lore-discussion

[stone fable]

but with humanity still. we all saw what happened when aoi and rest first use powers too long and too hard. thats mean we as tenno control it? we cannot die? or we could die from using power too hard or too long?

[loud oriole]

we helped them focus on their powers instead of them going 110% constantly

[restive river]

Aoi strained herself and lacked the knowledge to use her abilities, with the tenno’s assistance the protos do fine
Outside of that the tenno are not at risk of using the frames

[stone fable]

they still are human after all. but warframes for me specially umbra has the worst thing in becoming warframe

[tall echo]

They just didn't have practice yet

[stone fable]

but we somehow move in past before their death. thats mean we as drifter can control time and jumping to past?

[tall echo]

Nah not bc they're part human still, I mean they're literally in pain bc the transformation is actively changing their body on an almost molecular level

[loud oriole]

yep that's the only power we mastered whilst in duviri until we found teshin via lotus's hand to finally break the cycle

[tall echo]

1999 is in a loop, drifter took control of it

[strong viper]

Kinda reminds me of metal gear rising

[stone fable]

still you survive. warframes are mindless puppets to control

[tall echo]

They're not mindless, just calmed :)

[stone fable]

tell that to umbra at first meeting. sweet guy

[tall echo]

Yeah he's literally different from other frames

He can't be calmed

[stone fable]

im not surprised he was forced to kill his own son.

[eager dragon]

I dunno, I always assumed that the copies we make are indeed mindless.

Unlike the originals.

[tall echo]

And then forced to keep reliving that memory forever, preventing proper calming

[restive river]

I mean the entire quest is about doing that but due to his situation he’s much more difficult

[tall echo]

Well, it's confirmed by DE that the sword break in tsd isn't transference...

[eager dragon]

Huh, when, where?

[tall echo]

In some reddit qna as usual

[eager dragon]

How long ago?

[tall echo]

I don't remember

[eager dragon]

Man, there should be a wiki page that just compiles random info dumps like this.

[stone fable]

still i think warframes are somehow avilable to feel but still most mindless puppets. they dont speak or move if we go out from them. and i dunno about copies. umbra was copy remember he was killed and we just created him so even copies has memories and anger

[eager dragon]

I just want to check the source. Not that I think you're lying, but it's always nice to see the original.

[tall echo]

Orokin archives should have a page for "random massive lore drops from reddit"

[pale cedar]

If the copy we made was mindless our built frame wouldn't have had the motivation to break the sword

[eager dragon]

Yeah, but Umbra was also special in the way his memories worked, so it's hard to take him as an example. Jade, on the other hand, did have consciousness until we cloned her, at which point she stopped exhibiting any sign of sentience (other than idle animations).

[tall echo]

Again, umbra is extremely unique

[pale cedar]

Umbra had a burning memory that was his motivation

Stalkers was Jade and the child

[restive river]

Umbra was a forced example of what happened with Jade, Kullervo and any other frames that retained sapience

[pale cedar]

Our frames was us in danger

[restive river]

Kullervo had his crimes

[tall echo]

Ballas forced that memory into umbra's transference bolt, which gets replicated by the foundry due to being part of the bp

[eager dragon]

Yeah, well, I always believed it was the Operator who subconsciously moved the frame via the powers they forgot.

Of course, now I'm told it was confirmed that it was the frame, so my argument regarding that is null.

[restive river]

Dante likely would have been fine

[restive river]

How
They were being choked out

Also I don’t think it’s been confirmed at all

[tall echo]

I thought that said chonked... I shouldn't be watching tv and talking here at the same time

[restive river]

It just doesn’t make much sense for it to be the tenno when they were being attacked
We lost control of transference when strangled through our frame, I doubt we’d be able to use it while being directly strangled in a weakened state

[tall echo]

You misinterpreted

[stone fable]

yeah but we cant ignore this is still a proove that warframes feel something

[forest lagoon]

What the hell :(

[tall echo]

How am I supposed to simp for voruna when I subconsciously associate her with you

[pale cedar]

Scene would've been less of shocker to Hunhow if it was us because he had the whole no purpose no sense no self line

[restive river]

?

[tall echo]

The confirmed thing is it not being the operator's doing

[restive river]

It wasn’t confirmed at all, no?
Like what had caused it

[pale cedar]

If it was confirmed it wasn't Operator it sorta confirms it was the frame

Nobody else was there at the time was able to do it

[tall echo]

I remember seeing some reddit qna screenshot confirming it

[restive river]

So if that’s real then it’s confirmed it wasn’t us which just aligns with what I said

[tall echo]

Yes..

And with what I and ender said

[restive river]

I may just be tired

And other stuff

[pale cedar]

It being the frame itself makes the most sense considering the prior dialogue

Hunhow saying they have no sense no self

Then the frame proving him wrong

[eager dragon]

Yeah, well, I always believed it was the Operator who subconsciously moved the frame via the powers they forgot.

Of course, now I'm told it was confirmed that it was the frame, so my argument regarding that is null.

[eager dragon]

Specifically because they were being chocked was why I assumed they controlled the frame. It wasn't a conscious thought - they didn't remember how to do so at the time, after all. No, it was, in a state of emergency, a subconscious push into the ability they once had that they could no longer remember, which only during the War Within do we properly re-learn.

Of course, once again, it's apparently has been confirmed that it is indeed the frame and not the Operator, so my theory regarding that was rendered null and void (to my chagrin), so yeah... Still have to find this reddit QnA, seriously DE, please stop placing lore bombs in the middle of nowhere.

[drowsy saddle]

It was us, the players

[dry oracle]

OK Marie still calls me a ghostly devil

That's hate crime

I wanna throw some hands

[pale cedar]

No, it's truth

[strange turtle]

~~Gonna get called Void Lugger if you go to the Cathedral with Caliban or Revenant ~~

[dry oracle]

Truth crime?

[winged flume]

Oh we're back to War Within positing. I still think the frame did all the work, and then we took over once it carried us out.

[sand valley]

So the Duviri fragments....is there supposed to be a codex entry for them? i see the ones for Isleweaver. but not the spiral

[tall echo]

Look for "island fragment"

Alternatively, visit acrithis in the dormizone, the console next to her has the fragments

[feral cape]

I dont believe its been confirmed at all

Its still open to interpretation granted some people's interpretation are wrong like a guy thinking it was somehow adis that caused the frame to move

[tall echo]

HUH?

[loud oriole]

my favourite lore, <@&778745217037238293> you know what to do

[tall echo]

How dare you be faster than me! >:(

[drowsy saddle]

Mods, feed this bot to the helminth

[jolly root]

Hm i feel like its more the warframe having a bit of sentience still

Not as much as much as umbra

[drowsy saddle]

It's just us, the players, reaching through the screen to backhand Hunhow

[feral cape]

Did you believe tiktok was limted to only bad power scaling scrap you fool

[feral cape]

Thats also my take

[loud oriole]

yeah id say there has to be a minute amount of sentience retained otherwise the infestation would probably decay trying to stay sustained within the chitin armor plating

[feral cape]

Narratively that makes the most sense as imo i believe that scene was supposed to be a build up to the sacrifice quest

Getting us the players to ponder about what exactly our warframes are and why the seemingly suits of armor snapped a sword all on its own

For that to then be explained in the sacrifice quests especially considering it was supposed to ship with the ability to make all frames like umbra but wa scrapped for idk

[wind ruin]

Stalker is a full warframe and has his own mind still.

[jolly root]

So was jade

[wind ruin]

Yes, but we knew about Stalker well before we knew about Umbra or Jade.

[sand valley]

They're not there. even in the dormizone. the entire header isn't there

[drowsy saddle]

Kullervo technically too, if im not mistaken

[loud oriole]

it could even just be since the ones we pilot are copies upon copies of the original any form of notable sentience has since been mangled to where it can only do short bursts of movements

[feral cape]

Yea?

[ashen pulsar]

well they removed sentience with the second generation of warframes

[jolly root]

Rhino had sentience

[drowsy saddle]

I wonder if Helminth is Gestalt hivemind of the warframe subjects

[jolly root]

But certain ones have a bit more

[tall echo]

Not-quite-rhino did

[drowsy saddle]

And the only thought in there was "hungy"

[jolly root]

True

[drowsy saddle]

Should've had a snickers bar smh

[wind ruin]

Though it's pretty clear that Stalker forgot he was a warframe himself, never knew the Tenno weren't warframes until Hunhow told him, and was rather surprised when the Operator's warframe moved on its own, thus making him question who exactly was responsible for the demise of the Orokin...

[loud oriole]

rhino 🤝 grendel
both being hungy at one point

[wind ruin]

Rhino and Grendel in a pie-eating contest.

[drowsy saddle]

Rhino is just using his charge to push more pie into grendel

[wind ruin]

As an aside, I think that Karissh approached Ballas with the idea for Grendel, because he wanted a warframe that memorialized or 'honored' him in theme.

Which would give extra irony to how the Executor died...

[drowsy saddle]

Fatty-eat-fatty world

Or some highlander type shi

[jolly root]

Shoving it down grendels throat while gauss is taking 50 photos

[tall echo]

@stray dove

1. Orokin don't use transference for continuity
2. Tenno are long after the first orokin
3. The orokin long arm and blue skin are both just cosmetic surgery

I really do like the art but my lore brain obsessively has to correct stuff

It's a problem

[stray dove]

1-- Old Peace spoilers || the protect the carriage mission implies that if an Orokin's body dies, they are authorized to Transfer to the next available host in case of emergency. || That's sort of what sparked the idea of "sort of died".
2-- Yee, the idea wasn't that the Tenno came first, but rather a "the Temu version of it" more or less lmao. Same idea, but worse execution.

[tall echo]

Continuity works by using red kuva to put the orokin conciousness into the yuvan, replacing their conciousness completely

Transference is a much kinder version

That is a solid concept tho

Might have to consider it for when/if I write my own tenno's lore...

[stray dove]

Some of the stuff I've been seeing with the 1999 Quincy dialogue is that through our chats, we get to chose what happened to our parents on the Zariman.

[tall echo]

Mainly how they die but yea

[stray dove]

Which, also sorta sparked these ideas. One of the lines in particular was the Drifter musing that everyone who "changed" into the Angels were adults with children.

[loud oriole]

-# in computer terms
-# Continuity is like hitting 'replace' when copying like-named files between folders
-# Transference is like emptying the folder first and then streaming the files into the folder

[tall echo]

Angels are specifically void-copies of the memories of dead crew corrupted by the ship's reliequary drive

[stiff fable]

The current batch are

We actually can't say the same of the originals who mutated during the original accident

[stray dove]

Thinking of why that could be, and in the Isleweaver stuff with the void angels and uhhh.. orb gather missions (my brain wants to say voidplast)-- Tenshin mentions how the Angels are trying to rip holes so their master can breech into Duviri

in the Undercroft.

[tall echo]

Did any?

[stray dove]

It sort of lead down a bit of a thought-tunnel of "why were the children spared" and "why is the Indifference making an army of Angels?"

And, if we made a deal with the Indifference, what does that make us?

[dire mountain]

Transference, very importantly, is a consensual thing

Tenno CAN be kicked out if the host is unwilling

[tall echo]

Just because

Wally is a cruel prick

[stray dove]

Yee, but the dialogue in current quest uses the word Transference specifically, which sparked my brain a bit.

[dire mountain]

Which helps contrast it against continuity

[stray dove]

At least, I'm pretty sure.

Or, it's something like "I am authorized to use Transference for the Continuity" etc etc

[tall echo]

Transfer, probably

Transference wouldn't keep ballas alive

[loud oriole]

id imagine maybe hypothetically the orokin initially used the transference system as a way to 'test drive' the selected host so they could get a feel.

-# but in typical orokin fashion that was phased out quick

[dire mountain]

"Be aware that I am authorized to perform emergency Continuity to save Orokin lives, and you are the only potential Yuvan in the vicinity."

?

[stray dove]

AHA ty

[stray dove]

I wouldn't be surprised if it was a fad like AR gaming.

And then in typical Orokin fashion "but wait we could have someone else do it"

[loud oriole]

i mean with roathe's kim convo || you learn that Continuity was initially a ceremonial event, but it eventually devolved into a cult like system where instead of being 'chose' people offered themselves to be chosen, along with the age range slowly lowering to what we as the tenno were told later down the grapevine||

-# if a lore aficionado could check that for me and make corrections, that would be appreciated

[stiff fable]

Yeah the Zariman ARG clips have the narrator talk about his wife mutating into a void angel right as a Tenno void beams her

[stray dove]

on the note of Angels and the like, the design is a fractil but it also reminds me of English Scrollwork engraving. Maybe it's the just material being a metal medium making that mental connection but:

Especially because some of the sharper bits look very similar to the negative space in the spirals

[strange turtle]

You have mixed things up a bit

Was always ceremonial. Started off cult-like, with adults offering themselves up willingly because it was an honourable duty (IIRC there were still volunteers sometimes but idr the quote).

But then younger volunteers lied about being older, like teenagers lying to enlist during war, leading to the age limit eventually dropping and dropping as they began to care less

And then an Executor realised it could be used as a threat: the risk of Yuvans being forced into it instead to discourage rebellions

At some point the collection for the threat became the standard, and rounding up children for auction became the norm

[loud oriole]

thank you, i knew i was a bit off on some parts, mostly because i skimmed through the chats to get the correct vibe for the best response for bonus chem points

[unborn token]

What exactly is sentient energy/ tau energy?

[still frigate]

the void has alot of fractal design

[dry oracle]

One apology turned into this

If she hates me then why we at close status

[strange plinth]

because chemistry doesn't go down

and it isn't the apology that did that, it was the action you were apologizing for

[dry oracle]

Didn't let me finish the apology

She hit me with a

[strange plinth]

yea, you admitted to liking entrati just to get close to her

[silk atlas]

There's a way to glaze Entrati and still get with her

[brittle siren]

Yeap, def Wally messing with her
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[dry oracle]

No I was trying to get close to Roathe instead

I did say I don't believe Albrecht belief

[brittle siren]

The joy one looks beautiful

[strange plinth]

the argument convo just leads into the Day2 convo. the [text you got](#lore-discussion message) there is set by confessing feelings during the argument

[dry oracle]

During that time I was lyon but somehow get that

[brittle siren]

unrelated but thanks for the text format

also Roathe has stop texting me

is this normal?

[dry oracle]

No

[violet saffron]

I have another possible Idiot Question

Standing next to Daughter Entrati, her ear buds are playing PoYL. Is this a Cute Easter Egg, just that On-Lyne's music survived the length of time, or is this meant to imply she Knows Things?

[strange plinth]

On-Lyne's in the infested hive
the song could survive to get to her

[eager briar]

I am seriously confused on the order of things being released in this game because why is the orowyrm just chilling in between the two objectives in the citrine mission?

[violet saffron]

I think the orowyrms were just an easter egg there at the time

[strange plinth]

iirc the orowyrm that can show up in that void tunnel (and the one when you're travelling w/ the railjack) were teasers for duviri
but its just because of being in the void that they can show up
yeah, U32.3 was Citrine's Last Wish, U33 was Duviri

[eager briar]

A new frame was added during a decimal update?

[strange plinth]

mhm
voruna was too, 32.2

[mystic lynx]

Citrine came before duviri?

[eager briar]

I really hope that they had a Crusader frame during the inevitable devils triad part two

[violet saffron]

aaah true, it's basically the Gravemind's own google drive. Copulation yea girl, pirate that feces.
Gods, I always forget the narcbot.

[swift gyro]

what the differnece between the necraloid and the loid?

[ocean geyser]

Technically Vallis undermind is a decimal update
I think

[strange plinth]

tbh citrine's is funnier because she didn't even get a card on the launcher

[ocean geyser]

One’s a cephalon and one’s a dude

[violet saffron]

One is a brainclone of the meatman in a robot I'm pretty sure? Someone talk over me if i'm wrong

[strange plinth]

that's basically the current understanding i believe

[swift gyro]

but necraloid was made in image of the original loid? or i am imagining things?

[eager briar]

But a Cephalon is a glass version of an actual person isn’t necraloid an entire entirely new conscious?

[ocean geyser]

Cephalon’s can be uploaded into sentinels

[strange plinth]

Necraloid is a copy, of some sort
whether a clone was glassed or not, Loid's skull was replicated for it

[mystic lynx]

But how is there a loid cephalon if loid himself is still around

[ocean geyser]

Because of cloning?? Which we’ve said 3 times already ?

[swift gyro]

they can be ´´transfered´´ to a body. like ordis, he was just that blue thing ´´like´´ a AI, that was ordis completely but after some event he was put inside that new body we see.

[brittle siren]

though Drifter said that it prob not a real skull

[mystic lynx]

My msg got delayed bc of internet ok

[ocean geyser]

Rip

[strange plinth]

"Dante shared the Entrati fascination with bones. I was content to let him explore our old burial vaults and ossuaries, but his request to examine my own replicated skull was a step too far. Otherwise his manners were impeccable."

[swift gyro]

copied from loid? and who did that?

[strange plinth]

loid, yes
albrecht, based on some of the new KIM chats

[swift gyro]

then necraloid isnt like a ceph?

[brittle siren]

He is, but not created from real Loid

either it a copy of Loid mind or from a clone

[swift gyro]

but ´´based´´ from loid.

[strange plinth]

-# Marie: Firstly, of whose designs are these, "Necraloids ?" Of which they are a name and also, perhaps, a designation ?
-# Drifter: Entrati made that one. But the concept of what they are - Cephalons - was invented by the Orokin.
-# Marie: Excusez-moi, do you mean to imply that le Cardinal made a replicant flying skull servant in the likeness of his own companion, and named them thusly ?

[brittle siren]

let make it into simple way: do you consider Grineer isn't human just because they are clone?

[swift gyro]

i mean, biologically they are human i suppose. but generally, i would consider them human at some point.

[brittle siren]

and Necraloid still a cephalon even though he just a copy of og Loid mind/clone of Loid

[swift gyro]

but how did albrecht copied loid mind?

[strange plinth]

all we know is that a skull was replicated

if it was a full clone that got glassed, or some other method, is unknown

[brittle siren]

though Ballas did able to transfer Margulis memory into a robot

[dry oracle]

It's looking good now but I swear to God if tagfer pull any bs I'm turning him into a thanksgiving dinner

[brittle siren]

Then I will feed you to the Wall

[mystic lynx]

What did tagger do 😭

[silk atlas]

Outside of "Apparently Cephalons can be made without destroying the original person", we don't know

[brittle siren]

what Roathe's convo is that

[dry oracle]

He got mad at Marie and Marie got mad at me and me got mad at tagfer

[silk atlas]

Don't remember, just search "non-destructively" in the Kimulacrum and it'll show up

[swift gyro]

is it confirmed that it was a skull, but we dont know if the necraloid skull is the original one?

[silk atlas]

Well Loid original is still standing right there

[swift gyro]

i though the process needed to destroy the original or is it just a preucation of orokin to make the person suffer more?

[strange plinth]

Marie: And Monsieur Necraloid told me that it was "his" skull, though he admitted Monsieur Loid was the "original." Monsieur Loid interjected to tell me that it was a "replicated" version of his own skull.

[dry oracle]

How roathe end up being upstairs with entrati family

[silk atlas]

Roathe convo confirms it's not necessary. If it's used as a punishment, safe to say the people doing the punishing don't want to make a clone of the criminal.

[swift gyro]

thankfully.

[dry oracle]

Fashion

[swift gyro]

sometimes i think if the person who made the lore is either crazy or dont sleep at night. there are many dark facts in this lore...

[dry oracle]

Orokin we're good at fashion frame?

[brittle siren]

I mean look at their drip

I will spend everything in my pocket for Ballas signa

[dry oracle]

Some of them look great but ballas looks like he came out of the shower

[swift gyro]

they consider themself like gods, and they must think that gods have the drip, so they need to be beautifull too.

[dry oracle]

But the new ballas design is great

[brittle siren]

also spoiler question: ||how can I unlock the Loid "united" with Entrati family scene?||

[swift gyro]

i think u need to buy the things to reunite the family, idk with who npc from deimos. i can be super wrong tho.

[dry oracle]

Probably max out entrati and cavia probably

And probably finish the whole Kim conversations

Finally Marie is helping with loid units with entrati family

W roathe

[brittle siren]

I maxed both

the only thing idk is the convo

all of their note said that they will help

[cosmic badge]

I have to max cavia too?

[brittle siren]

nah (i think)

[cosmic badge]

Oh cool cause I've been panic grinding for entrati standing cause I didnt know I needed them maxed

[brittle siren]

Entrati prob needed maxed

[lean garden]

not probably, its definitely needed

[brittle siren]

oh ok

[winged flume]

Max everything, leave nothing untouched.

[fast dew]

Honestly for peace of mind, you should just max out cavia anyways

||why tf would loid go upstairs while his Albrecht's animals are literally dying||

[winged flume]

I can't wait for Hunhow to come back to the story again.

I like his voice, along with Albrechts.

[brittle siren]

I love his satire voice when he saying "friend' to the drifter

[sudden notch]

Do warframes have personality?

[dire mountain]

Yes

[sudden notch]

My goat lavos can canonically Manifest ego, that bum inaros distorts

[brittle siren]

their idle is proof + some warframe lore like Mirage, Yareli shown that they have their own personality

[dark compass]

KIM chat talks about how they retain mannerisms, abilities and such

So it's probably safe to say that a chunk of their personality is in there

[brittle siren]

what is Mag personality btw, the real Mag, not Volt

[dire mountain]

We can only really read the body language of her and since shes an early frame her idles are a bit basic

[brittle siren]

yeah that's my point, early frame need new idle

Excal is like edgy swordman while Volt is like electric mage

tbh Volt is basic too

[strange plinth]

a lot of the early frames have really basic idles
its kinda funny if you look at the speargun animations for them, because those were obv made later

[brittle siren]

and tome too

I wish there were more tome weapon

[strange plinth]

tbh i'm not sure what they could do, other than adding more direct grimoire variants like noctua

[brittle siren]

they could act like speargun too, pure support weapon

even as a dps tome could work too, for example, if you charge the alt max, it will shoot out beam for a certain duration

although this sound like Incarnon

[jolly root]

Amd stalkers incredulous look at him

[dark compass]

im gonna tell you more

a lot of the early frames straight up have the same or barely edited idles

mirage has generic idles, criminal for a frame like her

[strange plinth]

that doesn't surprise me tbh

[dark compass]

nekros has default idles but theyre edited for his arms to not move

[strange plinth]

its a good thing that her deluxe has great idles, then

[dark compass]

i feel like thats why some of the deluxe skins have idles

Mag is another frame that has "generic" idles

only her speargun is unique

[fast dew]

Probably why they included them for free lol

[sweet juniper]

Anyone else think about the time loop that the drifter created when helping Kaya and Flare?

[lean garden]

well, I thought about it, reasoned that its not a time loop, nor a paradox and went about my day

[sweet juniper]

You help flare, flare follows kaya to the future, flare helps you during the whole war before you went to bed, then you do all your tenno stuff up to 1999 and help flare.

[fast dew]

Something something eternalism

[strange plinth]

flare wouldn't make a massive impact on the naga drums, though
i'd imagine their presence goes largely unnoticed in the.. well, everything else going on

[sweet juniper]

Even though flare didn't really make a big impact, it's still interesting to think about how flare is effectively stuck in their own endless loop outside of 1999

[lean garden]

but its not an endless loop tho

once flare makes it to the night of naga drums theyre not coming back

its a one way trip

[sweet juniper]

Yes, but then you go back in time to help flare after flare helped you, then flare sends you the message they're going to the future to fight during the naga drums.

[lean garden]

but thats not a loop

[sweet juniper]

Then when the great new year reset happens, they're right back in 1999 to do it all over again no?

[lean garden]

flare isnt in a loop and neither are you

[coral mirage]

Ok, so getting stabbed through the chest, pretty sure that kills you.
But since Hunhow and Ballas had 1 respawn each, ok fine.

Also, Angels of the Zariman wasnt as hard as I thought it would be.

[strange plinth]

only 1999 is in a loop
the flare that leaves that loop never returns

[lean garden]

^

[brittle siren]

huh?

[lean garden]

before you ask about kaya, she specifically comes back to fix the loop

[strange plinth]

"You can't kill the devil, tenno, but you can send it back to hell"
yea normally, but you're not exactly normal in that situation either

[brittle siren]

and that loop is kinda out of time anyway, the timeline still flow normally outside of it, means all proto will eventually succumb to the strain

[pine orchid]

pretty sure Kaya unlocked the ability to go back and forth in time, like how Drifter can also go back and forth in time (even if mechanically a bit different)

[blissful merlin]

THISSS. She kinda has dialogue about being back in the loop after her future endeavors…

[coral mirage]

New War, Ballas stabs us in the back and through the chest.
Thats dead dead in my book.

Initially, ripping the War Blade apart, where Hunhow was inside of, was a nice and original death.
And Ballas was stabbed (but at least he had the whole weird monologue thing while we were stalking him)

Each is basically a respawn.
And we got stabbed through the back... And survive

[lean garden]

hunhow wasnt in the blade

the blade was just a fragment of hunhow

[coral mirage]

True, but come on, lets make death count for a moment

[blissful merlin]

But we didn’t even die

[coral mirage]

Also, I feel sorry for Stalker even more now

[lean garden]

like the pinky toe you touch at the start of the quest

[blissful merlin]

So how is that a death count

[coral mirage]

And more angered at Ballas. Like WTF man?

[sweet juniper]

Of all the times your operator "dies" in the mission by being shot, stabbed, and hacked to death, what makes you think being stabbed like that would kill you?

[coral mirage]

you are stabbed... from the back, through the chest.

no medical attention, nada, nothing

[blissful merlin]

We didn’t die thou

That’s very clear through the entire new war storyline….

We were sent into a loop. We didn’t die.

[strange plinth]

thrown into the void
well, drifted, i suppose

[blissful merlin]

Yet still scummed to a certain loop style

[coral mirage]

if youre talking about Al shooting us, i thought that was honestly more of a metaphorical representation.
So those were actual headshots? Also, how am I supposed to deduct that when I had not experience it yet? The only time I witness us dying was that (and the Duviri ones where it was all too psychodelic to discern where real begins and ends)

[coral mirage]

that is true, that is ok, that one gets the pass

but otherwise, alright

[strange plinth]

drifter dies once or twice? in the duviri paradox quest
then gets shot in 1999, causing them to restart the loop

[coral mirage]

he was dying endlessly, but i saw duviri as a representation of continuous trauma nightmare

as in, its a self infllicted sense of punishment for survivers guilt

[sweet juniper]

Duviri was very much real, a place the drifter willed into existence into the void.

[strange plinth]

oh, no, they actually died all those times
thrax did order their execution, and the day looped and brought them back every time

[coral mirage]

as in "What if my psychological damage was given form" and duviri happened, and then well, we escaped it (thank god)

[coral mirage]

Sweet Merciful you know who

[sweet juniper]

Duviri is a storybook about how to control your emotions during a void jump (because the void makes you go insane and kill your kids apparently.)

[coral mirage]

and thats why i thought it was more of a symbolism for trauma and overcoming it

but.... dang, poor Drifter

[strange plinth]

yea, operator got war and cryosleep, drifter got executed thousands of times

[blissful merlin]

** SIGNIFICANT DEVELOPMENT **

The Tenno's personal timeline has been disrupted. Knowing he cannot kill the Tenno, Ballas has opted to imprison them within their own history. The Tenno will be unable to escape this loop without the paradoxical intervention of an outside force.

Continuing to monitor.

With the assistance of Hunhow and the Stalker, the Drifter has fought back against Ballas, destroying the Archons.

The Tenno has been freed from their recursive timeline and now coexists with the Drifter.

[coral mirage]

And still manages to keep his rational mind... i mean, i cant picture getting stabbed endlyless and coming back whole

[sweet juniper]

The drifter was scared because of the parents going crazy cuz of the void wanting a safe place to escape to. They went out and willed duviri into existence, then got executed a bunch cuz he wanted to leave.

[coral mirage]

Dude, his life is like Daredevil then, but a million times worse

ugk... So with that said

[sweet juniper]

What the operator goes through on the mini-zariman segments during the new war is also what the drifter went through.

[strange plinth]

yea, they split at the deal

[coral mirage]

Wally... is he... basically the Void willed into being becuase the Orokin were sucking the energy out of it? I still need to do the next quest, but when Wally said "they butcher" I immediately thought "the orokin again? Come ON!"

[coral mirage]

yes that i get, hes basically operator but not being saved, hence duviri

[strange plinth]

wally's "creation" or "discovery"
whichever
is detailed mostly in albrecht's requiem notes, stored in the weird room at the back of the necralisk, with necraloid in it

[coral mirage]

thanks, gonna check that, right now with Angels wrapped up, illk make a point of it tomorrow.

[strange plinth]

not sure if they require entrati family and necraloid to be maxed to access, or if they all unlock with whispers still

[pallid spoke]

IIRC that was a bug that got patched, they do require syndicate progress now even after Whispers.

[restive river]

They didnt will it to be but yeah

[wide halo]

if i may interject

she used duviri

[strange plinth]

huh

[wide halo]

she used duviri to catapult herself to larunda

(at least that's what i remember)

[strange plinth]

she uses drifter's void travel as a lighthouse to guide her

[wide halo]

she uses the same mechanics of duviri and the void that allow the drifter to exist across timelines iirc

so, like the drifter, she both is and isnt in the future

like how the drifter both is and isnt in 1999

[strange plinth]

she's just hijacking our void travel iirc
drifter is just in one or the other

[wide halo]

she utilizes the mechanics

[lean garden]

what?

what mechanics

[strange plinth]

duviri is just part of following us through the void, not much of anything else for her

[lean garden]

The Drifter isnt both in and out of 1999, theyre able to just go when and where they please between the present and 1999

[fast dew]

I can access them?

W neutral necraloid standing too

It just says you need it, but for some reason, you dont

[coral mirage]

So the Old Peace is done, again, it's all the Orokin's fault.
I think now i remember why Wally ticks me off so much. He reminds me of Gaunter O'Dimm, albeit less visually violent on screen.
Yes, its a different perspective, but the enormous grin, the appearances whenever it wants.
Rap Tap Tap - That... Ok, that I didnt expect (also poor Rell)

I'll have to dig into what Wally is with more detail, but right now... Im just calling Space Satan

[hazy prism]

Is there like a list of stuff that exists IRL with a Warframe equivalent
E.g

• Terminator Series
• Robocop(?)
• Half Life (not even as an equivalent, just as it was irl)
• Warframe (The Game, not warframes)
• Back to the Future

[lean garden]

wdym warframe equivalent

you mean like something that exists in warframe that is based heavily on something irl?

like Robinhood being Loxley instead?

[hazy prism]

Yes

Like we know a version of King Arthur exists, Popol Vuh, possibly even Chinese Mythology (depending on what Wukong and Nezha were based off of)
And there are many media references

[lean garden]

Idt theres a list

[coral mirage]

you mean references and homages?

[hazy prism]

I only included references there but also myths, stories and historical events/people

[coral mirage]

Off the top of my head:
Vidja
Metal Gear Solid all over. The "Snaaaaaaake" Game Over scream when the Necrabot dies. Arthur is quite honestly Jet Stream Sam (Not sure who came first tbh, but Arthur looks like Sam just with Gray hair)
Again, Gaunter O'Dimm seems to be drawing parallels

Religion & Culture
Judeo-Christian Monotheism: Uriel, Angels, Devils and honestly everything in between
Asian Myth: Lotus, Wukong, Teshin. How you sit as reverence, the way you hold certain swords as a katana. The game at the beginning seems VERY inspired in Asia but switches.

Programming and Computer science
Erra is clearly referencing the word Errata, or error for short.

Psychology
There is waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay too much referencing the dream.
Trauma
Overcoming Trauma
And the side effects of trauma

Oh
Anime and Manga
Full Metal Alchemist - Again Wally and his ENORMOUS GRIN. Also the fact there is a "wall" and FMA heavily used the iconography of a "door"

Movies
Universal Soldier - Bringing back the dead to fight for you.

Star Wars - I mean... I joke about it all the time, but Umbra is basically Darth Vader to me.

[mystic lynx]

Vauban was the name of a successful French military general in the 18th century iirc
Excalibur is well the Excalibur sword
Kullervo was the name of Finnish folktale who have a similar story as kullervo ingame (framed for crimes and punished)
Dante is the name of a scholar/writer who writes the divines comedy
Probably more out there

[strange turtle]

It’s not really in the game but Protea got internally labelled as an “odalisque”

[mystic lynx]

Styanax as well with the whole spartan with shield and spear thing

[humble sierra]

So far the IRL things that are seemingly unchanged:
Gordon Freeman and Half-Life (cardboard cutouts + posters in the mall)
Alexander the Great (Lettie's line in the backroom compares Arthur to him)
Lettie's gods are ones that were worshipped IRL
Amir mentions Jeopardy - ("I'll take Kicking Your Ass for five hundred, Alex.")
Amir mentions Dracula - ("Go at 'em like Dracula at a low-cut top.")
Digital Extremes exists, but it's based in Höllvania and it's a lazy, money hungry company that tried using Techrot to make games for them.
Rebb Ford is an OnLyne fangirl

[drowsy saddle]

But parvos only has a thing for sisters

[coral mirage]

Is there a vampire in the game? Because we had space zombies.
We have ghosts (angels)

Also, not sure if theres a Frankenstein Warframe. Theres a ton of Cyborg Grineer, but actual stitch together frankenstein;s monster

[copper mountain]

Kentucky, Texas, and Mexico all exist at least as styles of pizza

[coral mirage]

Wait. Mexico and Pizza?

[humble sierra]

Xaku is technically a Frankenstein in the sense that they're made up of multiple dead Frames

[strange plinth]

revenant and garuda both kinda fit vampires, in different ways
closest thing to a 'frankenstein warframe' would be xaku

[copper mountain]

It’s pizza with “Mexican” toppings

[coral mirage]

Garuda is more Asian though, Thailand has the Garuda in a TON of government seals, its not really a vampire. Its an Anthro Eagle

Also India has a bunch of Garuda symbols

[strange plinth]

revenant has the thralls + being undead, garuda has the blood
garuda has a ton of different sources for her inspiration tho. Hindu diety of the same name is one of the main ones, but she's also based on a shrike

[coral mirage]

ah so it encapsulates multiple entities.

Ok, cool. Well off to grinding then, those fists Loid has arent going to make themselves

[hazy prism]

Oh, that Alexander reference is quite interesting. Amir truly being a fountain of references

Part of me really wants a quest set in the past ( not really important when exactly, just pre Orokin) but geographically in Asia or maybe even where Cetus is

[dark compass]

That explains get design

[barren jasper]

wait sorry but I somehow forgot? why do we want to go to Tau, whats the reasoning here

just looking for albrecht ig?

[brittle siren]

So Parvos is Jafar and Protea is Jasmine

[swift sentinel]

Lotus implies that we are also looking for a healer Sentient like Adis, but doesn't explain why.

[brittle siren]

Yep, his plans is to stop Wally, so we follow him there.

[brittle siren]

I think she also wants to know exactly what happened on Tau. Her goal of finding Albrecht slowly became curiosity too

Ballas tampered with her memory too so it makes sense that she does not know the details of Adis’ death

Also, she is paranoid about Wally tampering with her mind, and she probably just wants to get rid of it

[fast dew]

There seems to be something on Tau Albrecht really wants to get. No clue what, im not even sure he's there. The lotus mentions that the old peace had something to do with finding him "the only way to find al-(brecht)" is what lotus said, but theres nothing really in that quest that showed us anything about Albrecht other than he had a pool in the basement of the basement

[pale cedar]

We learned Operator can swim and drown too

[fast dew]

[brittle siren]

“Tau is in sight” that his clue for us

I mean Ballas did try to go there during New War

Though now I'm realizing that: if 1999 and Old Peace are happening at the same time, then how OP or Lotus know Albrecht said this to Drifter?

[strange turtle]

Presumably The Hex Part 1 has already happened

[brittle siren]

Oh I see

Though Drifter has yet to come back after part 1 though

Only at the end they transfer through one of the Vessel back

[strange turtle]

They also could know about Albrecht going to Tau because of Loid just knowing it’s the next step, or it being on POM

[hazy prism]

We knew that since PoE, we can't swim without our floaties (archwing submersible)

[brittle siren]

so it canon that Koumei can speak japanese https://fixupx.com/shieldgating/status/2008487909075325094

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[humble sierra]

Wonder who the VA is. My guess is they maybe got Alpha Takahashi to record these lines when they had her for Aoi?

[brittle siren]

or the singer of Koumei theme

[north jolt]

I've heard another theory that the Lotus also wants to find a way to regrow the Tau flowers and use them to fight off the Indifference's influence in her mind trying to take over

[vocal schooner]

Talking with Eleanor about alien life.

Is she trans? Or did I understood it wrong that tentacle comment

[north jolt]

She's talking about her tongue

[vocal schooner]

oh

to be honest, i can't see the comparison but okey haha

[fast dew]

I like this interpretation

[vocal schooner]

Also, since that convo with Elenor, there's a kind of flashback with the drifter with the Hex around and then they are connected with some kind of void link. wtf is that

i'm scared i'm doing something bad. I lose the link between Eleanor and Lettie i think

[north jolt]

You really only see it either during the cut scene of her cutting it off before almost killing Lettie or during the New Years kiss scene if you date her (it's very long and squirmy)

[fast dew]

You literally cannot fail the hex dw

[vocal schooner]

i remember that. i didn't expect she call her tongue a tentacle

[north jolt]

I mean it kinda is tbf

[fast dew]

It is similar enough

Wouldn't call it that, but it is similar

[vocal schooner]

im starting to hate lettie a lot and it's just a pixelated character

[fast dew]

Yeah shes very irritating sometimes

[tall echo]

That's you unlocking the true ending to 1999

[vocal schooner]

wut. i have now all connected except Amir

[fast dew]

Ooh

Close :)

[tall echo]

Then go get amir to like you

[fast dew]

Just make sure you rank up the hex syndicate too

[tall echo]

If they get the connections they're already high enough but ye, should max out the syndicate

[brittle siren]

That could be a reason

And she probably homesick too

[ocean geyser]

Her tongue is literally a tentacle

It’s not even a comparison that’s LITERALLY what it is

[vocal schooner]

I understood the linked thing now. Basically all went "Liked" and that little cutscene happened. It was a bit odd cuz Lettie was still Friendly, same as Quinn but when I finished all the conversations they went up to Liked

[ocean geyser]

They all vibe with you now

[vocal schooner]

So "The finale" is like the true ending? When you repeat the new year mission and such

[tall echo]

Yes

[vocal schooner]

I can finally unlock EDA

is there any other friendship level after "Liked"?

[narrow pendant]

yeah koumeis VA is Aoi's same goes for her theme

they had her in a stream before

[hazy prism]

Yes,trusted, close and bestfriend exist

FYI loved is basically equal to best friend (it's the max rank, just for up to 2 people only though)

Techrot Encore spoilers for the Roundtable
||There's also Associate, but that's a bad ending max rank for the Roundtable||

[narrow pendant]

well, ||veliminerva ||specificly

[ocean geyser]

Hm
I wonder why Varzia has silver armour

[pale cedar]

It probably isn’t silver but silver gilding

[ocean geyser]

Hm
Makes sense

Also since Itzam was a Summulyst
Do you think he would have been able to create Choralysts?

[pale cedar]

Yeah

[ocean geyser]

Makes sense
I guess he just wouldn’t want to
Hrm
Maybe the Choralysts would have individuality too..

[pale cedar]

They shouldn’t because they’re still connected to a “greater” Sentient which Itzam might be since no Lyst in name

[hazy prism]

Itzam's full name, Itzam L. Yst
/j

[ocean geyser]

I mean the lyst thing is sort of just used to denote TYPES of sentients to be fair
They’d probably get individuality if Itzam gave em xenoflora

[pale cedar]

Another thing could be is Itzam the one creating them then calling or is it say Hunhow creating them then Itzam calling them

[ocean geyser]

Huh

[pale cedar]

Are we told if the Sentient type creates them

Could just be calling them

Like we can call Air support but we didn’t physically create who actually comes

[ocean geyser]

What

I don’t even know what you’re saying anymore

I was only referring to how the “lyst” part is just to denote what kind of sentient a sentient is
Like a subspecies

Itzam can be a Summulyst and still be Itzam

[lilac aspen]

They’re saying are we positive that some types of sentient, like Itzem’s type, are creating the other Sentients themself or are they simply opening up a portal in their gut to call the others to show up

[waxen mesa]

why does Maroo break down ayatan for us?

does she keep a portion of it?

[dry oracle]

Taxes

[pale cedar]

She gets the knowledge stored on them

[raw stone]

This may just be nonsense, but there were a string of letters and numbers on the Veselek pistol skin that my friend sent me a screenshot of. Do I think its intensely lore-relevant? No.

But I could use the help decipering it. I'm at a 76% ceetainty on what the texture reads tho.

[onyx dew]

I think that's it

But I can be wrong

[raw stone]

Ah. What I sorta saw was.
N2 2-12 MIL.2-23-601 1XQ0PARA

Made in Libertatia you think? Or nah?

[onyx dew]

I'm not sure

I just thought that could be what's written there

[past halo]

I may be a bit late to the lore party but I just had a revelation: we know that the Gotva, Galariak, and Sagek Primes are the first prime Grineer items, and by technicality Protea Prime and Velox Prime are the first prime Corpus items because of Parvos and Ballas' collaboration to make her

[ocean geyser]

Ohhh

[ocean geyser]

Technically it’s more of an “Orokin weapon used by non-Orokin” kind of thing

[dawn ingot]

Hello! Sorry for what maybe seems like an obvious question but is there a list of warframes and their lore anywhere? I’d love to read up on them and their back stories

[hollow siren]

most frames have no direct lore sadly

those that do are often either just their dedicated quest or their Leverian

[dawn ingot]

Dang that’s a bit disappointing. But thank you for letting me know

[stiff beacon]

I mean Excal has a codex entry

[ocean geyser]

I would suggest the wiki if it was reliable with lore

[pale cedar]

I wouldn’t say it’s most frames anymore

[ocean geyser]

Which technically isn’t true anymore

[pale cedar]

It is

[hollow siren]

Yes it is

[pale cedar]

Nothing in the codex entry has been changed

[hollow siren]

Neither Arthur nor Umbra are the original Excalibur if that's what you think

[ocean geyser]

Nah

I mean like
The “Excalibur was the first” thing
Right?
Maybe I’m just misremembering people getting corrected about misconceptions

[pale cedar]

That’s still the case

[hollow siren]

Nothing has been changed about that

[ocean geyser]

I know a lot of people got held up about it

[hollow siren]

we even see in Ballas' Vitruvian what is presumably the first Excalibur mutating

[ocean geyser]

Maybe I’m thinking of people thinking primes were first

[pale cedar]

That’s the one bit of lore DE never change

[hollow siren]

yeah a lot of people assume Prime means exclusively Oldest/First

[pale cedar]

And yes it’s the Prime thing that got changed

[lilac aspen]

Primes were basically
The elites

There’s warframes
Then there’s prime warframes

[hollow siren]

it's likely that some original frames got Primed, but

[pale cedar]

Some started Prime
Some earned it

[hollow siren]

the relation between the Prime and Base can vary from frame to frame

[lilac aspen]

To be a prime Warframe means either they were made to be an elite offrip, earned the title of prime and was upgraded into one, or did a based and became prime themself

[pale cedar]

Lavos decided to be the exception to that rule

[hollow siren]

So until an exact individual lore is given for that frame specifically, there's no assumptions we can make

[ocean geyser]

Lavos being goated as usual

[hollow siren]

tbf the Orokin were never gonna Prime the alchemist Lavos

they would hate him

[lilac aspen]

Lavos and Revenant truly just looked at Ballas and decided to defy everything

[lilac aspen]

More like fear him

[ocean geyser]

Same thing tbh

[strange plinth]

the alchemist, no
the prison warden, probably at some point

[ocean geyser]

Is the running theory that the Unum primed Revenant?

[strange plinth]

yea, his prime armor mentions her

[lilac aspen]

Ballas being salty over it

[ocean geyser]

Ballas moment

[pale cedar]

The worse thing is the fact Ballas sees Warframes as his children

[hollow siren]

One theory is that it's sorta her making a "what-if?" of the Warden's original Primed mody with the Revenant's Eidolon powers

[lilac aspen]

I don’t think he sees them as his children

I think he uses the father term in more comparison to creator. Kind of like how Oppenheimer is the “father” of the atomic bomb

[pale cedar]

I still think Warden was a title rather than the frame name

[lilac aspen]

Ballas is the “Father” of warframes

[hollow siren]

oh yeah, we just don't know its actual original name so

technically "The Revenant" is also a title, it just became its name now since its original name is forgotten

[strange plinth]

-# though it is a little funny if "Warden" was the proper name given that "Warden" is also what totally-not-ballas is named in duviri

[lilac aspen]

DE when are we getting the Ballas frame

A frame with the sheer dramatic energy of Ballas

[ocean geyser]

Does he get the long arm

[lilac aspen]

He clearly should get the long arm as an exalted

[pale cedar]

Infestation probably removes the long arm when the flesh takes over

[ocean geyser]

Infestation hates the long arms

[hollow siren]

Ancients have it

[strange plinth]

unless designed to keep it, i suppose
the question is if ballas would give one of his creations such a thing

[ocean geyser]

I wonder why Roathe didn’t have long arm

Then again he was probably on the front lines

[lilac aspen]

Probably because he was on the front lines and actively combating

[hollow siren]

We know Albrecht didn't have it so it's possible Roathe didn't either

[ocean geyser]

Long arm might make it harder to fight yeah

[pale cedar]

Cuz the Uriel strain didn’t have a long arm

[hollow siren]

and yeah Roathe might have been Continuing so much he just didn't bother

[lilac aspen]

And Orokin can easily modify their bodies

“Oop, going to war, I need my war arm.”

[pale cedar]

Would a longer arm really make it harder to fight?

[strange plinth]

somewhat impractical i think
though it could be adapted to

[ocean geyser]

I mean
It’d probably be slower to move maybe

[hollow siren]

That's more of your reach that's not a weapon, so kinda makes you a bigger target

[lilac aspen]

Usually you’d want even arms for balance and stuff

So having one big arm kinda makes you imbalanced for more intensive movements along with being an easier target

Also would probably make you more noticeable

“H m, that one has a long arm, must be the one calling the shot.”

[pale cedar]

Well the blue skin is already a giveaway on the one calling the shots

[lilac aspen]

I’m going by the assumption of them being armored up like the other soldiers and all that

Immortal but not invulnerable and all that

[pale cedar]

Maybe he was in a tent commanding the troops rather than always on front lines

[hollow siren]

No he was out fighting

Nitokh was the one in the tent

Roathe was a strategist and commander but he was also a soldier

[pale cedar]

Isn’t that bit of an issue then considering his other role?

[lilac aspen]

Continuity usually removes the risks of permanently dying on the battlefield

[pale cedar]

True

[lilac aspen]

Usually

Roathe had plot armor to make it that long without getting obliterated from existence at some point

[pale cedar]

Guess there is emergency continuity

[lilac aspen]

Probably

[pale cedar]

Where it’s temporary revive like when Ordan started swinging

[strange turtle]

Also a lot of people seem to forget but. Those longer arms come with equally longer fingers. Aside from looking really freaky those would just in general be really impractical for combat, even with custom designed gear to account for it

Like you think “oh yeah it makes sense they’d have longer fingers” and then you actually look and pay attention to them and it’s like. Damn

[hollow siren]

yeah Ballas' fingers are like the length of Lotus' forearms

if not longer

[tacit carbon]

I'm good with my normal hands thank you

But I'm of the opinion maybe he altered his arm as needed? Battle time? Normie arms. Stupid pompous ceremony nonsense? Sigh better put the long boi on

[strong viper]

Arm to leg ratio is what matters.

Too long, then yes

[lilac aspen]

Born in an era where you can freely body mod yourself

[tacit carbon]

Right? Like dress uniform. Best show up to the pompous nonsense with the longer arm even if it annoys you

[strong viper]

Perhaps its showing their warped sense of arrogance and excess. Ego over function.

He's a politician, to the core.

Their being the society at the time, of course, not necessarily Ballas and cohorts.

[wind ruin]

There is; Roathe tells you about one incident. And yes, Roathe was on the front lines.

[crude robin]

so all this narmer thing with Pazul being a Ram archon using Erra's body being the masterming while The snake, owl, and wolf are minions, made me think of Zootopia

[inland mango]

ok so real question (kinda nsfw) ||but how do protoframes have intercourse? i ask because its heavily implied that the drifter has said relationships w their romances from the dialogue w eleanor, lettie and others||

[dry oracle]

Um

Just imagine it

[silk atlas]

We dunno. Quincy implies they still have their bits but despite all the nsfw-adjectent crap going on in this game, I severely doubt we're getting an actual explanation

[inland mango]

im asking because it feels so weird. ||arent their bodies infested?||

[dry oracle]

No

[pale cedar]

We know they definitely won’t be able to have kids no matter how hard they try

[strange plinth]

yea, helminth injection n all that

[dry oracle]

My drifter is oblivious and my protoframe is freaky

[silk atlas]

That one should be plain as day, yes

[inland mango]

hows that?

[inland mango]

which makes it all weirder i guess

[pale cedar]

Jade was already pregnant when she got infected and the Infestation was basically blocking the baby from coming out

[dry oracle]

I'm starting to think the hex members are horn

With a y

[strange plinth]

ya think?

[dry oracle]

Eleanor and quincy being freaks all time

[inland mango]

i mean isnt marie body 90% frame

[dry oracle]

Littie, aoi are chill

[strange plinth]

mhm, definitely

[inland mango]

weird. eleanor says they could have little babies

[pale cedar]

Eleanor was more flirting than being serious

[inland mango]

theyre all chill unless u flirt w em

[dry oracle]

Which one is that

[strange plinth]

lettie

[dry oracle]

Without the romance thingy

I meant *

[inland mango]

mhm... makes me wonder if its possible to cure them, after all. drifter and their romance deserve a happy ending.

[silk atlas]

As far as we know they're screwed

[strange plinth]

unlikely
helminth's whole thing is subsuming & transformation

[inland mango]

what if they find a sentient like adis?

[dry oracle]

Rare

[inland mango]

i mean, he was capable of ||ressurrecting the operator||

[dry oracle]

Lotus can heal i think

[strange plinth]

the limits of the healing adis does are not known
and we know the sentients are countered, at least somewhat, by the infestation

[inland mango]

rare indeed, but i think thats the main plot of the Tau questline we'll be having

[dry oracle]

Each sentients has unique powers (some of them)

[strange plinth]

yea, not sure if adis's healing could do anything for a warframe, or a protoframe. they're being transformed on a molecular level, basically

[inland mango]

too early to say, i guess. if they can ress someone from death itself... who knows

[silk atlas]

They aren't dying from being turned into a Warframe is the issue, so healing likely won't do anything because there's nothing that's damaged.

[inland mango]

but maybe they could restore their bodies to their original state

[strange plinth]

that's what i was trying to get at, just couldn't find the words, thanks

[dry oracle]

It only heals the damage not cure the infection

[silk atlas]

Big "could", and not why Lotus would want Adis for anyway

Or someone with a power like Adis's

That's why she mentioned "our kind"

[inland mango]

ik lotus most likely ||wants to heal herself since shes being affected heavily by the indifference||

[lilac aspen]

They’re only countered in the way of how the infestation are one of the few entities that the Sentients can’t overwhelm with tactics

Aka
“These things are annoying, let’s just let them keep this place.”

[inland mango]

still, im optimistic about the protoframes future

[silk atlas]

Given Flare basically gave up trying to find a cure, doubtful

[lilac aspen]

If anything
Sentients can be used to affect the infestation in some ways
Considering we have injected the boil that shows up on earth with a chemical made from sentient enhanced antibodies

[silk atlas]

They just said "Aight gonna take a fat nap and meet up for the Naga Drums"

[lilac aspen]

However
That being said

I wouldn’t want to inject my friends with a “cure” that’d just kill them instead

To cure our Protoframe friends, we need to simultaneously kill off the infestation and regrow the parts the infestation completely replaced

[dry oracle]

Perhaps if they could clone the hex member human body and use body swap thingy the orokin used to do

[inland mango]

now that is interesting...

[lilac aspen]

Doubt it
At this point their DNA has become one with the infestation stuff

[strange plinth]

||the infestation interferes with continuity, preventing it entirely||
roathe chats ^

[lilac aspen]

Since the infestation likes to do the funny “TOGETHAAAAA”

https://tenor.com/view/togethaaaaaa-elden-ring-rykard-gif-12188719819838231991

[dry oracle]

Go back in time and get blood sample

Kaya can time travel

[strange plinth]

only to where we've been, though

[lilac aspen]

Kaya did have help knowing the exact places to go and stuff

And we had help from Helminth to get to 1999

Basically for anyone to go back before anyone got infestation and stuff

We’d need an actual Time Machine
BUT SOMEONE decided to hit it with a comically large clock hammer

[nova talon]

If descendia is roathes mind how can there be enemies from current times and duviri? Scaldra, limnus, corpus?

[strange plinth]

it seems to be a mixture of the people experiencing it
pulls the enemies from our mind, some rooms from marie and lyon, but most of it is roathe

[pale cedar]

It’s a memory place nothing says it can only pull from his memories

[nova talon]

Well that’s makes sense

[restive river]

They will all succumb to the infestation, that is an inevitability

[pale cedar]

Unless they get nuked first

[restive river]

Yup!

[wind ruin]

Trading one form of immortality for another, basically. Can't use Continuity if your personality, memories, and soul are anchored to the Infestation hivemind.

[strange turtle]

<@&778745217037238293>

Multiple channels

[wind ruin]

someone delete this again please. It appeared yesterday too.

[loud oriole]

would be a form of grandfather paradox, if we go back to get a clean blood sample to heal the Hex, then we wouldn't need to go back in time to get the blood sample in the first place since they never succumbed to the helminth strain

[strange turtle]

Not grey strain, helminth

Grey strain is the gigantism one on Deimos

[loud oriole]

my bad lol, too many infestation variants

[strange turtle]

And with the solution proposed, the curing would be happening in the present, so no paradox

[loud oriole]

ah fair, my thought was;
go back in time for clean sample and then jump ahead to where entrati first jabbed them, that way the infestation has only modified a small amount of DNA as opposed to trying to fix a ~75% converted body

-# and now that i think about it, actually that would probably start a parallel universe or fully over-write everything in the current origin system timeline

[wind ruin]

Time travel can, apparently, overwrite existing events. For instance, the Infestation was originally the invention of mad scientists trying to create clones. But now the Infestation is mad scientists coming across the dead remains of Roathe and Entrati's Helminths and using them as a basis for a way to create clones. At least, that's what I think is happening. It's a paradox of the same kind as the Operator/Drifter. Both histories are true.

[fast dew]

Wait what where did that last part come from?

[wind ruin]

YOu havent' read the terminal near Aoi?

[fast dew]

As far as im aware it doesnt mention anything about roathe?????

Because.

[wind ruin]

||... "It was remarkably difficult to reverse engineer a Helminth from my own infested blood without electricity."||

[fast dew]

Yeah and like

What makes you think its still alive???

[wind ruin]

It isn't alive, it's dead. I said that.

[stiff fable]

Hold up no that's not the origin of the Infestation

[fast dew]

||... so, if the helminth roathe came in with... died... and he couldn't use that as a way to make another helminth... why would the one that died... be a way to make another helminth||

[wind ruin]

Have you not read the terminal near Aoi, then?

[stiff fable]

That's the first currently known commercial use-case for it, but we still don't know what it is or where it's from

[wind ruin]

Please re-read what I wrote carefully.

[fast dew]

Also

Albrecht didnt use a helminth to time travel???

[stiff fable]

No I have but that isn't the origin of it, just why the Technocyte Coda defaults to the On-lyne boys

[fast dew]

I think the only helminth he had was the strains and the shit in the backrooms

Which are. Still alive. Very much alive

[fast dew]

... "using them as a basis to make clones" dude. If Roathe's one is dead, then it's not going to be found and used as a basis for clones.

Nor is Albrecht's, the helminth infestation does seem to be a new one for 1999

[wind ruin]

Read up on mushroom spores. Read up on yeast.

[fast dew]

Also, helminth infestation can't spread without FLUID, interestingly

[fast dew]

Yeah not how the helminth works

[wind ruin]

Technocyte can 'bloom' from its 'dead/inert' spores.

[fast dew]

The helminth is explicitly transmitted like a bloodborne pathogen. You need to have fluid get in your bloodstream for it to have any affect

Why do you think the protos don't go infesting everyone they interact with?

Or the warframes?

[wind ruin]

So think about how real life scientists can culture yeast from 1000 year old dead spores and think on what scientists who have no idea what the technocyte is might experiment on dead material found in the bowels of the Cathedral of the Luminaries.

[fast dew]

Okay so if an OROKIN couldn't do it from the time it died what makes you think random scientists can do it?

[stiff fable]

We know they didn't because the Infestation didn't originally come from there

[wind ruin]

They obviously didn't recreate the helminth. But they did manage to mangle it into the Techrot strain.

[fast dew]

That. That was Albrecht

[stiff fable]

Entrati did not paradox the infestation into existence

[fast dew]

Thats a new addition. The helminth is new

[wind ruin]

And this is where Euleria's lectures on Eternalism come in.

[fast dew]

No.

[strange plinth]

what

[silk atlas]

Not even close

[fast dew]

No. Don't even start.

[strange plinth]

lmao

[stiff fable]

hahahahahaha

But really DE should never have done the eternalism thing

[fast dew]

Roathe has a lot of those for some reason

They've done it once, twice?

[stiff fable]

Because the ONE and ONLY thing that it has ever applied to is Operator/Drifter

[fast dew]

Eh we have that baro last year

Its the fans that ruined it

[stiff fable]

(not eternalism that's Wally being Wally)

[strange plinth]

might've had something to do with rev prime
but yea its main use is drifter

[wind ruin]

"What is the core thesis of 'The Palimpsest of Spacetime'?
A: Events can be rewritten; traces of the original persist"

[fast dew]

Wonder how many people didnt realise it was Mother narrating duviri and the zariman teacher?

[stiff fable]

It tends to be something that people pick up later

[fast dew]

I realised rather quickly, its funny folk didnt realise

[stiff fable]

Most figure it out during Duviri

[fast dew]

She has such a recognisable voice

[frank verge]

Is it just me or does Ash's head look like a Head Crab?

[stiff fable]

I'm never going to unsee that, thanks

[fast dew]

Or this is me being a woman lover and knowing her voice to heart, either way

Mother is so pretty

[dry oracle]

Not to heal but create a clone of the hex and body swap like the orokin used to do

[silk atlas]

Infestation stops Continuity, Roathe complains as much about it

[proven spire]

tbf everything in this game starts to make sense once you understand the fundamentals of eternalism as a concept

[dry oracle]

Wth

[strange plinth]

we were just talking about how eternalism is used once or twice, and not after that

[dry oracle]

<@&778745217037238293>

[stiff fable]

<@&778745217037238293> spammer

Oh whoop mb

Thanks folks

[silk atlas]

The only times it is relevant are Drifter/Operator, and Baro's deal.

Everything else should be explained with singular timeline stuff before even thinking about Eternalism

[proven spire]

nah it's not limited to them, the entire universe of this game operates on the concept's ruleset

[stiff fable]

The only other thing that runs on Eternalism is The Hex finale

Because they remember you changing how that went

[strange plinth]

yea. but that doesn't matter outside of when eternalism is actually utilized. you can look at everything else in a single timeline without issue

[silk atlas]

It's not that it's limited to just them, it's that there's no other times where Eternalism's main crux, the Void, is the thing that makes us even care about the fact it exists as a concept. If the Void wasn't a thing we'd just be using plain old Presentism, and even with Eternalism being a thing, that doesn't mean that things can't just have a non-Eternalism explanation, like with the whole Infested convo above.

The Void doesn't always do stuff that needs to invoke Eternalism either, in a similar vein.

[proven spire]

exactly, the void exists and so does eternalism in this fictional universe and this world's history and events operate around it

[silk atlas]

...Yeah but that doesn't mean you throw it around willy-nilly to explain every little thing in the game

That's the argument here.

[restive river]

Eternalism isn’t even used that much

[silk atlas]

Eternalism just isn't relevant to most of the world's history.

[proven spire]

yeah like for example, it's not eternalism if we kill a grineer or something

[restive river]

It solidly explains two things in association with Wally, the only known entity that accesses it and maybe explains Rev Prime (Unum may also be able to)

[restive river]

Branching timelines =/= eternalism

[proven spire]

but it is eternalism when something weird like the whole harrow and rell thing happened

[proven spire]

when did i mention branching timelines

[restive river]

How?

[restive river]

You didn’t, but I’m specifying that it isn’t

[silk atlas]

What are you even talking about?

[restive river]

I think they’re talking about what Lyon experiences which
Still isn’t eternalism

[proven spire]

What are you even talking about?

[proven spire]

it is eternalism in action, it's literally right there but nuh uh it's not eternalism

[strange plinth]

can you elaborate a bit more

[proven spire]

okay so

first

[restive river]

Yes please explain how that’s eternalism

[proven spire]

what is Eternalism?

raise your hands

[silk atlas]

I'm not caught up on the KIMs, this was genuine.

[proven spire]

so no one can define what eternalism is on here?

you all get an F, you fail the zariman school

lore channel smh

[restive river]

I was waiting for you

You clearly wanted the floor and I wanted to see what you’d say lmao

[strange plinth]

yea you're still not explaining how "the whole harrow and rell thing" is connected to eternalism

[silk atlas]

It'd help if I knew what "the whole Harrow and Rell thing" was in the first place

I never made any mention of it being Eternalism or not because I didn't know what you were talking about

[proven spire]

Lyon being connected to all of the Harrows and Rell himself throughout space and time is evidence of Eternalism

[restive river]

I’m assuming it’s Lyon’s connection which
Sounds more like a feedback loop due to the strain and Rell’s connection to Harrow more than it is Eternalism

[proven spire]

yeah a feedback loop that travels between past present and future

because they all exist simultaneously

that's what eternalism is right?

[strange plinth]

i'd tie that to the helminth's relationship with time more than eternalism itself
which are not the same thing

[restive river]

Or
Infestation go brrr

[proven spire]

the helminth's relationship with time huh

time

a universe that operates on the concept that past present and future all exist at once and with enough power can travel between different frames of time or exist simultaneously in all of them

[loud oriole]

since im BFFs with Lyon;
apparently before the Harrow strain, Lyon ||witnessed Rell's shadow figures that wanted him to murder his parents. he ran until he was tired and then in a last ditch effort tried to make a compromise because it seemed like they wanted blood so he took his knife and stabbed his left eye out.

so yeah some how Rell influenced Lyon years before he even met Entrati||

or even the indifference ig ^

[fast dew]

Eternalism is the concept of multiple timelines existing at once, including past, present and future. Unlike presentism which is that only the present will exist
-# I think

[proven spire]

you get an A

no + bc you forgot to add the whole consequences can persist if ever something is altered

[fast dew]

Got close enough

[proven spire]

gold star

[fast dew]

I was focusing on Euleria's dad's portrait on the wall over what she was saying

[loud oriole]

good ol' crazy scientist entrati

[fast dew]

Ik its probably just coincidence but notably, his was the only one to fall

[proven spire]

have you seen the maddened version of the portait in descendia

[fast dew]

Eh, im impassive to it.

[strange plinth]

prolly for the viewer rather than the operator. symbolism or something

[fast dew]

I dont like how that they kinda just. Photobashed the og portrait with the new one

[proven spire]

https://vxtwitter.com/shieldgating/status/2006751061777018902?s=20

Warframe Archival (@shieldgating)

Comparison of Albrecht Entrati's portrait in the Zariman and in Descendia

vxTwitter / fixvx · Jan 1, 2026, 3:35 PM

[strange plinth]

imo it makes sense, roathe's probably seen that portrait all over. corrupting that image into the new one seems fairly likely

[fast dew]

Overlayed

[fast dew]

I mean yeah but theres also the possibility that it was just laziness 😭

Its weird bcs its specifically the chest/torso

[loud oriole]

-# how it feels to chew 5 gum

[fast dew]

The hands look weird, not to mention one hand is disjointed from the arm itself

[proven spire]

maybe wally has albrecht hostage like rusalka idk

[fast dew]

I get artistic choices with anatomy, but only when they are related to the character

I can't think of a logical reason as to why Albrecht's hand would be disjointed

Because this is very obvious representative of the void incident, so the eyes being blown out is understandable

[strange plinth]

i'd rather hope it was intentional than pin it on laziness, tbh. but its possible, yeah

[fast dew]

I want to see it like that

[restive river]

||Lyon also says he didn’t have the memories or tie to Rell/Wally til he took the serum||

[restive river]

He’s been chasing him, how would he have him hostage if he’s been chasing him.

[dry oracle]

So weird why I got confess feeling to Marie while I'm romance with lyon

[fast dew]

Broken

[dry oracle]

Double date? 😳

[fast dew]

[strange plinth]

Marie has a few convos that don't check if you're dating anyone but still show the [confess] anyway
idk what it would do, and i don't really want to find out

[dry oracle]

Screw her man I'd rather get littie

[loud oriole]

so more than likely its just polluted memories and/or a mix of the Harrow strain carrying trace amounts of Rell or something

[proven spire]

ooh i'm gonna catch you 😂

[dry oracle]

She still says no

[restive river]

Yes that id what he wants

That and his finger

And to eat universes for their possibilities

[proven spire]

the severed fingies that are used for space travel

all of this seems so familiar i just can't put my finger on it

[loud oriole]

cool wifi at work bugged out so I restarted discord and it removed the reply to ducky

[dry oracle]

Finally got lyon to help me with loid

And now back to the entrati rank farming

DE always finds a way to force players to max rank thingy

[restive river]

Yeah that seems the most likely

[loud oriole]

then again, we experienced something similar trying to bond with Umbra, since we say ourselves "i killed him, Isaah" when we in fact did not, it was Umbra who did

[restive river]

That was transference though

And iirc also due to the unique bolt that Umbra has

Iirc Vitruvian Ordis says something about us possibly internalizing it
And then we did just that

[loud oriole]

similar in the sense of a memory feeling like one of ours, but everything else is dissimilar

[restive river]

Ye

[still frigate]

The infestation no matter which strain is connected through space and time right? Or did I misunderstand?

[restive river]

Their relationship with time certainly is not linear

[lean garden]

I mean, if you think about it its all linear to them

its just not our line of thought

[restive river]

Non-linear to us :p

To them it’s all at once all the time essentially iirc

Quite literally a matter of perspective

[lean garden]

I am a staunch supporter of the notion that time travel movies are never confusing if you stick to the path of the traveler

so yes, that includes tenet, even as it goes both ways

[loud oriole]

time is relative or what ever Einstein proposed lol

[still frigate]

hmm okay

[restive river]

1000%

[still frigate]

I was going to do comparisons in voicelines like with Chains of Harrow & Old Peace

[proven spire]

The infested hivemind can travel throughout different points in the timeline

[still frigate]

and Lizzie has like 1-2 minimum lines that are similar with other voicelines, one being Jordas

[lean garden]

is it really counted as travel if the mind is already there?

[still frigate]

maybe more if i keep going

[restive river]

It’s more like it’s at all points in the timeline than traveling from my understanding

[proven spire]

Yes just like the indifference

[restive river]

So long as the infestation physically exists in space it’s mind is throughout all of it’s history in time

[restive river]

What

[proven spire]

Exists throughout all of time because of eternalism

[restive river]

Wally exists within the void which has untime

He can access eternalism tho for sure

[proven spire]

It has already infected the timeline and thus now exists in it all throughout

[lean garden]

imo wally really only travels around to where albrecht has been

so its not like wally can zip all the way to the primal protozoa

[restive river]

Wdym infected the timeline, we keep snapping his strands before he can do much of anything

[strange plinth]

this is how we get dinoframe,,

[proven spire]

I think it encompasses all points simultaneously

[restive river]

All he does is sit in the void, speak through his pieces and follow Albrecht as best he can

[loud oriole]

and occasionally pop in to say hi to us before giggling and vanishing

[proven spire]

Maybe it doesn’t chase events because it’s already everywhere we go

[restive river]

“Speak through his pieces”

[loud oriole]

ah myb lol

[restive river]

Lol

[proven spire]

Infinite strands that keep growing as we keep cutting them down

[loud oriole]

maybe with all these strands wally keeps making, maybe he's trying to knit us (into) a sweater

[strange plinth]

seems like he has to dedicate a decent amount of resources to actually try to tie down a strand of khra
the fragmented's whole purpose is doing so, and we keep taking them out before they can do anything

[restive river]

Not infinite, only as many as there are his heralds that we continuously stop

[pine orchid]

but it's still theoretically accessible! we just have to find a way to put it to practice, maybe make Albrecht build another time machine this time to dino times Xd

[restive river]

CONCEPTUALLY EMBODIED TIME SWEATER!!!

[proven spire]

Yeah continuously

[restive river]

Read Greyscale’s message

If it was infinite we’d be overrun by him and his heralds ages ago

[proven spire]

That’s because it’s our job lol

[restive river]

Okay, it’s still not infinite

[pine orchid]

what if he's just toying with us... 😔

[restive river]

He’s not a god.

[dry oracle]

Who

[loud oriole]

Indifference

[restive river]

Wally’s not a god

[stiff fable]

Wally

[proven spire]

Theorized as a being born out of conceptual embodiment

[lean garden]

wally the pissant aint neva a god

[stiff fable]

Losing the finger really messed him up, he has to play by the rules of causality now.

[restive river]

Not unless we truly perceive and fear him as one, possibly

[loud oriole]

if wally was a god, we would have lost the second Ball Arse opened the huge portal to the void

[strange plinth]

if not long before

[stiff fable]

Or rather, the second Albrecht opened the first Void portal

[lean garden]

then homeboy neva a god because ill neva perceive it as such

[restive river]

Or whoever opened it

[stiff fable]

Then again, he might be a god in the Greek mythology sense

[restive river]

REAL!!!

Now if Drifter could just
Stop
Calling him that

[loud oriole]

-# or before the universe was even conceived

[proven spire]

Wally has quantum superpositioned himself into the timeline 🧠

[restive river]

It is actually the most annoying thing ever that Drifter keeps saying that

[stiff fable]

Someone years ago theorized that Wally was a genie out of middle eastern myth

[restive river]

Okay that would be a cool update tho

[stiff fable]

A primordial being of chaos from before the universe's birth

[proven spire]

Nope

[restive river]

He’s def a thing of entropy

[proven spire]

He was born out of human consciousness from the void

[restive river]

Probably!

We can’t really prove that entirely

[dry oracle]

He just a man who's stuck in the wall

[stiff fable]

I'm pretty sure Albrecht put a face on entropy itself

[restive river]

And the answer will likely never be revealed

[proven spire]

A human embodied concept that is trying to infect the eternal timeline

So what is the hivemind exactly

[lean garden]

I spit on wally, pissant wont find harbour in hades or olympus

[stiff fable]

A gestalt consciousness

[dry oracle]

Think of it as bee hive

[proven spire]

It’s a corporeal consciousness that has the desire to consume

[stiff fable]

Maybe Tartaros

[proven spire]

Was it also born out of conceptual embodiment

[pine orchid]

I see drifter calling him a god like, in reference to how powerful he is 🤷‍♂️
like a god whose domain is specifically rose plants or smth they're teeny compared to like gods of ocean or war but still a god, yknow?

[stiff fable]

I don't think it IS corporeal, any more than your mind is corporeal

[lean garden]

My warframe is strong

but also his power? I spit on it too

aint even in control over its own domain

sorry "domain"

because its not his

[restive river]

Regardless I think it’s best if we don’t even give him that much
If he is influenced based off our perception, our fear then the more powerful he is in our minds the more powerful he will be and the harder he will be to stop

[stiff fable]

That is of course assuming Roathe is right

[restive river]

He has control over his walls ig
Smashed em right into the lab

[pine orchid]

ah we should call wally "power level over 9000" instead of god Xd

[stiff fable]

And he's an Orokin so I'm not betting on it

[lean garden]

Wally wants our light so much but once we cast a light on this little monster we've created, it aint scary at all, like a lump of clothes on a chair

[lean garden]

roathe is right only because he's been saying what Im saying

[restive river]

I’m with Bau for calling him a pissant

[loud oriole]

-# all wally is, is just a entropic photocopier that has a short

[lean garden]

https://tenor.com/view/dirty-docks-shawty-triflin-shawty-triflin-she-gif-22455514

[loud oriole]

yeah, hes only powerful in his domain where he makes the rules, but in the origin system and duviri he has to confide by the rules we/are established

[stiff fable]

You know what I can genuinely respect that

[proven spire]

Us fighting the murmur is only delaying the inevitable, that’s why albrecht is trying to find an alternative way to defeat the indifference

[stiff fable]

(But for what it's worth we haven't been to his part of the Void yet)

(so far he's been intruding on ours)

[dry oracle]

So what if the protoframe person transfer their consciousness into a human clone version by doing the orokin thingy or does the infestation prevent it from transferring?

[pine orchid]

I think Roathe mentioned he cant do continuity anymore

bcs of the infestation specifically, bt I cant remember where he mentions it

[dry oracle]

Idk maybe there's something that could help with the transfer

[strange plinth]

can't remember the specific wording he uses to find the convo, either

[lean garden]

might be a voiced line

[proven spire]

It would be very funny if when the indifference is defeated the orokin empire also gets deleted from the timeline as well lmao

[dark compass]

He talks about finally being mortal

So yeah continuity is definitely off

[dry oracle]

Google said something about indifference having a reality warp in his place/domain

Indifference is immortal?

[silk atlas]

We have no reason to think he's immortal

[proven spire]

No kuva no continuity no finger engines

[loud oriole]

time doesn't exist in the void, so wally cannot experience time so in his stomping grounds he's 'immortal'

[stiff fable]

I hope that Google and not ai, because the ai is definitely taking someone's reddit post

[dry oracle]

That's Google

[stiff fable]

Phew. Okay.

[silk atlas]

Just to make sure, you're not reading the AI Overview?

[stiff fable]

(Still wrong or at least not said in-game)

[dry oracle]

I did check