lore-discussion

[fast dew]

https://tenor.com/view/cat-sphynx-cat-jump-shower-gif-18063578924957871776

[fast dew]

The fact Albrecht is just a cat dad and loves his cat

[dark compass]

You think she will start talking one day?

[winged flume]

Lying cat from Saga comes to mind.

[fast dew]

Nooo Albrecht cant love things

refuses to sacrifice his cat so he eradicates the last chance of survival the cevulites have, or whatever they're called

[winged flume]

#MingIsntDead

[fast dew]

I think she'll be important again but I don't think she'll be talking

[dark compass]

Tbh the only character i actually want to see scream at me in comms is Albrecht

[winged flume]

I thought for sure she was going to talk in 1999.

[dark compass]

I feel like there would be a certain air of importance if that happens

[fast dew]

I dont think Albrecht can scream

[dark compass]

I don't mean literally

[fast dew]

..oh

[dark compass]

I just mean that I wanna see Albrecht on comms during the mission when things finally get to the end of it

[fast dew]

I do want to see Albrecht actually get heated, but whether it's autism or ptsd, he can't show emotion for some reason

[dark compass]

Speaking with the emotional intensity of Quinn

[fast dew]

I do want to believe in the autisitc Albrecht idea, but I also do like the idea that he doesnt want to speak in ways that might strain his throat
(Cus fear of hurting it again, even though he wouldn't)

[dark compass]

Coughing

Lots of coughing

[fast dew]

I dont think he even coughs that much in the interrogation cutscene

Yeah, only coughs once to twice at the end

"Not my type"

turns into a man

Real Albrecht that's so real

[ocean geyser]

At least he realized in hindsight that he probably should have

Albrecht is stupid but at least he knows he’s stupid

[waxen mesa]

so is Erra Pazuul, or does Pazuul just think they are Erra

[strange plinth]

Pazuul/The Ram is using the body of Erra
how much of Erra is left there isn't exactly known

[oak wedge]

lol

[spice wedge]

Wait is that erra who was during the new war scene,where he grabs a human by a hand,where lotus orders him to let her down.

[strange plinth]

yes that is erra

[spice wedge]

And that pazuul,how does he looks like.

[spice wedge]

Oh my same as in during archon shard runs,where i see him.

[waxen mesa]

yeah, Pazuul is the current leader of Narmer

while the game doesn't do much to show it. Narmer is still a threat even after new war

[spice wedge]

Looks like TAU will show us many things.

[waxen mesa]

i can't help but think part of the reason Lotus wants to go to Tau is to try to heal Erra

or hunhow

[spice wedge]

But why did Ballas wanted the sun.

[waxen mesa]

unless hunhow isn't injured and is just stuck at the bottom of the ocean for other reasons

[spice wedge]

Because of the age as he getting old.

He hides himself for many reasons,plus after drifter visits him.

[strange plinth]

don't think he's stuck as much as he is just sitting down there
"I have wallowed here, it is true, fading in this deep hole, waiting to die..."

[dire mountain]

Hes so funny for that too

[waxen mesa]

I think hunhow is injured though....

[fast dew]

Wally is funny as shit

[dire mountain]

Wally is entrati's #1 hater

[waxen mesa]

However Uranus is frequently referred to as Hunhow's tomb

[dire mountain]

If anyone else wants him they gotta go through wally first 😭

[strange plinth]

its where he's been 'dead' since the old war
tyl regor opened the tomb and woke him up

[waxen mesa]

It might be a mix? originally he was regaining strength to leave Uranus but then he decided to just hang out down where it's wetter and better

[pine orchid]

space grandpa is just having a lie in :3

[dire mountain]

not entirely by choice

Free my boy hes guilty of it all but free him

[brittle siren]

Also, where is he during Old Peace lmao

[whole elbow]

Do I need to befriend get to "close" or even bestfriend everyone in KIM communicator? Is it important for some shops or replays of questline with 1999?

[strange plinth]

you have to get to Liked w/ each of the hex to attempt new year's eve again, but you don't need to interact with it beyond that if you don't want to iirc

[fast dew]

Mm, I think you need to get to liked and then R3 hex for the good ending of the hex quest, then you gotta get to r5 hex for the other protos (cept for the triad.)

[whole elbow]

So only basic 1999 need to reach "liked"?

[strange plinth]

aren't the triad locked behind r5 hex as well?

[fast dew]

Are they? God i hope they are

[whole elbow]

ok so i can ignore Kaya and Temple

[fast dew]

I mean if you wanna, there's also Velmnir and Minerva

[strange plinth]

i mean, you can get a cool guitar if you get Flare's good ending
but yea, you don't need to interact with them

[whole elbow]

I will talk with those 2

[fast dew]

But you won't have access to temporal Archimedia if you dont at least reach r5 hex

[whole elbow]

well it's not looking good in my opinion

[fast dew]

The most useless ones lol

[whole elbow]

yea i know

[fast dew]

Kaya has a whole game mode and flare has a whole warframe and their gear

[whole elbow]

I will only get temple subsume him and forget

[fast dew]

Them, and yeah, fair

[whole elbow]

He's like old Ember what DE stole from her

[strange plinth]

patchnotes just say old peace, but i swear they mentioned r5 hex somewhere

[fast dew]

Flare and Temple are a they/them. Remember that

[fast dew]

No bcs I swear they did too 😭

[whole elbow]

I didn't think anyone would instantly correct me

[fast dew]

Well, we do, because if we dont, folk won't know.

[whole elbow]

Anyway, thanks for pointing direction that after reaching r5 i can just stop this daily chat

[brittle siren]

So can we assume Nihil could still be one of the Seven that replace Nikoth place?

[tall echo]

No

[strange plinth]

i mean, we have no evidence that he was one of the seven now
just an executioner

[brittle siren]

But atm no other executioner was mentioned besides him and the Seven

[strange plinth]

the seven executors, and an executioner called nihil

[brittle siren]

Ah different word

[silk atlas]

Executor, not executioner

[tall echo]

Executioner and executor are different

One exists irl, the other doesn't

[winged flume]

Finished The Old Peace, so this was part of Ballas's treachery, he needed the Sentients to be hostile, so he made sure of it. I have a feeling he was funding through that other Executor to give weapons to the rebels.

[brittle siren]

So if there is a glass executioner, there could be a Jade Light executioner beside Nihil

[strange plinth]

maybe? an interesting thought tbh

[tall echo]

The entire rebellion was orchestrated by the 7

[brittle siren]

I thought there was only Nikoth who did this, Ballas is the one who actually put a real end to it. And even if the other 2 who voted against Tau did join Nikoth, the other 3 who voted for peace joining too would not make sense

[winged flume]

I like the inclusion of ghost Tenno to the story for a small added boost, though for me it didn't do much as I don't have much in the way of abilities unlocked for my Tenno.

Thematically it was golden.

Fighting against Hijacked Warframes was neat.

And that those Eggs were Terriformers and part of the Zariman was also very cool.

Now this Margulis that we see is that: "The Margulis" or Natah/Lotus/Margulis?

[brittle siren]

The Margulis, has her eye blind

[strange plinth]

actual margulis

[winged flume]

Shaka, when the wall fell.

[brittle siren]

No offence but it's really obvious

[strange plinth]

eh. there were a few hours right after everyone was first finishing the quest when it was still being debated
but that was mostly timeline stuff

[brittle siren]

But it is really, REALLY obvious if you connect it with the dialogue between Margulis and Ballas during the quest that Ballas takes Lotus away,

[winged flume]

I felt like Ur-Margulis has been dead since the Zariman incident, and that this Margulis is Iso-Margulis who is Natah.

[brittle siren]

No that is very wrong. Margulis died only after she developed the Second Dream tech

[strange plinth]

i mean
we know that margulis was executed for something involving the tenno, and its fairly directly said that ballas will kill her for her actions at the end of old peace (putting us to sleep and hiding us in lua)

[brittle siren]

And if Margulis died in Zariman, why would Lotus mimic her blind eyes

That make no sense

[winged flume]

Then maybe this is Ur-Margulis and we don't have Natah-gulis until they reach Earth.

[spice wedge]

Check when Ballas said margulis during the end of new war.

[brittle siren]

That's still his manipulation

[strange plinth]

natah only takes over in the second half of the old war, after ballas sends the vitruvian to hunhow. as that details the plan for her to burrow into the nest

[winged flume]

Ah, alright.

[brittle siren]

He takes advantage of Natah having memory loss to implant in her mind that she is Margulis and she loves Ballas so he could control her to kill us

[spice wedge]

Wait was drifter from the future and tenno from the present.

[brittle siren]

What the

[winged flume]

They're both past and present just seperate timelines .

[spice wedge]

Oh

[winged flume]

It's part of the "Paradox".

[spice wedge]

Make sense

[unique aspen]

I don't think being obvious and having a clear answer are actually the same thing - needing to remember details mentioned in conversation in a quest from several updates ago is exactly the sort of non-obvious detail that might bring someone to ask about it in a lore channel : P

[winged flume]

Wally made a blunder.

[spice wedge]

Power of the. Void

[strange plinth]

Operator: "Around? Okay, so what is this, then? Are you from the--"
Drifter: "--future? Naw... but that'd be a lot easier to get, now wouldn't it? As far as I can make it out: You're the me that got rescued from this shit. And I'm the you that did not. Not sure which of us got it worse."
from the new war

[brittle siren]

again, no offence, but if you play every quest beforehand, you should know that it is Margulis, not Natah

[spice wedge]

And that moment when tenno puts hands on his head 🤣

[brittle siren]

, I could think either you have a bad memory (which is acceptable), or a misconception like the person above me thinks Margulis died on Zariman

[winged flume]

I was thinking she died, after the Zariman incident when they found out. The Old Peace is before the revelation of getting Umbra and all that.

I was trying to piece where this new history lore sat.

[strange plinth]

it had been thought before that margulis was executed before the tenno were used in the old war
her being executed right after the old peace was a new development. is it clearer in hindsight? yes. but there can still easily be a moment of "wait, what?"

[spice wedge]

More question is how lotus achieved memories from margulis.

[brittle siren]

Yes but seeing Margulis with no eyes and still saying that she is Natah is blatantly ignorant imo

[brittle siren]

Ballas

[spice wedge]

Ouch Ballas has twisted mind

[brittle siren]

How he did it unsure, but he did it

[strange plinth]

not really? if natah had to appear in public, margulis's blinding was a known thing. she'd mimic the scars too

[spice wedge]

How

[brittle siren]

Natah always wears a helmet no? Even in her sentient form she still has it

It's more like her “real” head

The face is like a mask of hers to show expression, like Adis using a blue mask

[strange plinth]

given that she can perfectly mimic margulis, both with and without eyes, after the new war, i wouldn't say its a requirement

• it'd be kinda weird for the mimic queen to have a "tell"

[spice wedge]

hm lotus helmet is even in orbiter too.

[brittle siren]

Still, I don't think Ballas would want to see Margulis blind

[silk atlas]

Natah only came into the picture after Margulis died anyway, Ballas wasn't working with the Sentients yet at this point.

[thorny barn]

guys so the reason we can revive is bc of adis right?

and thats why other tenno can die?

[winged flume]

That is implied, but I thought it was a Void thingymahwhatsits. That Wally had plans for us.

[strange plinth]

maybe. other frames do have revive systems, evidenced by the mirage in Hidden Messages
i have a tinfoil hat theory about this whole thing

[winged flume]

DE is making it up as they go along with this campfire story. /sarcasm for laughs.

[strange plinth]

not entirely wrong, but they've got a plan for the next few years fairly consistently now

[winged flume]

Hoping into Uriel was so baller, and the TSO style orchestral metal was "chef's kiss".

And the isometric control to Uriel was very scene setting and just all around fitting. It felt like a classic bit of cinematography.

I'm just killing time until I offload about 50 or so GB of recorded stuff from another game and then I might hop back into Warframe to whittle a bit into the Event and get some things I don't have, mainly cosmetics, tchotchkes and the like.

Mods and Archanes I can get sometime elswhere and when, schematics if I don't have them, but basically tchotchkes.

I'm glad during the quest of "The Old Peace" that the Murmur wasn't too difficult that they were sort of squishy, as I rolled in and forgot I had the new gun from The Teacher in my loadout and was ill prepared, I had a sword the Nikana Prime that worked a bit. It was atleast set up to deal with Murmur.

Still unleveled it was at rank 24 I think, the new gun, that burst fire one. It was like level 5 maybe, and my Lex Prime was doing viral or caustic damage or something, something not Murmur related.

There's so much of this game I still have yet to do and I'm feeling like each day is uniquely my near final one; just some existentialism and such.

FOMO in the bones.

[cedar void]

Clem?

Oh wrong chat

[ocean geyser]

The old Peace takes place in the middle of the Old War
we've established this for a while already, but it's fair if you never realized

[strange plinth]

-# its more that he just did the quest

[winged flume]

I knew it was, I was trying to figure out which Margulis we had, not where we were.

I thought Natah had already infiltrated and was inacting her role already, and Ballas was already in on the deal.

[thick yacht]

Also another hot take

The Orokin Empire was already dying by the time we see it fully in the Old Peace

[ocean geyser]

i mean yeah
but that still should outline things
if Natah only existed during the second half of the Old War, why would we see her during the Old Peace?

[winged flume]

Didn't I just state my reasoning.

[ocean geyser]

i am a little tired so forgive me if i missed something

[thick yacht]

Natah was an agent of Ballas

[bright temple]

I mean, yeah?

[ashen pulsar]

I mean, it's so corrupt it would be hard to stay alive for that long. It should've collapsed long before we did it, but the orokin managed to hold on through fear

[ocean geyser]

probably
although not at first
Ballas is just a weirdo

[ashen pulsar]

well, at first no. then ballas reprogrammed her, but wasn't she the lotus by then?

or I should say after that

[strange plinth]

she became the lotus after the reprogramming, yea

[ashen pulsar]

so "natah" wasn't an agent of ballas

[winged flume]

She was Natah, to Margulis, then Lotus at least that's how I thought the programming went, because Ballas is a ||you naughty bird||.

Damn, I should have played this quest as Umbra, but I did it as my Mag Prime because I've been using Mag for all of the main and side and basically all the quests aside from Vox Solaris I was Ember.

[ocean geyser]

huh?

Old Peace??

[winged flume]

Yeah

[dire mountain]

I mean yeah? Pretty much

[ocean geyser]

....im fairly certain you're locked into Excalibur Prime when you play

[ashen pulsar]

there's a whole minute where you play as your frame so why would it matter

[ocean geyser]

oh

[strange plinth]

other than the one murmur section, yea

[winged flume]

Not when you do some Murmur stuff.

[ashen pulsar]

except for the tiny exterminate sequence near the refractory

[strange plinth]

i went with umbra to parallel the prime
for fun

[ashen pulsar]

I went with gus

I like gus

[winged flume]

That's what I should have done, at least I made my Operator face less derpy, the new faces messed up what I had and I needed to remake her.

[ocean geyser]

yeah
i guess i got confused because it made it seem like that affected the outcome of the whole quest

[winged flume]

It didn't affect much, just wanted thematic consistency aside from using my main frame that I've been in for most of it.

[ocean geyser]

i DID choose Umbra though
i even have Trumna Prime as a main weapon lmao

[winged flume]

I

I've missed some Primes, I like to buy the whole set out right and then use the stuff

for Baro stuff.

[ocean geyser]

that's certainly a way to do it

[winged flume]

I buy the Primes, then farm the relics and prints to get ducats so I can get other things. I do that in STO where I'll wait for Infinity and other Promo ships to land in a Mudd bundle and then use keys I buy in STO to get the other things in the lock boxes. Warframe is far easier for relics, but I still chose to buy the Primes and such for the cosmetics and the other things to be with reactors and things on go.

[ocean geyser]

STO....?

[winged flume]

I was just in a Star Trek kick this year for ease of mind and haven't delved into Warframe or even Halo for that matter because of a lot of reasons. One of them being my Deck has exorbitantly slow export times based off of the time size of the files.

Star Trek Online.

[ocean geyser]

oh

[winged flume]

So the Deck isn't like my Asus TUF A15 where my recordings of games I play (because I'm weird and life and games are transient) and I keep my recordings, all of them. So with the Asus it uses Nvidia. Now with the Deck I could use OBX or some other 3rd party recorder, but I don't know if it works on Console mode and not Desktop mode. SO I just use the native Steam Record.

Which makes offloading/ exporting then deleting the original file to make room on the Deck, time consuming.

With Windows it was a matter of them already being labeled, just select all, and cut paste to an external drive.

I should probably take a nap.

[winged flume]

Nap failed, the situation has changed leave no one else awake.

[fast dew]

Real

[lime wind]

gus prim

[narrow pendant]

https://tenor.com/view/gus-gus-sus-giancarlo-esposito-gif-23328188

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/gauss-prime-gauss-warframe-gauss-meme-warframe-meme-gif-13078930774228297629

[lime wind]

im stealing this

[sweet wadi]

I like Roathe lampshading Lotus just standing around awkwardly for the past half a year.

Also, has anyone else noticed that, for cutscenes and conversations, she is just ‘Lotus’, regardless of what name you gave her at the end of New War?

[pale cedar]

It would've been hard to fit the Natah rig

[sweet wadi]

I get that a lot of people want Space Mom, but I felt like giving Natah back the identity Ballas stole from her was the more mature option from my Operator’s PoV

‘You’re not just my mother, you’re you’ kind of thing.

[pale cedar]

They didn't actually ignore the choices completely

[sweet wadi]

Ah, nice!

Natah’s line fit for all three so I had no idea

[pale cedar]

DE probably thought they couldn't fit all 3 in so played it safe

[sweet wadi]

It’s fair enough from a design standpoint, yeah

Roathe calling out her behavior just made me think of it

[tall echo]

ok but it's lotus choosing not your character

[sweet wadi]

It’s been a minute, I didn’t remember that

What do we know of her relationship with Drifter anyway? The messages make it seem as if Drifter doesn’t interact with her much.

[tall echo]

yea

drifter is just the champion, a combat dude

or dudette

or. uh. genderneutralformofdude

[sweet wadi]

Strikes me as odd, you’d think she’d have no problem having one more adopted child.

[tall echo]

drifter isn't a child

[sweet wadi]

Child in the familial sense

You can adopt adults

[tall echo]

don't think she can consider drifter her child

like she is incapable of doing so

[sweet wadi]

Raises interesting ontological questions about eternalism then. If they are a branch of the operator, are they a distinct person no different from a complete stranger with an identical history? Can Lotus only view Tenno as her children? Is a Tenno defined by their experiences and training, or their powers?

All rhetorical, to be clear.

Ordis at the very least seems to view them as equals

[tall echo]

a tenno is defined by being from the zariman

ten-0

[pale cedar]

Where can you adopt adults? I've never seen this approved anywhere

[sweet wadi]

It happens quite often in Japan actually, where familial lines are important for businesses and the like.

[tall echo]

of course the strangest country has it

everything I hear about japan is just. odd

[sweet wadi]

Look do you want the ninjas for your space ninja game, or not?

[tall echo]

we're not space ninjas anymore

[sweet wadi]

…. I feel old

[tall echo]

"ninjas play free" got replaced

[tall echo]

welcome aboard, I'm only 20 and I regularly feel old bc there's newer players in games I've played for years

[pale cedar]

What's it now?

[sweet wadi]

I was around for weapon channeling….

And The Lotus being an organization

[tall echo]

I have no idea

[tall echo]

I was around for... uh.. purple lotus?

[sweet wadi]

Regardless I though tenno was specifically the name given to the children recovered from the zariman

[tall echo]

I've only been playing for 4 years and not much happened

[pale cedar]

If there's no replacement I'm still saying “Ninjas play free”

[tall echo]

yes

[sweet wadi]

So drifter isn’t a tenno because the Orokin never recovered or trained them. They just woke up from Duviri.

[tall echo]

technically

[pale cedar]

With how Drifter is now I'd still call Drifter Tenno since they did survive the Zariman

[tall echo]

ye

[strange turtle]

Dud

[tall echo]

that's. not good

[ocean geyser]

Dude is thematically gender neutral

[narrow pendant]

call them voidtrauma

its genderneutral, thanks quincy!

[winged flume]

I want the uniform from the Tauron Academy as a wearable thing outside the mission, I haven't checked the in game store yet for it.

[dark compass]

It's space trauma

[dark compass]

It was from Caliban Prime Access

[winged flume]

Damn, now I have to wait for Varzia to bring it back around, sadness.

Life, was being life so I haven't really been back to Warframe much. Trek was easier.

Oh well, the Dex outfit is my current go to.

[gray jackal]

this is a bit of a silly question BUT

when lizzie messages the drifter though the KIM messenger, does she take over flare? or is it lizzie, as a guitar, somehow growing limbs, walking over to the computer and messaging the drifter?

silly ik but its something i’ve been thinking about for a while…maybe i’m misunderstanding how techrot/infested creatures work but i always thought lizzie growing limbs somehow and messaging the drifter in an angry spiel was a funny image

[lean garden]

first one, but the second one is always funny to imagine

[sharp igloo]

if i replay the New War quest, will it change how my operator or drifter looks? i see in some playthroughs that their operator or drifter looks dif in cutscenes

[dark compass]

she takes over, but its funny to imagine the silly guitar using those small claws to type

[humble sierra]

For some scenes your Drifter will have the same cosmetics as they do outside of the quest, but for the most part it's the default Drifter/Zariman suit, I believe

[brittle siren]

unable to date Roathe due to bug is just suck

[proper barn]

Okay so Flare themselves is connected to Lizzie. Its why lizzie can "eat things" seemingly through Flare somehow.

So I assume that's also how Lizzie "types" to you.

[brittle siren]

Is this confirmed Albrecht has the og finger of Wally?

[proper barn]

I think it was Said in Isleweaver he has it and has hid it?

[drowsy saddle]

Isn't the original finger the one on the Zariman?

[dark compass]

They say it's a copy

Some people actually play void armageddon

[drowsy saddle]

Sorry i only play good gamemodes, like Hijack

[brittle siren]

is this bad

I just argue with her about her faith in Albrecht

[brittle siren]

even so, the finger in our RJ should already give it away

[placid lion]

Back again on my sanctum theory

I just watched it actively rotate

Split down the middle again, and I heard a ticking clock

[lilac aspen]

https://tenor.com/view/albrecht-entrati-the-man-in-the-wall-warframe-1999-warframe-you-are-late-warframe-jojo-gif-4432154459658682236

[placid lion]

Ugly ass smile

[lilac aspen]

Hey
Wally has a great smile!

Don’t judge it

[ashen pulsar]

https://tenor.com/view/warframe-man-hello-chat-hello-chat-gif-24187047

[lilac aspen]

Bro is just jolly

[cosmic badge]

I hope ita not bad as i have that too

[ocean geyser]

This reminds me
I feel like EVERY Zariman and Sanctum endless node should have an Omnia
Feels weird without it

[misty sedge]

do we know who Drifter is referring to in the KIM conversations where they mention they lost someone to self-harm? I can't remember if that's been mentioned before or if its something introduced in the KIM conversation

[lean garden]

its a flavour choice for you

free for you to imagine

[misty sedge]

ah ok gotcha

[summer tundra]

do we have a list of confirmed kills from the Night of Naga Drums?

or is it just still a vague ephemeral "All the Orokin except probably whoever the plot needs to be alive"

like, are the Emperors confirmed dead?

[sudden monolith]

Probably no one is confirmed dead. I mean look how long ballas survived, and he was one of the seven executors.

[summer tundra]

Yeah. And Roathe vaguely implies Nitokh is alive too

the 2 Emperors caught my attention in the Old Peace. They're probably mentioned elsewhere in the lore but I think it'd be cool to learn more about them

[sudden monolith]

Ultimately continuity is a thing.

[summer tundra]

it is, yeah

[stray herald]

Man, if thats the case, ima make a guess that tau will be nitokh’s base

With her being the ‘empress’ of tau, controlling the sentients there

[summer tundra]

DE needs to have a back pocket full of plot threads for when they inevitably milk Albrecht for all he's worth

[strange plinth]

the emperors, 3 of the seven (Avantus, Karishh, Tuvul), Son's partner. maybe more i'm forgetting
emperors were at the ceremony, from stalker's codex, so they more than likely died. Avantus's death is described in the crewman synthesis entry, Karishh's in Grendel's leverian, and Tuvul's in Voruna's leverian. Son mentions he was to be married, and we got in the way

[stray herald]

Is the solar rail destroyed?

The one that sends ppl to tau?

[strange plinth]

our side is, unknown on the tau side

[summer tundra]

It was still there before Roathe got sent back to the past, samurai jack

[lean garden]

I don't think they gave a number for the emperors

[stray herald]

I rlly want to know more about the ‘lords of tau’ and the orokin ‘emperors’

[summer tundra]

coulda swore it was said somewhere that there were 2 of them but I guess that's fair. We do know there was definitely more than 1 though

[summer tundra]

Hunhow was one of them at the very least

[lean garden]

on account of the s in emperors yea

[stray herald]

I hope we get an archon shard to revive adis

[summer tundra]

That would be cool but I think Adis's story works better if he stays dead

[strange plinth]

it took 3 to revive lotus, and she died recently
adis has been dead for a while

[summer tundra]

Lotus was also able to zombify herself

[stray herald]

He can just be an eidolon

[summer tundra]

adis kinda just dropped to the ground

[stray herald]

He spent all his energy, his batteries just died. We can recharge him

Like an old nokia phone

[summer tundra]

if we show up on Tau and get jumpscared with Eidolon Zombie Adis loosely muttering his final words at us I'd love that

Operator clearly isn't traumatized enough

[stray herald]

Knowing lotus wants to find sentients that can heal like adis, revitalizing tau will most likely be the end goal of the ‘tau arc’

[summer tundra]

I'm honestly still stuck on the albrecht arc right now. Have we ever even met Albrecht once, I wonder?

Like can we actually prove we have, I mean

[stray herald]

In 1999 we did

[summer tundra]

Did we? Or was that Wally wearing his face?

[strange plinth]

why would wally give us the exact method to kick him out of 1999 and then throw a fit and invade duviri about it

[stray herald]

Whos to say, but al was there being tortured by wally

Wally/rusalka

[summer tundra]

Fair, I don't think Wally would torture himself

I'm just stuck on that scene where wally is talking about the deal

and then presumably wally walks up to himself wearing albrechts face to do the we end as we began thing

[strange plinth]

• that albrecht did not have the wally eyes

[summer tundra]

so every time albrecht is on screen I'm just like "Are you actually though?"

[strange plinth]

other than rusalka (because that is a different situation), every form wally appears in has the black/purple eyes. albrecht at the end of the hex does not have that, but the albrecht at the end of whispers does

[summer tundra]

What about the "You are late" scene?

I think that was lotus eaters?

[lean garden]

kalymos is there, gotta be albrecht

[proper barn]

Albretch is in Kalymos theory staying strong

Talking Kalymos in 2026 I'm calling it.

[strange plinth]

best guess is that there's a swap right then
the eyes are normal + kalymos is there, then the eyes are hidden when he smiles (which loid points out as very unusual)

[lean garden]

or, albrecht's learnt some void tongue

[fast dew]

I mean. Wally pretending to be Albrecht isn't new

Especially to gain the favour of Albrecht's companions (like oraxia)

[fast dew]

You can usually tell by the eyes, like Grey said, but if its audio only, try to listen for weird shit. Like that time wally was pretending to be Albrecht and said "your kind" and not "our kind" in reference to humans. Oh, and if you can hear voidtongue. The whole xata fass xata deal. He also usually cant appear as two people at once? But that's up for debate.

He did it once and like

Never did it again

[strange plinth]

he did it once as the operator and albrecht at the end of whispers and then he chooses to pace back and forth as albrecht and loid in the interrogation scene of the hex

[dire mountain]

Wait when did he say "your kind"

[fast dew]

Yeah your kind, or your species or something like that, in the metro train thing from the ARG. It was explicitly differentiating us from him

[strange plinth]

the one message he talks super slow in

[fast dew]

Which now knowing what the ARG did, makes a lot of sense.

[fast dew]

Yeah that was annoying. Like damn dude hurry the hell up

[dire mountain]

Oh I remember now

But also yeah whenever Wallenstein be speaking English you'll be able to hear a second voice behind it

Its like English with a voidtongue accent for like of a better term

[fast dew]

Lotta ways to identify homie

[dire mountain]

||Lotus also did it that one time but we dont know whats up with that||

[proper barn]

I think we might get a like "I agreed to work with him and i regret it" reveal at some point from Albretch.

[fast dew]

Nah, Albrecht might be a little stupid but I don't think he's that stupid

[proper barn]

I think he would have done it a long time ago.

[fast dew]

I just cant see it tbh

[proper barn]

Like A Standford working with Bill Situation. This also might go into the like "Wally always existed." Theory.

Which the new Kim stuff feels SO CONFUSING on what is true about it.

Cuz every Person from the Church has a different opinion about Wallys Origin.

[dire mountain]

I think thats the point

[proper barn]

Probably.

[pine orchid]

it does feel like them acknowledging the theories without committing to one right now, which I think is fine Xd

I don't need to know whether Wally is an actual god or Albrecht's CE'd bogeyman trauma to be invested in wanting to fight against him

but I love entertaining theories and thought experiments, it's fun

[wind ruin]

Albrecht is Dr. Frankenstein. 'Wally' is his Monster. Note that most of the problems in the book resulted from Dr. Frankenstein immediately rejecting his Monster and not wanting anything to do with it.

Note that Albrecht immediately rejected "Wally".

Just... leaving it there.

[fast dew]

Tbf wally made no attempt for contact. Albrecht went into the void many times after that and wally never showed up.

[wind ruin]

...rejection does not have to be in words; in Albrecht's case, it was in his actions.

[fast dew]

I mean

[wind ruin]

Wally reached for Albrecht's, albrecht's immediate reaction was revulsion, horror, and fear.

[fast dew]

You forget that during the void incident, Albrecht was quite literally dying

[paper isle]

im only an hour into reading/listening to the lore of warframe and im lowkey scared of zariman missions now. so creepy

[fast dew]

It was a 1:1 copy of him?????

Who was speaking his childhood name??

[wind ruin]

Wally was.

[fast dew]

Yes?? So Albrecht reacting with fear is normal???

Its literally a human instinct to be scared of things that look too close to a human

Thats like. The whole uncanny Valley

I dont see where Albrecht rejected and wanted nothing to do with Wally.

Albrecht was quite literally dying.

He needed to get out.

[lean garden]

I mean

thats pretty much it

the whole "ohshitwtfgetawayfrommeshutthedoorquickquickcyalateralligator" followed up by "lets throw hands bucko"

would constitute as rejection

and Im half certain if you rummage through some psychoanalytical texts it would qualify too

[swift sentinel]

Albrecht never attempted to fight back, only run

[strange plinth]

intentional or not, he caused its fingers to get cut off

[swift sentinel]

I'm not willing to put that on Albrecht, since he didn't know the Indifference was reaching through when he said to close it.

[strange plinth]

the indifference blames him for it, and that's what would matter for the dr frankenstein comparison
even if the fear and running away doesn't count as rejection, the injury certainly does

[swift sentinel]

AH, I see then yeah

[lean garden]

Psychoanalytic theres something to be yapped about the "destruction" when a self figures out that theyre separate from the parent

but what do I know? I'm no psych major and even psych majors look at psychoanalysis as more of a history of the craft instead of an instruction manual

[pine orchid]

even if the whole cutting finger thing is accidental, the whole taking it, cloning it, and using it as the basis for space travel tech instead of returning it certainly would understandably be upsetting imho XD

[fast dew]

We also dont know if he actually. Did the cloning part

[strange plinth]

that bit is more on the general orokin than albrecht

[fast dew]

He doesn't seem to be particularly involved in any outside the one in the zariman

[strange plinth]

"butchering like your forefathers did" or whatever he says. i'll find it
"But those before you were butchers. Flayed flesh... for stolen stars.
But those before you. They did not ask. They butchered me. My flesh fed their greed."

[fast dew]

The theory is that it cloned itself 😭

[pine orchid]

sure, but it was still smth that was catalysed by Albrecht so like

[fast dew]

It explains the discrepancy between the singular finger on Wally's model and the several that are mentioned by Albrecht and Yonta

[pine orchid]

I can see it being as far as Wally's concerned it's all Albrecht's fault in the first place

[swift sentinel]

The Indifference also hasn't shown that much regard for Albrecht other than what Albrecht says. It seems far more interested in the Operator/Drifter

[fast dew]

Ehh

[thick yacht]

I was thinking about something, would what we did to the Orokin (leadership specifically) count as an assassination or a coup?

[fast dew]

Equally interested.

He is currently gunning for everywhere Albrecht has been

[strange plinth]

a coup involves putting someone else in place of who you killed, i believe
so it'd fall under assassination, out of those two

[fast dew]

Its not where the drifter or operator is. Its where Albrecht was

We just happen to follow it a lot

[swift sentinel]

It is interesting that the only place we know that Albrecht has been that the Indifference has not, is La Cathedrale.

[proper barn]

Kullervos crime when he tries to kill Ballas is "regicide."

So that I guess?

[fast dew]

Its only been opened in very recent times. It doesn't have a connection the the void until Roathe opens it to the sanctum. And you could say Lyon is being tormented by wally

[thick yacht]

Isn’t it also apostasy

[proper barn]

Maybe?

[strange turtle]

The crimes were Murder, Cowardice, Flight From Just Custody, Treason, Espionage, Treason (again) and Attempted Regicide

[golden raptor]

can protoframes get pregnant

[limpid frigate]

Possibly, considering a full warframe did

[strange plinth]

she wasn't a warframe when that happened, though

[golden raptor]

but wasnt jade already pregnant before she got turned into a wf

[fast dew]

The warframe was pregnant before she was a warframe.

[proper barn]

I worry about the fetus being a infested creature.

[proper barn]

And the fetus was changed on purpose.

[limpid frigate]

True she was pregnant before, but no guessing how far along.

[strange plinth]

going to say no, because the internals required have probably been subsumed already
wouldn't be necessary

[golden raptor]

i mean, protoframes have biological needs (insert eleanor pissing kim chat excerpt here) so there's at least some kind of organ down there still working

[proper barn]

As part of the "punishment."

[proper barn]

Oh we know for sure their bits work

From whats his face

[limpid frigate]

Well in the case of Jade's baby, it became a Warframe, but more then likely a unique Warframe one with a mind of it's own.

[proper barn]

Sniper man and Elanor and

Other woman

And adhd man

And Knight leader man.

LETTIE.

Arthur amir

AND sniperman.

I know his name I see it its not a normal name.

[golden raptor]

visually, it's clear that warframes don't have reproductive organs, but since jade is pregnant... does that mean she's the only warframe with an actual "working" one? lmao

[proper barn]

I see his face.

Quincy.

[proper barn]

Okay so the protos seemingly a lot of their bits seemingly aren't actually infested. Quincy says so Lettie says so. Elanor says so and she's afraid if she has a big O she might explode her partners head off. The Couple talk about "building up a resistance" to each others like "physical attribute" they now give off. I.e. posiom and cold.

[limpid frigate]

But with proto's they have alot changed from the Helminth Strain, but I would ASSUME that if their desire for procreation was great enough the Infested in their blood would comply.

Cuz you gonna remember the infested parts are alive. and more then not they honestly like you and want the best for you. like a symbiote from marvel.

Your well being is in their best interest because they live in your body too.

But if they also have a tendecy to think having you join the hive mind is in your best interest as seen with Lizzie. and with our own Helminth in the ship etc.

With Jade the Infestation in her body could have very easily just eliminated the baby.
but i choose to believe it responded to her will. which is why she kept alot of her mind intact, and also her baby was kept. but the infestation DID reinforce the baby with Infested stuff

[proper barn]

I think their like a scarab.

And open up. BUT

[limpid frigate]

oh thats a good comparison too

[proper barn]

I think it's more likely

That those parts of them aren't actually infested.

Cuz they have clothes on that they can take off seemingly.

Like Kaya have a lot of "normal skin" on her she just have clothes on. For lettie she's the only one that has normal feet.

[limpid frigate]

if anything since its a "weakpoint" the infest probaly covers the private parts up when not in use

[proper barn]

Eh.

I think the infestation isn't that far along.

But yes Quincy says their parts work

Explicitly.

[nova talon]

Do we know where albrecht was during the old war while we where screwing around perita doing our biz?

[fast dew]

Everywhere.

[limpid frigate]

Mostly probably on Deimos in his lab doing shit

[fast dew]

We have no definitive proof, but we know that the sanctum was locked after the old peace iirc

[brittle siren]

https://fixupx.com/shieldgating/status/2006864031316168875?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

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Chains of Harrow Rell writings (1/2)

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FixupX · Jan 1, 2026, 11:04 PM

Hmmmm

So is this still confirmed that Rell was cast out because he hurt Margulis?

https://fixupx.com/shieldgating/status/2006864163201757460?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

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FixupX · Jan 1, 2026, 11:04 PM

This profile posts a lot of Warframe assets

[dark compass]

I wish it was a bit more red

[brittle siren]

Also, the Wall form is much before New War, hinted Wally already use this form since the beginning

https://fixupx.com/shieldgating/status/2006782947018551767?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

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Zariman Ten-Zero Graffiti (3/4)

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FixupX · Jan 1, 2026, 5:41 PM

[dark compass]

Nef Anyo if he was a mortal kombat 3 character

[fast dew]

My question is. How did Albrecht know of the wall form?

[dark compass]

Actually this sprite looks more like the later games

Like ps2 era games

[fast dew]

"That man, trapped in the wall" Albrecht homie you've. You've never seen that form what do you mean.

[proper barn]

Hey his new model has a giant headset

[lean garden]

consider that wally made that form in response to albrecht

[proper barn]

Okay so. He looks through a way to see him originally to be fair.

[lean garden]

because wally is trapped behind the wall of lohk

[fast dew]

Mm. Maybe?

[dark compass]

I can't wait to get Harrow Prime

[proper barn]

We don't if that's true. Also some of the Drifter dialog does talk about Wally being trapped in the wall.

[fast dew]

As in buy him or

[proper barn]

Very odd.

[dark compass]

In the oven. 1 day left

[fast dew]

Its just odd. Albrecht only saw it as himself, and I wouldn't call wally trapped in the wall of lohk, which is a seperate thing to the void

[lean garden]

that wouldn't really change what I said, since drifter would really only know wally much later in wally and albrechts dance

[dark compass]

Exchanged it for another prime set

[brittle siren]

Probably Wally flashing this in Abrecht brain

[brittle siren]

I think the Wall of Lohk was the first ever connection of reality with the void

[humble sierra]

The Zariman graffiti scares me the most

First time I saw the rectangle of Wally, I genuinely had to stop the slaughter for a few moments

The art itself is haunting but so are the implications

[brittle siren]

How much do Roathe hate Albrecht:

[restive river]

I don’t think he meant the form we see nor is that what he describes

[thick yacht]

wtf Orokin is that you?

You know I can really understand why people don’t like continuity

🗿

Orokin are cringe and lame

Can’t believe I was defending them

[fast dew]

Well, its not so much the idea of continuity, but the practice of stealing children and effectively killing them

[drowsy saddle]

We see from the grineer queens that continuity relies on mentally traumatizing the victim till they're braindead

[tall echo]

Nuh

The "traumatizing" is teshin trying to force out the operator's potential, not the process of continuity

[heady quest]

The trapezial portal is kinda edge in the wall so he is referring to that being like a wall where Wally is behind “trapped in the wall” of his laboratory

And then Wally really did became a wall

He said bet… I am wall now

[errant geode]

Is Necraloid a name like as it oh grandfather changed loid into a machine so let's call it necra-loid instead of just loid or necraloid like a machine name and there are other necraloids out there

sorry about the weird shower thought

[fast dew]

No this is a valid thought

We know a little more now as well

||mother, after the reunion with loid, mentions "necralised", meaning it was its own distinct term||

[raw stone]

Roathe does explain the practice used to be different. Not so much in actual transmission but just. Societal context.

[cunning tapir]

iirc, the Yuvans used to be willing sacrifices rather than just children that were force into it.

[pine orchid]

I have it in my head Albrecht making a dad joke when he copied Loid and he’s like “this is a Necra-LOID! get it?? bc it’s LOID?” and Loid is just there like 🙎‍♂️

[fast dew]

I like this.

I also like to think when people say Albrecht's n Loid's relationship was abusive, that it was Loid throwing shit at Albrecht when he was being stupid

[pine orchid]

like a collection of various animal floofs maybe?

[fast dew]

I meant a bottle of that corrosive liquid (vitrol?) But floofs work

[sinful ivy]

anyone got a yt channel recommendation for wf lore?
something similar to mynameisbyf from destiny if possible

[raw stone]

It doesn't read as vitriolic, their relationship.

Albrecht is cold and indifferent to Walbrecht's taunts probably because he is cold and indifferent. As for why Loid fell for Albrecht? Who knows. But to me, it's like Loid is mourning Albrecht's death, though he isn't actually dead. Doesn't seem to be that their relationship was like that, you know?

[fast dew]

Oh i know, I just like to think of it as a way to not burst a blood vessel when someone suggests Albrecht was abusive to loid. Because the mental image of Loid throwing shit at Albrecht is funny to me

[pale cedar]

https://youtu.be/5ekJpbdRz4Y?si=3Ckd0R-Z7Rnw7Xvj

[fast dew]

They loved each other, very very much. We saw what Albrecht is like to someone he doesn't like.

[fast dew]

Oh wait.

No lmfao, hes cold to wally because he cannot show emotion to wally

Thats. A bad idea.

It would give wally ammunition

[sweet wadi]

I feel like people romanticize Albrecht and Loid for the sake of their Old Man Yaoi. Albrecht manipulates people, even the ones he cares about. Especially the ones he cares about.

[fast dew]

Uh. No

That's a wild take

[raw stone]

Emotionally abusive. That's the word

[fast dew]

God.

[raw stone]

Unfortunately we only have what DE gives us.

[fast dew]

Where has Albrecht been emotionally abusive.

Being unable to communicate effectively?

Something MANY relationships have??

especially with traumatised people??

[sweet wadi]

Should we start with his daughter, the protoframes, or how he asked Loid to wait alone in stasis for who knows how long?

[fast dew]

I guess that means im emotionally abusive because I cant communicate when im overwhelmed.

[fast dew]

Do you know what stasis is? Its like anaesthetic. You do not remember the time in there.

Youre also ignoring that his daughter was a grown ass adult with kids

[sweet wadi]

I think you’re projecting identifiable traits onto Albrecht a little here.

[fast dew]

He left his GROWN ASS ADULT TO THEIR OWN DEVICES

How horrible.

Making an adult be an adult.

[sweet wadi]

Ok, I didn’t mean to make this personal but it clearly is. I apologize.

[fast dew]

No i just think you have no media literacy.

Im just sick of people assuming that shit

When they clearly do not know what emotional abuse is.

[pale cedar]

Albrecht still raised his daughter alone till she was an adult even if he wasn't very good at it

[sweet wadi]

His daughter is also explicitly an abuser obsessed with his approval.

[fast dew]

Yeah. That's her own choice??.

[pale cedar]

That's her problem not his fault

[fast dew]

She chose to stab her husband.

He didnt go in and tell her to do that

Its a failure on herself for not asking for help when she needed it.

A failure on the family for not actually being there for her.

[sweet wadi]

You don’t think she learned those traits from someone?

[fast dew]

Do you think Albrecht killed his wife or something?

[sweet wadi]

No?!

[fast dew]

Okay so where else do you want that to be from????

[pale cedar]

There's a lot you can blame Albrecht for

His daughter wanting to chase him still despite being a fully grown adult is not one of them

[sweet wadi]

The obsessive need for approval is not something you see in a well raised child

[fast dew]

Its something you see in a single parent situation though.

And uh. Yeah. You can see it in regular children.

It could very well be from Euleria's mother dying.

[pale cedar]

There's adults that do this irl despite being raised well

[fast dew]

Literally my father is like that and worst he has was getting his appendix cut out

[strange turtle]

Yuvans are the Continuity people, they’re talking about Roathe mentioning that making Cephalons/consciousness uploads can be done without glassing/execution

[fast dew]

Also. It very well could be a genetic thing. Certain mental illnesses are genetic!

I get the feeling he did not want to have children. At least, not with Gerivaine

[pale cedar]

Some adults choose to depend on their parents even if they don't need to anymore

[sweet wadi]

You’re getting really worked up over this and I don’t really want to be yelled at for thinking the man willing to nuke a city and trick people into becoming body horror monstrosities with dysmorphia isn’t the best guy. So I’m stepping out.

[fast dew]

He. Didnt nuke the city.

Why does everyone think that

[pale cedar]

The bomb was going to go off anyway

[fast dew]

He was literally far, far away from thr reactor and it still goes off

And it continues to go off if you don't do the correct ending

[pale cedar]

He needed it to escape but it wasn't something he could avoid happening

[fast dew]

So. That means it's not Albrecht doing it.

Because after the one where he shoots us, he isn't actually there.

The whole year was now incased in that loop, and it, and Albrecht still wasn't there for it.

Catastrophic Albrecht autism

[strange turtle]

I somehow doubt the fact that so far none of the protos, who were selectively chosen by Albrecht, who haven’t had enough of an issue with the very major modifications and new bodies that it comes up as an serious issue that we help them resolve or even just comes up in KIM, is a coincidence

[pale cedar]

I remember someone complaining because we didn't see Albrecht physically walking to the Hex and was just there

[strange turtle]

Like. The worst we see is Eleanor, which mainly isn’t even dysmorphia from the transformation itself but the actual perception of those changes as making her monstrous

[fast dew]

Mhm.

[fast dew]

... the man who can teleport. Doesn't... walk to things...

[pale cedar]

Except when he wants to tell you you're late

[fast dew]

Listen. He's queer. He probably has some history in theater. He gotta do it for the metaphorical camera.

I do it all the time

[strange turtle]

There was a necramite off-screen with an old video recorder taped onto it

[fast dew]

When I have to deal with some absolute bullshit, I look at the metaphorical camera

[pale cedar]

I think I scared Wally out of my Backroom by placing 2 chairs because he hasn't shown up for months at this point

[fast dew]

Yeah he has had really weird spawn rates

[pale cedar]

Maybe they're bugged rn

[fast dew]

He's weird rn

Weird fella

[pale cedar]

Hurry up Wally come read the love shared on the PC so you die

[fast dew]

Loid and the Family are together again

[strange turtle]

The Love Aura from POM-2 is repelling him

[fast dew]

All we need is Albrecht and the family is complete

[strange turtle]

Makes it harder to appear

[pale cedar]

I think that's bugged for me rn because I have the they will help thing but I'm getting no messages or anything

[fast dew]

Yeah its been a little bugged.

Youre not missing out on much.

[dapper bloom]

I need clarification on a Lyon KIM chat, he implied or stated that every Harrow can in a way sense or know the other Harrows. Because of the way the Helminth infestation exists in all time at the same time. Does this mean the same connection between all warframes of the same strand? (all excaliburs, all rhinos, all mags, etc.)

[strange turtle]

Yes

Most likely not exactly in the way he views and experiences it, but yeah

[summer tundra]

I think one of the hex express something similar

[brittle siren]

https://fixupx.com/shieldgating/status/2007048923752566819?s=46&t=5XSoAshUqsO-YG_gq2tB3Q

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1999 Höllvania during Spring

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FixupX · Jan 2, 2026, 11:18 AM

Kudo for who ever made these skybox

[dapper bloom]

i think Eleanor talks to us about reaching to her other self yes

goins off-game here but if anyone ever saw Attack on Titan fully then this "memory sharing" state of presence as some sort of witness reminds me of ||when one of the titan shifters eats the next and then the one devoured lives inside the new shifter's memories|| in the way Lyon shared his memories with Rell

at tennnocon lore panel the writers said everything goes through Reb before making it out, maybe in some way she also brings ideas from outside into the writing team

[woven coyote]

I mean it is usual sci fi hivemind rlly

But yeah they definetely dont shy away from taking outside inspiration

[strange turtle]

That’s just a psychic power/void thing, not the Infestation connection

That one’s just her contacting herself if she had followed through and became nun

[woven coyote]

Yet another parallel with 40k and the warp

Eleanor really pulled an astropath on that situation

[hollow siren]

The Zariman is just the Event Horizon

[woven coyote]

Lol

[hollow siren]

https://tenor.com/view/william-weir-event-horizon-sam-neill-wont-need-eyes-to-see-gif-15977214

[violet saffron]

is it still canon that the "one arm longer than the other" thing that Ballas and the Entrati family have going on was a punishment?

or has that been chucked into the retconian

[fast dew]

That... was a thing at all?

[hollow siren]

Most Orokin have that, the punishment thing I have never heard anyone mention

it was a fashion thing

[fast dew]

It was just a fashion statement

[woven coyote]

Where did you get such a wyld and unfounded take?

[hollow siren]

Albrecht is actually the only Orokin we've seen for sure to not have it, maybe Roathe too

[violet saffron]

...I would not put it past my bootyass memory to be misremembering "they have a thing for asymmetry" as "they have a thing for symmetry" and have extrapolated that long, long ago.

[woven coyote]

Yeah think you swapped the two

We have the idea they disliked symmetry in the way the despise clones and anyone that looks like a clone, as seen with the kuria poem about the twin queens

[fast dew]

Roathe did recently continuity into a new body, didnt he? So maybe he only had time for the skin change over the whole surgery that was for a long arm

[violet saffron]

I think it was the way Ballas was, for a time, kind of depicted as a bit of an outcast around the time space mom went out for ciggies? and how he covered that arm with a Big Cloth.

[hollow siren]

yeah that is likely

[violet saffron]

I think my brain went "ah yes clearly that's him covering up a punishment"

[woven coyote]

Ballas was literally one of the most powerfull figures of the empire

He was never an outcast

[violet saffron]

thanks for clearing that up y'all

[fast dew]

No they just dont use that arm for shit 😭

Albrecht was an outcast but id imagine it wasn't for the lack of a long arm

[violet saffron]

yeah that makes less sense now, now that we know more about the situation. But this was... gods, when did we get stuck with Hololotus?

was a damn long time ago now

[fast dew]

Ik it was... god. A while.

[violet saffron]

so it's like that pinky nail thing

[fast dew]

I started playing after those 2ish years

[fast dew]

Like the what

[woven coyote]

Back then we already knew he was powerfull

Being part of the seven pretty much guarantees he is one of the most powerfull and influential

Not to mention the very old log where he bamboozled the council into wanting to make the sentients

[hollow siren]

the pinky fingers have been steadily but slowly shrinking over history, so some scientists theorize it is retracting due to not being used much

[violet saffron]

old chinese symbol of wealth, basically.

[hollow siren]

oh wow two wildly different reasons nvm

[violet saffron]

"I don't have to do work with my hands" translating to "ho you think I bother to clip that?"

[fast dew]

Lol these are both funny

But yeah, pretty much

[violet saffron]

I learned that from battletech funnily enough

[fast dew]

Its likely why Albrecht didnt choose to have a long arm. Bro was busy doing shit

[strange turtle]

The slaps must’ve been vile

[violet saffron]

there was this guy working for I think the Draconis Combine? His patron had three long fingernails for the reasons said above, so he gave his mech three long bladed fingernails to use as a weapon.

[fast dew]

Real

Ive torn a few shirts from having a longer thumbnail so that is possible

[violet saffron]

Mine are usually pretty short and blunt, esp middle pointer and thumb, but for practical reasons

[fast dew]

-# I chew and rip my nails up so having a long nail generally means im doing good mentally, its not cus i do drugs i swear

Consider

Albrecht probably had to pay taxes

[hazy prism]

Do you guys think they'll add another character like Rell, a Tenno who is not directly affiliated with the Lotus and the Other Tenno

[raw stone]

Probably not.

[pale cedar]

Issue I see with that is they would have to have been cast out

[hazy prism]

i was thinking along the lines of a Rogue operator, who chose to not align themself with the Lotus for whatever reason

[raw stone]

Again: They would have to have been cast out prior to meeting The Lotus.

Re: The Acolytes

[pale cedar]

The closest we got to a non-Tenno affiliated after Chains was Drifter

And that didn't stay like that

[hazy prism]

i'm confused, what lore on the Acolytes do we have besides they follow Stalker for some reason?

[pale cedar]

Acolytes seem to be Tennoless

But with no lore

We don't know

[raw stone]

They're Tennoless? Thought they were tenno.

[hazy prism]

there is 0 lore on them, so they could be, but that's making many asumptions

[pale cedar]

Again
No lore

[hollow siren]

The only lore they have is from their initial Operation years and years ago

[raw stone]

From what I remembered reading of them, seems to be they were Tenno outraged at the coup.

[hollow siren]

them being added to Steel Path was much later as a band-aid

[fast dew]

Better off to assume they're tennoless. Folk are already insufferable over named tenno.

[hazy prism]

It's literally Alad V is being hunted by them for meddling in the 2nd Dream
that's all the Acolyte lore

[raw stone]

Was this pre-second dream or post-second dream.

[fast dew]

"Rell is alive" DID WE NOT SEE THAT MF DIE??????

[hollow siren]

Stalker sent them after Alad-V after The Second Dream, so Alad cashed in the favour we owed him to make us protect him from them. That's it

[raw stone]

Rell is dead.

Anyway

[fast dew]

You'd be surprised how many people dont think that.

[raw stone]

Alright so.

[fast dew]

Its a damn plague.

[hollow siren]

the Acolytes themselves never had solid lore

and canonically they have not been seen since that event

[hazy prism]

Acolytes are another mechanic divorced from Lore like the Ruk and Vor boss fight

[hollow siren]

their SP spawns are purely a gameplay feature

[raw stone]

They gotta be tenno if they don't retcon them to be exactly like Stalker from Jade Shadows.

[fast dew]

I mean

[hollow siren]

they could just be Warframes yeah

[fast dew]

No? Theres other warframes that didnt have a tenno

[hazy prism]

tbf, there's nothing from stopping them from being like Umbra, Jade and Stalker

[raw stone]

Except they're not mentioned for being so. I forgot abt Umbra. But like.

[fast dew]

Afaik its not even a special process

[hazy prism]

Inb4 De just makes them a part of Soren's old squad, and they got collective punishment for Soren's deeds

[fast dew]

They just need a really strong motivation

[hollow siren]

I could see them originally being other Low Guardians

[raw stone]

That's like. 6-7 extra people. You could stuff them in a captura squad

[fast dew]

I watched as my random shitty excal moves on his own during the second dream

[tall echo]

You just triggered my fight or flight with that

[fast dew]

Deadass thought this was Roathe

[raw stone]

Side tangent. no one on tennogen ever made a dupe for Stalker's helmet?

[hollow siren]

Tennogens have to be accepted by DE

that wouldn't be a fan design

[fast dew]

I dont think tennogen creators can do that

[tall echo]

Prob never got approved for obvious reasons

[fast dew]

Im still waiting to get Loid's glasses

[raw stone]

Oh the... thing.

[fast dew]

Why did we get Itzam's over Loid's

[raw stone]

Itzam's glasses are on the shop rn.

[fast dew]

I hate it. I hated it.

[hollow siren]

Cool. How is that relevant

[fast dew]

That one sentient had like.

[tall echo]

Hate you say?

[fast dew]

Maybe half an hour screentime

And he gets his oculus

[hazy prism]

You could say you dread it, and feel despair

[tall echo]

Tbh it's much more stylish

[fast dew]

BUT LOID. THE DUDE IN THE LAST 3 UPDATES. DIDNT GET ONE

[raw stone]

The two glasses resemble each other. One has a chain for some reason. Idk

[fast dew]

[tall echo]

Not the reference I was making but sure

[tall echo]

Very different actually

[hollow siren]

The basic free starter glasses resemble Loid's more than Itzam's do

[fast dew]

God.

[hazy prism]

Itzam's is more a pince nez no?

[fast dew]

The autism levels are catastrophic today

[tall echo]

Which one

[fast dew]

Yes.

[hollow siren]

Other game of mine got big trailer today so I am fuelled

[hazy prism]

Wait why does Itzam need glasses even? He's synthetic, can their eye sights deterioate permenatlly that they would need corrective lenses?

[hollow siren]

google glasses type beat

[tall echo]

I'm. Existing. In a space between motivated and tired

[fast dew]

I learned that the most recent doom game's dlc has a spear weapon im giga excited for (could be maykr shit and im so normal over them)

[tall echo]

Motivation=tism for me

[fast dew]

You think the Albrecht autism was bad

You haven't seen what the maykrs do to my heart

[hollow siren]

I gotta wait 12 whole days for the update of aforementioned trailer

[fast dew]

I gotta wait months so I feel you

Hell, a new warframe update might come first

[hollow siren]

Tau 2026 tomorrow

[tall echo]

Silksong tomo- oh wait

.:|:;

[fast dew]

I need to draw loss as loid n Albrecht

[tall echo]

And the nondescript characters?

[hazy prism]

Cavia and Kalymos?

[fast dew]

The cavia.

[hollow siren]

Tagfer receptionist, Bird 3 doctor

[fast dew]

Kalymos explaining to Loid that Albrecht lost the baby 💔

[tall echo]

I'm not sure which two cavia would be funnier

[hazy prism]

Fibonacci in a background shot

[hollow siren]

Fibonacci in the IV bag

[fast dew]

See it has to be Albrecht because its like. The orokin fully could just be able to do that

[hollow siren]

but mpreg Loid is a classic

[fast dew]

Mpreg loid is overdone

[hazy prism]

The fact mpreg has a none zero chance of actually existing is so funny

[fast dew]

Mpreg Albrecht is horrifically possible

[hollow siren]

You're making a Loss comic, you have no right to complain about that

[hollow siren]

See it's even funnier if Albrecht used Orokin tech to make Loid pregnant, him doing it to himself is way too plausible and logical

[fast dew]

I have every right, as a fanfic enjoyer, getting the twink pregnant is over done

Get the fat man pregnant.
Get the masculine fat man pregnant.

[hollow siren]

Have Loid be pregnant just as well in the comic

so they both are

[fast dew]

... maybe im no worse than the people I criticise

[hollow siren]

Albrecht is also a twink mind you

[tall echo]

No

[hazy prism]

we talking Dr E or Blueman Entrati

[fast dew]

No the hell he aint

That man is built like a fridge

[hazy prism]

He got that Rectangular body

[hollow siren]

current Albrecht, not his portrait

[fast dew]

I hate current Albrecht

[tall echo]

Still no

[tall echo]

L take

[fast dew]

And he is a bit too old for a twink

Loid can get away w it bcs orokin skincare™

[tall echo]

Wrin-

[fast dew]

Wrinkletwink!!!!

[hollow siren]

Twink death is another death the Orokin could bypass

[fast dew]

I dont like how he looks like a normal dude! Even the pale eyes should've stayed.

God

[hollow siren]

Kinda agreed, I like his more blue skin in Whispers

[tall echo]

He reminds me of ingo

[fast dew]

Why did they remove his pale eyes

[hollow siren]

in 1999 he's fully normal

[hazy prism]

i mean, he had to fit in somehow in 1999

[pale cedar]

But current Albrecht went to the gym and bluebrecht didn't

[fast dew]

They've made him normal on all cutscenes now.

[hollow siren]

Roathe lost his too :(

[fast dew]

Why are they scared of making orokin... actually orokin

You know the coils/dreads we've seen with all orokin, outside the bald ones? Suddenly, none of the new orokin (the executors specifically) do not have them.

[hazy prism]

Roathe is weird, entrati is probably just cause he had to fit in 1999, perhaps future appearances of Entrati would be more orokin

[hollow siren]

yeah I miss those

[fast dew]

Like why does Niktoh have a random ass bob.

[tall echo]

None do not

[hollow siren]

Shows how evil she truly is

[fast dew]

Even avantus looks like she has straight hair.

[fast dew]

Shh its 5:44am

[tall echo]

7:44pm for me

I'm tired too

[pale cedar]

I just realised if you look at the back of Roathes hair it looks like he has 2 sets of hair

[hazy prism]

yup, it looks like 1 layer is a weave ontop of just his regular hair

it looks like a hairnet with certain hair colours

[hollow siren]

Roathe has extenders confirmed

[fast dew]

Roathe's a brunette.

Like deadass. Whole brunette.

Lotta folk drew him w black hair

But nup. Bro has brown hair

[novel valve]

I just want to take a moment to gush about how much I love Hunhow and how DE handled his story. He was introduced as this intimidating villain, the looming leader of the Sentients, the greatest enemy us Tenno knew back then. But over time, especially in the New War and Jade Shadows, he’s evolved into something I never expected to see, but something I love for him. An unlikely ally, and dare I say, friend, to the Tenno. At his core, Hunhow is a father and a victim of the Orokin, just as much as the Tenno themselves were.

I genuinely hope we continue working alongside him, especially once we finally reach Tau. There’s so much potential for him to expand on Sentient history and maybe even shed more light on Adis. I wish we could interact with him more regularly, but something tells me DE isn’t finished with his story yet.

[woven coyote]

Space grandpa

[novel valve]

Yes

[fast dew]

Racist space grandpa but still

[woven coyote]

He will forever be the old and grumpy granpa How

[wind ruin]

Stalker: "Alright, just waiting here to see what Hunhow wants me to do." Hunhow to Drifter: "Here's a nice bow. Go kill Narmer. Stalker will help you." Stalker: "...wtf." That reaction always amuses.

[frank verge]

Question do Protoframes feel eternal pain?

Because I checked out Uriel's gemini skin, Roathe, and the leg areas are literally just exposed muscle fibers

[pale cedar]

No, they just have Infested Madness issue and this fact

[frank verge]

Oh okay. Thank God

[waxen mesa]

Amir grasped his chest while having a heart attack/panic attack. So they can certainly feel pain. Idk about pain regarding their protoness

[dapper bloom]

why is he hiding his hand

[gentle isle]

Back itchy perhaps

[hollow trench]

Wait
Xaku

Why does he not roll

He’s not insanely heavy like qorvex

[frank verge]

I was talking mostly about the physical body. Because it looks painful. I mean look at Excalibur's back or Uriel's face.

[strange plinth]

they
cooler to dash and have the pieces catch up

[humble sierra]

They let loose their armor and the void skeleton goes whee and then the armor catches up, it looks super cool

Btw Xaku is they/them on account of being a composite being made up of multiple Warframes of different genders.

[strange turtle]

Hmm. Racist grandpa who is red and a farmer…

Redneck Hunhow

[humble sierra]

How many Warframes have unique roll animations?

• Xaku
• Qorvex
• Protea
• Uriel
• Dante
• Gyre
• Wisp
• Hildryn

[pale cedar]

Doesn't Gyre have a unique one?

[silk atlas]

Wisp and Hildryn have them iirc

Gyre definitely.

[proper barn]

Hey he likes his grandchildren now.

[novel valve]

Make Hunhow Great Again

[pale cedar]

To make Hunhow great again also means you're making him terrible again

[novel valve]

I was joking cuz that connection of Hunhow being a redneck made me think of a trump voter

I like Hunhow the way he is

[pale cedar]

Me too

“Great and Terrible Hunhow”

[wind ruin]

He starts telling dad jokes.

Terrible indeed.

[unique talon]

Technically speaking is Roathe the last orokin alive?

[loud oriole]

that we are aware of, i believe so

[wind ruin]

And I hope it stays that way.

[narrow pendant]

if we want to be super finnicky, sevagoth's shadow

[loud oriole]

there's no telling what Albrecht did/going to do.
or if any of the Orokin not present at the Naga Drums hid away after that incident

[wind ruin]

Yes, but I'm sick of it. It's a constant thread in MMOrpgs where they just can't bring themselves to 'let go' of bad guys. WoW is bad. SWTOR is especially bad about this; they resurrected the Emperor three times and Darth Malgus is on his fourth.

Let the Orokin stay in the past. We're busy cleaning up their mess.

[narrow pendant]

now imagine we go to tau and nitokh has been there all this time somehow

[loud oriole]

agreed, Roathe and Entrati (family included) are the only orokin we need to deal with

[wind ruin]

Which is why I'm hoping that they decided not to go the hackneyed, cliched, obviously telegraphed way and Nitokh is actually dead dead dead.

[narrow pendant]

yeah i do not think she or any orokin is alive there

[wind ruin]

Her legacy can survive. Logs, statements, factions... but the executor herself? Dead. Irrevocably.

[loud oriole]

esp since tau basically never got fully terraformed

[quick wadi]

It got tauraformed

[still frigate]

kill all orokin

[narrow pendant]

i just hope we eventually get more lore of the infestation and how its 4+dimension encompassing

[hollow trench]

So essentially the skeleton yearns to be free

[humble sierra]

The Family and Entrati himself

Worm Queen

No doubt some others in the future like maybe Nitokh

[wind ruin]

We have Entrati as the only fully mobile Orokin. Uriel is a protoframe now. The rest of the Entrati family is Infested. The remaining Grineer Queen is stuck in grineer clone bodies.

[pale cedar]

Nihil is in a jar

[loud oriole]

that i like to tap on occasionally

[wind ruin]

Probably can't get out. Certainly won't get out when we eject the thing into the sun.

[hollow trench]

Shake the jar

[humble sierra]

He's as alive as a Cephalon is I think

I wasn't around for the Nightwave itself

But I'm pretty sure we just glass him, non?

[wind ruin]

Come to think of it, he probably is a cephalon in that form.

[narrow pendant]

cephalon without overriding the original person

pretty much

[wind ruin]

Without getting his mind hacked away and mutilated, yes.

[humble sierra]

Cephalon without any of the programmed precepts, because we're not evil

[loud oriole]

i jokingly wanted to glitch mine outside of my orbiter but then realized that i couldn't access it to bother him doing so

[pale cedar]

Don't think he's quite got to the Cephalon change yet just trapped

[glass flume]

is there a special cutscene or dialogue when we get to convince loid to go introduce himself to the family?

[humble sierra]

Yes

[fast dew]

Nothing sinister, if he had a long arm it would be the exposed one

[turbid vigil]

im kinda afraid the day and night cycle of our choices will eventually play a very big role in a future quest

it would be absolutely peak tho dont get me wrong

[brittle siren]

why this convo just not progress at all

[narrow pendant]

how do i activate the cutscene or dialogue? ive finished all triad's convos with all of them agreeing, im guessing its bugged?

[fast dew]

Broken.

Sadly.

[narrow pendant]

dang

just in my case or in general? i havnt been able to find any footage of it

[fast dew]

||https://youtu.be/C5jgr_tehSE?si=SA7iNn50UKIrnNIw||

Roathe is randomly missing his loincloth for some reason, and the camera is buggy

[narrow pendant]

danggg

[fast dew]

You are not missing much.

Oh, and the family have one off lines

[narrow pendant]

so roathe actually guards them in the necralisk like he said he would

[glass flume]

broken as in the cutscene's just buggy or we can't access it just yet?

[fast dew]

Both

[dry oracle]

So the new protoframes can roam around in current time?

And someone give roathe some underwears

[loud oriole]

yes, they interact with the cavia, loid, and lotus via kim chat. the only proto who actually could proper roam is Kaya

[strange plinth]

roathe threatens to walk up the stairs a few times iirc

[dry oracle]

So they can exit La Cathédrale

[proper barn]

They Kim message us with the PC in the sanctum.

So yes.

[dry oracle]

Oh

[loud oriole]

i can just imagine all 3 fighting over who gets to send their messages to Drifter first

[dry oracle]

So do I have to wait another day to ask them for a date?

La Cathédrale was part of hollvania in past?

[loud oriole]

what status are you with all 3? you can risk confessing feelings before 'Close' but won't get the option to ask them out until you hit Close, but still have to get to 'Loved' before you can go on simulacrum dates

also i think La Cathedrale is somewhere else entirely in fictional France

[dry oracle]

At close right now

[loud oriole]

ah yeah, you gotta keep getting red text/chem points until you hit Loved then they'll shoot you an inbox message with their simulacrum date scene

but at close you can start the relationship

[dry oracle]

So I have to go to La Cathédrale and ask?

[humble sierra]

La Cathedrale is in Gaulle, which is Warframe's version of France

[normal mountain]

Pre-France, even

[loud oriole]

should be able to ask them via kim chat, the option will have [Confess Feelings] as the prefix, might have to wait for it to be randomly chosen for that day though

[dry oracle]

I think Marie or lyon mentioned about La Cathédrale being part of hollvania

[potent raft]

since we’re headed for Tau, do y’all think this new storyline will involve Narmer?

[strange plinth]

i hope it will

[spark viper]

I got one question which doesn't make sense to me in the Warframe universe.

Why is there no Dyson sphere?

[stiff beacon]

Nah Gaulle looks like the Frenchified version of ghaul which is what was called pre France during the Roman empire

[loud oriole]

void finger solved all our troubles.
and before that the Orokin were just really smart with technology, until both backfired on them

[spark viper]

Yeah but we wouldn't even be able to reach the void without one.

We need a lot of energy just to go to Jupiter

[strange plinth]

no need for a dyson sphere when you have access to the Infinite Energy Dimension via the void

[strange plinth]

albrecht did his experiments to get into the void on deimos

[loud oriole]

plus the solar rails helped the non-void based interplanetary travel

[strange plinth]

the solar rails are void travel

[spark viper]

Then I got one more question.

How do they acquire void technology without going to the void?

Like before they even reached the void, won't they need to harvest energy from the sun?

[strange plinth]

not at the scale that would require a dyson sphere or something similar

[loud oriole]

well, the finger in your railjack is not the original finger but instead a clone of the original (that is probably long long gone or tucked away in a undisclosed place, probably deimos)

[strange plinth]

only albrecht knows where it is
part of why wally's hunting him down

[loud oriole]

inb4 Albrecht hid it before the beginning of time or something

[spark viper]

I'm just trying to understand how they are able to move from planet to planet and terraforming them before even reaching the void without the power of the sun

Just feel like there is missing gaps to it, that's all

[strange plinth]

i'd assume the terraforming came after the void discovery, though i'd have to look into it to be sure

[spark viper]

Welp best not to think too hard

[loud oriole]

yeah I'd think at most the Orokin traveled to both Venus and Mars, but then Albrecht got a finger and that changed how far humanity could reach in the origin system

[frank condor]

guys, im so confused at this detail

Fibonacci in the survival mission is apparently stealing valuables while you survive, does that mean he is able to escape the glass he is in and survive out of it

not only that, it is said once the cavia held the murmur back

[fast dew]

This is a wonderful question

[frank condor]

so not only is he able to leave his glass, he can fight

[fast dew]

Don't look into it.

Fibonacci can read.

Read paper books.

[strange plinth]

he's siphoning valuables from murmur strongholds
i have No Idea what he's doing to actually achieve this

[frank condor]

so we can assume Fibonacci can use a grimoire which is a fair way to explain how he fights

but it doesnt answer how he manuvers outside his glass

or much less, steal

which leads me to one conclusion

Fibonacci is capable of transferrence

[strange plinth]

especially considering you can see the bubbles of the water in the portrait iirc

[frank condor]

and uses Necramechs to do so

[fast dew]

Fibonacci in a necramech...

[prime grove]

A part of the sacrifice we missed

[fast dew]

You don't even need transference for that. Grandmother did it

[frank condor]

wait she did?

[strange plinth]

honestly i think ballas's presence here doesn't get questioned enough
from an outside pov, why is he visiting a random dax soldier

[fast dew]

Mhm. She was the one who attacked the heart

[frank verge]

BALLAS YOUR DEVIL HAS RETURNED! I BRING THE DESTRUCTION OF THE OROKIN EMPIRE!

• ||Tenno when they piloted Uriel, probably.||