lore-discussion

[opaque zenith]

Casual coma arc lore drop

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-kitty-small-pet-silly-alone-lonely-gif-4734322154604199486

[north jolt]

I wonder what Orokin (elite) food was like

[restive river]

Magic is only magic if you don’t understand that its science
But God is only a God if you don’t understand it is not

[tall echo]

Don't think drifter would tell him about that

[fast dew]

Theres literal crusts in the backrooms, which was there when we moved in

[west oasis]

Does the ant know the difference between a child's foot and an adult's foot like when it is crushed?

[strong viper]

Real

[strange turtle]

Stress eating

[north jolt]

Also DE, since Orokin can refer to literally anyone that lived in the empire regardless of actual role or status can we PLEAZE come up with a distinct term for people like Ballas or Roathe?

[analog swan]

That....would be good info to know 🤔 in case we need to poison some surviving orokin

[fast dew]

Theres worse ive done or been through

I got over my fear of bloodtests by pretending its Albrecht doing it

[strong viper]

They dont even see past the shoe dude

[fast dew]

I also bit a nurse when I was 10

[tall echo]

Orokin
Orokin citizen

[restive river]

Trash

[north jolt]

too vague

[loud oriole]

we need to petition for DE to give Kavats the same treatment as Kubrows, i need Kavatlings running around my orbiter/backroom

[fast dew]

Muckin fair enough 😭

[restive river]

I need sentinel lore

[tall echo]

More specific is unnecessary

[restive river]

Sentient puppies pls

[strong viper]

Its not fun. I know how arthur feels typing on the keyboard now

[west oasis]

If you understand it know its scale and that surpasses everything that came before wouldn't a new classification be needed to fit your understanding?

[north jolt]

You are unnecessary /jkg

[fast dew]

I know how Albrecht felt in the m e m b r a n e. Comas are weird.

[restive river]

That still would not make it a god

[opaque zenith]

Casual old man fetish lore drop?

[pale cedar]

Doesn’t matter because what Roathe is doing is giving you the answer you consistently ignore

[strong viper]

I did dmt once. So i guess i can say i been to duviri

Lmao

[pale cedar]

Roathe is literally DE giving you the answer for the 4th time

[west oasis]

What makes a God then? Miracles or presence?

[restive river]

Roathe exists to shut down, make aware of and present new theories.

[fast dew]

Nah thats more for women. Men gotta be around the same age as me smh

[analog swan]

Roathe is as believable as Ea Nassir selling quality Copper

[fast dew]

God is an arbitrary term

[strong viper]

Older women and younger men. Based ♡

[tall echo]

My body just stopped breathing once... it's fun trying to call for help when you can't breathe

[restive river]

This implies gods even exist at all, it’s like calling science magic cause you don’t understand it yet.

[strong viper]

Ikr!!!

[fast dew]

I much prefer when games use terms that are their own

[strong viper]

And a germanic one xD

[tall echo]

On the positive side, I beat pokemon y within the 3 days I was in the hospital afterwards

[strong viper]

Tech* but ye

[pale cedar]

Wally was never called a god so stop assuming he is a god because you don’t understand what Wally is

[west oasis]

Yes, yes the term God can be used especially for stuff like this

[ocean geyser]

Hospital speedrun goes crazy

[tall echo]

[fast dew]

Like for example, Doom im sorry, and with the term Primevals. They're not gods, They're primevals

[strong viper]

Closer to titans in that sense

[restive river]

Yeah just replace science with tech and it works too
A caveman would call quantum physics magic, doesn’t mean that’s what it is

[west oasis]

Hell the fact that our beliefs power it makes it even more fitting for the term

[strong viper]

Science develops tech but the tech makes the "magic". Hence magicians

[restive river]

Yeah so maybe don’t perceive it as a god???

[pale cedar]

Almost nobody even knows Wally exists

[analog swan]

If it was an actual god, it would be unbeatable 🤷‍♂️

[restive river]

Drifter is the only one that calls him a god and they’re wrong

[tall echo]

Wally is an eldritch horror

[ocean geyser]

You can’t really call Wally a god when he doesn’t even control the entirety of the Void

Just parts of it

[restive river]

How is a god beaten by getting a papercut lol

[ocean geyser]

He had to send a poisoned shirtless woman into Duviri just to try to take control of it

[west oasis]

Oh wow an entity the humans don't know exist has Dominion over parts of realm that is mysterious and can perform strange actions that can be seen as miracles

[restive river]

And even then he only gained control due to the throne!

[fast dew]

Mm, I guess? Id need to know more but yk

[tall echo]

Wally is trying to be like his role model dagoth ur and he is failing horribly

[restive river]

Oh i guess Thrax is a god now

[west oasis]

I'm not saying the indifference is a God I'm saying it's pretty damn close to one that the term basically doesn't matter

[strong viper]

They represent the primeval forcez of nature and all dat jazz

[pale cedar]

Oh no it’s Drifter is a god because time powers again

[fast dew]

Dagoth...? Like.

Davoth........

[restive river]

But it does if how we perceive it influences it

[fast dew]

Ohh.

No, nowhere close.

[tall echo]

I made the same joke in reverse

[north jolt]

Im sure if I actually knew anything about Greek and Roman mythology those gods were probably beatend by just as dumb things

Like Zeuz being defeated by child support payments

[fast dew]

:33

[strong viper]

Just saying the name was a nod. They arent even natural in that sense

[strange turtle]

Dagoth...? Like.

Dagath........

[fast dew]

Tldr they're rulers over one timeline individually, multiple ones existing in one timeline is bad.

[restive river]

Probably
They had the best gods cause they were just flawed characters essentially lol

[west oasis]

Could its shape be any more bent as it is already?

[strange turtle]

Ares got stuffed in a bronze jar

[restive river]

Maybe! Conceptual embodiment go brrrrrrr

[west oasis]

And assault charges

[strong viper]

Child support is canonically what got uranos and chronos. Zeus actually pays it xD

Hence the philandering

[pale cedar]

Wally doesn’t see himself as a god call himself a god act like a god never even says he wants to be a god

[tall echo]

Wally is in the "I am a god!" phase of "I am a god! How can you kill a god?" dies

[north jolt]

But joking aside the idea of a god being some omnipotent, nigh undefeatable being was historically mostly unique to certain monotheistic religions like the Abrahamic faiths (long as you ignore that time with the iron chariots)

[restive river]

Why does Drifter even call them that
They didn’t even have religion, they had the Orokin

[west oasis]

Is there even a God in warframe

[pale cedar]

Sol and Lua

[strange turtle]

Not as far as we know

[restive river]

Probably not an actual one

Unless you count Rebb and Steve

[tall echo]

Sol and lua

[restive river]

Omg are sol and lua rebb and steve?????

[pale cedar]

Mom and dad

[restive river]

🥺

[tall echo]

Steve and rebb and rebb and steve

[analog swan]

It would be amusing if it turned out Albrecht went even more back into the past and sol and lua were some proto frames....

[north jolt]

Also people in general kidna already treated the void like it was some sentient being or force

[west oasis]

Well people worship them they might not be actual Gods unless you count being worshipped= being a God

[north jolt]

"Praise be the void!" and all

[tall echo]

Well.

[opaque zenith]

Notewhorty that even if Wally maybe is only a part of the Void, the entirety of the Corpus (or only Nef's part I don't remember) workship all of the Void as divine, which I'd assume gives some powers to Wally by proxy conceptual embodiment

[restive river]

The Corpus worship it cause grofit????

[pale cedar]

Rebb is still the mother who called her children losers

[fast dew]

Grofit...

[north jolt]

The void giveths, and the void takeths. SO GIVE MORE CREDITS!

[restive river]

We’re her losers

[restive river]

FOR GROFIT!!!

[tall echo]

The void yeeteth and the void yoinketh

[fast dew]

The void loves and loses

Or whatever loid quotes/j

[west oasis]

Hey at least we don't have worshippers of Wally unless you count the angels singing

[north jolt]

I mean just look at how blessed by the void I am

[pale cedar]

The Void can be kind as well as cruel

[ocean geyser]

I wonder how intelligent Void Angels are

[analog swan]

Man in The wall story is a very good cautionary tale to never stick your fingers where they don't belong 🤔

[restive river]

I would be super down to see a Wally cult ngl

[fast dew]

"Tis better to have loved and lost, than to have never loved at all"

I might kill you loid

[strange turtle]

Wasn’t there a thing on Mars pre-HoD?

[tall echo]

Ah, like that man on high with the devil in his eye and a golden hand

[restive river]

Maybe? Idr

[strong viper]

Morrowind fan detected

[north jolt]

I would guess just barely sapient. Mostly hostile to all life not corrupted by the void, but fragments of memories of who they were before changing probably remain

[analog swan]

so many N'wahs and outlanders, right?

[ocean geyser]

Oh yeah
A tiny mining colony got Wally Influenced and tried to dig straight through Mars to reach Deimos

[tall echo]

Never played it but just background noise lives in my yt recommendations rent free

[strong viper]

If that was true whyd i be drinking all this kuva yall

[ocean geyser]

Kuva addiction

[restive river]

You what-

[west oasis]

When is the yellow king making an appearance in warframe

[tall echo]

loads lex with murderous intent

[pale cedar]

Why are you drinking Kuva?

[analog swan]

Can you pour Kuva on snow, then eat it like ice cream? 🤔

[restive river]

Where do you think Kuva actually comes from
It predates the void’s usefulness
So
Where did they get it???

[west oasis]

I know damn well at least some de employees have thought of it

[north jolt]

Who's to say he hasn't already

[strong viper]

Cannot pass up a chance for bars xD

[pale cedar]

Void probably started spitting it across the system

[restive river]

Why can’t we ask roache about kuva ):

[ocean geyser]

The void does that a lot, huh?

[opaque zenith]

The Orokin did one good thing by taking kuva away from you addicts (/j they did nothing right)

[restive river]

But it predates it doing or being anything

[strong viper]

Ave marika

[west oasis]

Meh Wally doesn't yellow enough

[ocean geyser]

Can someone get this thing to stop vomiting stuff over the system

[north jolt]

Because then Roathe has to admit that Wally might be real-real cause where TF else are they getting the mysterious space blood from?

[tall echo]

It can hurt you it can hold you he can kick you or console you

[west oasis]

I wanted to say feel yellow king enough but this sounded better

[restive river]

Dress yellow and he will be yellow

[ocean geyser]

Spray paint him

[tall echo]

It's king in yellow not yellow king

[pale cedar]

Well the Orokin are stupid and they probably didn’t even know it was Void yet

[strong viper]

Very true

[restive river]

The king in yellow Is Wally’s cousin
Totally

[strong viper]

King IN yellow.

[restive river]

Yeah maybe

[strong viper]

The cow dude

[analog swan]

If Wally is king in yellow, can we smooch him like in that one game...?

[dark compass]

Yes

[restive river]

That would kill him

[strong viper]

Hastor is just hathor and mitras

[tall echo]

I wonder if the xanthous king from ds1 is a reference to the king in yellow

[restive river]

[strong viper]

Yes.

[pale cedar]

No, that’d kill him too early

[strong viper]

Jeremiah was a bullfrog

[tall echo]

For clarity I mean dark souls, ducky

[strong viper]

Was a good friend of mine.

Three Dog Night is esoteric lore for the Xanthous Crown

[dark compass]

Probably. Whip wielding and pyromancy throwing weirdo

[ocean geyser]

Man
DE really needs some more lore about the Corrupted

[tall echo]

A king wearing a weird yellow hat

[dark compass]

Origin of that thing is in Demon's Souls

With an old monk that was possessed by a... Demonic yellow robe?

[strong viper]

And so I do reiterate: jeremiah was a basilisk. Was a good fiend of mine.

[dark compass]

Yeah demonic yellow robe

[strong viper]

Yaaa

[dark compass]

I know my things I have like 10k hours in souls games cumulatively

https://tenor.com/view/shaking-cat-shaking-cat-alien-cat-gif-17719290639671130907

[strong viper]

My bro and I were rolling elden ring before 1999 made us reDL WF

🙂

[tall echo]

Ahh, demon's holes... the game with famous bosses like the penetrator...

[pale cedar]

Do you think the Tenno are more Void or human?

[dark compass]

And the dirty colossus

[strong viper]

Tenno more human, frames more void

[analog swan]

yes.

[strong viper]

It all boils down to what Ezir said

Because Transference.

[dark compass]

https://youtu.be/_i4JP-NxfN8

[tall echo]

Human 2, [Bigger and better than ever!]

[dark compass]

Best videogame soundtrack of 2009

[analog swan]

Curious question, to use transference on things, those things need to be fitted with transference bolts, so...where do proto-frames have transference bolts and how did they get those? I thought Albrecht just gave serum to people

[dark compass]

I thought that warframes just come with this sort of tech

[strong viper]

Like lymph nodes

[dark compass]

Unlike a bolt that has to be installed separately for anyone else

[tall echo]

Nah

[strong viper]

A warframe isnt engineered like a hard disk its more like a bonsai tree of steel organics

[tall echo]

The bolts make it easier, they're not necessary

[fast dew]

Organs are turned vestigial and useless

[strong viper]

Yeah

[fast dew]

Replaced by superior metal

[strong viper]

Which is fire ngl

[tall echo]

Remember, silvana transferenced into a forest

[dark compass]

Albrecht is poisoning the water to give people transference bolts

[strong viper]

I do!

Hence my bonsai analogy

New loka coded but ye

[tall echo]

The infestation understands the weakness of the flesh

[fast dew]

How some mfs think Albrecht is doing 💔

[opaque zenith]

As for example, I doubt orowyrms have bolts

[fast dew]

THEY DO

[analog swan]

Yeah that is true...but that means we could transferene into everything pretty much, Ballas involved 😐

[strong viper]

And it is disgusted

[tall echo]

Sentient things can reject it

[analog swan]

True, Jade lore is enough of a proof 🤔

[strong viper]

Its a symbiotic bind not a parasitism

Consent is important

[fast dew]

From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me. I craved the strength and certainty of steel. I aspired to the purity of the blessed machine. Your kind cling to your flesh as if it will not decay and fail you. One day the crude biomass you call a temple will wither and you will beg my kind to save you. But I am already saved. For the Machine is Immortal.

Praise the Omnissiah or whatever

[tall echo]

And it provides the certainty of steel

[dark compass]

Do you all think Salad V is still a mutalist sleeper agent

[tall echo]

Nah

[dark compass]

And its just infestation that has grown fond of capitalism

[fast dew]

Time to praise the Omnissiah by using my machine to order people to get me food

[tall echo]

Technocyte realized how incompetent salad is and left

[dark compass]

Don't forget to pray

[opaque zenith]

• Step 1: Reject demon possession
• ???
• Profit (Empire's gone)

[dark compass]

They will regret it when they see how he is arguably more indestructible than Infestation itself

[tall echo]

Regor's cure didn't do anything, salad relying on us to get it made it leave

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/venom-eddie-brock-i-won't-forget-you-buddy-movie-gif-8685490990918676290

[tall echo]

The last hivemind thought he heard was "damn, what a loser"

[lean garden]

No I say hes an executor sleeper agent

[strange turtle]

It craves the strength and certainty of steel

…that is also flesh. But it has more metal stapled on so its better trust

[dark compass]

Like those weird snails with iron shells and armor

[mental carbon]

hello, question for you all,
i just got into warframe (well i played in 2013 when it came out but stopped till last week) and somehow the game skipped the first mission for me, i just finished the teacher quest and i'm kind of lost on the lore here, am i missing anything important or will everything get explained later?

[strange turtle]

Just watch a video on the games tutorial and start quest and that should have you covered for now

Actually, what quests have you done aside from Teacher?

[mental carbon]

vor's prize i finished and teacher, but that's all

[strange turtle]

Yeah you should be good with just a rewatch then

Or you could check the transcripts on Orokin Archive, if you’d prefer to read

[mental carbon]

okay thanks

[tall echo]

You didn't really miss anything

The lore only starts to pick up later

[stiff beacon]

Yea literally the next planet

[tall echo]

Mars

[stiff beacon]

Well no venus

[waxen mesa]

The first quest just introduced the concept of a warframe (space merc) and introduced vor as a minor antagonist

Ultimately you didn't miss anything later quests don't cover

[nova sequoia]

okay

need a touch of clarity, are we the only remaining tenno?

like, are there others around alive?

in addition, what about warframes outside of the ones we see that we dont use?

[normal mountain]

Good question, ngl
I don't think we know

[nova sequoia]

||lore wise they seem to be made via use of the infestation, using "volunteers" but on our end uses a bunch of what appears to be metal, neural mass, and what seems to be various crystals and minerals||

its just a touch confusing, tho maybe i havent read enough lore lmao

[strange turtle]

Yes

[twin wigeon]

I'm thinking that we are alone in the present time

[strange turtle]

Many

[velvet breach]

eternalism- yes and no

[strange turtle]

100+

[strange turtle]

no

[twin wigeon]

all frames are made of infested flesh and stuffs

[strange turtle]

The multi-person/clan Operations are canon, and a convo with Roathe confirms that there’s at least around 100

[twin wigeon]

though we're recreating the original orokin designs with help of the helminth

[twin wigeon]

dayummm

[velvet breach]

to some degree other players as tenno do exist canonically iirc but your player character is the only one significant

there are implied to be other dreamers i believe

i might be wrong im going off memory here

[pale cedar]

Weird how players constantly ask if other Tenno exist when we’ve seen others multiple times

[velvet breach]

specifically in the context of alive and in the present day?

[strange turtle]

Normally eternalism would apply (not that there aren’t others anyway) but considering some of the lines from Wally and what seems to have happened to the rest when we poofed in TNW…

[jaunty oasis]

well to be fair ||drifter says "I don't know...100"|| which is not the same as 100

[velvet breach]

||rell|| is an obvious answer but hes uh.. well…

[pale cedar]

Unless seen dead assuming they are alive is a safe assumption

[twin wigeon]

i mean people probably ask bc they're curious about the in-universe lore explanation for multiplayer activitites

[strange turtle]

Yeah shit isn’t looking good for them

[velvet breach]

can you remind me of when we’ve seen other tenno then please? having a bit of a brain fart idr /nm

[strange turtle]

The Second Dream, every time we play a multiplayer mission, the Operations, mentions in KIM, mentions in assorted random dialogues throughout the game

[pale cedar]

Rell webcomic
Rell prior to complete death
Zariman ARG
Zariman incident
Old Peace ARG

[velvet breach]

i would not count multiplayer to that degree ngl

but thats just me

[twin wigeon]

i mean baro does go on his void travels to cater to tennos

[pale cedar]

Whenever a character outside of a quest or solo mission says Tenno they’re always saying it plural rather than singular

[twin wigeon]

i guess the distinction isn't really made because no one says tennos?

tenno could be both plural and singular can't it?

[pale cedar]

They wouldn’t say Tennos because the plural word is Tenno unless saying something like the Tenno’s weapon

[silk atlas]

Tenno is singular and plural

[twin wigeon]

hence the confusion

[silk atlas]

Point is

[waxen mesa]

Late but there are 100(s) as per Drifter

They say something like "...there are a hundred of them..."

At least in star chart other players are mostly canon

They aren't walking around as umbra or jade but that volt you see is canonically helping you

There was interesting discussion awhile ago about which frames are canon to see in a party

Vs which ones are exclusive to the Operator

[ocean geyser]

It would probably be most main quest frames, right?

Depends on how many of us are allowed into like
The Sanctum

[waxen mesa]

Yeah any quest given frame was called non canon

[ocean geyser]

Cause then that would limit how many of us would realistically be able to use Dante and Qorvex

Wonder where Cyte falls on that line

[waxen mesa]

If you remind me in like 4 hours I'll try to find it

Although in theory we don't pilot any original frames besides maybe Excalibur prime

So we could share the bps with fellow tenno

[lilac aspen]

That’s probably how to explain it
It’d make sense to share warframe bps with other Tenno

[waxen mesa]

Umbra is a bit on the line though

In theory we could share the blueprints but there was more to piloting umbra then crafting him

[lilac aspen]

Clearly the umbras we see are actually the actual Umbra helping other Tenno, clearly why we don’t see him at base at all

[waxen mesa]

@ocean geyser found it

[strange turtle]

As many as it takes to handle Gargoyle’s Cry and normal Lab stuff alongside all the other stuff in the system that needs dealing with at any given point

[waxen mesa]

Wouldn't say i agree with the image but that was the discussion

[ocean geyser]

yeah
gara being X'ed out but not Garuda is unusual

[waxen mesa]

Idk why Caliban is crossed off either

Railjacks are not an operator only thing to my knowledge

So any tenno could invade sentient ships for caliban

[ocean geyser]

wouldn't other tenno be able to realistically access the Deepmines too?

maybe we oughta revamp the list

[waxen mesa]

Yeah

I also have to disagree with temple

Temple was just a shelved blueprint. Fully accessible to other tenno if we ignore the material cost

[lilac aspen]

In my mind the only frame that should be the only one is Umbra

[ocean geyser]

not to mention they get to the Night of the Naga drums with Kaya and the Drifter's help

[lilac aspen]

Everyone else is just
Inevitable sharing of the BP to other Tenno

[ocean geyser]

the Stalker watching as an army of his wife appears:

[lilac aspen]

Because why would I NOT share this BP of another warframe to help further reinforce the Tenno

[lilac aspen]

Shouldn’t of stabbed me so many times, Stalker

Would of been more merciful otherwise

[dry oracle]

Marie and Roathe randomly blocked me from KIM chat now they blocked the entrance

I feel like I'm being hated

[normal mountain]

Lol
maybe they just hate children...

[restive river]

Did you replay whispers

[drowsy saddle]

Door is stuck

[restive river]

Yeah it does that if you replay whispers

[barren jasper]

was ordan there the night of the naga drums? or was he glassed before

im pretty sure before

but I just wanted to double check bc I was doubting myself

[wind ruin]

Ordan Karris became || Cephalon Ordis during The Old War, and was assigned to the Operator as their Orbiter/Lander Cephalon for the duration of The Old War. ||

[frank condor]

i think people hate ballas so much, people would be happy if he came back just to kill him again

like a "somehow ballas returned" wouldnt look so cheap

[nova sequoia]

If we keep getting more shounnen-esque writing in warframe, i hope the operator and drifter double team the next bad guy like, yuji and nanami did in JJK

https://tenor.com/view/gumworldz-gif-22028526

like, if its ballas again, sure, but if there are gonna be other antagonists, i do hope we get some type of tag team tier fisticuffs

maybe wall boy

[restive river]

Nah that’d be cheap
It’d be better to have any other Orokin reveal themselves

Nitokh comes to mind
Apparently she was muuuch worse

[frank condor]

i like that idea too

[restive river]

Thing is I do wonder how they’d go about it, Ballas is terrible but even more so due to him being ingrained into our story

[lean garden]

-# Salad V as Scarne

[restive river]

Scarne continuities into Alad or are you implying Alad could be Scarne

[lean garden]

latter

[restive river]

I doubt that

[lean garden]

I dont RAAAAAAH

[restive river]

He was one of the seven, why would he cut into a frame to see how they work?

[lean garden]

Pretense

He just likes cutting into warframes

[restive river]

:p

[lean garden]

never liked ballas's warframe project

[restive river]

The line about him being an Orokin is just grandpa being racist

[lean garden]

pretends to not know about the children

[lean garden]

or is it

[restive river]

No he’s
Just racist lol

Bau you have some amazing theories
Idk if this one is it bud

[lean garden]

but thats only because we know the person of salad V isnt the orokin hunhow calls him as

but what if we're wrong about that

what if grandpa wasnt racist

[drowsy saddle]

Hunhow was just using it as a slur

[restive river]

Or Hunhow lumped all of humanity together which we know the sentients attacked civilians soooo

I just find it hard to believe he could be Scarne
If he survived he prob hid away in the void

[lean garden]

that's what we keep saying, but its based on the very case we're talking about

its like using a case law to deny an appeal for the case law itself

[restive river]

If scarne is salad I’ll buy you one (1) xenoflora decor

[lean garden]

Bet

can I get one if its tormis instead

[fast dew]

Tormis...

Id rather be Nihil

[drowsy saddle]

What if scarne tried to kuva into salad but salad's supernatural ability to evade death allowed him to overpower scarne

[restive river]

No

[drowsy saddle]

I want the seven to return to specifically mount their heads stalker style on my ship

[fast dew]

Nihil... whao...

[nova sequoia]

y'know, old peace really was just the most justified crashout in the story atm

i dont think there is a more justified action to be real

the operator really just let the demons take the wheel for a bit

[drowsy saddle]

Probably why uriel even let us take the wheel

[nova sequoia]

man in the wall really went "aren't you tired of being nice? Don't you just want to go apeshit?" and the operator immediately agreed lmao

[cunning tapir]

Sometimes, you just want to rip off an Orokin's arm off and beat him to death with it while repeatedly asking him why he's hitting himself. =w=

And that's what Wally was playing to.

[wise quiver]

So, with the ascarius prime being a thing, of which we know can hijack...prime warframes, how long before we see that tech come to the current era?

[strange plinth]

Vor uses a standard ascaris on you at the start of the game
the difference between regular and prime isn't known. faster acting or more control or what
but it kinda already exists

[drowsy saddle]

Can it even be manufactured

Like, the only source is us scrounging our memories and i think conceptual embodiment-ing them into existence for crafting

[wise quiver]

Right but how new is that tech, is it a prototype recreation of the old prime, how rare/difficult is it for them to make, and as you said...does it even allow for the control of a warframe, or just the pacification of it?

[silk atlas]

The point of Orokin tech in the story is the ability to reproduce it is lost, and the Ascaris Prime is shown to be used for forcible control of a frame that's not healthy in the slightest

[blissful merlin]

Those poor operators…

[waxen mesa]

maybe they were rich operators you dont know

[high bay]

How big is a standard squad of Grineer?

[proper barn]

Good question.

[drowsy saddle]

5-10?

How many can you shove into a Bolkor?

[hazy prism]

Based on irl military composition, could be anywhere from 4 - 12, probably on the higher end of 12, since grineer probably don't have problems with recruitment, it's be lower if a ship ir outpost was recently visited by the Tenno

[high bay]

Hmmm,,, I want to ask a crossover power scaling question but idk if the mods would see it as above board given one of the sides of the question is from another game

[wind ruin]

Based on what we see in game? A max of 8.

[blissful merlin]

I just love how Amir reacts to transference lol.
“Whenever you do that, I taste the color yellow just so ya know…”
Or “AH SHI- where’d you come from? Oh that’s right. Me…”

One of my fav ones: “BLURGH BLEH BLAH, that never stops feeling weird please do it again”

The best one of all time, especially for any kind of mission where I have to transfer out for a sec and he just says “I’m bored. So bored…bored. Boreddddd. Bored. Just BOREDDDDDD” and he will non stop say he’s bored until the line ends even if you transfer to the normal volt skin it’s quite funny

[swift gyro]

How many times did drifter got killed in duviri?

[blissful merlin]

A billion…idk lol

They lived through many, many spirals and moments before the story of duviri that we get to play takes place

[strange plinth]

lots
dunno if an exact number is given anywhere, but daily executions for a very long time will tally up

at least a thousand deaths, according to a lettie chat

[restive river]

At least 687 just to learn how to ride a Kaithe

Funny how they perfectly remember some things and other things are still misty iirc

[slim mantle]

Not that new because corpus uses ascaris for their robotics according to darvo

So its definitely old tech but its definitely been researched enough for it to be massed produced for grinner and corpus

[strange plinth]

"I recognize that device; it's a parasitic restrain. We Corpus use something similar to keep our robotics in line."

[slim mantle]

My bad chat

[strange plinth]

not sure if that line is still used, either, as it looks like the section that it played during was removed when The Teacher was added

[slim mantle]

I only remembered that part vaguely

But I hope we do get into whatever ascaris-like tech corpus has

[strange turtle]

I’d assume its just a generic sci fi “restraint bolt” for keeping AI in check

Especially given the era of WF its from

[fast dew]

Id say trauma but outside the Zariman and until they grew up, there isn't much at all that would cause that amnesia imo. Weird drifter never really mentions knowing Albrecht in duviri

That is kinda important to know, yk?

[strange turtle]

They forgot it

“Don’t tell me you’ve forgotten? Blah blah Albrecht and Drifter were close” - Nelly

And then with the Triad we get a line talking about “Man I hope he wasn’t there when the executions happened and just left me there”

A bunch of other lines and options but thats the bit I remember

So they know he was there but not much else

[fast dew]

I wouldn't think so? I mean, i dont think Albrecht's notes mention how old the drifter was, but he never mentions the executions when talking to thrax, along with thrax saying they were taught together, so I assume it was like. A schooling situation

[strange turtle]

Marie Rank 3 Convo 1

[thorny stone]

yes i do want to be excessively violent to the orokin sometimes

[restive river]

Omg if he was
I don’t like what that says about him in the past, or now potentially

[lone dock]

random thought
what happens if someone throws a Nonono shroom into a pan, cook it, and eat it?

[restive river]

Depends on if the shrooms are of the void or were altered by void radiation probably
Ultimately we don’t know but historically weird mushrooms is a. Bad idea.

[dark compass]

Instead of a bullet attractor you get a bowel attractor

In layman's terms we call it constipation

[restive river]

I could see it resulting in whatever effect you’re most worried about it causing, maybe

I like to think some of the food Drifter ate was just what they thought it would taste like
Like alcohol for example

[lone dock]

my operator eating it
now instead fo the transference chair he is found in the bathroom

...does the orbiter have a bathroom?

[dark compass]

No, you use the Helminth

You should never ask a scifi writer about 3 things

Dates

Speeds

And bathrooms

[lone dock]

bruh the operator just squatting over Gary after eating a bunch of Nononos

[proper barn]

The operator doesn't need to eat.

I don't think. They are like "pure void." Basically. Well not pure but you know.

[lone dock]

considering drifter still eats in 1999
im assuming while they dont need to, they still do so since well
it feels right

[dark compass]

You just go void mode and it all falls on the floor

[proper barn]

That's not.

[dark compass]

[opaque zenith]

Doesn't the food still need to "get out"? Or does the void absorve the food and... that's how argons are made...

[restive river]

We know they’re human

[proper barn]

Fair.

[restive river]

Void mode is just the tenno the tenno changing their state of matter iirc, we can take clothes with us so we take any food we eat too

Whether or not we have to eat? Unknown, but it probably makes us feel more normal and it’s just nice
The Drifter eating in 1999 makes sense too since they haven’t had their piece of Wally for as long, not eating might just feel weird
Though I’m sure they went many days without eating in Duviri cause things just began again

[fast dew]

I don't think he was there for it tbh. Would Albrecht be the guy to manage to keep Thrax and drifter in the same room w out Thrax at least attempting to get drifter's ass😭

[ocean geyser]

So like
Does Roathe like Marie or something

[fast dew]

No, he's just an orokin.

They're degenerates.

[ocean geyser]

Fair

[fast dew]

Overindulgence and whatnot

[tacit carbon]

There's some chatter about the fact his responses to you dating the other 2 do vary in...intensity. I think he has a wee thing for her but isn't too fussed about it

[narrow pendant]

DE when asked why they design heirloom the way the are

[west oasis]

Are the KIM chats bugged rn? It's not keep track of the Roathe deal anymore

[restive river]

Yes they’re bugged
If you plan on resetting wait til a fix is out

[restive river]

I mean Thrax may just not have done anything on the behest of Albrecht
But if it was early enough that Drifter hadn’t grown up and wanted to escape then that would place Albrecht’s time in Duviri fairly early on into it’s existence

[dark compass]

Even if Albrecht was here for it

Things reset

Kid will be fine

He is clearly ok with letting all possible suffering go through if the loop ensures no losses are endured

[fast dew]

Theres also the weird thing where everyone but the drifter and Albrecht it seems, doesn't forget when the loop starts

[ocean geyser]

Wonder who put the m on garuda’s forehead

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/babidi-dragon-ball-gif-11591104228073020682

He did

[ocean geyser]

Oh man

On another note
It’s funny how once you manage to date one of the others in the Triad
Aside from being annoying, Roathe makes sure to explain he’ll beat your ass if you wrong them

[dark compass]

im glad Lettie is always consistent with her birthday presents for Kaya

[hazy prism]

Roathe is such a tsundere

[strange turtle]

I mean no, the two sets of loop aren’t the same

The people in 1999s loop only get to keep the memories of that future if Drifter lets them, which from how its described seems to be only viable for the protos

As one of the people that can control the Duviri resets Drifter remembers it, and even besides that the others, or at least the Courtesans, seem to remember

[dark compass]

okay fair

[strange turtle]

Well not _all_of it considering all the repeating stuff, but theres a bunch of lines that dont match otherwise

[dry oracle]

no I just went to sanctum to buy stuff

If I reset the devil triad do I lose my romance with lyon?

[pale cedar]

Yes, as you do with Hex when you do it to them

[dry oracle]

https://tenor.com/view/please7tv-please-beg-pray-hope-gif-3860103425950934673

I'm staying with lyon screw Marie and Roathe

[tall echo]

good

[violet storm]

Ah, the predicament

[strange turtle]

Cant you use the fast travel thing to get there?

[violet storm]

The hell have you done

[dry oracle]

I can't

[violet storm]

WHAT DID YOU DO?

[dry oracle]

Nothing

[strange turtle]

Replayed Whispers

[violet storm]

Huh

[dry oracle]

I didn't replay the quest

[strange turtle]

Ah, misread a message further up

Have you replayed any other quests?

[dry oracle]

Nope

I may have refused to talk to Marie (ending the conversation)
And did one Roathe boss fight

[thorny stone]

honestly, i prefer the hex over marie, roathe and them guys

[gentle isle]

The best part about being in a time loop is you can just reuse birthday gifts and it wouldn't be weird at all

https://tenor.com/view/big-brain-gif-27108854

[dark compass]

"Finally found a use for all those gas cans you keep buying me."

[vast willow]

Has the Void War Arc ended? Because it was kinda confusing...

[strange turtle]

No

[vast willow]

Okay, good

[strange turtle]

How was it confusing?

[vast willow]

Haven't played in a while and I forget why, but once I refresh my brain and reinstall Warframe I'll probably know.

One of them was why the Lotus had a flip phone, though.

And why was it called?

[pale cedar]

Pager

[wind ruin]

Yeah, that was a pager. Fairly advanced, it had text capability.

[gentle isle]

It was called a Kinepager or something right

[coral needle]

Arthur's kinepage?

[gentle isle]

Ye

[vast willow]

Who was she talking to? Why did she have it?

And why the heck does Lotus have an ancient flip phone from, I dunno, 5 bajillion years ago?

[wind ruin]

She doesn't. It was left behind by Albrecht.

[loud oriole]

-# wally was calling and she was lured by the song he sung

[wind ruin]

|| Go to the lab. Go out behind the statues. It's still there. ||

[loud oriole]

yep, and ||its still ring-a-linging||

[ashen pulsar]

I heard it but idk where it is

[waxen mesa]

why are there two orowryms in the citrine void tunnel

[strange plinth]

same place it was before she picked it up

[waxen mesa]

The whole deal with Duviri is one of the emotions rule over, so there should only be one spiral produced orowyrm at a time no? 🤔

[loud oriole]

its very very small and directly on the ground, easy to miss

[strange plinth]

they're just.. around
you can find them when going between rj missions as well
they were teasers for duviri before its release
but i've no idea why they're outside of duviri. they're just the basic orokin white and gold, so they're not tied to the courtiers

[pale cedar]

Multiple Orowyrms can show up in one place

You literally see this in the quest

[ashen pulsar]

she just dropped it?

[ashen pulsar]

they can escape the void ig

if albrecht can get there, flying creatures that can fly through portals can prolly leave

[pale cedar]

They can go anywhere where there is Void

[strange turtle]

IIRC the pagers there from the moment you complete Whispers so they just reverted the area to the pre-Lotus Eaters state

[pale cedar]

Nah they reverted and changed the landscape a little

[strange turtle]

Wasn’t the only change to the skybox?

[pale cedar]

Nah the landscape as a whole changed a bit

[restive river]

There’s one in railjack relic missions
Those 3 orowyrms don’t match the courtiers
They likely one exist to tease Duviri
It’s Thrax who rules, his emotions effecting the courtiers iirc

[restive river]

It’s def not the exact same cause the triad stairs and portal, the vitruvian being changed to the “guilt imagery”(?) and ofc the hallway leading to the refractory

[waxen mesa]

even if it's Thrax who rules. Tales of Duviri was about a mad king who changes his emotions every day

implying one ruling emotion

[restive river]

That’s
Thrax

[waxen mesa]

yes

you focused on the entirely wrong part of that message

[restive river]

It was a story about your emotions ruling you and how that’s a bad thing in the void

[strange turtle]

I meant the specific area where Pager/Lotus is

[restive river]

We have the adult version of the story at the archarbor fyi

[strange turtle]

Like. They only changed one thing. So they went back to the original instance, which already had the pager in that area, and then added Triad stuff

[restive river]

Mom set down the pager and stopped singing cause it’s trauma therapy time

[strange turtle]

Instead of going through the effort removing Lotus and her associated stuff from the current instance and then making the changes to that

[restive river]

It will be interesting to see what changes stay and what do not with the echoes update

Since we do know the refractory will be accessible from
The refractory

[waxen mesa]

push loid into the pool

[vast willow]

Haven't played Warframe in a long time, let me refresh my memory.

So Duviri is a emotional story land based off of a children's book and it was created by an alternate universe version of the traumatized preteen, i.e, the Drifter

And that was because of weird alternate universe shenanigans

How did that work, anyway?

[silk atlas]

Conceptual Embodiment

[strange plinth]

operator and drifter split at the deal with the man in the wall, drifter got hit by semantics
"I can save them, all of them"
"all of [the children]" was operator's deal, all of [the other children]" was drifter's
zariman tablet in duviri:

29. You wouldn't welch on a deal, would you?
    A. *CORRUPT FILE DETECTED*
    B. I saved them. All of them. Never said I'd save you. (correct)

[vast willow]

Yeah, but...

There just happened to be alternate universes

[silk atlas]

Yeah

That's just how it works. They just aren't accessible 99% of the time and the only reason they're relevant is because of the Void.

[restive river]

Might help that our timeline was split outside of spacetime

[strange turtle]

Technically?

The Drifters accessible because their split happened on the Zariman, which has it’s whole intersect thing going on, since because they were left on the Zariman while it was in the Void they got to make Duviri, which is connected to the Zariman, which then popped back out, giving Drifter access

[tall echo]

So far inaccessible 100% of the time unless we count eleanor's thought-expedition :)

[pale cedar]

Baro

3 times

[restive river]

When did Baro himself access it

[tall echo]

Baro never accessed alternate realities

[pale cedar]

He killed alt Baro

Inadvertently

[tall echo]

Still didn't access their realities

[restive river]

Yeah that’s not him accessing it

That’s Wally collapsing all Baros into one

It’s like saying we accessed it when it was Wally who split us

[chrome frost]

soooo we might have atleast 3 still living executors (due to 2 of them seemingly having no lore)

[strange plinth]

possibly, yea
avantus, karishh, tuvul, and ballas are 100% dead
scarne, tormis, and nitokh are unknown, with a decent amount of buildup towards nitokh still being around

[dark compass]

I think we should approach it with "dead until proven otherwise"

[strange plinth]

but that ^ 100%

[loud oriole]

yeah, with the night of naga drums being a complete slaughter its best assume all executors are very very dead

[errant niche]

lol ballas being the shortest

[loud oriole]

maybe that's why his orokin arm looks so odd on him lol

[errant niche]

true

[strange plinth]

this lineup might be more to-scale?
unsure. both images are just renders of the statues

[dark compass]

This one definitely seems properly scaled

Unlike the other one

[strange plinth]

karishh is def farther away or scaled down in the other

[dark compass]

But also those statues might not reflect actual height

[strange plinth]

mhm

[dark compass]

Scarne too

Because of the staff

[errant niche]

where are those images from?

[dark compass]

Tauron academy has statues of all those orokin

It would've been pure speculation but...

Turns out all those statue models are named in the game files.

So we can see which one is which of the executors

[errant niche]

that's cool. the only statues i kept seeing was of ballas

i cant wait until we can replay old peace

they said on the devshort today that they're prioritizing making old peace replayable

[strange plinth]

only four of them are actually visible in tauron academy afaik
hm. wonder if those are the four that voted for peace originally. don't remember which four so

[errant niche]

once everyone gets back from holiday break

[strange plinth]

yea, old peace replayable is high on the priority list for echoes

[errant niche]

the big guy looks evil so ima guess not him x)

[dark compass]

Maybe they'll make use of the rest in echoes

[mental herald]

How did ballas become so gargantuan in that old peace cutscene

[strange plinth]

if nitokh is displayed there or ballas or scarne isn't, then that theory falls apart

[strange plinth]

the hologram?

[dark compass]

It's been a while

[mental herald]

Lmao it was a hologram. I thought the orokin had some technology which made them gargantuan because of how long their hands are

[silk atlas]

You see what Ballas in person looks like in multiple quests lol

[mental herald]

Yeah his freaky hands

[dark compass]

...

I understand everything now

[dark compass]

Operator was probably resisting biting the fingers off in that old peace scene

[strange plinth]

nitokh is there, unfortunately

[dark compass]

If they tried, they would've heard

"looks familiar, doesn't it, kiddo?"

[normal mountain]

Shouldn't that have been only three?
Wasn't the vote tied, with Ballas to cast the deciding vote?

[restive river]

Ballas, Scarne
Uh.
I wanna say Avantus and maybe Tuvul??
Karrish, Tormis and ofc Nitokh don’t seem the type to me

I do wonder if Tormis pissed off the sentients since he visited them, came back, then they sent more people and then the sentients “opened fire”

[restive river]

Ballas would be the fourth vote

[normal mountain]

So he had his statue built before he voted
classy

[restive river]

Nihil’s in the weave and technically a cephalon there

[restive river]

That’s if the statues correlate to who voted on peace

[normal mountain]

I'll confess the possibility that it's those who didn't vote for war

[strange plinth]

i could see tuvul on either side, same with karishh

[normal mountain]

Just a general "honoring the leaders"
"but those guys who still wanted to fight, oh, screw them"

[restive river]

Maybe Karrish was for peace on the promise of new food?

I wonder if the sentients reinvented pizza…

[ocean geyser]

Everything i hear about Albrecht meeting Wally involves the Wall of Lohk cutting his fingers off

Yet
He is only missing one finger

Did he like
Get some back somehow

[strange plinth]

possibly

[ocean geyser]

So that one finger is hidden really damn well

[strange plinth]

or one was cut, yet multiple landed
or "digits" is used for "fingerbones", as wally references his fingerbones specifically a few times

[strange plinth]

mhm, only albrecht knows where it is, seemingly, which is why wally is chasing him

[ocean geyser]

That’s
Brutal but accurate considering it’s the Orokin

They probably chopped up his finger

[loud oriole]

chopped up and tossed into the void-power-the-galaxy soup

[frigid sedge]

Void is soup confirmed

[dark compass]

Finger is on tau, trust

[loud oriole]

i ate the finger

[restive river]

*system
not galaxy

Warframe does not take place on a galactic level.

[loud oriole]

ah my bad lol, got too lost in the moment and overlooked it

[swift gyro]

is there many humans alive or rare to find one? like, fully human, not like ppl in fortuna.

[strange plinth]

cetus, the myconians, most corpus
we don't see many because we avoid them, to not draw attention to them from the other factions

[mystic lynx]

Cetus, almost everyone in relay, maroo

[brittle siren]

Tbh, idk if anyone is living in the Maroo. I mean, there are only 2 ppl in there.

[restive river]

Varzia
They’re roommates ;)

But yes there are many “fully human” humans

Unseen civilians
The many people you find in relays
The Cetus people
Myconians

Kinda reductive I’d say to say the people of Fortuna or the Grineer, the Tenno themselves or even the Orokin aren’t fully human
Augmented or lab grown they’re still human

[brittle siren]

I really want to see Corpus City or sth

Strange that Corpus is not in the vicinity of Earth, prob due to the Grineer taking over most of the planet

[restive river]

Corposium when 😭

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/cyber-punk-gif-26592663

[restive river]

I wanna bullet jump around this

[loud oriole]

i feel like a corpus mega city would be almost cookie cutter to a Corporate fueled city

[brittle siren]

Ig we will see Sentient Tau city before Corpus’

[mystic lynx]

Maroo the woman thief not Maroo's Bazaar

[brittle siren]

Ah yeah

But Dax is kinda normal human too right?

[loud oriole]

id even be happy if we got a glimpse of an Orokin city that isn't in ruin

[mystic lynx]

Aren't Dax like special kuva human

Not entirely normal

[strange plinth]

they're augmented, but still human

[elfin tiger]

The Dex are basically genetically enhanced humans

And they were more so conditioned to not kill the orokin

[loud oriole]

super soldiers but not like the super-duper specialty soldiers the Warframe's are

[strange plinth]

the kuva in the scepter could control teshin directly, not so much conditioning as directly enforced

[elfin tiger]

It's basically still conditioning due to a oth the Dex are Made to agree to which is why the kuva in the scepter was able to control teshin in the first place

The queens even mention this in the last part of the quest

[lilac aspen]

The operator should of used the Kuva to get all the conclave loot

[loud oriole]

-# but it tasted like fruit punch koolaid

[violet saffron]

I do enjoy the like

how we're able to make Drifter out to be the universe's most pathetic little sad-sack punching bag. Side effect is I do want to give her a hug, now.

||Compulsive food-cubing for as a trauma response||, ||chronic pain||, ||migraines||, ||the "I hate fighting" option in Roathe's killing dialogue||, it's all great tbh.

And as someone with ||both of those middle ones|| it's nice to see in a game tbh.

[loud oriole]

Artur will never hear the end of our disgust of cuboid foods

[lilac aspen]

That would be such a grandmother move though

[violet saffron]

I love my square pizza

my squizza

[loud oriole]

totinos party pizza based

[fast dew]

As funny as that would be, I do doubt it

[restive river]

It was a fun theory when we had the bluva story but
Eh

It’s implied that servant girl was Yareli

[violet saffron]

how the piss-bloody hell did i get Roathe of all people to wanna jump my bones first between the three???

This is... concerning.

[restive river]

Cause ig Marie is bugged

[violet saffron]

that tracks

[restive river]

I’m still not sure if it makes sense for Drifter to want to be with an Orokin-
Even when redeemed uh. Bro is still an Orokin, he still is a war criminal, he still killed children for immortality

[violet saffron]

I did have the option to mention feelings to the priest, though, but I didn't take it. Twice today, actually, via both Lyon and Marie's dialogues.
Roathe's the only one with the "hey let's go steady" dialogue option added to his menu

Roathe and Lyon? Game are you trying to zap me with some sort of Bisexuality Laser

https://tenor.com/view/pride-pride-flag-lgbt-lgbtq-lgbtqia-gif-1093076978594796471

These colours don't run

[restive river]

I’m having the same problem lmao

But also I don’t think Marie is it
She’s pretty yes but
Ugh. Idk if she’s my type after what I went through

I will however for sure give her another shot when I reset once things are fixed

And if they fix the consent system to not be literally cheating

[fast dew]

Sorry I saw lesbian flag and thought grandma 😭

-# she'd be a lesbian tho

[violet saffron]

I think I'm managing to gently ||break her obsession with Entrati|| in a way that will keep her happy, I think that'd work out

[violet saffron]

ai yo what

how's it... what'cha mean

[restive river]

Yeah the uh “poly” system isn’t even poly

[strong viper]

Mass effect flashbacks

[violet saffron]

what is it then

[fast dew]

Barely poly

[restive river]

First off you just start dating one of them and THEN tell your other partner
Second it’s not even poly, just an open relationship

[fast dew]

Its just an open relationship

[strong viper]

....true

[violet saffron]

ah that kinda blows

[strong viper]

Nah, true. Go off. Cook

[restive river]

You literally cheat and then say “hey uh can i date someone else too” while already dating them

[fast dew]

Even worse, you can just ignore your other partner

Theres an option to just end that chat

[restive river]

Yup

Choose what kind of scumbag you wanna be

[violet saffron]

wow that is REALLY BAD WHAT THE Sargas Ruk

[strong viper]

Hotel Chair RNG

[restive river]

Oh and your two partners don’t even interact, not even offscreen, its just nothing

[violet saffron]

(forgot how bad the narc bot is here)

[fast dew]

They also ignore both Lettie's and Arthur's pre-established boundaries for it

[strange plinth]

mhm

[restive river]

It’s really bad

[violet saffron]

Oh come on that suuuucks. I'd really want Ellie to meet Marie, that would work wonders I think, give her religiosity she's had shades of in some convos

gods I need to redo the Hex at some point, and do it like, "right"

[restive river]

Oh and also there were the “jokes” of “it’s not cheating cause time travel”
But when you can access points in time like places in physical space uh. No thats just cheating!

[fast dew]

I want Eleanor to meet Lyon tbh

I think that could work

[restive river]

I want all of em to meet!

[blissful merlin]

Amir’s message felt really bad to me. Idk…I felt more guilty after the chat cuz it felt like he was hiding his pain. Like I know my Amir…idk if he’d be exactly that thrilled for me to be with another person and him not even getting to know anything about them. Just that there’s someone else

[restive river]

I want Eleanor to meet Yonta
Different group but c’mon it’d be fantastic

[strong viper]

Yeah, lot of subtext to juggle there

[strange plinth]

it definitely feels like he's going along with it more to not lose you than actually being okay with it
its riding that line, at least

[fast dew]

Hed agree but only cuz hes scared to lose you imo

Eleanor and quincy are the only two i could reasonably see

[violet saffron]

Like I want the full DND game and the spaghetti conversation

[restive river]

I’m fine if we can choose to have our Drifter be a terrible person
This isn’t even a choice
It’s not even with a purpose it’s just. Done so poorly ):

[strong viper]

Maybe the game will have wally trolly problem the love interests if you date more than 1.

[blissful merlin]

Oh yea absolutely. It shattered my heart. Was lowkey tempted to go straight to Marie to end things but I also don’t want to break her heart😭

[violet saffron]

but I also like... having to grind through all kabillion conversations to do it's gonna be A Lot

[fast dew]

Oh, and Arthur's thing about not liking it.

No clue what convo this is, ill go check tho

[violet saffron]

also knowing this game breaking up with Ellie via time travel and then dating her again's gonna break something.

[strange plinth]

that's the uhh. "so that's why you're hanging around" convo isn't it? don't remember the number sadly

[violet saffron]

or does that Actually Work? I ask 'cause like... DE.

feces is broken at the best of time's 'round here.

[fast dew]

Shit

:D

[violet saffron]

okay the narc bot doesn't catch shit?

but-- okay I need a list

[fast dew]

Yeah.

For some reason

[strange plinth]

especially rn
you should be ok? the hex aren't broken currently, tmk
er wait

[fast dew]

Its been the only curse i could say

Even then, combined words dont work

[restive river]

Is that even a curse what lol

[fast dew]

For most automod systems yeah

[strong viper]

Mierde. In italia and french

[violet saffron]

I've been ratcheting up the british shit specifically because of like, the weirdass filter around here

[strong viper]

Yeah

[fast dew]

I have to be especially British now

[strange plinth]

was updated recently, most things said outright in-game will work here

[fast dew]

Bullshit was said!

Oh look. I can say that

[violet saffron]

and whenever the narcbot goosesteps on my face I replace it with something funny in code brackets

often copulation

[strong viper]

The diff is that anglosphere calls a situation bullshit. In romantic language its implied the person is in fact the shite

[strange plinth]

-# i'm sorry i cannot read this without thinking about spamton

[violet saffron]

or sargas ruk like i did above for the rhyme

[fast dew]

Ive just turned into a solaris

[violet saffron]

like the food?

[fast dew]

Mucking </3

Id pay good money to see a spamton made of spam

[violet saffron]

https://tenor.com/view/spam-gif-10811817447080815426

[strange plinth]

spam email guy from deltarune, frequently has his dialogue "interrupted" by ads n such, usually in [brackets]

[violet saffron]

oh

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/absolute-cinema-absolute-cinema-meme-spamton-absolute-cinema-spamton-deltarune-gif-10667192312374960411

[violet saffron]

I'm the wrong kind of tumblr dyke for that

...who calls who a dyke in warframe

it's Alad V isn't it.

[fast dew]

That is wild

[strange plinth]

yea why's that allowed lmao

[violet saffron]

i could see that

[fast dew]

That. Wow.

Now I just gotta wait till wally calls Loid a slur/j

[violet saffron]

jsdlkjflskfjldskfjkss

[ashen pulsar]

now's your chance to be a [big shot]!!!

[fast dew]

Id say id wait for ticker or flare to do it themselves but i don't think either would 😭 Flare just doesnt come across as that kinda person and ticker likely doesn't know of its existence

[glacial bough]

Man, it actually is kind of annoying that you can only argue with Roathe about Wally being a god than about Wally being a CE

[restive river]

Literally where I’m at today

It is
So incredibly annoying cause none of the options fit my perception of Wally

[glacial bough]

Like, being a god is semantics with what he can do, but him being created or not is a genuine taking point

[fast dew]

My drifter is just stupid

That mf aint me anymore

I wouldnt forgive Marie for what she said in that argument

But I have to bcs Loid won't get reunited

[restive river]

When it forced me to ask if I could be in a couple with her I was just kinda done :/

[glacial bough]

Then Roathe's nonsense argument about god's not being about to be killed got me riled up

[restive river]

Lyon’s story is the best of the three still to le

[fast dew]

Thats like.

A whole ass trope in fiction

[strange plinth]

i enjoyed the "hold on, we might have different definitions of 'god'" bit of the convo, and the rest is pretty meh

[restive river]

Wait which one leads to that that’s the closest I might be able to get to being happy about this 😭

[fast dew]

Like. Girl the way I would punch marie if she asked me out lowkey.

The audacity of this mf 😭

[glacial bough]

Marie is fine, it's easy to just call her out

[fast dew]

Nah

She pisses me off during the argument

[restive river]

Lyon’s babygirl and doesn’t make us frustrated

[fast dew]

She throws Loid and the Family under the bus

Which hurts.

[restive river]

I really did not enjoy being forced to disrespect her religion

[glacial bough]

You aren't?

[restive river]

I’m not religious
I don’t care for it
I’m still gonna try to be respectful and I just don’t get to do that???

[fast dew]

Oh that option? It works if you chose that your drifter is religious iirc

[restive river]

I literally was, at least the path I went down

[restive river]

Okay but I’m not gonna lie!

[strange plinth]

in between leads to it
when asked to define a "god", the options are
||An entity that is beyond our comprehension. A creature that exists in a dimension outside ours, and, therefore, does not exist "like us."||
||A superhuman entity or creature that has power over a particular aspect of creation or human fortune.||
||I'm not sure. You go first.||

[fast dew]

EXACTLY

[restive river]

You can not be religious and still be respectful!

[fast dew]

Like girl I know for a fact Sol doesnt allow harm to an innocent, but like. damn.

Well. Not as fact but given how she acts after

Its not something thats particularly liked.

[glacial bough]

I can imagine you said you weren't religious before the argument

[fast dew]

I mean accusing her of sinning against her religion is pretty bad

[restive river]

I’m not religious
My drifter isn’t nor does it make sense for them to be for me
And cause of that I have to disrespect her???

[glacial bough]

I would just pick the Roathe option there then

Apparently it's the better call out mechanically too

[restive river]

Yeah I’ll be using kimulacrum when I reset

[glacial bough]

It's a logical flow, she's angry and of course not gonna react well to someone that said they were separate from religion making an argument based on it

[lean garden]

Im going to need to reread the flow chart

because I don't think asking someone where in their religion they can justify xyz is disrespectful

[normal mountain]

In the context of this conversation
I have found an amazing Uno Reverse card to use on Marie
It does seem to require glazing Entrati though

[lean garden]

specifically when said person portrays the religion so far as being opposed to the xyz mentioned

[normal mountain]

I believe it's because she takes it as "you're willing to use faith as a weapon to win an argument"
Which, to be fair, doesn't speak that well of one's morals

[lean garden]

understandably its a deflection from marie, which she will recognise in the next convo

shes offended that you would flip her own beliefs onto her to expose her hubris

which unironically is par for the course for being religious

Hell given that dualism is really just alternate christianity sans Jesus

[normal mountain]

If done correctly
If not, then it's just insulting
I've been on that side of the conversation

[lean garden]

Jesus did that like repeatedly

[lean garden]

sure, I would say while drifter was abrasive, I wouldnt call it done wrong

because even marie acknowledges that "hey yea whats up with that"

[normal mountain]

No
I'd say Drifter does it right, shockingly enough

[lean garden]

albeit later with cooler heads

[normal mountain]

But not everyone does it right
Is my point

[lean garden]

I dont deny that, I was just getting at drifter having done it and done it right

[normal mountain]

But that's also getting a little off topic

Anyways, I wanted to share this little gem of a switcheroo

Aside from that, I do wish we could be a little more neutral towards Albrecht in these conversations

One or the other is just... not where I stand

though I suppose I stand closer to Fan than Monster
I don't hate him, but I don't adore him either

[wind ruin]

"An entity that is..." is most accurate to what the Indifference/Wally is.

[fast dew]

I think, personally, that the people who think Albrecht is pure evil are some form of media illiterate

[wind ruin]

Albrecht is closer to purely apathetic.

[lean garden]

I would dare say that Albrecht cares too much to the point he must make himself apathetic

to be the lil honest devil he wishes to be

[wind ruin]

I'm... not so sure about that. He had to be forced to marry, and when he had a daughter, he looked at her more like a lab assistant than a child.

[lean garden]

being forced to marry is one thing, but that notion about his attitude towards his daughter is like demonstrably false

[wind ruin]

And he had no concern or empathy about consigning the last creatures of an almost extinct race to certain doom.

[lean garden]

also demonstrably false

[wind ruin]

Oh? I could be missing something.

[lean garden]

his lil diary for one

gimme a sec Ill pull up the relevant bits

[wind ruin]

Where would i find it in game?

[lean garden]

They did not die, save one. They came back changed. Witnesses. Pilgrims, even, chanting freakish praise to the one beyond the wall.

I knew, then, that my gambit had lost. So long as I worked through scapegoats, my guilt would only deepen. I must atone for what I had done through my own blood.

Standard laboratory hygiene would have been to dispose of them. But some instinct stayed my hand. The Voidtongue was an enigma to me, but another – more habituated to the Void than I – might one day unravel it. Through the imposition of form upon the formless, they could, perhaps, glean some meaning.

I assigned the Cavia to Loid, for I could not bear to look upon them. Not yet.

Loid is, at head, a good and kind man – better than I deserve. And completely oblivious to his own true worth.

[lean garden]

gotta beat up the mocking and scathing whispers again and again in the sanctum

[wind ruin]

Ah. Been a while since I did that, don't know if I ever completed the diary entries then.

[lean garden]

In Duviri, I woke every day to the voice of my daughter. I recoiled from this at first, feeling the sting of conscience. I could not confront, even in semblance, the woman I had abandoned. Instead, I reinvented myself as a teacher, advising the child-king of the menace beyond his borders.

But as the days melted away, I came to recognise the strange cast of characters Euleria had created, and their purpose. I heard voices I had myself first conjured in the darkness of her childhood chambers, for no other reward than her delight. She had not only preserved this gift I had thought so trivial, she had made it an instrument of healing. More: a stronghold.

Despite my legacy of neglect, despite my shoddy example, my needs, my demands, my daughter had triumphed in my absence. Her confidence, her warmth, shamed me. I had fled from the horror, but she? She had stood alongside the most vulnerable, those with the most to lose, and told them a different story.

[wind ruin]

Thank you for the information. That points to Albrecht not being apathetic. And it's less 'feeling too much' and more guilt as he recognizes his obsessions have hurt others.

[lean garden]

I dont think theyre that mutually exclusive

albrecht is a mighty yapper with the pen

[wind ruin]

But awfully parsimonious with explanations when he has to use his mouth.

[lean garden]

thats why I said he makes himself apathetic, at least on the outside

no wonder the bots can't tell him and wally apart

what a bungled mess of emotions

[wind ruin]

There's a reason it's Euleria who teaches the class on Eternalism, and not Albrecht. I don't think Albrecht ever learned to communicate ideas properly when he had to do so in person, face to face, using speech.

[lean garden]

That I can imagine

aside from yknow, albrecht vanishing from the public eye

euleria is the one who cowrote/outright wrote certain texts

[fast dew]

He's pragmatic

[fast dew]

Ill be deadass, he just might be autisitc

[lean garden]

hes pregnant???

[fast dew]

Thats how Euleria was made!

[lean garden]

Mmmm mpreg

[fast dew]

I need to draw that actually

Cept its gonna make him suffer

Go eat shit Albrecht

Woe pregnancy upon ye

[flint tartan]

https://youtu.be/tipwlhSdUHQ?si=3G4ml_EawqNj2Ydu

Roathe is sans confirmed

But seriously, if Resetting the dialogue and chemistry is actually technically resetting time, does that mean both the Drifter AND the operator have the ability to reset time even outside of Duviri?

[dry oracle]

"now draw him pregnant"

[fast dew]

I just think its funny to see him pregnant instead of loid. Its always loid.

[dry oracle]

My brain is gonna start bothering me saying "draw it make Albrecht pregnant"

I was going to draw bald Marie and pink tie roathe

[drowsy saddle]

I cast 1000 period cramps

[fast dew]

I cast over-active pelvic floor mimicking period cramps ‼️

[fast dew]

... pink tie roathe?

[dry oracle]

I meant to say pink knot

Marie said she will tie a knot on roathe tails and Roathe said if she wakes up with shaved head she know why

[north skiff]

So I just discovered Nora night has stories of past events

[strange plinth]

mhm

[dry oracle]

Arlo flame and saturn six wolf?

[fast dew]

NIHIL MENTIONED

[north skiff]

Only shows 3 events for me

[fast dew]

Only 3 happened iirc

[strange plinth]

yea

[north skiff]

Ah

[fast dew]

Nihil my love, I still talk about you

[north skiff]

What is nihil?

[fast dew]

He honestly wasn't that bad of an orokin

[drowsy saddle]

DE decided it pulled too much manpower from main quests

[strange plinth]

wolf of saturn six, glassmaker, and emissary
they stopped after that because nightwave was slowing down main updates

[north skiff]

Oh got it

[fast dew]

NIHIL >:)

[dry oracle]

Nihil and Thomas KIM romance when

[fast dew]

MY SHAYLA 💔

[strange plinth]

the glassmaker, an executioner of the orokin. guy responsible for creating cephalons

[north skiff]

So proto frame when?

[dry oracle]

Now

[fast dew]

Hes in my orbiter and I purposefully fail the fight so I can talk to him

[strange plinth]

he's in a jar idk if he can be a proto

[north skiff]

[fast dew]

Any importance nihil had got shot dead on a stream, we aint getting new info any time soon

[north skiff]

Waaah

[fast dew]

It wasn't even a devstream

He was it seemed, an Executor

[strange plinth]

random cryptic 24h stream before old peace dropped

[north skiff]

When does current night wave end?

[fast dew]

Until the line calling him that got patched out.

[humble sierra]

No date but they normally do one like 3 times a year

This one started late October-early November

[strange plinth]

excellent question. no idea. soon, probably. we'll get a two week warning.

[fast dew]

Also doesnt Nora straight up call him worse than an executioner 😭

Not an executioner, worse than a excruciator or something

[north skiff]

Nice to know ty

[strange turtle]

War was Nitokh + 2 others
Peace was Ballas, Scarne and 2 others

[fast dew]

I wanna say that the two in peace were Avantus and Tuvul

[restive river]

Bro picks the worst dudes

[strange turtle]

She was talking about him being the boogeyman

[fast dew]

It could be worse.

Wait till you learn of my past partners. My ass never learns from chasers 😭

[drowsy saddle]

Avantus just picked the laziest option lmao

[restive river]

We don’t really know anything about her

Other than saw to back and she hold paintbrush(?)

And apparently worse than Ballas

[fast dew]

That is one weird paintbrush 😭

It looks like a claw on a stick

No clue how she was worse, just that she is

And thats scary

[restive river]

They all were

Which is very scary

[strange turtle]

Worse than an executioner, worse even than an Excruciator. When my tired ol' grandma didn't have time for my nonsense, Nihil was the bogeyman she said was gonna come put naughty Nora in a bottle.

It’s just talking about how him being the Glassmaker (with that form of cephalonisation being really messed up in general and under Orokin beliefs) was infamous. Like that one french revolutionary executioner who had a name like the Bible Hair Guy

[fast dew]

But. Tbf. Roathe thinks Albrecht is dangerous and Albrecht is.

I dont think hes giga safe but like. Roathe why are you scared of a man who doesn't do kuva

Not even scared

[restive river]

All glassing was messed up
Heck the cephalons were his project

[fast dew]

He's dangerous" homie. You could tell Albrecht that he isnt worth loid and loid hates him, and he'd fold

[strange turtle]

I said Cephalonisation
Not Glassing

[restive river]

Same thing, no?
Or are you referring to the literal glassing of bodies (which still results in a cephalon)

[fast dew]

Im more interested in ||"necralization/necralized"|| means

[restive river]

Brain scan go brr

[fast dew]

Ehh, theres the act of glassing which can result in a cephalon, but also results in a cephalite

[restive river]

“Partial glass, like a cephalon interrupted.”
Oh that’s just
Awful ):

[fast dew]

And they can move and think!

[restive river]

He was basically a psychotic serial killer so makes sense but ugh

[restive river]

Yeah they can

[fast dew]

I don't think that part was an intentional

[fast dew]

He was insane wasn't he? He thought everyone was breaking every rule or something

[restive river]

Orokin moment

[drowsy saddle]

He literally gets offended that Gara willingly gets warframe'd instead of being dragged to the helminth kicking and screaming

[restive river]

Was she
Willing??
Wasn’t it more so Ballas mocking him?

[fast dew]

Not excusing him for anything but I will always show all sides

[strange turtle]

Reminder that one of the Descendia modifiers is Cephalites

I wonder if thats just a gameplay thing or a nod towards his hate of Nigils project

[restive river]

I don’t think they can choose their punishment so like

[fast dew]

She wanted to be...something

[restive river]

She wanted to date a tower

[restive river]

Why not both!

[fast dew]

She wanted to be glassed actually i think??? Ballas wanted her to be glass.... I think....

[drowsy saddle]

Not the weirdest thing a person has done, fairly sure there's people who married the eiffel tower and Berlin Wall

[strange plinth]

iirc gara volunteered to be a frame, yea
nihil wanted her glassed for it, and ballas made her a glass warframe to spite him

[fast dew]

Go look at the video go my scarabs

[strange turtle]

IIRC She volunteered, Nigil got pissy and wanted to Glass her and Ballas thought it was the funniest shit so he “glassed” her

[restive river]

Okay but Unum is sapient at least lol

[fast dew]

This is even funnier knowing Nihil wasn't even an executor

[drowsy saddle]

Heartbreaking: Person you despise makes valid point and action

[restive river]

Of all our sleek gargoyles, our Void-borne masquerade, how to honour the one who volunteered willingly, knowing the truth? Whose little act of courage twinkled like a petty Ayatan before our golden indifference?

And Nihil cried 'Glass her, for her presumption!' until the arches rang with laughter.

So be it. I shall encase you in crystal most fine. That the purity of your stimatisation might shard the sunlight itself.

The unbroken.

Gara.

[fast dew]

Like why did Nihil feel so comfortable being so aggressive to Ballas

I will believe they're siblings and just hate on each other

[restive river]

Gara wanted to be a frame to be with Unum, totally

[fast dew]

This is so sibling behaviour

[strange turtle]

And Nihil cried 'Glass her, for her presumption!' until the arches rang with laughter.

He got the whole Parliament laughing

[fast dew]

Bold of you to assume there was a parliament at all/j

[restive river]

Nobody took him seriously