lore-discussion

[fast dew]

You know Roathe could've been there

[restive river]

They probably looked down upon his form of punishment tbh, since memories were so important to the Orokin

[fast dew]

So why was he so. Up at Ballas and the whole group 😭

Like damn man had balls

[restive river]

Whiny lil glass boy

[swift sentinel]

As Glassmaker, he probably had an inflated sense of his own importance

[fast dew]

Thats just an orokin thing

But its shocking he wasn't killed for it

[restive river]

Cephalons were like
Incredibly useful but also very horrible

[swift sentinel]

Thinking he was special since he got a fancy title

[restive river]

And invented(v) cephalons

[fast dew]

(V)

[restive river]

I meant ?

Ios keyboard moment ):

[fast dew]

Real

[restive river]

Seriously this thing is actually bugged and broken

[fast dew]

Shit i be typing whole hieroglyphics

[restive river]

It just picks other charactwrs
Leaving that how it typed it cause WHAT

[fast dew]

Sometimes the keyboard doesnt register when im pressing the button to go back to regular characters instead of the special ones so I end up typing like

○□•■•♤°°■ or something

[strange turtle]

Considering what Roathe said I don’t think he was even the inventor he just took ts and tweaked it before telling the Seven his idea

[restive river]

What’d he say exactly cause I recall is he has the cephalon project

[fast dew]

Actually my mate posted a loid fic and some bot spammed hieroglyphics in the comments and I like to think that it's wally

Wally got the CURSE OF RA on the comments

Curse of... lohk?

[strange turtle]

“Nihil’s Cephalon Program”. Then goes on to describe how awful it is and that it doesn’t need to be done destructively

[restive river]

Curse of Ris?
Cause Ra’s the sun god?

[restive river]

Oh
I wonder if that’s referring to what the Necraloid is actually, a less destructive cephalon

Nihil just found a
Terrible way

[strange turtle]

To me the way its worded and the fact that Roathe knows of other forms makes me think that they could already make Cephalons, and then Nihil came along and “industrialised” it as a form of punishment

Like the difference between having prisoners and having slaves or debt workers, and having prisoners do labour as part of their sentence

[fast dew]

I mean, the term mother uses does suggest it was another process entirely

Of all people, she would be the most reliable

[restive river]

Would it not be anyway since glassing is destructive?

Like Necraloid is basically just a cephalon but not destructive

[fast dew]

I mean, if it was glassing, I assume she'd use the term glassing

[restive river]

No
Thomas
I’m saying its not glassing, glassing is the destructive version.

They’re fundamentally the same thing but one is just destructive

[fast dew]

Necralized seemed to be an entrati thing? I think?

Idk if they could glass folk

Or, the same process of glassing folk

Yk what i mean 😭

[restive river]

Not really cause I’m not sure you’re understanding what I’m saying lol

[fast dew]

Shit

[strange turtle]

I mean necralising could just have been made by the Entrati

[fast dew]

Okay so like

Im not convinced that it has much to do with glassing or the non-destructive variant, due to the naming convention being from the entrati family specifically, over something like the cepha- prefix, yk?

[strange turtle]

And then used until Glassing

[restive river]

What is a cephalon/necraloid?
a digitized mind

One is made via glassing, a punishment, destroys the meat body and leaves the digital mind
One is not a punishment, does not harm the meat body and leaves a digital mind

Both minds can be edited

Cause it did sound like Necraloid isn’t the case of them glassing a Loid clone, but he is fundamentally very similar to a cephalon in terms of what he is
A digital mind

[fast dew]

I think drifter calling Necraloid a cephalon is an assumption imo

[strange turtle]

It’d make sense with what we’ve seen of non-punitive Cephalonisation, the Entrati’s whole schtick with how they treat their underlings, and the fact Albrecht just knew how

[restive river]

I mean do you see what I’m saying at least?

[strange turtle]

He gets called it multiple times

[fast dew]

I still lowkey think it was like

Otak got his mind altered to act like necraloid but like. That is just a very unlikely theory

[strange turtle]

Can’t

[restive river]

Otak came second iirc

[strange turtle]

Otak would’ve been after Albrecht left

[fast dew]

Ehh?

[strange turtle]

Like Marie’s first convo about him

[fast dew]

Wait what

Dawg did I miss that 😭

[fast dew]

Question is, by who? Its like. Us and...?

I didn't think mother mentioned it, Loid never calls Necraloid a cephalon iirc, just a construct

[strange plinth]

necraloid does introduce himself as a cephalon

[fast dew]

Necraloid also wasn't aware of the original loid atp, wasn't that memory like. Severely repressed?

[strange plinth]

sure, but i don't think that would disqualify him knowing that he's a cephalon?

[restive river]

What
He
Introduces him?

[strange turtle]

IIRC the stuff about The Kalymos Protocol got suppressed until it was Time

[fast dew]

I think that most folk outside Loid, Mother and Albrecht (maybe grandmother n father) would know for sure

Im saying I wouldn't keep his word as law as it could just be an assumption on his own part "I must be a cephalon because the original is no longer there" deal yk?

[restive river]

Yeah ig

[strange turtle]

You must understand: constructs CANNOT dream. And yet, I have."

Loid and the Tenno arrive before the door to the Necraloid chamber, which, as always, is sealed with a barrier of floating golden discs, preventing entry.

Loid: "In my dream, one single name repeats. KALYMOS."

At the mention of the name, blue energy streams inwards from the door, clearing the barrier and opening the doorway. Loid gasps loudly.

Loid: "The memories surface, long locked away. This was no dream, Tenno. It was a precept. The Kalymos Sequence."

Loid enters the chamber, and the Tenno must follow him to his platform in front of the Cosmic Clock.

Loid: "I must fulfil this dormant precept. The Kalymos Sequence has begun, and it cannot be undone."

[restive river]

I mean if it’s meant to be a secret that Loid is sleeping then Necraloid just being a cephalon version to take care of the family while Albrecht dipped would make sense, meaning none but Albrecht, Loid and Necraloid (once the sequence is activated) would know

If Mother knew Loid was alive and Necraloid was. Whatever he is and not a cephalon I feel like she’d wonder where the og went?

[fast dew]

-# id also say that theres been writing differences between the two updates so it could kinda just be that

[coarse swift]

Guys, question. Spoilers related to The Old Peace. Well, not really.

What happens if I abandon mission?

[fast dew]

No clue tbh. Prolly just return to orbiter

[coarse swift]

Does it have like a checkpoint or do I restart from the beginning?

[restive river]

Yeah there’s checkpoints

You’re locked into the quest

[coarse swift]

Cause I gotta check if I can buy Platinum using my 50% discount.

[restive river]

Oh probably not til the quest is over

[coarse swift]

heck.

[restive river]

Alternatively do it on the warframe website (log off from the game first)

Where are you in the quest?

[lean garden]

quest wont take long, you have more than enough time to use the coupon

[fast dew]

Shout out to the time we have Father saying he met mother after Albrecht screwed off but loid directly contradicting that by saying that Albrecht was around for the grandchildren

[coarse swift]

||About to get Adis again after I 'accidentally' killed his kin||

[restive river]

Ok so early
I recommend just finishing it but if you can’t wait, log off, login on the website and buy the plat there.

[coarse swift]

oh

[restive river]

It’s like
An hour, maybe a bit more iirc

[coarse swift]

I can just abandon mission and it just sends me back to the orbiter.

and it saved my progress.

Yeah, that answers my question.

[restive river]

Oh nice!

Prob cause you’re early enough

[fast dew]

Should've just bit the bullet smh

[restive river]

Though iirc it does usually say if you’re locked in

[coarse swift]

Meh, I have limited time in here cause... I'm not on my own computer.

[restive river]

And considering what the quest is
That makes sense
Neat!

[coarse swift]

I'm in a Computer Cafe.

[restive river]

Ah
Be careful inputting passwords n such

Public wifi is
Not safe

[coarse swift]

Yeah, I know. This computer cafe is safe, surely.

[fast dew]

Playing warframe in a computer Cafe is wild, but ykwhat. Hell yeah.

[coarse swift]

Like, Philippines 'Pay 50, get one hour' type thing.

[fast dew]

Just change yo password after you finish up

[coarse swift]

My laptop can't run Warframe.

[restive river]

Mobile warframe works shockingly well for
Still being mobile warframe

Ofc dependent on your device
Android should be this year tho

[coarse swift]

Yeah, I don't want my phone turn into an IED.

I sure as hell know it won't run WF.

[restive river]

Rip

[lean garden]

perchance snag a steam deck?

[coarse swift]

too poor.

[fast dew]

You know

I call myself poor

But im looking at really expensive shit

So maybe I am poor, with bad financial choices

[copper tapir]

my recommendation to you: Lossless Scaling on steam

https://tenor.com/view/luca-changretta-peaky-blinders-mafia-italian-gif-24422858

[humble sierra]

Download more ram

[drowsy saddle]

Unironically most phones do that lmao

[south sun]

Not really though.

[pale cedar]

I haven’t seen Wally since Isleweaver despite having the chair I can’t ask Wally for rent if he ain’t showing up to sit on normal chair

[restive river]

I kinda hope he will still show up someone after the arc is over

[abstract gale]

I wonder what happens when a sentient warframe (like umbra) went into the void. Would they go insane or would they be immune to the effects

[drowsy saddle]

Like umbra isn't already insane

[pale cedar]

Looks like I’ll have to go to Tau to find Albrecht early since Wally ain’t showing up

[restive river]

Sapient frames would go insane iirc, the Entrati ran void expeditions and that’s why the isolation vaults exist

[pale cedar]

As are all Warframes without Tenno, yes

Infested Madness makes all Warframes go insane

[opaque zenith]

In a gameplay mindset, I suspect Wally either don't appear if the chair is in a visible area when you login, or he despawn if your câmera moves from wherever you placed the chair

[abstract gale]

Alright thank you! That helped alot

[opaque zenith]

Angry Lizzie noises

[restive river]

I’m sure you can find more info if you look into the isolation vault info

[fast dew]

Btw the actual vault itself is ljke

[abstract gale]

I'm sure I'm not that far into the game yet lol

[fast dew]

Called a crypt???

[restive river]

Where are you?

[drowsy saddle]

When i first heard about iso vaults i thought they had ancient PSP roms

[fast dew]

Its captura, its called a crypt

[abstract gale]

Just finished angels of zariman

[restive river]

You’re way past it then lol
The iso vaults are on Deimos

[fast dew]

Homie you are past that

Thats like.

Way past that

[abstract gale]

Oh oops

[pale cedar]

If you’ve done Angels you’re far into the game

[fast dew]

You could've done that like

Before the new war

[pale cedar]

New War is a requirement for Angels

[fast dew]

No like the iso vaults

[pale cedar]

Oh, yeah definitely

[waxen mesa]

heart of deimos is like, a super super early quest is it not

[pale cedar]

But either way if you’re at Angels you’re no longer a new player

[opaque zenith]

They saw the disfunctional family and immediately dipped out forever lol

[fast dew]

Iirc its apart of the second? Arc? Maybe the first?

Fair enough

[abstract gale]

Ooo I still feel like a newbie lmao

[fast dew]

That is so understandable

[drowsy saddle]

Its like, immediately after archwing

[fast dew]

Can't wait for you to learn of the old man yaoi

[restive river]

(after entering Cambion Drift) Loid: "When the intrepid explorers returned from the Void, they would isolate themselves in the vaults until they re-aligned with causality and sanity. Technology useful against the Infestation may still—"

Said explorers were, at least at one point, Warframes (this is why Xaku exists)

[fast dew]

It can be done before it!

Which is... weird

[drowsy saddle]

Imma say it

Conceptual embodiment the archwings

[restive river]

||Does Lyon need to isolate after his pilgrimages?||

[restive river]

What

[abstract gale]

Woahg...

[pale cedar]

Do we need to isolate now we’re Void touched?

[drowsy saddle]

Idk, i just like labeling plot holes with either eternalism or CE

[drowsy saddle]

Touched where?

Point to the thrax doll where the Man touched you

[pale cedar]

Handshake

[restive river]

Eternalism will almost never work
But
What Plot Hole??

[fast dew]

You gonna love it dw

[fast dew]

Archwing before you build archwing

[drowsy saddle]

Nah get bent Roathe

[restive river]

Oh
We can just like
Be loaned tech lol

Or they forgot

[pale cedar]

If you get Roathe then you should understand

[restive river]

CE doesn’t really work to fill in gaps and Eternalism is even worse
At least CE is accessible, it’s just unwieldy

[waxen mesa]

it's not CE without the potential or existence of mass destruction

[pale cedar]

I’m just gonna CE Wally dead

[drowsy saddle]

I sass roathe any time possible, except when discussing Nitokh

So far its worked out

[restive river]

What

[eager briar]

Albrecht probably: should I save my family from the infestation by taking them to the basement? Na, I’d rather rage bait an eldridge being and make my lover clean up after my mistakes m,

[pale cedar]

I loved the fact I was able to ignore the Wally god convo by resetting to see if it fixes the Loid thing

[fast dew]

Its probably cuz HoD is intended to be done after the archwing, but its for some reason, allowed to do it first??

[restive river]

He may have left before then, idr

[restive river]

Probably cause you can just speedrun to Deimos
Tis silly

[fast dew]

Loid fought the infestation, so i wouldnt think so

[drowsy saddle]

Begs the question, how immune is Loid to the infestation?

[restive river]

Oh nvm
Albrecht sucks the basement had something worse than the infestation

[restive river]

He’s a normal human so not at all

[fast dew]

I don't.... I don't think he is

I worry about it

[drowsy saddle]

Then... How... Stairs?

[fast dew]

Its one of the driving forces behind the loid proto

[waxen mesa]

Wally got a lot of people killed

Duviri, as per the Drifter's own words, consumed what was left of Drifter's reality

[restive river]

Limbo Loid!!!!

[fast dew]

Gets infested
Helminth injection
Saved

With help from Roathe me thinks

[drowsy saddle]

Or does loid like... Use the grimoire to apply void energy or smth?

Or does he get us to cast Xata's whisper on him

[restive river]

CE doesn’t mean matter has to be destroyed???
Also what about that last bit???? I don’t believe that’s what’s said

[eager briar]

Limbo, Lavos, and Dante are probably friends

[fast dew]

But, theres also mother looking for her father (so hes gone) before she got infested

[waxen mesa]

deny it all you want but that's what Drifter said

[restive river]

How about share what they said

[drowsy saddle]

https://tenor.com/view/metal-gear-rising-metal-gear-rising-revengeance-raiden-senator-armstrong-source-gif-25038929

[waxen mesa]

bro idk what KIM conversation its from

[restive river]

https://tenor.com/view/thanos-gif-25117042

[fast dew]

Loid likely read all the shit about them and chose limbo bcs like

L-oid
L-imbo

And dapper clothing akin to his own

[strong viper]

"You smell like Duviri"

..."I am Duviri"

[pale cedar]

Loidbo

[opaque zenith]

"Hi Duviri I'm -"
And that's how the executions started

[fast dew]

Blorbo...

https://tenor.com/view/defeated-emoji-sad-pathetic-blorbo-gif-9985460645908804161

Me rn

[drowsy saddle]

Main argument against limbo loid, he doesn't have the hat

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/duviri-warframe-dominus-thrax-begin-again-spiral-gif-17147585142359123507

[waxen mesa]

anyway the conversation was something like

Proto: what happened to your reality?

Drifter: whatever was left went into Duviri, for better or for worse

[restive river]

Best I’ve found
Whatever you think they said I’m not finding it anywhere.

“I think whatever was left of it came with me into Duviri. For...better or worse.” Drifter on what happened to their universe

[waxen mesa]

that is exactly what I said they said

[restive river]

Amazing timing lmao

[waxen mesa]

Duviri consumed (whatever was left of) Drifter's reality

[restive river]

That’s
Not what’s being said here

Whatever was LEFT of it came WITH them into Duviri.

[waxen mesa]

Duviri sure as hell didn't give it back

[restive river]

Anyway
Conceptual embodiment doesn’t cause the destruction of matter, but Wally does eat universes

[drowsy saddle]

He hungy

[restive river]

I feel you have a gross misunderstanding of what’s being said here

[pale cedar]

I wonder if there is 2 Voids or it was same Void both times

[restive river]

It’s outside of spacetime and lacks both so prob just the one very big void

[drowsy saddle]

We had 1 void yes

But what about a second one?

[restive river]

Closest I can offer is Granum’s lil pocket

[fast dew]

He doesn't need the hat, none of the protos have the headgear

Though, for that idle where limbo lifts that hat

Imagine if it was his glasses

[drowsy saddle]

The crowning (hah) achievement for space capitalist Parvos Granum, inventing real estate in an endless infinite void

[waxen mesa]

buy Quincy a beret

[pale cedar]

Wally still hasn’t gone for Granum Void is he stupid?

[restive river]

Yes

[dark compass]

He will be forced to pay rent if he does

[drowsy saddle]

Its like monopoly, if wally enters he has to pay rent

[dark compass]

HAH

[fast dew]

As if Parvos doesnt abuse the "rent" he gets from Drusus

[waxen mesa]

Duviri: stolen from them. Nice vacation spot. Populated by robot lookin people

Granum Void: rock. used solely as a prison for 3 people at a time. populated by ghosts (spooky)

[woven coyote]

Not to mention that's not the only option
In another option drifter considers the zariman the only thing left
And in another yet he just considers it lost

[dark compass]

There can always be more

[drowsy saddle]

Wanna know why baro has void surplus? Cause granum is charging taxes for void toll gates

[waxen mesa]

all three of those things can be true at the same time

[opaque zenith]

Wally and Parvos are, allegedly, buddies. The voice of Desire and all that

[fast dew]

The whispers.

[waxen mesa]

The zariman is the Drifter's Zariman. Drifter's reality can be lost because it went into Duviri

[fast dew]

... oh thats probably why parvos wants entrati tech

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/ouvindo-vozes-as-vozes-maluca-gata-enlouquecendo-gif-11657861732475987606

[drowsy saddle]

They share drinks over their lost appendages

[pale cedar]

Pawn found

[fast dew]

Lyon core

[restive river]

Yeah, also Drifter has never been to their version of reality nor do we even know if it exists beyond the Zariman and Duviri
Which
Are tectonically from Operator’s as well due to the split

[restive river]

You’re assuming conceptual embodiment needs matter to function when that has never applied to it ever

[woven coyote]

Yeah the deal happened in the void too so he wasnt in "reality" to begin with

[waxen mesa]

you are assuming a lot of stuff i never said

[drowsy saddle]

Its in the name, conceptual, from nothing, something

[pale cedar]

Funny how Wally didn’t care that Drifter broke the deal by getting powers

[restive river]

????

[waxen mesa]

yes

[restive river]

What else does this mean????

[waxen mesa]

CE is a nuclear bomb. it is dangerous

[woven coyote]

That is an assumption, also an incorrect assumption

[restive river]

[pale cedar]

CE is dangerous
But so is literally everyone and everything

[waxen mesa]

ok please show me the example of CE where nothing went wrong

[drowsy saddle]

Conceptual embodiment isn't like alchemy, there isn't a need for equivalent exchange

[opaque zenith]

Tbf, it needs "something" to create. In case of the holfasts, it took their memories as said in the first rank up iirc

[restive river]

Belric and Rania

[woven coyote]

Incarnons

[waxen mesa]

I'm not too sure a gun is a good example of harmless CE

[restive river]

It needs the conceptual, the emotional
Not the physical beyond a mind to think up and feel.

[dark compass]

Belric the bold, Rania the clever-

[pale cedar]

Drifter creating their Bedroom without issue

[drowsy saddle]

Cavalero makes it sound like he dips weapons into a pool of void metal liquid

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-meow-silly-cat-cat-explode-yellow-cat-gif-12654556298327310612

[woven coyote]

Didnt go wrong since the adapters at least were cavalero dreaming of guns

[restive river]

Void Tunnel of Love causing zero problems by itself

[opaque zenith]

Yeah, not matter specifically, more like thoughs

[drowsy saddle]

Cavalero making incarnons is like that one guy who took an AR15 and grinded down the bolt to make a bullpup bolt action rifle

[pale cedar]

There’s less times it going wrong than there is it going right

[drowsy saddle]

I feel like its like airplane crashes, rare, but incredibly spectacular

[pale cedar]

Think when we summon the Kaithe in Origin we did CE?

[waxen mesa]

things can be taken out of Duviri

[restive river]

I miss my horse ):
oh hey my horse!

[waxen mesa]

Drifter probably bonded with their Kaithe to the point they could take the kaithe out of Duviri

[restive river]

Dammit auto correct

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/doctor-house-доктор-хаус-хаус-gif-12214380363960840199

[opaque zenith]

More like a straigh up nuclear power plant for the comparison

[restive river]

Piece of Wally go brrrr

[waxen mesa]

Wally doesn't own Duviri. That was settled via trial by combat with his girlfriend.

[pale cedar]

The house thing actually did happen see Drifters bedroom

[restive river]

[restive river]

It did yeah lmao

[drowsy saddle]

Conceptual embodiment is when a sperm whale and a bowl of Petunias suddenly appear in earth's atmosphere

[waxen mesa]

it was a joke 🫤

[restive river]

42

[lean garden]

I think they meant Mass destruction like WMD kind of mass destruction, but then again, its still not quite right

[drowsy saddle]

Don't forget your towels

[restive river]

No you just
Did not understand what I had meant but saying piece of wally, it has nothing to do with him and his relationship to Duviri but the fact we have a piece of him and can potentially stabilize conceptually embodied beings/entities (as we do It with the holdfasts essentially)

[pale cedar]

I might CE love into existence to beat Wally’s Indifference tbh that might even make a certain doll happy

[waxen mesa]

hey man look. you don't have to be offended every time I say something

I'm not being mean to you. you are free to ignore my messages

[dark compass]

Conceptually embodying myself into this conversation

[restive river]

I guess I can’t correct anything wow

[pale cedar]

Wouldn’t that be deconceptial embodiment because you’re already here?

[opaque zenith]

Or the simple solution, 2 of you

[restive river]

Physical disembodiment?

Just make a deal with a totally not weird grinning version of yourself wearing your future mom’s severed arm

[dark compass]

As many of me as it requires

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder why wally used the hand

[restive river]

Mockery

[pale cedar]

How did Wally know that happened in our own personal history that he hadn’t been introduced in yet

[drowsy saddle]

Wally is beyond conventional time

At least, until Albrecht's finger shenanigananery?

Its confusing me

[waxen mesa]

you mean before he got CE'd?

Wally is achronisitic.

or I guess the void is...but that's a bit of a 'same thing' matter i suppose

[pale cedar]

Does this mean Wally can enter our mind scape or whatever it was physically

[opaque zenith]

Some girls trash(hand) is anothers cosmic entity treasure

That sounded wrong...

[pale cedar]

Wally can do that but can’t stop his own fingers being chopped off

[opaque zenith]

Anyway, there was a hand hanging in the void (following new war part 1) and Wally yoinked and put it to (trauma-related) use

[waxen mesa]

I think that was early in his existence

Wally's fingers being cut off and stolen is, at least theorized, to be why he's so angy

[restive river]

Wally existed a good while before the Zariman incident

[waxen mesa]

that's....not...what im talking about? at all?

[restive river]

It’s factually a reason he’s mad, he specially hates the Orokin

[restive river]

I’m misunderstanding then, what are you talking about?

[waxen mesa]

Wally's fingers weren't cut off in the zariman

[restive river]

I’m aware yes

[waxen mesa]

"I think that (wally's fingers being cut off) was early in his existence"

does that clarify things

[restive river]

Oh
Yes

Thank you

[pale cedar]

I’m talking about how he had Natah hand in our mind prior to that happening yet in our mind

[fast dew]

His fingers were cut off, presumably, at the start of his existence lol

[restive river]

It wasn’t our mind but yeah it’s weird

[pale cedar]

Whatever you’d call it

[restive river]

At least at the start of his existence of having a form

[pale cedar]

The loop thing

[restive river]

Our timeline

From my understanding we were literally trapped in a loop of our own history

[drowsy saddle]

We're in a roundabout

[waxen mesa]

i think im a bit lost on what this 'mindscape' we're referring to is

[restive river]

Which ig is how we could loop in Drifter

[waxen mesa]

duviri?

[opaque zenith]

But wally normally has all fingers when mimicking people, just the actual wall form who has it missing. And the Duviri guy

[drowsy saddle]

And wally gets to drive over the grass

[restive river]

Remember in the new war when the operator is reliving the Zariman incident?
That

[waxen mesa]

ah

[fast dew]

No, thats how kalymos stole those cars

[restive river]

It’s literally us being trapped in our own history

[pale cedar]

So does that actually confirm Wally has knowledge of events in looping history?

[waxen mesa]

I actually don't but I'll take your word for it

All I remember is we were on the zariman walking about the halls

[restive river]

** SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT **

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.

That force is Drifter who also cannot escape without Operator’s help
Which is the Duviri Paradox

[pale cedar]

PC is such a know it all

[restive river]

Thank you magic PC I hate that we still don’t know what wrote you

[drowsy saddle]

Timey wimey slimey shenanigananery

[restive river]

Wibbly wobbly PC of
stuff

[drowsy saddle]

Sol and Lua, i.e Steve and Reb

/s

[restive river]

So Albrecht and Lotus?

They say Albrecht wasn’t inspired by Steve but
C’moooon he’s even got the hat!

[ocean geyser]

The test on eternalism the class takes and styff

[drowsy saddle]

What if the ingame DE in 1999 is actually a front for Sol and Lua to pull the strings

[pale cedar]

Stevebrecht

[opaque zenith]

DE in game is already stated as a lazy company trying to GPT games with techrot (it went badly ofc)

[pale cedar]

Mom and Grandpa on the other side

[waxen mesa]

wha? that wasn't a flashback?

[drowsy saddle]

That's what they want you to believe!

Its a conspiracy!

[dark compass]

Waiting for infestation to release its own ludoplex game

[restive river]

Nope!

[waxen mesa]

did they fix the Drifterator bug yet? I've been meaning to replay the story but I've been waiting for that bug to be fixed

[pale cedar]

Yes

[fast dew]

I hate you

[waxen mesa]

cool. mayb ill hurry along to new war so I can refresh myself

[fast dew]

Why do you hate me nemesis.

[dark compass]

You're late

[fast dew]

Im writing okay i can be late

[pale cedar]

I’m called Nemesis

[restive river]

Tbf it does not make it obvious that we’re stuck in our own history

[pale cedar]

Do the logic

[ocean geyser]

I guess “You can’t kill the devil, but you can send it back to hell” makes more sense now

[restive river]

Hell is just trauma ):

[ocean geyser]

Hell being the memories of the zariman jump and all

[opaque zenith]

Legally distinct prototype, Frametype

[restive river]

Framewar

[waxen mesa]

Lizzie takes a break from music to make a game

[fast dew]

Here I thought we were nemesises together 💔

[restive river]

Was it Framewar
What was the dark sector clone lol

[waxen mesa]

it's just a Drifter dating simulator

[fast dew]

War sector

[restive river]

Thank you!

[fast dew]

It was war sector

[restive river]

Mad we never got that anywhere in game

[drowsy saddle]

Darkframe

[fast dew]

I live to serve

[ocean geyser]

Techrot seems to like music more than games
Cringe

[fast dew]

Nah music is sick

[ocean geyser]

I mean music good but like

[fast dew]

Albrecht likes music it seems

[ocean geyser]

Bideogames…..

[dark compass]

That's why it'll make a guitar hero clone

[restive river]

It was kinda forced

[opaque zenith]

K, hear me out
Doki Doki Legacyte Club

[pale cedar]

We are when it comes to hating 2 specific people

[restive river]

Love that the techrot eats code

[fast dew]

Given how many bloody cassettes this man has in the backrooms

[drowsy saddle]

I know it would bloat the game, and/or take away precious dev time, but imagine if war sector was just dark sector but shoved into warframe

[fast dew]

We do be haters on a critical level

[restive river]

I mean
It wasn’t even that, it was the prototype before darksector lol

[fast dew]

All my homies severely dislike [redacted] and [redacted]

[restive river]

It was literally what they originally planned
Got forced to do darksector instead
And then did Warframe and against many odds, succeeded

[fast dew]

Got so bad one got a CAH card

[ocean geyser]

This is funny because doom eternal lets you play the earlier games on it lmao

[restive river]

I highly recommend looking into Warframe’s development history

[drowsy saddle]

But it would be incredibly funny if the next minigame was just... Dark sector, but in warframe's engine

[ocean geyser]

So DE could try something similar

[fast dew]

After knowing an Easter egg and finishing the game 😭

[dark compass]

To be fair, original doom is like 10mb

[drowsy saddle]

Or if you tried to play war sector, it'll open the steam page for dark sector

[fast dew]

Bet you dont know what doom 2's password is referring to

[fast dew]

Shit was put on 6 floppies

[restive river]

1999 was just a homage to it
Maybe we could have Drifter become a really big fan of the book or movie and then get traumatized in the void again

[fast dew]

Do you understand how tiny that is

[restive river]

You can run Doom right now
Just think about it

[fast dew]

I do

I deadass had a dream about playing doom 3

[restive river]

Thomas constantly has a doom window open in his head

[fast dew]

I was sitting on my bed playing doom 3 in a dream

[pale cedar]

How do you feel about Doom 3 not being created because of the nukes?

[restive river]

Oop

[fast dew]

I want to bite whoever made those nukes.

The world missed out on peak.

[restive river]

Oro? Kinemetrik? ZeViLa?

[fast dew]

Thankfully, that doom comic still would exist

Absolute cinema

[restive river]

Chainsaw frame when

[pale cedar]

Did Motorcycles even manage to exist in modern day?

[drowsy saddle]

DE please fix the Ghoulsaw

[restive river]

In 1999?

[fast dew]

Maybe thats why Albrecht seemed so interested in them lol

[pale cedar]

Like past 1999 other than us taking one

[restive river]

Nvm you meant origin system lol

[drowsy saddle]

I mean, the corpus coil drives?

[restive river]

His notes on them are so funny lol

[fast dew]

"What the shit are those'" and thats how Albrecht got a engine burn on his calf

[restive river]

:O
future bike

[opaque zenith]

Stoping to think about it, warframe universe never passed half-life 1. Dunno if it's better or not to stay ignorant to the second and never 3 hell

[pale cedar]

I feel Orokin moved past em because Space faring

[drowsy saddle]

Gotta love scifi version of stuff is removing wheels

[restive river]

lol

[fast dew]

"LCD Screen - ew cant we do better" or something. He's so real

[pale cedar]

Did Orokin have ships before Zariman?

[drowsy saddle]

Real talk, Kaya and Aoi would love the ventkids, they'd definitely build their own K-drives

[drowsy saddle]

Yes? Orokin towers are basically super yachts that doubled as bunkers

[fast dew]

Personal favourites

Why does he type like that

[drowsy saddle]

Tism

[pale cedar]

“Space Mall”

[fast dew]

"HALF-TRUE", "SOMETHING BETTER???", "(Benevolently)"

[pale cedar]

Kaya will never make me look at a relay any other way again

[fast dew]

He be looking more and more autistic as we get more updates

[kindred barn]

Is Lavos a currently active independent character or has he died/gone dormant along with nearly everything else Tenno?

[hazy prism]

Beyond his lore, he isn't really a character or active (beyond us making lavos primes)

[drowsy saddle]

Considering how much the orokin shunned abnormalities, Albrecht's weird behavior and social outcast could really just be the tism

[fast dew]

Thats what im thinking tbh

[pale cedar]

Originals died we built copy

[fast dew]

Its established now that he acted like that before the void incident

So now we can comfortably say it wasn't ptsd masquerading as it

[drowsy saddle]

Considering his base helmet has a permanent scar from an experiment, i assume he did a Limbo and scattered himself across deimos

[dark compass]

Father keeps the original blueprints, but Lavos also primed himself

Definitely not active anymore

[drowsy saddle]

Then tried recreating 4loko and blew himself up

[dark compass]

I don't think any frames that we get are

[drowsy saddle]

Lavos doesn't care for OSHA regulations

[dark compass]

Except for Chroma

[opaque zenith]

Since there's no history for what happened to the majority of frames, then presumably, all first batch frames are gone. Even Umbra needed to be rebuilt

[waxen mesa]

I don't think there is any warframe we see in game that's the actual original....besides Temple I guess if you want to be a bit creative with the definition

[opaque zenith]

Yeah there's Chroma for the only active one

[waxen mesa]

and Jade I guess in that one quest

[drowsy saddle]

Im assuming we're never getting a clear answer as to what the hell is going on with Chroma

[kindred barn]

i mean. He was active well into us being awake. He got sploded by balls as that quest started.

[dark compass]

Chroma, Jade and Harrow

[waxen mesa]

and harrow right

well actually IS that the original harrow?

[hazy prism]

Stalker too then

[waxen mesa]

or is that one of the harrows produced

[dark compass]

It's A harrow

Good enough in my opinion

It has Rell attached

[waxen mesa]

Not for me but tomato/tomato

[hazy prism]

No indication that it's the Original, just an original Harrow

[opaque zenith]

Yeah, dead after, copy (my guess)

[dark compass]

Kullervo and Oraxia kinda????

[drowsy saddle]

Considering Lyon's KIM chats, its original enough to have the lingering spirit of harrow

[waxen mesa]

Kullervo would still fit into the "is that the original" territory

Oraxia I guess if Oraxia didn't properly exist during the Orokin era

[mystic lynx]

Stalker technically as well

[waxen mesa]

isn't Stalker an excalibur?

[dark compass]

He has completely different abilites

[drowsy saddle]

I mean, technically our starter frame is an original, no?

[hazy prism]

The impression I got from Lyon's chat is more the Harrow batch itself is sort of tainted, like black rage for blood angels

[waxen mesa]

if you are a founder maybe (actually maybe not even then)

[mystic lynx]

Well no?
We didn't need to gather bp for our starter

[hazy prism]

The cinematic does make it seem like that tbh

[waxen mesa]

although im thinking i just got a different definition of original

[mystic lynx]

We just got it as is

[dark compass]

I thought we were just talking about "active" frames

Not whether they're original or not

[waxen mesa]

I thought we were talking about original frame, not a clone

of which I'd say. Jade and maybe stalker and Temple depending on your school of thought

[drowsy saddle]

Im just thinking of frames that survived post naga drums till now

Which now i think of it, Temple/Flare counts

[mystic lynx]

Is Jade the first of her kind?

[opaque zenith]

To be active without a tenno, need to be 1st batch, aka the original, unless umbra and his specific bolt

[waxen mesa]

Jade is the only Jade prior to Jade Shadows

[dark compass]

Hm

[drowsy saddle]

The orokin are already comically evil, no need to have them helminth hundreds of pregnant women to make more Jades

[waxen mesa]

Injects you with Jade strain "congratulations you're pregnant with execution"

[opaque zenith]

I totally see Ball Ass doing that and mocking/blaming Jade, tho

[drowsy saddle]

"what's the baby's gender?"

"Heat Procs"

[mystic lynx]

At long last
The origin of 🫃

[dark compass]

I guess the baby will inherit the heat

[restive river]

“Heat Inherit”

[waxen mesa]

i can't wait for Stalker's baby to grow up so we can have yet another heatframe

[restive river]

I kinda want the kid to just
Do true damage or something
Please

[dark compass]

Finally, we will have Kratos and Atreus in warframe

[restive river]

We’re drowning in fire frames

[waxen mesa]

maybe the kid will grow up alt and we'll get a...whatever element we don't have yet. I forget

[drowsy saddle]

Baby gamemode where the movement is Sprodling-esque and abilities are just stalker stabbing people the baby points at

[restive river]

We need a cold frame
We got toxin with Oraxia
We have too much Heat
Electric with Gyre, which been a bit but still

[waxen mesa]

there's some element we don't have any warframes for yet, if you ignore the all element ones

[mystic lynx]

The kid should have all of stalker ability but instead of doing it himself he summon his dad to do it instead

[dark compass]

Only gas doesn't really have one

Everything else exists

[restive river]

I believe we have most covered, but it depends if you mean a frame centered around that damage type or just dealing that damage type

[dark compass]

In both cases we have all of them

[drowsy saddle]

I remember copium huffing that Rusalka would be a gas protoframe

[restive river]

Do you by chance have a list-

[stiff beacon]

Still could be a proto

[restive river]

Maybe at the end of the arc

[drowsy saddle]

Main issue would be how to handle the long arm

[restive river]

Since we can apparently just reset the helminth itself now(????) it’d be fine

[hazy prism]

If Atlas could be considered the "impact" frame
And Garuda as the "slash" frame
Do we have a "puncture" frame

[drowsy saddle]

She'd need new animations

[mystic lynx]

Do we have a frame centered around impact/puncture the way ash is with slash

[restive river]

Remove it and now she grows a new one or somethin

[dark compass]

Heat - you know already
Toxin - there are hundreds
Cold - Frost
Electric - Gyre and Volt
Viral - Dagath
Corrosive - Hydroid
Magnetic - Mag
Blast - Nova
Radiation - Qorvex, Nyx

And that's just off the top of my head

[restive river]

Void - Xaku
Tau - Caliban

[dark compass]

Yea

Gas is the only one without a representative

[fluid nacelle]

styanax

[restive river]

Toxin would be Saryn and Oraxia iirc
Which I think both deal either corrosive or viral too? Idr

[stiff beacon]

Next frame prob

[restive river]

Grendel coulda been it ):

[dark compass]

Toxin has Saryn, Oraxia, Nokko

[mystic lynx]

Saryn is all tox related except gas

[dark compass]

Etc

[drowsy saddle]

Wasn't there a debate about whether or not archon continuity actually works on Saryn?

[restive river]

Wait Nokko deals toxin?

[dark compass]

Yes

[stiff beacon]

Undeserved Oberon disrespect

[drowsy saddle]

His shroomball

[hazy prism]

With archon Cont, Oraxia can do corrosive procs, otherwise, just toxin

[restive river]

Ah thats where I got it ty

[restive river]

If she can deal toxin she can use archon cont

Unless spaghetti code

[drowsy saddle]

That's the thing, its a weapon buff

[hazy prism]

Also Saryn has corrosive on her spores

[drowsy saddle]

Not applied via ability

[mystic lynx]

Her 3 applies toxin

[drowsy saddle]

No it makes your weapons deal toxin

[mystic lynx]

No way silken stride proc archon cont

[restive river]

Dang so Gas is really the only one

[dark compass]

Yep

[fluid nacelle]

saryn 2 deals toxin damage

[restive river]

Oh I just remembered
Gauss
Heat, Cold AND Blast

[drowsy saddle]

Molt deals toxin?

[fluid nacelle]

yes

[drowsy saddle]

Neat

[fluid nacelle]

the explosion damage

[mystic lynx]

And impact to a degree

[dark compass]

Wouldn't count him as a rep for anything

[waxen mesa]

do we have a gas frame yet

[restive river]

So we need a frame that causes big lift and a frame that spreads the stank

[dark compass]

No we do not

[waxen mesa]

give us a gas frame

[hazy prism]

No, besides lavos (he's cheating though)

[restive river]

Okay that’s fair lol

[dark compass]

You can say Gauss is also an electric frame because of redline sparks

[fluid nacelle]

Gauss is just speed

[dark compass]

But they are actually fake, they do ips damage

[restive river]

Okay yeah Gauss is disqualified

[dark compass]

[fluid nacelle]

but unlike volt, he's just sprint speed

[drowsy saddle]

Cyclops all over again

[mystic lynx]

Rhino is so close at fulfilling impact

[stiff beacon]

He's kinetic energy

[opaque zenith]

For pure blast there's Nova

[drowsy saddle]

Cyclops from the X-men doesn't shoot lasers from his eyes. His beams are purely kinetic

[waxen mesa]

well i gotta go to work, but I leave y'all with this question.

Did Albrecht create Wally, or did he just give Wally a body and Wally always existed

[restive river]

So Cold, Magnetic, Viral, Blast and Corrosive are contenders
But Gas needs it the most
And Impact too ig

[hazy prism]

Punch dimension baby

[mystic lynx]

Magnetic technically have no representation as well

No mag proc on her

[hazy prism]

Mag...

[drowsy saddle]

Wukong for impact, big stick

[fluid nacelle]

both

[woven coyote]

Even after rework the poor radioactive goatman remains forgotten

[drowsy saddle]

Baruuk too, punch man

[hazy prism]

Baruuk, Atlas and Wukong for impact?

[dark compass]

Imo IPS damage representatives aren't really relevant because of how spread out the damage allocation is on those

[fluid nacelle]

rhino is impact because of his passive

[dark compass]

There are lots of frames who spread impact

[opaque zenith]

Atlas isn't a stat spreader, but would be impact-frame i think

[dark compass]

On top of their normal element

[fast dew]

I like how jade is a fire frame but like. Not "ohh flames and red" heat frame

[drowsy saddle]

Gara could be slash and puncture

[dark compass]

Heat but death beam type of heat

[fast dew]

Its actually a reference to the type of angel she's based on

[woven coyote]

Technically khora represents ips
Swapping modes on venari swaps ips on her abilities

[fast dew]

Seraphim are related to fire

[dark compass]

On damn, that's really cool actually

[restive river]

My interpretation is a bit of both, he always existed in the same way the void did, as nothing, but with Albrecht he now was something.
And due to Albrecht’s emotional state at the time and the fear that followed Wally was heavily influenced.

[dark compass]

Yeah I feel like we have ips representation without any need for dedicated frames

Except Garuda, she's slashing the competition

[fast dew]

-# people blame Albrecht for this btw

[restive river]

Isn’t Saryn like
Named after a Gas???

[dark compass]

Yes but that's because she's stinky

[drowsy saddle]

Yes, but misspelled due to IRL events iirc?

[dark compass]

Saryn needs a bath

[restive river]

Minerva confirms does not shower

[waxen mesa]

I told Roathe this but IMO

The void always had a will.

Albrecht taught the void how to think and how to exist.

Wally is the void and the void is Wally.

[dark compass]

Those spores cannot be good for hygiene

[opaque zenith]

Make a vírus-name gas frame then

[drowsy saddle]

Which tbh, has probably caused me to mispell the actual gas in normal documents

[restive river]

Wally is not the void but we shall agree to disagree

[mystic lynx]

I'm fairly certain that Saryn have an augment that leave behind a TOXIC cloud
We were so close

[hazy prism]

Gas based Chemical weapon

[restive river]

So we were robbed basically

[drowsy saddle]

I mean... The Purgator 1

[waxen mesa]

we'll just have to wait 9 years for the conclusion of the wallarc.

[woven coyote]

Or at least it did in the past

It's why all her decoration changes as you swap venari modes, with one having blades, the other spikes, and the last one little hammerheads and balls

[drowsy saddle]

Gas procs on headshots

[dark compass]

There's a weird amount of weapons that don't actually proc gas, but create lingering damage instances that deal gas dmg without any status

[restive river]

Imagine if there’s 9 years more
That means the Tau arc is even longer-

[restive river]

DE is afraid of the stank

[hazy prism]

Kinda? Sarin (the chemical weapon) was basically like a chemical explosion, because it didn't linger like other chemical weapons

[restive river]

Dang

[hazy prism]

Very deadly, as it was a nerve agent

[restive river]

What is like
Just a deadly gas, not corrosive, lingers, does some approximation to the gas proc in game

[dark compass]

Void War is gonna take the time like Homestuck Act 6 Act 6 Act 6

[south sun]

Wonder where they'll go when Wally is dealt with.
Though Tau and the sentients is probably first.

So maybe by that point it'll be actual aliens.

[restive river]

Oml 😭
Can’t wait for the retcon arc

[south sun]

Not other things that are "Origin-system sourced" or the Void.

[dark compass]

Don't you realize, that's what 1999 is setting up

[waxen mesa]

Nowhere. End of story

[woven coyote]

Nothing with non horrible irl connotations

[dark compass]

Have you not played the hex

[restive river]

The Tau arc has started and we know it’s the longest one yet apparently

[fast dew]

..... would nitrogen count? I think it could work, only issue is, it needs to be dense enough to cause damage, which is usually just when its in its liquid form iirc

[hazy prism]

Yup, basically does nothing to the environment, just got into the body and made you suffocate after which the gas itself was dispersed

[restive river]

We do technically rewrite history
Maybe we can topple Oro and Kinemtrik in a year?

[south sun]

There's always some kind of escalation, DE (and parent company) still like money after all clem

[dark compass]

No we will just have another game over

[restive river]

):
maybe that’s why no gas frame

[dark compass]

[hazy prism]

Nitrogen to suffocate people takes too long and needs to fill the room

[restive river]

Yay
Pointless death

[dark compass]

I do wonder what is the endgame for this saga

[fast dew]

I wonder how tf we're gonna kill wally

Will killing him take our powers away?

[restive river]

I think we’ll ultimately be trapping Wally in Neci
But
Tbh that doesn’t even feel like a solution

[dark compass]

They could always focus on exploring the infestation

[fast dew]

Or are we gonna nihil his ass

[restive river]

Rell again isn’t the solution

[dark compass]

I geniunely think we will just calm Wally down at the end

[restive river]

Really scared this is gonna come up….

[south sun]

I really hope they don't try to "redeem" Wally.

...it happens a lot

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/anime-love-lets-party-feel-gif-24225507

[hazy prism]

What if it doesn't end with defeating Wally, but a pact, like we do something and Wally agrees to not mess with us

[fast dew]

Id honestly stop playing

[restive river]

I mean his forces need to exist to some extent after

[woven coyote]

Probably, least horrible way people take a gas frame is "hurr durr fart" worst is.... yknow the moustache man

[fast dew]

Guess im wally now

[dark compass]

Show him some form of affection(of course, using the dax sol/lua dial for how we do it) and he just disintegrates

[restive river]

So Gas is just doomed to be the worst

[dark compass]

[dark compass]

murmur Pazuul

[pale cedar]

Hello, TorWally

[restive river]

He’s def beyond redemption
He doesn’t want that, at most he wants chaos, entropy or to be like “us”

[fast dew]

Tormis and wally had a love child.

Thats me hi

[south sun]

It'll just go on anyways regardless of where the plot is.
Similar to how you can kill Alad a thousand times.

[restive river]

I don’t think that’d work but I wanna see how they’d spin it lol

[south sun]

Not the first time though.
Hunhow was "beyond redemption" too until he wasn't.

[restive river]

True ig yeah

[opaque zenith]

Wally still needs to keep atacking the sanctum (for gameplay), so unless the murmur decides to not obey their master, no redemption for Wally, only dismiss his power i would guess

[south sun]

Things change, new ideas, etc, etc

[restive river]

Yeah but he’s grandpa
Wally is literally our abuser

[dark compass]

Hunhow started out as great and terrible and now everyone sees him as a grumpy kinda racist grandfather

[south sun]

^

[fast dew]

He never really was great and terrible

[dark compass]

He's huge, and he's bad at family matters

[restive river]

I do really hope that Wally utilizes his void angel army and further utilizes the fact that our ghost parents are likely a part of it

[south sun]

He was the "big bad villain" to the story.

[hazy prism]

Hunhow is still "human" enough to begin with, he has loves, and emotions, and from his perspective was somewhat justified in doing what he did

Wally is too alien to apply that at all

[south sun]

That came with time, but wasn't always the case.

[restive river]

I don’t even care if we see them, just our tenno being hit with having to fight their parents who they either killed or had to listen to/watch die might be too much for us

[fast dew]

Mm, I don't think that necessarily makes him evil, not like wally

[south sun]

Something will come up, Wally turns out to being manipulated by the EVEN BIGGER BAD!

[restive river]

Oh also in terms of whats next after all this, maybe
Tormis
Scarne
Nitokh

[south sun]

-# I really hope this doesn't happen... it'd also just be bad writing, lol

[restive river]

The EVEN GREATER INDIFFERENCE

[south sun]

Unindiference?
clem

[fast dew]

I genuinely don't see a thing Hunhow did that wasn't based on the fact the orokin went off to murder and result in his species being sterilised, essentially causing a genocide

Compared to wally who just made us kill our parents because...?

[restive river]

Clem is how we kill Wally

[hazy prism]

Just gets shorter, the great Difference

[opaque zenith]

"Destroider of words" "We crossed the gap, severed words" He's chill now but Hunhow's totally an old war criminal guy

[restive river]

Experimentation

[fast dew]

Like. Albrecht did some shit but he had a somewhat decent reason behind it

[restive river]

What worlds did bro even destroy smh
its def not a literal title

[hazy prism]

Runs in the family

[restive river]

Scared of big man in wall

[fast dew]

And he regrets it, takes no pleasure in what he is forced to do

Wally...

Wally just does it

[south sun]

In a somewhat serious note... wouldn't be surprised at all if Soulframe and Warframe end up having some crossover-thing.

So the overarching big-bad alien species from Soulframe impacting Warframe at some point could happen.

[dark compass]

Bombastine (full power)

[pale cedar]

Actually is Albrecht afraid of the Void or Wally?

[restive river]

They’ve said multiple times they aren’t connected
Not that this theory will ever die

[fast dew]

Still not over calling vomalysts or whatever the spelling is "Bombalysts"

[restive river]

The Ode would get cooked by the Tenno ez

[restive river]

Wally

[woven coyote]

I always saw the severed the worlds line as him referencing how he destroyed the solar rail to tau

[hazy prism]

Wally, or both depending on how you interpret Wally

[restive river]

If he’s the void then why allow Belric and Rania?

[opaque zenith]

There's that, yes

[fast dew]

Wally, Albrecht doesnt seem to have qualms using voidtech

[main arch]

"When the first scholar looked into the Void... his fear took shape. Do you understand? It is how all this started."

[restive river]

Love so powerful it embodies even outside of the void

[fast dew]

His fear was from dying

Ive always thought that was obvious

He fell and was afraid of dying

[pale cedar]

Albrecht seemed perfectly content with jumping into the Void tbh

[hazy prism]

If the void created Wally, rather than wally just inhabiting it, Albrecht probably would be somewhat scared of the monster making factory

[fast dew]

Tbf i think that was him being very desperate

[restive river]

I mean that’s like being scared of all of nature cause sharks happened

Which can happen but is a horrible overreaction

[restive river]

The fear Wally instilled didn’t help the situation either

If Wally is really influenced by fear, by others perceptions of him then
He is very dangerous

[fast dew]

He wanted to prove himself as worthy, as something to remember.

Not an uncommon sentiment, especially with how we know Albrecht is like.

[pale cedar]

It’s funny how Albrecht is the only Orokin that ever showed himself afraid

[fast dew]

I think its really humanising for him

[south sun]

Things can always change....

The longsword's description already gives a pathway.

[fast dew]

I like how DE goes out of their way to humanise Albrecht compared to other things

Yet.

All is ignored because "le protoframes said he'd kill a puppy"

[restive river]

I’m fairly certain that sword is as canon as the bunny ears
Or the candy cane scythe

[woven coyote]

Not to mention soulframe has aliens while warframe doesnt

[restive river]

Well we have flowers!

[woven coyote]

Like their settings dont mesh

[hazy prism]

Wait soulframe isn't pure fantasy?

[restive river]

Nah it’s sci fi fantasy

[south sun]

They reused quite a few assets too.

[woven coyote]

Just like how warframe is magic sci fi

[south sun]

First thing I saw on my character is Nyx's noble idle animation, lol

[restive river]

They use the same engine

[south sun]

Yep.

[restive river]

If DE says they aren’t connected
They aren’t connected

[south sun]

DE's Evolution Engine, originally was a HEAVILY modified UE3, but so far from that point it barley counts as UE3.

[restive river]

Let’s not have this be another dark sector situation

[hazy prism]

Inb4 Soul frame takes place post radiation wars, but before the orokin rise to power

[south sun]

There's a lot of things that they said one way that ultimately changed later on.

Time can make things change.

[restive river]

Alca isn’t Earth

[south sun]

May take years.

[restive river]

It literally has 2 stars and a green moon

[fast dew]

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1447039990847504535/1448726608981659689/IMG_0074.gif

Its just tau smh

[restive river]

And yet if the original intention is they are separate and are two entirely different MMOs it’s more likely they’ll keep them separate

As interesting as an idea as it would be I don’t think it’d be very wise to do or good for either game

[woven coyote]

Would be pretty bad yeah

[south sun]

Though it doesn't seem as far-fetched...

Just takes Steve relenting at some point down the line.

But I think there is, as we’ve been saying, a lot of familiarity between both games, and it’s important to keep them separate in terms of how they play and the vibes we’re going for. Obviously, Warframe has twelve years of a lot of different vibes. So maybe at some point we’ll have, you know, some cute critter vibes—who knows?—and it’ll feel like a weird crossover.

I keep trying to rally Steve to do a Warframe–Soulframe crossover, and so far he’s rejected me. But I think it’s a special choice to keep the two separate. That said, sharing is always caring—so when we see improvements, it goes both ways. If Warframe makes an improvement, Soulframe can benefit from it, and vice versa. There’s no point in not sharing those improvements.

Because I can't post source-links:
Gamerant's article. "Digital Extremes Devs On Establishing Soulframe's Identity: "It's Not Just Warframe With Swords""

[restive river]

I mean cosmetic crossovers is one thing but them being actually connected is another

[hazy prism]

A crossover is fine, FFXIV did it with ther other FF games, but the lore is always kept seperate

[south sun]

Basically just "never say never".

[restive river]

That’d make new players feel like they have to pickup an entire other MMO.

It would just be very unwise to just cobble them together later down the line

And it’d really only benefit the few who play both
Because let’s be real, once it releases publicly we’ll have Soulframe players who have barely heard of Warframe

Also that kind of massive decision should probably be made as early as possible, who knows what impact it would have to have them share a universe

[thick cedar]

Hear me out!
Oxylus Prime could arrive in Tau update.
Tenno will use several of those to plant xenoflora which were grown by Hunhow on UrAnus.

[strange turtle]

It’s talking about the Zariman

The Zariman is whats left over

“Whatever was left of it” is the big giant ship in the sky that got made there

And whatever else was on it

Like the Zariman tablets

[pale cedar]

Duviri is the “back garden” of the Zariman tbh

[strange turtle]

Does that mean the Holdfasts are the Backyardigans

[pale cedar]

Yes

Backyardians of the Galaxy

[thick cedar]

There's literally a garden sentinel to water plants there.

Oxylus will be proud.

[north jolt]

*yet

[hollow trench]

I think hands down

The sacrifice is the best quest in terms of tear jerking

Umbra is the 🐐 of warframes

Respectfully I understand if folks want to be wrong.

Gauss strikes me as the type of person to rage bait you hard

[dry oracle]

Probably protoframe version

[pale cedar]

I mean, the goat is whichever you used when the frame pulled the sword out when we were in danger

[dark compass]

new lore

[ashen pulsar]

when are they gonna fix the resupply bug 😭

is wally stealing my acid shells nuking too

[dark compass]

Yes

Mara Lohk means Acid Shells

[narrow pendant]

he ragebaits drifter for once telling him they know a guy who is faster

[mental herald]

So durviri was all in drifters mind when they were hiding in the zariman, it's like their nightmare?

[strange plinth]

duviri is a conceptual embodiment based on the book, Tales of Duviri. drifter manifested it when they were alone on the zariman, yes, but it is an actual place

[mental herald]

Also was the void discovered before the orokin sent the sentients to tau? They always knew about the void?

[restive river]

Yes they discovered it before then

It wasn’t useful until Albrecht Entrati fell into the void

[strange plinth]

didn't always know about it but they were aware of it by then, yes, as the sentients were designed to be weak to the void

[restive river]

Literally was nothing, no energy, nothing

[ocean geyser]

Until we got the fingie

[restive river]

Until Albrecht fell in

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[mental herald]

With how much of a curious case they are . I thought they would get into the void? Like only one orkin was into it that much?

[restive river]

The finger and Wally are just one aspect of his trip, the void just has energy now due to Albrecht

[mental herald]

What did alrbertch do that made it so powerful

[restive river]

They were the only ones to really utilize void tech

[restive river]

Nothing
He just fell in

Conceptual embodiment is very powerful

[strange plinth]

if there were others, they had given up. albrecht was the one dedicated enough to throw himself in until it worked

[mental herald]

So basically you imagine it so hard it just happens

[ocean geyser]

Or rather, fingies
Since all accounts mentioned multiple fingers being severed despite Wally only having one ok his hand
Unless we’re going with the idea of the “fingers” being just the seperate finger bones of one finger

[mental herald]

Wish real life was like that fr

[restive river]

It’s likely that the void only has the energy it does due to what Albrecht was hoping for

[restive river]

Not exactly no

You can’t actually control conceptual embodiment

[strange plinth]

where's that yonta quote

[ocean geyser]

I guess you can consider Albrecht to be the spark that ignited the Void’s energy
That first dose of emotions that set everything going

[restive river]

The void takes the concepts in your mind, your emotions and makes them real

[mental herald]

Also is the opertaor basically corrupted too? Like corrupted vor

They can't die

[restive river]

One was severed
Multiple fell
And the Orokin replicated them (somehow)

[ocean geyser]

The corrupted aren’t purely of the void

[restive river]

No, they have a piece of Wally at all times though which is how we have our powers
The tenno can absolutely die but it’s. Difficult to do so

We have very few confirmed Tenno deaths

[ocean geyser]

Rather the Orokin built the Neural Sentry to hijack people’s brains and turn them into golden zombies

[mental herald]

Rumor is they long press x to revive themselves ( sorry)

[ocean geyser]

It’s basically just Void powered, but not the Void itself

Wrong replyyyyyyyy

[restive river]

Unfortunately our revive power doesn’t seem related
I say unfortunately cause I’m not a fan of the narrative decision lol

[mental herald]

Oooh that's why I hear lotus talk about a neural centry trying to purge me out

[ocean geyser]

Yeah

[restive river]

To our void powers I mean

[mental herald]

What is it like a mental thing or like a helmith thing

[restive river]

Have you done the Old Peace

[ocean geyser]

Neither
Its a machine

[mental herald]

Like is it an actual device

[ocean geyser]

Unless you mean the revive

[mental herald]

Iam talking about the neural sentry

[ocean geyser]

Oh

[restive river]

Oh
Yeah thats orokin tech

[ocean geyser]

Then yeah it’s a machine

[mental herald]

I was joking about the recieve thing

Revive

[restive river]

Helminth is specifically relating to the frames

[ocean geyser]

Those golden masks you see on enemies are what actually does the controlling

[strange plinth]

don't know if we ever see the neural sentry, but we see the masks

[mental herald]

I guess neural sentry could also have some infestation into it so it can influence people?

[restive river]

Eh

[ocean geyser]

Doubtful

[restive river]

Probably not yeah

[mental herald]

So it's just like that narmer masksb

[restive river]

Yeah that’s probably closer tbh

[ocean geyser]

Consider it a more brutal narmer veil

[strange plinth]

the narmer veils and corrupted masks are similar, yea

[ocean geyser]

Because im pretty sure the corrupted are dead

[restive river]

The Narmer masks are weird though, they maybe use temple kuva???

[mental herald]

Frost prime's face looks like he has that thing on ( I don't have one, I just saw others using him)

[restive river]

Albrecht has a very similar mask to it too
It’s also just in the symbol of the empire

[strange plinth]

albrecht's mask is also similar to the neural sentry masks, for some reason

[restive river]

Grey were you there for when a bunch of us talked about that lol

[ocean geyser]

What better way to signify that you’re Orokin by wearing an Orokin shaped mask on your head?

[restive river]

I literally looked at the specific details of every version of those masks

[strange plinth]

i think so? was either lurking at the time or looked through it later

[mental herald]

And yes I did the old peace it was peak and i thought the orokin was some reptilian race because of that huge ballas hologram ( i thought he was actually ballas and not a hologram, like he could get that huge lmao)

[restive river]

LOL
Nah the Orokin are just humans

[ocean geyser]

At the very least the sentry has some void related abilities though
Considering it spreads the ability to corrupt people through fissures and storms

[restive river]

Specifically a class of people who thought themselves better than everyone else, had the best tech and achieved a form of immortality through constant murder (typically of children)

Think of them like billionaire tyrants with egos bigger than the system they inhabit

[mental herald]

I don't get how ballas supposedly survived thousands of years after the fall with none of that blood thing they do

[restive river]

Notably Xaku’s corruption has a similar visual effect!
So I think you’re right about that

[strange plinth]

teshin did the same, somehow

[restive river]

Probably cryosleep

[ocean geyser]

To be fair most people in this game live a ridiculously long time

[restive river]

Def not cryosleep, somehow

Darvo is 105 and looks amazing for his age

And iirc his dad is still alive too

[strange plinth]

ah yea ballas could probably find cryosleep or some other stasis
teshin is just built different ig

[mental herald]

And then ther are the grineer

[ocean geyser]

Then again they are corpus

[restive river]

He is a Dax!

[hazy prism]

Yup, mr Frohd Behk

[restive river]

Mr Ambulus iirc

[mental herald]

When do you go into his lore? I only did the clem mission

[ocean geyser]

Yeah they’re essentially really tough ants
Short lived, but pretty damn strong

[mental herald]

Ke clem

TENNEOO ATAAAAA

[restive river]

It’s either a specific mission or one of the side missions, idr
Might have been an operation?

[strange plinth]

Frohd Bek exists in like 2 quests and the ambulas assassination
i think he was more prevalent in some events that no longer exist?

[restive river]

A lot of old lore is from operations that are long gone

Thankfully they have been archived!

[hazy prism]

Alot of old lore was in limited time events ir alerts, this is one such piece of lore back in 2014

[mental herald]

I got into this game last October so. I missed out on a lot of the stuff

[restive river]

Bout what
12 years of stuff?

[strange plinth]

tis a natural consequence of limited time events
we've been hoping some of the old operations n such could get added as quests n whatnot

[restive river]

I hope you’re enjoying the game, it has a lot to offer

[mental herald]

I regret not getting into it earlier ngl.i thought it was one of those ptw ftp games and it turned out to be the opposite. 700 hours in already lol

[restive river]

Yeah lmao
Warframe is one of the few that do it right

[mental herald]

Iam enjoying it a lot. It's been my best stress relief after work. I guess my only issue sometimes is the rng.i still don't have nokko chassis and whenever I'm free and I go to nightcap to check if the steelpath has its rotation, it doesn't . I've ran the normal ones before and never got any nokko parts to drop that way so I am trying to stick to steelpath. But yeah I just need to get lucky

[restive river]

Good thing we have that pity system!
Best of luck to you, Nokko is absurdly good lol

Just a fungi

[mental herald]

Nightcap is a scammer with his pity system. He buys mushrooms from you for 1 fragolyte each, but if you wanna buy from him you gotta give 10 fragolyte. And he constantly talks about so many muckers it makes me insane hahahaha

[restive river]

LMAO

He’s just a silly guy who hangs around mushrooms probably way too much

(With a good reason)

[restive river]

LMAO

[hazy prism]

I will not stand this Nightcap Slander

[restive river]

I mean it is kinda accurate

Bro is muckin about with drugs in the vents

It is for a good cause!

[mental herald]

I can go out, but I don't wanna

You're not gonna tell corporate I'm down here are you

[hazy prism]

At least Nokkos grind gets you a bunch of other stuff as well.
Citrine's grind is so bad most people consider grinding the plat to buy her from the market as the better option

[mental herald]

Is he even real or just an embodiment of the shroom spirit

[restive river]

I love that he doesn’t know what a tree is but sells you trees
Meaning he doesn’t even know he’s selling trees

[strange plinth]

good question.

[hazy prism]

He might've died, and got brought back by the fungus

[restive river]

Like Nokko(?)

[hazy prism]

Yeah

[mental herald]

Oh yeah you bet iam gonna buy Citrtine with the plat I did her grind for a while and went insane

[restive river]

Nokko’s weird
I blame Sumo

[mental herald]

Yeah you don't see his face like the other members

[hazy prism]

You do, at max rank

[mental herald]

No way

[hazy prism]

Wait was it max rank or prince rank?

[mental herald]

Aw man i thought it was some schrroms controlling a body

[strange plinth]

rank 5 for nightcap will reveal it, not just rank 5 solaris

like uhh chipper

[mental herald]

When do we get a nef anyo assassination?

I hope they make one with him having a role in it

[hazy prism]

Fun fact, the Sergeant Corpus boss used to be Sergeant Nef Anyo

The name was reused for Nef Anyo later, but they were never the same character

[mental herald]

Yeah i watched a video about ld bosses and it had nef anyo in it. That was so odd

It would have been nice if it was put into the lore like this sergeant cheated death and became this snake oil void prophet nef anyo

[ashen pulsar]

what evidence do we have that nokko died and got revived?

is that what you were saying?

[strange plinth]

Nightcap: "Well look at you, Nokko. You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab. Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits."
closest thing i can think of

[mental herald]

Roots and fruits man

[ashen pulsar]

this doesn’t mean anything.

[mental herald]

Bro is like lavos then

[ashen pulsar]

I believe I’ve said it before, but this could easily mean that nokko was a warframe that got shroomed.

which is the most likely occurrence tbh

[restive river]

I believe there was something else but I don’t recall the specifics

Nor can I check cause the wiki doesn’t work on my phone >:(
and the archives doesn’t have the deepmine stuff yet iirc

[ashen pulsar]

@ me if you find it

i’m still doubtful

[restive river]

It may be a while

I may be mistaken too, very probable
I just recall there being some conflict about Nokko’s origins

[ocean geyser]

To be fair Nef’s such a moron that keeping him in power would probably be better than killing him and let some goober take his place
Unless he gets “assassinated” and survives, like Alad V
Twice

How the hell do we nuke salad twice and he’s still kicking

Provided he didn’t die during New War

[strange plinth]

he didn't

confirmed in a recent interview thing, he's still around

[hazy prism]

My big issue with Nef is how cruel he is, but I guess Tenno aren't arbiters of justice, more just the balance of the entire system, and a cruel idiot board member is preferable to a competent board member

[hazy prism]

Are we sure Alad didn't get spliced with an infested cockroach or something

[strange plinth]

sure seems like it

he's the only character other than the tenno to have plot armor

[lilac aspen]

Well he WAS part of the infested for that one death

I always imagine his first death isn’t actually a death
His long winded screams of terror and pain simply made us feel too bad to kill the poor guy

[north jolt]

This implies a species of fungi with the capability to revive or even replicate a whole ahh warframe