in Narmer which are under the command of Pazuul/Erra

Tau's one is different

[peak ether]

I don’t think Lotus counts because she was altered by ballas so he could’ve cut the connection of the hivemind from her

[pale cedar]

Lotus would count

She’s still not a fragment

[peak ether]

reading comprehension strikes again mb

[placid warren]

I mean they could originate from them but they can have special abilities and have sentience to direct drone Sentients

[peak ether]

With the Sentient’s innate adaptability capabilities what would happen if Hunhow suddenly decides to leave Uranus after spending all that time with all that underwater pressure?

he’s not exactly a bio organism so he won’t rapidly expand and die like deep sea creatures irl

[strange turtle]

Well, he’d probably just adapt in reverse

Like if he used the method deep sea creatures do, just constantly raising his internal pressure as he ascends

[lilac aspen]

He was going to actually

But we detonated bombs to further damage him and send him deeper into the ocean

[peak ether]

I completely forgot we did that, now he’s just a chill grandpa to Babyframe

[empty terrace]

I'm new to the game and still playing the story. But I was playing the dhuviri paradox and I'm totally lost. RN I'm taking a break from the story to get khora from the circuit but that quest made me more confused. It popped up after I unlocked Uranus and I thought it was the next quest after playing on demos and solving the family problems. That quest talked about void like am I supposed to know about it already but I don't?? I see void as a playable planet on the map.
Rn my biggest question/confusion is. Are Warframes like remote control robots that tenno control or like a battle suit that they wear or are they just alien races of warriors? I enjoyed the dhuviri paradox quest even tho I didn't get most of it but before that it still feels like a long prologue. Even after the demos questline it feels like a character doing side adventures and the corpus is the villains that Warframes/tenno is helping lotus to fight against.

[fast dew]

This is early game stuff, oh, the joys of being a baby tenno.

How badly do you want to be spoiled?

[empty terrace]

Not at all. Even though I'm confused I'm having fun being clueless. I just hope it turns out good. I've heard people talking about second dream or something many times on different platforms.

[fast dew]

Mm.

Just wait, allow yourself to play through the quests.

Things will come apparent soon

[empty terrace]

Okay. I mean I get it that I should give it some time. I've 11-12 years of content to go through after all.

[fast dew]

There is just quests that should explain your questions

The deimos quest becomes important later on

The duviri paradox shouldn't be played so early

[fast dew]

Though, tell me.

Did you notice who was narrating duviri? Who she sounds like?

-# she does narrate the days in that quest, right?

[fleet furnace]

i believe so? i think she has some lines

[empty terrace]

I don't remember any female narrating the quest...

[fast dew]

Mm. Quick favour. Go into duviri for me. Just into the world. No need to do anything.

[fleet furnace]

but yeah, duviri... needs alot of context from other quests, especially the new war

[empty terrace]

Okay.. but do you mean dhuviri experience? I thought to stay away from other two modes outside the circuit because I was confused and didn't wanna continue the part of that quest if it was a continuation. I thought it's further the quest or something.

[fast dew]

Yeah, the experience is what you should do.

And no, it doesnt do anything storywise

The story is just the story of the quest iirc

The narrator im talking about. She should announce the title

[fleet furnace]

the duviri quest is like the vox solaris one iirc, setting you up with a tutorial for a piece of content

[fast dew]

"The sorrowful soprano" and the like

[empty terrace]

Ok loading the game. Speaking of dhuviri quest. One more confusing thing. That guy on poster/mentor for character I made was called teshin. But he was human?
But I saw one more teshin before him who taught me how to mod character and weapon and he was more like Warframes.

[fast dew]

.... and thats why the quest should be done later

Trying to get a baby tenno to realise who is narrating duviri

[fleet furnace]

once you get to the new war, everything should start clicking into place regarding duviri, but it sounds like youre a ways off from that

[fast dew]

They just did heart of deimos 😭

Well. And duviri

[empty terrace]

Yes I see someone called sythel in dhuviri experience but there was other voice before her which sounded different. But I still don't recognize her that much

[fast dew]

Yes! That different voice

Tip, ||You just met her.||

[empty terrace]

I guess I'll just focus on continuing where I am in story rn. At my point it's telling me to play missions on Uranus until I encounter strange drones.

[fast dew]

Smh

[fast dew]

Nah, its not important to the story much, but the narrator to duviri is Mother, from deimos

[fathom tundra]

Can you spoiler tag a response for me, I played all the quests and I'm drawing a blank on who you're talking about

[empty terrace]

||I had that feeling. I was confused between mother and grandmother.||

[fathom tundra]

Timing, lol

[empty terrace]

Sorry 😐

[fathom tundra]

Not you haha

I didnt want you to get spoiled, I remember now

[fast dew]

If you played all the quests you should know by now 😭

You should realise by the new war

Its connectable earlier bcs of how early you can play duviri

[fathom tundra]

I mean I didn't remember grandma narrated the start of it

[fast dew]

Nah, its mother

[fleet furnace]

strange drones, i thought duviri was locked until like war within or something

[fast dew]

||Euleria Entrati||

[fathom tundra]

I came back after a long time and only did things in order of what the game forced me to to get to old peace

Think I would've been lost if I didnt put off duviri

[empty terrace]

Also I hate YT for spoiling me.. I was watching video normally where one YouTuber was giving guide on current event for ||dagath as free Warframe|| and someone in the comment said. || Wait isn't that the name of the grandmother?|| like c'mon man I can't even watch guide without getting spoiled

[fast dew]

Oh dw thats not really story shit

Thats from Naberus

[fathom tundra]

If you're in a guild that has built the dagath crypt thing you can go there for grandma story time

(They're also wrong I'm pretty sure)

[fleet furnace]

dagath is one of the many smaller side stories in warframe

[fast dew]

Nah, they're right

[fleet furnace]

cant remember if dagath was grandmothers name, but i seem to recall dagath being given her name by grandmother

[fast dew]

Grandmother gave away the name

It was her name, she gave it to Dagath

[empty terrace]

I unlocked Uranus junction and I got big button showing up near something called railjack mission and I tapped on it to just get to know what it is or what is content of that game and it started the quest. The starting monologue and cutscene was soo cool with thrax slamming the fists and saying repeat so I never thought maybe I'm skipping some very important quests.

[fathom tundra]

||vaguely remember her sacrificing her name, and giving dagath the name dagath because it meant something specific||

||not that it WAS grandma's name||

[fast dew]

||It was her name 😭||

Orokin names mean things in general

[empty terrace]

But it had its own benefit I guess. I wanted to get khora after I was little strong to farm but that circuit mode gave me a chance to get all her blueprints without farming missions. Plus I got to learn a few more frames.

[dark compass]

||Nitohk famously translates to "Garuda lore"||

[fleet furnace]

circuits nice, tbh i think the best thing they could do with duviri is lock it till after new war, but put a taxi in for circuit kinda like what they did with old peace and perita rebellion

[fathom tundra]

Circuits nice (if you ignore just how many missions it takes per stage and also how quickly it scales to level cap and also excavation)

[fleet furnace]

one thing i wish they did with circuit is put yareli on it, so i dont have to do that stupid kdrive quest

[proper barn]

||ALL OROKIN NAMES MEAN SOMETHING SPECIFIC.||

[restive river]

||What does Karrish mean or Avantus||

[restive river]

So i did the quest recently and
It’s so much better than it was on release

[proper barn]

Idk.

It seemingly means something though.

[restive river]

I mean all names should mean something

That’s
How they work

[waxen mesa]

my caliban went from glorified weapon platform to pure ability frame and you wanna know what changed

me understanding how to use caliban....

[restive river]

Lmao

[loud oriole]

Ballas means [This message has been redacted.]

[waxen mesa]

How to use (the particular build I have for) Caliban

step 1. summon gun sentinel

Step 2: spin

Step 3: spin

step 4: don't stop spinning. ever.

step 4.1: strip armor off acolyte

[loud oriole]

basically how my Valkyr talon build is; why hack'n'slash when you can just blend the enemies

[waxen mesa]

the funny thing?

Caliban's spin doesn't suck, it has a lot of utility just not a lot of damage

what does do a lot of damage is your gun sentinels lighting the enemies up

[ashen pulsar]

the yuvan list

[loud oriole]

the tau dmg stacks from cali-spin is just the cherry on top for those pesky enemies who tank the first sentient cannon shot

[tall echo]

Step 0: get the augment for the gun sentients

[waxen mesa]

oh i didn't realize i posted this in lore discussion

whoooops

[loud oriole]

it happens

[waxen mesa]

anyway to get things back on track, a question

Do you think DE will ever do anything with the fact the corpus have access to Hunhow

I'm not to certain a half broken sentient waiting to die will be very cooperative with capitalism but

[tall echo]

Do they though

Stalker's lair isn't near hunhow

[waxen mesa]

it's not? I thought that was the whole thing

Stalker resettled near Hunhow

[tall echo]

Hunhow's tomb is blocked off

[strange turtle]

Idk what it originally meant but by now I think Karishh might mean fata-

[sly ibex]

It was, but Stalker got in at the start of The Second Dream.

At least to a spot he could see Hunhow and speak to him from, anyway.

I know Hunhow is still stuck (either by the pressure or by the entrance to where he is in the water still being blocked), but I hope we can free him from whatever is keeping him where he is. 😄

[restive river]

Imagine a fragment of his comes with us to Tau and it somehow finds some xenoflora
There goes gpa

[sick scarab]

Some facts:

• Baro was recently at Kronia Relay
• Vay Hek is currently attacking Kronia Relay with a Fomorian
  Therefore:
• Vay Hek clearly has beef with Baro

(/s)

[strange plinth]

i'd believe it

[fast dew]

More yaoi in my warframe

[dark compass]

Baro x Vay Hek is a new one

Sad, one sided

Baro is already enamored with Inaros

[fast dew]

Parvos too!

Parvos/Vay hek/Baro when

[dark compass]

Old Men causing an economic collapse

Late stage capitalism

[fast dew]

Real

[rustic condor]

So how exactly does the XX99 portal appear there’s no animation no cutscenes no nothing and I don’t like that. It just magically appears like the everything else

[swift gyro]

Are all orokin humans or there are aliens or something else in their empire? bcs for me, ballas doesnt look that much of a human tome

[normal mountain]

The staircase was always there
I distinctly remember that

[silk atlas]

No aliens exist in WF minus the Xenoflora. Ballas and most Orokin just had body mods

[normal mountain]

Humans
The discrepancy comes from their constant genetic tinkering

[swift gyro]

wait, no aliens? couldnt we consider anything from deimos one? or they are considered animals but just infected?

[silk atlas]

Not aliens.

[loud oriole]

there is no war in basingse aliens in warframe

[silk atlas]

All that was stuff that originated in the solar system, if not on Earth

[swift gyro]

what could be consider alien on warframe then?

[swift gyro]

if not earth just other planet that had humans there?

[normal mountain]

I bet there's no frame in basingse either

[silk atlas]

No, they developed colonies

[silk atlas]

Again, the Xenoflora. That's it

[swift gyro]

an flower?

[loud oriole]

yup xenoflora is our first confirmed alien life in warframe (which is more believable than a sentient species)

-# xenoflora quite literally means 'alien - flower'

[swift gyro]

hmmm. thx. i got curious bcs there is a chat with the 1999 gang about aliens.

[normal mountain]

Yup
No aliens

[swift gyro]

and now i remembered most of persons that appear in warframe are either human,robot or infecntion also sentinel.

[normal mountain]

I haven't checked if there's any Al-Ians though

[brittle siren]

base on Roathe voiceline during boss fight, it seem like Uriel strain in him is conscious

[normal mountain]

Oh, joy

[brittle siren]

and the void tongue is not Roathe's

[swift gyro]

https://tenor.com/view/skull-emoji-skeletons-gif-27009364

[loud oriole]

in Warframe's universe there could hypothetically be sentient extraterrestrial lifeforms, but they are probably light-years away in a distant galaxy. but we have in lore barely made it out of our own system

[silk atlas]

The only thing unaccounted for is the Infested's origins, since even the Techrot is only mentioned to be one of the first main outbreaks.

[dark compass]

Hope the Infestation is the next focus point after Wally. It's like the next closest thing we have to him in terms of importance

Though 1999 was already that to a degree

So I may be kicked in the teeth

[loud oriole]

yeah DE please flesh out the infestation more

[normal mountain]

Hope they recycle some of those old Infestation events into quests for those who weren't there to experience them

And to give context to Patient Zero

[dark compass]

Finally, going even further, medieval setting

Game turns into vermintide

[normal mountain]

Medieval might be too close to Soulframe though

[brittle siren]

Soulframe:

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/brain-same-wavelength-twins-thinking-cosmic-energy-gif-15106217

[loud oriole]

-# and Soulframe actually has aliens

[dark compass]

not the soulframe kind of medieval

as i said, vermintide kind of medieval

[normal mountain]

No magic Void powers?
Sounds boring

[brittle siren]

also this is very copium opinion of me, but I think Soulframe is actually warframe past that not even known to the "modern" human pre-orokin

[dark compass]

soulframe has a very distinct fairy whimsy to it

[brittle siren]

there is no way that the frame in "soulframe" is coincidence

[loud oriole]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/v1.Y2lkPTc5MGI3NjExcWJtbTkwand2ZzF4MTcxamxucWYwNTFrZ3Rza3pveDdmbmlrNDRvbiZlcD12MV9pbnRlcm5hbF9naWZfYnlfaWQmY3Q9Zw/qOW7HvCy8GtbwN5nua/giphy.gif

[dark compass]

im talking about something edgy and more grounded

[normal mountain]

-# on a different planet, in a different galaxy

[dark compass]

but weird enough to work for WF

infested in knight armor

and finally a new crossbow weapon

[normal mountain]

I would like more crossbows

[brittle siren]

Thou shalt die to-day

[woven coyote]

cool blows up a room while leading skeletons besides an elf a dwarf and a funny inquisitor that prays a shield around himself

[brittle siren]

you mean

A long time ago, in the galaxy far far away...?

[dark compass]

Ivara, Lavos, Harrow and Ember

ez

[woven coyote]

to be clear to anyone that didn't get it that is possible in vermintide

[normal mountain]

Sort of the reference, yes
Alca even has two suns, for crying out loud

[dark compass]

i picked Lavos for the dwarf because he is one of the shortsest frames and the prime pose with dual zoren

[brittle siren]

Tau if Orokin is a decent empire

[normal mountain]

Alternate universe...
I can see it

[dark compass]

best you get is a new grimoire

and Dante proto named Merlin

[dark compass]

id gladly play soulframe

but its such a terrible visual hit or miss for me

they did not care for masculine body type at all

:(

but anyways, warframe

[loud oriole]

frames of war

[brittle siren]

Is only Hollvania affected by Techrot or the whole world during 1999

[brittle siren]

Unrelated but could you spare some time in the DMs

I want to ask sth

[loud oriole]

if I'm remembering correctly Hollvania is ground zero for the Techrot, everywhere else on old earth is presumably fine

[dire mountain]

Only Höllvania is experiencing the outbreak in the years leading to Y2K. It did get out of hand afterwards however

[brittle siren]

I see, since in the Whisper quest there's footage of ppl celebrating New Year's in New York (on the TV during 1999)

[dire mountain]

Yeah I dont think they'd be celebrating like that if there was a technoorganic plague in their area tbh

[stray herald]

so did Al find an existing helminth in xx99 to time travel there?

[restive river]

That’s not how he seems to be time travelling

Recall how he did it in Whispers

[stray herald]

casket smash

if the smashing was important to the procedure, who's the accomplice?

unless he made a self smashing machine

[strange plinth]

the casket being smashed was an attempt to prevent wally from following him there

[restive river]

The casket was what was important

We don’t know what form of time travel he used, just that he was capable of bringing things back and fourth
If I had to assume he utilized the void as we see it’s energies everywhere in regards to his time travel tech (we see it with the subway train and the cars)

Speaking of idk how to feel about Roathe achieving time travel through the helminth when the portal like
Wasn’t even helminthy-

Drifter’s version made more sense at least but Roathe just made helminth do it ig :p

[lean garden]

the smashing was only important insofar as to break the machine lol

[dark compass]

Sure feel free to dm

[glass flume]

i need a refresher...
the tenno (operator) were rescued because the zariman reappeared again. and now the zariman that we're doing our missions/bounties is the drifter's, right?

[lean garden]

its ours and the drifters

there is only one Zariman

Sola Zariman

a singular Zariman is acting as a super-Zariman where all the potentials of the Zariman are contained within it

as such it is the operator and the Drifter's zariman

[dawn shuttle]

Why did the orokin not go to duviri when the zariman reappeared , are they stupid

[tall echo]

Couldn't

[dawn shuttle]

So quick to give up

[tall echo]

Well, albrecht fell in there by accident

One does not simply look for duviri

[drowsy saddle]

What is this? Fight club?

[tall echo]

Close, mordor

Fight club would be-gets shot for talking about fight club

[fast dew]

Well considering the one orokin who got there probably did by trying to kill himself, i dont think that's something they thought of

[dawn shuttle]

im just saying if it were me id have just gotten lucky and checked the right dormizone

they missed out on acrithis, the fools

[fast dew]

Love it when people just dont comment on the idea of Albrecht trying to off himself

[dawn shuttle]

well it's mostly like

[fast dew]

Idk if its like

People just agreeing or like

Agreeing in the bad way

"Albrecht is that selfish, he would kill himself" bad agreement

Instead of "oh shit yeah ykwhat he probably did try"

[dawn shuttle]

i assume this interpretation comes from the "I must atone for what I had done through my own blood." line and some lines from the duviri logs?

[fast dew]

EXACTLY

Its just

"I must atone for what I had done through my own blood" and immediately jumping to duviri

The guilt he feels as well

The animals can live without him, but his Daughter wouldn't

He had given up, which ties into another line grandmother has now

[dawn shuttle]

it was not my initial read from the logs back then, but it is definitely an interpretation that seems consistent

[fast dew]

I don't think its the immediate conclusion most would have

[fast dew]

But with added context its starting to look far more likely

[dawn shuttle]

particularly the former line about atoning, I think on its own mostly just sets the stage for him starting to meddle properly in freaky timeline stuff

[fast dew]

Well, the book he and his daughter wrote is about that

"What is the core thesis of 'The Palimpsest of Spacetime'?
A: Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist"

That book has both him and Euleria credited

Albrecht also seems to have a autobiography lol

[dawn shuttle]

and I think even with everything, the part preceding that line: "So long as I worked through scapegoats, my guilt would only deepen.", is a little inconsistent with what someone who is about to just give up would say?