lore-discussion

[fast dew]

She plays it off but its very clearly her

[prime grove]

You're right about that

[strange plinth]

hits us with the "I've no idea what you're talking about..." and then keeps talking

[frank condor]

well that likely answers how Fibonacci fights, unless his Necramech is also a fish that survives in water

[prime grove]

CURSE YOU BAYLE! I HERE BY VOW YOU SHALL RUE THIS DAY!

[loud oriole]

-# Albrecht even built him a specialized necramech he can operate since yknow... FISH /j

[marble timber]

Before getting 'sick' umbra overheard/discovered something ballas was hiding

From what I have heard

[fast dew]

WHY IS THE ORB ALBRECHT YOUR PFP.

I KNOW WHO MADE THAT IMAGE.

[marble timber]

I saw it here once, and found it funny

[strange plinth]

they took it from you lmfao

[fast dew]

THAT WOULDVE BEEN ME POSTING JT 😭

[marble timber]

Idk who posted it

[fast dew]

I do

[marble timber]

I just saw it
and

I knew

[fast dew]

Mate of mine. They're currently playing a board game with their family

They are also responsible for this

[strange plinth]

that's why he's there according to ballas and umbra, yes, but isaah? anyone else who would've known that ballas is there? what're they thinking

[marble timber]

Whats their user? Would probably be good of me to credit them in my about

[frank condor]

what no sonic or trains does to a mofo in the orokin era

[fast dew]

I actually cant tell you that 😭 they don't mind as far as I know

[marble timber]

Aight

[fast dew]

I cant tell you that because their user is full of questionable content regarding loid and I think the mods will smite me for it

[marble timber]

Well you can let them know some random discordian made it their whole personality

[strange plinth]

indeed it was

[frank condor]

guys, do you think DE will make us kill entrati

[marble timber]

I hope

[fast dew]

We wont kill him. But he is dying.

[frank condor]

like i think he's a jerk but i don't think he's a villain

[marble timber]

Yeah

He is a jerk. I would at least like to stab him a few times

[frank verge]

CURSE YOU BALLAS! I HEREBY VOW YOU SHALL RUE THIS DAY!

[frank condor]

bring him back to everyone he hurt just so they can all kick him

[fast dew]

I like to point out nicer ends of Albrecht's personality

Like him keeping his Daughter's book in the netracells

[marble timber]

I feel like thats the bare minimum as a parent

[fast dew]

And said book being based on bedtime stories he told her as a kid

[marble timber]

Like

"Child, you can keep your property"

[frank verge]

Did the warframe spared any orokins?

[fast dew]

No, its a widely produced book

[frank condor]

"what a good story, okay animals into the void you go"

[fast dew]

Its the fact Albrecht kept it

[frank verge]

Or was it a full No Russian on the Orokin Empire

[marble timber]

No russian

[strange plinth]

ballas, technically
the others that survived escaped

[frank condor]

the Orokin caste technically here

[frank verge]

Even the youngling?

[fast dew]

When it wasn't needed to be kept. Its not like he kept literally any other book

[frank condor]

how did ballas get spared again?

[marble timber]

Orokin is a caste rank

[frank verge]

Ah nice

[marble timber]

So unlikely there were child orokin

[frank condor]

my dude the younglings ARE the ones you want to kill first if they're Orokin. that's not a youngling thats an Orokin who stole their body

[fast dew]

Debatable if a young orokin is just a orokin who chose that body

[frank verge]

Ohhhhh

I get more lore now

[strange plinth]

the naga drums were orchestrated by him, he was never a target
natah was meant to use the tenno to kill the orokin, then kill the tenno
she just faltered on that last step

[marble timber]

Orokin is basically the same thing as a Noble

[fast dew]

My theory is that actual children in the orokin caste have no long arm

[marble timber]

more of a title/status than race

[frank condor]

it was an inside job!??!?!

[marble timber]

Would make sense, since the kuva stuff

[frank verge]

As a historian. And a EDO PERIOD ONE AT THAT. valid. They all have to die

[strange plinth]

lmfao yeah

[normal mountain]

The Sacrifice tells that story

[fast dew]

Its a caste, so there can be children (see the entrati family), but yeah

[frank condor]

every single time the dialogue gets prosey my brain shuts off because i'm a rhino main

[marble timber]

Its hard to believe there is NO aliens in warframe aside from the tau and infested

Even then those are semi-artifical

[fast dew]

The flowers are

[frank verge]

Man in the wall counts as alien

[frank condor]

Tau technically has the only alien species and its the flowers

[marble timber]

Fair nuff

[fast dew]

Ehhh. He was still probably man made

[marble timber]

But no like. People aliens

[normal mountain]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-shadow-stalker-new-war-hunhow-gif-27625690

[marble timber]

I'd doubt it

Seems like its like a avatar for the void

[fast dew]

Eh. I believe on Albrecht's theory on it.

Idk why our drifter refused to

[frank verge]

Understandable. I want to commit warcrimes and destroy bloodlines not read

[fast dew]

That theory is Albrecht's btw, not Roathe's

[frank condor]

guys, if tau is this year i have a sinking suspicion on what to expect.

its a 3 part update

[fast dew]

Roathe likely came to that conclusion from Albrecht's own conclusion

[marble timber]

Like, Old Peace was the first part?

[normal mountain]

Prelude to Tau

[frank condor]

the prelude is now, like this feels like a lot to expect and go over in one update

there is no way we're getting all our answers in one update, Tau is likely going to open up more and more throughout the year

[marble timber]

I hope we get more backstory type of stuff

Also is it just me or does old peace give me Clone Wars tv show vibes?

[normal mountain]

Never thought of it like that
But yes, it does remind me of that part of my childhood

[marble timber]

I'd imagine the next story update, Shores of Tau, would mainly involve tau as a new planet, new nodes and maybe a open world, and the story mostly us going to the locations we visit in old peace present day

Like the remains of the academy

[twin wigeon]

the academy is in space

[marble timber]

We blew it up basically

And its old

[twin wigeon]

indeed

[frank condor]

it would make sense since it also gives DE a chance to reuse assets from the old peace while they prepare newer ones

[marble timber]

So I would not be suprised if its now not in space

[twin wigeon]

its always was in space its probs just debris

[frank condor]

Orokin Derelict

[marble timber]

I think the ruins would make a good Hub if we get a open world on tau

Weather the ruins are in space or grounded

[frank condor]

a statue of ballas gets installed for everyone to slap on the way out

and spit on

[marble timber]

I hope Tau gets its own open world

[frank condor]

im expecting it to be a tile set and a small star chart

[marble timber]

If you transfer out there as Umbra I pray to the gods you get to watch Umbra shank the statue

[normal mountain]

then there's that one weirdo who slaps it not on the face

[marble timber]

I'd assume so, but a open world like the ones on Deimos, Earth, and Venus would be really nice

I want a new one to explore

Besides, all the Perita missions take place in one big map, so they have the assets to do so

[normal mountain]

Here me out
3 Open Worlds
Connected in sort of a triangle

[marble timber]

Hmm.. elaborate

Like three mini instances?

[normal mountain]

Sort of
But they're each the size of, say, Orb Vallis

[marble timber]

Ah

[frank condor]

that seems weird, are you perhaps referring to an esoteric idea of an open world like say, TOTW of new vegas and fallout 3?

[loud oriole]

bringing my kuva cannon to the ballas statue to do something hilarious

[normal mountain]

Ehhh
I'm unfamiliar with that

[marble timber]

I want more umbra interactions

Let him roam the orbiter, lemme play games with him, etc

[loud oriole]

https://tenor.com/view/boom-cannon-gif-4170817779665105455

[marble timber]

Also very likely not going to happen, but if you have a different Frame in use let Umbra fight with you, would make solo easier

[loud oriole]

Umbra as a permanent specter would be cool

[marble timber]

Also is it just me or did Old Peace slightly buff Umbra? I feel like he fights better now and actually attacks with Exalted Blade active

[frank condor]

considering how strong operators/drifters are now its very easy to tag team

[marble timber]

Even if it takes your pet slot

Yeah

The Corgon strikes are so fun

https://tenor.com/view/thor-hammer-mcu-marvel-avengers-gif-15049572

[twin wigeon]

corgon

[loud oriole]

corgi strikes, only available in the small dog rebellion

[marble timber]

Can unlock them to use outside of the rebellion by spending resources

[twin wigeon]

Perrito Rebellion

i was poking fun at your misspelling of tauron

[loud oriole]

as was i lmao

[marble timber]

I just use the Corgon

So I defaulted to it lmao

[loud oriole]

-# burrito rebellion (its just taco bell aftermath)

[marble timber]

John Corgon

[marble timber]

Bowels of Perrita

[brittle siren]

So either I'm not that close to Roathe, or DE forgot to make extra dating voiceline after transform from base frame

[jolly root]

I wanted him to threaten stalker in jade shadows

[marble timber]

REAL

Ordis even mentions Umbra during the stealth section

[jolly root]

Like right behind the sword pressed against stalkers neck

[marble timber]

Ngl I kinda want more third party gameplay sections where we get to see the POV of others as our operator does stuff. It would be cool

See others react to us

[jolly root]

It would

Though when you think about it the tenno are like crypitids

Like a legend a child immortal wielding a golem of steel destroying an advanced empire

[thick yacht]

Corpus are weak.

[jolly root]

Im talking about orokin

Not the corpus

[thick yacht]

Corpus are weak.

[ashen pulsar]

...okay

[winged flume]

Now, correct me if I'm wrong: The Zariman, and it's mission. Does it predate the Sentients?

I'm trying to knit dendrites and neurons of info that I haven't touched in a while as I watch SocraTetris and the DsIEGE videos.

While I wait for videos I've recorded to export.

[silk atlas]

It does not

Zariman was after the Sentients were sent but before they made it.

[winged flume]

Alright, so the Sentients took a slowboat out, but then built a few rails for the Tau (Ceti?) system, while the Zariman was being constructed?

[silk atlas]

No. Sentients sent, Zariman sent, Zariman failed, Sentients made it to Tau and made the Solar Rail

[winged flume]

Yeah, but like the Sentients didn't get there by way of the Void? The name slowboat meaning any spacecraft at speeds slower than or up to the speed of light

[silk atlas]

Okay then yeah

[restive river]

Sentients were sent and placed pylons along the way to build the rail, due to it taking so long some Orokin got impatient and the Zariman project was made

[civic forum]

ngl im starting to lose my patience with marie

[limpid frigate]

https://tenor.com/view/solaire-darksouls-praise-the-sun-gif-5934057

BROTHER YOUR NOT PRAISING THE SUN HARD ENOUGH !

[civic forum]

the entrati glazing is insufferable

[restive river]

I have been nothing but patient with her and got the convo that’s always an argument and it’s just
Wow I wasn’t expecting to have an actual internet argument where the other party won’t listen cause they refuse to

I commend the writing cause dang
It was a lil too real with how much of a brick wall she can be

[limpid frigate]

Well you gotta take into account.

Marie sees Entrati as a Saint. Which he's not

the whole thing with the devolpment of the relationship with marie. Is to not see Entrati as the f*cked up evil man he was

but to reach a middle ground where she sees him a complicated, because marie still wants to believe in the good

[fast dew]

She sees him
He is a complicated man. Thats not something shes making up

[limpid frigate]

is there alot of glazing ye, but if you want holy cheeks you need to be devote XD

[restive river]

I mean part of her problem, at least at the time of the convo I had with her is that she refuses to budge but expects everyone else too

What she said about Mother and Loid was
Wow
Get out of your bubble girl

[fast dew]

The reason the other way doesnt work is because, at least imo, its not true. To constantly demonise Albrecht is to ignore that he is doing, or trying to be better

[civic forum]

nahhhhhh i don't fully "click" with quincy but if albrecht ever shows his stupid face up im gonna make sure the 3 of us have a nice long conversation

[restive river]

He does have a bullet with his name on it!

And tagfer deserves one good headbutt

[fast dew]

I genuinely thought that you had that convo when it came to the thing we discussed about it... yesterday? So I just thought you didn't realise 😭

We can castrate him, but Loid deserves to be happy with him

[restive river]

I didn’t know it was that bad, she just didn’t want to listen to anything but expected Tagfer to after I explained to her his story

[fast dew]

||>calls the family a nest of vipers||
||>wonders why we didnt like that (we're apart of that family)||

[restive river]

I am glad she is flawed, it adds more to her as a character
But it is also very frustrating, which is the point

[restive river]

well we can be, more accurately is Operator would be the Ayatan, not Drifter

[civic forum]

i hope we can find out fully what entrati's been up to, then choose as the player what happens to him. cause he owes us explanations and is kicking the bucket if i dont like em

[fast dew]

Absolutely awesome writing but holy shit and the gods above she makes me want to just. Slap her. Its weird 😭

[restive river]

I just want him to kiss loid and keel over lmao

[restive river]

That means its working! Lol

[fast dew]

Thats what i think will happen

[restive river]

I have a similar thing with Roathe
It’s exactly how I’d imagine it’d be to talk to an Orokin

[fast dew]

Or, Loid holds his dying body and desperately tries to fix it and they never kiss!

[restive river]

He can be absolutely insufferable and a straight up psycho

[civic forum]

the only thing im concerned with is hard-locking myself story wise with just marie and having to "begin again", and just retreading the same beats with the other two

[fast dew]

What's worse.

[restive river]

Really gauges how terrible the Orokin were

[fast dew]

Makes me worry about Avantus if Ballas was the least bad

[restive river]

I mean if you have to I’d just use the kimulacrum for the second run

[restive river]

I’d love any info on her other than she died due to a grineer iirc

I believe she was the saw in the spine death?

[fast dew]

Honestly just try and procrastinate it till next week, they should be back soon. If its just convo mess ups, turn off all convos and work from there

[civic forum]

nah. consequences it is

[fast dew]

Yup. Saw through the spine

[restive river]

She deserved it

I do wonder if her thing was art

[fast dew]

Makes me wonder what else she did if she's worse than ballas somehow

[restive river]

And if it was then maybe we could get an art frame

[fast dew]

Unless Roathe isnt randomly classist to grineer

[restive river]

I have been dreaming of a painter or graffiti or anything art/paint related frame and a mockery from Ballas to Avantus would be fantastic for that

[restive river]

I believe he does call them vent rats

[fast dew]

I fw that heavy

[fast dew]

Vat rats?

[restive river]

Yes ty

[fast dew]

Like daughter does 😭

[restive river]

I’m going through it rn

[restive river]

At least she got better
ish

[fast dew]

Fair enough im reading these texts out loud and giggling really hard

[restive river]

her worst crime is being a bit of a psycho like the rest and racist to the grineer, which changes iirc

[fast dew]

Alternatively, Avantus was just like daughter and ballas wasn't a classist ass so Avantus is just worse

He is dating outside his caste but its a very negligible difference. Archimedians are like. What, a step away from orokin?

[restive river]

I just want her to be an artist so we can both see more Orokin art and maybe get an artframe

Artframe, gravityframe and ferrofluidframe are what I desire most rn

[fast dew]

She's behind Albrecht's portrait?@?!?@?

[restive river]

And Ballas’
And Yonta’s

[fast dew]

Maybe thats why that one ballas portrait in the classroom looks like that

[restive river]

That’d be cool ngl

[restive river]

Archimedians are just scientists for the Orokin

Not really a step away

[fast dew]

She's clearly a girls girl because yonta looks so pretty in that portrait. Albrecht or Ballas doesn't 😭

[restive river]

LMAO
Evil yuri

[fast dew]

I mean in reference to their position in the social hierarchy, not that they can just do good and be an orokin

[restive river]

Oh yeah, maybe?
They’re def higher than most

[fast dew]

Albrecht kinda looks like a thumb in his portrait, Yonta looks nice.

[restive river]

I wonder if DE has the full hierarchy somewhere

Iirc Gray has some theories on it, or did

[restive river]

She’s spooky but nice

[fast dew]

Mm, makes sense

[restive river]

I know Rebb likes her
Let her make an appearance this arc, please

[fast dew]

I still wonder what the meaning behind the Albrecht dream is

Spooky shit

[restive river]

She knows how to get to Tau
She’s been saying it for YEARS c’mon!

[restive river]

Is she having the dream cause she’s yonta or is she having it cause of what she is now

This is certainly a question

[fast dew]

Albrecht randomly appears and gets her ass to help

[restive river]

“Yonta, I need you to help them”
“OMG ALBRECHT IM YOUR BIGGEST FAN”

[fast dew]

I dont think she will recognise him as the white dude tbh

[restive river]

Man Marie would hate on my girl Yonta for no reason too >:(
at least during that one part

[fast dew]

||Roathe doesnt||

[restive river]

Maybe she could by his voice?
Or did Loid have to completely remake his vocal cords too? I think he did

I know he couldn’t speak so

[fast dew]

||Well, Roathe recognises the voice, but not the face||

He became pale later on, it seems.

[restive river]

||so def possible, but also she never met him, but she def has heard him sooo. Maybe a Yonta Albrecht moment??||

[fast dew]

||you can kinda hear the voice difference between Albrecht in 1999 and his requiem logs, idk whats different but there is a significant difference||

[cunning tapir]

||Maybe when Loid gave Albrecht his voice back, it changed slightly? ||

[fast dew]

Mm, wouldn't make sense. Albrecht's requiem logs are post void incident

[sick yacht]

if kaya can open portals ||through time|| then can't we just ||kill ball ass and the orokin before they started being the orokin||

[mint wren]

||she can only go places and times that the drifter has been||

[sick yacht]

dang 🙁

[strange plinth]

me yapping about the palimpset of spacetime completely defeated by the exact method of how kaya's portals work

[mint wren]

yeah, Kaya basically uses ||Drifter as a beacon, following the traces of where they travel. Fun fact even, we don't seem to be going to 1x99 with Triad so we're legitimately stuck in 2 time periods atm and so is she||

[strange plinth]

hm? the cathedral is still in XX99. we're in that time period when we're in there

[mint wren]

We don't seem to use the same method of getting there so I don't think it counts as our path

It's either that or that's a future plot point

[strange plinth]

its a different travel method, but we're still going to that time. i don't think kaya would be able to follow, though, no

[thick yacht]

If you think about it

[restive river]

even if she could it'd be a grandfather paradox
so no

[thick yacht]

The creation of the warframes and the tenno’s pairing to them were basically the Orokin version of a superweapon

With extreme efficiency

[restive river]

I mean they made a lot of superweapons

the frames themselves are, add the tenno and that's the exact force needed against ths sentients

[humble sierra]

Painterprotoframe played by Jennifer English so I can make more Clair Obscur jokes

[placid lion]

I'm at La Cathédrale and it went very dark for 15 min, then all the candles lit up again. Is this a normal occurrence or smth religion related :o

[covert sorrel]

Are we the only tenno active lorewise? If so, what happened tothe other tenno during the New War

[main crane]

Probably got yeeted to the void after us

We're not the only Tenno in the system. Lore perspective wise, the other players we play with in Multiplayer are the other Tenno.

[strange plinth]

no, a good amount of early-game quests reference other tenno being active (+ most operations are lore-accurate, so there were several tenno in the sanctum during gargoyle's cry)
unknown, but probably in hiding. may have lost their powers, as the one that made the deal is missing

[main crane]

The others are dead. When we woke up, Lotus said "I can't lose another Tenno"

[old wharf]

Is duviri just a imaginary world that the drifter made up while he was stuck on the zariman and then got bought to life by some weird void stuff going on? Or am I just wrong and I'm going crazy?

[fast dew]

Duviri is conceptual embodiment based on a book about avoiding conceptual embodiment.

[lean garden]

there should be others, you alone cant be running all the missions in origin

[old wharf]

oh

[fast dew]

Funny, ain't it?

[lean garden]

that statement only implies that she's lost some before

it doesnt really indicate she lost all

[main crane]

Yup

I mean only some died. Didn't mean everyone else is dead.

[lean garden]

lol whoops, I should have scrolled up. we play on the same team

[main crane]

Yeah lol

[strange plinth]

duviri was conceptually embodied by drifter while they were trapped on the zariman. the book was meant to teach the children to keep their emotions in check, but that kinda goes out the window when you're alone and void angels are hunting you. they escaped into duviri, eventually wanted to leave, then got stuck in the time loop of getting executed by thrax

[fast dew]

Longer version, yeah.

[strange plinth]

yeah

[old wharf]

Bro... the drifter should've went to level cap and take over the zariman.

[main crane]

Drifter grew up and the child king didn't want the Drifter to leave so the executions started wkwkwk

[dire mountain]

Intriguing

[old wharf]

like a true warframe player lol

[fast dew]

What the shit

Actually no what the hell

[main crane]

That was crazy. I hope I experience it.

[strange plinth]

"No metal beasts. No Void fury." as hunhow says
couldn't do much at the time

[old wharf]

aw man

[main crane]

The Drifter was powerless until he got the severed hand of Natah. He became powerless again because he put the hand back to the dying Eidolon Lotus.

He got his Tenno powers cuz Operator went on a deal with Wally and paradox type shit crazy

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[old wharf]

Isn't the zariman in a situation where if they move the ship, the whole orokin system go whoops?

[strange plinth]

basically
'void storms from here to mercury' is the quote i believe

[old wharf]

lol

[fast dew]

Mhm, its holding the Albrecht membrane together.

[strange plinth]

"Before you ask, no we can't move the ship. Something I wasn't sure existed has burst through the Albrecht Membrane and right now the Zariman is plugging that hole. Pop her out and we'd see Void Storms from here to Mercury."
intro dialogue for yonta, though i thought it was someone's idle dialogue as well

[fast dew]

Yonta is so pretty

[dark compass]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-yonta-archimedean-tenno-orokin-gif-383880801649958622

[old wharf]

Thomas the train engine? What happened to you...

[burnt igloo]

i have questions about the Coda Technocyte

[fast dew]

Its thomas the tank engine, and nothing.

I grew up.

[burnt igloo]

actually techrot as a whole

has the techrot taken over the earth in 1999 or just Holvania and did the nuke wipe it out that's why its not in the origin system in the future?

[old wharf]

https://tenor.com/view/thomas-the-train-thomas-the-tank-engine-thomas-laugh-eyes-gif-11070786580206101702

[strange plinth]

just hollvania, for that moment. but it becomes a global problem later
the techrot is in the origin system - just evolved. its the infestation

[fast dew]

After the events in 1999 (the nuke isnt supposed to go off), there was a series of events called the 18 radiation wars. Techrot became a global problem.

[burnt igloo]

oh so did the grineer and corpus found a way to make their technology immune to it now

[strange plinth]

not really. they just avoid it as best they can
the grineer do have squads specifically for combatting it, though, that's why they have hyekka masters and flamethrowers

[burnt igloo]

because i was concerned about the techrot time traveling to the future potentially corrupting corpus and grineer ships

[strange plinth]

idk if the corpus actually have dedicated anti-infestation units or if they just let it happen

[fast dew]

I dont think they did. I theorise that the specific transmission of techrot evolved to any form of inorganic material, over just machines. Substrains of substrains, yk?

[burnt igloo]

so that's why Deimos looks like.. well Deimos

[fast dew]

Deimos was a whole other thing

[burnt igloo]

but the infested like merged with its terrain

[fast dew]

Its probably the same transmission, yes

[strange plinth]

deimos got bio-bombed during the old war, to prevent the sentients from taking the heart of deimos
but yea its infested like that

[fast dew]

But it wasn't a natural form of infestation

[strange plinth]

eris is a better example i think

[fast dew]

As... natural as the infested is

[thick yacht]

Corpus are just useless huh

🗿

Like what do they actually do aside from steal

[tall echo]

enslave people

destroy ecosystems

uhhhh sell supplies to their own enemies bc greed and logical thinking don't work together

[fast dew]

Orokin lite basically

[paper cedar]

The Corpus are what happens when greed and capitalism aren't backed by morals or logic. A bit to on the nose nowadays, but the whole thing with Alad V getting a bit to close to both the Infested and Sentients should say a lot

[brittle siren]

so I seem like the Triad does not have dating voiceline during transformation animation

[brittle siren]

talking about ecosystem

what is the Grineer end goal anyway

[tall echo]

control

[brittle siren]

that's it?

[tall echo]

yes

they're led by orokin, what else would they want

[brittle siren]

I mean kill all human and only Grineer

that's a good end goal

also find a way to make clone less suck

[paper cedar]

Gotta give the queens props they at least know what they want

[brittle siren]

they want to live, and that's it, basic Orokin mindset

tbh even if Elder queen takeover our body, the other Queen will try to snatch it

it would be Parvos vs Corpus all over again

[paper cedar]

Fair. Already have enough messes to clean thanks to Nef, Ballas and Entrati

Granted 2 out of those three are Orokin themselves so its kind of a given

[fast dew]

Honestly Albrecht's messes are rather clean

[paper cedar]

Albrecht's messes are very much "this is what he did, and here is how to fix it" which yeah makes them pretty clean while Ballas and Nef are using the Geneva convention as a checklist every time they show up.

[pale cedar]

There's no Geneva Convention in Warframe how else do you think literally every faction can commit War crimes in peace?

[paper cedar]

You could also view it as the in universe present day being a post catastrophic war, or apocalypse depending on what you would classify as such, so most people wouldn't even know what the Geneva convention is even it did exist in universe. 1999 and the scaldra doing the whole chemical warfare thing as an example.

[fast dew]

Do we even know if Geneva even existed as a place in warframe?

[violet storm]

I don’t what all does and doesn’t have a Warframe equivalent

[paper cedar]

Warframe at the best of times is an alternative future/timeline

Most of the stuff pre orokin comes from 1999 and the devil's triad

[pale cedar]

If it did it was nuked years ago

[paper cedar]

Probably the only answer regarding the past unless DE decides we get protoframes from 1949

[violet storm]

Wouldn’t Arthur, Aoi, Quincy, Velimir, or Minerva know?

[paper cedar]

Very likely but unless DE decides its plot relevant we can really only guess given all the timey wimey stuff from recent updates.

[violet storm]

I ask that because weren’t they all in the military at one point?

[paper cedar]

They were, Arthur has a few KIM conversations about it

[violet storm]

Quincy also talks about it

[paper cedar]

I probably skimmed over those ones cause of how he types, but not surprised. I know Aoi has at least one

Given the military stuff with the Hex I'm surprised something that would be recent history wasn't something we could talk to them about

The Geneva Convention is dated to 1949 so that's only 51 years before the Drifter arrives in 1999 and the associated quests happen

[umbral merlin]

from what i've seen based on the dialouge, a lot of things that happened in OTL also happened in Warframe's timeline
its just that countries are renamed

Marie mentions a revolution (which could be either really, but since TDT is in 1899 im gonna assume its either talking about the Third Republic or the First), Drifter mentions a Cold War, etc etc

[thick yacht]

Hypothetically

If we killed the leaders of the Grineer and corpus, what then

[dark compass]

Power vacuum will probably be filled

Especially with Corpus. It's just a board of directors

[pale cedar]

Grineer would have Vay Heck taking over

Parvos would most likely move in

[thick yacht]

What if we kill Parvos

Nothing hectic

[pale cedar]

Then Narmer would probably try moving in

[thick yacht]

I think that something should consume the corpus, and the Grineer

[fast dew]

Chat i was looking at a mate's play of netracells, IT HAS A TINY ALBRECHT HAT???

[pale cedar]

Something does they're named Greed and Infestation

[thick yacht]

I wish we had more rogue Tenno tbh

I feel like Tenno don’t play a large enough role in the system besides just balancing the two major factions

You’d think with how messed up these void infused children with war PTSD are, one of them would maybe end up being like “hey, why don’t I use my power to make a gambit for the system”

[pale cedar]

Worse things happen if we don't just do that

We don't have the numbers to take over the system

[thick yacht]

There’s enough disorder to at least have warlords

The Grineer barely rule earth

I wouldn’t be surprised if outside of those nodes we attack and the plains they have no control at all

[pale cedar]

They have enough control

Plus they don't just go to the nodes we see on Earth

There's a whole other side they do attack

[thick yacht]

[pale cedar]

We aren't even allowed to visit certain nodes on Earth because of the danger it'd cause

[thick yacht]

To us?

[pale cedar]

To them

We only go for strategic targets in the system

A random village that isn't being attacked will be attacked if we go

Some still do get attacked anyway but they hire SM for it if that happened

[past hinge]

Question, are Stalker and Umbra the same? like Warframes that retained a fragment of their mind even and can operate of their own?

[pale cedar]

All Warframes are sentient

Umbra and Stalker's motivations are different they aren't the same

[past hinge]

even the recreated ones or only the ones made during the time of Orokin?

[pale cedar]

We recreated Umbra

So yes

[past hinge]

interesting

but Caliban is the only different warframe?

instead of a person its made out of Sentient?

[dark compass]

An amalgam

[past hinge]

so a mix of both?

[dark compass]

Yeah

There's even an enemy in-game that does it to people

[past hinge]

interesting, i wonder how will the Xenoflora affects Caliban

[dark compass]

The weird flying corpus amalgam that turns crewmen into strange sentient hybrids

They start looking like this

[past hinge]

oh i thought these

[dark compass]

That's exactly the enemy that does it

It can sometimes grab a crewman and "buff" them with this effect

[past hinge]

the more you think about is the more terrifying the Sentients are

so Sentients aren't made out of infection like warframes are right?

[dark compass]

Yeah they're essentially biomechanical robots

Fully engineered, but capable of adaptation and reproduction

[past hinge]

i really wanna go to Tau now

[pale cedar]

Then just fly there

Long way it

[waxen mesa]

take a shortcut through the void

I heard that worked out well last time someone tried it.

[drowsy saddle]

Wasn't it established that the zariman incident was because they set the void jump to do it all in 1 go rather than multiple short hops?

[pale cedar]

Debatable tbh because Wally showed up

[hybrid silo]

What happened if the hex die? Would they just come back to life after the year end or something?

[tall echo]

drifter would reset early

[hybrid silo]

The new guy is in our timeline right?

Because how does drifter even reset their memory?

[tall echo]

specify

[hybrid silo]

Marie Lyon and Angy boy

[tall echo]

oh so guy is plural now

yea they are in our timeline

[hybrid silo]

Come on this is discord not a grammar exam

[restive river]

Nothing, it would effect his fragments not him.

[tall echo]

you have interacted with me previously

I'm always a grammar prick

[hybrid silo]

I don't think so

[tall echo]

I recognize your name so

[hybrid silo]

Also you forgot your full stop

[restive river]

You’re an autocorrect?

[tall echo]

no

I'm not correcting guy to gun or smth

[tall echo]

those are overrated

and reserved for serious mode

[spice spade]

yall how do i fix this? so when this message popped up a couple of days ago i fixed it by that i mean i played all 21 floors from the beginning and unlocked every vm, after that it got fixed but now im suddenly blocked lmaooo the second pic was our last convo

crazy glitches

should i play through his boss fight 21 times again?

[marble pewter]

Looks like Roathe’s R5 Convo 6 (and 7) are bugged. Someone had the same issue as you after Convo 6

I told them to wait and see after daily reset but that didn’t do anything..for them at least. It’s really something that would be fixed when DE is back

[placid lion]

Started at 4am, ended at 4:15

[kindred nacelle]

some of you can hel me with this mi chat setver is not working

[placid lion]

Report it in #support-and-bugs

[spice spade]

i see thank you

[brittle siren]

So the Triad does not have any dating voiceline when using the transform emote?

[pale cedar]

They might but it could be bugged rn

DE wouldn't have even noticed the bug if it exists because nobody had managed to date any of them yet to report it

[narrow pendant]

memes!

[restive river]

make sure you dont have operator equipped

that negates dating lines with dated protos

[fast dew]

What the shit?? Curious.

[placid lion]

I'm gonna see if it does it again tonight

[marble timber]

So, the Lephantis was created to fight during the old war. Do you think that if we do more flashback stuff (Which I hope we do), we will see it?

[stiff beacon]

Who knows though we do know it shares it's name with another dude as mentioned in the duviri tablets

[high bay]

Is it just me or did DE get rid of the Duviri fragments in the codex?

[humble sierra]

Just wait for DE to come back

[hollow trench]

I’m having issues with Marie and roathe currently even though the romance option is already picked for Mary and I did the 21 floors so it’s unfortunately just a waiting game

[short mason]

Return in 7 days... why ;-;

[hollow trench]

Also

[ocean blaze]

porque?

[short mason]

No se

[ocean blaze]

faz sentido

[hollow trench]

The orokin obviously had the closest thing to basically editing their genetics in a timeline that’s not even possible for us and being physically immune to most forms of disability and disease. Was there ever a moment where even that tech just failed and they ended up being liked debilitatingly in pain? Or being exposed to something and suffering or were they just too far removed from what we would consider a human response

[ocean blaze]

eu particularmente, acho isso um absurdo total.

[waxen mesa]

i feel like im gonna get laugh emoted for asking this 😔 but...

is Quincy the original Cyte? I only ask because Cyte is a bit more...humany then most modern frames

he has a hat and what looks like something meant to represent a war medal

[marble pewter]

If we’re specifically talking about the Orokin, does Entrati count?

“Building upon what was known from the Necralisk Entries found in the Necraloid chamber, it was revealed that one of the many effects of his breach into the untime dimension caused him to leave with ruined eyes, mutilated mouth no longer hiding his grin, as well as scorched skin; physical consequences which Loid steadily nursed back to health.”

[hollow trench]

Yeah entrati would count

[marble pewter]

Well I guess the tech didn’t fail here

Thanks to Loid too

[marble pewter]

While Margulis isn’t Orokin, she was left permanently blind. Either the tech didn’t work or it was her choice not to seek treatment

[brittle siren]

No, Cyte already exist during Orokin time

[brittle siren]

Iirc she chose to be blind to remind her of something, I could be wrong here

[marble pewter]

I feel like I read that somewhere too. You might be right

[waxen mesa]

irrelevant. Temple was present at the night of naga drums (before you say 'depends' I say 'Eternalism')

[fast dew]

They must've been, or we wouldnt be able to have Temple

[waxen mesa]

Temple was also a, IIRC, unused strain but known of

[brittle siren]

LMFAO

[fast dew]

Unused at all

[marble pewter]

LMAO ROATHE

[fast dew]

Oh Roathe. Don't make me like you.

[brittle siren]

Because that is Flare still remained as Temple until Naga Drum, that's a different

[wispy roost]

When we go back in time with the drifter and become part of the loop, drifter's paradox changes the course of events, and from then on, because of eternalism, Temple will be and will have always been part of the Naga drums attack

[waxen mesa]

Cyte was a very [REDACTED] frame was he not? Could it not be that records that would show Quincy was Cyte were destroyed

[brittle siren]

Temple already exist as blueprint but Ballas never make them, until Entrati meddling with it

[brittle siren]

he already appeared during Old War but Orokin remove his record, kinda like Jade

[wispy roost]

When we finish 99 we get an email from Loid? saying he found Albrecht's super secret project, so secret it was redacted

[waxen mesa]

if i had a nickle for every super secret warframe Albrecht had....

[wispy roost]

man had a lot of side projects, okay?

Qorvex, for example, not exactly a secret frame, but afawk a frame Albrecht build to protect his lab, no?

[fast dew]

Albrecht either was good friends w Ballas, or was a raging kleptomaniac

[fast dew]

He designed it, we assume its like protea and parvos

[brittle siren]

I mean Albrecht was a mad man so he would try to steal stuff

[fast dew]

I mean he stole cars

He stole cars from 1999

I am not joking.

[brittle siren]

and train

[fast dew]

Why is he like this

[wispy roost]

be gay do crime?

[fast dew]

Stole a train to protect his lover. Relationship goals. Very orokin tho

[brittle siren]

also this is bugged, I never push the "warning self harm" button but it register me as if I did it

[wispy roost]

yeah the convos with the triad have a few bugs

[fast dew]

Albrecht is the reason why that saying exists.

God I cannot imagine how much shit he actually just nicked off with

A whole ass person 💔

[wispy roost]

He was probably like "well sheet is all stuck in a loop, might as well make use of it"

[fast dew]

Or did what Roathe does. ||"its gonna be the empire soon anyways!! So its not stealing!!"||

I doubt he would but it is funny

[brittle siren]

one of Lyon convo choice don't even have a path, it just stop there and not progressing at all

so I have to choose another one

[wispy roost]

I had a convo with him that if I picked option 1 (let's say), it would get stuck and I'd never be able to answer him again

[fast dew]

Oh i passed that conversation

[wispy roost]

so I restarted, got a different convo, then next day got that bugged convo again, picked the same answer, restarted again, then picked another option, and it worked

[brittle siren]

tbh DE should just put the self harm option toggleable in the Pom-2 setting

[wispy roost]

I think how they are doing it is fine too

[brittle siren]

yeah but it remove many interaction with Lyon even though I've never touch that choice

[high bay]

Is my distaste about Rell’s whole situation about how he got bullied into being an outcast and Margulis seemingly did jack shit about it justified because I’m also autistic and I got bullied into having basically no friends and the few people in the environment who could’ve done something did nothing?

[fast dew]

Yeah absolutely justified

It is realistic writing

Unfortunately.

[high bay]

If I may whine and whinge and complain, I don’t see enough people giving Margulis flak for doing nothing to help Rell and how the rest of the Tenno bullied him into having nobody

[wispy roost]

Yup, "Natah" was focused on the plan her father had for her, caring for tenno was a side effect she did not plan for

[fast dew]

I dont like Marge and I dont trust the lotus.

[fast dew]

Oh no this was still Marge era

[wispy roost]

but she was never the real Margulis

Natah was remade in the image of Margulis to replace her

[fast dew]

No Margulis was the one who outcasted Rell

We suspect it was because he might be responsible for blinding her

[wispy roost]

Oh could be

But we assume Rell was outcast before the Lotus replaced her, since she did not know of Rell? or did not remember him

[glass flume]

what reason does the technocyte coda be hostile to us aside from the fact that they are mutated techrot?

[fast dew]

Mhm. The lotus came after Rell was outcasted. Because its Margulis who did it

[fast dew]

Thats just what techrot does

[wispy roost]

because we are trying to stop them from brainwashing fans etc? taking over and such

also, techrot is a hivemind and they don't like us, yeah

[brittle siren]

I mean Ballas is an executor and if his love is blinded by Rell, then casting him out is literally mercy

Idk why the blood mural said that she cast him out. This could be a retcon because it is OOC for Margulis

Or is it just a sick joke from Wally

[pine orchid]

casting him out doesn't have to be with malicious/hostile intent imo

could be a more neutral she just didn't have the capacity to deal with him kind of thing, because she's already dealing with super powered void-touched children

[brittle siren]

Though my theory is, she cast him out so he won't be hunted by Ballas

[pine orchid]

I can see it being more of a mercy on Margulis' part, because otherwise Rell would've been drafted into war like us

[brittle siren]

That way it won’t break her character + make sense why mural said that she cast him out

[prime grove]

Why was Uriel in The Chains of Harrow trailer?

[dark compass]

It's a different design

Idk how people see similarities

This unironically looks more like cyte-09 than Uriel

[reef nest]

Weird question for yall. vaguely remember a video crossing my feed some time ago about a tenno attack told from the perspective of the corpus or grineer? Don't know if it was fan made or in game, but that's what I'm trying to figure out.

[prime grove]

Yeah but look closer at the red and compare it to Uriel's

[brittle siren]

though Mynki already design Uriel since 2017 iirc?

[dark compass]

Yeah but the design just

Doesn't look like Uriel???

The entire silhouette is completely different

[prime grove]

I mean here's a close up

[dark compass]

It has visibly protruding grates on its face

That's not the same design clearly

It's like a weird mix of Harrow and Cyte-09

Which doesn't say much, random af

[prime grove]

Yeah but this was back in 2016-2017

[pine orchid]

cyte-o-harrow lmao

[dark compass]

The headshot god

[brittle siren]

still what is that thing?

[dark compass]

The nameless headshot deity

[pine orchid]

this is the only Uriel concept design I could find

[prime grove]

It also might because of increased brightness

[pine orchid]

and I still think it looks closer to Harrow, like with the shoulder pauldron thingies and the waist

[dark compass]

Yeah that's what I said

Though loom at the thighs

Thick Harrow

[prime grove]

The bottom left concept of him might have been the one in the trailer

[dark compass]

Maybe

But I really doubt it's tied to Uriel in any way

[prime grove]

But at 1:48 of the trailer it said "He spoke in truth. A devil has come."

[prime grove]

And what other frame is a devil frame? Uriel

The "he" also refers to Harrow

[pine orchid]

in which trailer?

[prime grove]

Old Peace

[pine orchid]

thought you were talking abt this trailer lmao
https://youtu.be/GX3iKW18NMI?si=c4wBlC71uua0_A0Z

[prime grove]

And keep in mind this is all taking place in 1999 where Lyon (Harrow) wasnt completely a warframe and still had his mind free of the infestation

[lean garden]

lyon isnt from 1999

[prime grove]

Then where is he from or what year?

[wind ruin]

1899

brought forward into the current time by Roathe carving out a room in the Void after using the Helminth to travel forward.

[prime grove]

Could make sense

[wind ruin]

He implies it very strongly with one of his ambient comments.

[prime grove]

But it still doesnt explain the fact that Uriel was in Chains of Harrow back in 2016-2017

[wind ruin]

Something about Albrecht's lab making it very easy to carve any number of rooms out of the Void.

They probably had most of Harrow's backstory written at that point, or at least outlined. They knew there would be a 'devil' frame and that Harrow was a priest.

That mitre/helmet in the picture, though, implies that it's just Harrow again, not Uriel.

[prime grove]

So either Albrecht went all the way back to the old war to get Uriel and bring him into 1899

[wind ruin]

||Yes, as a matter of fact, that's exactly what Roathe tells you.||

[prime grove]

Before Roathe fully became Uriel

Here look at it again you can clearly see that it looks like Uriel

[wind ruin]

|| And Lyon tells you the same. "there was a great storm, like the one where Cardinal Dimanche appeared, and the Cardinal put the devil in our care." And no, Uriel as a warframe appeared well before anything Albrecht did. Have you finished Roathe's story? If not, I suggest you do all the Descendia.||

[silk atlas]

Oh my god not this stupid theory again

You don't even need to do that, you just need to talk to him in the cathedral and he'll tell you he isn't even the first Uriel, nor the Prime

Not to mention the entire middle of the silouette there looks way too lumpy to be an Uriel even if we were to entertain it.

[wind ruin]

Yeah, that silhouette really looks more like Harrow, maybe with an alt-helm or skin.

[prime grove]

Yeah but this was back in 2016-2017 when he was still a concept

[wind ruin]

That was ten years ago. I dont' think they plan warframes that far ahead.

[prime grove]

And none of Harrow's helmets or skins look like the one in the picture nor do any of them look like they have horns

[silk atlas]

There's still the whole "Roathe isn't the first Uriel" issue to deal with.

[wind ruin]

I think you're reaching because you want there to be a connection.

[silk atlas]

Uriel is no more special in regard to how the serum would've been gotten by Albrecht than any of the rest of the Hex's serums. Even Temple.

[pine orchid]

I think DE have done special helmets for non player warframes didnt they? like how stalker is an excal with a unique helmet?

[dark compass]

stalker, acolytes, archons technically

[pine orchid]

oh yes acolytes too

[dark compass]

all acolytes are just warframes with stalker heads

Violence being Limbo with a silence subsume will never stop being funny to me

[pine orchid]

I considered archons their own thing but yeah ig they are also technically warframes with unique helmets XD

[dark compass]

man has pioneered the limbo meta

[brittle siren]

i heard someone said that they all kinda like Sorren: rogue low guardian become "Stalker" line of warframe

[prime grove]

Roathe witnessed Uriel Prime's "hatching" (its creation during the Old War on Tau) as the original Uriel frame. His own Dax soldiers were later transformed into additional Uriel instances as punishment, tying into themes of Orokin cruelty and so Roathe himself became a Uriel Protoframe later, post-Old War, as part of Albrecht Entrati's experiments in "The Devil's Triad."Uriel Prime predates both him and the mass-produced Uriels (which were wiped out before the war's end)

[pine orchid]

I've heard the Acolytes be called Stalker fan-boys Xd

[brittle siren]

wait when did he said that his troop is Dax?

[silk atlas]

I'm pretty sure Roathe himself doesn't mention Uriel Prime before the regular Uriel's, and his soldiers being made into Uriel were a way to honor Roathe.

[brittle siren]

kinda unrelated, but why Albrecth does not use Prime variant on some protoframe

[silk atlas]

We don't have the slightest clue

[brittle siren]

like beside Quincy, Flare and Roathe, all of them have prime variants

[pine orchid]

bcs he's low on orokin gold after buying that clothes shop /j Xd

[prime grove]

This was during the old war and later he became a Uriel protoframe and thanks to the helmith strain he became fully warframe as time past and the infestation took over his mind

[prime grove]

This is also confirmed by "The Sacrifice" where Ballas explains how warframes are made

[silk atlas]

Yeah, just making sure we're on the same page that Uriel and its Prime were both before Roathe ever being Proto'd, and then Roathe was sent to 1899 at some unknown "time" after all that

[prime grove]

But then if he was in 1899 where and how did Albrecht find him to do the experiments?

[silk atlas]

Because he was experimented on before being sent back in time by and with Albrecht.

[prime grove]

Ok so let me get this straight

Roathe was brought/sent into the sanctum anitomica and Albrecht did experiments on him and got sent back to 1899 while Albrecht went to 1999

[silk atlas]

Albrecht also went to 1899

[fast dew]

For 3 years

[prime grove]

And so then he went into the future to 1999?

[silk atlas]

He went to 1899 to fake being a priest for some time, then came with Roathe for Marie and Lyon to babysit, then went back to the "present" and to 1999 repeatedly for the Hex and stuff before finally staying in 1999 to stall Wally

When each of these all happened in relation to each other doesn't really matter minus Albrecht being stuck in 1999 after everything else.

[fast dew]

All we know is that it cannot happen after the events of 1999, as he wouldn't have a way back from xx99. Presumably

[prime grove]

So Roathe was sent into the future then into the past where he stayed in the past is that correct? Along with Albrecht

But he was sent into the past

[silk atlas]

He wasn't taken from The Old War, pretty sure he just lived into the present day

[fast dew]

Nah, he has a chat stating he never saw the war though

[silk atlas]

OH, weird

[pine orchid]

Roathe was just living his normal Orokin life, got injected by Albrecht and then kidnapped into xx99

[prime grove]

So then why would he be leading a Battalion?

[fast dew]

Not do much the war through but that he was blamed for the rebellion after he disappeared

[pine orchid]

I think Roathe was in the first part of the Old War, before Old Peace stuff happened wasnt it?

[prime grove]

Of Dax Soldier who mysteriously got turned into Uriel's?

[silk atlas]

Other wars between the Orokin themselves because they love shooting each other because they're bored.

[pine orchid]

gotta check his specific dialogues/chats, I thought he just didn't see the fallout of the Sentient peace
because Roathe talks about the Great War (what we now know as Old War)

and he has VMs about war vs Sentients

[pine orchid]

yes that one, I chose to probe about "Great War?" with my Drifter XD

[silk atlas]

Okay so he did have stuff going on in The Old War

[fast dew]

He missed the fall, so he wasn't there for the end.

Oh definitely

We just now know its split into two "wars"

[pine orchid]

it's a big war with a period of truce/ceasefire in the middle basically

pt 1, ceasefire/treaty, pt2, naga drums

[fast dew]

I assume the biobomb happened in the later half of the war as well

[prime grove]

Which led to, as we all know now the infestation

[pine orchid]

which biobomb is this? the one that exploded deimos?

[silk atlas]

They had the Infestation for a while, if we're talking about the Deimos bomb

[lean garden]

Hips are a match, pauldrons are close. Its way closer to harrow than uriel

[prime grove]

She (Nitokh) was Roathe's lover and co-conspirator in a treasonous scheme to murder all other Orokin and Executors, installing Roathe as Interim Executor to reform the Empire. Roathe found her "madness... seductive," especially when she summoned him to her blood-and-perfume-filled bath and proposed: "I'm bored, Roathe. Let's kill all the other Orokin and take over."They defected to the Anarchs, with Nitokh leading the warmonger faction against Ballas' peace efforts with the Sentients.
Their plan failed when Albrecht Entrati transformed Roathe into a Protoframe, stranding him; Nitokh likely blamed him as a scapegoat. Roathe believes she was killed by the Tenno during the "night of the Naga Drums" (the Orokin massacre), and her name is absent from records.

[lean garden]

Also like logically the biobomb cant have been the start of the infestation because citrine was there LMAO

[pine orchid]

also the head looks like a mitre imo

[prime grove]

Also Garuda is unconfirmed to be Nitokh

[lean garden]

installing Roathe as Interim Executor to reform the Empire.
This wasnt nitohk's plan, her plan was to kill all the other executors, Roathe's plan was to kill nitohk as well then install himself as the interim exexutor

[prime grove]

But then why would Roathe be even involved with Nitokh in the first place?

[pine orchid]

Nitokh would've killed Roathe too, there was a KIM message where Roathe talks about how they both knew they were using each other and would kill the other

[silk atlas]

It's called backstabbing. Roathe has multiple convos talking about how that whole thing is normal in Orokin society.

[pine orchid]

also being an Executor's lover seems to come with its own perks and maybe protection from the executor

[prime grove]

Read the bottom line

[pine orchid]

from other executors* I mean

[prime grove]

Why would he try to save her life?

[pine orchid]

Roathe's feelings for Nitokh is complicated

he even mentions this in part of his messages I'm pretty sure

[silk atlas]

Basically everyone in the Orokin were trying to use each other just to further their own goals

[prime grove]

So then how did Ballas survive the Naga Drums/the massacre?

And survive for so long

If he had no kuva to do continuity

[silk atlas]

None of the Executors we know of died during the massacre, funnily enough.

And people are just much more long-lived in this game. Teshin has been kicking around for a while looking for the Tenno

[prime grove]

And what about Parvos Granum cause he's been alive since the orokin era

[silk atlas]

What about him

People can just live a long time for some reason.

[prime grove]

Yeah but he's human and the average life span for a human is around 70-80 years

[silk atlas]

...So is Teshin and basically every other important humanoid in this story

[prime grove]

Yes well sort of

[silk atlas]

No not just sort of, he is. Cybernetics wouldn't be surprising but still human all the same

[pine orchid]

I figured Parvos surviving so long has to do with him being in the void with Protea, the time frame, somehow

[silk atlas]

Not to mention he was just some random human footsoldier and no one of real importance in Orokin society

[pine orchid]

kinda like how Drifter was stuck in Duviri and stopped growing after a bit because they were stuck in a time loop of executions

[pallid spoke]

Warframe does not follow this though, the average human lifespan here seems to be in the hundreds.

According to Darvo apparently being 100-something years old and still being treated as a teenager by his father.

[prime grove]

I mean they are in the future

[pallid spoke]

I was literally about to say; it's the future, safe to assume some genetic breakthrough happened to increase human lifespan.

[prime grove]

Kinda like right now with china discovering non-aging stem cells to prolong the human life expectancy

[pine orchid]

the darvo convo in case ppls want to see

though it could also be the vibes of "dad I'm 35 years old I can make my own choices!" rather than specifically teenagers

[ocean geyser]

here's something ive been thinking about
what would be some in-lore ways to use a weapon's alt-fire, exactly?
For stuff like Trumna i guess it would be some sort of under barrel button or trigger

Hek would be goofy because the only thing i can think of is four triggers

then there's whatever the Ambassador does

[fast dew]

Loid has served Albrecht for "more than a lifetime", even before cryo

[pine orchid]

ooh Loid said that??

I was wondering if Loid maybe had some sort or access to longevity through Albrecht, either Kuva or maybe cloning

[fast dew]

Drusus did actually

[fast dew]

Theres no real evidence for either now

Kuva is out of the window, there's no proof for cloning now that we know that cephalons can be made non-destructively

[pine orchid]

no proof, but there could be implications

like with Kalymos

mostly from the thought that if I was an immortal Orokin and I fell in love with a human I'd be very very sad if they were to die of old age and given the technology why not find ways to immortalize your mortal love? Ballas did it through Natah, I can see Albrecht finding ways for Loid

[ocean geyser]

Cause like, how WOULD you explain "hey this gun shoots more bullet per bullet" bro

[fast dew]

Then we have Teshin, who never went under cryo and lived through the old war till now

The orokin probably augmented their servants

[lean garden]

The Lobsterification of the Human

[pine orchid]

lmaooo

that's true, though unsure what kind of augments those are

[brittle siren]

well the second half of old war

he def saw the first one

[waxen mesa]

so someone remind me how we can know where the kuva fortress is now

because IIRC, it was a big mystery (in game) where it was

i mean i assume the worm queen is no longer living there....or we just aren't feeling up to regicide again

[ocean geyser]

it's because we went there, I'd imagine?

[waxen mesa]

but it still moves

is it just in a rotation around the sun we can predict since we visited it once

[ocean geyser]

i don't think it'd be that difficult to track after we've been there

[woven coyote]

Lotus probably just did the usual hacking and placed a backdoor or smth

[ocean geyser]

yuh

i know she's a sentient but i wonder how she's so good at tha

[waxen mesa]

what's above the mars skybox

[ocean geyser]

clouds maybe

or deimos

[civic forum]

i just got to the roathe convo about ways of killing and i wish there were more options

[fierce sparrow]

Likely a asteroid grineer tile set lookin thing

[ashen pulsar]

me

[limpid frigate]

I would LOVE a Mar's open world with maybe like some Egypt themes

I imagine it looking similar to the Planet Korriban

but with more Orokin Elements

[tall echo]

Inaros' tomb:

[limpid frigate]

WOULD be a core place you can visit

[tall echo]

Definitely

I think we should get an open world on every planet with a unique tileset and eris

[limpid frigate]

I think MAYBE we'll get there XD

[junior jungle]

Hi! Question. Why is one of the uriel's devils highlighted if you turn highlight enemies in settings?

Is it because he is an enemy but restreined by uriel?

[tall echo]

Bugframe being bugframe

[pale cedar]

All 3 are considered enemies in Simulacrum

[restive river]

They are enemies in the Roathe fight so

That is likely what’s causing the conflict, it’s just a minor visual bug anyway

[late isle]

what if Nitohk is one of the grineer queens?

[pale cedar]

But the Queens were Orokin outcasts not members of the 7

[lean garden]

highly unlikely

we know the queens were twin daughters of an aristocrat, not a whole Executor of the Seven

[pale cedar]

It also has a bit of an issue with us knowing all of the Sevens' names and nothing mentioning she had a twin sister

[frail bay]

Does anyone know why the custom Lotus (i.e., if you chose Natah, vice versa) doesn't get used in The Old Peace cutscenes?

[pale cedar]

Because the Natah model literally wouldn't fit

[frail bay]

so no lore reason at all even if you picked Natah? just plain technical limitation?

[pale cedar]

Pretty much

[loud oriole]

i mean she is a sentient mimic, so she could also just choose a form that 98% of the system knows her as

[pale cedar]

They didn't ignore choices though

[loud oriole]

-# plus im pretty sure Loid would need a new set of trousers if a massive dark sentient with a human face came knocking on the Anatomica door

[pale cedar]

After the quest the model does revert to using the chosen one when you visit the room you was in

In an area, it would fit

[loud oriole]

the comedically tiny room at that lol

[pale cedar]

Yeah

Natah Model wouldn't have worked right next to the pool

[quasi maple]

was wondering what is bro doing during the new war
aint no way his sisters are that weak against the Namer when they can easily just, colonize an entire planet and call it a sector

[loud oriole]

and it would be uncanny to see lotus's helmet wires retracting into Margulis' head

[pale cedar]

Narmer wouldn't have even seen Parvos as a threat he's in Granum Void

[hazy prism]

I imagine the sisters aren't immune to the veils,
Also your pfp made me think Hakita actually said that

[crude robin]

is the after new war lotus the same lotus as the one before the apostasy? I mean the mind or sentient software or whatever runs in there? I've been rewatching the new war played by new players and I can't stop thinking about hunhow's words about how "she'll never be the same" and how "death always leaves a mark", can we trust The current Lotus?

[pale cedar]

We can

He meant that dying means they might not act the same

Many people who have been close to dying has certain issues due to the experience

Sentients aren't immune to that

[crude robin]

I thouth about that too, but again the lotus using the "Void enchanced" voice in the old peace to combat the murmur, her denying seeing the man in the wall at the end of the new war kinda contradicting her monologue during the Ropalolyst fight where she admits seeing him and making a deal of sorts

also all the kim conversations and loid's one saying her presence is bewond creepy, and not just Roathe that is orokin and knows of sentients, but I belive Lyon too and he sees the dead...

With warframe being so much themed around trauma and emoitions in this newsaga it's makes me wander how much has the being controlled by her borther dying killing ballas and I don't even want to think about how wally would be involved, has changed her...

her being silent, knowing the drifter knowing being somehow related to entraty acting as a proxy for 1999

I wouldn't trust someone that passed through so much on a basic level and I don't know about a sentient that is at it's core just a mimic...

I can't spell for my life please ignore the typos

[pale cedar]

She doesn't have a Void-enhanced voice as she's a Sentient and they're weak to Void

Nothing actually suggests she made a deal either

She never mentions ever making a deal

You can see something without actually talking to or making a deal with as shown when Eleanor tapped into the Void

[crude robin]

on this one no you can clearly hear the void reverb like when Entrati is speaking or when wally

she saying this "Natah: "I have seen the wall's other face, too. I have heard the voice." in one moment to say "nothing" in another like hiding something again... is beyond suspicious,

[pale cedar]

Doesn't mean she is Void enhanced

[crude robin]

"But in truth, we were both imprisoned in Lua's belly. My light remade by the creators. I became a memory, a ghost. Reprogrammed to destroy my family, my people, my history."

also how much of this is true, how many times was she reprogramed? and by how many people, how much manipulation has she endured, how was she able to act as a proxy for entrati during 1999? where is the line between entrati and wally.

we know nothing...

How can we trust them?

[pale cedar]

This is true

Ballas the creator wanted a Margulis he could control so reprogrammed Natah with Margulis' memories

Ballas caused the Naga Drums too

And the imprisoned in Luas' belly is her saying Ballas did that to her

[crude robin]

no not like that, Ballas as much of a monster he is Trully Loved margulis

[pale cedar]

“You wanted a Margulis you could control”

Roathe also mentions how we changed that

[crude robin]

notice how it's not "I wanted a Margulis I could control" you can't trus hearsay also she is biased

Ballas damned the seven after Margulis was sentenced to death

[pale cedar]

He couldn't control her anymore because her focus was on us

[limpid frigate]

With the power of conceptual embodiment do you guys there somewhere in the Warframe Universe, There is just a Tenno who has a entire Diminesion filled with Dodo Birbs

[pale cedar]

There can be

[crude robin]

we burned Margulis' eyes out of her orbits, ballas saw us as monster and margulis obsessed with saomething he knew could kill her, Ballas was right and is right calling the tenno devils after what we caused for him

lotus was an instrument for him to destroy the orokin after marguls' death yes, she was never a Margulis to him

she was a margulis to us

[pale cedar]

She was a “Margulis” he could control

[crude robin]

to the lotus

she saw herself as Margulis a mother to the tenno

[limpid frigate]

Couldn't we all just make Ordis a human body?

[pale cedar]

Ballas reprogrammed Natah because there was no Margulis left to control

[pale cedar]

The body is erased when glassed

[crude robin]

no because the was no margulis left to controllo the tenno, Ballas didn';'t see use for the tenno before the margulis death

[pale cedar]

Margulis was literally in Old Peace

[limpid frigate]

No no, Since Brain waves are just basically Programing and Lightning etc.
Using conceptual embodiment, we just Make Ordis a NEW body

[crude robin]

Poluted memories, we can't trust the old peace events

[pale cedar]

That just means harmful memories not untrustworthy memories

[crude robin]

that's your interpretation

poluted water is harmful water in my world

yes

[wind ocean]

are you serious

[crude robin]

but I don't trust it also

it also means contaminated

something contaminated is untrustworthy

[pale cedar]

Just because you don’t trust it doesn’t mean it isn’t what happened

[fast dew]

No? Its literally only contaminated because wally is there

Which is a recent addition

Those things genuinely happened

Also.

This is Loid were speaking about. He says fancy shit.

[pale cedar]

Old Peace is us reclaiming the memories from Wally

[crude robin]

but it also doesn't mean it is what happened, becasue it all can happen under the eternalism

[fast dew]

except thats not how eternalism works?

[wind ocean]

well not only wally, just forgotten memories by margulis overall.

[cunning tapir]

We don't exactly know what happened that caused Margulis' eyes to be burned out.
Plus....I wouldn't trust Ballas' side of the story. The idea that his word is trustworthy is about as likely as Nef Anyo donating. It's just impossible.

[crude robin]

no your margulis litteraly sais she is that one that will make us forget for the purpose of the second dream

[fast dew]

I have a roathe reaction for everyone

[crude robin]

we know it's said in the second dream

[pale cedar]

Roathe is DE’s venting tool

[cunning tapir]

We know a Tenno blinded her, but not the circumstances behind it.

[fast dew]

Clearly lol

[crude robin]

It's us the tenno burned Margulis's eyes out of her orbits

[fast dew]

Dawg im 99% sure it was Rell

[wind ocean]

alright we are not going there out of nowhere.

[fast dew]

Whar

[brittle siren]

what the

[crude robin]

scared monster childs not knowing how to controll the powers, it's why ballas repeatedly told her we were dangerous

[fast dew]

Scared children. they're not monsters.

They are children.

[brittle siren]

so you said Old Peace isn't real because you ***wanted ***it to not be real past

what is this excuse

[crude robin]

monster is not a bad thing. they are powerfull and they are traumatised and they can't controll it, they are monsters

[fast dew]

Ballas also didnt like it when the attention wasn't on him, so there's the whole chance he is saying that to get Margulis away from the tenno to get that attention back on him.

[fast dew]

....no

Generally, being a monster is a bad thing.

Monsters are usually bad. Thats why they're called Monsters.

[brittle siren]

also, Chain of Harrow blood mural confirm that Rell blinded Margulis, and high possibility she cast him out before Ballas could kill him

[crude robin]

no it's a dangerous thing not a bad thing

[fast dew]

I like how dark the blood is here. It's correct to oxidised blood

Idk why people want it to be vibrant red

[crude robin]

danger and bad are intertwined concepts but they are not the same

[fast dew]

Like dawg. That blood isnt getting oxygen, it aint gonna be red

[crude robin]

no I'm not saing it isn't real, I'm just questioning how trust worthy the events are being that they are memories and how they were sourced

[loud oriole]

the only oxygen its getting is from the failing life support systems which is obviously not enough to keep it fully oxygen rich
-# and the lack of a circulation system

[brittle siren]

it 100% trustworthy since ỉt came from US

it not from anyone but US

[fast dew]

-# the humble lack of lungs:

[brittle siren]

i mean from Old peace, seem like warframe need to breathe too, that sentient choke our excal prime

[fast dew]

The dark refractory can be influenced, that is true, but the murmur are not in the pool until the end

Also, im pretty sure they need a brain to influence it

This is Albrecht's technology. It would be as antimurmur as it could be

Lungs are so cool i love how the body works i think its awesome

[crude robin]

and our head was never subjected to void interference and the void don't change minds and memories and we werent subjected to eternalims vision of all possible variant of the events, it's like the drifter sudenly having all of operator's memories... it all smells fishy from start to end and to ignore that we might be ingorant on the matter is fullish

[brittle siren]

also seem like Natah does know Adis existence, so she could back Op memory up

[fast dew]

Do you know how eternalism works

[brittle siren]

I'm going use this image until you stop talking about eternalism

[fast dew]

Its not something we can just access.

Eternalism is barely proven to even exist

[brittle siren]

also eternalism is DEAD, Wally merged every single timeline into one

[loud oriole]

tbh with how transference works it's probably more of an involuntary response to being 1:1 in sync with the frame itself, so anything choking you would probably translate to the operator/drifter also feeling like they're being choked.
but then again, survival missions require us to gather tanks otherwise we start choking so maybe a mix of both

[brittle siren]

the only one that is related to it is our Drifter

[crude robin]

no baro made a deal to be everywhere

[fast dew]

No, i wouldn't say all. Just pinching certain spots.

[brittle siren]

what

[crude robin]

also the halloween baro was fishy too

[fast dew]

It wasn't our baro

So either wally cant do that or it was wally.

[wind ocean]

(it was PC version of baro)

[crude robin]

baro made a deal with wally to be everywhere that how we got the baro store synced between consoles and pc

[brittle siren]

if he is "everywhere", then why when his ship run out of void juice, why he just not teleport to safety?

[crude robin]

everywher as in every possible time event identical

eternalism is a time concept not a space one

[fast dew]

Also we don't know how eternalism functions in the void. The void itself isnt a timeline

[brittle siren]

again, Wally did not make Baro appear in all timeline, he just made most timeline into a singular strand of Khra

[fast dew]

Honestly you're more likely to CE a mf than fall into another timeline

[brittle siren]

so other Baro could already dead like alt version of our OP

(beside Crimson Baro and Drifter)

[pale cedar]

Baro’s deal killed his other versions not made him omnipresent

[fast dew]

Its a wonder how Albrecht even got into Duviri

I guess duviri is just really big?

[brittle siren]

I mean those Wyrm can just leave and go back to duviri at will

[crude robin]

or conected all the brains to the same wifi server and he streaming

why waster perfectly good brains by killing them

[brittle siren]

some of the void mirror effect always have Wyrm flying around (wall of lohk for example)

[fast dew]

I wonder if the added landings were apart of the original book? Thrax doesnt like it when theres things adding or changing the story, so maybe they're always meant to be there?

[brittle siren]

RJ and Citrine gateway too

[crude robin]

baro became a hivemind acros time, it's how the infestation does it and how we time travel using the helmith

[brittle siren]

because Wally did kill most version of us lmao

[brittle siren]

then explain why he does not know anything about Crimson Baro, if they are part of a hivemind

[crude robin]

that scene wasn't about him killing the others it's about saving us and the ones that diun't take the deal died

[brittle siren]

at this point you just making things up

[fast dew]

Bet you guys didnt know theres a tiny Albrecht hat in the netracells

[brittle siren]

then Drifter should have been killed too, yet they still remained

[brittle siren]

oh? where is it

[crude robin]

no drifter is one version of us that survived without wally's help by creating his own pocked dimension

[fast dew]

I asked my mate to get a screenie of it but he didnt so now im running netracells to get a photo for myself 😭

[brittle siren]

and you contradicted yourself

[fast dew]

But i did see it with my eyes

[crude robin]

no I didn't

[brittle siren]

you say it about saving us, but Drifter was not saved by Wally

so they should be dead, by your logic

[pale cedar]

Wally didn’t kill all the other versions of us he just killed the other versions in the way of getting to us

[crude robin]

what no, it's not you are mixing stuff up,

the scene implies that the operator that took th deal survived thanks to it because other versions in the same situation died, we don't see all the versions there are in that scene

[brittle siren]

yeah, he just want less time shenanigan as much as possible

but Drifter still exist so he suck at it anyway

[loud oriole]

"i saved them, all of them. never said i'd save you"
-# meaning in our drifters timeline everyone else took deal except us

[crude robin]

the drifter's existence implies that there were other ways to survive but as rare ocurences

as most still died

[brittle siren]

so, you agree that Wally did kill most version of the OP

then why it come to Baro, you said that he make him a "hivemind"?

[pale cedar]

It’s actually seemingly impossible to kill all versions of us as there’s infinite Zarimen of each other

[brittle siren]

or it could be that the deal term is "please save everyone on Zariman" and Wally excluded Drifter for funsie

[loud oriole]

either or, we still drew the short stick

[crude robin]

because hive minds are the only versions constant through time and the most efficient way to solve the issue, also the baro requies doesn't involve him surviving in his universe but him being unique across multiple universes the baro situation is diferent from the zariman situation, as is the Parvos granus situation

[brittle siren]

Rell: who's the odd one now?

[brittle siren]

Crimson Baro:

[crude robin]

it's fishy as I said and probably an exception to the rule as is the drifter

[loud oriole]

Rell definitely needs more props given to him, i hate how in the lore everyone cast him aside for being 'weird' whilst he singlehandedly kept the indifference at bay for centuries while we were in snooze mode

[pale cedar]

Red Baro wasn’t even really Baro

[brittle siren]

he could be an alt version of him like Drifter, prob suffer more than our Baro

or he just Wally in disguise

[pale cedar]

Most likely the case since Voidtounge

[crude robin]

his texts where to emotional and desperate for him to be wally

[pale cedar]

Baro even said he hasn’t been around for weeks

Or something like that

Due to his drive being damaged

[crude robin]

and baro was in the void all that time, and the void is separate from time

[brittle siren]

though if red Baro is Wally, why even bother to do that though

[pale cedar]

Damage his drive?

[brittle siren]

not that, I mean selling stuffs for all Tenno and talk in cryptic

[pale cedar]

That’s what you do on Halloween

Trick or treat

Though Wally did both

[fast dew]

Tiny Albrecht hat :D

He has. Two hats.

[crude robin]

ok no the void isn't separate from time, the drifter still aged, the void is the space constant in time when considering eternalis, the void is the same everywhere the fabric between space variations in time events, if our baro was in void all the spots in the now would have been empty and by his request to wally the spots had to be filled with him

[crude robin]

where ?

[pale cedar]

You wouldn’t expect a rich man to have multiple of his hat in case a wall destroys one of them?

[fast dew]

Netracells

One there, one on his head

[crude robin]

cool

[fast dew]

I can't blame him, I have 3 of the same shirt

[loud oriole]

technically Albrecht has like probably 3 hats atleast if you count Wallbrecht

[fast dew]

Also i aint schizo this is a golden maw yeah?

[narrow pendant]

yes

[fast dew]

Why the shit does he have one 😭

[loud oriole]

why not

[fast dew]

How did he behead a golden maw is a better question

[pale cedar]

Better question

How did he get it?

[loud oriole]

probably wanted to see how the void affected it in his testing

[narrow pendant]

dont question a women her age, man his salary and an entrati their pet collections

[fast dew]

Also. In reference to that marie argument ||MOTHER DID FORGIVE ALBRECHT YOU SHIT. GOD DAMMIT MARIE.||

[pale cedar]

Have you forgiven Albrecht for the bullet yet?

[fast dew]

Yes thank you i have ibuprofen

[violet storm]

I’mma give him one as payback

[placid lion]

Uhhhh

I need to translate it eventually