lore-discussion

[restive river]

She has 3 different personalities
Margulis was an identity forced upon her
Natah is who she used to be and was forced to he again
Lotus is the closest thing to an identity she herself forged

[fast dew]

Oh we were talking about the same thing 😭

[restive river]

All 3 exist within her at all times

[proper barn]

Them. The operator and drifter have said gender isn't real.

[restive river]

Post NW

[fast dew]

Hes talking about his feelings around the fingers n shit

[proper barn]

So warframe has made you Agender.

[restive river]

Or genderfluid
Or you are just what you want to be

[fast dew]

Mhm. Kinda based for the orokin to do that

[proper barn]

Yeah. But that's not as funny.

They are your characters.

[restive river]

Let’s not say the game is forcing you to be one way when that goes against what it tries to teach us.

[proper barn]

So they are whatever yoy want to be.

[coral mirage]

kiddo (Im 42, be patient with me, everyone is a kid normally to me) I can process thigns with an open mind.
But when you have a child, son, things tend to go... binary

[proper barn]

But it's so funny if someone gets upset about It.

[restive river]

Dream, not of what you are but of what you want to be.

[coral mirage]

so... bear with me here

[fast dew]

Gender isnt real its just a lie spread by Ballas to seperate the tenno forces further

[restive river]

Gender is as real as you want it to be, but as a societal concept within the origin system it does not exist

[proper barn]

He doesn't know.

[sly swan]

ballas is going to be beat into the curb regardless

[proper barn]

Those who don't know.

[coral mirage]

I literally wanted to throw his ass into the sun, but mad i wasnt allowed

[proper barn]

@coral mirage anyway I was gonna say so drifter is the one that wasn't saved from the Zariman and Operator was the one that gets powers and gets out.

[restive river]

I wish we got to kill him but it makes sense mom got to instead

It ties up her story

[coral mirage]

that was very plain as day

bifucartion in time and all

[proper barn]

Yee.

[restive river]

Funny deal split us in twain

[coral mirage]

we did kill his ass, he said "ruined my death" or something to that extent

then he goes from slave too ruler because

plot?

[restive river]

Mom got the final blow though with the suck of life

[restive river]

Oh that was a trick
He’s a manipulator

[coral mirage]

SONOVA

[restive river]

Erra is as smart as a bag of rocks :p

[coral mirage]

i swear for an artificial intelligence, where is the intelligence?

[proper barn]

I wanna keep quiet about this. But just know your age and the fact you have a child don't matter at all. This feels so mean to say but I know people that are like nonbinary and have kids and stuff and are your age.

[restive river]

He manipulated Lotus too
He manipulated everyone

[coral mirage]

also, when do we play as warframe baby?

[proper barn]

Yee.

[coral mirage]

i dont care if all i do is crawl and play with blocks

[restive river]

She has some remnants of Margulis and thus some semblance of love for him, or rather she did
More manipulation from Ballas

[coral mirage]

i will pay money for that

i will travel and pay money physically for that

[restive river]

We might get to play as the child from Jade Shadows one day but nothing yet

Closest I can offer is contractions minigame

[coral mirage]

the dad in me... sad

[proper barn]

Like I'm gonna have kids with my partner probably and they are nonbinary.

[restive river]

🫂

[proper barn]

Anyway. Lore time.

[restive river]

Jade Shadows is peak

[main crane]

I need Jade Shadows sequel grr

[proper barn]

At some point.

[main crane]

Give us Stalker Jr

[proper barn]

Maybe.

Also they are like a warframe

[restive river]

I am very curious as to what they will do with the child

[proper barn]

They might age fast.

Idk.

[coral mirage]

live and let live, kiddo. living in a dictatorship taught me life is fragile, enjoy it while you have it

[proper barn]

Okay cool beans.

[restive river]

I’m afraid the child will be used by Wally to some degree as it is a wholly unique lifeform and apparently the more unique something is the more he digs it

[drowsy saddle]

Sprodling-esque gameplay

[coral mirage]

I WILL BEAT THE HELL OUT OF SPACE SATAN

[main crane]

Wait. This makes sense

[restive river]

Oh true we do have the sprodling gameplay if you wanna be a baby???

[restive river]

YOU AND ME BOTH

[coral mirage]

the devs think they slick.
Uh uh
Indifference is basically non reaction.

Evil wins if good people dont do anything.
We dont do anything do to indifference.

I wont kill you... I WILL BEAT YOU SENSELESS

BABY. IS. OFF. LIMITS

[drowsy saddle]

Baby has no abilities, he just points at stuff and dad kills it

[restive river]

Stalker’s love for his son will outweigh the indifference of Wally

[coral mirage]

baby mini game? Baby mini game

[restive river]

I love all the variations of love in the story, all the “weapons” we have

[drowsy saddle]

Kahl but actually enjoyable

[restive river]

Familial, romantic, platonic
Ain’t no WAY Wally is winning this war!

[main crane]

Kahl gameplay is enjoyable for me

[restive river]

Especially when we have TICKER ON OUR SIDE
SHES THE GOAT

[coral mirage]

i love how the game spells out the Profit based religion is bad.
But once a baby cries they are like
"HOLD UP. WERE BAD. NOT THAT BAD"

[main crane]

We may be evil, but we still have morals

[restive river]

It does show that even in those ranks some of them still have retained some humanity

[coral mirage]

however, i do have tobe.... kinda like... a bit critical about something in that scene

[restive river]

I do wonder why she cared when the Corpus are purpose bred
They uh
Lack families to some extent ig? She was likely killed for that but she saved a life sooo

[drowsy saddle]

Real question is how Parvos thinks of it

[blissful merlin]

Slap him with the big ole palm of LOVE a few times. Lmao

[drowsy saddle]

Cause its obvious the man has no qualms defiling a corpse, but what about the child

[coral mirage]

ugk... when you fire so many guns... youre not going to hear a baby scream... they should have either not fire at all when he cried or stopped. baby cry, then commander ordered to cease fire

thats just me

[restive river]

“BOOM romantic love
BOOM platonic love
BOOM familial love
Had enough WALL BOY”

[drowsy saddle]

Psychic baby

[coral mirage]

ugk, nooooooooooooooooooooooo

[coral mirage]

\that old man can sit on it

[restive river]

I hope we get to punch Parvos and/or his idiot son

[lean garden]

thats the magic of the moment

against all odds a sliver of humanity

[coral mirage]

wait, we dont? I missed the Alva V thing, im not sure how but.. yeah

[restive river]

Humanity > capitalism

[restive river]

Parvos’ son is Nef Anyo, the Fortuna guy

[drowsy saddle]

I mean we indirectly punch him whenever we kill a sister and we did deny him alot of Jade's motes

[coral mirage]

i liked it, but... if they stopped firing in tandem for 1 second to ehar? thats extremely believable
Constant fire? Not so much, but its ok, its a minor thing

[drowsy saddle]

So no super laser powered by capitalism any time soon

[coral mirage]

i know, starscream, probably the best villain honestly

[restive river]

Fortuna is one of the best open worlds

[coral mirage]

hes such a whiny, inferior complex driven guy its awesome

[restive river]

That and Deimos
In terms of syndicates i mean

[coral mirage]

Nef and Parvos are almost like a package deal, one compliments the other, but Nef is really on the driivers seat

[nova sequoia]

just finished the little bit that is loutus eaters and man

||there really is just two of the player huh||

[coral mirage]

Ballas, obviously, hated his ass enough
The queens had a great intro... but then... nada... I let Teshin have his way, dude... slavery, really? im supposed to choose? ugk

Trax... I did have a notion and kinda guess where it was going... but was honestly pleased

Al honestly, i dont care if hes supposed to be not a villain, I wanna him kick his teeth in

And I am not buying Wally's whole "indifference" deal... No... hard no. I know where you are going with this Space Satan

[proper barn]

Parvos is werid

Cuz he's literally a mafia boss.

Like he hated/hates the current coprus cuz they aren't doing evil enough.

[drowsy saddle]

Like i said, he's got no qualms defiling a corpse for profit

[proper barn]

Even in that mission Ordis literally says

"You're as bad as the Orokin Parvos."

[proper barn]

We have beaten back wally with gay old men love and the the friend of all the hex.

[coral mirage]

i was very surpised at the total 180 Loid did

[proper barn]

180?

Is it a 180?

[coral mirage]

personality wise? He is a spiteful jerk

[proper barn]

Who?

Loid? Nooooooo

[coral mirage]

Loid.
Then hes attentive and talking to you while Lotus has you going back to memories

[proper barn]

He was when you talk to him?

[coral mirage]

you mean aski him for trades etc?

[proper barn]

I will not

Take loid slander.

[proper barn]

I don't know where this comes from.

[coral mirage]

wait, are we on the same page here

[proper barn]

He's never mean to you the player.

[coral mirage]

he is extremely spiteful and dismissive when you meet him.
Then we have him fight with you, then Al confesses then Loid is learns
THEN when Old Peace, hes super attentive to you, like REALLY attentive to you

[proper barn]

He's upset at Albretch cuz left and never told him his real feelings.

[coral mirage]

thats a hard change man

[proper barn]

IS HE?

[coral mirage]

yes

[strange plinth]

i mean, at first, yeah. he has stuff to do
his dialogue changes as you rank up w/ the cavia

[coral mirage]

i get it, hes hurt, bad. Deservingly so, that doesnt magically wave his dismisiveness towards you.
Again, hindsight is 20 20, but its a larger arc

[coral mirage]

THIS

taht is what I am saying

because the bread and butter dialogue when you buy or go talk to him still remains fairly sarcastic, you get the impression he is like that.

Then suddenly "ok dude thank you, thats.. mighty kind of you"

[proper barn]

Okay I'm checking even in the quest

He's still like "caring" he's just upset at the whole situation.

Likes he's mostly mad at Albretch and annoyed at Wallt invading.

[strange plinth]

yea, he's focused on other stuff a lot of the time. he's still working, even after r5 cavia. just less on his plate

[fast dew]

He's spiteful at Albrecht, not you

[proper barn]

He he's like "oh sorry" and he's like "don't be mean to the tenno fish. @coral mirage

He also sounds genuinely worried about you mutliple times in the quest. I just got the last one but there's a lot of other ones too. @coral mirage

He's just british

They just sound like that.

[strange plinth]

his most dismissive/sarcastic line is the "I'll just put all this back, then." and that shows up when you leave a shop without buying anything, which is reasonable i think

[proper barn]

He has resting sarcastic voice.

[coral mirage]

true, but again i mean... dude tats not our fault

[proper barn]

Like I have resting Autistic face sometimes.

[fast dew]

Might I say

He is just a diva

[winged flume]

I love Loid, both of them.

[coral mirage]

and thats his character arc, he gradually grows out of it

[fast dew]

He's just a diva and its peak

[proper barn]

People think I'm mad or something and im not.

[fast dew]

He was like that from the start 😭

[fast dew]

Same.

Dead face but i assure you I am having the time of my life

[proper barn]

This is all in the STARTING QUEST. Also he's nice to you from the beginning just annoyed at Albretch which is fair. Also like I said I think part of this is just he's a effeminate British man.

[coral mirage]

maybe its the presentation for me, i basically kinda did a run of the game to keep up because YOU ALL HAVE 10 YEARS AHEAD OF ME

[fast dew]

Loid's "character growth" is him realising the tenno is a child imo

[coral mirage]

so somethings had to be compartementalized

[fast dew]

He historically has a softer spot for children, so it makes sense

[proper barn]

And animals even if he doesn't seem like it.

Cus he is the one that stopped Albretch from just killing the cavia.

[coral mirage]

Did you say... Children? (is looking for any excuse so the algorithm pick ups the word child to play as warframe baby)

[fast dew]

Mhm. He helped raise mother it seems, and helped with the grandchildren, along with him in the old peace

[coral mirage]

So was I the only one that chose Serius as the baby's name?
Cuz I loved that were basically a Sith Lord in the game, but i draw the line at Sith Baby

[strange plinth]

iirc i picked sirius

[fast dew]

||"He's alive, Ayatan. The man who made sure I was up and dressed every morning. He lit candles with me in my mother's memory. He taught me to be kind, even if I forgot. I thought he was dead, necralized, but all this time he's been there under my feet! Oh Loid, why didn't you come to me sooner? Were you ashamed that my father abandoned us both?"||

This new line specifically makes it a lot more obvious, previously I only had the line Fib has about how Euleria picked up being able to explain complex things in childish ways from Loid, which is pretty obvious anyways but more confirmation is always good.

[stray herald]

I picked Orion bc i didn't read the lore

[fast dew]

I picked Orion bcs im a nerd

[strange plinth]

there isn't even lore to read its just the green or red highlight around the option lmao,,

[blissful merlin]

I chose Orion as it’s my fav constellation and my OC’s name over in Destiny. Immediately clicked on that one

[coral mirage]

Orion was a hunter killed by the giant scorpion, which is not bad, but because of the obvious "green good, red bad" well... i mean... I was NOT going to let Jades love fade away

[normal mountain]

I picked Orion mostly because of Greek mythology reasons
And because it was colored Stalker red

[stray herald]

wow, loid was more of a dad to euleria than al was

[coral mirage]

*Sirius is greek

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

[fast dew]

Albrecht still did a lot of dad things. He told her bedtime stories as well, he was likely just struggling after getting out of an arranged marriage

[normal mountain]

Is it?
I'm not familiar with that story then

[coral mirage]

its the name itself

let me put it like this, the suffix US means: Derived from or son of
So DariUS - son of Dari, etc

Optimus - Optimal origin, etc

its easy to tell if its is greek origin because of that

[normal mountain]

Son of Siri
Hmmm
No, I'm not naming the baby after an Apple AI

[blissful merlin]

Lmaooooo

[coral mirage]

ironcally enough, fiction seems to go the other way around....
NO MEGATRON, CALLING YOUR PREDECESSOR MEGATRONUS MAKES NO SENSE AT ALL

*Crashes out in etymology

[fast dew]

BAHAHAH SOMEONE LNEW

[normal mountain]

sigh
He named himself Megatronus after the original Megatronus
The arena crowds shortened it to Megatron

[coral mirage]

I will never forgive Hasbro for doing that, like really... really?!
Bad enough the English makes a lick of sense to me, you grab another language, and completely disregard it

[fast dew]

Warframe does the same 😭

[coral mirage]

my man/lady, the words come from real words, real words dont work that way

[normal mountain]

They called him that because it sounds cool, not because it made sense

[coral mirage]

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

ok im good

i just had to get it out of my system

[fast dew]

Thats.. how his name got shortened in more than a few canons

[coral mirage]

Tezcatlipoca, I will forever be grateful, but this youngin's....

I officially recognize I am Unc status

wait a minute.... hold up......
Do we have a Mexica Frame???? THIS IS IMPORTANT! (To me)

[normal mountain]

Not... really
We have Lettie, but that's probably it-
No, wait, Styanax Deluxe

[coral mirage]

aha....

first step... mesoamerican frame.
second step.... comedy
Third step... ???
Fourth step... Profit

[fast dew]

We got Lettie, who's some form of Latina, and yeah, Styanax deluxe

[loud oriole]

-# lettie being part of the trinity batch albrecht brought to 1999, also a gemini skin
but yeah, Styanax's Tonatiuh skin

[coral mirage]

sweet

[coral mirage]

gonna be able to beat bad guys and venerate all mighty tezcatlipoca

[strong viper]

He is a hoplite too so he even fights aztec-ese

Just give him a silva or a cobra and you are set

[coral mirage]

fun fact, aztec is a made up italian word

[strong viper]

I bet

[coral mirage]

its really mexica, hence the name

[fast dew]

I can sense Liger somehow

[strong viper]

Did tenochitlan refer to his people as the mejica?

[fast dew]

Ik they helped design it iirc

[coral mirage]

ok so....

[fast dew]

But like. Even without that knowledge, I can sense Liger

[coral mirage]

bit of a religous migration and integration lesson

[loud oriole]

but yeah his base skin is very roman hoplite coded and his kit follows in that choice

[strong viper]

I am from new orleans y soy hispañohablante pero bastante/poco

Lots of latino and castellian bleed from the crejole cultures

[normal mountain]

If we ever get a Styanax protoframe, I fully expect him to ask if his enemies are entertained

[blissful merlin]

Styanax protoframe??? yes please

[strong viper]

Ex ufc fighter triathlete turned cyberpunk Roadhouse xD

[coral mirage]

the Mexica is the general name for the people in mexico, preceeded by the toltec, then mayan then whatever that guy called Aztec

So in the 3 codexes, or chapters, tehres are 3 main gods
In the southern lands, there is 1 god, the hummingbird Huiztiloptcholi

because the names are even hard for me to say, i will go with their basic names

Xipi Topec - West
Quetzalcoatl - East
Teszcatlipoca - North
Huitzilopotchli - South

Since SOUTH took over, he was the main god, with the crown (the sun) on his head

[strong viper]

So, the cardinal forces. Asia has their own set

I knew there was a mesoamerican one as well and that quetzacoatl was on it

[coral mirage]

so yesm its a bit of retcon in religion tupe of thing, like the egyptians but with less text

[strong viper]

Or the irish lmao

Those darn catholic monks

[coral mirage]

now, to this, once we have all 4 at the same time, THEN this came into canon

then IT the capital came

after all codexes came into one

[strong viper]

Roman/thracian/makedoni

[coral mirage]

(shaddap Mayans, you basically had everything with another name, I am not learning my 5th language, my head hurts because I think in 4 at the same time)

[strong viper]

(Thrace was known for its shields and macedon for spears and javelin)

(romans later perfected the makedoni techniques and especially javelin)

[normal mountain]

Makes sense

[strong viper]

Mayans were also very seaside

I noticed

[coral mirage]

for the record, the abudance of green? thats more of a south, huitzilopotchli type... the feathers while obviously referring to Quetzalcoatl, not so much... he was more of the orange type

[strong viper]

Yucatani

[coral mirage]

meanwhile, big bossman Tezcatlipoca is like: "Well FAK you buddy, im literrally providence... That means PROTECTION... what the hell man?!"

[strong viper]

The weird thing is how quetzacoatl and seiryuu/qinglong line up other than color and verdegris

[coral mirage]

the thing is big serpents were revered

dude, theyre basically pythons

[loud oriole]

-# slight tanget, but ngl DE really served up some good cooking with the tonatiuh helmet, i VASTLY prefer it over his base and alternate helm

[strong viper]

I can see that being a pertinent topic in your history, yeah

[normal mountain]

There are some theories about coincidences like that
Like maybe the two were the same mythological entity at one point
Similar to the curiosity that almost all traditions have a great flood of some kind

[coral mirage]

hes literally describes as: Stern. Strick. Many Times Cruel. Forever Just.

[strong viper]

I really dig the alternate tho. But this one is def flashier and more abundant. Wouldnt mind it for my fashion diva build

[coral mirage]

His entire JOB is to make sure YOU are alive

like raelly, you wanna know why theres a planet?

BECAUSE HE SACRIFICED HIS LEG FOR YOU

[loud oriole]

then again, Gerousic is another good design

[strong viper]

Makes you wonder where the inuit, algonquin, cherokee, and mississippian cardinals went

[coral mirage]

anyway, mythology / historyu aside... imma save money in two months to buy me some mesoamerica

[strong viper]

Agogean my beloved

[coral mirage]

please tell me theres some kind of jaguar veriant

so big boss man T isnt mad at me

because really i dont want that in my life

[strong viper]

Really dig how he looks like an OG frame with it

[strong viper]

This isnt bad either. Reminds me of legion in skyrim

[normal mountain]

Jaguar?
No, not that I can think of
Maybe Khora or Valkyr have something

[coral mirage]

gonna have to check

[strong viper]

Valkyr would be the jaggisest gal

[coral mirage]

the fact there is a mesoamerican frame is cool though

[normal mountain]

*skin

[strong viper]

Skin* but yeah.

[coral mirage]

i mean, from the get go, i knew the game had big asian influence

im fine with it

[strong viper]

Oh totally. From day one

[coral mirage]

it would just be nice, ya know?

[strong viper]

Well they may straight up give us a mesoamerican frame too. Rich lore to draw from

[coral mirage]

pfffft there is so much to draw from

[normal mountain]

Might even be in the Tau update

[loud oriole]

ignoring my attachments, Valkyr does have a more feline-styled skin

[coral mirage]

you know that the Underworld gods in Mictlan? The king and queen? They literally cant stand ANYTHING harming humans. They protect your bones because humans are SACRED. OFF LIMITS. F YOU QUETZALCOATL

[normal mountain]

Huh
Sorta jealous
Most mythologies I've come across, the Underworld gods have little to no trouble harming humans

[strong viper]

Reminds me of a lot of mythics. Like mithras, ymir, adams rib, etc.

[normal mountain]

although I admit, I haven't heard of Hades terrorizing anyone

[coral mirage]

Teszcatlipoca? Mr "I had my leg eaten so theres is a plahet for you to walk on? F You. I dont get designated a DAMN THING. I am picking the NIGHT. Because Im the ONLY ONE that can protect humans."
Quetzacoatl: Hold up and...
Tezcatlipoca: SHADDAP UP YOU GET TO HAVE A RABBIT IN THE MOON

[normal mountain]

Hel, though...
yikes

[strong viper]

I am smelling a "You're Welcome!" Number

[strong viper]

She is actually really chill. Its her halfbrothers you should worry about.

[coral mirage]

Hades?

[strong viper]

The managarmr.

Fenrir.

[normal mountain]

And her dad
Fair

[coral mirage]

Mister: "Ok... yes, i am guilty of kidnapping... but also I wa grieving because my girlfriend died, so i took her body to heaven, well Elysium... I buried her... then a tree grew... i spent some time under the shade... i was crying... can I get a minute?"

[strong viper]

That too xD

But i mean maybe dont torture him for spitting bars about frey and freya getting diddy with it

[coral mirage]

Zeus: "hahaha...hes crying.."
PErsephone: " I WILL GUT YOU!"

[strong viper]

Then he wont swear to kill you all

Literally ragnarok started because he was flyting. Literally rapping.

[coral mirage]

Honestly persepohone is like the most mature Greek God ever

goddess

oh and theres the whole Minthee thing

[strong viper]

Persephone a baddie. In the hot way

[loud oriole]

-# i can dip into my plat funds and donate the two things necessary for this btw

[strong viper]

Pomegrante is my banquet.

[coral mirage]

thats mighty kind of you

[strong viper]

I still favor Hecate the most I think

[coral mirage]

also just to finish the roleplay

Minthee: "HAHA. smexed your husband"
Persehpone: "HAHA, Youre a plant now"

dudes, like really?

[strong viper]

Tell em the one about the spider.

[coral mirage]

really?

[strong viper]

A lot of greek shit is that. And irish turns it up to 11

[coral mirage]

ironically enough, Hades is like the most chill God ever, because the layman greek would never sppeak ill of the guy who would send you to elyssium. Bad enojgh he outourced everything to Thanatos, Charon, the 3 judges

[proper barn]

Lettie talks about a lot of meso American gods and such. As part of her kim chats. She also believes in a bunch of don't remember from what culture specifically but she does talk about it. Also she names all her rats after them.

[coral mirage]

Hades is like: "CAN YOU STOP COMING TO MY HOME AND PISS OFF MY DOG?!"

[strong viper]

Literally just a court judge for souls. Disney messed up a lot. Also people calling it... well, you know, the that of Persephone.

[normal mountain]

The way I heard it, Arachne had an out
Yeah, she was good at weaving
But there was no reason to challenge ATHENA, GODDESS OF WEAVING (among other things) to a weaving contest

[strong viper]

I find it vain of athene to act that way at loss.

[coral mirage]

i am not excusing it

[strong viper]

A wise goddess knows she is not Nike

[coral mirage]

i am sauing though, leucte died and he was obviously VERY hurt

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/hecate-hades-2-hades-witch-gif-13596630918359228237

[coral mirage]

HELL NO

no way

[normal mountain]

They had to find a villain somewhere
Without bringing in the whole "Kronos ate his children" thing

[proper barn]

Lettie is fun.

[strong viper]

Again... new orleanian 😉 bon samedi se hage lo salud

[coral mirage]

not after what she did (alledgedly)

thats the problem with Greek gods and goddesses, they have a lot of issues

but just to put it out there

[normal mountain]

Also the way I heard it,
Arachne's tapestry was very... mocking of the gods

[proper barn]

okay I think people can make assuming stories out of gods and shit it's fine. like as long as it's not made to "make fun of" realy it can be whatever and intresting.

[coral mirage]

in one myth:

Hades was basically kept getting wine drunk, SOMEONE dressed as his wife... and well. SAd him

[strong viper]

Yes. So it is a PR job after all. You know athene is literally a female clone of zeus, so

[coral mirage]

NOT COOL

[proper barn]

maybe that's just me.

[proper barn]

so?

[strong viper]

So she acts like him and maintains power.

At all costs.

[proper barn]

maybe i'm being too mean. lmao.

[coral mirage]

"hades was evil"
What. No? hard pass

[blissful merlin]

Arthur Gemini dialogue that always makes me chuckle: “just remember, when we get shot, I’m the one who feels it”
So do we my guy…so do we…transference isn’t kind like that lol.

Operator dialogue: "The Transference makes this hurt!"
We’ll share the pain together big guy…pats gently now shush and shoot as I keep getting us shot on accident lmaooo

[strong viper]

Same xD

[proper barn]

But i like INTERSTING TAKES ON CHARACTERS.

[normal mountain]

You also really shouldn't mock your deities
Like, really
That's asking for divine punishment

[proper barn]

So like

taking a vauge statement greeks had

[strong viper]

Good thing it is that I do not!

[proper barn]

and making that into a intresting character

is fun.

Also it makes people upset. which is great.

[coral mirage]

hilarious enogh the Romans were like

"How do we make Hades not hate us?"
Some dude:
"GOD OF BLING!"

and canon, hes the god of resources

[strong viper]

Hecate was also anathema to olympus yaknow, the whole selene debate

[coral mirage]

hahahaha

[coral mirage]

i am not going to throw her under the bus. but the whole SA thing? Shes one of those supposed goddesses

[proper barn]

like Hades 2 Hephaestus is like my favorite character and he made people so upset it was great.

[strong viper]

She held Prometheo's fire for us

[proper barn]

I love Hephaestus.

[coral mirage]

we all know what you did to Athena, no. You dont get a pass

[humble sierra]

Me too, he hard carried me

[strong viper]

Every olympic is also guilty of it. Most greek and egyptian gods are. And odin too.

I do not worship such kin.

[normal mountain]

That's Hephaestus?
He looks... not ugly

[coral mirage]

yes, but Hades less so.. and with Hecate its weird because hes thrown into everything really...

[normal mountain]

I thought that was an unsuccessful attempt

[proper barn]

Hephaestus doesn't realy look ugly in the myth he legs just don't work.

[coral mirage]

she got pregnant anyway...

[proper barn]

he isn't said to have a werid face or something just that he was "deformed".

[strong viper]

Hades again wasnt seen as a villain until english theatre used him as a name for hell

[coral mirage]

wait

[strong viper]

Thats christians being christians. Not a greek idea

[coral mirage]

wasnt that Nordic because he was tolen from Hel?

what the hell Britain?

[strong viper]

Hel herself was also a benevolent jusitice

Just the daughter of laufey

[blissful merlin]

This is some hella interesting warframe lore…/J

[strong viper]

Aka Loki

[proper barn]

Also i like this Hepthaestus cuz he is like "people talk about Athena cheating on me with Ares They are just small minded" or something similar that seems to imply it's a fine relationship. but anyway.

[normal mountain]

Fair
But they felt a need to have a villain like that
No, I don't understand it, and I'm Christian myself

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/dad-joke-dadjoke-roasted-boom-gif-22339988

[strong viper]

Just wait ill namedrop every frames god or mythic cryptid xD

[proper barn]

do you have a warframe lore question?

[coral mirage]

gotta get back on topic i guess

[strong viper]

Its the accuser figure he plays. Diabolos is greek for that word

[fast dew]

Isnt there a literal god of death in Greek mythos anyways?

[strong viper]

So that should explain enough

[proper barn]

thantos.

[strong viper]

A few
Hades as the domain liege, and Thanatos as the personification of it

[coral mirage]

thanatos

[humble sierra]

Look, Nyx is in Hades and Hecate in Hades II is played by Eleanor, so it's basically Warframe

[coral mirage]

hades is god of the afterlife, erroneously given another title

[blissful merlin]

I’m just messing around with yall lol

[strong viper]

Hades is also a word for hell, so

[blissful merlin]

DO IT

[proper barn]

but do you? @blissful merlin i can answer any question you have. even if the answer is we don't know.

[fast dew]

Why didn't they use Thanatos as it? Why is being the ruler of where souls go bad head hurts

[proper barn]

A know everything there is to know.

[strong viper]

Name a frame i give you the inspo

[proper barn]

Even when it's nothing at all.

[fast dew]

Hits you with uhm...

[normal mountain]

Popularity, I'll bet
Hades is more popular

[strong viper]

Because one works as an angel of death and one works as the assorter of where your soul will go. And charon is not kerebos either. Get it?

[normal mountain]

Ironically, almost no one knows about the bident

[coral mirage]

Hades basically outsources his main duties while basically spending 6 months with his wife, 6 months without his wife. And some time between his ex, which he buried in heaven, and his son, which despite no matter what ancient greek pushed, I WILL NOT ACCEPT ZAGREUS is not his kid becaue of all the bs he had to put up with

[proper barn]

they are though.

[strong viper]

Wat?

[fast dew]

As in a weapon? Like. Trident but two prongs

[proper barn]

just a joke about

[normal mountain]

Exactly it

[proper barn]

religions having overlapp

[strong viper]

Charon is not kerebos. They have different roles. Both are psychopomps

[proper barn]

cuz of people writting similar things

[strong viper]

Ya, memes

[proper barn]

and having different names

[strong viper]

They permeate all things.

[proper barn]

for the same god even.

[coral mirage]

kerberos job is to not allow souls to escape.... Meanwhile Heracles is being a jerk

[blissful merlin]

Oh no not currently. I was just making a stupid joke that’s all. But thanks for checking!!!

[strong viper]

Thanatos talks to hades sometimes. And hades has brothers. The sky god and the sea god. He was the under-Earth god.

Thanatos has two brothers.

Sleep. And Dream.

[coral mirage]

phobos and deimos?

[strong viper]

Somnos and Morpheus

[coral mirage]

arent those Ares kids?

[strong viper]

Thats fear and terror

They are.

[normal mountain]

And Aphrodite's

War and Love made Fear and Terror
sorta poetic, in a way

[coral mirage]

that family tree is all kinds of wrong

[strong viper]

All of it is poetry, yes

Philosophical poetry.

[coral mirage]

anyway, going back to space opera

[strong viper]

Nodnod

[coral mirage]

Umbra is Darth Vader and yall cant convince me DE did not expect us to be a Sith Lord

we literally bleed a kyber by sspending 10 seconds changing all colors to red

[proper barn]

why?

also he controlls his emotion

[normal mountain]

I can't accept this comparison, sadly
Otherwise, my mind starts putting Ballas into Obi-Wan
And that
Is a behemoth I don't want to create

[strong viper]

Funny enough, I find wf a bit more complex than star wars

[proper barn]

also

all warframes would be darth vader thing lmao.

[strong viper]

Yeahhhhhh or actually, even better

Vader would be smoked by most meta frames.

[coral mirage]

Controls HOW? Hes literally out for revenge

[strong viper]

I say this as a huge sw fan btw

I know the saber forms bro

[fast dew]

I can't compete w star wars, but I do have experience in hyperfixating on doom, which has lasted for 30 years now, so its still a lot 😭

[strong viper]

Like i major in 5

[normal mountain]

I'd say he was talking about Vader controlling his emotions
Not Umbra

[proper barn]

no he's not?

HE GOES BACK TO HIS HOUSE

[main crane]

Suddenly, Ballas is a good guy now.

[proper barn]

AND THEN GETS EXPLODED.

[coral mirage]

Ballas is Sidious...

Lets look at this:
Space Opera -Check.
Space Power Source with four letters - Check.
Cyborg - Check.
Force Push - Check.
Damage Skin - Check
Black armor - check
Motivated by your kids dying - also check

[normal mountain]

Oh
I'm wrong, then

[proper barn]

no?

[strong viper]

Eyyyy im an elder scroller and Fallout boy so dat make us cousins

[proper barn]

okay so

Umbra doesn't go out for revegence.

[normal mountain]

Now, this, I can see

[proper barn]

he gets out of the moon.

[coral mirage]

im grasping at straws to make a joke

[proper barn]

AND THEN GOES TO HIS OLD HOUSE. and then dies.

[coral mirage]

let me be

[fast dew]

Idsoftware is just Bethesda's adoptive son smh

[humble sierra]

Ballas had Margulis at least, Sidious was just after the grind tbh

[strong viper]

So you meant emperor harkonnen*

[normal mountain]

Star WarsFrame?

[coral mirage]

also, if we got to fight a hairy animal..

Juggle the wookie - check

[fast dew]

Did you guys know that deimos got yoinked from the sky in classic doom like it does in warframe

[coral mirage]

THERE IS LITERALLY A GIANT WORM WHY CANT I NOT FIGHT IT!

[fast dew]

Like.

Almost to the exact reason why

Cept it was unintentional

[normal mountain]

The Space Slug!

...hmm, probably not

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/say-what-now-anchorman-say-what-what-gif-15786157

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/exogorth-starwars-cave-monster-millennium-gif-12471040

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/denzel-training-day-gif-16743259178450786472

no seriously, why cant we fight giant worm?
Ther eis literally two of them

[normal mountain]

Idk, man

[coral mirage]

also waframe baby, why cant i play that I rockaby baby him to sleep?

why

no, i wanna know why, imma dad, imma allowed to know why. Cuz the law

[fast dew]

Deimos got yoinked into a dimension between planes of existence due to the actions of rich people while hostile hivemind forces kill everything on the top

[strong viper]

Smh just pull out your shamisen

[coral mirage]

https://tenor.com/view/confused-no-nope-gif-5413974953753901704

my what now?

[strong viper]

The shawzin.

[coral mirage]

is this like... a violin reference?

[strong viper]

A shamisen is a similar instrument

[humble sierra]

Shamisens are the IRL instrument

[coral mirage]

HAHA. Im a fan of THE HU, all that reminds me of MONGOLIAN THROAT METAL!

[humble sierra]

Warframe has Shawzins as an equivalent it's a Silksong reference

[strong viper]

Wolf totem goes hard

[coral mirage]

BLACK THUNDER BABY

[strong viper]

Esp for eidolon hunts

I literally chant it

[humble sierra]

Big fan of their Jedi Fallen Order / Survivor stuff too

[coral mirage]

MY BOI / GAL. DIGITAL HUG YOUR WAY

[humble sierra]

And their cover of Sad But True

[fast dew]

SILKSONG REFERENCE!?!?!?!?

[humble sierra]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-hollow-knight-hornet-shaw-hollow-knight-silksong-gif-13205433055363544945

-zin

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/silksong-wait-silksong-seat-silksong-cute-silksong-fleas-gif-15439778005425867114

[coral mirage]

lol, I still laugh out loud thinking of this.
Team Cherry driking out of a Juice Box: sluuuuuurp.
The Pentagon: "WHO BROKE OUR DIGITAL INFRASCTURE?!"

Like, when youre a threat to national security... GADAM

[nova sequoia]

I have finished The Hex

tha was pretty kino

tho tbh i wouldnt mind a little bit more meat, so i could get more attached to the characters

that aside, its was pretty peak

[blissful merlin]

That’s what Kim chat is for. Enjoy!!!

[waxen crag]

So the only way to talk to roathe with the “anathema” status is just to kill him in the decendia? And is there a way to get rid of the anathema status after that?

I’ve been killing him and he just sends me a voice message each time I kill him.

[coral mirage]

go make love to them

not a euphemism

you can, like, go love

[nova sequoia]

yeah forgot about the bonding stuff

the text interactions in the KIM were fun

[drowsy saddle]

He was probably the wet nurse for both her and her children

[fast dew]

He was around when son was a lot older too, so he was just kinda there and I love him for it

Hold on

[fast dew]

DO YOU KNOW WHAT A WET NURSE IS 😭

[coral mirage]

thats... ok, so ... nodriza which means wetnurse is the spanish translation
That does not mean the same thing... like... it involves breast feeding

[fast dew]

EVEN IN THE ENGLISH VERSION ITS THAT 😭

Men absolutely can lactate but like. That requires a very specific set of things to occur, or they're a trans man 😭

[coral mirage]

yeah, ok, no.... so sorry....again this is kinda not applicable here for me...
Wetnurse is not the term i would use... custodian sure, but ... i mean i am sorry

you combo breaker my brain here

[fast dew]

Wetnurse isnt the correct term as he isnt breastfeeding, but i wouldn't say custodian either

He is essentially Euleria's stepdad, just not officially married and the like.

[fiery basin]

ahhhh...guys...can someone explain the lore here to me....why did the big statue stop after touching him on the cheek and why was there my operator along with albercht at the end of the story??

[strange plinth]

the operator and albrecht at the end were both the man in the wall, pay attention to the eyes
the man in the wall (who was piloting that other vessel) was driven off when Loid was reminded of his love for Albrecht when the vessels recreate the scene between them at the start of the quest

[coral mirage]

head of the family?

i mean this is a bit non conventional but i guess pop pop could also apply

latinos would just call him Tata and we it would honestly it would work

[fast dew]

Head of the family would be Albrecht at the time, though id say the family does seem to favour female figures as the head, even if its by coincidence.

Mother is the current matriarch, and going by age, Daughter would be next

[coral mirage]

yeah sure, whatever floats the boat

can i just punch evil in the face while we all decide the conventional routine?

[fast dew]

... matriarchal families are very common and conventional. My culture emphasises it a significant amount

But yeah, go punch some infested or smthn

[coral mirage]

i meant the whole lactation part but lets move on because discord bans a lot of the terms i say, and im ok with it because i know i push the boundries

[umbral merlin]

not really

since he married into the family

thats like if Philipp became the head of the Windsors when he married Elizabeth

[fast dew]

Dude.

Men can lactate. Its apart of the condition called gynaecomastia.

Thats. Something that happens.

[coral mirage]

i know but its not like were talking about 90% to ensure children are properly fed

that it happens in men is one thing, that it secures the species is another
So lets move on from that

[fast dew]

-# you'd lose your mind to learn male sea horses give birth.

[proper barn]

Grandama is said to be a matriarch of the family in descriptions.

[fast dew]

She wouldn't be though, she's not genetically a part of the entrati family, im not sure she'd even have the last name?

[proper barn]

Well seemingly the more powerful family asbords the other one.

[umbral merlin]

pretty sure that only happened with Father

[proper barn]

I mean. Albretch also had a wife. Also grandamother is a "entratii." Just cuz she's father's mom.

[restive river]

She’s the eldest present “Entrati” by technicality of marriage through her kid marrying Albrecht’s

[umbral merlin]

thats not how dynastic laws work

[umbral merlin]

there is also a difference between being considered a member of the family and being a member of the House itself

[restive river]

Oh yeah I guess so

[fast dew]

That wife is dead presumably from not being "in" the family.

Why else would she have died? If she became an orokin through right, she would've been at least been allowed a place in a cryoleum, if not continuity

[proper barn]

Okay I feel like

You are ignoring my points.

Also it doesn't matter how actual dynastic laws work in our world.

[fast dew]

Which is why im inclined to say the Vorten family were orokin before

[proper barn]

Also i don't even know your right. @umbral merlin

@umbral merlin we know way more peoples names now but this is "the entrati family" as we know it.

[wind ruin]

He gives you a count at the beginning of his stage. Listen to it. And you'll know you're done when he stops sending you voice messages after.

[fast dew]

Grandmother wouldnt really be a matriarch, in fact, the most recent useage of that word for the entrati family is for Mother

[proper barn]

Yeah

I checked on that and I was wrong.

I just forgot who I said that too.

[fast dew]

Fair enough

[umbral merlin]

Family member ≠ House member

[proper barn]

They all call them "Enatrai X"

Like grandma entratii

In "house entratti."

Also how do you explain Father being part of house entratti

[fast dew]

That is how marriage works

[proper barn]

If they don't just go with the more important family?

[umbral merlin]

because he married the heir to the house

[proper barn]

SO DID ALBRETCH

And ALBRETCH didn't become part of that woman's house.

[fast dew]

No, because i dont think she was even orokin.

[umbral merlin]

yeah thats because the Entrati family had higher social status

[proper barn]

So it seems to only matter like what family is "greater." /more import.

[umbral merlin]

this is why Father took the Entrati name and not vice versa

[proper barn]

Okay

We agree just to different degrees I think.

[hybrid silo]

To be bestie with Roath should i add points to the thermostat or reduce point from the thermostat?

[fast dew]

Add points, ideally

[hybrid silo]

Thanks also i reset their memory but Roath doesn't seem to know about the reset yet

What about it?

[lean garden]

set the mucker ablaze

[lean garden]

he will figure it

[drowsy saddle]

she doesn't even have a first name!

[brittle siren]

do we know the name of Albrecht's wife?

[hazy prism]

Roathe mentions it but i forget what it was

Gerivaine

[fast dew]

Gerivaine

[brittle siren]

I read Roathe msg about this, and it seem like Gerivaine have at least 2 children

[fast dew]

An interesting name

Mmh.

Which is really confusing

Because like.

Where's that second child

[pale cedar]

Wally is that second child trust

[brittle siren]

wait if so, then Albrecht has at least 3 lovers: Gerivaine, Void and Loid

[pale cedar]

Cheated on his wife with the Void by accident

[brittle siren]

lmao just notice void and Loid rhymes

[brittle siren]

and it's true too, because he was very obsessed with the void

[pale cedar]

Void was his real obsession

[brittle siren]

though I wonder, how Orokin discovered the concept of the void?

before Albrecht go in the Wall of Lohk, no one even believe void is a real thing

[pale cedar]

They studied it from afar originally

So it’s definitely not invisible or anything

Can probably even see it from other planets

Plus there’s all the stuff the Void kept spitting out

[brittle siren]

so wait

all the Orokin experiments of the void have been a failure because no one actually "touch" it until Albrecht decide to go in himself?

[pale cedar]

The failure was proving it was more than nothing

Jahu. Form. My departure was a day less than any other. When I stepped inside the Bell, I saw no crowd through its seriglass. No sceptical onlookers. No regal sendoff. They all had given up on me and my paradoxical formulations. The wasted years had all shown the Void to be just that. Nothing. No energy. No entanglement. No form.

Eventually it did prove results but all the studying was a bunch of failures

Void is nothing when studying it from afar because CE almost always needs you to be in the Void

[brittle siren]

Funny that Albrecht create Wally when go in there, while Unum (for whatever reason) create a whole prime warframe from it

[pale cedar]

DE give us more Unum lore

[fast dew]

Gerivaine barely counts as a lover. He did not care for her at all

And that's not even coming from Roathe

That's coming from Mother and Albrecht's own actions

[unborn wing]

i think im confused here, the scaldra are trying to hold back the techrot right?

[narrow pendant]

claiming to hold it back while capitalizing on the situation to enforce their fascist regime

theyre failing at it

[unborn wing]

ooooh ok i was gonna ask what exactly they was doing to make us fight them

[narrow pendant]

lyrics drive it down

"lies after lies full of hateful deceit, how many will you believe?"

punk af

[unborn wing]

yeah its cool

also is the drifter slamming their fist on the floor just a reference to duvuri or is it an actual thing they need to do to trigger loops?

[fast dew]

Bit of both I think?

[brittle siren]

They basically served under an early version of the Orokin

Many big companies already plan out to enslave the poor at this time already

[humble sierra]

They're also hunting the Hex down

[pale cedar]

It's a nod to Duviri but at the same time the mail afterwards says Albrecht did the looping

[thorny stone]

guys fat question

if the lotus is full sentient and the sentient are known to be taking orders from others, unless she’s actually not taking orders herself cuz her consciousness is working, how the hell is space mom giving US orders and not taking orders?

[narrow pendant]

i dont believe its required, but simply a visualization of it

[pale cedar]

She was in fact taking orders from an Orokin multiple times in the story

[unborn wing]

oooh okok ty

[thorny stone]

ik BALL ASS manipulated her to do that. or u mean someone else?

[pale cedar]

He reprogrammed her

Which led to her following orders

Which means your question is missing the fact she was

[lilac aspen]

Programmed her too well though in the past
Considering she loved the Tenno like children she never had

“I will make her like my dead lover.”
“Oh she’s too accurate.”

“Blast my foolish perfection.”

[stiff beacon]

vegas

doing their own thing

i guess

[short mason]

Guys, I'm a powerscaler, does anyone knows the cure?
(Btw does anyone know how fast Uriel is flying lorewise?)

[restive river]

The most powerful frame is your favorite
Boom cured

[short mason]

Limbo

[fast dew]

Limbo is fun, yes

[lilac aspen]

This is the correct answer
So in this Tenno Talk I will prove why Khal is the stron-

[stiff beacon]

Idk why your powerscaling a band but all right

[stiff beacon]

Genetics

[short mason]

Everything can be scaled my friend (help)

[lilac aspen]

Technically falling out of bounds disables activated abilities and stuff

This means falling is stronger than warframes

This means a warframe that can force people to fall is the strongest

[short mason]

Hmm, I'll scale the void then

[strange turtle]

Unfortunately, it’s terminal

[short mason]

Noooo NOOOOOOOOOOOO

[restive river]

Conceptual embodiment go brrr

[short mason]

True, tho sadly by the moment is only type 3- OH MY GOD IM DOING IT AGAIN

[restive river]

LOL

IT IS TERMINAL

[short mason]

😭

[lilac aspen]

It’s not too late

We can cure it somehow

[short mason]

I made a page in a wiki scaling the void

[pale cedar]

The cure is dying with the sun

[short mason]

Help

[pale cedar]

No

[lilac aspen]

We can conceptual embody a cure…

[short mason]

Conceptual manipulation, nice

[pale cedar]

What if death is the cure?

[wheat trellis]

Why is it called Lua and not Luna

[short mason]

Lua sounds cooler

[pale cedar]

It's shortened Lunar

[lilac aspen]

…I change my mind
It’s too late

I’m sorry

[short mason]

Please don't abandon me with myself 😭🙏🏼

[pale cedar]

There's no cure for you

[lilac aspen]

Conceptually embodying this Lex
Just look at the flowers, Tenno

Just look at the pretty flowers.

[short mason]

The Lua flowers are pretty...

[strange turtle]

Unfortunately they’re about to go extinct

Most of them were overharvested by Tenno

The rest got crushed in moonquakes

[narrow pendant]

thats wrong we got an unlimited supply from our fergolyte dealer nightcap!

he will de-extinct any plant for some shrooms

[narrow pendant]

latin

[wheat trellis]

What?

[narrow pendant]

wasnt it latin or was luna latin already

[wheat trellis]

Luna is Latin

Lua is Portuguese

[woven coyote]

not like those languages have any meaning by the time of the orokin

[narrow pendant]

some fragments of real languages still exist so close enough ig

[restive river]

The Orokin maybe kept Sol and Lua to further mock Dualism

“Haha we took your god and shunted giant gold spikes into her/him/them and now they’re our capital”

They said to the non-existent dualism believers as they all died out long ago

[woven coyote]

lol

[silk sparrow]

how do the technocyte coda end up in the future when you finish them off?

[silk atlas]

They just live into the future

[restive river]

They take the long way

[proper barn]

This infested still goes to the future the old fashion way.

[restive river]

Oh also they track us via our void saturated DNA

Uh. Somehow-

[proper barn]

oh can't infested like "sense" it like they did in the Whispers in the walls build up?

[restive river]

Oh maybe? That would make sense lol

Maybe they waited til they sensed our void saturated DNA was present in the timeline
Since it would come up eventually

[proper barn]

also it would be how the helminth knows we are "VOID DEMON."

when they seemingly never actually saw it before.

[marble timber]

Im stupid, who are we refrencing with this?

[pale cedar]

What was the message before that?

[strange turtle]

Its not an actual character

It’s like how you can decide your familys economic class and where they lived, or if you had a sibling

[marble timber]

Ah

[strange turtle]

Just flavour stuff for you

[dry oracle]

Trying being respectful to Marie but the game Kim chat thingy trying to make you look like an ahh hole

[potent quest]

Hi guys just wondering what happened to earth on warframe?

[pale cedar]

https://tenor.com/view/nuke-it-olliesblog-olliesblog-nuke-it-olliesblog-nuke-nuke-it-all-gif-1658290845776537730

[potent quest]

Orokin empire?

[pale cedar]

In a sense

[potent quest]

That’s crazy so that’s y there’s no moon

[dry oracle]

Um who's gonna tell him

[woven coyote]

Noone because they are new and interested in the lore

So let them find out

[twin wigeon]

14x

[pale cedar]

18

[twin wigeon]

dayum

thats 4 more than i thought

[pale cedar]

Actually

18 is all we know of

Could've been more

[twin wigeon]

😮

oh dear

[pale cedar]

The tablet just mentions the 18th ending

Which implies 18 happened

[woven coyote]

With humanity's state nowadays that number doesnt even sound absurd anymore

[dry oracle]

Does all KIM messages part of the lore or some of them?

[humble sierra]

Could you explain what you mean by that?

They're all technically canon if that's what you mean?

[brittle siren]

all of them are canon, only some of the Drifter choice is interchangeable (like Drifter could either have another sibling or have none)

[wind ruin]

The Orokin had to nuke the Earth to save it. And then they refused to use any of their tech to restore Earth. The reason why Earth now is livable and has forests and isn't an irradiated wasteland is revealed in one of the game's quests.

[dry oracle]

Oh

[proper barn]

Lore later on why no moon.

[stiff beacon]

Don't worry about it

[mystic lynx]

Someone stole the moon

[cosmic badge]

Gru strikes again

[pallid spoke]

Most people don't even notice the moon is missing.

[wraith lotus]

How much procs and damage can the sun produce?

[proper barn]

Wisp does a lot of them with her 4 augment.

And that's supposed to be a portal to the sun.

[wraith lotus]

So around 1k damage hmm

[proper barn]

I mean no? With the 4 augment it's a lot and continuous.

But also

You can use the new war actual sun damage. @wraith lotus

[wraith lotus]

Alright checking, gotta need my Uriel to surpass the power of the sun

[ashen pulsar]

before that

[ashen pulsar]

did they use minions?

[proper barn]

My RJ in New war shield was good enough to not car about the sun damage.

[keen latch]

I wonder how the parazon works for hacking. Like, most electronics cannot handle a blade through the circuit board. So I assume it's some nanite-related mess leveraging advanced Orokin tech mixed with infestation.

[restive river]

The infestation is very good at interfacing with like anything afaik, so probably somethin like that

[brittle siren]

beside void stuff

[ocean geyser]

Then again
Warframes are essentially the Infestation channeling the Void

[restive river]

It’s more like it powers their abilities like a really good battery but yeah

Maybe some level of CE but that can’t be controlled so

[brittle siren]

is it possible that the Vessels design were took inspiration from Hunhullus?

also, we said that we did not hate Ballas enough, I'd said because of him, the tyranny of Orokin empire can finally end. And even Roathe imply that Ballas is the most humane compare to other Seven, prob due to Margulis influence on him

wait is this sentinel Ordis? (one beside Margulis)

[strange plinth]

daklo

[restive river]

Possible but I doubt it, the Vessels were Loid’s idea while high, utilizing the gray strain

[brittle siren]

impossible though, as Daklo is already in the Caliban Prime room

this one just follow Marglulis

[strange plinth]

that's almost certainly the model of daklo

• we know cephalons can be in multiple places, if he is in the caliban prime room at that point

[brittle siren]

and he literally ask if Caliban would attack the OP or Adis first

[restive river]

The proxy body doesn’t match

[strange plinth]

does it not?

[brittle siren]

if he work for Margulis, he would not saying that

[brittle siren]

it much closer to what Ordis is using

I wish we can replay it to see it again

[strange plinth]

why does the wiki not have an image of daklo istg

[brittle siren]

the russian fandom have it for some reason

and he is much spikey here compare to the one in the elevator

[restive river]

It’s hard to tell but I don’t believe it is?
I’m not saying its Ordis but I’m not sure it’s Daklo (though he’d make sense)

[brittle siren]

I just realized that Ballas trick Margulis to talk over the green Ayatan to sever the bond of our OP (and other Tenno) with Margulis, but he never expect that she choose the children over her own life

[strange plinth]

the "horns" and coattails could reasonably be lost in the background at that distance imo
though when they're going into the elevator, i don't quite see the coattails at all? n they're closer then

it makes sense to be daklo, and the body doesn't match ordis's

[restive river]

Tbh this could be solved if we could just get closer

[restive river]

Also we don’t know if Ordis had his proxy body at the time

[strange plinth]

we don't know if Ordis was even Ordis at that time, do we?

[restive river]

He might have gotten it, or its blueprint from the Vitruvian in the Sacrifice as that’s when it first appears

I hope we get to see more proxy bodies

Let my girl Suda meet my girl Yonta
Pls

[blissful merlin]

I need Kaya to meet yonta asap

[brittle siren]

now I'm wonder, does 1 of the crime that Kullervo was deem to do (Espionage) was he also trying to cover that some of the Tenno is planning the downfall of the Orokin, just like Margulis did to make the OP not having treason crime on their head?

[restive river]

Oh we also have Necraloid/Otak’s proxy body, but ofc they’re a special case cause Necraloid is. His own thing and Otak had to be added onto him to survive, so it’s not his entirely

[restive river]

Equip Kaya’s skin
Go to Yonta
BOOM

[blissful merlin]

YOU KNOW WHAT I MEANNNN

[restive river]

The fall was planned by Ballas iirc

[restive river]

I do and I agree!

[blissful merlin]

Actual in-lore interaction haha. They’d talk each others ears off

[restive river]

I need my smart people to talk to eachother

Kaya, Yonta and Suda specifically
Put Little Duck in there too I wanna see what happens

These totally aren’t just my favorites whaaat?

[brittle siren]

still, does Kullervo actually have Espionage or he just pretend to be one?

[restive river]

I don’t really recall his story/crimes, I’m sorry

[strange plinth]

iirc espionage claims that he tried to turn the "new wave" (tenno) against the orokin, somehow

oop-

[brittle siren]

but in reality it was that Tenno who sent the mail through the ARG

[restive river]

No I think different people came to the conclusion that the Orokin suck

[brittle siren]

so somehow Kullervo get a chain of crimes and no one punish him enough? I mean Sorren lost all his memory and Kullervo just having knife on his body and fall into Duviri

[restive river]

I mean his punishment was being banished to the void

[strange plinth]

kullervo seemingly spent a Very Long Time on the run
and was only caught when he tried to attack an executor (totally not ballas) that tossed him into the void

[restive river]

Then bro fell into Duviri cause stuff just falls in there sometimes and the island formed from his very powerful emotions tied to his crimes and memories

Which said emotions are how he’s sapient too

[brittle siren]

Margulis get Jade Light just because of Treason but kullervo get the free ticket to hell?

[brittle siren]

oh make sense

[restive river]

Jade Light is a kindness
Being sent to the void is not

Also they can’t cephalize him ig, or rather it wouldnt work as well as a punishment since he was already a frame

[strange plinth]

though, i suppose-
kullervo would've been trying espionage, as the crime would be listed in duviri because he believes it. whether it worked or not, meh

[brittle siren]

true

[restive river]

Yeah the crimes listed should be cause he believe he’s guilty of them

His hold is just a manifestation of his guilt

Which said guilt is again, how bro is sapient still

[brittle siren]

"senpai Ballas does not notice me so I create rebellion to kill him" ahh crime

[strange plinth]

kullervo put himself in the feedback loop

[restive river]

And all we can do is treat him as honorably as we can

[brittle siren]

wait so he is kinda immortal as long as he is in Duviri right?

also it kinda suck that Kullervo is gone during Wally invasion

My thought that he would strike Oraxia down when her hp is depleted

[strange turtle]

Its not that they refused to use their tech to save it its that even their tech wasn’t enough. It took one of the greatest biologists of the “modern” Orokin to manage anything, and even then a bunch of it is still uninhabitable after a thousand years

[potent raft]

is there any lore as to how xaku prime came to be?

[silk atlas]

No, but they're nothing special in that regard

[brittle siren]

the only thing we know that they was modified by Entrati family to become prime, or ask Ballas to primed them (a collab maybe)

we dont truly know what really happen, but Entrati def have a hand on Xaku Prime

[fast dew]

Wouldn't be surprising, considering how Albrecht did manage to get several strains

Id honestly say its Grandmother over Albrecht

The obols aren't exclusive to Albrecht, he just likes them

[brittle siren]

btw does anyone beside Albrecht and Grandmother know Wally exist?

[fast dew]

Father made the necramechs and those are covered

[fast dew]

Mother would, but i don't think she'd recognise the signs of wally

[brittle siren]

yeah prob if you bear Entrati in your name, anything you made will have the obol

funny to think Ballas used to make custom warframe for other Orokin (and Parvos)

would not suprise me if Oraxia is made from Albrecht dead spider pet

[fast dew]

And Grandmother has more than one frame she's been around
-# 6? the 3 who made up xaku, xaku, Yareli, dagath

[brittle siren]

Prob Lavos too

[fast dew]

My delusional ass thinks that Albrecht took pity on his ex-wife and allowed her to become oraxia. He might not have loved her, but he would've pitied her imo.

Still confused on how that mf died

[brittle siren]

he is in Father hand, which is strange, since Lavos is already Primed when he found dead

[ashen pulsar]

and whichever largely produced frames she may have seen at the time

[brittle siren]

William Afton is that you?

[fast dew]

Nah william at least loved his wife

[brittle siren]

Lavos was a Warden frame right?

[ashen pulsar]

lavos (our lavos) was one-of-a-kind

[fast dew]

Albrecht... didnt. For ample reasons.

Maybe he knew that it was arranged and just let her do her own thing. Lavender marriage style

[ashen pulsar]

the frame that lavos was before learning alchemy was different but we know nothing about it

[brittle siren]

wait, does this imply that pre-Alchemist Lavos and pre-Eidolon Rev is the same warframe?

[ashen pulsar]

like we know nothing about revenant or nokko before they changed

[brittle siren]

both of them was known as "warden" of some sort

[brittle siren]

Nokko was changed?

[ashen pulsar]

he became one with the shrooms of the vallis

[strange plinth]

i'm required to point out that this isn't proven anywhere

[fast dew]

Nokko must be from helminth, yet as far as I'm aware, he isnt, or doesnt appear to be

[mystic lynx]

Probably bc both act as a warden to something?
Lavos to a prison of some kind and Rev to the eido in cetus

[fast dew]

HA nerd

Sorry.

[ashen pulsar]

nokko is a warframe covered in mushrooms. he wouldn't have a helminth strain.

[brittle siren]

there even theory said that he build Ballora and his wife soul was in there

because of some questionable voiceline

and Ballora crawl like spider-

anyway Warframe

[fast dew]

Yk i called yall a nerd yet i get physically upset when people are dense about my special interests

[brittle siren]

still, it would be funny that both instance that 2 same "warden" warframe model become sth else by fusing with other stuff

and both become Prime not by any Orokin hand

[strange plinth]

nokko's lore remains weird, i suppose
"You ain't some leftover freak that some Orokin mucker made in a lab. Don't know how or why, but somewhere along the line you became the roots and fruits."

[ashen pulsar]

they aren't similar enough

in look

[brittle siren]

I mean his base and Prime are totally different

(Lavos I meant)

Alchemy is sth that make even Orokin fear enough to executed the scientist

[ashen pulsar]

realistically, lavos always looked like his base, with maybe a few accessories being added

[brittle siren]

I mean

[ashen pulsar]

he did that to himself afterward

[brittle siren]

I doubt those vials is from the og warden frame

am I wording those thing on his shoulder right?

[ashen pulsar]

hence the comment about accessories

[ashen pulsar]

vials?

[brittle siren]

ah yeah that

[fast dew]

Pauldrons? The vial pauldrons?

[brittle siren]

yeah those that hold his "juice"

[humble sierra]

I wonder what Lavos' abilities were

Before he studied Alchemy

[ashen pulsar]

I wonder what rev's and nokko's were too

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/monster-bob-blob-stare-gif-1160213367645308177

Don't ever call it juice again

[strange plinth]

i feel like lavos was similar to atlas, for some reason
fits the "prison warden" role he was given, i suppose

[brittle siren]

to warden'ed ofc

[humble sierra]

Lavos was actually a spare Atlas the whole time

[brittle siren]

but it strange that DE choose the word Warden for Rev and Lavos

[fast dew]

Warden? As in the duviri warden?!?!?!?

[strange plinth]

it fits their roles
lavos was a prison warden, pre-rev was a warden of the plains
both kept whatever subject(s) they were guarding in line
and both faltered at some point

[mystic lynx]

Rev, Lavos, Xaku, Nokko, Valkyr, Dagath, Jade, Kullervo
Are there any other frame that got transformed along the way to become the one we know of today?

[strange plinth]

voruna

her grafted wolf heads are exclusive to the leverian one

[brittle siren]

and maybe Dante since Noctua is not from his og power

[humble sierra]

Ash =Ninja
Atlas = Brawler
Banshee = Banshee
Baruuk = Pacifist
Caliban = Sentient
Chroma = Dragon
Citrine = Geode
Cyte09 = Frumentarius
Dagath = Dagath
Dante = Pagemaster
Ember=Ember
Equinox = YinYang
Excalibur = Excalibur
Frost = Frost
Gara = Glass
Garuda = Garuda (such little lore she don't even have an alternative name 😭 )
Gauss = Runner
Grendel = Devourer
Gyre = Gyre
Harrow = Priest
Hildryn = IronFrame
Hydroid = Pirate
Inaros = Sandman
Ivara = Ranger
Jade = Choir
Khora = Khora
Koumei = Koumei
Kullervo = PaxDuviricus
Lavos = Alchemist
Limbo = Magician
Loki = Loki
Mag = Mag
Mesa = Cowgirl
Mirage = Harlequin
Nekros = Necro
Nezha = Nezha
Nidus = Infestation
Nokko = Nokko
Nova = AntiMatter/Anti
Nyx = Jade (???)
Oberon = Paladin
Octavia = Bard
Oraxia = Oraxia
Protea = Odalisk
Qorvex = ConcreteFrame (poor guy)
Revenant = Revenant
Rhino = Rhino
Saryn = Saryn
Sevagoth = Wraith
Sevagoth's Shadow = Reaper
Stalker = Stalker
Styanax = Hoplite
Temple = Temple
Titania = Fairy
Trinity = Trinity
Valkyr = Berserker
Vauban = Trapper
Volt = Volt
Voruna = Werewolf
Wisp = Wisp
Wukong = MonkeyKing
Xaku = BrokenFrame
Yareli = Yareli
Zephyr = Tengu

[strange plinth]

w oah

[brittle siren]

Gyre is dancer (base on the dead dancer)

[ashen pulsar]

valkyr?

I think

[brittle siren]

Banshee is to response how noisy Grineer are

[mystic lynx]

Alad V torture
Also Valkyr is already there

[fast dew]

Xaku isn't even a name its just "brokenframe"

[humble sierra]

Sorry didn't mean to paste it since it wasn't relevant (thought Lavos was called Warden at first)

[restive river]

Xaku might be a mix of some requiem words

[ashen pulsar]

gyre has no confirmed relation to gyra, quinn just said she reminded him of gyra

[fast dew]

Xa-ta and...?

[brittle siren]

I mean Gyre idle is dancing

[restive river]

Jahu

And lohk maybe

[fast dew]

Where does the k come from 😭

[ashen pulsar]

could just be the dancer frame reminding quinn of a dancer

[fast dew]

Xata........

[humble sierra]

These are just the internal names

[brittle siren]

idk why Ballas make a dancing frame have electric ball

[restive river]

Xata Lohk Jahu

[brittle siren]

oh I see

[restive river]

It’s the best theory I’ve seen tbh

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/feel-that-that's-true-feel-that-thats-xata-xata-warframe-meme-gif-15531284589461707381

[mystic lynx]

Aptly named Gyre bc she's a rotating electric ball

[brittle siren]

ppl always asking about Xata, but not Oull

[fast dew]

I wonder who drew the requiem glyphs

[restive river]

The connection is ballas, being dancers and that’s it lol

[brittle siren]

very likely is Albrecht, or the Mother

[fast dew]

The hunger consumes

[fast dew]

Id reckon Albrecht, its too inline with the family's whole glyphs to be from Loid

[brittle siren]

Mother is more creative than her dad

[ashen pulsar]

valkyr doesn't make sense. her abilities come from her torture, but her prime has the same abilities without the torture

[fast dew]

Loid is the only one confirmed to be able to draw

[brittle siren]

who drew Duviri art book?

[fast dew]

Id argue poetry is a form of creativity, and that is something Albrecht does a lot of

[humble sierra]

The prime also looks like it's been tortured instead of looking more like the Gersemi skin

[fast dew]

As in the art in the book of Duviri? No clue. I like to think it was Loid.

[strange plinth]

the orokin 100% tortured their frames into obeying them

[brittle siren]

it said that the dog is Euleria design, so I think it's her art too

or she just tell Loid to draw the dog too

[humble sierra]

Kalymos accidentally stepped on some paint and then walked over a canvas

[brittle siren]

the real reason why pre void Kalymos is dead

because she slip on the paint and fall into the void

[ashen pulsar]

so valkyr prime was also tortured, probably? weird to think about

[fast dew]

Its of her design, but i wouldnt say she drew it herself.

Thats like saying Albrecht built qorvex

[ashen pulsar]

im gonna assume it's a lore-gameplay disconnect

[fast dew]

Did we not just learn that warframe strains will permanently be altered if something significant enough changes the frame?

[humble sierra]

Where did we just learn that? A Triad chat?

[fast dew]

Given how ||Rell is indeed connected to all Harrows, despite him not initially being connected, id assume that goes for their physical aspects||

[ashen pulsar]

huh?

[brittle siren]

not really, since some Prime frame have different appearance from the base, like Protea

[restive river]

Infested relationship with time go brrr

[brittle siren]

Dino frame possible?????

[ashen pulsar]

how would that work? valkyr prime's abilities changing a thousand years after she was created?

[ashen pulsar]

not appearance, abilities

[restive river]

[brittle siren]

does anywhere in lore said that her current ability is because of Alad?

[strange plinth]

oh wait is that how they're going to make voruna prime make sense w/ the leverian one
that's slightly boring if so

[ashen pulsar]

Valkyr was crafted from torment, Tenno. Take control of her rage.

[humble sierra]

That's more of a "Helminth has a hivemind" thing though

[brittle siren]

I mean DE can just put infested exist since the dinosaur era and made a warframe out of it

[fast dew]

So, if one thing happened to one warframe... would the hivemind mimic that?

Like how Mirage did?

[strange plinth]

the helminth would have to exist there, and would still have to be crafted into a frame

[humble sierra]

Maybe, I'm not DE

I could see that happening though, it'd make sense

[restive river]

I am not sure you understand the ramifications of that

[fast dew]

Dino bones :D

[restive river]

It would have to be designed

[brittle siren]

who knows, Albrecht is a curious man, why stop at 1899 when you can go to 99 millions year ago

[restive river]

We know there’s no plans nor anyway atm that a dino frame would work

This ain’t spiderframe

[brittle siren]

I mean some warframe was made by pure accident and not by anyone design

[silk atlas]

I think it's really funny that Valkyr and Gersemi and all that was one of the few things they regretted from early WF with how they had to skirt Sevagoth's Prime.

[fast dew]

I gotta wonder how the hell he managed to build and sufficiently power the time machine he had in 1899

[restive river]

They’re all designed to some extent but ok

[brittle siren]

Nokko and maybe Xaku?

[fast dew]

Maybe thats why HE USED TBE STORM

[brittle siren]

void power baby

[fast dew]

HE USED TBE STORM TO POWER THAT MACHINE GOD DAMMIT

[restive river]

Look at Xaku’s origin
Nokko is. We don’t even know what he is lol